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today, Theora? Today we're going to be
discussing why we love the Water the series.
We have just wrapped up the second installment of the Four
Elements Mega series with the Water, and today we're going to
be talking about the series and everything we loved about it.
And I emphasize the series because there will be a book
club episode we'll be publishing fairly soon.
That's everything about the novel because wow, are they
different. They're very different.
So we will be talking about the two pieces of media separately.
Yes. Yes.
Look forward to that. Look forward to that, honestly.
I will say upfront, if you haven't read the novel, go read
the novel, because the novel's really so good.
It's different and it's different.
So you'll get different things out of the novel than you will
from the series. Yeah.
And if you really love the series and you like our content,
just know that we reacted to all of the four, all of the water,
all of the four elements. We're reacting to all of it.
But at this point, we have all of the earth, all of the water.
That is all on our Patreon. So you can check out the link
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Get access to all of that. Select episodes for our
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that looks like. If you want more content, we
also did Why We love the Earth episode, kind of like this and
Book Club of the Earth. So you can check that.
If you don't have time to read it, just check out the book
clubs because I go through basically everything.
You don't have to read it if you don't have time, just say it.
I'm just saying it's. Reading without reading it's.
Reading without reading, I do it all for you and I will be doing
the air book club also, but I want to watch the air first
because I like read the novel of the water 1st and it kind of
like ruined the Series A little bit because I there's not just 9
will not be spoiling the novel in this episode, but there were
so many parts of the novel I was like waiting for and then they
never happened and I was like, no, because they were very funny
and like they just they weren't in the series.
That made me sad. And judging by our comments,
particularly on YouTube, Crimson Studios and others, you guys
were also feeling me when it came to be like, where are these
seeds? So there's one of them that
showed up finally that I will talk about in this episode.
So. I just wonder why the earth was
so close to the book, yet this one is just so different.
I have thoughts about that. So OK, just to upfront, if
you're used to our content, this will not be a scene by scene
breakdown. We're just going to be talking
about all the things we liked about the water.
So having read the novel before going into the series, I know
why it's different. And the reason it's so different
is that the protagonist in this story, both Shamlada and Oppo,
are introverts. And so with introverted
characters, the best form of media in which to really get to
know an introverted character is a book.
Because in a book you are Privy to their inner thoughts because
introverts are more in their head than they are saying things
out loud. So you really get to know Shawn,
Laura and Oppo in the novel because you're in their head
where where they're having the most of the dialogue.
So I knew that going into not that it not that you can't have
introverted characters and like get to know them.
It's just harder on screen. Speaking as an introverted
person, it is harder on screen to get to know an introvert
because the introvert has to say things out loud and that's not
what they want to do. So I knew that they were going
to have to, in the series, create scenarios where Oppo and
Shan Lana were saying things out loud that are normally in their
heads. And so that's just how you have
to do it when you're adapting something on screen for
introverted characters. So like I was like, they're
going to have to change things based on that standpoint, but
then they like went off the rails and really changed so many
things and I don't know why. And it like it make to me, it
made the characters read as different.
It's not bad. There's a one part I don't like
vehemently, but for the most part it's not bad.
It just to me, it changes the characters because it it made
them more like fluffier than they were.
Not that that's bad and it particularly Oppo.
They really changed Oppo's character a lot and just it made
her less serious than she really is.
And that like, so it was they changed the characters and then
they changed some of the family stuff.
And like they, they made a lot of changes.
And I'm not entirely sure why, but to me, I think what they did
by making a lot of these changes is they kept the, and this may
be a North Star thing because now it's just North Star doing
this. It may just be they were trying
to keep the tone of this story in line with the tone of the
earth because the Earth is very like sweepingly romantic and
really sweet because Din and Rose have a 20 year history and
it's like childhood friends to my first love kind of situation.
So it's very like old school romance.
It's like one of the most romantic stories ever written.
And so like the the the show, you really felt that you felt
that warmth and all that kind of stuff.
It's like Hallmark to a story like theirs.
And I feel like they tried to also keep that going with the
water, but the water is a very different story because you have
like the rivals stuff and then you have two intellects falling
in love, which is for the first, like actively falling in love.
Not we have a history already like Din and Rose and we're just
rekindling the history. So but like they kind of kept
the tone the same and it's like I'm like it that changed the
story for me personally. And I get in the vibe from other
people that read the novel. You also feel the same way as
me. And again, to quote Crimson
Studio, not saying it's bad, it's different.
It's just very different. But North Star did some stuff.
I don't like all the changes they made, but I understand why
they had to make changes. Particularly with this story.
I feel like going into the air, it might be more faithful
because a lot of the stuff they changed in here had to do with
Lam also, and it's Lam's story and Lam is extroverted.
So I feel like you're not going to have to change much because,
yeah, she's going to tell you everything.
Like. With Oppo, you, you have to when
you're taking Oppo in the book where you get her thoughts, you
have to change the story. You just to say it out loud kind
of thing for us to get it. That is very true.
Yeah. I I feel like I need to read the
book at this point. It's a very good book.
I, I, I can't like plug enough how good this author is.
Like the four elements is really good.
So I've only read the first two, but I'm very excited to read
more from this author because she does a great job at
characterization and like the whole plot of the water is very
much about the character, the characterization of WADA and
Oppo and how they kind of come together.
This changed it and made it more like situational and stuff and
like which I guess is more of ATV thing.
So which the irony is like the author and all the novels makes
and her writing makes fun of TV tropes and then the TV shows go
and do them. So I wonder if she signed off on
that. I honestly wonder, but anyway.
Or like what was her thoughts while watching it?
You're like, really? Or like did she have a say when
they were doing the script? Because she flat I did.
I if you go if you go to the Earth novel book club, I go into
that in detail about what they did there and how she was like
very much being like, this is ridiculous and romance, not in
romance tropes. And then the show's like, we're
just going to do it. Come on.
Anyway. OK, so we're going to put the
novel aside and just talk about the series.
So in general, personally, I'm just going to start with Nam and
Lada because I in the series, I like the pacing of their story
because this is a slow burn and I love me a slow burn romance
like I'm a hence why Girl Rose, I'm loving Sasha and Goria.
I'm here for the slow burn. I'm here for the slow burn.
I like it and they kept it. It paced it well for a slow burn
romance which is in their story. Yes, they don't have to kiss in
the first episode like some girl loves and that's fine, it's not
them. No, that's not them at all.
No, but it was very nice getting to see just their story evolved
because Lada comes in just trying to deceive her and work
for her brother to like try not to redeem herself, but to like
prove that she's worthy to be in their family because her
father's a piece of shit and so is her half brother.
She's got one brother that's decent at least, but Pat's an
asshole anyway so she's trying to do all that, but then pretty
lady comes in in to play. So like, how do you not fall for
that? And like she doesn't even
realize she's falling for that. And then eventually she does.
OK. But then Lada is like, OK, all
you're saying is true, but Lana falls into her own trap.
And that's said over and over again because this hoe is like,
OK, let me first. It starts with her scoping out
the joint with her best friend. And she's like, let's find what
something wrong with the hotel? And then they're like, nothing
is wrong with this hotel. It's five stars for a reason.
And then she's like, OK, I got to change my plan.
I I have a hypothesis that queerness is genetic in her
family because thin and long, therefore oppo must also be into
women's. I'm going to seduce her now and
then a lot of ends up falling for Nam in the in the process of
being like, well, 5050 shot of her being.
Queer. It must be Gen.
I love that it's it's genetic and friends like what are you
talking about? That conversation is one of my
fucking favorite conversations. It's so funny, like it's
genetic. I'm I have a shot that was
hilarious. One day +2.
Gay equals all gay, which is so fucking funny.
And then, all right. And then, like, later, OK.
And then in the novel, this is not a spoiler.
But like in the show, obviously, like, Lam shows up and then is
like, flirting with every woman who is alive and then like,
including Lada. And then it's like, oh, I'm into
her. And in the novel, Lada thinks to
herself, God, this would have been so much easier if like Mom
was in charge of the hotel because like the mission will be
over in 5 minutes. So.
So my question is, OK, like how does the scenario go down?
A lot of trying to infiltrate the hotel if the other four
elements were like the heiress? Because with Mom, I think it's
over in 5 minutes. And like she would divulge
everything because she was trying to flirt with her by
accident. I feel like.
Dan would be oblivious. Dan would also do the same thing
Fi could. My question of Fi's could Fi sit
still long enough to run a hotel Because she seems like she's
always on the run like she would have she.
Would sell that hotel. In the second I I feel like
she'd have a proxy. Like I feel like a prim would be
working a lot harder because 5 would be off doing whatever and
then we'd just check in and be like, how's it going assistant
And so like lot would be like damn, that's not going to work
because the assistants don't want to charge.
Although I don't know. She was.
No, it wasn't her. I was like one of them was
flirting with mom at the end in the wedding, which that bitch
the way she every 5 minutes, she's like you single girl.
Wasn't it prim? No, I think it was.
I forget their names. It was like the like Lada's
direct boss when she was a receptionist.
It was her Wendy I think was her name.
I think it was Wendy, not Prem Prem was like in charge and then
they swat anyway. I was like God damn it.
Like Mom never turns it off Like so to Lada's point, the
mission's over in 5 minutes if this was Mom.
You just brought up the wedding real quick.
And I know like we'll get into that real quick, but like just
really quickly. I love like the Phi being like,
we'll do it together for the bouquet toss.
And then at the last minute, she just raises her hands like.
Nope, not me. That was really cute.
Yeah, that was cute. The way they rewrote that in the
show, because in the Earth it was like the the next youngest,
like set up their their like elder cousin who's like a year
before them. So like Lam, who's third set set
it up for Nam #2 and then you have #4 spy setting it up for
Lam #3. How the OK.
So then the bouquet becomes this passing of the torch thing.
So Phi's going to get it in the air, but who's going to give it
to her like. Or will she?
And then what's going to happen in the fire?
Is she going to? Hide and be like I don't want
this fucking bouquet at all. Don't try and give this to me.
And then like runs away and then like wakes up and it's like in
the bed with her like like like some like fucking what is that
mafia shit where like the dead horse head and she's like no,
just giving you ideas. Salmon.
If you don't hurry, you already wrote it, but still.
Oh my gosh, that that is a theory if I ever heard one.
It was very, very cute. Yeah, the passing of the torch
and the next time on the floor elements, it's the air.
Yeah, I really love when they do that.
And I love that Lada was the one like, can I choose who gets it?
Yeah, that came. From the novel, which is cute
and. That's cute, and it was a very
interesting way to do that with the ribbons.
Yeah, I don't. I don't.
I'm not familiar with that tradition, and I'm also not
entirely sure why everybody else dropped the ribbons unless Lada
told them in advance, because this was different from the
book. And so I was very confused
watching that because literally everybody let's go of their
ribbons, not just by it was kind of weird.
I thought it wasn't connected to and so she dropped all the ones
that weren't connected to the flowers.
Maybe I don't know. I don't know this tradition so I
thought it was kind. Of no, I don't either.
I've never seen it. I've never seen it, but cute.
Yes. Very yeah.
So I think overall their story was very like Nam and Lotta was
very it was very sweet and romantic.
Like that was the tone that not that it's not the Canon, like
the book is Canon to me, and not that the Canon is not sweet and
romantic. It is, but it has a different
tone to it because it's intellects falling in love
versus the series was very like comparable to the earth.
So I feel like that's just the the brand that the series is
going for. Like the mega series.
They're like this is going to be sweepingly romantic and very
like diabetic inducing the way we're going to go about all of
these stories because they they are very sweet and they're very
like true love conquers all kind of stories like at at if you
were to boil them down very simply.
So I'm not mad at North Star for doing that.
It's just that it did change Oppo's character and Lada
because they like tone them down a little bit.
Like they tone down how serious Oppo really is and how people
misinterpret her because she's so serious and so introverted
and quiet versus like Lada is. They finally like describe her
like correctly at the very last episode where not long, although
mom would probably say this too, but Nam is like you're very
you're like a chili pepper. You're very like small but
fiery. And it's like, yeah, Lada is
very fierce. And like they toned her down a
lot in the series, like just how fucking combative she is.
And it made her like they softened both characters.
I think to go with the like, this is romantic a little bit I
feel like. Lada was more fiery in the
beginning, and then like halfway through it was just like her
family, like drama just got so much to her that she was just
like scared. And she did.
She just didn't seem to be acting like.
Herself after a little while, yeah.
And you can read that as she feels small and like, and then I
don't think that's like an out of character thing.
Because when you start the series, it starts with her
family dinner thing where the dad is being misogynistic and
shit and like reaming at Pat because of the hotel and you see
how small she is in her family dynamics.
So once the family dynamics come back, she gets small again.
That's the impact of her family, which makes the dad's redemption
arc at the end fucked up. And that was not in the book.
And I'm the most mad about that. This is some like reverse with
me shit where they're like, we're going to gaslight you into
being like he's a good guy. No, I do not accept any of that.
That was I redemption arc that at the end that was fucked up.
No, I rebuke that. All I know is I was saying he
was a terrible dude the entire time so he.
Was you can't, you can't out and this maybe it's just a North
Star thing because they produced poisonous love.
Like where they're like. Even if even if parents do
unforgivable shit like blackmail their partner for murder for
years to wrap them in the relationship.
He's your dad and when he's pitiful you need to take care of
him because family like. And lot of that.
Fuck that. No, her mother has no obligation
to that man anymore. The fact that she was taking
care of him pissed me off more than anything.
The. Fact that Lotta asked her to EW.
Like they they went through a legal battle against this man
who was trying to legally get like put her in jail and then
like take care of him because he's pathetic now.
Like, no, no, that was gross. And that was absolutely not in
the novel. Fuck that decision of North
Star. That was fucked.
No, absolutely not. That was it was gross.
And then to be like, then to be like your dad.
And then in that conversation, mom's lot is like, oh, did he
see this front page new like magazine article about how great
I am as a businesswoman? And her mom's, did he say
anything? And she's like, that's how he
is. It means he's proud of you.
But no, it doesn't. No, he's quite literally said he
was not proud of her her entire life.
Right. Like the gaslighting in that
scene where the women are gaslighting themselves to be
like, this is love with men. Like, no, no.
Meanwhile, you have Watt, who's actually a good brother at the
end of the day. It's like, hidden for a while,
but like, he's actually a good brother.
Like, the validation should come from him being like, I'm proud
of you, not the dad who does not deserve this.
Yeah. That was gross.
I was so mad at watching. That was like, what of all the
things you could have changed, why did you change this?
Why this was so unnecessary? Oh, that was gross.
I hated that so much. Yeah, no, I just, I couldn't
believe that Lot is the one who asked her mom to take care of
him when they she literally says that we have someone who can
take care of him. Yes, you guys have money, pay
somebody else. You have no that your mother was
traumatized by this man. This is disgusting to be like go
take care. And I know like culturally
that's a thing in like patriarchy and in Thailand.
We've seen it before. I'm assuming I'm not we are not
Thai. We are not of the culture, but
like, I've seen it in Thai grownups to give me context.
But the author explicitly did not write this in the novel.
And for you to fucking change this, to give this man a
redemption arc to be like, all family is valid is really gross.
That's what makes me mad, that you change the Canon that said,
oh, it's OK to walk away. And then you're like, no, it's
not. It's like, why?
Why did we change this? Yeah, that's what makes me mad.
Yeah, same with the reverse of me.
Reverse with me did the same thing.
Like it was the the point of being like it's OK to walk away
from toxic family members. And then the show was like, no,
what? We can't show that on TV?
We got a all families valid even when they're fucking harmful to
you and try to throw you in jail.
It's like. Like literally physically
abusive. He he held on, he held on a
knife, told her she killed someone, which also this is all
in the show, by the way, told her she killed someone.
Why didn't we put that in there? That was so weird.
I was like, why are we doing this?
Anyway? All right, let's get off of this
because I really, I really hate that so much.
Let's talk about other parents that are great, which is Nom's
dad. Nom's dad is amazing and he
worked so hard to get these two together.
Here's the word yes, he really does.
And he he, he's like, I see you and like he knew who she was,
who Lotta was as well. And so he's like, no, no, you're
just exactly what my daughter needs to stop working too hard.
She needs to still work and like take care of this business, but
she's working a little too hard. She's too focused.
I need her to be in love. So you, I pick you and then him
coming to visit her at work and be like, I'm going to take you
out to. Lunch.
Let's go. Oh my God.
And then at the dinner, he's like, at lunch he's like, call
me dad like Nam does. And she's like.
What she's like. I just started.
Working here. What is going on, Boss?
What? And, you know, entirely.
And that's like a super intimate thing, like the naming somebody
in a way that removes all, like, hierarchy between you.
So the fact she doesn't know what's going on, she's like,
that's a huge thing. You're asking me to do a very
intimate thing. And she's like, what is
happening right now? Oh yeah.
Yeah, and and then like, he still has to get them together
even in the last episode. Like it's his idea to be like
cream. Call Lada and tell her that Nam
resigned. Like OK, get them back together
with. Lying, first of all, yeah,
that's a serious thing. But yeah, no, I do love the dad
because he is just their number one shipper the whole fucking
time. And that is Canon.
And it's really sweet to have a parent that is so supportive
that they're like, I will literally date her for you, Nam,
because you don't know how to date.
You can't human. And she literally is like Nam
give her the flowers. Nah dude he even ordered her
out. He's like can you date her
properly? Come on let's get this going.
I love that. Like I know you have no
experience with this, but come on, let's get going my daughter.
Can't human, so I'm going to human for you because I was in a
relationship. This was really cute and then to
see him in like Fa's relationship together and like
them scheming and just talking about everything, it was just so
cute to see. It's just nice to not.
I hate a parent. It's nice to have a very
supportive and like you can also see like Lada's mom loves her.
Yeah. So it's not that they're like
the four elements is very much like as a, from what I gather,
is very much about family in a good way, like supportive family
surrounding each of the element cousins.
Like their story at the end of the day is about like family
helping them and leaning on family.
So in the water, the water's a little bit different from the
earth in the sense that in the Earth, the cousins are a lot
more involved with supporting Din.
And then in the water canonically and in the series,
it's Nam's dad is he replaces the cousins both in support and
in chaos in the in the show. I mean, in the story he's the
chaotic element, but the cousins do show up, they're just not
there as involved as much. Like Lam is the most involved,
hence her getting the like bouquet by Lada at the end.
She interacts the most with them.
There are more scenes with the cousins in the novel that they
cut unfortunately. But like, I think that there's
filming stuff going on because I imagine towards the end of this
the air started filming. And so like it's harder to get
all of that, especially because like it seems like Dan and Rose
are involved at the beginning of the air.
So it might, there might just be scheduling stuff in the series
honestly, which is why they can't have certain scenes, which
is totally understandable because they're trying to film
like 4 shows and coordinate all these schedules, you know?
Yeah, that's a lot. It's a lot.
And like, I think Ingfa was doing some teaser thing where
before it aired and she was talking about how I think she's
also filming another series right now simultaneously where
she's playing as CEO. Like so like these pictures are
busy like the ones in this in this series.
So I can understand why they would have to sacrifice a lot of
scenes with the cousins and stuff because of scheduling,
because they're these are all popular actors.
And that's kind of like a downside of doing that.
It's just like this guy, I don't even know what the schedule
looks like for these guys. Like it must be crazy hard to
schedule this show. Oh yeah, I can't even imagine
that. And like, this is a thing where
like, everything has to go right?
Because if we lose a filming day, whole schedule's messed.
Up, yeah, 100% yeah, you're fucked.
Yeah. So kudos to continuity with the
actors like. Yeah, kudos to all the crew
working behind the scenes and the talent who's probably
exhausted trying to get all this done.
Seriously. OK, so Speaking of Speaking of
cousins, let's just keep on the train with the cousins, the
weddings, the wedding karaoke scene at the end.
What are your thoughts on that? Oh my gosh, that was hilarious
because the fact that lot of not lot of Nam was like, where are
they the weddings about to happen?
And like they're not here and I'm like, are they just not
going to show up to this wedding?
But no, all of a sudden the lights go out and then they
start singing. Like, of course they have to
make a big production out of it. Although that's why go ahead,
sorry, go ahead. But Nam then joins in.
So like, did she plan it with me?
Although I'm. Like since when condensing?
Yeah, since when condensing that has not been.
This is like it reminded me of watching that because this is
just for the series that they did this.
They I was like, it reminded me of Pluto when my own just starts
serenading me and like, since nothing has shown me canonically
that this woman can sing and then she's serenading
professionally and I was like, this is weird.
But so that took me out. That took me out for a second
because I'm like, since wine can din, the farmers sing.
But it was really cute to see them have fun together as a
group because they're they're they're not in it a lot, the
cousins. So it was really cute to have
them support Nam in their own chaotic way, which was them
interrupting a kiss to like sing.
And then, yeah, Nam gets on stage with them.
So I feel like she knew, but yeah, like maybe she was.
Just nervous because like this she was going to be performing
with them. Yeah, she's like where the.
Fuck are they actually you're supposed to do this?
But all I could think about is like, is this what sleepovers
were like for them growing up? Oh my God, that's a that's a
question. That's a really good question.
What were their cousins sleepovers like?
They had to and then which cousin was the instigator for
like? Performing mom or five like 2
chaotic ones. It had to be them cuz Nam would
never and then dins too much. And then Lam's thigh would just
start fighting over like what they're going to be singing and
just be hilarious. I would like the rehearsal of
this song. You would like what?
The rehearsal part of the song because they had to have sung
it. Before and like rehearsed it.
Oh for sure for sure. I'm also like is this an excuse
to have a a mega OST with all these women singing together?
Cuz I can understand that from a production standpoint.
Yeah, that, that makes the most sense.
But it was very cute. It was cute to see them having
fun because that's, that's, that's what makes the four
elements different as a, as a story and really enjoyable to
watch is just the happy family dynamics that go on in the
story. Because like I said, it's it's
very much about family. But Speaking of family, there is
an elephant in the room with the family stuff that I think at
this point really needs to be addressed.
And that's who is FA because. FA.
Is an OG series character. They invented this character for
the series. This person does not exist in
the novels, OK. And so she first shows up in the
four out in the in Earth as this reporter who's kind of helping
with the human trafficking thing.
She's in the family group chat, group chat.
Apparently. I didn't realize that somebody
saw that caught that online. Good job.
Whoever did, they were like, because when they send the SOS,
she's in the group chat. So I, I, I think we get the
context in the water that they're like setting, they set
her up to be Nam's step sister on her mother's side.
So meaning she's not related to the chaos cousins by blood, but
she's related by marriage through Nam's mother.
That makes sense. I think that's what this is.
I thought someone said that she was a cousin but like.
No, Yeah, no, I think they share the same mother, I think is
what's happening here because if she's a, it doesn't make sense
if she's a cousin, if she's a four, she's part of the elements
it has. To be on the well probably
separated, but like not, yeah, I don't know.
No. It's an OG care.
I think that's what they're talking about because like
there's conversations between FA and Nom what they're talking
about. Remember how mom said this like
and then when she refers to Nam's dad, it's uncle.
So I think that they share a mother because we know because
like in the novel, Nam's mother is kind of involved.
There is no FA. And I think that I have theories
about who FA is supposed to be kind of thing.
So anyway, she's related to them, but not related by the
dads because then she'd be an element kind of thing.
But she seems to be closest to Nam specifically, hence why
she's hanging out with the dad and all that kind of stuff.
So in the series they changed Nam's parents storyline.
So they divorced them in the series.
And I think that's they did that as a cautionary tale for like
Nam being too much of A workaholic and like neglecting
the people you love. And that's why dad is like, Oh
my God, Nam, you got to make it work because like I'm single
now. So I think that was kind of why
they made that change. And then I think the reason FA
exists not exists, but like, maybe actually, I don't know,
they were plotting this whole thing out when they wrote it.
I think the reason she's so prominent in the water, I'll say
that is because Nam is an introvert and in order to
portray her on screen, she has to talk to somebody.
So I think FA as like a family member who's not an element for
Nam to talk to. It makes sense to have FA be
that person because Nam canonically doesn't have time
for human beings unless she is related to you and she loves
you, right? So there's no way this character
is going to divulge their inner thoughts and feelings to just
anybody. It has to be a family member and
the elements are not involved in this story.
And also not involved heavily in this story.
And also, like I just said, booking them would be hard.
So they need a tertiary character for her to talk to.
That's plausible for us to be like, OK, Nam would be tell
them, oh, I like this part. You know what I mean?
It has to be so many Nam trusts. And so like they had to craft a
family member because that would be the only thing that made
sense. So I think that's why I fought
is like this like adjacent family member who's closest to
Nam. And so to me that made sense to
like create this brand new character that like because you
have to get Nam's thoughts out of her head to talk to a human
in the series versus in the novel, there is no FA and say,
but you get Nam's thoughts. And so like you understand where
she's coming from in scenes, but I think that's who FA is
supposed to be. It's like she's exposition for
Nam and she's an excuse for exposition for her to say things
out loud. Exposition So.
I think that makes sense, yeah. For.
Yeah, why she's here. So I think that that's why she
exists because like, yeah, anyway, but like to your point,
then you get to have her interacting with the dad because
the dad is like a lot like his daughter and also like doesn't
have friends and people have talked to and so like to get his
thoughts out loud. You like FA is this FA is this
intermediary between like introverts inner thoughts and
like saying them out loud. So we benefit from seeing it.
I think that's what she's supposed to be.
I think that sounds very like what it was, Yeah.
But yeah, it's also nice to see, like, her weave throughout the
stories, too. I wonder if she'll be involved
in the air. I feel like she has to because
she's a reporter and then mom's woman is a Princess.
And I mean, royal Family Press. Like watch her get this in this
Intel and be like I can't write about it.
Possibly, yeah. I think she's going to be a
through line throughout the entire 4 elements as just again,
like an excuse. She's in it in the in the Earth.
She was like a plot device. She moved the plot along.
I think they're using that character to move the plot or
like get introverts to say things out loud and like the
rest of the characters are not introverts.
So I think she's going to be a plot device.
Yeah, but another cousin moment that I really loved is just from
the very first episode with Lam, like hitting on Lada.
Yeah, because that was just such a fun storyline and just getting
to see them interact together. They're hilarious first of all
and then just making Nam jealous to the point where she's
literally hiding Lada throughout the hotel so Lam can't find her
and just Lam texting her like where is she?
Like, I know she's with you. I like that Lam calls her out.
That's what I like. It's just so very funny.
It's very, very funny. I just, I, I love them, yeah.
OK. I have a question about NOM that
I've seen kind of float around and I have a question.
So like, do you think NOM is on the autism spectrum?
Because I think you can make an argument for this honestly, and
I think it's more apparent if you read the novel, but.
I think you could make an argument for that.
I or she's just very awkward at times.
I mean, no, she's definitely awkward.
She's like she's the most like den.
She's definitely awkward. She's definitely not great with
social situations. No, she's the worst.
Yeah, she doesn't know how. Like especially with the the
flower scene where she just literally was like did not know
how. To talk.
She doesn't really know how to like communicate with Lada,
especially in the beginning. And so like when she was asking
for the roses back and then was like, I'm going to throw them in
the trash. First of all, that was wild.
Be like you're. Just going to waste these
flowers now. And then even when she went to
give her tulips, she's just very awkward and like socially, like
doesn't know how to act. So I could see it there.
She's definitely not that this is a case for the spectrum.
Like like if you can't anyway, let me just get it out.
She shifts her eyes a lot away from like looking directly at
people. So you don't have to have that
to be on the autism spectrum. But like it seems it gives more
of a possibility because she's has trouble just like Coolie
looking into someone's eyes while having conversations.
So I could see that. Yep, what do you?
Also, like things that are kind of lost or maybe harder to pick
up in the store in the series is that she's a very much a
creature of habit and like is like very routine.
And like that's why law does this big deal cuz she comes in
and throw there's a bomb that blows up her routine and she's
very much like obsessed with following rules and like things
like that. So I think there's definitely an
argument to be made that like Nam is like on the autism
spectrum and you can definitely make the argument for that.
I'm not saying we're not psychology, We're not saying she
is, but like you can make the argument.
I think there's evidence. Yeah.
And like the business is her hyper fixation that she's.
Hyper fixating. Yeah, she has a lot of signs,
this is what I'm saying. So I'm just.
Curious if you. Maybe could like saw that too,
that like there's a possibility for that.
Oh yeah, definitely. And if someone is a psychologist
watching this, feel free to do some diagnosis in the comments.
It we're not saying it's real. These are characters.
They're characters. Yeah, exactly so.
It's all theory. Right, they didn't explicitly
say it, but they didn't explicitly not say it either, so
therefore it's fair game for analysis.
But that, yeah, that is very interesting to think about,
yeah. That was really, really
interesting. Something that I thought was
entertaining in the series was that Oppo did a lot more
cosplaying in the series than she did in the novel.
So she cosplays as a SWAT team member, which that was crazy.
And then the flower shop lady was probably the weirdest one.
Or she's cosplaying a flower shop owner.
Yeah. The fucking hotel era to get
Lada to stop on the side of the road that was.
Crazy like what? A gamble that she was gonna stop
on the side is like, what a what if she was?
Just in her head, just driving along and just not.
Looking not show up there. Yeah, that was weird, but like
it was cute to see Oppo have to cosplay stuff.
That's the part I like though. The scenarios were weird,
personally, having read the novel, but I think it was cute
to see her like trying cosplay shit because it's it's Oppo.
All people like the people who's like the person who's like very
much like I stay in my lane. Like you ever had to be a spot
team member and then also a flower shop owner.
So I thought it was cute to see Oppo the character in those
scenarios, especially the flower shop owner.
She was adore like so you just want to hug her in that.
Scene she's, yeah, she has to put her, she has to put herself
out there, right? I.
Want to be able to do that. And that's hard and like you see
it like that nervous little smile when she turns around and
like you realize it's her. It's.
Adorable. That was cute.
Like she's really cute as the flower.
Shop owner. Oh that Yeah.
It was really cute at the SWAT scene though.
Mom, How does mom still have a job?
Because. That's my question.
Breaks a lot of rules this that. Whole thing was the
screenwriters really went off the rails.
That's where a rail start and started for me.
I was like, what are you guys doing?
Yeah, Like, how is that legal? Because, like, The thing is, mom
didn't just set that up with the cousins.
Like there were other police officers involved in that.
Because the way she did it, yeah, she's like, we have this
bag. So somebody had to plant the
bag, illegal evidence in the in the building, and then she had
to send actual police officers to investigate the bag while the
cousins go do their secret mission off.
Like how? Yeah.
How does mom have a job? Like that was crazy because
like, I don't know why they wrote that.
Because mom is set up as like she's really effective and
really good police officer who knows the rules, knows the law
and all that. And then you have mom doing
this. I'm like, that's crazy.
Unless you're setting up something in the air that I
don't know about where she breaks the law to save her
woman, maybe. I don't know.
Don't deny or confirm that in the comments.
I'm just speculating because why would you write that?
That was so weird. But I have no answers but it
was. Entertaining squat uniform.
I will take that. I will take Oscar Toole showing
up for a minute. Yeah.
And I love how they they all were together be like, we're
going to. They're basically trying to
kidnap Lotta. Yes, they were, but then she
escapes already. And so it was all for nothing.
I think that's the funniest part.
Is that they set this. Whole thing up and she wasn't
even there. Because Lada is smart and
everyone fucking forgot that that bitch is fucking strategic
and smart and there's no way she was going to put herself in a
dangerous position willingly because she's fucking smart.
That's why she oppose equal in both an intelligent like that.
Also I feel like was lost in the series that like they are
intellectual equals. That's the point.
And you see them especially like by the end when Lada's running
the hotel, it was like she's working just as hard as Nam was.
And you see the trace like the workaholic traits, like they are
so similar. And then, like, in the
beginning, you see Lada be, like, more playful, more, not
really bratty, but just, like, has less responsibility.
Yeah. And experience because like, she
was never given any responsibility.
She just graduated in college is the thing like she doesn't have
experience professionally because like time wise in her
career? And but like, as the series goes
along and she like, realizes that she can do this when she's
been told her whole life that she can't.
Like she works hard and she proves to oppo that like she can
do this without making mistakes. And like that's I think that's
what solidified to Nam that like this girl is definitely worth it
because she cares about things and when she cares about
something, she puts her whole heart into it.
And I just, I'm very proud of her for the way that she went
about this because like, I respect a lot of her, what she
was doing in the beginning because like not about her
trying to deceive oppo, but like she was just trying to find a
place in her family because her family sucks.
Yes, that cannot be emphasized enough how much her family
fucking sucks. Yes, it really cannot.
It really cannot be. And I just really respect a lot
of for putting in this work. And it shows how determined she
is. And like, that determination is
what drew her, drew Nam to her because that's a trait that she
admires. And like, I don't know what the
word is, but like, she's also determined herself.
So like, yeah, they're just very similar in these aspects.
And I think Nam could see herself in her as well.
And sometimes similarities attract to each other.
Yeah, it just, it just goes to show you like to your point,
they're equals. Like they're equals.
Yeah. And like Roses and Din's
relationship, it's not they're not equals.
It's more so like I'm the older one.
I'm going to take care of the younger one kind of thing and
then like the younger ones, like, well, as your wife, I will
take care of you kind of thing. And like, that's their
situation. It's not like they they are like
they see each other as equals, but there's more of a power
imbalance in their relationship because it's like the classic
romantic trope of like the Prince and the Princess.
That's, you know, they were literal Prince and Princess like
cosplaying as kids. Like that's the dynamic.
It's very different. These two are more modern
equals, I guess. So that's, I mean they're
intellects like they're intellectually equal.
And so it's a little bit different.
And even though there is an age gap, there's an age gap, there's
an experience gap, there's all these like differences, like
they are so similar that it doesn't matter really so.
Yeah, something totally, just not along these lines.
Is that something we see in the first episode is that Abo kept
the Rose from den and Rose's wedding dried in a book.
And I that just means like she was holding on to the idea of
possibly falling in love. So she is, she is a romantic.
Like she does want that because she kept that and that and I
just love that part. She kept it because Rose told
her to. No.
But it is, it is true. That is true.
It's showing you she's not not open to the idea.
She just thought it was very unlikely because look at her
life. Well, yeah, I mean her.
Life is work and like Aqua was fine with.
That she was very Yeah, she was. She was like, but then it's like
as soon as she met Lada she did stop caring about work as much.
Yeah, because Lada's the chaos demon that comes in and blows up
her life, and then life is not the same because she can't see
life the same way when Lada shows up.
So it just shows you the effect that Lada has on her.
And I think it becomes really apparent when we get so
something that they did do in the series that I wasn't
expecting them to do was they went into the special chapters
in the novel, which the earth did not.
The earth just kind of ended where the book ended and did not
go into any special chapters. The water did.
It went into so like the novel in the in the water, just mini
spoiler, it ends like after they get married, it just ends and
then it goes into anything. After them getting married was
all the special chapter stuff they went into all of them,
which is really interesting. My favorite, my favorite one
that they did show was Oppo getting jealous.
And the reason I like that I liked again, this came.
This was actually pretty canonical the way this went
down. And that's the reason I like it
because I like the way Salmon, the author really goes into her
characters. So and this is I think the most
like because it's very revealing of who this is the most oppo
from the novel is this scene. And as I love oppo from the
novel. So in the scene, basically that
guy comes in the art dude, he gets thought alone, they talk
and then oppo gets jealous, right?
And then lotta later calls her out on it and is like you're
acting jealous and notice the way this scene goes down.
It's not a oh, that was cute haha.
And they move on. Oppo is like upset about it.
And then she tells Lotta why she's upset.
She's I'm upset because I can't control this emotion I'm having
and I can't keep myself collected and put together like
I normally have. And I don't want you to think
I'm being like childish and stuff because I'm having this
emotion. Like the conflict was Oppo has a
new emotion and she doesn't. That puts her off balance.
Oppo the most put together like that's who Lotta is.
She throws her off balance. And she's one of those people
who's like super controlled, super serious, and then Lada
comes in and throws that off and she can never get back to
center. And like, that's their dynamic
actually. And like it goes to show you
that that still happens in their relationship even after they've
been married for a while. And oppo's like, I've never felt
is this like she's like, is this jealousy?
I've never felt it before. And like, I can't control it.
And I don't like that I can't control this emotion and like
remain rational because like it's making me irrational and I
don't want to like do rational things around you, you.
And so she, that's why she's avoiding her.
So I love that it's a very oppo reaction to that.
And the way Lada is like super understanding of where noms
coming from because they know each other so fucking well and
they see eye to eye on a lot of things.
So the way Lada could talk her through that, I love that
special chapter so much. And I'm really glad they put
that in there because that is what that is the hallmark of
their relationship. And that is why I love their
relationship so much, because they understand each other like
so well. Like so, so, so well.
It's not just like you're cute, kind of, it's like they are on
the same page, like even that. And I love that she talks.
No, I'm through that. That's one of my favorite
moments between them and I'm so happy they put that in there
'cause like that was such a, that was, that's the oppo.
I love the awkward one who doesn't know and but I love that
she's at the point where she can like communicate that to Lada
because if that happened at the beginning, Nam would never be
able to communicate that, you know what I mean?
So it showed like her growth and the trust that they have and
like, Oh my God, I, I love that scene.
That was one of my favorite oppo moments.
The way she like is like, it's not that I, I just like, I don't
want to be irrational. It's making me feel irrational.
I'm like, I don't like feeling like this.
Yeah. And like.
When she was first trying to like be like, is this jealousy
like she did not know what? She didn't know.
She's like, was that what this is like?
I've never felt it before. And yeah.
So again, that and that goes to show you that because again, I
feel like this gets lost in the series when Lam comes over and
is flirting with Lada, Nam doesn't hide her because she's
jealous. That's actually not why Nam is
doing it. Nam is doing it because she
thinks Lada is a huge troublemaker and she's like, I
don't want you getting involved with my cousin.
That's actually why she does it. And but like, there's an
undercurrent of she's starting to feel things for her.
But like, the show framed it as jealousy, but it's not Because
that proves it was not jealousy, because that's not what Nam was
feeling. That makes sense.
Yes, I know that's why, like having their inner monologues is
so important in this in this story, because things and like
North Star, like they they made changes because they had to, but
the characterization of the characters got very jumbled when
they started doing stuff. And I was like, this is not the
oppo I love and like the introvert that I love and like
the very serious rational person, because like you just
you lose her inner monologue where she's explaining that
she's like, no, I I have to keep I love my cousin and this
troublemaker. It should be nowhere near my
cousin. That's why she did it.
But that can, really. And the reality is that Alam is
also a huge troublemaker and so together seriously just caused
so much trouble. The thing about the four
elements is like everybody has Lam on speed dial to be like,
hey, help me with this illegal shit I found and she drops
everything to come help everybody.
Like the way she's like, hey, Lada's mom and the knife and
Lam's like, I got it. I'll start an investigation
right now. Like is is she?
How much time does she have in her job to be like she?
Doesn't do her job. She does whatever her cousins
need. She's just using her power.
She's always taking freelance jobs from family members.
I'm like on the taxpayer dime. No one's paying her to do this,
you know what I mean? She's a civil servant and
they're just like, can you help investigate this thing for your
family? I'm just, I'm so curious to see
the air because I'm like, what is she doing day-to-day,
honestly? She's always well, I mean like I
know this isn't about the air, but like in the trailer we get
that they her work doesn't even know where she is.
She just literally. I love her, I love what she's
doing, but I you know, I guess that's the elemental nature of
the air. It's anyway, the wind blows like
she's just going anyway. True, but I just I just in the
in the water, just like here's more family members being like
mom, can you investigate something for me and drop
whatever you're actually doing the taxpayers are paying you to
do and just do this. It's just like it makes me laugh
just as a scenario. It's a good thing that we have a
family member in that position because like, there's a lot of
illegal activity, criminals. In these stories.
Like that's just normalized now because like, do they ever
wonder, like, why do we have so much issues like this going on?
Involved with our family? Yeah.
What's going on? Yes.
Maybe you should go to therapy and unpack that.
What do you mean like not and no this is normal, everyone has
police invasions. Not invasions, but like human
has to be involved with the police at some point in their
lives right? Apparently in her family they do
the the weapon family. Apparently they'd be doing those
all right. Other thing that I thought was
weird in the novel, in the in the series, is that all of
Lotta's family stuff was so nefarious.
Like so nefarious. Like Pat was a.
Monster Pat was like the ultimate monster and the
ultimate disappointment in that family.
Like he screwed them all over. Yeah, that was the
screenwriters. I don't know why we had to do
that, but yeah, no, they they literally made him a monster as
a human being in the story. I'm like, I don't unders I don't
understand why we had to go there like that was there was no
resolution to that. That was kind of weird that just
like there's like he is a they. Could they could have given him
the redemption art being like, hey, I'm and like had him
apologize, be like I was trying to get her father's approval
just as much as you were, but I see the error of my way.
Something like that. But no, they went all in on
like, no, he's the monster. He is.
He for some reason is irredeemable, but the dad is
redeemable. The dad sucks.
Man, the dad was awful. Dad.
Sucks. And I'm like that.
I'm so proud of Lada in that scene when she just stands up.
Well, Lada and her mom, because her mom's like, is it because
you have to take care of her? I will take care of her.
Let me handle her. You won't have to worry about us
anymore. And then Lada also like holding
his hand from hitting her mother.
Yes. Like I was so proud of her for
stepping up for both of them. And then we get the knife thing
and like that. And then it gets really fucking
weird. But yeah, no.
Lotta's relationship with her mother is really sweet, and you
just see how, like, the odds are stacked against them in this
family. But they ultimately do their
best to stick together and like, look out for each other in their
own ways given their circumstances.
It's not perfect because her family sucks and so it cannot be
emphasized enough how much her family sucks.
And I say that because then when Lada gets brought into Nam's
family, it's like a fucking breath of fresh air.
You know? Also something.
OK, sorry. Go ahead.
I'm just going to say when Lada and her mom go off the grid.
Oh my God, run. Away from him screenwriter and
then try to open like what AB and B?
Yeah, so invite people to our secret location you're trying to
not be found and yet. You make a social media.
Accounts for your where you live, you live there.
Again, I don't know why they had to change this either.
Because this, it made it. It made it seem like Lada's dumb
and Lada is not dumb. Lada would never be like, let's
set up a business where we're inviting strangers near us when
we're on the run. Lada, the strategist and Nam's
intellectual equal would never do that.
I don't understand why we, because I guess they had to be
like, we have to find a way to get like Nam to find her.
But it's like Mom exists. You don't need to start an
Airbnb company for Mom to like, fine her.
She's proven she's a supreme police officer, detective.
She's gonna find her. That was dumb.
I don't get that decision, but whatever.
I don't know. That was weird.
Something I like that they did keep they OK.
One thing I like and Crimson studios, if you're listening,
you're I hope you're with me on this.
My absolute favorite scene and the whole fucking the story,
like the Mara hole also is the Rose and lava scene at the
wedding and they kept it and I was like they got but the tone
was red different to me. It wasn't as funny, but they
kept this scene. And I love this scene because it
just, again, it goes to show you that nobody understands Nam
except Lotta, including her family members.
Because Rose comes in and she's like, girl, you're going to have
to have the bridal ceremony, meaning the sex is going to
happen. And I was like, yeah, why are
you here, Rose? And Rose is like, listen, I've
met your wife and Din and I, Din and I are concerned that Nam
doesn't know what sex is because she's such a workaholic.
So I'm like I sent Din. Yeah, though they sent to Dan to
go. Talk to Nam and then OK.
But like we never get the scene. I'm so.
Sad is talking to Nam and I wanted the show to do that
because of the book does it. And I was like what the fuck was
Din? Din, You said Din.
Why? Did she say no?
Yes, say. Loudon, don't say din, don't say
din. Like, yeah, I get you.
Din's the one that's married right now.
But like Din. Din you said.
Din I That's why I said. I was like.
Please, please, please give us the reverse of this where Din is
talking to Nam because that had to have been a disaster it.
Had to have been a disaster so. Bad.
I want that scene so badly. I'm really upset.
Write it and then send it to us and you.
Fan fiction of that, because I was like, come on, series,
you've been doing all kinds of weird stuff.
Please give us that. They did not.
But just like, Can you imagine that fucking conversation with
Din? Din tried to start that.
Conversation, first of all. With Din and Nam's like we've
already had sex. What are you doing then?
So no, but like Nam. Lets her like get it all out and
like, try to explain things to her and be like and then at the
very end be like, yeah, girl, we already done.
It Oh, we're good. We're we're they're good.
What the hell are you doing? But seriously, send mom.
Why would you send like the confidence that Rose has in her
wife to be like Din's like Din's got this.
No, she doesn't send Rose Eddie Wimbledon.
No, why would you send Din? But so sad we didn't get the
reverse of that, which is Din trying to have this conversation
with Nam and Nam being like first of all, why are you here?
Also Google exists. I don't need you, Din.
But that was no Din would shut up and be like so Rose told me
to come talk to you, but I'm not going to talk to you.
So if she. Asks I talk to you.
I was like, OK, yeah, I know. Serious fucking Din.
I just would love to see that go down because that had to have
been a disaster to have Din trying and to your point,
initiate the conversation. And I was like, what the hell
are you doing? Oh my gosh, the possibilities
are endless. They're endless and they're all
really fucking funny and I so wish we had that scene.
Oh my God. But I'm glad they gave us at
least the the Rose and loudest part because that was one of my
favorite moments. It reads different, but I'm glad
it exists. And just what the hell was Dan
talking about? I had to be hilarious.
Other thing I like from their wedding that they did in the
series is they did the they have the photos up when net walks in
and you get to see like their couple photos. 1 cute thing they
did that I really love is in one of the photos, it is the
embodiment of when Nam told Lada like I know we work together but
like you're the boss in this relationship.
So they did this cute thing visually where they have one of
the photos is Lada wearing Nam's like tan suit, like her work
outfit, like she's the boss. And then like Nam is in her like
receptionist outfit and she's like got her arm over her.
So I think the embodiment of like she's the boss in the
relationship, which I thought was a really cute touch and they
don't really draw attention to it, but I caught it when I was
watching. I was like, that's really,
really cute because I love that moment between them when Oppa
was like, listen, I know I recognize that there is a power
imbalance between us, but I want you to know in a relationship
there isn't. In fact, you hold more power
over me than I hold over you. And I'm just going to be very
honest about that. So I think it's really cute that
they did that in their photo shoots.
That's. Cute.
Super cute. I love that.
I really love that. I thought that was an adorable
thing they did in the series. That was really cute.
Something I thought was cute is just how much that Lada liked
Chef the chef's food when they went into that meeting.
And like she had to be kept being told not to eat, but I'm
like, the chef wants her to eat it.
Nam, you're supposed to be eating it too.
Well now I'm not professional about it.
She's like, you're supposed to taste it, not consume it.
Wow. I was like, no, man, free food
not broke something other than noodles.
Yeah, which this show had an amazing opportunity to sell
noodles because that was baked into the story and they did not
get a noodle sponsor. Yeah, seriously, seriously.
This was the show. This was the show to sell them
noodles. Where are you, Mama?
Oh my gosh.
All right, you got anything else about why you love the the
water? No, just overall it's really
cute and very cute. Glad to see.
No, I'm fine. Somebody who's a good match for
her and well, I was going to say a lot of get out of her
ridiculousness. That's her family, but she kind
of put herself back in there so. The screenwriters put her back
in there and the screenwriters put her back in there and I will
not forgive them for that. That was that was a beautiful
change that they made in my opinion.
But, and I'm also glad in this story in general, in the water
you we get to know Oppo better because you know the least about
her because she's the most she keeps to herself the most.
So it was nice getting to know her because I really love her.
And I was, I was very glad to spend a lot of focus on her
because introverts deserve love too.
Extroverts are easier to be like, oh, I love mom because
she's so like, and boy, it's very easy to fall for extroverts
or be attached to them on screen.
But like, introverts are harder to get to know on screen and in
life. So I'm glad we got to focus on
her. That's a that's a great point,
Nam. Deserves it, Nam deserves it.
Nam is very sweet and just very interesting character.
Even if she needs her dad to push her into dating that.
Was hilarious all right what is your big gay energy award for
the water I. Didn't I?
Was having trouble figuring this one out.
And then I think I'm going to go with just Nam knowing who Lada
is and trusting her right away. Probably because she's pretty.
I'm going to go with my favorite scene, which is Rose and Lada
talking about sex and then Lada having the ovaries to be like,
don't worry, Rose. She's not just good at work, if
you know what I mean. Meaning like, we've already had
sex. I, I, it's very fine.
Like the fact that she said that took a lot, took a lot of big
energy. And also I like you in the
series, you get the reaction from Rose, who's like happy for
her because that's why she's here.
She's like, listen, girl, I'm worried about you and your
wedding night. You married did Rose anyway, you
married did you shouldn't have been worried about you.
OK, Taylor Swift songs. I have a couple for this.
I'm glad you have a couple. I don't know why I was
struggling with Taylor Swift songs.
I I just came up with mean because all her family is ever
going to be as mean. God, yeah, Lada's family.
Seriously, I have bad blood because it's the enemy is the
lovers thing in the beginning because like baby, now we got
bad blood and I got to fucking watch you like a hawk.
Like it starts off like that and then it transitions from me into
this love and I think it's more explicit towards them.
So you have high Tide came and brought you in because Lada's
name literally means a wave. Like she's the crashing wave
that came into Nam's still like Nam's name means water.
It's like Stillwater. Lada's a wave so chaotic water
so like chaos is the high tide came and brought you in because
she's a wave. And then this love is good.
This love is bad. This love is a life back from
the dead, which is like Nam and Shadda Lada both taught each
other how to live, not just exist through their love, like
and in their good moments, bad moments.
And it's back from like the dead with a lot of back from her
crappy family. And then the monotony of what
her life was. And she didn't realize it until
she had somebody in it that like shook it up, you know?
So to me that's that's them. That was a great song for them.
I agree, but don't worry, we have some listener comments that
add to the Taylor Swift commentary.
Beautiful. I love that.
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All right, and with that, let's move on to our listener
comments. So thank you everybody who
answered our social media posts about why you love the water.
If you're listening to this and you didn't get to participate,
leave it in the comments. Why do you love the water?
Because there are so many reasons and we'd love to hear
from all of you, but we're going to start with our Patreon.
So first we have Zori M who says even though Petrocore is still
my favorite Inglot show, Lada and Nam are my favorite Inglot
pairing. Watching Lada slowly breakdown
the barriers that Nam had and showing a lot of she's worth
more than what her father tells her she is, which is very
beautiful and really shows the growth of both characters.
I couldn't have said it better myself, sorry.
Honestly, you're 100% correct. Yes.
The next is from Mary Elle who says the acting was top notch.
Petrocor was super dramatic which led to bigger display of
emotions but the water was all in the body language and the
micro expressions. I think it's really rewatchable
because I would like to see if I can catch Nam knowing more than
she let on. That's a good point.
That's fair, that does make it rewatchable and I will add to
that. I did.
I thought Charlotte killed it as Lada.
She did. She had some of the tougher
scenes with like the crying and Oh my God she did a great job.
Her facial expressions were very on point like she did a great
job. Loved watching her play Lada.
Next up we have BGR who writes many girl love series are by
necessity about found family because weirdness honestly, but
not the water. In addition to the obvious
cousin connection, Oppo is very close to her half sister FA and
to her father and FA and the father also close enough, though
they're not quote really family. I agree because I think it's by
marriage. Rose also shows up to help but
may take more of a direct part in the air and fire.
There are so many times when APO's family provides the
support she needs for Lada. Her mother is obviously a
critical part of her life. Only when they can escape
together is Lada able to leave. Surprisingly, Lada's brother
Watt provides important support by finding Lada and her mother a
place to stay that has the potential to generate income.
A lot of remains in the, quote, hotel industry by doing so.
Yeah, Yeah, I know. I think that's what they were
going for. I'm with you, BGR, to be like,
yeah, she knows hotels. So like Airbnb, but it doesn't
make any sense because they're on the run.
Yeah. But the issue is that they're.
Trying to hide. Themselves trying to hide, but I
I agreed that I think that is what they were trying to do, but
I don't buy it in their situation where they're on the
run. I think that was a bad idea and
a lot of wouldn't do that personally.
Anyway, the next and last comment from Patreon is Q432 and
they said again as I said in the Earth, Sam does a great job in
creating characters that are soulful and weaving a beautiful
story around them. Nam and Lada have many
similarities even though it seems initially as introvert
meets extroverted person. The difference lies in the
upbringing of both characters. Where one is encouraged and
given all the opportunities and the other was merely tolerated
for her existence and all the drama stems from their
upbringing. Especially for Lotta where she
doesn't feel she is worthy of receiving unconditional love.
I love how the earth showed little cues of how Naam is
intelligent, introverted and reluctant of physical contact.
Which kind of gives us clue that Naam might be knowing everything
from the beginning. I love the character growth that
happens when Nam learns to express herself clearly and Lada
learns to bet on herself and allow herself to be happy.
Ingfa and Charlotte did extremely well in portraying
their characters. Episodes 6 and 7 broke me.
Cinematography was beautiful. Addition of FA and Nam's dad
being green flag were different from novel but made sense in the
show. I hated Hang's character and
Lada's father is 1 amongst the worst fathers in Thai Girl of
Also Nam is great for trying again and again after rejections
girl I would have given up. That's honestly that's true.
I got to give up a love for that.
She does not give up. Cousins were chaos as usual.
Lam's flirting with Lada and Nam were literally gatekeeping.
Lada from Nam was hilarious. Overall great show with great
chemistry and can't wait for the air where we will see the master
flirt. Lam will become a loser.
Yes. Big Gate Energy goes to Nam for
being very straightforward and telling Lada how she feels.
All right, and. Yeah.
Oh, that's a good 10. That's a good one.
Thank you. That's a good big energy award.
Taylor Swift songs for Nam and Lada are king of my heart.
Dancing with our hands side and we were in love.
Those are all really good choices.
Totally agree with you. OK, this one's probably one of
my favorites. It's short, sweet and to the
point. So over on Instagram we have
Costa under score Visa, who says they love the water because the
story the way Appa loves Lotta and ingfa in suits.
Yes, hydrate for Ingfa in suits because that was probably the
best part of the water. Yeah, definitely Ingfa.
In suits, yes, you cannot get enough of that.
All right, heading over to YouTube.
Our first comment is from OK Not Fine and they said it's been a
long time since I've cared as much about characters
individually. Not to mention in Girl of Water
made me cry and be emotional. It was a true roller coaster.
I really admire Love design as top girl of and ran or run in
Petra Kora surprised me but this series still hit different oppo
and lot of feel like real people, especially lot of love
between them just makes perfect sense.
There's connection on emotional level, not just physical
tension. As usual, it was better
supported by writing in a book. On screen it was carried mostly
by nuance, directing, little moments and excellent acting of
Inglot and subtle not force but very obvious chemistry, just the
way they look and react to each other in a scene.
I didn't feel this way about their other series nor other
girl love series. Acting in the water is on a
whole other level and overall story writing mostly taken from
book with its flaws in romantic sense still wins me over.
I'd also mention I really enjoyed music.
I didn't hear any of these songs and melodies before.
Very beautiful pics for dramatic and intense moments.
That's true. Yeah.
I love how they made me who who read a book still question if
lot of poison food. Gave Pat numbers with script,
Mr. X and SUS acting reveals. Both times were very emotional
and well done. Reveal of Oppo knowing
everything is probably my favorite scene because of
callbacks drama and Charlotte's superb acting of lot of being
crushed and thaws. Acting of Oppo going from smug
with Pat to desperate. I made the worst mistake of my
life in two seconds. It was very well directed to the
way Oppo was running after lot of moments with cars bade my
heart skip a beat. Never trust a car.
I never trust a car on screen. Not ever.
I never trust a car anyway. OK, another moment I love was a
lot of denying having dinner with Oppo when they were in her
office. Tension there and suffering in
their eyes is top angst. Yes.
Yeah, I loved initial comedic moments.
I think Charlotte is born for this and crying.
She is funny. She really is funny.
I'm glad they let her. She got to be a character that
was funny because she is fucking funny.
Yeah, she made every scene different, funny and every drama
scene she cried and expressed emotion differently.
It really showed her range. I have a lot of moments because
actors made them all count. But last I will name 1 The hug
during the rain. I think acting The acting was
amazing and so real in this. It was very touching because of
it. But at the same time I heavily
dislike how the team ruined the first kiss moment and it was
underwhelming and forgettable as I said.
I got to cut in real quick. So OK, this this comment is
really great and there's a lot of comments from YouTube that
get into specifics about the novel.
And I did censor your comments a little bit to remove spoilers
from the novels. I'm just letting everybody know
that not because your critiques are not valid, but because we
will discuss that in the book club.
And I will bring up your comments in the book club so
that people watching this don't get spoiled about the novel if
they're planning on reading it, because everybody should read
the novel because like this commenter is saying, they are
different enough that they're different stories and things
read very differently. And I agree with this about the
first kiss was very different and reads differently.
And the significance is very different between the two
scenes. So just letting everybody know
the novel stuff has been censored out of your comments.
Not because I don't love you, it's because this is about the
series and I do want to spoil people.
So come to book club to get the novel stuff because there's so
many different things. Like their kisses are different.
Like there's a lot of stuff that's very different.
And I agree, the context is then changes and the story changes.
So just had to throw that out that Caitlin hasn't read the
books. I need to throw that out there.
Yeah, all right. They we finished up with Lada
and Oppo falling and ending up sleeping on the floor.
I feel like this was the most beautiful, real moment in Girl
I've I've seen because of its simplicity and authenticity.
It felt like real intimacy. OK.
And then things I didn't like for this commenter or I'm going
to summarize. It's just changes from the novel
that do not translate well from the series and I'm 100% on board
with you. That is what I didn't like about
the series because I read the novel and to me, I like the
novel better overall. But series is so good.
And so we're going to focus on the series.
All right, next we have from YouTube Duplo Tracy, who writes
love the way the characters grow as individuals and in their love
for each other. It's very layered and sweet.
I would I think that's on brand for the four elements way North
Star is doing it. That's a really good point.
Also, I like the layers of storytelling because Salman is a
fucking boss. Salman is a great writer.
All right, the way Oppo's knowledge of Lada and Pat's plan
was reviewed. Revealed I think was very good,
even though watching how devastated lava lava Lotto was
my it was heartbreaking. Yeah, I know.
It was actually really heartbreaking to have her there
while this happened. The way to to the other
commenter's point, the way Avo pivots when she realizes she's
trapped the brother and she's like, you really think I'm going
to let feelings get in the way of destroying you.
The way she did that and just like turned and became predatory
was fucking awesome. And you're like, This is why
she's a top CEO. She's fucking, she wins
arguments and shit. She's fucking smart.
She outsmarted your ass. No duh.
Like you can't say she's a genius and then have her not be
a genius in her story. Come on, guys.
So I love that pivot where she like has him and she's like,
yeah, I had you the whole time, bitch.
That was great. Yeah, that's good.
That's good. All right.
So next is from Oxy a Shayar. Oh my God that's a question.
Why do I love the water one? Because it's part of four
elements and that anthology format already makes me giddy.
Getting same characters, taking main character and side
character sheets respectively and retaining the dynamics that
we have come to love is beyond anything I expected to get in a
girl love show ever. I love the moments cousins show
up randomly. I do love those as well, it's
just fun. 2 for the water. More specifically it's Inglot.
They are killing it every episode, every scene, every
micro emotion is spot on #3 storyline.
I will credit that to the writer Salmon because her novels are
amazing and I applaud Northstar for actually retaining the core
of the novel and making changes that enrich the story.
The romance is kind of slow burn and so so believable.
I love how Nam goes from stoic boss to down bad stalker in
stages. I like that there is drama but
it's more plot and character driven and not just for the sake
of it which some girl of shows won't name them.
Always do and make me go. If you're watching this I just
did the emoji face. But if you're listening, it's
it's not a happy face. So what the fuck face?
I didn't know what the name of this is.
I don't either, that's how I'm describing it.
OK #4 I enjoy watching the episode and then go to my insta
feed which know me so well and watching edits of the show with
Bollywood background music. I didn't even know how much my
Indian soul needed. That seriously?
#5 Last but not least, watching mom flirt with both of her
future sister in in law. She too bad She's yeah.
Too bad she is not the youngest and we won't get to watch her
flirt with Phi's love interest. You know, she probably still
couldn't. She probably still will.
She can't turn off the charm. I'm very curious about the fire.
I have this weird sense that Phi is going to be my favorite, but
I don't know why. I just do.
I'm very curious about her story.
Same. All right.
Last but certainly not least from YouTube is Crimson Studios.
Again Crimson, I had to edit out some stuff.
You wrote a whole novel about the novel and I'm so sorry, but
I had to remove it for spoiler reasons.
I will bring it up in book club. I'm sure you'll be there.
OK, so Crimson Studios writes this show is very interesting
case. Let's set a scene.
I'm a very impatient person, but this spoke to my soul by the
way, your entire comment. So I just love it.
I'm a very impatient person. As soon as the earth ended, I
decided to pick up the book and I was hooked.
Literally same, I have finished reading it before the series
aired but to my luck this adaptation was the least
faithful to the book as of so far.
But in my opinion that doesn't make it a bad adaptation.
Case and point, queen of series. Exactly.
It's nothing like the novel yet I personally think it's the
perfect adaptation. So despite the changes I still
think it's a solid show and some of the additions are peak.
Honestly, some random thoughts I like in the series that weren't
in the novel #1 Atasorn while he was in the novel and you can
tell how much he loves Oppo, but he always came off as too pushy,
too persistent to make Nam get into a relationship.
While in the series he's more cute and fun and he kind of
feels like Lam and Phi in some way.
And I love how close he is to Pho, which ties to my next one.
I agree he is. He does read more like Lam and
Phi and maybe the North Star did that because the cousins really
aren't in this story as much. So we got that flavor and you're
like, you can see where they're related.
That's a really good point. All right, next point #2 is FA
FA was in the Earth, but we didn't know how she was related
to the girls. But heroes reveal she's Nom's
half sister, which kind of makes her the girl's half cousin, but
she's not a within a wit. But that doesn't matter because
she's clearly close to them. So we're on the same page about
her etiology. My evidence is Din asking her
for help in sending an SOS message in the family group chat
and she's as unhinged as the rest of the family.
She's not in the novel, by the way.
But honestly, it makes sense that she would be here.
And I love the fact that she's in the show because now we have
a source to how opt to how Oppo knows who Lotta is.
Yes, yes, that is different. They went through the whole the
whole how Oppo figured out who Lotta was.
They explicitly explain that in the in the series.
That is not in the novel. And it would make sense.
She's a reporter. So they have a plausible way
that ABBA would have figured this out and Crimson Studio
continues. Anyway, I hope she's in the air
and fire. I love FA so much.
Parentheses news reporters is my favorite character archetype, by
the way. That's good to know.
It's good to know. Go let us know what you think of
broken, broken of love in there. News reply of person.
All right #3 Nate. Again.
Nate was in the novel, but the novel wanted to sell you on Nate
being Lada's ride or die. But like, Nate is barely there.
Not in the series though. Nate is very integral for Lada's
character. She's not POC, but she's up
there as a bestie who got her besties back.
I agree their friendship is really important.
So in short, The water is my favorite Cinderella story.
Love that you point this out. It is a Cinderella story.
Good step quote, sister and all. I just think about it.
Just think about it. You're right.
It's the step sister who's ostracized by the family.
They're trying to marry her off and then she gets Prince
Charming who is oppo. Yeah, that's sure.
Correct. It is a Cinderella story.
Yeah. Lana.
Yeah. Scripts, the studio continues.
Lana, Cinderella. Pima Dutch is the evil stepmom.
You're right. The dad is a stepmom, P Pat is
the evil stepquote sister and P Wat is the good step sister and
Oppo is Prince Charming. And the cousins are out of the
rats, which is not the birds, the rats.
The mice they. Are who is the fairy godmother?
Who's Lom? Both the rats and the fairy.
All right, Crimson Studio signs off.
Let's see you people in the air. I'm still very early in the
novel. It is so good.
I will join you there, girl. No worries.
But I'm going to watch the series first, I think.
Or at least we'll see how impatient I get before I see.
How impatient? There's been multiple series now
where you just got impatient. That's how I know personally, I
love the series. It's when I'm like, I have to
read the novel. Yeah, that's fair.
All right, heading over to Twitter, our first comments from
All about Girl Love. I love the slow burn and angst
energy, even if it hurts. APS a lotta are very interesting
characters so it's great to follow their evolution.
Favorite scene? I love the back and forth at the
beginning of the season, like APO talking about beauty and
brains or a lot of playing. Tricks abso fucking lutely.
I will say with Twitter there were a lot of comments that were
basically like I love the show cause of Inkfa and Charlotte so
I'm not going to read all of your comments out but thank you
all for commenting. They are a great reason to like
a show. Next up we have is Satsuko who
writes for me it's the storyline itself.
I really like how it was written.
There are no plot holes. Also I love this slow burn
relationship between the characters and the comedic side.
Yeah this was funny. I also agree that makes it nice.
I like ROM com genre. Parentheses is still going to
call it a ROM com and if we are crying through most of the
episodes I think it's Paris la Gaza ROM com.
Yeah, that's fair. There's crying anyway.
All right, last comment is from K&G, and they said this series
showed Info's innate acting abilities, but more importantly
highlighted Charlotte's acting prowess.
She is a natural when it comes to delivering different
emotions. Both can incredibly convey
feelings just through their eyes.
I root for them to achieve super super stardom.
I mean, this series was, they were excellent in this series.
They did a phenomenal job, particularly because they had to
portray introverts and that's challenging for and the actors
did a very good job with that, I would agree.
Yeah, I do too. Yeah.
Before we wrap up, the challenge for you for this episode is to
write just a little bit or just give a summary of what the scene
was that of Din talking to Nam about sex.
The sex talk that Din had to initiate, what was what the hell
happened there? Because we were robbed.
So many possibilities. You can all come with something
different. I believe in you.
It was a disaster, I think we all can agree on that.
But what the hell was that scene?
Leave that in the comments, I'm very curious.
Thank you for joining us for the water.
We will be jumping right into the air after this.
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