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Theora? Today we're back to discuss
Girls episode 8 because we cannot help ourselves because
that episode was epic. So we're gonna talk about just
that episode. That's how good it is it.
Was a really good episode. Oh my God, it was so good.
So good. It was stupidly good.
Like starting off strong in the beginning and just kept getting
better. So like, what a fucking episode
that was. So we're here to just talk about
the episode 8. It's so good.
Yes, let's do it. Sorry.
Are you OK, Caitlin? I am totally OK.
I'm just so excited to talk about this episode that I can't
even contain my excitement. I can't even contain my you know
who else is really excited or better be excited?
Patreon. So I'm just gonna give some love
for our Patreon 'cause that was kind of partially why we're
here, 'cause we had some people on Patreon be like, I better
get, oh, wait, who is it? Mary Elle says like, I better
get an analysis on episode 8. Here we are, Mary, just for you.
I saw that. I was like, oh man, I got to
write a blog. And then I was like, there's too
much shit in here to write a blog.
Caitlin, we're filming. So Mary, this is for you mostly.
Also Ashley Soustanen, who was like, damn, this episode was
long as fuck. The last one we did white cat
who comes in with the ringer who's like.
I was also super excited to see how long this video is.
And Can you imagine if they broke this showdown?
It might rival blank. You're right, white cat.
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But then like, I was Mia for a while because of life.
So we so we're making up for it now because as we anticipated,
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there's so much shit going on and it's amazing.
So. There's so much going on.
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all facts and I will give some love to all of you.
So thank you all. All right, we see you.
We love you, we hear you. And we're here because of you.
So enjoy. All right, where would you like
to start with episode 8? Do you have any particular?
Please can we just start with that the first?
Scene the beginning the beginning.
So I'm just gonna say it now. Give Milk an Academy Award for
her acting in episode 8 and all of girl roles as Sasha because
holy shit was that a master class in acting?
What she did the whole episode like starts off like Oh my God
her acting was insanely good. Like I'm so beyond impressed
with her performance as Sasha. You amazing could see all of the
emotions happening on her face. All of them.
She doesn't say a goddamn word. No.
And like, not even not just all the emotions she portrayed, like
the emotional damage that was happening to her character.
The watching the trauma happen in real time.
Oh, my gosh. And like, just when you think it
couldn't get worse, it got worse for her.
And it's exactly what I thought was going to happen.
Yeah, you called it. Some casting couch it.
And I just that guy was you. Should I raindrop killer?
Where are you? Real quick, shout out to casting
for girls. You picked some creepy ass men
to pay. Play these like pretentious
predatory photographer guys because there's two different
ones we've seen in Sasha's plot line.
Like shout out to casting, you did a great time finding men who
could play creepy ass men, so good job.
Yay casting fair girl roles. All the casting's on the point.
We always got to give love to the behind the scenes people
because you matter and just it shows through the casting.
And I think the show is also a love letter to the crew also
because they do make a point to be like the crew matters.
So I think some some fed up crew people also were like poking the
screenwriters and be like, can you like and they're like, OK,
yeah, Yep, Yep, Yep. We love you all.
Yeah, we're going to write that in there.
And I'm support that decision. That's some good propaganda I
get behind. Yeah, OK, anything.
Anything you want to talk specifically about that scene
other than Milk's God to your performance, says Sasha.
Just that it's awful that it happened and that that's what
happens still today. Like those types of things
happen and like you would not you would think that things
would change. But there's a reason these
stories are still being told. And I really hope, for the sake
of everyone on that production, that this was not someone's real
experience. That's what I'm worried about
but for. Some reason it just seems a
little. Too real, I know.
I'm like Milky method acting. I hope not, women hope not, but
I hope not cuz wow the drama. Please be OK.
I just want to protect you all. All right, let's let's.
Actually talk about that whole thing though, because I think
that if I weren't Mary Elle on Patreon, if I was going to write
a blog post about episode 8 specifically, I think my thesis
would be the power of no and the power of saying it and not
saying it. Particularly not saying it.
So like, I think that that's the pervasive theme throughout the
episode that really effects all the plots.
But I'm going to talk about start with Sasha and kind of go
through the rest of them. So because there's some foiling
happening between Sasha and Prim because that's what they do.
So it always goes back to Prim. So let's start with Sasha.
So like, OK, in that scene, Sasha basically was in that room
and I and I brought it up in the in our first review of episode 1
through 7 where I was we're talking about what the trauma
could be. And I was like that.
My question is like, did her manager put her up to this?
That was my question. I'm like, did it just happen or
like, did one son put her up to it And like she did?
So that was confirmed. The evil was confirmed here.
So, OK, so in this scene, basically it starts in the
before Sasha even gets into the room, OK.
And there's some weird shit happening here where once Sen is
essentially talking Sasha into it, right into the what the
horrible situation. She's just about to go on and
she's going on and on and being like, this is your big break,
OK? This is somebody who's
influential. And if you do what they say,
then we'll all you'll be famous and we all win, right?
Your mom will be happy, I'll be happy.
Everyone's going to be happy. You just have to do what he says
because he's that powerful. And if you notice during that
scene when Sena's talking to her, when Sena's not like
looking at Sasha, like she looks a little jittery like, and she's
not really looking at Sasha. So my read on that is that this
bitch knows that this is a creepy man that she's about to
send her. We don't know how old Sasha is.
She could be a child. She might be a minor.
We don't know. Into this room alone with this
man one Sen knows. OK, so she's trying to basically
get in Sasha's malleable brain and be like, you have to do it.
Like it's your choice. But like, if you do it,
everyone's going to be happy and proud of you, right?
And Sasha, like make that argument.
And then if you notice Sasha, like Sasha, I feel like she was
traumatized before this moment because like in that scene,
Sasha doesn't like she's like seems like she's not present.
Like 1 Cent has to be like Sasha, Sasha, Sasha before
Sasha's like, what? Like where are we?
She almost seems like she's disassociating from this moment.
So I'm like, I feel like she was.
I feel like the trauma has been ratcheting up, like with One
Cent pushing her. And so she's like disassociating
already before she even gets in the room with the creepy
photographer. Did you notice that?
I was like, she doesn't seem OK and we haven't even gotten there
yet. I wonder if she was thinking if
like this is something she even wants to begin.
With. Because like again, she's been
doing it since the toothbrush commercial when she was younger.
So like they. Say canonically she's been
acting since she was eight, that 8 when she was 8 years old,
that's when this all started. So we don't know how old she was
with the toothbrush commercial, but like 8 years old was when
she was started in the entertainment industry and she's
like in her 20s now. Yeah.
So I'm sure she's probably like, do I even want to keep doing
this? But like probably being told by
her mother, like I'll be so proud of you if you do this, if
you do that, so. Does she have conversations with
her mom? Like I don't even know that her
family, her family period family, I don't know that her
family talks to her. I think the middle man has one
son and like everything goes through the manager and like,
who knows what isn't or isn't going through the manager
because the manager has a vested interest in Sasha performing and
doing well because that's how she gets paid.
Not a great babysitter, you know what I mean?
Like the babysitter is like, I'm profiting off of you.
So Mom's going to be so proud of who knows what mom is.
And then The thing is they keep putting it on her mother, but
like, where's the rest of her family?
Where's dad? Because mom has a step husband,
has a new husband. So where's dad?
Where's the where's her auntie's?
Where's grandma? Like where's the rest of the
family? Why is it just mom?
Like nobody is looking out for this girl, nobody that's related
to her. And then she's been pawned off
on her manager who's literally profiting off of her.
So like she's being she's been preyed on since she was 8 years
old. Yeah, it's almost like a child
should not be in the entertainment industry.
Almost. Yeah, that would.
It's almost like they're definitely a normal idea.
There needs to be a requirement like there's someone hired to
just look out for the well-being of a child because is that.
Not the manager who's technically supposed.
To no because they're getting paid based on their acting.
I agree so. I don't know how you would set
up that business model though. That's why allegedly the family
member is looking out. But like also kids can't have
money so like the parent or whoever is related to them is
also praying off of them. Like it's all bad because
children don't. Children don't have.
Rights. It's all bad, the whole.
Thing is icky. But back to the scene with
Sasha. Like, I get the vibe that, like,
she seemed pretty checked out already before she even gets in
the room. So I feel like the trauma was
already happening. And who know?
Again, we don't know how old she was in this scenario.
So she wasn't 8, Obviously. I hope not, but like, because
it's the same actor. But like, who knows how old she
actually was. She might have been a minor.
We don't actually know that. Yeah.
So it was already suspicious. And then she gets into the room
and then the man's being all creepy.
And then, OK, so then power of saying no.
So, so think about the scenario. So like we kind of just said
like, like one Sen has power over Sasha, right?
Because she's the parental figure and she's the guardian
air quotes and she's her manager and her friend.
Like Sasha said, that's my closest friend, which red
remember red flag, red flag. That's her closest friend.
OK, the woman who profits off of her, right?
OK, so this is 1 authority figure, all right?
And the authority figure before she gets gets in the room was
saying go do it. Then she gets in the room with
the dude. OK, he's the guy in charge.
He's the guy who can like quote, make or break everyone here
because he ultimately is the one that's going to employ her or
not, right? So Sasha in the room with this
man feels powerless, OK. And Milk did a great job of
showing us how powerless Sasha felt the whole time, especially
when he's like, get naked. Basically, he's like, take your
clothes off. You're a model.
Models are naked sometimes. Just do it, right?
And you see how she feels powerless.
And we as the audience, like, it's really easy to empathize
with Sasha in that scene, right? Because like, you feel terrible
for her because she feels powerless.
And you can see how powerless she feels, right?
Like that's palpable. Yeah, you definitely can, yeah.
Right. Did you did you empathize with
Sasha? I did.
Did you cry? Yeah, of course.
Well, I didn't cry, but it was very hard to.
Watch that, it's hard to watch. Because it felt so.
Real. It feels so real.
Yeah. It's super uncomfortable.
And that like, that's the point. And like, it's hard to watch
that because it just feels so visceral, right?
Because you're empathizing. It's easy to empathize with
Sasha in that scene. And I'm say that to make the
point when I compare to Prim and you're like, what?
It's hard to empathize with Prim.
OK, so just remember that, OK, All right, So basically she's
powerless because everybody else in the room has power over her.
OK, then the the insidious gross part for me, not this wasn't
gross was how they're trying to manipulate her.
OK, because when Sen and the photographer are both framing
their manipulation as they're the rational ones, because Juan
sends like, if you do whatever he says, you'll be famous.
You want to be famous, right? You want to make mom happy?
You want to make me happy, right?
Do what he says. And then he is like, take your
clothes off. And he's like, models take their
clothes off in front of people all the time.
Like you have to be able to do this quickly.
If you can't do this now with just me, how do I know you can
be a model? Like that's how he's
manipulating her. He's basically like trying to
make it sound real rational and like if she says no, she's the
crazy one, which is gross. OK.
I also want to like point out that they usually have like
private areas to change and even if they are changing in front of
people, it's not one-on-one with a man who is.
Filming you to get naked. Who's filming?
It takes out their phone to. Who's filming it?
Yeah, yeah, a little different, but like, again, she's not,
hasn't made it yet. So he's, he's the authority
figure. He would know he's in the
industry. Like you see the way she's, it
would be very easy for her to be manipulated because she's
powerless. She knows the least.
These are the authority figures, the people she's supposed to
trust telling her this shit, right?
It's really gross. And this is how women get
trafficked, basically. OK, so once Anne's really gross,
we're sending her in the in there with like Jeffrey Epstein.
That's this guy, right? You know, he sends her in with a
pedophile or whatever, OK, And this all this shit happens to
Sasha. So like Sasha could have said no
at any time during that, right? Because once Anne see Elaine
Maxwell in the scenario, it's basically like, you know, Sasha,
like Sasha brings up her mom or whatever mom comes up and she's
like, you know, you can, you can call your mom, you can go back
to your mom whenever you want. Basically be like you can say
no, like you don't have to be here.
I mean, your mom wants you to be here.
Like you see that she manipulates her and she's like,
you know, you could say no, whatever.
And when she's in the room with the dude, what does she think
of? She thinks of when one sends
like, you know, you can go back to your mom whenever you want,
almost like there's an illusion that she has a choice here.
But like Sasha feels like she really doesn't have a choice
because everyone is stacked against her Mom wants her to be
here, wants then wants her to be here.
This dude wants her to be here. Everything, everything is riding
on her being famous, right? So she feels like she can't say
no, so she doesn't. Even though she can say no and
walk out of there like she can't.
She just doesn't. OK?
So that's the power of like, if she said no, this would have
never happened. But then like everyone's mad at
her, so she doesn't say no. So she feels powerless, right?
OK, now let's go compare this to the A plot.
OK, so over in the A plot, we have Aries.
Aries in the A plot. OK, so we have a same scenario.
Not same because there's no one's filming anybody.
Sasha's is worse. We have a very similar scenario
going with Prim and Ary. OK, so in the middle of the
episode we have Prim alone with Ary.
So that should have been a red flag to Prim, but apparently
not. So Prim is finalizing this music
video. To your point, she I'm sorry,
the music video, the music video in this episode goes through
several rounds of edits and like the first draft that she shows
Bambi honestly looked better. It she used more more scenes
where Goria and Sasha looked in love.
And then in the second draft, I was like, these are the worst
possible of those scenes you could have picked because
they're clearly fighting on screen.
So. It honestly doesn't work with
the romantic music playing, It's really horrible.
Actually. Made me laugh.
The music video is so bad. It's a hot mess guys.
That's Prim. It's just Prim is a mess.
Anyway, that made me laugh. OK, so they're alone, right?
And then Arie does the thing where so this is after like she
hugs Prim in the bathroom, that whole thing.
She's like, I don't have a partner, which, OK, I'm sorry,
really pretty. No, just jump.
In this pissed me off. Can you jump in whatever because
she's like can I hug you and then immediately hugs her.
She doesn't wait for the consent part.
Arie's not into. Consent.
No, she's not whatsoever. But like you don't ask someone
can I hug you as you're actively hugging them.
They're like I, I, I guess. So that's taking away her
autonomy there. Yeah, that was weird as fuck.
You know she's the villain in a GMMTV show.
When they don't care about consent, that's always a GMTV.
No one remember. I think that's why they had to
have the scene in the very first episode where we forgot to give
love to this scene. But we in the scene, the first
episode with Prim and Gloria where Prim's like, you can't be
drunk for this because consent is important because they had to
be like Prim's not a feeling. Even though you're going to like
not like Prim most of the show, she's not a villain.
We just have to make that clear. She cares about consent.
She's not a villain, guys. You're not going to like her.
Just just so you know, that's why I think.
They made us fall for her in the beginning, so we'd think we're
going insane when we start not liking her.
And then we'd be like what? What's going on?
I thought she was my favorite. No, she's not my favorite.
What is happening? She's people.
Prim's.
Insufferable. But yeah, Prim is people.
So here's another scene where Prim is insufferable.
OK, right. So thank you.
Please interject. Whatever.
So all right, so we're back in the room with the horrible
second draft that Prim thinks is great, and then Aries there and
Aries does the thing where she's like, I think anyone would be
happy to have you as their girlfriend.
Which girl have you not paid attention to Prim?
I don't. I don't think Goria you dodged a
bullet girl, because like if you got involved with Prim, you'd be
more traumatized than you are now.
Like you don't want Prim is not a good girlfriend.
I just need to say that Cory dodge a bullet.
But anyway, the Aries not on that train.
So she puts her hand on Prim's knee.
OK. And if you watch Prim, Prim's
hand goes to move like really quickly towards Aries hand, but
then she holds back. So like her instinct is to like
move Aries hand to make the stop, but that's as far as it
goes. And then Prim looks
uncomfortable if you look at her, but ultimately Prim does
nothing. Prim doesn't say no.
And the difference between this scene and the Sasha scene is
that Prim has all of the power in this scene, all of it.
This is an employee employer situation.
Prim is the employer. Prim can just be like I will
call HR if you keep doing like she has all of the power.
She does. In this scene, all of it.
And then Prim. So Prim is not empathetic in the
scene because she's knows what's going on, hence her hand moving.
She knows this is wrong. She when Arie goes away, she
looks uncomfortable like she knows this is wrong and she had
all of the power to say yes. Unlike Sasha who felt like she
she could have said no, but Sasha felt like she couldn't say
no because she was the most powerless person in that
scenario. Prim is the most powerful.
Prim chooses to say nothing. She does not address it.
She just evades out of it and being like, I'm hungover, I need
coffee, OK. And then Prim has the
motherfucking audacity audacity to gaslight Bambi when Bambi
brings it out. Oh, yeah, OK.
What? The fuck I I also wrote this.
Thing that like Prim says nothing and she has the power
here because but I want to like state that we're not blaming
Prim for this happening because like she is technically the
victim here because. Blaming Prim because she does it
all the time. OK, but but like, it's Arie
doing this, correct? Yes, Arie, she knows what Arie's
doing. She doesn't stop it, but it's
not her fault that Arie is doing it.
Correct, correct. However, prim by prim not
addressing it prim enables the behavior.
Yes. Which is why Arie keeps
escalating what she's doing. And because she has the power
she could like, it would be very easy for her to say.
Something. There is no contextual reason
why Prim doesn't say no. That's what I mean.
Prim is not empathetic in the scene.
Prim has a girlfriend that Arie knows about.
They are at work. This is sexual harassment.
Also Prim has a girlfriend that Arie knows about and like.
So contextually, Prim has all the all the power to say no, but
she chooses not to. And Prim's body language shows
you she knows this is wrong. It's not that.
It's not like remembering somewhere, somehow where key
who's like popular with women, like Prim right?
And Key gets hit on and but she's so stupid.
I love her to death. That's my favorite character.
Don't come from her. She's oblivious to the flirting,
so she doesn't realize she's being hit on until her
girlfriend is like, what the fuck are you doing?
And she's like, I didn't even know that was happening because
I'm just an idiot and I can't do humans.
Prim, her body, my language shows us she knows this is
wrong, but she doesn't do anything.
And the guest like Bambi, Bambi's like, girl, this woman
is hitting on you and Prim's in the bathtub being like, wow,
Bambi, you just met her. You're already jealous.
We're just working together. Girl, you know this is wrong.
Like that's why I can't have this with Prim because I'm like
you, you're aware of this. It's a.
It's different when you're aware of it.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I feel bad for Ben and BE.
Here I feel bad for Bambi baby. It's not not.
Prim sees what's going on. Prim knows.
That's what makes Prim insufferable and on epithet like
the most red flag character in the fucking show.
What a plot twist that was. But with Arie, So the issue with
Arie more than, not more than, but like in addition to her
hitting on Prim when she knows that she has a girlfriend is the
fact that Arie has a partner who I know.
Who? What's the word?
They're they're who presumably breaks up with her in this
episode, which I'm still thinking about.
That might be staged. Oh yeah.
But like if she also has a partner that means she was going
after and cheating on her partner.
Now you could argue the fact that their relationship was on
the out, she wasn't feeling needed, she was acting out.
But like she's still going after another woman.
Even if that relationship was fizzling out, she could have
ended that relationship first then going after another woman.
100% they're still cheating. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And no. She's going to say it's not
about her partner breaking up with her when she's actively
going after someone. However, I feel like she knew
that Prim was in that bathroom and that phone call was
completely. Fake I agree I think that was I
think it was staged because it's not that Prim walked into the
bathroom she was on a stall and came out.
I agree I think that was staged. I think that's the when Bambi
again she keeps gas like Bambi in the previous of the next
episode where babies like you really believe this two faced
liar. I think Aries full of shit I
yeah, oh, I have a whole I carry over that yeah, no, I just I
love Bambi more and more with every episode and just I just
feel for. Her more and more every episode.
The way primed like gaslights Bambi.
I'm like girl. Like no, no wonder she's like so
guarded and. Jealous all the fucking time.
Jealous because you're. Told that nothing's going on
when she can clearly see it. She's not stupid.
No, she's not. And you know what I kind of
think while while watching this was like, I think that Prim
likes when Bambi's jealous. I wonder if she gets off on that
like Bambi like going off the rails and being super
possessive. Like it's like in the moment
when Bambi's like having verbally sparring with Airy,
Prim looks uncomfortable. Notice Prim doesn't say
anything. Prim says nothing.
She just does the thing where she shrinks and she's real
quiet, but she doesn't say she doesn't stop Bambi.
Because I love, I love the argument where Aries in there
like they're ending their meeting and Bambi walks in and
then Bambi's like they're having this verbal sparring and Bambi.
And that's when it comes out that Arie has a girlfriend and
she's like, oh, we've been fighting a lot recently.
She's trying to make herself seem empathetic.
In your scenario where this is fake and I'm with you, but Bambi
is like, oh, you're having relationship problems.
You should probably go fucking work on those.
Like Prim will give you time off and Prim's fine with that.
Like she just, she says that and like something to that effect.
And then Prim's just sitting there saying nothing.
Bami's like, you can take off work and go deal with that shit.
Leave my girlfriend, Fred doesn't.
Stop. Sorry, that's a funny thing
there, looking at the both of them clearly knowing what's
happening right now. And she doesn't stop that
either. I know it's fucking ridiculous.
This is your business. Girl, take charge of something
for once. We get that Bambi's the top,
Come on man, I get it, but God damn it, Prim.
But then like Prim has amnesia because later on when they're in
the bathtub and together after all this fucking happens, Prim
pretends like it never happened. She's like, why are you so
jealous, Bambi? I'm like, you literally watched
them fight over you and you're what is wrong with you pram?
Like how fucking dare you? Because like like in as but
that's my point. Like in the moment it seems like
Perm is uncomfortable with the jealousy, but then like behind
closed doors, she seems like oh, that was cute you were jealous.
Like you know, I don't what is wrong.
Prim needs to be in therapy by herself.
I guess that too for a while because like what is she doing?
That's what Prim is so unlikable as a character because she's so
she's a hot and cold person and then like is infecting Bambi.
I think I'm more apathetic towards Bambi now.
Well, yeah. And back to the bathtub scene, I
feel like Bambi has not given been given enough love and or
attention from her mother because, yeah, sure, the little
bit of attention that Prim gives her in the love that she gives
her, she's willing to take it. She's like, oh, I'm the best in
all of the world, not just Thailand.
And she's just happy in the relationship because she wants
to believe in that part. She doesn't want to see the
other part. Like, yeah, she's jealous, but
she doesn't want to see that there could be issues and that
Prim could actually leave her. She's trying to hold on to the
happiness. It could also be that like
because again, we don't really get into Bambi and her dad, but
her dad's dead. So it could be that like Bambi's
and like Dee's dead. So this could all be really
setting back to the fact that Bambi's afraid of losing people
that matter to her and so she's terrified of losing Prim.
Even though their relationship is not perfect, Prim's hers and
she's terrified of losing Prim and so she's that's why I feel
like her. Maybe her jealousy is like more
extreme now, especially after ZE dying, you know, so she's afraid
of just losing people period, especially Prim because clearly
she was like still in love with Prim during that time and all
that kind of stuff. So I think she's double
terrified of like losing Prim. So she's even more jealous when
someone threatens what's hers kind of thing.
She's super possessive, but a bitch died.
A bitch has died. Like we've not dealt with the
death yet yet. No, because we did not go
through go to therapy that year when she really needed to the
most. And she's still not going to
therapy. So yeah, I just, I have, I just,
I thought that that was really interesting, the power of saying
no and like feeling like you can't say no when you look at
Sasha's scenario versus prim scenario.
And then to me, the adult version of that is the C plot of
all plots has like the power of saying no.
And then like, because in that scenario, you basically have
Prim and Prow or not Prim. I'm sorry, Men and Prow are on
in that situation where prow doesn't want to be in a closeted
relationship. And then men is like, I have my
fucking family to deal with. Like I can't make them not
homophobic overnight. Like it.
That's not how that works. And they like they both in their
conversations with each other. Something I really like about
the C plot is that they're probably the most emotionally
intelligent couple, I would say because they talk about their
feel their own feelings and have no issue expressing them to each
other. And that was like one of the
things I really loved about this episode, especially when they
were well, I'm actually in both of their scenes.
In the scene where like Min confronts Prow at her like
studio and then like later at Min's bedroom, they both have
these conversations where they're talking about how they
feel and they're very good at being like, you know, this is
how I feel. I don't want to feel like this.
And probably like, OK, well, don't make me me feel guilty
about how I feel. This is how I feel.
And like they're very good at like communicating that.
But they're in a situation where like they both could say no
like, and walk away from each other, but they don't.
They talk to each other and, and be like, this is my boundary.
This is what I'm saying no to when it comes to our
relationship. Like men's, like, I can't be
fully out with you right now because I have this family
thing. It's going to be slow to get
them to accept me. So I have to take this.
We have to take this slow versus like and then Prow is like, OK,
well, I don't want to be like totally in the closet with you.
So men's like, OK, there's a compromise.
How about you come meet my family and then you see where
I'm coming from. Like I can give you that Now
that will be that's more of that's a status thing.
I'm bringing you to my family. That's what you want.
Like is that OK as a compromise and they end up compromising
with each other? So like they in that scenario,
they both say no to their boundaries but then find a
middle ground kind of thing. So like power of no wasn't all
the plots. I thought that was actually
really interesting how it was being written and presented and
just makes me hate prayer more. Yes, I mean.
Yeah. No, that's definitely the big
thing is her position of power makes it easier for her to say
no. And it makes it really, and it
makes her unlikable because she doesn't, because she can.
She has all the power to say no and she just doesn't.
And then this big wait in that conversation, though, I love the
conversation with Arie, when because Arie said about the X or
whatever and Prim, Prim has the fucking audacity to like try to
give this big life advice. And she's like, don't let things
bottle up. Like Prim, do you hear the
fucking words coming out of your mouth?
You probably listen to yourself. This is another example of it's
easier to tell our friends, give our friends advice, then take it
ourselves. Prim is the embodiment of that
because she's been telling men since the beginning like you
need to break up with your boyfriend because he's toxic.
And then men's like you're dating Bambi, what are you
doing? Have you seen your relationship,
Prim? I love men.
I like earlier when men was like, OK, when she gets back
together with Bambi and men's like you've lost all authority
to tell me what to do in my relationship because look at
you, you don't take your own advice.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. I had a different theme that I
thought of throughout this episode, but I'll let you know
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It's so easy. She doesn't help me like her.
Is she there? I have some positive pro moments
in this episode. I will bring them up, 'cause
she's human being, she's just not.
There are good and bad to every single person and everything's
not black and white. There's not 100%.
There's basically only morally Gray.
We pretend like there isn't. Yes.
That's Disney's fault for conditioning us to think that
there isn't a morally Gray. Yeah, again, we're humans, and
humans make mistakes. We do OK.
Something I just want to bring up real quick, just to round out
that whole thing we were talking about going back to Sasha and
the casting cows, Epstein island thing.
She would just went through OK, where she felt powerless to say
no to me. Go watching all of that really
changed the context of the first time she saw Gloria and she was
on set and similar scenario, right?
It was a big famous photographer.
So here's one sentence. She got her in with the first
guy and then kept doing that, right?
She kept taking her to famous photographers or whatever famous
people to work with. And so she's in that scenario
where Sasha is, it's six months prior to when girl rule starts
and that's when she finds the Gloria.
And like in that scenario, she was like this guy is going to
make me late for my next appointment because he's taking
his sweet ass time. Like I'm going to miss my next
booking go do something. And once said this confirms me.
That bitch did nothing because he was a famous guy and she
doesn't want to piss him off. So she probably didn't do
anything. And so it changed the context of
like Goria and and Sasha watching Goria literally say no
to the famous guy. Literally she was powerless in
that scenario. And the dude points it out
because she doesn't know who got.
So Goria is right and this guy's like you're a no name stylist.
Like what? You're obviously wrong.
I'm right because I'm the famous guy and she's like, this is what
we agreed on. Fuck you.
I don't I'm not working with you.
No. And she leaves.
So here, here it is. Like this is the embodiment of
like what Sasha probably wishes she could have done in that
original incident that traumatized her.
And she's watching somebody do what she wished she had, the
courage. This really brave little girl,
little woman, this tiny little like 100 LB wet girl.
Like it's like fuck you and like leaves.
How empowering is that to watch? That's why Cassandra then is
like, who was that? Because, like, it really changed
that context for me because I feel like that healed Sasha's
inner child a little bit, watching Gloria do that, you
know, because she wishes so, Yeah.
Like if you compare those two scenes, it really goes to show
you that like, Sasha, even though she felt powerless, had
the power to say no. It's just everybody around her
manipulated her into thinking that she didn't.
But Gloria is proof in that scene that like, even if you're
powerless, you can still say the the one without the power.
You can still say no and leave. Which gives prim even more or
less excuse. Yeah, fuck Brim.
But like, like, damn, like, you know what I mean?
Like, it really that changed that scene for me because I was
like, wow, like that. No wonder Sasha was enamoured
immediately because like, she felt like, that's my hero right
there, you know? Yeah, she was definitely like
looked up to her at that point, even though again, she's a
smaller one. I know I don't.
I love that the little feisty 1 is so combative, but Gory is so
fucking brave. Like she's really brave.
I love that about her. She has she has the ovaries to
be like, I'm fucking leave it like you're wrong, bitch.
See ya. I don't basically being like, I
don't need you to get where I got to go.
I'd rather she's like, I would rather sell noodles than work
with an unprofessional person. I don't care how fucking famous
you think you are. Like goodbye.
Yeah, and she's not about to sell out her values and like
when she knows that she's right. Yeah, but also on the flip side,
that could have made Sasha feel worse when she's like, wow, I
gave in when to somebody who was being super unprofessional,
like, you know, because it's a very similar situation, like
Sasha's way grosser and more predatory, but like, similar
kind of scenario, you know? Yeah.
So very interesting. Very interesting.
All right. Other thing I super love about
this, this particular episode is it, it just really dawned on me
how much of A feminist piece of work that girls really is.
First of all, are there any men aside from like creepy
photographers and men's people surrounding men?
There are like no men in the show.
It's mostly women and mostly women.
Are there straight women in the show?
I don't think they're no no except people in men's flat
lines. It's like the only straight
people. So I love that.
So it kind of is the L word, because if you, like, run into
somebody, they're probably queer, yes.
And that's beautiful. It is.
It is, but OK. So I realized that this was a
very feminist piece of literature because first of all,
at all the stuff we talked about before where they have like
domestic violence against women and like all that kind of stuff,
this episode was the embodiment of like the power of women
supporting women. I mean, the downfalls of like
women not supporting women. So I would say that's another
theme. So I think it's most evident in
Sasha's plot line. So once, Oh my God, this poor
girl. The way she was like so torn up
about this. And then, like we said, she was
going to push gory away and then Gory's going to be like, I don't
know about this. And but the way everybody comes
together to support her first with Sasha getting drunk black
literally black out drunk and aunt the bartender bar the owner
of blossom like takes her home. Like she could have, like she
didn't. Need to do any of that.
She could have been like get out of my bar.
Like she took care of she took her home.
And then Sasha starts probably ugly crying about the whole
scenario because she's blackout drunk and doesn't know what's
going on. Aunt hears the story.
OK, If she was an opportunist, she could have like leaked this
to the press, you know what I mean?
But she doesn't. She calls Goria, whom she knows
Sasha quote fired or isn't taking care of her, calls Goria
because she's like, listen, come get your girl.
Like I know you're looking out. Come get her and tells Goria
everything that's happening. She's like, she's a hot mess
because her manager's a monster. And so Goria then comes and gets
her and like gives her this pep talk, which that scene when they
were alone in ants, first of all, Goria in her outside
clothes in aunt's bed, That was weird.
That was a little weird. But anyway, this this doesn't
matter. So that was weird.
But anyway, so they're having that conversation where Sasha's
upset and basically Goria in the converse in that scene tells
Sasha, you're not alone. And I feel like that's the thing
that's been plaguing Sasha forever, since she was 8 years
old and literally isolated by adults who are profiting off of
her. And here's Goria telling her
that. And then like literally
everything in the rest of the episode demonstrates that she is
not alone. Starts, starts with aunt, then
Goria, then literally everybody else comes together for that
press conference. Everybody you know.
Yeah, yeah. That kind of goes with the theme
that I thought of for this episode, which is just that the
fear of loneliness was connected throughout all the plot lines.
I think everybody's got a little bit of that all the time.
Yeah, and like span with Sasha and Gloria.
Like when Sasha wakes up that morning, they were talking,
Well, first of all, even that the night before she was like, I
live alone anyway. So, so like when she wakes up,
she's like, I have no one to lean on anyway.
And then that's exactly when Gloria comes in the room and
she's like, Are you sure about that?
And I just, I love that Goria showed her that she can lean on
her when she needs someone. And it was just so powerful.
And then to see how everyone really rallied around her, it
kind of like seeing that I'm sure I'm getting ahead of
myself. So like the fear of loneliness
continues in Prow and Men's storyline with the way that,
first of all, this was a low blow for men to do.
Min tells Prow that she isn't alone like she is, that she has
people who like she has to. I forget.
She's like, basically, I have other people in my life I have
to consider when I do things. I'm not alone like you are.
Meaning like I have family. You don't.
Yeah, but Min catches herself and she's like, I'm sorry, I
didn't mean it that way. Like, she catches herself
immediately and immediately apologizes.
So like, yeah, I don't think she like, yeah, she's just like, I I
that's not what I meant. Like, sorry, like.
But Min's trying to make the point that, like, my I I'm not
just out here doing what I want selfishly.
Like, I have other people in my life that I have to, like, take
into account when I do things like, you know, But she's not
wrong. Proud does have the freedom to
be her uninhibited self because she doesn't have this like
conservative family breathing down her neck.
But that's what Min was trying to make.
But the way it came out was just very like hurtful.
And you can see it on Prowl space.
She's like, wow. And the way she said it too,
kind of like feels like I confirmed that Prowl has no
support system and I just hope like we see like this whole
group rally around Prow at some point like.
They did for. Sasha, because I think she
especially needs to show, needs to know that like there's people
there for her 'cause I feel like that's a little bit of her
firing this is that she has to take care of herself, yeah,
100%. And that she like, so she has to
protect herself. Yeah, by doing that so.
Yeah, you're right. Being having someone who she can
talk to and rely on, maybe that would make her like chill out a
little bit more and not have to be on guard so much.
And then obviously with Prim, not prim Bambi.
Bambi is just, that's her main background right now is so it
just kind of ties into everyone. But can we talk about men and
that scene with her family? Oh, wait.
Wait, I, I in a minute, I'll get to that.
I want to finish this. It ties into my women supporting
women supporting women and women not supporting women whole
thing. So going back to Bambi first for
a second, OK, Because like I like like we were talking about
like the the embodiment of women supporting women is really this
press conference for Sasha. OK.
And there's a couple things I want to talk about there that I
thought was really, really harped on, like the women
supporting women thing. So first of all, all the
friends, like all the queer women set this thing up.
Get Sasha's lawyer, Goria runs it.
And then there's a couple of like key conversations in there
that I thought were very much like women supporting women.
So like Bipor is the first one. So Bipor comes in and talks to
Sasha. First of all, Prim's in there
first. I'll circle back to Prim.
I'm gonna start with Bipor. But Prim's in there.
And you've noticed when Bipor walks into the room, Prim, they
have this like, silent exchange because you know the history
between Sasha and Bipor and it's.
And then Prim puts her like, hand on Bipor's shoulder like,
like supportively and like leaves.
So like, she's a good sister. I have to point that out about
Prim. She's good.
She's like, are you going to be OK with this?
That's kind of like their silent exchange and then Bipor like
apologizes to Sasha and tells her like I'm rooting for you
today. And she's like, hey, that weird
shit that happened with us that was coming from me, like and I'm
sorry, I'm sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable and like so I
like that they talk and like Sasha's like you know, I'm
flirtatious with everyone because that's my job.
So sorry, but I like that she apologizes and she's like, hey,
I know we had a past, but like I'm still here to support you,
right kind of thing. So there's that.
And then Bambi, I fucking love that Gori is Corey is running
this thing. Bambi comes in the room like a
fucking tornado. And then Bori's like, I got
this, Bambi stay over there. But Bambi's like she's my
friend. I want to help her.
Can I at least pass out the snacks?
And Gori's like, why like like so ferociously.
It's like I'm here for my friend.
Also I'm really surprised that Bambi didn't offer like burn the
place down if shit went sideways because like I feel like she's
that friend you know what I mean?
I feel like Bambi would be the the most literal ride or die
ever. Like if you had her as a friend,
you know, like if Sasha's like I need to bury a body, Bambi be
like, Bambi's the one that doesn't ask questions.
She's like, you got a body to bury.
All right, let's go. And then I'll buy drinks at
Blossom's after. Like that's Bambi.
Bambi's that friend. Especially with that duo, yeah.
She's not friend if you're her friend, she's as fiercely
protective of you as she is of her girlfriend.
Like that's Bambi. So I love how Bambi put her
differences with Goria aside to be there for Sasha, right.
She wasn't combative with Goria. She's like, Sasha's my friend.
I want to help her. I'm going to help her.
Give me a here, here's what I can do.
So I was like, fine, then Prim, OK.
And this was Prim's shining moment, in my, my opinion.
When she goes backstage to talk to Sasha and she basically gives
Sasha a pep talk and, you know, and it was and tells her she's
like, listen, look at all of this, OK?
Look at all the people she lists them out.
She's like, all these people are here to support you.
Like you are not alone. She also makes that point to be
like, you're not alone. You have all the lady bird
people, me, she says us, which I think means me and Mammy, the
lady bird people, Gloria, literally everyone is here for
you. So like you're being supported
by like all of the women in your life are here to support you,
right? And I have to give credit to
Prim because like this in contextually kind of read to me,
like Prim, the director is like hyping up the talent who's
nervous. So to me, I'm like, Prim is
probably really effective at her job and actually would be a good
director because she's like empathetic towards the talent
and like the crew and all the people.
She says she seems like she's a good director.
That's what I got from that. She's hyping up the talent, even
though like her and the talent have a past.
And like, she put that aside for this moment, you know, And like,
was there for Sasha when Sasha was like, she tells her she's
like, I'm really afraid that my emotions are going to get the
best of me when I'm up there and I'm going to start crying.
And I can't, like, hold it together.
And Prim talks are down. Like, that was a good taking
care of the talent thing. So that's my good moment for
Prim in the episode. And the little supportive silent
gestures with her sister. It was that, yeah, that was the
best part of her that we've seen.
Yeah. And then like, and then in that
press conference to continue the women supporting women think
Sasha doesn't make the press conference only about herself.
She's like in the press conferences, like I'm speaking
up so that a just help me, but also so that other women feel
comfortable speaking up. So this doesn't happen to
anybody else. Like, and she's like, she
basically takes everything. Little social justice warrior
again, love getting typecasted as a social justice warrior
again, social justice warrior Goria and she basically says
everything Goria. I feel like Goria wrote the
script Sasha 'cause she's saying all these things like you're not
alone. This shouldn't happen to anybody
else. Like I'm here for you.
Like I'm going to support you. So it's a very like women
supporting women like speech that she also gave, which is
important because remember, remember, let us go back to men
and Prow. Remember men gets harassed by
her ex-boyfriend, the cops, like I'm not doing anything about
this. And then Prow was like, if I was
a celebrity, would you do something?
So like, here's the celebrity being like I was harassed.
Suddenly everybody cares. Notice everybody in the room
suddenly cares. It's it's front page news.
Suddenly we care about harassment.
Mm hmm, mm hmm. Mm hmm, mm hmm.
Very true. So there we are.
OK, all right, anything else to say about the press conference
thing? Otherwise I'm going to pivot
into men, men's family thing. No, go ahead.
All right, so then on the flip side of this, there's the women
not supporting women. OK, so I already went over one
sin, 100% not supporting Sasha ever.
She's just praying on her. So that's an example of like one
sin, like knew Sasha was about to go in the room with a
predator and like talked her into doing it instead of being
like this is unsafe. I'm going to protect you as a,
you know, a woman protecting a woman.
She put she enabled the situation and like sends her in
there. And then going into men's plot
line, this is another example of like, women enabling bad
behavior that harms women. So Min takes Prow home and they
have dinner. OK.
And you, it's very obvious by this, this conversation that
this is a very conservative household, which we kind of
already knew. But then the conversation at
dinner when pivots from Prow into Min and her dad, I think,
brings up, oh, you, I heard you broke up with Park.
Why would you do that? What did you do to him?
Notice the conversation? What did you do to him?
And she's like, why are you putting this blame on me?
Like he could be a jerk and I left him because he was
physically and mentally abusing me.
Notice during that conversation, mom says nothing, grandma says
nothing. They don't protect men.
They're just like, well, you know, you'll meet another boy
one day and have kids and keep the family line.
The family line. What?
You guys are middle class at best.
What the family line? Fuck out of here.
These people with their legacy nonsense like get out of here.
But I notice they don't protect men and they just, they deflect
and they're like, you'll try again.
You'll try again with another boy.
Nobody is like, I'm glad you got out of that abusive relationship
you were in. Men they're just like go into
another one. Notice that women not supporting
women. So then the cycle of like women
in trapped in horrible relationships like continues
because we just it's being enabled.
Right, Yeah, it's I, I hated that part, but I was proud of
men for taking baby steps and, like, standing up for herself
and calling out her family. Like not only does she like ask
if she really needs to endure and like tells them like Park
was abusing her mentally and physically, but she also calls
out her family for borrowing money from her aunt.
Oh, I love that. Yeah.
Showing that they're fucking hypocrites.
She's like, you guys are sitting here saying she's worthless, her
life is meaningless because she doesn't have kids and you're
you're like, she's not in. So they said in the other
episode that like, my aunt's not my mom was like, don't be a
disappointment. Like Herman, she's not allowed
to come to worship ceremonies. Your grandparents don't accept
her. But they'll take her money,
though. Yeah, they'll take her money.
They'll borrow money between. They treat her like family when
it comes to money. She's like, suddenly it's fine
now. So you don't have.
How nice of her to even loan them money.
Like I would be like how like generous of that aunt to even
loan them money 'cause I would have been like no screw you, you
ousted me. I don't know this for sure.
I'm I agree. I think that's a very American
view. But I think in Thailand it's
different because especially when like, you know, Sasha as an
adult is like I send my mother money.
Still. I think there's more of a money
exchange between family member kind of thing.
I don't know for sure, but I get the sense conditionally that's
fair. OK, I want to keep talking about
the men and Prowl scene because I think actually I just want to
talk about the see go, go, go, go.
No, I was just like in the beginning I was like, I guess
Min never told Prowl not to tell her family she was a lesbian.
Well, that she liked women and Prowl's like you can call that
whatever you want, but I like women.
But it was the perfect way for Prowl to see first hand how her
family reacts to this. And just, like, understand a
little bit about why Min is doing what she's doing.
Oh, yeah, that is exactly what I wanted to talk about.
So I'm glad you brought that up because I, I want to talk about
the C plot in context of that because that's a really good,
that's a good point that you're bringing up.
So the C plot to me is not, it's not a typical compact story.
So we kind of talked about in our last girl of episode where
like on the surface it seems like the typical compact where
it's like an out queer person is dating a, you know, compact
person who's, you know, it's in the closet for a bit and there's
friction there, but that's like, yes, that's what's happening
with. It's so much more complicated
than that because it's an oversimplification.
I think that what this episode did is it really brought back
the fact that proud men have an age gap.
It doesn't look like it, but they do.
There is an age gap. This isn't blank.
It's not a blank. The series age gap for a whole
ass of a human being age wise is in between them.
That's not what's happening here.
But they do. They do have an age gap.
You broke me. It's not blank.
OK, but there is an age gap and it's important in the context of
the compound plot line because Prow is like Gen.
ZI, like young Gen. ZI would think.
And she grew up in a time when queerness, it was normalized.
Proud, never had to be in the closet ever, because she grew up
in a time where it was like way more accepted.
I mean, it's not perfect, I know that, but it's like more
accepted than it's ever been. Versus Min.
Min is probably more millennial aged maybe or older Gen.
Z or something, I don't know. Probably keeps calling herself
Gen. Z.
But then Min's like, how old is she supposed to be?
Like 25? I'm like, aren't you Gen.
Z then. He's not Gen.
Z right now, but like, sure, they're they're implying that
men is a millennial, but I don't think that's true.
But either way, men because of their age gap, men grew up in a
time where where queerness was being normalized.
She's in the transition age. OK, so Quinn has men has
experienced homophobia more so in society than there is now.
And she saw the change. OK, and then men's family, OK
grew up when it wasn't normal, when it wasn't normalized, OK,
Cuz like men's family consists of her mother, father and
grandparents. So we're dealing with
generations, OK, and their acceptance and non acceptance of
queerness. OK, That prow is missing because
prow was like, I only care about you and me and men's like the
world is not just you and me. Cuz again, prow is young.
Young people are always like Romeo and Juliet.
It's US against the world. It's like, no, there's like
there's politics involved here. There are other people like it's
not just us. It's not us the series, there's
other girls. But anyway, so OK.
And I think that the writers of girls are trying to harp on the
the age gap this and remind us not harp, but remind us there's
an age gap because Prim kept saying it.
She's like your young girlfriend, your puppy
girlfriend. She kept pointing out the fact
that proud was young. Proud was younger than men,
Proud was younger than men. That's what that dialogue is
meant to do be like she's so their perceptions of this is
different. So then I think it was really
great that Min took her home because I think Min is like,
we're not seeing eye to eye. You need to see this for
yourself to really understand where I'm coming from.
So then she brings her home. OK.
And then they have that conversation, right, where all
the homophobia comes out and the uncle asks, Prow, are you a
tomboy? And I think that the translation
was deliberate there because I remember from Gap, not GAP,
sorry, Blank, that term came out.
Remember UE when she was like, you're a tomboy, right?
Whatever that term is is like an antiquated term that's like more
derogatory for queer people. It's not like remember everybody
else in Blossom, somebody in Blossom would never say that,
OK? Gen.
Z would never say that. Millennials won't say that.
They'll be like, are you sapphic?
Are you into women? It's different language, right?
Because that's not we don't say shit like that, but.
And so Prow gets asked that question.
I think that is the most jarring thing out of anything is the
question she gets asked. She's like, that's what she
says, call it whatever you want. Let's not a term anybody uses
anymore. So it shows her how conservative
outdated their thinking is. Like that hits Prow in the face
more than anything else that was going on there.
The fact that she got called that very antiquated term.
And if you look at Prow, cuz like for me, for my
understanding that the word they're using in Thai is
implying essentially a woman who lives like a man, not trans but
mean embodies the male role in a queer relationship.
Look at Proud when Proud showed up to the dinner table.
Does she look like she's embodying A masculine role?
She's wearing a pink shirt with lipstick.
She looks very feminine. So like the fact that she's
getting asked that tells Proud a lot about this family and what
men goes through, I think. It's and I think it was really
good for her to see it first hand because I don't think
because she's not been in this type of environment.
No. There's no way for her to
understand that. Like, yeah, she can be like,
well, yeah, I get that your parent, you don't want to, like,
disappoint your parents or like be ousted by your family.
But it's just it's theoretical and hypothetical for her because
she has no context for it. 100 percent, 100%, yeah.
And it's not Prow's fault or anything.
And so I think it was important not just for proud to see it,
but for proud to experience it because by getting that
question, she's experiencing first hand what men experiences.
So it's not just watching men. It's she gets asked that
question and she's like, whoa, OK, this is what you're dealing
with. OK, That took me off guard and I
thought I understood. Now I get it.
I have experienced this first
hand. And I wonder if that's going to
have her be more understanding in the closetedness of the
relationship because Prow, we have that scene in the bedroom
where Prow is now once again agreeing to stay closeted with
this relationship and take it slow again.
But not, again, her issue was like, you're not being clear
with me at all. And so Min was being very clear
in that conversation to be like, it's not that I don't want to
hold your hand in public. It's not that I don't want to be
because that's what proud was worried about.
She's like, why can't we just be like every other couple?
Why, why do you, why do you not want that Min?
Why do you not want that Min? I want the status of being a
girlfriend. I want people to know.
And so Min clears it up. She's like, it's not that I
don't want that. Why wouldn't I want that?
You're great. It's not that I don't want to do
these things. It's just that I have these
other people in my life that are not accepting of that.
So I can't come out and do that right now.
I need to like work on like this is has to be slow because of the
other people in my life that are attached to me.
And she tells that flat out to proud.
She's like, are you OK with that?
That's my situation and prouds like OK, so like I again, I feel
like this is a young thinking versus like older thinking kind
of thing. It's not wrong or bad or
anything. I personally have been in this,
this this situation before, like like in college.
So my one, one of my college girlfriends and I went through
this, OK, what men and prow are going through basically where
the girl I was dating like had a very homophobic family.
We live in the South, OK, South of the red states in America, if
you know what that means. Very homophobic family.
And basically we devised this whole thing to like, get her out
of there and like, come live with me in this whole thing.
And at the very end of it, because she's telling me she's
unhappy. And like at the very end she
said, no, I can't give up my family.
And then, like, we broke up and like, went our separate ways.
I'm like, at the time I didn't understand.
I was like 1920 Prow's age. I was Prow's age and I didn't
understand. I was proud in this scenario and
I didn't fully understand. I was like, you're saying you're
unhappy, you want to be out, you want to be free.
What's the problem? And then years down the road,
OK, my ex now is like has their family still like a decade later
and is now an out Trans man has the family still.
So like Min isn't wrong in this scenario for being like, you're
asking me to give up my whole family just to like be myself,
basically be be out to everybody else.
That's a huge cost. And not everybody wants to make
that cold Turkey cut never see them again thing.
Sometimes it takes time to get them to accept you.
Sometimes they'll never accept you, but sometimes they will,
even though it seems like the odds are very much stacked
against you. My ex is a good example of that.
Like, you know, so now now that I'm later on, I'm like men's
age, I can see this for what it is and be more empathetic
towards men. But I understand where proud is
coming from because proud doesn't have a life experience
to understand that really. And Prow it it to men's point
doesn't have the familial baggage that she does.
Like, I don't know, we don't really know what the
relationship with the sister is really truly like.
But it doesn't seem like sister's breathing down her
throat all the time because like sister didn't stand up for Prow
when the husband was hitting on her or whatever.
So like, it doesn't seem like it, you know what I mean?
So. Yeah.
Prow is like, what's more, I'm young.
What's what's her conversation with Boom, her friend, the
friends like we're young. Why should we be uncertain?
We should just be who the fuck we are?
We should be authentic. We should just be out.
And that's a very young person, like limited life experience
kind of thinking where it's like you're coming out of, you know,
adolescence and childhood where it's reinforced that everything
is about you because everything revolves around you because you
don't have rights and people have to take care of you.
And then once you're an adult where you have legal autonomy,
you have to understand that you exist in the context of society
and the world, and it's not just about you anymore.
And so like, I think this episode was very much trying to
emphasize like they're at different life stages.
And so the question is, can they make it work or can't they?
Like, is that like a, is that a big boundary?
The ideologies they have like in their different periods of life,
you know what I mean? And what I like about this is
that it goes to show you that like if you want a relationship
to work long term, you have to learn how to compromise.
Like you have to as somebody who is in a long term relationship.
Like me and my wife have been together 10 years.
It'll be 8 years later on this month.
We've been married. You have to learn to compromise.
It's the only way it's going to work like in long term
relationships with in relationships with human beings.
If you want them to last more than a few days, you have to
compromise. Like you're not going to get
everything you want and everything you need all the
time. You have to meet the other
person where they're at. And so I think they're
demonstrating with Min and proud that they are capable of doing
that because the conversation in the bedroom was that they were
like, this is where I'm at, can you meet me where I'm at?
They both were saying that like it was a very adult, emotionally
intelligent, like long term relationship type of
conversation that they were having.
Because Min has been in a long term relationship, she knows
what that's like. And so yeah, I like that about
the C plot was evolved, is evolving in ways I did not
expect the C plot to evolve in. And I really, again, there's a
social commentary plot, but I really like that about it.
As somebody who's been in these experiences, I was like this
felt very real and very relatable from like both points
of views. That's very fair.
And I like that you enlightened us on that because that is
something that I feel like people will easily, like, forget
about. Like, yeah, they have an age
gap. We're so used to seeing that.
But like, what does that really mean?
Yeah, yeah, they, they like definitely they were with Min
Prow and the parent and the family.
They were definitely making a comment on generations and how
generations view queer relationships.
Like, yeah, it's legal now in Thailand, but not everybody's
accepting. Just because something's legal
doesn't mean everybody accepts it because they didn't grow.
You know, her parents, her grandparents did not grow up in
times when it was legal and and therefore normalized, you know,
so their outlook's very different.
So. And here's the and, and like,
there already is somebody in Min's family that is queer.
And like, I, I think it was good for Proud to also witness how
they talk about the, the queer person who exists in the family
now who's out and the way they talk about her.
You know, Simon's like, This is why I'm not saying anything like
they're crazy, like they, they're going to need some time.
They, they know a queer person and they're still assholes.
You know, though. And the way that they talked, it
seems like they already know this about men as well.
They sure do, but they're not going to address it.
Notice they're not directly talking about it, because if
they they address it, then it's real.
Actually, if you go back in one of the episodes, Min is, there's
a, there's a scene where Min's alone with her mom.
I think the mom flat out asks Min, oh, are you gay now?
And like, Min does not answer it does not answer the question.
She's just like, God damn it, I can't get this ramen packet
open. What the hell?
That's true. Does not answer the fucking
question Mom asks, but nobody else.
They're beating around the Bush. I think they're all suspicious.
I think uncle puts it together and that's why he's like, we're
not going to have any heirs in this family to carry on the
family line, which again, you're middle class at best, like.
I think mom is the most accepting, which is why she's
the one to ask her directly about it.
I don't know if accepting's the right word, but like mom is like
the most is going to be the most nurturing.
But again, mom still does not stand up to the rest of the
family. Like but like, why is it on mom?
Everybody should be, you know. Anyway, why is it always on the
women to fix everything? I just mean, like, I think yeah,
she's just doesn't want to. She wouldn't say it in front of
people, but like behind closed doors when it's just the two of
them, like she would be more open to her.
Potentially, Yeah, actually. Oh, yeah.
C plot got real interesting this episode.
All right, Anything you'd like to talk about, Prowerman?
No, I think that's all I had for them.
All right, is there anything else you want to talk about Prim
and Bambi the a plot before we like?
No, the only note I had for them was that Prim is not blind or
stupid. Is just the worst hair is just
the worst. Oh God, she's the worst.
Also Hurst. What?
Why would you OK when they're Oh my God, I'm sorry.
I just have to when they're when they're in the club.
Hey, you know Crystal serenaded in the room and Bambi texts her
text me when he get home. So then Prim's like I'll take a
photo. Why is Arie in the photo?
Prim OK, I. I have a question because why is
she fully in that photo then? But then she's randomly cropped
out on Bambi's phone? Did Prim.
Crop her out. Yeah, like did, but like, not
effectively, because like she wanted.
Him to be jealous. I think she wants Bambi to be
jealous. I agree with you.
I think she's baiting Bambi. Do you think Prim, I think
Prim's upset, Loki, that Bambi had a girlfriend when they broke
up and has not told her? You think Prim's like upset
about that? Oh yeah, probably right.
I think she's a little upset about that.
And it's like, again, not going to confront it.
So she's doing stupid shit maybe.
Yeah, I'll be like I can get another girl too.
I can get many at my SY. Keep employing people who are in
love with me also. OK, sorry for the part.
I like how this episode essentially opens with Lady Bird
hiring more queer women 'cause they were they didn't have
enough. So they're like, we hired Arie
and also Bipors here. So many queer.
It's just queer women that work in this fucking studio.
We need more. We don't have enough.
This makes me. Laugh.
I love that bipor is there 'cause.
Now we love that Bipor is there. This is really how cute.
I forgot. Yes, no, she's just adorable.
And I forgot to say this earlier, I just love the scene
where her and Goria are bonding over that.
The fact that they liked someone who's older than them in school,
that was just so adorable. She's like.
That sounds familiar. I like, I like when Perma's
introducing her and she's like, you can scold her, it's fine.
And then she's like, hi everyone, you can scold me, but
be real nice about it because my heart's like a little bit and
she's just a little bit of heart.
So cute. Like, how could you be mad at
her? She's so cute.
She's the cutest thing. She's the cutest thing.
I love her so much. I love her so much, my boy.
I love you to death. OK, All right, so the B plot,
which is the Sasha Goria plot, let's say that was that was the
plot this episode. Couple of things we learned from
this episode that I think were interesting.
Sticking with Bipor for a second, when Bipor goes and
talks to Sasha and is like basically apologizing for the
past and then it gets real cute and is like maybe don't smile at
women because they'll fall in love with you.
In that conversation she says if you have a girlfriend, don't
smile at other, implying that Sasha was probably dating
Crystal at the time that whole thing went down.
So that's interesting. So wonder if we'll get more of
that later with Crystal. Interesting.
And the next episode. So that was interesting.
So I've had a girlfriend at the time, which again puts more
context into the whole like this was A1 sided crush because Tasha
girlfriend and anyway, Bipor is a baby.
She doesn't know what's going on.
But but look at the emotional intelligence of Bipor to be
like, I'm sorry, like this was all on me and I realize that
now. I'm sorry.
Yeah, sometimes all the feelings are just in our head and not how
the other person's actually like coming on.
Yeah, and like when feelings are involved, it's not always.
It's not easy to see that sometimes.
OK, actually, that's an amazing segue to something.
I'm reading a book right now called Bury Our Bones in the
Midnight Soil, which is written by VE Schwab, who wrote the
short story that inspired Frisco.
And this is a lesbian vampire story about toxic relationships.
OK, and I got to this part. I'm in the part of the book
where they're one of the characters is like explaining in
graphic detail the toxic fucking toxic relationship she was in
for centuries. OK, Because vampires and some of
those interesting and relevant to girls.
So why does she stay? Meaning, why does she stay in
the toxic relationship? That's like asking why stay
inside a house on fire. Easy to say when you're standing
on the street, a safe distance from the flames.
Harder when you are still inside, convinced you can douse
the blaze before it spreads. Or rushing room to room trying
to say what you love before it burns.
So that's beautiful. The point is, like, we can sit
here and judge these characters all we want because we're on the
street watching the house fire. We are not in the house trying
to save the shit we love and trying to, you know, throw water
on it. Yeah.
I just thought that was relevant.
Kind of goes back to the again. It's easier to be on the outside
like with Prim giving advice and then not taking it herself
because she's involved in it. A. 100% or the other side of
that too is it's very easy as Prim to look at this the the
Sasha by poor situation and be very biased in how we look at
that because we're emotionally attached to our sister and not
look at Sasha objectively and be like Sasha.
I had a girlfriend at the time. I was being nice.
You know you're nice to all your Co workers, you're nice.
Prim, same thing again. Prim sees herself and Sasha and
hates it. That's what it is.
That's why she hates her so much.
All right, OK, so Sasha, Goria. I love them.
Can I just. I just love them.
I just love them so much. I love them so much.
I love the way Goria was completely emotionally unguarded
with Sasha for most of this episode.
Like, she comes in when Sasha's drunk off her ass in the
beginning of the episode and, like, gets her to the photo
shoot. First of all, I love the
conversation where she's like, Sasha, we got to go, like, what?
She's like, what is this? Did you bathe in whine?
Like, what happened to you? And Sasha's like, can you please
cancel it? Just, it doesn't matter why?
Just cancel it. I am not up for this.
And then Sasha's like, Gory's like, we can't cancel this.
If you cancel it, all the crew get fucked over.
Like, yeah, I love that line. I thought you'd appreciate that
line. Yeah, no, I love that.
I was like, yeah, there's a lot more people.
There's budget, first of all, and then there's all these
people who are showing up right now who are there before you
because their call times are earlier.
They're already there, like setting their shut up.
They're. Already there.
Yeah, they have. They get treated less well than
you do. And then to just be like, oh, we
have to extend production now, which they're a lot of these
jobs are freelance where they go from job to job.
So now that that's pushing another job back, like this is
literally screwing over so many people.
Right. So don't get your ass up.
I love. That Corey is not having that
she's like, yeah, we're going like, no, she's like go wash the
wine off of you. We're leaving but later then we
go through the photo shoot, OK. And they're making eyes at one
point because we can't stop flirting ever.
And then when the photo shoots like over or like that part is
over and they're setting up the next one rather Sasha's
backstage like laying on the couch and Goria tries to bring
her food. And then Goria asks like why are
why are you so drunk? Like what's wrong?
Like she like she says she notices she's like this is not
normal for you. Like I know you party and shit,
but like this is not normal. Like what's wrong?
And she tries to like engage with Sasha over it in good
faith, not to be an asshole about it.
She's just like I noticed you seem off.
So I appreciate that Goria, like, did that because nobody's
looking out for Sasha because, like, she doesn't have anybody.
Like, Aunt was looking out, like, ends up looking out for
her later. But like, she got home by
herself. Like, she was just by herself by
her room was a wreck. I'm like, what were you doing by
yourself in this apartment? Like there's like tissues
everywhere. There's bottles of wine all over
the place. Like she's not OK.
And so I appreciate that Goria, like, noticed that and was like,
what's wrong? Like, tell me.
But Sasha wouldn't engage with her so.
Then Goria is like, OK, you don't want to talk about this or
whatever. So then she gives her the little
like eye mask to like sleep in between.
That was the fucking cutest thing ever.
And like it's way too cute and sweet that she already had that.
So she like brought it knowing that like thinking she would
need it, which was adorable. I love it.
Goria did that. She like took the time to like
make her a little face mask. It was like so.
Cute. Yeah, she definitely can
anticipate her needs and she's truly on her side.
And yeah, she's just, she's a, she did a great job being her
manager. So like she did, it had to take
a lot for Sasha to be like, no, I actually don't want you to be
my manager anymore. Because like she had to be like,
oh, you're being, you're nagging me like a mother.
Like, OK, I can use that to cut this off right now.
Like that's the only. She's lucky that she got that
opening because she was doing a great job.
No, Gloria was killing it. And that's I think what made it
harder for Sasha, because Sasha puts on that, that facade, you
know that. And Goria knows the facade.
And that's why she's always telling her, like, you put up
fronts. Like I know when you're doing
like, that's what I mean. I, I knew in this episode they
were going to be at the stage where like they knew each other
well enough to be like, you're full of shit right now, but I
don't know why you're pushing this.
And like, Goria just got fed up. Like, but if you notice in that
conversation when like Sasha's trying to fire her, she's at one
point she's holding the mask. And then Goria asked, did I do
something wrong? And Sasha like has to put the
mask down because like, no, Goria did everything right.
And like, here's this tangible proof of like how much Goria
cares and how good she is at taking care of Sasha, which is
Latasha wanted. And then she's like, I have to
give this up because my ex manager's an asshole predator.
And then she like puts the thing.
She can't even hold the thing anymore because it was so sweet
what Goria did. And then she has to like be be
like the diva that everybody thinks she is.
She goes back into that as the you know, the front right, and
at some point Gary gets pissed off enough to where she's like
This is why you don't have friends like this attitude right
here. You're going to cancel this.
The fuck the crew over like This is why people don't like you.
I'm leaving and then she'll leave and like poor Sasha, poor
Sasha, she's like who's already like I feel so alone and like
that was so crushing to like have to hear that from like the
one person who was like a friend and then.
Yeah. What an impossible.
And watching her walk away. Yes, what is she?
And then have the mask still the thing that shows that Goria
cares. Like I feel so bad for some like
poor like poor Sasha, poor Sasha, poor Sasha, poor Sasha.
I just want the best for her. I do want the best for her, but
I think she's gonna have to deal with some angst because Crystal
enters the chat. Mm hmm.
Crystal enters the chat in a huge way and is like Oh my God
this was hilarious first of all. Then we're at the then we go to
Blossom later, which I love and she's up there talking about
women with Crystal. So like these two idiots are
still like, Oh my God, they're funny, They're friends and their
friendship is actually really interesting.
I like their friendship because it shows me that like exes can
be friends and like have nothing between them like anymore.
And like you can be actually be friends with your ex in a
healthy way, not in a prim and Bambi way, but in like an actual
in like an actual healthy way. It's going to get toxic and
because they're going to fight over the same girl.
But like, you can be friends with your ex.
Yeah. So anyway, so they're talking
about women. And then Goria, I love how she's
the center of a town. First of all, she deserves to
be. Goria deserves to be.
She deserves all this. She comes in, and if you notice
when Goria enters the blossom, she's looking up at the balcony
when she first walks in because that's where Sasha's usually
hanging out. So she looks for Sasha
immediately when she enters. And then she comes in and hangs
out with her, like stylist friend.
And then Crystal and Sasha end up having the conversation where
Crystal's like, did you guys break up?
It's actually like, we were never together so we can't break
up. So that's true.
And then it's true. She's like, OK, so the like you
still into her or whatever, don't lie.
I can see it in your fucking eyes.
Crystal says this and then Sasha lies 10 times and she's like, I
believe you now. I was like, because she's like,
I can tell if you're lying to me if you're still into her.
And then Sasha's like, oh, no, I'm.
It was fleeting. I'm not into her anymore.
I'm like, you can't. I feel like I feel like this
whole thing is still set up. I I still I don't yeah, I I
think she sees and she's like, this girl needs to get.
I hope so. Something needs to kick her in
the. Ass So I think it's just her
trying to make her jealous. If I was Crystal, I would also
be into Gloria, so I don't. I mean it could be real like
it's could you? I mean, it could.
Be both. It could be like, well, hey, if
she's not going to go for this, then I'm going for.
It I'm getting it like I'm going to get that.
I mean, OK, so you're OK. So you're of the of the theory
that Crystal is trying to do this because she's looking out
for Sasha? Yeah, either that or like or
like part of it's probably like. Well, OK, if you're going to let
this beautiful woman go, then fine, I will take her.
Someone. Should, but I feel like she does
see through it like because you can't look at her and like see
her her she broke when she asked her this.
Oh yeah. So I I think she knows what if.
Crystal and Bambi are in on this together.
I feel like Bambi would also be like these fucking idiots.
They just want to knock their heads together.
I want my best again. She's the rider die friend.
She's like my best friend needs to be fucking happy and get the
woman of her dreams. Crystal, get in here.
We're going to set this up. It'd be really funny if later
that gets revealed. Bammy's that friend.
That's what I'm saying. Bammy's that friend.
She would do extreme shit just to make you happy.
She would spend all the money in the world.
Just to make that happen too. She's like you're my friend.
Let's burn this bitch to the ground to make you like that's
Bambi. That'd be really funny.
Well, actually that come true. I would love that.
But anyway, regardless, Crystal is like OK, well, if you don't
want that hot hot woman over there, hot redhead.
I want to go get her watch me and then proceeds to serenade
the crowd at blah, which like I where can I go to this gay bar?
Because like you've got like these amazing queer artists that
come in and just do acoustics for free.
You know what I mean? Like any excuse to have Emmy
singing period. That was.
Lovely. Yeah, I think that's really what
it was. I don't blame them.
OK, so then she comes in and starts singing and then uses
that as an excuse to get Goria near her, which I love when
she's like shout out to my, the heroine in my music video.
And it cuts to Goria and her friend.
And I know that Goria's friend is like pushes Goria on stage,
pushes her on stage, that she could have met Sasha, who's also
there. But no, the friend is like, it's
you. And she pushes Goria on stage.
And then they kind of, I don't know, man.
They kind of have a moment where like Goria's kind of like
enchanted, shall we say? Because how could you not be?
Crystal is singing to you. Yeah, How could you not be?
She's singing with you. She gave her the mutt like that.
That was expert level flirting. That's what I'm saying.
And it's irresistible flirting. Go watch us the series.
Just. That's her move.
And it's expert level move.
OK. So like, that's going to develop
in the next episode. So that, like, sets Sasha off on
her binge drinking. It gets worse throughout, like
the fucking whole thing and then by the end, so then we went
already went over the ants saving her, her with Goria.
One thing I want to say about her with Goria when they're in
ants apartment talking is that Goria initiates all of the
physical contact in that scene. If you notice that like Gori is
very unguarded when Sasha's at her like lowest low because she
tells her in that's like be week just for a day.
So she knows all the fronts that Sasha puts up to like make
herself seem like she's invincible, like she's powerful.
Like no one can say no to me. Like like she said to her like
other friend, like Sasha said to her friend in like 1 of the
episodes. Gosh, it's like Gory knows
that's all like pretend. And so she's telling her like
you don't have to pretend right now.
Like I'm I'm literally here just for you.
Like cries, just cry today. Be weak just for today.
And like, we'll pick things up and be strong tomorrow.
But like you deserve to grieve and feel whatever you're
feeling. And during that, like Goria does
things where she like touches Sasha's shoulder.
She like wipes her tears. Goria is the one that pulls
Sasha into a hug. Like, Goria does all of that,
like emotional support stuff that Sasha needs.
And like, that alone speaks volumes.
But then in that conversation, she also says the words you're
like, you're not alone. It's like, I feel like that was
a very validating scene for Sasha.
And like Goria, like both of them, you know what I mean?
Yeah, it's just shows how closer, how much closer they're
getting that Goria is the one who's willing to initiate it.
Yeah, right. It says a lot about work,
Goria's headspace, like you said.
Yeah, she was, as she was emotionally unguarded when Sasha
was very emotionally unguarded and was like, it's OK to stay
unguarded with me, with me right now, right?
Which is monumental. And then you get to the very end
of the episode where they're at Goria's place on the balcony, I
think is where they are. And they're just like chilling
and having beer and celebrating the win.
And that's when Goria's like social justice warrior side
comes out and she's like, that shit fires me up.
And like, it's so funny. She's like, she's like, I'm
fighting the man and that kind of stuff.
Like I love, I do not love Goria.
Gori's fucking cool as shit. I love her.
She's so great. But also like in that scene,
she's the one who invites my God, Sasha.
Sorry, momentary lapse in names. It's dairy.
Forget Sasha 's name, she's the one who invites her to sleep
over. And this time Sasha's like no.
And she like, she kind of wants to do it right, I feel like.
And she's like, sometimes just having a beer and talking is
good enough and like doesn't stay over.
And I just love that for her because she's like, I want this
to be real, not just like a typical thing that she does,
which is just sleeping with someone at night.
So it shows that Corey is willing to have this
relationship and so is Shasha because she does.
She wants to. This is the first time she
really wants to do it right. It's it's very indicative of
many things. And you're absolutely correct.
So in that conversation, Gloria basically shows her hand, which
Goria doesn't do. Like consciously she does, but
she doesn't mean to. She willingly shows her hand in
multiple ways. So Sasha like when it starts,
when Sasha like does the let me touch your mouth thing And then
Goria, what does Goria do? Goria just like walks away,
which was weird since Sasha's like OK, I guess I shouldn't
have done that. Whatever.
And she, like, looks out. And then Goria comes back with a
T-shirt. I remember Sasha asked her for
it. And she's like, here I got the
thing showing that, like, like, I remembered this thing that you
asked me to do and I, like, did it right.
So showing you she cares then was so smooth as fuck where
she's like, I mean, you have clothes, you might as well stay
over. Yeah, smooth as fuck.
And Sasha's like, OK, so you're the one asking me to stay over
now. And then Gloria says like, why
pretend admitting that? Like every time she's like most
of the time when she says no and she's putting up front, she's
pretending she doesn't want to be with Sasha.
But so that was revealed. And that's when if you lingers
on Sasha and like clicks for her, she's like, this is not one
sided because like the entire time for Sasha, she's like
Angora in a way. They're both like, is this one
sided or it like, are you using me and I'm using you or is this
real? And so for Sasha it clicks.
Oh, this is not one sided like and to your point, then she does
the thing where she's like she first of all, then she goes to
kiss her and Gory is the one that leans into the most to like
make the kiss happen. So it's mutual.
And then is the one, to your point, who's like she says, I
want to stay over. I do, but I think not tonight.
She's like, I think tonight needs to end.
Like this. This feels right is what she
says. This feels right that if we
don't and I just kiss you and then she like is like maybe some
other time and like goes home and then it lingers on Goria.
And so like Goria kind of feels, I feel like Goria feels a little
rejected because she put herself out there finally with Sasha and
is like and so but like so I feel like some of what Sasha is
saying might get missed because Gori is being might be a little
triggered by all the rejection in her life because she finally
put herself out there and like kind of got rejected in a way.
And so I feel like that's going to play into the next episode a
little bit. But I am, I'm to your point, I'm
very proud of Sasha because Sasha, I think was trying to
show like, you mean more to me than just like this is not a
casual thing without saying those words.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
And for girls, whoever is doing the soundtrack, the scoring of
the show, you deserve all the awards because like, that song
that ends on them was utter perfection.
Like oh God, it's so good. Yeah, it was a great song.
All the songs are good but that one was beautiful.
OK I only have one more question about this episode before we I
guess transition to like what's the previews and stuff is.
And now that I'm thinking about this shit, now that we have the
context of Sasha's trauma, where did Wansen get the blackmail
photo from? How did she get that?
And the other episode where she blackmails her, she shows her
the photo was what that dude took.
How'd you get that? How'd you get that?
I think they might have worked together in that episode.
Not episode, but like that time. So like she knew exactly what he
was about to do. So he's.
Older straight up. Yeah, I wonder if she knew then
and got it then and was like, I'll keep this just in case or
if she like is still buddy buddy with him and is like, can I have
that? So that shows you how fucked up
she is that she knew he had it and went and got it.
It had have been that second one because she didn't play it right
away. It took her a little while.
So I think she got to him, even if they weren't like close right
now, she had a way to contact him and was just like, hey, I
need to take someone down. That's fucked up that she knew
that. So the mean meaning, she knew
some fuck shit was going to happen back there.
That's how she got and she got it.
She, I agree with you. I don't think she had it right
away, but she got it pretty quickly because it's like later
there was like 24 hours she had it.
Yeah, that's real fast if she didn't know that existed.
So that's so fucked. Up and the fact that that still
exists. Also that just show you how
gross all these fucking people are.
Oh they're so gross. She deserves to get arrested.
They all need to get arrested. Yeah, expose him.
Right, expose him. I hope he was also getting the
subpoena. Not just once.
Yeah, probably not because the men always get away with it, but
still. Like fuck.
Like God damn. OK, I.
Tried to throw that out there because I was just like,
interesting. You got a hold of this?
Yeah. I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, it's fucked up. All right.
I already jumped into previews, predictions.
All right, start us off what you got.
All right. So I basically summarized each
storyline that we see. Got it.
So the first one and we're seeing is men being told that
she can only have Prim as a friend who's into girls.
And it was Prow saying that. I was proud.
I couldn't tell who was saying that.
Prow, well it's men, was saying it, and then the response is the
line after that is from Prow, who is basically saying the way
things work in queer lady world is whenever there's a new woman,
because everything's incestuous and we're a small community,
when somebody new shows up, they're the hot new item and
everybody has to have them. Interesting.
Do you want to go see all of them or start with that?
Talk about it. No, I'll go.
I'll go through it real quick. Arie still being a home wrecker
and getting in between Prim and Bambi 100%.
Prim still isn't doing anything about Arie's advances and I I
have a whole thing about them, thank God.
That's the one that pisses me. Off so I'm going to skip the
rest about Prim and Bambi and Airy.
And then Shasha is trying to make Gory her exclusive stylist,
which I think is. Code for girlfriend.
It is because Crystal is making moves.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. And then gory at the end is
like, you know, being able to choose is kind of fun.
All right, so which plot line do you want to start with?
Do you want to start with a plot, B plot, or C plot?
Let's do a plot. All right, get in the A plot
perman Bambi and Aries. So my prediction between all the
scenes that we've got of them is that I assume, because what we
didn't talk about is that at the conference thing.
Shit, yeah, we forgot to talk about this.
Let's talk about. This for a while.
Bambi's. Yeah, Bambi's puts her purse
down. We see something fall out and
then later reveals that a bottle of pills also fill out that.
Conveniently, Arie found and put her foot over so Bambi didn't
know that she dropped that. All right, you want me to talk
about the pills? Because I can.
Yes you can. OK, so Bambi has a prescription
for alprazolam or Xanax and basically it's a drug.
She gets 100 milligram tablets and it is used for anxiety,
which is not shocking, which is like I thought she was on worst
drugs to be honest, like more severe drugs than that.
And I was looking into it and I was like, cuz I, for those that
don't know, I am a licensed pharmacist in America.
So this is actually something I know a lot about.
So I was looking at the bottle and I was like, OK, the bottle's
in English because baby just came from overseas.
So I my brain was like, who is prescribing this?
Because I looked it up and in Thailand it's a, it's a second
tier controlled substance, which to my understanding means like
in Thailand specifically, you can only get a 30 day supply of
it at a time. So somebody has to keep
prescribing it. So I was like, OK, well, she's
not, it's in English. Like did she get it overseas?
Can they prescribe English labels in Thailand?
Turns out in Thailand you can get prescriptions like in
English, like on the pill bottle because like there's laws about
like what can be on, on the prescription bottle, like all
kinds of, there's all kinds of stuff that like legally has to
can or cannot be on this thing. So I was like, if you're in
Thailand, it doesn't have to be in the native Thai language.
Like can it be in another language?
Turns out you can't get prescriptions in English.
So it's possible. Baby went to see the therapist
to get her Xanax. That's my thought.
That's what I think is happening.
And then she, I've seen the therapist to get the pills
because apparently you're going to get 30 days of time, which is
different than in America. But during the episode when Arie
takes the bottle, you see her like looking at it and then like
typing on her phone and look shocked.
And I'm like, are you Googling what Xanax is?
Because like, that's not shocking, honestly.
But I think it's the mental health issue part of it because
like that's there's a stigma on there.
Is it and maybe in Thailand there's a stigma for anxiety?
I feel like every human has anxiety.
Is that really maybe in Thailand, maybe that's what this
is and they're like, you have mental.
I was like, of all the things wrong with Bambi, like like
anxiety is like the lowest thing.
You know what I mean? I thought she'd be on worst
drugs like the show that she's more unstable than just having
anxiety. Yeah.
I that was surprising to me. I'm like, this is shocking.
This is actually not shocking. But I'm also wondering where
they're going to go with that because I think my go.
Go go. You go, you go.
I have thought so like my. Read on.
This is that I assume Arie tells Prim about the drugs, which is
now Xanax, and then Prim confronts Bambi about it.
And this is when we get the Bambi scene where she reacts
badly and is lashing out, saying you still believe her.
Like she's proven that she can't be trusted and all that.
And then so like I think that that's how that sequence goes.
And so then, well, now it's not that bad of a drug.
So I don't know what's going on that's.
Where I'm confused. I don't think that's the full
story, to be honest with you. Yeah, because I was like, this
is Xanax. Like this is not a big maybe.
It's just like maybe she gets a hold of like worse drugs because
I feel like Prim finds Bambi after using drugs or maybe like
even right before and Prim like then we get that scene where
like she consoles Bambi and tells her like she will help her
through it. I hope and think what's going
to. I think what happens is Arie
starts going down a Google rabbit hole when it comes to
Bambi. I think she uncovers all the all
the demons and all the skeletons in the closet.
I think she uncovers the accident all the I think she
uncovers all that shit about Bambi which Prim knows about OK
and who knows what else she finds.
And I think that what happens is, is that again, Prim and
Bambi don't talk about their problems.
They don't talk about trauma. So what's what?
The only way those two are going to talk about the trauma is if
somebody else forces them to. So I think Arie is the agent of
chaos that is going to force Prim and Bambi to talk about
Bambi's trauma. I think that's what's going to
happen. It's going to go very badly
because you saw Bambi. So I think that Arie uncovers
all this shit and then tells Prim she might start with the
drugs and be like, you know, I found this, I found this here.
You should give this back to Bambi.
And then Prim's like, oh shit, what is this?
I didn't know my girlfriend was on like meds.
And then maybe Arie let's things slip that she's found in her
Google search or whatever. And so it forces primed and then
fucking talk to Bambi about their fucking problems, right?
And it just goes poorly because they're bad at it.
And like, who knows what else Arie's going to say to her to
have Bambi be like, you still fucking believe her over me?
Because who knows if Bambi's being truthful?
Because Bambi's also not talking about the trauma elephant in the
room. You know what I mean?
Yeah. I just feel like it's going to
expose the fact that these two can't communicate and Aries
going to, like, force them to see the trauma in the room that
they're both ignoring and it's just going to blow up.
And I, I truthfully, I think there's other shit going on with
Bambi that goes beyond anxiety, to be honest with you.
And so there's like one clip where like baby's on the floor,
like clutching her heart and like prims with her.
And so I think that like baby's ended up in the hospital.
I really do. I really think I said it that
way, but she might. Be having a panic attack.
She might be having a panic attack because she doesn't have
her fucking Xanax, because Prim probably has it because Arie
probably gave it to her, you know?
So who knows. I feel like they're going to
implode and like probably break up in the next couple of
episodes and like, because they have, I think we're going to get
to the part where they're going to.
I think the way they're pacing shit is they're like, OK, the B
plots getting real cute. All right.
The B plot is going to, I think by episode 10, Goria and Sasha
will be dating for real. And so again, I think they're
paste that on purpose because they'd be like they're like Prim
and Bambi are going to implode. Like around now we're getting
into Act 3, so we just ended Act 2.
We're going into act three. I think in act three they
implode because they have to fuck a deal with the trauma and
it's not going to go well because they're both horrible at
talking about you and you have Airy, who's the one intervening
who is not in good faith doing this right?
Aries trying to get Prim and Prim is ignoring the fact that
this person is in willfully ignoring the fact that this
person is into her. And like, and based on the
conversation, like she's not believing Bambi.
Like, you know, it's like, yeah, they're going to implode.
Like I feel like that's what that's heading because they have
to because nothing in their relationship has changed since
the first round of dating other than Bambi has a bunch of
fucking trauma now. And Prim is in a position where
she can hire women, surround herself with women who are into
her and pretend like they're not.
That's the only thing that's actually changed in their
relationship. So their relationship has to
have some change. And I think this is going to be
it. I think it's going to be a big
focus of like the end of Lovic act.
I just, I hope there's more going on and I hope that they
don't just go with, oh, anxiety is really bad.
Like how? Like, no, there's nothing wrong
with you. You can overcome this.
I don't, I really don't think that's what it is.
I really think that it's just going to be like, it's a little
thing that's going to force Prim and Bambi to talk about Z's
death, right? Because why does Bambi have
anxiety? Is perm going to ask her?
Why do you have anxiety? Or like what?
Like, you know, like why? Because then that forces baby to
talk about the trauma, right, You know what I mean?
I feel like it's just going to be a catalyst to get to the
trauma. The thing we're not fucking
talking about. I don't I think, because
remember, anxiety is the symptom, not the problem.
Problem is the trauma. What I'm dealing with.
We have to get to the fucking trauma.
So like, this is going to be, we're going to have to drag
these two idiots into therapy somehow.
And like, this is the thing that's going to kind of get them
close to that. I think.
I don't think it's going to be stigmatizing anxiety.
I think it's just going to be like, it's going to open the
door to be like, what's behind the anxiety door?
Oh, death. I think we have to get to the
death. Sorry, the way you said that.
Oh, it's death. It's true.
We have to get to the death.
We have to talk about the fucking trauma, and we have to
talk about the fact that Premius gassed me.
Fucking Bambi. Seriously, that's awful.
Seriously, it's awful. Kim Pram keeps doing it.
So I'm very curious to see what this fight is where Bambi is so
worked up and she's like saying that you believe those two faced
motherfucker and not me. I can't wait for that fight
because they suck at communicating.
I just I'm very curious what the rest of that is about.
But yeah, I think they're about to implode.
I think they're going to implode because the other plot, I mean
the other the C plot might be slightly imploding but like the
the A plots, I'm going to implode because they have to
change and they will not. We've they've shown us for 8
episodes. They will not do it on their
own. Some kind of external
intervention has to happen for them to deal with their shit.
You're not wrong. I'm not wrong.
So I think that's the A plot. The A plot's going to implode
thanks to Arie and her fucked up shit.
It's like, but from Arie's point of view, what do you really
think is going to happen here? Do you really think that she's
delusional? Trump's going to choose you
after all this shit. She's definitely delusional.
She has to be either to your point, either she's like on a
revenge mission for Z somehow. Maybe she is.
Maybe she knew Z and is like trying to get revenge on Bambi
or whatever for fucking her, killing her friend in her, you
know, in her brain. Yeah.
But then the badminton thing seemed a little.
It was all weird the way unless she just lies all the time and
it was lying to her friend like you know.
Yeah, 'cause pathological liar. Yeah, maybe she's pathological.
She needs to be therapy. Take them off they all need.
Therapy. But then the the A plot needs
the most therapy, the C plot. I would argue the C plot doesn't
need therapy. I think they're OK 'cause
they're good at talking, they can talk through their problems.
I think they don't need a therapist.
I think they're OK. The B plot could use some
therapy. Shasha needs some therapy the.
A plot for the good of humanity means therapy like they're a
danger to society. The A plot.
Yes, they're a workplace hazard. They're a workplace.
Hazard they're a hazardous to Thailand, so put them and throw
them in therapy. They're they're not OK and
they're going to harm others. OK, so that's the a plot.
Anything else about the A plot, I think that's, I think they're
going to start imploding and that's that's going to be where
this is going. They're going to be like, we can
get through this, we can get through this.
And then they don't unless somebody changes, you can't get
through this together unless the unless like the focus now is
like everybody had that takes a village to get these two idiots
to like get their shit together like what they do with Sasha.
Like everybody gets together and be like y'all need an
intervention. What the fuck?
End up together. I don't want them to end up
together. Oh, I do not want Prim and Bambi
to end up together. It's a shame because when
they're cute, they're very cute. They're they are cute like when
they were hanging out in the bathtub and just like being
cute. Like they're cute but they
should not be together. They need to be friends in my
opinion. They're even if they end up
together, they're, they're going to break up like they can't get
more than 10 years together. And that's that is really set
like. Pushing it.
They're just going to be toxic forever unless they change
anyway. B plot or C plot?
Where would you like to go to next?
Let's just go in alphabetical order B plot.
The B plot's the best 1 though. C plots real fast.
Let's do the C plot because the B plot's the best.
One. Then don't ask me if you are.
I don't know if you had notes. No, no, I said everything I had.
So we're just going. All right, got it.
So in the CC plot, because it's sequentially, the C plot is next
in the thing. So because the implication is
like, OK, so from the from the line from actually C plot was
first where Min was like, I can't have friend, like queer
friends that aren't prim. And then prow answers with like,
well, you know, in queer world, when a new person, new queer
person comes out, everybody wants them because it's a
limited dating pool and like everyone's all excited.
That's the hot new item, right? So that's when you can get the
most women is when you first come out because they all want
you. OK, So I think what that's
implying is again, not the typical compact plot line,
because we now have oil. Who's in the mix?
Who's end of men, which, by the way, that was hilarious at the
club where this woman is hitting on men.
Men doesn't know what's going on and prep for him is actually one
of my favorite prim moments. Print has a shit eating grit on
her face. Yeah, I know what this this
girl's into men and men's like, what do you want to do?
She's like, go to the spa. Anyway, So what are you thinking
that? Yeah, well, you got to phrase it
that way. Yeah.
Anyway, that was hilarious. So so I think this is a really
interesting C plot because basically now Min's in this
position where, you know, her big thing this episode, remember
she goes to get Boom or she goes to get Prow and Boom has her
hand on Prow and Min's like, that's mine.
And she like runs in and is like telling Prow she's like, listen,
you opened up my world, I'm going to open up yours now.
So she says that line. So implying that like in this
plot line, basically Min basically it has her eyes.
She sees color for the first time now that she has the prow
has shown her the way, right? She's looked behind the curtain
and was like, wow, I'll never be the same again, right.
But behind the curtain, there's all these other women.
OK, It's not just prow behind the curtain.
There's a whole host of queer ladies that blossom.
And one of them is now interested in men, somebody
who's of the same age as men, because that's what I got from
that conversation, because they're all kind of working
together in the entertainment industry.
So she's like probably of the age that they are where she's
established in her career making money versus proud who's like
trying to break in, right? They're in different stages of
their lives because that's part of proud and men's like
conflict, right, is that they're not indifferent.
They're not on the same like career level, age range or age
level, that kind of stuff. So here's somebody who is men's
equal for all better intents and purposes, right, who comes in
and is suddenly interested in. So now men is going to be in the
situation where she's like, am I into Proud or did Proud just
show me I'm queer And like, yeah, right.
So then I think Proud was threatened where she's like,
fuck, there's this woman who's your age who's like establishing
a career who can like buy you shit.
And like, I think Proud was going to get more threatened and
be like that. She's hanging out with men kind
of thing. And I think that's maybe where
that line comes from. I think or, or my brain the
first time I read it was like taking in these scenes was like
this. This could be out of context and
they have two lines next to each other that have nothing to do
with each other and like maybe men's talking to her mom and her
mom's like. Prow's not allowed.
Oh yeah, that's. Prim's enough and she's like, I
can only have one queer friend. Like, it could be that.
And they just like put those lines together out of context.
Yeah, you can't see who she's talking to and it kind of.
I think it is prow like, but it could be somebody else like it
could be somebody else because just because of the hair like
because they're somebody's hair. But again, this could always
make sense for. Her family too.
That's what I mean. This could be.
An out of contacts line, but like it's either about prow and
men's really, which I think is more likely, or it's the family.
I don't think they're going to bring the family back again
because we don't really have time to go through the family
again, but could be, but I think it's more so that's, that's
their dilemma where men's going to have to choose like do I Cuz
like what an interesting scenario, what a weird scenario
for her to be in. She's like, do I explore my
sexuality or just like is, am I confident that Prow is it like a
long term partner? You know, cuz she's just like,
this is all new for her, you know?
So like, it's an interesting kind of thing for men to have to
navigate and understandably Prow is going to be like insecure
about it. So that was the C plot, then the
B plot. That's going to be the fun plot.
So I think this is going to be the last episode of the Will
they won't they with Sasha and Goria.
Personally, I think they get together by episode 10 because
there's scenes from the pilot of or the trailer of them being
cute and shit. And I think those were headed
that way because the A plot's going to blow up.
That would make sense. We got to balance the A plot's
going to shine at the end. They're they're going to go
through it. OK?
I feel like that's where this is headed, but OK.
So then the B plot, so what's going on?
The B plot? What's going on?
The B plot is that Crystal's into Goria, OK?
And is going to make that very clear that she's into Goria, OK.
And then Sasha wasn't super clear the last time they were
together. So Gori's going to be in this
position where she has a choice, and Goria's never had a choice
before, OK. Which I think is unique to Goria
because in all of her relationships, it's like she
chooses somebody and they don't choose her.
Or remember when they when like the first time she meets Prim,
she's getting bullied because somebody else's girlfriend was
trying to like, cheat on their girlfriend with like was in
Gori's DMS And Gori's like, I don't encourage this behavior.
Like, your girlfriend is making moves on me.
She's never the sole focus of anybody.
But suddenly Gori is going to be the sole focus of two baddies.
OK. And so I think the whole episode
is gonna be Goria reveling in that.
And you know what, Goria? You deserve it, girl.
Like you deserve it. You deserve it.
I know that Sasha is the love of your life and also mine.
And it's OK that you put her through it for an episode
because you deserve it. You've been through some shit.
She really has. She's been through some shit,
She's been through some shit. So I think that she's going to
have to choose. And Sasha's going to be jealous,
obviously, because they have an emotional connection and they've
been through some stuff together at this point.
And I think she's like, I thought I was making myself
clear, but maybe I was because I think Goria might.
I think Goria felt a little rejected that Sasha didn't take
the invitation because she told Sasha that like, she's like,
nobody can just come to my house.
Like only people who are actually close to me.
Well, I invite in my house and she said to Sasha to like dig at
her one time. She's like, don't you know the
people closest to you are the most dangerous?
They can hurt you. So like basically gory was
saying you're close to me and I feel close to you.
And Sasha was like love that. But I'm going to go.
So I feel like Gory's a little hurt.
And so like here's crystal, right.
And like it's crystal. Like I would you blame gory?
It's like gory. If you want to like fool around
with Crystal for an episode, I won't be mad at you for that.
To be honest. I won't be mad.
You want to test it out, Test it out.
I think that's fine. But I think by the end of that,
I think she's going to choose Sasha.
So I think we're going to have sad girl Sasha for one more
episode. Goria finally being the center
of attention that she deserves to be and getting a choice.
And then yeah, is going to make the choice.
Like they're going to choose each other by the end of the
episode I think is where that's headed personally.
And maybe that's. Plausible.
Maybe you'll get to reveal that like Crystal is like that was my
master plan all along and her and Bambi high 5.
I think it would be like, yeah, that was my master plan, but if
I could get her too, I wouldn't be mad.
I will not say no to making out a hot woman.
That's, you know, if I had to do, I had to make out with her
for you, Sasha, you know what I mean?
I'm such a good friend. I'm such a good friend.
But yeah, I think that that's where that and then I think
they'll be together by the by the end, by the rest of the
episodes, and then like while everybody else is going through
their. So I'm very curious what Min's
going to do. I think that's the plot line I'm
most curious about because I really don't know.
I really can't predict that plot line, which makes it very fun.
But I don't know what Min's going to do.
I and I don't know. Do you have any thoughts about
Min? Is she going to do anything with
oil or is she going to stick it out with Prow?
I don't think so to a question, I don't think she'll do anything
with oil. I think she's going to find
herself in a situation where she doesn't know, not necessarily
how to say no, but like be like, I don't know what to do in this
situation because this is. New.
Yeah, this, this, everything is new for her.
Everything's new. That's their song, that's their
OSD. Yeah, it's all new.
So yeah, I really don't know. I don't know.
I really don't know. She's a wild card.
She's a wild card and then I don't know how Proud's going to
handle this because she's fiery. I.
Feel like proud's going to be very possessive and.
Very jealous and very understandably insecure about
this because she's like, I'm still the hidden girlfriend that
you won't tell people about and then you're going to go hang out
with this girl who's clearly into you.
It's understand. It's more understandable for a
proud to be upset about this than not upset because like,
yeah, she's already like, I don't have the status that I
want. If I had the status, people
would back off. But like, yeah, yeah, I think
that's going to fuel her insecurity, understandably so,
like so. It would be even suck more as if
they got to be like friends and she brought oil around her
family really quickly. Yeah.
You know what else would really suck is if Arie decides to blow
up everybody's lives and like outs men, you know what I mean?
Like blow like fucks up everything, you know what I
mean? If she can't get Prim and she
just goes on this like Bender. Honestly.
She could. She definitely could.
I do not like her, which sucks. Because I love Pang.
Hello. Sizy is doing a great job.
I, I, I don't, I, you know, I don't hate Airy.
She's an agent of Chaos, but I feel like she's going to do a
bunch of damage. Yeah.
It will be like that sometimes. But anyway.
So that's what we got. Episode 8 was really epic.
I hope you enjoyed it too. If we missed anything, leave it
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