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Today we're pulling back the 
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of Imagineering. 
We're talking about the secret 

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paint colours designed to make 
massive buildings disappear, the

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historical reasons why the 
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wonky, and the market size 
details currently appearing over

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at The Rock and Roller Coaster. 
So grab a cuppa, settle in, 

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We're about to show you a side 
of the park because you've 

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probably walked past thousands 
of times and never even noticed.

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Welcome to the great British 
Mickey Waffle. 

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Now my wheels in motion and my 
windows open with the wind 

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blowing in my hair, I'm driving 
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Gonna do this my way. 
I can feel in the air. 

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Here I go. 
Hello and welcome to the show. 

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It's the 1st of May 2026 and her
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into summer at the parks. 
So before we start a massive 

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happy 37th birthday to Disney's 
Hollywood Studios, today I'm 

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Becca. 
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secrets hidden in plain sight, 
we have Simon. 

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Hello. 
Ben. 

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Hello everyone. 
John and Claire. 

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Hi, Becca. 
Hi, everyone. 

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How? 
How is everyone? 

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Looking forward to going to Walt
Disney World. 

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I knew you. 
I knew you were going to say 

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that, not. 
Much longer. 

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And there's a reason Robin's not
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Can anyone guess what it is? 
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Today. 
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Where's Robin? 
Which which Kingdom is she in? 

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Not this one, no. 
Lucky lady, yeah. 

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Do you know what? 
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I'm like, Oh yes, it's finally 
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and then especially in Disney 
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earlier on so but. 
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bit, so I'll take that. 
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into May sunshine. 
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that's. 
Way to keep the positivity going

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so. 
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depression mode we. 
Get one week for that where it's

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like hot. 
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We look forward to the following
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Yeah, but that usually doesn't 
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Yeah. 
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And by that time, we'll we'll 
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that point. 
And I know we're all looking 

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forward to the summer. 
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to talk about what we're talking
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Because I think, like you said, 
how many times we walked around 

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Walt Disney World and that you 
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And I remember a couple years 
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Kingdom tour and that we'd walk 
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And now every time I walk into 
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at the park in a different way. 
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aspects and things that the 
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on so many different levels. 
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or your 50th trip, I think you 
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experience. 
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last summer we did well. 
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into every World Showcase 
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looking at the other parks and 
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details. 
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listened to the World Showcase 
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go back and have a listen if 
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podcasts. 
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either on the plane on the way 
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even when you're there, you 
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before you go to the park in the
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the things we talk about. 
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I think as well. 
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keys to the Kingdom talk because
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we'll probably point out one or 
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on keys to the Kingdom as well. 
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as you listen to a polygamist. 
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end up costing us money, VIP 
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looked into it. 
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have a a few plans for a couple 
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Shall we? 
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Simon, what's your favorite 
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King. 
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first foray into that. 
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to Disneyland Paris. 
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there, but it was Main Street 
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of the castle. 
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embodied on Main Street about 
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life. 
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that you don't really realise 
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giving you the the wow factor of
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towards the castle that that 
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perspective to make the castle 
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magic of the castle and seeing 
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appear even more grand when you 
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they've used to build it. 
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Magic Kingdom, whether it's your
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has that same wow factor that's 
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Main Street that it's like it's 
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little bits along there. 
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Just just like you said on Main 
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you're walking back up at the 
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down because it's it's on 
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a slide downhill. 
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footpath on the right hand 
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where people tend to walk. 
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shops and food and the bakery on
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down on your way out, when you 
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one giant full length shop that 
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Imagineering? 
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The castle, but with the 
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So that is Disney all over. 
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John, there are so many in all 
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I've stolen the best. 
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the windows in Main Street, but 
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even get into the park, if you 
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station and it's every time. 
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tour, we just exited the park, 
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go past and just seeing the sort
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keeping dreams on track. 
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I look at that in the park and 
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this is Walt's park. 
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This is just for me, it's just 
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we get back to Florida, we're 
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home. 
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of just something that just is a
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He's the only imagineer with two
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St. on the end, yeah. 
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because actually when you when 
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this, this, this has become like
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that is always our first 
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Kingdom. 
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track is just such A and I'm 
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It really is. 
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Isn't it mine? 
I think of another one. 

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Yeah, so, but well, I'm 
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go a little bit further up Main 
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a bit, and I think this is this 
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go back again, going back to 
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on Bob Gehr and the basically we
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Imagineers, but knowing how each
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on Main Street, but if you look 
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begin to see them. 
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height of them. 
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come into the park are 
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castle as as Simon mentioned, 
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tour and having just time to 
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actually the little side street 
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practising the piano. 
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can be often missed by people 
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phone out, they're looking at 
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the most beautiful parts of 
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just looking at exactly who who 
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actually encrypted some of them 
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couple of hours just walking up 
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window, probably Googling it as 
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quite the handiest thing now, 
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really good book called Windows 
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Yeah, it is absolutely. 
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amazing detail within I just 

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think within any theme park that
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actually under seen because you 
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just there for a bit of a bit of
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there to to honour Walt and to 
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the stand out detail that what 
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the one that when you know it's 
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You you're going along Main 

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Street and you're looking up and
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balloon Cellars and things like 
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where you're going. 
Claire, what's yours? 

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I I think that you can probably 
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be concrete it's. 
Not is it more toilets? 

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I'm I'm going to. 
Start. 

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Oh, there you go, concrete. 
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when you're in a Disney park 
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what's directly in front of you.
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you, just like John was saying 
about the, you know, the sound 

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of the, the piano lesson, 
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You'll see all sorts of hidden 

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details that the Imagineers have
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trying to draw your eye to it. 
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Disney park and other parks is 
that this story, you are 360° 

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surrounded by story. 
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to what you're seeing and what 
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haven't, they have bothered to 
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and go, great, yeah, people are 
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to do is seep at traffic and no 
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point, right over in 
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boot prints, you'll see wagon 
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mechanical and geometric shapes 
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There's abstract sort of tire 
Marks and then over if you go to

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the back of Fantasyland and I 
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there are peanut shells and 
there's popcorn and, you know, 

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all sorts of, you know, there's 
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bathrooms that we talked about 
on the previous show. 

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You know, it is all adding to 
that story over in, if you think

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about in Hollywood studios over 
in Galaxy's Edge, you know, 

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you've got Droid marks on the 
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driven around and toy 
storylines. 

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You've got the massive 
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size of a toy. 
So you know, the, the adult size

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shoe or Andy's footprints, 
they're huge and you just walk 

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across it and sometimes you 
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there. 
But when you clock what they 

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are, you go, oh, OK, I'm the 
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Droid that's gone past. 
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fact that they bothered to do 
that is a thing that I love and 

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the fact that it's so clever. 
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horses hoof prints out 
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Haunted Mansion up to the 
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And there are the different size
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stamped in them so that you know
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I just think that it would have 
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But they did, and I love it. 
It would. 

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Have been cheaper than not to 
bother, right? 

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It totally would. 
So that that the fact that they 

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spent the money and the time and
the thought process behind it 

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all. 
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because I love the concrete, but
that's why it adds to the 

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feeling of completeness of 
story. 

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Yeah, I. 
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Kingdom does a really good job 
of that Pandora it is. 

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completely transformed at night.
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why is it not washing away? 
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paint during the day, but then 
when you're there at night and 

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it's glowing and you know, it's 
amazing. 

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And then they like Asia, that 
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like I lived in village, it's 
like. 

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The bike tracks and yeah. 
If if you were, you don't notice

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it. 
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an invasive part of the story, 
not at all. 

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But it it, it's not like your 
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to that one thing, but 
collectively with every other 

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part of the surrounding. 
It just complements everything 

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else. 
So it all just all fits together

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when you look at all the 
different parts that go into it.

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And I know we've, we've said 
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the brown floor in Liberty 
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that. 
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different bits to that they 
didn't have to do and they 

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didn't have to put into all the 
parks. 

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But we're so glad that they did 
because it gives you that, that 

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that sort of thing where you are
surrounded by everything, where 

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we always say we go to Walt 
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happening outside, to just be 
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just switch off from the outside
world. 

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I think all the everything we 
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what Imagineering have done for 
the parks really helps and aids 

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that. 
I think absolutely, Ben, I 

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think, you know, this is the 
stuff that we're talking about 

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today that adds to the story 
that if you if you were in a 

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rush and you were just going 
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attraction, you might not, you 
might not see, you might not 

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want to see. 
You might not care actually that

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they'd bother to put peanut 
shells in, you know, the circus 

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area at the back. 
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that extra 10 seconds just 
looking around, if you're in the

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queue line, you know, have a 
look on the floor like in the in

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mine train queue line, there's 
gems in the floor and various. 

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It's really like it would have 
been. 

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I think what I love about it is 
it would have been easy not to 

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bother, but they did. 
Yeah, biggest tip, put your 

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phone away and just take in the.
Soundings or take photos of it 

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and then send it to your friends
and go where am I? 

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Yes, which I've done many times 
we've had certainly during COVID

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when we were doing like family 
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the rounds was Disney Pictures. 
Where are you in Walt Disney 

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World? 
Because we. 

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Just look through all your 
pictures and just like you 

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realise what zoomed. 
In to something every time that.

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We've gone to Disney. 
We've always taken, well, at 

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least I've always taken about 
1000 photos every trip. 

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So there's there's probably so 
many different things that I've 

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taken pictures of just by just 
by just. 

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Pure accident. 
Yeah, just by just taking a 

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photo or a selfie and then not 
realising what's in the 

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background. 
And then actually that's part of

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the story. 
That's part of the sort of the 

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land we're in and. 
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But. 
It's so easily missed and that I

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think that that's the bit that. 
You all love the concrete too, 

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because I love. 
Concrete, this is true. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But but it's really weird 

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because actually you think that,
you know, you think that kids 

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don't notice it. 
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they weren't with us, we, you 
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smart and all that. 
And we'll send them a picture. 

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Where are we, you know, and they
were right on it, you know, even

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down to the even down to the 
mosaic floor as you're getting 

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into going through the single 
rider line for rock and roller 

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coaster. 
They knew, they knew exactly 

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where it was. 
I was just like, because 

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they've, they've actually taken 
the time themselves to actually 

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absorb this, this hidden detail.
And I think that's the key thing

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is if you, if you go as a 
family, don't allow your kids to

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just be on the phone and, and 
just check your stuff and get 

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them to soak it all up. 
Because I know both, both of my 

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labs have had great fun over, 
over many years with Reese and 

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Katie, who are Neil and Karen's 
kids, because they, they'll 

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always, if we're not there at 
the same time, they will always 

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exchange those photographs 
asking where are we? 

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And, and it really, it does not 
sharpen. 

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It sharpens your mind, but it 
really sharpens your eyes the 

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next time you go because what it
does, it makes younger people 

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look that little bit more. 
And I think it, it, you know, I 

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certainly feel for, for a lot of
young kids today. 

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I don't think they're opened up 
to that enough because they kind

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of, you know, I'm even talking 
about in my my job, they have 

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very much a tunnel vision of I 
want to go from here to there. 

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And yet my app says it's 15 
minutes, I'll just hold the 

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phone. 
And I'm basically just like, 

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they lose what's actually, yeah,
but what's been deliberately put

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there. 
And that's the thing. 

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I think we can't say this 
enough. 

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Close, you know, I think you hit
the nail firmly on the head is 

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the fact that there are other 
theme parks. 

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It is just like either grey 
concrete all the way through. 

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And yet all of these things have
been put in for a reason and to 

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to give you that extra sort of 
just to take over your your 

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whole experience like hair. 
And theme parks actually, 

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because everything's got its own
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if you look at Universal 
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And actually, how much concrete 
is in there from the beginning 

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to excluding the Harry Potter 
area? 

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Because that is incredible, that
is. 

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Concrete. 
But the rest of it pretty much 

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is. 
You walk around from Men in 

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Black to Simpsons to The Mummy. 
It's like, OK, it's a. 

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Walkway, yeah, but. 
It reminded me of what Hollywood

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Studios used to be the first 
time I remember going, but also 

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our first few trips. 
You're in that thing of I want 

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to go to the attractions. 
I'm not really thinking about 

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anything else. 
But it's when you revisit, when 

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you get the opportunity to go 
back and actually get to do it 

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at a different pace. 
Because on your first trip, 

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you're trying to fit and cram 
everything in to two weeks. 

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You've got the tickets for 
everything. 

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You want to do everything. 
Your focus is try and get on all

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the attractions. 
You don't think about slowing 

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down, but then you realise 
Florida heat hits you and 

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actually the parks and 
everything's a lot bigger than 

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you think when you when you're 
booking it for your first trip. 

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So it's something that even if 
you are listening to this, 

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watching this and planning your 
first trip, think about slowing 

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down and as much as you can and 
just trying to take all of it in

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because there's a lot of hidden 
detail. 

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Or just be prepared to go back 
again and again and again just 

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like that. 
I think this this desire to look

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for stuff. 
It does end up at the point 

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though where you get fan created
stories related to things that 

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are unintentional as well. 
And like the most important 

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story is the ring on the Haunted
Mansion that. 

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Was. 
Nothing to do with back story, 

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purely A stanchion that got cut 
off at the ground level. 

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It left that metal ring behind. 
Guests then went and created 

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their own back story legend 
about this ring, so much so that

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then Disney had to acknowledge 
it when they got rid of the 

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stanchion. 
They then put an actual ring. 

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In the queue line, it's really 
funny to maintain the story so. 

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I think it's sort of like there 
there is that thing that people 

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go looking for it and then they 
create the stuff and then Disney

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have to acknowledge it and go, 
yeah, actually that is the back 

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story and we like that so. 
Thank you very much for that. 

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Yeah. 
Thanks for creating a fantastic 

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back story that we didn't have 
to think about. 

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I, I think you're on to 
something that Simon and I think

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as well, if you listen to this 
and as a family, whether you've 

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created your own story as well, 
then share it with us in the 

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waffler's arms. 
Because actually, I'm pretty 

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sure things become legend that 
I've got nothing at all to do. 

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It's just becomes family 
tradition. 

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And it is, it is actually one of
the most amazing things because 

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you can make it up if you, if 
you're that type of, if you're 

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that type of person, things 
become sort of embellished and 

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embroiled and, and suddenly the 
next time you go, they've 

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remembered the story and you 
think, Oh dear, I'm in trouble 

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here. 
Because it's actually it was it 

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was it was one of those things 
that you kind of just tried to 

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make something to make make them
interested while you as an adult

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were either one having a having 
a drinks break or two, just 

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trying to keep the kids kind of 
entertained while they were 

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younger. 
And then they they've kept on 

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with the story as well. 
We've. 

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Had something similar to 
remember. 

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It's it's really what I think 
I've mentioned this before. 

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The first time we ever did 
Pirates back in 2013, we queued 

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up for ages of half an hour I 
think it was. 

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Did the ride got off? 
That was fine. 

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A year later we went on the same
attraction, same park, Magic 

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Kingdom, Pirates Caribbean. 
Where did the drop appear from? 

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Because the first time we went 
on that ride there was no drop. 

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We were adamant where there 
wasn't a drop it it. 

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It was really weird. 
There was most people in the 

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boat but for some reason not 
sure what, not sure why because 

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at the time I was scared of most
rides that had a drop or or was 

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anything. 
So it was something completely 

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different. 
But the next time we went on it,

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I needed like less than 18 
months later. 

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It was like where did this come 
from? 

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Because it was a completely 
different experience. 

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And I like the fact you 
mentioned Pirates of Caribbean 

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because there is some really 
cool hidden details there. 

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One I think is my favorite, 
which was a bit of a mash up 

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00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,800
between Mark Davis who was the 
main imagineer on Pirates and 

450
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,160
also Blaine Gibson who who did 
most of the audio animatronics. 

451
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,920
And that is the I love the two 
pirates that are sitting playing

452
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,560
chess because if you have ever 
played chess and you have time 

453
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,280
in that area as you are standing
in the line, there are still 2 

454
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,120
pirates playing chess in the 
underground bit isn't there? 

455
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,640
They the chess board is at 
stalemate. 

456
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,600
So they're just sat there. 
They can't make any more moves. 

457
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,280
No one's going to win and they 
die. 

458
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,080
So that's I'll just say it'd be 
so easy not to bother with the 

459
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840
thought process behind put where
the chess pieces are, but they 

460
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,920
did they they. 
You just think that just I was a

461
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320
chess board set up as it. 
Is just stick it out, you know, 

462
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,880
a couple of pawns and a king and
a Rook and whatever, and that no

463
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,720
one's going to care. 
Yeah, but they cared. 

464
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,320
And that's the bit that all of 
these things, it's the little 

465
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,760
bit of extra effort that just 
makes. 

466
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,560
It's like the little, little 
sprinkles on the icing on the 

467
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,400
cake. 
Yeah. 

468
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,400
So Becca, I'm not sure you said 
what your favorite one I. 

469
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,200
Didn't was. 
That's because you stole mine. 

470
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,760
So mine's actually. 
I really like the attention to 

471
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,960
detail on the Imagineering that 
goes into the queue lines and 

472
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,240
attract of most of the 
attractions. 

473
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,160
I mean, some of them are boring 
switchbacks, but some of them 

474
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:48,800
are Expedition Everest or 
Pandora, Flight of Passage or 

475
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,560
Big Thunder Mountain. 
And where they add so much to 

476
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,480
the story of the attraction. 
Add to the attraction so many 

477
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
little hidden details and hidden
fun things. 

478
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240
I love walking through big the 
queue of Big Fan Mountain and 

479
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120
just reading all of the posters 
and signs. 

480
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,840
Even though I've read them 
dozens of times before, each 

481
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,240
time they still make me smart. 
Listen to the Canaries. 

482
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,160
Yes. 
Next month's episode, yeah. 

483
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,920
Do you think anything's going to
change? 

484
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Because obviously we know this 
month Big Thunder Mountains 

485
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,320
reopening. 
I'll let you know when I'll be, 

486
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,440
yeah. 
Be very interesting to see 

487
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280
because this is the big month of
the year for Disney World to 

488
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,400
reopening because we'd mentioned
earlier that Rock and Roller 

489
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Coaster is opening later this 
month with The Muppets. 

490
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840
And I'm looking forward to how 
they've reimagined in that queue

491
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,920
as well. 
Yeah, I think there's only so 

492
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,560
much you can do. 
I was really surprised to find 

493
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,720
out it's closed. 
Was it 3 months? 

494
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,280
Yeah. 
So. 

495
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320
I hope the Springsteen T-shirt's
still there, though. 

496
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,760
I've got with me. 
I'd be really disappointed 

497
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,680
because actually I want to know 
where that T-shirt's gone. 

498
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,480
If it's not there, I I would 
love that T-shirt. 

499
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,400
Disney Antique Mall coming near 
to you soon? 

500
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Yeah, or Carl's Creek. 
Yeah, I think so, yeah. 

501
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,400
Was it Carl's connections? 
Yeah, up on the. 

502
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Cash connections somewhere, 
yeah. 

503
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Yeah, it's, it's interesting, 
some choices and I'm looking 

504
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,360
forward to getting there and, 
and trying to avoid some of the 

505
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:16,400
songs because I don't think I, 
I, I, I'm surprised, I'm 

506
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,120
surprised does. 
The goal? 

507
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,880
To avoid sunshine. 
Yeah, Soak it up, Ben. 

508
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,320
That's it. 
Just soak it up. 

509
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:24,960
That's it. 
You're on, you're on holiday. 

510
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,160
That's it. 
No, I don't think we'll have a 

511
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800
choice, will we? 
Just going back back and I'm 

512
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,800
going to pick up on a couple of 
rides that you, you previously 

513
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,280
mentioned. 
If anyone has never done the 

514
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,480
standby queue for flight A 
passage, go and just go and, and

515
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,560
just endure an hour. 
Whatever, whatever you do, you 

516
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,440
will not be disappointed. 
It is the most, I I just find it

517
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,800
the most amazing and most sort 
of engaging queue where you go 

518
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,960
from the outside part of it 
where where you've got that 

519
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,360
complete natural beauty. 
Everything's kind of rope 

520
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:10,320
crafted. 
It's got all that Avatar sort of

521
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,920
beauty. 
And then by the time you get 

522
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,760
further in and you've got that 
industrial concrete, you've got 

523
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,000
just. 
Yeah, just the surprise towards 

524
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240
the end of the queue. 
I'm not giving it away. 

525
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,200
Go and queue up and go and see 
it go and just just absorb it 

526
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,560
because, and again, it's another
one you need to be looking up 

527
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,120
and you need to be looking down 
because there are little Easter 

528
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,040
eggs throughout the whole of 
that, that cube that really just

529
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,960
sort of bring the whole avatar 
thing together. 

530
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,000
And, and I must admit, I'm not, 
as we've mentioned over the 

531
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,600
years of doing this, I'm not a 
big filming fan. 

532
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,320
However, it kind of draws you in
and it makes much more sense of 

533
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,000
some parts of the films. 
There's seven different phases 

534
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,760
to it. 
So you've got the bit when 

535
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480
you're outside and then then 
John, as much as as you go 

536
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,000
through, you're in the forest. 
And then how it just it, it's 

537
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
just that build up of just 
watching. 

538
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,040
And sometimes if you're in the 
queue for it, it feels like you 

539
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,800
are watching Avatar because it's
taking that long to get through 

540
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840
the queue. 
But then you've got the pre 

541
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680
show. 
It just fits perfectly into the 

542
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,480
into the story. 
And I don't think many other 

543
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,840
attractions has that full length
of cue that goes into that, then

544
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,160
the pre show and then the 
feeling once you are off the 

545
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,200
attraction. 
And the continued details and 

546
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,240
the way out as well if you're on
the right floors be. 

547
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Careful if you're walking down 
the stairs as you're looking at 

548
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
the walls because there are 
certain things to see. 

549
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,760
But yeah, how many times that 
I've maybe missed a step when 

550
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,720
I'm trying to look at all the 
details that are around? 

551
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360
And when you do get and it's 
only if you come out with 

552
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,840
certain parts of the ride, but 
there's three red handprints in 

553
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,520
in the in the wall and it's just
etched in there with basically 

554
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,360
JL next to it and things like it
is it is everything that the 

555
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,640
whole thing was all about is is 
cracking. 

556
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,560
I think the. 
Thing that always strikes about 

557
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Disney's park is there's depth 
to the experience and the 

558
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,560
immersion. 
So you can look at it as surface

559
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,600
deep, but there's multiple 
layers to all the immersive 

560
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,320
parts of that experience. 
And that's what sets 

561
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Imagineering apart from me is 
you can be that person that just

562
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,120
revels in generally what you 
feel like in that land, or you 

563
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,840
can be that person that says, 
I'm going to go and find that 

564
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320
one detail on that one bit of 
the wall that's hidden around 

565
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,480
the corner that nobody's looking
at and that those bits are there

566
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200
as well. 
If you want to go and find that 

567
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,040
detail in the story and you see 
that in so much of it, even 

568
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,760
things like the Jungle Cruise 
link with traders with like 

569
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,880
Trader Sam's to Indiana Jones 
and Jock Lindsay's bar, there's 

570
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,880
like that unification of those, 
the universes that they exist 

571
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,080
in. 
They just highlight those little

572
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,680
bits that to the layperson who 
just looks in from the outside, 

573
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,200
doesn't perhaps get those. 
But the person that's been an 

574
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640
experience each of those rides 
being in the bar understands 

575
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Indiana Jones can look at it 
with a different perspective. 

576
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,800
And that, that's the thing that 
for me sets Disney's parks just 

577
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,680
that that step above is there's 
thought and and an experience 

578
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,080
there beyond just the IP of what
you're what you're there to see.

579
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,760
And I haven't, I haven't been to
Epic yet to know whether that 

580
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,800
exists in quite the same way, 
with hidden details and and 

581
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,240
depth of experience in what 
they've created with that part. 

582
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,360
I think you're right, Simon, and
a bit, you know, you're quite 

583
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760
right in terms of the fact that 
if you, if you've been and 

584
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680
you've experienced multiple 
things and you sort of make 

585
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,000
those connections together, you 
go, ah, I get it. 

586
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,280
But if you don't or you're not 
interested, it doesn't detract 

587
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,320
from your experience at all. 
You still have an amazing 

588
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,360
experience whether you've linked
Jock Lindsay's and Indiana Jones

589
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120
together or whether you've 
linked this, you know, Skipper 

590
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Canteen in the Jungle Cruise. 
And if you haven't been to one 

591
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,680
of them, it actually doesn't 
matter. 

592
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,640
It just if you have and you you 
like that level of connectivity 

593
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,040
between the different worlds, 
then brilliant. 

594
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960
That gives you something else to
think about, talk about, immerse

595
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000
yourself in, but it doesn't 
detract from it if you don't. 

596
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
So if you are there on your 
first time, you haven't noticed 

597
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,600
those things. 
You're still having an amazing 

598
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,800
time. 
You're still in an immersive 

599
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,480
environment within the thing 
that you're in it. 

600
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,240
You know it. 
I think that it brings such a 

601
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,120
diverse opportunity for lots of 
people with lots of different 

602
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,720
interests. 
It doesn't exclude anyone, and 

603
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360
if anything, it just includes 
more people. 

604
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,240
The more you get into it, the 
more you look at it. 

605
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,960
And you know, this is like peak 
Disney geekiness for me. 

606
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,120
And I think anyone listening to 
the show is going wow you. 

607
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720
You people really need to get a 
lies. 

608
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Well, I don't realise this is. 
This is when people say to me, 

609
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,400
oh, you're going back to Disney 
again? 

610
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000
I'm going, yeah. 
Because this is the stuff that, 

611
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,480
like, absolutely ticks my boxes 
and makes me go, wow, I didn't 

612
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
see that last time I was here. 
Every time I go, I try and 

613
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
notice something new, something 
that I've missed, something that

614
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,920
I perhaps somebody else has told
me about, and I've gone. 

615
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,280
I did not know that and so I I 
just think it the fact that it 

616
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,720
doesn't ever exclude, it only 
includes and that's what I love 

617
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,760
about it too. 
Well, we talk a lot of time on 

618
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,520
our our Wednesday live show 
about when we do the news. 

619
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,000
We do like construction updates.
But something that always makes 

620
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,600
surprises me every time that 
over the years that Disney have 

621
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,880
announced new things that are 
coming to the park. 

622
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,200
And it's how they not try and 
hide, but sometimes how they 

623
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,040
blend in some of the things that
they're building, especially 

624
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,080
when, what was it, the gardens, 
the Galaxy Show building when 

625
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,800
that was being built and they're
trying to make it the same sky 

626
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,960
blue to try and blend that in. 
Yes, it didn't. 

627
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400
It's not exact as the sky, but I
think they did a really good 

628
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,480
dense process. 
Don't notice it. 

629
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,960
You really don't notice it if 
you're looking across World 

630
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Showcase Lagoon. 
It's not the thing. 

631
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,120
You're your eyes still drawn to 
Spaceship Earth far more than 

632
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,560
that enormous warehouse. 
And we've said Riviera, which 

633
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,120
like where we have the view of 
Epcot and then when we're 

634
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,800
looking across, it's like, what 
can we see? 

635
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,440
It's like I would see I can't, I
can't focus on the building of 

636
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,719
Guardians of the Galaxy and 
focus on spaceship Earth. 

637
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,320
You know, this this thing is 
enormous, far bigger than 

638
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120
anything else. 
And yeah, you don't, it's not. 

639
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,520
It doesn't jump out at you. 
Don't go. 

640
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Wow, what is that great big box 
over there? 

641
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,840
And when they're quite, they try
and hide as much stuff for 

642
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,120
construction when things are 
happening, because there's a lot

643
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
of things that happen in the 
park, as I mentioned, only about

644
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,920
Big Thunder Mountain as we're 
opening this month, that's been 

645
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,880
closed for over a year. 
But there's certain things 

646
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,080
during construction that they're
very clever about that they're 

647
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,920
not, not everything's on show 
where some other theme parks are

648
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,200
quite obvious when things are 
being rebuilt or changed. 

649
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,400
And I think Disney just seem to 
generally, or I I I find that 

650
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,360
they hide it quite well, but 
usually for a particular reason.

651
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
And they protect the story. 
And and so. 

652
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,480
The idea, you know, we've all 
seen the pictures of Rock'n'roll

653
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,880
Earth and RIP Ride Rocket being 
dismantled within about 3 days 

654
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,280
of it closing and digging out 
the front of Universal Studios. 

655
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,360
And there's literally no shame 
in that. 

656
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
It was just like RIP it down and
dig the hole. 

657
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Whereas and it's in a location 
it's quite hard to hide. 

658
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,040
But I think that Disney 
absolutely would have covered 

659
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,240
that over. 
You would have had high walls, 

660
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,880
you wouldn't have seen all that 
destruction and then 

661
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,360
construction afterwards. 
So it would have been and I 

662
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,760
think preservation of story is 
really important to the company 

663
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920
and to Imagineers. 
So they do try really hard to to

664
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,960
hide that bit that and then 
suddenly it's like the wind, the

665
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,640
curtains opening on da da. 
Here's what I made earlier. 

666
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Yeah, Andrew. 
Peter. 

667
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,360
Was very good at generally 
announcing what they're doing so

668
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,840
we will find out at AD 23 that 
so much things change because 

669
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,680
when you think of the last. 18 
years time you will get yes. 

670
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,960
It's Monstropolis and it's like.
We. 

671
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,200
There's there's enough thing to 
where they talk about and things

672
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,120
will obviously things change and
that where sometimes with 

673
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,960
universal, we didn't know. 
We knew they were changing Fruit

674
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,200
Bride Rocket, but we didn't know
that it was going to be fast and

675
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,640
furious until like. 
It started ripping it down 6. 

676
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Months well after it after it 
that. 

677
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,000
And it was like a lot of coast, 
yeah, we're not building 

678
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,440
anything. 
There's nothing being built as 

679
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,680
this huge roller coaster. 
You can see the top part of it, 

680
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,320
so there's nothing there. 
Really. 

681
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,600
It's very interesting to see how
different companies operate in 

682
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,000
that and how I think it protects
the story, like you said, 

683
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Claire, and how a closure of an 
attraction or an update for an 

684
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,960
attraction impacts the land 
around it. 

685
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,320
So when we had like Splash 
Mountain turning into Tiana's 

686
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,720
bio Adventure and does that have
that impact like Frontierland 

687
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:15,080
and how how different 
Frontierland looks now with no 

688
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560
Tom Sawyer Island? 
Yeah. 

689
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,840
Yeah, that would be intriguing. 
I can see what I have noted the 

690
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,000
past year or so is that 
Imagineering is moving very 

691
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
quickly on a lot of their 
attractions. 

692
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,880
Obviously we mentioned rock and 
Roller Coaster managed to turn 

693
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,280
it around in like 3 to four 
months on such a small scale, 

694
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,480
but riots in Animal Kingdom are 
just going up at a pace for 

695
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760
Tropical Americas I. 
Think dinosaurs Only will be 

696
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,280
will probably be closed. 
Yeah, I think they already know 

697
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,560
what. 
They're doing with that though. 

698
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,880
Yeah. 
True, and they closed it last. 

699
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,320
Yeah. 
Shouldn't need too much work, 

700
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,720
thankfully, but they've with the
work they're doing over on 

701
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,920
Tropical Americas on the 
construction walls that they've 

702
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,200
got around. 
They've put little Indiana Jones

703
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,720
and Encanto themed kind of 
artwork in the woodwork. 

704
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,760
And they've got quotes as well 
from the film. 

705
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,600
So you sort of, you know, even 
if it's your first trip going 

706
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,760
there, you're not sure what it 
is. 

707
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,680
They've got a concept art on the
walls as well as sort of these 

708
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,960
sort of clues and sort of what 
what is to come next. 

709
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,360
I I remember when they did that 
with 7 dwarfs mine train and 

710
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,400
they had they even built it in 
that they had lower level site 

711
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,920
holes. 
I. 

712
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Remember that for dwarf level 
site holes to to look in on the 

713
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,600
construction. 
Like it only dawned on me after 

714
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,360
I'd walked away from it. 
I thought, oh, that's kind of 

715
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,400
part of the story of what Rd. 
they're building. 

716
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,880
My big dwarf holds to you, but 
for some of us they were at the 

717
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,200
perfect height I. 
Was. 

718
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,840
I thought they were the kids. 
So, you know, I didn't even 

719
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,360
think about. 
The theming aspect I just 

720
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,400
assumed they were for. 
Children to look there. 

721
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Was one for Snow White and there
was like 7 for the dwarfs. 

722
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,600
I think as well, while we're on 
that same subject and, and 

723
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,160
actually hopefully not insulting
people who are short, but if 

724
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,400
you, if you go to Epcot and you 
go to Moana and the journey of 

725
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,480
water that exists on so many 
different levels. 

726
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,040
And, and again, if you've got a 
child and you're taking a child 

727
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,480
either in a pushchair or you 
take a child who's who's quite 

728
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,160
young. 
There are things at their level.

729
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,200
And I forgot about this time 
until you mentioned this about 

730
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,160
the about the mind crane. 
But this, this things are at 

731
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,440
their level that you as an 
adult, you can't see and yet 

732
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,920
they're captivated by it in the 
same way that, that, that you 

733
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,640
are. 
And then you're suddenly 

734
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,720
realising that you've missed our
whole layer of the detailing 

735
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,680
that's gone into the 
imagineering of, of that 

736
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,360
walkthrough. 
You know, it's, it's, it's one. 

737
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,840
And and again, if you've not 
done that before and you've only

738
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,080
just walked through and you've 
looked at that, you've looked up

739
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,480
and you've basically looked all 
the way, go and have a look at 

740
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,400
it through the eyes of like a 
toddler. 

741
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Because they've got things that 
have been designed within that, 

742
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,640
within that just that whole area
that I found absolutely 

743
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,080
scintillating to just to just 
see that old fashioned 

744
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,680
Imagineering has has is still 
there, you know, for something 

745
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,760
that's relatively brand. 
New just covers so many ages. 

746
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,600
But someone's actually. 
Thought I think when we, we went

747
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,560
there one time and the first 
time we did what was out of that

748
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,880
and I've gone like that really 
belongs in that park because 

749
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,480
leading up to it, we all thought
why are they putting this in, in

750
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,280
Epcot? 
It felt more like you should 

751
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,800
belong in Animal Kingdom, but 
actually going through, as you 

752
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,040
go through the there are signs 
at different heights so people, 

753
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,880
so people can understand because
it's like the water cycle Moana.

754
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,360
You can see there's a a lot of 
focus on how educational it is, 

755
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,240
but also how entertaining. 
And what I did find funny for us

756
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,000
when we went through it, as you 
said about different heights, 

757
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,720
there are some things that I was
able to get to work from the 

758
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,600
water and there are some things 
you wouldn't because of height, 

759
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,960
height difference. 
But it's something that I think 

760
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,240
is accessible to everybody. 
And it's just something that 

761
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,000
when we walk through and there 
are just so many surprises in 

762
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,200
there that you just have to just
put your phone away and just 

763
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,600
enjoy it and just take it all 
in. 

764
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,400
And I do like that they are 
doing new things in Disney that 

765
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,920
we've said the past few years 
that and there's been lots of 

766
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:43,480
budgetary sort of focus and the 
even in new attractions. 

767
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,320
And I know when I know we 
weren't the biggest fan of the 

768
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,480
update for test track last year,
but in there, there are sort of 

769
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,120
cues to and a ritual attraction.
So in in the queue and and there

770
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,320
are nods to that. 
So even though right has been 

771
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,960
updated, it's still not ignoring
its previous sort of iterations.

772
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,680
One one thing I I do like, and 
it is one of those hidden story 

773
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,000
things that is more about the 
history of the park itself, is 

774
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,160
the nods that they put from 
previous rides into rides that 

775
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,400
subsequently replace them. 
And like the late the probably 

776
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,320
the most recent example is the 
Tiana's Bio Adventure and that 

777
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,040
has references back to Splash 
Mountain to a rabbit in the in 

778
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,640
the ride. 
I think the 50 foot plunge signs

779
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,160
still there. 
There's there's those bits even 

780
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,800
on the references to Mr. Toad 
and they are blinking. 

781
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,000
You missed them. 
Details of like the handover of 

782
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120
the deed of the the land in the 
portrait photo. 

783
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,120
I think there's a Mr. Toad 
statue in the pet cemetery at 

784
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Haunted Mansion and it's like 
those are are things that are 

785
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,360
specific to the the park. 
That park itself that is not you

786
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,840
won't find the same thing at 
Disneyland. 

787
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,920
That'll be specific to Disney 
World. 

788
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,320
But they are blinking. 
You missed them details. 

789
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,200
There's a etching of neat 
Captain Nemo's ship in the 

790
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Nautilus to. 
Yeah, in the entrance to Winnie 

791
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,280
the Pooh. 
So yeah, it's very cool. 

792
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,800
Yeah. 
I have to look for it, though. 

793
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,480
I know that it's there. 
I'll have to have a hunt next 

794
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,200
time. 
I'll be. 

795
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,120
My my new fact to look out for. 
I don't think there's anything 

796
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,480
over in the. 
Storybook circus about Mickey's 

797
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,800
Toontown, though I've never 
found anything back there. 

798
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,400
Maybe I'll have to ask a House 
member and find out. 

799
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,880
I'll have to keep a look. 
The only reference. 

800
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
There is. 
About, I think the railroad, the

801
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,280
Casey Junior Railroad, yeah, I 
think the numbers there 

802
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,960
reference something about the 
original opening years of of 

803
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Disneyland. 
And Walt Disney World rides. 

804
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,040
So I think that's the only 
little, little reference. 

805
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,440
What I do love about the Casey 
Junior bit, especially at Disney

806
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,560
World, is the the track lead it,
it directs back to join the rest

807
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,080
of the railroad, but it's fenced
off. 

808
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Yeah, I'll, I'll. 
And those are things that you 

809
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,520
could quite easily miss that. 
But then you think somebody's 

810
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,240
put thought into putting that 
detail in that, well, the 

811
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,920
railroad must connect him with 
the rest of the railroad, right?

812
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,440
It's not just a, it's not just a
blank piece of track. 

813
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,960
And even if we go back to last 
month's. 

814
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Podcast here we were talking 
about restrooms as well. 

815
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,320
If and and again, it's one of 
the little hidden details that 

816
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,800
are there that actually I don't 
know what the lady is like. 

817
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,920
I've not been in there for 
obvious reasons, but in the in 

818
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,680
the gents, the actual tiling 
actually reenacts. 

819
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,200
There is a train track right 
down the centre of the gents 

820
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,280
toilet when you go into there. 
So I don't think we mentioned, I

821
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,560
don't think we mentioned that 
last month. 

822
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,320
So again, it's one of them 
things that, you know, were 

823
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,480
again, linking back both this 
podcast and last month's 

824
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,200
podcast. 
It is that absolute detail that 

825
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,080
when you see it, it's there for 
a reason and it's actually it is

826
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,080
very clever. 
It's very subtle, but actually 

827
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,920
your eyes aren't deceiving you. 
It it, you know, just just go 

828
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,720
with it and actually begin to 
understand that these things 

829
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,520
actually happen. 
I think you've hit something 

830
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,320
there really interesting is. 
That that every single thing 

831
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,360
that you see is there for 
there's a purpose behind it and 

832
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,080
whether that's the interior of 
the emporium and the various 

833
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
things in inside there and that,
you know, thinking about the 

834
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760
different light fittings. 
And next time you go to the 

835
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Emporium, find a cast member and
ask them to tell you all about 

836
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,120
the story of the Emporium and 
the secrets that are in there. 

837
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,240
They will walk you from front to
back and tell you about the 

838
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,800
evolution of that store and how 
it grew and what it started as. 

839
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,480
And as you walk through the 
store, all the changes, and even

840
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,160
though they've changed some 
recently with different 

841
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,000
flooring, the story is still 
there. 

842
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,040
And you know, it isn't just a 
store. 

843
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,320
It's not just there to take your
money. 

844
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,720
It is themed. 
It is part of the story of Main 

845
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,160
Street. 
It's fascinating. 

846
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
If you sometimes on keys to the 
Kingdom, they take you through 

847
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800
there. 
Not always and talk you through 

848
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,720
the the you know, the story of 
Main Street and and the the 

849
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,080
owner of the store and all of 
the things inside something I do

850
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,680
not know. 
So I'm going to have to do that.

851
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Yeah, find. 
Find the cast member who's. 

852
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,920
And say, you know, can you talk 
to me about the the Emporium 

853
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,280
story? 
If you get the right person, if 

854
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,720
they don't know, they'll know 
somebody who's working who does.

855
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,240
It's, it's fascinating. 
You could then spend like an 

856
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:40,080
extra 2 hours in the store. 
Yeah, so Gilsey have to buy 

857
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,400
something at the end, Will. 
Too Probably buy something at 

858
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,360
the end anyway, told. 
You. 

859
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,640
It's great. 
But I. 

860
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,800
Think that that's the thing, 
isn't it, that even the like the

861
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,320
door numbers around Liberty 
Square, they all mean something.

862
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,920
They're not just random numbers 
that have been picked. 

863
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,920
You know, they are they they 
refer back to the the year in 

864
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,240
which that particular building. 
It's like the, the back of the 

865
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,400
UK pavilion, each of those areas
has an age on it. 

866
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,520
You know, there's the Regency 
bit, there's the audience bit, 

867
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000
there's a Georgian bit and 
they've all got reference number

868
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320
doors. 
You know, all of that stuff 

869
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,920
isn't just, they haven't just 
stuck a #4 on the front and 

870
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,680
gone, oh, that'll do. 
They've gone. 

871
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,440
OK, we'll put a 32 and that 
means 1832. 

872
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,600
And that's what it would have 
looked like. 

873
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:34,000
You know it it's, it is 
intentional and in Toy Story. 

874
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,600
Land, I remember there's a 
couple of references to A113 so 

875
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,920
and I just love that for anyone 
who's watched any Pixar film, 

876
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,880
that is in every film. 
But I love that it's gone from 

877
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,800
being in a film to being as part
of all Disney World, as being 

878
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,400
part of the park. 
And some of those bits are like 

879
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,840
if you know, you know. 
Kind of things. 

880
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,440
And I can't wait to see what 
happened to the Monsters Zinc 

881
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,760
coaster and how many 23 
nineteens they're going to be 

882
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,720
and how many socks, right? 
How many? 

883
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,360
Socks are you going to find in 
places. 

884
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,280
And it's, I can't wait. 
Do you think you're going to be 

885
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
in the restaurant and it's going
to be themed and. 

886
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200
They have to like there's going 
to be some sort of show or 

887
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,840
interruption, you know, like in 
was it Woody's Roundup, Woody's 

888
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,720
Roundup where they have to stop 
because the toys are, they're 

889
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,240
coming. 
They're coming and he's coming 

890
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,160
in. 
The toys have to. 

891
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,880
Stay still. 
Yeah. 

892
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,720
So that's be interesting to see.
See. 

893
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,880
What they do, Yeah, A lot of 
screaming and a lot of laughing,

894
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,000
probably in that. 
I hope so. 

895
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,720
Yeah. 
One, one bit. 

896
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,320
I. 
I think that is less obvious, 

897
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,280
maybe, maybe quite a subtle 
thing that you you won't. 

898
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,960
It's more about a sensory 
perception of your, your 

899
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,840
experience as you walk through 
the park is the, how they apply 

900
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,240
a sense of transition from one 
place to another and the the 

901
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,240
kind of multi facets that that 
has on your, your transition 

902
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,040
from one place to another. 
And there's, there's so many 

903
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,800
different approaches that they 
use to that, whether it's like 

904
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,280
an abrupt hard division line, 
like the tunnels in when you go 

905
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,360
to Star Wars, which is almost 
like a reset of your, your 

906
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,880
senses between where you've come
from the baseline tap house into

907
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,600
a completely different land and 
a completely different place. 

908
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,240
So it's, it just resets your 
just zero in there when you're 

909
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,160
in the tunnel. 
And then you emerge somewhere 

910
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,320
different. 
And there's elements of that in 

911
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,600
how you move through Liberty 
Square to Fantasyland. 

912
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,920
The, the, the Columbia Harbour 
House is almost like a tunnel 

913
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,400
that you pass under and it's, 
you don't, they are so subtle 

914
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,080
that you don't even really 
recognise that you, oh, I've 

915
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,280
just transitioned from one place
to another and the music 

916
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,480
changes. 
They've got a really great way 

917
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,440
of may of you go from one place 
to another place very quickly. 

918
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,560
And all of a sudden it's like 
the music's different, the 

919
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,800
architecture's different, and 
I've got, no, I've got no 

920
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,640
reference to the bit I've just 
come from. 

921
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,240
It's completely changed. 
And then they've got those other

922
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,160
more gradual ones where you walk
through and the architecture 

923
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,960
changes on the buildings from 
being stone buildings at Liberty

924
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,760
Square to timber buildings at 
Tianas. 

925
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,520
And you don't even, you don't 
really even notice that that 

926
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,960
change is happening because it's
just gradual. 

927
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,960
And it doesn't like that's an 
experience that is completely 

928
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,560
just absorbed subconsciously 
that all of a sudden you're 

929
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200
like, oh, we're we're in a 
different place, but how did we 

930
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,200
get here? 
Yeah. 

931
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,600
It's a bit more obvious when 
you're going through like like. 

932
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,920
You said through to Galaxy's 
Edge because you've got the 

933
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,600
tunnel, but then actually when 
you leave Galaxy's Edge to Toy 

934
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Story Land, it's like from 1 
Core, one corner going round. 

935
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,280
It's like I can see buzz in the 
distance, but I'm still in 

936
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,280
Galaxy's Edge and it's just such
a gradual bit where you just 

937
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,160
feel like, am I still in Galaxy 
Edge or am I in Andy's backyard?

938
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,720
Which, which one am I? 
I'm with you there, Ben. 

939
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,280
I. 
I spent about half an hour one 

940
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,040
day because I'm boring like that
just trying to just trying to 

941
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,560
get is, is there a point where 
the two parts of the the studios

942
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,800
kind of come? 
Yeah. 

943
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,760
And and you can't find it. 
It is absolutely, it is 

944
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,640
absolutely impossible to find. 
And it is one of those things 

945
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,440
that when you when you're there,
you realise that is the true 

946
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,640
magic of, of how, like you said,
Simon is, is that transition 

947
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,640
from different lands into into 
something else that is, is 

948
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,920
quite, you know, quite marked. 
But you, you suddenly you're 

949
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,080
aware that you're made aware 
that it's changed. 

950
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,920
And yet there's loads and loads 
of little subtleties. 

951
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,040
And, and yeah, once you start 
looking, it takes me back 

952
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Claire, because I know a couple 
a couple of years ago we did, we

953
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,680
did a bit of, we did a bit of 
promo with married to a Disney 

954
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,840
couple. 
And we, we spent, we spent a 

955
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,280
rather long time talking in the 
UK. 

956
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,680
Yeah, yeah. 
In the UK. 

957
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,480
In the UK pavilions. 
But actually when you're there, 

958
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,800
there is so again, just 
historical differences. 

959
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Again, you walk through a shop 
and you you would never give it 

960
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,680
a second thought, but it's like 
different ages in time and it's,

961
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,480
it's incredible. 
Looking you go, oh, OK, no, that

962
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,680
that's really clever 0 And now 
it's changed and now this is 

963
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,200
what we're looking at. 
And when you're trying to 

964
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,960
explain it to someone who's 
doesn't know and you're just 

965
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,240
like, this is genius. 
You know, the ceilings have got 

966
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,960
lower. 
We started in an Edwardian 

967
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,360
building with a beautiful 
chandelier and now we're in, you

968
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,560
know, a cottage with a very low 
ceiling and beans. 

969
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,840
And how did I get here? 
Because I was, all I was doing 

970
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,920
was looking at the cost of 
Quality St., you know, $20 plus 

971
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,920
tax. 
What happened? 

972
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Yeah, and and the fireplace, but
the fireplaces in each of them. 

973
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,040
And again like you, like you 
said about Emporium, if if you 

974
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,680
ask the cast members, they will 
actually guide you through as 

975
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,720
well because they actually they 
know the back story, they know 

976
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,960
the history to it. 
But once you see it, you become 

977
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,680
quite embroiled within that 
whole magic that is actually did

978
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:19,080
again deliberately there, which 
otherwise you would do to us. 

979
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,560
It's like being back in You Tell
when you told me you were doing 

980
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,560
that podcast. 
I have just going to spend a 

981
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,200
couple of hours in. 
The Rose and crown. 

982
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,560
I had Nicks, certainly we. 
We're going to go through 

983
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,720
everything that's, well, maybe. 
You and that'll be done. 

984
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,400
That's what we. 
Thought we were doing and 

985
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,000
definitely. 
We did end up there, but that it

986
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,360
took a long time to get there. 
We'd earned our memory. 

987
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,600
We needed a drink after 
realising. 

988
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Talking and realising it was. 
But it was. 

989
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,040
Again, it was. 
Yeah, there was more detail than

990
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,200
even we thought before we even 
started it. 

991
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,080
Just kind of, it kind of took a 
completely different life 

992
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,800
because we took the time to 
actually to actually unpick and,

993
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,720
and to actually look at what was
in front of some of my favorite 

994
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,360
transition points. 
And I, I guess one of the ones 

995
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,000
that, now you've mentioned it, 
Simon, now my brain's going 

996
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,440
through all of Walt Disney World
thinking, what about that one? 

997
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520
What about that one? 
The one of the ones I absolutely

998
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,880
love is in Magic Kingdom, and 
I'm always honest, the Magic 

999
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,800
Kingdom's not my favorite park, 
but I think some of them really 

1000
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,440
clever imagineering happens 
there. 

1001
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,440
And it's if you stand and look 
at the front of the Crystal 

1002
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,480
Palace restaurant and it's this 
beautiful restaurant and on the 

1003
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,360
left hand side where you've got 
the covered seating area and the

1004
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,320
gardens around that left hand 
side of the main door are 

1005
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,640
beautifully manicured. 
You know, they are Edwardian 

1006
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,160
gardens. 
It's all in fitting with a 

1007
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,280
beautiful Main Street and 
everything's perfect. 

1008
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,480
As you start to migrate your 
eyes to the right, what you see 

1009
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,400
is the plants start getting much
more overgrown a bit, you know, 

1010
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,920
a bit bigger and a bit slightly 
more tropical in nature because 

1011
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,800
that is your transition point 
into Adventureland. 

1012
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,680
And as you move across that 
bridge towards Adventureland, 

1013
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,480
those bit the, the, the planting
and the, all the part, the 

1014
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,520
plants on in that section 
between Crystal Palace and 

1015
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,080
Adventureland, they just change 
really gradually and it's so 

1016
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,600
clever. 
So by the time you're walking 

1017
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,280
across the bridge into 
Adventureland, you can't see the

1018
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,160
Crystal Palace because they're 
overgrown. 

1019
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,440
And that is just like, it's so 
you don't, you just don't notice

1020
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,080
it, but all of a sudden you're 
transported magically into this 

1021
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,200
new place that was, it's just 
there. 

1022
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,720
It's like 20 steps away, but I'm
in a different place. 

1023
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,960
I think. 
You've heard of that one. 

1024
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,440
Yeah, it's. 
Really clever and. 

1025
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,600
As you cross that bridge, you 
get, I know we're going to talk 

1026
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,640
about sound transitions and 
stuff in another show, but you 

1027
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,360
start to get the drums coming in
and then yeah, I love that bit. 

1028
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,840
It's that it's that multi 
sensory bit that you. 

1029
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,800
Are the smell of the foliage and
yeah. 

1030
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,320
You know, citrus world. 
The other bit. 

1031
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,280
The other bit, the is the 
distinct. 

1032
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Change not just the foliage, but
the architecture of the 

1033
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,280
building, the the very. 
Victorian. 

1034
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,200
Left hand side and as you move 
towards the right you get the 

1035
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,000
canopies then that are brought 
in on the front of the building.

1036
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,880
And it is just that it's, it's 
not obvious unless you look at 

1037
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,800
it and go, those don't really 
match, but it does in the 

1038
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,120
context of the park transition 
itself. 

1039
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:27,720
And those I think is that's the 
detail that for me as somebody 

1040
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,520
studied architecture, that that 
was the stuff that made me 

1041
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,880
obsessed with Imagineering was 
that type of instruction detail 

1042
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,880
and architectural thought that 
went into what creates your 

1043
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,400
experience in the past. 
And if if anybody looks at my 

1044
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,400
bookcase, it stacked with books 
about the imagine naming in the 

1045
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,400
parks alongside a load of my 
architecture because I just see 

1046
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,000
it on that. 
Same that same. 

1047
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,080
Input and thought process. 
That's exactly, yeah, it's 

1048
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:55,920
exactly the. 
Same. 

1049
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,520
I think one one of them that 
stands out for me and and this 

1050
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,920
again is how things get built. 
And I know we mentioned, we 

1051
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,520
mentioned about how building 
that massive show building in 

1052
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,840
Epcot for gardening is a Galaxy 
impacted. 

1053
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,720
But actually within Epcot, 
you've got that view across 

1054
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,520
across the lake and then you've 
got the Moroccan pavilion. 

1055
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,720
And then behind there, and I 
know, I think we mentioned this 

1056
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,400
last year when we we talked 
about Epcot, but behind there is

1057
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,320
actually the show building for 
Tower of Terror. 

1058
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,160
Now when they built that, I'm 
pretty certain somebody thought,

1059
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,640
Oh yeah, we've made, we all know
you can see it from Epcot. 

1060
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,080
We've made, we've made a huge 
error here what we're going to. 

1061
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,080
And actually it was to again, 
they've taken it, they've put 

1062
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,400
like the minarets on and and and
it's probably best viewed if you

1063
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,320
do the mini golf at fairways and
you actually get to see it a 

1064
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,120
little bit more close up, close 
up the back of the back of tower

1065
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,600
to Terra is a completely 
different colour than the front.

1066
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,320
It's got a completely different 
feel to it, but it's there as a 

1067
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,240
backdrop for Morocco. 
And when you you actually you 

1068
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,960
actually look at it and you're 
thinking, Oh my word, how, how 

1069
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:17,040
does someone go to that length 
of detailing to ensure that that

1070
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,680
was right? 
And and partly still wishes that

1071
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,640
they'd done the same for Everest
when you were at Blizzard Beach 

1072
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,880
and you get to the top of summit
Plummet and you get that flat, 

1073
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,520
flat back of Everest. 
But that's probably cost costing

1074
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,120
A prohibitive as well. 
But the one the one for tower of

1075
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,440
Tara, I thought was absolutely a
magnificent way that you can 

1076
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,680
actually turn a right building 
into a backdrop for an Everest. 

1077
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,160
Everest good building. 
It's like creating your, your 

1078
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,040
scenery, or your. 
Stage in backdrops in theatre 

1079
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,440
and and you can actually get a 
cracking view from the sky 

1080
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,040
liner, which is the other place 
you can see that if you you get 

1081
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,360
to see what you saw on the 
skyline. 

1082
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,800
If you're looking for you want 
to see what the backstage area 

1083
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,080
of Epcot looks like, jump on the
sky liner from the Riviera. 

1084
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,200
Because you get the. 
Awful. 

1085
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,240
It's maybe. 
Yeah, it's. 

1086
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,600
And some of it's not that 
pleasant either. 

1087
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,680
I hasten to ask. 
I mean, to be clear, yeah. 

1088
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,080
It's interesting. 
To see if that's if that's. 

1089
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,560
Your bag if you're if you're if 
you're happy to look out the 

1090
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,000
window and see it if you're not 
hanging onto the sky liner, you.

1091
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,400
Mentioned it up, John. 
And and then I thought you were 

1092
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,440
going somewhere else with that. 
I thought you were going to talk

1093
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,120
about the Land Pavilion because 
this is a recently discovered 

1094
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,000
little bit of secret 
imagineering for me. 

1095
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,480
So I hadn't recognised for like 
a million years until I went 

1096
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,200
probably two years ago, that as 
you walk up the slope into the 

1097
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,240
land pavilion and you see all 
that beautiful brown and red 

1098
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,160
mosaics on the side, you know, 
the stripy bits, that's the 

1099
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,680
earth striations and you're into
a volcano. 

1100
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,320
Because when you look. 
At the land pavilion from behind

1101
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,520
it has this like it's almost 
like funnel shaped roof. 

1102
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,480
That's a volcano and what you're
seeing is the lava flow from the

1103
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,680
volcano. 
That's why you go down the slope

1104
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,000
at the end to get in and out. 
And then the ground is different

1105
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480
colours and you've got all those
earth striations and stuff. 

1106
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,120
So and the rocks are there 
because that's the lava that has

1107
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,480
hardened. 
I had no idea. 

1108
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,320
I missed it completely, but it's
just so brilliant. 

1109
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,240
I didn't know, but look at. 
But look at. 

1110
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,280
Again, as you walk up the slope,
look at the actual. 

1111
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,160
It is basically the formation of
Earth. 

1112
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,040
What was really fascinating, I 
missed, I missed a couple of 

1113
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,320
Wednesday shows last month 
because I was away in Lanzarote.

1114
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,080
But actually I, I actually 
walked up and it what was an 

1115
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,000
extinct volcano. 
Not a very big one, I hasten to 

1116
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,360
add. 
But from the outside, it just 

1117
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,560
looked like a hill. 
And when you get to the top, you

1118
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,760
then have the walkway right 
round the ring, the ring of this

1119
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,120
volcano. 
And you know when you're there 

1120
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,160
and you think after all these 
years of this being extinct and 

1121
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:05,560
you still see this in real life,
that is taking Epcot back, too. 

1122
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,680
That's why when you walk into 
the land, you walk. 

1123
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,200
Round it is so exciting. 
Oh, that's the. 

1124
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,480
Crater of the volcano who? 
Knew right? 

1125
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,320
Yeah, it's. 
Genius. 

1126
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,000
That's brilliant. 
Oh, yeah. 

1127
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,720
Well, there you are. 
Every day's school day, Ben. 

1128
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,760
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1129
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,480
But it but it's so subtly done. 
And I think that's the thing, 

1130
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,480
Claire and I know, yeah. 
And, and I certainly know it's 

1131
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,960
not something unless it's 
pointed out to you that people 

1132
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,200
know about, you know, and again,
it's that bit of, again, I'll 

1133
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,120
say it for the umpteenth time, 
just take a little bit more time

1134
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,360
on your next visit and soak 
these things up because 

1135
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,000
actually, you know, even start 
looking at carpet. 

1136
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,640
You start looking at carpet, not
just but. 

1137
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Yeah. 
But again. 

1138
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,160
But again, when you even when 
you go into the land, into the 

1139
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,880
land land pavilion as well. 
And the little film on the right

1140
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,200
hand side has got the most 
beautifully textured carpet, but

1141
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:10,040
it's on the wall and it it just 
begs you to just just brush your

1142
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,160
hand against it. 
It's it's well worth going while

1143
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,360
we're taking the picture. 
It's well we're sending back to 

1144
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,080
the kids. 
And yeah, where am I? 

1145
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,240
There's some funny bits of. 
That carpet on the wall as well,

1146
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:24,680
which make me giggle. 
I, I always think about the old 

1147
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Lou Mongello like walkthrough 
podcast that he did like 

1148
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:35,080
probably 20 years ago and he he 
walked around each area, I think

1149
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,120
each land of Magic Kingdom and 
you can probably still find them

1150
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,840
on Spotify as the they were 
brilliant. 

1151
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,840
And some of the shows that Lou's
done previously with, you know, 

1152
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,760
sadly missed Jim caucus. 
They're all still available on 

1153
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,960
WWE radio. 
If you go back to the website 

1154
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,320
and then search Jim caucus. 
Some of those shows are 

1155
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,240
unbelievably brilliant and I, I 
do go back and listen to them 

1156
01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,560
and you know, some of the detail
that just you miss because it's 

1157
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,200
not spoken about, you know, it's
one of those myths or legends 

1158
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,600
kind of thing. 
And I know we've got friends of 

1159
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,360
the show who tell us stuff about
things. 

1160
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,080
And, you know, we've got Mark 
Sheffield, who is an absolute 

1161
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,960
Oracle on all things and is so 
generous with his, his time and 

1162
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,320
his videos for us that he sends 
over to us. 

1163
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,760
And, you know, we've got Katie 
and we've got Zach and Jason, 

1164
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,560
all these people that contribute
to the show that know stuff. 

1165
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,080
And I think if you, if you want 
to hear it, then the, the, the 

1166
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,600
information's available. 
You just have to ask. 

1167
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,960
And the cast members often are 
the best people to ask about it 

1168
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,400
because they know the details. 
I know someone took Morgan into 

1169
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,960
creations. 
They go tell me all the secrets 

1170
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,080
of creations. 
He would be there for hours, go,

1171
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,840
well, this does this and this 
does this. 

1172
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,480
And did you know that that and 
and that's just in a store that 

1173
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,520
looks like a, you know, like a 
regular store, by the time you 

1174
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,240
start looking at attractions and
various things, those cast 

1175
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,800
members know everything. 
So when was the thing actually 

1176
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,320
you mentioned like? 
Carpet on walls and how things 

1177
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,920
are like decorated. 
I I was just going straight to 

1178
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,720
like the Polynesian islands. 
How how the actually if you get 

1179
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,720
a chance to speak to a cast 
member there and they talk you 

1180
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,440
through the design and what 
thought went into, into 

1181
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,160
everything that that was in 
there. 

1182
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,400
And when you look at any other 
recent someone's like Riviera 

1183
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,520
and Grandiosina Tower, if you 
just talk to a cast member there

1184
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,400
and talk to you about it, why 
it's designed that way and what 

1185
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,200
what is representing, it's 
incredible the amount of detail 

1186
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,080
from they could have easily just
put in a standard hotel those 4 

1187
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,800
pillars in the island. 
Tower there in the lobby. 

1188
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,400
They could have just been plain,
but there's not there's fire, 

1189
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,880
there's earth, there's water and
there's air and they're all 

1190
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,400
there. 
All the elements are there to 

1191
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,200
support you and hold the tower 
up. 

1192
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:43,920
Genius. 
I love it. 

1193
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,600
Yeah, it. 
You've hit my peak, I think as. 

1194
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,440
Well. 
No. 

1195
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,760
And that's the thing though, but
but again, you talk about that 

1196
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,360
hotel, if you go to Animal 
Kingdom, if you go to the Sanaa 

1197
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,840
at Sanaa restaurant at 4:00 PM 
every day, there is a there is a

1198
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,440
free tour that a cast member 
will give you. 

1199
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,280
And it's basically a cultural 
tour of the restaurant. 

1200
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,720
And it's very usually it's 
hardly anybody goes. 

1201
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,480
I've no, I've got this off 
Twitter. 

1202
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,080
And so I do, it's on my list of 
things. 

1203
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,760
I have to do Wilderness Lodge as
well because I know they can do 

1204
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,480
a lobby tour. 
Of Wilderness Lodge, again, if 

1205
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,240
you go to the front desk and ask
them, they do it every day. 

1206
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,120
I think they do like at 11 in 
the morning or something. 

1207
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,480
Most of the time people are in 
the parks, but if you go to the 

1208
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,320
lobby they will do. 
And they talk about all the, the

1209
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,560
earth levels in terms of that 
beautiful fireplace and the 

1210
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,080
water and the, you know, there's
one thing at Wilderness Lodge. 

1211
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,560
Where I think there's a boulder 
Ridge where they talk about the 

1212
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:54,760
trains and the focus on on. 
So yeah, if you're. 

1213
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,720
If you're staying in a resort, 
ask the information's out the. 

1214
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,880
Information's out there, and I 
think that's that if nothing 

1215
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,920
else from this podcast that you 
take is 1. 

1216
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Don't be don't be very British 
and don't don't say, Oh, I'll 

1217
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,840
just I'll just check on me 
phone. 

1218
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,480
I'll just Google it. 
Don't because actually you won't

1219
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,520
get the the full detail. 
Just go and politely ask a cast 

1220
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,280
member. 
They will be absolutely if they 

1221
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,320
don't know, able to tell you. 
Who does know? 

1222
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,160
There's. 
There's probably. 

1223
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,720
A story behind everything. 
That's nothing. 

1224
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,280
Nothing is really by accident in
a Disney park. 

1225
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,680
Everything ultimately they tried
to link to back to the story. 

1226
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,880
I'm very much looking forward to
stay at Animal Kingdom Lodge 

1227
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,080
now. 
I'm sorry, I'd be looking 

1228
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,880
forward to going to Sonora. 
At 4:00 PM while we're there and

1229
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:54,120
here on the tour and then you. 
I want to go to cast members now

1230
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,400
I feel oh. 
Yeah, when I'm there in a 

1231
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,520
couple. 
Of weeks time I'm going to be 

1232
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,840
just. 
Going round asking, I'll be like

1233
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,840
that perpetual 4 year old, why 
is this here? 

1234
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,480
Why is this here? 
Tell me about that. 

1235
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,920
Yeah, they're going to be really
annoying. 

1236
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,800
More annoying than I. 
Already am, but actually that's 

1237
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:08,680
a. 
That's that. 

1238
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,440
That's a really good thing 
though, because actually that 

1239
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,360
but yeah, not judgmental Ted 
Lasso approach. 

1240
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,480
Yeah, I, yeah, I think. 
That's exactly a good roads lead

1241
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,960
back to Ted Lasso. 
Let's face it. 

1242
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,760
Yeah, certainly do. 
Any others that we've missed 

1243
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:26,960
that we? 
Want to talk about? 

1244
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,680
I could literally talk for ages 
about details. 

1245
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,960
That are in every bit of 
building, like the top, the 

1246
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:33,640
tops. 
Of. 

1247
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:39,960
Some of the post areas in Animal
Kingdom's shops, they're merch 

1248
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
stores. 
There's so many. 

1249
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,160
Details that are. 
Relevant to that type of 

1250
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,360
architecture. 
It's for me animal Kingdom, the 

1251
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,640
depth of the stuff there is is 
is brilliant, even the one that 

1252
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,280
that it creates, it almost 
creates a sense of like realism 

1253
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,920
about that place having just 
come back from India. 

1254
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,320
It's sort of like you look at 
you look at animal Kingdom and 

1255
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,960
go, wow, that is incredibly 
accurate. 

1256
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,320
And it's the, the, for me, the 
bit that that was one of the 

1257
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,280
things that made me interested 
in looking at loads of imaginary

1258
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:19,040
things was the rucksacks and the
climbing gear at that, at the 

1259
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,240
store. 
They are genuine artefacts that 

1260
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,560
were imported over to, to add a 
depth of realism to the 

1261
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,920
experience. 
And again, it's it's something 

1262
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,680
that you wouldn't necessarily 
think about, but you see it and 

1263
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,880
you you automatically know that 
it's a climbing store and 

1264
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,760
climbing gear. 
But the fact that they went to 

1265
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,240
the time and effort, instead of 
going, we'll just buy some new 

1266
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,240
replica stuff. 
Yeah. 

1267
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,560
No, we'll buy the stuff from a 
genuine store and import it 

1268
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,040
over. 
Yeah. 

1269
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:51,000
Level of realism that that you 
don't find in most of the parks.

1270
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,160
I know whether that was Joe 
Roddy's. 

1271
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,319
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1272
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,080
I mean I. 
I agree with you, Simon. 

1273
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,800
I think that animal Kingdom if 
anyone's ever eaten in Tusker 

1274
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,560
house yes, inside tusker house 
the. 

1275
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,160
Theming. 
Round the walls is and the 

1276
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,319
artefacts up there again are 
genuine. 

1277
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,760
Some of them are manufactured, 
but a lot of them are genuine. 

1278
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,439
Again, ask your server, ask the 
house member who's seating you 

1279
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,160
to tell you about it. 
They know all of the stuff and 

1280
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,279
all the details and they love 
talking about it because nobody 

1281
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,840
ever asks. 
They just sit down, eat the, eat

1282
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,439
the breakfast, say hello to, you
know, Mickey and, and Goofy and,

1283
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,359
and off they go. 
And actually, if you do that, 

1284
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:34,760
you've missed some of the story.
So I just, I genuinely think 

1285
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,040
animal Kingdom is next level. 
And I know people go, it's 1/2 

1286
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,000
day park. 
It's only 1/2 day park. 

1287
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,120
If you're not looking at the 
right stuff, in my opinion, and 

1288
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,760
you're not going to know. 
Mad Lounge, which is a musty. 

1289
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:51,000
That's the other one of. 
The day three to four hour 

1290
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,680
experience it was. 
Last time I was. 

1291
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,800
There, Yeah, but again and I 
think I. 

1292
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,680
Know that people will go to 
animal Kingdom and you and you 

1293
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,600
sort of. 
Oh well, yeah, I've seen this 

1294
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,040
tree life. 
Yeah, I've seen some of the 

1295
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,480
animals that are there, but 
actually there's other parts to 

1296
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:14,680
that which are not visible 
immediately and, you know, as 

1297
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,720
you walk in into the park. 
And so and this only Cambridge, 

1298
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,440
I just when he when he was 
working there, he actually went 

1299
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,560
for his lunch. 
If you imagine where the pathway

1300
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,120
is to the right and you've got 
Starbucks on the left, if you go

1301
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:34,280
down to the right, there's a big
rock and the rock has got little

1302
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,400
circles in it. 
Now the little circles in the 

1303
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,280
rock are actually magnifiers for
the detail that's actually in 

1304
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,800
the tree of life that you can't 
actually see from because this 

1305
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,600
big rock's in the way and you 
can't get a decent picture. 

1306
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,560
I've tried. 
But if you actually look with 

1307
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,560
with just with your plain 
eyesight, even with my glasses 

1308
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,680
on, you can actually see animals
on the tree that aren't visible 

1309
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,840
from any other part of the park.
And it was just one again, just 

1310
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,760
one of those little bits of 
magic, but animal kingdom's full

1311
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,360
of it. 
And I think I think the nail on 

1312
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,360
the head, it's it's it's Joe 
Rodia is absolute finest. 

1313
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,080
He's, you know, giving carte 
blanche to to design the place. 

1314
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,960
He really has absorbed so much 
of the world. 

1315
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,520
And I know Simon, when you you 
were in India, you've actually 

1316
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:30,360
come back into somewhere like 
animal Kingdom and actually you 

1317
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:35,200
begin to understand why it's 
there because it is truly 

1318
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,720
authentic of of different places
throughout the world. 

1319
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,440
And I think I, I find it quite 
magical. 

1320
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:45,600
I actually, I really find it one
of those things you go to 

1321
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,120
Harambe and you look at some of 
the things that are painted on 

1322
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,280
the walls and some of the 
sayings that are on the walls 

1323
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,240
and the, and it's, it is truly 
there for a reason. 

1324
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,200
It's just like so this is one of
my. 

1325
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,560
Favorite bits? 
So when you're standing in the. 

1326
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,880
The Lightning Lane queue to get 
into Festival of The Lion King. 

1327
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,200
On the wall, there are things 
painted sayings in Swahili. 

1328
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,000
You can translate them on your 
phone. 

1329
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,800
You can put them into your 
phone, like Google Translate, 

1330
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,760
whatever. 
And they're fantastic. 

1331
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,280
They're brilliant. 
Things are like, you know, the 

1332
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,840
Tiger's coming or the lions 
coming, you know, just comedy 

1333
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,720
phrases that have been written 
up in Swahili on the wall or the

1334
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,320
toilets to the left and things 
like that. 

1335
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,360
It's they're great. 
Yeah. 

1336
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,000
Oh, I love that. 
Yeah. 

1337
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:29,480
To do that next time we're in. 
The queue, I think ultimately we

1338
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:32,320
could. 
Do half a day of talking about 

1339
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,720
totally good. 
Yeah, this is. 

1340
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:41,000
Sorry, that should be the That 
should be the name of the show, 

1341
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,280
Ben. 
Next level Disney geekiness. 

1342
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,360
Yep. 
No, we can't do that actually. 

1343
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,960
I'm I'm one of the things as 
well, and I think for for long 

1344
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,720
time listeners and long time 
viewers. 

1345
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,480
If if you've listened this far 
into the show, Many thanks for 

1346
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,840
that. 
But the second bit is, if you've

1347
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,600
missed all this detail, go find 
it. 

1348
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,120
Because actually, once you 
start, once you start to get 

1349
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:11,040
into this bit of of noticing, 
you begin to want to find out 

1350
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,120
more. 
And when you start to find out 

1351
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,320
more, you don't start to 
question. 

1352
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,280
You question so much. 
A bit like Claire said before, 

1353
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,920
you become like that person you 
want. 

1354
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,800
Is that there for a reason? 
And that the answer will 

1355
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,560
inevitably be yes. 
And then you get into that bit 

1356
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,960
of why are the trash cans all a 
different shade of different 

1357
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,800
design, different colours, 
different trash can designs. 

1358
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,320
And you suddenly that's a whole 
other show all of its own. 

1359
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:45,280
And thankfully we're going to go
a step further in the future and

1360
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,520
we're going to talk music 
because actually that is one 

1361
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,680
thing that we we've we've only 
scratched the surface of of. 

1362
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,880
And again, it's there 
deliberately and hopefully we'll

1363
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,920
be able to talk about just just 
how that. 

1364
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,440
Enriches. 
What you're seeing, and again, 

1365
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:08,200
it's that whole sense, whole 
enrichment of every one of your 

1366
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,400
senses whilst you're at Walt 
Disney World. 

1367
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,560
It's not just a theme park where
you go for go for the rhymes, 

1368
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,840
you scream your head are things 
that we can do smells and you 

1369
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,480
scream it doesn't smell stuff. 
We can do taste. 

1370
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,800
Yeah, but you have. 
Yeah, you do. 

1371
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,280
All I think I we're on to 
something. 

1372
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,480
Here, Claire. 
That's it. 

1373
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,240
Yeah, I'm sure we can find some 
interactive things. 

1374
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,720
Can do. 
Let's keep it. 

1375
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:40,440
Let's leave it there for. 
That I think. 

1376
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,920
No, I, I think. 
I think there's quite a few in. 

1377
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,160
Magic Kingdom, when you think 
about queue lines. 

1378
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:47,960
So let's just hold that door 
straight. 

1379
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:50,640
But I think yeah. 
The same thing. 

1380
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,960
Of Walt Disney World Yeah yeah, 
my my only other thing the. 

1381
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,840
Thing. 
That got I'll say the thing that

1382
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,520
got me really interested in this
stuff was I think I'd picked up 

1383
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:06,240
what was the Imagineering field 
guide books and I'd I'd picked 

1384
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,160
up all four of those. 
Oh, and. 

1385
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,240
We all. 
Got. 

1386
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:15,080
Them because we are all same 
level geek and and it was it was

1387
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,200
seeing those that drove my 
interest in what was going on in

1388
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,320
the past and then I couldn't put
the bugs down. 

1389
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,600
I've forgotten about those. 
Yes, I've got them on my my. 

1390
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,120
My Disney shelves as well as we 
don't have them most of us we 

1391
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,560
didn't even know they. 
Existed yeah, you can they are 

1392
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,480
you can pick them up on you the.
Thing. 

1393
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,640
Is yeah, yeah, but. 
I think this is that old now. 

1394
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,520
It'd be fascinating to see. 
How? 

1395
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,720
Yeah, but to go back to the old 
stuff that's not there anymore 

1396
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,280
and got my words. 
Oh, we're onto, we're onto 

1397
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,080
something. 
Yeah, I'm. 

1398
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,160
I'm looking over my shoulder. 
I'm sure it's on the bookcase 

1399
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,880
that's behind me. 
Less than 5 lbs ago. 

1400
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,920
Yeah. 
So for historical. 

1401
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,400
Context and stuff that's still 
there, they're amazing. 

1402
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,080
Those were the thing that gave 
me like, it made me want to then

1403
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,720
go back again to see the things 
I've been reading about. 

1404
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,000
Even if I'd seen it once I I 
looked, I looked at the story 

1405
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,480
and went, I need to go back and 
look at it again. 

1406
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,800
The big thing for us was the 
Imagineering studio. 

1407
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,360
In Disney Plus, when they come 
out in 2020, it was just like, 

1408
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,520
we couldn't go to the parks all 
the time. 

1409
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,120
It's like, I need to know more 
about the parks. 

1410
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,480
And it's like what? 
I've never been to Thomas Soy 

1411
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,720
Island, what's all this about? 
And it was just so much chat 

1412
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,040
about so many things that we've 
realised we've been going to 

1413
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,080
Disney World for years and not 
actually sin or pay that much 

1414
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,000
attention to. 
And then actually seeing it from

1415
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,560
a different point of view. 
And then seeing how sort of 

1416
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,080
Disneyland was put together Walt
Disney World and and and other 

1417
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,040
parks as well. 
And you just like, you just make

1418
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,960
maybe just like so excited to go
back and then would it keys to 

1419
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,040
the Kingdom. 
So and now I just want to know 

1420
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,880
even more. 
Might do another one one day, 

1421
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,560
yes. 
We've started. 

1422
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:52,400
Something. 
That's it. 

1423
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,640
I'll talk to the. 
Other point of my my that 

1424
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,400
drives. 
My interest and that's I have 

1425
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,360
books that are specifically 
about the back story of Epcot 

1426
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:08,680
and its original ideas and the 
ideas of that time period that 

1427
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,920
it relates to as well in 
architectural terms. 

1428
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,880
And that entire mid century 
period of architecture is a big 

1429
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,920
a big interest for me. 
But that is there's books there 

1430
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,640
that have got no photos. 
They're not really talking about

1431
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:24,880
Epcot. 
They are talking about 

1432
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,800
architectural ideas. 
And that is that is stuff that I

1433
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,320
love that that bit of 
architectural history I did it 

1434
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,920
was instantly bridged when I 
went to around Disney parks. 

1435
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,960
And then seeing that that that 
gave me a massive enthusiasm to 

1436
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,080
want to go back probably is the 
root cause of why I've been to 

1437
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,680
Disney World so much in reality.
I think we should do a show 

1438
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,040
about maybe. 
We should talk about Disney 

1439
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,800
books, Disney literature at some
point and the stuff that we've 

1440
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,360
got that we love and the stuff 
that we've read that is 

1441
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,880
brilliant and maybe the stuff 
that might not be so good. 

1442
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:04,520
Just thinking about some recent 
things, you know AJ Bull from 

1443
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:09,920
Disney food blogs, Disney adults
book which is incredible if 

1444
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:10,960
anyone. 
Hasn't listened to. 

1445
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,720
Buy get the audio book and she 
reads it herself and it's 

1446
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,000
brilliant. 
Food for thought. 

1447
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,600
I thought it was doing well 
buying the actual proper. 

1448
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,160
Book Claire don't don't start 
again. 

1449
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,920
Don't start me on the audio 1 
and it was it was eye. 

1450
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,960
Opening a little confronting at 
times, but also fascinating. 

1451
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,640
But I've got, I've got several 
shelves of Disney literature, 

1452
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,000
often Simon, you've got 
architecture, I've got 

1453
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,520
Imagineering. 
But I've also got tons and tons 

1454
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,800
of stuff about Disney history of
leadership and leadership. 

1455
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,840
Yeah, leadership stuff as well. 
Right, we're on. 

1456
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,600
To we're on to something. 
There we go. 

1457
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,960
I think I've. 
I think I've got. 

1458
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:56,440
Some it's certainly it's because
I experience it's. 

1459
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,400
Probably 1 of that sort, right? 
Lee Cockerel. 

1460
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,320
We're looking at you. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1461
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,440
It's almost like. 
Just like that. 

1462
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:04,840
Looks like he's probably got 
something to do. 

1463
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,760
With the Disney experience, I'd 
better buy I I have a book on my

1464
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,600
shelf at work. 
Disney ran your hospital. 

1465
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,080
I work for the NHS. 
So. 

1466
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,920
Yeah. 
And that is absolutely 

1467
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,000
brilliant. 
And all my all my colleagues go,

1468
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,920
what is that? 
I'm like, this is like the 

1469
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,400
Bible. 
This is so clever. 

1470
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,760
Yeah, there's. 
There's a whole nother. 

1471
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,560
Story in there? 
Yeah, I have two on my desk 

1472
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,840
here. 
The portrait of Walt Disney. 

1473
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,480
World 50. 
Years of Disney World and I also

1474
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,320
have the arts of Disney 
costuming. 

1475
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,120
Oh, amazing. 
I don't have that one. 

1476
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,520
OK. 
Well, let's do a story, let's do

1477
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,680
a show about books, and we can 
all compare and contrast and 

1478
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,960
then go and buy loads more. 
I can't. 

1479
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,400
Reference the other books Can I 
palm? 

1480
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,160
Springs Tiki and Palm Springs 
Architecture Nice are the other 

1481
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,200
two that I have and and the Back
to the future. 

1482
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,920
There we go, obviously, just for
good. 

1483
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,320
Measure just covering 
universalism 88 miles. 

1484
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:00,840
Down it. 
Goes with my. 

1485
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,600
Cupboard with two shelves full. 
Of models, of back to the future

1486
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,920
of my life. 
We're all learning something. 

1487
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:13,120
About Simon today I have. 
A replica of each of the number.

1488
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,720
Plates of the De Lorean from the
1985 and 2015 plates I have. 

1489
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,080
I have 3 metal models of each of
the De Loreans from the from the

1490
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,920
three movies I have. 
The large Lego De Lorean I have.

1491
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,920
The small Lego de Lorean. 
I have the Playmobil DeLorean 

1492
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:35,760
with all of the Playmobil men of
of like Marty and Doc in the. 

1493
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,440
Different movies. 
There's like Biff in the 1950s. 

1494
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,520
There's Bench Rucksack, the the 
save the clock tower thing. 

1495
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,680
Oh my goodness, they were from 
an. 

1496
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,640
Advent and back. 
To the future Playmobil advent 

1497
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,160
calendar. 
So I'm just going to do a do a 

1498
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,600
show about. 
That, yeah. 

1499
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,800
But I think. 
That is definitely on the cards.

1500
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,080
And also made a clock tower 
front. 

1501
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,680
So in the cupboard there is a 
cardboard cut out of the clock 

1502
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,960
tower, and then I've got all of 
the Playmobil miniatures in the 

1503
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:09,960
in there as well. 
It's next level geek. 

1504
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,320
The thing though, I've got to 
admit. 

1505
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,040
Simon at the moment, Ben's 
feeling really pleased that he's

1506
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,320
only got Lego Becca's even more 
Becca. 

1507
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:24,040
'S even more please. 
What I'll do? 

1508
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,600
Probably more Lego. 
In random. 

1509
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,680
Pieces. 
Wow, Simon. 

1510
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,880
'S got. 
All of his back to the features 

1511
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,720
I've I'm interested to know what
our. 

1512
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,600
Listeners, but Sam. 
Sam will have a flux. 

1513
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,640
Capacitor, capacitor somewhere, 
yeah, he'll have, he'll have 

1514
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,280
that. 
Yeah, that little box that'll be

1515
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,360
seen that you can get a time. 
Circuits Replica of the three 

1516
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,840
time circuits from the DeLorean.
I don't believe this. 

1517
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,760
I don't know, I'm just. 
Supposed to store this stuff 

1518
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,760
that's. 
I want I'm limited to storing 

1519
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:52,880
things on the shelves. 
Only. 

1520
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,120
I'm interested to know from 
people who've. 

1521
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,960
Listened to the show? 
If you've listened this far, 

1522
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,280
what are you geeky about? 
And are you like Simon? 

1523
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,640
Are you a big fan of Back to the
Future? 

1524
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,000
I quite like The Princess Bride,
so I've got a few things for 

1525
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,360
Princess Bride and obviously Ted
Lasso stuff. 

1526
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,320
But yeah, what? 
What's your secret geek thing? 

1527
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:19,120
We can talk about it in a future
show because we've all we've all

1528
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,600
got them. 
So we hope that this is giving 

1529
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,640
you a. 
Few things to hunt for on your 

1530
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,560
next trip. 
And if you've spotted any hidden

1531
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,880
details that we've missed today,
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1532
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,880
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1533
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,440
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01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,000
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1535
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,800
And drop a comment below to tell
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1536
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,760
Disney detail is. 
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1537
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,520
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1538
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,560
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1539
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,400
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1540
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:58,040
More is. 
We will be. 

1541
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,880
Back soon with a episode, All 
That was The Sounds of the 

1542
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,840
Parks, and you can always catch 
us on our Wednesday shows as 

1543
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,840
well. 
So for now, we will see you 

1544
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,000
soon. 
We'll see you real soon. 

1545
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,240
Now my wheels. 
In motion and my windows open 

1546
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,320
with the wind blowing in my 
head. 

1547
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,600
I'm driving down the highway. 
Gonna do this my way. 

1548
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,680
I can feel it in the air.