Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy.
I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come
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It's finally time for warrior none.
Get ready. Because how often do you have a
show about nuns? Never we just don't get that for
reasons but so when I saw there was something coming out called
Warrior non back in the day and season, one did come out.
And I do three years ago, I was very intrigued.
And as soon as it came out, I devoured the entire thing, it is
quirky and campy and it head-on tackled religion, and kind of
Made fun of it but also took the consequences of it.
Seriously. And it was one of the most
interesting series to consume and digest.
But it left me with a need to pick apart all of the component.
So I could understand what the showrunners are trying to tell
us and now I have the perfect people to do that with So
alright, so we've all watched the series, don't make fun of me
right now. She think about me, it's fine.
What? Don't you do from Kimmy Schmidt,
Titus does his like, Gotcha. Yeah.
All right, I'm here for that. I am here for the occasion.
It's perfectly appropriate. So we have to start this where
the whole series starts and that's with Ava, she's so cute.
So it's Ava The Good, The Annoying, the smartass She's all
of these things and you have to kind of put yourself in her
shoes. Unfortunately, we do that with
voice overs which is not my favorite form of Storytelling.
In a show I feel like it's lazy. However, We deal with it and we
first meet Ava. She's a quadriplegic in an
orphanage. She's 19.
And she's about to age out of the orphanage and where the hell
else is she gonna go nowhere? And we also meet the nun that
primarily takes care of her sister, Frances who I think
Caitlyn would have interesting conversations with because she
likes to murder people. Not me.
Minding the murder. There was a lot more outside of
episodes, but like, Promise. I'm not we're not pro murder
here. In Russia, in real life.
So, Ava, never got to be a normal child because she has
been in this orphanage since she was a little wee babe of it was
the thing I was seven. And she goes straight from being
a quadriplegic to having don't like being alive again and also
having divine power like she's now a superhuman.
So it's a very big change. She can walk for the first time
and we get a lot of scenes in the beginning of her being so
excited about actually being able to move her body how she
wants to. And that has to be the one of
the most liberating. Eating things in the world.
I can't imagine going from one extreme to the other.
It says, she's also having to process all of these things
she's never been outside that she's never been outside the the
orphanage. And so, she doesn't know how to
do anything in the world. She's Practical.
She's an innocent in a way though.
She has obviously consumed some media and read books.
So she knows some things that are going down, but she doesn't
know how to move through the world and she meets up with some
randos who we don't really care about the main person.
That's important is the The dude who's her love interest JC?
And I'm like did you guys do that on purpose?
Because JC Jesus Christ, I don't finish a see ya.
I was too busy staring at Ava that's perfectly valid but yes
his name is JC and he's not annoying but the situation like
why do we need that? I know that he's actually very
supportive of her. Yeah, it's very good.
It's sweet to her like he's a good guy.
It's just He's someone else also.
Like, what is this? Plotline, I don't care.
Get back to the nuns. Do we not have more?
Like we didn't need all of this outside.
I need the nurse. Yeah, get to the nuns.
Like to stress is applied. I'm just like enough with this.
There's too much we needed to figure.
I have no idea what this shows about, by the way.
I see I've watched it one and a half times.
And the plot is still confusing me a little bit, maybe because I
refuse to call these people by their actual names.
That's because it's not really revealed until the end like they
slowly reveal. What's going on?
It's yes. And so at the end you're like oh
Exactly, and another section. But yeah, that's why.
So one and a half times makes sense like this at the end, they
tell you what's going on, yeah, sorry, no, no, you're good.
But yeah, the randos knows, we don't really have the ran do
serve a purpose in the plot and that's about it aside from j.c.,
who is more in it than the others.
But I still think that the way Ava dealt with the whole
situation, I don't know. I don't know if it was done well
enough or not. So she's got this Halo in her
back. Put there by the person who was
supposed to transfer the Halo, into the next Warrior nun, and
she just happened to be a convenient dead body hanging
around. So, now she's got this thing in
her back and all these people are after her for different
people and demons are after her for the different reasons.
And she's in a sea of what the hell do I do?
And how do I get through this? The girl has no money has no, so
yeah, the randos serve that purpose as a landing place for
Ava, before the nuns find her Because, so, thanks a lot Ava is
running away from her responsibilities Ava doesn't
even know what her responsibilities are.
Right? She can finally run, just let
her run. Yeah.
She's like, oh man, I can run. This is cool.
She doesn't know what she's supposed to be doing or like,
why she, as she didn't ask for this, she's just there.
It's like they just stuck her in this situation, super-fun times
thing I enjoy about Ava. Okay.
The positives. She tells the same kind of jokes
that I do bad puns. Dad jokes.
That kind of thing. Probably why I like her.
She cute just like yeah there are points of which I'm like
you're being annoying girl. So stop.
And that's not due to the actress.
That's just the right. And I just like the writing
annoyed me a little bit of that character and like I get it but
it's still annoyed me sometimes. And that's pretty much all I got
to say about Ava. Anybody got something else?
She's really cute. She is cute and pretty.
And waking up and just literally screaming.
I don't know. She's just, she's a great
actress. I feel like she's a good.
Yeah you killed was going to kiss.
Yeah she's yeah. She you can only work with what
you're given and No, I have no idea where I'm going.
Continue looser. There's no point at which I
doubted her skill. It's been a long day.
Okay. All right.
The aura has a problem with the reluctant hero Trope and I'd
like you to expand upon. Yeah.
I don't like Ava. Generally, if you're an avid
fan, I'm sorry if this makes you bad.
She annoys the crap out of me for most of the show because she
falls under the reluctant hero Trope, which I don't like in
general. I honestly hate that Trope.
I particularly don't like, the way it is done here and I think
it has part partially because it's like a teenager in this is
all like Teenage crap or it's like And it get an Ava gets
called out on this as the show goes on, but Ava is incredibly
selfish and her actions are incredibly selfish and I can't
stand that in this situation because there's all this crap
that happens. That's bad directly because of
her being selfish like what happens to Lilith and like
basically like it drags out the plot because it's like can you
just can you just do this so we can move on.
But instead we have to go with the randos for like six.
Those because you won't just like accept what's happening.
It's like you're just running from it.
I understand why she's doing it based on her past and all the
stuff. It's just so annoying because it
drags the plot out for me and I hate it, she has but life
experience. Yeah, I understand that but like
you were dead. Then this magical thing
literally brought you back to life that does not belong to
you. And it's like, hey, this thing
you have, that's keeping you alive comes with a bunch of
obligations by Caitlin. You want to stay alive, you have
to do them. And she's like, no it's mine and
just runs away like a selfish child and I fucking hate that
because it just drags everything out because I'm like, eventually
you're gonna have to accept this because you have this unnatural
thing that comes with burden like you're gonna have to accept
it like just can we move the story along?
I just hate that because it just for me it drags things out that
did that did play. It was way too long and then
it's actually went back and I was like wait what did she go
back? Because like that was a very
quick turn to solenoid. I'm like how did she didn't even
make it to their the second time of her golden nectar?
And it's like, I get you want your freedom?
I do understand that, like, you know, your victim of
circumstance. Absolutely got dealt a shitty
hand. You have every right to be
angry, by the way, you were treated in the orphanage, I get
that, but like your situation right now is so Bonkers like
there is no fighting it. Like, that's what's so annoying.
It's like you're fighting it and you're making The whole world
worse while you just are being selfish and it's dragging out
this Randall pot. When I don't care about.
So, like for me, I just found it her behavior, super annoying
sometimes because it's such a like it's selfish teenager
thing. And I just, I hate it.
I feel like it could have been written in a different way.
I agree would have been better, right?
It just dragged out and it just it may have painted her as
selfish and she gets called out for being selfish because like
there's later I figured I think you're talking to Mary and Mary
has her out. She's like listen.
I understand when you were in the orphanage everything
revolved around you because it had to because you couldn't do
any like basically, like you were trapped in that room and
like, everything had to revolve around you because you couldn't
go out like, I get that. But she's like, you're not in
that situation anymore and you're still behaving like you
are and it's like be a fucking adult.
Do you know? And then marries shares her
backstory was just like, I had a shitty hand to where I was
basically an orphan because of what happened with my mom, and
she was in prison for life and all this stuff and like I had to
grow up and I couldn't be selfish anymore.
So it's like Ava refuses to 2-under like except that her
situation has changed in this crazy way and it just I hate it
cuz it just drags things out. It's like get over it.
The voice-over thing also really fucking it.
There's way too much of it. It steadily like declines as the
as the episodes go on but like the voice overs with Ava gets so
annoying after a while. It's like I think I blocked most
of them out while watching it, it's so boring.
I don't personally like it as storytelling wonder if they
figured out that it wasn't really working as well and it's
the city's series when I think so.
And like, again, in the beginning, it's because she's
isolated and has no one to talk to and So it's kind of like
that's how it was in the orphanage.
She had that one kid, but most of the time she's just in her
head so I think it's a comic book translation to perhaps
because this comes from a comic book series to you like paper
girls. And so maybe that's just that's
a reflection of the format changing to television and how
to like show her inner monologue but it just it was a lot.
Just Alphas a good actress. You got trust her as she can
convey it with her face. Also, don't trust her the comic
series revolved around Shannon. So There was none of this
interesting. I was right in the beginning.
They're like, you know what? This is not the comic book.
Goodbye Shannon. I didn't read the comic book so
I can't comment. Didn't I couldn't find it and it
was like 50 bucks. And I was like yeah.
But the most available. Go ahead thee.
Unless you want to talk about the comics, I was sad.
I have or even though, you know, go, Okay, cool.
So I will say, the first time I liked Ava because she liked, she
annoyed me until like episode 3. When she finally gets back to
the nunnery, I don't know, whatever it's called.
And Or The Cloister whatever it's called and she has her
sparring lesson with Lilith and Mother Superior.
I do love that scene because it's so good because she doesn't
annoy me in the sink because she's just, she's trying to
navigate the situation and oh my God, Mother Superior with
weapons. Hot.
I have something to say that's not related, but you can
continue that first that was all I had to say about that.
I like that teen, I like that scene, but I just want to point
out something Bree and I are writing questions for something
and I said a stick and she's like, it's not a stick and I'm
like, it's a stick. It's a cane.
I've re-watched it. And they're like stick.
Kick. I like seeing it's a stick.
Just saying I just had to bring that up.
They called it a stick multiple times.
Okay, it's a walking stick / cane.
It's the don't know the stuff. They give they give their
superiors weapon. Sorry cousin.
Yeah, well, and they're called as particular type of it has the
word stick in. It will just say that.
I see ya. Um I just don't let things go.
I'm trying to go where where I miss you.
So I just wanted to point to say that it's called Warrior none.
O, ya rijalallah. But whatever the first Warriors
area. Yeah, yes in there.
And I was like, oh, that's where they're getting.
So the current Ariella in the comics is sister Shannon
Masters, the best and brightest of the mall. so she's leading
everybody in the good against evil thing serving with the Lord
and faith and humility appearing on and off for 20 years since
her first appearance It's create the Creator.
Been done. Favorite character.
I can see that. Even from the gospels begin, the
show. Shannon is not over and talk
about her somewhere else can. It's like an awesome.
We talked about her a little bit later on, but In the women's
section, where the women come on gentlemen, section, okay, we
have to get through the tough one first and then his religion
section. Yes.
What do we have a death section? We haven't death section.
Why would never death section why?
I guess make it now because I don't know what's going on.
I wanted to know what I have to sneeze.
Why? All TV shows have like a death
catchphrase, like they're like in this life or the next and
then the hundreds like maybe me begin and all that and like that
type of stuff. Okay.
I guess how humans do things. It also ties into literally The
next section is religion religion.
So in this religion, there is an afterlife.
So, basically, what they're, it's like a it's Beatrice as it
later where she's like, hey, you're part of our group.
Now, you're a part of this Sisterhood Sisterhood.
Yeah. Will never leave you even after
death. That's what they're saying to
each other. It's like, hey, if you even if
you die we're still with you. Like, it's a way of saying
goodbye without saying goodbye basically.
In case we die, I still see you in the next life, like, yeah,
it's goodbye. That's we order of the cruciform
sword, but she more, right. It is their goodbyes in The
Sisterhood. Yeah.
Because they believed in an afterlife in this group
precisely or in the religion. It's like so war and it stems
from like not just like mythology and like religions but
like Warriors do that. It's like a you know in case we
die because they're in case we die on the battlefield.
Like I'll see You in the next life or like maybe we meet again
like yeah it's like it's one of those things like a Brotherhood
Sisterhood just type of goodbye basically without saying
goodbye. Yeah that's a cultural thing.
Some cultures do things like that.
That's what they're trying to show that culture and what they
believe in in terms of goodbyes. All I have to say about at the
beginning of my thing with religion.
I have a because we're back again to religion, and it's such
a It's such a polarizing Topic, in general, it's kind of hard to
talk about in some respects, but in the show, you cannot avoid
it. Since we are literally dealing
with Catholic nuns literally, and we are in a sea of religious
Trauma from the beginning, dealing with the fact that one
of the freaking nuns killed Ava as her form of Mercy.
But I think he's just Because she enjoys murdering people.
Well there's also like a she there's a quote and I think the
first episode where the nun refers to Ava as a burden.
Hmm. So I'll never understand this
weird thing that people who claim to be Christians do when
it comes to like the disabled and the poor and the sick
because like wasn't Jesus as whole thing like I will take,
give me your tired, your poor, the sick, like I will, I will
heal them, I'll take care of them.
He was a caretaker like a Healer and then to have his disciples
or nuns who are married to Jesus be like, wow, I have to take
care of you. You're a burden.
So like that. I think the nun killed her, not
out of Mercy, but she's like, I'm tired of dealing with you.
Yeah. No, that's all.
That's part of the. Would you selfish?
That's a it's not Christian. Like know this woman is
obviously not an actual Christian, she's right?
Yeah. Leave some kind of a power to
ya. My side.
Like she got off on that too. Yeah, it's a she's in a position
of power. He has power over Ava, and she's
just like, full-on sit. And that's so nada.
People who say they are Christians.
That's not what you're supposed to behave.
Like that is not Mercy or like kindness.
That's the complete opposite. Yeah, so it's like really fucked
up. So you like you understand why
Ava is so like defensive and because like this is how she's
treated, she was treated like a burden and so she developed this
layer of humor to protect herself that only further.
Infuriated this none to the point where she's at.
I'm gonna kill you. Hmm.
Yeah which is super fucked up and then His back and tries to
kill the boy even though he's nowhere near aging out also get
like, right and like how was that kid was super sweet.
Like where was he? A burden.
But that's what I mean. I know it's framed first as like
Ava, personally annoyed, this woman.
But then it's like, no. She's just got this weird Power
Trip thing where she's like, I'm gonna decide to put you out of
your misery. So you can be with God, but it's
like away from me. It's ridiculous.
Like, you're just using that as an excuse to murder.
I also think that the boy Knew Too Much for sure.
He seems like he was very, I don't know why truly, I don't
know, I guess he's just was straight up an orphan and not
like kneading and because it almost seems like not just it,
it seemed like, not just an orphan, but like a hospital
Wing. So I don't know if like he had
something where he required medical attention like Ava did
well yeah because he was deteriorating and health.
That's why she killed him. Ridiculous.
Okay. So I guess the yeah maybe it was
his time in her eyes. She was becoming too much of a
burden to care for which she is unpack.
Well, if she can't anymore good, there's no unpacking that for
sister fuckface sister. Fuck.
I have my own name for these characters to Caitlin over her
name. Lesbian.
Jesus. Know, you have any other fun
things for people? Yeah.
The dude is the not-hot priest Vincent.
Is that his name? I call him the not-hot, priest.
You talking about the one that is bigger priest.
Yeah, Vince a father. Vincent the one that's like,
yeah, the head over the high priest.
Yeah. I know that.
We all have some personally triggering things with religion,
but and I want to get to that if you guys want to share.
But first I want to go through the religious men and the show
and how forgettable and gross some of them are Directing the
show. I know.
Right? Like why I definitely ready.
Is a power-hungry douche canoe. I will say that is all true.
I do love when he speaks Italian.
That's about it. That is the Saving Grace.
He speaks multiple languages and it's funny.
The only oh yeah, cool. Vincent is dubious from the
beginning. He's like too good and nice and
whatever. Yeah, but then like okay, so his
Arc is not also surprising, because this goes into the
religious stuff to with him, where he has that moment, where
you find out, he's a former alcoholic.
Hmm. What's this is common like
Christian thing where it's like I was in the dark and sitting
and then I Found Jesus and now I've repented and I'm a good
person and so which is a Christian thing.
Theme not knocking that. That is a Christian theme sin
found God. Now I'm good, I repented all of
that stuff. But like in the context of the
show where they're like, there's demons that prey on your the
sin, in your heart kind of thing.
It shows you that like he's susceptible to like being
corrupted. Like, you can say that but the
tendency is still there, so you get the hint.
That. Okay, there's, there's something
something here, he's not as good as he seems because people
repent, but you still are susceptible to these things.
And then we get to, like, towards the end, where he's
like, threatening the art collector and her like he's got
tattoos, and you're like, what is going on?
On what is going on with this dude.
None of none of his No, no I just didn't seem genuine to me
know, right? Yeah, it definitely does it.
I will always wonder I want to know more about how he How
Adriel found him Jesus? Yes.
The guy you called Jesus. Yeah.
And is I'm assuming he's been whispering to Vincent just like
he's been whispering to Michael. I think so.
Yeah, and whether it was while he was an alcoholic and
susceptible to like The Wraith demons or when he because it
seems like Adrian's connected to the divinium.
Yep. That's so maybe it was when he
was in the found the church and was around the relics that he
could hear, but definitely there was whispering of sorts
happening. Well, one time point, I don't
really know and I don't know if it's in the comics, I don't
really care. But yeah, he was definitely like
he was corrupted at some point. For sure, yes.
Because he has his lying to, I think episode 2, where he says,
each of us has a moment where we must decide what we will do with
our lives with, with the opportunities that have been
presented. So like an opportunity was
definitely presented to him by Adriel and he was like, yeah,
let's do that. Yeah, I'll become a serious
bitch. Yeah.
So that happens, he was his disciple.
Yeah, he is like he's this one. It really is Jesus row.
Worships them might have with the actual nuggets is wrong with
you, people. Hey, I'm worried about offending
people with what I say about religion.
We can't, we can't be It's okay. I have a hot take on this in the
show with the religious stuff. But what's the Min and then I
want to know that could be gone forever.
Yeah. Alright, so Christian, who is
the former priest and is employed by Julius alveus to
help her find all of the divinium?
Because that's how she's building her giant machine.
That Adriel told Michael how to build Michael is her son.
Julian. We really want to know what
happens to is the big science. Expert person, who is Both
badass and annoying to me sometimes.
So yeah and I think he and her both interject another common
theme with Christian stories which is like science versus
religion and like so it immediately presents the
scientist as like ambitious and Reckless and they're the bad
guys because they're trying to destroy the church and it's like
that never-ending battle between like science and reality and
faith and like the unprovable. Little stuff.
So like they're the vectors of that Trope in like narrative
basically and he like yeah he left the church to go to the
science and that kind of stuff. but, and I think he's not a,
he's not a good example of that for me, because it doesn't
matter that he's renowned stitched the activities of the
Catholic Church, the more nefarious ones he's still In
service to. In the end, he's kind of aligns
himself. I think he's going to align
himself with Adriel. In my knee, right?
And that's my take from the trailer but I honestly don't
like he seems as big of a fanatic as Vincent in a lot of
ways and that's why I don't like him and don't trust him.
So he is looking for the thing to latch onto and go Whole Hog
into service for and I think that's going to be Adriel for
him. He just this off as creepy to
me. That's all that's what it is.
He just it feels creepy. Yeah I can see why he has his
moments where he's being quiet and I'm like so intense watching
you reason. I think the actor is so good at
creating those moments where you just are like, dude, you're
intense and it's a nun way. I can't deal with right exactly.
But yeah, I can totally see what you're saying.
It's like he's replacing the corrupt church as his belief
system with like This science. We've proven another realm
Adrian's, the master of that realm, that's my new God.
I can totally see the never her that that makes sense.
It's like it's a, I don't know. That's like replacing One Faith
for another kind of metaphor. I guess or storytelling.
Yeah, it's actually do that. So that's Christian.
In the finally, we're going to get to the big.
The Big Kahuna as it were in Adriel, who is the as Caitlin
likes to call him? He looks like Jesus in the whole
Western white, jesus a European white Jesus, he's like white
European, Jesus boy, which is ridiculous, but whatevs, they
what you taught in Catholic School.
Like that's like fun fact about European Jesus and the bill for
it of European Jesus. Which I find super hilarious is.
Yeah. So if you know the story of the
Christian mythology of like Jesus, Jesus come from like a
part of the country, our country, the world, and spoke a
language that white people would never be doing.
So, there's no way in the story that this dude was a white guy.
However, when you see pictures of him in modern times or
paintings or whatever, it looks like a white guy.
And the reason is during the height of like the Enlightenment
and stuff when like people the artist, Vinci was painting.
You know, Christian stuff for the Christian Church, they
Commissioned. I think what I wasn't the video
and it was Michelangelo that sorry, I can't remember.
One of those guys was commissioned to do Jesus and
obviously there was no pictures of him.
So he used his gay lover as inspiration for Jesus.
So all those pictures, you see, of G of European, Jesus actually
gay guy, so there you have it. There you have it, there you
have it. You're welcome, you're enough.
Oh Jesus. So that's European Jesus.
Yeah, he looks like European Jews.
He does look like European Jesus.
However, he is a demon in disguise.
From whatever realm the tourists and The Wraith demons come from.
And he was fleeing ater a steaming because he stole the
Halo. What we know is the Halo in the
show from them and ended up in the middle of a freaking Templar
battle where the warrior none and her compat rates were
battling. Let's not even get started, I
started on the on the Crusades that's a whole nother.
What the fuck were you all guys? Thinking thing and not pertinent
so much but Adriel butts into this whole battle and then as
like, hey if you guys help me fight this demon, You know, I'll
save your Warrior your nun's life, basically, this woman who
they revered and they're like, okay, yeah, sure.
That sounds good. So he makes a deal with the
Templars and he saves Ariella by putting the Halo into her.
They think Adriel is an angel. So they take what they know
about the world and just absorb Him into their there, what
religious knowledge, say, all right.
Well, if you're doing this and you're bringing her back to life
and you've got this circular thing that glows, you must be an
angel. Guess what?
He's not. But I whatever.
He's just a selfish a-hole. Yeah, so Adriel gets trapped.
What? I was just trying to figure out
if they were doing that based off of Gabriel.
Neutral. Gabriel the Angel.
Sorry. Sorry I get distracted.
So you're good. Adrian's up.
Long story short in a locked in the Tomb.
He is not doesn't die like everyone thinks he does.
And he's manipulating people from inside the tomb because
before he died, he made himself a set of armor out of the
Terrace demons remains. And so he's connected with that
armor and using it to whisper too Michael when who when we
know of Julian's son Jillian, sun and getting them to do build
a portal basically to his Dimension so he can go back.
And by telling them that it'll save Michael's life because he's
going every all the kids in this damn show are dying.
Kids are not law. Except the one in.
What country was that? Christian's love suffering, that
is a theme and just Christian lore of that suffering, if you
suffer through something, then you are like more Superior to
people for having suffered. It's just, it's a theme.
So that's what they're doing. They're pure because they're
suffering. One of those things closer to
God, exactly. That's a whole nother.
Big anyway thing. Anyway that's Adriel she's back
and he wants to take over everything and Summon all of his
demons to help him, including father, Vincent AKA, and I have
pretty little asshole, the not hot priest.
All right. Go on.
Okay, so What I love about this. So, the story that you told is
actually what happened with Adriel and area, Ariana ariela,
Briella Ariel who becomes the first Warrior not and she
becomes the warrior known when she gets the Halo.
But when we first start, the story and Ava is learning about
the warrior nuns, that's not the story.
She hears. So, the story that is now myth
and Legend is a completely different story and For me, like
the religious stuff was like triggering because I have
Catholic baggage and get triggered by this stuff.
But it's basically used as a mechanism to tell a fantasy
story. So it's like, this isn't really
Christianity, it's just like it's the guise of that to tell
this fantasy story that's happening.
So it can make it less triggering.
If you kind of like break down what they're doing.
So what they're doing with Adriel is they're showing you
how myths evolve over time because the story that Ava here,
Is the one that's passed down to the next Warrior and on who
Bears. The, hey, libel.
This isn't in the Bible, I mean, yeah, the Bible to do, not just
mean, it's like it's like the Bible, right?
It does. It's the book of myths.
So, the thought is a myth is based on a real story but like
is it what actually happened? Because for a long time humans
and write things down, it was there was its oral history where
you would tell the story. And as the more you tell
stories, the more they evolve but like, in this context,
Israel appears her group of people who already had an
ideology, like you said and they kind of like bring him into
their ideology and manipulate the story to fit their ideology.
So what actually happened is what you said.
But the story that the church is telling is that Ariel was dying
and she was such a great servant of God, that God sent an angel
and that angel gave up his Halo to save her life and then that
made him mortal. So he sacrificed For her.
And then, he became mortal and died.
The ultimate sacrifice for her. So that God can have his
champion on Earth and who would kept keep passing that thing
down. So, that's the story, they're
telling. Now that's the myth that evolved
from some guy who stole something he wasn't supposed to
have recognized. That if he hides it within other
organic material, those demons can't sense it and then won't
come after him anymore. So he could hide it in this
woman. So like, without her consent, he
just takes the hill on guys. Okay, and like she screams like
it's a traumatic event for her that happens without her
consent. And he's like, cool, I survived
to live another day. I will come back for that when
the time is right, for me and continue on my fuckery, that was
what actually would happen. But the the nights are just
like, wow, God sent an angel and like that's the story that gets
told, like Millennia later, right?
So, that's the evolution of myth fact, versus fiction.
Like, the way we take this complex story with like, that's,
you know, he says it when he meets Ava later, he's like,
divinity is messy like you guys paint it as good versus evil
black. Dwight.
He's like it's messy and the reality is it's messy.
He was a selfish being being selfish acting poorly.
Saw an opportunity was like, I'm gonna hide it in this girl and
then I'll keep doing me. And but then the people paid
that as this heroic story where he, you know, she sacrificed he
gave her a reward. She went on to do God's Will and
it's like that's not reality. That is literally a story that
is myth and that basically starts this trend of these
Having to bear this burden and like basically continue this
fuckery without realizing what they're doing.
For this, I don't even know if he's a demon he's just some,
he's from that other plane and and basically like in this story
it's used it's kind of like he's like you guys every time like
Ava later when she meets him to says I owe you an angel of
these. Like if that's what you want to
call me, if that's what helps. You understand this sure.
Implying that like you know myths evolve because people saw
things, they couldn't explain and then put a story to it to
try and explain it. And so like, heaven and hell was
like the myth That came out of this thing with him, where he
comes from another. I think this is literally,
what's happening in this show is like quantum physics.
Like there's other dimensions and he came from another
dimension, but the people at the time didn't understand quantum
physics. There like those big scary
things came from hell and he came from heaven, like, could
Dimension bad dementia? So they like simplify the
reality of that. Like he just burst through a
parallel Dimension by accident and then they saw it and they
put their own story on it. Like, that's how you get heaven
and hell like, in the myth, that happens later in this religion.
So it's like the twisting of Reality by storytelling, which
totally happens, you know, like reality is what people believe
as we unfortunately see in our country today like, you know, so
that's really what it is. It's not really about
Christianity, it's about like the way Christianity of all to
explain reality, which is there's another dimension.
You can Pierce and come into it and like the Halo is part of
that other dimension. It's like this big Power.
Horse and it's been lurking in our Dimension until like these
creatures who probably owned it or like we're trying to get our
shit back. That was stolen from us but
because we look scary, like you guys are counseling trying to
kill us like all the try to do is get their shit back like
that's really what it is but by now people are like well they're
demons they're bad we have to fight them but do we do we are
we just doing that? Because we're scared and that's
what we were indoctrinated to believe big scary thing.
Kill the big scary thing. Okay thank you.
Yeah, that means a metaphor for many things, but I think that
like the Christianity is like a myth that of all to explain the
reality in this world, which is there's another dimension and
you have these beings made of divinium which is described as
like, the organic first metal and like we were explaining it
as like God made this. But really it's like this stuff
from this other dimension, like is so it's really about religion
really this way. That's the layer of it that I
think is kind. Brilliant.
Yeah, it's fun. And you don't understand that
until you get to the end and you have this guy being like you've
over, simplified this because that's what you're taught to do.
But um sure whatever whatever you need to tell yourself,
right? I just that's the part of the
whole story that I enjoy, is that?
The layers of that. And I just think that there were
ways that were I wish that we had a more better.
Maybe maybe season 2 will make it better.
Yeah, I don't feel like we have enough information, right?
I mean this to be fair the first season deviates from the comics
it seems like and it's doing a ton of World building and the
way they did it was instead of like giving you all the
information up front, when like Ava is learning it it's like
you're learning it in a fragmented way where the big
reveals at the end. So it's like you can't know the
full story till the very last episode.
So because of that, it's like an entire season of just like
Setting stuff up. Really so there's definitely
missing pieces for sure and I think that's on purpose with how
they chose to like Pace things, basically.
Absolutely. I think it's important that
we're telling the story now like at the point in human history
because the point in human history, where we come into the
story is when science has gotten to a point where like we can
Pierce through the dimension of be like, look science.
Look, we can get there now. Whereas like, if we came into
the story with ariela and the very first The creation of the
very first Warrior and I'm like you wouldn't be able to do any
of that. It would just be like myths.
Like we have to explain this with a story that we understand
it the 1300s or we are so yeah absolutely yeah you're right we
can't you clear? Tell the story exactly the one
that they want to tell which is totally going to be interesting
to see in season two. There's there was just a huge
Yeah, because of the thing that happened that shall not be named
the Panorama The Panini, The Panini.
I am really tired today. Um, I'm not used to talking
about shows that have a nobody season and I just fully forgot
that there's a second season coming.
Oh my God. Even though we're talking next
week Caitlin. Yes.
Yes, yeah, it'll be. We're going to get So do you
have anything to say about the the church to church religion,
'l stuff? Personal stuff to say if you
want. I mean, by all means So I guess
you just talk about everything I have issues.
Sure. Tara is yours, whatever you
want. Speaking of religious trauma.
I have to remember if it was supposed to be in this episode
or another episode, No nevermind.
That one's for book club. Okay, I got different one.
Alright, so I have To be quiet. So I keep getting told you
really need to believe in God. And I'm just like, okay, but my
issue is, there are so many religions.
What makes Catholics think that their rights.
Like why am I being forced to believe in something that
there's so many different versions of like why are you
right? And everybody else is wrong.
That's my biggest issue with this.
Like, totally, you're telling me to you.
I have to believe in something. No, I'm with you.
That's mine too. Me, too.
No, I like this. What?
If you were wrong, then you dedicated your life to what
being wrong and you won't know till it's over.
Yeah. And you know, maybe we just
disappeared, maybe I like it just goes away.
Maybe there's nothing, who knows?
We don't. But interior my panic attacks
now. Sorry exercise.
All right sis, that's not okay. Well, I'm going to move on.
From that slightly. It's a common thing in this
family. So my brother The jokester, he
is and problematic jokes. He told my mom that he's going
to start his new, his own religion, where they all
worship, monkeys, because of evolution, oh voice did not like
Well then just like the science in the religion.
Starting fires. There's what he's doing.
Oh yeah. No that's a common thing to but
we won't go there. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I mean, we won't get into this, but just to comment
on that. It's like, I think that if
you're religious like cool, I have an issue with people trying
to force their belief systems on to other people.
And I think that some people with belief systems especially
with this whole anti-science thing that's going on.
Have this misconception that people that like science is a
religion or it's not. It's like we're not, we don't
believe in science. It's not I don't Believe in
science. It's like science exists and
like it can explain things right?
It's not a belief system, it's not like it's always.
It's right. No matter what it's like now.
It's form of discovering reality like and it changes and I feel
like people who are so indoctrinated and religion which
is like Faith, even when it seems wrong, don't understand
that like science is not a religion, it's it's a way to
rationally, explain the world through a method and through
reviewing and through all these. So it's going to die.
Nature, it will change. And so like there's this
conflation that happens where it's like, well science is about
and it's kind of presented in this show a little bit as like
it's the alternative belief system to like ancient mythology
where it's not. It's not a belief system.
It is it is something else, it's a discipline, it's something
else. Like but it gets conflated.
And that's a perfect example of like, oh, we're going to believe
in monkeys as our Lord and savior is because of, that's
what science believes, and it's like science.
Doesn't believe anything science is not a belief system, they're
not the same. So yeah.
No, I completely I kind of Don't.
It's hard with the show because it's a once again even with that
you're even with conflating science and religion, you're
simplifying, their simplifying. It the point where It's good and
evil all over again. Yeah.
But it's putting something complex in a simple box.
Yeah. And there, they handle it, as
well as they can, I think in the show but it's still it kind of
makes it my opinion like I don't understand why they're doing it,
but in my opinion it makes those characters like Christian and
Jillian. It makes them more
one-dimensional. Absolutely, that's what I'm
trying to say and that's what makes it makes them a his
character sometimes because they're just they're very like
extreme on this one on the Spectrum and like you there are
pulverizing characters and it's like I don't like that.
Then there it's like lazy writing to me because they're
forced to put them in this like Trope.
Basically they're just as fanatical as the people who are
religious zealots. Yeah.
It has four way. Right.
And I think that's on purpose. It is, but it still makes
Jillian really annoying to me. Chris.
You're really creepy to me, right?
It makes ya makes them creepy and weird.
I totally agree with you, but yeah, it's again, it's a show
science zealots. That's what.
It is, but it makes them very one-dimensional.
Like, in the show, in my opinion.
It also made. Also, all of that condensed
Jillian's storyline to being about a bomb and that also my
God, I fucking out of me, I hate when they do that because if
you're a woman you it has to be about you having children or a
man or one of those things like what at pick one, it's either
about. You can't be just a science lady
that has you know, actual dimensions.
Yeah. Of, but you have to have a kid
involved or know my motivation for her, hate the plot line for
her because she's portrayed as like one of the smartest people
in the world. But her big failure, is it she
can't biologically have children and that bothers her so much
that she finds a demon Dimension, like get the fuck out
of here. If that if Julian, if Jillian
was the person that left the church and she was Christian and
Christian. Was that the scientist?
There's no way in hell, that's his problem.
Wine, there's no way in hell. He figures out that Dimension
thing because he can't have kids.
It's such a gendered, plotline. I fucking hate it.
So much. Like it irks me because like,
there's no way in hell if you made her a man that would be the
plot line. There's no way that doesn't make
any fucking sense. If they were reversed his plot
line would be about. I may find the truth, right?
I need to be totally ambition. Yeah, because men masculinity
says, you can be ambitious. But women it's like know,
especially in this Christian narrative.
It's like know your number one thing is having babies.
You can't have a baby. You're a failure as a woman.
So she's like I'm gonna fucking figure out their science.
How I can be a woman. It's like, get the fuck out of
here with this. I hate those fault lines so
much. It's just gendered and fucking
annoying because we had some reason if she was a man.
Some really badass moments in the show and yeah, she's a cool
character. But it's like, why does this
have to be her motivation? Why can't you just do?
Like, I have a kid. He's sick.
I'm trying to save him. That's a nun.
Gendered plotline a man would could do that, too.
But it's no. It's about.
I couldn't have Kids. I'm a failure.
Get out of here. You're like the world-renowned
physicist. Get out of here.
That's a such a stupid plot line.
I can't stand that. It's lazy.
In my opinion. I hate it.
Like the voiceovers I'm like this is like the, what's up?
Yeah, it's a fun show. But there's some things that
just really bother me. Personally, I can't stand think,
I don't know from a writer's perspective.
Why they use the voice overs? I get?
I mean I know I have theories like we've talked about yeah but
I hope that just season 2. It never feels completely.
I just it just doesn't work for me.
No, it feels very shoehorned. Just don't like it.
It doesn't feel organic to me. Absolutely.
But yes, unless do you guys have anything else to say about this
part? Before we move on to the women,
the women, we love women. We sure do is go women's
section. All right, so part is part three
of this whole fun time. In Warrior Nana is the women and
we're going to start with Beatrice.
My only note is hot and gay hot and gay.
That's all you need to know. That parents the season two.
I gotta say I'm really glad that they didn't put her in and put a
hose. We'll try it later, but we will
just pull her the stoic badass. She's incredibly intelligent and
and a big nerd. She obviously can read and
speak, multiple languages, and fight and Snow White vicious.
Yeah, man. So they have created the perfect
woman. Yes.
And her My sister Beatrice? Yes.
He has an accent like hopefully, come on.
No, goddamn it. She isn't a reason I kept
watching the show I was like, okay, maybe I'll keep watching
and I'll catch up this early. I've seen you got more lines and
it got better sister she in my opinion made the show for me
personally it was Beatrice and I'm really glad that we get more
of her in season 2 judging from the trailer excited.
So yeah, Beatrice is the one that we, the nun that we are
with the most, because she's the one that's with Ava the most I
think well we do get a lot of Mary we'll talk about this.
I'm sure in like the Ava Beatrice section but like
Beatrice is the one who gets Ava to open up first exact.
That's the main thing. That's why they have more scenes
together. Yeah.
Where's Mary Mary interacts with her but it's like it's abrasive
up front and not like and Eva doesn't respond to that like
having because in a voiceover I remember and Beatrice are
getting food and in a voiceover Ava says that Beatrice is more
approachable than the other nuns and so she's gonna try to talk
to her and that's how that all starts in.
Yes, Beatrice is much more approachable and more.
She's also a good therapist for Ava, I think is like hurt.
Roll it away, she strikes. I mean I have I'm sure.
I'll get into this later but just as an overall for the
character, she strikes me as somebody who's very Introverted,
whether she's actually introverted or had to become
introverted because of the way she was treated is another
story. But at this point in time, she
seems very like, she internalize a lot of things.
She seems like a Wallflower character who sits and observes
and then speaks when it's like, poignant to say something.
So she was like the first one to really observe Ava, just observe
her without like, trying to impose what you want on her,
which Ava doesn't either selfish at this point doesn't really
respond to like Lilith is like all you have the fucking Halo.
Let's like be in be a warrior right now and Mary's like you
need to do it. We need to do to for the mission
itself or is like Beatrice is like, I'm just gonna watch you
and figure you out kind of thing.
Yep, yeah, so she seems like that in general about a lot of
things. So because of that, she's very
like strategic and like able to strategic.
She's very she calculates a lot of things.
So like when it comes to the their Team Dynamic, she's the
one who comes with the strategies.
She's the one who has a couple million skills.
So like later she's like, hey, I'm the expert in explosives and
like things like that. Like, she's like, I can set it
up so that it's perfectly. She's very like, analytical and
able to, like, stay calm under pressure and she's very
disciplined. I could that's about the word
best word for for Beatrice. She is disciplined in, no matter
the scenario and I think it comes out a lot in that scene.
I figured out But when like the stoop the, the sociopath nuns
come onto the scene and as the sparring thing with her where
she loses because the other one cheats and she's like, even
after like she gets stabbed with the numchucks that the woman
whips out of nowhere, which was totally not part of their
sparring thing. Like, there's a moment where
like Beatriz like holding her side and, and she's just like to
her sisters, put the burhan. Like, wait, wait, I got this.
And she like Finishes the whole thing by doing the bow and like
like because that's Beatrice, she's like no matter what I'm
going to see this through. I'm going to stick to my
principles, like I'm going to stay disciplined.
I'm not going to let you see that I'm hurt and all this stuff
and I'm just going to be stoic as fuck and go sit down.
And then when they re fight later, she's like, yeah, I was
watching you really closely the first time, like, I'm willing to
lose a battle to win the war and then they completely kicks her
ass because she's like, I watched you, I studied you now,
I know how to I've strategize now, like that's who Beatrice
really is. He's the the Just, and that was
the fight with sister crimson. Who has like one of those names
sister. Crimson, whose sister who sister
fuckface part 2? She's Batgirl is so creepy.
He is so dreamy. This is the actress is going to
be angry Pete. Totally getting creepy.
Is this the sister Crimson? The won the Scottish accent.
The one that comes in that the Pope.
The pope boy brings in der. Eddie brings in, as like, to
replace all the warrior nuns when he's like, yeah.
I gotta go, you're not loyal to me.
And he brings in all those other nuns that are like super ejects.
Yeah, I remember all the other ones.
She's the main one. She's the main one.
The other ones don't talk. Yeah.
The other ones. Don't say anything.
Oh, she's the one that Beatrice fights, but he address fights
her. And she goes.
Oh, you probably didn't get that far on your re-watch is what I'm
assuming. I'll send you the same because
it's pretty good. Like, yeah, but So, yeah, what
do you have anything to say about Beatrice Caitlin?
I have a line that I liked, what's that?
I forget who she says it too. But she said you can always
count on me to be faithful. And then she pauses slightly and
says to God, this like whatever to do ready before he's superb,
Pope because he cannot moment, he's trying to be like, be loyal
to me, and she refuses to give him that she's like, no, like
she sticks to her principal. She's like, I am loyal to God.
God is the one that tells me what to do.
Not you manservant and that's when he's like mmmm that's when
he brings the sociopath group and after that when he's like, I
have no loyalty here. I need to put my own people in
here. That's when he knows he's going
to get rid of her. But that's, that's a, that's a
Hallmark of who Beatriz is, she's very principled and six
are principles. She doesn't just like room.
Yeah, but like to compare her with like that.
The next character essentially were talking about Lilith,
whereas like Lilith is super ambitious to a point where she
can be. Manipulated Beatrice cannot be
manipulated because she's not ambitious like that.
She's just like I understand my role.
I understand who I report to and like I can't be compromised
based on my principles kind of thing.
So that's like a comparison between like those two
characters. Absolutely.
Yeah, I also just love a stoic character because that's just my
jam. So same she hits all the buttons
for me. Yep.
So many buttons. Yes she's dreaming.
Anyway. She has moving on to Lilith Who.
I think I'm going to let fee or take most of this because the
aura loves the or loves with. I'll put my two cents in and
then we'll go to Theodora. I Spin.
I love the times when Lilith softens and she kind of gets a
little more human towards people in the story and I do think
she's dealt a really raw hand, but so is everyone else in this
show? There's a reason she's driven
and obsessed with being the warrior none and it's because
that's like that's the ultimate Thing of her.
That's like, that's the your job.
That's the one thing that you were here for on Earth.
It's to be the warrior nun someday.
And so that's like, I think she's invested her her worth in
succeeding in that role and the being the leader of the nuns and
the Order of the cruciform sword.
But she's obviously being awarded by this person who has
the Halo, Oh and is not even appreciating what she's been
given his to Lilith. It's like a huge honor and she's
acting in in ways that are as ice.
Also like, why are you guys letting her have this?
You know that I'm supposed to be the warrior none.
So can't we just take this thing back.
And so she's dealing with his that those emotions and also
dealing with. Well, if we do, take this out of
her, it's going to kill her. So Just let go like, go with it
and then deal with her own situation and then the whole
whole it being pulled into that demon Dimension happens.
And who the hell knows what happened over there with her
back and I think she's fighting whatever.
Darkness was kind of put into her or maybe fighting herself in
a way. So like, I understand her story
and I appreciate it for what it is.
But the character annoys the fuck out of me.
I don't want to slap her chin. Annoys me too.
All right. That's the end of my thing on
Lilith. Do I had the aura?
First of all, it's hot so there's that.
So there's many things that are unforgivable with a strong woman
who's attractive. I'm just saying I guess that's
where we're at an impasse because I can appreciate her
beauty but I don't find her like That's.
Yeah. So with her I like her Arc
throughout the whole show personally.
Because I think she has the most growth even more than Ava who
was just annoying the whole time and like fighting everything and
then reluctantly like changes at the end which I think Lilith
those has a more interesting. She has kind of a similar Arc,
but it's different, like, I like the way it's done.
And with Lilith, I think what's really happening here is
generational trauma because in the show, they explained that
like, her family had six Halo bearers over three centuries.
So she's like, seven, she's potentially the seven.
Of her family. That's a warrior.
Not, so she comes from this like long, she's a, she's the Legacy,
right? And so her family is basically
like, we expect this of you like this highest honor it.
We expect this view. So she was like indoctrinated to
believe by her family that like, it's going to be.
It's going to be you and her family.
Sacrifices nuns. To the church to sacrifice
themselves to be like the Halo Bear, right?
And so she like she has in her head that I I'm going to be this
and so she spends her whole life training for it and then doesn't
get it. And so, because of the way,
like, this generational trauma is working on her, she has too
much ambition to the point that it is actually a liability to
her. And that's what happens with the
ready where he prays on that to get her to come on like away
from the mission of God. His mission which is more in
line with her ambition, where he's like basically saying like
I don't think Ava should be the warrior and I neither I think it
should be you and like you're very loyal and you've proven
yourself and it's like playing into her ego with her ambition
and she's like, yeah, that'll make sense.
I don't make sense like, yeah, I'm willing to do whatever it
takes to get this thing that. Like, I'm supposed to have that.
I've been bred to get right Born to receive.
I think I'm the chosen one. And so like she was raised to
believe that and then is Belated into like trying to kill Ava
because of the ready, playing into that.
He's like I'm in a position of power to like actually give you
this to you and I think it should be you too, but you need
to get rid of her first and she's like, all right, that's
what I need to do. I'm so ambitious.
I'm going to do it and then it just completely backfires and
then when they're in the scene where the demon the Taurus demon
comes after it because Ava's being a dick and runs away, and
they start fighting with each other because Ava can't accept
her Destiny. And then, the demon shows up and
when the demon goes to actually kill her, Lilith intervenes and
actually saves Ava's life because like again Lilith at the
end of the day like is in this order.
She does really believe in it, it just hurts.
She let her ambition, get the best of her and she was
manipulated because of that. But at the end of the day like
she is loyal to like this whole cause and she makes this
ultimate sacrifice and ends up in the other realm whether or
not. She's been corrupted by
Darkness. I'm not sure.
I think that she was shown what actually goes on in that Realm.
And is having trouble kind of dealing with that because later
when they're in the Crypt or whatever, she's the one that
shows up and is like she can't go in there, she can't go in
there. Like I think she knows something
from that other realm but like it's like flittering in and out
of her mind. Perhaps but like that experience
of like stepping into the darkness or whatever like going
too far into like your ambition I think is like what Lilith Sark
really is, and then she comes out of it and is like processing
her trauma. And she processes that with Mary
Who like is her sister, no matter what her behavior is?
And so hopefully like she's able to really get past more of that
in season two, but yeah, I agree.
She's you know, she's stoic and she seems heartless and just all
about the mission and because that's what she was.
She was bred to be a warrior, right?
And that's what Warriors do so by the end.
She gets much more humanized. And as much more relatable,
like, you were saying, Bri, But she's a girl that was
manipulated by men. That's what she that's.
That's what happened. She was manipulated by somebody
in power that she trusted. So it's not entirely her fault
but like that was that happens to people, right?
It's not such a such a improbable thing and that's just
what happens a little things very sad but she you know grows
from the experience of the end and puts her differences behind
Deva and she's like, yeah, I get it.
Like, it's supposed to be yours. Like it didn't reject you like,
I understand all of that. It's just like, to want
something so badly and be taught that it's yours, and then you
not get it. And it's given to somebody who
like, is such an asshole about it.
It's so fucking frustrating. You're like, god, dammit, like
you shouldn't have, like, you're just being a dick, like, about
this thing that I've wanted my whole life, like, that's a lot
to process in like three days. So like give her some credit
there. Other words really?
I'm sorry, go Katlyn. I was going to say it's really
hard when someone else gets something like that.
You like really what and you don't think they deserve it.
They don't even want it. She was like I don't think I
want this like it's like dude I just love that we're coming at
that this from the two absolute opposite perspectives.
Of like you and I meaning like I get where I was coming from more
and you get, we're a little at this coming from more and I
think that's the beauty of like media and shows because you can,
yeah, I don't know. Like, we can talk about it and
like, analyze these characters, and it's just a really awesome
way to interact with other people.
And we kind of get to do that for fun.
One. And also hence the podcast.
Yeah, so it's a gift. But also, what's that Caitlin?
What's particularly cool about this situation?
Is that the characters are actually doing the same thing.
They're both being selfish, it's just in a different form.
Yep, exactly. So like yeah, they're basically
the same. It's just it's a different plot
line but they're both at the end of the day, they're both
selfish. And that's their fall.
Both of them. Yes, they're opposite sayings.
Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, so American Louis now I got one.
Oh you got one cheering? Let's hear it.
Now it's not actually about Lilah.
She's just in it and this is the only place I could figure out
where to put it. Okay, let's hear it.
So it's another line thing. So Lilith, I believe it's Lilith
who tells this nun, who I forget her name when they're all
waiting for the shift change and she's like, like patients, I
told her to patients. And she's like, I can have
patients. Come on.
You stupid, shift, change? Yeah, I just like that scene.
So you like Camilla is yeah. Oh, she's she is in here.
I didn't know who she is. Sorry.
Damn it. Okay, yeah, like her adorable.
I don't like you. Yeah, she's I have heard written
as lost puppy. Okay, I'm gonna tell you my Mary
thing, and then I'm going to let you just do the because,
obviously, you can just see me, like, dying over here.
I need a nap. I'll still be here.
But I won't be here. So, Mary, I'm just going to tell
you right now. I love how easy, you know,
nonchalantly she just kick. Save off the cliff.
Oh yeah, it was beautiful. Love Mary.
Where is the heart? She is my other favorite
character. Is Mary Mary.
Okay, we love you, I can't lie. Mary the lease and unlike which
is something that Ava notes. Hmm, it's true.
And she's also the heart of the order I believe in my in my
opinion, she's the heart of it. Because everyone kind of looks
Turner with even if they don't know, that's what they're doing
or really consciously. Feel like that's what's going
on. But Vincent, does it, I mean, he
relies on her for everything and Mary had such a deep
relationship with Shannon which high that's kind of gay.
I really think they were just together.
Can't can we talk about that? Can we see the picture on her
desk? Thank you.
What the fuck was that? It's literally on.
Shannon's desk is a picture of Shannon with Mary behind her,
like, doing those hug where Like, hovering over her
shoulder. What group of platonic friends
do this hug? Doesn't make any fucking sense.
And they would marry with our when Shannon was dying Mary,
like, their faces were like She was way too upset about Shannon
dying for that to be friendship. Like I'm sorry, this make any
sense, there's no way together, I'm sorry, but they were getting
other for sure. Well, I mean, is it Shannon gay?
And the yeah and like, and like, yeah, there there's the cannon
clearness of to, for Shannon. So, so that's the thing.
I'm looking food, even in the flashbacks with flashback with
them. It was gay.
So, okay, so get and that's why, okay, so, That annoys me though
because it's like framed as platonic stuff.
By the way, to people talk, I think at one point like Mother
Superior is talking to marriage. She's like, I know you guys were
close. I don't like, just they were gay
together like obviously, it's even she is it?
No one. No one will say out loud because
it's not supposed to happen in the hole because, you know,
there's super duper, they're fucking nuns.
Okay, technically, they're nuns fucking nuns.
But whatever. Um, the none so we can't talk
about it but yeah, they're totally totally together again,
okay, it is Larry is I just love it.
Hey there were cute too. We're cute.
Oh my God. They were so cute.
Also, Mary is the one that actually gets through to Ava in
a big way when she chases her all over freaking creation.
Yeah. I'll do love the scene with them
when they're hiking back to that Village.
And like Caitlyn said, Mary ends up pushing her off, the cliff
with the whole, the whole thing between them.
I really liked their Dynamic, so high.
I love that whole the hiking scene.
Well, not that, I guess like that not the same, but like the
sequence of events from Viking to the village and then when
they stop in the cave and we get Mary's, Mary's backstory, mmm.
And she basically Is that it's kind of similar to Ava, where
Ava like had a normal life. Basically, her parents were
visiting in Spain and got in a horrible car, crash where they
died, she was paralyzed and then never left the orphanage in that
country. That isn't hers.
So like her whole life is turned upside down by like the loss of
her parents and this like paralysis Mary had like a
similar dish thing happen where it ate her mother was given a
life sentence in prison because Mary's mother killed her abusive
father in self-defense. But like Mary's.
Like, she's a black woman. So, like, she didn't get the
benefit of the doubt there. They just gave her a life
sentence for murder. That was it.
Even though she like, her mom saved her life too, and like,
pay the ultimate price for it. So Mary was orphaned in a sense
at age 8 because her mother was not dead but like shoved away in
a prison forever and you know, she shows Ava in that moment
like she's like, hey you're not the only one that's been Delta
shooting hand like because at this point you're angry at the
world because you were dealt a shitty hand but like hey other
people have also been dubbed shooting hands and like have mu
have found wait found purpose in life and that's that's Mary's
big thing like she found purpose in what she's doing was like Ava
is just flailing because she's lost she has no purpose and
that's like a theme in the show and that's like that is a
Christian theme is like finding purpose and like devoting, you
know, devoting your life to the purpose.
And that's kind of what's being presented in this story.
In this show also and importantly Merry fucking calls
her out. She's the first person to call
her out words. Like Beatrice shows her
kindness, Mary gets to the point.
She's like, listen cause she's very blunt and like upfront
about stuff which Ava fucking needs and she called her up, she
says you're no better than a child confined to a bed,
everything revolves around you because it had to like that was
your life like the world revolved around you because it
had to but like, hey shit. Changed like so either, like and
she tells her like, hey, if being such a, if, your life
being you is such a big burden Ava, like then like take that
thing out of your back. Like if this thing is such a big
burden, like, get rid of it, like, get rid of the Halo like
then don't carry it. So basically telling her like
either, like you carry this thing and all the responsibility
that comes with it and you get to walk around and be alive or
like, if it's too much for you, like cut it out like because
this means something to us. And like, you're destroying our
Purpose By like acting recklessly and selfishly and so
she presents it into a way that like, Ava can understand, and
that was so huge because that's kind of like the turning point
for Ava to be like, hey, maybe I can find I can do good with
this, it's not just about me. It's about other what I can do
for other people, too. And that's what she sees in the
town which is like that moment with Mary, like that whole day
or two that they spend their like, helping people like Shows
Ava, like maybe I can I can do for others.
What? I wish could have happened to me
coming. Yeah, that is absolutely what
the elite I think that was the only way to get through today,
but it's too straight up, be straight up blunt with her and
give her a mirror. Yeah.
Say like, this is, this is what's going on.
This is what this is, how you're acting.
And we Your situation but like this is not just about you.
So, yeah, and Mary. Also, unlike anybody else at
this point. Also understands that Ava is
selfish. So, for Ava to be the warrior in
on, it Ava has to come to her own conclusion, to be the
warrior. Not so, like the whole time,
they're there. She's like, I'm leaving without
you. Like you, do you?
I'm not kidnapping you. I'm not forcing you to come with
me. Me, I'm just showing you what
your life could be like, and you do need to make your own
decision and she's confident that Ava's going to like make
the decision to do it cause like, really, what is the
alternative here? But like she's like, I
understand the Ava has to make the decision.
I can't force her because you forced her and then she's like
now and she Rebels like a like a fucking teenager and runs away.
So Mary was the perfect person for this because she's like, I
get I have to be made. Merry super patient.
She's like, I know I have to be patient even though we're
running out of time and now is this is frustrating, but I get
it, she has to make the decision and so and ultimately.
Like, that's what works is like, Ava coming to her own
conclusion. The only thing that could work.
Yeah, I will say. Yeah, there there's one scene
that I found hilarious in that. I think when they sleep in the
church that night Ava wakes up at some point it goes and looks
at this holy statue and it's like, it looks like it's crying.
Yeah. She's like, oh my God.
And it reminds me of the dairy girl.
Singing with the crying Jesus. Yes.
Just like who did it? Better.
Worry or none or dairy girls. So good.
I did not even think about that. Not just re-watch Dairy girls
girls because it's just like a water dripping from the ceiling.
Yeah. Where is the dirt girls?
It's a dog peeing. And the pious on the statute it
goes way too far that one in the wintry but I do like the way Ava
realizing out. I thought Would have a sign
exactly. She's like was I chosen fuck
yeah. Because again like again that
speaks to Ava too because if God is being like look I chose you.
This is your path. That would be the scene versus
like that is really a depiction of like Ava.
You need to make up your own fucking mind.
There is no divine intervention like you need a fucking choose.
A path to walk so lately. Yeah, I love Mary.
I fucking love Mary. I am I'm worried for her.
Sorry, she's dead. I'm fucking pissed.
If she's dead. GE made real killed, if Adriel
killed her, with that crowd of people, mom.
I know, I know, I know I'm a, I forgot about that until I
re-watched it. I was like, oh shit.
I must have blocked this out of my mind.
I'm scared. I want to believe, Bryant, she's
not in the trailer. I know.
She's not in any of the any of the anything time.
I get why she wouldn't be though.
It's, they're trying to like, I know, I know, I hate it.
Alright, moving on to Camilla, I don't have a whole lot to say
about Camila. Okay, I will say what I was
saying about kinda like, she is a lost puppy and I love that.
She's also like super geeky like Beatrice.
But she has the, she's more like the tech Guru of.
Yes, she is. Yeah, and I think she's like, I
think she's like, the, the novice to like she.
Obviously, she chose to be a nun.
She chose to be in this order but she's like a Untested and as
excited about it. So like she's like a puppy where
she's like, We're Going on a mission.
Like, but she's so cute and she clearly, like, really cares
about them and like is like scary.
Like she's like scared been like nervous but like like failing
and she wants to prove herself and be part of the group.
But, you know, she's just adorable and she has a lot of
great lines that I met your mom. She really does she so cute.
Camila is adorable and geeky and also the person like I don't
think anybody would be. This story wouldn't have gone to
the place it was without her being still being in place at
the order and being able to do things from inside that they
couldn't do because they were now outside.
Yeah. Kicked out of the order
basically. She makes a really big choice to
stay loyal to her family, which basically is what they are.
And say F you to the Cardinal /, hope at that point, this is the
pope at that point and I do whatever I do.
It doesn't matter saying thats like say just be like No And
also sister Crimson scary. So like going against her I love
her line though, when she makes that choice and basically all
the other sister, her sisters are being backed into a corner
by like the sociopaths and she comes out with a machine gun.
And she's just like I hope I got the sign from God, right?
It's amazing. I love it.
She is the best addition to this group dance.
I agree. I love her.
She's like the comedy and like the heart like a heart in like
the wears. Her heart on her sleeve Karen.
Yeah, she's very sweet. And like later with Lilith when
like she's struggling with coming back from the other
dimension and she's like, I made my mom is nettle tea and like
she's young. Takes care of Lilith.
And I love the scenes with them and I was just so sweet.
She is, I think that really helped totally.
Yeah. I mean, you need that because
like the group before that before she joined, was just all
these like individual likes really stoic people and then
she's like, what are we doing guys?
Like she's you know, Mary is the heart but Camilla is the glue.
Yeah, exactly. She's like a glue person.
Exactly. Yes.
She's the one that kind of keeps everything together in the way
that she literally is keeping everyone together.
Yeah, exactly. So loved her would like to see
more about her backstory. Yeah, I know.
She's like the one character we really didn't get a from the
main group or we really didn't get a backstory.
So hopefully there's time for that.
Okay. Yeah.
Mother's The furion. Who is at the beginning, sort of
a portrayed in as a bit of a hard stiff and almost a villain
in some way because of her loyalty to the church and by
extension dered e but she comes through in the end and can't I
think she kind of likes sees herself in these girls her and
her like as her own and she was aware known before and then as
she kind of sees what's going on and how Durrett he's
manipulating things and doing things behind the scenes and
lying to everyone and how a lot of this is just kind of not fair
to the order and she does not agree with him.
Replacing the, it really starts when you're ready replaces, the
current Warrior Nuns with the rejects AKA sister crimson and
our psyche and her sociopathic buddies.
I say that because she displaced traits of sociopathy she not
saying she's We're not diagnosing her.
Just now they also described her as such in the show.
So I was going on. Yeah, exactly, yeah, ruining
that's what we're using. We're not trying to diagnose
this character but no, no, no. Yeah, so I really think Mother
Superior comes when she comes around.
She is the best ally to have on your side because she is very
capable and very intelligent And obviously has a long history of
service to surviving terrible battles.
So she knows what's what's up and how to help everyone.
And organize, everyone, I think she was also dealing with her
own personal stuff before she got to this, this point murder.
So she had her own personal, she is with Ava's, Thing.
Yeah, so like in, I guess this structure.
She's basically like the, a former warrior in a sense like
she, she obviously was like, part of the OCS and then was in
line to be the next Halo Bearer. But throughout the show, there's
this legend or myth that the Halo can reject posts.
And but nobody knows really if that's true or not.
Marry just like I heard. I just heard it and then we find
out in a moment with Ava that Mother Superior and is the one
that it rejected. She finds the scar on her back
and it's like, oh shit. And she's like, yeah, it
rejected me, I wasn't worthy because when when Ava first
comes Mother Superior and is like well that's where she's
critical of Ava because mothers appearing was like groomed for
this. Got it.
And then it rejected her, which has to be psychologically,
traumatizing for sure. And then she stays in the
organization. So like that, what a strong
woman. Omen for me to do that.
And so when Ava comes along and she's been a little shit about
it like that has to hurt because like she obviously wanted it
believed in this organization had the opportunity and then was
denied it and seen as unworthy and here's Ava being an asshole
about it. So like that had to rub her the
wrong way and when she's describing talking to dirty and
describing the rejects but you get the sense that Mother
Superior and really believes in like the structure of the way it
exists and like believes in the rules not stuff.
And she's like, They shouldn't be here if they failed.
Like, they're not worthy. It's like this worthiness theme
to like they're not worthy to be here.
They shouldn't be here to start seeing like the cracks in the
hierarchy and how the organization is being
manipulated. So that other people can gain
personal power, which is what the readies whole Arc is.
And so she's a question question, question question into
like the very end when she's like, oh fuck we were
manipulated but was my you, it was by the not a high priest was
being a housewife But with Mother Superior and she also
like, when you first see her, she's comes off as very
unfeeling cold, kind of like the distant mother, a stepmother
kind of kind of figure. It could bees were seeing things
through Ava's lens but there's a scene later where the ready
essentially takes over and he like sends the unloyal nuns way.
What, like Beatrice learned, she's being sent away, the not
high priest is being sent away, Mary's being sent away like he's
getting rid of people that aren't loyal to him and
replacing the organization with people loyal to him.
So a power grab is happening and Mother Superior that goes with
it because that's the hierarchy like it's coming from him, it's
coming from the Vatican, I can't.
That's the hierarchy and Mary calls her out and she's like,
She's like, I know, like you present yourself as somebody who
doesn't care, but I know and you keep your distance, but I know
it's because you actually care too much that you won't get
close to us. You won't really show us how
affectionate you are and how much you actually care about all
of us. So they get says a lot about how
Mother Superior was really forced to.
Like, put her own kind of walls, will be like, Beatrice does in
order to like exist in this role after being like projected by
the Halo and so she's a, an incredibly strong person and I'm
glad that we see at the end that like Does care.
She cares so much that she even like has a nice heart-to-heart
with Ava that I think meant a lot to her.
She was like, Hey, like look, you're worthy.
I get that now. Like I'm sorry.
It's basically he's like I'm sorry I reacted that way.
It's like my trauma. I get it now like it's fine.
Like I will sacrifice myself for you kind of thing because I
Sheba wholeheartedly believes in like what they're doing like
Beatrice does. And she's a badass and hot
Warrior and I'm like, yes, fuck, you halo like those scars.
I think the shoes, just kind of such a badass when she was
needed to come into her, her knowledge, she needed more time.
That's, that would be my read of the situation she needed, more
time to become Mother Superior. Yeah, I hope we get more of her
next season. So unfortunately we're going to
talk about sister Crimson, creeps me out.
Yep, I don't know. This is like one of those
things, where if I met the actress in person, I'm not sure
that I could get rid of totally, get rid of the whole sister
Crimson in my head. Yeah, she's so good.
She isn't, she's put, she's not a nun.
He's pretty, she's not a nun. Come the heck on?
Now, she's just a violent angry. Just using this position to rain
down. Violence and awfulness on
everyone that Durante points are at.
She's kind of like, The, the nun from the orphanage, like, if
that woman had been given a gun, she would have been this woman.
Just like, I'm gonna murder like, if she had been trained in
combat, you're right. This is this is like that
woman's daughter if she was totally like the younger
version, like had I have two different paths would be me.
Yeah, it's really scary lady. Yeah, using her position to
Justify all this crazy violence as a means to an end.
Yep. Whoever she is a little too
confident in her. Oh yeah.
Beatrice gets gets her in the end because she's hot and she's
amazing. Yeah, forms.
And I don't know if we're gonna have to deal with her this
coming season but she's alive. So maybe But maybe, maybe it was
just being a very glancing type. See, absolutely nothing
extensive. But yeah, I don't think it'd
take that much of sister. Crimson me neither.
My cup runneth over of sister Crimson.
Just from the scenes. We got ya, there was plenty.
Yeah, too much. So on, a more pleasant things
are last woman on the list, sister Shannon, who in is Canon
gay, and the true leader, who happens to stumble upon the
knowledge that everything she is being.
She finishes out that Vincent is sus basically and she kind of
finds out that all of this is the the warrior nun.
And the other members of the OCS are being manipulated to carry
out an agenda. That is not their own.
And she finds out way too much information for Vincent to be
okay with. And so, he basically
assassinates her because He's a fucking asshole.
Who's obsessed with a drill. So we are deprived of sister
Shannon and Mary being adorable and awesome together by this
asshole. Father, Vincent They drill by
extension. It's very sad.
I wish we could have had more time with sister Shannon.
I really enjoyed her when she was on screen.
And she's also smart enough to figure out that Vincent's ski.
Be conniving bastard. Yeah.
And I think another thing, I'll literally all of that.
And another thing I think is important to point out about
Shannon. If you really, she shows not buy
it like being on screen by the remnants of what she was doing
that, the warrior none, although is part of a Sisterhood
ultimately isolated by the burden of being the Halo Bearer.
That's just part, it's part of like being a leader and having a
responsibility. Nobody else has basically.
And so there's a this quest to essentially get into the room
adjacent to Shannon's room because Mary can't let the dead
lover thing go and it's like there has to be something.
So she finds this but Ava phases into the room and finds this
book that essentially hillock story.
Every single Halo Bearer ever and the room is really cool.
Like it's like this little alcove in between kind of like
walls and it's got this glowing gems and the book but it's like
sad though. It was really cool but it's like
this is all that's left of these women and it's just like Shannon
had to go in here and like basically reads stories with the
only people that can really understand her.
Like it's really it's sad when you actually think about it and
That's like foreshadowing of like Ava like Ava, this is going
to be you, to, girl, you gonna be hiding in a crypt with the
only people who could possibly understand.
You is like, from those book, which is really sad.
But it also shows like how clever she was too.
Because she left this message essentially of like, hey, don't
trust him, which say the name, girl, what the fuck?
That was stupid but like she leaves this message.
To the only person who could on who could get it would be the
next Halo bear. So, it's like, Shannon was
incredibly clever. And from hearing about her,
through the other characters, like she was basically, like the
ideal person to be in this position to like the best
leader. She was obviously, like a good
sister, like all that stuff. So it is tragic that we get like
glimpses of her through Ava's memories, but Yeah, I wish we
had. I hope we get to see Shannon and
another aspect of the show. I'm a little upset.
I've now knowing about the comics that her queerness wasn't
explicit and it's almost treated like platonic.
I'm hoping that's because we have Ava instead but like that
would have been nice to just be like yep and move on. but all
the signs are there that that probably was the case, but she
is not the focus of the show but still yep, June was My
character, so unfortunate. But here we are.
Here we, are, you we've got the story we've got and we're going
to see what happens. But for now we're going to end
this part of our Warrior non coverage because we can't
possibly fit into this episode just too much now no we need to
talk about it in an extensive extensive so as lesbian Jesus
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