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Hello and welcome to Big Gay 
Energy. 

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I'm Caitlin. 
And I'm Fiora. 

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Come along with us while we dive
into the fun and nuances of 

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queer media. 
Representation matters, and 

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we're. 
Here to talk about it. 

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Cheers, queers. 
What's on the big gay agenda 

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today, Fiora? 
Today we're going to be talking 

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about Season 2 of XO Kitty, 
which just like when we recorded

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our season 1 episode, we also 
have to announce it was renewed 

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for a season 3 good for XO. 
Kitty in the world of 

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disappointment and uncertainty, 
they have continued to thrive. 

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Yeah, in a in a world where 
we're still waiting on hard 

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slapper season 4, yes or no 
announcement from Netflix, 

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Netflix was like, XO Kitty, you 
can get your third season. 

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So good for them for getting 
another season that's hard in 

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this current climate we have 
going on here. 

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So yay XO Kitty again going 
strong, which is really 

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exciting. 
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Yeah, the. 
Story will continue, but we have

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to talk about the story that we 
just got in Season 2. 

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Yeah, so this episode, like our 
other XO Kitty episodes, will 

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not be a scene by scene 
breakdown. 

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This is more of a recap of the 
season and what we liked about 

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it, what was good about it and 
maybe some speculation on what's

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going to go on in Season 3 
because we're getting a Season 

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3. 
So. 

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So it doesn't have to just stay 
in our brains. 

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We will find out. 
Which was never good. 

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So if you love XO Kitty, we have
other content. 

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Like I mentioned, we did recaps 
of Season 1 that's available on 

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YouTube and wherever you get 
podcasts. 

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We also did react to Season 1 in
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There are select reactions on 
YouTube, the full reaction to 

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every episode from Season 1, and
Caitlin also reacted to Season 

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2. 
Those are on our Patreon. 

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So for $5 a month, you can go 
get a lot more XO Kitty content 

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while we wait for Season 3. 
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I mean, it's definitely 
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It's it's a wild ride. 
Go, go enjoy my solo reactions 

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to Season 2. 
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And then let me know what you 
think. 

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So I don't feel like I was 
watching it alone. 

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You're never alone, Caitlin. 
The ghost of Lesbian Jesus is 

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with you, so you're good. 
You know, I am comforted by the 

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fact that lesbian Jesus Ghosty 
is always near me. 

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Who wouldn't be? 
All right, shall we get into it?

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Let's do it so I I do know 
where. 

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I want to start. 
All right, this was the biggest 

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worry I had going in the Season 
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one and you corrected me, But I 
was worried that they were going

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to completely erase the 
storyline of Kitty figuring out 

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who she is and her identity. 
And now Theora pointed out that 

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it wouldn't erase her identity 
by her ending up with just MiTo,

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like going into Season 2. 
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but I was worried that the 
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be like, OK, well we gave you 
this, here is your little bit. 

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Now we're just going to 
completely ignore that storyline

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and move on with life where she 
just lives happily ever after 

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with MiTo. 
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No, and I am still happy about 
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Like, boy did we have a messy 
season with Kitty trying to 

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figure out some shit because 
that's, you know, the plot of 

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the show. 
Yeah, I was glad that they not 

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only had Kitty actually 
explicitly explore her 

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bisexuality, they had her say it
out loud multiple times that 

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that is what she is doing. 
Because often time even the word

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the phrase I'm bisexual does not
end up in media. 

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It's like this implied nebulous 
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So I'm glad that they gave good 
bisexual representation to 

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Kitty, our main protagonist, and
made it explicit. 

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So to your point, they didn't 
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weird phase or just never 
mention it. 

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They had Kitty herself 
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then as bisexual and then 
explore that in this season. 

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So regardless of who she ends up
with, like she's a bisexual 

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woman, like. 
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Yes, we got a queer protagonist 
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queerness explicitly in this 
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So like, that's a win. 
At this point, because we did 

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get that journey of her really 
just figuring out who she is and

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just not just trying stuff out, 
but like really thinking about 

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what she wants. 
It doesn't matter who she ends 

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up with that they are now free 
to do whatever the hell they 

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want. 
We've gotten more to more depth 

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to the story arc. 
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So. 
I appreciate that they have 

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established her as a bisexual 
character, period. 

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There you go. 
And like, yeah, it's like a new 

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side of her she was exploring 
because she's like, oh, I want 

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to explore this part of me that 
I didn't realize was that was 

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part of me. 
And like, that's a valid 

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journey. 
Like good for Kitty, Like And 

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she's her own voice and me, but 
like, good for her that. 

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Part of that journey brought us 
a character that I'm really glad

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we got and and just completely 
love this season, which is 

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Praveena. 
I have to say justice for 

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Praveena 'cause I feel really 
bad for her. 

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She got a lot of the sapphic 
women got screwed in not a good 

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way in the season. 
I really don't like their 

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storylines for them. 
They were dark and. 

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You know the Yeah. 
They didn't get enough screen 

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time in my opinion. 
The women who weren't like the 

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main people we've got in season 
1 definitely got screwed over, I

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would argue. 
Even Yuri got screwed over this 

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season. 
Like she got put on the back 

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burner for me. 
You know basically this season 

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and Q who got more screen time. 
I believe Dave got more of a 

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plot line too which is not a bad
thing but like I feel like Yuri 

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was in the shadows a lot of this
season so like to me her plot 

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line felt rushed. 
Oh, I think they gave her a 

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terrible plot in general though.
I'm trying to figure out which. 

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Yeah, she went through it, but I
don't think she got enough 

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screen time personally. 
I do want to stick with Praveena

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for a second because the the one
thing I wrote is loved her 

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introduction. 
She's perfect. 

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No notes deserves better. 
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whole season, Praveena is very, 
very supportive and there and 

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gives Kitty multiple chances to,
you know, be decent to her and 

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let her be truthful, which I 
mean, I think Kitty was 

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intentionally not telling her 
everything, but also I don't 

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think she fully understood like 
what her brain was doing. 

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I mean, yeah, totally. 
Girl, you are hung up on this 

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person. 
I know you don't understand that

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right now, but you are literally
staring at someone else when you

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are supposed to be on a date. 
That is not a good well, first 

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of all, first impression that's 
it's an indicator that maybe you

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should go figure out yourself 
instead of stringing someone 

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else along while you do that. 
This was the rebound 

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relationship for Kate, for 
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They both went into rebound 
relationships, like immediately.

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Immediately I I have a question 
for all the characters on the 

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show. 
Have we ever thought of just 

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being single for a little while?
We can't have that because 

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that's the crux of the show. 
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Like Kitty, have you ever 
thought of not meddling in other

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people's lives? 
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It's constantly reinforced that 
you should even though you 

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shouldn't because you're your 
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Calls all this drama 
unnecessarily. 

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She's not being malicious, but 
like, girl, boundaries. 

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Kitty doesn't understand 
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I think like she did go on a 
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understand that like once we got
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and she's like, yeah, maybe I 
this I'm making shit up and 

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like, I shouldn't. 
But then it was reinforced. 

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You were right, Kitty. 
You should meddle. 

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And it's like, no, she was just 
learning boundaries. 

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Don't. 
Tell, OK, you know what I mean? 

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It drives. 
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into the boundary and meddling 
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Yeah. 
First of all, with that, that 

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plot line, you're you're fully 
on her side. 

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Well, I was, I was fully on 
Kitty's side. 

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I mean, like, yeah, I don't 
trust her. 

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I do not. 
The minute I saw Estelle, I was 

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like, I don't trust her at all. 
Because that's what they want 

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you to think. 
That's what they want. 

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She's vicious. 
She's they I am very easily 

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influenced. 
I will think exactly what a show

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wants me to think. 
So the whole time I'm like, 

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yeah, she's suspicious. 
Why does no one else see this? 

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I know why they don't see it. 
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And then when she finally is 
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just Stella and she actually 
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You know, I'm like, come on, 
Kitty, you know better than 

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that. 
And then that's when the show is

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like, oh, no, you really. 
She really is bad. 

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So it was just kind of annoying 
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transition into it. 
This is frustrating. 

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I don't think I think the plot 
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this season. 
That's kind of like one of my 

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gripes with it because like all 
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realization and the oh, Stella 
this and that, it all happened 

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in like 10 minutes at the end. 
I was like, I feel like, Oh 

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yeah. 
More if that was the main plot 

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line because like Kitty Mino and
the Stella person is kind of 

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like a main plot line along with
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And I feel like I see some they 
have too many other characters 

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now that had their own plot 
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Not a bad thing, but it's a 30 
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So I feel like some of the main 
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fragmented more than normal. 
And you're like, Oh yeah, I 

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forgot this was a plot line we 
were doing because we haven't 

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talked about it in a while. 
So it's like I got that feeling 

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from the season versus like 
season 1 was a lot more focused 

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on Kitty while they're 
introducing the other 

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characters. 
So like the Kitty plot lines, 

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which are the the A plots were 
more cohesive because and like 

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prominent because like she was 
the focus while you're 

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introducing these other people. 
Now all the other people have 

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their own plot lines going on 
independent of Kitty. 

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And so like Kitty's plot line 
gets a little fragmented, which 

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is not a bad thing. 
It's like it's an ensemble now, 

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which is not a bad thing. 
But like I forgot some of the 

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plot lines that were going on 
because there were so many plot 

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lines. 
I feel like it's season 3. 

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I hope they kind of like rain in
the rest of the plot lines and 

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like make it feel more cohesive.
But again, Kitty's chaotic and 

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so like, it was chaotic. 
So like that, you know, it's not

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a bad thing. 
It's just like, that's my 

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personal take on it. 
It's like I felt like it was 

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harder to follow because I 
forgot some of the plot lines 

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because there were so many going
on. 

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That's, that's fair. 
I feel like there wasn't really 

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a main plot line in general 
because like, yeah, what you 

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said with Stella and and like 
the grandmothers and that whole 

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thing going on, but there really
wasn't one that was the main 

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main going throughout each 
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No eyes of all the other things 
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Like in season 1, the main 
Kitty's the main character. 

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So like the main plot was Kitty 
and her love life and then 

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Kitty's family stuff. 
In season 2, it's still Kitty 

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and her love life and you know, 
the family stuff. 

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Those are the main through plots
the whole show. 

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But it was like, Kitty's main, 
main plot line was the Mino 

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stuff because that's where it 
was all leading up to. 

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So like, in my brain, that's the
main plot they were trying to 

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weave through so they could get 
to the end. 

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You're like, yo, yeah, she's 
still in love with it. 

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Which, like, it didn't read like
that most of the time because I 

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was like, no, OK, fragmented. 
I was like, what? 

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I I know there's more to talk 
about the storylines in general,

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but can we just talk about Mino 
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relationship read very much 
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And in the first half of the 

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show, for sure, I was like, oh, 
they're just friends. 

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And like, yeah, exactly. 
Like they were like, like, no, 

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no romantic feelings have them 
now. 

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And I'm like, why was this super
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And now suddenly we're like, oh,
Kitty was in love with him the 

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whole time? 
Like I didn't get that from the 

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first half of the season. 
Because you see, when Peter 

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visits, the dynamic is exactly 
the same between her and him and

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her and Nino. 
Right. 

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Nothing change it. 
Right. 

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Exactly. 
And then everybody else was 

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like, oh, you're into him. 
And I'm like, how are you 

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getting that? 
Because like what Avril Lavigne 

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told you to. 
She's a boy. 

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He's a boy. 
She's a girl. 

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Like, where are you getting this
from? 

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Yeah, It didn't read like that. 
Like, it read more in Season 1 

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that she had they they had a 
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Season 2. 
Like the first half, I was like,

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they barely interact or they act
like siblings. 

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I was like, I don't I'm not 
getting this love story that you

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want me to buy into right now. 
Like, because you're not. 

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The characters are not giving 
that in these scenes. 

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It was weird. 
The only time you know that 

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someone's interested into 
someone else is when they do the

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slow. 
The slow motion of the staring. 

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The slow motion music in the 
background right which they. 

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Only did with Mino at the end. 
That's what I'm saying. 

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I was like, why are we only 
doing this in the last two 

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episodes? 
Nothing was in the beginning of 

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the season. 
That's what I mean. 

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The plot lights feel very 
fragmented this season where I'm

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like I'm having trouble putting 
this together. 

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I feel like maybe they got so 
excited that they were back in 

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the writers room and just kind 
of threw everything in there. 

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They're like, who has an idea? 
Throw it on the board and at the

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end they're like, all right, 
which ones are we doing? 

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And everyone's like, but we like
them all. 

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So they threw it all in the one.
Yeah, I mean, it could be that 

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also. 
Like I feel like maybe they were

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like we got to deal with the 
Yuri stuff and I'm like, but did

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you deal with the Yuri and Kitty
stuff? 

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I feel like that wasn't actually
dealt with. 

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No, they OK, so get this is 
everything for so for the people

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listening this all of this is 
what we're saying. 

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I still love this show, even 
what I'm about to say. 

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Yeah, not saying this is a bad 
show or anything. 

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It's just like this is our take 
on season 2. 

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Like season 1 was super fun and 
like, but that was the intro to 

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everybody and now we're like 
season 2, everybody's 

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established and we're like in 
the drama. 

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But I feel like the drama didn't
drama the way they wanted us to 

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sometimes. 
And I'm like. 

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Yeah, this is just their 
thoughts about the storylines. 

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I personally, you can watch my 
reactions to it. 

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I'll say some of the stuff that 
I'm saying now. 

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And also like, I love this. 
I love her so much while I'm 

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critiquing what the hell she's 
doing. 

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Because you know, that's how you
watch TV. 

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That's how you go through life 
too. 

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No one's perfect. 
No show is perfect either. 

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But no, I I overall I really do 
love this show with the humor 

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and it is fast-paced though. 
I mean, 30 minute episodes, 

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which I like, bring that back. 
I'm fine with it. 

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It just there was a lot. 
It was a lot. 

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It was like a lot going on this 
season. 

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So sometimes it was like hard to
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they would just jump and stick 
with one and then yeah, so 

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that's just a me thing. 
Like, I don't know. 

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And then? 
Felt differently. 

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It's fun. 
It seems like every storyline 

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brought in another character 
rather than having the 

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storylines be connected to each 
other so they could have rest. 

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That's true. 
I like Eunice though. 

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I'm with them bringing Eunice. 
I thought she was great. 

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That that's days girl, right? 
Yeah. 

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And day deserves happiness. 
Oh my gosh. 

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OK. 
A lot. 

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You were jumping but like day 
day. 

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I'm sorry day because I say this
in my reactions too. 

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I kept forgetting about you and 
I feel bad about that because 

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you deserve better too. 
Because he was being. 

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Used by Mary and then he just 
kind of got screwed over by 

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Kitty and just because she was 
trying to figure her stuff out 

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and she realized that she wasn't
in today anymore. 

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But Day needs somebody that was 
on his level and could really 

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bring out the best in him. 
So he needed someone that was 

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still confident and outgoing, 
like Kitty, but just maybe was 

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focused on him. 
And she definitely fulfilled 

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that part, except when they kind
of ruined it. 

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And I believe it was the finale 
where they tried to like bring a

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rift into it. 
Well, OK, so they were, their 

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plot line was the singing 
competition or whatever. 

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So they have a big thing in 
common that they do. 

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And they started as like a duo, 
an act like, you know, dancing 

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duo, singing, dancing, dancing 
duo. 

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And then Mino's dad, who's 
actually the villain of the 

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season was like, hey, no duos. 
It's solo artist. 

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Only one person can win. 
He breaks them up and then they 

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have them do media training. 
And the question comes up the 

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day who's awkward as fuck is 
like, I need a lot of media 

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training. 
Help me. 

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And then Nino's like, they ask 
him, it's Nino and Kitty. 

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And they're like, OK, well, are 
you in a relationship? 

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And he's like, yeah, I have a 
girlfriend. 

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And Nino's like, listen, fans 
like to fanfiction you with 

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other people. 
So you can't. 

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This was the writers snitching 
on fan culture and being like, 

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you can't. 
You got to be vague about this 

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because fans like stripping 
celebrities, so like, you can't 

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be super truthful about this. 
So then when they he they get 

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asked the question later when 
Eunice and Day are together and 

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he's like, I'm single and she's 
like, I have a boyfriend. 

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Like their media training was 
different and that causes the 

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rift. 
But like, I mean, and is that 

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not a depiction of like what 
these celebrities and actors go 

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through where like they can't 
actually be truthful about their

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personal lives or their fans get
offended and then because they 

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can't ship them with their 
acting partners or singing 

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partners or whatever. 
So like, it was a it was a 

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commentary on that, which I 
liked. 

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But yeah, it like, that's the 
sacrifice that like, sometimes 

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like artists have to do like for
their careers. 

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And like, look at the 
implication of this where like 

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she's like, Oh well, shit, you 
know what I mean? 

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But they didn't have the 
conversation to be like, hey, 

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how was your media training 
going? 

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You know what I mean? 
Yeah, I mean, that's a really 

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random conversation to have when
it's not doesn't come up 

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naturally. 
Yeah, why would it? 

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But it's also quite interesting.
She won the competition at the 

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end and not yeah, I did like 
that. 

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I was like good, good. 
She deserved it. 

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She worked her ass off and I 
liked that she was a character 

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who like had ambition and a 
whole ass plot outside of love, 

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which is not Kitty. 
I was like, yes, somebody who's 

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like driven and wants to be 
successful and like I liked her 

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as a character a lot. 
I liked Eudus a lot. 

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What if in season 3 she was like
do I like Kitty? 

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No, I don't like Kitty. 
No, I don't want that at all. 

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I want Eunice to keep doing her 
thing. 

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No, I'm just kidding. 
But just be like, because you 

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said that, then it's going to 
happen. 

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Speak that into existence. 
Oh yeah, So happy. 

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I was happy for Day. 
He got like, he did a lot of 

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growth because when we started 
the beginning, like everybody's 

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in love with Kitty, Kitty's in 
love with everybody, including 

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Day. 
So I like that he got to the end

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where he like, he actually moved
on versus like everybody was 

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trying to move on in a way. 
Like Kitty and Nino were trying 

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to move on. 
So they rebounded but didn't 

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work out. 
But then Day napped. 

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He like, he had one of those 
plots where like he wasn't 

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looking for love, but it it like
organically happened where 

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they're at the club and he like 
just starts talking to these 

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girls and then it just 
organically happens, which 

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that's life. 
Like honestly, you find love 

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when you're not looking for it. 
When you're looking for it, 

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it's. 
It doesn't always come up, but 

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like, I like that his plot line 
was just like, oh, I happen to 

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meet you organically. 
We happen to have things in 

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common. 
Like I was like very happy for 

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him versus like, I feel like he 
easily could have had the plot 

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line where he tries to move on 
and just isn't. 

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He could have had Kitty Amina 
spotlight where he's just not in

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it. 
And like, you end up hurting 

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somebody else in the process of 
like, but he did it. 

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He had a Oh yeah. 
His romantic plot line was I 

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liked his spotlight a lot in 
contrast to the other ones going

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on really nicely. 
Which he deserves because he got

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screwed the most. 
And see that one. 

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He really did. 
He deserves so much. 

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And then you get that episode at
the club where. 

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The girls are actually. 
Interested in his story and he's

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so surprised that they want to 
hear more about everything. 

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And it's just seeing him be 
supportive, supported by other 

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characters and being uplifted 
because he really doesn't have 

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as much confidence. 
You see him more withdrawing 

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with like you don't really see 
him hold himself straight up. 

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It it takes a lot for him and I 
feel like he was kind of beaten 

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down a little bit from his 
relationship with Kitty, 

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especially when he realizes that
his best friend went after his 

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ex 30 minutes after they broke 
up, which is insane. 

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Yes, Mina. 
Yeah, at least. 

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We're weak, dude. 
I know that was really fucked 

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up, but that club sequence was 
awesome though. 

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So like this. 
So not only in this season do we

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get Kitty being a bisexual 
disaster, we also get the queer 

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club that they all go to like, 
which was super cute and fun and

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I'm glad they had that in there.
Like you know we had Yuri and 

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her girl showed up and then Q 
finds his new man which plus 

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minus on that relationship for. 
Me, you know what with Q and 

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Jin, at the very least they did 
talk about how they were 

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feeling. 
It took there was a point where 

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it they weren't sure and Jin was
kind of holding back. 

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But he does talk to him about 
like, oh, this is what is 

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happening. 
This is what's going on. 

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This is why I behaved the way I 
did and acted that way towards 

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you before we were even 
together. 

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So I did like that it was 
showing teens that communication

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part of the relationship. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Also, they were the only ones 
who made it out of that ski trip

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in a better place. 
Yeah, no, I didn't. 

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Yeah. 
Ultimately they had a good arc. 

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Like their relationship was, it 
was good overall but what I 

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didn't like about it is a pork 
queue went from season 1 where 

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he gets screwed over by his 
boyfriend and then immediately 

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gets into a new relationship 
immediately when the season 

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starts and gets screwed over 
immediate. 

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So I didn't like that for him 
where he was just getting 

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screwed over and then gets 
screwed over again immediately. 

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Like I didn't like that part. 
But like, overall, their 

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relationship evolved into 
something real, like you said, 

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where they communicated, 
supported each other, that kind 

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of stuff, which was which was 
good. 

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But yeah, I just hated that for 
Q. 

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I'm like, again, he's back here 
again. 

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This poor man is cursed. 
Q Yeah. 

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Q&A are the best type men. 
Yeah. 

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They are there to support their 
friends even when they have 

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their own stuff going on too. 
In in this season, you see Kitty

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always texting. 
Q&Q has so much shit going on 

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himself and you actually kind of
see him not a breaking point per

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SE, but start to be more stern 
with Kitty too, 'cause like, I 

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think he's the only one who's 
really saying that. 

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Like, come on, this is this is a
lot. 

452
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,040
This is you should not be doing 
this. 

453
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,920
And he's finally like, no, I'm 
not doing that. 

454
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,320
He's the only one that sets 
boundaries with her. 

455
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,600
Like when she tries to like 
butt, when she tries to butt 

456
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000
into his stuff, he's like no 
stop. 

457
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,400
Like he's the only one that puts
boundaries up with her. 

458
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,440
Everybody else, like, kind of 
lets her run the show. 

459
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,920
So we need a therapy episode. 
I know I talked about therapy in

460
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
every single episode we do, but 
it's because they all need to 

461
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:34,200
learn. 
But yeah, yeah, they need a 

462
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,160
boundary learning episode. 
Yeah, they do all. 

463
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,080
Right, trying to figure out 
where, Where should we talk 

464
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,440
about next? 
Can we talk about the fact that 

465
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,680
they insisted on making them all
roommates in season in episode 

466
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,200
1? 
Oh my gosh, hold on. 1st. 

467
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,520
Of all, I'm pretty sure in 
episode 1 Kitty's like, oh, I 

468
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,720
have a single and then they're 
just like and they like just 

469
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:10,280
kidding you're rooming with Yuri
and Juliana Oh yeah and Stella. 

470
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600
So you go from thinking that 
you're in a room alone and to 

471
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,360
having. 
Three. 

472
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
That's a lot. 
That's a lot. 

473
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,840
That's sounds awful, even if you
know the people you're expecting

474
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,840
to be able to live alone. 
Yeah, that sucks. 

475
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,280
But yeah, they were really 
taking that. 

476
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,520
And they were roommates, too. 
Far Yeah, I know they like it 

477
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,480
literally made them all 
roommates, which I laughed at, 

478
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,440
but I was like. 
There was a point, I think it 

479
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,600
might have been in the first 
episode, Like, are they just 

480
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,960
going to put the three of them 
together? 

481
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,240
I mean, I'm still trying to do 
that. 

482
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,520
I'm trying to like consciously 
get all the characters together 

483
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,320
but I'm waiting for it. 
I just need one show to do it at

484
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,440
this point so I can shut up 
about it. 

485
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,840
You gotta go watch the Wheel of 
Time. 

486
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,720
You'll get polyamory for sure. 
It's built into the story. 

487
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
I think that that would be too 
messy a relationship. 

488
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,440
They all don't and somewhat I 
just want them to have one 

489
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,880
character be single for a while.
I know that there has to be like

490
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,400
the relationship drama for the 
show to show, but one of the 

491
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,320
characters can be single. 
Someone needs to grow on their 

492
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,880
own. 
I feel like that's going to be 

493
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,760
furry in season 3. 
I hope so for her because you're

494
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,040
right, we did not see too much 
of her. 

495
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,320
No. 
And her plot points in this 

496
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,160
episode, in the season, we're 
kind of infuriating. 

497
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Yeah, I agree. 
I'll get into that after some 

498
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,920
shout outs for our Chaos crew 
over on Patreon. 

499
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,640
OK, so we're saving Gary Till 
later. 

500
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440
Yeah, just just until after 
those shout outs. 

501
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,680
We. 
All right, let's talk about two 

502
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,320
O 4 where they had Kitty's 
letter surfaces while they're at

503
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,400
the cabin. 
Oh, I was just going to do shout

504
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:00,960
outs now. 
Oh. 

505
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,760
OK, whatever. 
Sure. 

506
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:12,160
All right, so thank you Chaos 
crew. 

507
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Our Chaos Crew members on the 
Big Gay writer died here and 

508
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,760
above are Dana W, Caroline R, 
Amix Monzo and under score multi

509
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,680
Natalia, Danny Kossie M Here for
it, Jill L, Regina B and Monet F

510
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,880
And our featured Big Gay 
supporter members for this 

511
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,160
episode are K Yoshi, Jada and 
Baby Shark. 

512
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,920
There's a lot of K. 
'S I know there's a lot of K. 

513
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520
Thank you so much for all your 
support and thank you to 

514
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080
everyone who supports us, 
whether it's on Patreon or 

515
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,000
wherever you support us, whether
it's through connecting on 

516
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760
social media, watching, 
listening, reviewing, 

517
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,240
subscribing, commenting below, 
all the things we really 

518
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,560
appreciate any way you do that 
and join our Discord so you can 

519
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,400
talk queer media with us and. 
All. 

520
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Of our other Discord members who
enjoy queer content and are so 

521
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
excited to talk about it because
that's why we're here. 

522
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480
We get too excited and we just 
need to talk about it with 

523
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,960
someone. 
That's the place to do it. 

524
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,840
That's right. 
All right. 

525
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:25,920
Let's get back to XO Kitty. 
So, Yuri, should we go back to 

526
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Yuri wherever? 
We want to go just you did. 

527
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:37,040
You're you're in charge. 
OK so Yuri, I did not expect 

528
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Yuri to actually be into Kitty 
this season but the way they did

529
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,240
it was a little frustrating 
because they had her realize it 

530
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,440
in the beginning of 1 episode 
and then by the end of the 

531
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:56,440
episode she was kissing Kitty. 
It was very fast. 

532
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,800
I feel like she only liked Kitty
in that one episode and then it 

533
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880
that was your disappearing 
queerness was the Yuri Kitty 

534
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400
thing. 
It like, I guess Yuri was like, 

535
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,320
oh, I guess maybe I like her. 
And then she kissed her and then

536
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,960
it was over. 
Like we never revisit that plot 

537
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
line again. 
Like from Yuri's point of view 

538
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160
specifically. 
You never come back to that. 

539
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Yeah, And then after that, she's
like, maybe we can be friends 

540
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760
again one day. 
And like, stopped being friends 

541
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,440
with Kitty. 
It was weird. 

542
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,600
It was the most. 
It was weird. 

543
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,600
It was very weird. 
You're just. 

544
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Oh my gosh, sorry, plot point. 
It was a very plot line. 

545
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,720
It was so quick. 
It was it was definitely there 

546
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,360
just to cause issues at the ski 
trip. 

547
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Yeah, like, yeah, I think Yuri 
was the drama point for Kitty. 

548
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,520
With no payoff on Yuri's end, it
basically blew up her 

549
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,040
relationship of ex. 
I forget how many years they 

550
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,280
were together. 
Like they were together for a 

551
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,240
while. 
Like Yuri. 

552
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Yuri and Juliana created not a 
perfect, they're children not a 

553
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,280
perfect relationship. 
Like they have their problems. 

554
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,520
A year, OK. 
About a year prior spring, she 

555
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,680
told her that Yuri told Juliana 
that she liked her. 

556
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800
OK, so about a year they were 
together then they're already 

557
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,960
living together. 
That was crazy. 

558
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,600
So anyway, they not a perfect 
relationship. 

559
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,640
They have their own problems to 
work work through or not because

560
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,560
they're children. 
But like the Kitty thing from 

561
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680
Yuri's point of view came out of
nowhere honestly. 

562
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520
And like I don't even know why 
Yuri kissed her to be honest, 

563
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,960
because it was just weird. 
And so like basically it was an 

564
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600
excuse to break up Jury and 
Juliana. 

565
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520
It was basically what it was 
because then it from like Yuri's

566
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,320
point of view, the thing happens
with Kitty relapse of judgement 

567
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,680
from her point of view, or she's
like, Oh, I just I wasn't 

568
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,640
thinking. 
I just was feeling things. 

569
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Whatever did it blew up my 
relationship. 

570
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Who am I without this 
relationship? 

571
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,920
So then she flips out and she's 
like, I got to get the 

572
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,320
relationship back because she's 
losing control of this big 

573
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,120
aspect of her life. 
So then she's like, fuck off, 

574
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Kitty. 
I got to get my girlfriend back 

575
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,440
because you're partially 
responsible for why this why I 

576
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,280
lost her. 
So like, come on now. 

577
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
But like they don't have enough 
conversations for like there to 

578
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,000
be they kind of payout to this 
whole thing like Yuri and Kitty,

579
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040
like they're they don't really 
interact a ton after that. 

580
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,400
No, did not talk about feelings 
whatsoever. 

581
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,080
No, it was just weird. 
It was very, very weird. 

582
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,040
And I don't. 
Know what they're visiting No, 

583
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,400
they probably won't because it's
not important now. 

584
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,040
It was literally just there to 
break them up create that the 

585
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960
big issue during the ski trip, 
which was a whole it's a whole 

586
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,320
another story. 
You can talk about that if you 

587
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,640
want in in a a little bit. 
That first of all, that 

588
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,680
episode's funny, but there was 
no point to it. 

589
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,200
I mean, I love that we visited 
it, but I wish we would have 

590
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,840
actually made something out of 
it rather than just gloss over 

591
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360
that whole plot point. 
And again, it's probably for 

592
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520
time. 
We had 10 episodes last season. 

593
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,200
We have 8 this season and we're 
still trying. 

594
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
I think we were trying to cram 
it even more than the first 

595
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,040
season. 
That's what I'm saying the first

596
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,720
season. 
We stayed with that triangle for

597
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
a while this season. 
Kitty's in love with something, 

598
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,160
someone new, every single 
episode. 

599
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,280
Like, literally yeah. 
Does it start? 

600
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840
It starts with the episode, ends
with the episode, and then we're

601
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,320
on to someone new, right? 
And like with Yuri and Kitty, 

602
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,720
it's like by the end they're 
friends again without really 

603
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040
talking. 
It was just very like, their 

604
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,680
whole thing was super fragmented
and just weird. 

605
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
And then by the end, Yuri's just
by herself. 

606
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Like she has her like step 
brother, cousin. 

607
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,720
I forget what his relationship 
is. 

608
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,960
Half brother, half brother. 
Yeah, step brother. 

609
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,600
They share the same mom and the 
the head. 

610
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,880
The principal now is his dad. 
So she has her step brother but 

611
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
she doesn't have anything else 
at all. 

612
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,400
So she's completely alone and 
like I guess her and Kitty are 

613
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,800
friends maybe? 
So like going into season 3, 

614
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,240
she's going to have a hell of a 
plot line is what I'm saying. 

615
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,520
But we also see her. 
Or not treat her half. 

616
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,880
Brother very well this season 
'cause it was always like she's 

617
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,080
only cared about her life and 
again you you've talked about in

618
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760
other shows how these are 
teenagers they are in the me, 

619
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760
me, me part of their life 
whereas her half brother is an 

620
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,840
adult and is in the oh you care 
about other people now part of 

621
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,320
his life. 
So I'm hoping season 3, yeah, 

622
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,560
she'll start trying to figure 
out herself and her life and she

623
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,800
has a lot of family issues going
on right now with her, like the 

624
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,520
big lawsuit, because that's 
going to be huge. 

625
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,720
She has. 
No money, She has no money so 

626
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,920
she's going to be forced to do 
this is what I'm saying. 

627
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,960
The writers are forcing her into
a self reflection arc because 

628
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
she's by herself. 
She's isolated, she has nothing 

629
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,520
she's going to have to change 
because her circumstances are 

630
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,679
completely her circumstances did
a 180 from the beginning of the 

631
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,400
episode, the beginning of the 
seat, the show really until now 

632
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960
where she was like had money, 
she was admired, she had a 

633
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,440
girlfriend, she had a family, 
all she had all the things on 

634
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,840
paper. 
And now here she is in a 

635
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,679
completely different situation. 
So yeah, her her she. 

636
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,159
I feel like she will be the 
single character that has to 

637
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,840
self reflect if they even give 
her scenes because I'm worried 

638
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,960
about her getting screen time. 
She barely got screen time this 

639
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,400
season. 
I hope that all the external 

640
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,600
characters except maybe 
Praveena. 

641
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,080
I do. 
I do. 

642
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,320
I keep her. 
I loved her. 

643
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,480
I. 
Enjoyed Praveena, She added 

644
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,360
chemistry and vibes to the 
season I. 

645
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Yeah, she did. 
I like her with Juliana. 

646
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,159
I don't not like them together. 
I think that makes sense. 

647
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,240
Had an issue with Juliana only 
because I'm pretty sure that's 

648
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,720
the that's the way the show is 
trying to make you think about 

649
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,880
Juliana. 
Because again, that's the one 

650
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920
pulling Kitty and Yuri apart, 
even though they're not 

651
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,600
together. 
She's definitely. 

652
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Juliana was getting screwed. 
Yeah, Juliana was getting 

653
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,920
screwed over, and she was right 
to be. 

654
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,840
What's the word? 
Insert suspicious. 

655
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
Yeah, suspicious. 
Yeah, Juliana was right. 

656
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,920
So like, jealous. 
Yeah. 

657
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,000
And so like at the end when 
you're like, wow, Juliana, you 

658
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,760
moved on so fast. 
But like, did she? 

659
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Her and Yuri were having 
problems for a while. 

660
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,360
Like it really isn't out of 
nowhere. 

661
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,160
And she knew that Praveena knew 
it. 

662
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
But anyway, like because like 
that was my initial reaction to 

663
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,280
watching her with Praveena at 
the dance. 

664
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,000
And I was like, damn, that was 
fast. 

665
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,600
But like really, when you look 
back at that whole their whole 

666
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,200
relationship and like the Kitty 
Yuri stuff, like they were 

667
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,280
having problems for a while and 
I think that like Yuri didn't 

668
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,720
see it really or recognize it. 
But Juliana was like has been 

669
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,400
suspicious of like Kitty like 
the whole and the Kitty and Yuri

670
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,880
the whole time. 
So like. 

671
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,160
For, for, for her point, this 
was. 

672
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
This has been eroding, our 
relationship has been eroding. 

673
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,560
And I think for Yuri, she never 
saw it because she didn't 

674
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,440
realize she was into Kitty or 
wasn't actually into Kitty. 

675
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Like we still confirmation. 
We don't know that because we 

676
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
never got Yuri's point of view 
of the Kitty situation. 

677
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,880
She just ran away from it really
quickly. 

678
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080
So like, did she like Kitty? 
Did she not like Kitty? 

679
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
We don't really know. 
But like Julia was like, 

680
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,960
something's going on here. 
And so like their relationship 

681
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,360
had been eroding for quite some 
time. 

682
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,200
So for her to like, find 
somebody else pretty quickly 

683
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,960
after them breaking out, it 
makes sense from her point of 

684
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,280
view. 
From Yuri's point of view, it 

685
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,920
doesn't make any sense because 
Yuri didn't In exile. 

686
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,120
I gave so many signs. 
I didn't see any of the signs. 

687
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Like Yuri didn't see anything, 
and then she's like, what 

688
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,800
happened? 
Like. 

689
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,920
That is a great point. 
That is a great song to point 

690
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,560
out for it too. 
That is definitely them. 

691
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Because you see Juliana even say
in conversations on the phone in

692
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,520
the previous season, joking 
around that she should be 

693
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,640
worried about Kitty, right? 
And then immediately as she when

694
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,960
she steps off the plane, like, 
yeah, you're going to be on 

695
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960
edge. 
Because this girl who is very 

696
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,880
confident and is always meddling
and is always in the way of 

697
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680
other people's relationships. 
And you're already suspicious of

698
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,200
here She's. 
Now coming out as by so now 

699
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,680
she's even more of a. 
Of a threat? 

700
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, of a threat. 

701
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,120
So yeah, she saw it from the 
beginning. 

702
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,160
You see her be suspicious from 
the very beginning, and it's to 

703
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,800
Kitty, it's probably annoying, 
and that's probably the view 

704
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,320
we're getting of Juliana doing 
this. 

705
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,960
But you can't blame her at all 
because Kitty's doing exactly 

706
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,520
what she's saying is. 
Yeah. 

707
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,920
And then also with Provina. 
Provina was never really with 

708
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Kitty, and she knew it. 
Kitty. 

709
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,360
And they were just talking. 
They weren't even, like, 

710
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,360
officially dating. 
Well, they were like, trying to 

711
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,200
interfere. 
Yeah. 

712
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640
She's like, yeah, this is not 
going anywhere. 

713
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,800
Well, yeah, She's like, you 
can't be talking to me. 

714
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,120
And then like you're like, she's
like you're clearly hung up on 

715
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,240
somebody else. 
So like, why are let's not even 

716
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,760
bother? 
And then so like Juliana and 

717
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,760
Pravina were just like the who's
been personally victimized by 

718
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Kitty song Covey club and like, 
that's how they get together. 

719
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,720
And but like, they make sense 
together because they're like. 

720
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,680
They do. 
They make more sense. 

721
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,640
I think that, you know, Yuri and
Juliana were the, you were my 

722
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,960
high school girlfriend. 
We didn't make it like 99% of 

723
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,520
high school couples. 
And that's OK. 

724
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,800
I think that Yuri needs to go on
a journey and figure out who the

725
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,440
hell she is because I don't 
think she's done that. 

726
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,560
I think, well, I think because 
her circumstances are going to 

727
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,320
be completely different. 
She needs to figure out who she 

728
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,720
is like without the money, 
without being tethered to 

729
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Juliana with, you know, all that
stuff. 

730
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
And I think that perhaps her 
plot line will be relevant 

731
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,920
because it's tied today because 
it's his dad's part of the clash

732
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,800
action lawsuit. 
So maybe but. 

733
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,760
Yeah, we'll see. 
Between them, I don't think it 

734
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,080
would just because. 
No, I don't mean like affect 

735
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,880
them. 
I mean like the plot line will 

736
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,040
be prominent because it's going 
to be part of Day's plot line 

737
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,840
and therefore she'll get screen 
time. 

738
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,480
That's what I mean. 
I don't mean cause a rift 

739
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,760
between them or anything like 
that. 

740
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440
I just mean like, because like 
her independent plot line this 

741
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
season I feel like was very put 
on the back burner. 

742
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
But if she's tethered to Day, 
who got more screen time, she'll

743
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,560
get more screen time. 
That's all. 

744
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,920
I mean, I don't mean a rift 
between them or anything like 

745
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400
that. 
It is weird that she didn't get 

746
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,600
more screen time since she did 
get so much in season 1 because.

747
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
She was tethered to Kitty and 
once she got out of Kitty's 

748
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,720
orbit, you have to be in Kitty's
orbit to get screen time because

749
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,720
Kitty's the main character. 
So that's why I like worry for 

750
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Yuri. 
Like will she have an arc? 

751
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,080
Who knows. 
I think if she's tethered today,

752
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,920
maybe in the plot line, but. 
I mean, who knows what they're 

753
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,400
gonna do? 
Maybe they'll do another who has

754
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,880
an idea for the season and then 
throw it all together. 

755
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Yeah, who knows, Maybe the clash
action policy will be solved by 

756
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
the time we start the show. 
Like, who knows? 

757
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,720
Yeah. 
Because there might be that time

758
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,680
job through summer and maybe 
there's, I mean, class is a long

759
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,200
time, but. 
It's, it's a made-up land, 

760
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Caitlin. 
They might. 

761
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,120
I know, I know, it's a made-up 
land. 

762
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,880
OK. 
I'm trying to be realistic. 

763
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,080
They're like. 
Oh, Kitty. 

764
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,200
Your scholarship's out. 
And then in 5 minutes they're 

765
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,800
like, just kidding, here's a 
second one. 

766
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Like, you know what I mean? 
They might do that stuff and 

767
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,560
you're like, OK, yeah, Kitty 
wasn't going to come back to the

768
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,080
school then what's the show 
about? 

769
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,360
Like, come on. 
My suggestion was everybody goes

770
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,400
to an American school and then 
it's a shit shell. 

771
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,640
Do you imagine that? 
Oh my gosh, in this America, no,

772
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,880
they should not be coming here. 
No, I'm like do not come back. 

773
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,400
Do not come back. 
Stay there. 

774
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,480
And they'll come back, stay 
there. 

775
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,280
Did you have any other thoughts 
about Stella this? 

776
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Show season. 
Was she the villain? 

777
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,840
That's my question. 
Because really, Nino's dad's the

778
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,600
villain. 
Because if he wasn't a horrible 

779
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,680
human being, we wouldn't have 
this revenge mission. 

780
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:17,120
Like, like, OK, but that's to 
say I consider with the way what

781
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:23,080
happened is that she was on a 
show similar to like American 

782
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Idol, something like that as a 
tribe. 

783
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,520
As a child. 
OK, yes, as a yeah child, minor 

784
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,040
child with a dream, that is a 
good thing to remember then 

785
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:42,880
because it's fine. 
And he says I don't know exactly

786
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,480
what. 
He basically said you're, you're

787
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,560
talented at singing, but you're 
ugly so therefore you cannot 

788
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,000
pursue your dreams. 
That's literally what he tells 

789
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,080
her as like this man who like 
has all the power to make or 

790
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,040
break you in this industry. 
And like you literally told a 

791
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
child that. 
And it's like glorifying the 

792
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,760
whole Simon Cowell, like being 
rude as fuck to people, which 

793
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,320
look what the damage that that 
does to to real people. 

794
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,400
These aren't actors. 
These are actual people who are 

795
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560
trying to get a job. 
And like, this is how you're 

796
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,040
treating them. 
It's a child who's 

797
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,160
impressionable and has a dream. 
And like, here he is doing this 

798
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
thing and being like, you're, 
you're talented but ugly, 

799
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,360
therefore you'll never make it. 
And she's like, but I was told 

800
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,040
that beauty comes from the 
inside. 

801
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,840
You know the lie we tell 
children to make him feel better

802
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,320
and like she believed that and 
he's like, Nope, that's a lie. 

803
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Basically your whole life's a 
lie. 

804
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200
You're never going to make it. 
And then she's like, fuck you, 

805
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,640
yes, I will make it. 
And that's basically her plot 

806
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,280
line. 
So I'm like, I understand where 

807
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,960
she like I empathize with her 
plot line. 

808
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Like I think that that's not 
unreasonable to be really pissed

809
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,800
off about this and make it your 
life mission to be like, I can 

810
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,480
make it despite you and then try
to bring him down. 

811
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,880
I'm like, I mean, is that not 
mob boss's flat line and the US 

812
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200
the series like I only way worse
like. 

813
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:02,360
Way worse that is true. 
I mean that one OK no that one 

814
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,240
see the US storyline I think is 
deserved. 

815
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,440
This one. 
Just because he beaded her down 

816
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,880
with words, it doesn't mean like
she can blackmail and go through

817
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,320
the family like that. 
I I don't think that that's a 

818
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,880
pass. 
I still think it's a pass. 

819
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,320
I'm saying I understand her plot
line and I'm like, I understand 

820
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,400
how we get here with her. 
And then it's kind of a cop out 

821
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,760
for at the end for him to be 
like, now that I have a son 

822
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,360
who's fucked up royally. 
I understand. 

823
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,840
It took me 30 years but I get it
now. 

824
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,920
At least he apologized to her. 
But still it's like too little 

825
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,600
till April. 
Like how many other like Esther 

826
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,920
slash Stella's did you live? 
Did you ruin also, You know what

827
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,280
I mean? 
I'm like, you've been doing this

828
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,160
for decades. 
Like how many other Stella's out

829
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,080
there are there that you like 
ruin their lives? 

830
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,880
But again, from like your for 
your what you're saying like 

831
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,840
from her point of view too, It's
like you're not entitled to 

832
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,080
being a star just because you 
want to be or just because you 

833
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,360
dream of something doesn't mean 
you're automatically going to 

834
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,360
get it. 
But for to have somebody to be 

835
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,840
like you'll never get it just 
because you're ugly is really as

836
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,200
a child is like what a damaging 
thing to hear. 

837
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Also, like, so I understand her 
motivation for all of this and 

838
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,640
then being so desperate about 
it. 

839
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,400
And like, again, like the this 
was a revenge plot line where 

840
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,200
like her circumstance, it could 
have been worth it from her 

841
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,160
personally. 
Because like if she had gotten 

842
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,080
to be a star, like then her 
circumstances change and the 

843
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,920
revenge is kind of worth it from
her point of view versus just 

844
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,640
like the satisfaction of taking 
you down. 

845
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,840
That doesn't change your 
circumstances at all, which was 

846
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,760
us the series. 
So yeah, revenge is messy. 

847
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,720
I just like, I get where she's 
coming from. 

848
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,960
I do. 
I just think about like if all 

849
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,920
the people that Simon Cowell has
said things to were to like try 

850
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,600
and blackmail him. 
It's just. 

851
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760
But like, here's the deal 
though, maybe us as the people 

852
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,280
watching these shows shouldn't 
be glorifying people like Simon 

853
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Cowell because look at the 
damage it's doing to actual 

854
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640
human beings. 
Like we're all culprits on this.

855
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Well, I mean, I never liked. 
I didn't. 

856
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,240
I mean like the. 
People who watching it, that 

857
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,040
made it popular, yeah. 
That's what I mean. 

858
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,840
We're all complicit in this 
culture where we tear each other

859
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,320
down for things that are out of 
your control. 

860
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,440
Now you're saying all these 
things and it seems like there 

861
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
is a lot of commentary on the 
entertainment space I. 

862
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Think so in. 
This season, because it's 

863
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,280
definitely, I mean, we have the 
the class about entertainment 

864
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,720
business and you see how corrupt
it is. 

865
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Yeah, everything he's teaching 
them like, oh, keep her in the 

866
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,720
thing because she's terrible. 
And they're like, what? 

867
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,400
Prop up the person. 
We want to win. 

868
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Yeah. 
So no, it's not. 

869
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,800
I mean, it's like it is a great 
commentary. 

870
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Here's the corruption, too, that
it's like all of this is 

871
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,280
centering around nepotism, which
is like, we have to prop up my 

872
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,440
son's act. 
It's all adaptatism. 

873
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,800
Yeah. 
This is a huge commentary in the

874
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,520
entertainment industry which I 
personally liked through like 

875
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,400
the kids simulus quote UN quote 
simulating this kind of thing. 

876
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,440
And then you see you, Yeah, you 
see it how it is for like the 

877
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,560
normal people trying, working so
hard to get where they want to 

878
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:26,560
be, but then also the people who
are at the top and you see the 

879
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,280
the brother who got a girl 
pregnant and oh, no, he can't be

880
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,480
with her, but he wants to be 
with her and he's in love with 

881
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,240
her. 
So like, that's that was 

882
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,880
Stella's blackmail. 
And they have to come out 

883
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,920
publicly on stage because they 
don't they have to get rid of 

884
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,400
the leverage that she has on 
them. 

885
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,480
So they're not even able to do 
this on their own terms. 

886
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,880
First of all, that whole, That 
whole. 

887
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Episode was so rushed because 
all of this is like explained 

888
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,320
and accepted very quickly. 
Yes, yeah. 

889
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,720
We could have we could have 
easily had this plot line go in 

890
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,080
the season 3 and I get that they
didn't know if they were going 

891
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,160
to get another season. 
So I do appreciate them 

892
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,960
wrapping. 
Yeah, that's. 

893
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,320
Fair. 
That is fair, That is fair. 

894
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,240
But we could, we could have had 
the storyline go into the next, 

895
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,320
like wrap it up in a way that it
could be like, Oh my gosh, what 

896
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
would happen? 
Or maybe they could have had 

897
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,440
come to an agreement where 
Stella would keep quiet if 

898
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,360
something happened. 
Basically, they're still in the 

899
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
blackmail territory, like she 
didn't win. 

900
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,840
Or they could have had the 
competition go into the next 

901
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,920
season and it would just be 
something like, okay, I feel 

902
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,920
like we had to feel like, is 
Kitty coming back? 

903
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,880
They had to get to the Kitty 
back to Kitty stuff. 

904
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,560
So they had to get yeah, that's 
fair. 

905
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,560
They could have spaced this out 
more like introduce the brother 

906
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,240
stuff earlier in the season. 
And yeah, that's what I mean, 

907
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,200
They didn't space out the plot 
lines really well. 

908
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,280
They just felt fragmented 
because we spent a lot of time 

909
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,640
in one plot line and we had to 
put other plot lines in the back

910
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,040
burner. 
And then when you get back, 

911
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,320
time's jumping, so you're like. 
Yeah, we spend half the show 

912
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,640
with the oh, my dad's never 
around. 

913
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,760
Exactly. 
We spent way too much time. 

914
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,360
Oh, I should spend time with 
him, repair that relationship 

915
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
and like, Oh my gosh, no, it's 
the brother this whole time. 

916
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,880
And oh, oh, no, your brother was
having issues and that's why. 

917
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
But I couldn't tell his brother 
that. 

918
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,360
Like, it's not like it was a 
stranger or a friend, an 

919
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,040
outsider. 
It was literally his brother. 

920
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,560
So he he should have been able 
to communicate that with Mino 

921
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,960
that, oh, this is going on, I 
have to be there. 

922
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Yeah, but they don't talk. 
It's kind of the thing. 

923
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,720
It's like the dad, their whole 
situation. 

924
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,160
Is that the dad isolated the 
older brother and was like, 

925
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,720
you're joining the family 
business, which is entertainment

926
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,560
and then Mino gets forgotten. 
So the Mino is really like 

927
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,400
estranged from the rest of his. 
He doesn't have a relationship 

928
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200
with his brother or his dad. 
So like that's why they're not 

929
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,320
talking. 
And so like at the end, it's 

930
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,440
like after the dad realizes the 
errors of his ways, the brother 

931
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,040
is free because like the reason 
he wasn't coming clean about 

932
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,200
like the woman he's in love with
is because dad's like, that'll 

933
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,040
ruin your career. 
You can't, this was the media 

934
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,000
training. 
He's like, you can't be married 

935
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,840
because then who's going to ship
you with, you know, that'll ruin

936
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,520
the fan base. 
So that's why he didn't do it 

937
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,200
because of the entertainment 
industry shit. 

938
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,960
So then he broke out of that at 
the end. 

939
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,760
And that's why at the end 
they're like, let's have a 

940
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,440
family like tour like, and we'll
actually spend time together 

941
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880
because we're free of dad's 
bullshit and dad has seen the 

942
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,760
error of his way. 
So now they can, like, actually 

943
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,440
forge a relationship, but they 
didn't really. 

944
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,120
The three of them didn't have 
one. 

945
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Like, you know, brother was 
working for dad and under his 

946
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,240
thumb. 
And then, you know, it was like 

947
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,520
the outcast of that group. 
Yeah. 

948
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,480
So it took us a long just get 
them talking as human beings. 

949
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,440
And then we had to rush the plot
line at the end kind of thing. 

950
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,320
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

951
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,280
I'm curious to see if maybe 
season 3 they do a little bit of

952
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,040
the summer to see the 
reconnecting because a big theme

953
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,080
of the show is reconnecting. 
In season 1 we get Kitty trying 

954
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,400
to reconnect with her mom. 
And family pass. 

955
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,720
Specifically, yeah, reconnecting
with family because season 2. 

956
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:13,680
Reconnecting with the 
grandmothers season 3 probably. 

957
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,400
I mean, it's going to be Yuri 
trying to keep her family 

958
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,800
together. 
Or not. 

959
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Who knows what that's going? 
To be you know what, maybe she's

960
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,240
just she actually kind of like, 
screw you, all of you. 

961
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,920
Who knows of her found family 
all the way. 

962
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,560
So maybe reconnect with her 
Fountain family Kitty? 

963
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,240
Who knows? 
Who knows? 

964
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,000
No, seriously, Kitty, What? 
The fuck is going on with? 

965
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,800
Kitty at the end. 
Like what the fuck is going on 

966
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,400
with Kitty at the end? 
Can we say she's going to go 

967
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,560
medal in the the new 
reconnecting family's life? 

968
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Like what, what was the ending? 
Seriously though, because she's 

969
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,520
like, I guess like OK, first of 
all, they are setting up Nino as

970
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,560
the end game ship. 
So whoever is into that they got

971
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,200
they had the Cherry Tree behind 
him. 

972
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,440
He's the end game ship, 
whatever. 

973
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,960
But then like she's like, I 
don't know if it's our time. 

974
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,400
And then she goes on the trip 
with him. 

975
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,280
So like are they dating on the 
trip? 

976
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Like what is the trip going to 
be for the and for them 

977
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,480
specifically is my question 
because like this was I don't 

978
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,840
really last minute and weird. 
Because she says it's not our 

979
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,720
time yet. 
But then she says or and then 

980
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,000
she like gets him. 
Yeah. 

981
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,520
So like, are they dating now? 
Like is this there to be their 

982
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,000
dating trip because. 
It's just. 

983
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,000
Go ahead. 
Maybe she wants to reconnect 

984
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,920
with him and just hang out more 
and slowly. 

985
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,680
She doesn't do anything slow 
though. 

986
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,560
No, that's why like like that 
would make sense writer wise 

987
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,320
because then like what is season
3 about? 

988
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,200
If they get together on this 
trip off screen, which fans 

989
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,880
would riot? 
Like what is season 3 about? 

990
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,400
Because then she has a boyfriend
and they don't break up Like 

991
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,400
that's not the style of XO Kitty
the show at all. 

992
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,120
It has to be chaos because 
Kitty's middle name is chaos. 

993
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,760
So like, what is Season 3 about?
So your theory that like, yeah, 

994
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,400
we just stayed friends or 
whatever because then you have 

995
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,120
to do the will. 
They won't, they think still. 

996
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,680
So like I feel like that would 
make more sense for like setting

997
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,280
up a season 3, but a whole 
summer of that is not in Kitty's

998
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,880
nature. 
So like, I don't even, I 

999
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,200
wouldn't even believe that if 
they told me that, you know what

1000
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,240
I mean? 
I wonder if she was kidding. 

1001
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:26,440
I didn't go. 
What if her dad, not her dad 

1002
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,840
Mino's dad picks her off the 
tour very quickly and just like,

1003
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,200
can't handle it. 
Too much meddling, I. 

1004
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:42,440
Don't blame him. 
I feel she has to go home at 

1005
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,920
some point. 
She can't just stay in Korea and

1006
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,040
then go on tour the whole summer
without going home. 

1007
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,840
I mean, she can. 
She. 

1008
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000
Can. 
She has way too much free reign 

1009
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,160
in life. 
That's what I'm saying, she her 

1010
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,840
bad behavior gets reinforced but
like I don't understand what 

1011
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,600
they're really going to do 
writer wise because everything 

1012
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,400
revolves around her relationship
drama. 

1013
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,640
Yeah, they can't. 
They can't start the season with

1014
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,360
her, with Mino, right? 
I mean they unless if they do 

1015
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,040
spend most of it break up, broke
up if. 

1016
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,400
They do. 
They're going to break them up 

1017
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,800
because like, what is the show? 
Yeah, which I especially 

1018
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,160
happening. 
We all know Mino's going to be 

1019
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,360
end game. 
It's the end game. 

1020
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Probably going to end up where 
they're not together. 

1021
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,040
And like the final episode, I 
swear that it's going to be on 

1022
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,240
the plane. 
She's going to sit down next to 

1023
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,000
him instead, you're right. 
And be like, will you be my 

1024
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
boyfriend? 
Something like that. 

1025
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,360
And I wasn't like that. 
The finale episode I keep 

1026
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,360
talking about, OK, well, there's
a plane. 

1027
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,760
Where's the plane? 
I I was expecting it in this 

1028
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,280
season and we didn't get it. 
So I'm waiting for the plane 

1029
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
scene again. 
Because they do love bookends. 

1030
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,440
And we see, we saw that in the 
last season with the dreams. 

1031
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,440
Oh my God, the fuck? 
That's what I mean. 

1032
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Kitty acts like Nino's her 
brother and then has a dream and

1033
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,720
it's like, oh wait, where my 
feelings are back. 

1034
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,680
I was like why? 
Why are we doing this in the 

1035
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,040
last few episodes? 
Like where was this dream 

1036
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,720
earlier in the season? 
You know what I mean? 

1037
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:13,520
Yeah, we need, they need to 
learn to sprinkle out more. 

1038
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,320
Yeah, instead of condensing it 
into episodic ones, right. 

1039
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,120
Sprinkle off the timeline. 
It was hard for me to follow. 

1040
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,960
Kitty's feelings because they 
seemed very spur the moment in 

1041
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,440
sporadic versus like, I don't 
know if she's been dwelling on 

1042
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,880
this, trying not to think about 
it. 

1043
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,160
It was just like, again, her 
feelings from, you know, came 

1044
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,080
out of a dream again. 
And I was like, why are we back 

1045
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,120
at the the dream, you know? 
I have a a question because I 

1046
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,320
don't know is this a teenager 
thing where you are completely 

1047
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,760
into someone one day and then a 
few days later are completely 

1048
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,760
into someone new to? 
The point where you're in love 

1049
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,520
with them, though, because like 
the way Kitty got there and was 

1050
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,040
like, oh, I'm in love with him. 
I was like, are you you had a 

1051
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,320
dream? 
Like what do you mean like? 

1052
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Does she know what love is? 
That's my question for all. 

1053
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Her little people that in Season
3. 

1054
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,760
Yeah, for all her people in her 
bullshit. 

1055
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,840
Yeah, you're right, You're 
right. 

1056
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,880
Maybe she keeps matchmaking 
people and getting people 

1057
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,520
together, but she doesn't 
actually understand what love. 

1058
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Is I would like to see that for 
Season 3, honestly, like her 

1059
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,080
tried out with me. 
She had a relationship, yeah. 

1060
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,760
Because just like thinking about
it, what are you actually 

1061
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,120
supposed to feel like? 
Because it's, I mean, like, I 

1062
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,520
wouldn't know how to describe 
it. 

1063
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,240
I don't even, I don't know. 
How do you figure that out? 

1064
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,360
It's a big emotion and big, big 
feelings. 

1065
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,000
It's big feelings. 
Sometimes it's not even. 

1066
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
The feelings are part of it, but
not the whole extent of what 

1067
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,880
love means. 
So yeah, like because like, 

1068
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,160
Kitty's only relationship she's 
had was the pen pal thing with 

1069
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Day. 
Like they were never physically 

1070
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,560
together on a daily basis. 
So does Kitty know what a 

1071
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,640
relationship is in person and. 
How does she think it's just, 

1072
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,440
oh, I really like hanging out 
with this person and I want to 

1073
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,000
hang out with them some more. 
So it'd be really it'd be 

1074
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,520
interesting to see her explore. 
An actual. 

1075
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Actual feelings and. 
Where she's not chasing somebody

1076
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,520
else at the same time because 
you can argue she was with Day 

1077
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,160
in person in season 1, but like 
she was into other people so 

1078
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,320
like what is she with Day? 
She was emotionally cheating on 

1079
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,200
him most of the time. 
So like I would like to see her 

1080
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,320
in a relationship where she's 
actually exploring that 

1081
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,720
relationship and not loved. 
Dating, like going on dating 

1082
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,960
without thinking of other people
while she's with that person? 

1083
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,680
Yeah, no. 
Was like even other storylines 

1084
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,760
where like thinking about her 
mom and thinking about other 

1085
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,000
things and plot points while 
hanging out with this person. 

1086
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,640
She needs to really just be 
spending time with this person. 

1087
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,720
And if it's me, No, Fine. 
I don't care who she ends up 

1088
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,440
with. 
Can you do that? 

1089
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,320
I need Kitty to grow as a 
person. 

1090
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,720
Yeah. 
And she is growing, but like, I 

1091
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,600
need her to get into a mature 
relationship, like a actual 

1092
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,840
relationship and explore the 
relationship, not the chasing of

1093
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,120
people because she's been 
chasing people for a couple of 

1094
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,000
seasons. 
Let's like have her be in a 

1095
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,480
relationship and actually like, 
see what that's like. 

1096
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,880
Maybe she hates it. 
And it was like, I'm not a 

1097
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,080
monogamous person. 
Like who knows? 

1098
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Like I would like her to explore
it, you know? 

1099
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,040
There is so much to explore. 
Yeah, totally. 

1100
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,520
And maybe we should see them in 
school at least. 

1101
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,840
Like it's. 
My thing too at the end, like is

1102
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Kitty passing her classes? 
I don't. 

1103
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,440
We never talk about school this 
season. 

1104
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,440
Oh. 
Technically we do see them in 

1105
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,360
classes, but it's not like a 
typical class. 

1106
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,240
I want to see them in a math 
class, OK? 

1107
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,480
I want to see all the gays 
trying to do math. 

1108
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Oh my God, seriously? 
But like, was Kitty passing to 

1109
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,680
school? 
Because where we left the first 

1110
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,480
season, she was doing horribly 
in school. 

1111
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,120
So like, is she doing all right?
We don't know. 

1112
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,520
We don't talk about grades at 
all this so. 

1113
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,400
Remember Dana like you have to? 
Be first in your class to get 

1114
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,360
your scholarship. 
We never talked about it in this

1115
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,080
season. 
Was he getting a scholarship? 

1116
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Like, who knows? 
Hold on, Dave's getting a 

1117
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
scholarship is about to lose it 
because he's not first in class 

1118
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,360
yet. 
We get a conversation last 

1119
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,720
season where Kitty calls her dad
is like I'm failing all my 

1120
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,680
classes. 
Right. 

1121
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,080
That's what I mean. 
She. 

1122
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Doesn't never talk about it 
again. 

1123
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Yeah, we never talked about 
school in season 2. 

1124
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,680
It's all like, what were they OK
academically? 

1125
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,720
Like maybe we should revisit 
that in season 3. 

1126
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,480
We really should. 
There's a lot of things we need 

1127
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,040
to read this concern, then keep 
going. 

1128
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,760
You know who who also got less 
screen time this season but 

1129
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,880
never really had a lot. 
But they're they're hilarious 

1130
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,280
every time we see them. 
Madison. 

1131
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,920
She was great. 
I loved her at the cabin. 

1132
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,560
Madison and this she just said 
she has no filter. 

1133
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,960
First of all, she has doesn't 
care what people think about 

1134
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:02,680
her. 
It's just there to have a good 

1135
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:09,680
time and is always herself and 
that that is something that all 

1136
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,760
the other characters need to 
learn first of all. 

1137
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,920
Well, having a filter. 
Maybe not the no filter part. 

1138
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,240
Yeah, I was like, maybe not the 
no filter part. 

1139
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,000
We Kitty needs a filter because 
she's also very impulsive with 

1140
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,800
her actions. 
And I think that's where a lot 

1141
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,880
of the meddling comes in, 
because she doesn't know where 

1142
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,560
to stop her. 
She doesn't know how to create 

1143
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,960
boundaries for herself with 
other people. 

1144
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,200
Yeah. 
She needs to learn boundaries. 

1145
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,680
Agreed. 
Maybe Madison could help her 

1146
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,280
with that and then we could get 
more Madison. 

1147
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Well, no, because she doesn't 
know boundaries with speaking. 

1148
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,640
She needs like a whole village 
of everybody coming to the 

1149
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,320
boundaries together. 
Together at this point, yes, but

1150
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Madison, she's the only other 
character who doesn't really get

1151
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,720
screwed by anybody else because 
she does it. 

1152
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,360
She's not tied to anyone right 
now, yes. 

1153
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,720
I think she might keep herself 
like that because she sees all 

1154
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,280
this shit happening, so she 
doesn't have herself tied to 

1155
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,240
anyone. 
It'd be interesting to see her 

1156
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,480
become more of a main character,
more of a like supporting 

1157
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,520
character rather than this 
random guest star, and see her 

1158
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,480
learn to create a genuine 
connection too. 

1159
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Genuine not genuine connection 
but also some of these side 

1160
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,240
characters definitely need to 
leave because it's too many 

1161
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,600
right now. 
There's too many. 

1162
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,480
Have a cohesive story they 
brought in. 

1163
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,880
We have a lot of great 
characters, but each main story 

1164
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,320
brought in another character and
it was it was too messy. 

1165
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,200
They need to be more 
interconnected to make sense for

1166
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,440
the overall story, which I'm 
glad. 

1167
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,200
With every storyline we've 
gotten, I'm really interested in

1168
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,720
it. 
I just they could have spread 

1169
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,520
this out in the two different 
seasons to really give time and 

1170
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,000
breathing room. 
Yeah, well, I agree. 

1171
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,400
I just think this is like, you 
know, the situation we're in 

1172
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,080
with American, you know, Western
media, or it's like, who knows 

1173
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,120
if you're getting another season
and if you do, you're going to 

1174
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,960
have less episodes. 
So it's really it must be really

1175
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,880
difficult as writers to really 
plan how to end stuff because 

1176
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,360
like it could just be the end 
and you you know, you don't 

1177
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,160
know. 
So you kind of have to wrap 

1178
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,000
everything up. 
Otherwise you're forever the 

1179
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,360
show that left all these plot 
holes warrior none where like 

1180
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,720
you never get satisfaction 
because it's over. 

1181
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,480
And yeah, so I I feel like they 
had to do what they had to do. 

1182
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,440
I just think they could have 
paced things differently versus 

1183
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,960
like shoving everything at the 
end. 

1184
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840
Like they could have paced 
minnow stuff out. 

1185
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,200
They could have paced the Kitty 
Minnow stuff out throughout the 

1186
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,680
season versus putting it just in
the like, last three episodes. 

1187
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,560
And it's like, wow, you're 
revisiting this. 

1188
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,720
It's like, obviously you want me
to ship this because you're 

1189
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,320
shoving this down my throat at 
the end. 

1190
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,760
And it's like, where was this in
the beginning? 

1191
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,640
We're also at a time where the 
industry is not very supported 

1192
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,960
and writers are not getting paid
as much. 

1193
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,840
There's not as many jobs, there 
are probably less writers in the

1194
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,600
room, they're probably rushed, 
and I'm wondering if they even 

1195
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,240
had the full story arced when 
they started writing. 

1196
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,840
That's true. 
Because they probably could, 

1197
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,880
because it did kind of read like
that too, where they started and

1198
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,040
then maybe they got changes. 
And yeah, that's true. 

1199
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,200
There was issues behind the 
scenes where they had to pivot. 

1200
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,960
It wasn't cohesive halfway 
through. 

1201
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,960
I think that's like a good point
where it was just like, oh, what

1202
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,400
the hell is happening right now?
Everything just came out of 

1203
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,720
nowhere. 
Yeah, I think you're right that 

1204
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,000
that feels like a something 
happened behind the scenes and 

1205
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,840
they had to pivot. 
That's definitely I don't. 

1206
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,240
Know if they always knew that 
they got it. 

1207
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,800
Like I don't know if it was 
announced in the beginning that 

1208
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,000
was only 8 episodes because I'm 
very curious why it went from 

1209
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,240
7:50. 
Maybe they had a whole 10 

1210
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,200
episode arc and they had to 
condense it to 8. 

1211
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,560
I feel like that's also standard
is that you get 8 episodes, 

1212
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,200
yeah. 
They also never know what gets 

1213
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,280
filmed and then cut later. 
Could be because some of it 

1214
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,200
doesn't make sense. 
In Yellowjackets, there's a 

1215
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,320
scene in the finale that got 
cut, and so some half the lines 

1216
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,600
in it makes sense for the side 
characters to say, yeah, it's 

1217
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,800
you never know what's. 
Happening, you never know, it's 

1218
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,000
true. 
It could have been a behind the 

1219
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,800
scenes last minute. 
They had to edit it together 

1220
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,400
kind of thing. 
And it's like, damn, this just 

1221
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,720
got all rushed. 
That make. 

1222
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,040
That would make sense. 
Yeah. 

1223
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Because like, yeah, it doesn't 
feel as cohesive as seasons 1. 

1224
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,240
And so it's very plausible. 
I mean, what was the gap between

1225
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,600
season 1, Season 2? 
Is it 2 years a year? 

1226
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,440
It's more than a year. 
Wasn't it for XO Kitty? 

1227
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
No, it was like a couple weeks. 

1228
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,040
It was a break. 
No, I we're in the same here. 

1229
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,040
Oh, I'm sorry. 
I'm so sorry. 

1230
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,640
I just, I realized that as I was
saying that. 

1231
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,960
No, yeah, it was. 
It was 2 years I2. 

1232
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,200
Years. 
That's what I thought, yeah. 

1233
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,320
So like a lot has changed in the
industry in the two years. 

1234
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,640
So yeah, who? 
Knows and they got they got 

1235
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,640
prolonged by the strike and the 
different strikes yeah going on.

1236
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,200
Yeah, exactly so. 
So much going on. 

1237
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,320
It's really shitty. 
Something needs to change with 

1238
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:20,200
the industry. 
Oh my God, we got to figure this

1239
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,920
shit out because everybody 
behind the scenes is very 

1240
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,600
important. 
And yeah, studios are not 

1241
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,480
realizing that right now. 
And I don't understand how 

1242
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,320
they're not realizing. 
They think that AI can replace 

1243
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,000
all and it can. 
That is what they think, yeah. 

1244
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:41,240
Another storyline that felt very
rushed it I mean it was rushed, 

1245
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,600
but also not because it was kind
of there so Kitty trying to 

1246
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,800
figure out Simon. 
So first of all, we had to 

1247
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:51,800
figure out who Simon was and we 
got that by episode 3 and then 

1248
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,480
it went into oh, I have other 
family here let's reconnect with

1249
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,200
them. 
Oh, my grandmother and her 

1250
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,880
sister don't speak anymore. 
That was a huge a story that I 

1251
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,800
kind of wish we spent more time 
on too. 

1252
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,360
Maybe just we should have 
stopped with her finding them at

1253
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,360
the end, Like maybe reconnecting
with them by the finale rather 

1254
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,360
than trying to get the family 
back together because that 

1255
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,080
should have taken a little bit 
more. 

1256
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,840
Yeah, I would have. 
Played that. 

1257
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,840
I mean, it killed me when she 
got there and she was 

1258
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,080
immediately thrown out because, 
first of all, I mean, you don't 

1259
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,760
just show up. 
Boundaries we. 

1260
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,640
Probably should. 
We should have done this on a 

1261
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,640
third party location and 
external. 

1262
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,200
So you're not going into their 
home, their place and meeting 

1263
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,880
them? 
No, did not tell them who you 

1264
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,280
were at that point also OK. 
No, they could have done that 

1265
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,280
with the original plan where she
did not tell them. 

1266
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,520
Who she was, but she's 
impatient. 

1267
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,560
You saw that in there. 
She's impulsive. 

1268
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,240
She's impulsive. 
Exactly. 

1269
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,400
This was Kitty. 
Classic Kitty being Kitty and 

1270
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,080
not like reading the room and 
doing what Kitty wants. 

1271
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,560
And then it all goes to shit. 
And then it all. 

1272
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,080
Goes to hell and it's like girl.
And then other people have to 

1273
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,600
fix it. 
Other people have to fix it. 

1274
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,720
Yeah, exactly. 
Classic. 

1275
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,320
But yeah, I agree. 
I was more invested in this plot

1276
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,000
line than all the other plot 
lines and it like popped up, 

1277
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,520
fell away, popped up, fell away.
But I do like the reunion of the

1278
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,880
the sisters. 
That was oh. 

1279
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,680
My gosh, that was so. 
Beautiful and sweet and I'm glad

1280
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,240
we got that. 
That was really cute. 

1281
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,040
I want to spend more time with 
her family honestly. 

1282
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,360
That is the heart of the show. 
That was the part of the like 

1283
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,240
the yeah, the relationship was 
there, but the heart of the show

1284
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,240
and the movies was the family 
connection. 

1285
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Yeah, because you saw Kitty in 
the movies and you see that 

1286
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,640
interaction with Laura, Jean and
Kitty and how the relationship, 

1287
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,480
like Peter interacts with Kitty.
It was always based around 

1288
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,280
family at the end of the day, 
where this season put that to 

1289
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,040
the side. 
It was a mean plot point, but it

1290
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,520
was always sidelined for all 
these other stories going on. 

1291
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,840
Yeah, exactly. 
I agree. 

1292
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,160
And I thought that maybe with 
like her and Guri going after 

1293
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,960
it, we'd get more into it 
because like the friend was in 

1294
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,080
it. 
And then when like Nino got 

1295
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,240
involved, I'm like, OK, now 
we'll get more into Kitty's 

1296
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,800
family stuff. 
But we kind of never really did.

1297
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,000
I mean we did at the end but 
like still. 

1298
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,440
And it got resolved with like a 
conversation with two sentences 

1299
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:30,920
said by each person and that it 
was again, it was too rushed. 

1300
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,280
But it did show how like 1 
moment in history can change the

1301
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,680
way that families interact. 
Like they were separated this 

1302
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,320
whole time by 1 
misunderstanding. 

1303
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,760
And so seeing the sisters and 
being like, I thought about what

1304
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,800
I would say to you all these 
years if I saw you again, like, 

1305
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,440
it's, it's really emotional. 
And it would have been great to 

1306
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,760
just stay on that more. 
But of course, what do we get? 

1307
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,320
We get Kitty figuring out that 
she likes me now again. 

1308
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,560
Yep. 
In the rain. 

1309
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,880
Yep. 
Because we have to make it about

1310
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,640
relationships. 
I want us to like just focus on 

1311
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,960
family for one episode. 
OK, let's can we do that? 

1312
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,160
Because we had that in Season 1 
with. 

1313
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,800
We did. 
Fury with Kitty figuring out 

1314
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,200
like going again, sneaking into 
the teacher's house. 

1315
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,800
But, you know, at least it was 
focusing on the story of her 

1316
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,439
trying to figure out who her mom
was and that history. 

1317
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,399
I mean, I guess we kind of got 
that scene again where they had 

1318
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,479
to go into the archives and 
Pervina let them in and. 

1319
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,080
Oh yeah, we're. 
Doing that, we did get that kind

1320
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,840
of like sneaky detective stuff 
for my family. 

1321
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,560
Like we did do that. 
It's just there was a ton of 

1322
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,080
plot lines going on. 
It's just like. 

1323
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,680
It's just easy to forget about 
it's. 

1324
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,800
Easy to forget, almost pieces. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1325
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,479
It's just there's a lot. 
We need we need to put more 

1326
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,319
heart into it rather than focus 
messiness. 

1327
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,279
Put more. 
Focus. 

1328
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,000
Focus. 
Yeah, yeah, this this was an 

1329
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,840
ADHD season. 
Theora it really was like, it 

1330
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,880
really was ADHD season. 
It really was. 

1331
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:18,359
That's a good way of putting it.
I think does Kitty have ADHD? 

1332
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,279
Probably. 
Is that what is the best problem

1333
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,680
with Kitty's ADHD? 
Because maybe that is like, 

1334
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,399
that's what's going on. 
She is jumping so much like from

1335
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,760
the Mino stuff, her family 
stuff. 

1336
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,080
She doesn't think about school. 
So that's why we don't see 

1337
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,960
school. 
That's why she's failing. 

1338
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,359
That's true. 
That's true. 

1339
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,640
No, it definitely reads like 
that. 

1340
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,720
Like this, this is Kitty's 
brain, this is this is Kitty's 

1341
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,240
life, just jumping from things 
to thing, not really seeing 

1342
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,000
things through. 
And that's why it's kind of 

1343
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:55,600
disjointed as a possibility. 
Yep. 

1344
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,040
OK. 
Again, just just really quickly 

1345
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,560
about the overall show, unless 
you have any specific plot 

1346
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,200
points that you wanted to talk 
about. 

1347
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,000
I just want to talk about the 
cabin episode with the letter. 

1348
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,480
Because yeah, that's it. 
I just want to talk about that 

1349
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,640
episode. 
I, I what was Katie thinking by 

1350
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,160
writing that letter in the 1st 
place? 

1351
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,720
What the hell? 
OK, well, hold on. 

1352
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,440
All right, I understand. 
Because people journal. 

1353
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:33,600
Her journal is letters and it's 
never meant to supposed to go to

1354
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,520
people. 
But her, she got it from her 

1355
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,160
sister. 
So it's a family thing at this 

1356
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,960
point? 
No, it is a family thing, 

1357
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,160
'cause. 
They all write letters. 

1358
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:46,240
Then so it's a letter family, 
but they don't intend to send 

1359
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,520
them We let's not put it in 
envelopes. 

1360
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,440
I don't know why we. 
Don't address it to the come on 

1361
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,840
man. 
Anyway, that was just ripe for 

1362
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,320
stealing. 
And then, I mean, it is 

1363
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,640
hilarious the way that Madison 
finds it. 

1364
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,360
And of course, immediately it's 
like, you know, I'm. 

1365
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,480
No, what's yeah, what's what I 
liked about it is that all the 

1366
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:14,080
women at the cabin were like, 
well, it's obviously about me. 

1367
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,160
All of them were like, this is 
clearly about me because of this

1368
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,200
line and this line and 
somebody's in love with me. 

1369
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,600
The way all the women are just 
like it's about me was really 

1370
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,640
funny. 
It's funny. 

1371
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,840
Anything shows. 
It's like an indicator that 

1372
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,840
they're all like in the selfish 
part of their life, like they 

1373
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,120
all think it's about them. 
That and it's just like, again, 

1374
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,240
a commentary on like media, the 
way you can see yourself in 

1375
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,200
media. 
I'm like, okay, that's fair. 

1376
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,760
So, and it's like, not about 
you. 

1377
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,520
At all. 
And then, but then when they're 

1378
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,560
reading it, of course it's 
Pravina and Juliana reading this

1379
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,560
letter. 
They get to the line that says 

1380
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,680
matchmaker. 
I'm sorry, how did no one else 

1381
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,680
figure that? 
Who out who wrote this once it 

1382
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,360
said matchmaker. 
Does everybody know that that's 

1383
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,080
Kitty's obsession? 
Or is it just like her actual 

1384
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,680
close friends that know that 
about her? 

1385
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,920
I, I don't, I feel like if I 
feel like it's probably a joke. 

1386
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,680
That said, I it everyone has to 
know. 

1387
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,160
I mean, I don't know. 
But also as you can see in, 

1388
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,640
like, Korean culture that, like,
matchmaking is a thing. 

1389
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,560
So I don't know that it 
necessarily means Kitty. 

1390
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:26,160
Yeah, that'd be a red flag in 
Kitty's direction, but like, I 

1391
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,160
don't know. 
I mean, Juliana sure knew. 

1392
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,680
Yeah, because she's. 
Just got to be on her toes. 

1393
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,400
As I said, that relationship has
been eroding since season 1 

1394
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:44,960
because of Kitty specifically. 
But yeah, Oh my gosh, Yuri. 

1395
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,720
Yuri. 
First of all, the way that she 

1396
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,480
just stole Kitty in the middle 
of everyone, That's not 

1397
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:54,000
suspicious at all. 
Like, Juliana's right there and 

1398
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,880
you're taking Kitty by the hand 
and taking her to a different 

1399
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,920
room. 
What is Juliana supposed to 

1400
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:01,840
think? 
I know. 

1401
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,040
She could have been like, hey, 
Juliana, I need to talk to you 

1402
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,640
real quick. 
I think this letter is about me 

1403
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,760
or something. 
I mean, that wouldn't make sense

1404
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,760
either. 
She does have to talk to Kitty 

1405
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,520
about it, but the way that she 
did it was really. 

1406
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,600
Weird. 
Everything with them was weird. 

1407
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,520
This season everything was 
weird. 

1408
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,600
The whole thing with your and 
Kitty was weird. 

1409
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,400
And then you do get the scene 
later in the episode where 

1410
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,400
Kitty's in the hot tub and Mino 
comes out to talk to her, which 

1411
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:43,720
is another parallel identifier. 
Yeah, parallel that she's going 

1412
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,440
to end up with Mino. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1413
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,320
It's a scene that happened in To
All the Boys with Laura, Jean 

1414
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,240
and Peter. 
So again, they they are setting 

1415
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,720
this up. 
We know that it doesn't matter. 

1416
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,720
Good for them. 
Give us a good story to get 

1417
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,360
there. 
That's all I care about. 

1418
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:11,000
Give Yuri an actual plot line. 
But yeah, that that cabin, it 

1419
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,680
was a very interesting arc. 
I yes, thank you for get making 

1420
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,840
them put away their phones. 
I love that part of it, too, 

1421
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,240
because they were forced to 
interact with each other. 

1422
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,640
And the writers were like, if 
they have their phones, it's not

1423
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,440
going to be plausible that 
they're interacting with each 

1424
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:30,320
other because someone's always 
on their phone. 

1425
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,960
And you see that immediately as 
they get power again. 

1426
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,240
Yeah. 
And I was just like, of course, 

1427
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,640
of course, they're immediately 
on their phone. 

1428
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,440
But it's really. 
Not a bad thing. 

1429
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:44,280
I I would have liked them just 
be like see more bonding playing

1430
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,920
the playing games. 
But we had to. 

1431
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,480
We don't have time for that 
shit. 

1432
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,160
We have to get through the 
drama, right? 

1433
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,800
But I do love that Hugh and Jen 
are the only ones who make it 

1434
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,600
out alive of that cabin. 
And, you know, some could argue 

1435
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,840
Madison. 
I mean, see they did. 

1436
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,440
But then that started the drama 
with Day and Mino and Jen. 

1437
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,960
No I know, but I mean like it 
they made it out as a couple but

1438
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,960
like they didn't make it out 
drama free cuz then that started

1439
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:15,360
new. 
That's. 

1440
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:16,240
True, that's. 
What? 

1441
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,960
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Nobody left drama free except 

1442
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,640
Madison. 
Cuz she like she's drama free 

1443
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,200
because she puts it all out 
there, but that's because she's 

1444
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,320
a tertiary character. 
She can get away with that. 

1445
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:29,480
Yeah, She thought there was 
going to be drama because the 

1446
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,920
letter was about her, so she 
addressed it immediately. 

1447
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,640
She's like that. 
That's we're not no also, girl, 

1448
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,440
good job. 
You don't want to you don't want

1449
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:41,160
to be involved with this group 
right now. 

1450
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,480
She's like, I know when to come.
It's when we get stuff out of 

1451
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:45,320
it. 
Yeah. 

1452
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,480
I'll go for a scoot free ski 
trip. 

1453
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,520
Anything else about the ski 
trip? 

1454
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,080
No, all right. 
So just overall, I felt like the

1455
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,440
season was very predictable, 
which is saying a lot for me 

1456
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,680
considering I don't see anything
coming. 

1457
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:10,200
But it it was it's it's teenager
difficult stuff with the way 

1458
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,880
that it's finished. 
I just, I love how funny it is 

1459
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,480
though. 
The the one liners are very 

1460
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,600
great. 
They're well written, well 

1461
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,120
delivered. 
All the actors are doing a great

1462
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,160
job. 
Like Exo Kitty. 

1463
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,920
Kitty is very annoying at times,
but the actress Anna Cathcart 

1464
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,400
kills it in her role. 
She's doing everything she's 

1465
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,560
supposed to do. 
Yeah. 

1466
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,320
And I, I have a great time 
watching the show because I'm 

1467
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,600
laughing my ass off the entire 
time. 

1468
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,640
Mostly when Q and Kitty are 
talking together, they they're 

1469
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,600
hilarious because that is the 
true brother dynamic. 

1470
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,480
Brother, sister, dynamic. 
Yeah, they really did a good job

1471
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:56,560
of solidifying them as like best
friends this season. 

1472
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,040
I think that was successful. 
They did a good job with that, 

1473
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,000
being like, yes, this is they 
are best friends, these two. 

1474
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,560
And just because you're best 
friends with someone doesn't 

1475
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,480
mean you need to do everything 
they ask you to do. 

1476
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,320
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1477
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,680
So they, yeah, I like that about
this, this this season. 

1478
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,400
That was really good. 
They did a good job with that. 

1479
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,560
For the sake of all the 
teenagers watching or and 

1480
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,280
younger, I hope they explore 
boundaries in season 3. 

1481
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,160
They, they need. 
We all need that lesson. 

1482
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,080
I still need that. 
Lesson. 

1483
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,960
Kitty needs that lesson. 
Kitty definitely needs that 

1484
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,200
lesson out of everybody. 
Not even like, but not 

1485
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,520
boundaries for herself. 
Boundaries of not like 

1486
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,080
boundaries for other people 
letting into their lives, right?

1487
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,040
Everyone needs to learn 
boundaries in their own way, 

1488
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,160
whether it be for themselves or 
for someone else. 

1489
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,000
You have any overall thoughts 
for the show before we wrap up? 

1490
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,200
I said most of it. 
I'm I'm glad they got a season 3

1491
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,560
so we can keep going with this. 
And you know, I'm glad it's 

1492
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,760
going to be in the same setting 
and we don't have to deal with 

1493
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,240
that drama. 
Like I like that that was 

1494
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,120
resolved. 
So like, Kitty will be back at 

1495
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,120
Kiss and we're just going to be 
at Kiss and we'll see where this

1496
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,400
goes because like, people are 
going to be graduating soon. 

1497
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,080
Yeah, we have. 
I think we're all in the same 

1498
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,000
year. 
Scholarships, yeah. 

1499
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,520
And stuff. 
So we have one year left. 

1500
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,480
It'll be interesting. 
Are we going to do the full 

1501
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:27,640
year? 
Is it going to be the summer? 

1502
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,560
Is it going to be the full year 
or is it going to just be? 

1503
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:30,960
Fall. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1504
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:37,720
Season they have very a lot of 
options and who knows, like 

1505
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,880
season you're lucky to get 
season 3. 

1506
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,560
It's very rare to get a season 4
now. 

1507
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,240
Yeah, I think this will. 
I think realistically this 

1508
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,480
probably will be the last 
season. 

1509
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,440
So just because of the industry,
not because of the show not 

1510
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:53,280
being successful. 
I think they they could wrap it 

1511
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,080
up in the next. 
Season, I think so if they do, I

1512
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,600
think they're going to have to. 
Yeah, because there's only so 

1513
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,480
much meddling. 
And will they, won't they? 

1514
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,360
You can do at the show because 
Kitty has gone through half the 

1515
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,160
cast in this one season alone. 
Correct, Correct. 

1516
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,360
So I just fully anticipate the 
Mino Kitty end game in the next 

1517
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,120
season. 
I just like to see where where 

1518
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,640
this goes with everybody else 
because that's where Kitties and

1519
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Mino are headed. 
So we'll see. 

1520
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,680
Do you have a big energy award 
for this show? 

1521
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,160
Pervita. 
The scene, Praveena, you know 

1522
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,240
what? 
There is no other answer except 

1523
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,000
no, because she that's the 
moment we met her. 

1524
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,600
I was like, oh, OK, that is the 
answer. 

1525
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,400
I don't even. 
I don't have to think about that

1526
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,280
because I don't think there is 
another answer that could beat 

1527
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,320
Praveena. 
No Praveena. 

1528
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,640
Big gay energy and that's why 
she needs to stay in Season 3. 

1529
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,560
And then also like the club 
scene. 

1530
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,320
At the gay club. 
That was the second, just cuz 

1531
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,360
like there's so many queers in 
there and I love that day. 

1532
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,200
Meets all the straight girls and
it's not with them in a cute 

1533
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,840
way. 
So like PSA to straight men who 

1534
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,960
go to gay bars to pick up 
straight women because women 

1535
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,080
hide there so they don't have to
deal with men hitting on them. 

1536
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,440
This like if you're going to go 
into that space, like don't 

1537
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:19,960
fucking do that and like be a 
actual person that's just going 

1538
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,360
to hang out and be a friend 
because that's what day was 

1539
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,880
doing. 
He was just like, I'll just be 

1540
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,560
one of the one of the girls and 
like gossip with you and that's 

1541
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,640
fine. 
And then he ended up finding 

1542
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,720
love that way because he was 
being a non threatening real 

1543
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,720
person. 
Yeah, yeah, like you should be. 

1544
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,560
Yeah, be respectful when you're 
in queer spaces and you're not a

1545
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,960
queer person. 
That's all I'm saying. 

1546
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,840
PSA. 
That is a great point and 

1547
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,200
something that we really should 
not. 

1548
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,760
Have to say I know, but here we 
are. 

1549
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,280
Here we are in America. 
In 2025, we actually have to say

1550
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,080
these things. 
We are now at the end of the 

1551
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,840
episode, which means I have some
questions for our audience. 

1552
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,840
So they're not life altering 
questions. 

1553
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,760
If you are watching or listening
still, just let me know. 

1554
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,520
What did you think of season 3 
and the storylines? 

1555
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,680
Which one was your favorite? 
What would you like to see in 

1556
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,080
season 3? 
Oh my God, season 2. 

1557
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,760
Thank you. 
I was always in season 3 because

1558
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,360
it was renewed before I started 
watching season 2. 

1559
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,640
I was like this is season 3. 
What would you want to see in 

1560
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,160
Season 3? 
Yeah. 

1561
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,960
And if you could add anything to
Season 2, what would you have 

1562
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,960
added or taken away? 
There's so much going on. 

1563
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,480
Just let me know your thoughts 
or, you know, join the Discord 

1564
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:36,640
and just let us know everything.
We'll have a whole discussion 

1565
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,920
about it. 
I'm curious. 

1566
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,640
Yeah. 
And if you're listening, leave 

1567
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,160
it. 
You can leave it in a review 

1568
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,520
too. 
Or just connect with us on 

1569
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,560
social media or Discord, all the
places you know what to do. 

1570
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Yeah, so come talk to us about 
XO Kitty. 

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Hope you enjoyed this. 
We'll be back when season 3 airs

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to talk about that and probably 
react to it. 

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01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,920
And until next time, hydrate for
lesbian Jesus. 

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And get it up all over the 
place. 

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Bye bye. 
And with that, we've been big 

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gay energy. 
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