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Warrior, none coverage and it's the gay, you've all waited for
it. You got through the other
episode and now really like to make people.
Wait, we do but for the good stuff, there was gay stuff in
there, okay? So listen, I don't remember what
happened. Now, we're going to cover all
the actual gay that we have in the The outline.
So Oliver first, let's start with Mary and sister Shannon who
were a totally doing it. Oh yeah.
Again the photo on Shannon's desk.
Come on, definitely romantic feels there.
Oh yeah, that had like my high school girlfriend Vibes that
photo. You don't say they're like in a
field. They're the only things in the
frame, the hug. They come on now.
Like to I tell you, you haven't done that before.
Like that photo. I get why they couldn't say it
explicitly, but I just wish they would you do?
That's what that's the only thing that really bothers me.
Now, with the knowledge that like, Shannon is canonically
gay. In the comics, it irks me that
they did it. But I'm hoping it's because
they're they're like, we're gonna give you a by character
and stead who's the main who's actually going to be on the
show. Because like she had is the main
and the comics and then That got a little different but anyway,
um yeah, it's kind of annoying because like any time Mary talks
anybody they're like yeah I get that.
You guys were super close but it's I think it gives like
romantic friends in like the Medieval Times the way they talk
about it like explicitly. Mmm.
I mean it's all right, there, her reaction.
Her reaction to Shannon. Dying is not a friendship
reaction the way it like, destroys her.
And she becomes consumed with it like I don't care how good of a
friend you are and that's not the reaction.
That's not the reaction. It's like back in the 1800s,
when women were having romantic friendships.
Right? Exactly.
Where that's how we're talking about it.
Oh, that's just super No honey. They were in lurve.
Yeah. They were they were and then
like it would have I would love to see more of that just because
they're both awesome characters and they seem like they have a
good actual relationship with each other from the even from
the tiny glimpses that we get. Like it would have been cool.
Like they would have been a great.
Little power, gave me power couple 5S, you know?
Yeah listen so in the comic, Shotgun Mary is a lesbian like
and so, is there together in the comments?
So it's canon in the comics and unfortunately in the comics she
married as died, an untimely death.
So Mary, that doesn't give you a lot of Hope for the end of
season one. It sure.
Does it? Now.
Thanks free. No.
Think the comics I just realized what you said.
No. No, that's an explicit bear your
gaze. I mean is it explicit if like
they're being wishy-washy in the show?
I said an explicit. Oh okay I heard explicit sorry.
I don't I forget what the the the opposite of explicit was
implicit. I think so.
Yeah implicit implicit yeah because explode and implode I
don't know obviously I'm not as cultured this time like not
remembering words doesn't have anything to do with no but yeah,
I didn't want to ruin. I didn't want to like rain on
the parade but I felt like I should, at least say it that she
does die. Yeah, and you die, I hope not,
but it's a shoe cold Warriors. It's people would die in this
scenario. So, these are readily prepared
found my phone. I thought you were like, really
excited about the possibility. I know I was about to tell you
leave the podcast. Yeah, you can stay now and an
implicit way. Way.
All right, so anything else to say about Mary and sister
Shannon, there wasn't a lot of it.
It's sad that there wasn't. I wish we had more.
As we said, I think we should get if they can do a crap-ton of
voiceovers, they could do a crap-ton of flashbacks in the
season and make them really good.
Okay. Agreed.
Or if they go to the other plane or whatever and Shannon's there
I would like to see that. So I'm saying I just think
Shannon back because I know Like every know her, I know this is a
wishlist you, if they took the, the Halo out of Shannon,
couldn't they they couldn't put it back in wonder if her body.
No, that was. All right.
I have a note in here, that I wasn't going to bring up,
because I think it was answered later, but then, I wasn't
totally sure. So, I'm gonna get it, man.
This is you think Halo heals you?
Why did Shannon died, shouldn't they have been able to take the
divinium out and have her heal? I think I'm tonight, right?
Well with Shannon situation. So when she first comes in and
like Mary's freaking out and because gay stuff and they're
like looking at her, they're trying to figure out how can we
can we get? They asked that.
Can we get it out like shrapnel? But it's so embedded so deeply.
They're like, I can't the whoever the medic is like I
can't remove it without kick like killing her in the process.
So like, it's just going to kill her and I think that it has two
different you back. Well, the dude The exception is
the divinium can harm the Halo is because I think it's because
they're of the same plane or whatever.
So like it's they can fight each other but stuff on like our
plane can't it doesn't work against it.
Which is why regular weapons don't work against Ava.
But like the divinium does that, that was the whole scene with
Lilith where she's sparring her for the first time.
She's like, hey, you're not a mortal this shit right here,
this divinium that can actually harm you.
So, you need to learn what you're doing, because all like,
this batons and stuff. She's just like I can phase out
of This but you can't escape the divinium because it's like those
are warlike weapons or I don't even know elements, I guess.
So that's the only thing that can kill the warrior done is the
divinium from that plane, the Halos room basically.
It just wondered if they took the divinium out of her dead
body if they could bring her back.
No. That is not a.
That's a good question. I don't know.
Like I don't like with maybe they tried that with Aria Aria I
really, really thank you. I'm so sorry for a story or
none. Yeah, I want areolas and God,
this is the gay section of the party goes.
Okay, so that is implicit. All right, so, but I wonder if
that was tried with her the first time and they're like,
hey, no, don't die. This worked once and then it
just didn't, I don't know, maybe they should be and it the Halo
can't because there's not enough energy in that host.
If there's the davinia, maybe she may be dead.
She may be like too far dead. Wow, dead Ava was or how many,
how long she'd been dead at that point.
But it wasn't that long or maybe it's because like, otherwise
physically her body was fine enough, that the Halo could
regenerate Ava versus like God. I was gonna say Ariel
that the Halo can't regenerate. The bodies have been damaged by
that. That put possible, it wouldn't
work, but with Eva she died with.
I don't know if some kind of medicine that killed her.
So it's different like the Halo can work against that because
it's not divinium. Maybe?
Yeah. I think I could probably I mean
even if you take it out, there's probably still traces, right?
Exactly. Right.
And so maybe that's like, that's too much for the Halo Powers.
I don't know. That was gay.
We're just, we're just curious. Well, here's a down.
We need to know in the era of barrier gaze.
Can we save our gaze? It's a valid question.
Exactly. Can we put anybody Beatrice
Beatrice? And Mary?
All right, so yeah, one last thing about them, I do love even
though we don't get a lot of Shannon.
And Mary, I do love that they're basically the through line
throughout the story because like that's like a big
motivation for Mary that leads to a lot of like plot stuff and
we do get like visions of Shannon, through Ava.
So, like, even though she's like the, we lose her in the
beginning, I do like that their relationship actually does move
the story along a lot because of, like, Mary's dedication to
her and like avenging her and Believing that.
Hey she wasn't crazy. That really was a big plot Point
even though like we didn't get them physically together like
their love lives on basically is what I'm saying, which I
appreciated. Yeah.
Same. Yeah, that was nice.
Yeah. So the interest of Beatrice
Beatrice are are gay lady, that comes out.
Whoa, Mary's actual gay, but and Ava's definitely bisexual there.
Okay. Like guys, explicitly, no, no,
like, Eva explicitly, because there's a, there's a scene where
she's like first run. Away and she's walking it off
walking in that like bizarre that's happening outside and
she's having a of a horny thoughts and she's basically,
like, I could get some with looks at woman than looks at
man, she is bisexual in the show.
Like that is can okay. Yeah.
So There you have it. There you have it.
But Beatrice are enough, has a huge house moment.
Kind of. How's it coming?
Out moment? That is beautiful.
Yes and it's she told it she does it through the story of a
former Warrior nun and the person that kind of I think
Camilla ships. Are you the truth?
And she was when she has that little smile and hands the book
to Beatrice and says I think I found something that Help.
That'll help. can we pause and talk about that scene, too,
because I think that scene sets up the next scene, Beautifully
and they do it through the camera work.
So it's not talk about that scene really, really quickly.
So the scene that precedes the story with Beatrice and Ava
Alone. Together is essentially like
Lilith's back and Ava's freaking out and Ava is in the hallway
with Beatrice and they're standing on opposite sides of
this hallway. And at first, this is very, very
wide shot with the camera and then be adjusted essentially
like probing Ava to be like, hey why won't you go see her?
Because you're the only one who hasn't seen her yet.
She's like, literally calling your name out.
Why would you go in there? And Ava starts like giving
excuses and like beating around the bush with why, she's afraid
basically. And as this is happening, the
camera is slowly zooming in on the two of them.
So it's like reducing the like free space around them, until
it's like kind of just the two of them.
So it's an Ava as she's talking is like getting closer and
closer to the truth with Beatrice.
So it's a way to show that, like, they're like emotionally
getting closer and to a more vulnerable place with each other
as the cameras, like zooming, and then Camilla comes in
through the door. And gives the storage is like, I
think I have something that will help, so it's just like cool
like way to show that. Like the two of them are
actually getting to have wonderful place with each other
by like the camera, just zooming in on the two of them.
And then that leads to the next scene, which is a completely
vulnerable moment with the two of them.
So I love that proceeding scene and Camilla the shipper
facilities. All of that.
Yes, it creates intimacy? Yes.
And idea of what's about to happen.
Exactly. So I do love that the Camera
work in the show is really, really good.
And I particularly love that one because it really does show you
what's happening by just simple camera work and I love it. so,
Camilla has. Bookmark, if you will a the
story of a former Warrior nun named sister Melanie who escaped
from the Dachau Camp, concentration camp.
Back in World War Two, so we're back to dealing with Nazis.
Are we always Ava, and she starts reading the story.
I love the way Beatrice, is just, it's almost like a quiet.
Melancholy seriousness, but so soft in a way.
I don't know how to describe it other than that, but Avon the
other hand is being Ava. And she doesn't know how to deal
with things, like emotions through anything.
Other than cracking, the occasional bad joke or adding a
comment that supposed to be a humorous.
That's that's her armor, but you can see it steadily.
Just like getting on Beatrice is nerves this time.
Like, usually, she finds it Charming, but this is like a
super serious moment for her. So she's reading about Sister
Melanie who has walked she's so she's gotten out of the camp.
She's taken up the mantle of the warrior none and she's walking
through, I guess the town in France and she sees all of these
Nazis soldiers carousing in a French Pub.
She goes inside, doesn't even know why she's doing it and then
one of the Nazi soldiers asks her to dance a lieutenant and
she says like no and then he's like, oh, come on and basically
grabs her wrist and sees the number that she received when
she went into the concentration camp and then he says you didn't
to like oh Juju and she's like, no lesbian And I just point out
that Ava repeating the word, especially she did actually did
crack me up. It was it was like, oh something
I would do in that moment and I'm like, God Ava, we're stupid.
Well, it's the way she says it to.
She's like so that is words Putting her bias on to the
storage. Like, wow, I really with this
but the one that gets through to her is even being like.
Yeah, she killed those. Not like she said something
about it. Not just your dicks or something
about. Yeah.
And then I love when Beatrice gets like more into the story
before she gets to that part. You just read where she's like
it was like wait a minute. Are you feeding French right
that like she's just like actually translating.
This is funny. It's just like God.
Give it like, what can't you do features?
Like see, look up. Like, for me as soon as, as soon
as I was said that it felt like she was like, damn, that's hot.
Yes, that was a glycol of the tiring.
Yeah. Because Ava, a assumes that the
warrior, none Melanie was Jewish.
But of course she was purchased. Yeah.
So that's when she says, I'm not Caesar dicks been She finds out
that his that sits there wasn't it wasn't just use the majority
of the people in the concentration camps were Jews
but anyone who was different, the Romani the lgbtq population.
Yeah, everybody, everybody that wasn't they come for us all,
that's what it is. But I love that particular part
2 and Beatrice Miles because I think she's kind of like Again,
like Beatrice puts herself in Sister Melanie shoes, obviously
in the story and she seem to already know the story kind of
because when Ava said that, like, they didn't get to the
second page of the book. So she's like, hey, that that's
not, she was gay. Like, that's what they should
pay attention. But when it was like, oh, fuck
those guys, I think Beatrice is like, AA, like, like, you're on
my side is kind of how she took that or is like, you know, some
people like the Nazis, the most extreme version of Just like
hatred towards somebody, like Beatrice to have Ava.
Say that is really like it's validation like supportive.
Like oh you like you'd support me kind of thing.
So it's acute. I think that's why she smiles in
the rest of it. She's like, shut the fuck up.
Baby story. The Way Beatrice says, Les Bish
though. He has a definite pause in and
she breathed through saying the word and it gives it a lot more
weight. So kudos to Christina for that.
Delivery and I really like the way that she acted this seen
both of them though, it was really good, but that really got
me cuz she does pause and then breathe through that word and it
gives it a lot of weight. Just to like so it hits you.
And then we have You know, I have a repeating the word like
thirteen-year-old boy or something.
Lesbian. Yeah.
So, I'm like, I feel like Beatrice is having is trying to
process all of her feelings from the story.
And being like, this is such a heavy moment for her that she's
like, Ava, like Pay attention to what I'm trying to tell you
something. Like I'm we're trying, we're
trying to get to the point of this there's a I think there's a
point in this for both of them and so she gives a nice
monologue. And I'm just going to read it
out because it's a really good monologue.
And and also I'm going to read Ava's response because that was
also I think it was a really perfect response.
Ava. Finally got that.
This was serious and was like okay I'm focused on you now and
her monologue goes my whole life.
People have tried to make me into something, I'm not to make
me normal or at least acceptable.
I became skilled at so many things just so I would have
value despite my flaws or what I had been taught, was a flaw, of
course I tried to fit in but when you're punished, It's just
for being different. You begin to hate what you are,
what you love. And that's when she looks at
Ava. What should make you happy?
Only brings you pain. Pain is what made me a sister
Warrior. And you know like in like at the
bottom of the the end of the day, you're she's just trying to
get over to realize that to do. What she's trying to do face
through this super thick wall, she's going to have to use her
pain, face it and just push through it.
And that's what will make the Halo kind of super-powered.
But also at the same time, she's Coming out to a Vie which is
like a huge thing for her because you can tell Beatrice
doesn't talk about this isn't something that she visits with
other people. I imagine she thinks about it,
you know, all the time. But But it was response was I
loved it. It was the way it was delivered
and the lines themselves because she says, don't hate what you
are. What you are is beautiful, I'm
sorry for your pain. So I love that.
She says, I'm sorry for your pain because I don't know,
there's just something about when some, it always feels so
inadequate when you say or like you're taking part of the
responsibility for someone's pain but the way she says it was
like, I'm sorry that you went through that and I appreciate
the writing and the acting in the scene.
Joy. Yeah, so to kind of go on that
just to go, I want to talk about it.
Yeah, I'll comment on that scene or therapies and then I want to
go back to like, the sister Melanie storie a little bit.
But when Beatrice says, like the part about collecting skills to
have value, that is so fucking relatable, like, I do that.
Like I get this part of her, when it's like, you feel like
you don't fit in and you're different, you just collect
skills. So people will just look at the
skill and be like, okay, you're a valuable part of this team, or
whatever. And that is the impression you
do get from Beatrice when you know nothing about her.
Like you see that she's a skilled Warrior, she speaks
multiple languages. She's a strategist.
Like, she is super valuable to this organization because of all
of her skills and because of that, you don't see who
Beatrice. Is because you just see the
skills. And so, that's a way that she
Mikey and Kaitlyn's gonna get some skills.
I'm just gonna kill enough skills.
But basically she uses that, as a way to hide because she's been
taught that she is different and should hide and conform to being
normal or fitting into the hetero boxes or whatever
happened. Is it remember Beatrice comes
from parents that our diplomats so public figures and you know,
that have that are conservative and so they can't have a queer
daughter. You cannot be that you need to
fit our narrative for our image in the public eye kind of thing.
And so because she can't really, she cannot fit into that box
because she is not a straight person, she hides behind her
skill. She hides behind the fact that
she's super smart. She went to like one of the best
boarding schools in the world and East everything and Took all
these martial arts stuff and now was in this like prestigious
none, none, hurry group or whatever.
So like she's hiding behind her accomplishments because she
cannot conform at the end of the day.
And so I think part of Beatrice hates herself for that, which
goes back to Sister Melanie thing.
So when she's talking about that story, sister Melanie is saying
like when she ultimately, she gets into an altercation with
the Nazis and starts killing them and when it was over, she
she Her Mother Superior and told her like, you know, she was
right because each this ultimately was pointless because
what I was doing is what they were doing to me like each slice
of my sword was an act of hate the hatred.
They had for me like to be afraid of myself.
I was basically putting back on that so like it's kind of like
not only do you hate yourself like you're taught to hate other
people which is the root of all of.
This is just hating people instead of empathizing and
letting them be which is what Nazis.
Are at the end of the day and so sister Melanie saw that like,
because they were poison to hate me, I was poisoned to hate me
and I hate them back by extension, and so we're just
poisoning each other and like that is not good.
And when sister Melanie realizes this, that's where she gets past
the hatred and gets to like a that piece of that Zen place
that lets her harness the Halo, which is the whole real point of
the story. But and and the thing that
sister Melanie says is that I felt Unbound Unburden finally
myself. So when she finally processed
all of those toxic emotions that were imposed on to her, she was
free, right? And that's kind of like what
Beatrice is basically saying. I don't think Beatrice is there
yet in her journey. Like she's still in that.
I was taught to hate myself and because people hated who I was
and we're forcing me into a box that I couldn't fit in.
I feel like that must have frustrated the hell out of
Beatrice because she's so good at everything.
But this is the one thing she cannot do.
And so because of that, I think she hated herself that Ike.
Why can't I just be this? My life would be so easy.
Like, my parents would love me like all this stuff, like if I
could just fit in this box that I can.
And so I think she's definitely dealing with a lot of
internalized homophobia for herself and she's not past.
And so, the story I think is a something for Beatrice to think
about. Like I need to get past my
internalized hatred of me but I'm not there yet.
And so to have Ava, who's like, You kind to her this one, I
mean, Ava is Ava, but she's actually being supportive in
this moment to say, you know, hey, like, you're you're
beautiful, like, you're not weird, you're not wrong.
Like you, you're you and that's beautiful just being you must
have meant everything. Because, and I imagine no one
has ever told her that ever because all the people in her
life are like, fit into the box, and then she gets into The
Cloister. And they're like, we don't talk
about that here, where that we're here to do the mission.
So she gets skills to do the mission.
So this is likely the first time she's ever talk to Anybody ever
like out loud about this? And to have that person
essentially, just support her immediately and be like, I'm
sorry for all this pain. Like you said that you're
dealing with but like being you is beautiful like instead of
saying, you need to be something else.
It was basically just be you like that's good.
That's enough. Like that's very validating to
somebody who's been hiding like purposely hiding themselves.
Like even the not hot priest, says that about Beatrice like,
she's really guarded. Like he basically says it like,
she hides, she hides herself and she does.
And it's Self-preservation because she's been taught to
hate who she is. So she just hides herself and
probably hates herself for having to do that.
And so I think Beatrice is going to be on a journey to accept
herself and like this was like a big first step and it's a very
beautiful scene, very vulnerable.
And I love the way they kind of like tell it through the sister,
Melanie story. And it's very sad that like you
know, when it comes to like being a war like not a worry or
not, but being in this like group.
When she says like pain is what made me a sister were like
that's so sad, it's not like this big belief in the mission.
It's like it's like she's like I was in pain and like my pain was
lessened by just submerging myself in the mission and like
essentially detaching. What I want and need and just
I'm doing this for the mission. Not me like she like when you
look at Beatrice she's pretty, she's the opposite of Ava in a
sense because she's selfless, because she is just like, I am
the mission, I am not me because be me Me, I hate me.
I'm just I am the mission like not me.
Where's Ava is like? No, no, I'm for me first and
I'll figure out the mission later, so they're kind of
opposites in that aspect. But the reason why Beatrice is
doing that is because like, they're both doing it because of
past trauma and pain. And so, it's sad that like,
you're getting these opposite behaviors because of pain, like,
ultimately pain, made them all sister Warriors, really?
If you look at all of them. And so it's very tragic for for
Beatrice but it's a very it's one of those like A good bonding
moments. And we don't see a lot of those
with Beatrice really from this like, very personal place.
So it's a very significant scene and and I it's really sad.
And you see that Ava cares even before you get to that point
because when Beatrice starts getting upset after, because she
resonates with the story immediately, it starts getting
upset when Ava is try to like, Make light of that whole story
and she's like, why you're sad? Because like she was killing
Nazis. Like why are you sad and
Beatrice? Like, blows up at her at Ava's.
Like she looks like a scared little kid when she's like a,
why are you mad at me? Like she likes is clearly is
very concerned. She's like, why are you mad at
me? Like you're the one person that
like, was nice to me and I was bonding with and like, why are
you mad at me? Like a clearly bothers her?
That Beatrice is mad at her and it's, it was big of Beatrice to
just say I'm sorry. This is My trauma, not you and
that speaks a lot about who Beatrice is too.
Like she's not going to like blow up and blame people.
And so she takes ownership immediately if like her own
emotions. Which is really really huge.
And it shows a lot of maturity in the fact that like, she's not
like hiding from emotions necessarily.
She's just She's isolated with them, which is really, really
sad. Makes me love her more.
It makes me love her more. She's, she is a really cool
character. I really enjoy Beatrice a lot.
I know a lot of people were upset about the Not explicitly
stating. In the show itself having her
say I'm gay. Or having, you know, shug and
Mary say that she's gay at some point her having it just be.
Hey there, you're Catholic. Nuns eyes.
Also like to be fair, we literally just did a whole
series about coming out and how there's different ways to do
that, and a lot of the time again, for Beatrice is part of
the first time she's telling somebody you, it's really hard
to say I'm gay. After you've spent years, maybe
A decade. Having internalized homophobia.
Like, it's hard to say those words out loud and label it.
It's easier to say it in a. I'm leading you to the
conclusion way which is like she, hey we're talking about a
lesbian, I'm persecuted because of love and Ava's like got it
got it like sometimes it's very hard to say those words out loud
especially like yeah when you've been trained that that's bad and
you've spent so much time hating yourself because of it's hard to
say those words. It's like I don't want to
shoehorn. He storylines into a place where
they have to say, I'm gay friend.
There are different stories for different characters, in
everyone, in the, it makes so much sense for everyone in this
story not to talk about the gain is because of the where they are
who they are and their backstories.
So I don't I agree with a lot of people's assessment that they've
missed. They've like, Miss the mark on
having gay representation. I just think they're telling the
story in a way that makes sense to the material, the third.
So we're like you don't have Catholic nuns running around
talking about how gay they are, right?
Because it was in the room, only, they could get to.
So like even her story was like, cloistered off.
Mhm. So yeah, I agree with you, based
on the material that makes perfect sense.
And some, and to be fair, like, Not everybody has the coming out
with her, like, I'm getting, like they say it, like actions,
there are actions after this. That are pretty clear of what's
Happening Here. And like again, the camerawork
that's showing you that these two are like having an emotional
moment, like it's just, it's all there.
They don't need to say it, you know, like it's right.
It's right. It's right there.
Yeah, you don't, it's better this way.
Like just be interested in knowing you by having such an
emotional reaction. To this particular story.
It's a different set, right? It's implicit sometimes.
It's the difference between showing and telling like you
need. You don't need the exposition.
Exposition is night. Nice but like again.
Yeah, there are many ways to come out.
Not everybody is comfortable with labeling themselves.
But it is it is all in that story by having this particular
story and Beatrice relate to the story and then say that out loud
to another person. She has a line later on to where
she talks about not being normal and I think is really part of
that monologue, beginning of the monologue.
Um, no. She's like, she's Yeah.
She's like saying that she's different and that she tried to
be normal. Yeah.
Basically that in the thing. and then, you know, later on she She
tells Ava how she ended up in the OCS about her parents and
all that good stuff. And then I was like, well I feel
like there's more to it than you're telling and Beatrice
says, there's always more. Yes.
Oh yeah, we forgot all about that.
That little scene. Yeah, exactly.
Because I mean, that was early on when Ava first comes to the
OCS and that's the first time Ava opens up to anybody.
It's Beatrice who's disarming because she's just like, I'm the
Wallflower that's just been watching and I'm not here to
judge you. But, you know, you are being
selfish. Like, that's just what it is and
Ava, kind of tells her little truth.
And like you said, Beatrice like hints at it, but she's like, I'm
not ready to talk about this like that.
That's the thing like Beatrice is on a journey.
She's not there yet. So I feel like when we get to
season 2 you're still going to have Beatrice with internalized
homophobia but now she has an ally that's going to help her
like process that shit because she has not processed it, she's
just been hiding and shoving. All of that down, and just
living with this pain. So to even like relate to that,
that's why they think. Like her first reaction after
reading the story is anger that she puts she projects onto Ava.
I immediately. She's like wow your dense and
you just missed the whole point like this is so like
disheartening sometimes just be around you and that's what it
was like, what why are you mad at me?
Like I'm I'm I'm really upset. Why are you mad at me?
And that's a Navy like or do you just like no, it's I'm not mad
at you. I'm mad at me basically because
like that's what she's been bottling up and like you know
you can only bottle that shit up so much before it has to come
out. And this is the interest is in
an environment and with a person that she can let that out for,
presumably, the very first time. And the first time you deal with
this, like, it's all learning curve.
She's not going to like get it. Have all the answers
immediately. She's just like, I know I'm
Different. Like, I love who I'm not
supposed to and just like, I am kind of thing, so maybe she'll
be able to say It season 2, who knows?
But like, she's on a journey. She this is the beginning of the
journey. Give her, give her some slack.
Yeah. Simon.
Barry has stated in interviews and whatnot, that it'd be
awesome to continue down that road and dig deeper.
And I think we have to honor the characters and that way, by
being honest about who they are, but why they are the way they
are. And we would certainly be
missing an amazing opportunity for character building and
storytelling if we didn't see more of that.
So we're on a journey, everyone. No.
Yeah, we're on a journey. So he's kind of he's kind of
said and other things too that he hasn't goes.
People asked about Ava and Beatrice and he's kind of like
skirted around it by saying you know there's definitely
something there but you know basically not committing to
whatever. Committing to it.
If you I'll try to dig up that quote.
But anyway, Caitlin you got any thoughts, you're making faces
Kaitlyn? No, you kept saying on a journey
in my head finished it to World Domination.
That's that's the only reason why I was laughing.
Good. They're gay.
You're like, okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah.
So let's talk about their other gay scene when we get to the
wall. Oh my God, that's the wall
facing. We get to the only thing they
didn't, I need to watch these things.
Again, before we talk about, only see the pause.
So you could just watch the scene real quick.
Let's talk about pause for you right now.
Okay, so the first thing now that we pause for me to watch
it, Again because you know if you see things once it's just
you don't remember anything. The way she lives her tears is
just like the most elegant way, okay?
Like but also yeah, when Beatrice is like, okay, now
we're going to deal with your trauma.
No, I was going to mention it, but I was like, it's probably a
weird thing to say is that an elegant thing or is like, the at
the is makeup, like don't fucking touch your face.
You'll never know we can as well, I guess we can ask.
Here. I just want to know.
Was it a choice over? You like they directed you like
don't it was like the also don't block your face because it was
the choice when wiping tears, we don't have time for you to write
out the whole question. These are these are the
questions that we ask that? No one else does.
And the way we ask them, you guys try to rewrite the way as
questions and then, but if I get that question, I asked at how I
want to ask it anyway, so it never works out.
Okay, all right, now we're at the wall soon.
Yes, the phase trials. And she is literally just okay,
I do? I no understand.
Oh my God. Like, she's literally feeling
her up. Yes.
Okay, let's talk about the scene.
So in the what's literally it? Wait, that's it, that's it.
But listen before we get to the pretty gassed up.
This is Ava's trial, right? So the seen before, this is
basically Beatrice getting past her hatred to be super
vulnerable about herself. Getting to the element.
The core is what Beatrice, says, in the story and being super
vulnerable. So now, with Ava Stern.
So when she's phasing through the wall, she's basically heard
big thing and she has a mental block, and she can't really get
through the wall, which is a physical block.
And she starts like slowing down, she's like, I'm tired like
the the Halos draining and Beatrice is like, no, girl, it's
not, I've got your battery. Hurry, like you're five, like
this is a mental thing. Get there at what is bothering
you and she does the things she was doing in the hallway where
she makes excuses until Beatrice was like, no, it's okay, like
what are you really afraid of? And at the core of it, Ava's,
afraid of being alone is really what it is and Beatrice tells
her she's like your no matter what happens.
Whether your quadriplegic again head in a bag of her
descriptions, like you have us now, but you have us, we will
never leave you. And it was like to promise and
Beatrice is very like like you know that I mean it like it's
very cute and that's what's it like Yeah but like that's the
one person she believes who says that is like you believe me
right? Like I'm not going to leave you.
And that's the thing that gets you through and then she gets
through the wall and know what happens Beatrice.
Is there to actually catch her? Oh isn't that cute?
And then press her and caresses her face multiple times?
I get that just once while they stare into each other's eyes and
breathing heavily. Better question is what's with
the caressing? With the caressing.
It's a gay thing. It's a gay thing because there's
always face touching when it's a female couple always because if
this was a straight couple they'd be having sex in the room
because that's how that works. But there has to be all this.
Like there has to be intimacy and touching and stuff.
Because is that now what happened with Ava and That dude.
Yeah, that's the double standard.
We unfortunately are still dealing with.
I get the frustration there. Yeah.
The unfortunately, I remember that scene because it's really,
really serious, but if you see the way they break, eye contact,
you can see it's like there and Ava's, not ready to process.
What? Just happened?
Neither is Beatrice, who layoffs and it's a heck, a mission
mission to try again. You need to do this for real and
like three days or whatever and yeah, yeah, Ava's Pastor here at
that point. She's like, yeah, let's do it.
If you watch the whole scene or the whole like set of scenes,
where she's coaching her. Yeah.
But it's so gay. All of it.
Not just the face caressing and all that stuff.
It's yeah, everything they say to one another, the whole thing
is games. It's metaphorically.
Yeah. Beatrice getting past Ava's
emotional armor because Ava got past Beatrice is a bushel or
something. Like it actually is a very
intimate thing, but they're depicting it with breaking
through a wall. Like, so it's the biggest
metaphor to ever metaphor in your face.
Correct. And then there's caressing to be
like, this is gay. Yeah.
Just to top it off like whipped cream.
There were no cherries because we can't have that with the gays
know. We also don't know who the top
is yet. Yeah, somebody is definitely
think it's Beatrice. I think, never mind.
I'm not gonna die. What's that span fiction, in
fiction, in my head, what we're about to say, when we get into
the new stuff, which anything else on season one before we
move on to season two stuff? I'm going to send you all the
gay scenes. Caitlin.
Hi continued. Watching it are doing this.
And I just thought it was funny is funny.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I also need this is not the gay stuff but just
just that like, being thrown in the religion aspect of like
fidgeting like you know how like I don't know if you guys are
dragged to church when you're younger you're like fidgeting
and of humor like stop moving. I was too scared to do that.
I I really got really good at zoning out.
Church. Scared me because people were
taught were speaking in tongues. Okay, that is scary.
I did not have that experience. Well that's why I did didn't go
to the yeah never mind. Yeah I did have funerals where
it was like a whole church service and one time I set off a
little dog that sang and it said and They Call It Puppy Love.
And then the first one I went to I was like to six and younger.
My brother took me into the bathroom and I just kept
flushing all the Stalls so you could hear it in the middle of
the entire service. That's nice.
The most ADHD kid ever. Yeah, they still not diagnosed
with it. I have one last Ava, the
anything from season. Why don't you give that girl
when they're in the necropolis? Hmm.
Yeah first of all, there is a scene but before we get to that
scene, I want to shout out the directing because when they,
when Beatrice essentially like blows up, I don't know some air.
Area that basically lets them get down to the necropolis the
next level. After that explosion, the shot
is super cool when they're like, descending into the necropolis,
it's like pitch black except for like a light coming through the
hole and there's just like dust. And the way they like, they
don't say anything. They just like come down and
like, get ready and it's awesome scene.
So good job can't work. I love that.
But after that, they actually get to like the wall that
they've been looking for where the Adrian's tomb is going to
be, where Ava has to face through, and they have their
little pun exchange, which is very cute.
And I love that. It's so annoying.
Yeah. Is that our thing now?
It's very cute because that's, that is an Ava thing.
And again, it's like, Beatrice. Like, I've been watching you
paying attention. I know you like this.
This is a big scary moment. Let me play into your like
thing. That will calm you down by
speaking your language. It's very cute.
It's just like a I've noticed you kind of thing and it's very
sweet so cute because, you know, she'd been watching Okay, so
director of that episode was Simon Barry.
Who also wrote the episode? Hi guys.
This is the pilot. It wasn't that either one.
It would have been him. Christopher, love us or was the
cinematographer That's awesome. I kept watching thing that Bree
gave me hmm Beatrice like pools Ava up off the ground they just
stare at each other and then like Ava looks like she's really
into Beatrice in the future just goes.
All right, let's go. Oh yeah, we're in the middle of
a battle right now. We can this gay energy going on.
I should talk about. Okay.
It's like the equivalent of smacking her own the but
something on to battle the, the nun version.
Yeah, I almost said nurse version and I'm like that
doesn't make sense the way she smacked her arm know.
I was like, wow, it's like watching two people on the
football field or you didn't think it was a girl abrupt for
the entire scene because everything else is like so drawn
out, he's like that. Yeah, was that in the same
direction? Or was it?
Just kidding. This interview is getting longer
and longer. Listen, it's all good.
Okay. Did you have to slap Ava to
translate this for me later? So, season 2, we've seen bits
and pieces from the Taylor these two, First of all, Beatrice is
out of the out of her habit. And in sweats, yeah, all the
scenes. We see of her are either in
sweats or she's got that sweatshirt off and whatever
shirt. It's like a button-down.
It's a button-down what help me Not a flannel, you know, the
pattern. I don't know what it's called.
Sorry, but it's a short. Leave colleague.
Pat, get them down, I got this. What is it?
Hold on. No, I mean I know I'm a shit,
right? I'm trying to say pretty sure.
It's like It's in flight, on plug it is a pattern and then
flannels the material. Well, sorry.
Revoke your gay card. I don't know if our video
symptoms, I know nothing. We're learning.
That's what the podcast is educational.
Yeah, I know. Nothing about being gay,
apparently. So let me know.
Pretty that's all. You gotta go really guys, but
the the we forgot this scene where Ava's starts crying on
Beatrice and she Almost hesitates to like, hold her
tighter. Oh yeah.
Oh wait, hold on. And they talk to each other in
the hallway. Cuz yeah, I mean for Beatrice
this is a conflict of interest and she doesn't know how to be
affectionate like his, she spent so much time, distancing herself
from people. Emotionally said, I have the
Evas touchy-feely, so to have Ava do that.
She's like, her reaction was like, I don't know what to do in
this situation. Oh yeah, I think my notes are
like it's like from 30 Rock there.
There don't be cry. Like she just doesn't know what
to do with this. The very beginning.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, when they're at that
party. Okay.
Um, I'm calls on her crying but I'm, I want to just bring up one
last thing from another scene that is also not gay, but I was
not coherent enough or watch this video yesterday when she's
fidgeting with the outside the thingy, which is it a church?
Is it the Vatican? Yeah.
When she's in the habit and she's fidgeting and pacing
around it. Yeah.
And they're like stop fidgeting. And she's like, sorry, bad
habit. Like that's such a briefing.
Yep, it is, I'm putting the picture.
It's not. I was incorrect it.
I think it was incorrect. It's a straight.
Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's yeah.
It's a striped button down. Oh, whatever it is.
And look how happy she is. I just wished her hair was not
cut. I want to talk about that
though. That party scene.
Yeah. So there's there's this scene of
them. Dancing is the one we're talking
about in the party but there's also like stills of like
basically before. So keep in mind that Beatrice is
on a journey to accepting herself and I think they're
using clothing and the habit or at least the hair cover like a,
it's almost like a tit job kind of thing that the Are covering
that they keep doing what the nuns, because it's a religious
thing to show, Beatrice's Journey, basically, to
self-acceptance, I think. And so before they're dancing,
there's a still of basically, like the intro sent Ava, they're
close together, Ava's like arms, slung around.
Like, he addresses neck and like, even seem too.
Happy Beatrice looks petrified. And it seems like they're at a
party and I assume she's never been to a party ever aside from
like things at boarding school, whatever that means.
And it's significant that like there's nothing covering her
hair which we rarely see with Beatrice.
And she's got a sweater on this covering her, so she's covered.
So it's like symbolizing armor motional armor.
She's like, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm hiding.
Basically is what this is so and then in this scene, where
they're dancing, the sweaters gone.
So I assume Ava's the one that calms her down, she's like, hey
have fun live a little kind of thing and like gets her to
remove the sweater, which is like opening up emotionally, and
freeing herself not hiding and so like in the scenes where
they're dancing like Beatrice's hair is also not In the bun.
Like it was in the prior scene to this, it's free and flowing
which we've never seen ever. So I think this is like again
Beatrice like just letting go and being herself like being
free like in the story about sister Melanie, I'm Unbound like
I'm finally me that's the scene so I love it.
So I think Beatrice is going to have definitely a personal
journey in season 2 that's her accepting herself and like being
free and being not just a sister nun which is she's Just been her
title this whole time, but Beatrice being Beatrice and
figuring out who that is and I think that's what these scenes
are showing, which is really cool.
Absolutely. And I think you're spot on about
the hair and clothes, especially it looks like if it's trying to
get Beatrice to dance and to loosen up, that's kind of her.
But her she's facilitating like she's there to support her.
She's like you're obviously you kind of want it.
I can sell you kind of want to do this but you're scared.
I'm here with you, like be with me and like, I'll be with you.
Like you're not by yourself, like you're not alone.
It's like basically the the wall scene, but in a part like, this
is what Beatrice is afraid of being herself.
Whereas Ava was afraid of being alone so she's like, got her
through the wall by saying, like, hey, I'm not going to
leave you and some like that's what the scene is were Ava's.
Like, hey, like I'm with you like you're not alone like it's
okay to be you. Yeah yeah.
So I think be that's what's happening with the address and
unfortunately there's another man so for Ava so I don't like
that but I'm hoping that's not real.
In the hole, you're jealous thing in the trailer.
I'm like, where's that coming from?
I know, is it before? Or after this dancing scene?
People are like, are they queerbaiting?
I'm hoping their head baiting by showing us dude and they're
like, like it could use like hit beta it's fitting.
Right. That's what I'm hoping.
Because again this was the plot in season 1 and I feel like
they're not about to repeat plotlines and I think season 2
is going to be more about Beatrice processing.
Shit and Ava can see right through her so she's like yeah,
girl, you're jealous and because like Beatrice genuinely like in
that scene where they're having that exchange like, doesn't
really understand. She's like, what are you talking
about? So I think this is like Part of
Beatrice's Journey, kind of thing, I do, baiting I think
things things will happen with them, emotionally, who knows how
far they'll take it. But either way, I think we will
get Beatrice being more queer or coming into her queer identity,
which would be more explicit in the season based on what we've
seen so far. This is a big energy word of the
day. We're just I just love the
themes of our episodes, like they just develop randomly.
Yeah, they're organic. That's where hydrate for
lesbian. Jesus came from its neck.
So if you were thinking Jesus Juice, anyhow, we're are things
about the show, GMOs included. No, I think your prediction is
my prediction and I hope they come true.
Otherwise, I'll Cry. I don't want to watch the whole
season and then just be disappointed gonna give us Mary
and you know, just come on. BB be kind to the gays but are
you grandpa? I have a prediction for the
dance scene. What's that?
Do it? Okay, Camilla, they gave Camilla
shop and then I think she's there too and then Ava takes
Beatrice away to dance. And then Camilla picks up what
she thinks is water and just Downs it, but then it's actually
another glass of vodka. So now while they're dancing in
the middle of the floor, Camilla's over by the corner,
just dancing and she thinks like the corners a person and yeah,
she's just in her own world and she's just having the best time
of her life in the corner and then to piggyback off that so
like that and they start getting super close but then Camilla
knock something over and then they have to like babysit her
and that like breaks them apart. Hey knock into Beatrice and push
them closer together. Oh, and make their lips touching
it. Like, oh no, I didn't mean to do
that at all. No, you want to go do that
again? Yeah, we do.
If only we could write the the season.
Or Lilith is also there and then she's like, listen, I got this
one and she takes the drug, what away?
And let's even be addressed either thing.
No, no, she comes in later with Mary.
Well, it's like, I'll go get the drunk one.
Mary you knock some sense into them and they literally just
like, takes both of their hands. Like you guys open your eyes,
okay? Now close them and what you
think? That would be matchmaking
mother's appearance in the background like God, these damn
kids and like whiskey. Like yeah, we're all good.
Mother Superior in is a dry martini kind of woman.
I can see that too. It's only like that expensive
ass. Like what is it Scotch?
No she she comes into the party being like Oh what are these
options? This is bullshit and just like
I'll just take one of everything.
It's like, I'm gonna need, I've been dealing with these kids,
way too long. She's over in the over at one of
the tables, drinking Skittles vodka, but every once in a
while, she's glances over, I come here like.
Yep. She's still with the corner.
She's fine, she's fine. She's not going anywhere.
She's she's not, she's not dangerous, she's talking to the
wall. It's fine, it's fine.
She's smiling. No.
It's like, they just put like, pillows around her.
So she doesn't so she thinks he's like, barriers and she
can't move and she's just be nice to your room.
It's gonna say the salt, and then she thinks that she's like
a Shit. The hell you've created a
crossover and when we're done crossovers.
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