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picked a movie that's holiday themed, that's queer that we
really love, that we'll talk about and then at the end we're
gonna like rant about the ones we don't like.
Because holiday movies are a mixed bag truly.
Especially when you get into like the sub genre of queer
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So first we're going to start off with the spoiler free
section, the movies that we picked as our favorites that
we're going to dive into a little bit more after we kind of
like non spoilery talk about it is we're going to talk about
Carol, the Christmas setup and New York Christmas wedding.
And then the hate rants will just be at the end.
That will get emotional and that's just going to be a mixed
bag. But I will say right now, the
happiest season will be in that section.
And if we rant about a movie that you love, that's fine,
because everybody likes different things.
Correct. Like, I have good things to say
about happiest season, but also many gripes with it.
And like, go watch our reaction video if you want to see all the
griping. But anyway, there will be good
things and bad things. Sad about all the movies.
Like you know, this is just our opinion of what we found up till
now. So Bree, do you want to start us
off with non spoiler Carol overview?
OK, listen, I'm going to open this by saying that I don't
care. Everyone can fight me.
Anyone that says Carol is not a Christmas movie, I will fight
them. And this is a hill I'll die on.
Hello. It starts at Christmas time.
They buy Christmas, a Christmas tree, the whole setup.
And like there's a Christmas everything.
There's a Santa hat. For goodness sake, yes.
Torres has a hat. Torres has a hat, so she.
Does. That's my first thing to say.
The second thing to say is Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara.
Do I need to say much more about the quality of this film?
Because Todd Haynes is a great director, and I'm going to tell
you, Carter Burwell is one of my favorite composers for film and
he did the composing for this movie and I am always in love
with everything he writes. So that's also a big plus.
So where can you watch it? Because that's important
information to have. You can stream it on Netflix.
You can rent or buy it on Prime Video, Apple TV or YouTube.
There's other places that you can also rent or buy it.
It's pretty much everywhere that you can rent or buy a movie,
especially this time of year. So here we go with a little bit
of a spoiler free synopsis for you guys, Carol, which was
titled The Price of Salt as a novel by Patricia Highsmith, who
is about an aspiring photographer that develops an
intimate relationship with an older woman in 1950s New York.
So intimate relationship Lee is an understatement.
So I read this book before the movie was ever in the picture.
Like I I didn't I don't know like exactly when they started
like pre production in this movie, but it was I read the
book back in the day and it's I was going through this phase of
reading all this classic queer literature and really I think
after I watched the movie it only enhanced my feelings about
the book. They're very different in some
ways and they're very but the movie brings through the spirit
of the book for sure. So basically you get a window
into the relationship with Carol and Therese in the movie,
whereas the book gives you more of Therese's mind.
And and Torrez is an unreliable narrator, so, but every time I
watch it, the opening gives me like such a floaty and inspired
feeling. It's the music, the costuming,
that the way that the camera follows all of the people on the
street. It makes me feel like I'm just
kind of floating above it all and watch and like literally
watching these people go about their lives.
So I love that part of it and it's one of my favorite movies
of all time. I think that it's very, very,
very gay. I'm just going to say that on on
the the scale of queerness, this one is very high.
And yeah, so like, like in my notes, I said the gays off the
charts, the queer, the queer be in the in the heavens.
So you would say based on our big gay energy scale, which is
what we're doing for our like spoiler free section, like how
much queerness does it have? So it's just out of this world?
Big game. It's pretty down.
It's, I mean, everything from how they interact to the actual,
you know, some of the actual scenes with them being intimate
are absolutely gauging it. Queer as you can get.
All right, so that's Carol. Looking forward to diving into
Carol more. When we get to the spoiler
section, we'll go over. So I picked to talk about today.
I have several holiday movies that I really love.
But today I wanna talk about the Christmas setup and I want to
talk about this because for me, when I think of like a a holiday
movie, I think of like Hallmark style holiday movies.
If you're not familiar with what that means, it's usually a very
like easy to watch trophy kind of thing.
It's not high art, like it's not Kara, it's the opposite of
Carol. Basically, Carol's a great
movie. I'm not knocking Carol at all.
I'm just saying, like, for me, I'm looking for like a trophy
kind of thing, where it's like comes home for the holidays and
then, like, romance ensues and everything's cute.
That's what I'm looking for in a movie.
And this movie very much encapsulates that.
And Fran Drescher's in it. So, like, it's already great.
It's just that she's in it. I love her.
Oh my God, she's so great in
this. OK, so it's a the reason for me
this movie hits all those buckets.
It's because it's made by Lifetime, which is basically
like they make the Hallmark Esque kind of movies, but it's
queer. You can watch it.
I think I watched it on Amazon because they have like a
Lifetime subscription where you can like watch all of these
movies. Right now it's like, and I
actually just bought it for like $0.99, but I'm sure it's
elsewhere. That's just where.
You can also. Have a free trial for a week.
There you go. And just like binge all of them.
There's a lot of them on there that are great that are queer.
This one I just thought was very top tier, so synopsis of what
it's about. So it centers around Hugo who's
a big, big city lawyer in New York City and he comes home to
Milwaukee and brings his best like friend from college Maddie.
And they go home and home is Fran Drescher is his mom and
Milwaukee. And while he's there, like mom
is super into Christmas. It's all of those tropes.
And he runs into basically Patrick Ryan who is hit like it
was like a high school crush basically.
It was mutual and they didn't know it.
And so a romance ensues with the two of them.
And then there's this whole plot in there too about like saving a
beloved Christmas tradition for the town.
So like, it just it it hits all the buckets for me.
And there's a secret, like there is a queer plot in there that's
all like integral part of the story that you don't know until
the end is a queer plot that just sold the the story for me.
So it's it's amazing. And so if I had to rank this at
how much big gay energy it has, it's 10 out of 10 honestly
because it centers around queer person.
And then there's this also, like there's other queer elements to
it that I wasn't expecting in a movie like this that just like
wrapped it up in a cute little bow for me.
And it's just warm, fuzzy feelings and it's the type of
Hallmark style movie that I love.
Like in a holiday movie. If you haven't seen it, I highly
recommend it. It's really cute and adorable.
It's a movie you want for Christmas.
Like, yeah, I'm with you like at those type of movies like OK you
we have people want like like breaking bounds or whatever.
Like. Make you think Christmas movies.
But there's something about, like the cookie cutter movies
that I just love. Yeah, it's just it's like it's
like Christmas cookies for your brain, basically, you know, and.
It's brain candy. Brain candy.
It's like a candy cave, but it's queer and it's a movie and I
love it. And we, you know, as the queers,
which we'll get into, I will rant about like we don't get
many movies like that. So it it it's like this is a
type of movie that's supposed to be warm and fuzzy and happy.
And so to see it done well in a queer story is just it warms my
little cold lesbian heart and it makes me happy.
It made me laugh a lot. And I mean like friend dress
shirts, it's. Amazing.
Yeah. So it's great.
OK, so I had a little bit of trouble figuring out what my
favorite movie would be. And I still don't know what it
is, but there's a movie that was defaulted to my favorite because
it's the only one I remember. So I'm going to be talking about
a New York Christmas wedding. New York?
Yeah, So you can watch it on Tubi or freebie with ads.
Gotta love some ads. Like, they're really not that
bad. Just like.
Go to all, get it on Prime if you want to rent it or buy it.
I was only giving them the free stuff.
Hey man. OK, but this movie is.
This is the description for it. As her Christmas Eve wedding
draws an ear, Jennifer is visited by an Angel and shown
what could have been if she hadn't denied her true feelings
for her childhood best friend. Her childhood best friend's a
girl, by the way. Thanks Caitlin.
It's what would be the movies girl.
Plot twist if it was a. Hey, OK well, The thing is, my
actual favorite movie that I watched out of all this I
couldn't pick because out on the charts it was only a four out of
10 because the main couple wasn't queer.
And it was it wasn't queer enough, so we couldn't talk
about it. But this one, it's queer to be.
Fair to you. They could have.
I mean, they didn't have to be a woman.
They could have been, you know. Could be bisexual age, yeah.
Non binary. Yeah, exactly.
OK. But I I think it was a decent
movie. I this does not sound like it's
my favorite. No.
I mean it's good, but I wouldn't categorize it with like what we
just talked about the happy, cheerful, Hallmark type movies.
No. Which again, we just established
that I would prefer that more right now.
But it's the type of movie to make you think, what if what if
I had been braver that one time in my life?
How much would my life be different right now?
Don't we all wonder that at one point or another?
Especially on the holidays when you're like.
Remembering things, yeah. Like looking back the past year.
Yeah, exactly like reflection. Especially in, like, the queer
world. You're like, oh shit, I liked
her. Then what happened?
What would have been like if I realized it at that moment?
Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh, totally.
So definitely relatable. So rating this on the Big Gay
Energy Scale, I I think I'll give it a 7 because like the
queer couple is a focus in most of the movie, but I don't think
it's like the best not I'm representation, but it's it, it
could it has more potential so it can't be higher.
That's fair. OK, cool.
So those are the three movies we'll be focusing on for like
things we love, and we'll dive into the spoilers.
Before we get there, though, there's like so many holiday
movies out there, and we could literally spend the entire year
of 2024 just talking about them. But we don't, because we won't
do that, 'cause we have other things to talk about on this
podcast. I do have a whole list of queer
Christmas movies if you'd like me to share them, and I
apologize for the dogs, but just let me know if you want me to
share them. Yes, but I just wanted to very
quickly like list some other movies for you guys to check out
that we really love or mostly me, but because we don't have
time to dive into them all. So I my all time favorite really
is Chris Christmas at the Ranch. I love this movie.
I think it's a it's one of Kristen's movies.
It is. What's her name of this?
Their striving platform? Hello Tello.
So Tello has a bunch, actually. And in case you forget.
In the movies, there is always a Tello sticker on the computers.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. This movie is really cute.
It's basically just like it is literally a Hallmark style movie
of like big city girl comes home to try and save her family ranch
and gets with hot rancher girl. That's it.
That's the whole movie. And it's lovely because that's
it's just a Hallmark movie about that nobody dies.
It's not drama ISK, it's very nice.
I love that one. And they hate each other at
first. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, yeah,
it's, it's so good. Like yours, catnip?
Yeah, I watch it. I watch it every year.
I love that movie a lot. I I was going to pick it as my
movie, but like the Christmas setup has a lot to like.
It's Meteor in terms of other stuff, which is why I'm focusing
on it. Caitlyn, there's Recommend your
movie. Yes.
So the movie that I was talking about earlier is called Ghosting
the Spirit of Christmas and it's basically this woman goes on a
blind, well like a first date and she gets killed coming home
by another car. I didn't watch the scene because
I can't watch car crashes. Anyway, doesn't matter.
And so she dies, but her spirit is still there and her best
friend can see her as well as the guy she went on the date
with. So like they're being all cute
like the guy in her, like she's like I'm trying to ascend.
How do I do that? So she goes on dates with him.
Meanwhile, her best friend is like falling for the guy's
sister. So like that it's just like,
it's a lot of it. There's there's some queer stuff
in it and it's really funny and cute at times and I just like
it. That's lovely, that.
Is lovely. Speaking of lovely, there's also
Marion Gay Kristen, which is another Kristen.
Movie. This is my favorite of
Kristen's. And if you don't know who
Kristen is, we did an interview with her.
Yes, I was gonna. I was about to say I'm like, go
watch her. It's her name is Kristen Baker.
We did an interview with her. She was in an airport.
It was. Fun.
It was fun. But she does a lot for the queer
Christmas movie. Genre world especially Like the
female presenting side of it, yes.
So yeah, this movie is, it's another, it's again a lot of
Kristen's movies are very hallmark style movies.
This one, what's notable about it is that there's a non binary
lead. So it's like one of the only
ones I'm aware of that's in this genre with a non binary lead.
Played by a non binary actor. Yeah, so it's really good.
So it's like comes home for the holidays and like romance
ensues, there's like a Christmas play.
It's like one of those, one of those movies, very easy to
watch, but that one's really good.
And I've loved Dia Frampton since since I was a youngling
because of the band Megan Dia. It also might not be called
marrying gay on the platform, right?
You have to look up at the picture.
Because I when I kept, I kept shouting into my Alexa remote
marrying gay and he kept pulling up a different movie.
Christmas is so confused. Christmas.
Is the other title I believe and it's the shut down.
I meant to text Kristen, to be like, hey Kristen, we're filming
this. I I did that.
Maybe it's just a platform rule. So it's.
No, it's. I can tell you because I talked
to her about it, OK, I guess I can say it.
Well, she just said the distribution company changed it.
That's all she said. How can the district, oh
whatever, it doesn't matter. Yeah, that's fucked up politics.
Anything else about this movie before I?
They have. It's weird that they changed the
name considering they have a whole song that says marrying
gay and I know continue single. OK yeah.
The last, the last spoiler. The last one I want to recommend
is called Single all the Way. So this is more of an achillion
movie if you're in, if you're into that.
Honestly I think, I think the achillion movies are better
quality overall. So hopefully the female slash
non binary ones will get there as we progress.
But this movie's really, really fun.
It's on Netflix. It's, it's it's another another
Hallmark style movie where a boy meets boy during winter.
There is a scene in it that's very heart stoppery where the
guys take like Instagram photos outside in the snow.
It's adorable 'cause they're a dog.
I don't remember, to be honest with you.
If there's a dog I know I don't like.
Nelly does not make an appearance Caitlyn, but the
scene is very heart stopper and Jennifer Coolidge is in it.
Just being Jennifer Coolidge, so like and that on its own made me
watch it. It was like Jennifer Coolidge is
in a movie. I will 100% watch this.
And then it was queer and I was like, yes, so that's a really
fun movie too. That's well done.
See, it's always that one character friend, Drescher, got
us to watch the Christmas setup. I'm saying they get.
They get the, the Achillea movies have got, they got good
like female like actors in there to be, like I want to watch this
because Jennifer Coolidge is being Jennifer Coolidge.
I think she goes to a drag bar. I can't remember.
But it's just she's the best. I love her.
Everything she does is amazing. OK.
So now that we've gone, OK. So at this point we've cut.
If you don't want to be spoiled about any of these movies, like
turn this off, go watch your movies and then come back and
listen to our like, spoiler reviews.
So we're going to jump into that.
And if you're a spoiler hoe and you don't care, like no slow
shaming on this podcast, listen along.
Yeah, let's do it. OK, so free.
Do you want to take it away? All right.
So with Carol, we're going to start with the book because I
think it's a really important book for the community and an
important movie for the community because of that.
So it was written by Patricia Highsmith, who was known for her
psychological thrillers. And she wrote it under the
pseudonym Claire Morgan. So she wouldn't be, like, tagged
as a lesbian book writer because she's writing this in the in,
like, 1950. So you can imagine if you get
tagged, oh, that's the lesbian book writer, your other stuff
may not be published or you're going to face some negative
consequences. So the other reason she didn't
want to put her name on it was that the book is incredibly
personal to her because this is a lot of her life in these
characters. So she is like and you can
throughout her life all of her friends would say that Therese
is was Patricia Highsmith. So it was like she put herself
in this in this book and and it's based on the like the meet
cute is based on her, an incident that happened to her
working at Bloomingdale's. So she was working at
Bloomingdale's in the toy department and a woman came up,
a blonde woman in a mink coat. And she noticed it because mink
coats weren't really common at that point because well the war
had just happened and everything.
So yeah, she, you know, she the whole shebang, except they
didn't have a thing afterwards. She like left and never saw her
again. But she the thing about this,
this novel, this novel is that it was her only novel that was
like unequivocally about a lesbian relationship.
Because, you know, she was more of a thriller.
Like if you've ever heard of the movie Strangers on a Train that
was based off her book, But go watch that if you like suspense
movies. But the characters are also the
only ones in her books that have explicit sexual existences, and
that's a reflection of her own life again.
So it's really cool that she wrote this, you know, kind of
wrote her her experiences into this book.
And also she was tired of sad endings for two women who fall
in love. So that's why another reason she
wrote the book. It's A and there are a lot of
reasons I like it, but it's a classic, and it's a story of
that first love that that's so intense that you can hardly
breathe or think about anything else.
For Torres, at least. And it's very purposefully a
happy ending. In the book, you get more of
that happy ending than you do in the movie.
But I do still like how they did it in the film.
We don't get a lot of really good well made movies for our
community and the acting and quality are in the film are very
high and and and though this is based on a book the movie is
very cinematic in the way that the story unfolds and the way
that the actors convey all of the emotions and even in the way
that they speak. It's just like a movie of of
subtle. It's just a subtle movie and the
story is happening not only when words are spoken but more so in
like the looks that they exchanged between the two mains
and their body language. And they have this like artistry
about conveying that all-encompassing feeling of love
with like nothing more than their facial expressions and the
shots and and not to like the shots in the film.
Like help this along as well, but.
I mean, did it get it got like nominated for like a ton of
awards too, Like like Oscars and stuff like.
Really. Awards.
This is a legitimate film. Not that queer media is a
legitimate, but I mean like. This is a like.
High level movie like. Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Accepted by all of the bodies. The academies.
But like that was something that made Carol huge, because it was
like one of the first movies we ever got that was at least like
in the Sapphic realm. And I just mean queer women as a
group, female presenting people as a group when I say that term
for simplicity. But yeah, it was the first one
that was ever like on the stage with like all the hot like high
art movies that were being considered for Oscar
nominations, which is like huge. So it it got like worldwide
publicity and things like that. And it was on the world stage
kind of movie and it was with Cate Blige and who's like one of
the best actresses alive today and like legitimate composers
and like not legitimate but like high level people in the
industry. A list, a list.
There we go. So that made it novel because we
never really had that before, ever.
Like the stuff we're getting was like, you know, indie film, like
low budget stuff. So to have like an industry like
invest in a movie like this was a very, very big deal.
And it still is. And I think that's one of the
reasons that makes Carol timeless.
And so it's beautiful to watch like you're saying Bree, and
it's beautiful to listen to 'cause it just it it, it has all
the elements of just a a, an, a list movie, you know?
That's just. It is, it is.
And I always feel really different after I watch it
'cause I want. I obviously watch it every year
but because like if you I feel like I know that these these
actors prepared so well for it because if you the scene where
they meet is is perfect because you have actually before she I
think she was being interviewed and I don't remember by whom but
Patricia Highsmith described that part that she wrote as I
felt odd and swimmy in the head near to fainting yet at the same
time uplifted as if I had seen a vision.
So yeah that's how she felt seeing the blonde woman in
Bloomingdale's and I think they really captured that.
So I, I and also 10 out of 10 for adding that little part at
the end of the meeting scene where she where she says I like
the hat. I love that That's so pretty
iconic. And I and also like if you
weren't aware this was a Christmas movie.
Torres is where exactly So like it.
Yeah that Carol is such a Carol's if Carol OK.
If Carol the at the woman existed now she'd be such a fuck
boy it's not even funny. Oh yeah, like.
Holy shit. The way she flirts with Torres.
Oh my God. So openly, but not openly.
For anyone else that would be like me.
And I'm like, ma'am, there are children around and you're just
like expert flirting and just in front of my, like, Nutcracker.
Toys. Like in in.
Front. Of little Betsy.
Yeah, and I love that. Like the men everybody's
oblivious until it becomes so obvious that the husband's
finally like, yeah, you lesbianing by my back, God damn
it. But yeah, like, damn Carol Oh my
God, and the have Cate Blanchett do It is just.
Yeah. It's swoony.
We'll put it that way. Yep, the Funnily enough, the
other part that was based on part of this was also based on
her friend who had who went through a divorce and had her
daughter taken away because. Of lesbianing.
Yeah, it was illegal back then to lesbian with child.
I thought, OK, so I thought for friend, you're going to talk
about Sarah Paulson's character because, like, yeah, Sarah
Paulson's in this too. Like, queer woman icon that she
is. God, I love her.
I want to talk about Ratchet one day.
She's awesome. She's amazing.
In life, I just love her. But yeah, so also it's not just
about, I mean it's focused on Carol Andreas, but also then you
have Sarah Paulson, who's like the Carole's ex best friend,
who's like a ride or die. And it's like, I wanna know more
about Sarah Paulson characters. I fucking love her so much.
Oh yeah. So there's there's queerness
everywhere in this movie. Yeah, like that scene where
they're talking, they're sitting down and talking and she's like,
you know, I have my eye on that on this redhead that owns a bar
and blah, blah, blah. And she's like, there's Handler
Redhead. Yeah, I'm like.
Where's? Where's her movie?
I want to watch her get the redhead.
She's like, she's very young. Do you know what you're doing?
And Kate Blanchett, It's like I never know what I'm doing.
I know. They're so real as, like,
disaster lesbians. I love them.
Exactly. Yeah, it's true.
But moving on to another very important scene in the movie is
the love scene. So they've gone on a road trip
to get away as you do if you're lesbian there, you hauling if
your if your husband's, you know trying to take your kid away
from you. Why?
You road trip. Duh.
Yeah, your road trip with your ladylove.
Yeah, put that red. And it's actually New Year's
when this happens. And so they ring in the new year
with a little, with a little queer sex and.
They they prey on the altar of lesbian Jesus, Yeah.
It's a very well done scene. Oh my.
God the freaking build up the. Take me to.
Bed line. It's all great.
Just OK. There's homophobia at the end.
Yeah, you have to go to like you go to the part where they're
standing in front of the mirror, which is a bright shot #1 #2,
and then they're looking at one another and Kate Blanchett just
reaches down and opens her robe. She sure does.
And Carol's just like. God dear it, Carol.
Invitation. So much game.
And trust takes that she's like, yes please.
Christmas came early for me like.
Turns and then they start making out and we're like.
Yeah, Sappho would be proud. But yeah, I love the mirror
shot. Like the cinematography in this
movie is stunning, which separates it from a lot of the
queer holiday movies, Yeah. Sadly, so good.
But yes, homophobia happens after that.
So of course. Because it's a 19 Fif. 1950s,
nineteen 52 to be specific. Thank you.
They're also lesbians. They're no other to be happy.
Actually, they are. Because Because this is
purposefully written with a happy ending.
Because Patricia was like, fuck this shit, these bitches are
going to be happy or? Else or else.
Oh my God, yeah. So.
It's like 4th wall break for she's like where are you all
like bitch and title. The ending, Speaking of the
ending, it's very subtle, but it's very powerful.
So in the book you see them afterwards and you get the story
of what's going on with them. But in the movie, we end with
Carol saying, hey, do you want to come live with me?
And then later on, and then they get interrupted, Carol leaves
and then Torres goes and finds her.
And standing in the middle of this restaurant, they lock eyes
and it's just like, oh, here you are.
I guess we're going to get our happily ever after.
Da da, da. And then that's the end.
But it's not. Look on Kate Blanchett's face.
All of her looks she serves so hard without saying anything.
It's just what a phenomenal. Actor.
She is amazing. Speaking of, well, let's just
talk about the kind of elephant in the room a bit.
So there's an age gap between these two, which isn't that big
considering it's 10 years. But the the gap that kind of
bothers people is the experience gap.
So Torres is very young in a sense, in the sense of she's not
really been out in the world. This is like her first foray
into having, you know, a job and being an adult and all that good
stuff. And Carol.
Carol has seen some shit and. She has.
She's been through it. Has obviously had relationships
with women before this and her husband's aware of them.
This is why they're getting a divorce.
Her best friend she's been friends with since she was a kid
is in the picture and a thorn in her husband's side, to say the
least. But a lot of people have
analyzed the book specifically, saying that it's more of a
mother, daughter relationship. And it's like, I see where
you're coming from with that, but I don't really.
I feel like that's kind of an element in a lot of
relationships in a way, and it makes sense considering their.
I don't think it makes it a bad relationship necessarily.
Is it because she looks like her daughter?
Yeah, they have the same haircut in the.
Movie which doesn't. Help this case.
Well, Carol's a styled better so.
That's true. That is a choice.
But like, to be fair though, realistically back in the day
there was like 3 hairstyles people would yeah, like, yeah.
So it's like to be fair. But yeah, it is weird visually.
I will say though, like, OK, well what if Carol was a man?
Would people be being like, oh, it's father, daughter.
Like no, no one would bat an eyelash at any of this.
A young up and coming woman meets an older rich man who's
cheating on his wife. Literally no one would say this
is like father daughter realm. It's only because they're women.
People are fucking saying that, which is a double standard, I
think. Yeah, 'cause, like, also like
the other thing, too. Like, yeah, like in life.
Torres is like coming into adulthood, I guess, and trying
to figure her shit out. But, like, if you're thinking
about it through, like, she's inexperienced in her queerness.
On top of that, like, it's the 1950s.
How is she supposed to experience any of that?
Like look at look at all the lengths and hurdles Carol has to
go through to just be herself and like the scene where she's
like giving it to her husband and she's like.
Absolutely not. I would like where she's about
to lose her, her daughter, and she's like there.
There would be a time in my life when I was younger probably
where I'd be like, yeah, I'll do whatever to keep my daughter.
But she's like, fuck that. I've seen some shit.
I understand the value of being myself.
Fuck it. Take the daughter away.
Like I'm not going to compromise me because what kind of example
am I setting for my child if I fold, you know?
Yeah, and and also what? What good is it going to do the
her, her daughter for them to be in this perpetual state of
conflict? Because it's going to last
forever. Absolutely.
She also oh, go go, sorry. I was supposed to say she does
the only thing she can for herself and her daughter.
Yeah, exactly. And then to bring it back to
Therese, like that's what Therese is learning throughout
the entire movie is like how to come into like, what being
Torres is. Because when you're a young
adult and you're trying to figure shit out, you don't know
anything. You learn stuff through life
lessons and it just, it takes time.
It's a process. And so to have somebody like
Carol be in the picture, who is kind of like finally coming into
like what it means to be Carol and like who Carol is, she's
like, I figured it out. I'm, this is me.
That's it. So to have that person in her
life is is big for Torres who like can model herself after
that. So I can see like a mentor
mentee, yes thing. I don't think they're related
because of mother daughter shit, but like more is that more like
their? Lives are parallel in some ways,
yeah. Or like or like.
Yeah, exactly. But like Therese is like a
couple of years behind character.
They're going down the same trajectory, but but Therese does
come into herself and like by the end of the movie like or
she's getting closer to that, so.
And she's not boyfriend. What?
I never, ever want to remember his name because he annoys me
the entire book and movie, but you get a lot more of him in the
book, just warning you. But there's really beautiful
scenes with Torres realizing a lot of things about herself and
what she wants in life that you do get with the book.
So I recommend reading that too. But the movie, though it didn't
get to show as many scenes with that you you, you do see it
through the the like, the the so talented, the the what is her
name? Naggie.
I can't ever pronounce her last name.
The writer of the the scriptwriter.
Oh, I don't know. I actually don't know who wrote
the script. Phyllis Nagay, Nagay.
Something like that. I suck at names.
Anyway, she did a wonderful job of adapting it.
So yeah, yeah. The only other thing I'll
mention is that, like I said before, you don't get as much of
the happy ending, but that's an adaptation versus a book issue,
which you're always going to have so.
You pronounce it Nagy. Nagy.
OK, excellent. Thank you.
All right, so how much would you hydrate for lesbian Jesus for
Carol? We'll just throw that in after
each one. Do we have the amount that was
in the Red Sea? The Red Sea?
Yeah, that's valid. Yeah, yeah, Red Ocean, that's
how much. The water on earth.
Yeah, it's a beautiful.
Especially the water in our bodies.
Because water, like queer media, is essential for life.
That's why we hydrate. All right.
Thank you, Bree. That was our Carol synopsis.
We'll hydrate for the Gzai. I could talk about this movie
for 93,000 years and the book, but let us continue.
Yes, we will move on to the Christmas setup, which is my
Hallmark esque movie of choice. So for me, this movie had all
the elements that I love. It has the freakishly obsessive
holiday vibe going on. It starts really with Fran
Gesher, who's Hugo's mom and she's like obsessed with
Christmas and has this giant, like, he comes home and he's
like, oh, we're going to chill Maddie.
And then mom's like, fuck no, this is your chore board.
And it's literally the month of like December and all these
things they have to do every single day.
So there's this, like, that obsession with like the
holidays. That's this.
One of the tropes of these movies, 2nd trope that's here is
that you have big city boy meets like suburban boy.
I would say small town in these movies, 'cause it's usually like
rural versus urban stuff, but this one subverts that and I'll
talk about that a little bit later in a way that I like.
But, and he's only home for two weeks.
Caitlin, it's always two weeks. It's always two weeks.
Why is it the magic number in queer media?
I don't know. Or two days if your heart stop.
Yeah, heart stop for it's two days.
Well, it's 2 something. Right.
Two weeks makes a huge difference in things.
It does it's. Always.
It means everything when it's two weeks, but big City Boy
comes home to small town, falls in love classic and then they
have the quintessential holiday meet.
Cute, which is adorable. So basically, the way the the
guys are reunited is that Hugo comes home with his best friend
Maddie, whom I love. And mom's like, OK, Hugo, well,
I need to take Maddie and go do Christmas stuff for reasons.
I need you to stay home and like, use your cute little tool
belt because he's actually pretty handy.
Hugo and I need you to do stuff around the house and wait for
the Christmas tree to get delivered.
And he goes like fine, whatever. So he's like fucking around and
like hanging shit. And then the Christmas tree gets
delivered and who is delivering it?
His high school crush, Patrick Ryan.
And so it's very cute. I just love it.
And it's like it it feels natural and it's not this like
forced thing, the way they meet and they already have history.
So it's like less about, like, who's this mysterious stranger.
It's more like getting comfortable with people when
you're in a different phase in your life, which I liked about
this story. The two of them had really good
chem. Like everybody in the movie had
good chemistry with each other. So like Patrick and Hugo have
really good natural chemistry, and then the family has really
good chemistry. Like Fran, who's just a national
treasure, is a great mom in this.
Movie. Fucking love her.
But one of my favorite parts with her is when Hugo says to
Maddie, you know the first thing that Mom's going to say and it
cuts to Fred. You look so.
Skinny. Yeah.
No. Another part that I love about
this movie that I think it did right has to do with that.
I'll talk about that in a later section.
But yeah, it's very cute. She's a great mother.
Speaking of Maddie, Patrick, not Patrick.
Hugo and Maddie are adorable. They like, met in college and
have been like best friends ever since, and they both live in New
York City together. And when she comes home, I
freaking love her. She's just the best.
And she ends up having a romance with like Hugo's brother who
comes home super cute. But the mom sets up.
Yeah, yeah. The mom sets them all up, which
is cute. But Hugo and Patrick are are
really I think a great couple to center.
They have they're they're both complementary to each other.
Like it's not it's not so much that like, Patrick likes to.
I don't know, trap firewood and Hugo's like the city boy.
It's not really that. They're like compliments on like
a nerd scale too. That's really cute.
Like, I don't know, Like Patrick is this like tech genius who
like creates an app and he retires early 'cause he sells it
and just does like, charity work now, which is adorable.
So they're both, like very nerdy and they have their like niche
little interests that come out throughout the movie and it's
just freaking adorable. And what separates this movie
from other like, hall marking movies is that their romance
isn't really a Oh well, it tis the season, let's just do this
kind of thing. It's like they already had a
history in high school and they kind of build on that, which
which I really like. So it feels more like natural to
me. And so I felt that they were
just believable as a couple, which I think is important if
the point of the story is to be a romance.
Basically. Another element to these movies,
the Hallmark movies that are common is it's rural versus city
tropes. It's just a staple to this kind
of movie and I think this movie handled it the best out of all
the Hallmark type movies I've ever seen because every single
character has an experience living in a big city.
So they have that perspective. So then when they're
transplanted into like quote the small town which in this movie
it's not like they're in like the middle of nowhere, they're
in like a city like a sub suburb in Milwaukee.
So it's like, and in between from like big city to like like
rural. So it's not Christmas with a
ranch. They're not like on a ranch
isolated with acres of land. It's like they're in a suburb.
So it's like rural light, I guess.
They have a train. Yeah, but OK, so like Hugo and
Madeline are coming straight from New York City, which is
like one of the biggest cities in the world, the most city city
you can be in. But Hugo grew up in this
Milwaukee suburb that they're the movie takes place in.
Mom also is, from, which I'm glad they put this in here.
Mom is also from like New York, NY, one of the boroughs, because
like Fran Drescher keeps her New York accent.
And I'm just like, you want me to believe that she's from
Milwaukee, get the fuck out of here.
But then they they throw this line in later like, Oh yeah,
she's from like somewhere in the boroughs.
And I'm like, thank God because like I was not buying that.
So yeah. So she has experience in a city.
And the brother Aiden, he's in the Air Force I think.
And so he moves all he was like coming from Germany.
He's lived all over the world. So everybody who and Patrick
also after high school like followed a boyfriend out to San
Francisco and that's where he like started his tech stuff.
And San Francisco is where I live is basically the New York
City of the West Coast. So like everybody here has
experience in a city, which I like because usually in these
movies it's like it's the love interest for the person that
comes back from the city is like has like never left this town
and they just love the town and it's just like that's all they
know. So they're the perception of
like, you shouldn't live in the city.
Cities are bad usually is like propaganda that's in these
movies. But all these characters all
have like more worldly perspectives of like life
outside this Milwaukee town. So it made it less weird when
they're talking about like do you want to be in New York or
not? Because that's always like, but
that is always a plot point because Hugo in the movie, like,
he's up for promotion at his law firm and he thinks he's going to
stay in New York and get promoted.
But anyway, so the part of the tension is, do you want to stay
there? Do you want to like move to
another city? Do you want to be in a small
town so it doesn't feel like propaganda?
Y it feels much more like it's about Hugo's like what he wants
in life. Not really.
Let's just like, oh, I'm. I'm seduced by the charm of this
like small town and the Christmas farm and all that
weird stuff. So I like how they handled this.
I thought it was really, really great.
And I think that it's highlighted the most with
Patrick, cause like Patrick left, went to San Francisco and
then came back to Milwaukee and the Milwaukee town.
And the reason he did it was because he basically is
financially set. So he comes back home because he
wants to like pay it forward to the next generation of queer
people. So when him and Hugo are on
their date, they're basically talking about, like, they're
reminiscing about basically like high school and this and that.
And Patrick was saying like, well, did you know that now we
have like a, like a, a queer youth center and we have like,
drag nights and things like that.
He's like stuff I would, I wish we had when I was in high
school. And he's like, I want to keep
that going and like, give the queer kids here like something I
never had. So I love that aspect of
Patrick. Like, he's a true philanthropist
who really wants to pay it forward.
And that's his motivation for staying in this town.
It's not just like, I love the charm of being here.
It's like I'm trying to do something good and so I love
that about them and like Hugo resonates with that as well.
So it's it's very cute and I love that plot point.
So going back to Fran Drescher though I another aspect I I love
is that I appreciate how they portrayed New York culture
correctly. I am from New York, not the
city, but like one of the boroughs.
And I love that they portrayed it absolutely correctly.
So they have Fran out here calling people a Schmucks.
And she's the mom meddling in her son's lives.
And she's like, at one point she's like, yeah, I got arrested
for trying to save this, like, Christmas tradition.
I would do it again. Like, I just that's like classic
New York people and I fucking love it.
And the thing that you said earlier, Caitlin, where she's
like, you look so skinny every time her boys come home, that
that is literally something my grandmother's would always say.
So I just, I love it. I love it.
Eat some food.
Yeah, literally. They let her keep her accent.
Just, I mean for. That friend without an accent.
What? That wouldn't be weird.
I mean, how many actors now get to keep their New York accents?
Yeah, like none. You have to get a.
Beating out of it in like training and stuff.
Right. So I appreciate that remnant
because that's real as somebody who's from there, All right, So
the queerness, because that's why we're all here in this
story. I love that nobody comes out on
screen. All of the coming out happens
off screen. Patrick came out in high school
and he was out. And I love this aspect of him.
He was like a popular guy. He was a lacrosse player, and
Hugo, who wasn't out in high school, 'cause he he's like, I
wasn't ready then, but he comes out like in college, I think
later he tells Patrick on their date, he's like, well, I really
admired you for that, for being able to do that.
And Patrick says to that, like, like, I was very lonely.
So because he must have been like, I imagine the only queer
person who's out probably at the time.
And so I personally would really love a prequel of like Patrick
in high school dealing with all that 'cause I think it would be
really cute coming of age story for him.
And then he can have like meta stuff or like he sees Hugo and
stuff, and that'd be super fun. That would be cute.
That'd be so cute. Other queer elements in this
story, they're they go to like a drag Christmas karaoke bar thing
that's super fun and cute. And I thought this movie was, I
think came out in 2022. I think my hat keeps swelling in
2022. I think something like that.
And I thought that was good because there's a lot of
demonization of drag people. I don't need the exact day.
Gate one. It's fine.
There's a lot of demonization. I know what you're doing right
now. Oh, cold out.
Since 2016 there has been a lot of demonization of drag culture
in America, so to have this in a Lifetime movie is good.
And lastly, and most importantly, the secret queer
plot that I didn't realize going into this was the historical
gaze that are happening. So one of the plot points in the
movie, 'cause there's always like a we have to save this
Christmas thing, of course that the town loves.
So in the movie, The big tradition at this town is that
there's a railroad station and it's like an old timey station
where the trains come in. And there's been this tradition
going on for like 100 years where they essentially the town
gathers in the station and they write letters to Santa with the
kids and then they like, send them to the North Pole on the
last train going to the North Pole.
So it's like the night before Christmas they send it.
And in the movie there's like the threatening of like the town
taking over the station and modernizing it or whatever.
So like Hugo and Patrick go on this quest to like try and save
it. And what they end up finding is
that the guy that owned the train station that passed away
basically started this tradition because his boyfriend, slash
husband loved Christmas Eve so much that he started this
tradition. And so everybody in the town
keeps doing this tradition that started off as like a queer love
thing. And they don't realize it.
That's what they're doing. Because at one point in the
movie, Hugo's asking his mom, He's like, mom, why do we do
this? And she's like, I don't really
know, but I like to think that we're spreading joy in the world
and putting positivity out there.
And, like, that's enough for me. And I love that.
And Hugo's like, yeah, I like that too.
But then in the end, you find out that, like, it's because of
queer people that were doing this and because of one guy
loved his husband or whatever, that's why we're doing this.
So I just to me, that was a really poignant thing in a
Hallmark movie, which is really why I picked this movie, because
it demonstrates that, like queer people have always been here,
queer history is everybody's history and like, we leave our
mark on the world whether or not people know it or not.
So I just, I love that part of this movie.
I thought that was so good and an amazing point to make,
period. And it was fucking adorable.
Absolutely. I love it.
Love it. Love.
It love it. Love it.
OK last section before we end this is I watch this with my
wife so I have a gripes from the wife section.
Oh, I love this. Oh, I see.
You were Julie yesterday. So I'm just very quickly, these
are comments from Julie. They don't need to be rebutted.
They're just these are her comments.
Let's do it. So the meet cute that I
mentioned earlier with the Christmas tree?
Patrick asks. You go help me get the tree
because your mom picked the biggest and heaviest one off the
lot. They go outside to the pickup
truck and in the pickup truck is a normal sized Christmas tree.
So we thought that was hilarious and really weird.
Second thing in in the movie, they go see the Northern Lights
because of Patrick's app and it's like they're in Milwaukee
and it's like this beautiful green swirling, clearly CGI
thing. And Julie's like, that is not
how that happened because she went and saw it in like Iceland.
And her based on her experience, she's like and I thought this
line was just funny, which is why I put it in there.
She's like, you see a streak of green across the side and it
disappears and you think you're going crazy.
And that's the Northern Lights. And I was like, OK, Julie,
whatever. Thanks, Julie.
So. Ruined the magic.
Julie, which I'm sure is not everyone's experience, but that
was her line and I just thought, that comic, she's yelling at me
for the other room. Thanks, Julie.
It's your first appearance on the podcast.
OK, and last thing. At one point Hugo is waiting for
Patrick to get hot cocoa in the town, and Patrick doesn't show
up. So he's like, fuck it, I'll just
get it myself. So he hands the guy a $20 bill,
doesn't get any change, and then gets the coffee, I mean the
cocoa, and then drinks like 3 sips of it and then like throws
it in the trash when Patrick doesn't show up two minutes
later. So we're like, why did he spend
$20 on this hot cocoa? Because the conversation leading
up to it was like Hugo being like, well, let me tell you
about this hot cocoa in New York that's like, super pretentious
and, like expensive AF. And then Patrick, like, no, no,
no, small town one's better. But then here he is spending $20
on a small town hot cocoa. So we're like, what is this?
What the hell? And that concludes the Christmas
setup. Lesbian Jesus Hydration.
I'd give it a 10 out of 10, honestly.
For me, it hit all of the elements.
The Hallmark movie that was very queer, not just the main cast,
but you know, the drags, karaoke and then the historical gay
stuff. That's where it really sold it
for me. It was believable, It was a well
done movie. The transitions were all good.
The music, everything, dialogue, chemistry, 10 at a time.
Go watch it if you want a warm and fuzzy queer holiday movie.
Also, I know we keep talking about Hallmark.
It is a Lifetime movie. I know, I yeah, Hallmark style
movies is what I mean. I was just trying to be faster
about it. OK, so now on to a New York
Christmas wedding. So something that I think we
have to talk about is that this was filmed in 14 days and had a
shoestring budget. It is insane.
So we do not have a Carol or happiest season budget here.
No. But the first scene I wanted to
talk about, OK, well, let's start.
So basically it starts with Gabby, who with I believe is her
boyfriend. I mean, he should be at the
time, basically being all Coupley and Jennifer.
And this is when they're like teenagers setting up for Chris
the for Gabby to come over to decorate the tree, and she's
making eggnog and cookies and getting ready to tell her that
she likes her. So Gabby doesn't show up and she
gets pissed off because she knows that she's with him.
Who I still have. Not Vinny.
Vinny. Yeah, I I just realized there's
a scene later where she's screaming at Vinny.
So she says it enough that I should have known that right
away. And so, like, they get in a huge
fight and Jennifer goes on to be engaged to this guy, and then an
Angel appears on a bike, on a bike.
And I guess he's like texting or something and then he gets run
over by a car. So she is having had dinner with
the with the future in Laws, and the future in laws are
pretentious assholes. So she goes for a run and that's
when she sees the Angel get run over.
And I watched this movie three times in one night.
Just saying. Oh, OK, so Bree will help me out
with this movie, apparently. Yes, I did not like this movie.
I will be very quiet. We have a whole section for
Theor, so yes. And he basically puts her in
this alternate reality where Gabby is not dead because she's
dead by the time the movie starts.
Yeah, so we're we're like fixing the the lesbian diet.
Well, bisexual whatever, the queer's eyed trophy or.
Queer. Yes.
Yeah. So she wakes up with a dog
licking her face, which does she love anyway.
And she's so confused because she's in bed, not in Manhattan,
where she's used to being with a guy next to her.
Know that there's a female who is her best friend that's
supposed to be dead, throwing clothes at her, telling her to
get up. Yeah, 'cause that's.
I mean, have you ever, like, went on vacation when you woke
up, you're like, where the hell am I?
Yeah. Yeah.
That's like that times 1000. Anyway.
So basically she's trying to figure out what the hell is
going on. And that day they're supposed to
have a meeting with Father Kelly.
So they are religious. And now we go to church.
After we figure out that she's in an alternate reality, she has
48 hours to figure. Shit out, I guess.
Two days, Caitlin. It's two days.
It's two days, 2 days. Two days, two weeks, two months.
Those are the only options you get.
When you're queer, you only get multiples of two.
That's it. So Gabby and Jennifer sit down
with Father Kelly to talk about getting married in the church.
So he, I guess he did a sermon the week before talking about
how queer people can't get married or something.
I don't know. They never actually mentioned
the sermon. So Gabby mentions how she has
always gone to him in times of need because her family was
never supportive of her, so like, he was always the first
person she'd go to for advice. And that Jennifer and Gabby were
both raised in the church, they were baptized, confirmed first
communion, all of it. And so Gabby's like, we would
really love to get married in this church.
Like, this is where we want to be, This is our home and we want
you to marry us. And this asshole is like, I'll
have to pray on it. Like, come on dude, I thought we
were past this. No, we're not.
The church is not past this. No.
So I don't, like, know how to feel about this scene.
Like half of me hates it, but like the other half knows that
this is what happens in real life and that not everyone's
accepting, even though the Pope literally told them to accept
everybody. Go ahead and breathe that I have
something that's not related to add.
Think that it's interesting to see him think through everything
that Gabby brings up, because you have to.
Like Jennifer's sitting here silent because she has no idea
what the fuck's going on. She didn't know she was engaged
to her dead best friend. She didn't know what they're at
this meeting for. She didn't know that her best
friend was pregnant as a teenager.
Yeah, she didn't. And she didn't know, you know,
why, how she died or why she just kind of cut her off.
So this is all very disconcerting for her.
And she's just kind of over in the corner.
Like, uh huh. Sure.
And like. What is my life, right?
Now Father Kelly's over here having a crisis of like, faith,
and what am I supposed to do with this?
And OK, if the Pope's saying this, I have to think about it.
So that's interesting. The interesting one of the
interesting things about this movie to me was the fact of
Father Kelly's journey going through, coming around listening
to things that are said by queer Catholic people in that time
where we had the new Pope and he was saying, like, WTF gay
people? OK, now the aura.
I have breaking news. I'm sorry, this just in Gripes
from the Wife Part 2. Oh, here we go.
I've been misquoted. I've been misquoted, I said.
It doesn't start full blown like that.
It starts small then grows. Sorry.
Yeah, my experience. OK, all right.
No. My experience was that it was
like full blown out my window. I got just terrified.
I I scared the shit out of me because I kept looking because
we. All right.
So I was in Iceland, we were both in Iceland.
I believe this was Iceland. We were in the very north of it.
So and I made sure that we were out in the middle of nowhere
basically. So I kept checking before I go
in bed and I feel like is that it?
Is that it? Is that it?
And then right before I was about to go to bed, I look up
and there's just like this huge green thing and I'm like, what
the hell? But it was like.
And then it was like the squirrels all around, that's
all. Real.
Yeah, exactly. It's just like the starting of
it. Stain.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, cool. So yeah, you you doesn't just
like, open. Like, right.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
They're just like, they're the the way it's shot in the movie
is like they're talking, looking at each other and all of a
sudden there's just like a ton of green and it's like.
Dude, how dare you do really dirty like that, Theora.
I just love the part where she was like and you feel like
you're going crazy. Yeah.
I love that Julie made sure to correct.
I can actually hear. Her say that in my head so.
I love Julie. Julie's great.
I know. OK, but so you know you're.
Fucking gay news, that's all. It was important.
The Northern Lights are very. We have to correct our, you
know, misquotations. We do not want to put words in
people's mouths. OK, so this scene, I'm very kind
of also confused by the fact that if Jennifer and Gabby were
together the whole time, Father Kelly isn't accepting.
But if they weren't together and Gabby did die back then Father
Kelly goes on to like officiate so many same sex marriages gets
removed from the church. So like how does the?
I don't understand the difference.
He has the revelation with or without them, right, Is the
storyline. So if you kind of look at the
two stories and think about it, so Father Kelly with them,
they're the catalytic. Like Gabby's protestation of
this is, he's always been accepting of them, but he's not
to the point where he was willing to say, OK, I will marry
you officially in church in front of everyone.
And then the other storyline, he never really came to that part
of it like openly marrying people.
He only did it behind closed doors.
So it tells you he was accepting of everyone but officially out
in the open. He didn't feel like he could in
the other timeline and she never meets him in the other timeline.
Really. Cuz why?
Would she? Yeah, so it's that.
And if you if you think about what he says when he is married,
like in that one scene where he's marrying everybody, he has
talked to every single one of those people that he pulled on
stage, so. He wasn't marrying.
Everybody. I mean where he's marrying those
two and giving everyone the the same sex couple, same sex
couples, the first communion, whatever the the queer couples,
the first communion because we don't know how they identify.
We're talking about. That scene next, actually.
So he's counseled every single one of those people.
I imagine they set this whole thing up.
So he's talked to all of them about it.
They're all cool with what's going on.
OK, that is not my opinion on this scene.
OK, so I start the next scene out that we're going to talk
about. I wrote.
The priest outs all the queers of the church because everyone
looks confused, OK? Well, like Jennifer definitely
doesn't understand what's Jennifer doesn't understand.
But he talked to Gabby beforehand.
So I imagined he talked to all the other queers.
I I don't know. But like that that I don't.
In my head, it just looks like he's.
Outing everybody in the church. I think that's a that is a
mistake of the not having a line about that in this.
Yeah, but like, yeah, at first glance he's just like, 'cause,
like, you presume as a priest, he's talked to people in
private, so. Yeah, he's like, how do you
fucked up with that? Because she.
Asked later, how did this happen like and she's like, well,
Father Kelly set it all up, yeah.
And then, Dad. But we didn't talk to them.
No, they mean. In my mind, he did talk to them
because they need. To say that for me because.
Again, if you just. Look at the scene.
He's like Montez, you're gay. Get up here.
Well, and like, 'cause he's talking about the couple, so
he's obviously said, hey, do. You want your first communion as
a sense couple. I didn't know you did Communions
as a couple. I didn't know either.
I'm like. As a couple and remotely
Catholic, I I was raised Catholic, but I didn't know
couples did it. It's just like in the
congregation or whatever, you would just go up 1 by 1 to do
the community. Catholic listeners, is that a
real? One by one, yeah, it was just
that. If you were, you know he
wouldn't do like couple you. Couldn't get communion.
So, like, if you're not, if you don't have your, if you didn't
go through the first, like, Holy Communion thing, you can't get
communion at church. So my dad didn't do that.
So he sits in the Pew. I see every time we have a
funeral because that's the only time he goes to church.
Got. It right I quit during my
communion journey, so I didn't get that far.
I stopped in 4th grade, so I was just not what's the thing?
Yeah, confirmation. I didn't do.
Confirmation is 8th grade. That's what it was and I was
like, I'd rather play sports. I'd like to.
Confirm that I would not have done that either because.
You also have to like pick a new middle name for that or
something. Yeah, which is why in my, my
family, like in Italian Americans, we don't have middle.
We don't aren't given middle names because you're supposed to
pick your own when you go through confirmation.
So I That's why I don't have a middle name actually.
Bree and I pick Theora's middle name.
Actually, it's Cersei, yes, which is a fat ass name.
And it goes with my Greek first name, yes.
That's we have we. I should find the we spent.
Time talking about There was so much big gay energy that went
into that. Love it.
OK, so yes, so after the priest outs all the queers in the
church, he is doing his sermon about, oh, I just love this love
and we see people get up and leave because they are
homophobic and good we didn't want you there anyway.
Yeah. I gotta flick out.
All right, you can go be part of a homophobic church.
There's. Plenty.
Plenty of them out there. We actually have a very
accepting one that displays a pride flag and a trans flag
outside of it, and it makes me feel so happy every time I drive
by it. It's it's like, OK, so again, if
you're only Listening Theora's camera, if you didn't watch our
High School Musical, which is not out yet.
It will come out after this. So never mind, I just realized
this is a preview. I just spoiled what's next.
So Theora's camera now likes to do animations when she does
something. What else can you do?
Like some. At one point it gave a thumbs
down like. I don't know.
It's like, OK basically I have an Apple computer and it updated
and then apparently this is part of the update because people
needed this and so it just randomly does emojis and I won't
turn it off because I think it's funny when it randomly happens.
I love it. Right.
You should always do the heart when there's queer things.
Going I will from now on. Yay.
I love it. OK.
Sorry for the distraction. I didn't.
I've learned something new during this recording.
We always new to. Start noting down like what the
reactions actually are to what. Or we can actually look them up.
That's why. No, no, it's more fun with it.
We have to like discover. It naturally because then it's
fun. It is OK.
So Father, as we talked about Father Kelly gives all the
queers communion, which apparently wasn't allowed.
And then for some reason I don't.
I don't like this. OK?
For some reason he marries Gabby and Jenny right there.
And I guess the other queers are their wedding party.
I guess. But like this is a normal church
service, so that means like a bunch of people in the
congregation. They're just scared to pray,
they. Have to be there.
And also, like, don't you want your wedding to be, like, really
special? Not a surprise wedding like?
Hey, some people would like a surprise way.
Jennifer feels like a little more controlling in that aspect,
like and you see that in the scene afterwards with the dress.
I know you like the scene, Bree, but I I had a little issue with
it because she was like complaining about how she didn't
have a dress all the time and how that's what she's gonna
remember. Like, yeah, this wasn't her
ideal wedding, but the the the communication between those two
are is never good. Well, that's The thing is like
you don't get to see them before like when they were actually
together. So we don't know what their
communication was like when they were actually like in this other
reality, whatever timeline. So we'd actually don't know what
their relationship is like. We just know what it's like with
Jennifer from the other. Yeah, I just, I feel like the
the relationship was a little weird this like whole movie
because like she's trying to figure out who this person is.
Like she doesn't even know this person from her other reality
because she's not there. Because that's how I.
That's one of the reasons I liked it.
Well, I'm glad. I think I like this movie for
all the reasons that everyone doesn't like it.
Well, OK, so while watching this, I know, like, some of the
things that I'm saying sounds like I don't like it.
That's not true. Like there's a reason I I'm
talking about this as my favorite.
So I wanted to figure out, like, exactly why I remember.
Well, OK, so the real reason why I remember this movie is there's
an editing mistake. So that's why it's in my head.
I think they fixed that one. But I found another one.
But, and it's not relevant right now, but I was trying to put
myself back to where I was when I first saw this movie in 2020,
and I think I figured out why that I liked it.
And at the time, I hadn't really seen any queer movies,
especially Christmas ones. I still haven't, obviously.
Like I'm still working on this list that I have now.
I've watched way too many this week, and I had only been out
for like 2 years at the time that I've seen this.
And before I came out, I always hated when people said that I'd
get married one day. Like I wouldn't correct them and
say no, I won't because like that apparently that's what you
do. You're supposed to get married
one day. And I was just like very
uncomfortable. And I finally figured out one
day that it was because I could never see myself with a guy and
that was the whole issue. And this movie was the first
time I got to see two women together getting married and
just being happy together. And I'm pretty sure that like
that wedding scene and then just being there together and having
everyone support them. And you see the queers, they're
also cheering them on. I'm pretty sure that is the
reason that my mom called me crying after watching the movie
and telling me that I needed to watch it.
Aw aw. Moms.
That is important that the representation matters, you
know, Yeah. Like, no matter what, like just
getting to see that that is important.
So all of these question movies are important in one way or
another, but now we're going to talk about theor's favorite part
of this entire movie that I'm assuming.
Does she have a favorite part? Yes.
All right. Let's talk about that plot
twist. It is the creepiest fucking
thing ever. Which is why I will never watch
this movie ever again. Why?
This is this is one of the things I actually like.
No, this is so creepy in a Christmas movie.
So, like, this just shows you, like, we all we we're accepting
of other people's opinions, 'cause we don't ever like we
don't always agree with each other either.
We find out at the end of the film that the Angel Jennifer
meets is actually Gabby's son. And I mean the way that they do
that, Like, his name is gavison. Yeah, and that.
Was like dumb as hell, but I chalked up to it being like a
cheesy Christmas thing. And like he, like literally
says, Gabby said. Like she they should have had
her like start saying it and realize it, not him actually
saying. Actually slow it down for her.
It's like Michael and Miguel from Warrior Done.
Yeah. Like, what the fuck exactly.
Go on now. So he's Gabby's son who died now
I just hear the last name. He's still still.
Born. Yeah, he was still born at 29
weeks, so I don't know how he aged, but who knows the
afterlife well? He was like in the heavens and.
Things. And then Gabby basically died
the same way that we did that we did.
That. He did that, that, that how we
met him. She walked out into traffic
basically and like got ran over by a car.
Yes, so, like, I like the Pop Tist.
Only because it caught me off guard and I had no idea it was
coming And like they had from the beginning.
Why would you see dead like dead fetus guardian Angel coming like
why is this in my Christmas? Movie I just I hilarious.
No, this is the fucking creepiest thing they could.
Have thought it was hilarious and I was like, what the fuck?
No, no, like this is a great idea.
No, I draw. The line at dead fetus, Guardian
Angel. I know what I'm getting Fiora
for. Christak.
No, absolutely not. The minute they started going
here, I was like, no, no, no, no.
And I think we were just screaming at the TV watching
this cause, like, why? Why is this the plot twist?
This is so weird. No, get out of here with us.
It's fun watching stuff with the Orange Julie.
It's very entertaining when I told.
OK, when I told her we were doing this episode, I was like,
oh, you watch Christmas movies with me?
She's like, yeah, as long as it's not this one.
And then I was like, no, they picked it.
No, I draw the line. That is what I draw the line
because like it like again, I personally like the Hallmark
movies and that like and I mean Hallmark as in that style.
Dead Fetus Guardian Angels don't show up in that, and I don't
want that in my holiday movie, in a in a haunting, in a horror
movie. I'm gonna talk to Kristen and
see like, hey. No, don't put that in those
television. Those movies are perfect as they
are. The next movie?
You'll never see it coming. There has to be.
You have to have. Kristen put a joke in there
about it. Then don't do this.
It's just weird. Like this is a dead fetus,
inhuman. Like a grown up version talking
to us and like, guiding us through the whole movie.
It's so fucking. Weird.
It would have been better if you had the fetus at the age that he
had died. No, this guy could have been
anybody, Any other guy. It's so creepy.
OK, so Kristen, if you end up hearing this at all, your next
Christmas movie, they should have like a random scene where
they're listening to this episode of the podcast and
debating. Christmas movies?
That'd be great. And you name drop us.
Yeah, that'd be great. Love you.
Kristen. Name.
Drop us there. You go there.
You. Go.
OK, so we are. We've been doing this pretty
long now, so I'm gonna get through this a little quicker,
'cause there's not much more. So, like the queer
representation, I mean, it was there, 'cause they're queer and.
They're queer. They got married.
Yeah, the movie just like really try to tackle religious
homophobia, which is a lot in this world, but it just felt a
little rushed with that whole storyline.
I'm like, why and how what, 14 days?
You said that they shot this in Oh.
Yeah, I thought we were going with.
It was like. Two weeks, 2 weeks, 2 days
again. Yeah, the tracks.
For this movie, 2 weeks. OK, two days.
But there are some things I don't like.
I mean, I've said a lot of them, but this is more like production
aspects. And again, 14 days, it's a lot
small budget. The chemistry and acting wasn't
amazing, but I mean it's passable.
It's just I don't the chemistry between the two leads, it was
very disconnected. I felt like, right.
Because they didn't really know each other, or one of them
didn't really know the other one.
Yeah, 14 days. All right.
So in a lot of the They have a lot of handheld shots in this
movie and they added nothing to the story and it just felt like
they couldn't afford a tripod. Oh.
Just sometimes cause like they overused it and it made no
sense. Especially in that last church
scene. That last church scene I have
some issues with because there's also the lazy editing when it
goes from one side of them and it's when the the Jennifer is
like with the other dude and he she sees the Angel dude and then
she's like, I got to go back and then I think he kisses her.
And when you switch to that, there's they zoom out really
quickly. There's it's one.
Frame. They all they had to do was cut
this one frame and we wouldn't have noticed that weird zoom out
thing. So like how did that go through?
Everybody watching it and they're like Yep, that's good,
that's just something. And then also crossfades we
talking. Fade what?
It's your favorite thing. A lot.
Here, OK, why do we need them? Like again, we've talked about
how crossfades are like to only show the passing of time.
So like, I understand if they wanted to like that's why she's
late. But everything she does in these
crossfades is like 5 minutes of time.
Like she's not like getting ready for anything.
Like, she's just like, she literally gets her clothes, she
puts them on, she feeds the dog and she goes like, they're.
I want to find a crossfade lover to come on and debate you.
OK, well actually. I'll just get my crossfade
teacher that told me no, that's the reason this is happening.
Anything else about the movie you want to talk about for?
I'd never seen. I had never heard of it or seen
it before, and I have this thing where there'll be one specific
reason or part of a film that will grab me, and that's why I
watched it three times. And also I like the kind of
speculative nature of the the whole plot idea.
Do I think it was all executed perfectly?
No. But there's not a lot of queer
Christmas movies that are executed perfectly, so I didn't
have the problem with the dead. The dead, I mean if.
You think about him. I'm just more concerned like try
to figure out how he aged. He cracked me up.
It's he's in heaven, OK? Anyway, I was kind of I I
really, I guess it kind of also reminded me of me and my best
friend when I was like in high school.
So that I had a nostalgia aspect with that because we would have
kind of similar issues, if you will, like, oh, you're you're
supposed to be hanging out with me, but you're with this dude
that you've been talking to and didn't tell me and blah blah
blah. And it's not like we're in a
couple or anything anyway. So that and I also like the
actress that plays Gabby. Who is?
I don't remember. OK, never mind.
Doesn't matter. You're going to have to look it
up. I can't.
You won't let me. Know OK, how much would you
hydrate for lesbian Jesus for this Caitlin?
My rating went down since we talked about.
She's going to say 5, She's going to say 5.
I was going to say like I was gonna say 6 1/2, but I think
like 6. Fair.
Again, probably not what you expected when I told to pick my
favorite movie, but you know what?
You You win some, you lose some Christmas set up.
Watch that one. Yeah, so good.
OK, so now that Adriana Demio. So now that we've talked about
the ones we pictures our favorite, let's go off into the
ranting section, which is basically about the happiest
season. But before, like before we like
go off about this movie, I do want to say like there are
positives to the movie because like Carol, this was one of the
this was a big deal when it came out because it was like one of
the first, like explicit holiday movie for a sapphic focused
queer couple with a high budget. And like like a list actors in
it, like Kristen Stewart's in it, Mackenzie's in it, like
Aubrey Plaza, obviously a fave, isn't it?
So like it was a big deal like when it came out, but it was
marketed as happy and it's not, which is my issue with it.
And I will say that something that I do like about the happy
season is the soundtrack. The soundtrack is so good for
this movie. I listen to it every year.
It's really, really good. Is there anything else you
wanted to add? Positive, Caitlyn.
Yes. Actually, OK.
So. I like this movie now that I
saw. I've watched a bunch of others
only because it's well made, like the people that the acting
is good, the chemistry is good. I mean Albie, Praza and Kristen.
Yeah, you have the chemistry between the two lanes exactly
like I have. Said that, but that's casting's
fault. The writing of this movie's.
Fault. Yes.
Can we talk? But you can't finish like in the
finish. Sorry, maybe I have issues with
the. Aubrey and Kristen shouldn't
have gone to the bar together, but you know what?
That was a great scene. It is a great scene.
In the movie, one of the only redeeming scenes in it was.
Also shot very well and it was like very aesthetically it's a.
Quality. But movie?
Yes. So on social media, someone
replied to one of our stories and it brought me to a comment
that they made a year ago when we talked about this movie The
first time. So their name is Cole.
I am not 100% sure on pronouns we're going to use they them.
So this is some of their thoughts and I said that I'd
share them. You guys actually had multiple
conversations with them in during gate which energy.
So nice to meet you, Cole. So their points are first big
release of a lesbian Christmas movie on a major platform, which
is very important. And it was like the most
important of this movie to show that there was a viewership for
it because like, no one wanted to do it because they're like,
no one's going to watch that. No, we will watch it.
And it was the most watched original Hulu original on
opening weekend. So there's very important
aspects of it and. There, there was potential.
Yeah, well, the reason it was so watch is because we were
marketed a happy queer movie, and that's not what we got when
we got the movie. So like, yes and we technically.
Ended happy. Did it.
But the whole the whole movie is not happy.
The whole movie like it's called Happiest Season and the entire
movie, the leads are miserable. The entire movie except 5
minutes at the beginning, the end, like 2 minutes at the end
and the end credits, That is not a happy movie.
So like it's false advertising this movie.
That's my problem with it. Like everything you said about
it is all true. Well done movie well shot lots
of money. It was a big deal because of
what it was. But the movie itself no.
Like it was falsely advertised as a happy movie and it and it
isn't. It's like, why do we constantly,
as queer people, get these movies that are just sad the
whole fucking time? It's supposed to be a Hallmark
style movie where it's actually happy, like the Christmas setup.
Like, this is not that movie. It's about an abusive
relationship. I don't want to watch this for
my like my freaking holiday movie.
Like, no. My 1 positive about this movie
is Aubrey Plaza. Yes, she was so good.
I'd rather OK, here's the deal. I would much rather the Hallmark
style movie which is actually about her as the lead, where she
comes home from the big city where she's a big doctor, comes
home to the small town. Her ex is there with her new
girlfriend and Aubrey has to find love.
That would be a that's the happiest season.
Like and steals the girton girlfriend from the ex.
Yeah or like. Or makes friends with her and
finds a New Girl. Either way it doesn't matter.
Like that is more a happy queer movie, not the movie we got.
This movie was just about a relationship where they don't
commute. Like, I'm like what is the
movie? And like, like, I don't know,
the leads all of their scenes together.
Most of them are just like, it's just like Kristen Stewart spends
90% of that movie sad. Like, no, that's not that is not
the happiest. Not even the family.
I mean Jane. Jane.
Oh, my God. I want to protect Jane at all
costs. Seriously.
And the way the family treats Jane is genuinely upsetting in
this movie, you know. Yeah, like they'll pull me off.
Yeah, I had a Jane movie. As.
Well, if they're trying to play it for comedy, it doesn't come
across comedy. It comes across as absolute
like. Cruel.
It's cruel. Yeah, exactly.
And like, I don't want that in my holiday movie.
Like, put that in a drama somewhere else.
That's. Why it was so funny to see Fran
in the Christmas setup? Because she was like loving
everybody and she just wants everyone to be happy and do
these Christmas traditions and that that wasn't this movie.
So I do understand that. Yeah, but like, I I was one of
those people who were so watched it when it first came out.
Like, I was super excited about this.
Mike Cleo Duvall is making a Sapphic holiday movie with
fucking Kristen Stewart in it. Like, it's so exciting.
And then I watched it and I was like gaslit the first time
because I was excited about it. I was like, OK, maybe it's not
that bad. My wife is like, no, I'll never
watch this again. And I should listen to her.
And I was like, no, it's not that bad.
It's not bad. Then I watched it again and I
was like, no, this movie really isn't good.
Like this is a movie that like I cause Clea wrote it based on her
own experience, kind of like Carol.
So it's like it's a movie that should have been made like 20
years ago where like coming out was a big deal and like families
were more homophobic and like there was that fear to tell
people. I don't want that now important
story to tell, but like that is not happy or a traditional
holiday movie for queer people. This is a holiday movie for
queer people when we weren't allowed to be queer 20 years ago
based on Clea Duvall's experience.
So. It's sad when the movie The
movie that's set in the 1950s, has happier queer people in it
than the movie that just is. Yeah, it was very just there's
just too many upsetting elements to this movie and it just, it
had potential and it was so exciting when it was being
marketed and to be like, finally we get what all the straight
people take for granted with these holiday movies.
And then it wasn't that, it was just 90 minutes of just sad
Kristen Stewart miscommunication, angst, family
abusing Jane. Like I was like I don't want
this, This is just, it makes it makes me upset the actual movie
itself. Every time I watch it and just
hear Jane get, like, really killed by everyone.
It's, it's just. Genuinely upsetting a lot of
things in this movie and I just, I want it to be better, but it's
just I don't like the story. And then they don't support her
until she actually gets her book published and stuff.
I know. I want to read her book.
I really want to have a conversation with Clearly Duvall
about how like the relationship between these two, like why and
how like in in a Christmas movie.
Yes. In a.
Christmas movie. If this was not set in the time
period, and for the reason that it was, it would have been
different. No 'cause the premise of the
movie is that Kristen Stewart is ready to propose to her
girlfriend and she's never met this girl's family.
Like, that's a major red flag in the modern time.
Like, yeah, it's just there's too many red flags in this movie
for me to to, like, believe it and, like, be invested in the
ship. They're trying to get me to
ship, and I'm like, no, I'd rather Kristen Stewart be with
somebody who sees her, like, listens to her, tries to help
her. Like Aubrey Plaza was a much
more believable love interest for her because of how they
actually communicate on screen. Like too much of Harper and Abby
happens off screen for me to believe it, you know?
So yeah, Riley. Riley.
Yeah, I'll replace this character.
What a fucking name. Like, why wasn't that the lead
calling? Fine.
Come on. Like okay.
I like the movie exists because it gave us that character who's
so iconic. And we have Jane who exists like
fucking like love Jane and. Now I pissed off.
No one apologized. I'm so sorry.
About the painting, yes, yes, about the painting.
That's fucked up. It's so fucked.
Yeah, exactly. I love Jane so much.
Like, there's elements I like in the movie.
I just wish it was a different story with the characters,
that's all. That's all I'm saying.
Like, I respect it for what it was trying to do, Cleo, for
doing, you know, a big movie like this, The soundtrack, like
it's it's amazing, but the story is not what I want and it's just
it's there's too many red flags personally.
But I will take it over the fetus Angel, because that is so
weird and creepy. It didn't have a fetus Angel, so
there's that. Anything else about the happiest
season before I bring someone else?
Can somebody please make an actual Happy Season movie?
I want to write it. I want to write a big gay
Christmas. Movie.
Oh my God, could you imagine You have a big director?
Producer. Let's do it, huh?
What do you say, Christmas? I said you have an in with a
producer, director of Christmas movies.
I was like, I'm going to write this, I'm going to write the
script. Can we, Krista, can we make that
game Christmas is? Going to send it to Chris?
No. Christmas Make a Christmas
Synergy I. Really want to write us.
I do really want to write a Christmas movie now though, and
I've been kind of playing with script writing for a while, so
you never know. I love writing scripts there.
I I mean that I had to do it for school so easier.
All right, we will not hydrate for lesbian Jesus for the
heaviest season. We've said enough about it, so.
Even though I'm thirsty, I'm not drinking.
Anything. Hold on.
I have, I have just like we don't have it written down.
I had it for Riley. We're, yes.
We can't talk too much about it because you have to buy it now
to watch it. But Bree and I have been going
off about under the Christmas tree for a while and I don't
remember why we don't like it. I remember hating that movie
also, but I don't remember it. But like you had to pay for it
to watch it. None of us, like we, refuse to
buy. This we got this.
So like the I know the chemistry was bad between the two but
that. Story being bad.
The. Haircut.
Oh yeah, it was like the haircut as well.
Oh, was that the Elise Batman? It's like I was the tree city of
trees or whatever. That fucking movie.
No, no, no. The the tree whisperer comes in
finds the. Perfect tree.
But she has to be. My gosh, I remember.
To cut down the. Tree and all that good stuff and
it's like Caitlyn was at my house for Christmas last year
and we watched this movie and we just sat there the entire time,
kind of what the hell is, what are we watching?
Like I was excited because I love Elise Mauman and then I
was. I don't know what the word is.
Confused I was. Confused.
Disappointed. I wanted my those moments of my
life back. But it's genuinely happy though,
so like as like I will take it over the happiest season.
That makes me angry. Good.
So there's that. You're about to say the feet of
space. At least take it over this baby.
Yeah. At least there's like comedy.
It's like it's got all the hallmarky movie elements.
It's like obsessed with Christmas.
Small town like big job, little job.
Literally. Works.
Her job is. Christmas.
Her job is Christmas. It's one of those things.
Also another one that I didn't like looking for her.
Nothing happens for SO. Long.
Oh my God, that. Movie.
That movie had potential because of what the premise was, but I
didn't understand what time it was in that film because the
movie opens with the girl, the main girl at home, and she gets
multiple voicemails on her landline from her parents and
then her ex, and then I'm like, okay.
So this is like the 90s. Then a few scenes later, she has
an iPhone and I'm like, okay. Why are people leaving
voicemails on your landline when you have an iPhone?
Especially your ex who you haven't talked to in a while.
Who? Calls.
Somebody's landline to leave a voicemail, Like, just text her,
obviously. I do when I call her up against.
Movie. Huh.
I do it when I call my grandmother, so actually I hate
that. Your ex who's the same age as
you, That's no she's saying is her grandmother so obviously but
Oh my God it's a wild. But then like my problem with
that movie, I like the setup. I like the concept, but the
actor girlfriend doesn't have a personality and that's what I
don't like about it because it's like, who is this person?
She's just a smile the entire movie.
She's just has no personality. City of trees is the same.
It's the same people. And I'm just like, no, that one
I felt like had more potential. Like if I could take the kind of
the relationship in that and then pull it outside of that
movie and write it, I could. Yeah, their relationship was
their relationship was better. It's the movie or I was weird.
Yeah, I was like, this is weird. It's weird.
Anyway, yeah, there's what you're trying to do.
There's plenty of bad movies, which is why we didn't make this
a bad movie marathon, because we would never shut up.
No, we wouldn't. Theore and I have talked a
little bit about like before, like the the the lesbian movies,
they need some work. Yeah.
Overall themes that I noticed or that we noticed is basically
like the Achillean movies, like the male presenting, male
presenting leads. Those movies overall are better
quality, like overall like budget, the way it's done, the
actors they get on board, the stories.
It's more in line with what like straight people get a million
movies per year of. So my hope is that like the
female presenting queer movies will get better in quality as
those movies are more successful.
It's just it's unfortunate that you know it lags we we are
lagging behind the other movies. But overall like each year the
movies get better. I feel so.
Can we actually get some representation for other queer
people? I mean it's not just to and we
did get, like we said, we got a non binary lead in marrying gay,
marrying gay slash whatever the fuck.
Christmas with love. But that's like one, right?
You can have more than one. Exactly.
But I'm I'm really, really hopeful and I'm really scared
I'm going to be disappointed in the new movie that's coming out
in the 17th. And I forget which lifetime or
homework it is. And I forget the name.
It's something friends and family.
But I'm really excited for it, yeah.
We don't get excited. I don't get excited anymore
until I'm watching it and it if it's good.
According to our calendar, it's friends and family and it's
Hallmark, Hallmark and Lifetime are basically the same thing
when we're talking about Christmas holiday movies.
Yes, it's interchangeable. However, Lifetime is the one who
took down an ad because it had the same sex couple that's
fucked up wedding thing. And then that that was around
the same time that a New York Christmas wedding came out.
So like that came out after all that happened.
Googles over this episode. Speaking of which, yeah.
Yes. Yeah.
OK, let's get to the secret word then.
If you made it this far in the episode, we want to know because
it's very interesting to see who actually, like, listens to the
whole thing. I am going to give you a secret
word that we want to challenge you to use in a comment or
podcast review because those are very entertaining without
looking up the spelling. OK, so today's secret word, I
will say it the right way and then the way I heard it growing
up. So the word is poinsettia.
OK, now the way I heard it growing up is poinsettia, which
is why I don't know how to spell this word.
Have fun, Enjoy. All right, well, we hope that
this gave you an intro into your holiday movies for the holidays,
and I hope you check them out. Let us know what you think.
And if you have any other holiday movie wrecks, please
leave them in the comments because we're always looking for
more. There's plenty out there.
We just couldn't cover it all in one episode, so.
Maybe next year. Talk about, if you like, the
movies that we said that we. Didn't.
Yeah, No. Again, like we said, there's
positives and negatives to all of these movies.
We just categorized them the way we did for simplicity's sake.
So yeah, please just let us know.
Hopefully we can come talk to us in the Discord.
Yes, come back to us in the Discord.
Talk to us. Maybe we'll do another episode
like this next year when we have more movies to talk about based
on your Rex and new stuff. But until next time, drink your
cocoa for lesbian Jesus. And holigate it up all over the
place.