1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Now there we are, the Jesus of history like to talk about this 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:10,120 for a little while here and how we present this lends itself to 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,840 using a PowerPoint here, which is that's a reason, obviously a 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,360 reason I use it here. But, you know, evidence for 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Jesus outside the Bible is what we're talking about. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,480 And the the thing we're obviously the thing was as 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Christians were interested in is we believe in the Lord, but and 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,640 we have faith in him. We have faith in what the Bible 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,120 says about him is true. But there's these people in the 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,200 world here that say, yeah, this is a bit of fiction that you 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,600 have and that you're believing, putting your faith in. 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,080 And, you know, if people are, if he's a person of history, there 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,600 should be evidence for him outside of the book that you're 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,640 looking at here. And although the Bible is the 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,080 primary, is a primary source of, of evidence for the existence 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,600 and for the life of Jesus, I'd like to notice that there is 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,879 more than just what is in the Bible. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,760 To start off. You know, Carl said he believes 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,720 in, he believes in George Washington because of history. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,480 Well, I'm going to talk about the 16th president here, Abraham 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,040 Lincoln. We believe in him and we 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,120 understand that he's a character of history. 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040 We understand facts, certain facts about him, about his life, 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,080 that he existed, that he lived, that he was president, and that 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,920 these certain things happen now about him and about people. 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,600 Sometimes there's things that are said about them that did not 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:40,920 happen, such as such as there was a movie made called Abraham 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:47,000 Lincoln Vampire Hunter. And so here you have a basis of 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,120 an actual person, true person, but then fictional things about 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,800 them. And sometimes the idea with 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Jesus is, yes, he existed, but what did he do? 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,840 What did he do? What's the validity, What's the 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,240 truth about what he was? And so we understand there's a 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,120 couple of different levels of looking at a true character from 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,440 history and then looking at what he is, what he did and the, the, 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,080 the things that he, the, the things that history says that he 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,120 did. Now we're not going to notice 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,960 about Jesus, about him being a vampire hunter or about him 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,600 being about the things that he did. 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,120 That's actually a talk for another time and perhaps many 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,920 talks for other times there. But he was not going to rest 42 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,000 assured. There's no claim that he was a 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,640 vampire hunter by any means here. 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,160 But you understand 2 levels of talking about a real person and 45 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,120 then fictionalized accounts of that real person. 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,780 Now I want to look at another level here, and that is Spider 47 00:02:49,780 --> 00:02:52,520 Man. There's nobody that says that 48 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,880 Spider Man is an actual character. 49 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,440 I don't think so. My some of my grandkids may. 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,800 I'm not sure. But anyway, there's nobody. 51 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,880 It's a fictional character. He's a fictional character. 52 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,720 There's no basis in history. There's a basis in fiction is 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,080 what it is. And so you see different levels 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,480 here, A true character, a true character and questionable 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,120 things about how he lived. And then the third level here is 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,840 a fictional character here. So what we're concerned with 57 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,160 this afternoon, we're concerned with talking about Jesus, on 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,320 which category he is really about this category or that 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,240 category. We're not talking about this 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,800 category at all here this afternoon. 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,680 We're talking about whether he is a true character of history 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,920 or whether he is not, because actually the Bible is a book 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,120 that talks about things that took place within space and 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,480 time. They had happened in a certain 65 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,600 place or in certain places that are are real places. 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,680 They're not fictional accounts. They're not fictional places. 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,880 And then at certain specific times it happened. 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,280 So these are actual events of history that are talked about in 69 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,280 the Bible. That is our claim as Christians. 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,360 And so if Jesus is a work of fiction, if the story of Jesus 71 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,520 is a work of fiction, then nothing we do here matters. 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,040 It really doesn't matter. We may as well really, even 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,600 though we like each other, even though we appreciate each other. 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,600 But if Jesus is a work of fiction, we may as pack it in 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,560 and go home and not show up anymore. 76 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,800 Because what we're doing and what we're basing our life on 77 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,520 and what we're basing the basing our faith in is simply a matter 78 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,640 of fiction. There's no use for it really in 79 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,800 that sense there. Here's what the Bible says. 80 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,920 First Corinthians 15, verses 14 through 17. 81 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Yes, I have that here. Christ has not been raised. 82 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,320 Then you're preaching. Then our preaching is vain. 83 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Your faith also is vain. Moreover, we are found to be 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,520 liars, false witnesses of God, because we testified against God 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 that he raised Christ, who he did not raise. 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,720 If in fact the dead are not raised, and if Christ has not 87 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,320 been raised, your faith is worthless. 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 You're still in your sins. In other words, if it's fiction 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,160 about the story of Christ as told in Scripture, then it's a 90 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,600 bunch of baloney what we're doing here really to pull it 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,120 down here. What Peter says but or what Paul 92 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,200 says here. But on the other hand, if Jesus 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,360 is true and if the things the Bible says about Jesus is true, 94 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,720 then nothing else matters. Then nothing else matters except 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,840 for what it says here. First John chapter 1 verses one 96 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,960 through 3. We looked at this in the this 97 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,680 morning. What was from the beginning 98 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,400 which we have heard, which we've seen with our eyes, which we've 99 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,960 looked at and touched with our hands concerning the word of 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,680 life. The life was manifested. 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,520 We have seen and testified and proclaimed to you the eternal 102 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,840 life which was with the Father and was manifested to us that we 103 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,600 that what we have seen and heard we proclaimed to you so that you 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,920 may have fellowship with us. In other words, we told you 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,640 about this these things that we actually saw that we experienced 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,640 that we saw we were truly eyewitnesses of this. 107 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,520 We we revealed that to you. We testified to you and now you 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,800 can share in our knowledge and in our understanding with us as 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,760 well so that you can have fellowship with us in this so 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,440 testimony about Jesus. Second Peter one verse 16. 111 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,800 We did not follow cleverly devised tales. 112 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,600 We made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus 113 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His Majesty. 114 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,960 These were not sometimes how people talk about being witness, 115 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:32,960 witnesses, witnesses of Christ. We don't have witnesses of 116 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Christ today. They were witnesses here. 117 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,840 They were eyewitnesses. It's what the Bible talks about 118 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,520 there. We what we have today, we may 119 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,840 have witnesses of what we have experienced, but we have not 120 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,560 seen Jesus. They had seen Jesus. 121 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:53,400 They were first hand witnesses. They were not hearsay witnesses. 122 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,480 They were actual witnesses of the things that they talked 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 about here in this is what Peter testifies here in second Peter 124 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,560 one and verse 16 again Acts chapter 10 and verse 39, a very 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,440 similar passage. Peter himself is speaking again 126 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,440 and he says this. We are witnesses of everything 127 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,840 that Jesus did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. 128 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,080 They killed him, hanging him on a tree, but God raised him from 129 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,440 the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 130 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,640 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom 131 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,720 God had already chosen by us, who ate and drank with him after 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,480 he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the 133 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,400 people and testify that he is the one that God has appointed 134 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,160 to judge the living and the dead. 135 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 This is what Peter said to Cornelius and his household 136 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 there, there in Acts the 10th chapter. 137 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,000 So notice he says we are witnesses. 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,760 We saw him, we ate with him, we drank with him after he rose 139 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,160 from the dead. And we know that these things 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,840 happened here. So what does the Bible say 141 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,440 related to Jesus? Now, we're not going to put 142 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,560 everything in here because that's just simply not 143 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,080 reasonable here. But often times in making a case 144 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,840 and making a court case or making a case from an 145 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,520 evidentiary case, as far as as far as an investigation goes, 146 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,720 often times you want to make a profile of the one that you're 147 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,040 investigating that you're looking at and you want to look 148 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,960 at the evidence and see what the evidence says and the put the 149 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,760 profile together here. Now I, you know, I've never been 150 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,480 a law enforcement person. I have had investigative 151 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,720 training in investigating cemeteries and funeral homes. 152 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,320 I have had training on that and I know a little bit about that. 153 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:42,559 I you know a lot of things I don't know, but anyway, but an 154 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,760 investigator here in this when they're wanting to know 155 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:51,920 information about this, they're going to my Alex and Irene and 156 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Cindy and Charlie Cat back there. 157 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,720 I heard y'all were coming. I just didn't see y'all here 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,600 until just now. Welcome, welcome dear people, 159 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,520 dear people from up Porterville now. 160 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,440 So anyway, So what does the Bible testimony about Jesus? 161 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,680 We want to put together a profile of him from selected 162 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,320 passages in Scripture. We're not going to have 163 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,880 everything about him, but we're going to look at some things and 164 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,440 then we're going to look at some things that are said as far as 165 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:25,640 in historical documents about related to this here. 166 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,520 Just following and we'll go along here. 167 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,120 So Bible testimony about Jesus #1 Matthew 2, verse one. 168 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Jesus was born in Bethlehem and Judea in the days of Herod the 169 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,600 King. Now this is going to go pretty 170 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,200 quick here, so just hang on here. 171 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,800 Hang on and you'll see it here again. 172 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,640 During the reign of Tiberius, Luke 3 verse one says that's 173 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,600 one. He was born during that time. 174 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Matthew one, verse 23 Behold, the Virgin shall conceive in 175 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,800 their birth to the Son. They shall name him Emmanuel, 176 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,680 which being translated is God with us. 177 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,520 Matthew 13 verse 55. Is this not the Carpenter son 178 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,600 they said at that time, Luke 13 and three, No, I tell you, but 179 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,440 unless you repeat, you will all perish. 180 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:09,680 This is Jesus said to the people of his day there Matthew 9 181 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,520 Matthew 9, verse 9 as Jesus went on from there, he saw a man 182 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,360 called Matthew sitting in the tax collector's office. 183 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,480 He said, follow me and he got up and he followed him there. 184 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:25,360 Galatians 3 verse 26 for you are all sons and daughters of God 185 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,560 through faith in Christ Jesus. That's what Paul says there. 186 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,800 Matthew our Mark 6 verse two. He began to each in the 187 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,960 synagogue and and the many listeners were astonished saying 188 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Where did this man learn these things and what is the wisdom 189 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,840 that he has given to him and such miracles as as these 190 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,480 performed by his hands there the testimony Mark the 6th chapter 191 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:52,000 again John 8 verse 24 Unless you believe that I am he, you will 192 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,920 die in your sins. Jesus says on that occasion. 193 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,400 Mark the 2nd chapter verse 10. He says, but so that you may 194 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,160 know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive 195 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,280 sins. He says to the paralyzed man, I 196 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,960 say to you, go get up, pick up your pallet and go home. 197 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,600 John the 14th chapter verse 29. Now I have told you before it 198 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 happens, so that when it happens you may believe. 199 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,080 Matthew 22 verse 15. Then the Pharisees went and 200 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,520 plotted together how they might trap him in what he said. 201 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Mark the 3rd chapter verse 19. Judas Iscariot also, who also 202 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 betrayed him. A reference here to one of his 203 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,600 disciples, one of the apostles there at that time. 204 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Again John the 19th chapter verses 14 and 16. 205 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,560 That He was crucified on the ether eve of the Passover is 206 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,160 what it testifies to. There He was crucified by 207 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Pilate. John 19 verses 15 and 16. 208 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Matthew 27 verse 45. Now from the 6th hour darkness 209 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,600 fell upon the land, until the 9th hour. 210 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Matthew 27 verse 51. And behold, the veil of the 211 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,280 temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook, 212 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,560 and the rocks were split. Luke 24 verses one through 3. 213 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,720 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they come, 214 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,080 and they were come to the tomb, breeding spices which they had 215 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,200 prepared, And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 216 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,080 And when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord 217 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,880 Jesus. John 20, verse 20. 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,680 And when he said this, he showed them both his hands and his 219 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:23,120 side. The disciples then rejoiced when 220 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,800 they saw the Lord in Acts 10, verses 39 through 42. 221 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,640 We read a portion of this a little earlier. 222 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,440 We are witnesses of all these things that He did, both in the 223 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,000 country of the Jews, in Jerusalem. 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,560 They also put Him to death, hanging Him on a cross. 225 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 God raised Him up on the third day, and granted that He might 226 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,560 be, that He be revealed not to all the people, but to witnesses 227 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,400 whom He had chosen beforehand, who had been chosen beforehand 228 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,360 by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He rose 229 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,520 from the dead. And He ordered us to preach to 230 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,080 the people, and to testify solemnly that this is the one 231 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,640 who has been appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. 232 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,400 Again. Titus 2, verses 11 and 12. 233 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,200 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to 234 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,800 all people, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly 235 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,440 desires, and to live sensibly, righteously, and godly in the 236 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,160 present age. Acts 2, verse 42. 237 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,840 They continue devoting themselves to the apostles 238 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,480 teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to 239 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,640 prayer. And so here is our profile that 240 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,120 we have put together concerning Jesus. 241 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Born in Judea during the reign Tiberius season. 242 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,120 Born of a virgin carpenter's son. 243 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Taught repentance, taught brothers, taught that their 244 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 brothers and sisters through faith wise. 245 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,520 He had wise new teachings and miraculous powers. 246 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,440 He claimed to be the Messiah and God. 247 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,840 He predicted the future. Persecuted by the Jews, betrayed 248 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,600 by Judas Iscariot, crucified on Passover Eve, crucified under 249 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,040 Pontius Pilate's authority. The sky grew dark at his 250 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,200 crucifixion Earthquake. There was an earthquake at his 251 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,800 crucifixion. The tomb was empty. 252 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,720 He appeared to his disciples and showed his wounds. 253 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,680 His disciples claimed he was resurrected. 254 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,600 The disciples claimed he had ascended. 255 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,680 Disciples followed a high moral code. 256 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,720 In this he had a disciple named Matthew. 257 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Disciples were persecuted for their faith and the disciples 258 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,240 met to worship him. So this is a testimony. 259 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:22,200 This is a profile we have simply drawn from scripture here in of 260 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Jesus. Now what if we erased the Bible? 261 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,280 What if it wasn't there? What would the pro, What would a 262 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,400 profile be that we could draw from historical documents, non 263 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,360 biblical writings, secular writings about him, testimony 264 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,040 related to Jesus. If it was gone, the Bible 265 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,480 testimonies rather than Jesus, what could there be? 266 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,000 So it's all been erased. It's no longer there. 267 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,240 So what could it be? Well, there is evidence for 268 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,200 Jesus outside the Bible. And the interesting thing about 269 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,680 evidence for Jesus outside the Bible being said, well, 270 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,840 Christians could write about him, you know, outside the Bible 271 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,400 and say these things. And people, people who are 272 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,360 members of the faith and believers in Jesus throughout 273 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,920 history could write about him and all this stuff. 274 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,200 That's not what we're talking about here. 275 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,520 We're talking about people who did not like him, people who are 276 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,840 hostile to Jesus. They were not Christians. 277 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,720 They were not at all. They were not at all. 278 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,920 Many of most of these were not at all amicable to the Christian 279 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,960 faith. They were against Christ and 280 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,960 against the Christianity and, and all of these things. 281 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 So this is what we want to look at here on this. 282 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:54,200 And so because oftentimes in a, in a, in a trial, they can take 283 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,120 somebody who's on trial and they can, they can interview them and 284 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,920 they'll tell their story there. But then they take somebody who 285 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,920 may be their enemy, who may be against them in the trial and 286 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,440 they're interview that person too. 287 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,160 And you know what, the person who is opposed to the to the 288 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,600 opponent in the trial, you know what the some of the things they 289 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,840 say will corroborate and verify the things what they testified 290 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,360 about. This is what we have here in 291 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,480 this. These are hostile witnesses. 292 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,000 These are hostile witnesses that we are building this case or 293 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,440 building a case for evidence of Jesus outside the Bible. 294 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,760 And so here we have our first category is hostile non biblical 295 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Pagan accounts. These are not Bible based. 296 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,280 They are not Jews, they are not Christians. 297 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,320 These are pagans. These are people who were not at 298 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,040 all affiliated, not at all affiliated with the faith in any 299 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,880 ways, not even the Hebrew faith there Thallus in 52 AD Thallus 300 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,240 thallus was this is generally he was hostile, generally hostile 301 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,680 to Christianity and many writers denied the miraculous name of 302 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,960 nature of Jesus and the events of his life. 303 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,240 And so here Thalis is perhaps the earliest secular scholar 304 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,599 writer to mention Jesus. He is so ancient that his 305 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,359 writings don't even exist anymore. 306 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,280 So how do we know they decide anything about it? 307 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,680 Because somebody quoted him is why a man by the name of Julis 308 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,920 Africanus around 221 AD he writes and he quotes Thalis who 309 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,680 had tried to explain away the darkness that Jesus crucifixion. 310 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,720 Here's what he said here's what he said Thalis wrote. 311 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,760 He said on the whole on the whole world they're oppressed 312 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,840 the most fearful darkness and the rocks were rent by an 313 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,000 earthquake in many places in Judea and other districts were 314 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,360 thrown down this darkness. Thalis in the third book of his 315 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,160 history calls as appears to be without reason and eclipse of 316 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,160 the Son. So Julius Africanus said said 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,480 this. And so from Phallus's record 318 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:11,320 recorded by Julius Africanus, we understand Jesus lived, Jesus 319 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,040 lived. Notice Jesus lived, He was 320 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,360 crucified. There was an earthquake in 321 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:18,400 darkness at the point of his crucifixion. 322 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,880 So he was opposed to Jesus. But from his testimony, we can 323 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,680 understand, we can pull out these things from what he said 324 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320 there. Another one, Tacitus in 56 to 325 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,920 120 AD Cornelius Tacitus, known for his analysis and examination 326 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,480 of historical documents. It was among the most trusted of 327 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,360 ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor 328 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,280 Vespatian and also Pro Council of Asia. 329 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:48,880 In Tacitus annals in 1116 AD, he describes Emperor Nero's 330 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,120 response to the great fire in Rome and Nero's claimed claim 331 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,000 and efforts to blame it on the Christian. 332 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,480 Consequently, he wrote consequently to get rid of the 333 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,560 report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted most exile 334 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:11,920 exquisite tortures. Oh, Salas, let's let's come on. 335 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:21,440 Come on there, Testus. OK, as you said, as you said, as 336 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Wade said, it may not work. So we're we're we're we're not 337 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,320 having that work anymore. OK, we're not using that. 338 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,040 I'll just use the arrows here and go there. 339 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,520 So consequently, in order to get rid of the report, Neil fasten 340 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,960 the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class 341 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,440 hated by for their ambition abominations called Christians 342 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,080 by the populace. Christus, as Christ, from whom 343 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,560 the name had its origin, suffer the extreme penalty during the 344 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,880 reign of Tiberius, at the hands of one of our procurators, 345 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,520 Pontius Pilate. And a most mischievous 346 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,920 superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out. 347 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,560 Not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in 348 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Rome were all things hideous and shameful from every part of the 349 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,640 world. And their center. 350 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,160 And find their center and become popular. 351 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,680 So what can we understand from Tacitus testimony? 352 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,200 That Christus lived in Judea. Christ, if you will, lived in 353 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560 Judea. He was crucified under Pontius 354 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Pilate. His followers are persecuted for 355 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,280 their faith in Christ, and they were referred to as Christians 356 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,560 there by the populace. Another one, Merabar Sapion in 357 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,120 8070, wrote in 8070, Merabar Sapion. 358 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,240 Sometime after 8070, a Syrian philosopher, Merabar Sapion, 359 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:45,200 wrote to encourage his son, and he compared the life and and 360 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,080 persecution of Jesus with other philosophers who are persecuted 361 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,880 for their teachings and for their thought. 362 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,400 And so he was trying to encourage his son. 363 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,920 In that he demonstrates that Jesus is known to be a real 364 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,800 person and with this kind of influence and and with this kind 365 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,680 of influence is important an important person because he's 366 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,880 referring to him to encourage his son to endure the problems 367 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,480 that he was dealing with. He refers here in this writing 368 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,800 to Jesus as the wise king. What benefit? 369 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,880 Here's what he said. What benefit did the Athenians 370 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,200 obtain by putting Socrates to death? 371 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Famine and plague came upon them as judgement for their crime. 372 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,160 Or the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras in in one 373 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,040 moment their country was covered with sand. 374 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,680 Or the Jews by murdering their wise king after their Kingdom 375 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,040 was abolished. God rightly avenged these men. 376 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,440 The wise king lived on in the teachings he enacted. 377 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,800 And so this would be after basically, basically after the 378 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,920 destruction of Jerusalem when he wrote this and he's telling his 379 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,120 son here, encouraging him and continuing on with even though 380 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,840 he has opposition under what he is believing and what he is 381 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,720 practicing here. So Meribahn Sapien said that 382 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,160 Jesus was a wise, influential man. 383 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,960 He died for his beliefs. The Jewish leaders were 384 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,840 responsible for his death and Jewish followers, Jesus 385 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,720 followers adopted his beliefs and lived their lives 386 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,000 accordingly. According to Meribahn Sapien 387 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,160 Felgian, another one Felgian was similar to Thalus. 388 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Julus Africanus also mentions a historian, Fallegian who wrote a 389 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000 chronicle of history around 140 AD. 390 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Fallegian's history also mentions the darkness 391 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,600 surrounding the the crucifixion. Allegian records that in the 392 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,280 time of Tiberius Caesar at full moon there was a full eclipse of 393 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,960 the sun from the 6th to the 9th hour. 394 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,960 And interesting thing is that there's during the Passover, 395 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,480 during the Passover, there's a full moon out there. 396 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,480 And so you could not have an eclipse of the sun during the 397 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,080 time of full moon simply because they're on the wrong side of 398 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000 the, you know, the sun and the moon are on the wrong side of 399 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,680 the Earth for that to happen there. 400 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,120 So the darkness at the time of the crucifixion was not, was not 401 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,560 a, was not a, what do you call those? 402 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Yeah, I never mind. It was it wasn't where the where 403 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,240 the sun's covered up by the moon. 404 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,760 Sometimes I can't, I can't remember my words. 405 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Forlegion also is mentioned by Origin. 406 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,640 Now Origin was a sympathizer to Christianity. 407 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,640 He was one who believed in Christ. 408 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,160 But he wrote about what Forlegion wrote. 409 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Here's what he said. Now Forlegion in the 13th and 410 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,720 14th, in the 14th book, I think of his chronicles not only 411 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,880 ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events, but he also 412 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,600 testified that the result corresponded to his predictions. 413 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,520 In other words, Jesus predicted new future events and predicted 414 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,960 it and it happened. And with regard to the eclipse, 415 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,920 eclipse, that's the word I was trying to find with regard to 416 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760 the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign 417 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,120 Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great 418 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,360 earthquakes which then took place. 419 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,560 Then again, he says Jesus while alive was of no assistance to 420 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,000 himself. In other words, he didn't defend 421 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,920 himself, but that he arose after death and exhibit the marks of 422 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,680 his punishment and showed how his hands had been pierced by 423 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,160 nails. And this was Origin and origin 424 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,560 was writing against the false teachings of Celsius. 425 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,520 There is what I was doing. So here we have from this that 426 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,360 Jesus accurately predicted the future. 427 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,960 He was crucified during Tiberius Caesar's reign. 428 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,000 He was resurrected and he showed his wounds to his disciples 429 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,440 there after that Pliny the younger 61 to 113 AD they he 430 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,640 said they the Christians now Pliny the younger a little bit 431 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,240 about him. Pliny the Younger, he is a non. 432 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,880 He was Blimey. The Younger wrote this in a 433 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,440 letter to the Emperor Trajan, and he describes the lifestyle 434 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,480 of Christians as what he is doing here. 435 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600 He says they, the Christians, were in the habit of meeting on 436 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,000 a certain fixed day before it was light, and when they sang in 437 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,440 alternate verses a hymn to Christ as to a God, and bound 438 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,960 themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never 439 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,080 to commit any fraud, theft, or adultery. 440 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be 441 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,800 called upon to deliver it, to deliver it up. 442 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,680 After which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble 443 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,000 to partake of food, the food of an ordinary and innocent and 444 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,240 innocent kind. So plenty of the younger shows 445 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,280 that Christians believe Jesus was God. 446 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,480 Christians upheld a high moral code, and these earlier 447 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,920 followers met regularly to worship Jesus. 448 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Now they have some other things in there which they misdescribe 449 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,200 about the the Lord and about the Christians. 450 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040 But they do describe some elements that are simply 451 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,880 verified, verified Scriptures. In this Suetonius, about 69 to 452 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480 140 AD. He was a Roman historian and 453 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,080 analyst of the imperial house under Emperor Hadrian. 454 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960 He describes the treatment of Christians under Emperor 455 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,600 Claudius about the time 41 to 51 AD there. 456 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,680 Here's what he writes. Because the Jews at Rome, 457 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,640 because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the 458 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,400 instigation of Christus, that is Christ, he, Claudius, expelled 459 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,720 them from the city and from the city from Rome. 460 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,080 And that's referred to in in the book of Acts, if I'm not 461 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,560 mistaken there on that he goes further to say about Nero. 462 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,560 When Nero was emperor, Nero inflicted punishment on the 463 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,800 Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious 464 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,160 belief as what Cetonius said. And so we can understand from 465 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,920 Cetonius that Christians were committed to their belief that 466 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,400 Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the 467 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,600 Romans. Jesus followers died 468 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,240 courageously for what they knew to be true. 469 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:09,800 So next we save we see Lucian of Salmon Salma Samosada 1:15 to 470 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,000 200 AD. Lucian was a Greek satirist and 471 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,120 he wrote very sarcastically about Christ and about 472 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,800 Christians. But in the process, this is a 473 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080 this is an ancient comedian, basically what it was. 474 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,520 And but in the process, he affirmed that they were true. 475 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,040 He actually affirmed their their, their reality that they 476 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,920 were real people and never referred to them as fictional 477 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,840 characters. Here's what he writes. 478 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,080 The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day, the 479 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280 distinguished personage who introduced them to their novel 480 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,880 rights and was crucified on that account. 481 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,520 You see, these misguided creatures start with the general 482 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,720 conviction that they are immortal for all time, which 483 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,280 explains the contempt of death and voluntary self devotion 484 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,040 which are so common among them. And then it was impressed on 485 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,200 them by their original lawgiver, that they are all brothers from 486 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,200 from the moment they are they are converted, and deny the gods 487 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,880 of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after 488 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,680 his laws. All this they take quite on 489 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,640 faith, with the result that they despise our worldly goods alike, 490 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,000 regarding them merely as common property. 491 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,880 And so we understand from this what we can see is that we can 492 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,160 add to our description of Jesus that he taught about repentance 493 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,480 and about the family of God. These teachings were quickly 494 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,560 adopted by Jesus followers and exhibited all all around the 495 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,560 world to to all the world around them. 496 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,640 There the next one is 1 called Celsius. 497 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,120 And Celsius was very antagonistic to the claims of 498 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,240 the gospel. But his criticism unknowingly 499 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,640 affirms and reinforces the biblical author's testimony. 500 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,880 He writes extensively and alludes to at least 80 different 501 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,800 biblical quotes in his writings, confirming their early 502 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,800 appearance in history. And in addition, he admits the 503 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920 miracles of Jesus were generally believed by the people. 504 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080 And in the early 2nd century there. 505 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,720 Here's what he wrote. Jesus had come from a village, 506 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440 Excuse me, I come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a 507 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,240 poor Jewish Jewish who has gained her living by the work of 508 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,520 her own hands. His mother had been turned out 509 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,400 of doors by her husband, who was a Carpenter by trade, on being 510 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,760 convicted of adultery with a soul, a soldier named Pantheria. 511 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,480 And now this was, this was something that was circulated 512 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,440 among the Jews apparently at that time. 513 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,200 And Celsius picked up on it there in his writings there. 514 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,000 And being thus driven away by her husband and wondering about 515 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,080 in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a illegitimate child. 516 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,800 We'll just put it that way. Jesus, on account of his 517 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,440 poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. 518 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,920 While he was acquired certain magical powers. 519 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,440 While he was there, he acquired certain magical powers which 520 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600 Egyptians pride themselves in possessing, possessing. 521 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,040 He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers and 522 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960 on the strength of them gave himself out to be a God. 523 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,680 Now this is someone who is antagonistic to the faith, his 524 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840 interpretation of these things about Jesus sin. 525 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,880 So we understand from this that it was claimed that Jesus was 526 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,800 born to a virgin and he recognized that claim. 527 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080 Celsius, an opponent even recognizes that claim. 528 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,080 His father was a Carpenter, he had unusual powers that is 529 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:43,560 magical powers and he claimed to be God hearing this and so those 530 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680 were non Jewish. Those were pagans. 531 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,880 Now let's talk about some of the things just a few things here 532 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,040 that hostile non biblical Jewish accounts. 533 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,240 These are Jewish people who are writing about Jesus mentions the 534 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520 things of Jesus here in their writings. 535 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,680 Now Josephus is probably the most popular one that we're that 536 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:12,920 we are aware of Josephus Josephus about in 37 to 101 AD 537 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440 about his writings there he wrote it writes in more detail 538 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,440 than any other non biblical historian. 539 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,560 Josephus writes about Jesus and his antiquities of the Jews. 540 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,320 He was born just four years after the crucifixion of Jesus. 541 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,440 He was a consultant for Jewish rabbis at an early age, and he 542 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,480 became a Galilean military commander at the age of 16. 543 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,280 So he was a he was a prodigy. He was an eyewitness to much of 544 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,040 what he recorded in the 1st century. 545 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,840 Under the rule of the Roman emperor Vespatian, Josephus was 546 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,560 allowed to write a history of the Jews. 547 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,280 And this history includes at least three passages about 548 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Christians, One which he describes the death of John the 549 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,800 Baptist, one which he mentions the execution of James, which to 550 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,280 whom he describes as the brother of Jesus the Christ. 551 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,400 That's execution we find in Acts 12 is when that happens. 552 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,200 There in a final passage which describes Jesus as a wise man 553 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,360 and the Messiah, There's a lot of controversy. 554 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,040 There's some legitimate controversy about the writing of 555 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,760 Josephus because the first discoveries of his writings are 556 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160 late enough to have been rewritten by Christians who were 557 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,600 accused of making additions to the text and doctoring it up 558 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560 there. So this is a actually a pretty 559 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,200 conservative, conservative reconstruction, stripped of some 560 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,360 of the scholarly reconstructions that were done there in 561 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120 Christian embellishment. Now, here's what Josephus 562 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,680 writes. Now, around this time Live 563 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Jesus, a wise man, for he was a worker of amazing deeds and was 564 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840 a teacher of people who gladly accepted the truth. 565 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,640 He won over both many Jews and many Greeks. 566 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,200 Pilate, when he heard him accused by the leading men among 567 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,080 us, condemned him to the cross. But those who had first loved 568 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,600 him did not cease doing so. To this day, the tribe of 569 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,000 Christians named after him has not disappeared. 570 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,840 And so this is what this is what he said. 571 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840 And so we can understand from him that Jesus lived in 572 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,040 Palestine. He was a wise man and he was a 573 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,760 teacher. He worked among, he worked 574 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,160 amazing deeds. He was accused by the Jews, He 575 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,520 was crucified under Pilot and he had followers who were called 576 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Christians who who strongly believed in him and followed 577 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,160 after him. Now the Jewish Talmud from 400 578 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,400 to 700 AD wrote about Jesus many times. 579 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,880 While the earliest Talmudic writings of Jewish rabbis 580 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,480 appeared in the 5th century, the tradition of those rabbinic 581 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,480 authors indicates that they were faithfully transmitting 582 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,240 teachings from earlier from earlier periods. 583 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,560 And the scholars believe that there are a number of Talmudic 584 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,080 writings referring to Jesus, and many of these writings are said 585 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,880 to use code words to describe Jesus, such as called him balaam 586 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720 or benstata, which means a certain one. 587 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,000 But of our for our purposes, we'll be conservative and limit 588 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,800 our examination to the passages referring to Jesus in a more 589 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600 direct way. And so I want to go to these 590 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,040 notes rather than those notes because those notes contain some 591 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,600 things that aren't in there. And we don't want to get you off 592 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600 track here. Here's what the Jewish Talmuds 593 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,960 writing Talmudic writing said Jesus practice magic and LED 594 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:38,159 Israel astray is what was said. Rabbi Hasda said that Rabbi 595 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,239 Jeremiah Barabba said what is that which is written No evil 596 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,639 will befall you, nor shall any plague come upon your house. 597 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,760 Psalm 91 verse 10, No evil will befall you means that evil 598 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,080 dreams and evil thoughts will not tempt you, nor shall any 599 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560 plague come near your house means that you will not have a 600 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,320 son or a disciple who burns his food like Jesus of Nazareth. 601 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,440 So it speaks concerning Jesus and that all rabbis again 602 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,320 another writing. Our rabbis have taught that 603 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,560 Jesus had five disciples, Matthai, Matthew, Nakai, Nazer, 604 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,760 Brunei and Toda. Now I don't know who those other 605 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,480 four are, would not know that. But here's further what the 606 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080 Taimitic writing says. It was taught on the day before 607 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,880 the Passover, they hang Jesus. A herald went before him for 40 608 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680 days proclaiming he will be stoned because he practiced 609 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,880 magic and enticed Israel to go astray. 610 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,320 Let anyone who knows anything in his favor come forward and plead 611 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,400 for him. But nothing was found in his 612 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120 favor, and they hanged him on the day before the Passover. 613 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,560 And So what we can understand from this, what we can glean 614 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,840 from this relative to the teaching of Scripture is that 615 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,200 Jesus had supernatural powers. He led the Jews astray away from 616 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,200 their beliefs. He had disciples who were 617 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,520 martyred for their faith, one named Matthew Mattathai and was 618 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,720 executed on the day before the Passover. 619 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,200 Then there's the Toledet Yeshua, which there's some extensive 620 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,840 writings on this. This is actually, this comes a 621 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920 bit later there. Toledet Yeshua is a medieval 622 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,640 Jewish retelling of the life of Jesus. 623 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,920 It was completely anti Christian. 624 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640 What they want to do is they want to tell the life of Jesus, 625 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,240 but interpret it differently, interpret it differently, 626 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,880 basically is what there. And here's a couple of selected 627 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,120 things from what they wrote about 1000. 628 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,480 A year after that, on the eve of the Passover, Yeshu, that's 629 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,080 Jesus accompanied by his disciples came to Jerusalem 630 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,840 riding on a donkey. Many bowed down before him. 631 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,240 He entered the temple with his 310 followers where that number 632 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,000 came from, one of them, Judah Iscariot. 633 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,680 Judas Iscariot apprised the sages that Yeshua was to be 634 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,160 found in the temple, that his disciples had taken a vow by the 635 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,520 10 commandments not to reveal his identity, but that He would 636 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,280 point him out by bowing to Him. You know, get some of the 637 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,200 stories of the gospel a little, a little misconstrued here. 638 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,680 So it was done and Yeshua was seized. 639 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,720 Yeshua was put to death in the sixth hour on the eve of the 640 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:19,400 Passover and of the Sabbath. Again writings. 641 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,000 On the first day of the week His bold followers came to Queen 642 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,080 Helene to report that he who was slain was truly the Messiah and 643 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,160 that He was not in His grave. He had ascended to heaven as as 644 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,200 He prophesied. So here we find from this from 645 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,840 these writings, even at a later date, the non biblical writings 646 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,280 is that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. 647 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,320 He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. 648 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,080 He was betrayed by a man named Judas Iscariot, Judas Escarito 649 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,040 and had followed had followers who claimed he was resurrected 650 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,960 and ascended and leaving an empty tomb. 651 00:37:54,040 --> 00:38:00,240 So these are some things that we see about about there. 652 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,240 So if there were no testimony about Jesus, we could constrict 653 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,560 from writings hostile to Jesus. These things. 654 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280 From Thallus that Jesus lived and was crucified. 655 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,680 From Tacitus he was called the Christ and followers are 656 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120 Christians. They were executed under he was 657 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,120 executed under Barsapian that he was a wise king. 658 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Phlegian that he predicted the future that Jewish and Jesus 659 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,960 rose after death. Pliny the younger followers 660 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,440 thought that he was God. Setonius Jesus was a real man. 661 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,840 Call and call the cry Christ and and caused Jewish Jewish 662 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,760 disturbance. Celsius allegedly born to 663 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840 virgin. His father was a Carpenter, had 664 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,160 miraculous powers. Josephus, he was a wise man. 665 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,560 His followers reported reported the resurrection and then the 666 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,120 Talmud said that he was executed the day before the Passover and 667 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680 had magical powers. These are some testimony outside 668 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:08,560 the Bible about Jesus. Now let's look here, Bible 669 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,560 testimony versus hostile testimony. 670 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,680 This is the profile that we made earlier about Jesus born in 671 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,320 Judea, Palestine. Oh, the hostile testimony says 672 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,320 that too. During the reign of Tiberius. 673 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,280 Yes, the hostile testimony says that. 674 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,760 Born to a virgin. Yes, verified Carpenter's son. 675 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,040 Taught repentance, taught brothers and sisters through 676 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,960 faith, taught wise and new teachings. 677 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,560 Miraculous powers. Claimed to be the Messiah and 678 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,440 God predicted the future. Persecuted by the Jews, betrayed 679 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,160 by Judas Iscariot. Crucifer on Passover eve, 680 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,440 crucified under Pontius Pilate's authorities. 681 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,800 Sky was dark. A crucifixion earthquake at 682 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,360 crucifixion. Tomb was empty. 683 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,880 Appeared to his disciples, Showed his wounds to his 684 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880 disciples. Disciples claimed he was 685 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,960 resurrected. Disciples claimed he ascended. 686 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,880 Disciples followed a high moral code. 687 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,840 They say he had a disciple named Matthew. 688 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880 He had a disciples. They, his disciples were 689 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,440 persecuted for their faith. Disciples met to worship him. 690 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,560 So we see that not only in Scripture, but we see that 691 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520 verified. By writings even that were 692 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,760 opposed to Jesus, opposed to the faith. 693 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,360 So here you have the testimony of hostile witnesses that verify 694 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,120 what the testimony of the gospel writers say. 695 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,680 And So what do we see here? We see here a character from 696 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,200 history. I think we verify the 697 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,040 historicity, the truth of Jesus that he was indeed a true 698 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,360 character from history. Haven't said anything about what 699 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,400 he did, haven't said anything about what he did really there 700 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,360 some of the teachings, but what we have shown that he was not he 701 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,320 was not a made-up character like Spider Man there. 702 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:59,760 And that's really my lesson. It needed a little PowerPoint 703 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,760 because then it works a little better to throw it out there. 704 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,760 Now, I think Wade wrote all of that down as we did it there. 705 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,480 But no, actually leave it here on this and you can have it in 706 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,720 that sense here. We want to extend the Lord's 707 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,440 invitation. Thank you all for your good 708 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,240 attention here this afternoon while I went through this, went 709 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,120 through some of it rapidly, but just understand, understand this 710 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,800 to understand this is not all that there is. 711 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,720 There is more. There is more than this. 712 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,600 The Jews even in their Talmudic writings, the Talmudic writings, 713 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,520 they even confirm and refer to the fact that that Isaiah 714 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,320 foretold of Jesus. And that's what they say in some 715 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,040 of their some of their writings. They're not exactly their best 716 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,200 interests, but obviously it verifies what the truth is and 717 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,360 what we understand from Scripture to be the truth. 718 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,920 And so there's more that can be said, but this is enough for 719 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,160 today. Here on this, we want to extend 720 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,160 the Lord's invitation. If there are those who need to 721 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,480 obey the gospel or those who need to return to the Lord, 722 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,600 won't you come forward and we'll help you as we can while we 723 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,120 stand the same?