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today, Fiora? Today we're going to be talking
about Season 2 of XO Kitty, which just like when we recorded
our season 1 episode, we also have to announce it was renewed
for a season 3 good for XO. Kitty in the world of
disappointment and uncertainty, they have continued to thrive.
Yeah, in a in a world where we're still waiting on hard
slapper season 4, yes or no announcement from Netflix,
Netflix was like, XO Kitty, you can get your third season.
So good for them for getting another season that's hard in
this current climate we have going on here.
So yay XO Kitty again going strong, which is really
exciting. Yeah.
Yeah, the. Story will continue, but we have
to talk about the story that we just got in Season 2.
Yeah, so this episode, like our other XO Kitty episodes, will
not be a scene by scene breakdown.
This is more of a recap of the season and what we liked about
it, what was good about it and maybe some speculation on what's
going to go on in Season 3 because we're getting a Season
3. So.
So it doesn't have to just stay in our brains.
We will find out. Which was never good.
So if you love XO Kitty, we have other content.
Like I mentioned, we did recaps of Season 1 that's available on
YouTube and wherever you get podcasts.
We also did react to Season 1 in its entirety.
There are select reactions on YouTube, the full reaction to
every episode from Season 1, and Caitlin also reacted to Season
2. Those are on our Patreon.
So for $5 a month, you can go get a lot more XO Kitty content
while we wait for Season 3. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's definitely interesting.
It's it's a wild ride. Go, go enjoy my solo reactions
to Season 2. Yeah.
And then let me know what you think.
So I don't feel like I was watching it alone.
You're never alone, Caitlin. The ghost of Lesbian Jesus is
with you, so you're good. You know, I am comforted by the
fact that lesbian Jesus Ghosty is always near me.
Who wouldn't be? All right, shall we get into it?
Let's do it so I I do know where.
I want to start. All right, this was the biggest
worry I had going in the Season 2, and I said this in the first
one and you corrected me, But I was worried that they were going
to completely erase the storyline of Kitty figuring out
who she is and her identity. And now Theora pointed out that
it wouldn't erase her identity by her ending up with just MiTo,
like going into Season 2. And I totally understand that,
but I was worried that the production itself was going to
be like, OK, well we gave you this, here is your little bit.
Now we're just going to completely ignore that storyline
and move on with life where she just lives happily ever after
with MiTo. Did we get that?
No, and I am still happy about that.
Like, boy did we have a messy season with Kitty trying to
figure out some shit because that's, you know, the plot of
the show. Yeah, I was glad that they not
only had Kitty actually explicitly explore her
bisexuality, they had her say it out loud multiple times that
that is what she is doing. Because often time even the word
the phrase I'm bisexual does not end up in media.
It's like this implied nebulous thing.
So I'm glad that they gave good bisexual representation to
Kitty, our main protagonist, and made it explicit.
So to your point, they didn't ignore it or be like it was a
weird phase or just never mention it.
They had Kitty herself explicitly identify herself and
then as bisexual and then explore that in this season.
So regardless of who she ends up with, like she's a bisexual
woman, like. We.
Yes, we got a queer protagonist and who is exploring her
queerness explicitly in this season.
So like, that's a win. At this point, because we did
get that journey of her really just figuring out who she is and
just not just trying stuff out, but like really thinking about
what she wants. It doesn't matter who she ends
up with that they are now free to do whatever the hell they
want. We've gotten more to more depth
to the story arc. Yeah.
So. I appreciate that they have
established her as a bisexual character, period.
There you go. And like, yeah, it's like a new
side of her she was exploring because she's like, oh, I want
to explore this part of me that I didn't realize was that was
part of me. And like, that's a valid
journey. Like good for Kitty, Like And
she's her own voice and me, but like, good for her that.
Part of that journey brought us a character that I'm really glad
we got and and just completely love this season, which is
Praveena. I have to say justice for
Praveena 'cause I feel really bad for her.
She got a lot of the sapphic women got screwed in not a good
way in the season. I really don't like their
storylines for them. They were dark and.
You know the Yeah. They didn't get enough screen
time in my opinion. The women who weren't like the
main people we've got in season 1 definitely got screwed over, I
would argue. Even Yuri got screwed over this
season. Like she got put on the back
burner for me. You know basically this season
and Q who got more screen time. I believe Dave got more of a
plot line too which is not a bad thing but like I feel like Yuri
was in the shadows a lot of this season so like to me her plot
line felt rushed. Oh, I think they gave her a
terrible plot in general though. I'm trying to figure out which.
Yeah, she went through it, but I don't think she got enough
screen time personally. I do want to stick with Praveena
for a second because the the one thing I wrote is loved her
introduction. She's perfect.
No notes deserves better. Yeah, because that whole the
whole season, Praveena is very, very supportive and there and
gives Kitty multiple chances to, you know, be decent to her and
let her be truthful, which I mean, I think Kitty was
intentionally not telling her everything, but also I don't
think she fully understood like what her brain was doing.
I mean, yeah, totally. Girl, you are hung up on this
person. I know you don't understand that
right now, but you are literally staring at someone else when you
are supposed to be on a date. That is not a good well, first
of all, first impression that's it's an indicator that maybe you
should go figure out yourself instead of stringing someone
else along while you do that. This was the rebound
relationship for Kate, for Kitty, and like same with Mino.
They both went into rebound relationships, like immediately.
Immediately I I have a question for all the characters on the
show. Have we ever thought of just
being single for a little while? We can't have that because
that's the crux of the show. We can't have that.
Like Kitty, have you ever thought of not meddling in other
people's lives? Why would you?
It's constantly reinforced that you should even though you
shouldn't because you're your own worst enemy.
Calls all this drama unnecessarily.
She's not being malicious, but like, girl, boundaries.
Kitty doesn't understand boundaries.
I think like she did go on a journey this season to kind of
understand that like once we got to like the Mino plot at the end
and she's like, yeah, maybe I this I'm making shit up and
like, I shouldn't. But then it was reinforced.
You were right, Kitty. You should meddle.
And it's like, no, she was just learning boundaries.
Don't. Tell, OK, you know what I mean?
It drives. All right, we'll get we'll get
into the boundary and meddling stuff then.
Yeah. First of all, with that, that
plot line, you're you're fully on her side.
Well, I was, I was fully on Kitty's side.
I mean, like, yeah, I don't trust her.
I do not. The minute I saw Estelle, I was
like, I don't trust her at all. Because that's what they want
you to think. That's what they want.
She's vicious. She's they I am very easily
influenced. I will think exactly what a show
wants me to think. So the whole time I'm like,
yeah, she's suspicious. Why does no one else see this?
I know why they don't see it. But.
And then when she finally is like, OK, well, maybe she is
just Stella and she actually does care about me.
You know, I'm like, come on, Kitty, you know better than
that. And then that's when the show is
like, oh, no, you really. She really is bad.
So it was just kind of annoying that I don't know that
transition into it. This is frustrating.
I don't think I think the plot lines weren't paced super well
this season. That's kind of like one of my
gripes with it because like all that stuff with Mino and the
realization and the oh, Stella this and that, it all happened
in like 10 minutes at the end. I was like, I feel like, Oh
yeah. More if that was the main plot
line because like Kitty Mino and the Stella person is kind of
like a main plot line along with Kitty and her family stuff.
And I feel like I see some they have too many other characters
now that had their own plot lines.
Not a bad thing, but it's a 30 minute show.
So I feel like some of the main plot lines got a little like
fragmented more than normal. And you're like, Oh yeah, I
forgot this was a plot line we were doing because we haven't
talked about it in a while. So it's like I got that feeling
from the season versus like season 1 was a lot more focused
on Kitty while they're introducing the other
characters. So like the Kitty plot lines,
which are the the A plots were more cohesive because and like
prominent because like she was the focus while you're
introducing these other people. Now all the other people have
their own plot lines going on independent of Kitty.
And so like Kitty's plot line gets a little fragmented, which
is not a bad thing. It's like it's an ensemble now,
which is not a bad thing. But like I forgot some of the
plot lines that were going on because there were so many plot
lines. I feel like it's season 3.
I hope they kind of like rain in the rest of the plot lines and
like make it feel more cohesive. But again, Kitty's chaotic and
so like, it was chaotic. So like that, you know, it's not
a bad thing. It's just like, that's my
personal take on it. It's like I felt like it was
harder to follow because I forgot some of the plot lines
because there were so many going on.
That's, that's fair. I feel like there wasn't really
a main plot line in general because like, yeah, what you
said with Stella and and like the grandmothers and that whole
thing going on, but there really wasn't one that was the main
main going throughout each episode.
No eyes of all the other things throughout the season.
Like in season 1, the main Kitty's the main character.
So like the main plot was Kitty and her love life and then
Kitty's family stuff. In season 2, it's still Kitty
and her love life and you know, the family stuff.
Those are the main through plots the whole show.
But it was like, Kitty's main, main plot line was the Mino
stuff because that's where it was all leading up to.
So like, in my brain, that's the main plot they were trying to
weave through so they could get to the end.
You're like, yo, yeah, she's still in love with it.
Which, like, it didn't read like that most of the time because I
was like, no, OK, fragmented. I was like, what?
I I know there's more to talk about the storylines in general,
but can we just talk about Mino and Kitty because their
relationship read very much brother sister to me.
Yes. And in the first half of the
show, for sure, I was like, oh, they're just friends.
And like, yeah, exactly. Like they were like, like, no,
no romantic feelings have them now.
And I'm like, why was this super suppressed in the beginning?
And now suddenly we're like, oh, Kitty was in love with him the
whole time? Like I didn't get that from the
first half of the season. Because you see, when Peter
visits, the dynamic is exactly the same between her and him and
her and Nino. Right.
Nothing change it. Right.
Exactly. And then everybody else was
like, oh, you're into him. And I'm like, how are you
getting that? Because like what Avril Lavigne
told you to. She's a boy.
He's a boy. She's a girl.
Like, where are you getting this from?
Yeah, It didn't read like that. Like, it read more in Season 1
that she had they they had a thing for each other versus
Season 2. Like the first half, I was like,
they barely interact or they act like siblings.
I was like, I don't I'm not getting this love story that you
want me to buy into right now. Like, because you're not.
The characters are not giving that in these scenes.
It was weird. The only time you know that
someone's interested into someone else is when they do the
slow. The slow motion of the staring.
The slow motion music in the background right which they.
Only did with Mino at the end. That's what I'm saying.
I was like, why are we only doing this in the last two
episodes? Nothing was in the beginning of
the season. That's what I mean.
The plot lights feel very fragmented this season where I'm
like I'm having trouble putting this together.
I feel like maybe they got so excited that they were back in
the writers room and just kind of threw everything in there.
They're like, who has an idea? Throw it on the board and at the
end they're like, all right, which ones are we doing?
And everyone's like, but we like them all.
So they threw it all in the one. Yeah, I mean, it could be that
also. Like I feel like maybe they were
like we got to deal with the Yuri stuff and I'm like, but did
you deal with the Yuri and Kitty stuff?
I feel like that wasn't actually dealt with.
No, they OK, so get this is everything for so for the people
listening this all of this is what we're saying.
I still love this show, even what I'm about to say.
Yeah, not saying this is a bad show or anything.
It's just like this is our take on season 2.
Like season 1 was super fun and like, but that was the intro to
everybody and now we're like season 2, everybody's
established and we're like in the drama.
But I feel like the drama didn't drama the way they wanted us to
sometimes. And I'm like.
Yeah, this is just their thoughts about the storylines.
I personally, you can watch my reactions to it.
I'll say some of the stuff that I'm saying now.
And also like, I love this. I love her so much while I'm
critiquing what the hell she's doing.
Because you know, that's how you watch TV.
That's how you go through life too.
No one's perfect. No show is perfect either.
But no, I I overall I really do love this show with the humor
and it is fast-paced though. I mean, 30 minute episodes,
which I like, bring that back. I'm fine with it.
It just there was a lot. It was a lot.
It was like a lot going on this season.
So sometimes it was like hard to follow the main plots because
they would just jump and stick with one and then yeah, so
that's just a me thing. Like, I don't know.
And then? Felt differently.
It's fun. It seems like every storyline
brought in another character rather than having the
storylines be connected to each other so they could have rest.
That's true. I like Eunice though.
I'm with them bringing Eunice. I thought she was great.
That that's days girl, right? Yeah.
And day deserves happiness. Oh my gosh.
OK. A lot.
You were jumping but like day day.
I'm sorry day because I say this in my reactions too.
I kept forgetting about you and I feel bad about that because
you deserve better too. Because he was being.
Used by Mary and then he just kind of got screwed over by
Kitty and just because she was trying to figure her stuff out
and she realized that she wasn't in today anymore.
But Day needs somebody that was on his level and could really
bring out the best in him. So he needed someone that was
still confident and outgoing, like Kitty, but just maybe was
focused on him. And she definitely fulfilled
that part, except when they kind of ruined it.
And I believe it was the finale where they tried to like bring a
rift into it. Well, OK, so they were, their
plot line was the singing competition or whatever.
So they have a big thing in common that they do.
And they started as like a duo, an act like, you know, dancing
duo, singing, dancing, dancing duo.
And then Mino's dad, who's actually the villain of the
season was like, hey, no duos. It's solo artist.
Only one person can win. He breaks them up and then they
have them do media training. And the question comes up the
day who's awkward as fuck is like, I need a lot of media
training. Help me.
And then Nino's like, they ask him, it's Nino and Kitty.
And they're like, OK, well, are you in a relationship?
And he's like, yeah, I have a girlfriend.
And Nino's like, listen, fans like to fanfiction you with
other people. So you can't.
This was the writers snitching on fan culture and being like,
you can't. You got to be vague about this
because fans like stripping celebrities, so like, you can't
be super truthful about this. So then when they he they get
asked the question later when Eunice and Day are together and
he's like, I'm single and she's like, I have a boyfriend.
Like their media training was different and that causes the
rift. But like, I mean, and is that
not a depiction of like what these celebrities and actors go
through where like they can't actually be truthful about their
personal lives or their fans get offended and then because they
can't ship them with their acting partners or singing
partners or whatever. So like, it was a it was a
commentary on that, which I liked.
But yeah, it like, that's the sacrifice that like, sometimes
like artists have to do like for their careers.
And like, look at the implication of this where like
she's like, Oh well, shit, you know what I mean?
But they didn't have the conversation to be like, hey,
how was your media training going?
You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, that's a really
random conversation to have when it's not doesn't come up
naturally. Yeah, why would it?
But it's also quite interesting. She won the competition at the
end and not yeah, I did like that.
I was like good, good. She deserved it.
She worked her ass off and I liked that she was a character
who like had ambition and a whole ass plot outside of love,
which is not Kitty. I was like, yes, somebody who's
like driven and wants to be successful and like I liked her
as a character a lot. I liked Eudus a lot.
What if in season 3 she was like do I like Kitty?
No, I don't like Kitty. No, I don't want that at all.
I want Eunice to keep doing her thing.
No, I'm just kidding. But just be like, because you
said that, then it's going to happen.
Speak that into existence. Oh yeah, So happy.
I was happy for Day. He got like, he did a lot of
growth because when we started the beginning, like everybody's
in love with Kitty, Kitty's in love with everybody, including
Day. So I like that he got to the end
where he like, he actually moved on versus like everybody was
trying to move on in a way. Like Kitty and Nino were trying
to move on. So they rebounded but didn't
work out. But then Day napped.
He like, he had one of those plots where like he wasn't
looking for love, but it it like organically happened where
they're at the club and he like just starts talking to these
girls and then it just organically happens, which
that's life. Like honestly, you find love
when you're not looking for it. When you're looking for it,
it's. It doesn't always come up, but
like, I like that his plot line was just like, oh, I happen to
meet you organically. We happen to have things in
common. Like I was like very happy for
him versus like, I feel like he easily could have had the plot
line where he tries to move on and just isn't.
He could have had Kitty Amina spotlight where he's just not in
it. And like, you end up hurting
somebody else in the process of like, but he did it.
He had a Oh yeah. His romantic plot line was I
liked his spotlight a lot in contrast to the other ones going
on really nicely. Which he deserves because he got
screwed the most. And see that one.
He really did. He deserves so much.
And then you get that episode at the club where.
The girls are actually. Interested in his story and he's
so surprised that they want to hear more about everything.
And it's just seeing him be supportive, supported by other
characters and being uplifted because he really doesn't have
as much confidence. You see him more withdrawing
with like you don't really see him hold himself straight up.
It it takes a lot for him and I feel like he was kind of beaten
down a little bit from his relationship with Kitty,
especially when he realizes that his best friend went after his
ex 30 minutes after they broke up, which is insane.
Yes, Mina. Yeah, at least.
We're weak, dude. I know that was really fucked
up, but that club sequence was awesome though.
So like this. So not only in this season do we
get Kitty being a bisexual disaster, we also get the queer
club that they all go to like, which was super cute and fun and
I'm glad they had that in there. Like you know we had Yuri and
her girl showed up and then Q finds his new man which plus
minus on that relationship for. Me, you know what with Q and
Jin, at the very least they did talk about how they were
feeling. It took there was a point where
it they weren't sure and Jin was kind of holding back.
But he does talk to him about like, oh, this is what is
happening. This is what's going on.
This is why I behaved the way I did and acted that way towards
you before we were even together.
So I did like that it was showing teens that communication
part of the relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Also, they were the only ones who made it out of that ski trip
in a better place. Yeah, no, I didn't.
Yeah. Ultimately they had a good arc.
Like their relationship was, it was good overall but what I
didn't like about it is a pork queue went from season 1 where
he gets screwed over by his boyfriend and then immediately
gets into a new relationship immediately when the season
starts and gets screwed over immediate.
So I didn't like that for him where he was just getting
screwed over and then gets screwed over again immediately.
Like I didn't like that part. But like, overall, their
relationship evolved into something real, like you said,
where they communicated, supported each other, that kind
of stuff, which was which was good.
But yeah, I just hated that for Q.
I'm like, again, he's back here again.
This poor man is cursed. Q Yeah.
Q&A are the best type men. Yeah.
They are there to support their friends even when they have
their own stuff going on too. In in this season, you see Kitty
always texting. Q&Q has so much shit going on
himself and you actually kind of see him not a breaking point per
SE, but start to be more stern with Kitty too, 'cause like, I
think he's the only one who's really saying that.
Like, come on, this is this is a lot.
This is you should not be doing this.
And he's finally like, no, I'm not doing that.
He's the only one that sets boundaries with her.
Like when she tries to like butt, when she tries to butt
into his stuff, he's like no stop.
Like he's the only one that puts boundaries up with her.
Everybody else, like, kind of lets her run the show.
So we need a therapy episode. I know I talked about therapy in
every single episode we do, but it's because they all need to
learn. But yeah, yeah, they need a
boundary learning episode. Yeah, they do all.
Right, trying to figure out where, Where should we talk
about next? Can we talk about the fact that
they insisted on making them all roommates in season in episode
1? Oh my gosh, hold on. 1st.
Of all, I'm pretty sure in episode 1 Kitty's like, oh, I
have a single and then they're just like and they like just
kidding you're rooming with Yuri and Juliana Oh yeah and Stella.
So you go from thinking that you're in a room alone and to
having. Three.
That's a lot. That's a lot.
That's sounds awful, even if you know the people you're expecting
to be able to live alone. Yeah, that sucks.
But yeah, they were really taking that.
And they were roommates, too. Far Yeah, I know they like it
literally made them all roommates, which I laughed at,
but I was like. There was a point, I think it
might have been in the first episode, Like, are they just
going to put the three of them together?
I mean, I'm still trying to do that.
I'm trying to like consciously get all the characters together
but I'm waiting for it. I just need one show to do it at
this point so I can shut up about it.
You gotta go watch the Wheel of Time.
You'll get polyamory for sure. It's built into the story.
I think that that would be too messy a relationship.
They all don't and somewhat I just want them to have one
character be single for a while. I know that there has to be like
the relationship drama for the show to show, but one of the
characters can be single. Someone needs to grow on their
own. I feel like that's going to be
furry in season 3. I hope so for her because you're
right, we did not see too much of her.
No. And her plot points in this
episode, in the season, we're kind of infuriating.
Yeah, I agree. I'll get into that after some
shout outs for our Chaos crew over on Patreon.
OK, so we're saving Gary Till later.
Yeah, just just until after those shout outs.
We. All right, let's talk about two
O 4 where they had Kitty's letter surfaces while they're at
the cabin. Oh, I was just going to do shout
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Let's get back to XO Kitty. So, Yuri, should we go back to
Yuri wherever? We want to go just you did.
You're you're in charge. OK so Yuri, I did not expect
Yuri to actually be into Kitty this season but the way they did
it was a little frustrating because they had her realize it
in the beginning of 1 episode and then by the end of the
episode she was kissing Kitty. It was very fast.
I feel like she only liked Kitty in that one episode and then it
that was your disappearing queerness was the Yuri Kitty
thing. It like, I guess Yuri was like,
oh, I guess maybe I like her. And then she kissed her and then
it was over. Like we never revisit that plot
line again. Like from Yuri's point of view
specifically. You never come back to that.
Yeah, And then after that, she's like, maybe we can be friends
again one day. And like, stopped being friends
with Kitty. It was weird.
It was the most. It was weird.
It was very weird. You're just.
Oh my gosh, sorry, plot point. It was a very plot line.
It was so quick. It was it was definitely there
just to cause issues at the ski trip.
Yeah, like, yeah, I think Yuri was the drama point for Kitty.
With no payoff on Yuri's end, it basically blew up her
relationship of ex. I forget how many years they
were together. Like they were together for a
while. Like Yuri.
Yuri and Juliana created not a perfect, they're children not a
perfect relationship. Like they have their problems.
A year, OK. About a year prior spring, she
told her that Yuri told Juliana that she liked her.
OK, so about a year they were together then they're already
living together. That was crazy.
So anyway, they not a perfect relationship.
They have their own problems to work work through or not because
they're children. But like the Kitty thing from
Yuri's point of view came out of nowhere honestly.
And like I don't even know why Yuri kissed her to be honest,
because it was just weird. And so like basically it was an
excuse to break up Jury and Juliana.
It was basically what it was because then it from like Yuri's
point of view, the thing happens with Kitty relapse of judgement
from her point of view, or she's like, Oh, I just I wasn't
thinking. I just was feeling things.
Whatever did it blew up my relationship.
Who am I without this relationship?
So then she flips out and she's like, I got to get the
relationship back because she's losing control of this big
aspect of her life. So then she's like, fuck off,
Kitty. I got to get my girlfriend back
because you're partially responsible for why this why I
lost her. So like, come on now.
But like they don't have enough conversations for like there to
be they kind of payout to this whole thing like Yuri and Kitty,
like they're they don't really interact a ton after that.
No, did not talk about feelings whatsoever.
No, it was just weird. It was very, very weird.
And I don't. Know what they're visiting No,
they probably won't because it's not important now.
It was literally just there to break them up create that the
big issue during the ski trip, which was a whole it's a whole
another story. You can talk about that if you
want in in a a little bit. That first of all, that
episode's funny, but there was no point to it.
I mean, I love that we visited it, but I wish we would have
actually made something out of it rather than just gloss over
that whole plot point. And again, it's probably for
time. We had 10 episodes last season.
We have 8 this season and we're still trying.
I think we were trying to cram it even more than the first
season. That's what I'm saying the first
season. We stayed with that triangle for
a while this season. Kitty's in love with something,
someone new, every single episode.
Like, literally yeah. Does it start?
It starts with the episode, ends with the episode, and then we're
on to someone new, right? And like with Yuri and Kitty,
it's like by the end they're friends again without really
talking. It was just very like, their
whole thing was super fragmented and just weird.
And then by the end, Yuri's just by herself.
Like she has her like step brother, cousin.
I forget what his relationship is.
Half brother, half brother. Yeah, step brother.
They share the same mom and the the head.
The principal now is his dad. So she has her step brother but
she doesn't have anything else at all.
So she's completely alone and like I guess her and Kitty are
friends maybe? So like going into season 3,
she's going to have a hell of a plot line is what I'm saying.
But we also see her. Or not treat her half.
Brother very well this season 'cause it was always like she's
only cared about her life and again you you've talked about in
other shows how these are teenagers they are in the me,
me, me part of their life whereas her half brother is an
adult and is in the oh you care about other people now part of
his life. So I'm hoping season 3, yeah,
she'll start trying to figure out herself and her life and she
has a lot of family issues going on right now with her, like the
big lawsuit, because that's going to be huge.
She has. No money, She has no money so
she's going to be forced to do this is what I'm saying.
The writers are forcing her into a self reflection arc because
she's by herself. She's isolated, she has nothing
she's going to have to change because her circumstances are
completely her circumstances did a 180 from the beginning of the
episode, the beginning of the seat, the show really until now
where she was like had money, she was admired, she had a
girlfriend, she had a family, all she had all the things on
paper. And now here she is in a
completely different situation. So yeah, her her she.
I feel like she will be the single character that has to
self reflect if they even give her scenes because I'm worried
about her getting screen time. She barely got screen time this
season. I hope that all the external
characters except maybe Praveena.
I do. I do.
I keep her. I loved her.
I. Enjoyed Praveena, She added
chemistry and vibes to the season I.
Yeah, she did. I like her with Juliana.
I don't not like them together. I think that makes sense.
Had an issue with Juliana only because I'm pretty sure that's
the that's the way the show is trying to make you think about
Juliana. Because again, that's the one
pulling Kitty and Yuri apart, even though they're not
together. She's definitely.
Juliana was getting screwed. Yeah, Juliana was getting
screwed over, and she was right to be.
What's the word? Insert suspicious.
Yeah, suspicious. Yeah, Juliana was right.
So like, jealous. Yeah.
And so like at the end when you're like, wow, Juliana, you
moved on so fast. But like, did she?
Her and Yuri were having problems for a while.
Like it really isn't out of nowhere.
And she knew that Praveena knew it.
But anyway, like because like that was my initial reaction to
watching her with Praveena at the dance.
And I was like, damn, that was fast.
But like really, when you look back at that whole their whole
relationship and like the Kitty Yuri stuff, like they were
having problems for a while and I think that like Yuri didn't
see it really or recognize it. But Juliana was like has been
suspicious of like Kitty like the whole and the Kitty and Yuri
the whole time. So like.
For, for, for her point, this was.
This has been eroding, our relationship has been eroding.
And I think for Yuri, she never saw it because she didn't
realize she was into Kitty or wasn't actually into Kitty.
Like we still confirmation. We don't know that because we
never got Yuri's point of view of the Kitty situation.
She just ran away from it really quickly.
So like, did she like Kitty? Did she not like Kitty?
We don't really know. But like Julia was like,
something's going on here. And so like their relationship
had been eroding for quite some time.
So for her to like, find somebody else pretty quickly
after them breaking out, it makes sense from her point of
view. From Yuri's point of view, it
doesn't make any sense because Yuri didn't In exile.
I gave so many signs. I didn't see any of the signs.
Like Yuri didn't see anything, and then she's like, what
happened? Like.
That is a great point. That is a great song to point
out for it too. That is definitely them.
Because you see Juliana even say in conversations on the phone in
the previous season, joking around that she should be
worried about Kitty, right? And then immediately as she when
she steps off the plane, like, yeah, you're going to be on
edge. Because this girl who is very
confident and is always meddling and is always in the way of
other people's relationships. And you're already suspicious of
here She's. Now coming out as by so now
she's even more of a. Of a threat?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, of a threat.
So yeah, she saw it from the beginning.
You see her be suspicious from the very beginning, and it's to
Kitty, it's probably annoying, and that's probably the view
we're getting of Juliana doing this.
But you can't blame her at all because Kitty's doing exactly
what she's saying is. Yeah.
And then also with Provina. Provina was never really with
Kitty, and she knew it. Kitty.
And they were just talking. They weren't even, like,
officially dating. Well, they were like, trying to
interfere. Yeah.
She's like, yeah, this is not going anywhere.
Well, yeah, She's like, you can't be talking to me.
And then like you're like, she's like you're clearly hung up on
somebody else. So like, why are let's not even
bother? And then so like Juliana and
Pravina were just like the who's been personally victimized by
Kitty song Covey club and like, that's how they get together.
And but like, they make sense together because they're like.
They do. They make more sense.
I think that, you know, Yuri and Juliana were the, you were my
high school girlfriend. We didn't make it like 99% of
high school couples. And that's OK.
I think that Yuri needs to go on a journey and figure out who the
hell she is because I don't think she's done that.
I think, well, I think because her circumstances are going to
be completely different. She needs to figure out who she
is like without the money, without being tethered to
Juliana with, you know, all that stuff.
And I think that perhaps her plot line will be relevant
because it's tied today because it's his dad's part of the clash
action lawsuit. So maybe but.
Yeah, we'll see. Between them, I don't think it
would just because. No, I don't mean like affect
them. I mean like the plot line will
be prominent because it's going to be part of Day's plot line
and therefore she'll get screen time.
That's what I mean. I don't mean cause a rift
between them or anything like that.
I just mean like, because like her independent plot line this
season I feel like was very put on the back burner.
But if she's tethered to Day, who got more screen time, she'll
get more screen time. That's all.
I mean, I don't mean a rift between them or anything like
that. It is weird that she didn't get
more screen time since she did get so much in season 1 because.
She was tethered to Kitty and once she got out of Kitty's
orbit, you have to be in Kitty's orbit to get screen time because
Kitty's the main character. So that's why I like worry for
Yuri. Like will she have an arc?
Who knows. I think if she's tethered today,
maybe in the plot line, but. I mean, who knows what they're
gonna do? Maybe they'll do another who has
an idea for the season and then throw it all together.
Yeah, who knows, Maybe the clash action policy will be solved by
the time we start the show. Like, who knows?
Yeah. Because there might be that time
job through summer and maybe there's, I mean, class is a long
time, but. It's, it's a made-up land,
Caitlin. They might.
I know, I know, it's a made-up land.
OK. I'm trying to be realistic.
They're like. Oh, Kitty.
Your scholarship's out. And then in 5 minutes they're
like, just kidding, here's a second one.
Like, you know what I mean? They might do that stuff and
you're like, OK, yeah, Kitty wasn't going to come back to the
school then what's the show about?
Like, come on. My suggestion was everybody goes
to an American school and then it's a shit shell.
Do you imagine that? Oh my gosh, in this America, no,
they should not be coming here. No, I'm like do not come back.
Do not come back. Stay there.
And they'll come back, stay there.
Did you have any other thoughts about Stella this?
Show season. Was she the villain?
That's my question. Because really, Nino's dad's the
villain. Because if he wasn't a horrible
human being, we wouldn't have this revenge mission.
Like, like, OK, but that's to say I consider with the way what
happened is that she was on a show similar to like American
Idol, something like that as a tribe.
As a child. OK, yes, as a yeah child, minor
child with a dream, that is a good thing to remember then
because it's fine. And he says I don't know exactly
what. He basically said you're, you're
talented at singing, but you're ugly so therefore you cannot
pursue your dreams. That's literally what he tells
her as like this man who like has all the power to make or
break you in this industry. And like you literally told a
child that. And it's like glorifying the
whole Simon Cowell, like being rude as fuck to people, which
look what the damage that that does to to real people.
These aren't actors. These are actual people who are
trying to get a job. And like, this is how you're
treating them. It's a child who's
impressionable and has a dream. And like, here he is doing this
thing and being like, you're, you're talented but ugly,
therefore you'll never make it. And she's like, but I was told
that beauty comes from the inside.
You know the lie we tell children to make him feel better
and like she believed that and he's like, Nope, that's a lie.
Basically your whole life's a lie.
You're never going to make it. And then she's like, fuck you,
yes, I will make it. And that's basically her plot
line. So I'm like, I understand where
she like I empathize with her plot line.
Like I think that that's not unreasonable to be really pissed
off about this and make it your life mission to be like, I can
make it despite you and then try to bring him down.
I'm like, I mean, is that not mob boss's flat line and the US
the series like I only way worse like.
Way worse that is true. I mean that one OK no that one
see the US storyline I think is deserved.
This one. Just because he beaded her down
with words, it doesn't mean like she can blackmail and go through
the family like that. I I don't think that that's a
pass. I still think it's a pass.
I'm saying I understand her plot line and I'm like, I understand
how we get here with her. And then it's kind of a cop out
for at the end for him to be like, now that I have a son
who's fucked up royally. I understand.
It took me 30 years but I get it now.
At least he apologized to her. But still it's like too little
till April. Like how many other like Esther
slash Stella's did you live? Did you ruin also, You know what
I mean? I'm like, you've been doing this
for decades. Like how many other Stella's out
there are there that you like ruin their lives?
But again, from like your for your what you're saying like
from her point of view too, It's like you're not entitled to
being a star just because you want to be or just because you
dream of something doesn't mean you're automatically going to
get it. But for to have somebody to be
like you'll never get it just because you're ugly is really as
a child is like what a damaging thing to hear.
Also, like, so I understand her motivation for all of this and
then being so desperate about it.
And like, again, like the this was a revenge plot line where
like her circumstance, it could have been worth it from her
personally. Because like if she had gotten
to be a star, like then her circumstances change and the
revenge is kind of worth it from her point of view versus just
like the satisfaction of taking you down.
That doesn't change your circumstances at all, which was
us the series. So yeah, revenge is messy.
I just like, I get where she's coming from.
I do. I just think about like if all
the people that Simon Cowell has said things to were to like try
and blackmail him. It's just.
But like, here's the deal though, maybe us as the people
watching these shows shouldn't be glorifying people like Simon
Cowell because look at the damage it's doing to actual
human beings. Like we're all culprits on this.
Well, I mean, I never liked. I didn't.
I mean like the. People who watching it, that
made it popular, yeah. That's what I mean.
We're all complicit in this culture where we tear each other
down for things that are out of your control.
Now you're saying all these things and it seems like there
is a lot of commentary on the entertainment space I.
Think so in. This season, because it's
definitely, I mean, we have the the class about entertainment
business and you see how corrupt it is.
Yeah, everything he's teaching them like, oh, keep her in the
thing because she's terrible. And they're like, what?
Prop up the person. We want to win.
Yeah. So no, it's not.
I mean, it's like it is a great commentary.
Here's the corruption, too, that it's like all of this is
centering around nepotism, which is like, we have to prop up my
son's act. It's all adaptatism.
Yeah. This is a huge commentary in the
entertainment industry which I personally liked through like
the kids simulus quote UN quote simulating this kind of thing.
And then you see you, Yeah, you see it how it is for like the
normal people trying, working so hard to get where they want to
be, but then also the people who are at the top and you see the
the brother who got a girl pregnant and oh, no, he can't be
with her, but he wants to be with her and he's in love with
her. So like, that's that was
Stella's blackmail. And they have to come out
publicly on stage because they don't they have to get rid of
the leverage that she has on them.
So they're not even able to do this on their own terms.
First of all, that whole, That whole.
Episode was so rushed because all of this is like explained
and accepted very quickly. Yes, yeah.
We could have we could have easily had this plot line go in
the season 3 and I get that they didn't know if they were going
to get another season. So I do appreciate them
wrapping. Yeah, that's.
Fair. That is fair, That is fair.
But we could, we could have had the storyline go into the next,
like wrap it up in a way that it could be like, Oh my gosh, what
would happen? Or maybe they could have had
come to an agreement where Stella would keep quiet if
something happened. Basically, they're still in the
blackmail territory, like she didn't win.
Or they could have had the competition go into the next
season and it would just be something like, okay, I feel
like we had to feel like, is Kitty coming back?
They had to get to the Kitty back to Kitty stuff.
So they had to get yeah, that's fair.
They could have spaced this out more like introduce the brother
stuff earlier in the season. And yeah, that's what I mean,
They didn't space out the plot lines really well.
They just felt fragmented because we spent a lot of time
in one plot line and we had to put other plot lines in the back
burner. And then when you get back,
time's jumping, so you're like. Yeah, we spend half the show
with the oh, my dad's never around.
Exactly. We spent way too much time.
Oh, I should spend time with him, repair that relationship
and like, Oh my gosh, no, it's the brother this whole time.
And oh, oh, no, your brother was having issues and that's why.
But I couldn't tell his brother that.
Like, it's not like it was a stranger or a friend, an
outsider. It was literally his brother.
So he he should have been able to communicate that with Mino
that, oh, this is going on, I have to be there.
Yeah, but they don't talk. It's kind of the thing.
It's like the dad, their whole situation.
Is that the dad isolated the older brother and was like,
you're joining the family business, which is entertainment
and then Mino gets forgotten. So the Mino is really like
estranged from the rest of his. He doesn't have a relationship
with his brother or his dad. So like that's why they're not
talking. And so like at the end, it's
like after the dad realizes the errors of his ways, the brother
is free because like the reason he wasn't coming clean about
like the woman he's in love with is because dad's like, that'll
ruin your career. You can't, this was the media
training. He's like, you can't be married
because then who's going to ship you with, you know, that'll ruin
the fan base. So that's why he didn't do it
because of the entertainment industry shit.
So then he broke out of that at the end.
And that's why at the end they're like, let's have a
family like tour like, and we'll actually spend time together
because we're free of dad's bullshit and dad has seen the
error of his way. So now they can, like, actually
forge a relationship, but they didn't really.
The three of them didn't have one.
Like, you know, brother was working for dad and under his
thumb. And then, you know, it was like
the outcast of that group. Yeah.
So it took us a long just get them talking as human beings.
And then we had to rush the plot line at the end kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm curious to see if maybe season 3 they do a little bit of
the summer to see the reconnecting because a big theme
of the show is reconnecting. In season 1 we get Kitty trying
to reconnect with her mom. And family pass.
Specifically, yeah, reconnecting with family because season 2.
Reconnecting with the grandmothers season 3 probably.
I mean, it's going to be Yuri trying to keep her family
together. Or not.
Who knows what that's going? To be you know what, maybe she's
just she actually kind of like, screw you, all of you.
Who knows of her found family all the way.
So maybe reconnect with her Fountain family Kitty?
Who knows? Who knows?
No, seriously, Kitty, What? The fuck is going on with?
Kitty at the end. Like what the fuck is going on
with Kitty at the end? Can we say she's going to go
medal in the the new reconnecting family's life?
Like what, what was the ending? Seriously though, because she's
like, I guess like OK, first of all, they are setting up Nino as
the end game ship. So whoever is into that they got
they had the Cherry Tree behind him.
He's the end game ship, whatever.
But then like she's like, I don't know if it's our time.
And then she goes on the trip with him.
So like are they dating on the trip?
Like what is the trip going to be for the and for them
specifically is my question because like this was I don't
really last minute and weird. Because she says it's not our
time yet. But then she says or and then
she like gets him. Yeah.
So like, are they dating now? Like is this there to be their
dating trip because. It's just.
Go ahead. Maybe she wants to reconnect
with him and just hang out more and slowly.
She doesn't do anything slow though.
No, that's why like like that would make sense writer wise
because then like what is season 3 about?
If they get together on this trip off screen, which fans
would riot? Like what is season 3 about?
Because then she has a boyfriend and they don't break up Like
that's not the style of XO Kitty the show at all.
It has to be chaos because Kitty's middle name is chaos.
So like, what is Season 3 about? So your theory that like, yeah,
we just stayed friends or whatever because then you have
to do the will. They won't, they think still.
So like I feel like that would make more sense for like setting
up a season 3, but a whole summer of that is not in Kitty's
nature. So like, I don't even, I
wouldn't even believe that if they told me that, you know what
I mean? I wonder if she was kidding.
I didn't go. What if her dad, not her dad
Mino's dad picks her off the tour very quickly and just like,
can't handle it. Too much meddling, I.
Don't blame him. I feel she has to go home at
some point. She can't just stay in Korea and
then go on tour the whole summer without going home.
I mean, she can. She.
Can. She has way too much free reign
in life. That's what I'm saying, she her
bad behavior gets reinforced but like I don't understand what
they're really going to do writer wise because everything
revolves around her relationship drama.
Yeah, they can't. They can't start the season with
her, with Mino, right? I mean they unless if they do
spend most of it break up, broke up if.
They do. They're going to break them up
because like, what is the show? Yeah, which I especially
happening. We all know Mino's going to be
end game. It's the end game.
Probably going to end up where they're not together.
And like the final episode, I swear that it's going to be on
the plane. She's going to sit down next to
him instead, you're right. And be like, will you be my
boyfriend? Something like that.
And I wasn't like that. The finale episode I keep
talking about, OK, well, there's a plane.
Where's the plane? I I was expecting it in this
season and we didn't get it. So I'm waiting for the plane
scene again. Because they do love bookends.
And we see, we saw that in the last season with the dreams.
Oh my God, the fuck? That's what I mean.
Kitty acts like Nino's her brother and then has a dream and
it's like, oh wait, where my feelings are back.
I was like why? Why are we doing this in the
last few episodes? Like where was this dream
earlier in the season? You know what I mean?
Yeah, we need, they need to learn to sprinkle out more.
Yeah, instead of condensing it into episodic ones, right.
Sprinkle off the timeline. It was hard for me to follow.
Kitty's feelings because they seemed very spur the moment in
sporadic versus like, I don't know if she's been dwelling on
this, trying not to think about it.
It was just like, again, her feelings from, you know, came
out of a dream again. And I was like, why are we back
at the the dream, you know? I have a a question because I
don't know is this a teenager thing where you are completely
into someone one day and then a few days later are completely
into someone new to? The point where you're in love
with them, though, because like the way Kitty got there and was
like, oh, I'm in love with him. I was like, are you you had a
dream? Like what do you mean like?
Does she know what love is? That's my question for all.
Her little people that in Season 3.
Yeah, for all her people in her bullshit.
Yeah, you're right, You're right.
Maybe she keeps matchmaking people and getting people
together, but she doesn't actually understand what love.
Is I would like to see that for Season 3, honestly, like her
tried out with me. She had a relationship, yeah.
Because just like thinking about it, what are you actually
supposed to feel like? Because it's, I mean, like, I
wouldn't know how to describe it.
I don't even, I don't know. How do you figure that out?
It's a big emotion and big, big feelings.
It's big feelings. Sometimes it's not even.
The feelings are part of it, but not the whole extent of what
love means. So yeah, like because like,
Kitty's only relationship she's had was the pen pal thing with
Day. Like they were never physically
together on a daily basis. So does Kitty know what a
relationship is in person and. How does she think it's just,
oh, I really like hanging out with this person and I want to
hang out with them some more. So it'd be really it'd be
interesting to see her explore. An actual.
Actual feelings and. Where she's not chasing somebody
else at the same time because you can argue she was with Day
in person in season 1, but like she was into other people so
like what is she with Day? She was emotionally cheating on
him most of the time. So like I would like to see her
in a relationship where she's actually exploring that
relationship and not loved. Dating, like going on dating
without thinking of other people while she's with that person?
Yeah, no. Was like even other storylines
where like thinking about her mom and thinking about other
things and plot points while hanging out with this person.
She needs to really just be spending time with this person.
And if it's me, No, Fine. I don't care who she ends up
with. Can you do that?
I need Kitty to grow as a person.
Yeah. And she is growing, but like, I
need her to get into a mature relationship, like a actual
relationship and explore the relationship, not the chasing of
people because she's been chasing people for a couple of
seasons. Let's like have her be in a
relationship and actually like, see what that's like.
Maybe she hates it. And it was like, I'm not a
monogamous person. Like who knows?
Like I would like her to explore it, you know?
There is so much to explore. Yeah, totally.
And maybe we should see them in school at least.
Like it's. My thing too at the end, like is
Kitty passing her classes? I don't.
We never talk about school this season.
Oh. Technically we do see them in
classes, but it's not like a typical class.
I want to see them in a math class, OK?
I want to see all the gays trying to do math.
Oh my God, seriously? But like, was Kitty passing to
school? Because where we left the first
season, she was doing horribly in school.
So like, is she doing all right? We don't know.
We don't talk about grades at all this so.
Remember Dana like you have to? Be first in your class to get
your scholarship. We never talked about it in this
season. Was he getting a scholarship?
Like, who knows? Hold on, Dave's getting a
scholarship is about to lose it because he's not first in class
yet. We get a conversation last
season where Kitty calls her dad is like I'm failing all my
classes. Right.
That's what I mean. She.
Doesn't never talk about it again.
Yeah, we never talked about school in season 2.
It's all like, what were they OK academically?
Like maybe we should revisit that in season 3.
We really should. There's a lot of things we need
to read this concern, then keep going.
You know who who also got less screen time this season but
never really had a lot. But they're they're hilarious
every time we see them. Madison.
She was great. I loved her at the cabin.
Madison and this she just said she has no filter.
First of all, she has doesn't care what people think about
her. It's just there to have a good
time and is always herself and that that is something that all
the other characters need to learn first of all.
Well, having a filter. Maybe not the no filter part.
Yeah, I was like, maybe not the no filter part.
We Kitty needs a filter because she's also very impulsive with
her actions. And I think that's where a lot
of the meddling comes in, because she doesn't know where
to stop her. She doesn't know how to create
boundaries for herself with other people.
Yeah. She needs to learn boundaries.
Agreed. Maybe Madison could help her
with that and then we could get more Madison.
Well, no, because she doesn't know boundaries with speaking.
She needs like a whole village of everybody coming to the
boundaries together. Together at this point, yes, but
Madison, she's the only other character who doesn't really get
screwed by anybody else because she does it.
She's not tied to anyone right now, yes.
I think she might keep herself like that because she sees all
this shit happening, so she doesn't have herself tied to
anyone. It'd be interesting to see her
become more of a main character, more of a like supporting
character rather than this random guest star, and see her
learn to create a genuine connection too.
Genuine not genuine connection but also some of these side
characters definitely need to leave because it's too many
right now. There's too many.
Have a cohesive story they brought in.
We have a lot of great characters, but each main story
brought in another character and it was it was too messy.
They need to be more interconnected to make sense for
the overall story, which I'm glad.
With every storyline we've gotten, I'm really interested in
it. I just they could have spread
this out in the two different seasons to really give time and
breathing room. Yeah, well, I agree.
I just think this is like, you know, the situation we're in
with American, you know, Western media, or it's like, who knows
if you're getting another season and if you do, you're going to
have less episodes. So it's really it must be really
difficult as writers to really plan how to end stuff because
like it could just be the end and you you know, you don't
know. So you kind of have to wrap
everything up. Otherwise you're forever the
show that left all these plot holes warrior none where like
you never get satisfaction because it's over.
And yeah, so I I feel like they had to do what they had to do.
I just think they could have paced things differently versus
like shoving everything at the end.
Like they could have paced minnow stuff out.
They could have paced the Kitty Minnow stuff out throughout the
season versus putting it just in the like, last three episodes.
And it's like, wow, you're revisiting this.
It's like, obviously you want me to ship this because you're
shoving this down my throat at the end.
And it's like, where was this in the beginning?
We're also at a time where the industry is not very supported
and writers are not getting paid as much.
There's not as many jobs, there are probably less writers in the
room, they're probably rushed, and I'm wondering if they even
had the full story arced when they started writing.
That's true. Because they probably could,
because it did kind of read like that too, where they started and
then maybe they got changes. And yeah, that's true.
There was issues behind the scenes where they had to pivot.
It wasn't cohesive halfway through.
I think that's like a good point where it was just like, oh, what
the hell is happening right now? Everything just came out of
nowhere. Yeah, I think you're right that
that feels like a something happened behind the scenes and
they had to pivot. That's definitely I don't.
Know if they always knew that they got it.
Like I don't know if it was announced in the beginning that
was only 8 episodes because I'm very curious why it went from
7:50. Maybe they had a whole 10
episode arc and they had to condense it to 8.
I feel like that's also standard is that you get 8 episodes,
yeah. They also never know what gets
filmed and then cut later. Could be because some of it
doesn't make sense. In Yellowjackets, there's a
scene in the finale that got cut, and so some half the lines
in it makes sense for the side characters to say, yeah, it's
you never know what's. Happening, you never know, it's
true. It could have been a behind the
scenes last minute. They had to edit it together
kind of thing. And it's like, damn, this just
got all rushed. That make.
That would make sense. Yeah.
Because like, yeah, it doesn't feel as cohesive as seasons 1.
And so it's very plausible. I mean, what was the gap between
season 1, Season 2? Is it 2 years a year?
It's more than a year. Wasn't it for XO Kitty?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was like a couple weeks.
It was a break. No, I we're in the same here.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
I just, I realized that as I was saying that.
No, yeah, it was. It was 2 years I2.
Years. That's what I thought, yeah.
So like a lot has changed in the industry in the two years.
So yeah, who? Knows and they got they got
prolonged by the strike and the different strikes yeah going on.
Yeah, exactly so. So much going on.
It's really shitty. Something needs to change with
the industry. Oh my God, we got to figure this
shit out because everybody behind the scenes is very
important. And yeah, studios are not
realizing that right now. And I don't understand how
they're not realizing. They think that AI can replace
all and it can. That is what they think, yeah.
Another storyline that felt very rushed it I mean it was rushed,
but also not because it was kind of there so Kitty trying to
figure out Simon. So first of all, we had to
figure out who Simon was and we got that by episode 3 and then
it went into oh, I have other family here let's reconnect with
them. Oh, my grandmother and her
sister don't speak anymore. That was a huge a story that I
kind of wish we spent more time on too.
Maybe just we should have stopped with her finding them at
the end, Like maybe reconnecting with them by the finale rather
than trying to get the family back together because that
should have taken a little bit more.
Yeah, I would have. Played that.
I mean, it killed me when she got there and she was
immediately thrown out because, first of all, I mean, you don't
just show up. Boundaries we.
Probably should. We should have done this on a
third party location and external.
So you're not going into their home, their place and meeting
them? No, did not tell them who you
were at that point also OK. No, they could have done that
with the original plan where she did not tell them.
Who she was, but she's impatient.
You saw that in there. She's impulsive.
Exactly.
This was Kitty. Classic Kitty being Kitty and
not like reading the room and doing what Kitty wants.
And then it all goes to shit. And then it all.
Goes to hell and it's like girl. And then other people have to
fix it. Other people have to fix it.
Yeah, exactly. Classic.
But yeah, I agree. I was more invested in this plot
line than all the other plot lines and it like popped up,
fell away, popped up, fell away. But I do like the reunion of the
the sisters. That was oh.
My gosh, that was so. Beautiful and sweet and I'm glad
we got that. That was really cute.
I want to spend more time with her family honestly.
That is the heart of the show. That was the part of the like
the yeah, the relationship was there, but the heart of the show
and the movies was the family connection.
Yeah, because you saw Kitty in the movies and you see that
interaction with Laura, Jean and Kitty and how the relationship,
like Peter interacts with Kitty. It was always based around
family at the end of the day, where this season put that to
the side. It was a mean plot point, but it
was always sidelined for all these other stories going on.
Yeah, exactly. I agree.
And I thought that maybe with like her and Guri going after
it, we'd get more into it because like the friend was in
it. And then when like Nino got
involved, I'm like, OK, now we'll get more into Kitty's
family stuff. But we kind of never really did.
I mean we did at the end but like still.
And it got resolved with like a conversation with two sentences
said by each person and that it was again, it was too rushed.
But it did show how like 1 moment in history can change the
way that families interact. Like they were separated this
whole time by 1 misunderstanding.
And so seeing the sisters and being like, I thought about what
I would say to you all these years if I saw you again, like,
it's, it's really emotional. And it would have been great to
just stay on that more. But of course, what do we get?
We get Kitty figuring out that she likes me now again.
Yep. In the rain.
Yep. Because we have to make it about
relationships. I want us to like just focus on
family for one episode. OK, let's can we do that?
Because we had that in Season 1 with.
We did. Fury with Kitty figuring out
like going again, sneaking into the teacher's house.
But, you know, at least it was focusing on the story of her
trying to figure out who her mom was and that history.
I mean, I guess we kind of got that scene again where they had
to go into the archives and Pervina let them in and.
Oh yeah, we're. Doing that, we did get that kind
of like sneaky detective stuff for my family.
Like we did do that. It's just there was a ton of
plot lines going on. It's just like.
It's just easy to forget about it's.
Easy to forget, almost pieces. Yeah, exactly.
It's just there's a lot. We need we need to put more
heart into it rather than focus messiness.
Put more. Focus.
Yeah, yeah, this this was an
ADHD season. Theora it really was like, it
really was ADHD season. It really was.
That's a good way of putting it. I think does Kitty have ADHD?
Probably. Is that what is the best problem
with Kitty's ADHD? Because maybe that is like,
that's what's going on. She is jumping so much like from
the Mino stuff, her family stuff.
She doesn't think about school. So that's why we don't see
school. That's why she's failing.
That's true. That's true.
No, it definitely reads like that.
Like this, this is Kitty's brain, this is this is Kitty's
life, just jumping from things to thing, not really seeing
things through. And that's why it's kind of
disjointed as a possibility. Yep.
OK. Again, just just really quickly
about the overall show, unless you have any specific plot
points that you wanted to talk about.
I just want to talk about the cabin episode with the letter.
Because yeah, that's it. I just want to talk about that
episode. I, I what was Katie thinking by
writing that letter in the 1st place?
What the hell? OK, well, hold on.
All right, I understand. Because people journal.
Her journal is letters and it's never meant to supposed to go to
people. But her, she got it from her
sister. So it's a family thing at this
point? No, it is a family thing,
'cause. They all write letters.
Then so it's a letter family, but they don't intend to send
them We let's not put it in envelopes.
I don't know why we. Don't address it to the come on
man. Anyway, that was just ripe for
stealing. And then, I mean, it is
hilarious the way that Madison finds it.
And of course, immediately it's like, you know, I'm.
No, what's yeah, what's what I liked about it is that all the
women at the cabin were like, well, it's obviously about me.
All of them were like, this is clearly about me because of this
line and this line and somebody's in love with me.
The way all the women are just like it's about me was really
funny. It's funny.
Anything shows. It's like an indicator that
they're all like in the selfish part of their life, like they
all think it's about them. That and it's just like, again,
a commentary on like media, the way you can see yourself in
media. I'm like, okay, that's fair.
So, and it's like, not about you.
At all. And then, but then when they're
reading it, of course it's Pravina and Juliana reading this
letter. They get to the line that says
matchmaker. I'm sorry, how did no one else
figure that? Who out who wrote this once it
said matchmaker. Does everybody know that that's
Kitty's obsession? Or is it just like her actual
close friends that know that about her?
I, I don't, I feel like if I feel like it's probably a joke.
That said, I it everyone has to know.
I mean, I don't know. But also as you can see in,
like, Korean culture that, like, matchmaking is a thing.
So I don't know that it necessarily means Kitty.
Yeah, that'd be a red flag in Kitty's direction, but like, I
don't know. I mean, Juliana sure knew.
Yeah, because she's. Just got to be on her toes.
As I said, that relationship has been eroding since season 1
because of Kitty specifically. But yeah, Oh my gosh, Yuri.
Yuri. First of all, the way that she
just stole Kitty in the middle of everyone, That's not
suspicious at all. Like, Juliana's right there and
you're taking Kitty by the hand and taking her to a different
room. What is Juliana supposed to
think? I know.
She could have been like, hey, Juliana, I need to talk to you
real quick. I think this letter is about me
or something. I mean, that wouldn't make sense
either. She does have to talk to Kitty
about it, but the way that she did it was really.
Weird. Everything with them was weird.
This season everything was weird.
The whole thing with your and Kitty was weird.
And then you do get the scene later in the episode where
Kitty's in the hot tub and Mino comes out to talk to her, which
is another parallel identifier. Yeah, parallel that she's going
to end up with Mino. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a scene that happened in To All the Boys with Laura, Jean
and Peter. So again, they they are setting
this up. We know that it doesn't matter.
Good for them. Give us a good story to get
there. That's all I care about.
Give Yuri an actual plot line. But yeah, that that cabin, it
was a very interesting arc. I yes, thank you for get making
them put away their phones. I love that part of it, too,
because they were forced to interact with each other.
And the writers were like, if they have their phones, it's not
going to be plausible that they're interacting with each
other because someone's always on their phone.
And you see that immediately as they get power again.
Yeah. And I was just like, of course,
of course, they're immediately on their phone.
But it's really. Not a bad thing.
I I would have liked them just be like see more bonding playing
the playing games. But we had to.
We don't have time for that shit.
We have to get through the drama, right?
But I do love that Hugh and Jen are the only ones who make it
out alive of that cabin. And, you know, some could argue
Madison. I mean, see they did.
But then that started the drama with Day and Mino and Jen.
No I know, but I mean like it they made it out as a couple but
like they didn't make it out drama free cuz then that started
new. That's.
True, that's. What?
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody left drama free except
Madison. Cuz she like she's drama free
because she puts it all out there, but that's because she's
a tertiary character. She can get away with that.
Yeah, She thought there was going to be drama because the
letter was about her, so she addressed it immediately.
She's like that. That's we're not no also, girl,
good job. You don't want to you don't want
to be involved with this group right now.
She's like, I know when to come. It's when we get stuff out of
it. Yeah.
I'll go for a scoot free ski trip.
Anything else about the ski trip?
No, all right. So just overall, I felt like the
season was very predictable, which is saying a lot for me
considering I don't see anything coming.
But it it was it's it's teenager difficult stuff with the way
that it's finished. I just, I love how funny it is
though. The the one liners are very
great. They're well written, well
delivered. All the actors are doing a great
job. Like Exo Kitty.
Kitty is very annoying at times, but the actress Anna Cathcart
kills it in her role. She's doing everything she's
supposed to do. Yeah.
And I, I have a great time watching the show because I'm
laughing my ass off the entire time.
Mostly when Q and Kitty are talking together, they they're
hilarious because that is the true brother dynamic.
Brother, sister, dynamic. Yeah, they really did a good job
of solidifying them as like best friends this season.
I think that was successful. They did a good job with that,
being like, yes, this is they are best friends, these two.
And just because you're best friends with someone doesn't
mean you need to do everything they ask you to do.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
So they, yeah, I like that about this, this this season.
That was really good. They did a good job with that.
For the sake of all the teenagers watching or and
younger, I hope they explore boundaries in season 3.
They, they need. We all need that lesson.
I still need that. Lesson.
Kitty needs that lesson. Kitty definitely needs that
lesson out of everybody. Not even like, but not
boundaries for herself. Boundaries of not like
boundaries for other people letting into their lives, right?
Everyone needs to learn boundaries in their own way,
whether it be for themselves or for someone else.
You have any overall thoughts for the show before we wrap up?
I said most of it. I'm I'm glad they got a season 3
so we can keep going with this. And you know, I'm glad it's
going to be in the same setting and we don't have to deal with
that drama. Like I like that that was
resolved. So like, Kitty will be back at
Kiss and we're just going to be at Kiss and we'll see where this
goes because like, people are going to be graduating soon.
Yeah, we have. I think we're all in the same
year. Scholarships, yeah.
And stuff. So we have one year left.
It'll be interesting. Are we going to do the full
year? Is it going to be the summer?
Is it going to be the full year or is it going to just be?
Fall. Yeah, exactly.
Season they have very a lot of options and who knows, like
season you're lucky to get season 3.
It's very rare to get a season 4 now.
Yeah, I think this will. I think realistically this
probably will be the last season.
So just because of the industry, not because of the show not
being successful. I think they they could wrap it
up in the next. Season, I think so if they do, I
think they're going to have to. Yeah, because there's only so
much meddling. And will they, won't they?
You can do at the show because Kitty has gone through half the
cast in this one season alone. Correct, Correct.
So I just fully anticipate the Mino Kitty end game in the next
season. I just like to see where where
this goes with everybody else because that's where Kitties and
Mino are headed. So we'll see.
Do you have a big energy award for this show?
Pervita. The scene, Praveena, you know
what? There is no other answer except
no, because she that's the moment we met her.
I was like, oh, OK, that is the answer.
I don't even. I don't have to think about that
because I don't think there is another answer that could beat
Praveena. No Praveena.
Big gay energy and that's why she needs to stay in Season 3.
And then also like the club scene.
At the gay club. That was the second, just cuz
like there's so many queers in there and I love that day.
Meets all the straight girls and it's not with them in a cute
way. So like PSA to straight men who
go to gay bars to pick up straight women because women
hide there so they don't have to deal with men hitting on them.
This like if you're going to go into that space, like don't
fucking do that and like be a actual person that's just going
to hang out and be a friend because that's what day was
doing. He was just like, I'll just be
one of the one of the girls and like gossip with you and that's
fine. And then he ended up finding
love that way because he was being a non threatening real
person. Yeah, yeah, like you should be.
Yeah, be respectful when you're in queer spaces and you're not a
queer person. That's all I'm saying.
PSA. That is a great point and
something that we really should not.
Have to say I know, but here we are.
Here we are in America. In 2025, we actually have to say
these things. We are now at the end of the
episode, which means I have some questions for our audience.
So they're not life altering questions.
If you are watching or listening still, just let me know.
What did you think of season 3 and the storylines?
Which one was your favorite? What would you like to see in
season 3? Oh my God, season 2.
Thank you. I was always in season 3 because
it was renewed before I started watching season 2.
I was like this is season 3. What would you want to see in
Season 3? Yeah.
And if you could add anything to Season 2, what would you have
added or taken away? There's so much going on.
Just let me know your thoughts or, you know, join the Discord
and just let us know everything. We'll have a whole discussion
about it. I'm curious.
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