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Well, welcome back, everyone, welcome back to coming out.
Okay? Thankfully distracted me now.
Um, anyway, so we have just talked about our personal coming
out stories, and it took a hell of a lot longer than I thought
it would. Now welcome to the section where
we actually talked about scenes from TV shows.
And talk about why they're important and we I will we will
put all the links to the episodes scenes that we talked
about in the description and notes.
I will get through this. I'd forget what else I was going
to say in the beginning. So let's just get into it.
Our first scene? Well, I first like category is
like kids get to see representation.
So I think of common theme for all of us is if we saw the
representation when we were younger maybe we could have
realized it quicker and not been like you know, so in our heads,
most of our life Agonizing. So the first part is, we're
talking about the courage to come out.
And the first thing I have is test from this is us, there is
one of Her and her uncle in a car and he's just telling her.
All you do is just tell random people, that's how you can get
used to saying it. So he takes her to the
drive-through and she has to say, tell the drive-thru worker
that she's gay and I just love this scene because like I
mentioned in my coming out story, I just kept telling
people And I'm like, this is, this is, the way I'll get used
to it. Like, I don't just like, I know,
I don't have to tell you but I'm gay and they're like, okay, no
one knows what to say. I love the realism of the
drive-thru worker and yeah, cool.
Did you want fry? It's like can we move along this
line? Yeah, I also love that.
It's like a clown. Like he's like a clown.
She's not talking directly to a person's face.
It's like to an object and there's a person behind it.
So it's like that extra like anxious layer of safety.
Yes, it thank you. Thank you.
Yeah, exactly.
Versus like the next person she could tell straight to their
face. Like it was like incremental
like to get to it. Yeah there.
So it was a really cute way to deal with that problem.
So kudos to whoever wrote that And the relief on her face
though? I know.
It's like you could just feel it.
Yeah, and like, it's also what's nice in this scene 2 is, it's
just a supportive family member, which not everybody gets, and
it's just to have that, that by itself is so huge, and then to
have them help you in this way, that's actually helpful versus,
like, lecturing you about stuff. Like, you know, was this was so
this is a very unique seen. I've never seen anything quite
like this and it's very, very adorable and Full and just
supportive all around. So, yeah, this whole show is
pretty powerful. I feel like that's what I've
heard. Yeah, it's a lot, but the next
scene really shows that. Yeah.
Oh my God, her family in general, super eat from these
two scenes. I've never seen the show.
Yeah, I'm wrong. Its final.
It's the they have a they have an interesting family who I'm
sure. Yeah.
But they're always there for each other at the end of the day
because this is us Those are really stupid.
I mean Great Is My Level joke. So I give you a point Kailyn and
Bri are merging is what? Yeah.
So again, I It's not I forgot the word I related related to
her because she was, literally, like, crying telling them.
What is it like seeing? What is that scene?
It's okay. The next scene is the same
character and she's trying to tell her parents because she's
been acting weird. And I guess I don't know what
happens. I didn't see this part of the
show. And I guess she was like, acting
out or something and they couldn't understand why.
And so, she's just crying like trying to explain why she's been
so different lately and that she's scared of her parents and
they're not really, they're not scary people because like
they've pretty much always been supportive of her.
But when you're going through this, you like, this could be
something, totally different. You never know how anyone is
going to react. Unfortunately yeah so she
finally gets to tell them and then she's like I just want to
tell you I don't want to talk about it right now but yeah this
is what it's going on. And I love that.
They just let her go. You're like, okay, thank you for
joining our if you want to talk to this.
But yeah, I love that. The mom came around the counter
so that she could look her in the eye in the eye.
Be like look at me, you know we love you, look at your dad.
That was so cool. I love that part is really cute
and I love the way in the beginning, the way she's when
she's trying to get into it and she's explaining that like she
said, something about like stomach, aches and secrets.
And that is really what it feels like.
And it's it eats you up from the inside is like the point here,
which is so true and it's like something that really shouldn't
like it's stupid. We have to go through this, but
this is what it is and I love when she's again.
Like it's like the I think she did.
Like the incremental coming out thing where she's like, I don't
want boys that I am. So I was like, okay, I'm gay
like at the end. And then the dead immediately is
like, when she's like, I don't want boys.
He's like, you know, it's always been a dream of mine that you
wouldn't have a boyfriend and like, that is so ironic and then
relatable because I was like my dad's mentality to it's like,
no, no, no. I want women though and then
it's like, oh oh, but the parents come around really
quickly. And I like that.
They say this doesn't, this doesn't have to be a thing.
Like, she's like, I don't want this to be.
I don't really want to talk about it.
I don't want this to be a thing that like, this doesn't have to
be a thing. Like we love you.
Like, that's the right way to handle this.
Like, it was. So, again, supportive it, let
her be her own person. Instead of them trying to
Lecturer or like project their feelings onto her.
They're like, okay, we love you. Thanks for telling us like, this
doesn't need to be a thing unless you wanted to be like
this is yours. Not us.
Like thanks for telling us, we support you kind of thing.
Yeah, you got to give, you got to give people an especially
kids space to process. Oh absolutely.
And people forget that kids are people like independent people,
you know, like they have they need to process things
themselves and sometimes I just manifest differently because
like they're still growing and learning and so I love that they
gave her space to just exist. Like kids don't get that a lot.
They get their privacy invaded by their parents.
All the time feel like parents typically would have liked made
them made her sit down and be like yeah.
Let's talk about it. Yes.
What's going on? No, just just let her do it on
her own time. Yeah.
I think that's so important to people forget that especially
with kids. Yes, huzzah on to our next
scene. Our next scene is a Disney
Channel show, and this show is called and emac.
And people know it for multiple reasons, but the first time I
watched it, I instantly liked the show blew my mind because in
the first, in the pilot episode, there is a huge twist.
That I mean I didn't see coming. Everybody else can see it
coming, but we've already established that oblivious to
most things. So, but it's a topic that I
never thought Disney Channel would cover.
I recommend watching it. Anyway.
Cyrus is like the first. Character to come out on the
Disney Channel and the way he first does it is he takes his
best friend Buffy. He has two best friends, Andy
and Buffy, but he takes Buffy. Yes, that's who she was named
after they mention it. He takes her to a spot where
they always go after school to get, like, milkshakes and tater
tots and the music just kind of stops, like, there's no audio.
I there is, it's just natural sound of him.
Just sitting there and trying to tell her that he's gay.
And she's trying to guess what's wrong with him.
And he's like, so I'm jealous of Andy and Jonah.
No, because Andy and Jonah are a couple.
And off he goes, are you do you like Andy and he is like on the
verge of tears and he all he can do is shake his head.
No And then she understands that he's talking about Jonah and
that he has a crush on Jonah. And the first time I saw this
scene, I don't like just watching it and knowing that
it's on Disney Channel and that there is going to be kids
watching this who this could really help.
It just felt like it was such an impactful scene.
And I want to know what you guys thought of that one.
There is a couple others that are in this one video that we're
going to link down below. I thought it was a really big
deal for the freaking Disney Channel, which I mean, I grew up
in the time period before that was like, a really big thing.
Like by the time that Disney Channel kind of exploded I was
in college and so I never really watched it.
But going back and watching this it was like like, well, I mean,
damn, this is like a huge thing. Like, like you said, like, if
we'd had stuff like this, when we were younger, maybe it would
have clicked a little more, or we would have had an easier
time. So I'm really glad somebody gets
got to see this and hopefully, impacted the way it needed to,
for, for somebody, you know, resonated and help some kids
views. We got to remember that it's not
just about making life harder. For for kids growing up
struggling with their identity. It's also like life-threatening.
So There's just a scenes not going to make a child gay just
by watching it and that's what the the kind of Kickback from
family groups and whatnot about. Well, the Disney Channel
shouldn't be getting, you know, getting into this.
Like what is the what is media for but to help pale.
Well, they shouldn't show ND and Jonah getting together.
Exactly, right. It doubles.
The thing, the double standard is ridiculous but it was really
important. And I'm really glad it exists
and and I think that you can see the from the landscape of more.
I mean, it changes too quickly from when like the or and I were
growing up to this it wasn't that long until this happen.
So you see the impact of it and now we're in a kind of like a
one step forward. Two steps back, kind of
situation with the world. But we just keep going forward
and that's amazing. So yeah, it literally a relax.
Yeah, everything you guys just said I want to add to that.
I also like the normalization of the friend in this scenario to
because again if you're not queer and watching this then it
kinda is a template for like how do I react if this happens?
Like if a friend comes out to me, what do I do?
What's a good behavior to like emulate Right?
And so I love that the friend puts it.
Like he never says, I'm gay in this scene, he just is like,
trying to like be like, this is what's bothering me and the
friend Buffy puts it together before he even says it.
She's like, oh, that's what's happening?
And like once she's like, I get what's happening here.
He looks relieved, he's like, okay, thank God.
You understand what's happening like?
So it's very, it's like, how to be a supportive friend, kind of
yet template to. And I think that is really
important. Horton.
Like not just the coming out piece but like the support of
friendship that there, it's like, this is how we support
each other like and yeah, that seems to be a theme with like
Jen's ijen Alpha in general. So like for them to have that
like yeah, like just be empathetic be a good person.
It when your friend is struggling, no matter what it
is. Like, that's the message here
really like, and I think that peace is important do and they
reiterate that over a couple different scenes.
Yeah. Like when he Comes out to each
friend individually. So he comes out to and like not
like actually coming out is always he only actually comes
out to Jonah, right, everybody else.
It's just I like Jonah, right? So he tells Andy when she's
having issues with Jonah. And I just the whole scene
plays, but I just live at the end where they just go.
Finally, someone who gets it. He's so frustrating.
I know that was my favorite part was like, he's so frustrating,
isn't he? Like I know it was just so cute
to see that and he wasn't like, like you like my boyfriend.
Yeah. Like they were just like, oh,
cool. I've someone to talk to about
this. Yeah, I like the difference
between her and Buffy to because she takes a minute to Process
what's happening? But at the end of the day, this
is like found family, strong friendship Group, which is very
sweet, like even like Jonah to doesn't react.
Weirdly told, he's like, okay, yeah, like, what is that?
Like, dude, the way he's like, it's this, this this and I'm
gay. Okay?
And the French were just like, oh, so, okay, just first diving
in, and he ate the wrong food. Anyway, I know that was
hilarious. Earth.
But yeah, the whole thing was cute because and also you real,
I mean, maybe this is my bias but like it's definitely harder.
I feel like it's harder for men to come out, especially to other
men. So like that scene was really
great. Where Jonah is like, okay, sure.
I also love that afterwards. They they all kind of have like
that moment where they get close together and hug or what kind of
hug and I love that. They They had Jonah and Cyrus
touching. Mmm.
Yeah, that was a yeah, in my brain, I'm like, oh, is he gonna
like not? You know, with guys, there's
usually like, a We're not gonna be intimate or hug or any of
that kind of thing, right? I just thought it was important.
That was an important thing too. Yeah.
Sure. Did that job or that?
Jonah wasn't afraid to like be close to Cyrus.
Yeah. Like I changed nothing about.
Yeah, exactly. Bless.
You bless you. Thank you.
Why is she with the devil's hand?
Lesbian, Jesus, blesses. You lesbian.
Jesus blessed me with a sneeze, but yeah, I agree.
I agree that, that, that was, I didn't catch that.
That's a really good point. Yeah.
Because like, with men, it's like, oh, don't touch me.
You're gay. I might catch your gayness, but
like, that it literally changed nothing, like you said, that's
so important. And it wasn't this storyline
isn't just thrown in there. It doesn't become who Cyrus's,
but it doesn't get thrown out either.
After these few episodes, he gets a boyfriend in the show and
you get to see them together. I think there might be a kiss
like just quick one. I like the hand-holding saying
yes, that was cute. Yeah.
I don't remember though. I didn't I didn't finish a show
and unfortunately you can't see most of the episodes online
anymore, but we won't get into that reason next thing.
Yeah. So now we're going to talk about
Kids coming out as Trans in TV shows.
And the first one, I wanted to put in because it caught me off
guard because you don't see it coming in the show at all and
this is the show Good Girls and I don't know.
I don't even remember the characters names.
Oh my gosh, I didn't, I haven't watch it for so long.
Oh my God, but me too. But this basically one of the
main girls who's the youngest? She just got back from helping
her ex-husband's. Current wife have their child.
And she comes back and checks on her daughter at.
Basically, I don't want to Yeah, and she talks about how it went.
She's like everything's good. And as she's leaving she says
it's a boy and been just been was in bed and she's just saying
good night to him. We'll just say him and he says
mom, so am I and I was just like it was just so.
It catches you off guard. So you kind of feel like the mom
in that instant you're like, oh okay.
And then just the way she reacts and she's just she looks upset
but no, you should just like I just love you.
And then so she hugs him. And she's like, I always wanted
a boy. No, that was the best part mom
of the Year award. Yeah.
And I should just immediately into okay, like later, I think
the next episode she's like, all right, we gotta do all the
medical stuff. Like, let's get you what you
need and it's just So great, one of the great things about them
to is that yeah this kind of it, it's very abrupt the way Ben
chooses to do burn been just seizes an opportunity, it does
it, but it's very clear throughout the whole I did watch
the show up to a certain point but it's very clear like the two
of them because she's like, single mom raising then they are
very close like the whole show like they're just clothes.
So I think that's that's so helpful because then when Ben
gets to the Point he does feel comfortable actually telling his
mom versus like having all the turmoil and all this stuff.
Because Mom is so supportive. Always.
And so it's just it's so great and like her reaction, like
their relationship is very, very cute.
And like been to like there's a point I think in this clip where
he says, like, basically I chose to tell you first and it's
obvious why, because Mom is so clearly supportive of him and
like they're like best friends. So it's just a blessing.
Much hesitation nuts. Like there's there's a there's
an opening for me to say this. I'm just going to say it.
So say it. He's been supported all his
life. Exactly.
And that's the most important thing.
Yeah. And even like pre this coming
out, like it's clear that like, he was kind of experimenting
like got the short hair, the way he would dress and like Mom
would buy him all these clothes and so they could sound a huge
shock to Mom either and moms. Like yeah, you want this, this
feels like you sure like even before bed like yeah I'm trans
like Like so it's very clear mom was always supporting him.
So like because of that I think Ben is in probably the best
situation you can ever be as a kid going through this.
Who has a mom that's always been supporting him like as he was
figuring this out. And so like It's just very sweet
and that's how it should be. It's so good.
It's a very good state. If you haven't seen it, go, see
it it restores. Your faith in humanity It's not
even that long and it's just so so good.
It's very sweet. You have anything else for a?
Okay, cool. So the next show that I'm
bringing up is called first day and basically I don't think many
people know about this show, it's on Hulu.
And it's an Australian show. I think there's only like six or
eight episodes this season. There's only two seasons
actually there's four I think there's four episodes.
Weird, but interesting. So it's not very long but it's
about this girl, Hannah, who is a She was male at Birth.
And but it does show starts out with her being Hannah.
Like she is Hannah. That's how everybody knows her.
Nobody knows me obviously, her family knows but no one at
school, so she has to go to school.
Well, you can watch a show. But basically, I brought this
show up because she gets outed and people find out that she's
trans, and She had three close best friends and the one just
stop talking to her. And there's a scene that I have
on here that She tries to talk to that friend and be like,
what's going on and the friend just keeps talking about like my
mom said that you should have told us.
So we could decide if we wanted to be your friend and all that.
So it was always like my mom, my mom.
Like because of her mom's prejudice against people trans
people. That's why this daughter doesn't
want to be Hanna's friend, and that is kind of fat that is
heartbreaking. Because later, you see, a scene
around a campfire where all the students there at this like Camp
thing and she was so worried about going, but they're all
around this campfire and someone asks I forget what the first
question was, I don't know if it was like, did you get to choose
your name or something like that?
And At first Hannah was like, do I really want to answer these
but she was like, no, I'll just tell you whatever you want and
everyone's just so comfortable asking questions.
And it just becomes like normal. Like they're all just like
goofing around by the end of the scene and I that just shows you
how kids don't have this Prejudice built into them.
And it's the people who raised them that they grow up around
that are really influencing what they're thinking, but it's not
an 8 in them to hate people, basically.
Yeah. Oh, you're muted.
Damn it. Thank you.
It goes back to like Society unfortunately, is performative
and parents, whether they know it or not indoctrinated their
children into certain ways of thinking and you hit the nail on
the head. Like, with the way the kids
like, oh my mom, my mom, meaning like my mom wouldn't have.
Let me play with you at all. We would never have been
friends, begin with because of my mom didn't want me hanging
out with people like you kind of thing and it's the Empire scene
is really powerful because it's basically just kids being
curious at the end of the day. And the first question they ask
her is, what was your name before Hannah?
And I love this scene, because she, she sits like her two best
friends that are still friends with her.
Like, are you okay? You don't the answer this and
she takes a minute and she's like, I don't, it does.
I don't want to say, it doesn't matter anymore.
My name's Hannah basically. And then the kids don't question
any of that. They just the next boys.
Like so why Hannah like there is no judgment there just like Why
we've never been through this, we just have, you know, how kids
ask a million questions for? Like why is the sky blue?
Why is the clouds white? Why is that?
They just want to know why. And so it's unfortunately that
usually the person they go to to ask why is the parent.
So if the parent has a preconceived judgment about
trans people, they're just going to ask you what they believe and
then the kids like oh that's bad.
Okay, no more questions. But here they actually, they're
just like they just move on to the next question.
I like okay, why Hannah then why this?
Why why why? Why why?
And it's very Assistant and just if a kid has no preconceived
notion about what this is, they just want to know why.
And you tell them and they're like, cool and move, right?
The fuck on. There is no Prejudice built into
people. It is a taught Behavior like you
said, and too many people do not understand that and it's really
sad. I love nature versus nurture.
But it's Hyun nurture in height. I love that.
It was little boys around the campfire to because again, like
again little boys who have no indoctrination about this, or
just like, I just, I'm curious. Why why, why?
Why I love that you brought up nature versus nurture because
they are outside around. Yeah, fire there in nature,
exactly. Well, not everything.
Freeze. The smartest of us all she yeah,
that was a good. It's a good catch.
Obviously I'm not even that together.
Yeah, I just It's so like I've had so many.
Friends that I've talked to about these kinds of
experiences. And it's unfortunately, two
common for These liquid, as far as we've gotten with the
community, it's still lags behind for non-binary and trans
individuals. to the point where their lives are in so much more
danger than then they would be other otherwise if we had more
progression in understanding of there, Lives.
So, It's a like that. They asked the question and they
don't press it afterwards because it's a really huge point
with within the trans Community. You know you don't dead name
people like and you don't if they don't want to talk about
it, don't press that point with them.
So I just really like that, this, you don't see things with
kids talking about this stuff on American TV.
And as she's crazy, that this whole show exists, like, you
don't see it very often in womb. And the lead is trans.
Yeah. Like, you don't see that period?
Like, like, this is basically. I believe this might be her
story, but yeah. She's very open about
everything. She just really wants to help
people see that. She's just a normal girl, but
you brought up that the representation is not as
prevalent for non-binary and transgender people.
I really hate when people who are gay, think that people who
are trans are like wrong. I'm like, how are you going to
be in this community and not Like respect everybody.
It doesn't make any sense. It's the worst I've run in a
couple people and the I don't like, I'm not gonna like say
it's all these people, but they're always older.
And I'm like, How are you? Well any it's it comes with a
lot of a lot of Obviously if you're talking about older
individuals, it's not anything that even more than gay even
more than being you know gay or bi or whatever.
It's just not and all entered into the conversation back then
he re addendums in. It's like that was just no and
people unfortunately don't care to educate themselves about much
of anything. People normally consume media
that goes along with their own viewpoints.
So, For this show to even exist, is amazing.
And also, I just feel like it needs to be present.
Everywhere. Like this kind of representation
is to be present everywhere. More often.
Yeah. But agreed.
I'm not going to try and psychoanalyze.
Why people are like that from the different generation.
I'm sure there's reasons and it's unfortunate.
But the important thing is that we are moving forward like Brie
said and now things like this existed because This never would
have existed like 20 years ago when I was a kid, like, never
like this. Never, so the fact that it
exists now and people are telling their stories and living
you know, out in the open like this is huge and great.
And that's the key like you have to, we have to normalize things
because then if it's normal it's not this big sin to boo thing
that people want to make it out to be for like, whatever the
fuck they're using it for usually their own bullshit and
political reasons. It's just like, it's people
being people, like people have been trans since literally
humans have existed. It's really not that big of a
deal but because you've anyway, I'll get into that later.
It's very aggravating the fact that this exists is beautiful
and any step in the right direction.
And I hope that this helps kids who are asking themselves these
questions. And you know, what would this
look like for me? Kind of thing have shows like
this? Yeah, that's what matters before
we didn't. Even have the conversation.
And now we're having the conversation.
And even though their voices of dissonance, like, I don't know.
Hey, JK Rowling, I'm calling you out.
Yeah. Who was a fixture in kids?
Media is a fixture and kids media.
It's just it's so sad that that she chose to put herself forward
in this case because honestly that's such a Harry Potter was
such an influence influential piece of media in general.
But Like we don't need that. We do not need that out there.
No. just, Now unlike again, pre or not again, but like pre this,
like the trans representation would either be super tragic
because it's been dangerous to live like that for so long not
not downplaying. That at all like it's always
been dangerous for stupid reasons, just people suck, but
it's the other way. I feel like trans people were
represented is as a joke. Yep.
Like it was seen as a joke. Like it's not legitimate it's
just a joke and like gay people were portrayed like that for a
while to gay people were the villains in medium.
Have a whole separate discussion about that at a later date or
they're seen as like the flamboyant, funny friend, like,
it's their delegitimize eyes there.
Other like put on these polarizing spectrum, is like the
villain, the tragic person or like this joke.
And so we're getting to a point where like this is not a joke.
This is just a kid being like, this is my life.
Like that's it. I'm just a kid.
That's it. Like that that is what's really
important. Like let's take it back from
these extremes and be like this is just a person.
There's no magic here, there's no mystery, it's just a person,
that's it. I think this is a great show for
parents to watch as well because odds are they're very confused.
Yeah, able to see this girl. It like living her life and yeah
there's going to be issues that she faces but she's so happy and
like you get to see her just so happy with her friends and Yeah,
when there's no people getting in the way basically and to be
fair to the parents, it's like if no one prepares you for this.
Like so like you're not like I mean maybe there will be going
forward. Like what like what to do if
this if your kid comes out if your kid like things for parents
to be aware of because if they don't know, they're just going
to get scared. And then scared people, react
horribly because they're not thinking logically.
So it either gets violent controlling like it can go in a
million different directions that aren't good for the kid.
So, yeah, things like this would be important for parents
soon-to-be parents. Words to be like, okay, if my
kid comes out, like, this is how I be a good person to that kid.
Yeah. So moving out of that category,
I have no Segways for any of this.
Just say, moving on, hang on. Let's the Segway moving on.
Okay, so the last seen in this section is just for like General
representation, I'm going to read my the one has like nine
description. For this, it says Frank and Dave
Sesame Street Bree is going to kill me for this one.
I will not Not. I just thought you're gonna kill
me for making you watch a little bit of Sesame Street.
Why would that what it's important?
It's Sesame Street has so many. It's like a classic iconic thing
that it is. You know, kids watch.
So I am like this is the, do I want to watch it in my time off?
No, I'm not. Going to watch Sesame Street by
to discuss the importance of Frank.
And Dave, just being We're chillin like a nor they are a
normal family. Yeah, we like, where?
Where? Where the hell was this?
Oh my God. I know, I love that.
It's two guys as well. Yes.
And they're adorable. They are little girls just like
yeah. My dad's.
And then like, I guess Elmo gets confused and like talking about
all the different types of families.
Yeah. I like yeah.
This one's like, Dan the papa. I like Caitlin.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's a there's a line in there.
I forgot. Which of the dad says it when
the he they're explaining the family and they're like well
what makes us a family is that we all love each other.
That's it. And that's what makes a family.
Yeah, I also love that later on when they're trying to hide
granny bird from Big Bird that they're all sitting around the
table and one of the dads is like yeah that's my new feather
duster. This is the master that was
easy. but I love that the whole seat because like, I love this
too because not only is it normalizing stuff because that
seemed to is this they daughter was talking about oh this is the
food we make at home. We make vegetable lasagna like
like we do normal shit like you do.
But I love to that they also just they showed different types
of families period. And so some of the arguments are
like well you're not related by blood so you can't be family and
it's like hold your hold your horse there.
Because the different families being shown here is like
Grandparent grandchild. So it's like, okay, you're kind
of removed a little bit genetically from each other but
they're a family. Then you have the step-sibling
stepparent, okay? Not everybody is blood related
there and then you have the cousins.
So not directly related but somewhat related and then
parents and kids in different forms.
It's like a mom and dad that are biological to the kid and then
the, the gay parents and their daughter.
And so it's like these are all considered families.
They're not all directly related by blood.
Some of them aren't even related by blood.
But what makes them a family is that they love each other and
they live life together. And that's all a family is.
There's nothing deviant about it.
There's nothing sexual about it. It's literally, that's all it
is. That's it.
Yeah. And the kids just getting to see
that and like, they're not thinking anything of it.
Hmm. No, you're not thinking about,
yeah. Any of that stuff.
They are just seeing two parents who love a child and we're like
okay, that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely.
I just used to seeing it. Yeah, I want to make lasagna
literally that's it. That was the little the whole
cool part about there. so happy that's on a very mainstream show
for kids, i doesn, t tree, I hated Sesame Street when I was
little It's not for everyone, if you're, if you're curious, why I
kept it, but I don't like Sesame Street.
The history of Sesame Street is really, really cool.
Well, I highly encourage you to look into it.
Like, why it exists and stuff like that?
It's a its iconic for what it was.
Its mission is and it's the fact that it's still running is
fantastic. I mean overall it's a good show.
But we've been talking a lot about supportive people.
Oh boy, here we go. And like the rage part things
that went well and we all know that, that's not the only thing
that happens unfortunately. So we're going this part is
titled coming out to religious families because a lot of times
that is a big player in Bad reactions to things.
So, we're going to talk about the unsupportive coming out to
religious Families First. And I mean, my brain immediately
goes to Naya Rivera playing Santana, engli.
And also yeah, I just my first thing here is I love Nia maybe?
Yeah. She okay, I don't know.
A lot of people are like, didn't or know.
A lot of people don't say that like people didn't enjoy.
You Santana in general because her abrasiveness.
I don't there wasn't a time when I watched this show that I
didn't love her character even though she was kind of an
asshole and abrasive. There was just the way that I
are played. Her was yes, it was great, it
was layered, like you, someone just played that straight on as
just straight up asshole. It would come off so
differently, but since she She the way that she portrayed
portrayed her, had those layers. And even the way the character
was written, it was just I grieved with it because my
family feels how dare you. I only watched season 4 and half
of five the first time and that was in 2020.
Caitlin. Those seasons were terrible.
Why would you start there? Melissa.
I see ya. Okay, so then then I watched the
whole thing in 2021, I believe. And that's when I got attached
to Nia like, I've because I saw her whole Arc and it just, it
killed me. Yeah gosh I just remember the
first time I saw the scenes where she's even she hasn't even
like, I don't think she's even come out yet to her grandmother
but she's kind of talking about it.
And it's I don't know, it just it got me because your
grandparents, like he come out to your parents.
That's like a thing. But your grandparents, that's a
whole other thing because, especially, if they are a
religious grandparent, that's I don't even know.
I never even got the chance to come out to my dad before he
died. So my grandparents my
grandmother's were dead before it's or my grandfather so I
never had that experience and it was just interesting to watch
Santana, go through that. At somebody who literally went
through this, this plotline infuriates me because
unfortunately is real well hold on.
So we're talking about the scene where Santana comes out to her
grandmother at the kitchen table and has to get her to sit down
and stop trying to eat her. Exactly.
Now, you may go off, oh, I want to go off about the whole thing.
This whole plot line is so fucked.
First of all, like the you have some clips in here but the whole
her whole plot line about you coming out is so ACT first thin
outer in the hallway. Oh yeah.
Yeah, never lend. Then in order to smear sue, the
cheerleading coach oh my God. This who's running for I forget
something, some political office they her opponent out Santana to
get back at soon. They're like she has a gay
cheerleader on her Squad and it's going to are all over the
state of Ohio and so that's how so Santana is coming out.
Is completely out of her control to which is so fuck.
And I remember when I was heartbreaking scenes, that
Santana is, when Sue shows her this and she's like, hey, I'm
just letting you know, this is going to happen.
She starts bawling immediately. She's like I haven't even told
my parents yet, and like the whole state of Ohio is going to
know like, because of politics. Like somebody used Santana as a
pawn in politics. And like, she's like, this is
gonna ruin my life. Like, wow.
Like her coming-out is so fucked up and traumatizing And then,
it's okay, add. But like, she's even a child.
Yeah, these are fucking children.
Yeah. She's not 18.
She's like, 16 17. Jesus fucking child and Sue, but
Sue has the suit. Okay, again, most people don't
understand the point of Glee. And so like these characters
seem to measure one-dimensional two-dimensional because this is
a fucking satire that's why they were like this.
But Sue has a hard at the end of the day sometimes and like she
shows Santana, She's like, hey I just wanted you to know this
because I know this is a big deal and like so you're prepared
for it. And so So in the scene you
showed us and Aunt like they're telling the rest of the
cheerleading squad and I was gonna get there, the one seed
first boy, but I love Sue's line in this scene where she's just
like everyone in school has now come out.
The long National nightmare students coming out is over.
No, she said every student who could possibly come out about.
So I love the zoo Sylvester and that's a scene that didn't
actually are. So you have to watch it on
YouTube. I fucking love Jay.
Like she's the best. He is.
But anyway, so the grandmas, see, and less, there's more
about that. Did you want to talk about that?
See it first. It's technically like yeah,
yeah, I know, I have something okay.
Um, sorry. I hijacked I have a lot of
feelings about those I can tell, sorry, it's alright.
I have a lot of feelings about the next one.
So I just, I love, I love her, just speech to the girls because
she's like, yeah, the Glee people said that it would help
me if I did this and like, I don't want to but, you know, she
still loves them so much. That's why she's doing it.
And like, she's like, all right, I'll try it.
But my favorite line that she says is and it doesn't change.
The fact that I'm a natural-born leader and I'm not afraid to cut
a bitch. Then the last one when she's
going to sit down and Becky's like I made out with a girl,
Brittany goes, it was before I met you.
It's like these light is so low. Like you, if you don't like,
listen for it. You can't tell what's happening
and I love Heather. His portrayal of.
Brittany is just amazing. Those two characters were my
favorite the same say, oh my gosh.
I love them. Same.
Heather Morris, and I are Vera made, those characters were
literally background characters, but they because their
performances were so good. They made them like mink and
that Main characters look like in the main cast.
Basically, there were my favorites, too.
I didn't pay attention to Rachel and Finn, so, not a, not a care.
Don't care about exactly. They were the best.
I could have like, you could have made the show, you could
have taken them out of the show and I'd be happy.
Oh my God. Yeah, Ryan Murphy loves Lea
Michele too much. Which is why that didn't happen?
How she got off the rails anyway, but we're not talking
earlier. Yeah, but now I was like, What
if I pick leaf or a topic? How do you think they would kill
me? No, I would talk about my talk
about it for 93 years. Yeah, I love them.
Well, look forward to that because I'm a feeling.
I will pick that at some point. They're one of my favorite
trips. Ever.
Is it Grandma? Same time?
It's Grandma. Seen time.
I seen this is the most realistic thing ever.
Because this is typical Grandma Behavior, grandma, just trying
to feed you and your like, I have to talk to you.
It's like just eat. Shut up.
Just eat it. But it's like, okay, no, no.
And yeah, this is really hard for Santana because again
there's like that generational difference here.
There is the religious thing that's definitely there and it's
just like women behave, a certain way, man, men behave.
A certain way, that's just the way things are.
We got what we are today because we followed that Playbook and
here comes Santana, who has to be like I'm not following the
Playbook and living up to the expectations you wanted for me.
Mom and dad were cool with it, but you're more set in your
ways, then they are. And I will never ever get over.
Nya's delivery of the line when she's trying to explain this to
Grandma. And she says, when I'm with
Brittany, I finally understand what people are talking about
when they talk about love. That is the most like pure
sentiment it just ever and for her to admit that even as
Santana. So yeah is huge.
And so like you talked about earlier like the way Santana is
portrayed as Bitchy and she's like, I was like super tough and
this and that this scene humanizes and explains why she's
like that. It's literally her defense
mechanism because she has a secret that's eating her way
from the inside. That's this whole scene.
She's like it's eating me. Eating me up and like I'm tired
of fighting myself at this point and it sucks because like,
that's what this whole society, shit expects, you to do and
grandmas response to all of this is like everyone has Secrets
Santana. They're Old secrets for a
reason. Yeah, that was fucked.
It's so fucked. But like, is that not Society?
How this works? It's like we're constantly being
performative with each other. And if you have a secret, you
have to keep it hidden because if somebody finds out, they can
use it against you and you fall down the social hierarchy,
right? And so, like that's grandma.
That's what grandma was raised in.
And it implies to, that, like, well, Grandma is seen as this
like, right Righteous woman. She probably has her own secrets
and she probably has her own things where she doesn't quite
conform to the things. She's the box society puts her
in. But Grandma's like, Hey, listen,
if you have things like this, like the point is, you keep them
hitting you. Fight that war with yourself
forever, you never let it out because that's what the Bible
says, it's a sin, you constantly fight it.
If you're fighting it and struggling it, you're being
righteous because that's what the Bible says, it doesn't.
But sure, my in there a is Grandma's gay.
There's something with Grandma because like, every literally,
everybody has one of these things everybody and whether
they let other people see it or not is not the point.
The point is like why they like suffering is seen as this like
righteous thing where it's like white like humans Force other
humans to be miserable for the appearance that they're pure and
perfect and it's so fucking stupid.
It's so stupid. And Santana is at the point
where she's like, I've been fighting this war with myself,
but I'm so fucking tired. I'm tired of fighting this
battle and so, there's like this generational trauma that like
grandma's trying to pass on to her daughter or granddaughter to
be like, this is just the way it is, like, do it and Santino's
like no, no, no, I'm fucking tired.
Like, I understand what happiness is now?
Like no, there's no going back for me.
I get what love really is love isn't forcing me in a box
because It's what the Bible says, love is what when I'm with
Brittany? Like no, I'm not playing this
game anymore and like I won't get into that.
But there's a line that grandma says to that just pissed me off
and it's just, it's so true. This is the mentality and she
says, the Sin is in the Scandal when people talk about it out
loud, Why the scene is not the action itself, it's talking
about it. What other people finding out
about the secret? That's the sin.
So dumb. That's so fucking stupid.
But like who who is determining that?
That's the Scandal like who is this God?
Or is it people like I don't know.
It's it pisses me off so much because people hide behind
religion to use it as this like excuse to again to absolve
people of their shitty behavior, my grandma, the Grandma's
probably, like I don't understand this.
I'm scared, I'm scared for you. Let's like, I don't want to be
scared. I don't want to be feeling this
stuff. Like go back in the box, go back
in the box. Like I was and she says later,
like you've made me uncomfortable.
Like, that's what this really is.
Like, she's just scared. Yeah.
How do I you make me uncomfortable.
Dear human. Yeah, and that's what a lot of
this outrages about like oh how dare the Disney Channel show
this to kids? It's because the adults are
uncomfortable because they don't understand this.
And instead of trying to understand it and empathize
they're just like no I want to go back to not being.
I want to never you know you the sin is telling me the testing is
telling me not what you're doing by yourself and now that I know
I'm uncomfortable and I don't want to be uncomfortable.
So like you need to go hide so I can be comfortable again and
that's what that's what this scene is.
So real and so stupid because people do react like this
because they're scared and they don't know how to deal with
their emotions instead of dealing with their own emotions.
They're just like you need to change your behavior.
So I can go back to being ignorant about this and
comfortable and living in my have news for them.
It's not about you. Yeah, the, our is pissed.
I'm pissed. I'm also, I'm also reading a
book right now called A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.
That's basically about, gosh, Yeah, it's about this so I'm
super like sensitive to this topic right now.
Hmm. Because people do it outside of
the queer context. It's just what our society,
isn't it? So fucking stupid and Santana,
has another great line in here. After Grandma explains all this,
where she says, I'm the same person, I was a minute ago, like
a minute ago. You were just like, hey, like
granddaughter and then I made you uncomfortable and you're
like, get out of my house. I'm the same person.
I was, Amanda goes. It's so fucking stupid and the
thing that breaks and Hannah is really she's like you really,
really would have preferred if I kept this a secret from you and
that you didn't know me. Cool.
The thing that really hit me and was like, I was really sad and
angry about it is the you made your choice now, I've made mine,
she didn't choose it. I'm pretty sure if she could,
she would never choose it. Yep.
It's yep. Tragic that anyone would treat
their Any well anyone in general but especially their grandchild
that way. I don't.
I just Mmm, don't put all of your trauma on somebody else.
Stop that. That's dumb.
Get out, that's all I've got to say.
Yeah, and it's just it, this whole thing and this white
people react like this. It's not, you can't just up and
be like, they're from a different generation, like know
people from this generation do this and it boils down to people
being afraid. They're afraid of what they
don't understand. And their response is not to own
that own their feelings, it's just to shun, whoever is making
them uncomfortable. That's the response, that's why
they want to erase us for media ban the books.
It makes them uncomfortable and they don't want to deal with it.
They just want their like hide the sin so I don't have to see
it and then I don't have to think about it deal with it, and
I can go back to ignorance is bliss.
That's what this really fucking is and it's so it pisses me off
so much because I mean, I had a similar experience with my
grandmother. So I understand this pot line a
lot. Unfortunately, screw your
grandmother. So like why is why?
Why do you have to rub it in people's faces?
I'm not. I'm existing.
I'm telling you. I exist.
I'm not doing anything but like sitting here.
Yeah, and it's like the response again is controlling the other
person. Like why are you trying to
control like you're trying to control me?
Like you're choosing to try and control me.
Why are you making that choice? That's fucked up.
Like, didn't God, give us all free will and like you're trying
to control me like who the fuck gave you the right.
Like fuck you and honestly What people like this out of your
life even if they're related to because it's not worth it, it's
not worth it. This is so Unnecessary.
If they remain of that, go ahead.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
There's your segue. There's your segue.
Oh, no. That's not.
Actually, I'm not segue into the next thing.
Okay. Well, I was going to ask I was
going to ask. Did anyone make it to season 6
of Glee? No, no.
When all the couples broke up, I stopped watching.
I was too mad. Okay.
So Brittany and Santana. Get married.
Mhm. And Sue goes, and tries to get
the grandmother to agree to come to the wedding. and, She the
grandmother is still all stuck in the same way that she was.
And she's like, no, I do not approve and Sue's like, okay,
you know what? You're right.
Let's we should, like, I've no idea.
I haven't I didn't watch a scene to prepare for this but like
Sue, like overdramatize has like she usually does of like hating
Santana and like gay people. To make the grandmother realize,
how she was behaving and how she's reacting.
Mmm, I'll get it. Like, this is still your
granddaughter and she eventually does show up to the wedding, but
I kind of wish she didn't just like, in general, that Santana
didn't feel like she needed her anymore.
And like, yeah, she is, she was a huge part of her life.
But when someone, Feels like that towards you.
You do not need them, you have people, she found people around
her who, really loved her. so, I think she showed up, she's like,
I still don't understand it. But I'm here and I'll try.
So it was like kind of redemption Arc.
I still don't think it was enough.
I think it. And that was just added in there
to be like, okay, if we're not homophobic anymore, I think Lee
is a mess but I agree with that. Like, even now and someone who
loves us with my grandmother, You ever talk to her still?
Yeah. I mean, that's what I was
getting to, like, for holidays and birthdays and things like
that, but that what she did is always in the back of my mind,
like, redemption or not, that was your reaction.
I will never forget that. I can't, like, I can't like I
know the what you taught me by behaving that way is that I can
never fully trust you. That's what I learned. and it
sucks and and like my grandmother has never made an
attempt to like be under cuz like it's okay to react that way
and then Like initially because when you don't know what to do
again, when people are scared, they they're not being logical.
Like it's been years and there has been no attempt like really
reach out to men, to get to know my wife.
My wife wrote her like a letter. Like I love Julie.
I just wrote her a letter of. Just like us living in San
Francisco and like all the stuff that we've been up to, it has
never been acknowledged. Never been replied to you
kidding me. No.
So absolutely H. I'm getting in my car now.
I know I should I won't fit on top of my dad but I don't want
to get my heart attack. I feel like needs to know at
some point like just his mother. I don't want to get on this on
the podcast, but they get in fights all the time.
Now that our political or me cut this out.
Now, I'm not gonna do it for you, can infer what you want,
political differences. Okay, where he and my mother.
It's that my my dad's side of the family is A mess.
We'll leave it at that. Yeah.
So but again, like No like for Santana to like even if like
Grandma is trying to make amends like in Santana's mine it's like
you chose to walk away from me and that's not something.
You forget like you're my blood. You're supposed to love me but
you walked away from me like I can never fully trust you and
fully love you. The way I did before like I was
the same person I was when I walked in that kitchen and told
you my truth and then you showed me your truth and I can never
forget that. Hmm I just remembered something
I think Britney wants Went to her and invited her to the
wedding. Did she did because Britney's
the best. Yeah, that's so sweet.
And then sue found out that she rejected it and then really all
right, I'll put it right into my own hands like she made plain
and Yeah, we'll talk about it one day.
That's what? Okay listen, that's what scarred
me for the motherland, do a wedding because of the Glee do
what? And I was like getting caught
for doing this again. Yes, and I thought I mean it was
a straight wedding but still anyway, it was like yeah.
But anyway to talk about it later, the point is be a good
being at being. A good person is not sticking to
Arcane morals and shoving people in boxes and All are telling you
something like listened to them and support them.
That's what being a good person is not being like I stuck to my
morals and double down and hurt my granddaughter in the process,
like, come on now. So hubristic to think you know
everything / in better. Yeah and it's totally like
hypocritical for the reason you're doing this.
You're like well God told me, ya know a nice question real quick.
Yeah. This heuristic mean It's like
hubris is kind of like you're you know, at all your I always
feel words rather than yeah no I understand that.
I'll tell you humorous, the definition of hubris has
excessive Pride or self-confidence.
The testicle. Yeah, exact success of Pride
towards your, you know, defiance.
Sounds good. Sookie's in your room right now.
That's right. Julie went to the store and just
got back, so Kendra was barking. And Suki Suki is dead to the
world. She's been this whole he's
tired. So he's dead.
So he's not actually dead from social networks.
To key is also 14 and can't hear she can't hear very well.
So shoot that coming home does not.
She's out. That's great.
So I can have her in here Sookie.
I hope it's just me or die. I want to meet all the animals.
I would have beat all the people someday someday.
We'll get there. Let me Julie.
Are we transitioning? Yeah, I was going to say
speaking of cutting people out. Yeah, okay.
So I've never watched Grey's Anatomy at all because now I
feel like it's too much of a commitment.
You don't need to watch all of it.
You need to watch the first five seasons and then stop.
I agree. Yeah, it's a different show.
It involves into nonsense after that.
Yeah, don't don't want your past that.
Yeah, so I have a feeling. As soon as I stop talking this
is just going to go those two going at it.
It's not added Billy. You know what I mean?
So I'm just going to say what I'm going to say and then I'll
let you guys say whatever you want. so, the scene that I put
in here was I guess she already came out to her, is her
granddaughter, know, it's her father and her father shows up
at her place of work, it's Callie also.
Oh, yeah, sorry, Callie, yeah, don't show it.
Somebody's place of work, but with a priest and he learns her
into a false sense of security thinking that he accepted her.
She hugs him and then sees the priest and then she keeps
screaming. You can't pray away the gay.
And I love that she just doesn't care anymore.
Just screams it right in the middle of her work.
She's lying are she's screaming this in a crowded like, er, You
always heard worse but still yeah but still I feel really.
Can I just get a doctor and like this fight is happening.
Somebody it's real. And then the next scene I think
they put it in the same video. They're talking in a room so she
actually gives him the time of day to talk and the priest is
that That dude should not have been there, but her father says,
he doesn't know where he went wrong.
And I just want to say you didn't because you raised one
bad bitch. I mean, so I assume from what
I've seen because I don't know this character at, all right,
you're right. And then he starts quoting, the
Bible verses like people love to do but she throws it right back
at him and goes off about all these different things.
And she's like, you're not my savior.
Jesus Is My Savior. I get not knowing this whole
Arc. I got really confused later
because I saw a scene for like the wedding that I was like,
very confused but I didn't have this in there for us to talk
about but I saw the scene. Damn it.
I Caitlin Caitlin. I saw the scene where it Callie
is getting married and her mother is just so unsupportive.
So I didn't know anything about her mother and she says you are
not a bride, I am not the mother of a bride and this isn't your
wedding. How can you say that to your
daughter on her wedding day? And then I saw a scene with the
rehearsal Like the wedding rehearsal and she's just trying
to get her to hold her granddaughter and she can't even
like look at her granddaughter. It's a baby.
First of all I know naughty babies.
Aren't everybody's think? I'm just like that.
Little child is so adorable. I would I would love to hold her
but she likes us. Would you like to hold the
bouquet and so they just keep talking about the child, as of
UK. And this I had no idea what's
going on because all of a sudden, the father is accepting
and he's like oh the bouquet. I haven't had enough bouquet
time and I just thought that was so cute and I love seeing him be
so happy about everything. And yeah, so now you guys can
talk about the entire Arc. Arc and your thoughts hail and I
can't wait to find out more. I have to go back because if you
want to talk about coming out, seems there's one in season 4
before Kelly meets Arizona and season 5.
Yeah, we're Callie's. First experience with another
woman is when she starts seeing dr.
Hahn, the cardio specialist who also has that kind of Santana
Vibe as in like she's a bitch for a reason but Han has a scene
where it Spooks Callie because she and Kelly.
I spent the night together and she's like realizing she's
telling her like when she's relating it to a story, when she
was a kid. She did, he went and got an eye
exam and got new glasses. And she had no idea that she
couldn't see, clearly until she put the glasses on and she could
see the leaves. Like the trees had leaves.
So she could see clearly for the first time and she's like,
that's what he, how, what happened when I got my class.
Yeah. So she's like, that's what it's
like, what it's been like with you is like, you're my glasses.
Yes, it's such a, it's a really good metaphor and it's a really
great scene. It's just unfortunate that at
the time Cal, he's not ready to go.
Write that place with her and so she kind of rejects Han like
keep starts keeping her distance.
Which she kind of gets a little bit of that thrown back at her
later on when she meets Arizona. And Arizona is very hesitant to
date Cali because she's so newly out and she's like I don't have
I want to date somebody that knows who they are ready.
And is like, yeah, I'm down that Journey already.
I don't want to go back to that, which, you know.
Okay, that's sucks. But it's a legitimate Viewpoint,
whatever, but don't just like reject somebody because of that,
like, because obviously, they get together but that Han scene
was such a great scene from coming out.
And if you haven't watched it, I suggest you go watch it because
it's just, I just love the metaphor because metaphors give
me life, and that was a really great one and the acting was
wonderful. By the way, the actress cannot
remember. The her name was the one in
Silence of the Lambs that was in the hole.
He puts the lotion on its skin. It's the same actors.
That's right I forgot her name. But yeah, you're right.
Yeah, so just a weird coincidence but yeah, later on
when Callie comes out to her dad because I love the actor that
plays her dad so it like piss me off.
Even more to see him. Let was like listen but the way
they handled it with The way Callie handles, it is so Fierce
and real and the way that she just throws those those Bible
verses right back at him and he just doesn't have like a real
answer, the place, the priest is just saying they're
flabbergasted and then it's the scene afterwards when she goes
and finds Cal or when Arizona finds her in, I guess it's a
lounge or something. Yeah, and she just like sits
there and listens to her and then let her cry.
It's like you can see on Arizona's face, how painful it
is to watch Kelly go through that and to know because it's
just like, it's so it's so weird.
Like, watch somebody else that you really have those feelings
for go through a terrible situation with coming out like
that when you've already gone to through that Journey, Oh poor
Callie. I mean she's got to be scared of
what Arizona's reaction is going to be.
Because before she was like I don't know if I want a date you
because Your baby gay or Baby by just coming out but I really
love that. There is a separation with them
for a while and then when Arizona gets her shit together,
finally, it's like, That's a really good thing to, but this
really pissed me off with the priest.
First of all, don't bring that don't bring yourself into the
hospital and definitely don't bring a priest.
Alright. Tiara.
Yeah, this is another again just people hiding behind religion
and the dad is like, I'm trying to save your soul.
By like, tormenting your daughter with the priest, but I
will set her work at her fucking work.
She's a fucking doctor and you're attacking her at a
hospital. A place that's healing people.
The thing Jesus did, and you have the audacity to judge this
healer. So, I level the Jesus stuff in
here because to all these fuckers that are out here,
quoting the Bible, the Christian Bible, They're like, oh yeah,
but this is what it means. I this, what Callie does,
fighting religion with religion is exactly what you do.
And here's the deal. She did it the right way.
She's like Jesus. Jesus is the one we're supposed
to be following, right? Jesus has said, nothing about
homosexuality ever, read. All the stuff that Jesus said,
never said, any of this Jesus said to love each other.
Jesus said to trust each other Jesus said, I'll and she's like,
this is what you? He's the guy you're supposed to
believe in, right? Yet.
You're not Why don't you follow what?
He actually fucking tells it. So it's also pointing out the
hypocrisy, all the stuff with are hiding behind the Bible and
not practicing what they preach. They're attacking other people
belittling them, tormenting them judging them.
You were not supposed to judge people.
That is what God can only judge you, right?
So like it just up actually with the priest there who says
nothing because Again, you have no ground here.
Like that's the whole thing. It's like you're hiding behind
all this stuff but like really, you can't control me.
You're not the ones who are going to judge me.
She's like Jesus, is the one that's going to judge me.
Not you like it's the hubris. That's what Bree said.
This is fucking hubris, where you take this and you put it
upon yourself to be like the one to enact what God wants.
And it's like the audacity of this bullshit.
She's like, no, no, no, I'm gonna call you Jesus.
That's the one I believe in. I'm living the way he told me
to. So, You have no, you have no
ground here, so he has nothing to fight back because she's
like, yeah, this is the stuff you're supposed to believe,
right. Do you believe it?
Do you and walks away? And to be fair, like, while she
did the right thing. Do you even doing that to your
parent to? A family member is so
emotionally taxing to have to let go toe-to-toe to them over
this, because you're defending yourself and they're attacking
you, and it's just a shape position to be in.
Yeah. And these are the people who
supported her for so long and they're taking.
So he takes away the monetary support that he's giving her
because she's at this point. She's I think a second-year
resident, second or third. I can't remember.
But she's never really had to Support herself.
Her parents are very wealthy and so this is like a thing but
instead of being like, oh crap, well I guess I better conform.
Hal. He's like, I'll do it.
Oh, I will, you know, get this like that doesn't matter to me.
The I can support myself. So, She was I guess the
character is lucky enough to have a job that kind of helps in
that regard, but I just really love that.
She didn't have a moment's hesitation about standing her
ground even when support monetary support was pulled out
from under her, Yeah, I'm like think about the dads rationale
there. It's so fucked.
It's like I'm not going to financially support you.
Because I'm trying to save your soul.
So by doing that, you're forcing your daughter to suffer.
Like you're the one that's making her suffer because you're
uncomfortable, and don't understand.
And instead of understanding your try to control her, it's
the same. It's like, because like, I'm
sorry. But that's what, like these
religions do. They're just there.
They, they're controlling people.
Like, that's part of it. It's, you know, the Lord is my
shepherd, right? Confirm, the Sheep Following the
Leader. It's like, that's what he's
trying. Trying to do to her and it's
like you're causing her to suffer unnecessarily and like to
Callie's credit. She act like you said is like no
fine, I'll take the suffering because I'd rather be me than
like go back in this box where I'm miserable to make you
comfortable just like with Santana's abuela.
It's And people. It's and I didn't watch that far
into the show. So I guess the dad figures this
out eventually but like he does he comes around a bit especially
when you get towards the Wedding part and the mom, you really
don't have a lot like she's not in there.
A lot are more and then when they do come to the wedding,
which the only reason the mom shows up the wedding is it's a
whole other thing but it's like I like that it doesn't end with
everyone being like super happy. I like that it that the mom
doesn't just like super come around at the end it's still
uncomfortable because I don't think she'll ever get to that
place like the dad did but also there's a scene that that's
really interesting in contrast to the parents because you Got
Arizona's, parents, and Kelly's parents at the same dinner
table. Yeah.
And Arizona's dad is pissed off. That they're not accepting what,
you know, that this marriage, the marriage and the
relationship and he's about to let his, he's a big military
dude. He's about to like, throw down
because I'm not accepting. It's such a contrast.
It's really interesting because it's like they're insulting His
Daughter by not accepting. Relationship, which scene was
that, cuz I think I have a different scene that I'm
thinking about, there's a scene where they're having the good of
all of them together for dinner at some point.
I don't know. I could be mixing up two scenes
because it's been forever since I've seen it, but that doesn't
one scene where the Arizona's parents are so upset.
Well, her dad is so upset because the sperm donors there.
And he's like, what's the sperm donor doing here?
That's this is a family dinner and then Callie's, dad is like,
I met these two people on the flight here and they're gay and
they're on their way to the pride parade and he's just like
so proud of himself for like meeting and talking to these
people. And I just I love that he was
redeemed and just the way that he's like I love my
granddaughter like she's so cute, I might be misremembering
the sayings but I feel like there that that her dad
Expressed that. At some point, I may be wrong.
It could have been before it. I haven't seen that many scenes.
I just I haven't seen them recently.
So, yeah, you're muted, you're muted.
You're muted said. If you need another reason to
watch Grey's, Anatomy, Sandra Sandra Sandra and her oh, oh
yeah, I forgot. She was in the ABC Hydra.
Greedy, still watch the show. No, I stopped after Gracie to
watch season 19. I watched the gay parts
Adelaide's in it, I know. But her character is so
straight. I don't know if I can watch it.
They're not even for her face. Oh, watch it on mute.
Um, no, I love her voice too but she's doesn't have her accent.
So. Oh yeah.
Any anyway. Anything else about that whole
Arc know? I think I think I'm good.
Like, we're time to move on to the last narrating one.
Oh yeah, that one. Oh my God.
I forgot there was one in between these.
This is probably going to be the last one for this episode.
All right, so hands and didn't get back to the support of side
next episode. So now we're going to move into
Batwoman. Everybody's favorite show.
I actually do like that woman. I do like that.
I like, no, I like that woman. It's just I pissed off the
people. I'm gonna be the outlier.
I did not like that woman. That's okay.
Because I don't like the cocoa, sorry.
It's because I don't like Ruby Rose.
Yeah, mmm, yeah. Mmm Heroes seize.
I like season 2 and 3. The ones with Ruby Rose.
I don't like like except like the other characters like I like
straight. I like season one because I like
This the sister storyline and I do love her, I was the only good
part about it for me. I agree.
Me too. But I could have, you could have
put another actor in the place that Ruby Rose for that and I
would have been happier. Yeah.
But I like yeah, yeah, yeah. The actress that plays bath is
fucking awesome. The other seasons are.
Okay. I'm just, I don't know.
I don't like, okay. I don't like bet Batman and that
whole universe in general. It's just not my thing.
I also get frustrated with this, this type of hero, which is
usually women or it's like the on Rigid morality to a fault
shut stuff where it just gets annoying.
I like all the other characters and the Alex Megan Tandy in this
world, I like it's great. Just in general.
Hmm, jeez. She loves to dance by the way,
she's funny. It's all she wants to do as long
as she could dance, she's happy? Yeah.
The amount of times I ran into her, right?
Outside. The hotel was a little.
I'm like random restaurant. It was interesting.
She was she's a people person, but she was always dancing and
getting people to dance. Yeah. so we were around her, so
Anyway, this seen you you know what, you go ahead with this
scene I'm gonna let you guys because you guys are very into
it. Okay.
Listen, this this is Mother. We're back to the whole I'm
disappointed. That word, the d word, the d
word. Like at first you think.
Okay. How is this going to go?
Okay we're good. And then she it just takes a
turn and it's like the guilt is laid on and that is the worst.
It's like Basically, she's telling her.
Well, you're making life hard. This doesn't?
You know, basically like I'm disappointed.
This doesn't need to be like that.
It's your it's back to the hole. This is, it's just like, back in
the hole, putting my values onto you have all of this stupidity
that Society has someone like people over Generations, have
declared that. This is how things are supposed
to be. So I'm disappointed that you're
not conforming. Yep.
But she says, what did you expect disappointment to look
like? Yeah, I think that?
Yeah, not even passive-aggressive.
We're onto like, Van aggressive. She's so fake.
Don't want to see that look on your face and she's like, well,
what did you expect disappointment to look?
I know it's like it's like stabbing.
It's like it putting a knife into it and twisting like really
and this ladies and gentlemen and gentle them's is the
definition of indoctrination straight, people do it all the
fucking time but I think the heartbreaking thing NG to with
Sophie, there's a couple of things.
In the beginning of the scene. So it's her coming out to her
mom who she hasn't told. So, like, Sophie has been gay
for years years, and is now telling her mother.
And in the beginning of this, you can tell that before she
even brings up this topic, she's regretting, this conversation
like the dread like ABS off of Sophie and she like knows, it's
gonna be bad and it's so sad to see a child this afraid of
losing her parent because that's the fear.
She's like, I'm really afraid of losing you, but I cannot do this
anymore like, Can't. I've tried to conform for years,
like years. So if he has been lying for
years about who she is about keeping that secret, right?
She even got into a cop hat marriage with a man to like hide
her sexuality. So, like she has been living a
lie, her whole life and like the mom doesn't even like it, the
conversations be like, oh, I left my husband and we're
getting a divorce and she's a cool that's great.
I don't care that you're getting a divorce.
You'll find a new man that you like and like that's cool.
Like that's cool and she's like, no, no, like I want to marry a
woman and not not and not at like, here's the deal.
Like she's been like gay this whole time and nobody's like,
okay, you've also like been forcing the dude, you were
married to to live a lie because he was never going to get a
future. It like you, you're just, you're
not only hurting yourself. You're hurting other people to
maintain the lie. And that's the fucked-up thing
about it, and, and Mom and the scenarios almost like, well, you
should have kept living the lie, just force it Down, live the lie
and like force. Man, to live a lie because like
he's under the impression that like, oh I have a wife that
loves me and all this stuff and it's like she's lying to you to
protect herself because that's what Society that's in the
indoctrination. Right.
Is keep the secret and then like live the LIE right?
That's what Society tells her so that you avoid this
disappointment and that's what's so fucked up.
It's like nobody really sees the collateral damage in, living the
lie to pretend, you're confined to conform to conform to what
people want your hurting other. Are people in the process.
It's so fun. Just fucked and mom was like,
yep. Leave that man.
Find a new one like divorce. That's totally cool.
Totally fine. The minute, it's a woman.
She's like, I'm out, disappointment disappointment.
It's so fucking stupid. You don't even know, there's not
a whole lot more to say, it's just frustration, it's very
frustrating. It's very frustrating to have
the parent, who's, like, I'm supportive of you being happy as
long as happiness, is what I envisioned for you and I'll what
you envision for you. It's the worst.
Thanks, I hate it here. Yep. so I know we're not leaving
on a happy note, but I think it is important because now you're
all going to just sit with this feeling until next time and
Yeah, just sit with the feeling, think about it.
Just think about it. But how do you know, But anyway
next time we will come back and we start with a pretty funny
scene. I feel like it's so big you
can't be good. Until next time.
Goodbye. Let's be in Jesus.
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