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What are we in for today? 
I don't know if you know the 

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name Chris Venance. 
He preached here a little while 

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ago. 
He's the man who planted 

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Glenridge Church in Durban, 
which in turn planted 3 CR 25 

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plus years ago. 
And he preached a while back on 

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Revelations Chapter 2. 
It's the it's a part of 

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revelation where Jesus is 
writing to his bride and he says

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in the you know, he says you've 
done this well, you've done this

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well, you've done this well. 
The one thing that I want to 

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address is that you've lost your
first love. 

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And Chris spoke about how it's 
not that we need to go back to 

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this you know, woman, fuzzy 
googly bear first love of our 

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relationship with our heavenly 
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Because the next verse says 
return to those things you did 

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at 1st. 
And it came as a word that is 

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very much a Plumb line according
to us as a community to hold to 

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that very thing that God 
established this lampstand in 

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the city for. 
And the primary reason why 3CI 

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exists is to be a base church 
and to resource and plant 

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churches. 
And so this morning we don't 

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have a pulpit but we you're 
going to hear the loudest sermon

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you've ever heard in your whole 
entire life because we want you 

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to cap be captivated by the 
culture of three CR. 

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The very reason why God planted 
this lampstand in the city and 

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that is to be a base church that
resources and planted plants 

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churches around the world. 
And for that, I have the 

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privilege of sitting with the 
VVRPS this morning, Jeff and 

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Jane, Kirsten, why don't you 
come up. 

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So we're just going to, we're 
going to cross for traffic 

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report quickly man. 
It is so good to have you here 

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who here by show of hands have 
never met this couple before and

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you look at that. 
Yo. 

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Hello, everyone. 
Well, that's Jeff and that's 

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Jane. 
Why don't you just quickly 

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introduce yourself? 
Jeff introduced Jane the way 

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you've always wanted to 
introduce her. 

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That's. 
So cool. 

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Well, should be on. 
There we go. 1/2 I love that I 

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haven't met so many of you. 
This is why we were this is the 

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only, this is the reason we were
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And this is on my journey with 
Jesus, the Most Gracious. 

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I know he gave me salvation and 
the cross and all that stuff, 

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but then he gave me Jane. 
I don't know if it's an upgrade 

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or part of it or like it's part 
of the package, but it's an 

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upgrade on me. 
Yes, but I can't give an upgrade

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on the on the cross. 
But I want to tell you I'll say 

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something today. 
But you can listen to this lady,

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because she is the most gracious
gift that has ever been given to

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me. 
But also, I believe, one of the 

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gracious gifts of God to this 
church. 

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She was an important so I 
married her into the church. 

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But I don't think any of you, 
even those who know her, will 

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never know the powerful woman 
that she is because of what she 

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can carry. 
And I just want to say to you 

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like I want to ask you, not 
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because I think she carries the 
DNA on three CR. 

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Could you open up your hearts to
what God's done in her and wants

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to do through her? 
Beautiful. 

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She's. 
Done it for days. 

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Can we just in the lights a 
little, Jamie, do the same. 

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And then also tell us about your
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OK, come on. 
There we go. 

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Yeah. 
So we have three beautiful 

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children. 
Taylor, Travis and Kylie. 

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Taylor and Trevor sitting in the
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Just raise your hands, guards. 
I won't get you to stand. 

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OK, here we go. 
But and then Kylie was Adam as 

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she's going down to Super City 
today which is, yeah, maybe 

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she'll come back. 
We don't know. 

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That's yeah, the the kids are 
they're amazing. 

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They are literally the Champions
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They have gone through the most 
insane challenges and 

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difficulties and they have 
overcome so many things and they

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have come out flying. 
I mean we are incredibly, 

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incredibly proud of them and 
it's you know, whenever you do 

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an international move or any 
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challenges. 
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as parents you worry about your 
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What are they going to, you 
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them? 
How are they going to respond? 

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And it wasn't easy at all. 
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being our children and just what
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gone through. 
But they have come out flying 

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and they are incredible. 
So take us to the beginning. 

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How did you guys know that you 
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wanted to plant a church? 
So the moment of like knowing 

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we're going to plant in Lisbon, 
it's probably at the end of the 

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journey, like now it's done. 
That was the end of the journey.

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I think it was probably we both 
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where the gospel got hold of us.
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intellectual world, and 
especially because we're all 

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exposed to so much media and 
availability to the gospel, in 

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some ways we can take hold of 
the gospel, but for us, the 

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gospel got hold of us. 
It got hold of us at a young 

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age, and then we came into three
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that was just the taste. 
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us, the Kingdom of God, when 
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Kingdom is at hand. 
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Once we built, it was like there
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this church that got hold of us,
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existed for others. 
I remember clearly on that 

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corner of the property where 
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Grant asked him. 
Who leads the bridge? 

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George who leads Highway The 
three of us stood at the bottom 

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there with Nick Davis who was 
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And Nick looked up at this 
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It was just long grass, a pigsty
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little pump house and a 
farmhouse that was full of 

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termite hills inside the house 
and it was pink and some strange

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humans living inside of it and I
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And we stood there and Nick 
looked over the land and he 

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said, let's build an army to 
change the world. 

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Let's let's what? 
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He said, let's build an army 
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nations. 
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hold of me even more. 
I I remember clearly we were 

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looking up at the grass. 
He said, let's build an army 

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that'll take, they'll take the 
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And so I think there was a, 
there was something that stirred

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inside of me. 
I think we got married. 

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We there was a people were 
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that we would plant a church. 
There was an excitement and a 

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fear, but essentially I think 
what got us to the point was we 

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learnt that you don't plant a 
church because it needs to 

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happen. 
You plant a church because God 

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is prepared to humans. 
And we realized there's a lot of

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preparation. 
And so how did we know we called

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plant a church. 
How did it happen? 

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Well, I got welcomed in like a 
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this church. 
The church was smaller than this

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group of people on the stage at 
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And at that moment, God just 
infused his mission into my 

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heart and he got hold of us and 
he shook us and that's how we 

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planted a church. 
So by the time I walked into 

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Rory's office and it all just 
happened, we had said yes to 

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loving our friends in this 
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We had said yes to older couple 
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I didn't really know that 
someone said, well don't you 

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want to go visit them once a 
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I said yes to leading a lot, 
many life groups. 

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I said yes to leading the youth 
when there was no leader, but he

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said yes to starting a a student
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He said yes to and then we were 
petrified and said yes to coming

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onto eldership, and we just said
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And so when God spoke, He had 
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say yes, and I think He built 
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It was just the next natural 
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Sure. 
So who raised it first? 

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Yeah. 
So it actually it happened at 

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the beginning of 2019 where the 
the first mention of Lisbon came

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about and that was Dan and 
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And Starla is Ashley Bell's 
daughter who planted through CR 

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and we were having lunch with 
them after having been here for 

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a meeting and and out of the 
blue, I mean it was the most 

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random thing anyone could ever 
say. 

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I mean, we're talking about, I 
don't know, children and 

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something else and whatever 
cheer bites of bread. 

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What we were eating, I don't 
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left wing when she said she just
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stopped and she's like, have you
ever thought of planting a 

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church in Lisbon? 
And we're just like Lisbon, 

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where is that? 
And she actually didn't know 

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that. 
So I'm half, 40 years, but my 

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family comes from the island of 
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And so I've never been to 
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I'd never been to Lisbon, but 
I'd been to Madeira very often 

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to see my family and Star didn't
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And and that actually is more 
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I'm not going anywhere near 
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Not because I didn't, you know, 
it was just, it was so different

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with the culture, so different. 
I wasn't raised Portuguese, I 

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don't speak the language. 
It was just, but I had the 

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passport and so did our kids and
and so we left that thought 

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completely like we were. 
We left that conversation. 

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We were like, there's no way, 
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We're not going to, we're not 
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We laughed about. 
We'd just bought our home like 

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we were here. 
We were on team. 

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We'd yeah, we were going into a 
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Yeah. 
And and then it just didn't stop

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two months later. 
There's too many things to tell 

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right now of how God spoke to us
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and at the same time, it wasn't 
just us that he was speaking to.

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And I think that was what was so
beautiful is it was a collective

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of people. 
It was it's where that scripture

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says it's it was good between US
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Ru and Mao felt something. 
I mean, there were so many 

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others that came with us that 
had their own stories, that of 

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remarkable, remarkable things, 
of how God opened up Portugal 

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for them to come so. 
So the first whisper in 2019, 

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you're in Portugal in 2020. 
I wonder where you're going to 

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be. 
You're going to. 

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It's the This is why we've 
stopped everything for this 

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because we are trusting that God
awakens something of this call 

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of three CR in our midst. 
Bloom Fontaine is calling. 

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OK, so you started just as 
lockdown started. 

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Hey, what is the first year like
locked up in a foreign country? 

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Well, your. 
Firstly, I mean, S Africans, 

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come on, we are brave people. 
People. 

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We have been through a lot. 
And so when we heard the 

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rumblings of COVID, we're like, 
Nah, seen nothing. 

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Europe, we've seen it all. 
So we were very like, yeah, we 

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were brave. 
That's not going to hit. 

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We were brave for a for a short 
while very confident for a short

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while and then it hits but it's 
it doesn't matter thing because 

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to be honest I don't know how we
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That guy you mentioned Chris 
Vena and said he knew of at 

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least 40 or 50 church plants at 
the same period as us and not 

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one of them decided to carry 
through the all just went back 

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to where they came from. 
So that's that idea like that's 

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scarier to look and I'll 
probably just pride inside of me

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and need to prove something. 
I don't know. 

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But it's that South African 
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And and I got to say I think 
Covid's a good example because 

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everywhere we go in the world 
you find South Africans leading 

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churches. 
And I just thought I don't want 

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us to be the last generation of.
So that's that learned to say 

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yes when the rest of the world 
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And and there was something to 
that COVID came and it was like 

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COVID was in our face and it was
almost like a taunting. 

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Are you the last. 
Was that the last generation of 

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South Africans to be bold, to be
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people that believe the father. 
And I was like no like. 

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No. 
It became, it became and she was

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like, maybe, yes, we're the weak
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No, but. 
Did you ever did you ever think 

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of packing it in? 
Over the last few years even. 

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Was it hard? 
Was it the worst season of our 

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life? 
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Absolutely. 
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But that's the thing. 
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Jane were trying to do anything 
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something for the Kingdom. 
I meet lots of young people who 

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want to do something amazing for
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wait for them to get over it. 
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realized they're part of 
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in Lisbon, that he had a heart 
for those people, that Isaiah 

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4243, that section of scripture 
was very, very much part of this

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church plant. 
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me and I will bring my sons and 
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east, the South and the West. 
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well, on a day with hundreds of 
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And I just said there was a Day 
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streets of Lisbon and God said, 
I want you to plant a church 

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here. 
I said, But that same day he was

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busy working in your lives and 
orchestrating that you would be 

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here. 
So I don't know which of those 

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calls, which of those moments, 
which of those whispers was more

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important. 
I actually think yours was 

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because I could be like speaking
to an empty room, but actually 

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God's busy building an army of 
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nations, like, like, what's his 
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Nick Davis said. 
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middle of COVID, we realized 
we're not trying to accomplish 

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anything. 
God's busy doing something. 

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He's going to do it. 
He's got a role for us to play 

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for a season in the life of this
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And it's like, it is almost like
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It wasn't a taunt and it's just 
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be someone else? 
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realise, when we realise we 
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so huge and global in what he's 
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history of the church. 
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And so I think that it ties into
like this wasn't a decision from

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Jeff and Jane. 
This is a life. 

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This is a we learned to hear, we
watched people, and then we 

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realised, like we can do no 
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He got hold of us, the gospel 
got hold of us. 

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So we were just like, on this 
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of crazy people. 
So tell us. 

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Tell us about Freedom City. 
How's she doing? 

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We hear such good reports. 
We have people coming back with 

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bunches and bunches of grapes. 
Tell us some stories. 

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You can get tissue. 
No, it's honestly what God is 

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doing is absolutely mind blowing
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That's the first thing. 
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over the world in very, very 
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reject it because you think it's

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not in the packaging that you 
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been taught or the way we we see
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And and so we have met the most 
incredible people, the most 

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remarkable people, but also the 
most lost and the most broken 

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and the most far from God people
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I mean, we're talking 
witchcraft, tarot cards, spells,

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crystals, psychedelic drugs, 
orgies, you name it. 

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We've seen it all. 
We've heard it all. 

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It's just we haven't watched 
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But well, not, I mean we saw one
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and just close the windows. 
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I mean it's it's it's so 
different that it's hard to 

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describe, but the people are 
beautiful. 

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The people are incredible, and 
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They don't know God. 
The majority do not know God at 

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all. 
You do not meet a Christian on 

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the street. 
You do not hear a prayer parade 

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in a restaurant. 
It it isn't like, yeah, there 

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are so many churches all over 
the place that are full on 

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Sundays. 
There are churches all over the 

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place but they're empty and 
they're ancient and but yet 

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something is happening and there
is rumbles all over the place, 

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the Catholic Church included. 
It's like unbelievable what 

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we're seeing. 
So we've yeah we've there's so 

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many stories I don't even know 
if we. 

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OK so I have a a dear friend. 
Well, she's a dear friend now 

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and we met her through Jeff, one
of the the, so Portugal kind of 

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did lockdowns differently. 
Things were never fully closed 

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for long periods of time. 
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certain period of time, then 
they would open up and then we 

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just had a whole bunch of 
regulations we had to adhere to.

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locked down again for when it 

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got tough again. 
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period of like open, close, 
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and Jeff would go and just sit 
in a coffee shop and work and 

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and one day a guy from the UK 
was sitting across him and he he

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just happened to say to Jeff, 
hey, I I like your kicks, which 

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Rory had given to to to Jeff his
shoes and and and just like, oh,

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cool, you know, and then they 
kind of got chatting and 

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whatever and then he he asked 
you what you did. 

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I was tired. 
Of making. 

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A story. 
And Jeff was very tired of, of 

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telling your stories about like 
kind of the long way round so 

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that we didn't get sworn at all,
you know, told that we were 

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there to steal people's money 
and hurt their children and all 

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those crazy things. 
And so So he he, he started a 

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conversation. 
He just blurted out like, you 

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know, maybe you should tell that
part of the story because. 

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I I said I'll try and explain 
stuff. 

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And I was like, we're planning a
Christian Church, but it's like 

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we're having a conversation 
across the coffee shop, so 

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there's people in between US. 
And then he swore at me across 

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the people and then I carried 
on. 

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He carried on and then 
eventually he came and sat next 

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to me. 
He's like tell me more and we 

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started chatting and he's like, 
I hate I I want, I want nothing 

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to do with Christianity and 
stuff. 

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I just find it interesting that 
you can be that dumb. 

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So I want to find out why. 
So anyway everyone's listening 

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to our conversation. 
Long story short we became 

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really, really good friends. 
He was big in the music industry

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and we. 
I eventually invited him over 

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for dinner and said bring your 
girlfriend with. 

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So so we meet her and she is 
honestly, I mean immediately we 

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connect but not on like any 
other level than other than just

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kind of we just connected on on 
friendship level. 

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And anyway it's it's a long 
story but basically by the end 

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of the evening she was crying 
and Jeff had been explaining how

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like just marriage because 
marriage is such a foreign thing

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to a lot of people and 
especially the kind of way we do

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it and and they've been asking 
us because they were dating and 

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and yeah they just got asking 
questions around how does he see

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me and and all that and the next
minute she's just sobbing and 

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sobbing and sobbing and sobbing.
Anyway, Long story short. 

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Basically he moves across the 
table for the distances himself.

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He couldn't handle the the 
pressure. 

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And she went back and then just 
said to him, listen, what is 

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this relationship like? 
What is this like? 

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We're living together. 
Like I can't do this if it 

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doesn't mean it's going to end 
in that. 

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And and so anyway, they broke up
and she gave her life to Jesus 

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about six months later at on 
Christmas Day and she has been 

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radically, radically 
transformed. 

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I mean, absolutely. 
She's one of our worship leaders

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now. 
She's leading our dinner, one of

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our dinner parties. 
She is just she's become such a 

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dear friend and she doesn't look
the part of a Christian girl. 

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And so she has experienced 
incredible rejection and even 

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within Christian circles and 
people that she's now met and 

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and and she often refers to 
herself as the woman at the wall

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and and how God redeemed her and
he has he has redeemed her and 

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we will fight for her. 
We love her. 

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We will no matter what she looks
like. 

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No matter what she says like we 
love her so much. 

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And she has been so transformed 
over the three years that we've 

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known her to the point now where
I mean she's leading others to 

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God. 
She is just, it's absolutely 

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amazing what's happened with her
life. 

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I hear, Rubens, that your 
worship leader got saved at 

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Freedom City. 
Is that right? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So Mitesh also Mitesh got sent 
the song Waymaker by someone 

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else in our community and and he
was running down the promenade 

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listening to it because he loves
music down by the river and the 

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next minute he just felt this 
overwhelming presence of God and

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he ran literally straight to 
death. 

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He was at the the venue where we
meet and he just ran in and he 

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just slammed the table down like
this is I believe, I believe, I 

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believe. 
And he was a complete atheist, 

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hated the church, hated 
Christians, hated any form of 

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institution and he was radically
transformed. 

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Loves music, loves people, loves
food, everything that we honour 

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about. 
And he just him, his whole 

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family, they've got a little 
little boy now and oh, it's just

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incredible to see this. 
Guy had one story so it's just 

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the well, I could tell you so 
many stories and I could tell 

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you about a Danish man that was 
on a 25 year journey looking for

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God. 
He sold his business, 

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Distinguished Danish Man on a 
journey around the world, living

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with shaman, living in caves, 
living in temples, living every 

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part of the world, looking for 
God. 

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His last stop before his kids 
had his children, had kids was a

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Lisbon, his last stop. 
He sat on a couch like this and 

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he just said I still haven't 
found God and he heard an 

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audible voice say how long. 
I won't mention his name but I 

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just the stories are sacred and 
it's like how long will you keep

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running from me all the way and 
who are you? 

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He said my name is Jesus so he's
googled. 

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Jesus came up with obviously all
sorts of weird things on the on 

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the Internet and so he thought, 
I don't know how to. 

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So he said Jesus in Lisbon and 
we had just finished doing a 

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YouTube series called Jesus in 
Lisbon and he watched every 

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single episode. 
So one day I got to church and 

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this very distinguished man 
walks up to me and he says good 

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day Jeff. 
This is my name, I'm part of 

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your church. 
I know everything. 

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I said, do I know you? 
He said no. 

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But I know everything about you,
all your stories. 

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TV Evangelists I. 
Was freaked out and he went 

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downstairs and we were starting 
a series in the book of Jonah. 

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And I said before we start this 
series, I want to ask you one 

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question. 
So I don't know any of this yet.

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I said how long will you keep 
running from God. 

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He just as you this 
distinguished branches broke and

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it's like we have hundreds and 
hundreds and hundreds of 

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stories, most of them with 
people that have never been into

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the church. 
I can tell you about the cafe 

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and how people have come in and 
none of them are Christians. 

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And sitting on the couch, a girl
asking this girl saying, I know 

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you won't know this, but do you 
know anyone who might know who 

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might know where to find Jesus? 
An Australian girl asks this and

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she says I found him, I can, I 
can show you anywhere. 

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And then she says no, I I found 
I bought this book that that 

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they call the Bible. 
She's like really? 

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You got one? 
She pulls it out of her bag. 

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It's this big purple thing. 
She was like, where did you get 

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that? 
She says I have to order it in 

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Germany because you can't get 
Bibles in Portugal in English. 

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And so she says that's my Bible 
and she pulls it out. 

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She the exact same Bible, same 
colour from the same supplier in

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Germany that ordered it in the 
same week that didn't even know 

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each other. 
It's like, I can tell you story 

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after story after story after 
story about it's like just 

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seeing these baptisms. 
We've had that many people in 

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the last two months fly from 
other countries, buy 

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international tickets to fly to 
Lisbon to be baptized in this 

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church because they met Jesus on
holiday in Lisbon or they met 

451
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,440
him in their period that they 
were living in Lisbon because 

452
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840
it's super transient, like half 
our church won't be living in 

453
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,520
our city probably in the next 
four months to six months. 

454
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,760
So it's like it's a very 
different dynamic. 

455
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,840
It's hard because of that, but 
the reality is people are 

456
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,480
meeting Jesus for the first 
time. 

457
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,000
And because they're meeting him,
they then go back. 

458
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,040
And we had, we had a girl fly 
from Barcelona. 

459
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,800
She was moving to India. 
She said I have to be baptized 

460
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,880
before. 
It's a crazy story. 

461
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,480
I won't get into of how she knew
she had to get baptized and she 

462
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,800
flew. 
She had one day left. 

463
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,440
She flew from Barcelona to 
Lisbon. 

464
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,040
Duncan baptized a whole bunch of
our guys. 

465
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,440
A girl flew last two weeks ago. 
She flew from Norway to be 

466
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,520
baptized because I met her in 
the coffee shop and it's like we

467
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,920
had people fly from Germany. 
A couple who also went on this 

468
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320
new age journey and we were in 
Bali and they found a Bible and 

469
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840
they started reading it. 
They read the whole thing on 

470
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,600
holiday. 
They came to Lisbon on the way 

471
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,920
back to Germany, the first time 
they ever walked into a church 

472
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,680
on Easter last year, Easter 
last, that that meeting that you

473
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,720
watched, there was the was the 
meeting that they were at. 

474
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,560
And they just wept and wept and 
wept. 

475
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,920
I walked them off to us and said
what's going on? 

476
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,800
And they said we read about it, 
but now we've seen it. 

477
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,000
They've never seen anything like
this. 

478
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,720
So I can tell you about people 
that are flying international 

479
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,880
tickets and then they flew back 
from Germany to be baptized. 

480
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,920
It's just people are flying in 
to be baptized. 

481
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,480
And yeah, there's a pool right 
there and no one in Pretoria has

482
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,240
to go anywhere to find Jesus 
because of 3C high. 

483
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,360
And I was like, this is radical.
You don't realize what we've got

484
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,080
because the whole of Europe 
doesn't have this and. 

485
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,640
So, so if you were to look at 
your church, guesstimate how 

486
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,240
many of them were saved into the
church versus how many of them 

487
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040
came already as born again 
believers. 

488
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
But where would you land that 
slider? 

489
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320
It's so hard because of the 
transient nature, but I'd say 

490
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,640
more than half. 
More than half getting saved in 

491
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,200
the. 
Church. 

492
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Yeah, something was still being 
saved. 

493
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,680
Ashley Bell, we planted this 
church, had a phrase I'll never 

494
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,680
forget, he said. 
People are waiting on the other 

495
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,520
side of your obedience, and on 
behalf of three CR and the 

496
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160
elders and all your friends, I 
want to say thank you. 

497
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Thank you for being obedient, 
because people are waiting on 

498
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,360
the other side of your obedience
as people are waiting on the 

499
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,760
other side of ours. 
In closing, how can we how can 

500
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,240
we get behind you guys as a 
couple? 

501
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,880
How can we get behind your 
family? 

502
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,800
And how can we get behind the 
church? 

503
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Is there something you're going 
like? 

504
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Yo, if you can send us 100 
people a month to do that, tell 

505
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:59,360
us so. 
I mean, we always need prayer, 

506
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,920
so Please remember us in your 
prayers. 

507
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,880
But actually a story comes to 
mind. 

508
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,720
A few years ago, Jeff and a 
couple of the elders got to go 

509
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,360
into the Sunnyside to see the 
underworld, and they spoke to a 

510
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,320
police officer there who wasn't 
a Christian. 

511
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,680
And I mean everything inside of 
the guy's hearts. 

512
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,200
We like, how can we help? 
How can we, how can we get 

513
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,680
behind what you're doing? 
How can we make trafficking go 

514
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
away or the drug scene go away 
or whatever and all? 

515
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,960
She said. 
She said if you can just carry 

516
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:38,920
on loving Jesus, loving people 
and keeping people from becoming

517
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680
the problem that are causing the
problems, the human problem, the

518
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,720
the, the, the human decay. 
If you can, if you can teach 

519
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,080
people the truth, the the ways 
of God, this is an unbeliever 

520
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,840
speaking, she said. 
Because that changes, That 

521
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,080
changes the the, the demand. 
It changes everything. 

522
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,760
And I think what I would love to
say is that actually what we 

523
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:08,920
need is people to to continue to
be radical for Jesus, because it

524
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,080
doesn't matter where you are, 
God will God. 

525
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560
God is busy. 
And I know that's not a direct 

526
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280
thing to us. 
I'm talking very broadly here, 

527
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,400
but I think it does have a 
ripple effect because everyone 

528
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680
of you knows someone in Europe. 
Everyone of you knows someone 

529
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880
here, even that God is working 
in their lives. 

530
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080
And I think if we can just 
remain in a place of freedom, if

531
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,960
we can remain in a place where 
we know that we are accepted and

532
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,680
we are redeemed, and then we can
be secure in who we are and 

533
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,600
authentic and real in who we 
are, and then just love people, 

534
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,480
it will have an exponential 
ripple effect. 

535
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320
And I think that's our greatest 
cry, is actually that people 

536
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
will really love one another in 
our church. 

537
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,400
And because it's it's one thing 
to say it like I love you. 

538
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,920
But when you're confronted with 
someone who doesn't look like 

539
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360
you want them to look and you 
think you need to fix them or 

540
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760
you or they speak in a certain 
way. 

541
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,800
And it's not fitting your 
paradigm or there's a a conflict

542
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
or there's an offence and you 
need to forgive. 

543
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,480
And it's very easy to say I love
people but when it comes to the 

544
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,600
nitty gritty, it's not easy. 
And so that's what we're 

545
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,240
trusting for is that people get 
a radical, radical revelation of

546
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:31,000
the love of God, Jeff. 
If yeah, if you had to leave us 

547
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,280
with a charge, what would that 
be? 

548
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,520
I'm thinking of the 400 people 
who just joined today. 2 1/2 

549
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,360
thousand that are part of the 
furniture. 

550
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,280
You say something. 
To the. 400, yeah, I think. 

551
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,680
I see a hospital pass here to 
Jane. 

552
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,400
That's what's happening. 
I think again, it's that, it's 

553
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,800
that thing of becoming secure, 
becoming a son and daughter of 

554
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,040
God firstly and then the house, 
this home, this place. 

555
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,080
When you become family, there 
should be a freedom to make 

556
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,760
mistakes. 
There should be a freedom to be 

557
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,840
yourself. 
There should be. 

558
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,760
But then there's also that that 
time where the children grow up 

559
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,360
and they start to take 
responsibility and they they 

560
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,880
started to to move into the 
things of God and to partner 

561
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
with him and what he's doing. 
And and I think as as people 

562
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,800
coming into this church, don't 
let it just be a dutiful Sunday 

563
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Sunday attendance. 
Let it be something that. 

564
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,040
And the church is way more than 
just these walls and this 

565
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,840
building. 
The church is everywhere. 

566
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,160
It's everywhere you are. 
The church is and and so carry 

567
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400
the gospel. 
Carry the message of of the 

568
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Kingdom with you and and and and
really let God change you. 

569
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Let God just move through 
everything in your life and and 

570
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,400
and and redeem you. 
Yeah, I'd. 

571
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Say this place, this place is 
amazing. 

572
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Look at this building. 
It's like this place is amazing.

573
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,400
This church is incredible. 
Like, I trust the leaders of 

574
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,720
this church with my life, with 
my children's lives. 

575
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,560
I trust Freedom City with this 
church. 

576
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,040
We don't feel like Jeff and Jane
Brenton planted a church, 3 CR 

577
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,760
planted a church, and we just 
see it as an extension of this 

578
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,640
there. 
We feel like it's one church in 

579
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,120
some ways. 
And I'll say that because as 

580
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,720
amazing as this is, if you're a 
consumer in this place, you're 

581
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,000
going to get bored quickly. 
Even in such amazing place, 

582
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,280
you're going to get bored. 
You're going to get up to 

583
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,440
nonsense because you're going to
get bored. 

584
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,840
But if you're a contributor, it 
is so much more exciting to be 

585
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200
part of the contribution of 
God's forward momentum in 

586
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,640
something as exciting as this. 
And then you start to be part of

587
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,680
it. 
You get pulled into it. 

588
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,440
And like that thing that I 
started with where the gospel 

589
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880
takes hold of you, that's 
uncontrollable, Then you find 

590
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,600
yourself in places with people 
that you never dreamed possible.

591
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,840
You find yourself doing things 
that you like in the scripture 

592
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,200
said. 
You go before kings, and you 

593
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,560
find yourself saying things that
you never thought possible, 

594
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,120
doing things you never dreamt 
of. 

595
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,480
They're beyond your dreams. 
And so I want to say to you, 

596
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,080
like, don't be a consumer in 
this place, be a contributor in 

597
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,200
any little way, like I said, of 
our own lives, towards the step 

598
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,560
of obedience of saying yes to 
God, like any little place, 

599
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760
inconvenience, silly, just do 
it. 

600
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Just say yes. 
I want to also just say to those

601
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,000
of you who have been here for a 
long time, the whole journey of 

602
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280
God with his people. 
We don't have to look far 

603
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,520
through the book of Exodus. 
The whole journey of God with 

604
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,440
his people is that he takes them
and he says, OK, we're going to 

605
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,480
do this. 
We're going to run away from 

606
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Egypt. 
And then I'm like, the Red Sea 

607
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,920
is going to open like this, and 
this is what's going to happen. 

608
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960
And then they think, OK, cool, 
we know how God works. 

609
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640
And so Nick Davis leads this 
church. 

610
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,000
One or two other people lead the
church. 

611
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,440
We see the goodness of God. 
I walked into that and I'm like,

612
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,200
OK, I know how God works. 
The problem is the next time God

613
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,520
works, he doesn't do the same 
thing. 

614
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,720
And things start to change. 
And so we have to walk with God.

615
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,720
We don't have to walk. 
We can't create a picture of 

616
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,320
what God's doing and then serve 
that picture. 

617
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,920
He's not serving that picture. 
The Holy Spirit is moving 

618
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,120
forward and he's taking a people
on a journey. 

619
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,280
And so if you've been here for a
while, you think you know how 

620
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,440
God's working in this church. 
You think you know the DNA of 

621
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,000
this church, how God, no, no, 
no. 

622
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,639
He's never going to work the 
same again. 

623
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,280
And so when God decides to take 
another step, now it's going to 

624
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,199
be the Jordan, then it's going 
to be this, then we're going to 

625
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,000
go over a mountain. 
And you're like, why a mountain?

626
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,800
What's up with these leaders? 
Why they're taking us over a 

627
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,960
mountain? 
Last time we just walked through

628
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,320
a Red Sea. 
It's like, could you walk with 

629
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,199
Jesus? 
Could you open your eyes? 

630
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,159
The criticism of the people was 
that you have eyes but you do 

631
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:34,760
not see. 
You have ears but you do not 

632
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,080
hear. 
The people of God always felt 

633
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,960
trapped saying we want a king 
not a priest and it's like no 

634
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,159
God's given. 
You priests, people that would 

635
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,239
hear the voice of God lead you 
in a direction. 

636
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,400
I want to say to you that have 
been here for a while, could you

637
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,199
also, You're the whispers of 
God. 

638
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,320
Could you realize that when God 
moves differently to how he has 

639
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,840
in the past, this is the most 
exciting season that this church

640
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,760
has ever walked into. 
And it's like you're about to 

641
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,920
enter into something. 
You're one more step closer to 

642
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
the promised land Kevin and 
Carolina are serving today. 

643
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,800
I saw that lanyard over there 
over their necks. 

644
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,560
I saw them carrying stuff. 
And I just thought, well done 

645
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520
for saying yes again and again 
and again. 

646
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,120
And Tim Gillis says this. 
You, you have to cross the 

647
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,480
betrayal barrier of moving from 
the past successes into the 

648
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,520
future victories that God has 
for you, these battles that he 

649
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,640
has for you. 
And if God, if Nick Davis was 

650
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,560
right on that corner saying 
let's train up an army of 

651
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
people, that'll take the good 
news of the gospel to the 

652
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,320
nations, you're going to cross 
many betrayal barriers and say, 

653
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680
I have to say yes to God often 
and you have to sit next to 

654
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,280
someone, you're going to have to
inconvenience yourself. 

655
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,480
The real hero, as Jane said it. 
I can tell you all the stories, 

656
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:51,160
but those two kids over there, 
Kylie's amazing, but she'll do 

657
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,960
anything fun. 
Those guys, they didn't choose 

658
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:05,080
it, but they're choosing it and 
they're saying yes and we did 

659
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,240
everything wrong that parents 
shouldn't do by doing this. 

660
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,240
And they have had no sleep for 4
1/2 years and they have been 

661
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,480
inconvenienced. 
And they've. 

662
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,080
But they are strong. 
They can carry anything. 

663
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,200
And I'm telling you when I look 
around, even in our church, the 

664
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,640
children look weak compared to 
them. 

665
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,840
And I want to say to your 
parents, do not, do not forfeit 

666
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,560
your kids inheritance because of
the inconvenience or causes for 

667
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,680
you. 
You know how inconvenient it is 

668
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,960
for us to like for have crying 
kids because they're tired? 

669
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,600
You know how inconvenient it's 
been to make our kids do things 

670
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,120
and feel like a a bad parent? 
Because parenting styles have 

671
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,480
changed and we still want to 
stick to biblical truths and to 

672
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,360
follow Jesus when he says follow
me and to keep doing that, but 

673
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,120
I'll keep doing it because it's 
made them stronger. 

674
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,400
And like parents don't want to 
say, like, don't steal the 

675
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,200
inheritance because it's easier 
for you to stick to rhythms and 

676
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,840
do this and make sure we never 
inconvenienced and stretched 

677
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,920
because they the ones that will 
suffer. 

678
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,480
And look around the church world
today, young people want to be 

679
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,560
part of something great, but 
they don't want to carry the 

680
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,960
responsibility. 
And I'm like, let us not be the 

681
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,800
cause of another generation that
will not carry responsibility 

682
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,800
because we protected them too 
much. 

683
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Sorry, that was like that's. 
Very good. 

684
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Very good. 
I know you've asked for prayer, 

685
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,880
but in closing, can we ask for 
prayer? 

686
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,440
You know, you see in scripture 
the laying on of hands where 

687
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:52,360
this impartation of a gift. 
And I can I ask you, would you, 

688
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,000
would you pray for us? 
Would you stretch out your 

689
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
hands? 
Something of this fire that 

690
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,840
you've found that's been forged 
in the nations would come upon 

691
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,600
us, upon this church, upon her 
call, upon her role and 

692
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,520
responsibility in the city and 
in the nations, and then rules 

693
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:20,280
going to close. 
Lord, we want to say like David,

694
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,200
we want to say with fear and 
trembling. 

695
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Yeah, we are. 
Lord, send us, send us into 

696
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,240
three CI. 
Send us amongst the people. 

697
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,400
Send us into the rattling 
hearts. 

698
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,200
Send us into the lonely. 
Send us to the children of this 

699
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,800
Church. 
Lord, send us in prayer. 

700
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Send us into the city of 
Pretoria. 

701
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,640
Send us into this nation that 
desperately needs hope. 

702
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,960
And then, Lord, send us into the
nations that are barren and 

703
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,960
bare. 
Lord, 45 church plants in Lisbon

704
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,400
in the last four years and 44 
are closed, Lord, because cities

705
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,880
are waiting, desperately waiting
for the hope of Jesus to come. 

706
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,840
They're not waiting for 
institutions. 

707
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,480
They're waiting for love, for 
people to be loved. 

708
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,440
And I pray in this church, as I 
know the leaders of this church 

709
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,280
have pointed everyone in this 
building towards the Father in 

710
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,480
heaven that loves dearly. 
I pray that that love would 

711
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480
permeate in our hearts. 
I pray, Father, that not only 

712
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,240
would we get a grasp of who you 
are, not only would we start to 

713
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,560
understand how you work, but I 
pray the gospel would take hold 

714
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640
of us, Lord, The Kingdom of God 
that is forcefully advancing 

715
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,440
would take hold of our hearts, 
Lord, that we could do no other.

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,960
That we would find ourselves 
taking steps of faith in our in 

717
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280
our jobs, taking steps of faith 
in our families there, taking 

718
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,960
steps of faith in our 
relationships. 

719
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,000
Lord, because we can do no 
other. 

720
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:52,760
I pray that you would take hold 
of us. 

721
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,560
A ruggedness would beset this 
Church, Lord. 

722
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,560
An abandonment of our own 
possessions, an abandonment of 

723
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,440
our own ideas and plans would 
take hold of us, Lord, where 

724
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,760
there's something greater that 
takes hold of us. 

725
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,560
Something that demands more but 
gives us the delight of our 

726
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,160
souls. 
I pray that you would come over 

727
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,920
to this Church, that you would 
love these people in a way that 

728
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,160
changes their decision making. 
I pray that this church would 

729
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,160
always be a place like it is 
right now that sows into the 

730
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,640
nations, that the nations of 
this world will be blessed 

731
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,600
before you come back with love, 
with generosity, with faith, 

732
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,680
with with people of peace. 
And I pray God that you would 

733
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:44,000
raise up men and women in this 
place with fire in their eyes 

734
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,240
and a burning belly, saying I 
can do no other Jesus name. 

735
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:05,860
I'm not sure if Andres and Zeli 
also here. 

736
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:07,460
Are you here this morning? 
And they come morning and 

737
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:09,340
sometimes evening? 
Are they here? 

738
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:15,560
Andres and Zeli, Where are you? 
Zeli, What are you? 

739
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,960
Anisa Kan yose na kani Zeli 
Sini. 

740
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Where vaaz Zeli says da komisa 
ko ko Zeli. 

741
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,320
I just want you to to look at 
become Satya Zeli. 

742
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,040
But next to Mel just put your 
hand, your the camera on Jeff's 

743
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:50,040
right arm and Jane's left arm. 
Just put that there come Satya 

744
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,720
Zeli. 
You know what those mocks are? 

745
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:04,480
You know them. 
You think we will just sit here 

746
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,800
and think like a really radical 
couple counting for God? 

747
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120
And they like, they dress trendy
and they're all tattooed up. 

748
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:22,080
And it's it's really cool. 
But Zelle's gonna tell you what 

749
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:30,080
those tattoos mean. 
Oh, let me just stand here with 

750
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:38,760
you. 
OK, so seven years ago, this 

751
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:45,880
beautiful couple had the 
privilege of receiving a baby 

752
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,360
with Down syndrome, not knowing 
what it meant, scared of what 

753
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,520
the future holds. 
And God chose them to be the 

754
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,520
parents. 
And he chose those two kids to 

755
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,200
be the siblings of an 
incredible, incredible gift. 

756
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:12,680
And this statue, it's 3 arrows 
showing up and it it means the 

757
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200
lucky few. 
It's a symbol of the lucky few, 

758
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:24,880
and it resembles parents 
worldwide who are lucky to have 

759
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,400
a child in their homes with Down
syndrome. 

760
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:43,120
So and it's just incredible how 
the world looks at kids and 

761
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:50,840
people with Down syndrome and 
God wants to change that and and

762
00:43:50,840 --> 00:44:00,040
he considers us lucky to have a 
child with special needs and and

763
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,120
I just want to honour you the 
way that you you carry this mark

764
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,760
and if people ask you about it 
then you have the privilege to 

765
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,520
share. 
Yes. 

766
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,520
And may your may your daughter 
know the day that she was born, 

767
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,280
we celebrated her birth where 
when my son was born with Down 

768
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,800
syndrome, we received sympathy 
cards the day of his birth, 

769
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,400
flowers and cards which said we 
we sympathize with the birth of 

770
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,360
your son. 
And when I hear a baby with Down

771
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,000
syndrome born into a family, I 
say yes, yes. 

772
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,160
How lucky you are. 
So, so yeah, this is just 

773
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,880
incredible. 
We love you. 

774
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:57,580
So what's stopping you going? 
Because their whole support 

775
00:44:57,580 --> 00:45:01,860
system is in South Africa. 
And Jane comes from a family 

776
00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:04,780
where her sister had Down 
syndrome and her parents never 

777
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:08,320
stopped at serving Jesus. 
And so she knew when she had a 

778
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Down syndrome child, it could 
completely affect the whole way 

779
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,160
they do life. 
I just looked at those tattoos 

780
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160
and I thought, those are marks 
of unbelievable faith. 

781
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,360
You are heroes of this church, 
Jeff and Jane. 

782
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,800
And they go, well, why did you 
come today? 

783
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Because we honor people. 
We glorify God, but we honor 

784
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,920
people. 
I love you. 

785
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,200
I really, really love you. 
I pray for you every day. 

786
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,560
And I'm so proud of you. 
And it's incredible just to stop

787
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:43,240
everything sometimes and just 
say, hey, hey, this is what it's

788
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,400
about. 
It's about our family and our 

789
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,480
friends. 
I want to put a a picture up on 

790
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,680
the. 
It's called Lisbon is on. 

791
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,480
This is in Harry Smith. 
My business is in Harry Smith. 

792
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,040
And for those who don't know, 
when Jeff and Jane came and 

793
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,320
spoke to me the following day, I
went to Harry Smith on business 

794
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,800
and I was driving through town. 
And you can see the L of the 

795
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,560
window at the bottom is broken 
and the B is broken and it just 

796
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:19,800
says Lisbon is on. 
You say, how did God speak to me

797
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:25,240
like that in a Portuguese fruit 
and veggie shop in Harry Smith? 

798
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,000
I don't know, just keep it up 
there. 

799
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,480
I don't know what the top part 
of it of your story is, but I 

800
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,880
want to tell you the bottom 
part. 

801
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,920
It's on. 
It's on. 

802
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Your healing is on. 
Your redemption is on. 

803
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Your baptism is on. 
Can you imagine how God used 

804
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,800
stones or something to break the
L and the B? 

805
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,280
To just speak to a dumb pastor 
from Pretoria in Harry Smith 

806
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,680
about the beautiful DNA that 
he's given to you? 

807
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,960
I want to say we're so proud of 
you, but today is like you're 

808
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,360
standing on the stage with a yes
in your heart to every person 

809
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,600
here. 
And you might say to say, God, 

810
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,360
how can I ever get healed? 
Healing is on. 

811
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Healing is on. 
Restoration is on those little 

812
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,160
tattoos. 
God knows your children better 

813
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,040
than you do. 
He knows them better than you 

814
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:55,100
do. 
Heavenly Father thank you for 

815
00:47:55,100 --> 00:48:02,580
Jeff and Jane for Tay Tay for 
Kylie travel. 

816
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:04,100
Lord God, thank you for this 
family. 

817
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:08,720
Thank you for every person in 
this church that has made it 

818
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,840
possible for us to plant 
churches. 

819
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,720
Thank you for your generosity to
us over many, many years. 

820
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Thank you for three stripes and 
an arm. 

821
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440
And thank you for a Portuguese 
passport. 

822
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,880
What passport have you got? 
Why are you here this morning? 

823
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,440
I just want to say these two 
words over your life. 

824
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,400
It's on. 
It's on. 

825
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,840
It's on.
