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All right, so let's start with episode 4.
Vero is officially the straight Whisperer.
Love it. They are hosting their test.
'Cause they're yeah, they're testing out their whispering
skills with a bunch of queers, which, yes, go on now.
It it's it's kind of like not not fully like, but like someone
in another TV shows like I'm starting a straight straight
alliance, but the straights are already aligned like the queers
are already queer, so it doesn't not fully good test audience.
But anyway, there's heads doing this test at Asher's boss's
house. Do you know the one where, like,
Asher was supposed to take care of the cat Pickles?
But also because that is definitely going to go well at
Asher's boss's house. Just saying so Asher tells Vero
not to invite too many people, but like when you're queer, how
much is too much, you know? But of course, it turns into a a
party anyway. That one thing I really liked
about or thought it was funny. Was at one point.
During the start of the party, one of the guests pulls out a
little jar, like a little thing, and Asher is immediately like,
no glitter like that does not go away, like you can't get that
out of anything. The party guest just is like,
it's cocaine, like normal. It's a normal thing.
And Asher is not wrong, though Glitter does not come out of
stuff, and the boss is definitely going to know there's
a party. I think the glitter does end up
in the bathroom, and he does call them out later.
He's like, why was there glitter in my bathroom?
So this was inevitable? The glitter, yeah.
It doesn't matter if you pull actual glitter out.
If there's glitter anywhere near you, it is staying till
eternity. It is like the herpes of crap
supplies. My God, I thought.
I did not invent that joke. I don't.
Know I'm pretty sure I've. Heard it before but.
It's just. Hilarious.
Anyway, eventually Asher gives up and just gives in to the
partying us and invites Kevin to the party.
But more on that one later. Let's keep it light first.
So Gretchen made it home with TI, so she's hanging out with
them and she picked TI up at the lesbian bar in the last episode.
She tries to kiss them and then almost sneezes.
She is still a baby gay and needs to take things slow.
However, my brain's like she's more like a micro preemie gay in
the NICU, yeah? Yeah, she needs life support.
There, there's a lot. So she goes to the bathroom and
tries to tell herself that it is OK to be gay, but then she's
like, is it OK? And now The thing is, we found
out in an earlier episode, she was sent to baby gay conversion
camp. So she it's drilled into her
that this is not OK. So she's basically having to
unlearn this thing that she was taught from a very early age
within days because we not much time has passed since Vero has
come into Gretchen's life and this whole Gaino experience.
So her God ex visits her as well as a very high Kevin who is a
higher power and they basically represent good and evil or you
know. Gay and gayer?
Is what I was thinking. Yeah, I I mean, it's 'cause I
wouldn't say good and evil. It's just like more of.
Gay and gayer? Two different spectrums.
It's just two different points of view.
Let's go with that. So Gretchen decides to take Hi
Kevin's advice and goes for it. OK, so back at the party, Asher
asked Vero for advice about the new account for Babetown at his
company. So like Asher, you can tell he
wants this account like this is him.
Like this is like I can combine two huge things in my life, my
work and then who I am and I can bring this point of view that no
one else in this company could. Like we do not get confirmation
about what they actually do. Just like at the series, anyway.
So Vero thinks that he came out at work, but Asher tells them
that he didn't, and he thought he might just tell them that
he's gay instead of trans, but he's not.
But also maybe baby bye. We don't know.
Asher's still figuring himself out as well.
It is a journey. No matter how many times you
come out, things change. You change, People change.
And that's OK. Yeah.
You can be 30 and change is fine, yes.
You can pick a label. Even if, yeah, you can pick a
label, that label can change Anyway.
I don't. I was going somewhere else with
it, but I couldn't remember if you couldn't tell.
Anyway, Asher then tells Vero that he does have a crush on
Kevin and asks if this means if he's bi.
Maybe only time will tell Asher. So Vero is trying to give Asher
the confidence to come out as as trans at work.
But Asher does doesn't want to be the only trans guy at work,
especially 'cause he's already the only brown guy.
And I think that this is very fair.
You you don't want to be like the only person like, 'cause
then all the attention's on you. They know like, oh, you're
different air quotes. Well, it's like having one
minority is one thing, but once you start adding minorities on
top of it, you become like pigeonholed into this, like very
specific group. Or.
In this case, single single person.
Yeah, And then also, people have finally started treating him
like a regular dude. And like that's all he wants.
He wants to be accepted as a man and he has that at work and he
doesn't want that to change. And he's he's worried that now
if he tells people he's trans, they'll be like, oh, so you're a
woman. And I mean, that has to be like
the worst thing ever for trans people.
And I just, I hate that that is an experience that they go
through. But I was curious, how do you
feel about Vero pressuring Asher to come out at his office?
Because that is what Vero is doing.
Yes and no. So my answer for this is I feel
like if this was a real life situation and not these
characters, I would say Asher should make his own choice and
Vera should not be pressuring him.
So I do agree with that. But for the show, I think that
and possibly some friendship. Like if you really know
somebody, you can kind of know like who they are as a person
and kind of know what I don't know.
I think Vero kind of knows the limits of how much they that
they can push Asher to kind of make this decision.
And it seems like he's at the point where he wants to make a
choice and makes a decision. And Vero is just kind of like,
well, you should do it. Just do the thing like you can
do this, like where everyone's here to support you, like what's
the worst thing that can happen like.
And Asher's kind of like, yeah, you're you're right.
Like you're kind of like I see where you're coming from.
This is kind of like I do want this.
I want this enough that I'm going to risk the this the
potential negative consequences that that might happen or could
happen. And I think that Asher is more
on the conservative side and very, very much wants to think
through all of his decisions that he makes, any any kind of
decision that he makes. Whereas Vero is very much like
whatever happens, kind of happens and we'll just kind of
go with the flow and figure this out.
So I think they kind of balance each other out in a friendship
and Vero kind of pushes Asher to kind of make the choices and the
decisions that Asher wants to actually make.
And then on the other hand, I think Asher kind of talks some
sense into Vero and like kind of brings him brings, brings Vero
down from making just outlandish decisions.
So. Yeah, I I agree that in that
it's not OK to pressure somebody to come out.
So where veru is coming from and Veru's rationale for doing this
is basically like visibility. Visibility is important, which
is true. Visibility is important because
visibility leads to normalization.
However, if the person you're trying to get to be visible is
telling you I don't want this, I'm not ready for this, that is
not OK and is within Asher's rights to be like I'm finally
comfortable at work. I don't want to be uncomfortable
again is basically what he's saying.
And that's totally valid, like and to guilt trip Asher and be
like, but by being in the closet you're not representing trans
people at work or out in the world.
Like, that's not OK to really do that, truly.
And like, I understand they have a friendship dynamic and stuff
like that. But I think that pressuring
Asher to come out is not OK Like saying to Asher when you're
ready like this would be great. That's a different way to frame
it. And like put it on Asher's terms
when Asher feels comfortable. But to like guilt trip Asher
into doing it I think is fucked up.
I understand, right? Reasons has a point about
visibility, but it's that's a lot to put on one person, you
know, who may not be ready for it.
I. Also have the the same opinion I
I thought this was very odd. I mean I guess it does happen
but Vero pressuring Asher it it it's not helping Asher.
I feel like I think if Vero really wanted to help Asher come
out at work, they should have more.
Worked. Through it with them, like, OK,
well, what's your worst fear? How can we handle that fear if
that comes true? Trying to get away to for Asher
to feel comfortable for feeling like he's.
Needs. To come out, 'cause that's
basically what Vero is kind of telling him.
And it's not great when someone's telling you, oh, this
is what you need to do, this is what you should be doing.
But. If you're not ready to actually
tell people, 'cause you don't know how someone's gonna react.
And at the end of the day, it's not Bureau who's gonna be
impacted, it's Asher. So Asher needs to be the one
who's ready to tell everybody especially.
At work, 'cause if it goes poorly from your boss and then
you get fired mysteriously, like, you know, like, I don't
know, like I understand why Asher's like, afraid, like
hesitant about it, to be honest. It's OK if Asher doesn't want to
come out like he doesn't have to, and if he wants to tell
people that he's just bi, like, that's fine, 'cause that that is
a way for him, like he feels safer doing that to.
And then that also gives him the credibility to get the account.
That's fine. But he shouldn't feel like he
needs to come out as chance because all.
Of this. Is personal.
All you they need to know is that he's Asher.
Yep. Anyway, during this whole thing,
Vero has everybody chanting come out and Kevin shows up to the
party and is looking for Gretchen because she hasn't
responded to him since. She is too busy with TI, but he
doesn't know that she's getting it on.
So when the people are still chanting come out at Asher,
Kevin assumes that it's a coming out party for him, which I mean,
I guess is fair, like you enter a party and everyone's just
shouting come out, come out. What?
That's. A really weird way to enter a
party, but so Kevin tells Asher that in the theater world.
Everyone. Assumes you're gay.
So the only people who have to come out are the straight ones.
And I think that's just so funny.
And as I was thinking that I was like that's.
That's kind of true. Though.
Because, like, especially for men in theater, everyone assumes
they're gay. To the point where like, I feel
bad for the straight ones, but I mean like it's the other way
around too. But because it's just like
they're OK. So it's to the point where
people become more, I don't know what it the right word.
They're like more. Defensive.
About that because people are assuming anyway, it's that one.
That one's not as important, so let's just.
Continue. So Asher does get a bit of
courage from this whole come out thing and responds and the trans
ones and then Kevin's response is well I don't know any of
those ones. So because like of course it's
it's Kevin doesn't really think before he speaks in general.
I feel like. And then he realizes what Asher
is trying to tell him, and he completely messes up his
reaction. Like, reactions matter.
Even if you're caught off guard, just take a minute to figure out
how to respond. But Kevin doesn't, and he starts
saying all the wrong things. He is being transphobic and
biphobic at the same time, just like, let's work in all of the
things. And like, this was Asher's step
into coming out. He's like, well, if I can do
this to the person who I've been connecting with, maybe coming
out at work wouldn't be a bit bad thing.
And then it just goes terribly. So, like, the scene hurts so
much in general, Like, no matter how you identify it is
terrifying not knowing how someone is going to react to you
telling them that. And I just wish that wasn't our
world. And to your point and to your
question earlier, like, is OK, that Bureau's like pressuring
Asher to come out. It's like this is the validation
of, like, yeah, I'm glad I didn't come out at work.
What if this was the response I got?
Two strangers who don't really know me at all.
Like, you know, work self and work yourself outside of work
are usually different people. So this is valid.
This is just reaffirming Asher like, yeah, I did the right
thing. But not coming out at work,
'cause like this is a bad, you know, a bad reaction from
somebody they're close to. Like you said.
And I will say this conversation, while it's hard to
watch, it is a really important one to have because it just goes
again, it goes to show that, like intolerance and ignorance
does exist in queer spaces, like in within the queer community.
And just because you're a member of the alphabet mafia, it
doesn't mean you're an expert in every facet of queerness, which
I think is a really important point that this show shows in
multiple ways. And but to like in defense of
Kevin a little bit, like, I will say that like having a sexual
attraction slash preference is totally valid because he goes on
this journey later. He's like, well, I don't know if
I'm attracted to that idea and it's like that's fine.
I think like that's your again, it's a sexuality is a personal
thing Like if you have boundaries for like what you are
attracted to or who you want to have sex with or whatever,
that's perfectly fine. Like it's your body, your life
kind of thing, you know? But the way he executed this
entire conversation was was in poor form.
Like you were saying, Caitlyn, 'cause it.
To me, it almost sounds like it's coming from a place of,
like, internalized transphobia, like.
Or in just genuine panic. Which from the way he's depicted
on screen, he seems like they wrote him as like kind of a
caricature of like the gay man, basically like the twig gay man,
'cause he's like, I've slept with every man in like New York,
basically. And like establishing he doesn't
have a relationship. He has hookups, which is like a
stereotype of gay men. And then he's like, I only know
other gay men. I don't hang out with lesbians.
I don't know anyone who's so like he's like put himself in a
box, basically. And his his experience with the
queer community seems very myopic, like very small.
And so this is a queer person getting into the, you know, the
big expanse of queerness. And he's learning how to
navigate that for the first time, and he just seems, like,
afraid, like he doesn't know how to navigate this at all.
It just fumbles fucking everything basically.
So. In a way, this is another
character we're having who's also going through an identity
crisis, 'cause he's like, oh crap, I'm attacked.
I I 'cause I think he's also coming to the fact that, oh, I
thought I was like, gay. And then I'm attracted to like
trans person, like, who may not be like, you know, is having
this thing like, oh, God, like what?
What does that say about me? Like, I now I don't know who I
am. And he's like throwing that back
at Asher versus like dealing with it and processing it
because that's how CIS men traditionally deal with their
feelings. They put it on other people
instead of processing it. So it's interesting the way the
show kind of plays this thing out.
The other person who's not having an identity crisis is
Vero. Everybody else is having an
identity crisis in adulthood in their own way, which is really
fascinating. And it's all tethered to
queerness, which was a clever thing to put in a show,
honestly. And they all process their
journeys very differently, which is fascinating, that.
Is very interesting that Vero is, but you know Vero is.
Going through an identity crisis, but in like a job.
Yeah, the job. That's a crisis.
I think that like that was part of Vero's personality of the
whole time where they're where they're like doing this and then
somebody's like you should do this thing you oh, you do
professionally. I feel like that was a Vera was
already kind of and there was like, huh.
And then like it's less of a crisis more like Vera's like, oh
let me take this thing I'm good at and go do it professionally
versus everybody else was like who the fuck am I?
And they're having an actual crisis.
Vera's going in a different job direction, that's why.
Vero is more liberal headed this entire.
Time they're not freaking out about.
They know who they are, like they're the only one who
securely knows who they are and is OK with it.
Everybody else is learning new things about themselves and is
freaking the fuck out and like going on a journey.
Speaking of figuring themselves out, though, we are now into
episode 5, and we begin the episode with Gretchen figuring
herself out. And.
She's riding a bike while saying I'll never suck a Dick again and
it just is perfect. And I really feel like this is
something that would happen in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Yes.
'Cause. I finally watched that after
Theor kept bringing it up and now I can't Unsee it.
And like, I'm just thinking about it.
And, you know, Tyson would be just like, next to riding the
pipe. Be like Oh my God.
Tyson would lemonade this song. Favorite.
Line from that show is when. I heard it.
Is give it to me straight he'll give it to you straight he'll.
My favorite line? It's a really good show which
goes with this anyway. So Gretchen is.
Super. Happy about getting laid while
Kevin is sulking in the bathtub. Which is so weird.
That he, like, fell his bathtub holy clothed in the bathtub.
And he wasn't drunk like this was just weird.
I. Don't.
I mean, I don't get Kevin just in general, but like.
True. Well, they had to do.
He had to do the thing with the the shower curtain where he
like, drapes it across his body and like does the weird things
with the shower curtain. He.
Fidgets with it basically. Yeah, but it's super.
It's. Funny.
But he has to pull it together, though, because they're going to
their friend from college, Katie's gender identity brunch
thing. That is how it is described.
So Kevin is basically still being a huge Dick about
everything, and when Gretchen tells him that she invited Vero
and his boyfriend to the party as well, Kevin responds with not
a boyfriend. If it's not a boy.
Like, come on dude. But seriously though, how can
you be? I don't understand this in
general. How can you be in the queer
community and not be inclusive about everybody?
I've had so many conversations. Or just like interactor
interactions with my mom's friends who are in the community
who are so transphobic it's ridiculous.
I'm like, just because you figured out who you are, or
like, even like the labels and pronouns, just because you find
out who you are doesn't mean that someone else doesn't
deserve to figure out who they are.
And just like we didn't stop with being straight, there are
other things to learn about and figure out.
So just because you found yours does not mean it goes, doesn't
go further. And I just don't understand.
And it makes me so angry, yeah. I what you said is absolutely
valid in the context of this show, though, I think what Kevin
is doing, it's more about him than it is about Asher.
I think he's just projecting his identity crisis onto Asher and
it's coming out as anger. Like, personally, I think that's
what actually the root of all this is.
But you are right. There are some people who are
just so set in their ways, even as members of the because he
goes on a journey of learning. It's like he right now he's just
hurt and confused and it's just like throwing out anger is
basically what's happening. But you're right.
Some people are just like, no, I don't know.
People are ridiculous. Get the fuck over yourself.
We're on a rock floating through space.
Your life is like a speck of dust in the great vastness of
the universe. Like, get over yourself.
You're not that important. Like just.
Live. Your life.
This is all you have. Just be happy.
Shut up. Well, said Theora.
Go party with everybody, guys. But then Kevin then outs Asher
to Gretchen and he's like, did you know that Asher was trans?
And she's like, no, but does it even matter?
Because it doesn't matter. And so Gretchen asked him if it
makes a difference. He says what's not cool is they
them's men with vaginas and it's.
I mean, I know it's something about him, but.
Oh shit. It's just narrow mindedness, and
Gretchen's response is perfect and just shows how much she has
grown from hanging around with 0 in just this short amount of
time. And she says, probably more
complicated for the person who actually transitioned.
And yes, girl, you are learning and so quickly.
But Kevin's like it'll make me less gay if he dates a trans man
and it's just so annoying. I need to stop.
OK, so the friend group then heads to the gender.
Oh my God. So.
The friend group then heads to the gender identity brunch
thing. And I love that it's just a room
filled up with white women with basic names that mostly start
with S and then Asher and Vero have a sidebar and Asher's like,
how do I tell all these people apart?
And I just love this moment because it's such a like reverse
of what usually happens where it's white people being like, I
can't tell these people apart that aren't white.
And it's just like, yeah, we all look the fucking same.
So like, let's get over ourselves.
I love this comment. I.
Do love that. And I want to point out that
it's not just S it's SH names Sharon Shelly.
I forget the rest it. Doesn't matter.
All right. But when we're getting into the
party, like, we didn't even make it there yet.
Kevin is being super weird around Asher because of course
he is. He can't just act normal.
So when they get to the party, they realize Gretchen has made a
huge mistake. It's not a gender identity party
is the gender reveal party, not to be confused with the revenge
party. And that is hateful 'cause that
song finally stopped playing in my head, and now it's a revenge.
Party. I mean, yeah, it's it that's
that is also gay in itself. I'm just saying.
Anyway, they try to leave, but Katie tells them this day.
So now they are stuck at a gender reveal party for someone
they don't know It's. New, like all the, like, gay
regalia that's on them. It's just like pins and the
shirt and like, it's just they are decked out for this like
gender identity party, yeah. Vera, they they come in saying
we're here, We're queer anyway. So, Vera.
Oh, never mind. We already we already said all
this. OK, never mind.
I. OK, so my question is how does
Katie fit in with this group if everyone else is?
Wasn't it? So Kevin and Gretchen went to
college. No, no, no.
I met with the the white women, the with all the SH names and
then you get Katie. Yeah.
And I just find that funny anyway.
So once Vero says their pronouns are they them.
Katie every Katie tells everyone that she is a they which I'm
assuming that that's luckily I I haven't come across.
I don't actually don't have to deal with they them pronouns.
So like I don't have people misgendering me, but like is
this is just a common thing that people just cannot understand.
They them pronouns like. Well.
I mean that that way. It said not so much.
What does tend to happen that I've experienced anyway is they
ask your pronouns and then immediately use she or he
pronoun. Like like if it's if it's they
and they immediately will use like she pronouns immediately
after that. And I'm like, did we just, did
we not just have this conversation like what are you
like, OK, but then it's like at that point it's like it's.
I don't know if it's worth it to continue be like no, because my
thing is like. Pick.
One, stick with it. If you change it halfway through
the conversation, do the thing. But like, don't be like, Oh no,
no, no, I'm so sorry, so sorry. Just ignore and move on.
Like, it's just not worth to me, me personally, it's not worth
the like, apologies. And like that makes it more
awkward. Like I have people that I I work
with. This is off top.
So I've been off topic, but I have people I work with at the
dog training school that she uses all three pronouns in a
conversation. Sometimes I'm like, who are you
talking about? But it's it's me because it's
just like one sentence has one pronoun, the next sentence has
the next pronoun, and like, just goes through all of them.
And I'm like, that's a whirlwind.
But I'm not gonna correct you because you're using different
pronouns for one. So I'm it's But it's very
interesting 'cause I get confused sometimes when that
happens. But I'm just like, what is?
Where are you? Who's Who are you talking to?
That. Sounds so annoying.
I. Do I think the biggest thing,
though is people are, you know, it's the grammar that confuses a
lot of people. I think that's the big thing.
It's just like a plural. What you're told is a plural
pronoun. And people have a hard time with
that, which I do understand that because when you go to when
you're first learning English, at least in America, they're
like, here are the singular ones.
Here's the plural. So like, I do understand that
that is hard if you if you're if you put that word in that box,
this means multiple. It is hard to unlearn that when
you've been using that type of language for so, so long or or
or have at least categorized it as like, that means multiple
people to like if like people were like use you as the pronoun
for me, like people would find that really confusing 'cause
they're like you. I just, that's not how I've been
using that speech consciously And so I can see that being a
sticking point and hard to unlearn.
You know what I mean? Versus just like straight up
misgendering people and being like, no, I'm gonna call you
this even though you said like slipping up in language and
being like, sorry, like just my brain is hardwired this one way.
It's it's hard to unlearn those things, you know?
Yeah, I've definitely misgendered by accident, someone
that I went to dance with and I felt terrible.
And now I feel terrible because I made a big deal out of it and
I was like, damn it that. I.
I messed up twice. But.
It still haunts me to this day. Can you tell?
It's it's one of those things though.
Like when the person is coming at it it at in the right like
very. They want to do the right thing
and it just comes out wrong. That's one thing.
Like, I don't. For me personally, if it's
messed up just move on the don't and you can talk to me after the
fact. You can be like, oh look, I'm so
sorry, but like not in the conversation with a bunch of
other people. Like that's where I get like
don't make it about you kind of thing in this in this specific
moment. You can come to me after or like
step aside and like be like, oh hey, I'm so sorry about that.
I'll I'll try and be better or whatever it is, but in the
moment it's super for me. I don't like attention, so for
me it makes me very uncomfortable.
Other people might be a little bit different where they might
be like, oh. No make.
The change right then and there, I don't like that.
It just adds a lot more questions that make me
uncomfortable. That's fair for me personally.
Yeah, but Vero does get excited when they realize that this
would be a great place to practice being the straight
whisperer. And boy is this the perfect
test. This is a better test than the
party they threw just like so they go help the women build the
baby bassinet. And I'm very confused by this in
general because I feel like this isn't a typical gender reveal
party activity. Like who builds whatever?
They're like we have all these women we need help building this
thing 'cause they're none of them are lesbians so they can't
build it, that's the issue. So they need the queers to help
and and Vero assumes that everyone is a lady and then says
that they shouldn't assume and asks if everyone goes by she her
pronouns. But like, I think it's safe to
assume in this group, but you never should assume.
That's the whole point. But again, Vero calls themselves
out for assuming so. One of the ladies Miss Gender's
Vero, because this is a like. Deliberately.
Yes, that's the difference. And when they point out that
they are wearing their pronouns on a pin, she pretends someone
needs her on the other side of the room and leaves no audible.
Like, oh I'll yeah, I'll come help you.
No, just like and then leaves. So very helpful.
So then comes the little scene of like.
Oh, how? Hard is it to it How it's it's
so hard to use they as a singular pronoun.
And Vero gets an idea and tosses their keys towards one of the
the white girls talking and just on cue says, oh the the girl
just on cue says, oh, someone dropped their keys and perfectly
timed Vero comes in is like, oh, did they now?
And all the white girls are like, oh, OK.
So I thought it was a very fun and like clever teaching moment
where they kind of Vero kind of used the situation to throw in
without being like overbearing about, like how you need to use
they them pronouns and stuff. And it's just like a more
natural throwing into a conversation.
Like you do this regularly, like this is what you do anyway.
So I I just I like that. Yeah, they weren't being
preachy. They were just like, see, you
can do this. You know.
And then, but it's like the thing that clicks with them and
you know that they're gonna remember that.
So it's also just a victory for Vero as a the straight Whisperer
teacher as well. Because, I mean, I love when
like I'm teaching someone and like you see the aha moment,
it's it's like the best feeling for you as well.
Agreed. OK, so unfortunately we don't
get to stay with the queer education.
We have to go to Kevin, who is mocking Asher flirting with one
of the women while hanging out with Gretchen in the kitchen.
So Gretchen calls out Kevin for being jealous, yes, but he says
he loves this vodka and they were made for each other.
And then Gretchen has the best comeback to that and says though
vodka was bored a potato and I just.
It's so stupid. And funny at the same time.
She's not wrong. I don't think that's a full
equivalent. But, you know, OK, Kevin then
just walks away and then ruins Asher's chance with the woman.
Because of course he does. Like, if you don't want to be
with him, let him move on. But meanwhile, Gretchen is
telling Sharon all about her great sex the night before.
Because Gretchen will tell this to anybody who is willing to
listen or not willing to listen. She will just scream it.
She's out and proud. She's here and queer and she's
happy about it. But.
To your point about Kevin, like the the problem is that Kevin.
Does want a date after that is the problem.
But Kevin is having trouble coming to terms with that
because that is not aligned with who Kevin sees himself as.
Like, this is all about Kevin and he's just throwing it out at
other people. Like he's throwing a a tantrum
in a way. So if the if.
The baby or Jenner reveal, they they they get into the reveal
part and they find out it's a boy and.
The. Queers are like, we don't
understand why we're doing this. And basically, I think Gretchen
says that the baby is going to have a penis.
That is all we know. And I thought this moment was
really, really important because it shows the struggle, like this
whole scene. It shows the struggle of
ditching tradition as progress is happening.
And it demonstrates how ingrained gender is.
They're assigning the gender before the baby is even born,
like before birth even happens. And there's which we understand
genders, social contracts, all that kind of stuff.
But like, the word gender has been tethered to biological sex,
that kind of stuff, for such a long period of time.
Like unraveling those two things is hard to do.
It just it takes time. People have to unlearn things,
right? But.
At the same time, the mother brings up a point that I think
is very real to a lot of people where she says I want to be a
good ally, I do, but I can't. I just be happy about my baby
boy and like there's a collective groan from the queers
cause, like Vera's trying to be the straight in this Vera
straight whispering situation. But like, I think this is a real
moment for a lot of people because.
People. Are like I want to be happy
about this. I'm having a boy like why can't
I just enjoy this? But I think it also like, which
is valid, but also like, it shows, like people refuse to
budge when it's something, when it finally effects them
personally, which is also a real thing that happens where it's
like, oh, I never like that's cool for you.
But like this is me and my life. Like, I want to keep this, you
know, but but the mom does ends up embracing it and dubbing her
offspring. And they be which?
Is really sweet but. Also like how do people navigate
that? Like I know the sex of the baby?
Are they not allowed to be happy about that?
Like I think, I think the mother's feelings are valid.
She, she, she can be happy about like her.
You know her baby's gonna be a biological male or whatever.
Like that's exciting. But like, again, like the term,
This is why, like language is tricky.
It's like the terminology where what we're saying is like, oh,
but you don't know the the gender until the baby is born
and tells you what they're what they feel comfortable with.
But it's like. How?
Do people navigate that? That's a genuine question
because. Yeah, I see both sides here, but
like, there's a big part of me that is just like, I do feel bad
because mostly like three of these people that Gretchen
brought with her, she doesn't know them and they're making her
feel bad about being excited that.
Right. Her Her baby has XY chromosomes
basically, right? Exactly so like they.
Don't understand the difference between sex and gender right
now. Which they will, but like it is
a party. And that it might.
Not be like the right place to. Have this conversation like,
just. I.
Don't know. I know, I know both.
Like, it's important not to assign the gender.
That's why a lot of people do have like sex reveal parties and
they're like consciously make it a a choice, like a thing to say
the sex of the baby instead of gender.
But I think it is. It's OK to be happy and excited
as well. And I I do, I I'm a little
upset. But like, I took that away from
the mother. I.
I agree. I think that's that is a
consequence of this, you know the other side of it.
But. Yeah, it's a reframing of
thinking like what you're saying.
I think gender reveal parties are weird, and I don't know why
people do it for babies. I think it's fucking weird, but
especially burning down California.
I think it's more weird when they have a baby shower as well.
Like if it's not one thing, then no, you're just trying to get
more stuff. Yeah, well, the baby shower is
the the traditional way when you weren't able to figure out the
sex of the baby early on. Now we have both things and
they're like, I'm keeping both parties.
I agree, it's weird. Stop it.
Like it should really be all in one, because really, why are we
having a whole party just around the?
I agree. The mystery of life or whatever.
Like. It's fine to have like it a.
Part of it maybe like OK. But like, the entire thing's
like. I don't get it.
It's. Just a baby shower though.
It it. I don't.
Get it?
I don't get it. I also don't.
Understand. Like the multiple parties for a
wedding. But that's a whole nother
conversation that brings us to the end of episode 5.
I do agree like baby is really cute.
I do. Well, hold on.
I'm sorry before we finish. The husband calls.
The husband doesn't get to be there for some reason, so it is.
Usually it's just. Usually, it's just the women.
Traditionally, if it was a baby shower, yeah, the baby shower.
Would just be women, which also weird that that's whatever the.
It seems like men don't really want to be there anyway, so good
for them. But she tells the husband
they're having a gender neutral baby and it's just.
You know the. Husband just doesn't know what's
going on. So he's like what?
You don't get his reaction or a conversation, but I just can't
imagine what the hell he's thinking.
Exactly. OK, but on to episode six.
We begin with another song from Gretchen on a bike, and she's
singing I can see Queerly now. I don't know if it's the same
words. That's all I focus on was the
queerly now. But she is no longer afraid of
being gay. But she does show up at T is
apartment and finds out they already have someone over and
her little lesbian heart is crushed.
But girl, just. I feel like you you didn't have
the the dating conversation like.
I. Feel like if you sleep with
someone right away, there is like an expectation that you're
just casual. But I don't know.
That's just me. I don't have any experience, so
that's my assumption. So after this whole thing, she
finds out that her long night of sex with TI is actually pretty
average, so she's not as special as she thought she was.
So she leaves with a bagel on her bike, but there's no singing
this time. Instead, she sobs while eating a
salt bagel. And that just sounds so gross,
but it's basically a. Pretzel I feel like.
Right. I I.
Mean. No, it's a bagel with salt on
it, but. Wait, are you actually talking
or were you just mouthing words? Oh, sorry, I thought it was big
pieces of like kosher salt, like the thick salt I.
Hate salt so it doesn't sound great.
She bought the bagel. She bought the bagel.
She. Bought the bagel I.
Think she's just like, give me a half a dozen bagels?
Also, why is she bringing that many bagels TI?
And. Moving in, she's trying to
U-Haul. That's the point.
Yeah, like stop EU Haul. Return that shit.
We're not dating. That's basically this scene.
It's a very stereotypical, like scene that happened, right?
Exactly. I thought the scene was so funny
and so well filmed and just there's it's just so good.
The show has done so well for such a like a short show.
Like it's it was edited really well.
It was like, produced really well.
Like everything was just so nice.
So nice it was. So then Kevin is trying to
expand his knowledge. Like he is actively trying to be
OK with dating Asher because he really does want to and we do
see this. So he's trying to explain his
knowledge with the book. So you want to date someone
trans and he's like, I don't know, to the book.
So he's having a full blown conversation with this book and
the book says this is how to date a trans man.
One. Meet a trans man, 2.
Ask him on a date three. That's it.
It's that simple. But I feel like Kevin's someone
you need to like, just have multiple explanations for, like
here's this whole roundabout way to just be like, it's OK.
So yeah, that that goes on for a little while.
He's on his journey with that book.
I do want to know what the rest of that book says, because it's
pretty thick. And if it's only, what if it's
just those three things over and over in each page?
Oh. Great use of money.
So then we head back to Asher and he is at work and trying to
work up the confidence to come out.
Asher tells his boss that he wants to apply for the Babe
talent account, and even though he doesn't have as much
experience as Chad, which is relevant because that means like
Chad would be most likely to be picked because he is more
experienced than him. He has experience with the
community though, and after his boss doesn't fully understand
what he's trying to say, Asher tells him that he is trans and
asks him not to tell anyone, which his boss doesn't
understand what what he means when he says trans.
So he has to say transgender. And I I do wonder what he
thought he meant by trans anyway.
So his boss says that he doesn't care what any of his friends do
with their junk until Asher you do you so like he's
uncomfortable. At the same time, I get the
feeling that he's just want to say something wrong, like he
he's fully OK with Asher, but he's just worried about not
thinking before he speaks Kevin. And yeah, it's like not because
he's uncomfortable with Asher being trans, 'cause I think the
conversation would have gone differently if he actually was.
I don't know if I mean. Wasn't he the same person who
was like, they're talking about people and he's like Leslie,
whoops don't go to HR like so. I don't know.
I I can't read him well. I mean, maybe he.
Oh. Fuck in this moment and then
like goes and processes it off screen.
It's hard to hard to say, 'cause we already had that slip off of
don't know HR from from this person.
So I don't know. I don't.
Know I just got the feeling that he knew he messed up then and is
and then like maybe he's closer with Asher in general.
So like from this like he worked on it.
I don't know I'm reading. I'm giving this guy a lot of
credit. He.
Does let Aver watch his cat. So like, yeah, there's validity
of that. OK, but.
Gretchen is still very upset, still full tears.
Looks like a wreck this this poor girl's going through it.
Her first little baby heartbreak.
Baby gay heartbreak. So Gretchen meets up with Vero,
who's putting up another straight Whisperer poster.
Vero, I know you've made a few videos, but, like, I feel like
Flyers aren't gonna do it. I think we need to do some,
like, more social media promotion, But you know what you
do Anyway. They are at a burlesque pop up,
which Gretchen doesn't know. I don't know if Gretchen was
supposed to be there or not, but she's there.
So Gretchen is crying as they shimmy because that is what they
were told to do. So Vero finally asked what
happened because Vero's like, why are you crying and Gretchen
is trying to explain what happened through tears and it's
basically like one or two words at a time.
But Vero, like, perfectly understands, like, oh, you're
you're having the classic lesbian heartbreak because you
thought you were more serious than you were.
I thought this was so funny and it's through like loud sobs, not
like trying to be quietly like crying.
It's like loud loud sobs. It reminds me of Alice from the
L Word when she in like the original L Word when she starts
sobbing during. I think it was yoga with Helena
and over Dana and it was just, like just loud, ridiculous
sobbing. I'm.
Sorry, did we not all loud, ridiculous sobbing when that
happened, 'cause that was bullshit.
That's what I remember. Not.
During, not during the the the devastating thing that happened.
With Dana, that was just their breakup.
Just their. Breakup.
Yeah, When she's like, on all the drugs.
Also devastating. Why were they broken up?
That's a great question. That is the time to ugly cry.
This is just ugly crying. Yes, but.
It's sort of reminds me of it. It was like a very like a like a
copy and paste. Scene.
I've only watched a show once, so I don't remember the scene,
but. I.
Can tell you the entire scene, but it'll take a couple minutes,
so we don't. Have to do that now, I feel.
Like, I need to go back and watch that one day, yeah?
It was the first thing I watched, but it is I.
When I came out though, and I feel like that was not something
I should have watched as the first thing as classic.
This is my first thing that I watched that was.
The first thing I watched, we did cover on the podcast One day
if we're running out of stuff. Oh yeah, running out of stuff.
Like. No, I have.
Stanler taught me about that show.
So thank you. It's really random, Caleb.
I'll tell you more later. Anyway, so then the class is
doing a call and response and then Gretchen just completely
disturbs the class. So I think the first one's like
I am loved and Gretchen goes I'm in love, I don't remember the
rest, but it just ends up like nobody understands me or
something like that. So if you ever just takes
Gretchen to a corner and tries to comfort her because she is
disturbing everybody and Vero tells her she is in the Kid in a
candy store phase and she can explore.
So it's a good thing that this didn't work out.
Also, Vero knew right away that this was never going to be a
relationship, but they forgot to tell Gretchen that and that
really would have helped Gretchen beforehand.
But Vero tells Gretchen to listen to her vagina.
And then basically Gretchen takes that.
And runs this. Makes Gretchen really excited
and she gets on stage to perform an elaborate musical number.
And I do appreciate the addition of musical theater in the
series. It's great, I.
I love so much the drastic change of reality and fantasy
like they did at the beginning of this of the series as well.
But like honestly, Gretchen is quite deranged at this.
Like she just she went from like full on sobbing to like a
delirious song and dance kind of thing that's going on.
So she's just screaming listen to your pussy listen to the
pussy as she runs off stage and the and then the audit it turns
back into reality and the audience earth.
Like everybody that was at this pop up.
It was just kind of like what on earth is happening.
Like this person just got up on stage, started randomly yelling
at everybody, sobbing like makeup.
I'm pretty sure was just like down her face and just so
distraught, but like singing at the top of her lungs and yelling
just. I wanna know if she sang that
well or if she was like a a dead cat.
In real life it. Was a mess.
That was a mess. There's no way that was a mess.
That's why everyone looks disturbed when you go back to
reality. That was not good.
Like Vico's like, what the hell? Just.
Or Vero? Sorry, what the hell just
happened? I wonder if Gretchen in real
life just was not able to pretend to be a bad singer.
So they just were like, all right, we'll just go full into
this fantasy sequel. Or they're like.
We don't have time for this. Let's.
Or maybe it's in the bloopers. Come on, almost, said Vero.
Vico, Gretchen. Someone give it to us.
OK. So after this, Gretchen is still
very high off of her performance that was fully amazing.
And Gretchen tells Vero that she now she knows that she needs to
go through a very slutty phase. Boy, is she ready.
So Vero tells Gretchen. So Gretchen asked, basically, so
what's going on with you and the straight whisperer?
Vero says that they think they have to go back to dog walking
because nothing is happening with a Straight whisperer and
they they got bills, they got to pay.
That's. Why I wrote it in caps to
remind. Myself.
But The thing is I don't understand why they can't do
both. That's what I don't understand
and have never understood why they had to quit being a dog
Walker. To pursue this, like do both.
Pretty sure but. OK, maybe.
Girls are those people who when they commit it's 100 or 0, like
there is no middle ground. So maybe that's their character
flaw that they have to like work on what everyone else is working
on, their character flaws, But OK, so anyway, so Vero's like, I
think I got to quit this dream of mine.
So Gretchen asks Vero, what do you want to do really?
And Vero says build community and get paid for it.
And truly, this is such a pure motive for doing anything.
And it is super fitting for somebody like Vero, who's just a
ray of sunshine, basically. And after Vero says this one of
the queers from the that. Was at the party.
Shows up and asks Vero when their next party is because
quote, there aren't enough safe queer spaces.
Which is an excellent point in general that the show is trying
to make 'cause they here, they here they are at this pop up
queer event and all the queers came to it and they're like, we
need more places like this truly.
And a safe space really is more about the people than the actual
location. Hence why they can just pop up
anywhere with this burlesque thing and everybody's like, yay,
let's be ourselves. So I love that.
That's what triggers the light bulb for Vera.
Vera seems like more of a people person anyway, and not tethered
to like physical, not physical things, but like material
things. So I like that.
That point is made in the context of Vero, specifically
the character. Yeah, and hearing this,
Gretchen's like it's obvious what you should do.
And tells Vero to forget about the straights and tells them
that they need to throw a bigger.
Queer party. I.
Took. Theora's point, sorry.
No, you forgot to add that. I added it for you.
Thank you. So Vero then starts flirting
with Gretchen. So I guess Gretchen's learned
enough now that they're interested.
I you know, I know. It's like, hey, enter your
slutty phase with me. Oh, wait, What?
What just happened? I thought that you were just
like, hey, don't be emotionally, like, attached.
Just fuck everybody. Yeah, I.
Don't totally understand I. Suddenly you're hot.
I don't get. But Gretchen's definitely into
it. But then someone else walks by
and she's like a dog and squirrel.
And. Gets distracted and then her
vagina speaks. Literally.
And that is the end of the very eventful episode 6.
We are now on to the very last episode and it's exciting and
sad at the same time because we definitely need more.
Agreed. So episode 7 opens up with
Gretchen definitely experimenting while Kevin is
still pining over Asher. So Kevin's like, still on this
book. He's still reading this book of
the same page over and over. We'll get there.
We'll get there, Kevin. So Kevin tells Gretchen that he
misses Asher and she's like, just just go get him.
Then like he's still there. But she says to ROM Comet up to
get him back because that is what Asher likes.
He loves ROM coms later in Yes, that is grand gestures.
That is a big thing. And that that I feel like that's
a common trope in media. Like one of the people like
grand gestures and the other one's like don't don't do
anything. And then, yeah, that whole
thing. Anyway, later in the week,
Gretchen is trying to get it on with another femme, and this is
hilarious. My God.
This is really funny. Again, stereotypes.
They play within the stereotypes a lot in the show.
Yeah. And.
She brings up Vero and she's like Vero didn't teach me about.
Femme and femme and apparently incompatible.
Apparently. Yes.
And then the girl that Gretchen is with is like, oh, you know,
Vero. I love Vero.
And then Gretchen starts going on and on about how amazing Vero
is, and the woman just looks at her and she's like, oh, you
sweet, sweet baby gay, you have it so bad for Vero.
And Gretchen's like, no, we're definitely friend zone.
So you were literally just flirting with each other
earlier? Anyway, head on over to Asher.
Asher. No, Chad gets the account for
Babe Town because he has more experience, of course, And after
getting this news, Asher sends an e-mail blast out to his
company telling them he's trans because he's like, OK, this is
bullshit. I know Chad has more experience,
but I have more experience in this aspect.
If This is why I did not get it, like if me not being trans is
the reason why I didn't get this account, screw it.
I'm going to tell everybody because this is who I am.
And now this way he doesn't have to hide a part of him.
I mean, not that he's, like, hiding it, but he doesn't have
to worry if something like this comes up like he asked to be
considered for any account that deals with the LGBTQ community,
which he should 'cause I think that's a pretty relevant view to
have when working with an account like this.
So this felt like another part of the L Word.
So there's a scene where Max comes out to like family and
friends. I think it is.
And it's an e-mail blast as well, basically to all of all
the people that he's trying to come out with.
And it's very. So this felt very much like,
'cause Asher was trying to, like, figure out the perfect way
of saying it and like all this stuff.
And there's like this whole scene of Jenny and Max, like
going over this and trying to come up with the the perfect
ending phrase. And then Jenny at one point is
like, this is how it should be. And then it's basically like
Max, formerly known as Moira. And then Max is like, perfect.
It's just I've seen that show too many times.
But yeah, so it just and minded me.
Yeah, I it holds too much space in my brain.
But anyway, it was just another. It just was almost like a scene
for felt like a scene for scene for that that thing.
It was very funny. Yeah, OK.
I don't remember the scene. I do remember the storyline a
little bit, but not that specific one, so thank you for
the comparison. Thank you losing the words and
Theora's got me. Thank you thee.
OK, so the next day, I'm hoping it's the next day.
I can't fully tell. I think it is though.
Asher shows up to work and there's a bunch of cards and
flowers on his desk and he is so supported by his Co workers
including Chad. I didn't even notice that it was
a card from Chad until you pointed it out in the reaction
video Theora. And it's just super cute to know
that everyone was welcoming and well, at least the people who
put cards and flowers on his desk and those to know that
there is even support in the company is very great.
And then it just cuts to Gretchen icing her crotch with
peas because of all the sex she's having.
And then it goes. What that?
Was amazing that. I love that.
And then it just cuts back right over to to to Chad and Asher.
Yeah, I because Gretchen is just too busy.
I just kind of summed that up because Gretchen and Ash, Kevin
in the first half of it was just basically the same thing for
half the episode. Sorry I'm so Chad comes to visit
comes to visit Asher at his cubicle and tells him that it
took a lot of balls to come out and that the account should have
gone to him in the 1st place. I'm sorry I have dog issues.
Sit. So Chad actually hands the
account over to Asher and says that he will talk to Ryan about
getting the next one. I hope his name is Ryan.
I don't fully remember his name, so.
I'm aware. So Chad then asks if he could
ask Asher a question and confides in him that he thinks
that his nephew might be trans. And Asher just gives him back
his phone and says it'll be OK And I I want to see more of
that. And I would love to see Asher
and Paul. So Chad's nephew's name is Paul,
and I would love to see Asher and Paul hang out in Season 2
and Asher basically become their mentor, like how Virile is with
Gretchen. And maybe that'll be a way for
like him and Chad to bond as well that.
'D. Be cute.
I. I don't know what Chad needs to
do, but he needs to do something about his hair because I don't
know. Next.
Season. That.
That's just my note for him. So wow, this is happening.
Sorry it's getting late for me. So Vero is preparing for an epic
queer party. They already have 300 yeses and
a date with maybe Maya. I.
Love How bad is the contact name in their phone?
Like. Question mark, I don't know, I
don't remember, but they have a date so.
I mean, iPhones now do that if they they can.
If. If somebody put their name in,
it just says maybe and then the name like, so you can save it as
that name. But it looks like that's kind of
what it looks like, yeah? No, I don't know.
No, they definitely saved it like that.
No, yeah, I know they say they saved it like that.
It just looks, never mind, just looks like the what the iPhone
thing does where it pops up like if they said hi this is blah
blah blah and it'll pop up as maybe blah blah blah yeah.
The iPhone does that automatic, like it'll yeah, it'll say that
as their name. It might be this person,
basically, if they've communicated with you like your
phone does that automatically. Yeah.
So that's just what it looked like.
I. Use an Android.
Yeah, it does not do that. Yeah, I know iPhones do that.
Yeah, it could be. That Vero, again, they're just
either establishing that Vero has an iPhone or they're
established link, which I didn't check, or they're establishing
that Vero's one of those people who meets a bunch of people,
doesn't really catch names and like doesn't form relationships
normally. They also could be establishing
that, hence that I'm not dating you if you're a baby gay
situation. So I'm not sure we need another
season. That's basically the end of
story for this. OK.
While while that like this then cuts to Gretchen in her room
trying on a strap on. I just.
I don't remember what she's doing, but I.
Nobody knows. There's no explanation for this.
There's no dialogue, there's nothing.
There's just this scene and she's just.
She's just. Exploring her sexuality.
That's all she's doing and having.
She's having a great time. But it's very funny.
Must have been very funny to film, to like, not be laughing
at yourself because she's kind of, like, proud about it, isn't
she? If I remember correctly, she's
just having a good time. She's.
Yeah. So I don't know.
I think it's. Funny.
It's so funny. That's it.
The. Next day, everything goes down
on Saturday. So Gretchen looks like a gay
disco ball and Vero is rocking a stash.
A white stash. That's a choice.
That's. What?
They're feeling that day. Who knows?
So Gretchen tells Zero that she isn't confused anymore.
But then maybe Maya interrupts and Gretchen walks away like
they are so close. They're so close to getting
together, but maybe Maya keeps coming back OK.
But also Vero had a date. So you can't just be making out
with other people when you have a date once in a while, that's
fucked up. There's.
No rules cause Vero said that Vero friendzoned Gretchen and
then all of a sudden wanted to be with Gretchen.
Correct. Without talking to Gretchen.
That part is weird. Anyway, Asher then shows up with
a dildo. It confidently puts it on the
bar and excitedly tells Vero that he got the Babe Town
account. Woo.
Suck it. Chad, I mean Chad gave it to.
Him, I felt like. He's so one anyway, so Asher is
so excited about this that he offers to pay for drinks for
everyone who comes out tonight and then has to clarify for the
first time. Because when you're a queer, you
are always coming out. A grenade is a constant thing.
Fun times. Then Kevin shows up and
immediately heads to the stage. Like.
No time to waste beeline for the stage and he does a big
performance to win Asher back, much to Theora and Zoe's
display. It was not a Love Actually
thing. It was a musical theater thing,
but still a grand gesture. I don't like Love.
Actually, me and Joey both said that movie is overrated.
Like, it's cute, but overrated. So I was fine with this.
This was. Better.
'Cause. He said he's a he's a theater.
Person so like it made a chance for this to be his grand
gesture. But it doesn't fully win him
back. They agreed to take things slow,
but he still gets a kiss out of it.
So victory. Winning.
Afterwards, a bunch of people come out on stage and it's a
super queer, supportive moment, actually, doesn't Kevin?
Interrupt all the coming out to like give his like so like
people were coming up on the stage doing their coming out
saying whatever they identify as and he I pretty sure he
interrupts this to like do the grand gesture cause one person's
up there and they're like, what the Hell's happening?
And then they just. Continue the coming out stuff.
Yeah, and. So Asher is racking up quite a
bar bill cause so many people are.
Coming out. On this stage, which is
unfortunate for his wallet, but good for them, he.
He just got the Babe Town account, so yeah.
He. Can pay for it.
So then I like this one of the ending pieces and we finally get
the title of the show spoken between Gretchen and Vero, which
for some reason I always find amusing and it always catches me
off. And it's always like, ah, like a
little fun. Like there's the title, I don't
know why title. Yeah, so Vera's like, look at
all these And then Gretchen says, them's and then you get
the title and it's, I don't know, it makes me like happy.
Oh man, then. You'd love killing Eve if you've
never seen that show because you.
Haven't. Oh 'cause they?
Do it with the episode title like they do.
Call the title every time. Oh, I miss that.
Yeah. Like ever.
Looked at Yeah, I might have to I've.
Seen people say that they don't like that because it takes you
out of the story when they're like directly saying.
A title. When they're doing it in a
cheeky way to be like, ha, yeah, it's annoying.
But like and killing you, that's not what they're doing.
It's just it is like usually this big moment that's happening
or it's satisfying. I meant more like the these
themes thing. Like this call to title, Yeah?
It. Felt more like cheeky where
they're like, hey, that's the title, yeah, yeah, I can see
that. I don't mind it personally.
I liked it. It always.
It always makes me like because it's a joke, I get.
I get what they're doing. It's one.
That's why I like it. Too it?
Requires no thinking. On my part.
Anyway, Gretchen is talking to Vero and she tells them that
they are her quiro and that's so cute.
And then starts flirting with Vero like the two of these
people like. They.
And probably would have ended up together until maybe Maya
interrupts once again, but then when they dance later, Vero, I
think it's Vero reels Gretchen in.
Or is it the other way around? Vero and Gretchen.
Either way. Those two were involved one.
Of them, yeah. So they then they danced
together and maybe Maya goes out the window again.
So Season 2. Exactly.
They're just setting up Season 2.
We. Have so much more that we need
to see, so hopefully this goes somewhere, but that is it,
unless anyone else has something to say about these themes.
No. I think we can.
Wrap this up with the Big Gay Energy Awards.
So if you're new here, welcome. This is an award we give and
it's a part of a super gay rating system we've developed
with queer science here at the Big Gay Energy Podcast.
Basically what we do is we give this award to a person, an
event, something that happened in this show that emanated Big
Gay Energy and everything that that means.
So in these them's the web series, what would you guys give
the Big Gay Energy Award to? OK, so I gave it to Vero,
explaining queer stuff to the gyno, and I'm just after
everyone's answers, I'll say something.
I Mine is to Gretchen's dramatic acting at the Gyno.
Now I'm gonna give it to the gyno.
I'll. Say apparently we stopped at the
first time. Like, the first.
It's just so great. And like, it exudes so much big
gay energy that it makes you just binge watch the entire
thing there, you. Go.
It's a gateway scene, if you will.
All right, so that's it for these themes.
But if you've made it this far, we wanna know.
So I will. Gonna give you a secret word I
want you to spell in either a review or comment wherever
however you're consuming this podcast.
So without looking it up, use this word.
I just said that. Never mind, forget it.
It's getting late. OK, forgive me.
So the word is sanctimoniously. So good luck figuring out how to
put that word. I don't even know the definition
of that. I just know that it goes with
the word in the first episode, and kudos to all the people who
can figure out why those two words are together all.
Right, so you have a homework assignment from Caitlin.
So thank you all for joining us. After this, we will be getting
back to our Flag Means Death and starting up Season 2, another
show that stars Vico. So come along the journey with
that with us. Also, if you're a big fan of
Vico, check out the interview we did with them.
It was lovely. They're a wonderful human.
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