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today, Theora? Today we're going to talk about
why we love the Earth from the Four Element series.
I'm so excited to talk about this because this show surprised
me in so many ways. So many ways and all in like all
good ways mostly. So yes, yeah, yes.
So this will not be a sea by sea breakdown of the Earth.
This is going to be an overview of all the things we loved about
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do a book club episode where we went through the novel, which is
amazing. If you haven't read it, I highly
suggest it because honestly, the author is just fantastic and it
adds more stuff that wasn't in the show and it's really great.
So you should check that out too now that you've seen the series.
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You're in the right place. All right, so let's get into the
Earth. I want to say what I loved about
it is that it had everything. It was romantic.
It was funny and thrilling. I wasn't expecting the thrilling
part. I went into this blind.
There was more guns in human trafficking than I thought there
would be in this story. So to be honest with you.
Considering I thought the human trafficking would be at 0%,
yeah, I would just. Assume that just general and
then. Boom, human trafficking.
Shame on us, I guess. How could we not think about
that I. Know, I don't know.
I will say, is it bad that if I actually very much enjoyed the
human trafficking storyline, because it was very different?
I. Don't enjoy that.
That's what happened. But I enjoy like that's what
they tackle because we haven't seen that like that's.
I mean, we say it in life unfortunately, but yes.
I mean, it's been in my fiction in a long time.
Yes, I. I guess you're saying a Thai
girl love has not talked about human trafficking?
It's unique to that and it just gave us something new and fresh
and unfortunately awful people. But like, it was very
interesting to watch. One thing that I love is Din's
introduction, because boy does that girl come in guns a
blazing. Literally, literally.
And they try to set up very early on the parallel between
Din and Wazoo. Is there ever really a
competition between the two of them?
I don't think so. But for Rose, who was just
coming back from the United States, having to relearn
everything again because she's like, what is my life, my old
life? I'm just coming back to She
doesn't remember these people. No.
And then, OK, what I have a slight hard time with is that
she doesn't remember Din and Wassu, but then all of a sudden
her memories come back so vividly.
And I guess maybe when you're in that environment, that's
plausible. But they they come back so
quickly and she's like, I immediately know.
Who you are? Although she had no idea in the
beginning, I think with. With Rose, like, I mean, again,
this is where like the the show kind of loses you, but in the
novel, you're in Rose's head a lot more.
Rose has a hard time reconciling who Din is now versus who Din
was as a kid because Rose has been gone for 14 years.
And like she like, of course she doesn't, she doesn't know them
as adults. Like she doesn't know any of
these people. She just knew has vague memories
from when she was a kid and like they were playing and nobody had
responsibilities. You know what I mean?
And here's Din with weapons and it's like, who the fuck is this?
Like Din couldn't defend A grasshopper when she was a child
and now she's like literally guns and blazing like he's so
roses. It's very jarring to me, Rose.
And you're like, what the fuck happened when I was gone?
Why is everybody so different? Like, and the thing about this
too is Rosa's navigating this by herself.
She wasn't supposed to like her dad was supposed to be there to
fill her in because he purposefully shielded her from
all the farm politics happening because he's like, no, no, no,
girl, I will handle this. Then you can come back to
Thailand. But she none of that happened.
So she comes back in the middle of all this function.
I was like what the fuck is happening?
And all she has is MO Dang who? MO Dang knows a lot of tea but
she also doesn't know everything.
So like poor Rose is trying to like figure out what the hell is
going on while her dad's in life threatening condition and like
doesn't know anything. And like, her dad didn't prep
her for any of this because he was trying to like shield her to
protect her, which did her a disservice because then she
comes back and she's like, I don't know what, who are these
people? Like, you know what I mean?
Like, so poor Rose is just trying to like figure this out
on her own. And it was like weird.
Like what a weird thing to have to like be like, what is what is
Dan have a gun? Since when?
Why are they pointing to have a gun?
Wait a minute, why does WESU? Have a gun also.
I also love in the series the way then they're just like no
one has changed. Also at the same time, yeah,
they have guns, but everybody's the same.
I love the scene where Dan and Wesu are pointing guns each
other and Rose starts egging them on.
It's like that is definitely one of my favorite scenes you.
Just got here and she's like, do it, shoot each other and it's
like, what the fuck actually shot each other?
That was crazy. That was not in the mouth.
I just realized that that was hilarious.
Jesus. Christ.
But anyway, like that just shows that is part of like the
parallel between the two of them.
And like they both have said in the beginning like that they
were close to her dad and that her dad asked them to watch out
for her. And the interesting is thing is
that Wasu got to Rose 1st. And now as humans, like you kind
of tend to lean towards like, whatever you're told first
rather than, in my opinion at least, like to what to believe.
Like, yeah, she she can think about it.
But like, Wasu got to her first was like, your dad asked me to
look out for you. OK, cool.
But then here comes Din saying the exact same thing to her.
And so like, what is she? Who is she supposed to believe?
But Wasu was trying so hard to force her to believe him whereas
Din was trying like didn't try to do everything to get Rose to
believe her. Like she trusted her to figure
it out for herself and basically gave her the autonomy to choose
whereas Wasu was trying to take that away from her.
Also, it's very interesting because Din was at the scene,
like they say that Din was there that night.
So like Din could have been the one to do this, but she did
choose Din at the end because of her actions and like the space
that she gave Rose to process and decide for herself.
And he's just a pushy asshole. He is.
I mean, Rose tests both of them. Like if you like.
The thing about Rose is Rose is not.
And I went off on this in the novel, but like, Rose is not a
damsel like in distress. Like she could easily be set up
that way, but she's not. She's really intelligent.
And they make a point, at least the author made a very point, a
big point to be like, Rose is fucking smart and Rose tests the
two of them because she doesn't, again, she doesn't know who to
trust to your point, and she doesn't have her dad to ask like
who, who the fuck did you say this too?
So she has to navigate this by herself.
And so she does test them. And again, Wasu is like, you
should believe me, right? Because I'm telling you this and
then den's like, I'm not going to tell you what to do.
Like you figure it out period. And so like she, she does test
them and that and when Din says that, that's when she's like,
OK, it's obviously you because you're not trying.
If you both tried to push me, then this would have sucked.
But you're very like, I trust you to like Din shows that she
trusts her to your point. So like Rose does set up that
test for them. She doesn't just like blindly
believe anybody as she shouldn't.
These mother fuckers are trying to kill each other in broad
daylight. You shouldn't believe any of
these fucking people like poor Rose.
Oh my God, what a way to come. Back.
Home, though, by the way, the craziest part is at the end when
Dan's like, it's only been two months since all this start and
it's like, what a wild two months for a road.
It's like, Oh my God. I don't know how I didn't catch
that because damn, that's a lot that happens in two months and
they end up ultimately getting married twice.
Twice, but I mean like for. Real.
Yeah, that was all two months. That was 2 two months.
This is 2 months, which is the that's the craziest part of the
knot of this story is that this all happens in two months.
It's wild. Wow.
So the dad recovers in two months too.
That makes that makes biological sense.
He gets out of his coma in two months.
That makes sense, actually. And then he needs rehab for a
long time, like like physical therapy and stuff like that
actually makes sense. But yeah, this was an insane or
rose. So it starts with shootouts and
then it ends with like, arresting people and like, dead
people. What a crazy.
Welcome back. Oh my gosh.
That's something I wasn't expecting in general was.
Death. Yeah, Waseda gets shot like that
and the dad to die like that. Like I just was not expecting
that. I thought like, yeah, maybe
they'll get locked up. Maybe something will happen.
God hope they don't give them a redemption arc.
They didn't. No, thank you Sam for them not
doing that. Salman did not do that.
OK, but I guess Pop Corning. Speaking of redemption arcs, one
thing I did not like about the series and where the series did
a disservice to the novel is Cow's redemption arc because it
was very rushed in the series, like so rushed.
And if you go listen to the novel book club that we did like
I'll talk about Cow's redemption arc.
And I actually really liked the way it was written in this in
the novel because it was this very earned, not that redemption
needs to be earned, but like narratively it was like an
earned redemption arc. And she like goes through all
the stuff. It takes years and she makes
amends with like Din and Rose. This that's not what happened.
Like this and the show, they're like, yeah, dense.
Like I can never forgive you, which happens in the novel.
And then like 5 seconds later forgives her and then she's at
their second wedding. I'm like, what the fuck is this?
It just felt really rushed. Like they were basically like,
shit, we have to do this in the last episode because you can't
reveal the villain. That's the twist that it was
cow. They reveal it in the
penultimate episode, which is 7. And then they're like, well, we
have to like go through all of us and explain it and wrap it up
by 8. I did not like how they did her
redemption arc. It was, they really did a
disservice to the author, who put a lot into Cow's redemption
arc and made it feel very real and narratively satisfying.
And in the series it was not. It was just rushed.
My opinion? Yeah, it was like midway through
Episode 7 where she's like, this is no longer your home, I'm no
longer your friend. And then like in the beginning
of the next episode, that's when she flips.
So yeah, I I agree that that was pretty rushed.
I didn't like. It but again, it's it's the time
for them as well, because that would have had to been revealed
at least one episode beforehand to actually give that story
justice, but they just they didn't have enough time for it.
No, but they yeah, yeah, they could have written it
differently in the last episode to mirror the novel a little bit
better, but. That makes sense.
That was the yeah, they did it. They just, yeah.
So that was the one thing. This was a perfect series for me
until that happened. And I was like no, Nope.
That's fair. Something.
Well, popcorn was something that we didn't.
I don't have many things that I didn't like.
Yeah, I know one thing. That was the one thing.
The one thing I wasn't thrilled with is that when Din gets
drunk, she tells Rose that whatever happens that night is
because she's drunk. And then Rose just kind of goes
with it. But then we get another episode
where Rose basically does, she doesn't say anything, but she
gets drunk and then that's when the intimate contact is
initiated again. And so like it happens both
while they're drunk and the other person just kind of lets
it happen until they fall asleep on top of the other person.
Like this happens twice the exact same thing basically.
So I don't like things that are happening when they're drunk.
I I need at least they weren't drunk at their wedding.
I mean, I I don't assume so. No, OK, I want to talk about
this because this was something that does not happen in the
novel that they put in the show. So let's let's talk about this
because let's let's just go through the whole thing, OK, the
drunk make out sessions. So it's episode 5, OK, it all of
it happens in 5 S In that episode, it starts with drunk
Den falling on top of Rose, then kissing Rose under the guise of
being drunk. Then that same episode book ends
with drunk Rose topping Den the same way, making out with her
and then she falls asleep. So it's the same thing in the
novel. No drunk kissing happens at all,
ever. OK, In fact, well, listen to the
book club because this is actually one of my favorite,
favorite scenes, the way the the writer of this book series loves
making fun of drama series for these typical shit they do.
And she purposely makes fun of them in her novel.
And it's my favorite in her novels.
And she did it again in the water when I read the water.
And it's really funny because she points it out.
She's like, yeah, this shit doesn't happen in real life.
Like she constantly does that. And it's really funny.
She plays with the probes. So the series was kind of like,
yeah, but we're a drama series, so we're going to do it kind of
thing. So what happens in the not in
both? OK, so the back to the series.
So in both instances, to your point, everybody passes out and
like, nothing happens beyond making out and being like, I'm
drunk. That's where that's why I'm
doing this. Sure, sure Jan, and I'm with
you. I am notoriously not a fan of
the drama scene trope with the drunk make out scenes that
border into non consensual territory.
But in this case I'm less mad about it because I think it
makes sense for the characters. Namely, because and think about
Din and Rose in episode. By the time we get to episode 5,
S Din and Rose are both extremely nervous about
confessing their true feelings, and they have 20 years of
history between them and neither of them have romantic
experience. OK, just think about who you're
dealing with here. So it would make sense for them
at this stage OK to need a drastic removal of their
emotional armor before either of them would have the courage to
act on their true feelings. So I think a drunken make out
session fits the characters for who they are at that time.
What would have not made sense and would have never fit these
two characters is if they would had a drunken hookup.
Because that does not make sense for either Din or Rose.
And I'm very grateful the screenwriters did not decide to
go that route. I would have been mad about
that. But them drunkenly making out
and be like, no, it's just because I'm drunk.
Like, like being idiots about it makes sense because they're dumb
and, you know, 20 years of history between them, you know,
so that makes sense. But like for them to like have
sex while they're drunk makes no sense for either of them.
That is fair, especially with like Din, she's always in her
head over thinking things correct and trying to make sure
that Rose is OK. So like it is harder for her to
be able to especially act on it because she's probably
overthinking in her head. Well, I mean, yeah, we see that
she's overthinking like those Rose like me, like should I even
do this? Like all those things going
through her head. So having this, like, drinking
to remove her, like thoughts and just, yeah, trying to figure out
the right words. Emotional armor comes down.
That's all it is. Yeah.
Also like give her a little bit of confidence.
Right, exactly. So it's like I'm not mad at like
drunk make out scenes, just in general, like usually like just
that because like that happens in real life.
It's like we we get mad, we're like, wow, I can't believe
people bake out with their yes, people do that shit when they're
drunk because it like, yeah, it's quiets your thoughts and
then it like gives you courage you wouldn't have otherwise.
Like take girls for example. It's a great example.
You have this like Min not just like just skip ahead like 30
seconds if you haven't seen the show and you're planning on it
like Min, OK. When Min's like doing the the
photo shoot, she's like, oh, give me some like alcohol that
will help me like loosen up. Like kind of because like that's
real. You're just like, I'm in my
head. I need to not be in my head.
So it makes sense for Din's kind of like that.
Like to your point, Din's more introverted and so she's in her
head. Also another point about the
show or a point about Din that is made over and over again is
Din cannot communicate well to save her life, hence the
proposal. Or she's just like, marry me
right now with no explanation and that goes poorly, right?
So Din can't communicate. So like she needs help.
So like the alcohol is held trying to help Din.
Basically, Din is not great at expressing her feelings.
It's like it has no experience with this.
And so like these, I like characters like this because
they're 30 year olds trying to figure out how to be in love for
the first time and like how to like express their feelings.
And they fucking can't because she spent 30 years not doing it
and so has to figure it out real quick and it gets messy.
Like those feelings are hard. No one's helping her with this.
She's trying to navigate it on her own.
She's kind of a disaster, which is makes her endearing, but
like, and she's not like malicious about it.
She's like very good intention, but she's kind of a disaster.
It's kind of hilarious. And then you have Rose, who's
also doesn't know what she's doing and is also trying to
navigate this with Din, who's like older than her and not
helpful as just, you know, it kind of like made sense, even
though like the author made a point to be like, no romantic
tropes like this in my novel, please.
But then the series is like, we're going to do it because
we're a series. That's that's wild though.
They'll be like, Nah, we're just going to ignore.
That they're like, we're just going to do it.
Yeah. It's like, seriously, go read
the novel. Listen to the book club for the
scene in particular is really funny the way Salman wrote it,
so fun. She made a point to be like,
that's not what happens in real life.
The series is like, this isn't going to do it though, because
we're a drama series and we have tropes to fulfill.
Oh my gosh. OK, something something else I
really love about the series specifically as I thought the
casting went on point for the earth.
All the cousins are great. And like that's not we're not
going to super focus on all the cousins because this is Dan and
Rose's story, as I'm not personally, I will talk about
them, but like for casting, I specifically want to talk about
Den and Rose. So Apple and men, I thought I
thought Apple was perfect for Den.
Let's just address the elephant in the room right now.
So basically the OG casting for this was supposed to be fine,
Yoko. We're supposed to play Din and
Rose. And while I believe in them, I
like this route better, I think, because I think Apple did an
amazing job of leaning into how awkward Din is and making a
point to be like, she's a mess. And I thought she did a great
job of like playing the endearing awkward Din.
And she did a good job of tapping into Dim's warmth
because that's a huge part of Din that like the author really
harps on. And that's something that like
in the novel, like you're in Rose's point of view a lot.
And like, that's what connects her to Din.
And so I think that she did a great job of bringing out all
the characteristics of Din that are important for Din.
I just love how awkward Din is. That's probably one of my
favorite parts. But Ansa's base, I mean, Din is
basically Ansa if she ran a farm.
Like, let's be honest, like that's Din.
Oh my gosh, Din, could you imagine?
Like they did this like mentorship thing and she has to
mentor Ansa and be like, I got nothing.
This this is how I live my life too.
I just I would love to see those two characters interact.
That would be hilarious. Oh my gosh, no, I yeah, I don't
want to like think too much and like talk too much about like
what would have been, but like I feel like didn't would have come
off a little too confident if I was to play.
Yeah, or too intense, because if I super intense, that's her
greatest strength as an actor is like that intensity that she
has. It's so great and it's like not
many actors can do it. So Dan would have been, but Dan
is intense. Not that Dan's not intense, but
it would have been fun to actually see her be more comedic
as an actor. I think it would have been fun.
Honestly. I don't know, Like I'm saying,
like I'm saying, if it was the original casting, it still would
have been a great show. But I just think that Apple was
a really good good fit for Dan because she made Dan goofy and
and Dan is goofy and like she did a good job of like doing all
like leaning into like the awkwardness of like.
Yeah, her facial expressions, her facial expressions were like
so awkward too. And like like I.
Did this such a good job with all of that because especially.
That scene where she like when Rose and her dad go to Bangkok
and she's like sneaking around and then Rose finds her and she
has the flower just like this, like micro expressions on her
face. So she's just like, it's just
she was. So good.
She was hilarious. She was so cute.
She is adorable. She's roses.
Yeah. They they both did such a great
job. Yeah, Mim did great too.
This is her first acting role is my understanding.
And she did a great job with Rose and showing that Rose is a
capable person who is intelligent and also silly.
Like Rose has all those qualities too.
And I think Mim did a good job bringing that into the like
highlighting that in Rose because those are again
important character traits for Rose also that kind of foiled
in. So they did a good job
complimenting. They're acting with each other,
which is great because you have like Apple's like a veteran
industry person who, by the way, directed the best pilot ever,
which was the last case. Oh my God.
Like I. I like the art.
Told me who? Apple was and I'm just like, I'm
I want to bow down to her like. Major artist crush on Apple for
fucking directing that. Those were the best pilots ever.
It's so good, it's a actually a crime that it didn't get made
into a series. I don't think like it officially
got shot down either. I think it might still be like a
potential, at least from what I've seen.
It was just that she had to go into this project and like, she
got thrown into other things because she's she's too.
Talented. She's too.
Talented, yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah, she's
directing again. She's.
Going to direct something else that's coming out, like for
North Star. I forgot what it was.
Another girl up here, she's directing.
Oh, I would love to talk to her. Seriously, I would love to pick
her brain. She's really brilliant and
honestly, in some scenes you could I could tell that she was
a director. Especially like the, what is it,
the din and roses, Like they're sealing their marriage scene at
the very end. I could just tell by the way she
was acting. I'm like, you've been behind the
camera before because I can tell by the way you're like
positioning yourself and stuff like you're, you filmed shit
before. Like she's just really brilliant
the way she does stuff. Like you can tell she has a lot
of experience. Oh my gosh, I love her so much.
Yeah, Also with that she was. Great for Den.
I loved her as Den. That scene after the wedding, I
love that they chose to go intense like that because it,
it's really been building up. Like they fully know they're on
the same page and like they, they want it.
And I just love that intensity from the two of them because
it's so different from what we've seen too.
Like this is who they are when they know they can have what
they want. Yes, and I again, thank you,
Salman, because I love the I love the line for Bros where
she's like, is this who you really are?
You're a thirsty bitch. Like where'd this come from?
And that was from the novel. It's hilarious.
Like the writer of this book does a great job with
characterization, which is one of my favorite things.
That's probably why I like the story so much.
She does a good job of giving like a lot of depth to all of
her characters, even side characters.
Like they all are very 3 dimensional.
What was I going to say? I lost it.
I had a thought that it's gone now.
Going back to Mim real quick, she for a first project too,
like I would not have caught that because she has like the
ugly cry down and I don't mean that she looks ugly but her
crying is full body emotion like she's not coming down her nose
she's crying. That.
Hard. Like the tears are dripping off
her chain. Like I don't know where what
place she had to put herself in to get that emotion.
And I hope that I kind of hope that they filmed both hospital
scenes where she's crying like that back-to-back.
So she didn't have to do that multiple days because that is a
lot. And just seeing the raw emotion
on her face. And she was, she did that in
multiple scenes, not even just in the hospital.
Yeah. Like when she's crying at at
night and she won't eat, like she did it there too.
Like I'm in all of that because crying is a hard on commands
like that. Yeah.
So I'm showing you're brand new like.
Yeah, and like, I'm sure she felt like she had to prove
something to people, too, because it's her first project.
Yeah. She nailed it.
That emotion that takes talent. Yeah, like she must have felt a
lot of pressure, especially because, like in this particular
model, like the Thai girl of industry, it's like ships or
what matters. So it's like you also have to
sell the ship hard. That's how you get projects.
But not only is the pressure on because you've never done this
before, but then it's like you also really have to sell this
partnership you're just entering for the first time, especially
in a huge project like, like, this is a huge project.
Like in the girl of industry, like the four elements and
you're the first one, like, they're the first elements.
Like stuff like, yeah, there's a lot riding on poor men to, like,
do this. She killed it, though, like, not
poor. She really did.
That was a lot of pressure. Oh, I'm so proud of both of them
because. Yeah, a great job.
Absolutely love them. Didn't Rose in particular I
absolutely love. So their tropes are the
childhood friends to fake wives to real wives trope I guess.
So they with that they had a lot of childhood flashbacks and I
think the way they did them in the series were super cute.
Like little Din and the Prince outfit was the fucking cutest
thing ever. Din and Little Rose were just
the cutest ever. It wouldn't be me if I didn't
bring up the child actors too. So I'm glad you did it for me
because they are the cutest little things in the world and
they embody the older versions. Like I couldn't believe it.
Like some of little Rose's facial expressions like are the
same as adult Rose. It was the cutest little thing.
And Oh my God, I just, they're so cute.
Anyway, I they did a phenomenal job at like and like Din baby
Din when she's running with her arms like literally hanging
down. Yeah, again, they made Din
awkward and it is awkward. It is super awkward.
And she always was. Yeah, no, they did a very good
job. Like they were very cute
flashbacks. Absolutely loved it.
I'm like. Hey, guys.
Go ahead. Go.
Ahead, go ahead. Just something we keep talking
about how like they were, they knew each other in childhood and
how like that's usually the thing that happens.
Like they always have a history. I didn't mind it in the show,
no, because they had that such a big gap too.
So they had to relearn each other.
So it's kind of like they didn't fully know each other from a
young age and but that foundation was still there.
The key is foundation. So where I have an issue with
this, we knew each other as children trope is when it's like
I saw like Pluto, I saw you once.
We had one conversation for 30 seconds and I was hung up on you
for 20 years. That is not Din and Rose.
Din and Rose legitimately knew each other for years.
Like it's not like there was a fleeting I saw you once thing.
No, they actually like spend time together.
They they embody a lot of old school romantic tropes, like
Rose is literally the girl next door.
Like, you know what I mean? It was very much like we're both
from powerful families and like we're the heirs to these like
farm estates. Like they have a lot of like
sweepingly romantic tropes built into them that makes their story
like this really epic 20 years saga kind of thing.
And it all fits together and makes sense for them, like
because of all the tropes they embody.
Yeah. And just, yeah, I, I loved
seeing the foundation. And I like that they gave us so
many of those scenes, too, especially to reinforce that
Wasu has also always been an asshole with the way that he was
trying to force Rose onto a boat.
And, like, glad that memory came back to her because if she
wasn't sure that she chose right before, she definitely chose
right then. Because he's like, your dad told
me it was OK. And Din's like, no, he told me
to never let Rose on a boat. So she's not going on the damn
boat. She didn't say that she's a
child anyway. And then the dad comes, and he's
like, I did tell Din not to let Rose on a boat because she's not
a good swimmer. So like, that just reinforces
that decision for Rose to believe Din.
And yeah, it was a great scene to parallel it.
Yeah, it's a really good scene. Back to their tropes, though,
something that I my favorite trope that they embody is the
fake dating trope. That's I'm a sucker for that
trope. And the reason is, is because in
order for the fake dating trope to be executed perfectly, it
requires the characters to operate at peak dumbass at all
times. And they did.
And it just leads to shenanigans that are just so funny.
And so I was very, very happy about that.
Oh yeah, the the fake dating to that's great real feelings.
My favorite is wonderful, especially when you get the
cousins involved. And yeah, it's not their story
so we won't harp too much on them, but boy did they bring in
some chaos to this story in particular, especially with is
it Loam or Loam OK, with Loam saying like telling Din that she
should marry Rose but not she forgot out she left out the part
conveniently to explain to Rose why she wants to marry her.
And I loved that scene first of all with Din proposing without
explaining why. She's just like, will you marry
me? Like what the hell is Rose
supposed to think? Like my best friend is asking me
to marry them right now and then like who?
Out of nowhere like. Yeah, out of nowhere with, you
know, like she probably doesn't realize her feelings yet, but
they're probably still in the back of her head too.
So she's like, Oh my God. But again, out of nowhere.
And then I love the scene with is like, you dumb ass.
And like she tells her that she should have talked to her first
because yeah, it's only only Din could have done something like
this of not being like, hey, let's I had this plan.
No, I'm just will you marry me? It's it's insane.
It is insane. It's great.
I have stuff about the cousins, but I want to wrap up my
thoughts about Din and Rose. But yeah, I agree, that scene
was just hilarious because Din can't communicate.
And then there's your best example of that.
But just in general, I think that Din and Rose were
incredibly sweet as a couple. Like they're very green flag
couple which is. Sweet.
And back to the communication. So one thing I do like about
them as their communication as a couple improved as this as the
story goes on, right. So it to your point, that
example, it really a lot of the reason, the reason why Din
doesn't explain is because she's bad at it, first of all.
But second of all, at that time in the story, Din's inability to
communicate her like the like full truth is really tied to the
secretiveness going on about like the human trafficking stuff
that she's trying to keep Rose out of the same way Rose's dad
was doing it, right? But also like their inability to
communicate as a couple. It is tied into the human
trafficking stuff that Rose doesn't learn about so much
later. But also it's tied into the fact
that Din is an awkward mess sometimes.
And just like that proposal scene.
But if you notice as Din starts to get more in touch with her
feelings for Rose, she actively works on her communication and
it ultimately makes them a stronger couple because like
Rose is constantly being like, no Din, you have to fucking
actually tell me how you feel about shit because otherwise
it's going to cause problems. And I love that Rose
specifically points that out. She's like, cuz like at one
point I think I'm a honeymoon, the fake one.
She's like, what do you want to do, Dan?
And Dan's like whatever you want to do, Rose.
And she's like, but Dan, what do you want to do?
And she's like, I like what you like, like Rose.
And Rose is like, girl, if you don't fucking tell me what you
actually want and just give me what I want all the time, like
you're going to resent me eventually.
And I don't want that. So like, you need to fucking be
honest. So I love that Rose is a
therapist sometimes to Dan. And it's like, girl, no.
Then she pushes back like. And I think that ultimately
helps them because Dan is all too eager to just people please,
for everybody because Dan is Earth.
She's Mother Earth. She's just the nurturing one.
She's this ultimate, like, support person.
But like, roses, like, forces Dan to be like, Dan, what do you
want? Because you actually have to
answer that question. You can't just live for
everybody else. Like, you have to, like, tap
into what you want sometimes. And that's how you get, like,
the sexy scene at the end where she's like, whoa, Dan, what is
all this? It's like, yeah, Dan's going
after what she actually wants in that scene.
And that's probably the biggest like, and it's, it's a stark
contrast of Din being greedy versus Din being selfless, which
is all the time. So, and it's a good
juxtaposition because like balance is important, you know
what I mean? Yes, but yeah, I loved, I loved
that as well with Rose being like, no, tell me I or else
you're going to resent it if you keep just doing what I want.
That's a good point and something good to show too.
Like yeah, there's some compromise in relationships
where you do what the other partner wants, but you have to
take what you want as well or else you're living for someone
else and not for yourself either.
Yeah. And that that conversation is
from the novel. Like that's salmon
characterizing Tin and Rose. And it was, again, very strong
character author. That's all I have for dinner and
Rose, I don't know if you have anything else for Dinner and
Rose. My next point is about the
cousins. I just have another scene that I
loved between the two of them do it, and it's when Din is showing
Rose the vegetable farm and she's like, our vegetables are
so clean. You can just eat right off of
it. Like right off of it.
You can eat it right as you pick it.
And Rose is like, oh, yeah, there's a big Caterpillar on the
leaf. Yeah.
And so like, they Crouch down to try and find this Caterpillar.
And, like, they both, well, Din's looking for the
Caterpillar. And Rose looks to Din, and it
looks like they're about to kiss.
And then Din starts panicking and eats a leaf.
Eats lettuce or whatever the fuck.
Yeah, you dad's an idiot. And I just like, again, it's her
facial expressions too, she has them down and it's just so good
and I love it so much. Such a good actor.
She's so funny. I love it.
Yeah, I will. And again, I will die on the
hill that she's perfect for den. She's a perfect den.
She's so funny. All right, so the Chaos cousins
absolutely love them. You're right.
This wouldn't be the four elements without the four
elements, and they're a whirlwind.
Do you have anything you want to say about them?
I just I want to talk about like a specific scene and stuff.
With them, just go ahead, OK? So I the thing I love about them
in the in the series specifically is that every scene
with the cousins in it was slightly different from the
novel, but not in a bad way at all.
In fact, most scenes in which the cousins were in it were even
funnier than they were in the and the novel is funny.
Like they're absolutely chaotic and really fucking funny.
And I appreciate this story because it's not just in
general, because it's not just the romantic couple that is the
main star. There's a family element to it
which is missing from a lot of Thai girl love novels, to be
serious, to be quite honest, like And so it's nice when
they're in there and this one's a really strong, solid family
and they just keep showing up and just like causing chaos and
like in a lovable way. And I think it's probably the
best thing about this whole series is the the family element
that's very central to the story, even though it's not
central because like Din and Rose's love story is the central
story, but like it wouldn't be the same without the family.
The family is like really the backbone of the whole thing.
And OK, so back to the fact that a lot of the scenes in the
series are even funnier and my then the original.
And I will say my absolute favorite is via noms first
appearance. It's probably my favorite.
It's the most different and it's just chaotic as fuck.
So when they first show up via nom roll up on a rig attached to
a motorcycle because they have to go find den and Rose in the
middle of the fields, right? And when you get the first shot
of them, Fi is fearless as fuck on this rickety fucking side car
thing, right? And that makes sense because
she's the fire. So she's like wild.
But nom just go back and look at nom in the scene.
Nom the Super, super serious, a hotel heiress is like on this
rickety sidecar and she looks so freaking uncomfortable, like
riding on this thing because in what universe does she get on a
very unsafe looking like sidecar?
Like so OK, so how does she get on this thing?
Like, OK, she had to have agreed to this because 1/5 was freaking
out. And so she's like, OK, I'll I'll
get on this thing for you. But also like her and five, I
thought Dan was in danger. So it it speaks to who Nam is as
a person that she got on this thing for her family.
So that tells you a lot about Nam and the water right right
then and there because like you guys go watch it.
She looks freaked out, to be honest, or spies, like ready to
fight everyone in the scene. OK, so then they roll up on this
rickety thing, buys the first one off of it and then marches
up to them and demands to marry Rose out of never met this woman
and demands to marry Rose out of nowhere.
Then Dennis confused that Fi and number even here she's like when
did you guys get here? Like, which happens a lot, and
then Dan, so Dan's trying to process what is going on.
Meanwhile, this is the different part.
Lam swoops in and then uses weaponized hugging to silence
Phi, which is really fucking funny.
Meanwhile, Nam finally shows up and just stands there awkwardly
and it's like, welcome to the family, Rose.
This is the family you're marrying it to.
They're all crazy. Like what?
An introduction for these characters and for Rose who's
meeting them. It was so funny and so OK it
was. A great introduction to the
dynamic that you're that you'll see throughout this show and the
other series between the cousins because first of all, I love
that they just show up out of the blue because there's that
close. I like would love to have a
family like that. I'm sure it gets annoying for
them because we see how it gets annoying because they even
interrupt Din trying to be with Rose.
I'm sure it. Is hilarious too.
But like that dynamic between all of them is just so funny.
Chaotic but loving. You can tell they love each
other so much and that they would do anything for each
other. Like, yeah, I'm getting on this
death trap that she probably thinks it is.
Yes, she definitely does. But she doesn't.
Yeah, exactly. So, But anyway, like, yeah, your
point is very valid. But with the novel, like a lot
of what happens in the novels, like a lot of like bantering.
So a lot of the bantering scenes with them, it does come from the
novel. But like the way it was, this
was acted out with like long like silencing 5.
That was like just in the series.
So like they again, they took like the bantering and then they
expanded on it and made it even funnier because to your point,
you get to see their individual dynamic, their group dynamic.
You have more like body comedy happening with them.
It was really fun. Like I I knew that scene was
going to be funny, but then watch it and I was like, this is
literally this is somehow funnier than it already was.
So like, thank you to the series for like leaning into how funny
the family dynamic is and to your point, showing how
comfortable they are because by is ready to throw hands with
everyone in that scene. And then moms just like and it
does calm her down. Like it works like she knows how
to neutralize the little fire that's going off.
Like so it does show you that like they're not, she wasn't mad
trying to fight long. Like it just goes to show you
like how they like balance all balance each other out.
I just love Nam being awkward. She's like standing there.
She's the most awkward out of all of it.
Like if you think Din's awkward, wait till the water gets going
cuz Nam is the most awkward out of all of them.
And so she's just like standing there.
Like I don't understand any of this and I don't know how to be
a human. Like, it's just, they're all so
funny. And then Den's like, don't
worry, Phi's really a nice person.
And she's like trying to fight Lam in the background and like,
and just like, imagine being Rose in that scene and you're
just like, what is happening? Like who are all these people?
And they're just a lot. This is slightly random, but
it's ironic that Lam was able to calm Phi down because air
usually makes fire worse, not calm it down.
And I think it does. So if I had to rank like the
chaoticness of the cousins, the least chaotic is mom because
like water is calm. She's calm.
Water specifically. Then you've Din, who's the
stable earth. OK, so she's she's the least
chaotic, but she is chaotic and it comes from her awkwardness.
Her awkwardness makes her chaotic like in like a golden
retriever kind of way. Then I would, I don't know Lam
and Phi the best, but I'm pretty sure Lam is next as like in
terms of most chaotic. And then the most chaotic I'm
assuming is Phi. Like so those two are the most
chaotic. So yeah, it is funny.
So like, how does she calm her down with more chaos?
Like she's like, let me just strangle you a little.
I'm going to weaponize some hugging and make you stop.
And it works. Oh my gosh, no.
The physicality from Lam is amazing.
I love all her choices, free choices that Yeah, like she's so
funny. Make that character 1000 times
better. I I love her so much.
It's my favorite freeing character.
I saying that now, I haven't even seen the show yet.
That character is my favorite of hers because she portrays it so
well. She was, I mean, she's able to
have a lot more emotion with this character as well, so.
Yeah, she's not repressed like Pin was or.
And she's able to have. Fun, Yeah, yeah, I've always
said that Freen is a great would be a such a great comedian and
I've been OK, but my dream role is like her and Phi acting in a
fucking comedy together, which we almost had with the earth,
which but whatever. Like she's a hilarious like
actor. So I'm really glad I'm all with
you. I'm glad she's finally at a a
role where she gets to be funny because she is a good comedian.
So I'm very glad she got to like showcase all of that and just go
off with mom because she's she's fucking funny.
Like give her more comedy rolls. She's she kills that she's
fucking funny like as hell. Like I love her.
She has good comedic timing, comedic choices.
Like she's great. The little finger gun thing
where she like stabs, like at the first episode there's like
mom, she's like back off bitch. Like that was one of the
funniest. I don't know how much of this
was scripted or they just like, yeah, whatever, because.
I would love to see the script to see like what physicality
stuff is scripted and what is just them playing.
Just doing whatever. Yeah, Because it.
Looks like they were able to play.
I think so. I think a lot of it was improv,
to be honest. Oh my gosh, I just, I am so
excited that we get to keep seeing this dynamic over there,
three more series because it, it's, it just makes my heart
happy because we're not just losing them.
Yes, I agree and then with each series you get the wives get
added in so like the family gets bigger, which is funny.
One thing I will say about the cousins that I think in the
series, I think the writers did a very good job of balancing the
guest appearances with the cousins while focusing primarily
on Roses did and Rosen did because it is their story,
especially because Apple and Mam were a new acting pair.
And so to be like have too much of the big juggernaut actors
like Ingfa and and Freeing in it did not take away from their
like Apple and Mims acting. I like showcasing their
characters. So I'm glad they did that they
found a good balance. I think that it helps because
like I'm being in the fandom, like it didn't pick up until
freeing shows up and then people are like Mom and freeing and
like, yeah, so that helps skyrocket the show.
But they didn't do it too much. And I was worried that they were
going to over shadow like the actual main actors and like the
main story and they did it. Like they could have been like,
oh, let's write more scenes for them right to to increase
popularity. Yeah, but yeah, right they.
Could have very easily done that.
But they didn't even have them in there for until episode 3.
And that that was a great decision to let the sorry Apple
and Mim just breathe on their own and become their own people
that we get introduced to in this show.
And I, I agree it was they, they sprinkled it enough.
I'm surprised that they were in it as much as they were
actually, though not. No, I mean that that goes back
to the novel. So in the novel, Lam is very
much involved with the human trafficking storyline.
So like it did fall. Lam was in it in the first one
of the earlier scenes. So I am surprised they didn't
have her show up earlier because again, the fandom did not start
getting active really until Frame showed up.
So I'm honestly surprised they didn't put her in there earlier.
But they did like the reveal of her in the motorcycle and being
like, what the fuck took you so long?
I did such an asshole, that scene.
It's really funny. But yeah, so it's true to the
novel the way they did it. Speaking of cousins, one of my
last point about the cousins is that one of my favorite
relationships in the whole of the story is Phi and Rose's
relationship. They, they, they.
Probably are my favorite relationship in all of the four
elements because the way it starts is just chaotic.
And then like once it clicks for Phi that like Rose is very
serious about Din and like, loves Din the way she does,
She's like, OK, yeah, I love her forever.
And then Phi is like her number one fan, like the whole time and
my and like so much so that it's I'm like, do you love her more
than Din? Because there's one part where I
think it was the last episode where Din's like, I don't know
where Rose is and Phi's with her.
And Phi's like, Oh yeah, she's here.
Like she knows where Rose is at all times, like more than Din.
And it's just so funny because she's always keeping tabs on
Rose. And I really think that, like,
her and Rose are like best friends.
And you really can't convince me otherwise just because the way
Phi always knows where Rose is and what she's doing.
And I think it's their relationships are really funny
and cute and I like when they gang up on Din.
I mean, yes, that's always fun, but I think that also just shows
how much she has accepted her into the family because she's
truly protective of her. Like she needs to know where she
is at all times so nothing bad can happen to her.
So I feel like that has just continued even though like, even
after like the danger was eliminated.
Yeah, yeah. It also helps that there are
similar ages because like having read the water, like fire
doesn't bond with like Nam's wife the way she does with Rose.
Like she loves Rose like she's always she calls her boss Rose
like all the time. Like still like it's so fucking
funny. Like they're just their their
dynamic is really funny and I like that again, in the series
they played into, there's some there's a scene where they're
gang up on den and like Rose and fire like inspiring right in
front of them, like in being playful with each other.
And I'm glad they put that in there because their their
friendship is really funny and I and sweet.
And I really like that they put that in there because the way it
starts off was is chaotic, but then like they end up being very
good friends. All right, last section I have
is just like a collection of scenes that went down
differently than the novel. I don't know if you have any
other points you'd like to bring.
Up I have just like a scene and then a half a point.
My half point is that I'm very because it's rare.
Still. I want to give props to the dad
who wanted his daughter to be with whoever she wanted because.
Yes. So often we still get this.
We are seeing more of like the parents being like, no, you do
what you want to do, but we still get the no, you will marry
this person and that. But the the dad really cared
about what his daughter wanted and what would make her happy.
And that just that made me happy to see and I just love that.
So props to him. And it was never a.
Rose's dad, you mean? Yes, Rose's dad and also
something is like, it was never an issue that there was two
women wanting to be together. It was the issue was just that
Din, like with Wasu and his family, it wasn't the issue that
there was two women. It was that it's Din and like he
just wants to be with Rose because of the land.
Yes. So I like that that was it.
It wasn't the two women aspect of it.
And then the scene that I want to talk about is with Modang
actually and love. Modang just a joke.
Love yes, I love Modang, especially with the way that she
set quote modest pyjamas for. The lingerie.
She's an idiot. Before I get into the.
Series. I did have a question did Modang
ever Like when did they tell MO Dang that the wedding was fake
because we just see her at the second wedding but I don't think
we ever see her find out that the.
Wedding. I don't think they ever tell
everybody that it's fake. To be honest, I don't know that
they just. Get married again.
Yeah, well, cuz The thing is like Rose's dad wasn't at the
original wedding, so it could very easily that they're just
like, well we're going to redo it so that Rose's dad is here
because like he mental, he was like surrogate dad to Den and
then like actual dad to Rose. So it could be that that's just
what they told people because they never dissolved the
marriage contract. The marriage contract is in
place the whole fucking time. Like they don't actually get
divorced and they get married. Like they just do the separation
thing and then, which was done better in the novel, by the way.
And then they, yeah, just have another ceremony where Rose's
dad gets to be there. And in the novel specifically,
they're like, it's, it was literally just like the cousins
and like the dad. It wasn't this big.
There wasn't a ton of people. I feel like in the novel,
they're just like, wrap up party.
Everyone's here. But that is not what they did in
the novel. They're just like, we're going
to do this for us. And so that like our families
are here watching us get married for real.
So I don't think they ever told anybody else that like that was
a fake marriage. I just feel like out of
everybody, MO Dang deserved to know.
Yeah, that. She is a big mouth though, like
she would have told other people 100% which is why you can't like
but like she's so close with them that I feel like she
deserves to know but that's what was going on.
But then I feel like. She'd be hurt too, so it's like
a. Catch 22 if you tell her, but I
don't know, I just kind of wish she knew.
And I wish we got that scene. They could have been like, all
right, the wedding's fake. She's like, what do you mean you
don't actually like each other? And then like she's panicking
and then they're like, no, we're actually together still.
There's no way. Monet would believe that because
she's like, you guys have been in love with each other for
years. She clocked them a she's like,
that's not true. Like, you guys love each other,
right? Exactly.
Which was true so. But my favorite, one of my
favorite Modang scenes is when Rose and her dad and Modang are
in Bangkok. And that scene again, with Din
trying to like, come and give food and like, Modang has to
pretend like she won the lottery.
That was crazy. And the fact, hold on, like the
fact that Modang spends her own money on Rose to show her like
how much she like loves her and like appreciates her is so sweet
when you know like Rose could just afford it.
I know, I know, there are sour dolls there.
Yeah, but like, Modang being that sweet is adorable, all
right. But in the scene, Rose and Din
are like both trying to give each other quote time.
And I love the way when MO Dang is like, what, a gentlewoman,
and you are also trying to give her time.
Miss Rose wants to give you time and then she gets all serious.
It's such a waste of time. Yeah.
And I just love how she's like tells it like it is to Ding.
She's like I'm sick of this. You guys need to just get
together, figure your shit out because you are supposed to be
together. The time giving each other time
is a waste of time because you don't need time.
You're you're. You're like destined for each
other or something like that, yeah.
No, that that conversation is not in the novel, and I'm glad
they put it in there because if you watch that scene when Modang
is like, oh, you're such a gentlewoman.
Didn't didn't like puffs her chest and she's like, yes, I am.
She's she's trying to be the gentlewoman and then modags
like, but by not talking, you're not resolving this.
So then when are you going to resolve this?
Because you're both avoiding each other because you respect
each other, but then nothing is happening.
So like go fucking talk to That's what you say.
She's like, go talk. That's you guys need to talk to
resolve this, but no ones talking.
So this is a waste of time. Yeah, I thought it was really
great because, yeah, it does go down a little bit differently in
the novel, which, again, check out the book club for that
because it's it's either scenario is funny, which is
different the way it goes down. But I'm glad that Moden got to
put that in there because like, that is the character flaw of
like, being too chivalrous that she's pointing out and then
being too considerate. She's like, you guys need to
like balance each other out by talking because otherwise you're
just avoiding each other by being too considerate of the
other person. And then it's like avoidance,
which is the the, the flip side of that.
Right. So, yeah, that was a great
scene. I'm glad Modan said that.
But just Dan was so funny because she's like, yeah, you're
complimenting me. And then he's like, you're being
an idiot by doing this. Dan's like, damn, so stupid.
I love Jen. She's so stupid, but in an
enduring way. Oh, yeah.
I have one more point before I get into other scenes.
One thing I thought was really funny, like ironic funny is that
Rose makes this huge point of being like, I'm a modern woman.
I'm not because like, remember when they they they get married
in the beginning and mode or she's thinking of marrying dead
or whatever and mode he's like, oh, if you don't love her now,
you love her eventually. That's like kind of what
marriage is sometimes. And Rose is like, I'm a modern
woman. I'm a Gen.
Z mode. I need to be a love first.
So she's like, I'm not old fashioned at all.
And then she marries Din. Din is the most old fashioned
person. Din, the woman who's like, I
can't have sex with you until your dad agrees to let me marry
you. I'm like, that's who you end up
with. And then she's like being like,
I'm a modern woman. And like Din is not a modern
person. Din's very old.
Din's like a very old school, like chivalrous like type of
person. And like, that's who Rose falls
in love with. And she's like, I'm a modern
woman. I'm like, OK, Rose.
Are you though? Are you Rose?
It just makes me funny because it's like everything about Rose
is very traditional. It's not actually modern.
Like Rose is like the housewife that brings Den lunch on her
lunch break and Den's the breadwinner.
Like they fit a traditional like rolls.
And then so it just makes me laugh that that's what that's
what Rose is saying. I'm pretty sure Monet rolls her
eyes at that. She's like, OK, Rose sure.
Usually. Look at the mirror girl.
OK, all right, scenes, other scenes that went down
differently than the novel that were either enhanced or I
thought were kind of funny. So Din and Rosa's accidental
first kiss. OK, so this happened at the
wedding. We all remember that when Din
passes out. So this does not happen.
OK, So in both the series and the novel, the way it goes down
is they they get married, they're standing up there and
then MO Dang and the cousins in fact instigate the the kiss
chanting, leaving Din and Rose altar or whatever, being like,
what do we do? And Din, of course, if Din
freezes in both instances because she does not know what
to do because they didn't think this part of the wedding through
apparently. And in the novel, Rose is the
one that takes charge and she's like, I guess I have to do
something because Din's useless. And so she kisses Din on the
cheek in the novel and leaves the lipstick print which comes
up in the the novel a bunch of times.
And in the series it happens the same way where Rose is like I
guess I have to take action because dens useless.
And then she goes to kiss Din on the cheek, but the Din awkwardly
moves her head at the last second.
And then they accidentally kiss each other, which leads to big
gay panic and so much so that didn't passes out.
And then it's hilarious though, because the cousins rushed to
Din. Some of them were laughing be
like she's an idiot. And then Phi screaming don't die
Din. And like so the way they acted
it out was actually pretty funny.
But like that is not what happened.
But it was really fucking funny the way they chose to execute
this. So I'm not mad at this change
and actually is again the season the cousins they somehow made
funnier than they originally were.
And this was a great example. If I screaming don't die.
Dan was one of the funniest fucking and the Rosa just
laughing. She's like I married this
fucking idiot. Look at this.
I did that. I did this.
I made her pass out.
So fucking funny. OK, I went over the drunk make
out sessions. Other thing is their honeymoon.
So after that, when that like the, yeah, the actual, the fake
honeymoon at Nam's resort, most of that was brand new.
So like the massage lesson, that whole thing where Din's like
basically motor boarding Rose during the massage, that was
hysterical. I don't know who chose to do
that, but that was ridiculous. That whole scene, the massage,
it was so ridiculous. It was so ridiculous.
Dan was so funny in that scene. That was crazy.
What a funny scenario. Like, I feel like they're just
like, what could they do? That would be ridiculous?
And honestly, that was a funny choice.
They did not. They did not do that in the
book. Whoever came up with that was a
genius because I would have never thought for that to be a
lesson. That was so fucking funny.
Other thing that was different, that was not ridiculous, but
really sweet was the fireworks where Din arranges the
fireworks. And I thought that was really
first of all, you're in visual media.
So like that was great. Like you can do that and it
comes across really well visually, but also like it's it
was just a very sweet gesture. And again, a good visualization
for us and Rose of just like how much Din cares about Rose
because like Din ultimately was like, I want you to have fun and
make this a good memory regardless of what the outcome
is with this whole marriage thing.
Like I want you to have fun and enjoy yourself.
And like she goes through all of these efforts, like to make sure
that that happened with literal fireworks.
Like I really like that. All right.
And my last one is when Din confesses to her cousins that
she likes Rose for real. All right, I love that scene.
It's a great scene. What was it went pretty
similarly. What was different in the novel
is that Nam's also there when this happens.
So in the series, it's just Phi and Lam.
And I think that really comes down to the waters filming
schedule. And like, Ingvo's busy.
Ingvo's always busy. So like, I think they just
couldn't get her, which is a shame because during that scene
in the novel, she says one of the fucking funniest lines in
the history of this book series. And like, it's a shame she
wasn't there, but it's like not a huge deal because like a
friend's fucking funny. And like, so they they did it
very similarly, but like Nam was missing and I was like, damn,
man, I'm not going to get my favorite line because she's not
here, but not a huge deal, but still very, very funny.
So I love them giving, giving den.
I love when den's like do not approve, like no den.
We can all see it from space. Girl, you're the only one that
didn't know. We knew that that fake wedding
wasn't a fake one. Exactly.
Amazing. Such an amazing show.
It was an amazing, amazing show. And one thing I like about the
story that it comes from the novel, but like, they did it in
the series too. It was like, I think Salman did
a good job of like advertising the next book in the book.
And so I like at the end with the wedding where like Nam gets
the bouquet. First of all, Nam being herself
who's like on a work call, not paying attention to Jim's
wedding. And then, like, mom's like and
like throws the bouquet at her and like, it's a great.
It's a great. And they do the thing where they
linger on Nam and she's looking at the flowers being like, so
they salmon did a good job of just being like next time on the
four. Oh, it's it's not like I like
the way she kind of like sets up her next novel, like very
sneakily. It's good advertising.
And I'm glad the show did that too because it makes people
curious to be like, what is her story going to be like?
She looks like a disaster. You're right.
Yeah, it does, doesn't it? It sure does.
Oh my gosh, it's so good. So good.
That's a really great show. I think it's very rewatchable.
It's very sweet. And like you said, it's not.
We don't get more seasons, but we do continue the story with
the next cousin and we'll get guest appearances from
characters we already know and love.
And I think that's probably the best thing about this, and
that's probably the best thing about the book series because
you keep like doing the Ciao Flanoy novels and you'd have
like, oh, there's big Nog again. Like just showing up the other
stories, which is fun because you already know the character.
And that's my favorite part of having multiple series in a
television show. That's my favorite part about
having book trilogy's. You already know the characters,
you're invested and get to see them again.
So I like that. I'm hoping this model sticks
where we can get more things where there's interconnectivity
and like you get the same. Actors too, yeah.
That's the big thing. Like my favorite part about this
especially is that we get the same actor playing the
character, whereas before it was like different actors playing
same characters, which was fine, but because like, that's that's
fine. It's believable still, but I
really enjoy getting to know the character and the person playing
the character in their mannerisms and just following
that and just having these like little crossovers with each
series. Even though it's like a set,
like a standalone story itself, just having that personality
come in and out is. Just it's better continuity is
the thing. Yeah.
And thank you, North Star for doing this, honestly, because
Idol Factory fucked you up and you're killing it.
It's it's going well so far. All right, I think that's all we
got for why we love the four, not the four elevens, why we
love the earth specifically. So before we jump into our
listener comments, big gay energy awards.
So what gets your big gay energy award for the Earth?
I'm going to give it a big gay chaotic energy award because I'm
going to give it to Din fainting after the kiss at the.
Wedding amazing. Yeah, that was great.
Din is an idiot. He loved Din, so that was great.
I'm going to give my Big Gay Energy award to Din and Rose for
separate reasons. So first we'll start with Rose.
So drunk Rose topping Din and then using Din's words against
her where she says if anything happens, let's just say it's
because I'm drunk. Like that was big gay energy.
She used the words right back at her, which is great.
And for Din, it's girlfriend Din literally stealing watermelon
from Rose's mouth when she was kissing her.
That was that had a lot of big gay energy that seemed right.
That like, where did you learn how to do that?
That was amazing. Seriously.
Where did you learn?
That. That is a great question.
I didn't know how to do damn big energy lesbian.
Jesus was speaking to Earth, that's all.
There's a lot of resolution. Mom was like, here's some tips
for the future. Oh my God, yeah, either give, I
mean, lesbian Jesus basically long.
So yeah, backtracks. What Taylor Swift song do you
have for the Earth? All right, I picked safe and
sound for this show. All right, and because be OK.
So I picked that song because of Din always protecting Rose and
like, yes, Rose is capable, but she always wants to be like,
don't worry, like I'm here, I will protect you.
That's true. Like especially in the song,
it's like just close your eyes. The sun is going down.
You'll be all right. No one can hurt you.
Now come morning light you and all be safe and sound.
So like, what if they're together?
They're safe. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, and then like there's literally a war going on outside
and. Yeah, there's so much,
unfortunately, that turns. All right, that's a good one.
I'm gonna give it to today was a fairy tale because I think that
encapsulates their twenty year history, especially the lions.
You or the Prince, Den? I used to be the damsel in
distress. So that's baby Rose, baby Den.
Nothing made sense till the time I saw your face.
Today was a fairy tale. That's kind of like coming back
into the present and then time slows down whenever you're
around. I feel like that's did and rose
a lot of the time where like they're they're kind of like
they get hyper focused on each other and like the rest of the
world drowns out. That's very dim and Rose.
That's why the cousins can always sneak up on them.
Feel like you guys are idiots. That's and that's how their
relationship progressed within two months because time slowed
down whenever they're together. Exactly.
So I think that's very much, it's very like peak romance song
and that's definitely their story.
It's very peak romance. Yeah, that's a great one too.
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into listener comments. All right, let's start with
Patreon. So first up we have Rayna W who
writes this show really surprised me.
Apple and men really knocked it out of the park.
I love seeing their chemistry grow with each episode.
I love how the show slowly built their relationship.
Also how they weaved in the cousins.
I love how the show show showcases the love of family,
especially when it's all queer women.
It's so rare to see. That's so true.
They are all really gay and it's lovely.
I love that all the cousins are queer.
All of them are super gay. All of them.
All right, next comments from
Cassie M. And they said it's an all around
well made girl love with locations that have not been
filmed to death already and under fuses direction.
Both newcomers like Mim and veteran shine, especially the
cousins which we'll also see and the other elements bring chaotic
fun to the series. Din is the gold stander of a
useless lesbian and Rose was actually cheeky and liked to
tease Din a lot. As I like the water and the air
the novels even more. I'm looking forward to those
series as well. My favorite character is MO
Dang, the ultimate shipper which Lam and Phi with Lam and Phi
closely behind her. It's still early in the year,
but the earth is currently my #1 Thai girl of of 2020.
Six, Yeah, It's fair to say that's a good choice.
That's a good choice. I will say my gold standard for
useless lesbian is Anksa. Still, I think Anksa is more
useless than this. At least capable.
She shows up with a weapon to defend.
Yeah, defend Rose. I don't think Anksa's doing
Anksa. Would probably end up getting
human trafficked honestly I think.
Anksa would have got. She would.
She would have answered the the ad for the job right?
Totally unaware of anything she would.
Have I've gotten in there? I'm like, fuck.
Or she'd like go to save Rose and crash the car by accident.
Like I think is worse. But you know, I loved it.
Dan's definitely up there. She's pretty useful.
She would have hit Wasu's car, yeah.
Like oh shit, crazy. I love on so on so you little
legend out there. See that that show 23 point. 5
has stood the test of time. That's all I'm saying.
That means it's a good show. All right, Next up we have Zori
M who writes about why they love the earth.
It had everything, action, romance and comedy.
Yes, I like that the villains actually got their comeuppance.
And the subtle symbolisms in the show.
For example, when Rose's father says that a rose will protect
themselves when they sense danger.
And then in later episode, Cow was picking up a rose and it
pricked her suddenly telling us that she is the mole.
Oh damn, that was good. Damn.
Good catch Zori. Damn, shit.
Damn. Huh.
That's really good. Great job.
Sorry. Good job Patreon, way to be
better at the summer you are good job.
All right next to comment is from K Yoshi and they said I
loved everything about it. Solid plot, terrific acting,
plenty of drama, a little too much at times but still pretty
good. They chaos cousins and most of
all Din's character. The interaction between all the
characters was great and it's beautifully shot.
Just enjoy to watch. I'll miss it.
It was beautiful. It was a beautiful show, period.
That, that was a good point. Beautiful.
All right, then we got Amix, Monzone, under score multi who
writes because we love characters with actual survival
instincts. That's so true.
They do have survival instincts, yes.
I love Rose's fierce personality, especially in
contrast with dork that is Dan. Yeah, it does make him a fun
couple. Amex.
That's a really good point. And then Amex continues.
Plus dot, dot, dot the chaos cousins.
Yeah. Who do you not love them.
Also, we love a supportive father.
Yeah, we. All of those are facts.
You're just saying. All right, next is from white
cat 112, who says because we got the Phi yelling P dim meme.
Yeah, actually, honestly, the show is very memeable and don't
dive in iconic behavior. Thank you, white cat.
Next up, we have Q432. Great.
Salman has created a great story facts and the show adopted it
beautifully. Production team did a great job
in scouting locations. That leads us to into newer side
of Thailand landscape. Yeah, we got to see the North,
which was nice. Although Apple and Mim were last
to join the Four Elements project and had the least prep
time as the Earth was first in line.
That's a really good point. They had the yeah prep time.
That's damn. They both did a phenomenal job
in portraying Din and Rose. Their chemistry was slowly built
up each episode. You root for these two to get
together just like Modang. We are.
We are all Modang in the audience.
Sin emerges as a standout lead, blending quiet strength,
emotional depth, and subtle romance.
Rose's rational logic and fierce.
They bring out the best in each other.
Modang is the ultimate shipper. After Bach, Modang is my next
favorite like side character. Yeah that's valid.
Last but not least, the chaos cousins.
They are the cutest and pure chaos.
I can never forget Phi's peeden. It's it's iconic.
The villains in the story made sense.
Yeah. Can we add that they weren't
character picture villains. They were actually villains with
a unfortunately logical, like motivation.
Yeah, yeah. Overall, it was fun to watch.
And I can't wait for the next loser cousin.
Not yet, Not not as not as up there as a loser.
Big energy. Oh, the big energy word for them
is MO Dang teaching Rose the 3A's.
That was fucking hilarious. MO Dang's dating advice was Oh
my God, yes, thank you Q432. That gets a lot of big energy
and they're Taylor Swift songs for the Earther.
You are in love. Paper rings of lover.
All of us. All of us also.
I love that you play along with our stuff.
The Lover album is basically Lover, yeah.
All right, next is from BJR who says I really like one behind
the scenes story. Even I could tell that Mim was
struggling as an actor in some scenes during the early
episodes. I could not by the way.
She had virtually no acting experience and was thrown into a
major production as a Co lead. At first the team around her
made it work, but by the end, with everyone's help, she is a
solid actor. Apple knew what she was doing,
choosing her. Also internally to the story,
the villains were all about revenge.
They were willing to kidnap and kill to to get even with
perceived slights. The main heroes especially
didn't just forgive. The heroes generally blame
themselves instead of others. No redemption arcs are needed
for cow etcetera. Even though some occur.
That is a moral statement that many viewers, slasher viewers
don't appear to understand or accept.
I even have trouble with it, but it is powerful.
From various sources, I get a feeling that that some people
skipped the Earth because it didn't have an established
acting pairing. That was certainly a mistake.
Yes, I you can't, you cannot save that enough.
Like I don't understand that mentality and I know.
Yeah, especially if you're planning on watching any of the
four elements like you watch all of it.
That just makes sense. That makes no sense.
But yeah, that's why I think there was like, not a lot of
activity until mom shows up, until the big names show up,
then suddenly everyone's watching it.
Yeah. But like, how do these big names
become big names? That's what I'm saying.
You watch the shows, right? Did you not watch Gap because
you didn't know who freed Becky was?
Like that's so weird I. Feel like everyone started
watching gap when they kept getting like us.
Like watch gap. Watch gap, Watch gap.
No, no, I'm kidding. Right, but that's like as if
everybody had that mentality again, free and Becky wouldn't
be free and Becky because nobody would have watched gap because
they're like who are these people anyway?
That's that's wild. People are dumb.
If you're if you are watching this for some reason because you
didn't watch it because like, I don't get that.
But I'm glad people gave it a chance eventually because like
it's the show is good. The show is really good.
The show is more than just the actors.
All right, thank you, Patreon. Now we'll move over to Twitter
to see what's going on over there.
And 1st, we're going to start with the incredible novel
written by Crimson Lotus, AKA I assume Crimson Studios from
YouTube. I realized too late that I never
posted this on on YouTube. Oh no, I apologize everyone, I
thought. Glad you found it.
Yeah, thanks for commenting on Twitter, which I is more
annoying when you're trying to like give a giant comment, so I
apologize. OK, so why does Crimson love the
Earth? The cousins, that is.
The correct answer may continue. Salmon is back at it again with
a fantastic adaptation of one of their novels after Queendom.
And as expected, the Earth was as funny as Queendom quote the
novel. But what I didn't expect was
human trafficking. You're not alone.
Then again, I didn't know anything else about the plot
other than the fact that the four novels were about four
cousins. And here's the thing.
When I first heard this, I thought the cousins being
cousins was just going to be a background lore detail,
parentheses. I would have liked that, but
it's usually how it doesn't media.
Yeah, exactly. I also agree.
I thought they were just going to be like they're related and
then you kind of just like move on.
Crimson continues. Never expected fun, funny,
well-rounded group of siblings that got one another to back.
Like honestly half the stuff that happened couldn't have
happened if it wasn't for long. She truly was the MVP of this
whole thing. Fi is still my favorite though.
Girl same. Fi I think is my favorite of all
of them but I know the least about her.
But I think Fi might be my favorite too.
Something I noticed about salmon, they seem to like using
foils, like how Ray is a perfect foil for print in Queendom for
example, to the point they even transferred to the series that
didn't have much in common with the original novel.
And I'm still currently reading the water.
And Lada is also a clear foil for Oppo AKA Nom in the Earth.
It's Rose and Din, but it's actually Din in Wasu and you can
notice it best in the 1st 2 episodes like Caleb pointed out
and how both of them treat Rose. People make fun of how
respectful Din is but I personally think it's the point.
And I am with you, Crimson. Din respects Rose, her
boundaries, and her choices, no matter what they are, and even
if they aren't in Din's favor parentheses.
She would get along well with Kieran.
Oh my God, my adorable love of my life, Kieran from Oh my God,
they would be. Do so well together too.
They would be chaotic fools, but oh, seeing those two together
would be fun. Kieran is also up there with
useless lesbians. Kieran is pretty fucking
useless. I love that idiot with
everything. All right, sorry, Crimson.
It continues. While while Sue wants to dictate
what Rose thinks and do and see Rose as an object.
It's almost like you're saying, Crimson, that it's like feminine
energy versus masculine energy. Like he feels like he gets to
control the women and then it's like she's a person.
Just saying Crimson continues and Queen and print having what
Ray lacked help Ray grow to a better version of Ray.
While here Salmon use the same writing technique to tell you.
You see how awful this dude is. My dad is nothing like him,
which helps the viewer. Root.
For Den back to the water, I feel like Sean Liddell will be
more like Ray. I don't know, I haven't
continued yet. My guess is that as good as
yours shrug emoji. Sorry for bringing up Salmon's
works. I just think it's interesting to
compare and contrast with other works and maybe getting a few
people interested in reading Queen of.
I'm one of those people. I plan on reading the Queen of
Novel. Honestly, I'm a huge,
personally, I'm a huge fan of this writer, especially having
read this one. Also because yeah, I like the
way I think she puts a lot of effort into characterizing her
characters and purposefully setting them up for comparison,
like you said, and then setting up this like yin and Yang
situation that Crimson's pointing out between like the
main couple. So it's not just like they
locked eyes and they fell in love.
It's more like there's something in you that I'm missing and like
together we find balance. And it's definitely true in the
water. I finished the water, but it's
like it's in a more subtle way because I feel like in the
water, not to spoil anything, the Lata and Nam have a lot more
in common than they do differences.
Like I feel like Din and Rose are a little more different and
so it's more obvious the way they balance each other.
But anyway, continuing with Crimson Crimson Lotus, the story
itself is very tightly crafted, but I truly, but truly the
characters in the main event here.
Yes, like theorists said before, Salmon seems to be very good
with characters. I didn't read that.
Yes, thank you. I said it again, Even minor
characters, you could easily know what they are all about.
But yeah, overall, fantastic story, fantastic characters,
fantastic romance and the most notable, fantastic acting,
especially Mim as Rose. Apparently it's her first acting
role ever, too. Also, yeah, Rose, a lot of
people already noticed that when the show was airing and it was a
surprise for everyone. And a lesser story, a character
like Rose in such a setting, she would have been the damsel in
distress and didn't have to save her.
But she wasn't that at all. And that's why that's why I love
the story so much. I think Salmon does a good job
of, like, subverting your expectations.
She's like, yeah, here's the trope you would expect her to
fall into, and she's not going to fall into that because she's
a modern woman. She's Gen.
Z bitch. I like Santa does that a lot
where she's like, yeah, here's the trope, fuck that trope.
It's really funny. I like when she does that.
That's funny all right. Nice comments from All about
Girl Love and they say the cousins.
Perfect cast and so much fun and made me want to discover each
series more. Din Rose.
They were cute, lovely, fun and even sexy.
Apple and Mim did a great job. Some scenes like the fire were
really well done. Yeah, the the fire.
I watched the behind the scenes of that one and that was pretty
interesting. Yeah.
That was interesting, although I'm like, didn't break the
fucking glass door. What the hell was she doing?
I know, right? How did she get out?
How did she finally get out? I want to see that.
Part jumped out a window. That was dumb as shit though.
Or Denzel's trying to like break the glass.
Pigeons glass anyway, production is probably like you were
absolutely not breaking those fucking glass apple or you dare
but like girl, break the glass pro tip.
Apparently the door was really easy to open, and she had
certainly pretend, Yeah, like, you could just open it really
easily. She's like I wish it was locked.
Yeah, and she did a good job trying to make that believable
anyway. All right, continuing on
Twitter, we have Wo under score and GK, who writes why they love
the Earth. I'd say the process of making
the show happen and the fact that we even got this after the
first cast fell apart, Men without acting background, but
doing her best. And here we are.
The best Rose. Yeah, she did great as Rose
Apple with 15 years experience in the industry supporting men
the best she could. Awesome producer, director, cast
and crew. And favorite moment is Rose
executing the 3A's. That was Rose being like let's
get in the water Den and I'm going to wear this white T-shirt
and get it buffet. That was so nerf like Den's like
oh God, boobs. Rose is hilarious.
He's like yeah, look, there it goes.
That was fucking crazy. That was funny.
That was just evil or Den. All right next is from Zebby who
says Peeden was such a green flag and the romance story was
well paced even though it was only 8 episodes it didn't feel
rushed. But my favorite part was the
relationship between the cousins.
They had such great chemistry and really felt like they were
related. The way they supported each
other but also teased and annoyed each other peak.
Sibling energy. Yep.
Oh absolutely love those morons. They're so funny.
OK, now let's shoot over to TikTok so we have S Desmond 1
Gen. X who writes they love the earth
Because there was no wasted storyline.
It wasn't rushed. Powerful natural body language.
You're seeing the ladies. Yeah, like amazingly, everything
was on point. Those are facts you're stating.
Except cows. Rushed arc, I would argue.
I would argue that was the one flaw.
Next is from Cam who says the way it was put together, the
storyline love that their kisses were real kisses.
I'm not sure what that means to be honest.
With you, I don't either. But I think that.
The That's why you loved it. I think the they they, they did
a good job acting out those scenes.
Yes they did. They made it feel realistic.
Good job, actors in that. In that regard, I think that's
where Apple being like a director comes into play,
especially with a new actor to be like, here's what it's going
to look like on the camera and here's what you need to do to
make it look believable because I'm a fucking director.
I had good shows personally. All right, last but not least,
we'll go to Instagram to wrap this up.
So we have under score dot Larissa dot under score who
writes. Loved it, but found the
trafficking story a bit intense personally.
And that's super valid, because that is fair.
It wasn't. It really was.
Yeah, it's not for everybody. All right next is from Call
under score me under score M's under score.
Honestly, I love the Earth. Not really just because of the
plot, but more because of the characters.
Din and Rose feel real to me. Like the relationship is not
just cute or romantic, it actually has weight and history
behind it. I like how Din is not perfect,
she's a huge dork. She's just trying her best while
turning a lot. And Rose is not weak either.
She makes her own choices even when it hurts.
Also the dynamic feels natural and not forced at all.
And the Oh no I don't know how to say this last name within a
wit within a wit Cousins and MO Dang adds so much to the story.
Without them it really wouldn't feel the same.
Can't wait for Noms to turn to be teased by her.
Cousins, yeah. God, I love nom again.
If you thought Den was a disaster, just just wait.
There's one moment in particular where it's like, wow, she's
worse than Den. It's so funny.
I literally when I was reading it, I think that was my note in
the book. I was like, she's worse than
Den. I can't wait.
All right, next we have Nora 11.08 dot 02 who writes.
Loved how well it blended the comic aspect with the comedy
aspect with the love story. All actors and actresses did a
great job, especially Kuna. Apple played dim.
Yeah, I give her an award for being dim because she was funny
as fuck. Give her an award for being
Apple. Yeah, give her an award for
fucking directing the last case, because that was so good.
It's so good. I love that show so.
Bad. Me too, I want her to keep
directing she's. So talented.
All right. Our last comment is from Sarah.
under score 63. under score 26. Amazing story.
Can't wait for the water. Yeah.
Can't wait for the water, can't wait to continue the four
elements stories because honestly, it just keeps getting
better and more chaotic and lovely and it gets to continue,
which is probably why I love the water so much, which is going to
continue, which is really nice. So thank you to everybody who
participated and shared why you love the the earth.
We will keep doing this for the water, the air and the fire.
So stick around. Let us, if we missed something,
if there's a scene you love, you know, we didn't encapsulate a
reason why you love the Earth. Please comment below this
episode. Just tell us why you love the
earth. And are you looking for the
water? You watching the water?
What you think so far? Tell us that also.
Yeah. Do you have a challenge for
them? I don't, I'm sorry.
That's the challenge, tell us why you love it.
Who's your favorite cousin? Who's your favorite wife?
Leave it all in the comments. Just leave it down below and
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