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Hello and welcome to Big Gay 
Energy. 

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I'm Caitlin. 
And I'm Fiora. 

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Come along with us while we dive
into the fun and nuances of 

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queer media. 
Representation matters. 

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And we're here to talk about it.
Cheers, queers. 

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Today on the big agenda, we are 
talking to the amazing Kat 

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Burrell. 
You may know Kat as Nicole Hot 

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and Wynonna Earp or as Kelly in 
the recent Hallmark movie The 

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Christmas Baby, which we are 
here to talk about today. 

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Welcome to the podcast. 
Kat, yay. 

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Thank you for having me. 
I have heard very good things 

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about being a guest on your 
podcast, so thank you for having

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me. 
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Really. 
That's amazing. 

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I'm so excited to talk to you 
today. 

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Oh, thank you. 
OK, so a big part of the 

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Christmas baby is, of course, 
the baby. 

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And throughout the film you've 
worked with a variety of child 

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actors across the spectrum of 
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What are like the most memorable
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Oh, I mean baby Lucas, who is 
our baby, was just he was the 

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like sweetest, easiest baby I 
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I also had was going through my 
daughter was 11 months old when 

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we shot this movie and she was 
not an easy baby. 

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So the contrast between her and 
him was very drastic. 

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He was so easy. 
It was like he would fall asleep

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on his mom and we'd put him in 
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seat and he would wake up in the
middle of a take and just be 

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chill about it. 
Just like, Oh yeah. 

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Looking around. 
We called the, the, he really 

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liked the boom, which is the 
microphone that we the, so we 

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would call it boom boom. 
Whenever he would get fussy, we 

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would tell him to look for boom 
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It was very cute. 
We ended up putting, I think 

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like little eyes on it and 
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It was very, very sweet. 
But yeah, I think just what I 

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loved most. 
I've worked with children before

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and there's this really 
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they turn 6-7, they get a little
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But before that, there's like no
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action and cut because they just
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And I really like that because 
it just forces you to be very, 

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very present because they're so 
unpredictable and they're never 

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going to do the same thing 
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And especially working with a 
baby, I think it just, I had a 

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really hard time because Kelly, 
my character, was sort of 

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hesitant to have a baby. 
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hard to not be very enthusiastic
when I was around baby Lucas 

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because he's so adorable and so 
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And it was actually really hard 
to pretend tend to be not 

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engaged with him. 
It was like this weird head mind

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game for me. 
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it. 
Kids and animals are so fun to 

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work with and also can be 
challenging because they're 

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inconsistent and unpredictable. 
But I think it keeps everybody 

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really present. 
And also having kids on set just

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kind of reminds you that like 
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all and end all. 
And we don't need to all take 

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ourselves so seriously all the 
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Yeah, I love that. 
Like kids and animals are like 

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the two things that people 
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work with. 
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They're so cute and amazing. 
They're so. 

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Cute. 
They're so amazing. 

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Yeah. 
And they're, you know, they kind

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of remind us that it's not so 
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We can all calm down a little 
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Yeah. 
How does it compare to like 

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working with just mostly adults?
It's just different. 

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It's just adults are they're 
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I mean, it's both great. 
It's just if it's very, you 

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know, when you work with kids, 
you don't know what you're going

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to get from take to take, which 
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And when you work with really 
good adult actors, you should 

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also not really know what you're
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because they would be surprising
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And I've definitely got to work 
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no idea what's coming down the 
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And that's really exciting. 
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just different. 
It's just unpredictable. 

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That's fair, yeah. 
What was it like to explore the 

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accidental baby acquisition 
trope through the perspective of

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a married sapphic woman? 
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liked the most about Christmas 
Baby was the fact that their 

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relationship, their pillars in 
their community, Kelly and Aaron

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are beloved by their community. 
They are literally, we see my 

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character Kelly receiving an 
award in front of like all the 

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arts organizations in the 
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They have supportive families 
that are very involved. 

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They have meddling mothers. 
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didn't have there was it was 
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were this married couple, this 
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couple. 
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this beloved couple that thought
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marriage. 
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kind of throwing them another 
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And they were given the 
opportunity to go back to 

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probably what was like a really 
big decision a few years prior 

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when they decided that they 
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they weren't going to pursue 
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And you know, to get to go back 
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biggest decisions, but in the 
context of marriage was just so 

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great. 
I was so happy to play. 

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It's also like really nice. 
The meat cutes are fun and 

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everybody loves a meat cute. 
And but it was really nice to 

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just get to play like a 
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established couple where the 
drama had absolutely nothing to 

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do with their marriage or their 
relationship, but it was all 

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about the craziness happening 
around them and watching them 

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like remain solid together 
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I just thought it was great. 
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I think that's that's why the 
movie meant so much to people is

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that especially queer families, 
like, we don't have a lot of 

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movies. 
We are getting better 

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representation about, you know, 
cute, meet cute in the beginning

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of cute queer relationships. 
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into their marriage is more 
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And that's why I was so excited 
when I read the script, because 

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I just thought, oh, this is 
awesome. 

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Yeah, it's finally not like a 
coming out story. 

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It's. 
Not a coming out story. 

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It's just about life and these 
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Yeah. 
What do you hope queer couples 

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see reflected in Kelly's story 
that they don't get often? 

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I think, I hope that they see a 
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so much. 
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normalizing queer identity and 
normalizing queer stories. 

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And I think that is that is what
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And I hope they see two people 
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community that have loving 
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healthy relationships with their
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with their family. 
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figures in the movie, I want 
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there is someone who's who's 
struggling with their queerness,

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I want them to see a beacon of 
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dream that looks like them. 
And I think that's so important 

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more than even more than the the
meet cute because like, what 

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happens after that? 
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What could life be like? 
It can be full of love and 

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happiness and acceptance and 
support and community 

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involvement. 
Like, you know, the meet cute is

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1 moment. 
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And I hope that that that this 
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into the minds of people who 
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I love that so much because 
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life and living everyday life. 
And it's so important because it

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it truly does not stop when you 
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Also like. 
Navigating relationships. 

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partner Theora and I always talk
about is how we also want to 

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see, like, representation in 
like, older people as well. 

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Because let's let's get Granny's
falling in love. 

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Totally. 
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I agree. 
That was totally random, but you

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Speaking of in the future, if if
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for like a sequel in 10 years in
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her life looks like? 
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I wonder, I wonder if they like 
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switch for Kelly and Aaron and 
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I could definitely see it going 
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But they're like, all right, 
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Let's do it. 
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Yeah, I think, I feel like they 
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because they went through such a
transformative journey and 

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realized that it was really for 
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And so I think once they make 
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like it's not going to stop. 
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have, I just see them having 
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maybe they have 3. 
So in 10 years, I think they 

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have three kids. 
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like, I don't know, some sort of
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She's not just doing 
installation, she's like running

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the place. 
Oh yeah, totally. 

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Yeah. 
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She's by hers too. 
Also, I just want to say you did

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such a great job in this film. 
Like your acting was phenomenal.

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Oh man, thank you. 
I really appreciate that. 

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Thank you. 
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Kelly's journey to parenthood 
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Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, a lot 
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I have two kids and I was a 
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wanted kids. 
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with somebody who really wanted 
kids that I was like on the 

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fence. 
I was like, if the person that I

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decide to spend my life with 
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Then I can do it. 
I I, I, I wanted enough to know,

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but I was also like, if I end up
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want kids, it's not a deal 
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Like I don't know if I really 
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I definitely like me, Catherine.
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without kids and what that would
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I could see it. 
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think transforms you so much. 
I'm reading this like great book

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right now. 
It's called Mater Sense, but it 

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actually talks about this sort 
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our society very much is just 
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you when you become a parent, 
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to the child, but also the 
partner partners who are raising

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that kid. 
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shifts who you are, who you 
thought you were, what you 

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wanted, what you thought you 
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And then I really identified 
with Kelly's, like I thought 

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this is what I wanted and now I 
just don't know anymore and I 

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don't even recognize myself. 
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It can be really scary to to not
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And also the fear the world is 
like kind of a dumpster fire and

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being a parent and thinking 
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in said dumpster fire is like 
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I wake up many mornings at 4:00 
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sweet spot 334 AMI just wake up 
and you have these really dark 

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thoughts and you, you know, and 
I, I, I remember reading that 

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beautiful monologue that Kelly 
had about just like, how do I 

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raise a child in a world I don't
even understand? 

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And she was talking about, you 
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queer families. 
And I don't want my kid to to 

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feel othered. 
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about what every parent 
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like, it can be really scary to 
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and have to nurture hope and 
determination and strength and 

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positivity when you are so 
scared and uncertain of what 

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their future looks like. 
And I really love that, 

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especially in like, you know, a 
romantic Hallmark Christmas 

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movie, that that script really 
made room for us to go there and

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have a conversation that so many
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about having kids, which is 
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into this world that I just 
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Yeah. 
So I identified with so many 

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things in the script. 
It was so pretty close to home 

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because I'm, I'm so in it right 
now. 

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I'm, you know, my kids are 
really little. 

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So. 
Yeah, felt, felt all the things,

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all the feelings. 
Yeah. 

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So it was like the perfect time 
for you to be in this. 

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Film. 
It was the perfect time. 

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It was the perfect time. 
Yeah, it really was. 

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And it was fun because my, my, 
my acting partner, Ali, she's 

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very good with kids and has 
since stayed at my home and my 

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kids adore her. 
But like didn't, doesn't, didn't

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have kids. 
And so it was fun to be able to 

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share that with her and like 
teach her a few little tricks 

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and things that I learned 
because I, I hadn't changed a 

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diaper before I had my son. 
Like I really wasn't a kid 

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person. 
I didn't know anything about 

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kids really. 
I remember the first diaper 

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change and now I don't know how 
many hundreds I've done, but 

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like, I remember the first one. 
I'm thinking, oh, OK, so this is

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how it works. 
OK. 

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You like, pull the little thing.
And it's just amazing, the 

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learning curve. 
And it was really fun to share 

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that with Ali and to, you know, 
get to the to feel like, oh, I 

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actually I know something now 
that I didn't know anything 

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about a few years ago. 
That was cool. 

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Yeah. 
That's awesome. 

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Yeah. 
Speaking of Ali, did you have 

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conversations with her about 
portraying a married sapphic 

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relationship in a way that feels
real? 

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Totally. 
We we talked about it a lot and 

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I think the most important thing
for us, we didn't have that much

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time together before we started 
shooting. 

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We only had a day and we 
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that we shot was like a really a
really hard. 

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It was the scene, this breakfast
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decided to send Nicholas back 
and Aaron Alley's character was 

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really heartbroken about it and 
kind of upset with Kelly. 

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And it was a rough scene to 
start on. 

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I guess you're first because 
you're like really like you're 

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trying to establish your 
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You're getting the cobwebs out 
for rolling for the first time 

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and like, however long it's been
since you've shot. 

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So. 
But yeah, I mean, we, we walked 

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around town. 
We had to take a bunch of 

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pictures for our prop, the props
around our House of like us 

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together. 
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each other at the time. 
And Ally has since become a very

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good friend of mine. 
We talked several times a week, 

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like, like one of my closest 
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And we talked, I mean, we didn't
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a sapphic couple or like that. 
What wasn't like, how are we 

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going to do this differently? 
Because like it was just kind of

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like, OK, what's unique to them?
What's their relationship 

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history? 
How did they get here? 

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How long did they date? 
What was that like, you know, do

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they like living in this small 
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Did they want to live in the 
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How do they feel about each 
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It wasn't conversations, you 
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took care of that for us because
it, the script wasn't about them

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being a queer couple. 
So the conversations we had were

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were not about that. 
They were just about, you know, 

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conversations you would have no 
matter who you're partnered with

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in a movie. 
But like, OK, who are these two 

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people and what's their story? 
Yeah. 

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And I think, you know, we, we 
did the best we could about 

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talking, filling in the gaps 
because I think one of the most 

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interesting things about that 
script for me was that it wasn't

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my character who didn't want the
kids. 

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It was Ali's character who 
didn't want the kids and that 

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because I think it would have 
been really easy for it to have 

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been Aaron, who like has been no
from the beginning, but Aaron 

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was or sorry, Kelly, my 
character, Kelly was the one who

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wanted kids. 
Ali's character, Aaron did not 

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want kids. 
She was the one who said no. 

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And Kelly kind of dropped it and
then got used to the idea and 

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now has to do this whole like 
reimagining. 

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It's like, I know with with like
once you get used to an idea and

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the way you see your future, it 
can be really hard to to 

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reimagine it a completely 
different way. 

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Of course. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, I can't imagine this 
ever happening. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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I know, right. 
Yeah. 

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And I liked that they were 
chosen to. 

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It wasn't a random, you know, it
was, it was Sydney's character 

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who was the barista at the cafe 
who watched them come in for 

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their what their ritual weekend 
coffee and, you know, just saw 

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how great they were and picked 
them. 

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It wasn't they just found a baby
and it could have been anyone 

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who found the baby. 
It was the baby she wanted them.

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The the the biological mom 
wanted necklace to be with them.

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Yeah, yeah, I do have to say the
social worker, Yeah, OK, I 

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didn't wasn't sure if that was 
like the same job title, but 

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like the social worker was very 
patient with coming back and 

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forth bringing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, that's the other thing, 
you know, that we haven't been 

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able to talk about yet is like, 
this is a story about a baby 

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coming to, you know, in into a 
sapphic marriage, but it's also 

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a story about adoption, which we
don't get to see very much. 

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There's very little Christmas 
Hallmark Christmas movies about 

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happy adoptions, right? 
And I, I actually have heard a 

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lot of feedback from adoptive 
families who are like, we never 

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get to see our family on TV. 
You know, we never get to see 

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families who we obviously had to
drastically condense the 

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adoption process 'cause it's a 
movie and it has to happen in 90

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minutes and it has to happen 
over Christmas. 

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And like there are obviously 
these sort of practical things 

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that we need to consider when 
making a movie, but like the 

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adoption process and the 
importance of that actor who 

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plays the social worker. 
Her name is Barbara Niven. 

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She's an incredible, amazing, 
like Hallmark legendary actress.

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And she I think just brought so 
much, like you said, like 

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patience. 
But to do that job. 

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I mean, they're, so I'm so 
grateful that there are people 

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in the world who can do those 
jobs because it's such a so 

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hard. 
And I think Barbara really 

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portrayed that beautifully. 
Like that, like, like that quiet

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strength. 
And she has to be there for the 

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mother and there for the 
adoptive parents and there for 

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the baby. 
And it's like, how do you sort 

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of balance everyone's needs and 
everyone's emotion and try to 

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find like, what is the right 
thing? 

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Because it's also, it's also 
kind of up to her to assess the 

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situation and figure out is this
really the right thing for this,

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for this baby? 
And I thought it was really 

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amazing to be able to tell, like
we told some some big stories 

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all in a really beautiful, 
lovely, warm package. 

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But I think that's what's so 
awesome about this movie is 

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because of its package, because 
it was a Hallmark Christmas 

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movie, we got some really 
important storytelling into a 

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lot of homes across the country.
And I think that's what's really

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powerful about that medium in 
particular and those movies is 

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that they get those stories into
the homes and hearts of people 

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who maybe wouldn't see those 
stories otherwise. 

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And like, that's what really 
makes the change. 

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That is a great point. 
Yeah. 

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I yeah, that very true. 
So going back to your character,

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what do you want viewers to 
understand about Kelly as a 

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person outside of becoming a 
parent? 

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That's a great question, that 
she's really loves what she does

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and it's a really big part of 
her identity and that that can 

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be enough. 
I think there can be a lot of 

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like judgement, especially for 
for women, I think judgement on 

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whether you're a mom or not, 
whether you want to have kids or

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not. 
And I have so much respect and 

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love for the people in my life 
who are like, don't want to be a

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parent. 
I know I don't want to be a 

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parent. 
I love what I do. 

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I've had, you know, had a 
meeting with a producer the 

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other week who's like, I don't 
want to have kids. 

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My movies are my kids. 
I was like, that's, that's 

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awesome. 
Like I have so much respect. 

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And I think this weird thing, I 
mean, I naturally, because I'm a

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parent, I have like, I, I have 
an account where I follow like a

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bunch of parenting stuff online.
And I think there's this like 

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can be such so much judgement on
whether or not people like, do 

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you want to or don't want to 
have kids? 

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And I think you can have just as
fulfilling and wonderful a life 

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whether you do or you don't. 
I don't think it's like a life 

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requirement. 
And I think if you don't want to

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have kids, and you know that, 
and that's great because there's

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a lot of people out there who 
have kids who really shouldn't. 

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And I just have like nothing but
respect for people who make that

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decision because I know that 
society can kind of pressure 

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pressure you into things that 
deep down you're like, this is 

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not for me. 
So maybe that's a really long 

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way of saying it was nice to see
somebody who was totally 

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confident and OK with not having
kids and getting like so much 

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validation and fulfillment from 
their life as it was. 

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Yeah, I love that because we do 
need that representation as 

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well. 
And although she does become a 

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parent, it doesn't erase the 
fact that she was truly 

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comfortable without having kids.
Yeah, she wasn't missing 

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anything. 
Yeah. 

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Which is I think sometimes the 
way we can be made to feel if if

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you don't want to have kids. 
Totally. 

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Yeah. 
If you could add one extra scene

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to Deep in Kelly's arc, what 
would you want to see? 

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Another great question. 
I mean, I had a lot of really 

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good ones. 
I'm like trying to think maybe 

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more with my mom, but we had a 
great one at the bar, maybe a 

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little bit more. 
I think 11 beat that we were 

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missing was I think the 
transition a little bit more of 

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the struggle of trying to make 
it work and it wasn't. 

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I think we went really quickly 
from OK, we have this baby. 

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It's great too. 
Oh my God, it's horrible. 

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It would have been nice to see 
just a little bit more. 

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I actually think we shot it and 
we cut it. 

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There was a scene where we took 
him to a mommy and me that 

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unfortunately, I think they had 
to cut for time. 

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Where you see them, like with, I
know, I don't know, it was a 

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really cute scene, but there was
like, you know, with a bunch of 

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parents and we're all playing 
with the babies. 

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And it was really sweet. 
And I mostly just feel bad for 

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all the, like, parents and kids 
we had that day who were 

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probably really excited to see 
that scene in the movie. 

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And then it gets cut. 
That just really sucks. 

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But yeah, I would have been nice
to see before it was like, this 

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is not working. 
It would have been nice to see. 

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Well, we're trying, but it's 
like kind of not working. 

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I just think we don't have time.
Yeah, yeah, we just. 

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We needed a 2 hour movie. 
Two and a two hour, 2 1/2. 

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Is there anything that somebody 
hasn't asked you about that 

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you've just been like wanting to
talk about? 

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Honestly, no. 
I feel like I've had such great 

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conversations about this movie 
that have run the gamut of 

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talking about, you know, I 
really want to talk about the 

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adoption story and seeing an 
adoption story play out in a 

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Christmas movie was like, I 
don't know if anyone's ever done

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that. 
So that was pretty great. 

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No, I feel like I I want to say 
something but like I can't think

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of anything. 
That's fair. 

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So like, this is not your first 
queer role. 

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How have you seen queer 
representation in the media 

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evolve over the years? 
And like, what do you hope for 

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the future? 
Yeah, I mean, my goodness, I've 

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been giving had the privilege to
play queer characters for a 

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decade now. 
I think Wynonna Earp, we shot it

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10 years ago. 
It's the 10 year anniversary 

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this year. 
I know it's crazy. 

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I've been so lucky to play. 
I played a a queer character on 

453
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760
Good Witch as well, which is the
Hallmark show. 

454
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:26,400
And I, I mean, even though 
everybody loves a meet cute, I 

455
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,240
want more. 
And I just got back from the 

456
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,840
GLAD Awards. 
So it was just at the GLAD 

457
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Awards last week, you know, and 
I got to be in a beautiful room 

458
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,840
full of incredible queer people 
and just, you know, listen to 

459
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,840
the rally cries for better 
representation, more 

460
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,960
representation, because there's 
still just so much awful shit 

461
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,960
going on in the world. 
And you know, you think we make 

462
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,440
progress and then you think, how
can this still be happening? 

463
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,360
How can we be having bills being
passed that like do validate a 

464
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:09,440
person's existence? 
Like it it just like, so to 

465
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:16,320
answer your question, what I 
hope for the future, I'm going 

466
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800
to kind of tackle it from a 
different what I hope because 

467
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960
I'm always go back to like what 
can I do? 

468
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,960
What can I do to help like like 
you can feel so powerless, 

469
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,680
especially because I'm a 
Canadian. 

470
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,240
So I'm, I don't vote in America.
I don't, you know, what can I do

471
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,880
to like bring about positive 
change? 

472
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,040
And what I think I can do is 
continue trying to get stories 

473
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,560
told in unconventional places, 
maybe like the Hallmark Channel 

474
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320
that, you know, has 
traditionally not had as much 

475
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,000
queer representation and is now 
working so hard to improve that.

476
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,560
And I think is doing a really 
amazing job. 

477
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,600
And I think what I love about 
doing queer stories, especially 

478
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:11,320
on this network, is that this 
network is a like all American 

479
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,800
foundational for many families. 
It's kind of like a gather 

480
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,640
around the TV. 
We don't have a lot of that 

481
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,680
anymore. 
We're watching a lot of things 

482
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,800
in isolation. 
You know, it's gone are the days

483
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,280
where you had one TV in the 
house. 

484
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
But this network, Hallmark 
Network, does something really 

485
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,600
special where it's kind of 
continues to break that mold. 

486
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,360
A lot of people watch these 
shows with their families and I 

487
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,000
think we have an opportunity on 
the Hallmark network to like we 

488
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,240
kind of were speaking about 
before, get queer, positive, 

489
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,000
beautiful, happy, feel good 
queer stories into the homes of 

490
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,400
people who may not watch core 
stories on other networks. 

491
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:59,960
And I think as simple as that 
might be and as fluffy or light 

492
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,080
as you know it, the stereotype 
of what the content may be, I 

493
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,040
actually think it's making a 
huge change because you can't 

494
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,800
fear and hate something that you
love or made you laugh or made 

495
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,600
you feel seen. 
And I think in that small way, 

496
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,040
if I can continue to be a part 
of and support and champion 

497
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,400
these stories, that's going to 
make a difference. 

498
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
I hope I set that with some 
clarity. 

499
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,720
But I, yeah, OK. 
I was circling it. 

500
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,040
I'm circling it. 
It's coming back around. 

501
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,240
But that's what I really hope. 
And that's what I felt being at 

502
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,800
the GLAAD Awards last week. 
There are amazing people telling

503
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,440
incredible queer stories on 
huge, you know, big platforms, 

504
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,440
but I think we also need to tell
them on the places where they 

505
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,600
might be least expected. 
Yeah, and don't always revolve 

506
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
around tragedy. 
And don't always revolve around 

507
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,840
tragedy. 
Everybody loves, my gosh. 

508
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
I mean, nobody loves the 
Hallmark Christmas movie more 

509
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,160
than more than the gays. 
Like, come on, it's the best 

510
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,720
everybody. 
You know, it's so funny. 

511
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,080
Like I talked to so many people 
who are like, oh, I love those 

512
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,760
movies. 
You know, I love those movies 

513
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,440
and, and everybody like across 
the, the spectrum of humanity, 

514
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,800
like, you know, my 
brother-in-law loves Hallmark 

515
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Christmas movies. 
And I just think there's 

516
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,960
something so special about them.
People love people want to watch

517
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,920
a story where they know they're 
going to feel good and feel 

518
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840
comfortable and feel like the 
world isn't a dumpster fire. 

519
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560
And that's what these movies do.
And that's why they're so 

520
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,000
important. 
And if we can make them a little

521
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,560
bit gay, then yay all the way. 
That's what I say. 

522
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Look at that rhyme. 
I'm like looking at my hat 

523
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,200
today, Good Lord. 
That was great. 

524
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Yeah. 
All right, I got two last 

525
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
questions for you and these are 
just like more fun ones. 

526
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,840
Amazing. 
If you could bring 1 Winona herb

527
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,720
element into Kelly's world, what
would it be? 

528
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,200
Winona. 
Herb Almond, Kelly's World. 

529
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:22,640
OK OK Oh my gosh, so many things
are flying through my head right

530
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,400
now. 
If I could bring 1 Winona herb 

531
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,320
element, could we go like 
western core? 

532
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Could we go Kelly and Aaron go 
to a dude ranch with their 

533
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,920
family like out in Montana or 
something. 

534
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Very herpy. 
They stay at a homestead. 

535
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Could we, could we bring the 
setting? 

536
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Could we bring them to the 
setting and see how they do? 

537
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,440
Like a big. 
A big family vacation out in in 

538
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,800
herb country In herb country. 
Yeah. 

539
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720
And then like it's on a farm and
then you have to like it's like 

540
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280
a take care of the farm. 
You get to stay there for free. 

541
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,960
So you totally then they have to
learn how to. 

542
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,800
Take care of. 
Them. 

543
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,560
That's the sequel. 
To this, It's writing itself 

544
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,440
right now. 
It's so good. 

545
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,120
They get plopped or like the 
Airbnb that they thought they 

546
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,040
signed up for ends up being this
farm and they have to care for 

547
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,400
all these animals. 
And it's. 

548
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,240
Yeah, that's fun. 
I like that. 

549
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,200
Let's go with that. 
I love that. 

550
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,360
Sounds amazing, Sounds 
hilarious. 

551
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:28,760
It does. 
It does. 

552
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000
That would be fun. 
All right, so this is the most 

553
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,920
serious question I'm going to 
ask the of this entire 

554
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,320
interview. 
I'm ready. 

555
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,320
What advice would you give 
someone who finds a baby in 

556
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
their workplace with a 
mysterious note addressed to 

557
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,000
them? 
I think if it's addressed to 

558
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,400
you, you have to take the baby. 
What advice would I give you? 

559
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,960
I would say I don't know. 
What advice would I give you 

560
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,920
practically? 
I don't know. 

561
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Stop at the drugstore on the way
home. 

562
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,840
You're going to need more 
diapers than you think. 

563
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,760
That no, that seems hilarious. 
Like, no, we have 24 diapers, 

564
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,880
No. 
No, we've got 20. 

565
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760
We're fine. 
Moms were like, OK, yeah. 

566
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,480
The moms were hilarious. 
I love that they got along too. 

567
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,440
I know it wasn't that nice. 
Yeah, I really. 

568
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Oh, it was. 
So nice. 

569
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Yeah, it was really nice. 
Yeah. 

570
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920
Yeah, they were great. 
Well, thank you so much for 

571
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,920
giving your time. 
To us today. 

572
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Sorry for the hiccup. 
Oh, no problems. 

573
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,800
It's been such a joy getting to 
talk to you about this movie and

574
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,200
just to you in general. 
Thank you to everyone listening.

575
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,480
Make sure you check out the 
Christmas Baby on Hallmark. 

576
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560
It's I believe their platforms 
Hallmark Plus. 

577
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Hallmark Plus yeah, you can 
watch. 

578
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280
You can still change on the 
network, you can still stream 

579
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,760
it. 
It's great. 

580
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,720
It's a great movie and where can
people support you online and 

581
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,239
in? 
Future So I am at Cat Burrell on

582
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Instagram. 
That's basically what I use now.

583
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,440
But yeah. 
And if you like the Christmas 

584
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,920
baby and you like you want to 
see more stories like the 

585
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,480
Christmas baby, please do a post
about it and tag the network and

586
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,679
let them know because networks 
really do pay attention to stuff

587
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,960
like that. 
And the feedback is super 

588
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,760
important. 
So even if you have like a 

589
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,199
personal connection to it or 
touched you in a certain way, I 

590
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,960
would just say like, please 
share that. 

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,440
Please tag me and Allie, please 
tag Hallmark. 

592
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,679
We really want to know because 
that's what helps us, that 

593
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,159
feedback helps us get more 
things like this made so. 

594
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,199
Yeah, awesome. 
Yeah. 

595
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,400
We do have more power than we 
think. 

596
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Yes, yeah, 100% yeah. 
Social engagement is super 

597
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,040
important. 
So yeah, let us know what you 

598
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,080
like and what you want to see 
more of. 

599
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,320
Yeah, so let your voices be 
heard and until next time, 

600
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,280
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get it up all over the place. 

601
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Bye bye. 
And with that. 

602
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
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