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Cheers, queers. What's on the big gay agenda
today, Theora? Today we are talking about a
long anticipated and very beloved super gay show called
Our Flag Means Death. Oh gosh, how the heck of snow.
OK, so this is a show that like, I've been pestering Caitlin
about. And like, Caitlin, the show's
really funny. We should watch it.
We should watch it.
And then a bunch of people started following us on Twitter
and I was like, we definitely have to watch it now.
So here we are talking about our flag.
But it's not like I was saying, no, we're not.
And we would just. We just have a lot.
We would, yeah. We're very busy with filming, so
here we are. All right, so basically, we're
going to spend many episodes going through the two seasons of
our Flag Means Death. If you haven't watched it and
don't want to be spoiled, just stick around in the beginning
for the first like 5-10 minutes and we'll do like a spoiler free
review. If you don't know what it's
about, to kind of give you a heads up and you can decide
whether or not you want to watch it afterwards.
We will be spoiling everything for the first episode to the
very, very last. But don't worry, we will give a
warning when we get there. Yes, and we may have a guest
throughout our Our flag Means death coverage.
You may know her as Zoe. No, she her name is Zoe.
Even know her as Zoe, 'cause that's her name.
She's been in our reaction videos.
Yeah, that's what I was trying. So you may know her from our
reaction videos. It's been a long day already,
but it's going to get longer so. Before we get into our non
spoiler section, I need to do what I am always doing, but this
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So that's that. Now we're going to jump into our
flag means death. So if you've never watched it
and you want to watch it, it is currently, at the time of this
recording, streaming on HBO Max. And yes, I'm going to use that
term because I refuse to call it Max because that's a stupid name
for a streaming service. I I mean, it is the title
though. HBO Max.
HBO Max all offense because they cancelled our flag means death
before they can complete their third and final season.
OK, so, so don't let that deter you.
Honestly, it ends in a place that's like it tells a story.
It doesn't feel like if you didn't know, like, anything
about the show and you watched it, you're like, oh, this is the
this is a good ending. This is where it's meant to end.
Yes. It's not like Warrior Done,
where one person jumps in a portal and the other one doesn't
and they don't get to say I love you to each other.
It doesn't end like that at all. It actually is pretty
satisfying. That may has well been a barrier
gaze thing. That literally was the act.
It was a terrible ending. Like, come on now.
Anyway, So Caitlin, would you like to tell tell everybody
about what our flag weed death is?
Sure, based on the true adventures of 18th century,
would be pirate would be pirate Steve Bonnett.
Wow. Pirate.
This is what Google says after trading in the seemingly charmed
Life of a gentleman for one of a swashbuckling Buccaneer, Steed
becomes captain of the pirate ship Revenge.
Struggling to earn the respect of his potentially mutinous
crew, Steed's fortunes change. After a fateful run in with the
infamous Captain Blackbeard, Steed and crew attempt to get
their ship together and survive life on the high seas.
I'm sorry, that sounds really funny.
Get your ship together. I'm so funny to do it.
You're right. Get your ship together.
You're right. Stop with the merch.
There's so many designs I have to make.
I need people to. If you want any of these designs
that we've talked about in our reaction videos, if you haven't
checked those out, make sure you do.
And anything we talk about here, please let me know because if
there's no interest I'm not going to bother, but if you are
interested in what these and they were Co captains.
And they were Co captains. Turning something into whatever
I have to go back. There's a whole.
Record. Let us know.
What is it? Get your ship together.
Get your ship. Together, Yes, so so.
Moving on in a non spoilery way, how would you describe our flag?
Me and Seth, using up to 3 words, I would say lawless queer
joy. I just.
I forgot what I wrote. I know.
OK, so mine is Queer Pirate's Pirate with a question mark on
the end. And Zoe's not here, but I have
to read theirs because not only did they not follow the rules,
but also it's accurate. So Zoe wrote Be gay, do crime.
That was just the shirt I wore today, but I was.
Planning. I was planning on giving them
shit for not following the three words, but it's.
Accurate. It is accurate.
OK, so all right, to sum up the non spoilery section, we're
going to let you know how much we would hydrate for lesbian
Jesus. So if you've never been here
before and you don't know what that's all about, this is a
scoring system that was developed by the big gay energy
scientists, which is a super accurate method for determining
how valuable a piece of queer media is to the Queer Media
Library. Why are we hydrating?
Because queer media, like water, is essential for life.
So, Caitlin, how much would you hydrate for lesbian Jesus?
9 Because there could be more queers and not everyone is
queers. So many people are queer than
they are. No, I don't know.
I I haven't finished my scale. I told you it's.
I don't know if the scale will ever be done, but I think I
don't know. All the water on the high seas
for this. I mean, yeah OK fine, I'll give
it A10I stuck with numbers. I I don't know what I was basing
the night off of. I finally I finally gave in and
gave heartstopper A10. So like, it takes a lot to give
me to give a 10 out. I mean, Heartstopper is a 10.
It's hard to give it. Heartstopper is like perfect
heart biking does. Honestly, it's great because
it's adults being adults and just like it.
Just the queer joy of it all, honestly is so refreshing.
Because now there's I I will give it a 10 because of the non
binary Rep and the conversation with Steed and Mary.
That was cute. And just like Ed and Steve's
journey was really sweet. And then, like, there's a lot of
other queer characters and queer journeys, and like Calypso's
birthday on its own. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, honestly, this show is really special and fantastic.
And another thing I really appreciate is the episodes are
30 minutes long, which yes, I oh God, like, I appreciate that so
much. Like just to have something
quick and satisfying that's funny and upbeat.
Like I want more shows like this.
Let's mention it's 30 minutes long.
Theor's notes are still like it's an hour.
Episode though they are definitely are not like my notes
are like they don't even fill a page per episode.
No, there's just a lot to talk. About there's a lot to talk
about and just it's it's very satisfying.
Like I enjoy it. All right.
So that's the, at this point, we have transitioned, we're
transitioning into our spoiler zone for the rest of this, the
episodes that we're going to do about this.
So if you haven't seen our flag means that then you are now
situated and interested go to HBO Max and go watch it.
It'll take you a couple hours. Weird word.
You're welcome. We're going to.
That's your word. Go spell that in the comments
without. Looking at it and use it
somehow, I was titulated by thinking you.
Can inner. Review you have.
An inner review? No, please.
Be glad. That'd be so funny.
Anyway, we're going to, we're going to cover it now, and we're
going to basically cover it chronologically from like first
episode to last episode. So you can kind of, like follow
along that way. So let's get in to all the Super
queer content. So let's start.
Just a little overview, not over overview.
Set the premise 'cause you kind of said it in your spoiler free
review. But basically this store is the
store. This story is essentially like
alternate universe historical fiction.
Yes, and as I've I've done like slight research into behind the
scenes emphasis on the fiction part, 'cause there's like a
running joke where they didn't actually do any research for it.
So that's just no fiction, Don't like historically accurate
representation. I did see an interview where
Tyka was like, as soon as I heard that.
It's like loosely bit like no one actually knows the the true
story of Blackbird. He's like, that was that's
bullshit. I'll just create my own.
While Reese actually took sailing lessons, he would.
That's cute. I mean is that not the two
characters? It's really funny.
Oh my God, it's like I'm gonna do all the things to.
Be prepared for this. Oh my God that's so Steed that
coded and so funny. Yeah.
So and basically it is loosely based on Steve Bonnet and
Blackbeard essentially during a time period where they met and
sailed together and became Co captains question mark.
Nobody really knows what happened.
They just know that there was this period of time where they
were together And so the writers of the show were like.
So they were together. They were they, they they we
know historically they met. There was a period of time they
sailed together, but nobody really knows what happened
during that time. So like this, this is like an
alternate universe of like, well, what if they were gay?
And like basically we're like, what if they were gay lovers?
How does that work? And that that's basically the
show. Yeah, I know.
I I don't know anything about history in general, but
definitely nothing about pirates.
I I'm pretty sure like most of my life, I thought it was just a
made-up thing. No, I mean, piracy exists now,
but like basically, yeah, So it takes place during the golden
age of piracy. And that's basically at a time
where like all the empires of the work, quote the, you know,
the Western empires kind of like were pretty stationary in their,
like empires and we're trading with each other.
And so people who had like, no life prospects essentially in
the countries were like fuck this and like went to the sea to
just like pillage all this trading and then make their own
money because the basically the the ocean was lawless.
And they're just like, we'll escape the crowns and just do
our own thing. But it got to a point, the
golden age, it got to a point where it was so bad that
basically the governments, the imperialists were like, fuck, we
gotta do something about this 'cause we're losing all of our
shit and like all of our supplies and they're so they
made navies and like we're trying to stop them.
And that's you can see that sprinkled through the the show.
So like that's where. Maggies came from.
No, I mean, navies always existed, but they used the
navies to go after these pirates.
Got it. Navies were used for, you know.
War. Sea battles and like imperialism
and colonialism all that shit. But like they turned, they hyped
up these navies to like, get go after the pirates because they
were losing money. Not not to make this like a
history lesson, but I'm dumb. Or just don't.
I'm not ineligible. Is the SEA lawless like now?
I mean, there's something called maritime law where there is like
laws associated with the sea, but there are pockets like they
call like international waters where it's like, well, whose
jurisdiction is this? I don't know enough about it,
but I'm sure there are pockets where like, well, nobody sees
it. How do you know what happened
like? And the tree falls in the
forest, and no one's around the. Earth If two men fall in love on
the ocean, did it happen? We don't know.
Like that's basically the historical gap we have with
Steed and Ed. Ed And So what we do know is
that eventually Steed get and I think where season three
possibly was headed was like the reality of it is that Steed was
like captured at some point and put on trial.
So there's like the trials of Steve Bonnett and his pirate
crew. And that's kind of where we're
getting some of this other information from about like who
was on his ship. And like he kind of told his
side of the story. And that's like a historical
document me half of what happened to Seed.
But the thing that is definitely integrated into the show is the
fact that Seed wasn't a typical pirate.
Like, he literally was a privileged white man in the in
the imperialist society. Like he was living in a
Caribbean island, Barbados specifically, it was colonized
by England. He owned slaves.
Like, not a great role model of a person, but like, he was a
typical man of his time that was extremely privileged.
And he said fuck it. And like decided to be a pirate
was, which was the antithesis of like, who he like.
This is a society he was grown into.
And so he he was actually known as like the gentleman pirate,
Like actually historically. And like it said in the show,
polite menace was his brand 'cause, you know.
You know, I'm good with just pretending like the show is
fully accurate because I would like to think that this is what
actually happened. I like mermaid included.
Exactly. So then and then Edward teaches
Blackbeard, the famous Blackbeard who's on here.
And then we have Jiang Jiangi Sao.
I think I've probably seen that wrong.
I apologize. Who shows up in season 2?
Whom like I've been waiting for ATV show about this person for
so long because I heard about her a long time ago and I was
like, where is her television show?
Because this woman was real and was like the most successful
pirate of all time. She was known as the pirate
queen but and she basically like took over China, like like her
husband was a pirate basically. And she like doubled his fleet,
took over the Chinese like and like basically held China
hostage until they got to the end of like the golden age of
piracy. And she, like, was so good at
negotiating. Basically.
She negotiated with China and was like, pardon my 80,000
teeth, like Fleet crew. And they did.
And so she got to live out her lives very her life, very
comfortably. Like she, she was the most
successful pirate of all times, not just like a woman like, Oh
my. So, like, I love that she shows
up and like how she's portrayed because like she was the most
successful, like more successful in Blackbeard and like.
They need to give her a spin off.
Then I want she deserves a. Show just about.
I agree. Like, her life is fascinating.
Like, actually. So like, I love that she shows
up. All right, So that's like the
back story of like, this AU that we're in about all these really
cool pirates. And it's just like a comedy and
it's super fun. And so we start with episode
one. And I love the way we start set
the tone with this, which it starts with Frenchy serenading
us, basically. And he's like singing about what
it's like to like to be a pirate.
And he's one of the lines is a pirate's life is short but nice.
So to me, like this song and particularly that line sums up
basically the whole, the significance of the whole show.
Like basically all these people are outlaws.
Pirates are outlaws. And it's not an easy life like
the show does do a good job of like kind of showing you like
this is pretty dangerous what they're doing.
It's there's no real stability here.
In general, like, Steve makes things different, but like in
general, like, it's dangerous. But when they're out at sea and
they're beyond the laws of the land, they can live
authentically, right? So like this whole, the trade
off is like, well, I can live my authentic self despite the
risks. And I think that's the message
of the show, not piracy in general, but like the message of
the characters in the show. They'd rather be themselves,
like, IE be queer in the 1700s when this happened, like out at
sea, even if it's just for a short time.
I get to be me. So, like, it's like it's a short
life, but it's nice. And I think that's like the
thesis of the show. So this kind of reminds me of
Rainbow Islands, where they I mean, they were exiled, but like
they had a choice to either like live inauthentic and be with
society or get exiled but live their true selves.
Yeah. If you don't know what we're
talking about, that's a book we covered and we talked to the
author about. That's it basically was based
off this Tumblr post that was like, well, if gay people were
all sent off to an island, that gay people would all die out
because that's not how biology works or whatever.
And so, like, all these people were just like writing all these
things to be like, bisexual people exist and like all this
stuff. And so Devin was like, let me
write a book based on this post. And it's incredible.
But yeah, exactly. And so that's kind of what
piracy is, you know, what, like what they're trying to show.
Like all these people. Like kind of like left quotes,
normal society to just be who they are.
And that's basically what Steed's journey is, because we
really pick this up with Steed after he abandons his family,
essentially, and like, goes to live out his dream as a pirate.
And we open with him and his crew, basically.
And that's where the song is coming from.
He's already kind of like pirating, kind of like he's
getting started. He's got the crew, he's got the
ship. And so yeah, and, and and the
same thing can be said of Ed like when they meet and kind of
converge, like they're both on this journey of like abandoning
their past selves or their past lives basically they didn't
truly bring them joy. And so they embark on this Co
captain adventure where they figure out how to be the their
authentic selves. So I like that the show
immediately like, tells you what this is going to be about and
like sets the tone that it's going to be like, you know,
funny and serious and like, I love it.
This show, it's It's really funny.
It's so. Fun.
And it's one of the. Best parts about it, agreed.
But I want to talk about Steve's captain style and like how he
runs his crew, and I think it can be summoned, summed up as a
respectful preschool teacher. That's accurate.
So one of the first things we hear is his famous saying that
he wants to teach his crew and that's just he wants them to be
vulnerable and talk about their failings.
So he's like, if we have an issue, we.
Talk it through as a crew I was. Hoping you'd catch on that, and
I just think it's so great that he really cares about the mental
health of his crew and encourages everyone to talk
about instead of bottling up like I'm assuming you normally
do as a pirate. Because I feel like pirates are
not usually emotional beings. I mean, yeah, look at
Blackbeard, right, They one of his intros is like, I don't know
what fear is like. It's the Pirates, Like it's like
hyper masculinity, right? Where it's like the only emotion
you're allowed to have is anger and the only way you assert your
authority is by is through fear tactics and like imposing A
hierarchy. Or I'm the captain, you never
question me. You just obey me or else.
And Steve flips all of that on his head and he's like.
We're a. Team like, like, let's process
our emotions, not bottle them up or punch each other like he's
trying to like, I don't know, change all that.
Ed is an authoritative parrot, while steed is gentle parroting.
Literally, yeah. And but it's like that's how you
know these environments where it's mostly men like men for all
their, you know, saying that, you know, women are the the
subservient ones. It's like men really like
hierarchies and like being subservient to like men, alpha
men that they see above them. And that's what like
Blackbeard's crew is. Whereas like Steve was never
once ever thought of his alpha male look at all his past
trauma. Like we'll talk about all that.
Nobody thought anything of Steve.
And Steve doesn't fit the bucket of like alpha male hyper
masculinity Like he's he's very much somebody who's in tune with
his feelings and was forced to bottle them up because that's
what being a man is or whatever. So now that he's out on the crew
and he doesn't have to hide any of that, he's like, no, let's
like, you know, when you're having feelings, have them,
let's talk about it. Let's do an art project like
let's like be constructive about this and the end result is like
it ends up bonding his crew together a lot better than like,
you know the 'cause when you're in like the fear tactic world,
we see other like pirate crews throughout the course of the two
seasons. Like, you'll notice that like a
mutiny. They're like, fuck this, we
don't like this. Like we'll just get a new
captain. But with Steve, like the crew is
a lot, you know, more bonded by the end of it.
Like, yeah, they try to mutiny but like in the beginning, but
they don't even actually see. But.
Eventually they they get to a better place and they're like,
wow, we have it real good with Steve.
Like, this is actually a better situation, you know?
Yeah. And going back to the preschool
teacher thing, like he gives them bedtime stories.
So cute. And he does the voices.
And that's like everybody's favorite part, which is so cute
and like a very preschool thing. It's just it's adorable that
they want it and like, it's one of their favorite things.
It's just like we. Can't mutiny we wouldn't get the
voice. Right.
Exactly. Like, literally in the pilot.
One of the reasons they refused to mutiny is they're like, well,
we need to know what happens next in Steve's bedtime story.
And they're like, also you. Nobody else could do his the
voices, right? So like, we can't mutiny, We'll
never know what happens. Just so cute.
Funny. And then so that was nap time,
bedtime. And then we have crafts.
So Steed has them reframe their criticism to suggestions, which
prompts the flag making scene. So they were all like throwing
criticism around. He's like, OK, well, how can we
reframe this? How can we make this something
positive? You're you criticize that we
don't have a flag, All right. Let's make one.
And then has everyone make one. So.
And then he says that creative products projects let his crew
work out their problems in a healthier way, which is very
true. And which is why there is art
therapy, because it lets you, and sometimes you don't even
know it's in there until you start creating something.
That's usually how our episodes go to Yeah, this is our creative
arts therapy. That's right.
Welcome to. Big day therapy.
So one of the pirates, I forget who makes a flag with a Frenchie
makes a flag with a cat on it, which he says when Roche asks
what is it. I understand where this is
going. OK, so this is going to be
really random, but hopefully it resonates with at least a small
subset of our audience. I have been watching another
show from my childhood before this, so this has come from
that. I have AI.
Have a little song for you. What's that?
A cat. Crazy, funky junkie cat.
Overslept. Probably purring trying to look
like Salem Spellman. We've been there, we've done
that. We see right through your funky
cat. Now, if you know what that was a
take on, let us know in the comments.
I know Theora wouldn't know. I was.
I was hoping if Zoe was here that maybe they would know
because it was a kid show. So yeah, welcome to my brain.
Thank you for that, Kaitlyn. I will say, though, back to the
show that I do love Frenchies. So like, basically the point is
they're all making all these flags and everybody's trying to
make the flag that they think is terrifying.
And so it's just, it just shows you a lot about the character by
what they think is terrifying. So Frenchie picks a cat and I
love the explanation and he's like, 'cause I think it's
relatable. He's like, he's basically like,
well, they have like knives on their hand, on their paws and
like all this stuff, which I think is really funny.
But he also thinks they're witches, like, but I think
that's like the. Superstition against the black
cat thing. Oh, exactly.
He's very superstitious, like his superstitions come out, but
his like, part of what he was talking about was, I thought was
relatable. It's like they're little, you
know, they're little witches with knives on their feet.
They do have knives on their feet.
They are terrifying. And I love that this flag keeps
coming up. And later on Spanish Jackie sees
it. She's like, is that a?
Cat and I like when. Crunchy's always like, they're
scary. I like, I like trying to defend
this flag whenever. It's like, why is there a cat on
this? I mean, cats can be very
terrified because you don't know how they're gonna react.
Can I? Can I?
We're tiny jungle cats and we have a jungle cat later in the
show. So anyway, but I love the whole
flag making scene with Steed's crew, 'cause I think it's it's a
truly brilliant move because not only is he having them process
feelings like you said, I think it's more than that by having
the crew create, because the flag is like the symbol of the
crew, it's like what the enemy sees.
So it's a big deal to have a good flag.
And so to basically let the crew make it, it's giving them a
stake in their company slash ship slash their pirate group.
So like it it it would reduce the chance of them mutiny
because they now have a stake in the the success of this or at
least like delay the mutiny basically.
So I think it was a good move like strategically since they
were about to mutiny to like be like, hey, let's make this your
own like you picked the scary thing.
So I thought that was really brilliant.
Yeah, I do Like how Steed treats people as equals rather than
people too. Yeah, things.
Humanity. Which is again, atypical for
pirates because like, you know, you see the way the other
pirates treat them when Izzy's in charge, he's like, you're
just labor. He's like, why aren't you
working? You're not allowed to sit
around, you're not allowed to eat unless I tell you, like
Steve, teach them like people like, you know, which is not
common again in this atmosphere. Another thing I love from the
flag making scene is we learn about Weijon.
He admits that he used to sew dresses with his mother, which I
think is adorable and like comes up later as like part of his
character, which I think is cute.
This this line was actually ad libbed by the actor because his
mother used to make dresses for him to be used in drag.
And I forget if he made it with her or if she just made it, but
that's that's how he came up with that line.
I love that. Also the improv I it's great.
I love that. They were allowed to improv
things. In the same interview I talked
about earlier, Taika was like They mentioned that Taika had
said that he can figure out if someone's good at improv and he
lets the people who are good do it.
And if you're not good at it, you're not allowed to improv.
That's funny, which I mean is fair, but how do you get better
at improv if you don't try? But then you'd be there all day
if they're like, terribly. We got time for that.
They ain't got time. For that, well, he's like, I'm
too experienced for this, but back to the preschool thing,
because like, this is the more you look into it, the more it
is. Steed also made sure they had
all the amenities for their special classes.
They had a library class, gym Class, A music room, a ballroom.
In case things get fancy, you never know.
No, the ballroom was cannonballs.
Oh, a cannonball. Just kidding.
But I also love that they got paid no matter what.
And they're like, it is odd that they wanted the mutiny in the
beginning. And like, I guess it's not the
typical lifestyle that they were expecting as a pirate, but they
really are getting treated well just normally.
It's like they're having they get paid no matter what, like
even if they don't actually get anything from pirating, which
where is he getting this money? Like 'cause at some point this
money has to you just muted yourself.
So they mentioned it's because the vacuum's going.
They mentioned it in the beginning, but basically he sold
off like a portion of his land before he got on the ship, like
to pay for the ship and then for him to have money.
So there's got to be like money stowed away on this ship
somewhere because he and I think smartly, he was like, well,
they're going to kill me and steal the money.
So he had probably had like probably one of his secret
compartments that he had built into the ship, because nobody
knows the schematics except him, probably houses all the money
that he has. I wonder if it's not liquid
money and it's just 'cause he talks about one piece of
furniture that was I maybe a family heirloom or like
something that wasn't really expensive.
So I wonder if he has items like that as the money.
Yeah. I think it's both.
I think he has money cause like at one point he's like, yeah, we
stopped somewhere and I bought all this marmalade.
Like, he has liquid money where he's like buying shit and like,
he has to pay them in money. But I mean when their wages were
like, nothing compared because of wage disparity, it was
nothing compared to money he had.
But yeah, like they the reason they're not happy is because
he's not a fearsome captain. Like if if they've pirated
before, like, they're like, what is this?
Like this man cannot be serious. He cannot seriously pay us every
week. That's crazy.
And he and we're not looting, like, how are we going to keep
going? So like, I understand why
they're skeptical because they're like, this isn't what I
this isn't pirating. This is ridiculous.
Going on a cruise for free. Getting paid for it.
This is going on a cruise for free and getting paid for it.
Literally so like as time goes on, like the smart ones are
like, this is a sweet gig. Like eventually they're like,
this is a sweet gig, shut up. But you know if if you're trying
to compare yourself to like, you know the goal is to, like work
for Blackbeard. This is the opposite of
Blackbeard. Like you're not going to get
there. Right.
So part of part of being a pirate is desperation because
you have no other financial options.
So you sell yourself to be gay, do crime, basically.
The other thing is like, why Steve did it.
It's like, oh, it sounds like an adventure.
Or like some people are like, I do it for glory.
It's like what glory you're gonna get working for Steve.
Like, you know, they're you're not gonna just get respect on
the ship, but like, they're laughing, stocked in the
community with pirates. And that's what I mean.
Like that's not glory. Like, you know, the way men seek
glory by doing these things. So.
But I love seeds reasoning behind paying them no matter
what. And he says that is a lot of
mental pressure to steal, to live.
So he wants his crew to know they will always be able to eat.
And that's a huge thing in life today, even because people don't
know where their next meal's coming from, and that's why they
need people looking out for them.
I mean that that is literally the reason why all these men
turned to piracy, because they didn't know where their next
meal was coming from, 'cause they couldn't find work.
Like, that's how they became pirates.
Like, 'cause there's a conversation later that happens
with oh, wow, And and Steed, where he's like, Steed, this is
all like fantastical and like mythical sounding and fun
sounding to you. But he's like, we're not here
because of that. We're here because we had no
other option. Like.
So he is, in a way, treating them better than they would have
ever been treated. Like that's the reason they
became pirates. They didn't have safety, They
didn't have financial security. And like, I think part of them
resents Steed because they're like you gave up all of that to
like, choose this ridiculous life that we were, We had no
other option but to do so. It's like kind of a a clashing
of things that's happening there that like some of them.
I I wouldn't blame them if they were resentful of Steve, 'cause
he's the steed for like, choosing to abandon the thing
they would have literally killed to have, which was financial
security and all that kind of. Stuff that is fair.
It's kind of like the grass is greener thing.
Yeah, no. And that's exactly what it is.
Like, totally, totally, totally. But basically, Steed is just
very super liberal. Yeah, I mean they're they paint
him as kind of like forward thinking away, but he isn't.
I think he's trying to, he's just trying to do things in a
more civilized way. He's like, you know, when when
he was on his plantation or whatever, like I'm sure there
were some employees that he paid and was like, well, if I give
them food and like they'll they have their next meal, they won't
revolt like you know, things. Like that.
Yeah, no, that is the problem. He is trying to merge and not
like fully commit to one life or the other, which is what gets
him in trouble in season one, for absolute sure.
Yeah. OK.
I'll skip, yeah. OK so one thing so kind of touch
on this a little bit what the something I do like about the
show because it is a fiction by Caitlin.
It is like a fiction AU basically alternate universe
fiction. So it does a good job of being
like funny and like a little not self aware.
But, you know, they do things where they, like, invent fan
fiction and like they, you know, they.
Keep I love the fan fiction comments.
That was so funny. Whenever a show brings up fan
fiction, I'm like, yes, you get it.
You know what's happening. But like to do that in the 1700s
where like there was no fan fiction like I.
And so I think it's, it's relatable to a modern audience,
I guess is what I'm saying. And like, so when you the fact
that you called Steve liberal, like and he's relatable to a
modern audience, he's like, yeah, that's who you should
treat employees. But like that's atypical for his
time period. So I think it does a good job of
kind of like balancing like, I don't know like our modern
brains with like the glorification of pirates, which
is where Steve's mindset was with like the harsh reality of
like what pirating actually was and like why these these people
were actually pirates. They they had no other option.
They were desperate to like survive And so I love that and
and I love that it it to us, Steve seems like the norm, but
he's really not the norm for that time.
And if you know, you contrast that and I've mentioned that and
contrasting that with his crew who's like you know, they were
desperate to be pirates. And then, you know, Blackbeard
too is another interesting kind of character where he's he's set
up as like, yes, that's what a pirate should be.
But then when you, like, peel back the layers of Blackbeard
and you're like, this is a traumatized human, like the
reality, like, it's like all you know is the legend of
Blackbeard. Like they, they, you know, Izzy
pulls out the OR Steve pulls out the book.
Izzy does too. Where it's like, this is a
picture of Blackbeard, like the fan fiction version, like the
legend, the scary person. But like when you meet him, he's
like he's just a person who's been through hell.
And like, he's also just trying to survive like all these other
pirates. And so it's like the
glorification versus like the realities of it.
I think they do a good job of balancing that in the show in a
really good way. I believe it's Black Pete for
some reason. That sounds wrong to me.
No, it's. Yeah, but that's so Black Pete.
Like even when he is describing Blackbeard, it's like smoke.
And glowing, right? He doesn't have a head.
He's just smoke. Yeah, like, exactly.
Because they don't know him at all.
It's clearly they're just buying into all the stories of
Blackbeard, that that's the fan fiction, really, of him of the
day, the oral fan fiction that gets, like, told about him.
But then when you meet him, you're like, he's just a sad
versus lonely person, you know? Yeah.
OK. So a big part of the
representation on this show is Jim Jim's secret identity is I
had no idea where this was going.
I thought that this is just what Jim was.
I mean, that's what you're supposed to think until the
whole disguise scene. So when we first meet Jim, they
are a guy who's mute, mute for a good.
First of all, you don't want. They're probably, like so
excited that they're a mute because they didn't have to have
these meaningless conversations. And we then find out that they
killed one of Spanish Jackie's 20 now, 19 later, 18 husbands
and have gone into hiding with Olu.
It's important to note that Jim
killed the guy to get revenge on the guy who killed.
Yeah, I think it's the same guy. Like they made sure to kill the
same person who killed her father.
And her mission is to kill all seven people involved in that
massacre. Yeah, the thing that starts the
feud with Spanish Jackie is that Spanish Jackie's favorite
husband is the one that killed Jim's dad and basically took
over their entire estate. And so, yeah, that starts the
feud. And then it's more of Jim's back
story is Jim was taken in by a nun when they became an orphan
and was taught patience to kill and to butcher awe to get
revenge. And we get a scene of little Jim
trying to capture this mouse. And I forget the nun's name.
I'm terrible with names, but she's like, wait for it.
Just wait. Wait for it to fully show itself
and then capture it. So Jim has a lot of patience.
Yeah. It's quite ironic that a nun is
teaching them to kill them. Nuns are wild people, that's all
I'm saying. I mean, have we seen nothing
from Warrior Nun? Not really.
So Spanish Jackie ends up setting a trap, knowing that Jim
would come back if she bruised their ego.
So egos go pretty far anywhere, any time period.
Everyone has an ego, but Spanish Jackie knows Jim, So I feel like
there's more I I want to see more flashbacks between their
interactions. Agreed.
Yeah, OK, so the trap worked. At the end of the episode, Jim's
identity is revealed. So basically Spanish Jackie
spotted Jim. Jim tried to come in with their
disguise on that everyone else thinks is not a disguise and
Spanish Jackie like pretends to flirt with them.
And it's just, it's hilarious. And you think Jim thinks that
they're getting away with it and at the end they are getting
taken. Sorry this, this.
There's so many, like, takeovers that it blends together in my
brain on this ship. But basically the guy who works
for Spanish Jackie takes off Jim's beard and takes off the
prosthetic nose. And so everyone knows that Jim
isn't who they say they are. And it's very it takes a while
for the crew to understand Jim afterwards.
Oh my God, this was the best. So to clarify, oh wow.
Knew was the only person who knew who Jim was.
But now the whole crew finds out that Jim is not this mute guy
that they thought Jim was. Yes, OK.
And like that seems to be the hardest part for the entire crew
to understand is that Jim isn't mute.
That was the first thing they picked on.
Not the, the. I mean, yeah the the guy thing
was a big part, but the mute thing was I think the first one
that you're not mute. And then and then it becomes
like, is Jim gonna keep their name?
Because Jim is strictly for dudes, but but apparently the
name Margaret could be either. Hey, English names are weird.
Like some English names that we use now for like 1 gender was
the other gender away but back in that time period.
So like, yeah. Yeah, it's it's interesting.
Names are interesting in general.
Like we make fun of celebrities for naming kids like Apple and
things, but like. As you should.
But like common people name weird things all the time
anyway. But anyway, Buttons.
Make sure to say that he wants to be called Jim if Jim is no
longer using the name. Is it Buttons?
I don't remember. I made the Swede.
I was like, well, because like the Swede doesn't have a name.
They just call him the Swede. So he's.
Like, OK, that makes more sense. For some reason even when I was
researching for interviews I get buttons and Swede confused.
Just the character names and I don't know why but so forgive
me. And then we get to the mermaid
conversation. The crew thinks Jim is a
mermaid, much to Jim's This may, and to be fair they are trying
to just make sense of it and they've probably never met a non
binary person before and I don't think we ever have them saying
that they are non binary. We don't get that conversation
with their pronouns, I believe. So here's the deal, like there
is no language for that at this particular time.
So the fact that they do things like quote, invent the term fan
fiction on the fly and things like that, like they're trying
to use term like they will invent like Frenchie often does
that where he's like we'll call this a reading nook And like
things like where they like invent modern terms like and we
watch them do it in real time show there is no language for
not binary. I don't even know if there's
language for gay like you never hear that term either.
Like these weren't like common. No, we do.
Use we do hear the. Word.
Oh, do they? OK, well, like, it's the it's
the Mary Steed conversation. Wait.
Like queer wouldn't be a term that queer that as a word would
have been used differently. It means odd, not like.
Not a way to describe a sexuality like so.
I might be wrong about that, by the way, I don't.
I actually don't know if the word.
Was used. But either way it doesn't matter
like that that like gender was not thought of like that in in
English society, which is where a lot of these people are kind
of coming from. So like, I don't know that they
would necessarily have a common language to describe this is
what I'm getting at. And so they're what they're
doing in this scene is they're they're doing, they're having
the conversation about Jim's gender a little bit, like who
Jim really is, but they don't have the language for it.
So that's why they're like, are you a mermaid?
Like, they're trying to figure it out, but they, they're using
the language that they know. They're seafaring people.
They're like mermaid, mermaid. Does that make sense, Jim?
Like really, what is your name now then?
Like I feel like, are you? Especially back then, like
mermaid is kind of gender neutral.
I mean, there's there's nothing, there's just a tail made.
Well, is means what the word. But yeah, but like, actually, I
just mean I did. Yeah, visually, I guess.
Like you could argue. 'Cause I I know not, I don't
know personally, but like, I heard that a lot of trans people
have a connection with myrrh people, we'll say, because it's
just there's just a tale. So there's no doesn't matter
what genitalia you have. So yeah, that is true.
And like, yeah, that maybe that's the metaphor that they're
using for the term. They don't have.
That's very, very plausible. So it's funny to us to be like,
oh, they think Jim's a mermaid. Like they're having a
conversation about Jim's gender right now, really in like the
language that they possess, which is super clever.
And I like the way this whole conversation goes cause nobody's
judging Jim. They're just trying to
understand. They're like, well, what do we,
who are you? Like we we've been living with
basically a stranger this whole time.
Like what's your name? Like, what do we call you?
The one problem I have with it too is when they're like, well,
you gotta leave the ship though, 'cause, like women can't be on
the ship because there's a cause.
Again, Frenchie goes into the superstition, like women on
board cause curses and things like that, and which was a
superstition and Jim's just that, shut down.
Jim's like I've been here the whole time.
And then they're like we did get captured or whatever.
Yeah, we did get raided not that long ago and he's like, that's
the only time. But like that's you should have
been rated more or less. Be honest but I'm I guess in
their world a a mirror person is possible.
I mean, Buttons is a sequel. Buttons is basically a sea
witch, like let's be real. I'm not kidding, I thought I got
that right. Like buttons is the sequel
person, right? OK, just making sure.
Yeah, but I do. I do love the, I love this whole
conversation. I love this is how the writers
choose to have like quote a coming out Jim coming out to the
crew kind of conversation and the resolution is just keep
calling me Jim. Basically like Jim is like what
has really has really changed. Like I thought this was so
beautiful and executed so well because the crew really at the
end of the day they're struggling to put Jim in a box.
Like they're they're struggling to be like oh, how do we think
of you Jim? Because before we just thought
of you as Jim the mute guy. But you're not a mute guy and
you might not be Jim. Like what are like who are you
is like what they're trying to get at.
And because Jim is this non binary character that doesn't
fit like traditional labels, like I said, for the language
they had at the time, like Jim doesn't even have the language.
So you explain who they are. Like, I highly doubt that.
So at the end of the day, Jim is just like, I'm the same old
person who's been part of this crew this whole time.
And once, once the conversation is framed like that, that's when
the crew relaxes and they're like, oh, we know who Jim is.
Jim's a great guy. We love Jim like.
So once they're like, OK, nothing has actually changed.
Now that you've told us this part of you, I love that it's
just a good, like, queer experience of like, coming out
and like, the people who don't understand, like, process it and
go like, oh, you are the same person you were a minute ago,
OK, we love Jim. Jim's a great guy and they just
like, just keep thinking of me as Jim.
That's it. Nothing has actually changed.
So I just love the way it's resolved.
I'm also wondering if becoming Jim helped them as a person to
become to really come into their own.
Because I believe they were female presenting beforehand.
Yeah, let me get maybe this is their way of exploring more who
they are and this is like the first time that they could be
themselves. And like, finally, this is a
weight that everyone knows, everyone knows now like I can.
And you get to see Jim become Jim now, 'cause you don't know
who they are. And you see the personality
start to come out. And I love it you.
You see Vico's personality start to come.
Out. Yeah.
You're just Vico's and no, but like, we'll we'll get to that
later when we get to the episode where like Jim goes home.
To. Saint Augustine and like I'll
talk about it there later. But yeah, Jim like Jim made a
transformation in this moment too.
So I think I agree with you. I think Jim is owning a bit like
that's the whole point of the show, like I said.
So I think Jim is starting to own who they are basically.
Yeah. And not and and not that they
didn't, but it's like Jim is not hiding it.
So then we, the audience get to see it.
All right, cool. So that was like basically
episode 2, Episode 3. This is when we go to the
Republic of Pirates, which the Republic of Pirates is actually
like this. What we see in the show is based
on a real place that was in the Bahamas during the golden age of
piracy, which is when the show was basically taking place.
And it was basically like a hub and like a safe space for
pirates. And it's basically ruled by this
like informal pirate code that all the pirates had going on.
So even though they're like Wallace, like pirates have their
own code amongst each other for like respect and like, I feel
like. It's a typical thing to have
like any type of people who come together to have like this not
government but these like set of rules and how you behave and.
It's called the social contract. Anytime you have a society
quote, there are a set of rules established for like behavior
and like interactions and things.
That's called the the societal code.
So yeah, this is the pirates are making their own version of that
because they don't, they don't have a land that they're tied
to, but they they're on the sea. They have this hub.
We're going to behave this way when we're here.
This is our code. I'm glad you know all this.
I learned so much when I talk to you.
I just. Learned things as I go along.
All right, so it's ruled by the the informal pirate code, but in
the show, it's run by Spanish Jackie and her husband's.
And I will say casting Leslie Jones as Spanish Jackie is who's
not Spanish, which I love, is my favorite conversation.
Like why do you call me? Are you Spanish?
No. Why do they call you that?
I don't know. She's Spanish Jackie.
She's so good in this role. It's so funny.
I also love that she's framed as this big feared boss bitch and
she simultaneously has 20 now 19 later 18 husbands.
And look, no one bats an eye at that.
They're like, Yep, Jackie and her.
Her. Husbands.
Oh wow. I was like just fine.
I just nobody cares. Cause again like it's lawless,
like nobody cares. I'm like that what Jackie wants
to do, that's what Jackie gets to do that it's so funny.
Oh, but she has a harem of men, which is fantastic.
Other thing I love about Spanish Jackie, that 'cause you think
about the writers would write most of these things in somebody
decided to write in the nose jar as a thing that Jackie did.
It's an intimidation tactic. You fuck around and find out and
Jackie takes your nose, right? And I love that not only it
exists, but it's a it's a plot point also.
And it's not fake. I thought maybe it was just like
to scare people. No, we see it happen later.
We. We see it and it's a plot point.
So, like, who does to the writers that were just like,
this is funny, but also, let's make it important.
I love that. OK, so that's the Republican
pirate. So when Steed and his crew
decided, So I think they end up going there.
I don't know why they end up going there, but anyway, they're
there. Oh 'cause they have.
They do get oranges because the sweet.
No, that's Saint Augustine. Oh, damn, They're there because
they have British hostages. Oh, yeah, They at this point men
for sale. Yeah.
And so they're trying to sell them.
Steve takes them to the Republic of Pirates.
He's like, maybe he's a pirates a lot, though.
OK. And before the when Steve's
proposing this on the ship, well, I was like, trying to,
like, convince him not to do it. And he's like, no, you don't
want to go there. Steve, it's so touristy now,
like to try to dissuade him. He's like, it's not authentic.
You're trying to be an authentic pirate, right?
So they go anyway. And then when Steve gets there
with the hostage, he starts acting like a tourist.
Like they find this like skeleton that's got a sign on it
says behave yourselves. And like, he's in front of it
and he's like, Lucia sketch us like, like, of course, like,
take our photo. That's what he's saying.
So I love that Wow. Can like read Steve.
And he's like, no, don't go there.
It's touristy. And that's like literally what
Steve does. Steve does.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's.
I love Steve. Steve, he's such a child
sometimes. But the reason he really wanted
to go here not just to like sell the hostages, but also like this
is where Steed is kind of using his this as like basically his
his introduction to pirate society, launching his career as
the gentleman pirate as as as if you will by going to Spanish
Jackie's with a like a British officer, like it's a big deal
that he has this guy and so he's like quote coming out to the
pirate community basically is what he's doing.
And as you can imagine, it doesn't go well because the nose
jar gets destroyed and then we start this feud with Spanish
Jackie. Like, immediately.
Yeah, Spanish Jackie is not too happy with the the crew, this
entire suit. You know what they Let's be
real. They they will always have beef.
Oh. Always.
This was a disaster.
But what I find very interesting about this whole thing, when
Steed goes in there and breaks the nose jar, the Spanish Jackie
wants to kill him because the no jar is really important, the
Spanish Jackie. And so the thing that stops her
because she's basically got like Steed at like knife point and
the thing that stops him, stops her is Blackbeard AKA Ed.
So he ends up saving Steed before they even meet because
while this is happening, I think somebody let's it drop that.
Like, this is the guy Blackbeard's interested in.
Like, because Izzy has been going around trying to find
because Blackbeard was like, Gentlemen pirate.
This is intriguing. Go find him.
And so Izzy was in here looking for him and they're like, oh,
this is the guy, This is the guy that Blackbeard is looking for.
And that's what stops Jackie. So my read on this is because
Blackbeard, AKA Ed, claimed Steed as like a person of
interest. Basically, the other pirates are
like, we better not touch this guy 'cause Blackbeard wants him.
And so it's like, out of respect for Blackbeard, but really like
Ed ends up saving Steed before they even meet, which is very
cute and I love it. Well, yeah, 'cause they don't
want to be on Ed shit list either.
No, absolutely. Cause of the Legend of
Blackbeard, right? They're like he'll make his own
nose jar. We don't want to be involved
with that. So Indy at this point is like
trailing Steed because Ed's interested in him basically, and
he goes back, 'cause like Izzy went there to be like Blackbeard
wants to talk to you and Indy wants nothing to do with this
fuckery. So he's just like whatever Steed
and he goes back to Blackbeard and he's like and falsely
basically reports that Steed outright rejected Blackbeard,
'cause when they meet Steed's like she could suck eggs in hell
much but a lime. That feel very felt, very
improv. But I don't know it was.
Great, you can. Usually we'll get there later.
But like you can tell when Tyga and Reese improv together.
Oh, for sure. Together.
Because it's like when their when their stories become
mumbled, it's like that's definitely fully improv, yeah.
But I mean, Tyga wasn't in the scene, it was just Izzy and kind
of scene. And but instead of like so Izzy
was like, oh if he says that Blackbeard's going to go into a
rage and want to kill this guy. But it is the opposite.
It only like intrigues him more 'cause he's like who says that
to Blackbeard? Like I need to meet this guy
this guy's like doesn't act like all the other pirates cause like
see Spanish Jackie's behavior at the minute Blackbeard comes out.
Jackie's like whatever he wants, whatever.
Like he's the pirate king. But Steen's out here not knowing
the rules and the etiquette, and he's just like, fuck that guy,
like this and that. And so Blackbeard's like, this
is exciting and interesting. So I do.
I love that because Steve doesn't know the pirate code
enough to pay like to follow it. So he's like breaking all these
rules. He has no idea he's breaking and
and it's. Like Steve's playing hard to
get. Yeah, exactly.
And Blackbeard's like Falling Hook Line and Zicker for that.
I love it. And so up to kind of this point
in the show, we haven't really like met Blackbeard.
We've seen like silhouettes and like the back of his head and
things like that. It's like implied that it's
Blackbeard but. Blackbeard was too busy
directing episode one. Yeah, but it's the it's again
because we're supposed to think of him as the legend.
We don't see him. So we're just like, oh, we feel
his presence and like the way he talks to people and just we're
supposed to view him as the legend.
And then finally in this episode we see, actually see
Blackbeard's face. And one of those that they found
really interesting when I first started watching the show is
that when we meet Blackbeard, his beard isn't black anymore.
So which is like, funny. But at the same time, to me, I
was like, oh, this is a visual indicator that, like, Ed no
longer feels connected to Blackbeard.
Because Blackbeard's a persona, right?
It's a he's a blackbeard's a legend.
Like, Blackbeard's not really a person.
Ed is the person underneath that, like, visage, basically.
And so to me, this shows that I think it's important that when
we meet him, he actually doesn't have a Blackbeard.
To me, I think that shows that he's on the cusp of like a
metamorphosis, like Blackbeard is like the Caterpillar and then
like the butterfly is like Ed. So we're in the middle of a
transformation with this character.
So I thought that was a really good detail that they they did
in the show that they didn't have to do.
Did dyeing hair exist back then? Do you know?
I mean, it did, but usually for, like, wealthy women who can pay
to keep the dyes intact and buy the expensive ingredients and
like a life on sea, I don't think the dyes of the day we're
gonna, like, stay in your hair. That's fair.
I was just wondering if it was like even a possibility to like
if he even wanted to keep the persona intact with Blackbeard.
I'm sure there was a there was a way that would have been really
expensive, and he probably could have done it if he wanted to.
He's Blackbeard, you know. You know all he had to do is
intimidate someone to help him. Exactly.
And I just want to close out this episode with somebody I
love whose Buttons like just everything about Buttons.
I just love this character because I feel like Buttons is
the most like authentic person that we meet in the show.
Like from start to finish, like Buttons is just Buttons.
Like, there's no mystery there. It's like.
You, you. There's no growth, There's no
decline. There's just buttons.
Buttons is just buttons. Well, no, there is growth
because we we will talk about it in season 2, but.
Yeah, though there's definitely like a character arc and stuff
like that. But like, there's no like mask.
There's no, like mystery. Like Buttons is just very much
himself, like the whole time. And one of my favorite lines
from Buttons is when he's like, I forgot what it was.
I I forgot it was Steed or Ed. But basically they had the crew
together and they're like, be honest about like your feelings
or whatever. And Buttons is like, I yearn to
Make Love to the sea and and there's like that's too much,
but that's too honest. One of my favorite buttons line
is. Those dots look Spanish.
Oh my God. One who sees the ship.
What? Makes a dot look Spanish.
I think that's supposed to imply that like he has like bird
vision or like echo site beyond humans and so he can see that
the ships look Spanish. Wasn't he wrong though?
No, he was right. And the thing and 'cause if you
remember in the scene basically like one of the captains was
looking through the telescope and buttons wasn't and he's just
looking and he's like that looks, those look Spanish, those
there's oh, I see some dots and I'm like, they look Spanish.
They were Spanish ships. So.
And I love his button knows all. Button knows all.
And he also has some telepathy link to the seagulls,
particularly Carl and Carl's wife Olivia.
Olivia. He shows up later.
Oh my God, I love RIP Carl. I love Carl.
That was. That whole seat, Oh my gosh,
Buttons was destroyed. Valid.
Very valid. But like, I know we're getting
ahead of ourselves, but just like that being the, that was
the breaking point for Steve in that episode.
And it was it was awesome because Steve's like, this is my
crew. You do not mess.
With him? No, no.
Yeah, well, I have many things to say about that scene, but
just like, I love buttons. The the bird guy.
Obviously we have so much to talk about this entire show.
That's why it's so good. But.
That was the first three episodes of season one of our
Flag Means Death. Like I We obviously missed
things. If you had favorite moments,
things you noticed, likes, dislikes, please leave it.
Leave it in the comments. Find us on social media.
Like, there's so much to say about the show.
It's incredible. And so we're doing our best to
cover our main highlights and things we noticed.
But like, please share your thoughts.
I love learning new things. What was improv?
What wasn't? Like, tell us all the things we
would love to hear from you. Yes, but we will continue our
discussion. We'll pick it up with Episode I
Think 4. I have a lot to say about.
For I lose so much to say. Caitlyn was super good episode
for it so. Just like it's visually
stunning. I'm just saying.
Just in general, we'll leave it here.
That cinematography in this show is so, so, so, so, so, so, so,
so good. And one thing I really love,
which I think this is a set design thing, is the way they
really commit to the fact that like they are on ships.
So anytime you see chandeliers, they're always swinging and
stuff. Oh, I never.
Noticed. That little things like that,
like, yeah, they very much commit to the very detail
oriented. Super detail oriented, yeah.
And I very much appreciate that. It just, it really sucks you
into the show and just makes it feel very like real.
And like, there's not a lot of, like when I watch some shows,
it's like you have to suspend disbelief.
This show, like, I don't. I ever get that feeling from it.
Like, yeah, there's like, it's like it's a historical AU.
It's loosely based on stuff. There's that.
But, like, the show feels very like.
Like the world feels complete, if that makes sense.
And so, like, I'm never like, suspending disbelief in the
show. It's very, very well done.
Cool. All right, so next time we will
get into Episode 4 and so much, much more, and Zoe's gonna join
us. So be excited for that.
And until next time, hydrate for lesbian Jesus and.
Gate up all over the ship. Bye.
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