1 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:16,000 Welcome to the voices of young people podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,600 springtide Research Institute. In each episode. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,000 We hear directly from young people, as they respond, to our 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,900 research and share about the issues impacting their lives, as 5 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,100 sociologists and researchers. We see a new story unfolding for 6 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,700 young people. One, that moves, Traditional 7 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:33,800 institutional boundaries and requires careful attention to 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,500 the inner and outer live of emerging Generations at the 9 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:39,600 intersection of being and becoming. 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:52,200 It's the voices of young people. All right, you have any other 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,400 questions before we get going? If I sound really scatterbrained 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,500 or say a lot of homes and aahs, what do we do? 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,300 Hi everybody. Welcome to the voices of young 14 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:09,500 people podcast. I'm your host, dr. 15 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:11,400 Josh Packard. I'm really excited to be here 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,500 today, with one of our interns, Donna. 17 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:17,700 You want to introduce yourself? Hi, I'm Donna. 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,800 And Donna told, tell everybody a little bit about who you are and 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,800 what you do. Yeah. 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,000 So I've been interning with spring tide for my spring 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,700 semester. Currently a second year college. 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,700 And I'm a Psychology major and pass back, and we've been so 23 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:38,200 happy to have you. I mean, your work that you've 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,500 done the perspective you brought for us has been invaluable. 25 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,400 Oh, stop it. I'm serious. 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,000 It's been, it's been really great. 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Thank you. You know, a big part of what 28 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,100 we've been working on while you've been with us is you came 29 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:04,800 into sort of the middle of the belonging report which comes out 30 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,000 here in a few days. And there were some really 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,400 important findings out of that report that I kind of wanted to 32 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,300 talk with you about today and get your perspective on not 33 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:19,500 necessarily like the validity of the findings but but more so 34 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:22,500 about how you see these things showing up in your own life and 35 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,800 and chief among those, you know, we found Is right in line with 36 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,400 what Cigna and other large Studies have found about 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,900 isolation and loneliness. Namely, that it's impacting 38 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,100 younger Generations more so than ever before. 39 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:39,100 Our data importantly, I think goes all the way down to 13 40 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:42,200 where most study stop at 18 and shows the these. 41 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 These younger Generations are more isolated than any other 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,700 generation and more isolated than they've ever been there. 43 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,700 Lonelier. They're more socially 44 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:53,000 disconnected. And I'm wondering, you know, as 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,200 you, you know, you were right in this target age group. 46 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:58,100 In range, you've already completed a lot of those years 47 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:01,500 between 13 and 25. How do you see this showing up 48 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:08,100 in your own life? yeah, I mean, I think I mean you 49 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:12,200 still connect with people through technology but it's so 50 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,800 much easier. So if I have the opportunity to 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,900 go out somewhere and do something with people or just 52 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:23,800 message them through my phone, I would choose that just because 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,400 it takes less effort, and in the moment I think they're both 54 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:35,400 equally good ways of connection, but I know in the long run, it 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,800 is not as good at Waiting long lasting relationships as doing 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,000 face-to-face. Yeah, definitely. 57 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,000 Oh, I see what me and so what makes you feel that way, that 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,300 it's not as that, it's useful, but maybe not as conducive to 59 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:52,400 long-term sustainability. I mean, there's only so much you 60 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,600 can communicate and only so deep. 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,000 You can get when you're talking and saying LOL, and using 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,800 emojis. I mean, you know, we have an 63 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,700 acute emojis. Now though, Donna, I do write 64 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,600 the ultimate way to communicate. Yeah. 65 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,700 It's definitely a lot more superficial than face-to-face 66 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:15,600 communication is and it's also more limiting, you know, there 67 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,300 aren't as many opportunities for the conversation to Branch out 68 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:21,399 there are fewer opportunities for new people to join the 69 00:04:21,407 --> 00:04:26,000 conversation and I think that definitely impacts how I connect 70 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,100 personally. It's really interesting that you 71 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,800 brought up this that they're less when you're doing 72 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,600 electronic Communication in a lot of ways. 73 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,800 It's very confined, and constrained, and it leaves less 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,400 room for other people. Going talk about that and why? 75 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,900 That's important. Yeah, so I mean I think everyone 76 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:48,600 is susceptible to this but I definitely can fall into an echo 77 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,100 chamber with who I talk to. And it's good to talk to people 78 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:56,200 that you have common interests with and people, you know, you 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,800 have similar perspectives on the world but that can be really 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,500 limiting for your personal growth. 81 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,500 I think it's important to listen to people who don't think like, 82 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:07,100 you and who aren't interested in what? 83 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,600 You're interested in, hmm? Yeah, it's a really good point. 84 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:12,900 The one of the things when you talk about personal growth, I 85 00:05:12,907 --> 00:05:15,800 mean, you know, the big focus at spring tide is as we say, you 86 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,100 know, the intersection between the sort of religious and daily 87 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,300 lives or inner and outer lives. And you're talking about 88 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:25,700 personal growth here with other people is that it does, that 89 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,300 does that lack of sort of bringing in outside voices? 90 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:31,800 Do you think that has an impact on the development of your 91 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,900 spiritual life? Definitely, definitely 100% And 92 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:41,300 I wish it didn't. But the thing is, once you now 93 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:44,000 that that's the common way that people communicate, it's even 94 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 harder to get away from, you know, technology. 95 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:50,900 I don't think I could just walk into a religious institution 96 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:53,900 that I know nothing about just because I'm curious and, you 97 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:57,800 know, feel comfortable with doing it, but I wish I could 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,800 because it's definitely the way I talk to people. 99 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,900 It definitely Ntly limits, my spiritual growth and I wish it 100 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:10,000 didn't. What do you think would do you 101 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,200 think that you'd be more challenged? 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,500 Or is it that you think you would that you would find 103 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:14,400 something that resonates with you? 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,400 I mean, what do you think? I know that you don't know but 105 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,700 if you're guessing, what do you think that you would be missing? 106 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:23,700 Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't want to 107 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:28,300 necessarily be challenged. I kind of have such a diverse. 108 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:31,500 I, such a hippie perspective on spirituality and I think, I 109 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:35,000 think every religion is great and, you know, amazing and I 110 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,600 don't really want to change anyone's mind. 111 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:40,400 I have my mind changed but I could definitely resonate with 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,600 aspects of religiosity and, you know, every religion and, and I 113 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,400 think that's a really great way to connect with people, and I 114 00:06:50,407 --> 00:06:53,000 feel like I'm missing out on it. Yeah, that's a really good 115 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 point. I think, even back to my own 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,900 college experience is like, I don't know that I like your, 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,700 you're spot-on, like, in the days, you know, I'm not I don't 118 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:05,900 think I'm that old. You may think otherwise but 119 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,400 certainly, I can Collagen like Curry, social media, and those 120 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,400 kinds of things. And the conversations that I 121 00:07:11,407 --> 00:07:14,000 remember having in that very stereotypical, like, around the 122 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,900 dorm room, you know, way that doesn't actually happen all that 123 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:21,400 often anymore, if it ever really did, they weren't so much about 124 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,300 changing people's minds, but you brought this really interesting 125 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:26,000 point that I'd like to talk more about that. 126 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:29,200 There were like aspects of people's religious faith and 127 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,200 practice that I did end up taking into consideration. 128 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,800 Whether it was about how to pray, or how to worship and what 129 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,400 rituals were Tonor how to be intentional and thoughtful that 130 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:41,200 those didn't? It becoming now that I think 131 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,200 about it, rick really important pieces for me. 132 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:48,100 Can you talk more about that? Yeah, definitely I mean I just 133 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,300 think people who are more religious in general, there is 134 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:55,100 this collectivistic attitude about it and I think it's so 135 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,400 amazing that people will have a community and they all have a 136 00:07:58,407 --> 00:08:01,800 similar perspective and they're all there for each other. 137 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 You know, like we all care about each other, you can go to their 138 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,600 house and ask for a cup of sugar if you're making. 139 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Cookies on you ran out of sugar. And I feel like my spirituality 140 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,000 is very individualistic and, you know, that's good in some, in 141 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,400 some ways but but in other ways, I don't like it. 142 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:25,200 I wish I had a community of people who had similar beliefs 143 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,200 to me because, yeah, I don't know. 144 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:30,200 You just need people to fall back on, you know. 145 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Yeah. It's a really lovely way of 146 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,400 saying that I mean and makes me like I want that for you too, 147 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,500 like the right, Unity of people that you can fall back on and 148 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:43,299 and in some ways and this, you know, this that is what concerns 149 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:47,700 me personally about. The these rates of isolation and 150 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:51,800 loneliness, among young people, especially because these are 151 00:08:51,808 --> 00:08:54,100 such formative and important times to be finding those 152 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:55,800 communities of people. And I don't know if they're 153 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,700 well, we know that they're not finding them, all right? 154 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:14,300 You've recently, I mean, within the last few years, anyway, you 155 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:16,600 you transition from high school to college. 156 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,600 How did that impact this? You know, did you find yourself 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,700 like, was it a relief to get out of high school? 158 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:24,000 Or was it like, oh, there's a lot. 159 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,500 There's a loss of community there and I don't know how to 160 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:29,200 replace it. There was no police. 161 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,500 There was a relief because I'm both there's relief, because I 162 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:37,300 was ready, you know, I outgrew the high school experience, but 163 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,200 at the same time it is very comforting to know that I have a 164 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,200 group of friends. And even if we're only friends 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,600 because we're forced to spend eight hours a day together, 166 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:51,000 we're still friends, you know? And you'll still be here 167 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,300 tomorrow and I'll still see you. That was there's a lot of 168 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:58,200 security in that and then in college It's a free-for-all, 169 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,100 there's there's less opportunity to meet people. 170 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:05,100 Schedules are all over the place and you you really have to put 171 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:07,600 in effort if you want to find friends. 172 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:09,400 They don't just fall into your lap. 173 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,200 So that's yeah, that's a really good point. 174 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,200 Like, in some ways it's the least structured Time of Your 175 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,100 Life between this K through 12 education experience. 176 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:20,300 And then for most people if you know obviously not everybody has 177 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:23,400 a gap between K12 education in the workforce and some people 178 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,500 are doing them. Concurrently a lot of people 179 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:26,800 are. In fact, if not East. 180 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:30,600 But but if, but regardless like the notion at some point, you'll 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,100 you'll, you will certainly have a professional job. 182 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,800 You're very bright, and you will have this regular schedule with 183 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,200 colleagues that you see, on a regular basis. 184 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,400 But right now, you're right, like, you are in sort of the 185 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,200 space where every day is, maybe not up for grabs, but it's a lot 186 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,300 less structured, right? And it's when you need people, 187 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:48,900 you know, it's a transitional period and it's, it's really 188 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:51,100 when you need to find P. Even if you just even if you 189 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:54,400 have people who you can just commiserate with, you know, you 190 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,200 don't have those people and it's tough. 191 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,800 Well and not. So one of the things that we 192 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,200 found in the study about you know it's not the study isn't 193 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,100 just about as you know like documenting the rates of 194 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:08,700 loneliness and isolation but then also what can be done about 195 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:14,700 it and as we talked, you know, as I've been around the last 10 196 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:18,900 years or so, doing some research and talking with people who are 197 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:22,300 practitioners in the field, I get a lot of the sense of like, 198 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:23,800 what we have to be doing something more than just 199 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,800 listening. But you know, to young people 200 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,300 like we have to be doing G. We have to be moving them from 201 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,400 one state to another state of religious being or something. 202 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,600 And it kind of sounds like what you're saying is that, at least 203 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:36,400 at this time, in your life, it would be great. 204 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,800 If somebody was just there just sit and listen. 205 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:44,300 Yeah. 100% or even just like, everyone's in the same boat when 206 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:47,800 they go to college and everybody struggling, and everyone's kind 207 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,100 of fused, and I kind of thought everyone being in that boat 208 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:54,500 would sort of form these relationships and it really 209 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:58,700 hasn't, because people just choose to be Confused and lonely 210 00:11:58,700 --> 00:12:01,900 with their phone in their hand. You know what, people need 211 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,400 confused and lonely with their phone in their hand. 212 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,100 That's just such a I mean I think that's such a succinct way 213 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:11,900 of putting it in certain sort of sad and, you know, as you're 214 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:15,200 talking like it strikes. Me that maybe it's like it's 215 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,300 just enough connection, right? To make you keep turning to it 216 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:20,600 but it's not really enough to fill you up. 217 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:23,900 Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. 218 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,300 Well, it's certainly understandable that people. 219 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,700 You know, in those moments that they would say, like well at 220 00:12:28,708 --> 00:12:33,100 least I have this and they would dig further into it even if it 221 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:34,400 doesn't isn't ultimately. The thing. 222 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,600 That's super useful, it sort of means that like adults, who are 223 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:41,100 trying to reach out to young, people would do well to keep 224 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:42,900 pushing for those in-person relationships, huh? 225 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,500 Uh, huh. I think sometimes, I mean, I'm, 226 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:50,500 you know, I'm, I'm a resistant when people who are older than 227 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:54,700 me, you know, sort of tell me what I need sure, if they phrase 228 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:58,200 it like that, me too. And I'm 40 right? 229 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,300 You know, but people that are older than you do. 230 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:04,200 Have a lot of wisdom. And I think it's all about 231 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,700 framing it in the in the right way and persistence and I think, 232 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,200 I think you can get through the young people that way. 233 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:13,200 Yeah. Well it sounds like even maybe 234 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,200 taking a pause on the telling them what to do part and just 235 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,400 sort of listening to what's going on with them, let them 236 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,000 vent to you. Young people have so much to be 237 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,400 sad about and worried about, you know, and they need someone to 238 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Listen and go. Yep, I get it, I get it. 239 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,600 I understand where you're coming from. 240 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000 And, you know, actually, I'm not all that different from you 241 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,700 either. I'm also concerned about that, 242 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:37,900 and I'm also worried about that, and I think that's an important 243 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,400 conversation to have. Yeah, it's like, I'm completely 244 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,400 agree. Well, John, thank you for just 245 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,200 sitting and reflecting with me for a few minutes here on on 246 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,100 belonging the report again is belonging reconnecting America's 247 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:52,800 loneliest Generations. Your work is reflected in the 248 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,700 report and many of the things that we do at spring tide and so 249 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,200 not just Just a thank you for this podcast, but thank you for 250 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,900 all that you've done for us and it's much appreciated. 251 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,300 Thank you very much Josh. It was great talking to you. 252 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,900 Hey folks, John has been one of our amazing interns this past 253 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,400 spring semester. And if you care about the same 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,600 kinds of things, we care about it, spring tide and your college 255 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,200 student. We would love to see an 256 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,800 application from you. 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