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It's nice to see you. 
Stephen did so well last week on

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talking about time and place and
that we're going to revisit it 

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again today as as God does his 
amazing things. 

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So if you can turn to 
Ecclesiastes chapter 3. 

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If you're new here, we are doing
a series in Ecclesiastes. 

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The series is pretty much there.
There are many parts to it. 

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It's a very rich man with a lot 
of wives, tried everything in 

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his life. 
He's coming to the end of his 

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life and he's writing back to 
Pretoria 2025 and he's saying, 

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hey guys, I've been on this 
journey. 

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I've tried everything. 
I've tried women, I've tried 

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wealth, I've tried to be 
significant. 

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I've built farms, I've built 
dams, I've built buildings, and 

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I'm just trying to find 
something that counts. 

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When I moved to Pretoria 12 
years ago, Clint and Ellen, by 

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sheer generosity, gave me a 
beautiful coffee machine. 

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And Clint said to me, go and 
enjoy the people of Pretoria. 

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Go and enjoy making coffee for 
them, enjoying them, celebrating

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with them. 
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machine is never broken after 12
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I've just kept it going. 
It just hasn't broken down, 

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which I'm sure you meant to 
service it every while ago, but 

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I, I didn't service it. 
So last week it broke down. 

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Clint, if you'd like to service 
it for me, you know, minder. 

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So it broke down and we sent it 
in to get serviced and, and they

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wrote back and said, yeah, I 
just needed a good service. 

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It was a bit dirty inside, but 
just to let you know, there's a 

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counter on it and you've made 
17,000 and 78 cups of coffee. 

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And I thought, that's Tov. 
That's Tov. 

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That means somebody say, oh, you
drink too much coffee, please 

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don't send the letters 12 years.
Lots of people in my house. 

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That's Tov. 
And I actually phoned Clint. 

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I said, hey, Clint, do you 
remember that gift you and Ellen

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gave me has made 17,000 cups of 
coffee? 

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We've had lots of fellowship and
lots of talking around coffee 

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and meals and food and, and he's
kind of saying what's really 

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important in our lives? 
What's what really counts? 

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What's, what are we going to 
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What's going to really, really 
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And actually, I was looking at 
it this morning or this week and

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actually Ecclesiastes, I become 
small and I let God be big. 

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So when my kids grew up in my 
house, if we look at time and 

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place, they didn't decide where 
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I I just love the Kruger. 
And so every year in Natal, we 

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would go and stand in the queues
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we could make sure that we could
also get some space. 

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That's kakuza didn't belong to 
Pretoria. 

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I know every other camp belongs 
to you, but, but, but we thought

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Kakuza, we could get a little 
bit of space. 

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That's kakuza. 
And in that time and place, we 

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booked our holiday as Scakusa 
and our children grew up in the 

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Kruger. 
Now our kids love the Kruger 

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because they actually trusted us
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was meaningful, that was 
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that was family building. 
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bonded around the Kruger fires. 
Yesterday, I went to rugby with 

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my family, with my children and 
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And one of the members of this 
congregation took a photo of me 

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and said, I can see you at the 
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And it said, it's so nice to be 
with your family because we 

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chose time and place well when 
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We still share time and place 
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Amen. 
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understand these things. 
So, but I want to speak 

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particularly I was I was looking
at some as I as I was preparing 

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this week, just those little 
boxes that we get those little 

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boxes. 
Every time you fill in a little 

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box, it says a single cross, 
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And I was just sitting. 
I just started to weep. 

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Remember, I'm not an apostle 
that's going to change the 

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world. 
I'm just a pastor. 

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I just started to weep. 
I was sitting in my in my room. 

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I started to weep. 
I thought am IA good pastor to 

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divorced people? 
Because if you get divorced when

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you're young, marry the wrong 
person or something happens when

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you're young and, and and you 
get divorced at 25 and you never

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get remarried. 
So for 60 years, every time you 

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fill in one of those forms, 
you've got to put the cross in 

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that little box called divorced.
It's quite haunting. 

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And I thought, can I not 
present? 

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Can we not present this cross in
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overrides that cross, that this 
cross somehow doesn't carry the 

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stigma that's attached to it? 
I was thinking of you, Dennis, 

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as, as, as we pull in because 
the next line down it says 

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white, black colored or other. 
Which one do you do? 

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Other or, or you or is it Asian?
But you're not Asian. 

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You're from Durban. 
So I was thinking, So what? 

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So what does Dennis do? 
And I'm thinking, do I do I 

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shepherd you well, Dennis, do I 
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That, that this cross that you 
don't know where to put that, 

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that that society is going to 
determine where I put that 

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cross. 
Is there a bigger cross 

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somewhere that can override 
that, that that that little 

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group of boxes? 
Don't put me into a box. 

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And we can see now the 
Afrikaners fighting for their 

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independence, now fighting 
because they're a malign nation 

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now in this country and they're 
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And so we've got these 
organizations like Solidarity 

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and every forum meeting with 
Donald Trump fighting for our 

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little cross. 
I want to tell you, Donald Trump

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is not the solution of 
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The bigger cross that we preach 
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the solution to Afrikanadom. 
It's a cross that is bigger 

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friends than English or 
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And we don't need to pay for 
guys to go to America to sit in 

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Donald Trump's office who at any
time can spark a third World War

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with all the good daddies. 
He can start spark a third World

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War because he has a personality
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And we are dumbing down our 
existence to what happens in the

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Oval Office instead of going to 
a much higher officers saying 

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can you put that cross on my 
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Beautiful. 
And on my divorce status and on 

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my black and white status. 
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Then I started to think about 
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Your people in this church are 
divorced because you're the 

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victims of divorce. 
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hero and the victim of every 
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I'm either the hero or I'm the 
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Something happened to me and 
it's really bad and I got badly 

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treated. 
And then I realized unless we 

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are prepared to make Jesus the 
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story that we tell, you'll 
constantly live with 

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disappointment in your life. 
You'll constantly live with 

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disappointment in life and, and 
go back and look at your stories

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and you'll see how many times we
think we saved the day or we 

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were really maligned really 
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And so I thought of the people 
that are sitting here that 

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actually caused the divorce and 
you're sitting here and for most

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of your life, especially in the 
church, you'll go through life 

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as a second class citizen. 
And I thought, but the reason 

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you got divorced is because you 
never kept your word. 

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You, you, you made a phrase at 
the front of an aisle and you 

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never kept. 
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at my own life and I thought, I 
just know endless occasions 

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where I've not kept my word. 
You won't believe this, but I'm 

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actually a people pleaser. 
I'm sure you don't believe it. 

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I'm getting better, I'm 
recovering, especially with the 

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Afrikaans scars and advocates. 
I'm I feel like I'm getting some

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traction, but but most of my 
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And So what I've done is I've 
over promised and many times 

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because I've over promised, I've
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And when you under deliver you 
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A guy phoned me and said, hey, 
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Yes I can do your wedding. 
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wedding my son got chosen as a 
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on that day he had a fixture so 
I found I wrote to him back. 

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I'm so I'm terribly sorry to do 
this but I always try and keep 

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my word. 
I've always started but but I 

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feel like I need to prioritize 
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He's last year at school. 
I'm going to ask I've got 

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somebody who can do the wedding 
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He's never spoken to me again, 
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And it's caused a broken 
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And so now we're going to go 
through life with these broken 

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relationships. 
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Are you going to go through this
life with this responsibility of

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not keeping your word? 
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Can we find a place that God can
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actually take that massive 
burden off us and imprint us 

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with His cross? 
Amen. 

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And So what I would love today 
for those of you who carry any 

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guilt, shame, fear, is just to 
take a step here and then to 

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walk out. 
Good morning. 

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So the second part, remember, 
this is what it says in the 

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Bible. 
If you've never heard this, the 

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new is in the old concealed. 
So when you read the Old 

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Testament, the New Testament is 
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So whenever you read the Old 
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about time, like there's a time 
for this and a time for that, 

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the New Testament is in there, 
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So the new is in the old 
concealed, the old is in the new

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revealed. 
OK, so whenever you read the Old

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Testament, you think, I don't 
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What does it mean? 
So that the New Testament is 

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there, but it's a little bit 
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You've got to keep reading and 
and I'll show you in two weeks 

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time, I'm going to preach about 
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What? 
So so Ecclesiastes talks about 

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being better. 
It's like hidden in there. 

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And then in the New Testament, 
in the book of Hebrews, it gets 

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revealed what better looks like.
It's the same thing with time. 

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So time is hidden in the Old 
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So in Galatians chapter 4, we 
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because I have to preach 
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And Galatians chapter 4 says 
this in the fullness of time, 

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say that in the fullness of 
time, Jesus was born under the 

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law so that he could redeem 
those who were born under the 

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law. 
In the fullness of time, Jesus 

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got born at just the right time.
In Romans chapter 5 it says just

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at the right time. 
Say that just at the right time.

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Just at the right time, Jesus 
died while you were yet a 

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Sinner. 
So he got born at just the right

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time, and he died at just the 
right time. 

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And Genesis 24 says on the 
mountain of the Lord, Isaac on 

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the top with Abraham on the 
mountain of the Lord, it will be

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provided. 
So the place was set and the 

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time was set and at exactly the 
right time and exactly the right

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place, Jesus died. 
And Romans 5 says I was 

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justified, say justified. 
That is just as if I'd never 

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sinned, justified just as if 
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So how come we get justified at 
just the right time and place by

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God, and yet we carry a whole 
lot of rubbish with us for the 

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rest of our lives? 
I want to talk about that today 

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and I want to specifically speak
to divorced people and I want 

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God to set you free today. 
And I want to speak to Afrikaans

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people and say God's got you 
perfectly under his authority 

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and control and you don't need 
movements to meet with 

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presidents to validate your 
future. 

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He's got you time and place. 
Amen. 

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So let's read verse 9. 
What does the worker gain from 

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his toil? 
I've seen the burden that God 

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has laid on him. 
So you've all these beautiful 

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times at the end of it. 
There's nothing friends. 

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I mean, fortunately there's 
nothing that you can do in your 

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human effort that will make any 
significant change to the world.

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You can bring the latest 
operation, the Whipple that does

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something with the pancreas and 
in 10 years time there's going 

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to be another operation that 
does the pancreas. 

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You think? 
Well, Christian Barnard is known

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for this. 
In in 20 years time they won't 

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even transplant hostile just 
have false hearts that they just

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put inside there. 
I've seen the burden that God 

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has laid on men. 
He has made everything beautiful

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in its time. 
Stephen preached so beautifully 

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about that. 
He has also set eternity in the 

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hearts of men. 
Yet they cannot fathom what God 

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has done from beginning to end. 
So we have to trust God. 

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I'm a child, He is God and he 
puts my life together and these 

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parts I don't understand but 
like my children love the Kruger

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and they love coming to rugby 
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He is going to put us through a 
process where these people who 

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went to Canada to plant a church
come back 17 years later and 

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they still love this place in 
time because God something here.

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I know that there's nothing 
better tov for men than to be 

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happy and to do good tov while 
they live that everything that 

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everyone may eat and drink 
17,000 and 78 cups of coffee and

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find tov in all his toil. 
This is a gift from God. 

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Of course, doctors as you put a 
knee together or a back together

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or lawyer as you win an amazing 
case. 

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This is a gift from God. 
You must remember. 

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It's not going to have any 
significant lasting gain, but it

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can be a gift. 
There's a difference between a 

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gain. 
It's not going to be permanent 

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profit, but it is a gift. 
When I come to work, I see my 

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workers as gifts. 
They're gifts from God to me. 

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There's one called Hannah, 
There's one called Michaela. 

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There's one called Michelle, 
There's one called Maggie, 

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There's one called Rini, a gift 
to me, Stephen and Damien. 

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These are gifts to me. 
Every time I look at them, I say

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I'm not gay and they're not 
permanent, but they are gifts. 

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I know that everything God does 
will endure forever. 

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Nothing can be added to it, 
nothing taken from it. 

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God does it so that men will 
Revere Him. 

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Whatever is has already been, 
and what will be has been 

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before, and God will call the 
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Say that with me. 
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account. 
It's very important. 

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And I saw something else under 
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In the place of judgment, 
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So remember, Stephen spoke about
time and place, but he didn't 

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speak about this part of it. 
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wickedness was there, and in the
place of justice, wickedness was

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there. 
I thought in my heart, God will 

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bring to judgement both the 
righteous and the wicked. 

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For there will be a time, say 
time. 

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So time and place, there will be
a time for every activity, a 

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time for every deed. 
So now he's going into a 

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different set of time and place.
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Jesus died at exactly the right 
time, and he died at exactly the

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right place. 
But there is going to be a place

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and a time when God brings the 
past to account. 

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I will never face judgement 
because I believe in God. 

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You will never face the wrath of
God. 

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You're free from the wrath of 
God. 

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But there will be a time that 
God brings justice to every 

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decision and every activity 
under the sun. 

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I've only been to court twice, 
thank goodness. 

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But what this scripture says, I 
saw something that was very 

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strange. 
Where there should have been 

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justice, Where? 
Where should justice take place?

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In the courtroom? 
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justice, there was wickedness. 
I thought, wow. 

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I thought of one of the 
advocates in this church here 

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today, one of the top advocates 
in South Africa. 

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He came out of court where there
should have been justice. 

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He came out of court 
representing a case, dressed in 

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his robes, and he got punctured 
by a man from the side with an 

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HIV needle that was full of a 
concoction of stuff. 

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He punctured him with the needle
and pushed it into him. 

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Where there should have been 
justice, there was wickedness. 

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A man fighting against the 
system. 

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Every person's got a right to 
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And so actually as I read the 
scripture, I thought that is so 

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wrong in the safest place where 
law should abide. 

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And needle went into him and he 
had to go through all the 

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antiretroviral processes and it 
found out that the needle didn't

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have HIV. 
But Can you imagine the, the, 

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the absolute fear of thinking 
now I'm HIV positive for the 

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rest of my life because of 
wickedness instead of the place 

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of justice? 
That same man had somebody 

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agitated with him because he was
defending his opposition and 

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went to his house to hijack him 
or to murder him or to kidnap 

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him or whatever it might be, but
went to his house and his son 

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lives, lives next door to him. 
And they got the wrong address. 

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And so they got the right time 
when you come home from work, 

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but they got the wrong address. 
And so they beat his son to a 

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pulp. 
I ended up doing his son's 

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wedding. 
His son was telling me I was 

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absolutely broken, beaten up to 
a pulp by 5 or 6 men is lying on

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the ground. 
And he said to the Lord, Lord 

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God make me heavy. 
And those six men could not pick

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him off the ground. 
One had his foot, one had his 

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foot, one had his two hands and 
I could not pick him off. 

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He said glory. 
I was like a dead white there, 

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friends. 
Where there's meant to be 

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justice, there's wickedness. 
I'm sorry for those who have 

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heard the story, but I I went to
a school and a boy who came from

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my school got drunk on the 
anniversary of his mother's 

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death. 
He caused an accident. 

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The police chased him. 
He shot at the police. 

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He eventually cooped himself up 
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Keep shooting at the police, 
which is like go to jail. 

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And one of my schoolmasters 
phoned me and said please will 

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you represent him in court? 
I said why? 

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He said because got nobody else 
to represent him. 

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I remember going into that 
courtroom and this young guy 

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coming out from the cells 
beneath and he had been 

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absolutely pulverized by the 
police. 

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Where there's meant to be 
justice, there is. 

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You see, there's wickedness. 
Where there's meant to be, he 

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said, but he deserves it because
he shot. 

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No, no, where there's meant to 
be justice, there's justice. 

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I remember arguing the court 
case. 

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I was the only guy in court. 
I thought. 

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I thought there were others. 
I was there and they set the 

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bail and the lawyer turned to me
and he said, will you pay the 

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bail? 
And I literally looked behind me

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thinking, surely you can't be 
asking me to pay the bail. 

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I've never met the guy in my 
life. 

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I looked behind me. 
There's no one. 

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I said, are you talking to me? 
He said I'm talking to you. 

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He said, will you pay the bail? 
I said like what choice do I 

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have? 
He said you've got no choice. 

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I could see this beaten boy and 
I went and I got the money and I

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paid the bail and I stood, stood
in my car with his bail stuff. 

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And I started to weep when I 
realized that me beaten and 

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bruised in a dock, guilty of 
everything that I'd been charged

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for, that Jesus just stepped in 
with his blood and he just paid 

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my bail, just paid my bail. 
And then when I appeared the 

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second time, he just defended me
for free. 

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And when I should have been 
called guilty, the guilt got put

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upon him. 
And so I walked out free any 

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anyway. 
And so justice and righteousness

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and time found its place that I 
was free. 

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And yet, friends, we don't let 
the people off the hook that 

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have hurt us. 
We keep them on the hook. 

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The second time I went to court 
was next to Pretoria Girls High.

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I don't know what that court's 
called, but the main water 

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supply had broken. 
It burst. 

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And so we had this pipe pouring 
out water at 1000 gallons an 

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hour. 
It was just pouring out water. 

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And I went there five times to 
appear in court to represent 

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what I saw. 
I saw a domestic violence 

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situation. 
I stopped. 

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I gave my telephone number. 
I said, if you need a witness 

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here, I was the witness. 
The advocate shouted at me for 

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wearing the wrong clothes. 
I said, sorry, I've never read 

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the document that says how I 
should come to court. 

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Haven't been there very often. 
So, so and, and I just watched 

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this process. 
I watched people burglars and I 

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watched all these people coming 
in and, and, and after five 

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times at court, they cancelled 
the case. 

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And I thought where there's 
meant to be justice, there's 

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just this water flowing every. 
It's an absolute dog show, 

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absolute dogs. 
I said, can I bring a plumber in

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here? 
I'll pay for the plumber to stop

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the water, to save the water for
the city. 

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They say only the city can fix 
the water. 

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And I just looked at the and I 
read the script and I thought 

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some of our lives are like that.
Just like the main lines are 

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broken, they're pouring out. 
We're appearing in courts. 

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Our case gets that reminded and 
reminded and reminded and 

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reminded. 
And we're just trying to find 

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justice. 
And God says, I want to tell you

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this, my son died on the cross 
at the right place. 

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But there is going to be a time 
when I'm going to recall the 

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past to a place and I'm going to
sort it out and I'm going to 

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make it beautiful. 
The person who was the victim of

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the divorce, Yep, I'm going to 
take your victimization. 

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And I'm going to take And the 
person who caused the divorce, 

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Yep, I'm going to make that 
beautiful too. 

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How? 
I got no idea, but he said I'm 

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going to fix it. 
If that's the case and that's 

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going to happen, then then you 
and I, by God's grace, can bring

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it forward and allow it to 
happen. 

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Now, there's a phrase, friends, 
called prevenient grace. 

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It's a theological phrase. 
Prevenient grace is the grace 

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that God gives us before we get 
saved. 

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I was in a motor car accident 
when I was 14 years old. 

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I didn't know Jesus, and as the 
car was going down the hill like

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this, rolling six or seven 
times, the car that was so 

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written off that we never ever 
recovered it, as it was going 

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down the hill, I felt the 
prevenient grace of God where he

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pinned me to the chair. 
I felt completely safe. 

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I didn't feel rattled. 
I wasn't scared. 

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The car bumped and when it 
eventually landed, I opened the 

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door. 
I got out without a scratch. 

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And me prevenient grace, God was
working in my life before I got 

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saved. 
This friends that I'm talking 

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about today is there is going to
be an activity in the future 

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which if you understand it and 
you make it active now, you can 

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live with unbelievable freedom 
over your life and your choices 

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now. 
Amen. 

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Completely and utterly free 
completely. 

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There is a place and there's a 
time. 

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I wrote a list. 
Let me read it. 

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Broken characters. 
Just broken characters. 

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I had a man who got bipolar. 
You can see a little thing. 

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I'll read it. 
The new broken characters 

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jarring and just keep this don't
put my face on just keep it at 

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jarring interruptions. 
Stephen Kathy serving God, 

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loving God planted the church, 
built the church, gave money to 

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the church, fast and pray hours 
in the word preaches hearts out 

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built from the pulpit, loves his
wife looks after her parents 

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unbelievable thing. 
And in one moment boof their 

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daughter wakes up completely 
sick and takes them on a six 

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month journey of life and death,
life and death. 

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These jarring interruptions. 
You say God, it's not fair. 

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No, no, no, you small and I'm 
big and you'll never understand 

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it. 
But I want to tell you, Stephen 

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and Kathy, one day there's going
to be a time and a place where 

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I'm going to bring the story of 
Gemma and I'm going to settle it

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in your heart. 
I'm going to settle. 

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You say, oh, Rory, it's fine for
you to be fine, for you to be 

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protected when you were 14 years
old driving a car. 

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What about my 14 year old child 
that died in a car accident? 

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What about that, Rory? 
There's going to be a time and a

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place where God brings justice 
to your life and where you will 

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understand that he is big and 
you are small. 

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And you say, but no, that is 
faith. 

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There will be a time and there 
will be a place. 

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You say, Rory, you've never 
understood divorce. 

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No, I haven't. 
I've spent my life trying to 

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save marriages, but you can't 
live with second class 

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citizenship for the rest of your
life. 

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You've got to understand this 
cross and God has got to do 

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00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,960
something on this cross. 
Relationships caught in 

449
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,640
unresolved tension. 
I remember that first on Broken 

450
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,680
Characters when a man had 
bipolar and he started drawing 

451
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,720
money from his bond. 
He had a mutual bond with his 

452
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200
wife and he started drawing 
money, spending 100,000 random 

453
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,160
month on movies and meals and 
magazines. 

454
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,600
He's spending 100,000 in a 
month. 

455
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,560
And his wife came to see me and 
said, Rory, he's just, he's 

456
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,760
signing this bond and our bond 
is just going through the roof. 

457
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480
And I had to step in. 
And when I stepped in to fix it,

458
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,760
he became fixated with me and he
started to harass me only 5-6 

459
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,320
hundred times a day, send 
messages to my telecom line. 

460
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,400
Used to be able to do that in 
the day. 

461
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,560
You have access to my wife. 
I want access to your wife. 

462
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680
It's just this horrific. 
But he was sick. 

463
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,960
But that brokenness broke me. 
I remember sitting in my house 

464
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,240
once he drove into my house and 
I had my son with me, my who led

465
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,320
worship. 
Today, he was still a little 

466
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,840
boy. 
I picked them up over my 

467
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,400
shoulders and I ran the house. 
I threw him. 

468
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,160
Those things have effect on you.
They have effect on you. 

469
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,840
But there's going to be a time 
where God will take his bipolar 

470
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,680
and he will take my 
intervention, which I thought 

471
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,880
was good, but to him it was bad.
And he's going to make it right.

472
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,320
He's going to make it beautiful.
And so either I can live with 

473
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,520
regret against them for the rest
of his life, or I can bring that

474
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:46,320
prevenient grace back to now and
let people off the hook, let 

475
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,960
them go, set them free. 
Amen. 

476
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,560
Let's keep going through it. 
Unexplained unanswered 

477
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,720
questions. 
Spoke to a lady today. 

478
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Yeah, before the service. 
He said, Rory, I can't answer 

479
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,680
the question. 
I said, you know, the reality is

480
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
you'll never answer the 
question, friends. 

481
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,400
The book of Job, Job eventually 
went and stood on that big cross

482
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,360
on the stage. 
He's still on that cross. 

483
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,480
And he said, God, all these 
unanswered questions, I don't 

484
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,880
understand it, but you are God 
and I am on earth and you are in

485
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,920
heaven and you have eternity and
I have a limitation of time. 

486
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,720
And So what I'm going to do is 
I'm going to make peace at this 

487
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:38,330
crossroads. 
What about prejudice? 

488
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:48,970
We are going to constantly see 
Pretoria girls fighting a system

489
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:55,880
that we can heal in the church 
because one day God is going to 

490
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,000
take all prejudice. 
Whether it's prejudice against 

491
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,200
you because you're Afrikaans in 
post apartheid South Africa and 

492
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280
fighting for some kind of an 
identity or because you're a 

493
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,760
black person trying to make it 
in the job market. 

494
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,560
God is going to take all of 
that. 

495
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,640
He's going to make it right, 
time and place. 

496
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Can you put the picture up of 
Michelle please? 

497
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:35,120
Michelle in those tears. 
This is one of our staff ladies.

498
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,640
We had a meeting last Tuesday. 
She's trusting God for one of 

499
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,080
her family members and she 
doesn't understand. 

500
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,480
She's prayed, she's loved God, 
she's served the church, she's 

501
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,600
done everything that she can and
it just doesn't seem quite fair.

502
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,280
She's an amazing mum, she's an 
amazing wife, she's an amazing 

503
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,920
worker. 
It just seems like she's got a 

504
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
bit of a raw deal. 
But she stood on the cross and 

505
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,920
she just cried. 
Maybe today we can just stand on

506
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,760
the cross and say, Lord, I don't
understand. 

507
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,240
You know, the first thing we 
learn in relationships when 

508
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,960
we're young, it's not fair. 
It's not fair. 

509
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Lord God, you know one of the 
greatest things I deal with is 

510
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,640
wills. 
When a father or a mother leave 

511
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,040
a will and the children don't 
agree, it's not fair. 

512
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,200
One day it will be fair. 
I do not understand to this day 

513
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560
why my dad gave his Land Cruiser
to my sister. 

514
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,080
It's just not fair. 
It's not fair. 

515
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800
You can talk to me, you can 
shout at me, you can stand in 

516
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
the box at me. 
And when I see my dad, I'll say 

517
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Dad and then I'll see Jesus and 
he'll just say, are you stupid, 

518
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:56,640
idiot? 
And then a girl who lost her dad

519
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,320
in a car accident came to Home 
group for the first time this 

520
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
week on a Tuesday. 
She came to Home group. 

521
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,480
She just bought a whole lot of 
hot cross buns to Home group and

522
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,040
said I had a choice when my dad 
died to be really angry with God

523
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,760
or to know that one day he'll 
explain it to me. 

524
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,280
You know, I don't stand on the 
stage often 

525
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,780
and I'm not sure if I've been a 
good pastor of divorced people 

526
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:05,500
or a good pastor of people have 
lost children, car accidents. 

527
00:31:08,620 --> 00:31:10,100
I've got one son leading worship
today. 

528
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,900
I've got another son preaching 
in Durban. 

529
00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:17,240
Some of your sons are sitting in
rehab fighting for their lives. 

530
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:27,640
I understand that, I know that. 
But not only is there a time and

531
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,880
place at the cross, but there's 
going to be a time and place in 

532
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080
the future. 
What seems unfair? 

533
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,720
The questions you don't know how
to answer, The prejudice of not 

534
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,720
getting a job promotion because 
of the colour of your skin or 

535
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,760
being treated as a second class 
citizen because you're a woman. 

536
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:58,130
One day God is going to settle 
it and all the loose ends of 

537
00:31:58,130 --> 00:32:03,410
your life are going to be put 
together into a beautiful 

538
00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:10,970
garment, time and place in the 
law court of heaven with the 

539
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:18,170
Judge of righteousness and the 
advocates called Jesus. 

540
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
He's going to put it all back 
together. 

541
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Whether you've been pained or 
whether you have caused the 

542
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:34,920
pain, I pray today that you can 
pull the future forward and 

543
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,000
stand here free. 
Free. 

544
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,200
I don't want to call divorced 
people here because I don't want

545
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,680
to embarrass you, but I pray 
today that a stigma gets lifted 

546
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,360
off you that will never come 
back to you. 

547
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,120
And every time you make that 
cross on that piece of paper, 

548
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:08,880
white, black, colored, other, 
male, female, single, married, I

549
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,920
pray that this cross will be 
bigger than that one in Jesus 

550
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:24,800
name. 
Heavenly Father, you'll be with 

551
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,560
these people. 
I don't know if some of you have

552
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,560
to come here during the week and
stand on that cross in the 

553
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,640
middle of the stage, but some of
you think you can never stand on

554
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,440
that stage again. 
I want to tell you, if you've 

555
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840
got to come here on Tuesday, you
can phone me. 

556
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,240
I'll say to that. 
If you just come here by 

557
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,920
yourself, stand on the cross, 
God will put you all center 

558
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,360
stage because there will be a 
day. 

559
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,000
There will be a day. 
There will be a day when God 

560
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440
makes everything beautiful in 
His time. 

561
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,880
God bless you.
