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Some dude, basically dressed, 
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all. 
We have, we have the entire 

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like, Japanese planting getting 
getting taken care of, by like 

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three or four, American special 
ops guys but three or four, 

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American special ops guys have 
no fucking chance against this 

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video game protagonist, right? 
Hello everyone and welcome to 

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Castle Bravo. 
A Godzilla versus retrospective.

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I'm Derek and I'm Charlotte, and
we're two siblings here to 

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examine the history of the 
Godzilla, franchise one movie at

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a time. 
We're joined today by writer and

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geneticist, dr. 
M. 

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Jai Kali MJ. 
How's it going? 

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Bud? 
Great. 

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Thank you so much for having me.
This is really exciting for me 

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as a huge fan of the Pod and of 
Godzilla. 

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So I was really just appreciate 
being here and When you reached 

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out, you know, asking for people
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I immediately saw Biollante was 
on the list and I had to jump on

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it. 
So yeah, you were chomping at 

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the bit for this one. 
And good thing you got in early 

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because a lot of people have 
asked for this one. 

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This is a very popular movie. 
Oh, well, apologies to all those

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people. 
I'm glad we had you on. 

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Why don't you introduce yourself
a little bit to the audience and

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who you are and what you're 
about? 

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Sure. 
Yeah. 

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So I am a PhD geneticist so I'm 
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but, but most of my day to day 
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genomes and then also a 
freelance writer sort of by 

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night. 
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one of my biggest Hobbies is 
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being a huge nerd. 
So I kind of have tried to write

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about sort of way. 
How science and genetic science,

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especially is represented in 
games, and, and film and so 

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forth. 
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on this one so quickly because 
that's such a key part of this 

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one. 
And we'll talk about that. 

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I'm sure. 
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I got to meet you and got to 
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you know, games writing. 
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like, Oh no, you're an actual 
geneticist that isn't like a 

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bit, you know, that's Just a bit
for the birds site that was 

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real. 
So, Perfect, movie choice, not 

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like those other fake doctor's 
on Twitter, which there are 

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many. 
There's a good number of fake 

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doctor's on Twitter. 
That's for sure. 

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Charlotte, what's up, how you 
doing today? 

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Better than I have been? 
Yeah, it's, it's been a rough. 

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It's been a rough bit for you 
and I'm so sorry. 

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Okay, I got piercings and they 
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surgery. 
Grade titanium. 

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Turns out, I'm allergic to 
surgery grade titanium, which is

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what they use for a lot of 
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So, I hope I never need one of 
those things. 

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Yeah, it's been a nightmare 
because we've been trying to 

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figure out how to even get you 
connected for audio to do this. 

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I was, I was up until yesterday 
really worried we were going to 

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have to bump this episode and 
you started doing a lot better. 

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And then today, it's been a 
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We're so funny how that goes, 
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Today is a good one. 
Let's let's set the stage a 

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little bit. 
So last episode, we talked a 

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little bit about Godzilla going 
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Terror of Mechagodzilla as much 
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Did not do very well in the box 
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decade-long scramble to figure 
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How the hell Touhou was going to
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bring back the interest that had
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franchise through the 70s. 
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seems like I think me and 
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really tried hard to get Honda 
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And in fact, got a script 
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targeted towards Honda, but he 
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Kurosawa, he did not want to 
return, you know, we think there

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were probably some sad Our 
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franchise and him, not feeling 
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past the death of eiji 
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So Honda did not return. 
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Return of Godzilla, which a lot 
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Godzilla, 1985 was really good. 
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it really, really immediately 
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Hit my top five knocking Shin 
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So, Return of Godzilla does 
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It's a new Godzilla to, it's a 
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They're going to something a 
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Heavier closer to the tone of 
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maybe the first couple rather 
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we needed another one. 
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hit, we got to get that money 
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process. 
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kiyomori amore. 
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involved with Godzilla before 
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established director, he had 
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directing under his belt before 
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So this is, this is somebody 
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This is not them running to the 
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three movies ago because they 
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product out quick. 
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his time, now there are some 
disagreements between this 

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director Mori and the long time.
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Tanaka, the decision was made to
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Hey, submit your scripts, you 
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into a Godzilla movie. 
This is very famously, a dentist

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wrote in the winning script 
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Zilla versus Biollante. 
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too much in common. 
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Jaguar situation where the 
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name only. 
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that have a contest because we 
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Yeah, I know. 
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a get a, a talented longtime 
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Give him money. 
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But drum up interest by like, 
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As script Amore. 
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was quietly, not very happy 
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took like three years to rework 
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become Godzilla vs. 
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So obviously, you know, cute 
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wrote the script aside and a lot
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famously having a very 
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Yeah teeth everywhere. 
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This is one of those ones that 
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famous script rewrites. 
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weird fish rap monster that was 
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That was like a sub monster that
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through the movie. 
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Like the host. 
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But You know, I try not to spend
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these movies that could have 
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point where almost all of these 
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really heavy reworks. 
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reworked. 
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Godzilla versus Biollante. 
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Return of Godzilla was 1984. 
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taking their time. 
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handed over to koishikawa. 
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Who was a the sfx, like, 
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Ooki na Kono, Naka. 
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Having been the sfx ad basically
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away. 
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continuity here. 
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working under the previous 
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with the sfx on this series in 
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Colicky, it is really famous for
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a famous, like, cult sci-fi 
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that year or the year before, it
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but it's very popular among like
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interesting lie for music 
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Oh yeah, ahead. 
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back to godhead is that a Mecca 
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The, the Maze and special 
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MechWarrior style Mecca thing. 
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I've movies funny because the 
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whatever is clear Tex-Mex IAM 
it's called what Tex-Mex IAM. 

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Oh man, I don't want to make 
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Be sure that's not what they use
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other day. 
It was spicy. 

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Oh god. 
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interesting is they sprung, the 
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composed by koichi sugiyama, who
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Dragon Quest Series. 
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Dragon Quest 3. 
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popularity sugiyama also famous 
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denier anti-lgbt. 
He just like huge piece of shit.

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Really shitty sucky, businessman
and boss rest is as watch it for

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real 100%. 
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just we were all cheering. 
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Minecraft. 
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And but no seriously, I have 
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I took some notes while I was 
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people times where I just wrote 
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this scene. 
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really interested in Nagoya, 
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Quest, ask music, I so here's 
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this a little bit ahead of the 
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interestingly sugiyama composes.
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tracks and such music funny is 
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or four tracks? 
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that they just had on stock and 
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scene to scene and it's very 
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multiple of those songs in 
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Literally. 
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lacking in creativity that he 
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three songs in his entire life 
and just use those for 

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everything or something. 
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track that I think had any 
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Very is very famous one. 
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Wars. 
It's that like very upbeat, like

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he did was do a, an upbeat Rock 
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track. 
I can't even give them full care

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and they use it like five times 
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So you know I can't give you too
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Sugiyama turned in his homework 
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So And then, as noted before 
Kenpachi, Rosado touma, who was 

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picked for Godzilla at the last 
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back as Godzilla. 
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Godzilla all through this heisei
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So this is, this is our guy he's
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I'm probably going to stop 
bringing him up unless something

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interesting happens, but I think
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He's going to go through the 
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That I said his name enough 
times in season one, because the

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man kept getting just horrible 
Nakajima. 

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That's what it was. 
The man got dropped out of 

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cranes and had shit dropped on 
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Yeah, you got set on fire. 
I mean, man, you gotta like 

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electrocuted one time and I just
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happen to sot Sam. 
I think, I think the late 80s 

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through the 90s. 
We have workplace safety a 

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little bit more nailed down. 
Aunty he doesn't have AG 

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tsuburaya around a threatened, 
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But yeah. 
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Charlotte yeah. 
Why don't you tell us what 

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happens in Godzilla vs. 
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All right? 
So as always if I gloss over 

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anything especially towards the 
end, please cut in because the 

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way that's week has been, I feel
like my notes at the end or a 

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little Truncated. 
But will the end is all fighting

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so it is. 
So that's also a reason but the 

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battle rages right. 
So this movie opens and they're 

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like describing all the defense 
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systems and like stages of like 
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Godzilla is moving but still 
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Shin Godzilla. 
This is how that would start. 

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It's that very, you know. 
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Dry. 
Look at the plans that I thought

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was kind of interesting. 
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If I'm so 80s to me. 
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You know like it's just classic 
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Tracking the enemy type of 
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effects. 
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Incredibly sick and I mean in 
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apparent this is a sequel to the
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same continuity and so in 
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explaining like how Godzilla 
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they're recovering the Super X. 
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Insert old your show last time. 

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Yeah, some soldiers show up who 
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found by the Japanese military 
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Godzilla theme is used. 
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sequence though, of like it is 
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like escaping and and you know 
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and shooting at each. 
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of like close up shots and like 
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escaping this changing gunfire. 
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the planners who pop up but like
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Now, you know, nobody's English 
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I mean, if you like, there's no 
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Americans, the moment they start
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It's like they're like blond 
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mowing down tons the people and 
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It's just like, wow, cool. 

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That's yep. 
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Americans, but they're played by
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and like a guy from Morocco and 
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Phonetically say their lines. 
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people from other countries 
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because there's no, like, oh, 
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international directive to help 
each other. 

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competing. 
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going to come kill. 
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you've got obviously America's 
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fictional like Middle Eastern 
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That gets involved as well. 
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I and v v hand wave is like, 
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behalf of corporate interests. 
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their governments, right? 
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same as for example in Mothra 
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villain who like very 
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representative of their country.
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corporate interests are 
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interests and it's kind of all 
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So it's definitely a Messier 
area with that than we're used 

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to seeing right? 
Yeah. 

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really had forgotten about that 

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because I probably been Years 
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there's just, it's really like, 
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These are from a American 
biotech company, but it's really

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implied like and they're backed 
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Like yeah, nobody in the United 
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people for doing this. 
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definitely backs this and so 
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back, what they're doing? 
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You get the scene of like the 
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Representative in the room with 
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like laughing and chomping on a 
cigar about, you know, how, you 

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know, we will, you know, turn 
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very, it's interesting and not 
in a good way, but not like, I 

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don't know that we've gone from 
Return of Godzilla being so 

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specifically about like 
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Honda and going even through all
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are basically made up of people 
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understand each other and work 
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This doesn't read as like 
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cynical, which is maybe not a 
bad read. 

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For the time that this is 
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know, so some dude basically 
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He has them all. 
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like, Japanese platoon getting 
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three or four, American special 
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American special ops guys have 
no fucking chance against this 

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video game protagonist, right? 
He shows up he like, mow them 

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down, takes the case. 
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Shiragami who's getting ready to
head to the lab and his daughter

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Erica. 
And drive him there and he said 

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into the lab because some 
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Frozen and he's in this lab and 
Sarabia and they're basically 

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discussing how they're going to 
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to create like super wheat and 
they're like, oh well America's 

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position as the greatest serial 
exporter in the world will be 

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shaken. 
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That in the end, I love this 
technology is not. 

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Its this is not a weapon. 
Opens like an arms race. 

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This is about agriculture, 
right? 

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You know, so you know, I was so 
impressed by this exact thing 

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that I did a little research. 
I was like, why would this be 

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what they're concerned about and
maybe we can talk about a little

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bit more later, but there was 
this serious competition for 

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agriculture in the 80s, 
especially caused by the United 

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States because the United States
It's felt like it was sort of 

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falling behind technologically 
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And so they were trying to 
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to increase America's dominance 
in agriculture. 

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And this is something that I had
very little context for because 

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I was a child at the time. 
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But I was like, oh, this film is
literally touching on that exact

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thing. 
And it's super interesting 

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because also from like current 
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what a year and some change into
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And I remember when you know 
Russia first invaded Ukraine you

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know there were news articles 
but like hey you probably do not

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realize this but Ukraine is one 
of the primary sources for like 

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wheat, you know and Grain in In 
that entire region of the world,

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you know. 
So it's kind of funny to think 

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about like you know for decades 
and decades like individual 

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countries can stake out their 
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specific like corner of 
Agriculture. 

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You know? 
Is that why in like the mid to 

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late 90s? 
There was a lot of backlash 

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against like genetically, 
modified food, that come from 

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the 80s where they were trying 
to Use. 

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That is absolutely. 
I was going to say, U MJ. 

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You can certainly speak to that 
more. 

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My understanding was that there 
was its a mix of like the 

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general fear of science involved
in our everyday lives. 

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Look at the fear of like nuclear
energy still right? 

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Despite that being probably one 
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fossil fuels but also the kind 
of dangers of like corporate 

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powers from the things we're 
seeing now with genetically 

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modified foods where You know, a
lot of these giant corporations 

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owned and patent their seeds 
that, you know, will not 

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reproduce. 
They cannot be replanted. 

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You just have to keep buying 
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Kind of a level of power, you 
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agriculture. 
That was clearly never intended,

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right? 
I don't know how much of that we

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were talking about in the 90s, 
though. 

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Well, I mean it's a lot 
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So in the 70s the bioengineering
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70s and you know this kind of 
this not to invoke another movie

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but there's this famous line 
from Jurassic Park where Ian 

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Malcolm says your scientists 
were so preoccupied with her. 

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Not they could they never stop 
to think if they should write. 

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This is extremely famous line, 
one of Cinema's, last lines, 

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period it for sure. 
And you know that anyway, not a 

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Jurassic Park podcast, but if 
you ever make one We know, yeah,

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but but the reason I bring that 
up is because actually they did.

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So the scientist actually did 
consider it in the 70s and they,

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they had a meeting to talk about
the ethics and they recommended 

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regulation and so forth. 
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United States. 
At least took that seriously and

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did start regulating 
bioengineered products, but in 

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the 80s, those products started 
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Things like insulin that had 
been Engineered and plants that 

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had been bioengineered to resist
pasts and people were afraid. 

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What is this going to do to the 
natural environment of the 

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planet? 
And so throughout the 80s, their

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kind of became this counter 
counter feeling against 

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bioengineering even though it's 
ostensibly, the bioengineering 

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was meant to help Humanity, 
people were afraid that it was 

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going to be mishandled or that. 
But fumble our way into some 

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kind of disaster and in the 90s,
it started ramping up, you know,

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more heavily towards I would 
say, violence, burning fields 

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that kind of thing, and it 
happened throughout the 90s. 

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And actually, I mean, I think it
follows through even through 

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today. 
I mean, we have, there's been 

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anti-gmo legislation in the EU 
and in other places, I think 

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even one state has anti-gmo 
legislation on the books and And

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I think one of the things is 
some of those fears did come 

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true with these Mega 
corporations, releasing plants 

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that you know, are resistant to 
their their herbicide, for 

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example. 
So anyway, I guess the point 

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being that there were serious 
fears and it was apparently a 

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very like big topic of 
conversation and so that's why 

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we end up with Godzilla versus 
Biollante tapping into that I 

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think. 
Yeah, it's any manically and a 

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lot of other current for Time. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah. 
Well then there's an explosion 

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at the lab and Erica. 
You know. 

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The doctor's daughter gets 
caught in a blast of the lab and

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she dies like surrounded by 
these roses and then there's a 

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five-year time skip that was 
just that was just our origin 

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story. 
We cut to Miki who's a psychic 

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who can communicate with blank 
and Miki seguso get familiar 

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with this big-eared lady because
she's gonna be around for a 

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bunch of good, describer. 
I look, here's the thing. 

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It's noticeable, Miki, 
significant qasim, some Ashley 

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Graham ears. 
You know what I mean? 

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But like, I she doesn't have a 
lot to do in this movie, but 

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you're going to grow very 
attached to her because she's in

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several, she is like the one 
super recurring character in the

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entire Godzilla. 
Franchise, is this girl that 

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keeps popping up for like 
assisting rolls in the hay? 

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They are iMovies look like 
powerful psychic. 

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Girls were all the rage in the 
late 80s. 

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Yeah. 
They're all the rage. 

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Now with certain lesbians that 
might or might not do Godzilla 

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podcasts and it's very true. 
Not to call you out. 

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It's the ears. 
Yeah. 

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So the doctor doctor shiragami. 
He's been in, he's been living 

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in solitude for five years 
because he feels really bad 

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about everything that's 
happened. 

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And then they talked about how 
they've been freezing Nobel 

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Prize winner, sperm to create 
this. 

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Yes, or no, oh no, we're too 
real. 

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We're doing a yeah, yeah, 
they're just straight up 

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embracing Eugenics and he's 
like, I don't know if my science

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is going to be accepted or no. 
Sorry my A father science is not

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accepted in the community. 
It's like, yeah, that's because 

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that's straight-up Eugenics. 
Okay, that's why it's not 

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accepted, right? 
See we say this and yet, like, I

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hate to break this to y'all if 
you don't know this but 

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uncritically that is still like 
completely believed at the 

452
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,400
highest levels of our society 
like the richest like 

453
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,500
capitalists in in our country's 
fully believe. 

454
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Eve, in this weird, like, 
genetic superiority bullshit. 

455
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,300
Please take some time to read 
into, like, Elon Musk. 

456
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,300
And his father, for example, 
churning out kids, because they 

457
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:19,000
believe they have the super 
sperm and the super genes that 

458
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,900
will create the, the nietzschean
Ubermensch of the future. 

459
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,700
That's not uncomfortable at all.
You are very rich. 

460
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,700
It means you're a very good at 
exploiting people. 

461
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:31,100
Does that mean that you are 
smarter? 

462
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,700
It actually mostly means you're 
a sociopath. 

463
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:40,600
Yeah, I would I would argue. 
Yeah, I would say look when I 

464
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000
was learning how to be a human 
geneticist. 

465
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:47,100
I literally had a class all 
about how Eugenics is bad. 

466
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,900
So we're not taught that this is
like something to Aspire to they

467
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,200
should have had those classes 
back in the 80s for this guy 

468
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,400
because it's it's never it's 
never actual scientists who 

469
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,100
believe in Eugenics, shit. 
It's always weird weird cycle 

470
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:04,900
routes. 
Exactly sure. 

471
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,300
Yeah, so Mickey hasn't been able
to get like what they want out 

472
00:29:10,308 --> 00:29:12,900
of these plants because she's 
trying to communicate with them 

473
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,000
and it turns out IV does not 
have a lot of interesting things

474
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,700
to say. 
It's true. 

475
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,600
She's just kind of staring at 
the plants and like, trying to 

476
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,600
talk to them mentally. 
It was great. 

477
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,300
Yeah, they have feelings. 
What are they feeling? 

478
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,900
Not much. 
They were interesting ones. 

479
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,700
Well, and there's Pull in a 
truck nearby like watching them 

480
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:39,900
from afar. 
I like one of these dudes needs 

481
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:44,500
to calm down about, oh my God. 
Yeah, you guys Christ. 

482
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,900
So at this I just want to 
comment on how the American 

483
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,700
agents and this film are just 
like the biggest bumbling idiot.

484
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,400
I constantly and they're just 
like so realistic actually. 

485
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,300
Yeah. 
And it's like, and these are the

486
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,800
agents. 
They sent to like capture this 

487
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,800
very important asset and they're
just Just there like basically 

488
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400
doing the wolf call on poor 
Mickey, who's done, he's done 

489
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,200
nothing to deserve this. 
Also want to point out, she's 

490
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,800
only well the actress anyway is 
only seventeen in this film. 

491
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,600
So like she's a great character 
not to. 

492
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,400
I mostly remember her from like 
late in the series obviously 

493
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,200
where she's a decent bit older. 
But yeah, like she's noticeably 

494
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,500
young. 
This is creepy from these dudes.

495
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,300
It would be creepy even if she 
wasn't it's creepier, right? 

496
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,300
It was, yes, it was. 
Creepy and they're just such 

497
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,900
idiots. 
And why would you send these two

498
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:44,300
to do this? 
I it was great and yeah, they'll

499
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,300
get there. 
So yeah, well, the Watchers are 

500
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:51,300
being watched by the sorority 
and agent, the Neo guy from 

501
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:55,400
earlier this dude, whose name is
just like a serial number. 

502
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,600
Yeah, I don't know, I didn't 
actually write his name down. 

503
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,300
Oh, hang on always there because
he does have an official name. 

504
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:07,900
But it's it's it's literally 
just Say hang on I mean again 

505
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:13,200
it's like it's like his dad was 
Elon Musk it's it's SSS 9. 

506
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,200
Wow. 
Okay cool. 

507
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:26,100
Big fan of near huh. 
So me he thinks that she liked 

508
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,500
psychically hear someone call 
out Oscar's name who's like the 

509
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:36,100
current the doctors like her an 
assistant and then we To Oscar 

510
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:44,500
and her date who I have referred
to in this entire writing as 

511
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,700
Oscars boyfriend. 
He has a name but that's just 

512
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:52,500
ask his boyfriend and they're 
basically discussing chimeras 

513
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,900
like the concept of fusing 
creatures together. 

514
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,400
And he's like, I think if we 
keep doing this, we could just 

515
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,700
make something worse than 
Godzilla. 

516
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,600
We should stop doing this. 
I love this part chimeras. 

517
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,600
He just, you know, he describes 
the legendary Chimera, right? 

518
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Like the, you know, the 
goat-headed, what is it? 

519
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Goat-headed, lion head and ahead
and go with a snake tail? 

520
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,700
Is that what it is? 
Yeah. 

521
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:23,700
Snake and and but meanwhile 
chimeras in science were a real 

522
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,200
thing at that time and they 
still are and like, like they 

523
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
exist there. 
It's not like something new at 

524
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,900
that time. 
So I thought, I thought it was 

525
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,100
kind of funny how much chimeras 
play into this whole film. 

526
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,000
When they've been chimeras 
existed since the 60s, yeah, 

527
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,800
like they're using it in the 
mythological sense, but like 

528
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Chimera had taken on scientific 
term for stuff that was actually

529
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
being done. 
So right, right. 

530
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,200
So thanks for the mythological 
Chimera is coming from the sea 

531
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,500
and I don't recall, that being 
the case at all that, right. 

532
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,500
I think they changed that to 
make it map closer to Godzilla 

533
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,800
coming out of the sea and 
breathing, fire and destroying 

534
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,000
cities and shit like that, 
right? 

535
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:06,600
Foreshadowing. 
Yeah. 

536
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Well, he wants to go to 
Massachusetts to study and he 

537
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,100
wants her to go with him. 
I think that's MIT, is he 

538
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:17,400
specifically referring to MIT. 
I think there, when he says 

539
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:24,100
bobbleheads So Oscar Miki go and
they check out what's going on 

540
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,900
with her their psychic children 
that their training. 

541
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
I don't feel like this really 
came up again but um they all 

542
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,700
had dreams of Godzilla. 
Like they were all drawing 

543
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,200
Godzilla which made them think, 
you know, maybe Godzilla's 

544
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,700
waking up and so they had to 
mount mihara and use their 

545
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,500
psychic powers. 
To determine that Godzilla is 

546
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,400
awake. 
And they and they let people 

547
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,300
know that and the into guys, 
that means our show and Goro 

548
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,900
their part of the, the 
basically, the anti Godzilla 

549
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,000
unit. 
They start getting ready for its

550
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400
arrival because they've 
confirmed that Godzilla's wake 

551
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400
and they talked about the fact 
that they designed the bacteria 

552
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,900
that eats nuclear radiation and 
they're hoping to use that 

553
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:11,900
against Godzilla actually love 
this conversation. 

554
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,300
This is so interesting to me and
it's the kind of sci-fi I love 

555
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:19,900
because they took and they even 
talked about like, oh yeah. 

556
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,699
America's developed a bacteria 
that eat soil. 

557
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:24,600
So you can clean up oil spills. 
Yeah. 

558
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:31,000
And like, that is the thing that
I think was being like theorized

559
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,199
and like worked on, you know, in
the 80s and obviously, like 

560
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,199
nothing great came of it. 
Otherwise we would have magic 

561
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,300
bacteria that eat oil spills, 
you know? 

562
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000
But like they took took that 
they Advanced it for the purpose

563
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,800
of this movie of just being a 
thing. 

564
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,300
That's casually. 
There we are in a post oil spill

565
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:56,100
world because of this magic 
technology. 

566
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,900
But also, if America's biggest 
natural disasters, have been 

567
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:05,200
oil, spills Japan's, biggest 
natural disaster is the atomic 

568
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,000
bomb, you know? 
So, of course, they're 

569
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,800
equivalent of that is like, we 
would want a similar technology 

570
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,400
that could. 
You know, clean up the effects 

571
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,500
of background radiation from 
Atomic Testing. 

572
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:23,500
So I just really good scene, 
really good short conversation 

573
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:27,800
that I think layers a lot into 
the world and and really draws 

574
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,000
from some of the lingering 
trauma of what we did to them in

575
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,900
the 40s. 
Right. 

576
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,500
Yeah. 
And I think there maybe later in

577
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,900
the film or maybe it was in this
conversation when we talk about 

578
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:44,900
how a nuclear material eating 
bacteria, I could kind of change

579
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:50,000
the, the world order because it 
would just completely invalidate

580
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800
the threat of nuclear weapons. 
Yeah, it's a little bit later, 

581
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,800
but yeah, they talked about how 
if you had something like this, 

582
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,800
you could theoretically use it 
to disable nuclear weapons in 

583
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,400
Flight, you know, thus just 
eliminating any nuclear threat. 

584
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,500
And yeah, would completely 
reshuffle the world order, 

585
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,400
which, you know, is interesting.
It's true, it's interesting to 

586
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,500
think about And I when they 
offhand mention the oil eating 

587
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,800
bacteria, I got to thinking oh 
that would also be a really 

588
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,300
threatening weapon to any 
country whose entire existence 

589
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:28,600
relies on oil. 
And so I didn't think of it from

590
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,500
that perspective but you could 
easily have Unleashed that as a 

591
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,200
weapon against you know 
Venezuela or you know like Saudi

592
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,800
or sir Radia or so Radia, right?
Okay. 

593
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,500
Well then you get, you know like
it kind of puts this triangle of

594
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Petition in a new light. 
It does. 

595
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,700
I didn't the think of that 
angle. 

596
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,300
That's a good guy. 
She hot. 

597
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,600
So this this bacteria they want 
to make kind of a hair of the 

598
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,800
dog situation. 
Like it requires, Godzilla's 

599
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,800
cells to create, so they need to
find a way to make sure they can

600
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,100
procure Godzilla. 
Sell because, like, if Godzilla 

601
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,700
feeds on radiation, there has to
be something in his jeans that 

602
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,800
is able to break down like 
nuclear material as energy. 

603
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,900
So, if you can take that 
isolate, it create something 

604
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:16,100
else from it and make it work. 
Just like on overdrive, then 

605
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,000
Tada. 
It could eat Godzilla's radiate.

606
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:24,700
Radiation stores away, right? 
So Oscars, boyfriend and show 

607
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,000
try to go get dr. 
Shiragami to help them, but 

608
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,700
because of the stuff that's 
happened already, he's like, I 

609
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:32,600
do I'm never going to touch 
Godzilla cells again. 

610
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Actually, I'm not doing this. 
Yeah, the explosion in the lab 

611
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,700
earlier was from a force called 
the bio Major Force, which is 

612
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:46,600
obviously an American Force 
coming to still the cells. 

613
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:52,000
And this is when they talk about
right here that the cells are 

614
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,900
valuable for defensive purposes.
Yeah. 

615
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:59,800
Like destroying the usefulness 
of nuclear weapons and then 

616
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,300
mount mihara. 
A Rob's and seeing this and also

617
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,700
that his roses get hurt from the
Aftershock doctor shiragami's, 

618
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,300
like you know what never mind, 
I'll do it, but his condition to

619
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:15,300
help them is he gets to keep the
the Godzilla cells for a week. 

620
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,400
And then during that week he 
fuses Godzilla cells with cells 

621
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,500
from some of his roses. 
Yeah well and I don't this is 

622
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:28,600
not spoken out loud but the 
implication is that and he 

623
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,200
clearly believes that like some 
element of his daughters or 

624
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:36,100
daughter or granddaughter 
daughter daughters. 

625
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,400
Yeah. 
Soul like ended up in those 

626
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Roses that she died among so. 
He's been keeping those roses 

627
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,100
alive because That's in his mind
and heart. 

628
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,900
Like that's the last thing he 
has of his daughter. 

629
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:55,400
So, it's so messed up that. 
He's right though a little bit. 

630
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,700
It says, a lot about the concept
of, like human spirituality, 

631
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,900
that just like, oh yeah, her 
soul inhabited, those Roses. 

632
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, and I was kind of to two 

633
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,500
things in this part that I 
really loved. 

634
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,700
The first one is when they, when
they go and get the Godzilla 

635
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,500
cells, or they go look at them. 
They go down to this kind of 

636
00:39:15,508 --> 00:39:21,000
basement and there's a filing 
cabinet there and the sort of 

637
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,300
head honcho of, I forget the 
name of the corporation here, 

638
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:29,100
the Japanese group, but he opens
up one of the file cabinets and 

639
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,900
some liquid nitrogen starts 
flowing out and he pulls the 

640
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:35,300
cells out of the filing cabinet,
which is apparently a liquid, 

641
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,200
nitrogen storage unit, but it's 
really just a filing cabinet. 

642
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,600
And so, my partner and I were 
watching this movie were both 

643
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,500
scientists and we Each other 
says, that a filing cabinet that

644
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:52,200
they're storing this house it 
which is I guess most people 

645
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,400
probably wouldn't notice that 
but I was like, that's a great 

646
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
idea. 
I think the other part was when 

647
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,900
he's actually doing the fusing, 
it is a it is a, through a 

648
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:07,600
microscope, there's a big kind 
of black cell and there's a 

649
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
rose-colored. 
So let's smaller and he's 

650
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,200
physically pushing them together
until the the Godzilla. 

651
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,600
The cell which is the big black 
one kind of swallows up the the 

652
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,900
red one. 
First of all, that's not how 

653
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:25,500
that works but I thought I was 
like for a movie at this time. 

654
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,000
This is a great scene. 
Like this is a great thing to 

655
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,700
show how to represent, how 
you're going to splice. 

656
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,100
Yes, together. 
It's super realistic because, 

657
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,100
like, good luck pushing to 
individual cells around. 

658
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:41,600
It would never work. 
He is visually a great like, 

659
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,900
explainer for a casual audience 
and a Pretty sure representation

660
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:48,600
for sure. 
And I just wanted to point that 

661
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600
out because I thought that was 
really eloquent way of getting 

662
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,800
people to understand what the 
concept of splicing things. 

663
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Together is, especially in the 
80s when really nobody would 

664
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,700
have ever heard of this before, 
right? 

665
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:07,000
So, the peeling the like single 
like, oh yeah, extremely thin 

666
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,200
layer out of the pedal of the 
rows. 

667
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,500
And like, you know, having this 
thin little red layer that gets 

668
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,700
peeled off leaving the like in, 
You know inner like Venus you 

669
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:22,500
know elements of the pedal 
behind just a great bit it was 

670
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,200
great. 
Yeah great scene. 

671
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,500
Science shit, love it. 
So they have another 

672
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:32,000
conversation about how genetic 
experiments could just make 

673
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,200
Godzilla but worse and then we 
cut to the military talking 

674
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,800
about how the Super X 2, which 
is they recover the super Axe 

675
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,200
and made it better is. 
Right, is ready to face 

676
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,900
Godzilla. 
When Godzilla wakes up. 

677
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,100
The installed something called a
fire mirror, which is just to 

678
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:52,900
return, Godzilla's Atomic breath
back to it and dr. 

679
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,200
Shiragami does like the 
suspicious evil doctor thing 

680
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,900
when talking about cell division
where he just looks off into the

681
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:03,700
distant. 
Yeah, as I sorry I'm laughing. 

682
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:06,200
It was just I'm thinking back on
that scene and just he's just 

683
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:09,300
staring off in the distance. 
Like oh no your you went bad, 

684
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,300
you went bad. 
Yeah, hmm. 

685
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,500
So the American Bio major, Ants 
from the truck earlier sneak 

686
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,600
into shiragami's lab. 
But so does the sorority and 

687
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,400
agent from earlier ss9, I guess 
and while they're in their 

688
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,900
tentacles, like lash out from 
the ground and everyone and it 

689
00:42:28,908 --> 00:42:33,700
kills, one of them kills one of 
the the bio major agents and 

690
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:39,200
then shiragami reveals that he 
did create the creature and he's

691
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,500
like looking at a hole in the 
wall and he was like, you know, 

692
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:46,500
I think I made a mistake. 
Be perhaps this is science. 

693
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,300
I shouldn't have fucked around 
with. 

694
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:53,700
Yeah I darn of ss9 like getting 
caught and cutting himself free 

695
00:42:53,700 --> 00:43:00,000
and just the extremely neon 
green Li kicker that spreads all

696
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,700
over the place and gets all over
him as he's running away. 

697
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Yeah. 
The plant blood, the The Vines 

698
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,100
and the plant blood is it's a 
very good effect. 

699
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,800
Yeah, I'm going to also point 
out this is like a year after 

700
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,800
Little Shop of Horror came out, 
so there is not an extent. 

701
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,600
There is not a chance in hell 
that nobody working on this 

702
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,900
movie like saw that and took 
inspiration from it true. 

703
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,900
So this organization called 
alien which they're immediately 

704
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:37,300
like, it's the bio Major Force. 
Yeah they threatened to blow up 

705
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:38,900
Mount mihara to release 
Godzilla. 

706
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,200
If they're not given the the 
anti-nuclear bacteria. 

707
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,200
Dr. Shiragami doesn't really 
want to be involved in it at 

708
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,800
all. 
He doesn't really care. 

709
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,100
And then they go to this, huge 
Rose that's growing in the bay 

710
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,000
now and the doctors like that's 
Biollante. 

711
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:02,900
I made that I wouldn't take 
credit for the Towering Rose, 

712
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:08,600
monster in the bay but sure, 
funded, you know, doesn't the 

713
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,400
boyfriend get really mad at him 
at this point. 

714
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,500
Yeah. 
And he's like You call that? 

715
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,100
What do you call that? 
And then he's like, that's 

716
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,400
Biollante and I was thinking no 
that's called a patent right 

717
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,900
there. 
Yeah, it is a sick name to have 

718
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:26,400
come up with on the spot. 
This dude was this dude, had 

719
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,700
that name in the pocket? 
He was ready for this. 

720
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:29,800
Now he was thinking about it the
whole time. 

721
00:44:29,808 --> 00:44:30,800
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

722
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,500
He's got a notebook and it's 
just full of different names 

723
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:39,000
crossed out. 
So Goro from the from the 

724
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,100
Godzilla unit and Oscars 
boyfriend. 

725
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,500
Go to give the bio major troops 
the cells because they're like I

726
00:44:45,508 --> 00:44:48,600
don't we're not going to, we 
will negotiate with terrorists 

727
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,200
basically but this Rowdy and 
Agent shows up interrupts them 

728
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,900
but he interrupts them before 
they can actually deactivate the

729
00:44:55,900 --> 00:45:00,400
explosives. 
So the agent manages to make it 

730
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,000
up, make off with the case again
but the switches are broken so 

731
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,800
they can't turn the explosives 
off. 

732
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,800
So even though they went to give
up the cells, they lost the 

733
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600
cells and mount mejores going to
blow up so amount. 

734
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,000
Mihara blows up. 
Good job, dip shits. 

735
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Oops, in Godzilla emerges and 
everything kind of hits the fan,

736
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,600
like immediately, like, 
Godzilla's heading to Tokyo 

737
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,300
Biollante starts crying, the 
military launches a counter. 

738
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:32,600
It's of including the super x 2 
and the the Super X 2 goes to 

739
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,300
fight Godzilla. 
The military? 

740
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Can we talk about violent? 
The sound Biollante makes real 

741
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,100
quick. 
Yeah, I love that. 

742
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,200
Sounds like Echoes at the end 
and everything. 

743
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,300
Yeah. 
It's almost like a like a whale 

744
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,200
song. 
There's something like that. 

745
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,800
It's very well. 
Like, Yeah. 

746
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,600
And I don't know, I just was 
it's very haunting and, you 

747
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,500
know, there's this kind of 
conceit that had somehow drawing

748
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,100
Godzilla and And I was thinking,
man, it's got to be that whale 

749
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,500
song, you know. 
Yeah, but yeah, just what a 

750
00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:04,500
sound? 
Yeah, Biollante is. 

751
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,800
I mean, even before we hit like 
the end like change, right? 

752
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:15,000
Just this very like haunting, 
you know, it's in a lot of ways.

753
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,600
God damn it. 
I really hate to make the 

754
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,800
reference because this is not 
where this comes from, but it's 

755
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,500
a pop culture reference point 
that people are going to get. 

756
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,100
There's a very Evan gallion, 
kind of feel you two looking out

757
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:33,300
over the bay and seeing this, 
this giant thing, you know, 

758
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:39,500
Jutting out of the water in the 
Mist, you know towering over and

759
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:44,300
eternal Potential Threat that 
everyone knows is dangerous but 

760
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:48,100
nobody knows exactly how right 
solutely. 

761
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,400
I mean I would not be surprised 
if at least a couple of the 

762
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,900
angels and Evangelion word 
inspired by by latte. 

763
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,500
Yeah. 
But it's just a such a its 

764
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:00,400
haunting. 
It is terrifying. 

765
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,900
It is sympathetic in some way. 
It's obviously beautiful with 

766
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,100
the rose elements. 
It's just a very unique Godzilla

767
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,600
monster. 
Mmm. 

768
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,800
Yeah. 
So the x 2 goes in fights 

769
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,500
Godzilla. 
And the military says that 

770
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,200
they're just going to lie about 
everything. 

771
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,600
They're going to lie about where
Godzilla is they're good. 

772
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,800
They're not going to tell 
anybody what happened to the 

773
00:47:21,808 --> 00:47:26,100
cells because they their plan is
to retrieve the cells defeat 

774
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,900
Godzilla and in they get as many
cells as they want and they 

775
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:31,500
think they can just do this. 
Yeah, sure. 

776
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:37,100
It's just reveal. 
Going like this, they want to 

777
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:40,600
kill Godzilla so they can take 
his cells like they're not, they

778
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,500
don't even care that. 
He's destroying the city, that's

779
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,100
not their goal. 
Now it's, they want to have a 

780
00:47:45,107 --> 00:47:49,400
leg up on every other country in
the world by having sole 

781
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,300
ownership of Godzilla's cells, 
and it's just such a huge shift 

782
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:56,000
from the officials in the last 
movie. 

783
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,500
You know, there's nothing Noble 
about it at all. 

784
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,900
Really So, the Press shows up to
interview Dr. Shiragami about 

785
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:09,000
Biollante. 
And as they walk down the pier, 

786
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,100
like one of the one of its 
tentacles in this tentacles, 

787
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,100
like a mouth on and on the end, 
like destroys half the pier, and

788
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:19,100
In This Moment, Like Me, he's 
like, Erica Spirit has gone 

789
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:22,000
quiet in there. 
Like it's crying for Godzilla. 

790
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Like Eric has gone quiet. 
So meanwhile, the X2 is trying 

791
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,900
to prevent Godzilla. 
From moving towards Biollante, 

792
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,100
but the fire mirror is starting 
to fail. 

793
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,800
So Godzilla look, finishes it 
off, like does not mean they 

794
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,000
don't manage to stop them, so 
Godzilla makes it to Biollante 

795
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,400
and they fight. 
And during the fight, like, 

796
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,900
Godzilla's Atomic breath reacts 
like Biollante cells, react to 

797
00:48:51,908 --> 00:48:56,400
the atomic breath, and like 
there's a lot of combustion 

798
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,500
inside everything. 
And then like Biollante has like

799
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:04,400
this acid breath and there's a 
lot of rap attacks and other 

800
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,900
green by the end of this part. 
Oh yeah. 

801
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,100
By the end of it, Godzilla or 
Biollante. 

802
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,100
It's on fire. 
And there's like these glowing 

803
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:17,600
spores going up to the sky. 
Yeah, we're biological it. 

804
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,700
Does turn out that being a giant
plant maybe makes you weak to 

805
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:23,800
fire. 
I have played Pokémon before, 

806
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,600
right? 
Yeah, there's in this part, the 

807
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,000
they start talking about why 
Godzilla was drawn here. 

808
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:37,100
And the doctor says something, 
and it wasn't in, it wasn't 

809
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:41,900
translated in the subtitles. 
He said, in the subtitles, he 

810
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:47,000
says, they're the same creature.
That's why in the in the 

811
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,300
Japanese he says, he people do 
boots, HEPA, washoku boots. 

812
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,000
And that means he says they're 
the same creature. 

813
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,700
But But one is an animal and one
is a plant. 

814
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:03,300
And so I was I don't know why 
they didn't translate that, but 

815
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,700
I was kind of like oh they're 
kind of missing something in 

816
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:10,200
this translation that they are 
not the same creature. 

817
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Actually they are like it's like
Biollante is a plant version or 

818
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,700
maybe a perverted version of 
Godzilla and that's why he 

819
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:26,200
showed up here was because this 
is not this this This organism 

820
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,100
is not right and shouldn't 
exist, right? 

821
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,500
Right, that's why he shows up to
attack and I felt like maybe 

822
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:35,100
that was a little Lost in 
Translation at that point. 

823
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:38,100
Yeah, that's an interesting 
piece of context to be dropped 

824
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,300
out from the subs. 
Now, I didn't listen to the dub 

825
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,600
but I mean I have to assume that
the dub is not going to be 

826
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,800
better at restoring context than
subtitles will be. 

827
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,500
So not with the history of this 
franchise. 

828
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,500
Like I was talking to some 
oomph, he's while I was watching

829
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:01,300
this and there were a couple 
times I was like it's weird 

830
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:06,400
knowing as much a Panini's I do 
now but I don't know like enough

831
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,200
yet but I knew enough to be 
like. 

832
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,100
That was not what they said what
when the subtitles came up. 

833
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,300
But I know they have to make a 
lot of leopard, like take a lot 

834
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,000
of liberties with it to make it 
fit with whatever their writing.

835
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,100
Yeah. 
But there were a lot of little 

836
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:23,400
scenes just like lol things that
would have changed the context. 

837
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,000
I feel Like there is quite a 
lot, honestly. 

838
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,200
And I was I was I was trying to 
make note of a couple places 

839
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
where it happened, but I was a 
little surprised by the sort of 

840
00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:36,800
loss of context and it's 
unfortunate because some of 

841
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,600
those things did have sort of 
context like this that I think 

842
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
changed the meaning enough that 
it would have been good to 

843
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,300
translate that a little bit more
accurately to understand. 

844
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:52,600
Like there's a theme Here of 
this is an artificial creation. 

845
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:58,100
This is not a This is not worthy
of existence because it's fake 

846
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:59,800
Ryan. 
There's something like that, 

847
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:02,700
there's something to that. 
And I mean, I think the film is 

848
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,800
commenting on that, even through
the end where well, anyway, 

849
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,800
we'll get there but you see I 
think that was kind of Lost in 

850
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,900
Translation. 
Unfortunately, it's interesting 

851
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,400
because that's further 
Complicated by Godzilla 

852
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,000
arguably, not being something 
natural. 

853
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,200
Right? 
Right, right, right. 

854
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000
I mean, you know, regardless of 
your interpretation or, or In of

855
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,500
Godzilla, like that's a got up 
to this point. 

856
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:31,800
Godzilla has always been 
something that was you know owes

857
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
its origin to American nuclear 
testing. 

858
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:38,600
So you know and I guess maybe 
this is maybe this is a little 

859
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,800
too direct, but it's also kind 
of Representative of nuclear 

860
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,900
power versus genetic power, 
right? 

861
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:46,500
Yeah. 
They're literally fighting each 

862
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:51,600
other, right? 
So the military tries to fix the

863
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,600
X2 because I mean, it's all I've
got, right? 

864
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Now, frankly, um, and Godzilla 
has used a lot of power at this 

865
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,800
point, so they determined that 
Godzilla is heading towards a 

866
00:53:01,808 --> 00:53:06,200
PowerPoint to recharge. 
So the Defense Forces like set 

867
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,500
up all their defenses and 
everything but Godzilla just 

868
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:13,700
goes a completely different way 
than they expected heading 

869
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:16,300
towards like Osaka. 
Instead, I have a note. 

870
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:20,400
Oh, yes. 
More Dragon Quest ask music 

871
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,200
during yeah. 
Anyway, sorry to interrupt but 

872
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:31,000
now you're good. 
So Mickey shows up at the bay 

873
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,500
and like tries to use your 
psychic powers to hold Godzilla 

874
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,200
doesn't manage it for very long,
I assume Mickey's pretty strong.

875
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,000
So that tells me that Godzilla 
has like really strong psychic 

876
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,800
powers but she doesn't manage 
it. 

877
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,500
She has like a recover afterward
Godzilla resumes towards Osaka. 

878
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,600
And show and Oscar's boyfriend 
go and they steal the cells back

879
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,500
from Sarabia from that case, 
that that was taken. 

880
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:04,200
And the new plan, the new plan 
is to infect Godzilla with the 

881
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:10,300
with the anti-nuclear bacteria. 
Hopefully to slow it down enough

882
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,000
that they can either kill it, 
still the cells something. 

883
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,300
So the super x 2 is sent to 
distract Godzilla while they 

884
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:21,600
fire the missiles at it and they
do manage to To do that. 

885
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,000
After like a prolonged battle, 
they managed to fire. 

886
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,600
The missiles in the Godzilla's 
mouth. 

887
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Goro ends up dying in this scene
because godzilla-like destroys a

888
00:54:30,607 --> 00:54:35,000
building with him in it. 
Honestly, a lot of the 

889
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,900
conversation here during this 
part is when I especially 

890
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,400
noticed that like the soldiers 
are kind of sassy with each 

891
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,400
other in Japanese but the 
English translation does not 

892
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,400
pick that up. 
Yeah. 

893
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:47,400
Pressure. 
They were kind of cool in 

894
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,100
Japanese. 
Yeah, you know, I think if you 

895
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,300
kind of lost that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

896
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,100
So Meek, he's recovering from 
her psychic battle with Godzilla

897
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,700
and since they've managed to 
infect Godzilla, they're like, 

898
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,800
okay, well this should take 
effect in about 12 hours but 

899
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,500
also nothing is happening which 
it should be. 

900
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200
So they they decide well. 
Maybe Godzilla's body 

901
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,700
temperatures too low. 
So like the bacteria is not 

902
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,900
waking up moving around. 
So their plan is to basically 

903
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:24,000
microwave Godzilla. 
Hey I mean you know yeah I love 

904
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,100
it. 
Yeah they set everything up 

905
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,100
while they're doing that 
Mickey's like in I think it's PC

906
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,300
paint because I mean it's the 
late 80s and she's on the 

907
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:41,100
computer but she's drawing this 
Rose in space and so Godzilla. 

908
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,500
Heads through this like 
artificial rain storm, they've 

909
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,300
created because of all the Heat 
And stuff. 

910
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,100
And they have like these 
lightning machines. 

911
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,700
Like these big landmine looking 
things, have beam tanks and 

912
00:55:51,707 --> 00:55:57,200
they're just blasting Godzilla 
until its heat increases, and 

913
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,200
noticeably Godzilla starts to 
like, slow down a little bit but

914
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,400
like it's still fighting on it. 
So, fighting through all this 

915
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,000
and this seemed to me was like 
the scene where they're, like, 

916
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,900
check out our technological. 
Might like look what we can 

917
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,600
deploy here at a moment's 
notice. 

918
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:18,200
Us to fight this thing, all 
high-tech stuff. 

919
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,500
You know, if these beam cannon 
tanks and stuff which I think 

920
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:26,700
become a kind of a staple at 
some point just, you know, 

921
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:28,400
technology that definitely 
doesn't exist. 

922
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,600
But yeah, I kind of go back to 
that biological versus 

923
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,100
technological power idea and 
they're just able to deploy 

924
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,700
incredible technology at a 
moment's notice, right? 

925
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,600
So Mickey runs outside and 
Biollante spores start raining 

926
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,500
down from the sky and Biollante 
like burst out of the earth to 

927
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:57,200
fight Godzilla again. 
And like, probably one of the 

928
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,000
rawest, like death scenes. 
I think between monsters in this

929
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
franchise so far, like, Godzilla
as is like in Biollante as 

930
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
mouths, like Biollante bites 
down on Godzilla and just, like,

931
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,700
blast the inside of violante 
with a Atomic breath out through

932
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:17,000
her head right like clear. 
Clear through this is a really 

933
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,600
interesting fight scene because 
obviously we haven't had a fight

934
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,400
between Godzilla another monster
in a very long time not since 

935
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Terror of Mechagodzilla at this 
point 15 years earlier, right? 

936
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,200
And you know, my first time 
through watching this movie like

937
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:38,000
watching Godzilla fight, the 
rose form of Biollante, and the 

938
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,400
bay and a lot of the Damage Done
to Biollante was very Clear like

939
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,600
okay you can get away with a lot
of Gore because it's a plant you

940
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,100
know and because it's green like
liquor and not blood so they got

941
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:59,000
to do some really graphic stuff 
with you know Godzilla you know,

942
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,600
damaging Biollante. 
But this second fight it kind of

943
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,200
goes both ways, right? 
Godzilla bites down and tears 

944
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,000
through Vines Godzilla gets 
impaled through the hand, which 

945
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,000
is already got that part. 
Rough visual. 

946
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,900
Yeah, the the visual of like 
Biollante, you know kind of 

947
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:21,500
leaning into like a bite down 
and engulf Godzilla's head and 

948
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:25,800
upper body and it's gigantic 
crocodilian maw. 

949
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,900
Before Godzilla blows the hole 
in the back of it of her head. 

950
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,700
And then also the first use of 
the nuclear pulse, which is kind

951
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:38,800
of, very quiet and understated. 
But there's a bit where Godzilla

952
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,300
has wrapped up in in Vines and 
Being attacked and you see him 

953
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:45,900
begin to charge up and you see 
the fire come up through the 

954
00:58:45,908 --> 00:58:49,000
back of his mouth. 
But he likes stops it and he 

955
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,500
seems to swallow it. 
And instead, it just bursts out 

956
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:59,500
from his body and vaporizes, The
Vines like entangling him. 

957
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:08,600
And I felt like the some of the 
way this was filmed was very 

958
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,300
brutal, but also like scary like
bye. 

959
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:16,000
One day when, when it lifts all 
of the, its arms out of the 

960
00:59:16,008 --> 00:59:19,200
water and starts actually moving
towards Godzilla, oh my God, 

961
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,900
they can move that shot. 
I could stampeding like towards.

962
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:28,000
Yeah, camera is incredible and 
this entire battle. 

963
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,100
Look, here's the fucking thing. 
This battle being shot at night 

964
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:40,200
and yet everything is so clear. 
And so Vision like visible these

965
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,200
this shit is cracked. 
Act out like it's incredible. 

966
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,000
How? 
Well, they did this giant battle

967
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,500
at night while losing no 
visibility or detail. 

968
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:55,000
It is frustrating to watch any 
sequence in a dark room or at 

969
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,400
night in fucking anything filmed
nowadays. 

970
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:04,500
This is 1989 in a relatively 
lower budget, like Japanese 

971
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:09,200
studio and they are killing, you
know, selling a night shot with 

972
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,200
detail, you know, they put They 
put so much thought and craft 

973
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,200
into it because it's like, well,
we're going to make it so that 

974
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,000
they're all, it's raining, 
they're wet. 

975
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,100
So they're shiny and it's a full
moon. 

976
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,200
So it's, you know, they're 
they're lit up by the moon and 

977
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
you can see them. 
So, clearly in the blood kind of

978
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:31,100
glows green and the, the the 
poison breath is like a big 

979
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,700
green cloud and things like 
that. 

980
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,900
You know, the fog in the 
background coming off of the 

981
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,100
lake. 
Oh yeah, you know, helps create 

982
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,300
like a background behind the 
monster. 

983
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,400
Others to help them stand out 
from, you know, there's there is

984
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,700
so much craft and so much 
brilliant production work that 

985
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:54,700
went into this final battle and 
it just makes me frustrated for 

986
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:59,700
how much people right off this 
series as being cheeseball, 

987
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,900
campy, bullshit. 
When I look at things like this 

988
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:09,600
and I go 99% of Hollywood film 
sets could be learning tricks 

989
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,200
from what this movie is doing. 
You know, I mean, it really 

990
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,000
reminded me of Pacific Rim this 
scene? 

991
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:20,300
The original layout, the 
original. 

992
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:21,900
Yeah, I never even saw the 
second one. 

993
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:29,100
Don't thank you. 
I will but just I am positive 

994
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,800
that Del Toro, watch this film 
and was like I'm going to make a

995
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,000
scene like this and at night you
can see everything and they're 

996
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,000
all lit up and I think about the
waves and the fog just like this

997
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,800
scene. 
Did because like this is an 

998
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,000
inspired fight scene for sure. 
Well, this this director and 

999
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,200
this sfx ad will continue 
working on Godzilla through the 

1000
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,000
heisei era. 
So we're going to see a ton of 

1001
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,900
night battles that are similarly
well-lit well-staged. 

1002
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:04,100
Like well designed to sell like 
a night battle that still gives 

1003
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:08,900
you a lot of visible detail and 
knowing that Del Toro is a big 

1004
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:13,300
fan of like well, Le yes. 
But you know all kinds of like 

1005
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:16,800
classic horror and sci-fi. 
You know, he was thinking about 

1006
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,500
stuff like this because some of 
the best. 

1007
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:23,000
Sure the best like giant scale 
at night like work I've ever 

1008
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,500
seen. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1009
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,000
I also love, you know. 
So this is now if we consider 

1010
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,200
this is our new like Godzilla, 
three in a way and this is the 

1011
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,200
first time we've seen Godzilla 
have to fight another monster in

1012
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,700
this format. 
This really sells us on a very 

1013
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:47,500
different kind of Godzilla than 
before because Godzilla through 

1014
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,100
the 60s and 70s was very much a 
determinate. 

1015
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:53,300
ER right you knock him down he 
gets back up, he's Scrappy he's 

1016
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:58,300
gonna keep going. 
This Godzilla is almost more 

1017
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:02,300
like a demon, right? 
Like this is there is no amount 

1018
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:04,100
of damage. 
That can be done to Godzilla 

1019
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:08,400
that slowing him down, you know,
we have the, the bacteria, 

1020
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400
infecting his See, he's been, 
you know, blown up with 

1021
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,600
microwave - he's getting impaled
through the hand, you know, spit

1022
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,700
on with acid and he just keeps 
walking forward. 

1023
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:25,700
You know, an Unstoppable force 
and even when at his worst like 

1024
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,300
he's still able to just blow a 
hole through Biollante. 

1025
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,700
It almost was never fair, you 
know. 

1026
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:39,100
So this really sells the idea of
Godzilla is something truly 

1027
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,800
Beyond the possibility of 
Destruction. 

1028
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,600
Yeah, absolutely. 
And it reminded me of how the 

1029
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,700
doctor says something in the 
film about how he created this 

1030
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:56,200
thing to be immortal. 
And then after Biollante is 

1031
01:03:56,207 --> 01:03:58,400
finally defeated, he says, well 
I guess it wasn't a mortal after

1032
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,700
all, you know, and actually he 
was wrong, right? 

1033
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,600
When we know that by, I want to 
actually does survive this and 

1034
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,700
but probably only because it Add
Godzilla's cells. 

1035
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:13,800
And it's makeup because Godzilla
is like he said, basically an 

1036
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,500
immortal demon at this point. 
Yeah. 

1037
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:22,000
This this, this movie really 
helps to me more than any movie 

1038
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,700
before it cement like the 
goddamn Godzilla mmm-hmm. 

1039
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,700
Well, the bacteria does start to
take effect a little bit. 

1040
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:36,800
You get sleepy Gods. 
Yeah, he gets CP falls down into

1041
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,500
the ocean. 
Everybody kind of gathers round 

1042
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:43,200
doctor shiragami's like 
Biollante is my last work. 

1043
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,700
I'm not doing this again this 
time for sure. 

1044
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,300
Yeah, I'm hanging my hat up. 
I'm done. 

1045
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:54,700
Yeah, Biollante, like fleas into
space again and there's like an 

1046
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,900
image of Erica. 
Oh, so good. 

1047
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:00,400
It's so good. 
Their face literally appears in 

1048
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,100
the sky. 
Yeah. 

1049
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,700
Now, was it just the doctor who 
saw that? 

1050
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:07,800
Are they all see it? 
Did they all die is because Miki

1051
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,700
at least was like well she says 
thank you, you know I think they

1052
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:13,000
all saw it too. 
Yeah. 

1053
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:16,500
I mean the movie makes it 
abundantly clear that that Erica

1054
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:20,200
was a part of Biollante, for 
sure, right. 

1055
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,800
To the point where I was 
actually questioning did he 

1056
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,500
splice some of her with the rose
originally? 

1057
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:29,000
Like, did he biologically create
that? 

1058
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,400
Or was that her spirit moved 
into the road? 

1059
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,500
I mean, it's possible you don't 
really know how much, you know, 

1060
01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:38,700
I can see in his desperation. 
He never says it right, but but 

1061
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:41,300
it's not out of character. 
He did in fact fully this with 

1062
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:43,000
his ha. 
So right? 

1063
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,700
He's a mad scientist, right? 
At the end of the day. 

1064
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,100
Desperate obsessively only 
child? 

1065
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:49,700
Right? 
Exactly. 

1066
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,900
So I it's hard for me to not 
think about that panel because 

1067
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:56,900
like this dude could do so much 
like he could Cure cancer. 

1068
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:01,500
But he doesn't want to come on. 
His daughter into a rose 

1069
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:05,000
crocodile is the, the Sauron of 
roses. 

1070
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,900
Yeah. 
So honestly, I was like, all 

1071
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:12,600
right, I guess this movie is 
wrapping up but no doctor 

1072
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,900
shiragami steps forward and he 
gets shot by the sorority and 

1073
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:17,500
agent. 
That's right, guys. 

1074
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:21,800
Always thought about ss9 King 
for always there. 

1075
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,800
So I chase happens and it ends 
with the sorority and agent 

1076
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,100
standing on one of the lightning
generators and he just gets 

1077
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:35,000
disintegrated amazingly funny. 
If you'd gone, he just amazing 

1078
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,500
doesn't look down at what he's 
standing on and then it goes 

1079
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,000
near and then he's gone. 
I clapped I threw popcorn at the

1080
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,300
screen. 
I was like, I just was so 

1081
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:48,500
impressed, that this is how this
was gonna end. 

1082
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,300
So Godzilla cold down in the 
water. 

1083
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,100
So the bacteria is slowing down 
again. 

1084
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,400
So he just gets back up. 
He gets in the water, he swims 

1085
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,900
away. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1086
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:05,200
Those find your fucking 
political struggle is over. 

1087
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,000
You've wasted your last command 
cells. 

1088
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,200
I killed the monster. 
You know, you can no longer make

1089
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,900
the bacteria thing you were 
making, you know? 

1090
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:16,900
Yeah, mission accomplished, I'm 
gonna go take a nap now. 

1091
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,500
Oscar's boyfriend is like, you 
know what? 

1092
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,700
Maybe I don't want to go to MIT 
maybe a career. 

1093
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,100
In science isn't so good. 
I'm gonna open a restaurant. 

1094
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:35,000
So the doctors body is moving to
a tent. 

1095
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,200
They Mourn him. 
Godzilla's swimming off and 

1096
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,900
Biollante is hovering in space 
and that's the end like they 

1097
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:43,400
really set this up for something
else. 

1098
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:50,500
Now then attended the with 
Mickey's dream of the rows in 

1099
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:52,600
space. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1100
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:53,900
Yeah. 
That was cool. 

1101
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:57,500
Oh my God. 
See how this movie fucking rips?

1102
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:59,200
I mean, there's really no way 
around that. 

1103
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,700
That's a great film. 
Yeah it is it is one of the few 

1104
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:06,100
that I've seen before. 
Yeah, it's good. 

1105
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:09,500
And literally the only thing 
holding it back is the constant 

1106
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,400
reuse of the same three tracks 
that are tonally. 

1107
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,400
Not at all. 
In line with what you consider a

1108
01:08:15,408 --> 01:08:17,600
Godzilla soundtrack to be so 
fucking. 

1109
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Thank you sugiyama. 
And it's I think it's a real 

1110
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,500
serious horror film to me? 
Yes, I would. 

1111
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:32,700
This is a great example of, 
like, sci-fi horror, you know, 

1112
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:37,200
that plays with skepticism of 
what are we doing with our 

1113
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,600
technological advances? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1114
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:44,399
And, you know, I also appreciate
that. 

1115
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,700
There's they still had a little 
bit of humor in it. 

1116
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:49,700
Like there's a part where, you 
know, when they're get I think 

1117
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:53,600
they're getting the bacteria 
that heats the nuclear material 

1118
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,200
and there's a sorority, an agent
trying to capture like trying to

1119
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,399
steal it and they just Bonk him 
on the head that has kind of 

1120
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,500
Three Stooges noise come out 
when he gets bonked on the head 

1121
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,800
or there's a part where they go 
to, I think when they're 

1122
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,000
shifting to Osaka and J-pop 
music. 

1123
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,500
Art's playing and then 15 
seconds later. 

1124
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:14,500
It's like, whoop concerts 
canceled. 

1125
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:17,700
Sorry and the music just stops 
because Godzilla's coming. 

1126
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,800
Yeah, so I appreciated like 
that. 

1127
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,300
They had those light moments. 
I hope that it came off as being

1128
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:26,700
intentionally corny, you know, 
like because they were I think 

1129
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:30,399
you needed that too though. 
Like, because Godzilla has been 

1130
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:35,700
like intentionally very funny 
through its history and 

1131
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,000
sometimes you need something 
light like that to break up. 

1132
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,800
The tension examine otherwise, 
very heavy and politically have 

1133
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:48,100
a movie. 
Sadly look, we love this movie 

1134
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,500
to death, this movie barely made
its budget back. 

1135
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,900
Oh no, what the fuck was going 
on with theatrical audiences 

1136
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:59,100
when it came to this? 
But, you know, after we return 

1137
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:02,000
of Godzilla did so well, this 
movie, you know, I get didn't 

1138
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,700
flop, but it didn't like it 
broke even and just barely 

1139
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:13,900
Unfortunately, because of this 
super the, the special effects 

1140
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:17,700
supervisor koishikawa, Kita 
mentioned previously, worked on 

1141
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:20,700
gun head gun had was a huge 
flop, and then this was supposed

1142
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:23,300
to be another big opportunity, 
and this barely made it back 

1143
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,900
col, Kita, blames or at the 
time. 

1144
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:30,500
At least blamed both movies, 
failure on himself. 

1145
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,200
I mean, you know, we all 
understand that feeling of, you 

1146
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,000
know, when you're a part of a 
big project and something 

1147
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,400
doesn't work out, it's easy to 
be hyper. 

1148
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:44,500
Nickel of your part even though.
I mean I would, I am think his 

1149
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:50,400
work is be above reproach on 
this movie, but he did develop a

1150
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,700
drinking problem for a few years
after this. 

1151
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,700
Thankfully, the next Godzilla 
movie, which he works on, does 

1152
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:59,800
much better. 
And, and, you know, we get a 

1153
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,100
happier outcome of all of this. 
But, you know, there's real 

1154
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:09,200
people working on these movies 
and, you know, it's kind of I 

1155
01:11:09,208 --> 01:11:11,600
don't know, just makes it feel 
all the more real to realize, 

1156
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,100
like, you know, the people 
working on this were devastated 

1157
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,400
that the work couldn't catch on.
Yeah. 

1158
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,400
I mean, it's such a good movie. 
It's such a good film. 

1159
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:25,100
It's unfortunate. 
It didn't do well and I don't 

1160
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:28,100
know how to explain that. 
But yeah, well, and again like 

1161
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:31,000
fortunate that, you know, he 
took it so hard because if you 

1162
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,500
just subject the not 
objectively, but if you 

1163
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:35,900
subjectively look at it. 
Yeah, it's a great film. 

1164
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:39,700
I mean like an actual effects 
work is II. 

1165
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:41,900
Look, I'm willing to say 
objectively. 

1166
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,900
I think the special effects work
is the stuff that stands out the

1167
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:50,000
most of all so good. 
Like it's a good movie. 

1168
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,300
It's well-directed, it's a solid
script. 

1169
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:55,600
Maybe a little over written and 
a little over packed, but like 

1170
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,400
there's, there's, there's a lot 
of good going for this movie, 

1171
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,900
but it is the visual language of
the movie. 

1172
01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:06,200
It is the complexity of the new 
Godzilla suit and the Biollante 

1173
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:12,100
designs and the Puppeteer work, 
you know, the the choices for, 

1174
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,500
you know, lighting like you said
that the choice to have them wet

1175
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,000
so that the lights would glint 
off of them and make them stand 

1176
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,100
off the fog in the background to
help break them up from the 

1177
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:25,800
environment stuff like that. 
Like this is a brilliantly 

1178
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,800
designed movie and it's 
unfortunate that he blamed 

1179
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:35,100
himself because he's I mean 
again God that shot of Biollante

1180
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:40,900
like trampling towards the 
camera is Iconic for sure. 

1181
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,200
Yeah, and and gods, you know, 
there's kind of that scene with 

1182
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,300
right before Biollante puts 
Godzilla has head in his mouth 

1183
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:50,400
and they're like framed by the 
fog like you were saying it's 

1184
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,200
just like this looks like a 
pinup poster of he's monsters. 

1185
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,000
You know, man, yeah, it's so 
good. 

1186
01:12:57,100 --> 01:13:02,400
Yeah, I genuinely think that 
like, when Gareth Edwards would 

1187
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,500
get the opportunity to make that
Godzilla movie in 2014, like 

1188
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:11,900
Edwards was clearly looking At a
lot of this era of Godzilla for 

1189
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:14,900
visual inspiration and I don't 
know that you could pick a 

1190
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:18,500
better era to do that. 
With, of course, we'll get to 

1191
01:13:18,508 --> 01:13:21,300
that eventually but yeah, I can 
definitely see that. 

1192
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:22,100
Yep. 
Yeah. 

1193
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:28,400
There's also a decent bit of 
like drama that comes out in the

1194
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,600
aftermath of this movie. 
The the director cause a 

1195
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,600
kiyomori became pretty openly 
critical of long time. 

1196
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,900
Series producer, tomoyuki Tanaka
You know, basically blaming 

1197
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,500
Tanaka for all of the woes that 
the Godzilla franchise and had 

1198
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:49,500
over time. 
This is an opinion shared by is 

1199
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:51,300
Cheryl. 
Honda and Acura a fukube, 

1200
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:54,900
although Honda always the 
consummate professional, maybe 

1201
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:59,300
sometimes to his detriment, you 
know, was always publicly very 

1202
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:02,500
polite about that and didn't are
his frustrations very publicly, 

1203
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,300
he fukube, didn't give a shitty 
fukube, would talk about Tanaka 

1204
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,000
to anybody who asked, A true 
hothead. 

1205
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,900
We love him, Evac, Ube also. 
Reportedly was so just disgusted

1206
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:23,100
by sugiyama as work on this that
if everybody to Africa Evac Ube 

1207
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:26,700
dropped, all of his future 
projects to return to Godzilla 

1208
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:30,200
for the next movie on word. 
Because remember we return of 

1209
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,000
Godzilla a fukube was like, look
man, I'm booked up. 

1210
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,500
I'm the Godzilla guy. 
Like, you know, I got I got too 

1211
01:14:37,508 --> 01:14:41,500
many big big Budget shit to do, 
you know? 

1212
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:43,500
And I'm not going to drop them 
for you. 

1213
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:46,800
But Sukiyaki sugiyama came in 
and fucked up so bad. 

1214
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,700
He was like cancel my 
appointments. 

1215
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:53,800
I got to go fix my baby and I 
just received a cue that 

1216
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,200
pettiness. 
Fuck see, the armor. 

1217
01:14:57,100 --> 01:15:01,200
Yeah. 
Um, by the way so we are going 

1218
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,100
to resurrect the, the titles 
bit. 

1219
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:06,900
Yes. 
So we didn't have a title 

1220
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:08,500
Frankenstein as this. 
Yes. 

1221
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,300
So there weren't any fun titles 
for Return of Godzilla but there

1222
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:16,200
were two fun titles for Godzilla
vs. 

1223
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:20,800
Biollante in Greece. 
The movie was known as Godzilla 

1224
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,600
2000 and oh,no, wow, funny for a
couple reasons because of 

1225
01:15:28,608 --> 01:15:33,000
course, there would eventually 
be an actual Godzilla 2000 you, 

1226
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,100
right? 
Know that 1989 is not quite 

1227
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:38,500
close enough to 2000 to make 
that jump. 

1228
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:43,500
With it you know. 
Not not sure what's up there but

1229
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:45,900
I appreciate it. 
Getting a headstone oats. 

1230
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:51,300
Great job grease Taiwan though 
Taiwan has the best title of 

1231
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:54,800
them all in Taiwan this movie 
was known as big dinosaurs. 

1232
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,000
I love it. 
Big dinosaurs, that's the 

1233
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,900
titles. 
I want to see that but you may 

1234
01:16:02,900 --> 01:16:05,900
know that there's only one big 
dinosaur in this movie. 

1235
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,100
Technically, but I guess plants.
Can also be dinosaurs Biollante.

1236
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:14,900
Looks again, very crocodilian. 
The Wonder. 

1237
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:18,300
They're, they're big yeah again.
No notes. 

1238
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:20,800
Bless you Taiwan. 
Excellent choice. 

1239
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:25,500
I would, if I saw a VHS that was
just called, big dinosaurs. 

1240
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:28,500
No cover art. 
I would get that in are 

1241
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:29,700
becoming. 
Yeah. 

1242
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:36,000
For sure, if I get that poster. 
Yeah, the posters just the title

1243
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,000
of Of big dinosaurs, but I had 
on ways. 

1244
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,700
Big guys are led by a lot days 
on it. 

1245
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:46,700
Yeah, but I have to have it. 
So, um, like if we want to talk 

1246
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:51,300
about the lasting impact of this
movie, I mean, a, this fully 

1247
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:55,500
launched is the heisei series, 
right before we had a weird cool

1248
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:57,700
one-off sequel to the original 
Godzilla. 

1249
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,100
That was an experiment at 
Reviving, the franchise. 

1250
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,900
Now they come back and we have 
officially gone note. 

1251
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,300
We are continuing down this 
path. 

1252
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:08,100
We have a new set. 
Of continuity and we're going to

1253
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:12,800
continue this darker more 
violent tone, you know, as much 

1254
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,300
heavier kind of emotional tone. 
And and, you know, we're going 

1255
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,400
to obviously see that through 
the heisei series because this 

1256
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:25,000
is the same director who will do
most of these movies and of 

1257
01:17:25,008 --> 01:17:29,000
course, Biollante easily, one of
Godzilla's most famous and 

1258
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,900
popular, foes rightfully. 
So I mean I think after like 

1259
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:37,400
King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla 
and And Mothra. 

1260
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,400
I mean, for the extent that you 
can call moth or a foe, like 

1261
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,600
once you get past them, like, 
Biollante and guy ganar, kind of

1262
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:52,300
the most beloved by fans and 
Destroy when we get to it more 

1263
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:57,000
so than like Rodin who has shown
up significantly more times. 

1264
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,000
So yeah, Biollante is violante 
as well. 

1265
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,200
Beloved and should because God 
damn what a design. 

1266
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,700
For sure. 
Yeah, just a really cool design 

1267
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,000
and so different from so many of
the other ones. 

1268
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,700
Yeah, I can go on and on about 
how much I love Biollante is 

1269
01:18:15,708 --> 01:18:19,600
design and is in, you know, the 
idea of I was talking to my 

1270
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,500
partner about if we watched it 
and they were saying, well I 

1271
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:28,000
didn't know any of the monsters 
in these movies were plants and 

1272
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,200
I was like, yeah, there's one. 
Yeah, it's awesome. 

1273
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:34,600
I don't know if there's any more
but, yeah, he's awesome. 

1274
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,600
It's awesome. 
He it she I usually use she 

1275
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,100
because there's some amount of 
Erica. 

1276
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:44,000
See you in there but like it is 
a giant plant monster. 

1277
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,000
It is maybe plan. 
'And you know, I'm also going to

1278
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,300
know it has transcended gender 
for sure. 

1279
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,900
Yeah. 
I'm also going to note, though 

1280
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,400
along those lines, they were 
using a lot more gender neutral 

1281
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,600
language for Godzilla, then I 
have caught in the past. 

1282
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:05,300
So notice that, I recall that 
being consistent through The 90s

1283
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:09,400
movies as well that they they 
treat Godzilla in a slightly 

1284
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:14,800
less gendered fashion and you 
know just interesting of note, 

1285
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,600
not well I'm super into 
Biollante is like space form for

1286
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,800
some reason. 
Just a giant Rose in space is 

1287
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,100
cool to me. 
I almost earlier we were talking

1288
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:26,700
about the cry. 
I was like, yeah, that cries 

1289
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:30,100
kind of Yuri but not reusing. 
She, a, that cries kind of Yuri,

1290
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,100
you know what, it actually made 
me think of was I think it's 

1291
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,600
Star Trek for the original Star 
Trek for. 

1292
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,200
Oh my God. 
Yes, the one the whales in 

1293
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,200
space. 
Yes that's all. 

1294
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,400
We're a giant spaceship shows up
like basically threatening to 

1295
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,100
destabilize Earth and it can 
only speak in whale song. 

1296
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,500
Yeah. 
But oh darn it. 

1297
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:53,800
We made all the whales go 
extinct. 

1298
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:57,900
So let's go back in time and 
bring some whales to the Future 

1299
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:02,900
so they can have a chat. 
Yeah and but but this like now 

1300
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:06,300
we've that's that's the space. 
Alright, there is a giant Rose. 

1301
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:08,100
I think it's really, really 
cool. 

1302
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,200
Yeah, I think it's interesting 
because you know, like this is 

1303
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,100
while it goes in a very 
different direction than the 

1304
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:19,600
more optimistic tone that a lot 
of the like Honda's movies 

1305
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,000
would, this is still something 
that is very interested in 

1306
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,500
having conversations about like,
the direction, we're moving with

1307
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:30,900
scientific advancement, it's 
very interested in the morality 

1308
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:34,600
play between people. 
This is, you know, while taking 

1309
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,200
More cynical 90s tone. 
You know, I think this actually 

1310
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,500
really well adapt. 
A lot of the spirit of Honda to 

1311
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:49,800
the era if that makes sense. 
You know, I mean, you know, the 

1312
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:54,800
bit about Eugenics aside, this 
is, you know, otherwise a very 

1313
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,100
interesting movie about like 
very current concerns. 

1314
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,400
That doesn't try. 
That neither like tries to 

1315
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,100
vilify, the scientific 
advancement Right. 

1316
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:10,000
But also wants to give voice to 
like proper skepticism of have 

1317
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:16,700
we thought through the outcomes 
of our decisions Jurassic Park, 

1318
01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:19,500
before Jurassic Park, you know, 
for sure. 

1319
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,900
And I mean, I was thinking about
that, you know, this came 

1320
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:26,400
because came out in 1989, 
Michael crichton's book, 

1321
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:32,800
Jurassic Park, comes out in 
1990, and he according to him, 

1322
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:37,800
he wrote Jurassic Based on a 
short story, he wrote in 1983 

1323
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,600
and so and then, you know, the 
Jurassic Park film comes out a 

1324
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:45,100
couple of years later and really
popularized as a lot of these 

1325
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:48,100
topics. 
But this was, this film was 

1326
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:52,400
really right on the edge of 
commenting on genetic 

1327
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,200
engineering and and the drama 
around that in the public eye 

1328
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,000
and I think in a really smart 
way. 

1329
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:01,300
Yeah, you know, way that frankly
like Jurassic Park doesn't touch

1330
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:05,500
on because it did this film. 
Touches on sort of the 

1331
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:10,400
geopolitical issues around it, 
in a really smart way and the 

1332
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,100
competition between, you know, 
literally Japan and the United 

1333
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:17,900
States at the time, you know, we
were friends but we were 

1334
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:21,600
Frenemies in a lot of ways. 
There was you know, yellow Peril

1335
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,500
type propaganda going around and
fear of Japanese dominance and 

1336
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:30,700
Technology throughout the 80s. 
And you know I actually 

1337
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:34,500
something I wanted to talk about
real quick is I fished up I do 

1338
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:41,600
The quote, from, let's see who 
said this, let me get the 

1339
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,500
exactly somebody in the Bush 
Administration. 

1340
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,500
The first Bush Administration. 
Also, this is gonna wait in the 

1341
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,500
gray. 
He was counsel to President, 

1342
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:54,200
Bush 1989, 293 and his quote was
the pharmaceutical industry and 

1343
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,500
agricultural sector are leading 
edges of American economic and 

1344
01:22:57,500 --> 01:23:01,600
technological innovation. 
We wanted to make sure that 

1345
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,700
Innovation wasn't impeded and 
was in fact allowed To Bloom as 

1346
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:08,400
much as possible. 
And he is referring specifically

1347
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,500
to genetic modification and 
genetic engineering when he's 

1348
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:15,000
talking about that. 
And so, I think it kind of goes 

1349
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,600
to show that this was a serious 
thing at the highest level and 

1350
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,000
for the United States and for 
the rest of the world, that the 

1351
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,100
United States was pushing 
genetic engineering in a way 

1352
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,900
that made the rest of the world 
afraid of what they might do. 

1353
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,300
Yeah. 
And the United States was 

1354
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:36,700
gung-ho about it under You know,
pretty serious Republican 

1355
01:23:36,700 --> 01:23:39,900
administrations in the 80s, in a
lot of ways, is really easy to 

1356
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:43,500
understand, the, the slide in to
cynicism. 

1357
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,400
We in this movie with regards to
like National relationships, 

1358
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,500
when you look at, like, how long
can you try to be optimistic 

1359
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,300
about your relationships with 
the US when you've dealt with at

1360
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:58,100
this point? 
Multiple Decades of like you 

1361
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:02,200
said, yellow Peril around like 
Japanese technological and 

1362
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:07,100
Industrial progression, you 
know, you know, look at the fear

1363
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:11,700
of encroaching Japanese 
technology in the American 

1364
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,700
economy and the American home, 
when you see the way America is 

1365
01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:19,500
once again running roughshod 
over the rest of the world, when

1366
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,500
it comes to things like genetic 
engineering and you know Japan 

1367
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:25,300
maybe more than anybody has the 
right to be. 

1368
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,700
A little bit concerned when 
Americans start getting a little

1369
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:32,200
too jumpy with new technology. 
You know, you can understand why

1370
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:36,100
that, that cynicism may start to
overtake the optimism. 

1371
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,900
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

1372
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:43,400
This is brilliant movie movie 
very much, like, capturing that 

1373
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,700
moment in time. 
I think it captures everything 

1374
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:50,100
that was important about the 
original Godzilla, you know, and

1375
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,500
very Faithfully sticks to a lot 
of those tones and themes. 

1376
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:56,500
This is this So fucking good 
one. 

1377
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,400
They are on a goddamn roll with 
the heisei era right now and I'm

1378
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,800
terrified for the first Miss II.
Just I really liked what you 

1379
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:10,400
said about it really to me was 
like this is the first one of 

1380
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,500
the whole series since the very 
first Godzilla film, it feels 

1381
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:20,500
like they're touching on some 
kind of global concern about 

1382
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:25,000
science and what it can do and 
in a realistic way. 

1383
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,200
Like these are not not 
analytics, Iowa coming down but 

1384
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,900
yeah you know creating a 
mechanical monstrosity. 

1385
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:34,600
This is these are real humans 
creating this stuff. 

1386
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,700
Not for good reasons in a 
threatening way. 

1387
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,800
And the result is these monsters
that kind of battle each other. 

1388
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:46,000
I mean I don't I think for me 
Biollante doesn't end up being 

1389
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,300
an evil monster at the end of 
the movie, you know he ends up 

1390
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:53,600
being or they end up being a 
rose floating in space, and 

1391
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,200
maybe being at peace with 
themselves. 

1392
01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:59,600
Laugh at that point, I want H to
creature doing what it does to 

1393
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,300
survive, you know. 
It didn't ask to be created, you

1394
01:26:03,300 --> 01:26:04,200
know. 
Yeah. 

1395
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:09,600
Very, very, very Mary Shelley, 
you know, very much so yeah. 

1396
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,000
Fucking excellent movies. 
Anybody have any final thoughts 

1397
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:16,100
on this? 
Or we gonna sit here and just 

1398
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:19,300
say fucking excellent movie, 
like a dozen different ways. 

1399
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:26,000
Basically that, I mean, I think 
the one thing That when you're 

1400
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,400
watching a movie like this, as a
as a geneticist specifically, 

1401
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,600
but as a scientist, in general, 
you have to really suspend your 

1402
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:39,000
yearning for accuracy and think 
about how is the general public 

1403
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,700
going to perceive this. 
Because there's just a lot of 

1404
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:46,600
stuff in this movie that is just
way off the with regards to 

1405
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,700
societal scientific bunk and 
and, and that's fine. 

1406
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800
That's actually how it probably 
should be. 

1407
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,200
Yeah, it reminds me of a woman 
explaining science. 

1408
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:57,500
Science to other Layman. 
So yeah. 

1409
01:26:57,500 --> 01:27:01,300
And like it reminded me of the 
frog DNA part of Jurassic Park, 

1410
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:02,000
right? 
Yeah. 

1411
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,500
Because I believe, if you read 
the Jurassic Park Book, he goes 

1412
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:09,700
into details that like, go 
beyond, you know, average person

1413
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:11,800
that are standing in the movie. 
They're just like, yeah, we put 

1414
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,700
frog DNA. 
And that's why this happened and

1415
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:16,000
that's fine. 
It doesn't make sense if you 

1416
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,000
actually think about it, but it 
explains in this movie too, you 

1417
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,400
know, you pushing the cells 
together or they're suddenly 

1418
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,900
able to just create this plant 
monster out of Of it, just let 

1419
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:28,800
it go. 
If you're a scientist or if 

1420
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,700
you're obsessed with those 
things because I think it made 

1421
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:36,700
the film better by just, you 
know, and they showed it, they 

1422
01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:38,700
showed the cells getting pushed 
together, there's multiple 

1423
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:41,100
scenes of him, looking in the 
microscope and seeing what's 

1424
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:43,700
going on into the microscope and
it was done. 

1425
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:48,000
So so well and effectively. 
And I just, I'm very impressed 

1426
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,300
by that and I hope that People 
consider that when they're 

1427
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:56,000
watching films, like like this 
one, and how there are so many 

1428
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,300
ways, they could have screwed 
that up. 

1429
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,800
They could have gone on into 
detail about how these things 

1430
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,500
work in a way that would have 
just tanked the movie. 

1431
01:28:02,900 --> 01:28:07,300
Yeah. 
Charlotte, you got anything? 

1432
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,000
No, it's good move. 
Good is good movie. 

1433
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:15,700
All right, folks, that is a wrap
on this episode. 

1434
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:18,200
Thank you all so much for 
joining us on our journey so 

1435
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,300
far. 
MJ you got anything? 

1436
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:21,900
You feel like plugging for our 
listeners? 

1437
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,000
Oh, I have a Blog. 
Plenty of hominids.com. 

1438
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:30,600
And I'm on co-host. 
If anybody? 

1439
01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:34,800
I don't post that much but I 
post dumb stuff on there 

1440
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,300
sometimes. 
That's dr. 

1441
01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:42,900
M to the J, DRM the number to th
e j. 

1442
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,000
So if you're interested you 
could check me out there or 

1443
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,100
check out my blog. 
I'm planning to sort of post 

1444
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:53,000
more often than I have been 
including a post about Godzilla 

1445
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:53,800
vs. 
Biollante. 

1446
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,700
So hell yeah, maybe a little 
companion piece to this podcast.

1447
01:28:57,700 --> 01:29:00,100
Yeah, just wanted to say I 
really appreciate you guys 

1448
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:03,100
having me on. 
I'm not y'all having me on. 

1449
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:07,600
I'm not like you know, Big Time 
on Line person necessarily so 

1450
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,100
not that, that's what you're 
going for, right? 

1451
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:14,200
But but I am a huge fan of 
Godzilla and of the Pod and and 

1452
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,100
of you too. 
So I just I'm humbled and I feel

1453
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:18,200
great being here. 
Thank you. 

1454
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,900
Well, you ended up being the 
perfect. 

1455
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:22,500
I mean, literally perfect guest 
for this episode. 

1456
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:25,200
So give yourself a pat on the 
back as well. 

1457
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:28,000
Thank you, it would be you. 
It sure would be nice if we 

1458
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,300
could all like decide on a 
single social media platform 

1459
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:34,100
that we're moving onto from 
Twitter, right? 

1460
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:35,600
Because we're like, we're trying
out. 

1461
01:29:35,700 --> 01:29:38,700
We tried out Hive for a bit and 
like that doesn't seem to have 

1462
01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:42,100
stuck and people are trying like
co-host and mastodons and like 

1463
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:45,700
blue skies picking up but nobody
wants to post on it and fucking 

1464
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:49,400
Jack is a piece of shit still. 
So yeah, you know, we don't have

1465
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,300
a lot of options here, we'll 
figure it out. 

1466
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:56,500
Eventually, I know, I promise, 
I'll still be on co-host though 

1467
01:29:56,500 --> 01:29:58,900
as long as they keep to go doing
what they're doing. 

1468
01:29:58,900 --> 01:30:04,400
Yeah, so you know, join me on 
there if you want it's not the 

1469
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,400
same as Twitter but it is And 
that's a good thing saying it's 

1470
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,000
not the same as Twitter. 
Is a positive statement, in a in

1471
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,700
a good way. 
Sure, if you've enjoyed this 

1472
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:17,700
episode of Castle Bravo, please 
consider rating and reviewing us

1473
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:20,500
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and recommend the show to your 

1474
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:23,500
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beat the whims of the almighty 

1475
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:26,800
algorithms and at least for the 
time being. 

1476
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,800
See earlier conversation, you 
can follow production and 

1477
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,500
release updates at twitter.com 
slash Castle Bravo pod. 

1478
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,000
That's all we've got this week. 
See See you next whenever and 

1479
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:44,000
take care everyone, bye-bye. 
Castle Bravo is a production of 

1480
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,100
Derek Van Dyke and Charlotte 
landel. 

1481
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,200
All editing is performed by 
Derek Van Dyke. 

1482
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:54,700
Special thanks to Kiri a Lamont 
for our art assets and to David 

1483
01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:57,400
Van Dyke for our theme song 
pools of memory. 

1484
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:54,700
Special thanks to Kiri a Lamont 
for our art assets and to David 

1485
01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:57,400
Van Dyke for our theme song 
pools of memory.