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Ladies and gentlevems, welcome 
back to Lizard Church. 

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Hello, everyone, and welcome 
back to Castle Bravo, a Godzilla

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versus retrospective. 
I'm Derek. 

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And I'm Charlotte. 
And we're two siblings here to 

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examine the history of the 
Godzilla franchise, one movie at

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a time. 
Charlotte, my good bitch. 

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What the fuck is up? 
A lot. 

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So much. 
It has been a little over 10 

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months since the last episode 
released. 

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We took a bit of a bigger break 
than we planned. 

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Yeah, that's definitely the 
longest we've gone between 

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seasons, I'm pretty sure. 
And it wasn't intentional. 

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It's just that so much happened.
So before we get into even what 

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the normal podcast episode pre 
bullshit is, let's really talk a

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little bit because, and I'll 
start for for what the listeners

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should know, because some may 
remember very late last season, 

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my mom died and that kind of 
threw the entirety of my life on

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a a bit of a different 
trajectory. 

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And I became the I like became 
the family probate lawyer and 

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took a relatively complex 
probate case on myself. 

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I should note, I never went to 
law school. 

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So that tied me up until May 
when that was finally that six 

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month waiting period was over. 
And after that I was underwater 

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at work from like the holidays 
onward. 

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So I was working the stupidest 
hours I'd ever worked even back 

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when I was on overnights at at 
the TV station. 

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So eventually I got the fuck out
of there somehow and ended up in

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the civil engineering world. 
Don't ask me how that happens. 

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I just bounce between unrelated 
jobs it turns out. 

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But always upward at least. 
I mean gosh, since then the 

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amount of shit that's happened 
just in the last few months has 

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been wild. 
Right. 

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Like I, I came out as Polly 
polyamorous, not Polynesian, 

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which is a thing that I say 
specifically because there's a, 

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a buddy of mine who was ribbing 
me really bad every time I just 

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said Polly and was like, you 
need to clarify because you're 

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not Polynesian. 
It's like, correct. 

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I am very white. 
Nothing, nothing is occurring 

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with that. 
It's just like a thing to 

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recognize within myself, you 
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started booking doctor's 
appointments again and shit, 

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including therapy, which I 
haven't done for myself in a 

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very like years and years and 
years. 20 in the case of 

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therapy, two or three in the 
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Like I'm taking care of myself 
again. 

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I'm doing good. 
I have, I think mom dying like 

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put me in a position where I 
kind of had to take restock of 

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my life and like the care I was 
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relationships I had with other 
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And it kind of made me want to 
claw back out of that. 

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But it took some fucking time. 
And there kind of hasn't been 

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time to do the the the silly 
Godzilla show. 

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That's fair. 
Yeah, but we motherfucking back.

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We are. 
Charlotte, what has been up with

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you that you are willing to 
divulge in terms of how busy 

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you've been? 
I mean, OK, so I've been, I 

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guess we'll start with with work
stuff for me too, been climbing 

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the corporate ladder 
unintentionally. 

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I don't want to have a career. 
I didn't intend for that. 

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But so like I, I'm an ITI manage
like an IT team and basically my

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boss keeps going. 
You're managing this IT team, 

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really. 
Wow, a trans girl podcaster on 

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an IT department? 
Who could have seen this coming?

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Thanks. 
You tell me you're a programmer 

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too, next. 
I'm sorry I'm busting your chops

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for no fucking reason. 
I don't have the socks if that 

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makes you feel any better. 
The socks. 

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Capital T. 
Capital S. 

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My, my boss keeps being like, 
oh, you know what, You're 

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actually really good at this. 
You can manage more people now. 

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And so it, it, it is happened 
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the of this IT group that 
manages IT for literally 5 

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different companies has 2 heads 
depending on like what they do. 

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I'm one of them. 
Like I'm in charge of literally 

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half of this company that is in 
charge of IT for like 5 

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different companies. 
So that's happening. 

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I didn't, I didn't come out as 
Polly. 

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I just have been. 
Polly, you just. 

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Yeah, quietly. 
Were you? 

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You were like Martha. 
Where Martha? 

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It turns out my wife was just 
quietly polyamorous all along 

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and it just never came up. 
It's very much a well you never 

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asked kind of situation. 
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And I'm also just like, I'm just
personally very difficult to get

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close to and I have to be like 
willing to do that. 

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In general. 
Well, like that was a hard thing

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for me, right? 
Because like, I recognize like, 

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oh shit, I'm polyamorous, but 
like, I thought I was the one 

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true monogamist all these years,
right? 

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And it turns out like, no, I 
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running into anybody that that 
gave me a spark, you know what I

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mean? 
And like, I just had to it's 

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that's where it was Also we had 
to recognize like, oh, I'm also 

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extremely fucking Demi romantic,
right? 

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Like I don't think Demi sexual 
because as I am an omnivore, as 

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we all know, but like I'm, I'm 
yeah, I, I am, I am such an 

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omnivore. 
I eat everything at the buffet. 

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But like I'm married and like no
hookup is, is is worth as much 

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as a powerful relationship. 
So like, if nobody made me want 

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to feel romantic, then like, 
what was the point of, of even 

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considering? 
Like, obviously I'm not going to

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have a fling with you, you know,
like, it'd be different if I was

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single, but it's not worth it. 
But like, yeah, having the 

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recognition of like, oh, oh, 
like gears are clicking into 

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place. 
I get it. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So, you know, because why not 
add more things to my fucking 

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social media bio, right? 
Right. 

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Yeah. 
And also I'm going to be moving 

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out of this, the only state I've
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It's not an awful time for that,
I'm going to be honest with you.

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I mean, it's a great time for 
our city. 

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Our city is a pretty good city 
to be queer in and to be trans 

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in. 
But like, the state sucks. 

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The state of Kentucky sucks to 
be queer or trans in. 

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So yeah, I get it. 
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There's also something about 
like moving someplace and being 

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able to finally like, feel like 
you're making a fresh start. 

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I think sometimes 
psychologically, that's what 

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people need. 
I do need that. 

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You know, I felt that, like I 
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And I think the big difference 
is that like, I have a really 

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good relationship with my little
brother, right, with Brad and, 

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and with my parents. 
And, you know, you, it's just 

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much more fraught for you in 
terms of you and your blood 

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family. 
So like, you don't have the same

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ties. 
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You know, So like it's, it's 
more worth it for you to take 

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that, take that leap of faith, 
you know? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I have friends here, right? 

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I have family. 
You're family. 

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It's also different though, 
right? 

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Like it's different not, not 
like in terms of like me 

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necessarily, but like you and 
your friend group, like you can 

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maintain good friendships from 
afar and you can, you can have 

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like friendships like weaken and
wither because you don't put 

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energy to them when they're 
right next door, right? 

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So like moving doesn't really 
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I mean, the best friends I have 
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in other states. 
You know, John lives in 

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Virginia. 
Britt lives in fucking 

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Louisiana, you know so. 
Yeah, and I mean, I'm, I'm 

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mostly a digital creature 
anyway. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So, Charlotte. 

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Yeah. 
How you doing today? 

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I'm doing all right. 
All right. 

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Just all right. 
Yeah. 

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Just all right. 
OK. 

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Thank you. 
Thank you, McMurray. 

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You know, I don't use anything 
stronger than I'm OK or I'm all 

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right. 
It's always I've I yeah, 

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absolutely. 
I get it. 

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But like, it's OK to be all 
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It it was just Thanksgiving 
weekend that was fraught for all

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of us, you know, nice to have a 
four day weekend. 

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Nice to holy shit, four day 
weekends. 

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What's going on here? 
Yeah, I haven't experienced 

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holidays before, but but yeah, 
like, it's OK to just be all 

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right. 
I'm just all right. 

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You know, I'm, I had, I had 
fraught Thanksgiving shit. 

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And, you know, I had a better 
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But it's, it's, you know, 
complicated personal 

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relationships keep being weird. 
And, you know, I'm rapidly 

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realizing the more I talk about 
the fact that I'm going back to 

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therapy that I might not be 
doing OK. 

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Like I'm doing OK. 
But like, hey, man, maybe, maybe

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some of the shit I'm holding on 
to is not ideal. 

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I made that joke about like, you
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acid as a kid. 
And now when I look into 

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mirrors, I see Silent Hill. 
And it's like, that's not a 

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thing that most people can hear.
When that many people hear that 

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and go, are you OK, bud? 
Like yeah, you said. 

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That and like, I know all the 
context around that in general, 

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but it's. 
Not an exaggeration, but like. 

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It's not an exaggeration. 
I'm also like, I, I don't know 

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what that feels like. 
I'm yeah, you know. 

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I'm sorry that I look into 
mirrors and it's just fucking 

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Cyano Utah but like, oops, you 
know, as as Martha and Britt 

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have both taken to yelling at me
for saying it is what it is, 

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fuck it we ball. 
Fuck it, we ball, is the mantra 

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of 2025 S. 
That's I didn't used to be like 

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that, but I am like that now. 
I'm a big believer in party 

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nihilism, you know what I mean? 
That like, like, look, let's, 

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let's call it what it is like 
this fucking election we just 

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went through sucks total shit 
and I don't feel very good about

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most of you fucking people out 
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But like, you know what is 
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I like I, I couldn't have 
changed it. 

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I all I can do is get through 
this shit and drag some people 

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with me and make some people 
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So fuck it, we ball indeed. 
I am going to drink and party 

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and smash and and crack up my 
way through these next four 

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years and the rest of my life, 
if we're being honest. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So fuck it, we ball. 

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So holy shit, season 4 did not 
know that we'd get here. 

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I thought for sure we were going
to fuck this up before now, but.

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How? 
I true, there's so many ways. 

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I mean, just burning out, right 
would have been one way and a 

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very feasible way, all things 
considered, given the scope of 

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what we were approaching. 
You you don't know secret about 

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this podcast. 
Sure. 

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I did not know how many Godzilla
movies there were when I agreed 

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to it. 
I genuinely thought we were 

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going to be doing like, oh, 
there's going to be like 12 Volt

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podcast. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And your number keeps growing 
since we agreed to do this shit 

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because hang on, how many, how 
many were there when we started?

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I think when we started, 
Godzilla versus Kong was 

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upcoming, and since then there 
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and Godzilla -1 and Godzilla X 
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The New Empire sets three more 
movies in that time frame. 

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Plus there have been two fairly 
high profile series we may 

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actually want to cover. 
And that's not counting other 

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shit that will be incoming. 
So is. 

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This right? 
Is it called singular point? 

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Godzilla singular point. 
Yeah, that's the that's the 

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anime that fucking rips. 
That's you are going to be in 

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like a year when we get to it. 
You are going to be so into 

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singular point. 
It's so Charlotte Corps. 

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Yeah, maybe longer, who knows. 
That's so fucking funny. 

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I'm glad you didn't know what 
you were signing up for. 

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I. 
Had no idea. 

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But fuck it, you committed so I.
Did and I'm doing it. 

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Hell yeah. 
So where we left off at the end 

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of Season 3, right? 
We had this wonderful hey, say 

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era of movies from the mid 80s 
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You know that like we were both 
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I thought they were going to be 
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pretty. 
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remembered just how well they 
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like how serious they were going
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several of the kinds of themes 
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coaster we went on with that 
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queen Belvera. 
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very complicated thoughts we had
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kind of fascinating to 
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point in time, especially now 
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doesn't feel like it just ended 
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But but that's sure what it felt
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Godzilla came out. 
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This is the easiest part to 
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if you were alive in the 90s, 
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Godzilla, the Matthew Broderick 
Godzilla, and you remember it 

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feeling like for at least a 
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fucked. 
You know, this is this is bad. 

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And who knows when it'll be good
again. 

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And the answer to that was a 
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Toho, Toho, listen to this Toho 
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Godzilla hits theaters, right? 
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walking out of screenings, 
famously Kenpachi Rosatsuma. 

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I think I've got the name right.
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walked out mid screening and 
several other people did as 

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well. 
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Godzilla movie, that's not a 
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No, I think I'd cry about that. 
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my 13th reason why like, but 
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time frame here, because I do 
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recognize how tight the turn 
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So Godzilla, the Tristar 
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which means Godzilla 2000 starts
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it releases in it gets its its 
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festivals in November of 99. 
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month, a year and three months. 
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a year and three months from the
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it hitting theaters. 
That's very tight. 

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That's crazy. 
Very tight. 

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Toho was like we got to get 
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We have to be on damage control.
This this movie is is ruining 

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everything. 
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that they cancelled any further 
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but we did not talk about how 
desperately they needed 

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something out on shelves because
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break, right? 
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and they got a couple, they got 
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So they they went back and they 
assembled everybody they can get

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their hands on from the hey say 
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like on no notice. 
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Takao Okawara who was there for 
Godzilla versus Mothra, Godzilla

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versus Mechagodzilla 2 and 
Godzilla versus Destroyer. 

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I think versus Mothra and versus
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movies out of the hey say run in
my opinion. 

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So like we love this guy. 
Good director. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
The writer was Wataru Mimara, 

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who we talked about wrote for 
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Mechagodzilla, and he didn't 
have a lot of credits to his 

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name before Versus 
Mechagodzilla. 

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So this is, you know, we we said
that movie's fine, right? 

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Like writing wise it's just kind
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it works. 
Yeah, simple can be fine, yes. 

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Also in the writer's seat, 
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work on the script together. 
We had Hiroshi Kashiwabara, who 

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was the writer of Godzilla 
versus Space Godzilla, and I 

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need to issue a correction. 
A rare moment of me getting 

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something completely wrong. 
I am pretty sure on the Godzilla

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versus Space Godzilla episode, I
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lot of credits to his name. 
I could be incorrect in my 

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memory, but I'm pretty sure I 
said that and it turns out I 

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just didn't do any research at 
all. 

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I basically went, he doesn't 
have a link on Wikipedia. 

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And to be fair, this was days 
before my mother passed and I 

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knew it was coming. 
So I was not in a good headspace

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to be like doing content. 
So yeah, I I was a little lazy 

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on the research that episode, 
but it turns out Kashiwabra has 

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like a really long list of 
credits including a shit load of

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Lupon the Third. 
Like so much loop on the 3rd 

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that this man has. 
Written for. 

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That's a big credit. 
Yeah, like that's that's easily 

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the biggest thing I saw in terms
of like a a huge consistent 

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thing that's popular in 
mainstream ish culture that 

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people would know of. 
Don't explain to me how versus 

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Space Godzilla went so fucking 
wrong then, because that was all

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in the writing room. 
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I just want to issue correction.
You do in fact have to hand it 

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to him. 
Just not for that movie. 

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And then for special effects, 
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who we saw leading special 
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He eightied special effects on 
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And we really like the special 
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of Motha 3, especially that King
Ghidorah design and that and the

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head and the eye. 
Oh shit, I'm thinking about that

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shot again of the close up of 
the eye. 

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Fuck. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

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He he knows what he's. 
Doing. 

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Yeah. 
And then for our composer, we're

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bringing back Takayuki Hatori, 
who did the score for Godzilla 

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versus Space Godzilla. 
You may remember that was the 

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one thing I was super high on 
for that movie and would go on 

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to do like or had by now had 
already done the soundtrack for 

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an Odeshiko, which I've told you
is very Charlotte core. 

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You would love Martian successor
Nadeshiko. 

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Yeah, and it's it's a 90s anime.
Yeah, it's a 90s anime. 

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It looks fucking great because 
it's like pre Digipane era, you 

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know what I mean? 
It's all, it's all analogue, 

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it's all drawn in cells and shit
and it looks so good and it's 

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everywhere. 
You can watch it on like any 

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streaming service at this point.
I think. 

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So like, they managed to pull 
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creative production crew of 
people who had worked on mostly 

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very good recent movies. 
So like, we're in, or at least 

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their contributions were very 
good. 

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So we've got the creative team 
on hand to potentially do 

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something with this. 
Tristar has agreed to produce 

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and put some real money into the
marketing. 

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You know, like the conditions 
are there. 

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It's just a very tight timeline.
Can they pull it off? 

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We're going to find out. 
Charlotte, tell us what happens 

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in Godzilla 2000. 
OK, so the movie opens on a man 

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and his daughter. 
They're like adjusting some some

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sensors and there's a woman in 
the car nearby. 

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She's cleaning your camera. 
And they're waiting for 

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something to happen, you know, 
on their seismographs because 

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they're like, well, we're 
waiting for something. 

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We don't want to disappoint our 
client. 

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And then something starts 
moving. 

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And then we cut to like this, 
this, this lighthouse, this 

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like, tower near the, the ocean.
And they're on the radio talking

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about how a ship's gone missing.
And then there's, there's an 

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earthquake and then there's 
Godzilla. 

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And the missing ship is in 
Godzilla's mouth. 

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Oh my God, this little sequence 
as they go up the lighthouse and

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the lighthouse like is like the 
light from it keeps like cycling

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over and showing just the ship 
and then the ship and then the 

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mouth. 
It's it's So what a flex. 

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What a great sequence. 
Yeah, they were really showing 

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off the suit with that. 
Too. 

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Oh yeah, And they were like, we 
don't want to hide. 

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We're going to show you this 
motherfucker early from the 

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beginning. 
Yeah. 

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We are doing the opposite of 
Godzilla 98 in all ways. 

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Yeah, so this was Godzilla 2000.
Is it, you know, Godzilla 

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Millennium? 
That's what it has on there. 

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Godzilla has the the ship in in 
his mouth and he snaps it in two

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and this electrical tower almost
falls down on the guy working on

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the lighthouse. 
And like, you know, he probably 

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retired after that. 
Oh, yeah, I love it. 

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Like falls and he like, crouches
down and accepts his death and 

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he. 
There's a whole very Charlie 

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Chaplin style. 
Yeah, I think this and a brief 

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exchange with the man and his 
daughter and like the other 

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woman that's in the car with 
them right before the sequence, 

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I because like the the 
daughter's a bit of a little 

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shit, you know, like the way she
talks to grown-ups is not the 

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way that like they just let me 
know immediately. 

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Like, OK, from a Japanese 
perspective, this movie is funny

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as shit, you know? 
And I, that's when I realized, 

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like, oh, we're in for a good 
fucking time. 

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Even if this movie might be 
messy, it might be. 

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We don't know. 
It's gonna be a little funny. 

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Yeah, and there's a lot of 
slapstick in it, too. 

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Oh, yeah, Yeah. 
So Godzilla heads inland and 

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there there's more earthquakes. 
And Godzilla just doesn't care. 

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They're just destroying homes, 
bars with its tail. 

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Doesn't, doesn't care. 
And our little science crews 

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driving through through this 
landslide and they almost fall 

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under the ocean and they they 
raise up their lights and 

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there's a Godzilla just standing
there like menacingly. 

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Once again, great. 
It's very much like the 

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lighthouse shot, right? 
They have like the moving 

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floodlights on the front of the 
car and it like angles up and 

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angles up and angles up and 
there's Godzilla and it's like, 

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oh fuck. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And he stares them down for a 
second and something that I 

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think is really cool, and they 
go into this several times, 

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their electronics start 
scrambling because of all the 

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radiation. 
Yes, Godzilla. 

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I don't think they've gone into 
that, like at all. 

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No, I don't believe at any point
up till now have they really 

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gone into like hey, being close 
to Godzilla means incredible 

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amounts of of radiation being 
put off by him. 

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Maybe not enough to be like 
immediately dangerous to a 

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person, but it it scrambles 
electronics and other things, as

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we will find out. 
Right. 

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The the photographer lady who 
for a long time we don't learn 

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her name. 
It takes like a long time to 

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learn her name. 
She uses her camera flash into 

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Godzilla's eye, and Godzilla 
starts screaming and takes a 

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swing at them and they try to 
escape. 

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Godzilla follows them like this 
movie has, like, immediate 

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action scenes. 
Yeah. 

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The most realistic backwards 
driving I've ever seen, running 

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into the wall immediately and 
never leaving it. 

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Yeah, so then we kept to this 
fancy dinner, and there's like a

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bunch of government officials 
and the the head of crisis 

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control intelligence is informed
that Godzilla has landed. 

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And this movie, I had to look to
be sure, but this movie only 

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takes the original into account 
in terms of its lore. 

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It appears to it's so we'll get 
into this more. 

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Well, we can get into this now, 
I guess. 

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A lot of people thought that 
this was a follow up to Godzilla

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versus Destroyer for a long time
and that this is Junior. 

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A lot of people thought because 
this movie is very vague, it 

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doesn't really tell you anything
about what came before It just 

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that Godzilla is a thing that 
exists and we've been dealing 

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with him for a while. 
So because it's such a blank 

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slate, it was easy for people to
see it as the beginning of like 

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the junior era, you know? 
And that's not the case. 

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It it basically only follows up 
the original 1954 Godzilla 

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again. 
So it's it, it kind of feels 

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like a hey say style reboot 
again for the Millennium era. 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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And I mean, the reason that I 
brought that up now is just 

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because it's kind of relevant to
how they react to them. 

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Yeah. 
Because like, they know what 

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00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Godzilla is. 
They dealt with it before and. 

450
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,240
This is not the surprise. 
Like in Return of Godzilla, 

451
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,160
where they were like, holy shit,
Godzilla again. 

452
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,880
They're like, yeah, Godzilla's 
been here. 

453
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,160
Right. 
Like they have sensors and stuff

454
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,320
everywhere for Godzilla 
specifically, but we'll get into

455
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,880
that. 
So Godzilla continues to be a 

456
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:14,320
general menace walking forward 
very slowly and the the crew 

457
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,520
continues to drive out like 
towards Godzilla to take 

458
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,960
pictures. 
And I didn't right? 

459
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Who said this? 
I think it was Shinoda though, 

460
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,320
which is the father. 
He was like, do do you think 

461
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,520
that Godzilla, like, hates the 
energy created by human beings? 

462
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Lines that go hard. 
Yeah. 

463
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,680
And so then we go to the East 
Coast and there's a submarine. 

464
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,320
It's like a CCI submarine 
planting some more Godzilla 

465
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,320
sensors, like deep underwater 
and like some caves and stuff, 

466
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,840
and they explore these like 
super heated trenches 

467
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080
underwater. 
They find this weird tunnel and 

468
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,640
then they leave it at that. 
For now, the photographer girl, 

469
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,400
her name's Yuki, so I'm going to
call her Yuki from now on 

470
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640
because it's a lot shorter. 
Yuki's pictures didn't turn out 

471
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,200
so well due to the 
radioactivity. 

472
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,960
You're on Godzilla. 
I love this fucking detail 

473
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760
because Shinoda even warns her 
you should swat. 

474
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Like after there's a bit where 
they're driving, after they've 

475
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,320
sort of escaped Godzilla and 
they're much farther away and 

476
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,760
they're driving down like a 
highway. 

477
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,120
And he's way off in the 
background and she's taking 

478
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,120
photos and he's like, you should
change your film cartridge. 

479
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880
And she's like, shut the fuck 
up, Don't tell me what to do. 

480
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:33,440
And true to science, open 
unexposed film is immediately 

481
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,440
ruined by radiation. 
Yeah, so her photos turn out 

482
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,800
absolute garbage. 
Yeah, he was trying to help. 

483
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,840
He just comes off as Snooty 
about everything. 

484
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Yeah. 
Well, and she's very high 

485
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,080
strung. 
Like that's part of the comedic 

486
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,080
like energy with this group is 
you have kind of the the, you 

487
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,120
know, the the straight man 
father who's a little bit not 

488
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,320
not crazy competent, but he's 
mostly played as like the 

489
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,600
straight man. 
And then you have her being the 

490
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Super high strung lady. 
And then you have the daughter 

491
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,880
who is like hyper competent. 
Yeah. 

492
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Yeah, so the Father Shinoda, 
he's coordinating with others in

493
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,440
the in the GPN, the Godzilla 
prediction network. 

494
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,440
And basically what they do is 
they're they just track things 

495
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,520
that would relate to Godzilla's 
movements to try to determine 

496
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320
where there will be damage from 
Godzilla. 

497
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Because, I mean, what else are 
you gonna do? 

498
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,680
There's a giant lizard. 
You don't think you can kill it?

499
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,480
You just have to move everything
away from it as needed. 

500
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Yeah. 
So his daughter, her name's EO, 

501
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,920
presents Yuki with a contract to
join the. 

502
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,200
The GPN even suggests that she 
would give her a discount. 

503
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Yuki just wants to take more 
pictures. 

504
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
She doesn't want all that. 
But, you know, they should make 

505
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,240
money where they could make 
money. 

506
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,920
So we come back to the CCI and 
they're discussing the, the 

507
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920
discovery that happened 
underwater. 

508
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,880
They found like this big 
meteorite and it's made of a 

509
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,000
material with like a, with high 
magnetism. 

510
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,720
And they're thinking, well, we 
can use this to replace uranium.

511
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,280
Like we, we could have like 
clean energy, we could use this.

512
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,800
And they start to, to raise the 
meteor right out of the ocean. 

513
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,320
But once he gets to a part 
that's well lit enough, the the 

514
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760
meteor just kind of raises up 
out of the ocean on its own and 

515
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
it just, it just sits there. 
Yeah, like it starts rising 

516
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360
faster than the balloons that 
are lifting it up. 

517
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Yeah, like it's rising on its 
own instead. 

518
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,080
So someone calls from Fukushima 
and they give the the crew their

519
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:01,640
next destination. 
So EO and Shinoda tell Yuki that

520
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,200
the epicenter of activities 
moving and, you know, they're 

521
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,360
like, hey, you should come with 
us. 

522
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,760
You want those pictures, right? 
And really, they got her to come

523
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,160
along so that she would pay the 
tolls on the roads, which she 

524
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:23,040
didn't know about beforehand. 
The, the CCI is trying to 

525
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800
determine if the meteorite could
be an alien or something 'cause 

526
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,960
they're like it moved on its 
own. 

527
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,680
This is a living creature. 
It is, it is not a rock. 

528
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
So they, they go South with, 
with the GPN. 

529
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
And since Godzilla's on the way,
they're like, OK, well, there's 

530
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,320
power plants here. 
We need to shut them down. 

531
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Maybe that will do something. 
It'll, it'll at least prevent 

532
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,160
the the power plants from 
exploding. 

533
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,880
So the, the head of CCI, his 
name is Katagiri. 

534
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,080
He flies down. 
And he knew Shinoda before, like

535
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,600
during his time at the 
university. 

536
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Shinoda really believes that 
Godzilla has the life, like the 

537
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,440
secrets to life on Earth. 
So he really wants to study 

538
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640
Godzilla, you know, peacefully 
for that reason. 

539
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160
But the CCI, of course, wants to
kill Godzilla. 

540
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,520
So they've mobilized the 
military because of course they 

541
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,400
did. 
Yeah, so the military plans to 

542
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840
use Godzilla's aggression 
against it basically by 

543
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,960
attacking it, because if you 
attack Godzilla, then Godzilla 

544
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,640
start walking in the direction 
it was attacked from. 

545
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,120
It's 'cause it's it's a big 
lizard. 

546
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,800
I think later it's very obvious 
that Godzilla's not that dumb, 

547
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,920
but for now they think it is. 
So they have these big full 

548
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,400
metal missiles, which are 
basically designed to penetrate 

549
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Godzilla's skin because you have
to get through the through the 

550
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
first layer of scales to even do
any damage. 

551
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,240
So they're planning to use that.
Godzilla appears nearby in the 

552
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600
ocean and triggers like a bunch 
of the undersea mines. 

553
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,160
And so the military starts 
starts firing at Godzilla to 

554
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320
draw Godzilla inland so they 
could fire the missiles. 

555
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,160
And they do that. 
And I mean, the missiles do sort

556
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,120
of work. 
They do punch punch a hole in 

557
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,920
Godzilla. 
They punch so many holes in 

558
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,520
Godzilla. 
Yeah. 

559
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,080
So I mean, they do what they 
were intended to do, but now 

560
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,840
elsewhere they're they're 
realizing that this meteor is 

561
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,719
actually responding to the sun. 
Like it's pointing towards the 

562
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:28,440
sun kind of like a flower would.
And once it's like at a 90° 

563
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,159
angle, like pointed straight up,
it starts flying up and over 

564
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,560
towards Godzilla inland. 
Godzilla immediately tries to 

565
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,360
charge a breath attack gets 
interrupted. 

566
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,520
The meteor has like a big hole 
in it, which is basically it's, 

567
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,400
it's a cannon 'cause it's a it's
a ship, you know, the meteor is 

568
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,080
a ship and it has a main gun on 
the front and it shoots this 

569
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,840
this laser at Godzilla and 
Godzilla just gets knocked back.

570
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960
It's like a concussive laser, 
you know? 

571
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,920
Yeah, yeah. 
So Godzilla and the and the 

572
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,240
meteor ships are trading shots. 
The some of the rock comes off 

573
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,600
it's, it's a big metal craft. 
I popped off about the the 90s 

574
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,320
CGI on this. 
I love it. 

575
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,440
Hell yeah, let's fucking go. 
It looks like the the liquid 

576
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,800
from Terminator or like the main
guy from the Rise of the Robots 

577
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,920
video games, which I'm sure 
everyone's played. 

578
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,160
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah. 

579
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,520
I didn't actually know if he 
did. 

580
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Yeah. 
OK, so the craft inside this 

581
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,720
rock is solar powered and they 
go, OK, well we, we, we woke it 

582
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,760
up with our submarine light 
'cause they have to have really 

583
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,280
high-powered lights to see down 
there, so it makes sense it 

584
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,600
would have enough to wake it up.
They tie the ship down into 

585
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,800
place and the CCI and the 
military are running tests on 

586
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,040
it, trying to figure out what to
do. 

587
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Shinoda shows up and is like, 
hey, we want to use your tools. 

588
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,240
We want to use the military's 
tools to find Godzilla. 

589
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,280
And Katigiri, head of the CCI, 
he's like, OK, fine, but in 

590
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,760
exchange you have to give me all
your information on Godzilla. 

591
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,960
And she noted as like, all 
right, I guess I have to. 

592
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Then Yuki's laptop gets like 
broken into by the ship somehow,

593
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560
like wirelessly. 
We don't know that it's the 

594
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920
ship, but like we know it's the 
ship. 

595
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,600
I mean, it's even in that scene,
like it shows the laptop and 

596
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,520
then it shows her looking at the
ship like hmm, you know. 

597
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Right. 
But the the ship has downloaded 

598
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,120
the Godzilla file from her 
computer. 

599
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,160
And then elsewhere, Shinoda is 
running some tests, and he 

600
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,480
discovers that Godzilla's skin 
can heal itself. 

601
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Like, even if you take a piece 
of Godzilla off, that piece will

602
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,840
heal. 
Yeah. 

603
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,040
And so after some tests, they 
determined that the cells have 

604
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,240
like an infinite regenerative 
quality. 

605
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,960
And they call the the cell that 
does that organizer G1, which is

606
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,480
really long for anything to be 
named. 

607
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,200
But EO arrives, she has the 
Godzilla data, CCI takes the 

608
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,800
data 'cause that was the deal. 
And then the spacecraft breaks 

609
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,200
free of its binds. 
And also like there's a little 

610
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,080
bit of the meteorite left on it.
Now it's completely exposed out 

611
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,080
of that meteorite. 
Now it just is smooth, 

612
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,160
continuous liquid shape from a 
90s rendering program. 

613
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,920
So it takes off and they're 
like, OK, this thing's alive, 

614
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,880
but it's completely inorganic. 
Like there's no organic material

615
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,080
on this thing. 
It flies over the city, and it 

616
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,120
arrives at the building that 
Yuki works in. 

617
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,840
And Yuki is like, oh, well, the 
ship's here. 

618
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
I got to get the scoop. 
But, you know, everybody forces 

619
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,600
her out. 
The city evacuates, and the 

620
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,520
military is like, well, we have 
to figure out what we got to do 

621
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,320
about this. 
And they know that the ship is 

622
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,640
powered by sunlight, so they're 
like, OK, well, the ship's going

623
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,040
to stop where it is on top of 
this building for an entire 

624
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,760
night. 
And it's in Shinjuku right now. 

625
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160
And they're like, we'll just use
the time we have tonight to 

626
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,160
destroy it. 
But even though the ship isn't 

627
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,040
moving, it has these like light 
tentacles coming out of it. 

628
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
They're like wires. 
And it's connecting to all the 

629
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,280
computers in the region. 
And they're all starting to 

630
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,680
malfunction because it's hacking
everything, just hacking the 

631
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,920
entirety of Japan, basically. 
So the military's plan, because 

632
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
it is the military, is that 
they're going to bomb the ship. 

633
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
They're going to they're going 
to set off explosives to destroy

634
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,760
the ship. 
Yukiko's back inside and deep in

635
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,240
these like tower servers with 
her Sony Vaio. 

636
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,360
And. 
She's trying to determine like 

637
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,720
what the ship is after she's 
still in the blast area, she has

638
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,840
like a little chance of getting 
out if it fires. 

639
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880
So Shinoda and EO like rushing 
to save her. 

640
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,160
Shinoda tells the others to get 
Katigiri to to postpone the 

641
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,720
demolition. 
Because now that he's in there 

642
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,640
and he's like, OK, well, I 
didn't want Yuki to risk her 

643
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,120
life, but I'm going to risk my 
life for the exact same thing 

644
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,560
she was just doing and hangs out
to try to figure out exactly 

645
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:34,280
what the ship is after. 
Katigiri, because he's clearly 

646
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,360
an evil man, does not care that 
Shinoda's in there. 

647
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,960
He's like, well, we got to do 
our job, We got to blow it up. 

648
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Oh, his dude is comically 
fucking evil. 

649
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,520
He is just like, fuck it, man, 
whatever. 

650
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,320
We're going to kill Godzilla. 
We're going to destroy this. 

651
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,240
Like, if he's so like ruthlessly
single minded on a view of 

652
00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,320
self-defense that puts people, 
individuals as disposable for 

653
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,840
this. 
Like he's clearly talked himself

654
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,640
into this very Machiavellian 
view of like, yeah, but I'm the 

655
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520
good guy. 
I run. 

656
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,760
I run this aspect of 
self-defense. 

657
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Right, God, cause like he's. 
Cute, but he looks like a like a

658
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:29,160
real shit, you know? 
Yeah, so yeah, he says no, she 

659
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,120
noticed. 
Still inside. 

660
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,280
He doesn't care. 
So as Katakiri's like readying 

661
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,040
to, to use the blast bombs, 
Millennium starts appearing on 

662
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,400
all the computers and you know, 
it starts flashing pictures up 

663
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,360
on the, on everything. 
Shinoda tries to get out. 

664
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,760
He manages to and then after the
explosion where he manages to 

665
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,920
survive, there's more things 
flashing on the screen. 

666
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,080
And it's talking about like the 
prosperous Millennium Kingdom 

667
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
and like technology and it shows
all, all these human 

668
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,880
achievements and stuff like 
that. 

669
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,640
And that's that's what the ship 
is there for is because it wants

670
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,480
to create the Millennium Kingdom
on Earth. 

671
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,400
A thing that makes sense, sure. 
Yeah, sure. 

672
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:18,600
OK Shinoda tries to escape 
building collapses, EO and 

673
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Yukiko after him, and they just 
happened to find him when he 

674
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,960
when he crawls out from under 
like a grate. 

675
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,880
The, the notes in the computer 
state that the ship wants to 

676
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,280
alter the Earth's atmosphere so 
it can live there and again, you

677
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,280
know, make the Millennium 
Kingdom, whatever that means. 

678
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,240
The ship's been gathering data 
on Godzilla so that it can try 

679
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,080
to use Godzilla's cells to 
create a body for itself so it 

680
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,840
can live here. 
So Godzilla shows up, Godzilla's

681
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,560
here now, and Shinoda and 
Karagiri say, well, Godzilla's 

682
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,880
here for revenge. 
So I think even if we were to 

683
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,120
turn off all the power and stuff
like that, I probably wouldn't 

684
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,360
leave. 
So whatever Godzilla approaches 

685
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,280
the ship and the ship's like 
levitates for a second, comes 

686
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,840
back down, and then like all the
wiring under the street comes up

687
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
into like tentacles to like bind
Godzilla. 

688
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,320
And after getting pulled around 
for a while, Godzilla fires its 

689
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,640
breath like all the way up the 
tower at the ship. 

690
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,760
The ship goes to take off, gets 
tail whipped, ship fires back, 

691
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Godzilla's on the ground. 
The ship lands on a nearby group

692
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,120
of towers and starts like, 
pulsing energy downward, like 

693
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,280
down the towers. 
Like, yeah, yeah, I was trying 

694
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,360
to find a good analogy or 
something. 

695
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,800
I couldn't find one. 
But it it hurts Godzilla. 

696
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800
And the building falls on 
Godzilla. 

697
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Energy starts coalescing beneath
the ship. 

698
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,840
There there are tentacles, like 
drawing life out of Godzilla to 

699
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,680
feed this energy ball. 
And a body starts to form from 

700
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680
the energy. 
And it just looks like an alien 

701
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,760
from Metal Slug. 
Yeah, it's and it's all CG and 

702
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,520
it's kind of on the goofy side, 
but like we'll talk more about 

703
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,680
it later. 
I presume it's only there for a 

704
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,720
few seconds, so. 
That's that's one of my thoughts

705
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,960
about it. 
But yeah, so Godzilla's cells 

706
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,040
don't initially work for it. 
And I say initially because they

707
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,200
make it sound like it's just not
going to work because they're 

708
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,200
like, well, Godzilla's cells 
will only work for Godzilla. 

709
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,840
It only makes sense. 
So this this alien from Metal 

710
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,280
Slug collapses. 
Godzilla gets like one really 

711
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,400
good shot in the ship seems to 
be basically destroyed, but like

712
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,960
from the other half of the ship 
Orga emerges like this. 

713
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,760
This alien transformed into Orga
which is like a bad clone of 

714
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Godzilla basically with really 
big grippy. 

715
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Hand it's really not even close 
to a clone of Godzilla like so 

716
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,800
it's weird, right, because 
there's this weird through line 

717
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,720
from the the shape of the UFO 
which is present in the 

718
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Millennium that we see right 
where the the head and body. 

719
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,120
It's weirdly jellyfish like and 
like the top of the head is 

720
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,960
shaped very much like the UFO, 
but then it has those couple of 

721
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,080
tentacle arms that come out that
split into two little branches 

722
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,960
at the end on each one. 
And then it takes the Godzilla 

723
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,880
DNA and becomes this big hulking
reptilian thing. 

724
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,720
But like the the head is this 
tiny little thing on the front 

725
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,960
of a bulging upper body that is 
almost again you see the shape 

726
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,760
of the UFO in there down to like
the position of the shoulder 

727
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,800
cannon being like the UF OS 
cannon and then the arms and in 

728
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,080
those two gigantic like hooking 
fingers. 

729
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,240
But it like it also to me is 
very clear that Orga was 

730
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:57,360
designed before the Millennium 
was, and the Millennium is just 

731
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,880
something that they CGI D as 
like an in between, Yeah. 

732
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Yeah, no, I could see that. 
But like I said, bad clone. 

733
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,160
Yeah. 
So Godzilla starts knocking the 

734
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,040
clone around and then clamps 
down on it. 

735
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,920
But Orga uses its Canon to 
launch Godzilla backwards. 

736
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,680
And the ship, the other half of 
the ship like gets up into the 

737
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,800
air again like sidewinds 
Godzilla, which mostly just 

738
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,720
makes Godzilla mad. 
The ship gets in between the two

739
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
because Godzilla is like 
charging up a a really strong 

740
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,800
breath attack. 
But Godzilla pierces the ship 

741
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,720
and Orga. 
Orga regenerates and the two 

742
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,960
just start fighting. 
They start going at it. 

743
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,720
Orga starts to draining G1 cells
from Godzilla to like complete 

744
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,440
its transformation into Godzilla
if it. 

745
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,800
Like trying to do that, it's 
also helping it regenerate the 

746
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,880
damage because Godzilla's 
blowing holes in him. 

747
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Right, because yeah, Godzilla 
fire's a couple blasts. 

748
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,480
There's there's some gibbing 
involved. 

749
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Orga's on fire now and then Orga
opens the rest of its mouth. 

750
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Horrible. 
It's like. 

751
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,040
Its whole head. 
Horrible. 

752
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,880
And Godzilla agrees with you 
because Godzilla's like. 

753
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Godzilla literally gives a like 
it's difficult to sell this kind

754
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,240
of emotion but Godzilla's 
literally like what the absolute

755
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,920
shit as God as Orga's face like 
splits open and then part of his

756
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,000
body splits open and then the 
stomach unfolds like a flower 

757
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,320
from inside. 
Oh Jesus Christ. 

758
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Horrible. 
But the the good words. 

759
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Yeah. 
But yeah, Godzilla walks forward

760
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,480
like, like into the mouth, 
because Godzilla sees this and 

761
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,920
is like, you know what? 
I've got a great idea. 

762
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,800
What if I just get in the mouth 
and kill it from the inside? 

763
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
So Orga is trying to swallow 
Godzilla whole. 

764
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,480
Doesn't work out particularly 
well for it because Godzilla 

765
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,560
fires off a nuclear pulse and 
just completely melts Orga from 

766
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,840
the inside. 
Everyone else, all of our main 

767
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,680
characters, are like on a nearby
building, no, by rooftop, and 

768
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,400
they're all looking on while 
Godzilla's roaring in victory. 

769
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,520
And then they start doing the 
part of the movie where they 

770
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,360
just start summarizing 
everything because they're like,

771
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,240
you know, it's ironic that Orga 
was brought to life by Godzilla 

772
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,680
and then killed by Godzilla. 
And then Godzilla walks up to 

773
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,920
the roof and everybody starts 
running except Kadigiri, who 

774
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,400
just like, stances up and lights
up a cigarette. 

775
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,520
Which, to be fair, hard, but. 
Right. 

776
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Yeah, but dumb. 
Yeah, Shinoda's. 

777
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,160
Yeah, Shinoda like tries to save
him, but like Godzilla slams the

778
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,160
claw down the roof, collapses 
Kadigiri, you know, he's 

779
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,920
screaming, goes yeah and then 
flying down through the through 

780
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,240
the roof, like you could have 
just moved, but. 

781
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, then they then they start 

782
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,280
talking about the movies themes 
because they're just giving it 

783
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,120
to us this time. 
They're like science is 

784
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,800
progressing in the wrong way and
that's what produced Godzilla. 

785
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,480
And the movie ends with Godzilla
just like destroying more of the

786
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,640
city. 
Like they don't win. 

787
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:36,240
Godzilla doesn't go home. 
Godzilla just keeps going and 

788
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,080
they're like humans made 
Godzilla, and Godzilla is is 

789
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,480
ourselves in everyone's mind. 
And then the credits just roll 

790
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,920
on Godzilla's just killing the 
entire city. 

791
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it. 
And it's great because like we 

792
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:56,920
talked about this a bit in the 
DMS, right? 

793
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:08,080
But Godzilla fires off this like
Godzilla kills Orga, right? 

794
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Like, and, and you don't I I 
love this beat in the fight 

795
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,920
because I think it's already one
of the most memorable fights, 

796
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,640
like individual fights in 
Godzilla franchise history at 

797
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,240
this point, just because of how 
weird Orga is. 

798
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,080
And like Godzilla blasting holes
in him and him just regenerating

799
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,520
that shit. 
And you know, then the whole 

800
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,440
mouth opening and Godzilla 
running into it and you're like,

801
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,600
what the fuck is the plan here? 
Dude? 

802
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Blowing him up from the inside. 
And you watch Godzilla kind of 

803
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,840
like, like, like you just see 
the, the, the, the, the husk of 

804
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,920
Orga's back and legs fall over 
on fire as he's dead. 

805
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,360
Then Godzilla walks over the 
building where all the main 

806
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,000
characters are and says, by the 
way, I'm killing this specific 

807
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,520
dude right now, personally. 
Bam and then walks off into the 

808
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,240
distance as the credits play and
we go, guys, we might have 

809
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,320
fucked up on this one. 
And then as the credits are 

810
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,840
rolling, he takes a moment to 
turn around and blow up a bit 

811
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,840
more of the city and stand there
like fucking akuma at the end of

812
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,600
it. 
Like he put he he akumas. 

813
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,880
He fucking does. 
And it's hard as shit. 

814
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,880
This movie ends by basically 
going like, Godzilla's a 

815
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,400
Godzilla's a God and there's 
nothing you can fucking do about

816
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,000
it. 
I feel like this movie, if its 

817
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:43,560
primary goal was reputation 
repair, holy shit did it fucking

818
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,840
do it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

819
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Yeah. 
This, this really restored 

820
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,320
Godzilla's. 
Like there, there's a fine line 

821
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,200
between at least in prior 
movies, where Godzilla's either 

822
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,440
like a force of nature, right? 
Or it's something with malicious

823
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,440
intent. 
And this Godzilla is both. 

824
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,720
Yes, yes. 
And it's interesting because 

825
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,160
early in the movie you don't 
know how smart he is. 

826
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,080
He does come across as very like
a big lumbering force of nature.

827
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,200
And it becomes clearer the 
further into the movie you get 

828
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,840
that. 
Like, no, this Godzilla is very 

829
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,760
intelligent. 
He's very sapient. 

830
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,600
He's just a mean son of a bitch.
Yeah. 

831
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Yeah, I just, man, holy shit. 
I think I have a lot of opinions

832
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,880
about this movie. 
I think this movie's a fucking 

833
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,280
mess, right? 
Like it's plot doesn't super 

834
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,280
work. 
One of the most important 

835
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,920
details about the plot, and it's
a thing that does. 

836
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,400
Like, there's no natural way, I 
don't think for it to come up in

837
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,760
the movie as is. 
But the Millennium is a fused 

838
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:02,720
being already. 
The Millennium is a an 

839
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,720
amalgamation. 
So the the the the story behind 

840
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:10,080
the spacecraft as it was written
for the concept of the movie is 

841
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,680
that the spacecraft crash landed
on earth and all of the beings 

842
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,160
on board the alien race, you 
know, that crewed the ship fused

843
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:23,360
together into a singular being 
in order to like preserve their 

844
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,840
power and hibernate for all of 
these millions and millions of 

845
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:33,640
years. 
So that's that is the thing that

846
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,040
then wakes up and goes seeking 
for knowledge is it's not just 

847
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,920
one weird monster. 
It is like this fused 

848
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:48,280
amalgamation of an of of an 
entire crew of this alien. 

849
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,120
It's OK, Which I think is like a
super interesting detail, right?

850
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,840
It is it. 
They didn't do anything. 

851
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,800
Yeah, well, right. 
Exactly. 

852
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:06,560
They didn't. 
Yeah, but like that and like the

853
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,760
fact that not a lot really 
happens in this movie in the 

854
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,400
grand scheme of things. 
You know, you have a plot of 

855
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,320
this government agency trying to
kill or this one guy in 

856
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,800
particular running this agency 
trying to kill Godzilla. 

857
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,000
The UFO showing up right as a 
very distinct B plot. 

858
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Those two things combining 
briefly at one point and then 

859
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,000
not really coming together until
the end when Godzilla shows up 

860
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,400
to destroy the Millennium slash 
orga, which is really only as 

861
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,720
big of a problem as it is 
because of Godzilla's existence.

862
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,600
Like, and some of the stuff it 
does like again, the, the, the, 

863
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,920
the, the fact that cables are 
used like psychically maybe to 

864
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,200
tangle up Godzilla. 
There's just a lot about this 

865
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,680
that isn't well established. 
Even the nuclear pulse. 

866
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,880
You don't see the nuclear pulse 
happen until the final moment. 

867
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,600
And that's a thing that might 
have been better foreshadowed if

868
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,360
Godzilla had at some point been 
like, surrounded by a bunch of 

869
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,240
tanks and planes and just like, 
did the pulse and wiped them all

870
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,120
out. 
And then you would see Godzilla 

871
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,040
running into him, like having 
struggled to take enough of Orga

872
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,440
out to keep him down. 
And you would you could piece 

873
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,560
together what the plan was 
instead of being like why the 

874
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,360
fuck did Godzilla dive into his 
mouth? 

875
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,920
Why does Godzilla have a vore 
fetish now? 

876
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,520
So I think that the way that 
I've kind of surmised all this, 

877
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,400
to myself at least, is that this
movie is a Saturday morning 

878
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,000
cartoon. 
A. 

879
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,400
Little bit a little bit. 
Like, it really relies on you 

880
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,680
just knowing what a Godzilla is,
knowing what it can do already. 

881
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
There's just like a monster of 
the week the Godzilla's beating 

882
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,560
up, but then everything just 
goes back to. 

883
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Normal. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and 

884
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,400
that's that's just a thing that 
is true, right. 

885
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,080
So yeah, you know, that's why 
there's no pre established 

886
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:11,440
anything. 
You know why? 

887
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,720
Yeah, I don't know. 
It just, it's, it's a slight 

888
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,480
mess, but at the same time 
there's so much going for it, 

889
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,720
right? 
Because also I think it's kind 

890
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:25,040
of head empty about its 
messages. 

891
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,240
It doesn't really fully figure 
out what it's trying to say or 

892
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,480
why Godzilla is the way he is 
other than just like Godzilla's 

893
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:37,040
pissed and this is what he does.
But Godzilla sure does get 

894
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,720
pissed and wreck shit real good.
And we get a funny group of 

895
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,920
human main characters with a 
particularly hateable human main

896
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,360
villain. 
We get a very memorable like 

897
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,600
enemy monster to fight and we 
get just a truly sick. 

898
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,600
It's, it's the most opposite of 
the 98 Godzilla you can get 

899
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,440
because they're like, what if we
made him Godzilla squared? 

900
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,680
Like if you're listening and 
somehow you don't know what 

901
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:12,280
Godzilla 2000 looks like, please
look up Godzilla 2000. 

902
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:21,360
It is, it is so fucking good. 
It's weird 'cause he's greener 

903
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,800
than we're used to seeing, 
right? 

904
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,160
Yeah, he's very. 
Green but and the face is longer

905
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,160
than we're used to seeing, but 
also both more reptilian and 

906
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,280
more feline like. 
He has actual ears for once. 

907
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,840
Yeah, he's got. 
He's got the little ears. 

908
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:44,520
Yeah, He has these gigantic, 
sharp, like spines instead of 

909
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,560
the, like, underplayed spines 
that we saw before. 

910
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,760
Like, man, it's it's just such 
a, a, a really good design. 

911
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,040
Yeah. 
I'm just in love. 

912
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,080
I'm in love with a lot of these 
shallow elements of this movie, 

913
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,840
even though I recognize it's a 
mess. 

914
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,200
And I think part of that 
contextually is like, it came at

915
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,520
a time when it needed to, right,
when people were not feeling 

916
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,040
good about Godzilla 98. 
And they were like, all right, 

917
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,800
what if we gave you the most? 
So. 

918
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,840
I mentioned seeing this in the 
immediate aftermath of Godzilla 

919
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,040
98 'cause this made it to 
theaters pretty close to on 

920
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,840
time. 
It was like 8 to 10 months 

921
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,680
later. 
But they released like a very 

922
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,840
heavily re edited like 
rewritten, re dubbed version for

923
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,280
theaters. 
And I say rewritten, but like, I

924
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,200
just mean in terms of they 
actually did a lot of work to 

925
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,560
write the script out instead of 
just do a, a basic translation 

926
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,920
to the point that like the 
version that was released at 

927
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,760
American theaters, the American 
version of Godzilla 2000 is 

928
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,480
generally considered the better 
version of the movie in a lot of

929
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,280
ways. 
It it it's pacing is better. 

930
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,880
It takes like almost 10 minutes 
out of the movie, but in the 

931
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840
end, it helps it flow a little 
faster, especially because some 

932
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,480
of the early midpoints are kind 
of, you know, a little clunky. 

933
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,280
Yeah, A. 
Little bit it does replace 

934
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Orga's roars because Orga's 
roars are reused from the 

935
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Cretaceous Ghidorah from 
Rebirtha Motha 3 and there's 

936
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,200
some new pieces that are taken 
from like resampling and 

937
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,480
altering that. 
But it it comes up with like a 

938
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,240
new original roar and the 
dialogue is very funny for what 

939
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,960
it is. 
Which again fitting the tone of 

940
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,080
what the Japanese version is 
trying to be by the 

941
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,320
sensibilities of a Japanese 
audience. 

942
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,680
So yeah like in a rare version 
the American version of Godzilla

943
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:02,480
2000s, maybe the better version 
not by so much that like you 

944
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,680
know I would say don't watch the
Japanese version. 

945
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,680
That's what we watched as the 
Japanese version. 

946
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,760
I think it's a it's not going to
transform the experience, but 

947
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,760
it's better probably. 
There's a huge marketing push 

948
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,760
behind this in the US too, 
right? 

949
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,240
Which makes sense because they 
spent a lot of money re editing,

950
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,920
re dubbing, like putting effort 
into this instead of just 

951
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,000
throwing a Hong Kong dub on it 
and calling it a day. 

952
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,400
So this movie did OK in Japan, 
but it it failed the theatrical 

953
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,000
run failed to make up the 
marketing cost for the 

954
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,120
theatrical run. 
So I mean, I by that manner, 

955
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,640
like it was close, but like it, 
it wasn't good. 

956
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,360
It certainly wasn't the run that
Godzilla 98 had right now. 

957
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,560
Something I didn't know until we
were looking. 

958
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,120
I was looking up stuff about 
this movie. 

959
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,200
There were briefly plans for an 
American made sequel to Godzilla

960
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,560
2000. 
Like the script was mostly 

961
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,200
written out in everything. 
It was going to be directed by 

962
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,840
Joe motherfucking Dante. 
Hey, Charlotte, I'm going to ask

963
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320
you to look up Joe Dante real 
quick so you understand what 

964
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,640
that means. 
Yeah, I'm looking. 

965
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,720
I was like, I recognize this 
isn't hitting for you, please 

966
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,880
look up a filmography. 
Yeah, I'm like, I don't know who

967
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,880
that is. 
OK, this is the Gremlins. 

968
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,720
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean a bunch of other stuff, 

969
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,000
right? 
And small soldiers, which I 

970
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,960
actually kind of like. 
Joe Dante is fucking great at 

971
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,800
what he does. 
Yeah, man, like insane to me to 

972
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:46,440
find this out. 
But yeah, Joe Dante was was on 

973
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,160
the hook to direct an American 
made sequel. 

974
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,560
And I mean, of course it fell 
apart because I think the idea, 

975
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,680
I'm assuming, I haven't read 
this anywhere, but it's what 

976
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,120
makes sense is they put so much 
money and effort into the 

977
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,960
American push because they 
wanted to take advantage of the 

978
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,200
energy in the West and be like, 
OK, here's real Godzilla again. 

979
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,560
And it just didn't work because 
not that many people actually 

980
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,600
want to watch Japanese movies in
the US or at the time. 

981
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,240
Again, this hits real different 
with -1 having blown up in the 

982
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:26,040
US, but I also say blown up by 
like, excuse me, American 

983
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:31,360
standards for Japanese, like for
foreign released films. 

984
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,400
So yeah, that gets scrapped. 
And in fact, while there is 

985
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,680
another movie almost immediately
put on the books, it is not a 

986
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,800
sequel to Godzilla 2000. 
It will be yet another direct 

987
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,680
follow up to the original 
Godzilla, setting the tone for a

988
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:58,080
very confusing run of movies. 
So there is no real consistent 

989
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,600
timeline or series from this 
point forward. 

990
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,000
There are, there is one movie 
that gets one direct sequel. 

991
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,480
We got a Final Fantasy 10 two, 
you know what I mean? 

992
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,120
And of course we will eventually
get the legendary series of 

993
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,400
movies which pull together a 
continuity. 

994
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,480
But as far as Japan goes, 
basically every movie from here 

995
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,320
out is its own thing, which is 
going to be a weird thing to get

996
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,240
used to, I think. 
But we'll probably be easier on 

997
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,160
a lot of our guests. 
So we were struggling under the 

998
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,080
weight of accumulated lore by 
the end of the hey say era. 

999
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,840
Poor Ryan. 
I have one great title for you, 

1000
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,480
one truly good title for this 
movie. 

1001
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,680
And it's not as good as some of 
the insane ones we've had in the

1002
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,880
past, but it I love it. 
In Latin America, this movie was

1003
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,080
known as Godzilla 2000 versus 
the extraterrestrial squid, 

1004
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,320
which is I. 
Mean not incorrect. 

1005
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,000
Oh God, I love it. 
So let's talk the lasting impact

1006
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,120
of this movie, right? 
Like I mentioned, did this movie

1007
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,040
struggled on its own, right? 
It did. 

1008
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,720
It did OK financially in the 
grand scheme of things, but it 

1009
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,280
wasn't, it didn't blow anything 
up. 

1010
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,760
What it did do successfully is 
damage control, right? 

1011
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,080
It said, no, no, no, Godzilla's 
not dead. 

1012
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,640
We're going to keep this thing 
going. 

1013
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,360
And it gave them the wiggle room
to keep trying. 

1014
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,880
And you know, the Millennium era
is going to be kind of an 

1015
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,200
interesting experimental time as
a result of of what they were 

1016
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:45,440
kind of thrown into. 
The the biggest thing that 

1017
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,800
Godzilla 2000 does, if you ask 
me, is it finally gives us a 

1018
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,520
lasting answer to Godzilla's 
near invulnerability. 

1019
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,840
Because remember, Godzilla has 
only died twice through these 

1020
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,320
movies. 
There's the original one that 

1021
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,800
got completely atomized by the 
Oxygen Destroyer and then the 

1022
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,560
hey say Godzilla melted down, 
right? 

1023
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,040
Literally melted himself into 
oblivion from from, you know, 

1024
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,400
being like, well, from a nuclear
meltdown. 

1025
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,360
Other than that, we've 
consistently seen Godzilla 

1026
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,320
basically refuse to eat shit at 
any point, kind of no matter 

1027
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,200
what we throw at him. 
The show era Godzilla, basically

1028
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,040
no matter how many times you 
knocked him down he'd get back 

1029
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,320
up and keep coming at you. 
And the hey say era Godzilla 

1030
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,920
kind of started that way but by 
the end was just an invulnerable

1031
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,800
walking tank that that you could
do nothing to. 

1032
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,680
Right. 
And Godzilla 2000 says it's 

1033
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,000
regeneration. 
That's the thing that has been 

1034
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Godzilla's true superpower all 
along, is that no, any damage 

1035
01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:00,400
you do to him is recovering more
rapidly than he's Wolverine. 

1036
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,680
You know what I mean, right? 
Or the Hulk. 

1037
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,240
I mean either way to put it in 
comic book. 

1038
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,800
Terms I. 
Mean to the point that that that

1039
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,360
chunk of scale that they pick up
off of him is regenerating 

1040
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,440
itself even with no Godzilla 
attached to it anymore, right? 

1041
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:25,800
And that is something that from 
this point on, will be much more

1042
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,480
obviously core to the character.
We're going to see Godzilla 

1043
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,600
regenerate from much more, much 
more serious damage in future 

1044
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,160
movies and take some much 
crazier hits because now we've 

1045
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,120
kind of gone well, yeah, you can
blow a hole in him or you can, 

1046
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,560
you know, sever a limb, but you 
might be able to regrow it. 

1047
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,800
You can blow part of his head 
off, and he'll regrow it right 

1048
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,960
in some of these movies. 
So it's interesting to me and 

1049
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120
it's the thing I was waiting for
'cause I remember there's a big 

1050
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,080
plot element in Godzilla 2000. 
But through all of these movies 

1051
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,960
we've been watching, I've been 
like, when are we going to get 

1052
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,520
to the regeneration shit? 
When are when are we going to 

1053
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,000
finally talk about that 'cause 
it's so important moving 

1054
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,120
forward. 
It's so obvious a part of the 

1055
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,720
character and it's wild to think
that that didn't happen until 

1056
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,080
the year 2000. 
Well, 99, whatever. 

1057
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,200
So. 
Yeah, 'cause this whole time I 

1058
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,760
just kind of like knew that that
was the. 

1059
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,520
Power. 
Well, you've seen a couple 

1060
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,000
things and we've talked about 
and like, you know, you saw -1 

1061
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,160
in theaters, right? 
And that's a huge plot element 

1062
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:38,400
in -1 So yeah, I think like, 
God, you know, the Godzilla 2000

1063
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,320
design is beloved by fans. 
Orga is one of those villains 

1064
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,240
that's very memorable for his 
fight, even if the designs kind 

1065
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,120
of weird and not super memorable
on its own. 

1066
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,560
The fight sure is. 
But like, yeah, this is the 

1067
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,840
movie that gave us Godzilla's 
regeneration and kicked off a 

1068
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,120
very experimental era of the of 
the 2000s. 

1069
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:06,160
So I have a question for you 
because you are usually so much 

1070
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,640
better at this, even on the more
obscure movies. 

1071
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,920
Did this movie have any 
interesting thematic elements to

1072
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:20,840
it? 
So struggling. 

1073
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Well, it's not that I'm 
struggling. 

1074
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,120
I know what it wanted to say. 
I just don't think it said it 

1075
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,720
very well. 
So that the entire theme of the 

1076
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,560
movie, and I mean the outright 
say it, it's just the the 

1077
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,960
uncontrolled nature of 
scientific progress. 

1078
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,840
I think that if they had 
actually added some of the stuff

1079
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,720
with the the UFO, you know, and 
if they were like, oh, they were

1080
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,480
fleeing from their own planet 
because they developed too far 

1081
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,160
and they went, they, they had a 
war and, you know, whatever, 

1082
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,880
right? 
I think they really could have 

1083
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,040
driven this home. 
But like, there's this whole 

1084
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,200
side plot about Shinoda and he's
working with one of the other 

1085
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,520
CCI scientists and he's like, 
why did you leave? 

1086
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,800
He's like, there were bad people
that wanted to do bad science. 

1087
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,080
Basically. 
I just couldn't deal with it 

1088
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,520
anymore. 
And so while the movie does not 

1089
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,360
expressly tell you what it 
thinks the direction science 

1090
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:19,680
should go in it, it thinks that 
science has gone in a bad 

1091
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:25,120
direction thus far. 
I, I think that the implication,

1092
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,640
especially with category 
existing as he does and doing 

1093
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,080
what he does, is that we're, we 
shouldn't be using science to, 

1094
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,279
to do things like war. 
Because I mean, if it, if it's 

1095
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:36,640
trying to piggyback off of the 
original Godzilla movie, then, 

1096
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,279
you know, it's like, well, the 
the nuke did this, you know, 

1097
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,520
that's what it wants to say is 
that we should be careful with 

1098
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,240
how we approach science and 
technology and stuff like that. 

1099
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,120
And I think that another 
component of this has to do with

1100
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,240
the way that the UFO is using 
computers because like, 

1101
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,920
computers weren't a big plot 
point until this movie in any 

1102
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,000
movie. 
But at this point, it's 1999. 

1103
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,960
Everybody has a computer, most 
people having computer in their 

1104
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,080
home. 
That's not entirely true yet, 

1105
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:13,439
but like the, the Internet is a 
thing, you know, And it's, it's 

1106
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,120
when it flashed up all those 
images, it's a, it's showing 

1107
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,920
images of like us being on the 
moon and just all the stuff that

1108
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,920
humanity has done. 
And I think it's trying to 

1109
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,720
connect like technological 
growth with like this, this 

1110
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,680
malicious intent, you know? 
Yeah. 

1111
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,319
I don't think it did it very 
well, but I think that's what it

1112
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:43,080
was trying to do. 
Yeah, yeah, man, I, I, I, I 

1113
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:48,760
guess like, I don't want to be, 
but like, I, I, I see it. 

1114
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,080
But like, I think, yeah, like 
old. 

1115
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,680
I think we agree that the 
problem is it just doesn't work.

1116
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,720
Not enough went into it. 
It it clearly they. 

1117
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,400
Well, here's the thing. 
A lot of these Godzilla movies 

1118
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,040
have had a lot of time, right? 
Like these scripts are things 

1119
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,880
that half existed before they 
went into production and they 

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01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,120
took, you know, like as short as
the production times on these 

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,120
movies can be. 
The scripts are things that are 

1122
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,760
getting workshopped for years 
before they get adapted in. 

1123
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,760
And in this case, they had to 
jump the fuck in and get it 

1124
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:29,280
going in no time flat. 
And I think it shows. 

1125
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,840
But like, I still like what we 
got, you know? 

1126
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,480
Yeah. 
I mean, it's fun. 

1127
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,080
It's a fun movie, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, just. 

1128
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,120
And it's interesting because it 
gives me this weird energy of 

1129
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:54,480
like, I'm glad the Heisei era 
had as much to say as it did and

1130
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,320
was as well put together as it 
did. 

1131
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,480
Godzilla 2000 being our kickoff 
for the Millennium era makes me 

1132
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:04,520
feel like there's no way to know
what's coming next. 

1133
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,600
There's no way to expect 
standards are gone, consistency 

1134
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,920
is gone. 
We're just going to get what 

1135
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,520
comes to us. 
We are truly in the postmodern 

1136
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,600
era of Godzilla. 
So right. 

1137
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,200
But you know, I'm going to think
about Orga eating Godzilla and 

1138
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,240
then Godzilla's spines lighting 
up and Orga's eyes going like 

1139
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,680
bugging outgoing. 
Oh, oh, because that's very 

1140
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,160
funny. 
It is funny, yeah. 

1141
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:39,480
I I guess I wonder at what point
Godzilla will become the the 

1142
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:43,200
symbol of Godzilla rather than 
the creature Godzilla. 

1143
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,560
Yeah. 
Do you think we're there yet? 

1144
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,440
Do you think we're getting 
there? 

1145
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,840
Real, real close if we're not 
there already. 

1146
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,960
It's so difficult to tell, 
right? 

1147
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,360
But we're getting so fucking 
close if we're not there 

1148
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,360
already. 
Yeah, I think the movie relying 

1149
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,720
on presumed knowledge is a is a 
step in. 

1150
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,160
The I think we were seeing a lot
in the later hey say era movies 

1151
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,720
too, you know, so. 
Yeah. 

1152
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:16,040
Yeah, but man, I'm still having 
basically a great time with it. 

1153
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,480
I just also had like, I'm 
accepting that it's not going to

1154
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,200
be the thing I I really want it 
to be. 

1155
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,760
Maybe, maybe we'll see. 
We'll see. 

1156
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,480
We'll see. 
All right, folks, I think that's

1157
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,320
a wrap on this episode. 
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1158
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,320
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1159
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,680
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1160
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,600
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1161
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1163
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1165
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,520
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1166
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,320
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1170
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,560
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1171
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,520
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1172
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,360
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1173
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,040
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1174
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:34,360
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1175
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