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So, like, if you want to rant about Willow, too, like,
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Thank you. OK, so where we left off last
time is basically we were about to dive into all the scenes that
we just want to scream about. So that's what this episode's
going to be. Us screaming about scenes we
love. Scenes were just like, what the
fuck scenes? All of those scenes.
So, Caitlin, do you want to start us off?
What scene do you want to rant about?
OK, it's not nothing. One scene, but when I was
rewatching it and like really try to focus on every character
I. Realized something.
And it's that Eric. Eric is served better.
He did right off the bat. He there he's portrayed as like
a womanizer and like sleeps with a bunch of different women and
doesn't even know their names, blah blah, blah.
And yes, he is a womanizer, and yes, he can be a little
immature, but I think it's really just like a part he plays
because no, he's not expected to do anything, which is weird.
Right, to be a Prince and not expected to do anything.
It is weird in and of itself, yeah.
And so one of the thing, it really pissed me off.
So he really tried to help when Kit, you know, went off about
having to marry this dude in front of everyone.
Seriously. And Eric comes in when kids
getting yelled at by her mom and he's like, don't worry, I talked
to Graydon, he's going to smooth everything over with the Prince.
It'll be all cut. And his mom just responds and
says, I think you should stick to chasing girls like he's
trying to help you. Oh my God, no.
Like, he proved in that moment that he's the diplomat.
Like, what he just did is what you want in a political figure
because the mob seems to be propping kid up to be like the
next ruler of Tyrazine. But like, Eric just showed in
this moment that he's better equipped to do that because he
literally just played diplomat where he's like, it's OK, I
prevented the war. I, like, calmed everybody down,
like without being asked, Like that's just in his nature to
like kind of do that. So I thought that was a big
character defining thing for him.
But then to have his mom and his sister both be like, fuck you,
Eric, go, go get laid or something, I was like, what the
fuck? Like he just prevented a war.
Like, what are you doing? Yeah, 'cause, like, even if he
tries to have more responsibility, he just gets
knocked down. Like he's not allowed to do
anything else. I know, like, like, it's crazy
that they a, they don't expect anything of him, fine.
But then when he actually comes through, like, in this moment,
they just still put him down, which is so annoying.
And can I talk about, OK, can I talk about the scene leading up
to this, though, 'cause when Kit throws the temper tantrum in
front of the king of the other Kingdom and literally everybody,
the bitch almost threw a knife at him and, like, blinded him.
And then he still helps her and bails her out of the situation
that she just put herself in. And Kit is still being a little
child. And she's like, I didn't ask for
your help. And Eric says no, but you're
going to get it anyway because I'm your brother and I love you
despite your winning personality, which I love.
But like, OK, that's that's who he is.
Like, he's, he's a writer guy, right?
Yes. Yeah.
I mean, that's that's what we've seen, because apparently people
don't think that he actually, like, loves any of the women.
But I think between Kit and Allora, my apparently my phone
auto corrected Eric to irk. Eric was probably not given
enough attention, so he sought this like affection from many
women and found he could use his charm to get it, which gave him
this reputation and was easier for him to play into that then
change the way that people saw him, because obviously they're
always going to see him like that no matter what.
Yeah, no, that's an excellent point because we very clearly
see in the scene we're talking about that like Eric is not
getting any kind of love and appreciation from his family
members despite him being a rider die for them.
So like, yeah, that kind. That makes sense.
I think that makes sense. That's a really good point,
Caitlin. I mean the rest of the show, I
didn't really notice him as much, but.
That's 'cause he was kidnapped and drugged and shit.
He just, yeah, he then he got possessed, I believe so.
Like, yeah, he really went off after that.
No, he didn't. Really get enough screen time to
shine. But in the first episode, like
you get a really good idea of who he actually is.
We just, he gets kidnapped and we don't see him.
Other thing I really love about Eric.
OK, so you mentioned he's like portrayed as a womanizer.
He's also just like himself, which I think is great all the
time. And his wardrobe, it's like he's
slutty Eric, that's just who he is and that's fine.
Not saying that that's not OK What I do love is that when we
get possessed, evil Eric instead of being slutty, he's like super
conservative looking. And so that's what I love.
I love that like Eric, regular Eric's got cleavage constantly
and then when he's evil it's like the complete opposite and
he's like totally covered up in his clothing.
I love that cause usually it's the other way around, cause the
evil is portrayed as like, oh they're loose morals and like
seductresses or whatever. But like with Eric, it's the
total opposite, which I fucking love about him.
And he wasn't even allowed to have his long hair anymore,
like. Right, exactly.
They cut his hair like he he looks like, really like a
conservative man. And it's very funny that that's
like 180 Eric versus like regular Eric is just like free
love and that kind of person. So I I I love him as a
character. I wish you got more.
Yes, sorry. I am still getting over my cold
so I apologize if I cough and or I'm eating cough drops during
this. We can do it.
We can and we will. OK.
So Speaking of like, Eric, to go off that train, something I want
to talk about is how, like the ships are handled in this show,
particularly comparing like in the beginning.
Like, really, we'll start the first episode, first episode we
have Elora and Eric, and then we have like, compare that to like
Kit and Jade. OK.
Just like, let's talk about how this goes down, because this is
a problem I have with like media in general.
Because the straights are just like making out everywhere in
the show. And like Laura and Eric go from
like making out in a field to engaged by the end of the first
episode to by the end. They're like, well, maybe we
don't actually know each other, which all of that is valid.
But like they get all the screen time where they're allowed to
like make out and stuff. And meanwhile, Kit and Jade have
like the slowest slow burn ever. Slow burn where they like don't
even realize they like each other after they kiss, which is
a whole another branch. But like, I don't like that.
I don't like the way, like the gays and the straights don't get
equal. Like making out.
Like if you're gonna have characters making out on screen,
like make it equal. Why is it just like the straight
people get to do that and then like the gay people, like they
get two kisses and that's the end?
It wasn't what they do. They had a weird kiss.
We will. That is what we're gonna get
into next. But like, OK, I just don't like
the unequalness of it all. I mean, that's very fair.
It's a fair. It's fair.
But like, OK to be fair with with Kit and Jade, it's more of
a like they have a foundational relationship.
They communicate a bit more versus like Laura and Eric are
all over each other in the first episode.
Then they don't really talk obviously because Eric is
kidnapped. And then at the end, Laura's
like, I don't even know that I really like you.
So like, I like that we get there with them and it's like
hormones. Maybe when the hormones shut
off, a Laura could use her brain cause like girl can't think what
she got hormones. Let's be real.
But I mean, she does later on say because he was nice to her
and that poor girl just doesn't know anyone to be nice to her.
I mean, didn't you not just say that about Eric too?
So they have that in common. You know they weren't hugged
enough as children for love, waiting for love.
But Speaking of love, I think one of the biggest things we're
we need to rant about is kitten Jade's relationship period.
So before we get to the kiss in the first episode, because that
OK before we get there I I have a hard time understanding what
their relationship is like in the beginning and like why we
are where if we are because. There's.
OK, so I'm just like there's issues here I have with this
relationship. This is not Kit and Jade hate
podcast or anything like that at all.
I just have questions about their relationship because the
pacing of it in the show is is weird and I just don't
understand. So I'm trying to figure out
like, OK, why we've already, I've already established Jade is
perfect, so why is Jade into Kit trying to figure out.
So I think that one of the things that Jade is attracted to
and the reason that like she's likes Kit so much is that Kit
has confidence. And confidence is very
attractive. And from what we know about
Jade, it seems like she's just been a very lost person most of
her life because she's basically transplanted into Tyra's lane.
She's not from there she's orphaned and so like doesn't
have anything right and so and then to get like a sign to Kit
to like basically be her like sword and play friend and then
he just side. Just like here, this is your
person, You. Froze on me and I missed what
you said. I just said to like it was not
anything important. I just said it's.
All important it's. Funny, I'm just picturing her
like here, this is your person, but like.
OK, that's a whole. Another thing I have with them
is the fact that there's a power imbalance here, which I'll get,
I'll talk about next, but I just want to finish this thought.
So, like, then she meets Kit, right?
Who has all this confidence, right?
Because Kit is literally in charge of the country.
Like she owns the place. She literally owns the place.
And so I feel like that was like an alluring quality to Jade.
So I think that's what kind of draws her into Kit is that Kit
has all this confidence. Kit seems to know her place in
the world and Jade doesn't. So it's kind of one of those
like opposites attract kind of thing I think for Jade.
But the problem with this is that Kit's confidence is
unearned confidence because she's a literal Princess that
lives in a castle and the Kingdom revolves around her.
So like she literally has everything and not nothing to
like worry about. She has free reign to do
whatever she wants. She's well protected and she
doesn't really know what hardships are and so kind of
can't relate to Jade. The biggest hardship she has is
her dad left to go on a quest that her mom sent him on, but
she thinks that he abandoned her so she has daddy issues.
So, like, that's her biggest thing and.
What? Her dad's job.
No. Oh my God, nobody understands
jobs in this. World.
It's like, yes, he chose the Laura over her and.
I'm like, that whole thing was so stupid because we find out
her mom sent him on the quest. It's like mom sent him.
It's like you need to go get this thing and he just never
came back from getting the thing as one does and like your mom
said them dude like what are you forget about?
But to be fair, that's how she perceived things growing up, and
no one recognized it enough to be able to sit her down and be
like here, this is what's actually going on.
Oh my God, I don't. Care if that's not actually
what's happening. That is what her little brain
perceived and what she grew up thinking.
Totally nobody. Communicates in this family,
their family needs therapy, I said at the first episode, the
tantalosis or whatever, they need therapy because they don't
talk. Like, just talk.
You know what, Eric? Is working on breaking that
cycle because he's and Laura had very good communication.
Yes, Eric is breaking generational curses.
That's who he is. Oh man, that's really good.
I agree. OK, so back to Kit in the
beginning. Kit I don't think can really
relate to Jade on a cellular level because Jade, she can't
understand what Jade's been through like you just she just
can't and she doesn't seem like she is super aware of all that
stuff. Maybe not.
So to me, Kit is this meme slash quote from Tina Fey that I love
more than anything, which is confidence is 10% hard work and
90% delusion. That's Kit in the beginning.
Like that is just who Kit is. OK, accurate, OK, real quick
thing I want to shove in here before I get into like my next
point. Can we talk about the job thing?
Because I think that's so important.
Like Kit doesn't understand her dad was like, not the king.
He was a knight and her mom is in charge.
And so if mom is like, hey, technically dad's her employee
and she could be like, yo, I need you to go get this
treasure, go get it like she's the queen, like that's her job.
So you can't get mad at your dad for going on a quest.
He was ordered to go on like that's his job.
OK, So when they get married though don't let the other
person become like the like, does that.
So OK, so say OK, I need I don't understand royalty so at all.
So say this we're have a new Kingdom.
OK, this woman becomes queen when she gets married to let's
say she's straight and she gets married to a man.
Would he become king as well? Or is it just a queen and like
there's there can only be a 1 queen or a king, not both?
So, like, I think it kind of depends on like, what the rules
of that particular Kingdom are. I'm gonna go off of England in
real life because we had that happen, right?
Where previously we had Queen Elizabeth, who was married to
Prince Philip, but he was never elevated to king.
He was just Prince Philip always, because she's the one
who inherited the Kingdom and like she's the one, like her
father was the king, blah, blah, blah going back or whatever.
So he was never elevated to king status.
She was the one in charge. He was like Prince Consort or
whatever, like meaning like he's married to her but she ranked
above him so in tears lean. It seems like that's kind of the
situation here where like Queen Soria is the one in charge.
Nobody refers to Kit's dad as King Mad Mardigan.
They just call him Mad Mardigan. Which makes me think that he was
still like he's like the Queen's consort where he's like you
know, the husband, but he's not the king.
He's not the ruler like she was the ruler.
There is no confirmation of this that is not talked about.
I don't know that it's in the movie, so we did not watch it.
But that's my vibe from, like, the way people talk about him,
like, 'cause why would you send the king on a quest?
That's insane. If he's in charge of, like, the
country behind the protective barrier, you wouldn't want him
to leave 'cause like he's in charge.
There's no way they were putting that crazy man in.
Hard to like the Kingdom, too, you see.
It's mad Marnigan. Come on now.
Why didn't she send someone else?
Because I think this all has to do with Olura Dannon.
And that's like the big coveted secret.
And so she had to send somebody she trusted.
And like, who do you trust more than like your consort I guess.
And he was there. He he, I think he's he is also
somebody who knows about all the Laura, Dan and stuff that she's
hiding in the castle. So like, I think that's why he
had to go. She has no problem setting her
own family on to dangerous missions.
I mean she's ready a kit. You have to go.
You have to be, Oh my God, I love when she sends kit.
She's like, fuck it, whatever. It's basically mom's vibe and
Kit's like was gonna ready to fight her over this and she's
like, fuck it. Just go get out of my.
She's like, this girl needs to grow.
Up Get out of here. Figure out life.
She needs a journey. Like, have your day awakening.
I don't care. Just get out of here.
Oh my gosh. Oh my God.
But OK, so back-to-back to not understanding jobs.
One problem I have with Kit and Jade in general is that there is
an inherent power, power imbalance with the two of them.
Because Kit is the Princess. So like in this government
structure, Kit is like second in line to rule everything.
And in a monarchy, the ruler literally rules over everybody
in the Kingdom. That is not all that is not a
royal member on their level or above anybody else.
Like they rule over you like they are your employer in this
scenario. So how do Jade and Kit meet
Mamas Mamatantalos? The person in charge of everyone
assigns. Kit assigns Jade and is like,
OK, little employee, go play with my daughter.
Like she gets assigned because Jade is not if Jade was like
royalty, like she actually is and they're they're playing,
it's different, They're on equal footing.
They are not on equal footing. At the beginning, Jade is an
employee of the Crown and gets assigned to the little Crown to
make sure it's a little. Crown, I'm sorry.
Every word kind of out of your mouth is hilarious to me right
now. Good.
I'll keep this crazy train and rolling.
Just go with me on this, OK? Come on the journey.
OK. So that's where we're at.
And then it's like, OK then, so then when they kissed like and
it's Kit initiating stuff, that's weird because it's like
your employer is like like what is Jade supposed to do in that
scenario? Like it's your employer and this
like this they should go to HR for that is what I'm saying.
Like if there was HR in a monarchy, which there is that
because it's not how that works, but there's nobody understands.
And then when Kit later is like, wow, you were assigned as a
girl. What did you think?
Like, of course she was assigned.
She's an orphaned peasant. Like, come on now.
But also like, how did you find her?
Like, did you didn't go to school, right?
Did Mom? You just made friends.
Right. Like, did Mom set that up?
And Kent was like, oh look a like, how did that, like
obviously Sword had to be like, here's Jade go play with swords.
Like how else did that happen. It was there a meet cute where
source was like, no, no, no Kit. Well if Kit knows I set you,
she'll be pissed because it's Kit.
So we have to make a fake scenario where you like, run
into each other and then or like, hey, you have a sword.
I have a sword. Let's play with swords.
No. Like Mom assigned her to play.
This sounds like it could be a Lifetime or Hallmark movie.
For real? No, right.
Right. Mom's mom set up a Lifetime
movie so that they would meet, but she set them up because she
ordered Jane to be your friend. The fact that Kit was bewildered
by that is wild to me, because I'm like you live in a monarchy.
How is this? How is this surprising?
And Jade is training to beat. Well, she's not in the
beginning. I think she's just like, I'm
good at this. And then Valentine notices she's
good at this and like, he kind of like low key adopts her
unofficially. And I figured that he was just
her dad. But in the beginning, I think
Jade mentions like, basically her mom gave her stable duty
where she like, well, you can stay in the stable and like and
sleep there, which she's still sleeping there in the beginning,
like when they have their kiss and like Jade pair any of her
back story. Well, when Jade, when Kit comes
in there, like you hear horses and like, you see she's in a
stable, so she's still there. And so she got a job mucking
stables, basically. So she wasn't training to be a
knight in the beginning. She was just like Sorcerer was
trying to keep her close to the castle because she's a political
hostage basically. Which we find out.
Later, yes. So she's still doing that.
And then like, she became friends with Kit.
They started sword fighting. And I think that's when, like,
the head, because the head of the guard is not going to let
some rando be alone with the Princess.
He probably was watching them and noticed that Jade was good
and was like, hey, let me like hone these skills with the both
of you. And I think Jade probably just
picked it up faster and that's when he like really invested in
her and that's how she got on this track.
I have a theory. Oh.
What is it? So Jade is in there brushing the
horses, taking care of everything and sources like
telling. Kit is getting so fed up with
like kits running around and like.
I'm assuming that they're like mid children at this. .0 Yeah
yeah like 8. Yeah, and Kit is just pissing
her off and annoying her so much that she's like, go play with
your freaking horses. I got you a pony for a reason.
Go on a ride. Wanna wait?
Get. Out of my eyesight, so Kit is
just like lollygagging all to and like swinging her arms and
goes to the stables and then she sees this beautiful woman who's
a. Perfect child.
What a woman. I don't know how to describe
this because they're all kind of.
Weird. And she sees her and she's like,
what is this? What are you?
And like kids like trying to be like all royal and be like I am
important trying to impress her I guess.
And Jade at first is like timid, but then kit like brings her out
of her shell a little bit. And then eventually Jade starts
like showing Kit around and like how to do things, but like,
Kit's really sucky at all of it because you know, she doesn't
know any responsibility whatsoever.
And then Jade is like, well, Kit was like, let's be friends.
We're friends now. Yeah, we're.
Not, it's not. Let's be it's We're friends now.
We're friends now and so then Kit never went away and Jade was
forced with this new little friend and it was happily ever
after. I guess that's as far as my.
Brain got when you were. That's an amazing cleat.
That was like cleat cute Cleat. It's an amazing cleat, cute,
coming soon to a podcast near you.
Actually, it comes out first. It doesn't matter.
We'll come out way first. All right.
No, that was amazing. I yeah, I I think that tracks.
It's something like that. And the mom's like, thank God,
Thanks out for Jade. OK, so going on their
relationship journey with Kit and Jade.
So in the first episode after Kit gets back from training with
Jade, she has this conversation with her mom where Sorcia is
scolding Kit and Eric for advocating their
responsibilities. This is before the one we were
talking about earlier where like Kit throws the fit.
It's just like in the beginning where they come home and like,
Eric's like, I wasn't making out with women in fields and mom's
like. She's like, get a bath both of.
You, I laid out. There's like grass in your mane
of hair. Get out of here.
So yeah, So she's scolding them. She's like, neither of you take
your responsibilities seriously and something that I thought
that was important to note in this conversation is whereas
Sorcha tells Kit her gown is waiting for her in her room for
the ball that's about to happen and kit's like you're picking
out my clothes. One of my 6 and mom says, well,
I shouldn't have to. But when you neglect your
responsibilities for your hobbies, you give me no choice.
And this line, along with Kit and Jade's conversation about
always wanting to go in very far adventures, leads me to believe
that Kit is not the type of person to honor duty for duty's
sake the way Jade does. Because Jade is somebody who
takes responsibilities incredibly seriously.
So it's like another way that they're super, super, super
different, you know? And I wonder if like Kit maybe
on some level kind of admires that about Jade, and Jade
potentially admires like Kit's free spirit a little bit, but.
Do you think Kit's thinking about anything about how Jade
actually is, though? 'Cause I don't.
Think he knows her? I don't think she does.
I don't get that vibe, truly. I think Jade has like just
conformed, like when she's with her too Kit.
So Kit's basically in love with herself, and Jade's there, and
because she's there and she has, like there's no one else around
her. Yeah.
So I I don't that's the that's the thing I'm having a hard time
and you are too with understanding what their
relationship is because it seems very very one sided.
And I wonder if like it's it's an association thing because
like mom said just like Kit you drop everything through your
hobby and her hobby seems to be hanging out with jade and like
sword fighting. So if I wonder if it's like a
that's what Kit likes because Jade is an escape from the duty
of the crown that Kit does not want because she doesn't want
duties or responsibilities really are the ones that are
being like handed to her by birth.
But I wonder if like Jade is the escape, Jade is the adventure
and like that's what Kit is into.
Like I said, Jade is perfect, so I understand why she likes her,
but like Jade is. Can you tell who the aura?
Likes I love Jade, but like I just, I'm having trouble seeing
things from Kit's point of view. Cause Kit's point of view is
very like egotistical like you're saying, and it's a it's a
product of who she is because she's a fucking Princess.
And like so of course she's going to be egotistical and very
self-centered in her viewpoint because she's raised to be that
way. Like that's why monarchies are
so fucked up and they're not efficient forms of government
because you get egotistical maniacs because of how they're
raised in this government hierarchy.
So like, I get that, but I'm I'm having a hard time seeing the
relationship. Point out that obviously we will
never know what's going on through kids head because we
will never. Be Royals totally totally
understand Jade more so I think that like helps us, yes.
But also like this show doesn't show me is my problem.
It doesn't really show me why Kit likes Jade in the beginning.
It really doesn't. I can like I see it from Jade a
lot more in the show. I'm having a hard time
understanding Kit's point of view here.
It's very hard because. Jay's really not her own person
until we get to Wildwood. But even the dial true.
But the even the dialogue from Jade makes it very clear that
Jade knows Kit extremely well. Because she says things like
when Kate kept running away and Jade's like, this is what you
always do like she like I already know what you're gonna
do before you do it, 'cause I just know you so well.
There's a lot of dialogue like that, but I don't get it from
Kit. So I that's why I'm having a
hard time understanding like the Kit point of view here.
It's not about like not. I can put myself in her position
as like a monarch and I I understand based on how this
works, like why she's more self-centered.
But like I don't understand why she likes Jade like truly on a
cellular level because it's not explained in the show and she
doesn't really express it. It's not in her dialogue.
So, like, it doesn't come through.
Yeah. And and we don't get extra
seasons and we don't get the prequel that I want.
That explains this. So I struggle with it.
That's. Someone sends us a fan fiction
that will help us make sense of it.
All yes please do I just I from kids point of view would be
really good Jade I get and if you want to.
Write the stable thing. Send it to us.
Yeah, OK. Still waiting.
Did you want? So did you say this part?
Yeah. I know I'm going to OK, so when
I was watching it, OK, so Jade was always in Kit's world in
Teresley, meaning she was catering towards kit and always
making sure that kit was the priority.
But once they actually leave it and on they go on this quest,
this is when Jade steps up. Because now like, she knows,
like, I didn't know that she wasn't training.
I thought she was just training with someone else, like with
like a different type of people. And like then she got like
promoted kind of to train with someone else anyway.
So she like, knows that she wants to be at night.
And so she is like taking her role, her responsibility
seriously, something like that. Yeah, definitely words,
whatever. You got it.
So when they went on the journey, that was Jade's world
and now Kit is finally able to see Jade cause like as we said
she she doesn't know Jade because Jade hid who she was
when she was with Kit because she even let Kit win all the
time. Yeah.
So Kit wouldn't. I guarantee Jade probably won
like the first time, and then Kit like threw this biggest
temper tantrum because there were eight.
And I mean, she'd still do it now, but anyway.
And Jade's like, well, don't want to deal with that again.
Well. Because Jade, like I can't get
fired. Like, again.
She's your employee. Like, don't forget that.
But. And when Kit was still acting
like she was in tears, I mean, like she literally went around
telling everybody who she was as if it got out there.
It just. Won't make you get killed at
this point, so Jade had to finally put her foot down and
stop treating Kit like the Princess because, you know, she
was one there and she's out here in the real world.
It means nothing. And I'm just.
I'm proud of Jade for actually doing that because Kit needed
it. Yeah, no, for real.
Like, she really, really did. Because it's ironic, though,
because Kit does not take that well when it happens.
But like, the ironic part is, like, that's what Kit says she
wants. Like she tells Mom, she's like,
no, I don't want the crown. Like, I want to go on adventures
and like, OK, but going on adventures means giving up the
privilege that comes with the crown.
And so, like when it comes to that point and Jade's the one
who's like, you need to shirk off the privilege because we're
in the fucking woods now and we could die at any moment.
Like, for real, you need to stop it.
Kit does not handle that well. So like, what does Kit want?
It's growing pains. I know it is, but.
So she's touchable out there and.
Exactly. Well, it's like she's learning
to walk for the first time, you know, in the real world.
It's literally what's happening. And I'm glad that Jane's like,
I'm just going to push you. Walk.
And be fair, Kit does like she does.
Thanks for a minute, but she gets there.
Something else that pissed me off a lot is Kit's reaction to
Jade's news about becoming a knight in training.
I mean, that was annoying in every sense.
OK, so let's go, Let's get into this.
OK, so this happens at the ball in the first episode, a lot
happens at the first episode, and then like weird, nothing
happens with them. So the first episode, Jade the
whole time is really struggling to tell Kit because she got this
big amazing opportunity first. She's been she's a marvel.
She's that's amazing. And then like is having a hard
time telling Kit about it. And she's the first woman ever
to get accepted until basically night college.
And she confides to her mentor at the beginning of the ball and
Valentine's like, listen, if she's your friend, like you say
she is, she'll be happy for you and Jade responds, Kit will
think I'm abandoning her. I hate that.
That's Jade's response because again, she knows Kit so well.
She's like, no, Kit's not going to be happy for me.
Kit's going to make my news about her, which that's why I
have a really hard time understanding their relationship
from Kit's point of view because of things like this, that Jade
says. So time passes.
They start dancing in the middle of the ball because.
Apparently that's OK. That's normal.
No one sees anything. Like, they could be more.
I mean, yeah, I get friends can dance together, but like, I have
a hard time believing that No one.
They're they spend the whole time staring at each other like
OK. I mean, you would think that she
would try to dance with the person that she's going to be
marrying the second, the day after this.
You have to understand please. Sorcha would force her to do it.
Correct. I would imagine Sorcha and I
would think there's some kind of like ceremony rule where like
they, those two dance together. Who knows, maybe this is like
we've passed that and we just didn't see it, which is fine.
So anyway, Kate and Jade are dancing like the pet gal pals
they are and Kitt's like talking about the marriage and she's
like, listen, this sucks, but I'm cool with this marriage
thing as long as it means that you and me, Jade can still go on
our adventures and like keeps sword fighting and basically
basically keeps saying like I'll take the man.
Because politically I have to. As long as nothing changes with
us because that means more to me than the crown.
As we've established, Kitten wants to be in fantasyland and
poor Jade like is like, well about that and can like barely
look her in the eye when she tells her the truth.
That like, hey, I won't be here. I'm leaving tomorrow to go to
night school, so that's changing.
Because it's a huge night night school.
I'm being drafted into the knighthood so and it's a big
deal because like Jade is not royalty in this scenario.
You can't advance career wise in a monarchy unless somebody like
Knights you or like gives you a title.
So basically she's getting life advancement.
She's like, I have to take this, 'cause I am mucking stables and
I don't want to do that forever. So Kit, who was like not, was
not happy about the arranged marriage thing.
I mean, to be fair, who would be?
Who would be? Yeah, exactly.
Like who would be? But she's like chill about it
until Jane tells her this and then she wants to flip tables
everywhere because Jane just got an amazing career opportunity
and Kit doesn't know how to handle it.
And this is when she. Know how to handle much.
No, but like this is when she throws the temper tantrum and
almost blinds her brother for fun.
And we've already went through Eric's point of view on this,
which this was super fucked up. But her reaction is insane to
like Jade having good news and sucks because she proved Jade
right and it proves that like Jade really does know Kit really
well and Kit does not know Jade because.
She makes it all about her when it's like Jade has amazing news
that's like historic and all this kind of cool stuff.
Like yeah, it's like it's upsetting to be Kit in this
scenario to like lose your quote best friend.
But like, this is an insanely amazing opportunity for Jade.
Like why she just immediately makes it about her.
I mean, yeah, Kit's reaction pisses me off so much.
So much like you can't just be happy for your friend who OK.
I thought she worked her whole life for this.
But you know what? She sparred with you for her
whole life for this. And she's literally the only
female who has gotten this. Like, she is huge serious.
She is changing things and I just don't think that Kit
realizes how lucky she is to have someone like Jade in her
life. No, I don't.
I do. That it started as a requirement
for Jade. I mean, maybe I still think like
they can't became friends somehow.
Yeah, I agree. Jade like it later.
Jade, like Jade, is choosing to be there for her now.
Yeah, Kit's not giving her that same.
No, no. Jade steps up constantly for
Kit, and that's why I think that, like and Kit doesn't.
And that's why I think, like, maybe we are supposed to see
this because Kit really needs to figure her shit out when it
comes to relationships in general, 'cause she throws Erica
under the bus, like that kind of stuff.
I'm not gonna get into it, but like she is able to see how
other people feel and we'll get that into Part 3.
But that's why things are confusing for me in my head in
relationships continue. Yeah but I think that the truth
Plum again for Kit. For me for kit there's pre truth
plums and there's post truth plums.
Kit. The truth Plum is her big like
all or nothing character change when she pivots.
Cause during that scene she has a a conversation with a Laura
where a Laura basically tells her gives her advice about Jade.
She's like, you basically need to like show her is basically
what she says in that conversation because Kate does
not show Jade that she cares. I mean sure she's throwing a
temper tantrum because Jade's leaving because she's upset
Jade's leaving and that indicates she cares about Jade,
but she's making it about her and not about Jade and being
like I'm going to miss you and shit like that.
It's. I'm going to go blind Eric.
It's like, you know, what the fuck?
So let me like, try and maim my brother who I also care about.
So Kit does a very weird way, an unhealthy way of showing she
cares about people is what I'm saying.
And I agree with you in the fact that she doesn't at this point
understand how lucky she is to have Jade.
Because despite Jade basically explaining to Kit why she wants
to go, later when Kit is sneaking out on the palace, she
has the audacity to ask Jade if she wants to come with her when
she's leaving. And it's like Jade is like,
girl, what the fuck. I just explained to you how
much, how much this means to me. Getting this opportunity to be a
night and you're gonna like you want to run away and throw it
all away for me. And just Kit is so oblivious to
what Jade wants and Jade's needs in the beginning.
And it just it's infuriating. And for me in the beginning, it
seems like a controlling, abusive relationship in the
beginning because it's very much what Kit wants, not really
taking into account what Jade wants and what Jade needs and
like. That's why I struggle with their
relationship at the beginning. I struggle with it the whole
time. Sorry.
It's OK. It's OK.
And in that scene also Jade like hits the point home where she
basically says if you were my friend, you wouldn't ask me to
choose you over this. Like yes.
I've got no words. I know I say all the words.
It's OK. I have a lot of thoughts about
them in the beginning, 'cause it's just it doesn't make sense
to me. And then we get to the thing
that really doesn't make sense, which is their first kiss.
Mm hmm. OK.
What the fuck was this? Like what the fuck was this kiss
I. Will let let me explain.
What happened? Set the scene.
Do it. OK, so Jade is sleeping
peacefully, dreaming of becoming a knight and get actually being
there to support her when she gets knighted because only in
her dreams, right? And then so Kit sneaks in with a
hood on, naturally of course, and doesn't wake her up.
She like jumps on her and springs her hand over Jade's
mouth and pins her arms down. Like, I'm sorry, but if someone
did that to me when I was dead asleep.
I don't think I. Would react well either I feel
panic you would feel and the anxiety like it's not fun to be
jump scared awake to be. Strangle awake like she's
suffocating her a little bit. Oh my God, awesome.
Good. They need to teach you in night
college that if somebody does this, she'll, like kill them
immediately. Like her reflexes are not there.
We're. Being like throw them off and
like get up and be prepared. Anyway, Oh my God.
And then, OK, so here's the scene.
So we have Kit straddling Jade, who's like just woken up for a
dream and it's like, what the fuck is happening?
Kit goes on and on and explains her Master plan that she's like,
yeah, I don't want the crown, I'm just gonna whatever I need,
it's past the barrier. It's an adventure.
I need to get the fuck out of here.
So I'm leaving. Cool And then kisses Jade.
I'm like, the problem I have with this is not that we have
women kissing in the first episode of a Disney show.
That's incredible. I don't understand why they're
kissing because if you look at their faces like before or like
after this happens, kids all smiles and Jade's face is like
what the fuck just happened? So like.
Was this their first kiss? I I was trying to figure out if
it was their first kiss because, like, it makes no sense.
Like, Kit looks like she's done this all her life and Jay looks
terrified and like, what the heck just happened?
I did read that I believe. Ruby Cruz, please.
Yeah. That's Kit.
OK, so she said that it was their first kiss and I don't.
I don't get it. Oh, got it.
OK And then then it never happens.
But that we won't get we'll. Get.
Yes. OK, that's the other weird part.
OK, yeah, but let's in the moment.
OK. Jade reacts appropriately to
this was the first kiss and it was spontaneous.
Kit does not react that way. Kit reacts like, I've been
kissing you since we're eight years old, so it's very weird
that their reactions are so different.
So again, it gives me like, my employer kissed me.
What do I do? Vibes.
That's what I get from Jay. Because like, I stopped saying
employer. And that's what's happening
here. And it's weird.
So it's weird on the surface. And then their reactions are
opposite, which makes it weird again and again.
From Kit's point of view, what does she think is happening?
Does she think they're like romantic friends?
Like, it's just, it's just it, right?
It's like, this doesn't seem consensual.
Like it's just weird. And then to add on to what you
were saying, then the two of them act like this kiss never
happened because later in the woods, Jade confesses she loves
Kit and she's like, I'm gonna kiss you in 10 seconds, unless
you don't want that. I'm like, it's like they forgot
this happened. And so, like, did the writers
add the kiss later? Like, was this kiss.
They were just like, they already started filming and then
they're like, fuck. And then they went back and put
this in there, 'cause that's what it kind of feels.
It feels out of place to me. Maybe it's to signify how out of
place Jade feels in the Kingdom. Yeah.
It's just it's just weird. It's.
Weird that it happened. It's weird that their reactions
are polar opposite and then they forget it happened.
So the whole thing is just very weird.
Like I almost wish they didn't kiss here and it was just in
episode 5 like after Kit does the truth bombs and has her
revelation. But like this was very weird and
I can't get over it. Like Jade was just trying to
sleep. Caitlin, she was just trying to
sleep. Like was Kit drunk from the
party. I just don't understand her
motivation here. At least Jade later is like I'm
asking for consent. The whole thing is like it's
just the fact that they forget about this and don't acknowledge
it is the confusing part. Yes, no, exactly.
Exactly. That is the most confusing part
is they forget about it like I just I don't understand like if
they have amnesia. About the like, it's never, it's
not. No, Never.
Do they even say, like, are you gonna talk about it?
No, they never talk about this or hint that they need to talk
about this. They just keep doing the weird
like like Jade does, like the longing glances stuff.
They never have a conversation or a conversation that they need
to have a conversation it. That's why it feels like this
got written the show later, because it's just everyone they
forget. It's very weird.
It's weird. It's weird and it's weird that
Kit does this, does not ask for consent, but later Jade does.
It's just weird. I can't with this.
Someone explain it to us. Someone explain this to me,
'cause it feels it feels like they wrote this in later.
Anyway, during this really confusing scene mentions her
motivations for running away so that she can seek what she
wants, which is she believes again out there beyond the
barrier, Caitlin. Beyond the sea.
So yeah, so to like think about this a little bit from Kit's
point of view, I get the sense that maybe Kit is very lost in
her own way, like despite being in the castle protected,
literally living in a magical bubble.
I think that she's very lost and feels trapped in her role as
Princess. Like she basically got into the
shouting match with her mom in like the prior scene, but just
about this. So to me, she's the type of
character that has to run from something to be found.
A little bit. Because she does find her way on
the quest right when she's out of the bubble.
So maybe Kit really doesn't know who she is at this point in the
story also, and that's what she's seeking by running from
the crown, I guess. I never really understood Kit.
She's a complicated being in that brain of hers.
She is. I'm just trying to Seth out Kit
a little bit. That's what I got.
Thank you. You're welcome.
Appreciate your work. All right, back to Jane.
Yes, because Jade Jade goes through it in this series.
She Sure. Does.
That's why Jade, I think Jade's the best character because her
storyline is just fascinating. I do like Jade, I think.
I think Alora goes through some shit too, because, you know,
she's just thrusted into this world.
But anyway, we're on Jade right now.
Yes, we are. So we mentioned that Valentine
is basically Jade's dad at this point.
Yeah, he's her. He's her like, adopted dad,
basically. Yeah, or at least mentor person.
She's her father figure because she has a father that becomes
important. But, like, he's the father
figure she grew up with. Basically, Yeah.
Because this poor girl, I don't know what age was she taken?
Oh God, I think she was like 4 or something.
I can't remember. It might be in the notes later,
but she was a child, not a teenager.
A child. Hold on.
You remember that math we had to do in the reaction video?
It was like 200 million since she was taken.
But and it was that's 16 point something years.
Yeah. So.
She's 4 because she was like between.
But she had to have been like, able to talk because she would,
like, count the stars. But also like she was, she's in
the I think 4 because she was that age where she could form
memories but not really good ones because she doesn't really
remember what happened when they got to like the Tiraz lean
border. And like she doesn't remember
her mom being like why her mom was killed.
She doesn't remember about the dad.
So like, she knew enough to know stuff but couldn't really form
memories, which is like 4 to three to five years old, is kind
of when humans start forming memories.
So I would assume she's around that age, 'cause she remembers
she doesn't remember her sister, she doesn't remember a lot of
that stuff, so she's too young at that point.
So I think like three to four, 4:00 to 5:00 somewhere in that
age range. Sounds good?
OK, so while the other people are on this quest, Sorcia
figures out that Elora tagged along without anyone else
knowing. Because that that that tracks.
That tracks. And she's like, bounce, hide.
You got to go find her. This girl's really important to
me. Why?
Why is this random cook oh heat faker?
Girl, he tries to ask and she's like, that's above your pay
grade, bitch, Go get her. I because I'm your employer and
I'm telling you to go do this. And he's like, all right,
whatever, I'm a knight. I'm going to do what you say.
But when they had that whole thing when Eric was taken, the
Gale, whatever the dude is who's part of the gales, I can't
remember. It doesn't matter.
One of the gales. The lick, The Leech, The lick
what? The screw, it doesn't matter.
Scourge. Scourge.
I think that is that Scrooge. Makes the makes poison staff
poison Valentine. Yes, Valentine got the thingy
with the thingy and then in the Thingy.
OK, and so now he's possessed. But.
Basically, he gets this like poison, and like you keep seeing
like Black running through his veins to indicate that he's got
the Gale poison. And so he yeah, that's the
possession that happens. And he conveniently gets sent on
a quest to get a Laura as a possessed person.
So that's fun. Yeah.
So Valentine is like doing that with his guard, like 3 guys or
whatever and they end up meeting up with the fellowship in the
woods when they get to like I guess I I don't know, I forgot
they already have Willow at this point and they're just aren't on
their way. Sorry, my dog was making.
Noise. No, they didn't make it to
Nakamar yet. No, I don't think so.
It's like one of their travel points and oh, Laura is trying
to get the Mulberry Bush or whatever to grow and she gets
frustrated and then I forgot what it is.
And then Hackleberry or whatever, and she gets abducted
by Valentine, basically. And Valentine literally has the
bitch knocked out tied to a horse, and Jade finds him and is
like what she doing. And so I think it's really sad
for Jade because she's in this position where she's like
trusted by the Queen as any night would be, source's words.
And then she gets into the scenario where her mentor is
acting shady as fuck. And I think it's a real
testament to Jade's character that in this moment she trusts
her instincts more than just the fact that, OK, well he's my boss
and like, he's my mentor and I owe him everything.
And if he says this is OK, then it must be OK.
She really stands her ground and she's like, no, this is wrong
and you're acting weird. And that takes a lot of courage,
like because Jade's body language, the way she talks,
she's clearly, like very uncomfortable in the scenario
because it's an uncomfortable scenario.
And she like, again, easily could have just turned a blind
eye to this. Or like, believe when he, when
he tells her, oh, I'm the queen asked me to get Ellora because
that's technically true. The queen did ask that.
But the way he's behaving, like Jade knows something's off.
And so I like that she just had the courage to stand her ground
and like, really call him out in this moment because that's
that's huge. This is a very weird scenario
for her to be in. And she's just like, Nope, I'm
going to, I'm going to do this. I mean the minute she gets out
of Tear Eyes lane like she becomes a knight.
Yes, I know. Which is crazy because she was
supposed to go into training not like become one immediately and
she just owns the role and like is natural is natural at it.
Like truly side note though, during the scene.
So eventually the fellowship finds out and amazing things
happen. First, Borbin is late to the
confronting of Valentine. I love when he skitters down.
He's like somebody recap everything I missed and they did
it just so they could play that first in the next episode.
I know it's perfect promo material, he's hilarious.
But my favorite line ever in the show is when the dog Whittler,
the Nelwyn, whips out his knives and they're trying to explain
what's going on about Valentine. And he's like, I don't give him
mules, soft wispy bits who he served, but fucking wine.
But I just he has two tiny knives and I'm just trying to
figure out how he will fight with them.
How he fights, You can see him fighting.
He just gets around people and stabs him shit.
But that line, mules soft, wispy bits, is just fucking hilarious.
What a fucking line. I had to point that out because
I think it's funny. I don't get it.
OK, Caitlin, it's a it's a Disney show, so they can't use
swear words. So they have to get creative
with how they use swear words, Huh?
They're not allowed to say I don't give a rat's ass.
Yeah, or like, I don't give a donkey's genitalia who he
serves. That's what he's saying.
But he's saying it in like a kid friendly way.
So it's fucking funny. Like, kudos to the writer that
wrote that. I think that's a creative way to
write that, so I think it's funny.
Got it now. OK.
Thank you. You're welcome.
OK. So somehow it becomes night
time. I don't understand time in this
show because I, I I really don't know how we get tonight, but.
Since here we are. Valentine is possessed.
I I don't know how we get here, but Jane is somehow alone with
him. No, it's 'cause basically.
OK, so then they get this is a all the same episode.
I think they get to the Slaughtered Lamb Inn or
whatever, and Valentine and crew get there with Alora and then
like all the Fellowship kind of converge.
Like Kitten, Borman and everybody else get here and then
they're all fighting and everybody's occupied fighting
other people. Valentine and Kit and Valentine
and Jade, sorry, immediately start fighting each other.
And so that's kind of how they're alone.
Got it, It's. Really dark.
It's yes, this show is the worst when it comes to night time
scenes. We have ranted about this, but
like, you can't fucking see anything and it's awful.
I hate it anyway, but that's what happened.
So in case you didn't know, that was Jade and Valentine.
Yes. OK so something that I did like
is that before? OK, so since Valentine was
possessed, Jade is forced to kill him, basically.
Yeah, because they can't possess him, basically.
So he's and he's a this scenario sucks.
He can't get unpossessed and he knows this, so he does the
honorable thing and asks Jade to be the one to like.
Put him out of his misery so he doesn't like, harm anybody
basically. But why couldn't they do that?
Did they not know that they could do that 'cause they do it
with Greonse later, so did. They just say not try.
I think he's too far gone because Greonse mentions they
beat away exactly. The longer you're possessed the
harder it is to like get the corrosion out.
So I think he's too far gone and like Valentine, like during the
scene is very much struggling to stay conscious.
So I think he's too far gone cause like days pass where he's
possessed versus Beyoncé's like an hour and and I think Willow
mentions it in the castle, he's like well there's gonna come a
point where he's too far gone and I think that he's too far
gone is the problem. That makes sense then.
So balance. Also also, sorry also, Willow's
still doing the thing at this point where he's like, I can't
do magic, I can do magic. So, like, I fucking hate him.
Like, so who knows, Maybe Willow be like, I can't do it and then
10 minutes later he's like, look, I'm doing it because he
does that a lot and it's annoying, so.
He's like, oh shoot, I can do it.
I just didn't know. Or there's just a coincidence
that looks like I was able to do it.
I did it, guys. OK, so Valentine fought back
this evil long enough to tell Jade.
I am so proud of you. Jade.
Training you raising you has been the best thing I ever did.
And so she was being trained this whole time.
Yeah, I was training her to get into, like, into knighthood.
But like, knighthood's a process.
You don't just become one immediately.
She would have to become a Squire and like, go through
training, yeah. Well, she better get the highest
ranking now at this point. I think when the World War is
happening, all protocols go out the window and they're just
like, we need bodies who can fight.
You can be whatever you want. Yeah, she'll probably get, like,
knighted very quickly because, like, they're in like wartime
now. Different.
But anyway, I'm very happy that Jade got to use this.
And I mean it probably made having to kill him after right
after that a lot harder. But yeah, thank.
I love you. Kill me.
Oh my gosh, you froze from me and the picture is hilarious.
Oh my God. But anyway, so because like,
he's the one who loved her more than anyone, and we've already
established that Kit doesn't actually understand her.
Sorry. And so like she has to say
goodbye to like the one person who truly got who she was.
And it's really sad. But he she got to know how
important that she was to him before it happened.
And I think she needed to know that she is important and it is.
It's a huge turning point for her because it makes her
question like I thought I wanted to be a knight and I hate it so
far. Like she says that to Borman
later. And it also, I mean, I was
assuming that killing someone definitely questions makes you
question what you're doing and who you are.
That and like it. More importantly, who who she
was killing, because Borman says it to Kit.
When they're in this situation with Beyoncé and Kit's like,
well, we saw what happened with Valentine and somebody's going
to have to kill him because, you know, he's possessed and we
can't save Beyoncé. Borman's like, yeah, you should
do it though, Kit. And the kit's like, I can do it.
And she's like, he's like, no, you can't.
Like, it's one thing to kill somebody who's trying to kill
you because it's self. It's one thing to kill in
self-defense and the whole other thing to kill somebody who isn't
trying to kill you back, which is what Jade did.
She killed somebody who was not attacking her because they, they
killed a bunch of, like, you know, possessed people before
they got to the Ballentine scene.
That wasn't the issue. It was the issue was I had to
kill somebody who wasn't trying to attack me.
Like, that's different. And also for Jade, that's her
father figure. Like this is somebody who grew
up as an orphan and then she has to kill her like adopted dad
basically. Like that makes it so much worse
than just like killing a defenseless person for like the
bigger again, she wasn't just on a murder rampage being like she
was doing this because if he lived he would kill more people.
So it's like for the greater good kind of thing, which is
something Knights are expected to do.
But Virginia, it's like 10 times harder because, like, he, he was
her, like, adopted dad, basically.
So that I have to kill that person is a million times worse.
I agree with you that this is a turning point for Jade, and I
think it's a symbolic moment where Jade goes from apprentice
to the master because she later she's cleaning the sword.
And that's when kit's like trying to like be like, are you
OK for like the first time? And it's like, are you OK,
'cause that was the worst. And for me, it's almost like a a
from death, New life is born kind of metaphor, the whole
symbolism with Jade in this moment of, like, killing him and
then cleaning the store, like, getting ready to, like, become
the knight herself. And this is like one of the
first moments where Kit puts herself in Jade's shoes,
actually and is like, are he tries to like Shade.
She asks her, are you OK? And like tries to keep the
conversation going, but like Foreman gets in the way and like
they have to like go on the castle or whatever.
But poor Jade, like looks like she's just like isolated with
this grief and like has no time to process it because they just
have to keep going and it just what a thing to have to do and
just like quickly move on from. Like literally like Jade's a
very strong person is what I'm getting at.
I just. I feel for Jade this this poor
girl. It's on a quest to find herself.
She goes through trials. She goes through trials in this
adventure I. Thought you were gonna say
trauma and I I agree with that also.
Trauma. The trials sounds like trauma
or. Charles and tribulations.
Isn't that something that goes together?
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what this is.
That's what her her adventure is, basically.
But something that I love that comes out of this is her
becoming closer with Borman. And this is one of the first
times that we see, like, Borman sees everything.
I think we've mentioned that before and he just sees who
people are and he'll make jokes, but that's just so 'cause like
the. Whole.
World is very heavy and so I feel like he's just making jokes
to keep the mood lighter because that's what you need or else
everyone's gonna become freaking depressed, yes, and not be able
to do their jobs. He's like the therapist.
Like a terrible therapist who wants everyone.
Yeah, exactly. Sometimes you need.
That therapy. He's unconventional.
He's a sex therapist. He's a sex big Swiss Part 2 with
foreman. That would be amazing.
But he helps Jade with her grief, and then he encourages
her to keep going and not stop just because of, like, this one
thing. I mean, it's really hard for
him. He sees how hard it is.
Like he knows himself, 'cause he explained.
Like, it's one thing, like you said earlier, that it's to kill
someone who's attacking to you once another to kill someone who
isn't. And I'm assuming he's had to do
that before. Oh yeah.
So he's the only one who can understand her and this bond you
you do never see it coming. But it's so sweet and it ends
with Jay just like giving Borman the biggest hug because that's
what she needed to hear. And she.
Yeah, Kit did try to talk to her.
I thought she didn't at first, but she did.
She tried multiple times, but Jade knew that Kit didn't
understand her and she could never understand.
So she's like, I don't wanna deal with, I don't wanna have to
make you feel better about yourself.
And she needed to focus on herself so that I think that's
why she never actually opened up the kit about it.
Yeah. And I think that that that has
always been their relationship. Probably if something was
really, really bothering Jade, she probably just hit it and
then grieved or processed processed it on her own.
And so she's probably used to that.
So that how have kit like start to do the 180 and basically be
like no, like I wanna know about you and make sure you're OK.
She probably didn't really know how to handle that either and
like you said was probably like, yeah, you're just gonna make
this about you. I'm just gonna go hide and deal
with this. So yeah, I like that.
I like that you brought up that Borman is the one that really
gets to her because really like he was a Squire, so he was a
knight in training. So likely like you said, he has
gone through all of the trials already on the road to be a
knight. So yeah, he is the person that
can definitely a mentor Jade and then like relate to her because
he's has the similar experience and he's magnificent at reading
people. All right.
So after when that whole thing happens, they after they save
Beyoncé, they end up back like in the woods or whatever.
There's a part where Kit finally we've talked about it, but where
Kit finally learns the fact that like the castle isn't real life
and she actually can't take care of herself.
So actually, no, I think this happened before the, the, the,
IT doesn't matter anyway. So after like they're on the
fellowship's like on their way to wherever.
And at this point they have the no ones and they're in the
wagon. The wagon breaks and instead of
actually helping, Kit huffs off to go get water because the
whole time they're like trying to deal with the Elora stuff.
Kit is mad that she's like we're wasting time getting to Eric.
But like girl, you on your own are not equipped to go get him.
You need all these people and you need to learn, work as a
team and learn, learn to do that.
So she struggles. Since I'm helping, she huffs off
and she's like, I'm going to get water.
So Jade follows her to confront her about it.
And OK, so this scene actually, OK, so this happens in between
the other discussion. This happens in between Jade's
first confrontation with Evil Valentine and like the very last
one, basically. So they get into this argument
where again, Kit is mad because this is wasting time on the
quest to Eric. You have to get Eric, but she's
also low key. Mad that Jade quote hesitated
and didn't kill Valentine from their first interaction because
after Jade bravely confronts Valentine and Valentine and
draws her sword, a whole fight ensues with the whole
fellowship, not just Jade and like Valentine and his like
possessed goons. And Jade very correctly points
out she's like saving your ass during that fight.
And like, here's the proof, if you're watching on YouTube that
Kit gets her ass kicked and she's literally on the ground
and about to get knifed to death and Jade knifed to death.
Jade stop that from happening. So Kit is in the land of
delusion at the beginning is all I'm saying.
But because she can't let this go, she's like, that didn't
happen. Because every time we spar, I
always kicked your ass. And that's when the truth comes
out. That Jade's like, yeah, about
that. So Jade's sick of the bullshit.
Jade's sick of the bullshit. She's like, I was ordered by
your mother to train with you. So like, naturally she's gonna
let the Princess win because she's the fucking Princess.
And like, her goal is to make sure Kit didn't hurt herself
with swords. But like you mentioned earlier
like Jade does admit she's like, it's so like it's like oh so you
were like basically ordered to be my friend.
Yes. But Jade's like, yeah, that's
how it started because your mom's literally in charge.
I can't say no and but she's like over time like our
one-on-one sessions were became fun but she's like and it that's
all it was like it was a game basically is what Jade's trying
to get at in this conversation. This wasn't real life.
Like I never thought you would actually be in a real life
fighter death. Like we were always behind the
barrier, just playing like this is not a game anymore.
This is real and I never thought you'd be in the scenario because
the queen doesn't go out on quest.
The Knights do. But Kidd for some reason cannot
comprehend anything that Jade is saying.
And I think a lot of it is just like her ego is being bruised
pretty harshly for like probably the first time and she cannot
just deal with any of this. So she does what she does, which
is running away. So you're like go process it.
And that's when she tries to leave with Borman one-on-one and
just get the fuck out of there. So yeah, it's just Kit has a
really hard time facing reality for what it is.
I think versus Jade has lived in the real world that she's like,
yeah, about that Kit. Kit is kit.
Kit is Kit and Jade is Jade. Another call and Jade is great.
And so another scene where they both get called out that I find
really, really funny is when they're in the castle and
they're in Kit's Grandma's haunted fucking mansion,
basically, and they end up in the storage room like Kit and
Jade through magical meddling. Basically kids like, I went
through the stairs and you went through the door.
I don't understand this, but whatever, We're both here.
And then they hear pounding. So they're like, fuck, So
they're like, I barricade the door, basically, and they're
trying to be all tough and shit. And then Borman's like, yeah,
it's me, you need to let me the fuck in, 'cause this place
that's fucking haunted helped me.
So Jade and Kit think it's a really good idea to like press
their bodies together to help barricade the door because
lesbians lesbian logic logic, and they're like, well, how do
we know you're the real Borman? Because this place is fucking
haunted. So valid question.
And Borman's like, I don't know, it's me like can't like I'm
charming, don't you love me? And they're like, no, no, tell
us something. Only Borman would know because
we have to figure out it's you. And he's like, OK, you two want
to bang, basically. And like, they look to cut to
Jade's face. And that says it all.
Because again, all we know from this point is that Jade's the
kit. And I like that they break apart
and they try to play it off. And Jade's like, no, we don't.
And kit's like, yeah, not at all.
She's not hot. Whatever, Poor man.
I did not kiss her in the state I.
Don't. Yeah, I did already kiss her
question of that whatsoever exactly.
Again, we've forgotten. We've already guessed Foreman,
unfortunately, like doesn't respond to any of us to call
them out further, which would be amazing because he's like
freaked out that the Lux was stolen at this point.
He thinks they did it. He's like getting paranoia from
the mansion, basically. And he tries advancing on Kit
and then Jade does the most gentlewoman thing ever, where
she basically, like, threatens him with the sword and she's
like, please remove your grumpy hands from my Princess, which
Jade is soon worthy. That's all I'm saying.
This is why I understand why Kit is into Jade.
Exactly. Not the Princess.
Not the Princess, exactly. I get why Kit likes Jade, is
what I'm saying. There's lots of evidence the
other way. I'm having hard time in the
beginning. You know who also is having a
hard time with that? Elora.
Oh my God.
Speaking of who's having a hard time?
So, Oh my. God we get.
A scene in like the next episode I believe, when they get they go
to the Wildwood and they get captured by the bone reavers
because they are sitting around in a circle with grass over
them. Ready to go?
Waiting for their prey to come into the middle of the circle
and sit there and gossip. And they they listen to them
talk. For a while.
Oh yeah. So they know everything that's
going on. So Elora's like love is a so
powerful. And that's why I know we'll save
Eric like love. Love will save all, apparently.
Love Congress all. And this pisses Kit off, but
let's be real, What doesn't piss Kit off?
Kit doesn't know what love is, so she's struggling with this
one. I think a leaf could blow past
her at the wrong angle and she would get angry.
She's on edge, man. And like, I like Kit.
Kit originally wanted to save her brother.
I mean, originally, I mean, she does, but she gets pissed off
because she doesn't think that Alora knows her brother.
First of all, Kit, you don't know your brother.
I know nobody knows Eric. Kit, you don't know anyone.
You only know yourself. And let's be real, we're that's
changing as well. So Kit is like, oh, you barely
know Eric. Meanwhile, Jade is trapped and
she's OK. So this is this is everything
that Kit says. Yes, this is the one and.
Meanwhile, Jade is trapped and she's my And then stops and I'm
like, mm hmm. OK, what is she?
Kit? Yeah, you tell us.
We don't know. What do you think she is?
I need to know because your behavior is very strange.
But the faces they both make in this interaction make it like
1000 times better, because when Kit stops and says she's my,
she's like. So distraught, like I don't know
where to go. Neither do we Kit.
But like and the Laura's just like.
Mm hmm. Like.
I know, I know. We all say it.
You gonna say it? Come on.
And then Alora's like, this stupid girl is never going to
get it. After Kit says that they are
friends and she goes into this home monologue saying, come on,
you see the way she looks at you, protects you, frets over.
You came with us because of you. We pretend not to know,
sometimes even convince ourselves we don't know.
But deep down we know. I feel sorry for her, for loving
someone who can't love her back. See Alora Sees.
Everything that's going on. I think everyone sees what's
going on. Let's be real.
The only people who don't are I. You know what?
I think even Jade sees it. Kit's the only person that
doesn't see it. It's.
Just kit. Exactly.
It's only Kit. That's what makes it very weird,
yes. But this is the slap in the face
that we have been Like, if you watch the reaction videos, it's
just like I'm screaming. Can someone slap her?
Yes, this is the verbal flap that Kit needs to like, get your
cat out of your ass. Kit is basically what Laura's
saying. Like, girl, just look in front
of you. I know that you forgot that you
kissed in the first episode, but that's not a typical gal pal
thing. I know, is Kit.
That's why I'm like this. Kit think they're gal pals and
she's doing the thing like, yeah, we make out sometimes.
That's what friends do. And it's like, Kit, what girl?
What? Now this doesn't pertain to
this, but it is in the scene, so Alora helps them escape from
whatever they're trapped in. Yeah, so she has the the.
I guess they call it a splinter. The Splinter.
It's weird. Well, 'cause it's it's a
splinter, It's it's a piece of a very big tree.
So that's why he called it a splinter.
It's a it's a magical stick, OK? And she tries to use it and it
doesn't work. And then she goes.
She hits it and then blows on it and.
Then all of a sudden it works and.
There's a huge explosion. I love it.
It's like a video game cartridge back in the day where you're
like, it's not working. Let me blow on it, slap it
around. OK, the fact that that is what
needed to be done though is hilarious.
I think she says something too, like abracadabra or something
random, and not also but and something along those lines.
That was like a word that we've never heard her say before.
And just yeah. Oh Laura.
Her getting into her magic is amazing, but I can't wait to
talk more about. That because she's fascinating.
This is the end of our Part 2 of Willow.
Next time we get to talk more about Jade's back story, we get
more into her talk more about a Laura's arc and a budding
relationship that comes at the very end, that I changed the way
that theor watches the show. No.
And it led to many theories about what if we got season two
and three, because we're going to talk about that as well.
So. But if you made it this far in
the episode we want to know. I'm going to give you a secret
word that we want to challenge you to use in a comment or
podcast review. Those.
Definitely a podcast review without looking up the spelling.
Today's secret word is Kymerian Kiris.
Good luck. Good luck.
May the odds be ever in your favor.
Wrong world. You know what It's Hunger Games
is always the right world. Now, what is the thing that
Willow is trying to teach Ellora to say?
You remember that better than I do?
Tuatha athrak Mora huasa. That should be the secret word,
the last one. That's bonus points for that
word. Anyway, thank you for joining us
on our Willow journey. We'll probably be wrapping up in
the next episode, All the things Caitlyn just enticed you with.
So until next time, hydrate for Lesbian Jesus.
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