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Whoa whoa, we have to hydrate for Phi first.
Fiora, that's literally what I was about to say.
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Not do that. No, it just it needs to happen.
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And now that we have all hydrated for five, let's get
into Part 1, where we unfortunately start with
homophobia. Which is why we had to hydrate
for five. Yes, this starts off with.
Homophobia. Oh, this is This episode is
hailed homophobia at its finest. Yeah, unfortunately, OK.
So apparently Chet forgot his phone and conveniently had to
come back and interrupt the beautiful moment that Nung
Squared is having. And it seems to me that he just
walked into this palace without knocking because, like, there
was no announcement of his presence whatsoever.
Yeah, like, like, they, they should have been able to hear
him enter, right? Like.
Like that is a really good point.
I I don't know. I don't know if they left
through some, like, different exit than normal because it
doesn't look like the same area where, like, remember, every
time big nun takes drunk little nun home, it's always through
that one entrance. And then Auntie Nim immediately
appears and it's like, hey, this is the entrance.
Yeah. Where were the servants to,
like, greet this dude? He just, like, walked in.
I don't know. Also is maybe Auntie Nim just
tired of all this bullshit and be like it's true over with so
she's like. She's like, you know what?
I'm tired of this. Yeah, exactly.
But can we go back to the excuse of he, quote, forgot his phone?
Like did he do that on purpose or did he actually forget his
phone? I.
Don't know. Actually, right, Because like,
OK, here's my thoughts. Yes, that he did it on purpose
would require him to have a functioning brain cell, and we
know that he doesn't have that. Yeah.
So I think that no, the idiot, he's an idiot who just forgot
his cell phone at the palace and just like happened to walk in on
this. It just seems like the a such a
coincidental moment, but like Chad has been, I don't know,
kind of suspicious of them a little bit, but it's.
Definitely been suspicious, but probably only because Big Nung
isn't into him. Right.
No, exactly. So I don't think he put the
she's into my daughter piece together quite yet to like stage
this, you know, it will require him to be a smarter person than
he is. So I think he's just an.
Idiot who forgot his phone at the palace.
But it could also be, oh, I'll leave this.
Well, he could have also forgotten it, but it gives him
an excellent. Excuse.
To go talk to big. Nun again, right?
But he, like he knew. Little Nung was gonna be there,
so like, but also he's not smart, so maybe he forgot his
daughter was gonna be there. And to your point was like, oh,
I can get her a loan and we can brief his with the I wanna marry
you thing. But then, yeah, little Nung was
very much there. And then he's like, oh, all of
my plans were thwarted. But he does forget that he has a
daughter unless it benefits at that point, so.
Yeah, so that's also plausible that he, he staged this just to
talk to big Nung and then forgot little Nung 'cause he does it a
lot. Yeah, that's fair.
That is fair. Either way, I hate him.
This is the theme of this episode.
I hate him. I hate him OK but as he is
entering Nung Squared is sitting very close on the couch and Big
Nung just looks up at him. And to me this doesn't really
look suspicious. Like I don't understand any
suspicion around this because it's not like they were making
out and like big Nung shirt was unbuttoned or something like
they were talking. This could this could have been
a lot worse. I will say, though, like, OK,
but like little Nung was like in big because remember OK, they
did the kiss and then little nun like they lingered in each
other's personal spaces. And so when he comes in, they're
like a breath apart from each other.
So like, that is kind of suspicious.
But in the in the book, and this was a lot, he actually catches
them kissing in the book. Like, OK, first of all, there's
the whole I we were showering together.
He's like, wait a minute. And that's where it first tips
him off. Then this whole scene, they go
outside, I think to say goodbye. I think, I can't remember exact
details in the book, but I remember the two of them were
outside the palace and Lil Nung insists on kissing Big Nung and
Big Nung goes with it 'cause she's like whatever, I love you.
And then I think Chet sees them like explicitly kissing.
So the way this was cut, he, it doesn't seem like he did 'cause
it seems like he was walking in as they were like pulling apart.
But I don't know, like editing. It's maybe the editing is
throwing us off and maybe he didn't see some more than we are
led to believe with the editing. I wanna ask Guanasorn why he did
not find out through the shower. I'm just because they.
They completely changed that whole that whole sequence.
But I'm fine with because then we got the yeah, intimate
moment, like emotional intimate moment.
But that was one of the funniest moments in the book because just
big nuns in her model is so funny.
She's like, there's no talking my way out of this.
I do want to read that. It's so funny.
OK, so Chet then sends little Nung to get his phone because
apparently he can't get it himself.
But it was also a convenient way to get her out of the room.
But like also why? Right, that's my question.
Why does he order little Nung to do this?
Why would she know where your your phone is Chet?
Why would she know that to go get it?
Like wouldn't you case when you lose something you're like
where's the last place I left it?
Why would she know that as if she's paying such close
attention to you, she forgets you're her father also like it's
a mutual we forget each other thing.
There's no way this bitch knows where your phone is.
She probably what happened to her.
She left and she's like where the hell was he?
Because I don't know where he where was he even sitting?
I did not pay attention to him at all.
So she was like trying to figure out where the hell Chet was to
track down his phone. And like meanwhile he's like
making Big Nog all defensive and shit 'cause like the minute
there alone Big Nog starts crossing her arms like Oh dear
like very defensive because she rightfully is worried he saw
them kiss. Which, like, again, we've talked
about unclear, but she's also been wary of him for quite some
time. And she's just like, wait, this
episode, a lot of it is just big.
And I'm waiting for all hell to break loose and just being like
just gonna, just gonna stand here defensively until this
happens. This is like, good.
Yeah. That's that is an excellent
point. That is her role.
She's definitely doing. Phi is doing so much acting
silently in this episode. I mean, it's it's beautiful
because it's one of her strikes for sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
And like, OK, so then little man comes back with the phone
somehow off screen. She figured it out, finds the
phone, gives it the chat, then he checks it as if she didn't
bring him his own phone. And this girl just looks so
confused the whole day. She's like, I don't understand
what is happening. And it's like, yeah, your dad's
pretty weird. As if you didn't know that.
He is a mystery that I don't want to figure out.
No, exactly. He's a mystery that's best left
unsolved. We don't need to solve it, just
pack it up. OK but during all this big Nung
is looking guilty AF. Like she is trying to gauge if
he heard any of the conversations she just had with
little Nung because that was a lot.
Honestly, that's more concerning than the kiss, to be honest,
because little nun like laid out their whole future and like
that's more concerning than like, oh, this is some like
fling they're having. No little monk's basically like
we're gonna get married, we're gonna move into a cottage.
I'm gonna take care of you when you retire.
Like he she laid out their whole future.
So like that's way more serious than just like they kissed once
on a cat. You know what I mean to like
catch that. It's like, wow, this is a very,
this is a serious relationship I just walked into.
Yeah, it's really not about what he saw rather than what he
heard. I agree that's more concerning
'cause they're not. Silent.
They're not quiet. Again, big nut, you picked the
couch by the door. This was your fault.
Maybe she's like, damn, I should have took this in the bedroom.
I was like thinking, I think she just saw out of sorts.
It just was like, like, you know, not thinking clearly.
There's. Just a lot going on at the
moment. It's just this is a shitty
situation, period. All of it.
And then Chet always makes it worse with his presence and
words and everything about him. Another theme in this episode.
Chet makes it worse. That's a theme in this show.
Also that. So then Chet tries to be a
father and asks little nuns if she will be staying at the
palace. Tonight.
And of course she says yes because, like, duh.
What did he not already know that like everybody left and
she'd stayed behind again, the the way he does not pay
attention to her until it concerns him pisses me off a
lot. Because remember earlier in the
last episode, Big Nung said goodbye to everybody and Li Nung
stayed and he what, didn't notice that?
Well, I also think that it was just like he knew, but he was
just trying to figure out a way to be her father.
And like that's true. Assert authority maybe to be
like. How long are you staying here?
Where are you sleeping? Exactly what are you doing?
What will you be doing? At the end when he's like don't
stay up too late he's like do not have sex with big nun I get
it but like don't is what he's implying there.
But she's like bitch, I'll. Do what I want, What do you?
Mean, oh big little nung, look at.
Her. I'm gonna do whatever I want.
She's like I will do whatever I want all evening and big Nung's
don't let me 'cause she's a sip. During this conversation, Big
Nung is looking between Little Nung and Chet and I just feel
like she's waiting for something bad to happen.
She's waiting for the blowout. Right.
She's like, OK, I if it's kind of like the if I stay still, if
I say nothing, maybe nothing will happen.
She's just, I think she's like a lot of this episode is big Nung.
I think we're like going back to old habits kind of thing, 'cause
we, we've talked about all the progress she's made with little
Nung. But like, what does she do when
she's like confronted with something?
She retreats into herself and then gets real quiet and only
speaks when she has to. So if you watch a lot of her
behavior here is very she's defensive, she's getting
internal, she's internalizing all of this and just watching.
And we know when she internalizes things and is
quiet, it's never a good sign. That is why little Nung always
tries to keep getting her to keep talking and keep going.
But little Nung can't do that in the scene because the quote,
adults are talking or whatever. So yeah, it's not good for big
nugs mental health the scene. But at the very least in this
scene, the only good thing about this is that Chet finally asked
Little Nung directly instead of asking Big Nung if Little Nung
was staying the night. That's how you know something
wrong when he's like actually talking to the little Nung.
But if you notice when he says this, that's how big Nung like
perks up a bit 'cause like she was suspicious of she's been
suspicious of him and now he like to your point is like
making an excuse to get along the lines of what are you doing
with big Nung without like actually directly asking that
question. So I think she picks up on this
and she's like, oh shit, he, he is actually suspicious of us
because he doesn't normally talk to her and ask her direct
questions. And he's asking me a direct
question about like her staying here, which no one has had an
issue with. So she's like, oh fuck.
Like does he know? Because he's asking about this,
which is only an issue if you know that we're dating.
And then makes it worse by saying asking her how long she's
going to be when she's going home.
Yeah. And then?
Yeah. How funny would have been if
she's like, this is my home. What do you mean it's?
Like I have to. Live here, I live here.
I have a key. So little Nung tells him that
the semester ends in two weeks, which is technically not an
answer to when she's going home. No, it's not.
But because she's not, she is. Home.
She's like, I'm not going home but but his.
Response. It's also kind of weird because
he just nods and then says I'm leaving now.
He's so weird, I can't stand him.
I think he feels awkward. Yeah, is he?
He's finally like something LGBT is happening here and I, I kind
of don't understand it and I need to leave, but also I don't
want to leave because something LGBT is happening here.
But he also doesn't know how to be a father.
So no, not. At all.
Those were the only questions I knew to ask.
He has proven that time and time again that he actually doesn't
know what he's doing. And at this point, just everyone
is suspicious of everyone. Yeah.
And at least like the music in
this scene is so dramatic. And it's so.
Dramatic 'cause this is what? That this is the music I imagine
that's playing in Big Nun's head right now, 'cause she's like,
amped up by those conversations. She's like, oh God, am I gonna
have to fight your dad? Because I will.
This is the theme song for the rest of the show in her.
Yeah, literally, 'cause we're, we're in the drama stage,
everyone. Yeah, and before, like, like you
said, before. Before he leaves, Chet tells
little Nung not to stay up too late.
And just when I heard this, it irked me so much that he tries
to be her father because he's the one who knowingly abandoned
her. Like knowingly.
You don't want her. He chose to abandon her.
Yep, Pingfa did not choose to abandon her daughter.
She was forced into it. Let us never forget that he
chose to step away. And also she's an adult.
Yes, she's. A full grown adult in her
twenties, 21. But like, I don't feel like he
has the right to say these things.
To me, I agree. He does not.
Oh it just I get so angry when
he's on the screen and I want to slap him so bad.
Because everything that comes out of his mouth feels sinister
to me and not like he's not saying it in good faith.
In my mind, he only tries to do these things when it seems like
he's trying to control little Nung.
Not like look out for her well-being 'cause we'll get a
good contrast with Pingfa later. Where like Pingfa does things
and says things, but it's like you can tell that she genuinely
cares about little Nung. It's not so much I'm trying to
control you. When he says shit, it sounds
like like where is this? He never directly talked to her.
Now he's directly talking to her because he's trying to control
her love life. You know what I mean?
It's it just comes off as disingenuine always from him,
whether he means it that way or not, always comes off as
disingenuine. And so like little nugs always
confused. She's like, why are you talking
to me and saying this like, get out of here.
Like which is understandable because he has no real
relationship with her other than like I gave you DNA.
Which is not enough to be a dad. She doesn't want him.
She's like, I don't want your name, I don't want your money.
She's flat out told him that. Like I don't want to be parented
by you. If she could give you her your
DNA. Back she she would she's super
would she doesn't want this, but that doesn't matter here anyway.
But luckily homophobia does exit finally and the nuns are left
just staring at each other like what the hell was that?
Because what the hell is anything that Chet does?
And it's the same thought I always have when he's on the
screen. It's just he's the man that's
inserting himself into lesbian business that he has no business
inserting himself into, but yet he keeps trying.
He's the man who thinks he can convert a lesbian.
Right. No, he definitely.
He's that guy. He doesn't believe in queerness
when it comes to women especially.
So yeah, he's like, well, you just haven't found the right
man. He literally like says that
later about little Nug. She hasn't found the right man
yet. He is 100% that guy.
I would love him to tell big nun that and then forget that he was
engaged to her and say you just need it with me.
It should be like dumbass, I was with you, you weren't the right
dude either. There's no right dude, but there
is a right woman. Get over it.
Yes. OK so later that night they are
in Big Nun's bed. I believe it's Big Nun's bed and
I'm pretty sure to Little Nung's show that she loves.
Once again Little Nung is very focused on what is going on
while Big Nung is looking at her.
Like really? This is what you wanna listen
to? I just have to point out one
thing. I agree with all that.
Just they're listening to it on an iPad.
Put a pin in that. Just put a pin in that.
OK, there's an iPad and they're listening to the radio show on
the iPad and Big Nung is there and in front of the iPad and she
sees the iPad. Just.
I have to set this up because later she's gonna make a comment
and I'm like, Big Nung, do you have?
A. Good that.
Was a good call out I. Have to bring that up and not.
Only does she see it. Big Nung's the one who quickly
turns it off. This is her only evidence she
knows how to use an iPad. There we go.
Good job, big nun. But then she forgets she knows
how to use technology later in the scene.
Yes, I love her. This is, you know, I don't know
if this is a purposeful character trait or not.
I don't think it was. But like, for my read, this is a
character trait. And I think it's endearing that
she does things like this. She's just funny.
I just find her hilarious. OK.
So yeah, when she turns it off, I think it's most likely the
reason is because it's the story being told and the caller is
talking about how her boyfriend's mom is forcing him
to marry another woman and now this.
This is way too close. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
And we know from the past that if something reminds her of the
past or her situation, she will shut down and become defensive
like we just said. Yeah, 'cause like, think about
that scenario. That was literally her scenario
and Sam's scenario. So like, yeah, she's like, I've
seen this film before. Enough.
I know they get the girl in the end.
Like it's because. Or their boyfriend were never
allowed to like fight, they had to shut down and just take it.
So I mean it makes sense. No, literally like there was no
fighting that situation. What did Nung do?
Nung did flight, not fight. She had to physically run away
from the scenario to get out of the scenario.
And then like, Sam tried to placate everybody, but in the
end, it was the one that had to step away and also fight to
like, be like, no. So yeah, it's a she's like, I
don't need to hear this. I've lived this twice.
And it wasn't fun another time. No, and then Chad is trying to
have history repeat himself itself for some reason, 'cause
he's like, let's do that again. And she's like, no, I got tired.
She's a tired 30 year old. I understand.
She's like enough with this. But Little Nung is not fully
seeing what's going on 'cause she's too wrapped up in what's
going on. Oh yeah, on the show and she's
not listening to her that. She gets so engrossed into the
show. Like I love Loy Yoko does this
cause like she's just like little while he's in that story.
Like she forgot big nun was there.
That's how like in that's how engrossed she gets in the show.
And poor big nun was like, I just I don't see it.
I don't see it. And it also shows just how
empathetic she is to, like, be able to get into these stories.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good
point, 'cause she is, she is very empathetic.
So Little Nung is just upset that Big Nung turned it off.
And Bing Nung just doesn't understand why she likes
listening to other people's problems.
And yet she says, I've been listening with you for a while
and it's all about stealing each other's lovers like in soap
operas. And my first thought was, I'm
sorry, Big Nung. Have you seen your life?
And I think we just need to do a very, very quick recap of her
life. OK.
And this is not even her like childhood growing up.
This is just the show. OK so quick recap.
Your best friend who was in love with you as a teenager confessed
her love and rejected got pregnant through a one night
stand with Chet. Then after trying to get her to
get rid of it she disappears and 20 years later you me and fall
for a woman who turns out to be the daughter.
The mother then comes back after you fall for the daughter and
reminds you of the past. Let alone all the things going
on with the grandmothers. Like it's.
What do you call? It and also Chet tried to marry
you twice. He's rejected him, the father of
the daughter. And ran away at the altar like.
I. Don't.
I don't know what she calls it. I call it prime television.
And really, they should have a reality show.
I know they both don't like being in the spotlight, but
damn, it would do great. It would.
It would do great. We'd watch it, Yeah.
I mean big dog. Little Nung tells Big Nung that
real issues are better than soap operas, but Big Nung doesn't get
it. And it makes sense why it is so
hard for Big Nung to understand though 'cause she was raised not
to show emotion or talk about your problems.
That is the big thing. You do not talk about it, and
it's only recently in a lot of cultures that you start talking
about like what's going on with you.
You know. Because it's it's just not a
common thing 'cause it you're showing weakness and you're not
supposed to show weakness. Yeah, well, also coming from
her, remember she's raised to be perfect at all times and like
perfect people don't have weaknesses.
So it's also that component. And then the cultural aspect
just in general, like you're saying to like don't talk about
your problems kind of thing. But this is just another example
of the even bigger gap they have because it once again shows how
the younger generation is changing because now they're
able to share feelings and experiences with others and all
grow together from those shared experiences.
Yeah. All right.
So I, I, I agree with all that. I really like this line from
Little Nung that you brought up where like, she's like, hey, the
real story is more fun than the soap opera.
Like real life is more engaging to her than like, fiction, is
what she's saying. And I think it's interesting
because if you think about them, Big Nung and Little Nung both
grew up in oppressive households that traumatized them.
And we've talked about that so much, but what we haven't really
discussed is how it affects their reactions slash reception
to other people's drama. We've talked about like how they
react when they're in like in drama, but like their reaction
to other people. So let's let's talk about that
for just a quick second because that's relevant to the this
radio show so big Nog. I've mentioned many times, as
you, as you can see, like when Chet comes in, she's a drama
averse person, which means like she tries to stay as far away
from possible from drama. Like you saw her.
Chet comes in, she closes herself off with her body
language because she doesn't like being involved in drama.
She as we've seen from Juan Viva, she's not the friend you
call when you need somebody to listen to you about your
problems. She is the bitch you call to
enact revenge on your behalf. See Juan Viva OK?
Also, up until meeting Little Nung, Big Nung avoided her own
drama like the plague. Like she ran away to be a
recluse and like get her shit together and do what was best
for her. Like being in drama is not
something she likes. She she tries to avoid conflict.
I get that feeling from her, which is why like when she's in
conflict, she doesn't directly answer a lot of questions.
She asks more questions. She's trying to like get out of
it. Like that's my my feeling from
her. So of course Big Nung would not
be a fan of this radio show, which seems like to me, to your
point, a toned down version of like reality TV.
But it's like where it's just like 'cause like reality T VS
more like orchestrated problems posing as reality versus like
these are actual people being like, this is my issue help me
kind of thing. Excuse me?
OK, so let's contrast that with Little Nung.
So Little Nung has had a very lonely life up until she met Big
Nung. Never forget she is an only
child. Her grandmother forbade her from
having friends because she was paying for the crimes of Ping
Pho's teenage pregnancy. And the first real connection
she ever really made with another human being was Big
Nung. And that's the one that changed
her life. Like, yeah, she had friends, but
like, they were taken away from her by her grandmother.
So like, really, she never had, like, a lasting bond until Big
Nung comes along. And I want to make the point
that Big Nung, she was an isolated person, but like she
was less isolated growing up compared to Little Nung because
she had her sisters. So she wasn't like didn't grow
up fully isolated under the control of the grand ma'am.
She had Sam and Song. But when she fled the palace,
she embraced the hermit life like being isolated to like heal
from all the trauma in a way. But overall, like she's big Nung
spent way less time being fully isolated compared to Little
Nung. And like Caleb has pointed out
many times, Lil Nung seemed to have spent a lot of her free
time consuming media. Like we've seen her on the show
consume sapphic novels like Pluto and then this radio show
comes up over and over again. So this was her primary source
for human connection outside of her grandmother because she was
the Princess in the tower. Like she was forced into
isolation by like her home life. So I think this line from little
long where she's saying reality is more interesting to me than
the soap opera is actually really heartbreaking when you
think about it. Because what she's saying is I'd
prefer the real thing over the media version because for most
of her life she was denied real human connections and and she
was forced to just connect through media.
And so because of that, she kind of missed, like missed out on
real life drama. And that's while it's not always
a good thing, like going through problems is what strengthens
bonds. Like you've seen Little Nung and
big Nung gonna go through that. They'll go through like a fight
or whatever or get through some barrier and then they're
stronger in the end. So like, that's how you foster
relationships. And it's really sad that little
Wong was actually denied of, like, being able to grow as a
person because the grandmother was trying to like, protect, was
overly protective of her and like, kept her away from other
people. So they bring it back to this
radio show. So this radio show also seems to
be, at least from what we hear, seems to be focused on romantic
relationships, which is something Little Nung also
craves. And we've seen like from day
one, she's the one who's fought super fiercely for her
relationship with Big Nung and may have listened to this show
for like advice on how to navigate their relationship.
Like hence all that emotional intelligence we see where she
was just like spouting wisdom to Big Nung.
And I, I wonder if she got it from like hearing about these
problems. So she's like, well, now I can
be better at like handling our problems because I've, I have a
frame of reference. Whereas Big Nung is like, her
response is run away because she doesn't, she doesn't seek out
like the drama to learn from it. She like runs away.
And it's like, how do I get out of the drama, 'cause I hate
being in the drama, you know what I mean?
Yeah, because they're just, it's very interesting to compare and
contrast them, which is obviously why we do it so much.
Yeah, because they are so similar, but yet they're so
different and then they just balance each other out really
nicely. OK, so as this keeps going on,
little nun gets gets annoyed with big nun because big nun
just I like when big nun's like, I just I don't understand this.
And she's very honest about it. Like she's, and to, like you
said earlier, big Nung admitted she's been listening to this
show for a while with little Nung.
So I think it's evident that Big Nung is, is really genuinely
trying to understand this hobby that little Nung has.
She's like, I'm trying to understand what you're getting
out of this. Cause like she's watching little
Nung and little Nung is so enraptured in this thing and
like sucked into it. And big Nung's like, I just
don't, I don't understand it, but I'm, she's trying to
understand it. I she's just, she's confused and
I have to give big on credit for like, again, trying to
understand little Mung's hobby because like, what was the whole
evening they just had at that dinner?
It was being like, we're too different.
Our hobbies are too different. So like, here's big and I'm
trying to make an effort to be like, I'm trying to understand
your hobby and like, because she could just be like, fuck this,
I'm out, I'm leaving, turn this off, let's go to sleep.
But she's not. She's like, genuinely trying to
understand it. Also because little Nung is the
one saying should I get adult hobby?
Should I do something ever? Should I change everything?
And now big Nung's like, I don't want her to do that, so let me
try to be interested in what she is.
And that's. That's exactly what she's doing.
Yeah, exactly. Cuz like they've been doing that
shit the whole time, but just, they just don't ever really talk
because it's not OK in a real relationship, you don't actually
like have these conversations where you're like, what hobby is
your hobby? And like you kind of like like
to have conversations about trying.
You just kind of do it. You just like go with your
partner to like a thing and then you try to learn about it and
like what Big Nug is doing. This is actually how you do it.
And little one, I think what little one gets out of this
radio show is that like she learns and she's less lonely
when she like has this radio, but like now she has Big Nung.
So like she is less lonely in the world.
But like, you know, they got problems.
So like, let's get some tips. Because life's never going to be
perfect, there's always some sort of issue and someone's been
through it. I mean also like, is this one
not relevant to Little None? Kind of because like so far her
grandmother and Chet are trying to push her towards finding a
man. So like she easily could end up
in the situation where like her parents are trying to force her
to bury a man that she doesn't want to marry.
And meanwhile she has big. So like this actual case I bet
little Nung's like oh shit this could be US1 day at what?
Give me the advice. She's like Big Nung.
I need to figure out our future. And big nung's like, I've been
through this, you've run away. So anyway.
So Little Nung points out that all of these couples do have
their own issues and it's up to them if they will fight for
their love or not. And this, this is a very
interesting thing to bring up to Big Dong and a very good timing
actually. I mean, yeah, 'cause like, this
has been the whole show, right? So Little Nung learn from the
show that couples survive by fighting for the relationship
together. The keyword is together.
Together, because we've seen Little Nung throughout the show
be super frustrated with Big Nung because it seems like from
Little Nung's perspective, she's the one who's always fighting
for the relationship by herself and Big Nung is not fighting
equally back with her so. Big Nung has been fighting more
so for Little Nung's family relationship rather than theirs.
Big it's interesting, OK, it's an interesting dynamic though,
because like the way they're presented is that like little
Nung's more so like the damsel in this relationship.
And like big Nung is like the mask energy kind of character
and like fits like the husband role and all that kind of stuff
and let along with the wife role.
And if you like think about those like archetypes, for lack
of a better word, like usually the female energy person is the
one that like this is like the loyal pen, right?
The the female version is like the one that like self
sacrifices. Like that's the biggest strength
of like the woman quote is to self sacrifice versus like the
masculine, the male character or whatever is the one that like
fights head on kind of thing. So it's interesting that they're
again, big Nung is presented as like the mask character.
And then like little Nung is like the femme character in like
their relationship, but their actions are completely
different. Whereas like big Nung is the one
self sacrificing for the for like the greater good for little
Nung to show her devotion and little Nung's the one who's like
constantly trying to like fight everybody.
You know what I mean? It's like the opposite, which is
actually really interesting and fun.
Yeah, I this. Show is just fun in general.
It's. So fun in general.
I just they're when I say like complicated characters, I mean
stuff like this. Like they don't fit any kind of
norm at all. They're just an amalgamation of
a bunch of stuff and they feel like very real people who
actually just do normal relationship things.
And I enjoy that. Like they're just, they're just
having a conversation over like little like hobby like I love
it. They're not just stereotypes,
they got complexities. They have complexities like
contrasting complexities and makes them very interesting.
And this opens up the perfect opportunity for Little Nung to
ask Big Nung if she is going to fight for their love with her.
Because we've been tiptoeing around it.
But she needs to know she's like, are you going to be in
this fight, or are you gonna still be fighting for my family
instead? That's not fully what she's
asking, but she just wants to know that Big Nung is going to
fight for their love. Yeah, 'cause like this is an
insecurity of hers that she still has, which is
understandable because like everything I just said, like Big
Nung has shown time and time again that like, she self
sacrifices when Lung wants her to fight with her, you know?
Little Nung has been holding this relationship together.
Whether Big Nung likes it or not.
But This is why I think little known got her emotional maturity
from media like we I again, we've talked about this, being
able to see many different types of stories and people play out
like how they handle things helps you determine how other
people might react to something and figure out new ways to
handle situations like this is exactly what I do.
Like, it's easy to get a bunch of different perspectives and
figure out how. I mean, obviously it's not like
real life. What she's doing is real life.
So that is giving her a more accurate representation of what
could happen. But Big Nung doesn't answer her.
Instead, she quickly glances towards Little Nung's lips.
And I think internally she was like 1000% she's going to fight,
but she couldn't voice it because she really doesn't know
what the outcome will be. All she knows is that she loves
little Nung and wants to be with her.
But it's hard to say that for a fact 'cause she doesn't like,
really, it's what is her family gonna do?
Yeah, again, another one of their dichotomies is that Little
Nung is the optimist, and then Big Nung is the pessimist.
That's the golden retriever black cat energy, right?
Big Nung is the pessimist, which makes her pragmatic in certain
situations. And I thought this moment was
really interesting and I like your take on it.
It took me I, I still don't fully know what was going on in
this moment for Big Nung. But regardless, it seems like
she gets lost in this question just by the way she's just like
staring at Little Nung and like obviously feeling a bunch of
things. And while she's kind of sitting
there in the silence, it's like she opens her mouth like she's
going to say something, but then Lil Lung quickly interrupts her
and brings U Chet to like completely pivot the
conversation. It completely kills any mood
whatsoever when. You, I think she did that on
purpose, but like I'm not entire from Big Nook's point of view.
I'm not entirely sure what she was gonna say actually.
But whatever it is, I get the impression that it was gonna be
something very honest because she does take those moments
before being super vulnerable. A lot of the times when it's
like something super from the heart that she hasn't voiced out
loud before. She's gotten to the point with
like I love you and things like that.
It's easier to her to say cuz she said it before, but whatever
this was, I feel like it was going to be super, super honest
and I think she was trying to like psych herself U to do it to
like because sometimes she loses her courage in these moments and
it takes her a little bit to like get the courage to like say
the thing and put it out there. My best guess is that she was
going to explain perhaps that she has been fighting for little
Nung the entire time. And like again, reiterating
she's playing the long game because she sees little Nung as
her future. Like that was the whole thing on
the couch When she's like, wow, it's not just me that sees the
future. You actually see the future
vivid detail, Little Nung. That's insane because she was
hoping for it, but I don't think she ever really let herself like
embrace that dream of what the future could be until she heard
Little Nung actually voice it out loud.
And then she was like, oh, wow. Like you see it like that?
That could be us kind of thing. But I think because she to go
back to your point of like little Nung cutting her off, I
think because Big Nung was quiet for so long, Little Nung in her
insecurity assumed Big Nung was gonna like reject this idea
because A, she knows Big Nung is worried about the family drama,
like you said. And B, Big Nung just admitted
that she doesn't want to hear about other people's drama.
And I think maybe Little Nung is worried that her family drama
falls under this category of like, something Big Nung doesn't
want to be involved. It doesn't like, remember, we
had the whole thing with Sam and Mon where Big Nung goes to see
them for advice. And she's like, well, what if
Little Nung is tired of this, us being in the same fight over and
over again? And she, like, leaves me because
of this, basically. I think Little Nung has the same
fear, right, 'cause she's like, Big Nung hates drama.
Big Nung, what if she gets tired of this?
And it's like, I don't wanna, you're not worth it.
You're, I'm not gonna keep doing this, you know?
And so I wonder if she'd like Little Nung feels like that her
family is like an outsider in that point of view.
And Big Nung is like, I don't know if they're not worth it,
you're not worth it. You know, like, Big Nung sees
her as family and like, is that's why she's doing all these
things. So it's like I feel like they
have the same fear sometimes, but like they express it
differently. That's fair.
I mean, they express things differently in general like
we've been talking about. Yeah, but they're on the same
page most of the time, to be honest.
Yeah. Because they work well together.
They do, and they just, they care about each other.
And it's very obvious. And like, yeah.
I love them. I love them.
But yeah, again, seeing that Big Nung isn't going to be answering
that even. I mean, there is the possibility
that she was gonna say something, but Little Nung
brings it back to a moment we all don't want to remember.
We don't want. To do this, we don't want to
talk about that. She says that she doesn't think
her dad saw them do anything this evening because he acted
naturally with them. And I'm like, was that natural?
Right OK here's my thing. He definitely wasn't acting
natural cause big nun picked up on it.
But I think Luna like Chet pays so little attention to him that
she has no idea what his normal behavior is.
I don't think she genuinely knows 'cause she never thinks
about him or like commits anything about him to memory.
So, and like, again, let's go back to that scene.
Since when does he ask about Little Nung's time with Big
Nung? That was not normal.
And little and Big Nung knows that.
That's why she like perked up when he asked that.
And in the scene when like Little Nung's like, oh, he was
at, he's being totally normal. Big Nung's face is like, that
bitch was not being normal. Like that was not normal 'cause
she despite, despite everything does know him, unfortunately.
So like, I think she knows his behavior enough to know what's
normal and what's not. She's like, that was not normal
behavior. Yeah, Little Nong's probably
just like, well, he left, so that was natural.
Right. It's like he talked directly to
you. That was definitely not natural.
He never does that when Big Nong is present.
He always talks through Big Nong.
But she does call him her dad and like I understand that this
is the custom and respectful but he really does not deserve that
title and I he should and shall forever be referred to as Chet
or homophobia for us. Yeah, that's valid.
Yeah. And in this conversation, it's
it's evident they're both worried about this 'cause I
mean, little one brought it up. But I think their reasons for
being worried about the Chet thing are different.
Big Nung is worried about navigating the family drama,
like we keep saying, while Little Nung is worried that Big
Nung is worried, that's all. She, she's like, I don't care
about my family, I'm worried about you.
And if you notice in the scene where she's saying that, she's
like, I think everything's fine. She's holding Big Nung's hand.
And I think the reason she brought this up, it's not out of
nowhere. I think when she asked Big Nung,
are you to fight for us? I think Little Nung was worried
that Big Nung was going to bring up the family stuff.
So I think she tried to cut in and reassure her really quickly.
So she's like, was like, hey, everything's probably fine with
my dad was being normal or whatever.
And she grabs Big Nung's hand to like ground her 'cause that
tends to get big None out of her head when she starts spiraling.
And I think little None was worried that that's where this
was going and was trying to like, so like be like, stay with
me in the present. Like it's fine.
Like everything's fine. Look, I'm here, we're here,
everything's fine kind of thing. I think that's what she's trying
to do here. That's.
True, I didn't notice. That always notice the hand
holding. So during this conversation,
Little Nung once again notices how uncomfortable Big Nung is so
she does nudge her and asks her if she is worried because again
Big Nung is shutting down and that we cannot let Big Nung shut
down South. Big Nung admits that she is
worried a little bit. And Little Nung is upset because
the palace is supposed to be their sanctuary, where they
don't have to hide and they don't have to worry about being
themselves. And now Big Nung is fully
worried because their sanctuary has been burned to the ground
basically. And like, the servants know
about them, right? So they don't have to worry
about them being around, and little Nung doesn't wanna have
to worry when they're in this palace and Chet just destroyed
their one place where they can be themselves.
Because of course he did. Yeah, and I mean, and they just
got it back because like, remember the whole thing was
like little Nung's like, why do we have to like tiptoe around
your palace? Why do I have to sleep in
different rooms and big Nung's like customs, etcetera.
And then they cleared that up with Auntie Nim and we're like,
we're she's the wife of the house.
That's all I gotta know. So they were finally like, that
was their house again. And then here comes Chad.
You know what I mean? Here comes Chad.
Ruin here comes Chad bitch. Oh.
Gosh, OK, so Little Nung tries to distract Big Nung by kissing
her, but Big Nung stops her and says that they shouldn't do that
stuff in plain sight. This is a serious moment, little
Nung. How could you?
That's what Big Nung's energy gave me.
But it really sucks that they can't even be yourself.
Like it would suck if you can't be yourself in your own home.
Like that's it's insane, Like there's no place safe for you.
And I feel like little Nung is really is her only essence of
home right now because the palace, there's so much going on
there between the past and now. Chet's ruining the future.
So anyway. But also, to be fair, where were
they in the palace? They were in the couch by the
door. So like, it was a really stupid
place when you're going to closet a relationship to like do
that. So like, truly.
But it's their home. I know, I know, I, I, I your
point is valid. But like, as you see the bit a
bit, people could just walk right in because I don't, I
don't know why we've we're not really sure why people could
just walk in, but it happened. Where is the security?
There's a bunch of I. Don't know right?
I don't know how to check his. Thing is, Auntie Nim was like,
I'm sick of this shit, work things out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Lil Nung reminds Big Nung
that they are in her bedroom, though, and, like, no one can
see them. And then my brain went to
picturing Chet in the trees with binoculars trying to spy on them
because, you know, he's suspicious and, like, I could
totally see him. Well, he'd probably hire
someone. Yeah.
He would probably be like, I don't feel like, comfortable
spying on two women in a bedroom.
And then he'd be like, fine, give me them.
I'll do it myself. I want to put her past her.
And Little Nung continues her advances on Big Nung but Big
Nung tells her that she is naughty and stops her
unfortunately. But Big Nung does give Little
Nung a mini cookie and says let's listen now.
So let's go back to your show, let's distract you a bit.
So now she is interested. Yeah, And I love by the end of
this, first of all, Little Long is person.
She's not wrong. She's like, hey, we're in the
bedroom now, can just kiss me. And Big Mug's like, oh, my God,
Little Mug. And my brain's spiraling.
Now is not the time. But then by the end of this,
when they go to listen to the show, like Big Mug the whole
time again, she always plays this game where she's like,
stop. But like, she's secretly pleased
that Little Mug is persistent because she wants to kiss her
just because, because this giant grin spreads on her face.
And then when they go to listen to the show, if you notice,
remember earlier, it was like Little Nung was holding Big
Nung's hand. By the time we come back to
this, Big Nung is like pulling Little Nung into her side and
like, holding onto her full arm and like, has her head leaned
against Little Nung. So like Big Nung, he could have
just kissed her. Come on now.
It's. Cute, though, it's.
Very cute. I don't fully understand why she
didn't just. Kiss her, because you know.
OK, I think, I think she's distracted by the drama, but
then she's like, OK, let's listen to drama.
Like she's in a drama mood right now for some reason.
I don't know. It's like, let's listen to other
people's drama. I'm sick of yeah.
I'm sick of our drama. Yeah.
So then next day, Big Nung is dropping Little Nung off at
university. And I just love that they're
really making use of this car this season, like they're
getting their money's worth. And Big Nung asks Little Nung if
she is sure she didn't forget anything.
And Little Nung pretends to be looking for something.
And then cheekily, no pun intended, kisses Big Nung's
cheek, which catches Big Nung off guard because Little Nung
had promised not to do things like that in public.
So Little Nung was like, all right, you didn't kiss me last
night, so I'm gonna kiss you right now.
And Little Numb quickly retreats from this.
But she has this dreamy look on her face.
She's like, mm, hmm. I know what I did.
She is definitely proud of herself.
And then she takes pride that she has moves.
Because, girl, you do. Yeah.
And like, OK, the way she, like, does that and she, like,
dramatically sighs. Like, where's her Emmy for
drama? Like Little Numb because she's
so dramatic about this. She's like, because I remember
like the first time she kissed big nuts cheeks.
She's like, wow, I'm going to be valedictorian if you keep
letting me kiss your cheek every time I do something for school.
It gave me that. Energy where she's like, I just
kissed you for the first time and I'm feeling all the tingly
things a big nuts like for fuck's sake, like why are you
doing this? She's being herself big nuts.
Huge. She's just, again, she's just a
young woman in love who just wants to like, kiss her
girlfriend before she goes into school.
Like you can't blame her for like wanting what she wants, but
like Big Nung's paranoia is valid.
Yeah, no, definitely valid. Valid and big Nung reminds
little Nung of her promise to not do things like this in
public, and she responds that no one will see them and it's just
one kiss on the cheek. Sure, they won't see you in a
car with clear windows in front, not even like to the side in
front of the school and. I'm surprised big nun didn't
tint the windows to be honest with you.
Like like you know your girlfriend at this point.
Like why did you not tint the windows?
She would. Definitely be someone who tints
the windows. Right.
Like I it's weird that she doesn't tint the 'cause like I
think in the book she inherits the car from the grandmother but
like it's your car now, big nung you can tint the windows like
whatever you want. I'm shocked she doesn't because
she gives me the vibe of the person who's like I don't want
people looking at me. I figured she would Tinder
windows but like. Maybe she just kept putting it
off. That yeah, you know, that would
be something she'd do. Honestly.
She's like, I'll get to it or whatever, and then she never
does it. I could see her do that.
Until something really big happens.
Like this tint them after this. OK, can we go back to the line
where she's like big man's like you promised me you wouldn't do
like public displays of affection or PDA ever again.
All right. I think the problem with them is
that they have two different definitions of what PDA means.
Like what is public Because I think I think big Nung needed to
when she made the promise with a need to do a pinky promise.
And I don't remember if that ever happened.
But B, she needed to like write the contract out with explicit
details of like what is public. Because I first of all would
love the same. Because I think the negotiation
between them would be hilarious because they're coming from
Polar, polar opposites when it comes to this.
Because to big none. I think she's like, well, public
is everything outside of my bedroom.
And like you can in the bedroom. Sometimes the bedroom, oh with
the in the bedroom with lights on and then anything else that's
considered public and then little long is like public to me
is like within 2 feet of people I know because when it's
strangers and malls, she's like, I don't care.
We don't know these people. But if it's somebody I know,
it's like within 2 feet of them that is public.
If we get 5 feet away, it's not public.
Like the negotiation would be hilarious because they have very
different definitions of PDA. I would love to see them
negotiating this. I think it'd be so funny.
That would be funny. It'd.
Be really funny big nuns like outside of my room is public and
but I was like no. It's like I would never be able
to kiss you. Right.
And then she would just be like the day of the negotiation and
the day after. It would be her like playing
games in every single location trying to be like you sure this
is public? Right, exactly.
Shoot just annoy the shit out of her.
Yep, that tracks. And Big Nun just tells her that
this is the last time, like you're not allowed to do this
again. It has been.
It's important to note that so far, Big Nung has been super
serious about everything. There isn't really a hint of
playfulness in this conversation.
Like Little Nung is making it. Like Big Nung is just really
scared that people are going to find out because there's way too
much suspicion on them at this point.
Right, exactly. But also Big Nung is acting like
she just meant Little Nung for the first time ever.
So it's like, girl, you should know at this point the unspoken
rules of the give a mouse a cookie game.
Because it then whenever she does this, it then cuts to
Little Nung's face. And like this is the face of a
mouse that wants another cookie. Because Little Nung looks
personally offended that Big Nung would deny her another kiss
and like again. And it's Big Nung, the woman who
said I dare not displease you, Little Nung's, how dare you deny
me my cookies? I want my cookie.
And then little Nung says you're not gonna kiss me back.
The audacity. Of her to say this after big
Nung's like you promised me what I don't like in this
conversation I said little Nung really dismisses the promise you
made to big Nung and I don't like that but the audience a
couple. Times Now between that and then
also the age jokes. Thing I know I don't love that
when she does those things like that, I get why she's doing it,
but like I from big nugs point of view, it's like yeah.
I don't know, I wonder if it's like a way to show that she is
younger still. Maybe I can see that.
Or it's just like, again, it's like her persistence, like
persistence is a hallmark of her character.
And like her persistence is what gets Big Nung out of her shell.
So like sometimes like it's a good thing 'cause that's how Big
Nung grows. But like when she's like, I'm
dead serious about this, don't do it.
Like, it just, it comes off as disrespectful sometimes from Big
Nung's point of view that literally just like dismisses
her like very valid concerns all the time.
But like, you know. It's her persistence as part of
her character. But because of this, it causes
Big Nung to whip her head like fully towards Little Nung and
she says. What?
And little Nung responds by poking her cheek and tells her
if she doesn't do it, she won't go to class and we'll just sit
in the car. And really, this scene just adds
to my hypothesis that Little Nung is actively trying to out
them, and she's been trying to do this for a while.
I think that's why she like ignores the promise.
And like I said, I don't appreciate how she dismisses Big
Nung's very real concerns about this.
Like, I understand Little Nung wants to kiss Big Nung or wants
a kiss from Big Nung because it's Big Nung.
Why would you not? But like, respect your
girlfriend's wishes? Like now is not the time for
games. And like, she's so serious right
now. And like was literally telling
you the night last night, she's worried about this stuff.
Like, I don't know. Yeah, this is just definitely a
time that shows little nuns youth and her immaturity.
Like she is emotional mature, but like there are times where
you're just going to be more immature because of your age.
I mean even older too, but. She's a young woman in love like
this is she just wants to feel all her happy feelings and I
don't blame her for any of this. Just like I don't like when she
like ignores big nuns like like wishes sometimes when it comes
to like the boundaries. Especially when they talk.
About them Exactly right. Like they have explicit
conversations and then little Nung is always just trying to.
Push, push, push, push, push, push.
Yeah. And when Big Nung is still
resistant, Little Nung continues pushing by playfully mentioning
that it is getting late and she is gonna be scolded because
she's not going to school because Big Nung did not.
Give her a kiss and like, while this is funny, it's like she's
guilt tripping Big Nung, which is like 100.
This is 100% on brand for Little Nung to be like, well if you
don't give me my cookie, I'll be late and it's gonna be all your
fault. But I feel badly for Big Nung
because she's in for being put into this position.
Like we said, after repeatedly asking Little Nung not to do
this, do I feel bad for Big Nung?
And they just talked about. This I know.
Not even 5 seconds. Ago, not even 5 seconds ago.
But I wonder if Little Nung feels comfortable playing these
games with Big Nung because of all the cookies she's gotten so
far. So like Big Nung has been
enabling this behavior is the other thing.
Like even though Big Nung does these things, she never like
stays mad or grumpy with Little Nung for long and usually gives
the mouse the cookie and like caves in.
So like at the end of the day, I think Little Nung's like, you're
going to give me what I want because you love me.
Because like Big Nung at the end of the day just wants to make
Little Nung happy. So like, even though she's
uncomfortable, like she still usually doesn't.
So I think Little Nung has gotten used to this pattern,
this enabling behavior that Big Nung does.
So she's like, it'll be fine. She's just going to do it.
But while I was on this train of thought, I realized that the two
of them have opposing instincts when it comes to conflict.
And I may have brought this up a little bit earlier, but I
thought this was interesting because like, this came to my
brain when we were talking about affair of the series.
And like, oh wait, this kind of applies to them.
So I wonder if Little Nung understands Big Nung's initial
trauma response is flight. OK?
So when she's confronted with a big challenge, Big Nung shuts
down and runs away. Like flight?
Like the flight or fight response, Big Nung is flight.
Cuz like what happened with Chet and all that stuff?
She left the grandmother, she left the palace.
Like she runs away. That's her initial instinct,
which is which is interesting if you think about little Nung as
little Nung is growing into her adulthood like which we've seen
more so in the second-half of the season when she's like on
her own, quote UN quote, like kind of in university, like
becoming an adult, stepping into that role and gaining autonomy
in situations. She's showing her true colors
and her initial instinct is fight, not flight.
But unlike an affair, big Nung and little Bung aren't 100% on
these sides of the spectrum. Like if you go watch affair,
like playing and Wan Viva are like very rigid in their flight
or fight responses when it comes to conflicts.
These two are not like that. They're kind of like on those
spectrums, but they have the ability to meet in the middle
when it comes to like what to do and how to handle a conflict.
Do we do flight? Do we do fight?
Do we make a compromise? It's another way that they
balance each other out and why I find the relationship so
fascinating. And this flight or fight thing
will become relevant later on in the episode, like the
second-half, 'cause if you notice when they're together,
like in this situation, like again, they're talking about a
conflict, they're talking about something scary.
They kind of like meet in the middle, OK, when they're
together and it strengthens them because they can take both of
their strengths. Cause like flight and fight, as
in instincts have their like merit, right?
Some situations do call for you to stand up and fight versus
other situations do call for like a more like, and let me
take a step back and evaluate this kind of approach.
And that's big Nog and little nog.
So like when they have their combined strengths together,
they're a formidable team. But when you isolate them, they
fall back into their fight only or flight only response.
And like they're not as adaptable to like conflict.
So I like that. It's kind of like to me, it kind
of became apparent here, but then when we later on the
episode when we isolate them and they're in conflicts, you see
that like on their own, they're not as from like they're not as
strong, but like together they're much stronger because
they have these combined responses, which is interesting.
So I think that little monk perhaps in this scene, to bring
it back to this scene, big Nung's like flighting.
She's like, no, no, no, we can't do anything, blah, blah, blah.
But little Nung's like, no, come on, like meet me in the middle,
meet me in the middle. It'll be real quick.
And then like, you know what I mean?
But it backfires. Yeah.
It doesn't. So Big Nung, Oh my gosh, Big
Nung knows that Little Nung is persistent and won't let this go
because she never lets things go.
So she begins to lean over but then tells Little Nung she is
too far. So Little Nung turns to her and
puts her chin on her hand and asks, am I close enough?
Can we talk about a This exchange was so fucking funny
because like, OK, so big Nung, like after a little Nung's like,
well, I'm gonna be late, it's gonna be your fault.
Basically is what she say. She guilt trips her into doing
this and big Nung's like, Oh my God, I don't want you to be late
for school. So she resigns to the fact that
she has to do this thing she really doesn't wanna do,
otherwise her no Nung's gonna get in trouble and then it's
gonna quote be her fault. So then she struggles to
position herself across the car and then complaints the little
nun you're too far away. Like she's basically like, if
you're going to insist on me doing this, you have to like,
meet me halfway. Meanwhile, Little Nung lunged
across the console to quickly kiss Big Nung 5 seconds ago.
And Big Nung's like this is too hard.
I don't. Yeah, dude, it's too much work.
Like I love that she's a grumpy 30 girl sometimes and she just
makes me laugh so hard. She's like, I'm not as flexible
as you, you damn youth like. I was like, you're the one who
wants this. Right is really what it is.
She's like you wanted this, you gotta like do this.
So then I'm not saying anything little nun gets she goes across
the console like gets right in big nuns space with this
expectant look and that's when she's like, am I close enough
now? Like little big nuns like
breathing on her and she like, and she's making direct eye
contact, like challenging Big Nong and is again trying to get
more than one cookie here. And she's basically like, give
me a kiss on the lips is the implication, 'cause she's like
positioning herself facing big Nong.
And big Nong, to her credit, does not take the bait because
she agreed to one cookie, not a dozen.
And just like this whole ordeal, Big Nong looks so annoyed and
it's just hilarious. It's so funny.
Little Nung is being peak Little Nung here.
Yeah, she's. This is cooking right now.
This is. Yeah.
No, this is. I love that we keep bringing
back their original personalities.
Like they didn't totally change and their old dynamic is still
here. This is little Nung being like,
I took a cookie and big nun's like, God damn it, no more
cookies for you. Big nun's like, but you owe me a
cookie 'cause now I 'cause I gave you a cookie.
Big was like, fine, I'll give you a cookie.
And the big nun's like give me 12 and she's like, no, no more
cookies. Stop with the cookies.
So Big Nun reminds her that she only promised one cookie, and
she moves Little Nun's head forward because it was a cheek
kiss, not a kiss kiss. Right.
It's so funny. But OK, but again, little Nung
always gets more cookies than in the bargain.
OK, always. Because what happens here?
Big Nung doesn't just do like a super quick PEC to appease her
and be like get out of here. She gives her a full like a
giant cookie here because while it's a chaste cheek kicks, Big
Nung does linger in the kiss because let's be real, like she
also, despite the protests, despite the paranoia, like she
is paranoid and stuff like that. Because deep down she also just
wants to be able to kiss her girlfriend before she goes to
school. Because Big Nung is the one
who's always like I have to be the last person she sees before
she goes in the building and the first person she sees when she
emerges. She 100% is that person who's
like, I want to kiss her before she leaves.
So like, when given the opportunity, she does do it.
And like, you can tell that, like, Big Nung is like, feeling
all of her feelings in the kiss. Like, she's not denying herself
that. Like, yeah, it's to like,
complete the Give a Mouse a Cookie game.
But also like Big Nung wants to do it is the other thing.
Yes, because if they had a choice they would never take
their hands off of each other. Yeah, no, the big, I'm pretty
sure would go into class with her if she had the choice.
I'd just like hold her hand in class.
They're so codependent. I can see Big Nung doing that.
And then the teacher's like, do you want a guest lecture?
Just like, I don't know a goddamn thing about economics or
whatever this class is for sure. Anyway.
So OK, let's talk about the We're still on the kiss, though,
so little while Big Nug is feeling all her feelings and
lingering in this guest, Little Nun is spellbound and like stays
like in her position after big Nung pulls away.
And then big Nung goes back to being worried.
But little monks like, ah, the magic of kisses.
Like she's just so happy because like that's all she wants.
She just wants a normal relationship where she can like
do PDA. And this isn't even really PDA.
It's in the car. So it is like semi private, you
know, like it's not like they're in front of her classroom doing
this. It's like they're in the car.
Like if this is a reasonable like modest PDA thing.
Like again, for somebody like Big Nog who thinks eating food
is porn, like this is modest. You know, like.
Yeah, yeah, it's a modest cookie.
And now that Little Nung got her cookie, Big Nung's like, all
right, deal has been met, Go to class.
Yeah, on with the day. And little Nung does comply
because she did get her cookie. And then we cue the creep,
because of course we do. And there is an ominous person
in the shadows and they are taking photos of them in the car
but he is literally right in front of that listen and not
really hidden. So like Nung squared is really
not observant cuz there are bars.
This person is not hidden. Yeah, this person and the car
is. Super close.
Yeah. So I don't fully get it but OK.
I think that like they're so wrapped up in each other that
they don't see anything. And that's part of the
application because like that's part of the problem.
Like they especially Little Nung, Little Nung's in the love
bubble and sees nothing else outside of it.
Big Nung is paranoid, but like when Little Nung sucks her in
like that kiss, Big Nung just goes into the bubble and is
like, I am happy in the bubble with you.
Like she is so like, I think she just, you know.
Is not thinking. Clearly when it comes to little
Nung, but I agree this person is not hidden at all, like they're
just right in front of the car. No, like it's, it's pretty
ridiculous. I mean, they got away with it,
so I guess kudos to you, Creeper.
Yeah, that is, that is you. Know it worked no one.
Else saw this person taking photos.
Of in front of the school. I thought it was weird.
It's a school. Children go here, I guess.
It's not. It's university.
Young adults are here. It's still creepy.
Where's the school? It's still no matter what you
do, taking photos of people in a car is weird.
Yes, PSAI guess. OK, so school's out now, I
assume. Unless this is another day, who
knows? And Little Nung has accompanied
Big Nung to the gallery. Yes, and so we get a different
angle of the gallery, which I assume we're looking at Big
Dong's office 'cause there's like a desk.
So like, let's talk about this office first of all, very
modern. It's like right in the middle of
the gallery. So there's no privacy.
So good job, Sam. I'm picking this office.
There's just a blank space. There's no walls.
All right, so let's just talk about this real quick.
So I see on her desk there's a computer.
Does she know how to use it? We have no evidence on screen
that she can, but I'm hoping little nun can teach her.
There's like a picture. Of it for the screen savers.
All right, it's a picture of her own artwork as the desktop.
Is this thing connected to the Internet though?
Who knows? We don't know.
There's no evidence that she ever uses it, but there's a
computer. But a comedy aside that just
makes me giggle because of my head cannons about Big Nung and
technology. Let's talk about the artwork on
the wall, which is really interesting.
So some of it is from season 1, like the artwork she had in her
like home Art Room when back when they first kind of met.
But I think the positioning of the artwork here is really
interesting. So if you look at where so in
the in this the frame, it's like the first shot of like them in
the office, right and big nuns on like right hand side of the
frame, lower lungs on the left hand side of the frame.
And there's artwork kind of in between them.
If you look at Little Nung, Little Nung is closest to this
picture of like AI think a Jaguar, I don't know, it's a
jungle, some kind of jungle cat. And then Big Nung, the picture
closest to her is like this very excited puppy.
So like it's them in artwork. And I love that Big Nung is near
the happy excited puppy, which is Little Nung.
And then Big Nung is next to the stoic queen of the jungle cat,
which is Big Nung. So I love the positioning of the
artwork 'cause I'm like cute cause like Big Nung put it
there. So I wonder if it's like Little
Nung big Nung on the wall, which is real cute.
That's adorable. This also is a very, very cute
dog. But they missed a prime
opportunity to paint Sunny and have Sunny on the wall.
That would have been cute. I don't know if she had Sunny
when they were filming this or coming up with the decorum.
Who knows? Sunny's a baby.
Oh, I love Sunny anyway. That's Phi's dog if you had no
idea what you're talking about. Bride has a dog and the dog has
its own Instagram if you didn't know.
And he's a very cute like Pomeranian type dog who's very
spoiled by his mommy. And very, very, very, very cute.
And I know he's very cute. Sonny, it's.
Very fluffy. So now to the scene.
Big Nung asks Little Nung what she wants to eat for dinner, and
she says that she's gonna have Auntie Nim prepare it.
So I think, OK, so first of all, sorry, my brain just did not
work. Speaking of food, I think if
Little Nung hated masa man Curry, Big Nung would never eat
again. She would never have Ante Nun
prepare it. Ante Nun would be like, what the
hell is going on? But Big Nung wouldn't eat it.
She'd be like, what do you want for dinner, love?
That was just a side note. Now I love that big Dong is
asking little long what she wants for dinner so she can have
it made for her. It's like very husband behavior.
It's very cute, which I love to your point, but also big nung
bitch, you can cook. Why don't why don't you make it?
Her food would be like I'll make it for you.
I guess she's like past that. She's like, I don't need.
I don't. I'm a working woman now with an
actual steady income, so I got to work.
I can't make food for you anymore.
That and she's too busy staring at Little Dong.
Right. Does Big Nung still make meals
for a little Nung like occasionally?
I know Auntie Nim is there, probably doing it in bulk of the
time because that's legit her job.
But does like Big Nung ever cook for a little Nung anymore like
she did when she was like courting her back in the day?
You know, I just wonder because. She could cook.
That's a good question. Questions that need answers.
Maybe they just cook a lot together now.
Well, little nun knows how to cook now.
How cute would that be? If they actually like do cook
together, I can see them doing that in the future where they're
cause like little Nung's not gonna let Big Nung be in the
kitchen by herself. She'll be like with her and like
helping. Everything would be burned
because little Nung just trying to distract big Nung.
I could see that. Whole day.
Oh yeah, also. And then Angie Nim comes in and
he's like, get out of my kitchen.
Like get out. Of my kitchen like.
You guys would get out in the kitchen?
Yeah, you're burning it. No Nungs in this kitchen.
But little Nung asked for crab meat Curry with fermented rice
noodles. I did so good.
And I would like to try it. I would like to try any of
antennas cooking actually, or you know any of the food on this
show. Seriously.
Now that sounds actually incredible.
Good choice, little Nug. But I also love that she adds
that it's been a while since she had it last, so it implies that
she's eating over at the palace a lot and even has favorite
dishes that Auntie Nim makes. So I love that implication from
the line also. Well, she's definitely being fed
at the palace. I know but it's just like she is
there a lot cuz again time passes and we don't see
everything on screen so that's just an indication that like she
has favorite dishes now. Yeah, that's true.
But unfortunately we can't have nice things.
No, no, no. Ping Pho randomly shows up and
she says she wants to eat it too.
No one asked you. OK, first of all, that line out
of context, amazing. Just amazing.
But also Kevin, she makes me laugh so much in the scene
because some of her lines are just fucking hilarious and like
out of nowhere. So the fact that she comes.
In out of nowhere and then invites herself to dinner with
them is super rude actually like she's just like I will come with
you to dinner and they're like no hello no hi pinkva it's just
like I'm inviting myself to dinner with you guys that's kind
of weird it's like a. Bitch, why'd you even get to the
side of the world? I don't like no.
It's just out of nowhere like. Oh my God.
And then finally though, OK, so remember how in the prior scene,
big Numb's like, hey, little bug PDA, it's I'm worried about all
this shit, your family's freaking me out and little mug's
like, whatever, kiss me in public.
Now Ping Fish shows up and finally Lil Nung actually looks
worried because she's like, Chet was being totally normal, even
though big Nung's like he's being weird.
And then now mom's here out of nowhere and I think she's like,
oh fuck, something the weird shit is I think it finally hit
her that like, something weird's going on, something weird's
happening. What the fuck is happening?
Cause like this bitch never just shows up out of nowhere.
She doesn't call her daughter nothing.
Why? Are you here circling now?
Yeah, now she's like, let me invite myself to dinner with the
two of you to break up your date.
She needs to win her girl back. She says.
So little Young rightfully asked why she is here, which is
everybody's wondering. This literally why are you here?
How did you get here? I want you to stay.
In. Not long.
She never stays that long. I mean, I assume she has a job
back in wherever she actually lives.
So like, how could you just take this time off?
You know what I mean? Like, how?
How did she arrange this, huh? What is time?
Time is a construct. Right, it's true or true, we
don't know. What if she controls time, ping,
fog controls the? Time.
So now we're in the reverse for you.
Serious. Oh yeah, that too.
Wrong author, but also anything is possible.
So Pink was upset that neither of them are happy to see her.
What did you expect? Girl did and you just ruined
everything. Again, I heard lines and this
the gem of a line when she's like, why can't you guys be
happier to see like she's just it's like girl.
You should open a door. And then you're mad they're not
happier to see you. Like.
Girl never. Been happy to see you ever.
Not ever, not ever. To little ones credit though,
she does try to smile when Ping Pho shows up, but it's very
quick and it only lasts a fraction of a second before she
goes back to being worried because her parents are being
weird and it's finally becoming apparent to her that they're
being weird and like she's keeping a giant secret from them
so like. Yeah, yeah, something's going
on. So Pingfa says that she misses
little Nung, and then she tells her to give her a hug.
And I'm like, why don't you ask for a hug?
Well. OK, you're right, she says.
Give me a hug. But if you notice with Pingfa in
the scene, and even now, she's not trying to like control
little Nung or dehumanize her the way that Chet does, because
let's go back to Chet's scene. Chet ignores her until it's
convenient for him. And then he's like, are you
staying here? How long you're staying here?
Don't go to bed late and then leaves.
And then meanwhile, Pink was just like, I just missed my I
missed my daughter hug me like, like she's showing her genuine
affection in this scene, which like her family doesn't normally
do. And and I wonder if you know,
because again, I think that a lot of the affection from Ping
Pho is actually genuine. It's not manipulative.
The way Chet is comes off as manipulative.
But I wonder in the scene if like she's being very like
touchy feely with because she hugs her twice.
Like she's being very touchy feely with little nun.
And I wonder if it's because like the grandmother's not
around. And so that's who controls Ping
Pho. And so it gets in her head and
makes her feel like a child. So I wonder if like this is
actually Ping Pho like with like being like doing what she wants
to do with her own daughter. That's true because.
Being more real in the scene. Her.
We saw her become more childlike.
Remember, she regresses. In front of her mother.
Like regression. Regression.
That's what the word when the grandmother came in and she was
no longer really acting like little nun's mom again.
Yeah, I will definitely bring up that scene throughout this
conversation, the one from where I think it's 10410105 where Big
Nong orchestrates the dinner to like be like, we need to talk
about a little on 'cause she ran away and I cannot have that.
So you guys have to figure this shit out.
And in the in that scene, it was the grandmother, Pingfa, Little
Nong, Big Nong and Pinkfa in the dinner was like, hey, I want her
to come with me because I want the mother daughter relationship
we never had. And and it's, you know, she's
becoming an adult. It's becoming too late.
I want to do it now before it's too late.
And the mother, the grandmother's like why you're
going to take her away so she could get pregnant.
Like you like just immediately, like it dismisses what Pinkfa
wants. It fantilizes her.
And then like in front of big Dong and you know, the queen and
like her daughter and like Pinkfa's in a shitty position
like constantly because like her mother doesn't see her.
I don't think her mother really sees her as a functioning adult
either. And it's like, so I like this
scene because it's away from the grandmother.
So I feel like this is Pingfa being herself and being actually
being the mother she always wanted to be in this scene
because like we brought up Chet, Chet abandoned little nun
whereas like Pingfa was forced away from her by her own mother.
So like I think the mother daughter relationship she seeks
is genuine. I think she does actually want
that with little Nung, whereas Chet is just like property, you
know what I mean? Like I think they're coming at
it from two different angles. Like when they're like, intent
on parenting this, this person, there's more love coming from
Pengfa. You can definitely tell she's
lighter and smiles at little Nung.
You can see the love there where you can see the using through
chat and just the controlling through the grandmother.
Yeah. And like, her eyes really show
that she does care about little Nog.
Yeah, she hugs her twice in this scene.
Like I think Ping Pho. And I think again, what does Big
Nog do in the scene? She closes up and like, watches
all of this. So I think that's why she knows
that like Ping, like in the end, she's like Ping Pho's the bridge
to all of this because Ping Pho actually seems to care about on
like a person to person level more so than anybody else, where
everybody else sees her as more like property.
I don't. Pinkfoot doesn't seem to see her
as property. It's like she pulls her role as
mom and I have the right to do whatever I want when she's like
trying to get the mother daughter relationship.
But like I don't think she's doing it in the same way that
like Chet and the grandmother do it.
Is that myself? She wants to be her mom, but she
doesn't fully know how to be because she's never had that
example. Right.
Her example was terrible and toxic.
And then like, again, you're coming at this 20 years later or
you know what I mean, where she Lilong's an adult and you know,
but pink food, she does she, she tones it down in this scene, you
know? Yeah, and that's why I'm like,
you can see that she just truly cares about little Nun.
And like you said, big Nun. OK, So little Nung looks to Big
Nung when during all of this and big Nung crosses her arms and it
closes her off to the situation going on, letting the mother and
daughter have their own moment. But it also is another thing
showing that she feels like an outsider to this family, like
she doesn't belong to be a part of this right now, Right?
And Little Nung and Big Nung both look uncomfortable.
That Pingfa is there, and that is totally valid.
Yeah. Pingfa's track record.
I would also be like, oh God, the harbinger of doom.
What are you doing here? Every time you show up,
something bad happens. What family drama are we
bringing up now? What bad?
Juju is going on with you. Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
OK, But I want to talk about the first, the first hug that they
do 'cause like I said, Pingfa hugs are twice.
Because I think Pingfa really just loves her daughter.
OK, but let's talk about the first hug.
So while they're in the hug, so it takes a little long a minute
to be like OK And like hug her mom back.
So cuz Pingfa kind of initiates the hug.
But while they're in the hug, we cut over to Little Mong's
reaction of being in this hug with Pingfa.
And at first she looks uncomfortable for everything
other reasons you just stated because it's her mom.
But after a second, she looks up at Pingfa and genuinely smiles.
OK, in the same way that big just like big nun, because
again, remember, these two big nun little have a lot of
similarities, but sometimes they like express things differently.
But this is something else they have in common is that like Big
Nung, little Nung has also built up her own emotional walls,
namely against against people who or situations that are going
to like reject her, namely her parents.
OK, because she was abandoned by both parents, you know, I will
use air quotes abandoned, you know, by her parents.
And so like she's particularly defensive around them for
rightly so because they hurt her in the past and just like reject
completely rejected her. And like she's brought up many
times to Pingfa. She's like, you never call me or
want to seem to want to talk to me.
It's only when you want something.
And like, Chet does the same thing.
We've gone through why Pingfa does what she does.
I won't get into that here. But like from Little Lung's
point of view, she feels abandoned by them, which makes
sense. Chet actually was chosen and
then Pingfa was forced to by the grandmother.
But because of that, she has these walls around her family
members or like, you know, quote the her parents.
And I think that like from the show, we've seen a lot of
especially with Chet Pinkva 2, we've seen this brazen dismissal
from little Nung about her parents, right?
And I think it stems from this trauma of being abandoned by
both of them. In her mind, she sees them as
strangers. She said it over and over again.
Remember, Pinkva's like move in with me.
She's like, I don't know you. That'd be weird.
And then like Chet, she's like, I don't know you either.
I don't want anything from you, right?
She just she doesn't fully trust them at the end of the day.
Like they abandoned her. Like I don't blame her for I
think this is all trauma based when it comes to like their
abandonment. And she's like, why should I get
close to them if they might just leave again?
Correct. Exactly.
So she does a lot of that old behavior in the scene, right?
Pink foot comes in and immediately along like what the
hell are you doing? Like looks suspicious, doesn't
trust any of this. So her that's why her initial
reaction is weariness. She doesn't trust her mother.
But then in the hug we see her smile.
So why does she do that? So to quote the little one
Whisperer or to, you know, paraphrase, little one wants
acceptance and part of that acceptance is to be loved.
So like deep down she does want to be loved by her parents,
namely Pengfa, I think, but like, she doesn't trust them
'cause they abandoned her. And so it's, you know, it's one
of those things where it's like you want the thing you can't
have. So like, she is extra defensive
around them. And I think what this moment is
showing where she looks up at her mother and like, looks happy
that she's getting a hug from her mother.
She's getting loved. I think it shows a deep down
like that is what she wants. Little Monk does want acceptance
and genuine love from her family.
She's just been denied it her whole life, which is the
heartbreaking part because we know and Big Nun knows Little
Nung is this beautiful soul who deserves all the love in the
world. And I think that Big Nung knows
deep down, Little Nung wants unconditional love from her
family, which is why Big Nung behaves the way she does around
Little Nung's family. That's why you see her being
passive in the scene because she's like Pinko's hugging her
like she knows someone wants that even though she won't voice
it out loud. And like Big Nung wants that for
her too, because we've gone through the whole journey with
Big Nun where she realizes the importance of family and things
like that, like despite differences and all that kind of
stuff. And she's like wants what's best
for Little Nung. So there's that.
Little Nung deserves all the love.
She does. She's a beautiful person and
just deserves it, but it's so sad that she was she was
basically denied unconditional of her entire life until like
big Nung comes along and is the is the only person that really
does show her unconditional. It's never strings attached with
big Nung. It's always like I you're
annoying sometimes, but I accept that you and I still love you.
Like she never tries to control her, force her into a box like
she just lets her be and and listens to her.
And that's the only person that ever, the first person that ever
really did that to her. That makes sense why their bond
is so strong now 'cause they both need that and they're both
right that person for each. Other we will get into it later
on. Big nun gets triggered in the
way that little nun gets triggered with like the
dehumanizing because like you're right, big nun also seeks that
acceptance for like who she is. And the only person that ever
the only person we see in the show that gives that to her
besides little nun is Sam. Sam knows her.
Sam loves her no matter what. Like she's always like stealing
money from Sam and says like, whatever, I still love you.
Like, like that's unconditional love.
Like Sam is the unconditional love person if in Big Nung's
life. But like little Nung doesn't
have the equivalent of a Sam. Like she's just, it's
heartbreaking that she's the most alone person.
Like she is the most isolated. She has no. 1.
Except big Nung, right? I mean, to be fair, there's Folk
and UE now. Now now, 20 year, 21 years later
now exactly. That's the sad part.
She spent 20 years just like alone that and and how she
showed up to and how she like developed into this like
empathetic loving person is crazy because like and big I
asked her, she's like, why aren't you a cynical asshole
like me? Like you are so more traumatized
than me and look at you like it's it's wild.
Like it would have been really interesting to get this story
from her point of view just because like her, her journey is
like super isolated. I would have loved to just fit
in her head sometimes because like, yeah, it's she's amazing.
But like, what a strong person to be who she is despite her
upbringing, which was like really dramatizing.
Seriously. And like, not only did her
parents abandoned her, they abandoned her too.
And she had to be with her grandmother, who hurt her.
Yeah, and isolated her more. It's just it was a lot.
And yeah, this girl is amazing. Probably 1 of the strongest
people that we've seen in any of these shows.
I that I've ever seen on screen, like I just in general, she's
this very strong character and like gets dismissed as being
childish and immature and it's like her strength is actually
quite like her character strength is astounding really if
you really take the time to look at her.
To finally feel safe enough and comfortable and not have to
worry constantly. To be able to act like a child
like that, that means that she is truly connected to the
person. Like that just shows how much
Big Nung eases all of Little Nung's issues and not issues,
but like worries and problems going on.
She doesn't have to worry about that.
Right. And so then from her point of
view, it totally makes sense why she fights so fiercely for this
relationship because it literally changed her life.
Like she never had somebody in her life that really loved her
or treated her like a person the way Big Nung does.
So like to go 20 years without that, then finally have it.
Why? Why would you?
Why would you not fight like hell for that?
You know, like. And if she were to lose Big
Nung, she would have. Nothing.
Nothing, Literally nothing. She'd be back where she started
from, but worse because it's one of those things where it's like
to, if she knows what it's like to have the thing that was
missing and now it's taken away from her, forget.
It I don't forget it, her mental health could recover from it.
I think it would be what's that person's name and like an earned
situation. A what?
Aren't from. Oh yeah, from The Secret of Us.
I mean, we'll get there 'cause Laurent starts going down that
route like she starts getting. Extremely I I don't think that
she could go back. No, no, I think that would be
she'd be traumatized forever in the way that like big non didn't
traumatize her forever with the I was using you for sex.
You know Big Nug. Big.
Nug, We. Apologize for you like we can.
I love you so for so many. Things, but that was really.
No, that was despicable. I hope you feel guilty about
that forever. I know why you did it.
I understand the motivations. But like big little Nug was
never gonna be the same again after that.
Like that is a you broke a perfectly good heart.
Like that was scarring what she did.
I understand why, but like. Little Nung brings it up as like
a joke later to like. I hope she, you know, of all the
things she guilt trips and big Nung over, I hope she guilt
trips her over that forever, because there's no, there's no
forgiving that. Like that was terrible what she
did. But I think the lung's too nice.
No, I'm just picturing like 25 years later they wake up little
nung. Just oh, you're still here.
No. Should we reset?
Oh my God it'll be someone big guns.
Like we're literally illegally married.
What do you mean? And then like, yeah, big guns,
just like the hits are with the pillow says go back to sleep.
I could say that. All right, but back to the
scene. Back to the scene.
We're really good at getting on topic with.
We're not off topic. We're talking not about big nut
and little men, but like, I just love them so much.
I can't help it. That's.
That's fair. I mean, that's why we hear how
many hours into talking about this show.
So many. I'm pretty sure by the end of
this you can definitely list a blank content for at least 24
hours. At least, Oh my gosh, you
aren't. No, we have at least like three
hours each episode at this point.
I'm pretty sure it's at least like 3 days.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
'Cause our word on content was 24 hours, like just our
discussions. Yeah, that was one season, so
we'll see anyway. Orient almost 2 anyway.
No, the IT. So this is a side date.
Season 1 we did in two episodes and then season 2 we did all
each episode. That's what I need.
We basically just did 2/1. Season.
I don't remember shit, apparently.
I know. That's OK, It's because I made a
playlist for it. That's all the reason.
I It's a long time ago. OK, back to the scene.
Back to the scene. And to a moment that I don't
understand in general why this happens.
Sing this on a roll. That's all I got to say.
Ping Fizz says little Nung that she looks a lot more grown up
without her glasses. And what is the?
Thing with these glasses, these are now, this is not two seasons
that we've brought up that little Nung looks older, but if
she's not wearing glasses. OK, OK, Is this just the show
that pig was out of touch with little on?
Because it might be. But also my question is why is
she bringing this up and saying this like, oh, you look grown up
without your glasses. It's like, girl, you you've seen
her without her glasses on. Like remember, let us go back to
season 1. Remember when big nun was like,
wow, little Nung, you let other people see the surprise, which
is you without your glasses and pink foes.
Like yeah, I kept the secret. Like she already has seen this,
so why are we why is she bringing this up now?
Like I don't understand why she's bringing this up like.
OK. So I think it's kind of like the
thing where like with children, like, you see them and then
like, they go away for like, it's like a short amount of
time. You're like, you look like
you've grown. Yeah.
Because like, they're just growing so fast and she's not
around to see it. But the glasses thing is weird.
Yeah, I think this is also like, 'cause we pink, we all know why
Pingfa's here, why Pingfa came out of the blue.
She's worried about Ping Nong and Lilong are getting it on,
which they are. And so I wonder if this is a
moment where she's like, oh shit, you're not a child
anymore. Like, you really are an adult.
So like, the fact that you're in a romantic relationship with
somebody. Like I, I think it's like, it's
like, OK again, because remember, the parents are coming
from the scenario of like, I want to parent you 20 years
later. I think Ping Fu is the first to
realize she's not a child. I think that's what this line is
really trying to say. She's like, wow, look at you,
'cause like in her brain, like you said, she doesn't see her
often. For some reason.
They don't FaceTime a lot. I don't know, whatever.
It doesn't exist. They are.
I feel like Pig PO was forbade from doing a lot of things
because of the grandmother. That's my guess.
But like who knows how often she sees, you know, like pictures of
little Dong right? So like the last time she saw
her, she was in high school. Now she's in college and like,
and, and look at the visual. She's in her university uniform.
Like she's got makeup on, like standing next to a big nung
like, and she's under the assumption that they're dating
and doesn't know about that. And she's like, wow, my daughter
is a woman. I think that's what this moment
is for her. She's like, wow, you really
aren't a child. I'm seeing it cause like in her
brain, it's still like probably like the baby she gave up, you
know what I mean? And like, yeah, your daughter's
a woman. And, well, she's trying to hold
on to that as well because, again, she wants that.
She wants. That she lost it and now she's
seeing it. But yeah, that's a great point
because this is the first person to really see Little Nung.
As an adult, yeah, I think it's Pingfa.
I think that's what this is. I think she's really like, wow,
OK, my daughter's a woman. She's an adult.
Like, wow, that's a lot to like because I mean, she came in
being like, get away from my daughter and now she's like, my
daughter's a woman. Yeah, but why the glass?
There's some why the glasses though?
Why the You could have glasses and be an adult.
Is that in a book? I don't know that this line is
in there. I cannot recall all the Ping Fu
stuff later, but like, the glasses stuff is definitely in
the book. Like 'cause it's like, it's like
it's child being like she's not a child anymore.
It's like the way she's symbolizing her coming into
adulthood in a way. Like physically, like we could
physically see the change. So it is from the book.
Yeah. I was just like Pink, but you
were there when she got the LASIK.
So I was like, why are you regularly?
You were there anyway. I think this is a I'm seeing my
daughter as a, she's not a child kind of a moment.
But then, But then we go on to her saying that she is as
beautiful as she is. Fuzz on a roll girl.
The backhanded government. So A cause it's a backhanded
government. I'm like.
And then as you were talking before, I was like, how is Theo?
Are I going to spend this? One I can't this is a straight
up black handed compliment, but I also wonder if she's panicking
kind of she's like, Oh my God, my daughter's a woman and she's
a hot woman. Damn my jeans.
She's hot like me all right, I'm kind of proud of you.
I think she's proud of her daughter at a but.
I love that she's taking all the credit.
Yeah, I love it. Shit has nothing to do with it.
No, he doesn't. We all know that.
This is all you big pho. Yeah, but that was really funny.
Again, all of Pink Pho's lines are hilarious in the beginning
of this. Just like, what?
Are you OK? She's jet lagged.
She's just like, wow, she needs a nap.
I think big. Pho doesn't really have a filter
I feel. I feel like no.
She's neither does little Nog, so she's a lot like her mother.
She's a lot like her mother. The.
Way the grandmother raises them. Well just think about it like
Pink Foe went after Big Nog because she was like
romantically into her and so did little Nog.
Chet was just like you're a trophy wife.
So like she does take more after her mother than her father.
She just gets. Which is a good thing.
Which is a great thing. She just gets that audacity from
Chet I think. I don't know.
Pinkva has some audacity. She has a lot of audacity.
You're right. She gets the confidence from
Chad and the audacity from Pinkva.
Oh gosh. Anyway, that's about it.
She gets nothing else from Chad and.
That's what should be. Yes, that is needed.
Moving on. But this is when Big Nung
finally gets tired of. Pinkva's bullshit.
And asked when she got back because, you know, she she
didn't say anything about coming back and Ping Pong's like it
wouldn't have been a surprise if she told them she was coming
back. They don't want it.
I don't. They don't want any more of your
surprises, girl. I think people in the show, I
can't remember if this is a novel with the surprises.
I think they overestimate how much people want to be
surprised. Like nobody wants surprises.
Like Little Nun has had enough surprises in her lifetime, she
doesn't need any more. Sadly I don't.
I don't know if it was just like the time period or what, but
according to like the loyal pin, surprises aren't really a thing
there. It's a Western thing.
Yeah. So I don't know if that's
changed since Loyal pin days or if it was just like changed or
something for the oil pin. Yeah, I wonder.
If it's like integrated as a thing now, like, like adopted
into the culture kind of thing. But yeah, like, stop surprising
these women. Like, please just stop it.
They don't want that. Nobody has ever said surprises
enough, enough, OK enough. But also I love that Pink Fa's
like, oh, I just came to surprise you.
And Big Nung of course, is super suspicious of this because Pink
FA lives an ocean away. Like she can't just drop by at a
whim just to surprise you out of nowhere.
So like, this has to be planned. So she's like, I smell bullshit
and I don't know. I smell bullshit.
About this I smell bullshit, yeah.
I mean, again, they're maxed out on surprises at this point.
No little Monk's birthday was enough.
That whole thing was just one big giant surprise where she's
like, that's your dad, I don't want this.
That whole thing I don't. Want this was just like you.
Know you? Couldn't explain this a lot.
Better. I'm sorry, then she wouldn't be
big nug. That's what makes her iconic.
She's just like Sarah Fox. Here's how it is.
That was so funny. She's like, by the way, it's
your dad. She's like, what?
No. In front of folk too, in.
Front of folk who's like. Take her alone and like, tell
her everything that's happening. So funny.
She's so funny. I love, I love these sisters.
They're such disasters. I love them.
All right, so after the surprise thing, Ping Pong makes eye
contact with Big Nun very briefly and then says I miss I
miss my daughter, and then hugs her again, which, OK, cute.
Meanwhile, Big Nung watches this and looks super uncomfortable.
I imagine Big Nung's brain is running a mile a minute with bad
thoughts because Ping Pho's here.
As we've established, never a good omen.
She's like the albatross or whatever.
It's like the bad side or whatever.
So she doesn't take her eyes off of Ping Pho this whole scene,
like she very much is just like, you know, of retreating it to
herself. I'm kind of watching this like
she did with Chet, but I also feel like a part of big Nung in
the scene where Ping FA like hugs big or hugs little Nung
twice. I think part of her is happy
because you know her. You know, her girlfriend's
getting like the love she, you know, from her parent And like,
so I think she's conflicted 'cause she's like this isn't so
sit right with me. But like also this is a really
cute moment with you 2. You know she's she can't turn
the paranoia off. But like, what's Ping FA?
Ping, ping, ping. Oh, ping, ping.
Ping. And then we go back to
backhanded, complimenting herself.
So Ping Pho says that her daughter is so beautiful and
there must be a lot of people approaching her and it really
feels like her parents only care about her love life because
that's the sole talk of every conversation.
Again, Pingfa doesn't really know what to talk about because
she doesn't know her daughter. She wasn't, she didn't have that
opportunity. So this is what we know to talk
about apparently. Well, OK, I don't think, I mean,
I agree with what you're saying. Yeah, They don't really.
Nobody really knows Little Nung except Big Nung, which is the
whole problem really. But from Ping Pho's point of
view, in this scene in particular, she's literally here
because of the Big Nung little long relationship.
So this is her way of subtly getting at that in the
conversation because that's why she's here.
Versus like, Chet asks her who she's dating constantly without
being prompted, You know what I mean?
Like, he doesn't know what to talk to her about.
He's always trying to control her love life.
Pigva is here because there's a rumor about her loved life.
So I think that that's why she's more directed like more direct
towards that because like that's why she's here.
OK, that's fair. But you're right, it just those
are the scenes, those are the conversations we keep seeing
with the parents where it's like like, if that's all you knew and
you like thinking about the context of of ping fun the
scene, it's almost like I'm like, did you guys send her to
university to marry her off? Because like you're always
asking her, did you meet a man yet?
Did you meet a man yet? And it's like is don't you care
about how she's actually doing in school?
I don't think they know. Anything to talk to her about?
No, it's like I'm trying to think what they would talk about
cuz like they obviously wouldn't care about the podcast.
I don't even know if they know. About the podcast, I doubt they
even know about that cuz it's shut would be like queer stuff
and shut it down. But like, I think that like,
wouldn't you cuz like pink pho, remember pink pho back in the
you know, the, the dinner one O 5.
She was like, one of her big worries is she's like, I want my
daughter to go to a good school. So she's set up for success.
Wouldn't you ask her, how are you doing at school?
What do you want to do when you graduate?
Like, wouldn't you be more concerned about like what the
success is? Because like, if they're that
paranoid, they'd be, I feel like they would be like, you need to
go to Business School and they would be trying to let you know
the grand man was doing it now. And she's like, you got to, you
know, be in charge. You got to do all these things.
Their conversations are never centered around that.
They're always like, did you meet a man?
And I'm like, what year is it in your brain where like are you
literally sending her to school to marry her off?
Because like it comes off as that.
I don't think that's what they're doing.
At least Pingfa Chet, maybe Pingfa.
I don't think so. But like their conversations
never align with like we want her to be successful after
school because like they never actually ask her.
Or when Chet does ask her, he's like, how's school?
Who are you dating? He will immediately follow up
with who are you dating? Like he's, he doesn't really
care how she's doing at. School, yeah.
He doesn't care about anything. He does not care.
But like Pingfa I feel like
would get there. But like this conversation is
designed to like get it Nung because she's protective mom in
the scene. Like she says, certain things
we're about to get into it that are designed to like, hurt Nung
when she's with little Nung. And because like, she knows Big
Nung, like they've grown up. They were best friends, they
went through some shit. She knows how to.
It's a big nun. Right, she knows how to get to
her. But little Nung is confused of
what to say during this conversation, which she's.
Just like. Yeah, very valid when you're, I
mean, she was, I don't think she knows this, but when you're
dating your mom's ex. Why would why would anybody know
about this scenario? You know how like when you're
preparing for relationships and you're like, hey, but if you're
dating your mom's former best friend, is there preparing you
for that? I don't think so.
Because like, again, little nun doesn't know their history,
which I would love just to kind of that on a source, please.
Can you just like write a scene? Where was that scene?
All three of them? Where was.
That scene. Little Nung and Pingfa.
Because I will. I will say though, OK, yeah, I
want, we specifically want Little Nung and Pingfa talking
about Big Nung because in the book, Big Nung and Pingfa do
talk about the relationship between them in more explicit
detail than you'd think. What?
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Relationship between who? Lil Nung and Big Nung, Like Big
Nung, talks to Pig PHA about her relationship with her daughter
in graphic detail. What?
Yeah, yeah. Which I didn't need that scene,
but I really wanted Lil Nung to talk to Pig PHA in semi graphic
detail because I think it'd be really funny.
I just really want things that would be like, yeah, I get it,
girl. No, like literally that's how
she is in the book. She's like, no, I can't hear any
more of this. Like she's like I literally
stopped talking. Oh my.
Gosh, it's it's weird, but no, I wanted the the mother and
daughter to talk and the mom be like, I get it, I get it, I get
it. Good for you.
Good game. It came.
Yeah, it came. What if I, you know, somebody
had to win? I'm glad it was you.
It's like, at least it's still my DNA with.
At least it wasn't Chet. I mean.
And seriously, how OK but how shitty was that for Ping FA to
find out 'cause remember she was abroad when like the grand man
was trying to marry Nung off to Chet.
How shitty would that have been for her to find out that like
her almost ex is dating the father of her chat?
How much would that suck for Ping Fu to find out that Big
Nong and Chat were engaged? That's really shitty.
That was. Really shitty.
It makes me think that the three of them were.
We didn't see this but it makes me think like the three of them
were friends at that point for some reason.
Maybe not like friends friends, but they were.
Just, I mean, I think you're right because I think none knew
that Ping Pho was dating Chad. That's how there's a reason.
Ping Pho went to Chad because she was like, heartbroken.
Yeah. So like, I feel like he was
around. Big NUM probably never wanted
him around. Right.
No, exactly. I don't see her tolerating him
apparently, but he was there. There, And that's why Ping Pho
was like, well, he's here. Or like Ping or like big nun met
Chet through Pingfa 'cause they were still friends, kind of.
I get, I don't know. Yeah, I think your your theory
of attracts. They must have known Chet.
He was just, He was there. I mean he's in their social
circle. I would assume 'cause like he's
son of Prime Minister. Pingfa comes from a well off
family. Big Nun is royalty so it makes
sense that they would beat each other's circles.
I agree that Big Numb would not tolerate Chet voluntarily
because why would she? So yeah yeah that was been
shitty for Ping Pho. I just realized that, sorry.
No, that's it. And like to be an ocean away,
right? Like seeing this being like what
the hell? The two people that ruined her
life. You know what I mean?
Seriously. Oh my gosh, no.
Yeah, that would be interesting to explore as well.
Yeah, OK, but Little Nung says that there is a few.
And then to make her point really clear, Pink Foe clarifies
and asks if she has a boyfriend yet.
And while she's asking this, the camera's on Big Nung and it
reinforce forces that Little Nung is expected to have a
boyfriend and marry a guy. So I feel like.
Big Nung was probably zoning out at this conversation because
they're like, hey, I guess we'll do.
This and. Then she's thinking about this
Curry later. Probably not.
She's like thinking like, Oh my God, I'm gonna lose her and.
Yeah. No, no, she's spiraling.
She's spiraling. Yeah, she's spiraling.
She's quietly spiraling, but if you notice her when the word
boyfriend is uttered, she looks up at pingas 'cause like that
doesn't catch her attention. Back into the conversation.
Yeah, So this is when, like, her suspicions are confirmed about
why Pinkva's really here. Because this is Pinkva's showing
her hand. She's like, This is why I'm
here. And big man's like, oh shit.
And. Then little Nung says no and
Pinkva clarifies further and it questions if she likes anyone
and it is quite interesting and This is why it shows, definitely
shows why she's here because we moved from boyfriend to anyone.
Anyone. And something homophobic is
going on here, but I feel like it's more internalized.
Though big ping FA. I'm just saying I don't think
you you can never get over big nun so.
No, there is no getting over. But like, remember, she's here
to confirm or refute Chet's suspicion about these two.
But yeah, I'm with you. That ping fun never gets over a
ping nun in my head. Canada, she never gets over a
ping nun cuz how could you? How, how could you?
Juan Viva must be some kind of like extraordinary human being,
cuz like, how could you? Doesn't make sense, does not
compute. It doesn't.
It does not compute. Now little Nung looks extremely
uncomfortable with the situation, if she wasn't enough
already. She's uncomfortable, she's super
uncomfortable, but also like when she starts pivoting into
like gender neutral terms. Leong's face to me reads is like
betrayed a little bit like a little bit suspicious and
betrayed. Because think about where we
were a minute ago. I remember she got the she got 2
hugs and she was all happy about the hug and she was like letting
herself again. She let her guard down and she
let herself feel the happy feelings of like, having her
mother like love her and like admitting she wanted to see her
because she missed her. So I think little Nung was
believing it. She's like, oh, you really did
miss me and that's really why you're here.
But now she's like really insistent about know who you're
dating for real. To me, I think from little
Nung's point of view, it feels a lot like Check, because Check
keeps doing this to her. And we, as we've established
many times, he's somebody who doesn't really love her.
He's just trying to control her. And to me, it seems like little
Nung is like, in real time, rebuilding those walls because
she's like, I knew I couldn't trust you.
I knew I couldn't trust you. And I've said this a couple
times, but like, I don't think Ping Pho is here to control
Little Nung. Like not entirely.
I think she genuinely is worried about Little Nung because she's
been burned by Big Nung in the past.
Like let us recall the flashback from 1:04, right?
When she like confessed her love.
And Big Nung's like, get out of here.
What did Big Nung say? What did Big Nung say as the
argument? She was like, we're women and
then we're from a different class, remember, a different
class. So part of Big Nung's rejection
to Ping Pho was like social status, right?
So now that Ping Fassis, her daughter's about to walk down
the same romantic Rd. she did, what does she do?
She says this line to Little Nung that like, you should be
with someone who's your equal. And I think that there's a
double meaning there. I think there's the obvious
comment about the social status thing because she's covertly
talking about Big Nung, and Big Nung is not on the same social
stuff. They are not equal when it comes
to social stuff. But also like I think that Pink
was here because she feels that like big nun doesn't deserve her
daughter because she's in protective mom mode.
She's like you're too good for her.
I've been through this with her. Like she's a heartbreaker.
Like I don't want her to break your heart too.
Like she'll leave you hydro. Couldn't she couldn't protect
her from her mom? Yes, but now she can do whatever
she can to protect her from other people.
Yeah, I agree. I think this is like her trying
to like make up for the past in a way.
Like she's like, I am knowledgeable in this area even
though you don't know that she's like this destroyed.
Me. Right.
I do not want this to destroy you like.
Correct her life. Was changed dramatically.
I mean granted it was her actions afterwards, but it was
the catalyst of her life not becoming hers anymore.
So what we're saying is this entire show is Big Dong's fault.
The whole thing, it's Big Dong's fault.
Just because of look at her. I mean, look at her, look at
her. I get it, I get it.
But yeah, I this reads to me as like Ping Pho really just came
in as protective mother. Like genuinely.
I really like your reads on Ping Pho because it's easy to put her
in the same category as checked. But when we talk about this,
it's it's it's clear because she looks at Little Nun.
More talk to Little Nun. She talks directly to her.
She's physically affectionate with her.
She does say a lot. I miss her.
Like she's been saying that the whole time.
I just, yeah, I actually think she she was being controlled by
her mother. And I think Ping Pho also is
breaking free of the shackles of all of that at the same time
that like, Moodle Nung is becoming quote, like an adult,
like in her family's eyes, right.
So, yeah, I think her motivation is different than Chet's, which
like, he's an asshole. He's an asshole.
I I don't. But like, of course we're gonna
like read Ping Pho as like, aw man, like I hate you because
like we're see we're on team Nong.
So like she is coming in here fucking up our ship.
So like obviously you're going to be mad at her.
But like, if you take 2 seconds to think about her, I think
she's yeah. Like I've said, I think she's
genuinely like here because she loves her daughter and is trying
to protect her because she's she's think about this Sarah,
she's been down this road. She's like, she broke my heart
and I'm afraid she's going to do to you too, like.
And it's not easy to get over a big nong.
And you never get over big numb. I have comments later that kind
of go along with this. I have a lot to say about Ping
Pho because I think she's she's interesting.
And I remember watching this for the first time, and I probably
said it in our reaction videos where I'm like, I feel like Ping
Pho is going to be the one that bridges all this, the family
stuff together because she seems like she has the most selfless
motivation. And by selfless, I mean, like
she puts Lung on 1st, right? Like, yeah, whereas like
everybody else puts like themselves 1st and what they
want little long to do versus like Pingfa is the one that like
again, the line like, oh, you're you're an adult.
Like I think she sees her as a person 1st and like does treat
her that way first. And she sees the happiness from
little Nung when she is around Big Nung.
Like Little Nung never looks that happy around the family.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I know.
It's astounding what everybody else doesn't see that's right in
front of them. I think my Pinfa Pinfa's
actually kind of like removed a bit like from the culture a
little bit and from her family a little bit because she's was
physically transplanted into America or Europe.
I forget exactly where she ends up, but.
She's I'm pretty sure she's in the.
USI think so too, but she hasn't been living in Thailand for like
decades, probably 20 years. So I think she does, she brings
a different perspective into this situation too, just cause
like, yeah, she like it respects her family and the culture and
all that stuff. I'm not saying she doesn't, but
I'm saying that she brings a fresh lens to this whole
situation when it comes to the the relationship and her
daughter and things like that. So.
It's true, so. Not only does she tell her that
she should be someone with who is her equal, she also says that
most importantly, it should be it must be a man.
Most importantly. Most importantly.
It has to be a man. Yeah, so little Nung is shifting
uncomfortable throughout this until she brought up the man
thing and it's she kind of becomes stiff while Big Nung
immediately inverts her eyes and like there, there's no question
why she's here now. Yeah, and if you look at Pink
Pho, pink pho's like staring daggers at Big Nung because all
of the rhetoric up till now was all designed to take digs at Big
Nung. Like you have to be with
somebody who's your equal as a way to say like you 2 are not on
the same page for so many reasons that I can see.
And then like she's not a man. This is all designed to take
digs at big no, all of it. And like the way and big no, no,
she's like the jigs up. Like we're we've, we've crossed
the territory that I didn't want to be in and here we are.
And then what is bang for you? Ping FA says that she has to
talk to Big Nung and sends Little Nung away because that's
what the parent everyone's good at.
Because apparently the grown-ups.
Need to speak. Yeah, and I mean, again, IA lot
of this was just she's like, I'm here to confront Big Nung.
That's why she's here. That's why she showed up at Big
Nung's gallery. Like notice she didn't come to
school to get Little Nung. She came to Big Nung's gallery
and I feel like Little Nung happened to be there.
Is what happened. Because it's Big Nung's fault.
It's big Nung's gallery, like she came to her workplace to
confront her and her daughter happened to be there.
So I think she came in with that mindset.
And that's why like in front of little Nung was making all these
comments, the directed at big indirectly directed at big Nung
and then was like, I'm here to talk to big Nung.
So like, I'm going to need you to go because I this is a, this
is a mom versus boyfriend talk that we're about to have like,
and you know, they both big nun definitely knows that's where
this is headed. But I think little Nung is
finally starting to like get in her brain because when she looks
at big Nung, she looks worried. And it's like, yeah, girl, this
is what your girlfriend's been worried about the whole fucking
show. And here we are.
We've come to the, we've come to that moment.
Now they're alone in the gallery and Ping Pong just starts
walking around complimenting it and it reminds me of the same
thing that she did with Little Nung before she spewed all this
bullshit. She's playing that nicety.
She's like the polite thing to do is to like she's doing small
talk and big nugs like I hate small talk.
She hates small talk. She's not, again, she's not the
person you talk to when you want to chit chat.
You have to get right to the point and move on.
So she's like enough, What do you want?
Like why are you really here? What do you want?
Ping Pho says that she heard something strange from Chad OK
yes because everything out of that man's mouth is strange yes
he's just strange it's. That's.
Just. Him.
That's just him. You should know this ping pho.
The. Ping Nong asked for
clarification after she says that because after she said it
was about her and Little Nung because she is not about to out
them if she doesn't have to. This is a classic situation.
Oh, I know something. And then they're just gonna
incriminate themselves. Oh, that's not actually what I
was here to talk about. Yeah, I, I think this is like
Big Nung's evasive instincts kicking in 'cause she is
naturally evasive. Cause again, she's flight, not
fight. That's her natural state of
being. So I'm with you.
Like if there's some kind of, she's like, if there's some kind
of misunderstanding happening here that Pink was about to
admit to, she's like, she's like, I'm going to run with it
because she's, she lies by omission constantly.
Or she's like, you think whatever you're going to think.
And I'm not going to correct you or deny it.
I'm just going to move on and let you think what you're
thinking, unless what you're thinking is what I don't want
you to be thinking. And then, you know, her brain
spirals. Like, do do you know what I'm
thinking? You think I know you don't know.
Our relationship is not a thing, but it is the thing, right?
That's a big number. Right now.
I confused myself while I was saying.
I was like I don't know if this. Makes sense for whatever.
Anyway, Pingfa asks her if they're dating, which prompts
Big Numg to ask if she just came back to ask her this, 'cause,
you know, this could have just been an e-mail, but she could
easily lie over e-mail. She needs Ping Fu needs to
witness it. Oh again, if this is mom
confronting the boyfriend, that like this isn't a conversation
you have over an e-mail. Like I understand why you're
saying that would be cheaper for Ping Fu, but Ping Fu would adore
the e-mail. Let's be real.
She wouldn't, she wouldn't respond.
This is mom confronting the boyfriend scenario.
So this is a conversation you have in person, which is why
again, it shows the devotion of Pingfa to her daughter.
That she took the time to leave America, come to Thailand to
have the conversation and confront the boyfriend.
Like that speaks to Pingfa's character more so the Chad's
stupid ass. So if you watch Big Nung very
closely when Pingfa's asks, are you dating my daughter, Big Nung
flinches and just like kind of stares off into the distance
because she knows Chet told Pingfa, which means he also told
the grandmother. So not everybody knows this
because like, there's no way Pingfa finds out about this
unless Chet told her and told the grandmother he told
everybody. So now, so now Big has a choice
to make. We're in the nightmare scenario.
She's been trying to prep herself for a void for for a
very long time. But now we're here, she has the
choice to make either. She lies to keep the
relationship a secret, which she hates lying and avoid the
fallout or come clean and fight for the relationship out in the
open with little Nung like the people in the radio show we're
talking about right. So there's is it fight or
flight? What does she do?
Or or secret option #3 keep evading the question.
She goes without she's. Really good at that.
She's she lies by obeying her. That's what she does.
Just evade the question and don't get involved.
It's like, how long can I say nothing until I have to say
something? Well, that or she does the thing
where she's like, let me ask you a question.
Instead of answering your. Question.
She does what she said all the time.
How's the How's America treating you?
Right. But Ping FA did miss her
daughter. She says that we understand
that. And this was the excuse she
needed to come back. In my mind, you can't, you can't
change it. She was definitely upset that
her daughter was stealing her woman.
That was secondary motivation for this.
But you know. Yeah, but I do love that she
actually says alone to big Nung, I missed.
I actually actually I missed my daughter because remember,
because like either before, when she was like I missed you little
Nung, and I let me hug you, that could have been performative in
front of big in front of little Nung, right?
But now she's saying big, they're alone.
She's like, oh, I missed my daughter.
And I love that she says this because it's a clue for us as
the audience and to big Nung that Pingfa genuinely loves her
daughter and misses little Nung because she thinks about her.
It's not like Chet, who clearly does not think about Little Nung
as a person at all, but like her mom thinks about her.
And by answering this question like Ping, Pho is showing that
she is willing to put Little Nung first.
Because what she's saying is like, I came to Thailand for my
daughter 1st and not just to confront you.
She's like, I'm here really because I miss my daughter.
But then also there's this weird shit going on, so I have to
confront you. And and like, Pingva clearly
doesn't want to be having this conversation with Nung.
Like she says it a couple times. She's like, I really hate that I
have to say this, but I have to say it as her mother.
So like, I love that it, you know, this is Pingva putting one
on 1st. She put her life on hold,
dropped everything and came over here to like protect her
daughter and see her daughter. Like I love that.
You know the best. Parent in any of these shows so
far, I mean not any of the shows like we've had other parents,
but like best parent in this show.
In this show, in this. Show in this show.
Yes, that's yes, everybody have big dogs family and then little
Bug's family. Who the best parent would you
say is something It's sad lobar? The lobar not even touching the
ground it's it's with. Satan and Pluto, that's where it
is. It's solo.
OK Ping Fong tells Big nung that she wants her to tell her the
truth and not only does Big nung say yes, she says out loud that
they are dating. So she could have just been like
yes and then pretended later that she wasn't agreeing to that
it was a something else. But no, she fully says we are
dating and this is a huge moment for her.
Like she's able to openly say that and she admitted it to
little Nung's family member. This is a huge moment.
And I love how Bignon does it so she doesn't just like say it
like watch her body language, like when when she's presented
with the question, she like squares up, like she brings
herself to her full height. She like channels all of her
confidence. And just that's when she says
yes, like she's being as real as person.
She doesn't cower, she doesn't look afraid.
She's just very directly like fighting and confronting the
truth and saying yes, like head on like this is something little
Nung would do. OK.
And like this body language, Remember this body language when
she first tells Pingfa we are dating?
The way she holds her head up high and like back straight and
like with all the confidence in the world says it because the
next time she confronts Pingfa, her body language is completely
different. Like this was, this is a fight
pose that she's doing right now because I think that Big Nung in
this moment feels control, in control of the conversation.
And Big Nung is a person we've established that loves being in
control. And so she's showing that by the
way she is carrying herself in front of Ping Pho.
She's looking strong in this scene.
And so Ping Pho, when she's confronted with the blunt truth
from Big Nung, is stunned at 1st and she struggles to process
this and the big news, like, like it's still in her defensive
phone, like she's still got her arms crossed around Pink Fo, but
she's like got the confidence and she's like, isn't that what
you wanted? You asked me to tell you the
truth. And now you're acting like
surprised. She's not sympathetic at all
because she's like, you asked, I told you like, why are you
shocked? So then Ping Fo very quickly
cycles through the 12, the 12 stages of grief and starts with
denial. She just starts with number one.
And she's like, no, how could you say something like that?
It's not true. Big Nog's like, why don't you
motherfuckers ever believe me when I tell you things I don't
understand you. So like Big Nog has to like she
sighs really heavily because like Big Little Nog's family is
exhausting. They're exhausting.
You tell them things and then they like forget you said it and
then they don't listen to you. And she's like, it's genetic I
guess. And then she has to like psych
herself up again because think about Big Nung too.
Like you said, this is a big moment.
She's telling a family member come coming clean about the
relationship. Also to do that, big nun has to
be really vulnerable, OK, and expose herself, right, despite
her defensive stance. And So what does she do?
She like gets even more vulnerable with Ping fun than I
think she ever, ever wanted to because to convince Ping foe
what does big nut do, she waxes poetic about how much she loves
little nut. Like she like gets really
vulnerable with her and tells her the stuff she's like we love
each other. Like she explains the
relationship like which is a vulnerable thing 'cause she's
been the whole show trying to protect that relationship as
much as she possibly can. She's afraid of it getting taken
away from her. And like here she is like
basically like exposing the whole thing like to somebody who
has the power to crush it. Like that takes a lot of courage
to do. It's very similar to when she
talked to Auntie Nim. Yeah, Yeah.
But this is worse because, like, big Nong can easily lose control
of this situation. And that's what makes her
putting. That's what puts her in more of
a vulnerable position than she did with Auntie Nam.
Because we talked about this, like, what were the stakes
really with Auntie Nam? It was going to be uncomfortable
to live in the palace. But ultimately, Auntie Nam has
no control over Nong. Like Nong does what she wants.
He's like, I'm your employer. Like, at the end of the day, I
understand they respect each other stuff.
I'm not dismissing that. I'm just saying like they're not
equal, whereas like Pingfa, they're not equal either because
like Pingfa has dominion over Little Nung whether anybody
likes it or not. So like she can crush the
relationship if she wanted to. So there's more at stake for Big
Nung in this conversation than there was with Auntie Nan.
But you're right, similar situation.
But what's, what's Pingfa's reaction?
I think that Big Nung's very bold, very blunt declaration of
love is the breaking point for Pingfa because she flips out
because I don't think she was like, she's like, this can't be
true. This can't be true.
And then big nose like, no, it's true.
Like I she's hanging the moon in the sky and starts like waxing
poetic about how much she loves her daughter.
And Ping was like, what? No, what is this?
No, don't this isn't true. Like she just in the denial,
like just can't believe this, you know, even though it's right
here in front of her. She's like, I can't believe
this. I think that she also probably
thinks that Big Nung's just making a huge joke out of all of
this because she knows her from when she was young and sometimes
Big Numb does use this to cope with things and doesn't really
handle situations. Like seriously, we saw it at the
funeral where she was like oh what about this?
Like the will and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's true. It she doesn't when things are
too emotional and like vulnerable for her.
She tends to make it into something that removes her.
This isn't really removing her, but she thinks that she's just
playing into it to make it all as a joke.
Yeah, I can say that. So not even after.
Big, big young states multiple times that they love each other.
Multiple. Many, many.
Many times. And or dating.
Does Ping Pho believe it? Maybe she's still in denial.
Who knows? I I think she's scarred for life
by Peg Nung's rejection and that's.
Part of the accidents here, definitely.
Like, yeah, she's just really hoping it's not true and maybe
if she just keeps asking the answer is going to change.
Kind of like a kid asking for dessert after being told no
multiple times. I I I see no difference here.
And yet Pingfa did fly all the way to Thailand to make sure
this wasn't real. So like a part of her was like,
this could be real otherwise she wouldn't be here.
If if like this was so outlandish, like what Chet was
saying, she wouldn't physically be here.
But like a part of her has to be like, maybe it is true.
And her feelings, insecurities, anger from the past come back
when she says a person like you will never like a girl like Anun
and like that's gotta hurt. And there's a couple of things
we need to talk about from this line because Ping Pho definitely
has some trauma from big nun when she confessed her feelings
because that was a that was a whole thing.
Like big dung didn't really validate her feelings first she
just like fully played it off. Like they could have probably
talked that out more but again it was 20 some years ago now and
times were different. She's like maybe if we just
ignore it we can move on. And most likely, in her mind,
the only reason why Big Numb didn't like her back then was
because she was a woman. Yeah, she said the equal thing
too, but she was. Maybe if she was a man, they
could have had their happily ever after.
Not to mention, Big Nun felt nothing for her.
But in her brain that that that wasn't the case.
Because, you know, she thinks very highly of herself.
She's beautiful. Well, let's also talk about the
fact that like the big nung that Ping Fen knew was 16 year old
big Nung, OK? And 16 year old big Nung is the
woman who never had feelings for anybody.
That was the that's the big nung she knows, OK.
And I think that's partially why this is so outlandish to her.
She's like, you can't, you're not capable of loving anybody.
You've said it many times, like, you know, Sam has mentioned it
to Mon in the show where she's like, I can't believe my
sister's acting like this. She doesn't care about anybody,
like care meaning like love. She doesn't love other people.
Like it's just and remember that was Nung's problem.
Like she's never had feelings. And then suddenly she's having
all these feelings and then she's like, what do these
feelings mean? That was season 1 of the show.
So that's where Ping Foe's coming from.
She's like, you're telling me you're in love with my daughter
and you're the person that like doesn't love anybody.
That was partially why their thing never worked out.
Long as like, I don't love anybody.
Like get out of here. I don't want anybody else.
And then she's like, what's like, I think this is a lot for
her to process because they're estranged from each other
really. Like there's a 20, there's 20
years where they haven't also been hanging out.
So like, and Nong is a completely different person now.
We've seen her transform since she met little Nong.
Like she's a completely different person.
So like, I think also with this, this argument, it's kind of
showing us is that Ping Pho and Nong don't really know each
other anymore. And I think Ping Pho is having a
hard time with that because Nung changed.
Like Nung has changed. And Pink was learning that for
the first time in this conversation.
Just like where she's like, wow, my daughter's a woman.
She's also learning like you're my best friend has changed.
Basically learning that life goes on.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And the second thing with this line is just like what we talked
about before, how she's afraid for her daughter and doesn't
want to see her get hurt. Like she understands what being
in love with Big Nung and getting her heart broken feels
like. The only thing is, Ping Pho will
never understand what it's like to have Big Nung love you back.
That's the irony. That's yeah.
And. Ping Pho couldn't protect her
daughter growing up. This is her first time she gets
to like, try like. Yeah.
She's now in her daughter's life.
It is her job to protect her daughter and this is the best
way she knows how because she's seen this play out.
Yes, precisely. And remember, Ping Pho's, Ping
Pho's perspective of Big Nung is Big Nung is the person who
doesn't love anybody else. So I think she has a hard time
believing that when Big Nung says we love each other, I don't
think she believes Big Nung, to be honest.
And she's like, you're just going to hurt her the way you
hurt me. Like you said, you cared about
me and then you, what did you see her dumb Ping Pho was so
callous the way she did it because she, she didn't have
feelings, she didn't understand feelings.
She didn't know how to be empathetic because she never had
these feelings. Now with like little Nung, you
watch her, she's way more empathetic in the scene, even
though she's like standing up for their relationships.
Like that Big Nung has completely changed.
But like, so Pink does, you know, it's understandable.
And I like that you brought up that, like, this is the first
time she ever really could. I mean, I guess that's not true.
The the first time she really stood up for a little nun was
when she confronted her mother. And she's like, why are you
hitting my daughter like that? Yeah, we've seen Pink.
We've seen Pingfa do it. But I like that you brought up
that point because, like, Pingfa is stepping in to protect little
nun. And I think Chet feels like he's
doing that too. But it's to me it comes off as
just totally. Just like, no, he's totally
stuffed and he's still. That's what I mean.
Correct. His motivations are totally
different, but I think in his brain he's like, I'm being a dad
and I'm protecting my daughter or what?
I don't know why he's in the South with my accent.
Otherwise he's in the southern. He's the Southern man, but he
is, he gives me that conservative southern man vibe
in the US and be like, stay away from my daughter and like, I
just, I'm just gonna shoot you with my shotgun.
That's what I mean. He just, it's not because of
her. It's not what she wants.
It's what he wants kind of thing.
But I think in his brain he's like, I'm protecting her.
I'm her dad and he's like whereas paying for we've seen
her do this before with little nun where like when she can step
in, she does like to to protect little Nung.
Not again. She stepped to her own mother
and it had nothing to do with like how dare you like do this
to me? I was like how dare you do this
to her. You know she does put little
Nung first, more so than Chet. Chet does not.
Chet puts himself first in everything he does.
Chet doesn't know how to. Care about anybody?
Else no. Hence why he ran away like he's.
I hate him so much I wish it. Would ruin his life with this is
just because it's going to benefit him.
Correct, correct. That's why.
I hate him but. After Pingfa tells her that a
girl like her could never love Little Nung, Big Nung inverts
her eyes to absolutely anywhere else in the gallery and she's
just internalizing everything right now.
Yeah, and the last shot, it's just these two tensely staring
at each other. So it appears we were at a
crossroads and poor Big Nom failed at coming clean with a
relationship despite trying her very best to come clean with a
relationship. Like I have to give her credit
for that. She tried so hard, but it's like
the. Hardest thing ever tried in this
in her life probably. Yeah.
I love your daughter like I am dating your daughter.
We love each other. She's like.
We have a normal relationship where we just love each other
and pick was like stop talking now like nog tried so hard.
The only thing she could have done and this wouldn't even
worked is like literally shake her and be like I love your.
Daughter or just like go get little nung and be like kiss me
and she would do it. She's like OK in front of my
mom. I don't care, right?
Would that have worked? Who knows?
I feel like this, this family needs multiple, they need time
to process it because like you, you would put it in their face
and they're like, I still don't believe you, which is
exhausting. Yeah.
Later that night, Little Nung calls Big Nung in bed because
she misses her and wants to spend time with her.
I mean, yes, they're they're used to being like.
Glued at the hip, yes. And Big Nung tells her that her
sorry crystal stop licking the floor.
I was like, I know you can hear that.
So Big Nung tells her that her mom is back in town and she
should spend time with her. But Little Nung doesn't want to
do that. Little Nung doesn't want to
spend time with anyone but Big Nung.
Also like it's night time, what is she supposed to do with her
mom? But Prof's a big nung for being
so selfless. Through all this though 'cause
like, I know we've talked about why she wants to be, wants
little Nung to be closer to her family.
But it could be really easy for her to say screw it and just
won't be with big little Nung and just not care about the
family. But she sacrifices her time so
they can try to have that relationship and that's really
big of her. That's what I mean she like
plays like the the damsel role where it's like my power is self
sacrificed even though like she has a lot of power and influence
as who she is. Like to your point where she
could. But like this is the character
arc right Where like if big Nung was 16 years old or 20 years
old, right If they were the same age like 20 year old big Nung
would be like fuck no and would do what she wants and would take
a little long away. But she's learning how to be
selfless and and put other people first, like to make
better choices and make less mistakes.
And so here we are with with big nun.
So yeah, I do love it. It's just growth for big nun,
which I love. But little nun's like, no, be
selfish and take me away. I don't wanna be here.
Which is a lot of their conflicts really.
What do? You want Romeo?
Take me somewhere we can. Be a lot.
That's literally a little nun at the scene.
All right, so Little Nung misses Big Nung like we know.
And she's upset because she starts this off with being like,
I hate that we're apart because we were gonna watch a series
together tonight. So that begs the question, what
kind of series was Little Nung gonna have Big Nung watch?
Were they gonna watch Gap? What are they gonna?
Watch Love is Blind. Cuz like it's scripted
television, I assume a series. So like what is little nung
into? Cuz like we know our favorite
radio series. I, you know, I assume it's going
to be some kind of sapphic romance that they should be
into. Gap I feel.
Like, you should be into like, gap or like something like that
anyway, so big, right? What big, Nug insists, insists.
Like, hey, spend time with your mother.
I like, I was also a little surprised she did this, not
because she's being selfless, but because Ping Pho is being
weird at the gallery. And so, like, I'm surprised Big
Dong is not more concerned for Little Monk and like, little
ones alone with her mother who just like flew halfway across
the world to confront Big Dong and did not take it well.
So I'm surprised she's like, yeah, I spent time with her
'cause like, I guess she's like, hey, your mom's in denial about
us. Might as well, like, you know,
she hoping for the best in the scene.
I I wasn't sure. Aye, sure, who knows, but who?
No one will know how this is going to play out.
I. Am so it's.
True. It's true, if I have you spend
more time with them, they won't be as angry and they'll be OK
eventually. This is a Trowel Plenoy novel.
You never know what's going to happen.
But we can always. Count on little Nung being
little Nung and she's like, it's such a pity.
I was planning to play something with you tonight.
Sexy shirt game anyone? OK, this this line I assume is
for the book readers because they definitely play sex games
in the book and like they definitely play games and Little
Nung would come up with games and then Big Nung would go with
the game. So this is 100% a call out to
that. And when Big Nung and Pingfa
talk about their relationship, this is something Big Nung
brings up to her mother. Oh my God, inexplicit detail.
So that is what's happening. That's a great question, Big.
Chow. Why Chow?
I don't know, the war, the war crimes, the war crimes in these
novels is astounding. So thank you screenwriter, for
not putting us through this. But also keeping this line in
here 'cause like this is homage to the book in my mind, 'cause
they, they definitely play sexy role play games and it's Little
Nun, Little Nung is a big thirsty one that gets them into
it. And then Big Nung's like, I'm
kinda into this too. And then they just kinda go with
it, which good for them, good for them.
We're not here to king shame anybody, not even fictional
characters. That's great.
But I love this line because it's it's book reader line.
But this immediately freaks Big Nung out, and she's like, is
your mom around? She isn't, because she wouldn't
do it if she was. At least that's little Nung's
answer. Because.
Yeah, OK, little nun, you definitely would try to figure
out how much you could say and tease Big Nung before people get
suspicious like you would be like pushing it.
Little Nong is 100% that bitch that would bring up sex games in
front of her mother. She is that person.
So this is a whole last live and she's like, I would never do
that. It's like you absolutely would
do that. Absolutely.
You're the one in the car who's like, it's just a cheek kiss.
Nong, it's fine. Nobody knows.
Like it's a girl. You're constantly pushing
boundaries. Like you said, she would
absolutely bring up sex games in front of her mother.
She is that. Person.
I'm now picturing the conversation of Big Dung telling
Ping FA everything but Little Nung being there too and like
Little Nung chiming in. Yep, it was a very explicit
conversation that I wish I didn't read, but Oh my God.
Little Nung tells Big Nung that she misses her and this woman is
currently cookie deprived. Like she needs cookies.
She hasn't had cookies in like a couple hours.
Right, it's been a couple hours. So big Numb puts on her cute
voice and says, I miss your soft cheeks too.
I love how like that's that was her response.
Like I don't miss you, I miss your soft cheeks.
I think she's implying like kissing her cheek because like
again, we watched her kiss little on his cheek in the car.
What was she doing? She was like, MMM, like enjoying
it. That's what she's I think
talking about here. But.
And little nun tells her don't do this because it's this is not
helping the situation, it's just making her want to see her more
and she knows she can't right now.
No, little nun cannot handle the cute voice.
She's very honest about that. She's like, I can't handle this
when you're like doing the diabetes talk, like I can't
handle it. It's too sweet.
But big nun double S down and continues and then is like, does
it make you shy? And it's like actually kind of
cute to see the Super upfront little Nung being bashful by
this because she's all confident and assertive until big Nung
comes out to play. And you see it in the car ride
when she's like being all assertive.
And then Big Nung shifts it to her and she's like.
No, when Big Young turns on the big gay energy, like Little
Young's brain gets fried and she can't handle it.
Remember when they they were in the car?
I forgot what episode it was, the last episode or whatever.
And then driving, she's like, and I'm making her heart race
and this and that. And Big Young stops the car and
she's like, what are you going to do?
And then Little was like, Oh my God, I can't handle this.
It's too much. Yeah, it's like when Big Young
turns on the charm, it's over. And little Nung tells her that
it makes her want to hug her because I mean, I would want to
hug her 24/7. So I don't think you need an
excuse that it makes you want. To all right, but like going
back to like the bashful thing in this scene.
I got a little different vibe from little Nung in this scene.
I think big Nung, big nug can't see her.
Remember, they're not Facetiming her on the phone, which side
note bit for a millennial, big Nung makes a lot of voice phone
calls as a millennial as like I've done research into our
generation for something that has nothing to do with this
podcast, for like a presentation I had to give.
Millennials don't like phone calls.
Like I could say that as more I hate phone calls.
My wife hates phone calls. We're not phone call people.
You text me, don't call me kind of thing.
So like big number for a millennial makes a lot of phone.
Calls I just. What do I throw that out there?
Which is odd. Does Gen.
Z OK with phone calls or? No Gen.
Z likes video calls. Gen.
Z likes video. I don't like video calls.
I don't like voice calls. Text me.
I like video. That makes sense then.
Well, it's like, I think it's because like, I grew like we
grew up with like AOL Instant Messenger.
So like, that's basically was texting.
So like, that's how I prefer to text.
I don't wanna see you. I don't wanna call you.
Just text me. I'll text you back.
It's just I prefer. It well video calls, Yeah.
OK, never mind. Continue.
So like it's weird, but I don't know, I don't know if it's a
cultural thing like a moment, Thailand millennials versus US
millennials because again, my research and my take on this is
very USA based. But anyway, regardless, just
wanted to make that comment. So the vibe from little Mung in
the scene with the bashful line, I didn't read her as bashful in
the scene. I'm reading her as thirsty top
little Mung was in this conversation.
I didn't see any shyness from her because the whole
conversation she's bossing big nun around like the whole
conversation because she doesn't say please please don't do that.
She says stop using that voice with me because it makes me want
to hug you right now. She's commanding big nun to stop
because she wants to hug her and like I get the impression she
wants to do more than a hug. Big nun is like from this but
she says like But anyway she seems very bossy in this scene
to me and like all confident and just trying to boss big nun
around. Which is interesting, OK, you
also read the book which gives you more into them.
I feel like maybe I should have read the book because I would
see more of the dynamic as well. Little.
Can be bossy. She definitely can be when it's
thirsty. When she's thirsty, she can be
bossy. Like big nun is like the top in
all the scenarios. Basically she's the one the Dom.
It's the Dom sub dynamic. She's the Dom, she's the, but
like no nuns bossy. She definitely bosses big nun
around and big nuns like just goes with it cuz like she wants
to make her happy. But I think like this we've had,
we've heard them had this conversation before.
Remember in the car she's like, are you being shy and little
lungs like it's hot out. Yes, I'm being shy.
She's not shy in this conversation cuz she's thirsty
immediately. She's like, I want to play a sex
game at the other big nuns. Like what the hell, Your mom's
next door. What are you doing?
And like, so like again, like thirsty.
When she's thirsty, she's very bossy and like gets it in her
head. And I feel like if Big Nun was
in the room with her, you'd get shyness.
It's like because Big Nun would turn on.
She was trying to turn on the charm, but Little Nun was just
like, you're too far away from this to work.
And it's. Full of fact.
Yeah. Big nun tells her that they will
see each other in two weeks, which like that's that's a long
time for them. But why 2 weeks?
Because it's always a fortnight with queer people.
That's just gay math. It's always 2 weeks.
It's. Always.
It's always. Or at least multiples of two.
Preferably 2 weeks, but if it's shorter it's two days, longer
two months. Yes, it's always multiples of
two. But I like it just seems weird
that they can't see each other at all for two weeks but
Meghnung knows they have to keep their distance because of all
the suspicion around the relationship like.
I I think that like, OK, so remember the conversation with
Chet where he's like, how long you staying here?
And she's like, well, the semester ends in two weeks.
I guess. Again, how fast did Ping forget
here? Like, 'cause in my brain, like
she's taking her away for the until the end of the semester
because the, the plan is to whisk her away, right?
We don't, they don't know that yet, but that's the plan.
How fast from the dinner at Big Nog's did Pingfa get here?
Because now it's still 2 weeks, you know what I mean?
Like it was two weeks the night of the dinner at Big Nog's, the
millennials versus Gen. Z dinner, which that's like 2
weeks. And then Pingfa shows up and
then she's like, I'm going to be with my mom for two weeks.
How fast did Pingfa get here? At night, we assumed that they
had that conversation and then I said the next day, I assume
like, yeah, so we. Don't really know what time is.
Yeah, we don't know what time it is, but it's the time.
But they're still saying two weeks.
So like, damn, Ping Fu, do you have a private jet?
Like, what does your husband do? Like how did you get here?
But no, it doesn't make sense if she's home and the semester is
still going. Well it would make sense that
like Ping Pho would be like, OK, you're staying with me until the
end of the semester, which is 2 weeks and then we'll figure shit
out because Ping Pho's planning on taking her back to the United
States in two weeks. Just they don't know that yet
cuz like she would have to wait until Little Mung finishes her
semester to whisk her away, which is the actual plan.
They don't know that yet. The the nuns don't know.
But like math for Ping Pho, like 2 weeks would make sense, unless
it's like it was a week later and then she's like stay with me
for a week until you're done with classes and for a week
after, like and like you're moving with me in that week
after school. It could be that too.
I need a timeline. We need a timeline 'cause we
keep getting confused about what time it is, how much time has
passed, What are they talking about?
It's just two weeks keeps coming up, that's all.
And then I was like, when did Pingfa get here 'cause it was
two weeks before she got here anyway.
No stress. Yeah.
Oh OK so OK so big nung again they she is trying to still keep
her distance because of the suspicion as well.
Granted I mean she did tell Ping Feh but that woman is jealous
and in denial. I mean on a Soren.
Feel free to correct me, but I like this version.
They're pink as jealous, yeah. Anyway, so big nom tells her to
close her eyes and imagine that she is there with her.
And so then we get this type of shot where they did in red,
white and royal blue and in gap where they show the conversation
on the phone as if they were in the same room.
And now that she feels like Big Nung is with her, little Nung
admits that she doesn't know what is going on.
I mean, it's weird to have your absent mother in her mind
suddenly come back with no warning again, because she
already came back and gave everyone the surprise of a
lifetime, including us. I mean, again, I love that my
reaction is forever filmed and on the Internet because you're
never ready. Never.
And Bing Nung says that Chet must be getting suspicious of
them and asked Ping FA to come back because why else would she
be? But then she says there is no
proof yet there's no proof that they're dating.
She does remember that she confirmed to Ping FA right?
Like does little Nung even know she said that they were dating
to Ping FA? I does Big Nung have amnesia
because like the truth is out there.
Big Nung, you put the truth out there and this if you don't know
what this is, Caitlyn, this is the GIF from The X-Files.
The truth is out there. Like you told her.
I we're dating, we're in love. Like that happened.
Big Nung, do you not remember that that happened?
How is that not proof? I I guess because Ping pong kept
telling her to stop making jokes.
She was like, there's no. Proof.
But you said it right. I guess that like, I guess big
big Nung did read that as like your mother doesn't believe me,
I guess. So like, aside from like my
word, I guess they don't have anything else to go off of.
Because we didn't see the creepy dude taking photos of us in the
car. No, they didn't see that.
That's what I mean. They're still in their little
bubble, so. But yeah, I don't know if she
told. Yeah.
Did Big Nung tell 'cause I, I imagine Little Nung was like,
well, OK, here's like in my brain, I was gonna be like, I
imagine Little Nun would have asked Big Nun, what the hell
were you talking to my mother about?
But I wonder if they never had that conversation.
And like, Ping FA was like at the end of the Big Nun Ping FA
conversation was like, I'm taking her away right now.
And they never got to be alone until right now when they're
having this conversation. And so like, yeah, question, did
Big Nun tell Little Nung what she and Ping FA actually talked
about? Because I imagine Little Nung
was dying to know, right? Yeah, I mean, so I don't think
I, I pretty sure anybody would be curious.
But also, like, I I imagine big nun had to have told her because
that's probably why big nuns. Like, why are you talking about
sex games? She was already suspicious of
her, right? Just like, whatever.
Yeah. I don't.
Know. And I don't know, does respond
like she always does. So what?
She knows she loves Big Nun and she wants to scream it from the
freaking rooftops. She does not care about any of
the repercussions of this. But Big Nung once again reminds
her that it isn't that easy. And she tells her that she wants
to make it easy but it isn't because Little Nung's family
trusts her and if they know about them, Big Nung has trouble
finishing that sentence. And I feel like Little Nung
could sense the like uneasiness from Big Nung because this this
whole situation is a lot. Well, big men was hesitating
because she was going to be like if they knew we were fucking,
but she didn't say it out like she because again, food is
eating food is porn. Like she can't verbalize.
They have sex with each other. That's where she was.
Her brain goes right to the gutter and little one's like, Oh
my God, with you, you big prude. I think that's why she cuts it
because like that's where big nut was going just like that.
We. We.
OK, that's fair. That's where her brain was
going. She can't say it out loud
because of the modesty thing. Clutch clutches pearls in her
brain. I love that big nung is like the
most modest out of everyone. Who's more modest, pin or big
nung? It's hard to compare them
because they're the time period makes it different.
But like I would say big Nung is more modest because she's modest
in the modern era, which makes her pretty modest, you know what
I mean? Versus like in the loyal pin,
like that was the time period, like PDA wasn't the thing and
like little Nung would have been seen as like the weird 1, you
know what I mean? If you transplanted her to like
the 60s or whatever and she's like, let's kiss it in public
and they're like, what are you doing?
Like that's against the law or whatever, Like, you know what I
mean? Like she'd be seen as the weirdo
where it's like Nung is like what do you what?
What time period do you think this is anyway?
Yeah, and then Little Nung asked Big Nung to promise not to leave
her, and they're on the phone, so they can't pinky promise
this. That's right.
And it's interesting that she chose the word leave instead of
break up because this is her abandonment issues coming out.
All she has known is people leaving her, even if she didn't
really know them. Like her parents did leave her.
She didn't know that they them beforehand, but they she knows
that they left and now she knows them.
And she doesn't want to but she does.
And like I said before, Big Nung leaving her will calls her to
never recover because that is too much.
Yeah, I agree with everything that you're saying.
And I think that because she was getting triggered, that's why
she cut big off. Like when big ones trying to
figure out how to say the word sex out loud because she's a 30
year old who can't say the word little one cuts her off because
she's like getting triggered and worried.
And I think part of her felt like this conversation was about
to slip back into their like circular arguments that they've
been trapped in when it comes to like their relationship and so
little long. If you look at her and she says
that she really does look terrified of losing big 9 to
your point. And like because all the bravado
she had from 2 seconds ago is like gone like 2 minutes, 2
seconds ago she was bossing big 9 around on the phone.
Now she looks terrified. But The thing is, like, you
know, Big Nung grows over the course of their relationship.
And like, yeah, they do end up in these circular arguments
sometimes, but Big Nung's in a different place now.
And she she literally flat out told her mother that they were
dating. Like, that's new and different.
And so like, that's evidence to us that like Big Nung isn't
gonna like, not fight for this. Like, you know what I mean?
She's kind of already doing things to fight for the.
And I love that she says flat out, I want this to be easy
because I think I really believe in the background.
She's been doing everything she can to make this easier because
she knows it's going to be hard no matter what.
That's why she's been, like, navigating this the way she has
been with little amongst family members because she's like, they
see me as a part of your family even though I'm not, which is a
huge honor. And then, like, here we are
doing this behind their backs. And like, that's going to
complicate things. But also it's complicating
things is the fact that they don't see you as a person.
They can't get on board with the queerness.
And so she's been trying in the background to be like, can you
accept she's queer at least? Like, we make progress very
slowly. So I think she has been trying
to do that. It's just like their situation
is very challenging. I mean this, this situation is I
just chow he did something. But Big Nung asks why would I
leave you? And this is a huge reassurance
from Big Nung, who did keep running away from her problems
growing up, trying to find her own happiness in an easier way.
Now she is here to fight for her happiness, but she's still going
to prolong the family from finding out as long as possible.
But she will fight with Big, with Little Nung.
And that's what Little Nung wanted to know.
Wait, it's. True, though I agree with all of
that. But I think the thing that makes
little nung an easy in the conversation is like what does
big Nung? Does big Nung answer the
question right away? No, she asks the question
instead of answering the question.
So I think that that by itself may uneasy.
She's like, why aren't you answering?
Because she knows her pattern of behavior enough to be like.
You're making me nervous by the fact that you're not directly
answering my question. That's that is fair as well.
Little Nung tells Big Nung that she is afraid and again, Big
Nung doesn't answer right away and Little Nung starts freaking
out because that is when, yeah, that is when she starts to
smile. It's also easy to forget with
the way that this is edited that they aren't in the same room, so
it helps to remind the viewers that they can't actually see
each other. So like, everything is silent
for Little Nug. And it would make sense.
It wouldn't make sense for her to freak out if they were in the
same room because she could see her reaction.
But because they're on the phone and they're not on a video call,
because apparently they don't exist.
And you know, Big Nun is a millennial.
Well, like again, but like big nun does this when they're in
person too. And I think little Nung would
still freak out because big Nung, it sounds like she's
evading the question and that is her pattern of behavior.
And that makes little nervous when she's like, I'm asking you
a very, I'm being serious for once.
I need a direct answer from you and you're just evading and
asking questions. So I think she'd still be
nervous either way. And then the video call thing
like it's valid. They don't use video.
I mean the at the end we get a video call ping fo but like
spoiler, I'm sure you've seen the show, but like and big nug
never do video calls. And I wonder if a it's because
big nugs and millennial. I'm like, I've established
millennials don't like video calls, but big nugs seems to
really big nugs more like a boomer and boomer is like voice
calls and like Jed X, at least in America.
But I wonder if it's like the practicality of it has to do
with like budget 'cause like then they'd have to edit a video
call versus like doing this, you get the actors.
I like the red, white and royal blue thing where they get the
actors in the same room to be on the phone with each other 'cause
they didn't voice call either. And they could have in that
movie. But I like this better because
then you get them acting together, which must be better
for the actors to be honest. And it's more engaging because
otherwise, like what would the it's just like they're staring
at a phone. Like I like this better
personally. But to your point, videos calls
exist. And when big nung still?
Doesn't answer. A few seconds later, Little Nung
resorts to her whiny voice and says Arnung.
And it's it's actually kind of adorable because it's her
persistent whiny voice from the first season.
And it's just so cute because she's just like remember that
thing? We can be light hearted.
Like come on, you can it's us, talk to me.
And Big Young finally tells her that she won't leave her and ask
why she would do that. She continues to tell her not to
be afraid and there is a way out of everything.
And I'm like, yes, go to the Isle of Lesbos and live your
happy queer lives with a bunch of other queers.
Plus I want to see your bro adventures with Cher because
that would be fun. Yes, I am.
I am always petitioning for Faye and Lux or Faye and Lux to do
something together where they're just best friends because it
would be amazing, all right? But I love when I love when Big
Nung says there's a way out for everything.
And she smiles when she says this and I think that she
genuinely does believe that they're going to be OK in the
end because I think she drunk the love conquers all kool-aid
that like Big Nung, Little Nung's like always trying to
give her because that was this conversation.
Little Nung's like, I don't care.
I'm going to love you no matter what.
Love conquers all would be fine. And big man's like, OK girl,
it's not going to be that easy. Like, have you met your parents?
Have you met your grandmother? It's going to suck.
But like, I think Big Nung is like hopeful at this point,
which is huge because like she has she's a pessimist.
So for her to be avian and remotely hopeful is actually a
big deal for her. Yeah, and shows how little Nung
has helped her grow as a person and kind of made her more
secure. But then little Nung is just
like, I'm sick of this. And she says, time's up for
stressful moments. And, girl, I get it.
Like, it gets to be too much for people.
Like, in general, Like, this is a lot going on.
Your mom keeps showing up at random times.
What? Is your stupid dad Your dad's
worse. Chess just there and but she
says it's time for them to listen to the radio and beg.
Nung says that she doesn't have a radio and this is where Fiora
pointed out earlier that they listened on the iPad.
Right, because I love Lil Nung's response.
Lil Nung's like computers. Big Nung, we have computers.
It's 2023-2024, whatever time it is.
So like my thing is like, girl, what was this line, Big Nung?
Because again, they were listening on the iPad at the
beginning of the episode, and it's again, it's moments like
this that make me think that Big Nung just isn't that into
technology and gadgets. And that's totally fine 'cause
all she needs is like a blank canvas and some pencils and the
girl's good to go. She can entertain herself all
day without modern technology. But my bigger question is like,
wait a minute for her to say this is weird.
I don't have a radio. It's like Big Nung is in the
palace right now. So you mean to tell me that the
Grand Man didn't have at least one old timey radio in that
place? Like we don't even have one
relic from the loyal pin sitting around somewhere.
Like there's no way. That woman struck me as the type
of person that would listen on the radio, you know?
Like back in my day, it was the radio I feel like she had.
There was a radio somewhere in that palace.
Big Nong. She Big Nong knows even less how
to use that though. But girl, you were literally
just listening on an iPad like a day ago.
What was this? Line and turned it off like.
You I know, I know she know how to work it like anyway, she
figured it out. But the I again, her comments on
technology make me laugh. I just really think she's not a
technology person at all. She's just not.
And like, it has nothing to do. Like, yeah, she's younger.
She has the capability of no. Right.
It's not an age thing. I just think she doesn't want
to. Or just think about it anyway.
But when Little Nung says that people these days use computers
now, she is technically pointing out their age gap again.
But this time it doesn't make Big Nung shut down.
And she actually takes a second to think about it.
And it's like, Oh yeah, those things exist, right?
That's why I don't think she's using the one in her office
either. She's like, Oh yeah, computers,
those things. I just don't think she thinks
about technology like that. That's why she's like radio.
I don't have a radio. While she's doing stuff.
No, I think she likes silence. I get it big nun.
I concentrate better with silence too.
So like I don't think she's an internal monologue person.
I think she's her brain works like mine.
She likes the silence, I think. Little Nung is an internal
monologue person. She could be.
OK, but then Big Nung says that she doesn't want to listen to
music. And again, really big.
I don't think we've seen Little Nung listen to music.
And Little Nung responds. Who said I would let you to
listen to music? I will let you listen to my
favorite station. And again, Little Nun brings her
top energy to this conversation because the way, again, she's
bossing big thing around. What did she say?
Who said I would let you? I would let you, OK.
The way she's like literally bossing her around, I makes me
wonder, was this the game? Was this going to be the game
that she was hinting at earlier where she like let's big non do
stuff like listen to her favorite radio and then she gets
a reward or some shit? Like I feel like the game was
little non bossing big none around.
That was going to be the game. And she's like not she's still
her head is in the game right now.
She's like, I'm gonna boss you around over the phone because I
can't get you in person, which is the opposite of what their
normal games are. I'll say that.
Sorry. Little nun's like how much can I
do over? The phone, that's what I mean.
I think you guys can play sexy games over the phone.
And Pink was really gone, little Nun.
And you were determined enough. Seriously, I'm just saying.
And Big Nun's response is like, Nope, you know, I don't like
that. And Little Nung says that she
should try listening to it when she is stressed because she will
learn that it's not just them who have problems.
And others are going through similar things.
And This is why #representation matters.
No, we're not a look. Remember that Little Nung says
that when you're stressed out, listen to this radio show
because big Nung files that away forever.
OK, yes, so let's talk about this line where she basically
little long lets it drop like he's in this conversation where
she basically tells me then why this is her favorite show
essentially. And that was your line that you
said you'll learn. It's not just us who are facing
problems, other have them too. So we're like think about all
the times in the show that we've seen little long listen to this
radio show. OK, first in the car when she
her very first driving lesson, OK, she was nervous she was
going to do something big and scary for the very first time.
She's like I need my comfort show after Chet caught them
kissing, what did they do? She's like, let's go de stress
and listen to my favorite show. And then right now where mom is
suspicious, dad's suspicious. Mom is separating me from big
non. I'm this is little man's way of
telling big non I'm stressed out without telling big non.
She's stressed out because little man never really comes to
big young as like I'm stressed. She never says that, but I think
this is her way of like saying, hey, these are this is how you
know if I'm stressed out, if I'm listening to the show, because
we've seen her do that throughout the show.
She reaches the show when she's stressed out.
And I think maybe why she does this is because I think when Lil
Nung is, to your point, I think when she's feeling overwhelmed
and not in the right place to talk things through with Big
Nung, this is her version of of escaping and centering herself,
right? Because that can happen right?
When like Lil Nung is not afraid to like be vulnerable or talk
about feelings and stuff. But like everybody gets points
where they're too overwhelmed to do it.
And I feel like that's what's happening with her.
And so she's like, I just need to listen to my show.
Where's like Big Nung? When Big Nung is really
overwhelmed and stressed out, what does she do?
She's like, I need to isolate myself and process this by
myself. I think Lung is the opposite,
where she's like, I need to be in the company of other people
listening to their problems. So I'm less stressed about minds
because she feels that sense of connection to be like, OK, I'm
not the only one with problems. You have problems and you keep
going. I feel like that relaxes her.
Versus if you were to put Big Nung in that situation, I feel
like it would stress her out more.
She'd be like, I have problems and you have problems.
We all have problems. We're going to die versus like,
you know what I mean? Like like big nun needs to be
alone to like calm herself down because she's more of an
introvert when it comes to this stuff and she gets into her head
and like that's how she calms herself down.
Versus Little Nung, I think needs she's more extroverted in
this kind of sense. Like I have extrovert friends
who just like they need to talk things through with other people
and they're stressed until they do that.
I feel like this is kind of a similar thing with Little Nung.
She's like I need to hear your problems too and that'll help me
process my problems because if I'm alone with my problems I
will freak out and like Big Nung is the opposite.
That's true. Yeah, that's a good point.
OK, so Big Nung says that she isn't going to listen, but after
minimal emphasis on minimal from Little Nung, she caves.
OK fine, I'll listen to it. And then Big Nung asks her if
she stopped reading novels, and Little Nung says that she has
everything she needs now, and now that Big Dung's is hers.
OK, I love I love this because yeah, this is weird because
again, I think like, why being on caves is she's just like she
just like spending time with little non.
But I think the reason she brings up the novel here is
because she's like, well, I kind of would rather hear your voice
than listen to strangers on the radio.
So she's like, well, remember when you used to like read books
to me? I I got to listen to your voice.
But I think that's why she misses this, her tail telltale
sign of being like, I miss you. I want to hear your voice
because that's why she agrees to this.
So but little dog being a cheeky bitch, she was like, I don't why
would I have to read novels? I got what I want cuz
translation. I don't need to read about
falling in love or spicy scenes and novels cuz like I have you
to do all those things with. So you're like, I got the real
thing. Why do I need again, real?
I prefer real life over fiction. That's it's bringing that full
circle. So I love that.
It's true, but going back to like.
Go ahead, Sorry. Going back to like, she learns
like different things from media.
Basically she finished Blank the novel and was like, I got this.
I can stop reading. Or maybe it's Pluto.
We don't know. Satan do.
We still haven't watched it. All right.
Yes, we still have it. Don't tell us what happens.
No, don't, don't. But like, watch Satan not
actually be a thing associated with Pluto in any sort of
significant way. And the show is just like.
Watch it not slate into the show.
I know it's in the novel. I was spoiled but like watch it.
No. Yeah, somebody spoiled what it
means. I will not spoil it, but I think
Big Dong was into the stories. I was kind of like, can you read
a story? To me, that's what she wants.
Just just. Talk to me.
She wants her to just record a podcast?
Really. You should just go listen to the
Long's. Podcast Yeah, no, seriously,
like she's lucky she has the podcast.
Like she could just like, fall asleep to the podcast.
That night, yes. What if that's what she did
while little nugs with a coma? Oh my God, I can see her doing
that. I can see her doing that.
Oh. My God.
I know. That's so sad.
I know, but I can see her doing that.
I can see her doing that. So sad and then holding the dog.
Yes, and just crying herself to sleep.
I can 100% beat sleeping. I'm doing that.
She would. She's that bitch.
Yeah, so the episode ends with Big Nung Tong Little Nung to put
on whatever she wants to listen to.
OK, so technology again time. Alright.
So Big Nung is now listening to Little Nung's computer through
the phone. I.
Think so. I mean we don't see Little Nun
get a computer out, but she does say you can listen on a computer
and if she played it through her phone Big Nung wouldn't hear it.
Or is big nung? Were they both supposed to like
go to the app? Did she teach big nung about
apps like? I don't know.
It's still not disproving our theory that big None doesn't
understand. No, I still don't think she
understands technology, but I just don't think she wants to.
But yeah, no, I don't understand how they're how they're actually
listening to this. I think they were supposed to
like turn it on on their phones, but like maybe computers was
like translation of like technology exists or something
like something more generic like.
But she says you turn it on. Well, yeah, but I'm wondering in
that line where she's like big non computers exist.
I wonder if the translate like the word that was actually used
wasn't like could because a pewter is a specific form of
technology. I wonder if it was a more
generic word that's just like there's newer technology, you
know what I mean, where it's a generic word.
So then when 1 was like turn it on, she means like without
saying the phone, like turn it on your phone or something.
I have no idea. I assumed a little long, just
like turn. They were supposed to like hit
an app and like listen to it simultaneously 'cause there was
no computer in wherever. Little bug is that I could see I
don't think big nun cares cuz truly I don't think big nung
even if little nung figured out the technology and put on the
radio show, I don't think big nung heard a damn word of what
was going on on the show cuz like look at her face.
She was just as this this kind of like concludes like she just
got this dreamy look on her face.
So I think she's just daydreaming about little nung
the whole time and not listening to the show.
So like I don't think she even cares.
Little Nung probably didn't turn on the show and big nun just
like. Why'd she just fall asleep?
Right. Like she's just like, I'm just
holding her breath because I want to.
Like she doesn't care. She does not give a fuck if that
show is not on. She don't care.
Let's keep 100. OK, well somehow we turned 15
minutes into three hours. We sure did.
How did we do that? Because this show is so good.
But anyway, you're in luck though, because this episode is
ending in a much better place than we originally had this
ending. This was a pretty.
Bad ending. This episode gets depressing the
war we go. So like, at least we have big
nun and little lung not in the same room, but they're mentally
together in their little love bubble.
So like, that's a happier place to end it than all the drama
we're about to jump into because it's a, it's a lot.
And who knows what how much we'll get through next time.
These episodes just keep getting longer.
We're gonna finish this episode one way or another.
Just it's gonna happen. Just enjoy the ride.
Yeah. And do we do like the final,
like the big gay energy award? I forget in the middle.
Yeah, we do. We do OK.
Yep. I just sometimes we did in the
beginning and sometimes we didn't.
OK, big gay energy award. At the end of our episode.
Or unless you have Taylor Swift songs, if I want everyone to let
write down all the Taylor Swift references from this episode
'cause we sang one, but there were so many that, like Theora
said, just naturally in the. Part of my.
Conversation and it took everything in me not to start
singing and I'm damn proud of myself.
I mean, yes, there is one game still playing in my head because
she said it and I only know the one line from the song, so I'm
sorry. Let's start with Big Energy
award, Little man bossing Big Nung around in this scene.
We just went over like, wow, man, first of all, the audacity
to be like talking about sex games with your mother might be
present and then bossing big Nung around the whole time in
that conversation. That was a lot of big energy.
Is Big Nung telling Ping FA over and over that she loves I love
your glitter love and they're dating?
Oh my God, seriously, the little one's family is wild.
I swear to God they don't listen.
None of them listen. No, I don't think that they
learn that skill. No, I don't think they did.
That's why like they're always like Big Nung.
I don't know how you get her to love you.
And she's like, I fucking listen to her.
Why is this? They don't know how to do that.
Big non. That's the downfall of this
family. Anyway.
Taylor Swift songs for this episode.
Well, OK, little non. And this is.
Are we out of the woods yet? Are we?
Are we out of the woods? Are we in the clear?
Good and big non's like no big non and big nong in this episode
is dancing with our hands tied. That's big nong.
She's like girl, 'cause she's trying to navigate the situation
and she's like, we're dancing with our hands tied.
Like we're still doing the we're still doing the relationship,
but like now we're being boxed in and shit and Lil Long is.
Are we out of the woods yet? Are we out of the woods?
Different energy? There we go, the same.
Thing you get now. They're like, shut up clear.
Yeah, I can see Little Long skipping around singing that
song just to add no, a big nog. And it would be super funny.
And I wish I had this blooper that does not exist, but it
would be so funny if it did. That would be so funny.
That would be really funny. Mine.
So I was in the. Car going to a soccer game and
this song came on and I was like well shit, this this works
pretty well for them and the song is ours.
Oh, Pooja wrote that in. Yeah, I responded to yes.
And I said like, yeah, that was I have it to bring up and it's
like perfect. And like we could do it like we
did cardigan. It's a lot more straightforward
in the things, but like there are a couple of things that we
could talk about, but if anybody's interested.
I think we if we want to do it, we just do it because it's our
podcast. We do whatever we want.
It's how you got a cardigan explanation for 20 minutes, or
how long that was. Oh my gosh.
But yeah, I hope, I hope people don't mind the Telesis
references. I mean, it doesn't matter if
they do because we're still gonna do it because that is the
way my brain works at least. And they are like, so too.
So that's what happens. That's what happens.
It's part of the podcast. You just turn it off when you
get there and you don't like it. OK.
All right, so now time for the secret word.
If you made it this far in the episode, we want to know.
Use this word in a comment or review.
I thought we'd do a review this time.
We love a review. I don't.
Maybe not with this word. Maybe a different word.
Never mind. Let's do.
Oh my God, Caitlin, make up your mind.
Tell the people good people. I don't know them to do.
I don't know what I want you to do.
I can't make up my mind. Do whatever the hell you want
because it is you have control over your comment or review.
Just like with your. Own desktop our podcast.
OK, but today's secret word that you're not supposed to look up
the spelling to is incredulous. I think that's how you say it.
Yeah. Incredulous.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can still use
it in a review. We do need reviews so that would
help out. Where can they leave a review,
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