1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,280 And then we cut to Chernobyl, and there's a very happy man 2 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:05,960 singing the Clockwork Orange song and collecting. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Worms from the ground. I love that that's what you call 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,240 it. Singing in your brain is. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,840 I mean like you're not wrong, but that shouldn't be your 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,080 primary point of reference. That's the first time I ever 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:19,480 heard that song. So to me that's. 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,520 You know the song from the musical that's named after. 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Yeah, well. Hello everyone, and welcome to 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Castle Bravo, A Godzilla Verse retrospective. 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,120 I'm Derek. And I'm Charlotte. 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,800 And we're two siblings here to examine the history of the 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Godzilla franchise, one movie at a time. 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,560 We're joined by two guests today, first friend and fellow 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,920 host at Super Lux Games cast Jeff Meyer. 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Good morning. I'm here. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Morning. Jeff, it's it's early where you 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,560 are because you're you're several hours behind us, right? 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,879 Yeah, it's still a morning here. I'm still on coffee. 20 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,160 Number two of four. We'll get there. 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,440 We'll get to maximum awakeness and 2nd joining us for the third 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,400 time. Case Aiken from certain point of 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,880 view. I am certainly turning this into 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,760 a Casal Bravo shut. The fuck up. 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,640 But but Jeff, I'm with you on the on the tired front. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,480 My wife and I have recently come up with a a shift schedule for 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,960 when baby wakes up and we're both still tired in the morning. 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 And I had first shift, which meant that I didn't touch the 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,400 coffee because I was like, oh, but I'll get to go back to bed. 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,640 And then my wife woke up and immediately had a work emergency 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,960 she had to deal with. And so, like, I'm just now 32 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,920 getting into like my first cup and I'm, I'm tired. 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,440 So while we're Speaking of coffee, because we're, we're 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,360 going to launch right into how how we're doing today. 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,800 This is a great segue, yes. It is I I am on coffee #2. 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,840 I actually have made a latte at home from from Godzilla Coffee. 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,560 We're not sponsored. I don't do ads on any podcast I 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,800 do, but there is there is this coffee just like Godzilla 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,960 branded coffee from. It's a it's a small company 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,840 called Foxtail Coffee. They operate as part of a small 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,840 distributor called Jade City Foods. 42 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:27,360 And like I got, I originally got a bag of coffee from them, like 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,840 as a joke because it was like, well you know, it's 30 bucks for 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,240 a fucking 8 oz bag of coffee. That's way expensive. 45 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,880 But I'll say I bought the Godzilla coffee right It it'll 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,960 indulge my my autism it. Turns out. 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,400 It turns out it's it's not a French roast. 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,840 It's some of the best fucking coffee beans I've ever bought. 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,360 So I bought over the holidays like a sampler where I got a bag 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 of like every different one. It's like 13 different coffee 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,200 blends. Did you get I see King 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,360 Ghidorah's Embodiment of Extinction blend? 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,360 I did, I did. That's the white chocolate 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,960 macadamia nut. But that is. 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,080 But the one I'm using right now is the Mount Mihara blend, which 56 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,120 is a peppermint coffee that's that's got Violante on the 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,280 front. It is difficult because that is 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,280 one of two coffees that come pre ground instead of in bean form. 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,800 So I have to regrind the absolute shit out of them to 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,760 make an espresso puck. And because it's peppermint 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,760 you're never going to make true espresso because the 62 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 peppermint's going to dissolve with the hot water which is 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 going to free up a tiny bit of volume which is going to 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,520 immediately cause a drop in pressure. 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,080 You won't get a true crema. It's not real espresso. 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,560 What the fuck ever. I made a pseudo espresso shot, a 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,200 double pseudo espresso shot of the peppermint coffee and just 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,440 added some froth milk to it and it's lovely. 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,960 It's the best peppermint mocha I've ever had. 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:57,120 So there I got to engage in in in Autism Hyperfixation #2, 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,680 which is coffee on my Godzilla podcast. 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Well, if there's any Godzilla podcast episode to hyperfixate 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,960 on coffee about, this is the one new. 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,120 York One, that's for sure. The one where the running gag is 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,680 the coffee. Yeah, Charlotte, how you doing 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,400 today? I'm doing all right. 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,720 I'm tired too, but I don't drink a lot of coffee so I've just had 78 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,200 a lot of V8. Yeah, you're like being healthy 79 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,880 and and smart. Although black coffee can be 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 good for you, but most people don't want to drink black coffee 81 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,440 reasonable and you can't have milk so. 82 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,680 That's right, suffer. OK. 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Yeah, I'm doing good. This is one of the only movies 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,000 in this whole podcast that I've seen before. 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,280 How long has it been since? Since let's Let's get around 86 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:47,680 real quick. So obviously look today it's the 87 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,760 end of the season we have been this sort of Damocles has been 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,160 hanging over us for several episodes. 89 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Now, almost this entire season, we are finally covering the 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,360 infamous Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich, 1998 Tristar Godzilla. 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,160 For everybody here, how long has it been since you've seen this 92 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,520 movie? I don't think I've seen it since 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:17,400 it was in theaters in 98. I I I'm a little ashamed to say, 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,080 I've probably seen it a few times. 95 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,160 It's probably only been about four years for me, so relatively 96 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,880 recently, but I have different thoughts every time I watch it. 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,920 Yeah, I look, hey, I'm going to say I came away with this. 98 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,480 I came away from this. I'm trying to be less of like a 99 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,960 reactionary nerd right in my adulthood and not just like 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,520 dislike thing because different. And I'm trying to have the 101 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,440 attitude of like art that is bad, doesn't have to be like 102 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,400 that doesn't have to be an insult. 103 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Like sometimes things can can be messy and it'd be interesting to 104 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,280 pick them apart. And I just came away with way 105 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,200 more complicated feelings than I thought I would. 106 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Charlotte, how long has it been since you've seen Godzilla 98 as 107 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,360 one of the only ones you had seen prior to the podcast? 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,400 It's probably been about 20 years, but when I was a kid, 109 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,560 like, I was like 6-7 and this came out right? 110 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Yeah, it depends on if my birthday had happened yet that 111 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,280 year. This was my movie. 112 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,520 I had Godzilla books. They were only this one when you 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,840 asked me the very first time, Hey, do you like Godzilla? 114 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,600 And I said yes. This is what I meant. 115 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Oh God, that's right. No, I just, I just had so much 116 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,320 merch and I had like books that just had like frames of the 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,120 movie that I just sat and looked at. 118 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,080 And I don't know. I I have different opinions now 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 than I did then because I'm not a child. 120 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,640 It's a running theme I'm noticing here, yeah. 121 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:56,000 But yeah. I I wanted just to mention as 122 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,960 well this was also my introduction to Godzilla and 123 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,040 same kind of thing like just I was I guess 11 when it came out. 124 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,440 So right in the like the height of my dinosaur Jurassic Park 125 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,920 era. And I mean, there's some 126 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,280 similarities, like aesthetically, but just as like 127 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,920 a kid distracted by everything with super ADHD, like the bright 128 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,440 neon greens on all the art and everything like that. 129 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,880 And it's. The most. 130 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Like, yeah, same thing. I was like, I love Godzilla. 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,840 Only seen this Godzilla. And it wasn't until really just 132 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,480 five years ago, or whenever, I guess a little bit longer, when 133 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,680 the legendary stuff started coming out. 134 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,720 But I I expanded my horizons. Jeff, you actually watched the 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,440 the original Godzilla finally for the first time. 136 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,120 I did, yeah. Just finished it about an hour 137 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,320 ago. Yeah, that's. 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,600 I'm First off, I'm always glad when I can introduce people to 139 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,640 the original because I like, I do think the 1954 original is 140 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:55,040 just a masterpiece, right? Like, like it, it holds up so 141 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,920 much better than you expect it to. 142 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,960 So I also think people just unfairly think that like, oh, a 143 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,120 movie was made in the 50s or 60s is going to be shitty. 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,200 And it's like we knew how cinematography and acting worked 145 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,240 at the time. Folks. 146 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,520 Writing's not a new art. I'm a I'm a huge Star Trek nerd, 147 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,160 too. Like, it's it's very easy for me 148 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,840 to shut off the hokey, like the the special effects and stuff, 149 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,480 and just get to the core of like the messaging and the themes and 150 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,040 things which are in a good film, we're really never aged. 151 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,040 So, yeah, I appreciate a lot of that. 152 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Yeah, now case A. Like, how long has it been since 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,520 you've seen Godzilla 98? But also like B to shout out, 154 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,880 not too many years ago you did an episode of your show, Another 155 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Pass, dedicated specifically to Godzilla 98. 156 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Yeah, so, so, so, my. God, I said a couple years ago. 157 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,400 And it just struck me like, oh fuck, it's been so many years. 158 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,360 The last year has been five years. 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,200 I mean this was about two years ago. 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,960 It was, it was shortly after my Co host Sam had joined the 161 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,360 podcast. So it was in that kind of track 162 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,600 there. Yeah. 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,360 So I I did revisit it for another pass. 164 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,120 I watched it twice then and then realized that I'd only rented it 165 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,560 and thus watched it twice really quickly. 166 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Because then when I went to go re watch it now, I was like, God 167 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,400 damn it, I'd either rent it or buy it again and ended up just 168 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,120 buying it this time because you know, I'm sure it'll come up 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,160 again for some reason. Yeah, so two years ago we we 170 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,440 watched it for Another Pass, which is a podcast where we look 171 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,280 at movies and talk about how they could have been improved at 172 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,360 the time of production in a realistic way. 173 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,600 And you and Charlotte have been on to talk about the the 70s 174 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,160 King Kong movie. So if people are interested in 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,560 that idea and don't want to spend time with this specific 176 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,400 Godzilla movie, but like the host of this show, go check out 177 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,600 that episode. That's a really good one. 178 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:52,640 It had been a couple of years. It probably been like 10 years 179 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,680 between that, that watching and the last time I had seen it. 180 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:04,360 I had seen it randomly sometime in my adulthood but but really 181 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,280 not like maybe like once kind of when just like looking back at 182 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,720 some movies that I had enjoyed in my like teens and like junior 183 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,880 high, I think. I think I'm the old man on this 184 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,440 show. So I was, I was 14 when this 185 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,000 movie came out and I was a it was my eighth grade. 186 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,320 I was about to go into high school and I was fresh off of 187 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,520 the hype of Independence Day, which was like such my shit when 188 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,240 it came out and this. Looked good news. 189 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,200 It was everybody's shit. Yeah. 190 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,440 Yeah, exactly. I mean, exactly. 191 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,840 It was like a monumentally successful hype campaign, and it 192 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,160 was a movie that was inoffensive to most people. 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,080 So it was like really easy for people to kind of glom onto it 194 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,760 and be like, yeah, rah, rah, even if it's like like, there's 195 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,840 a lot of really good things going on with it and a lot of, 196 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,200 like, weaker things going on with it. 197 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,440 And I think that the weaker stuff is carried over and some 198 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,920 of the good stuff is not carried over for Godzilla, which is a 199 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,240 little bit of a bummer. I was already a Godzilla fan. 200 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,280 I was, I'm a giant Power Rangers fan. 201 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,200 I'm a giant Kaiju fan. I like, like, I really like 202 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,000 apes. So King Kong as a concept is 203 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,800 really into me like that. It's just all stuff I was going 204 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,360 to check out and like at this point I had already started 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,520 having like late night parties with my friends. 206 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,800 Parties as in quotes. Because it was really just like, 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,040 here's like five of us hanging out at one person's basement 208 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,480 watching a Godzilla movie and then seeing what we can find on 209 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,440 Skin Max. Because that was just, you know, 210 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,920 again, I was like 1314 when this movie came out, so I I was 211 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,800 primed for it. I remember I really want to talk 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,000 about the marketing campaign because I thought it was so 213 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,600 strong for this movie. I was so hyped for when it came 214 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,840 out. And then it came out and it's at 215 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,120 best fine. It is there. 216 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,560 There are some things that I I find cool about it. 217 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:51,040 There's some things that I think are interesting going on, but 218 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,800 the the circumstances of the movie are pretty mundane for a 219 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,720 giant Kaiju attack kind of movie. 220 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,560 Like they don't do enough with with it to really like reward 221 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,960 the changes that they're making. But there's there's stuff that I 222 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,840 enjoy and I I love Jurassic Park. 223 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,680 So like the the elements that were similar at the time were 224 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:10,760 cool. And like, yeah, they look 225 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,280 derivative as hell and don't hold up very well special effect 226 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,000 wise. But yeah, I mean it was super 227 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,360 super in the zeitgeist when it came out. 228 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,440 I probably saw it a couple of times over my high school period 229 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,080 on VHS, like just for rental because like, why not? 230 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,440 And then probably once or twice, maybe between high school and 231 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,160 like late 30s and then at like, I guess I was like 3738 when we 232 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,520 did the Another Pass episode on it. 233 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Yeah, it's it's so wild because like, there's just no getting 234 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:47,560 around the fact that this is maybe aside from the original 235 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,400 Godzilla, probably the most significant movie we've talked 236 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,640 about on Castle Bravo so far. For like Western audiences. 237 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,640 You you can't not have an opinion on Godzilla 98 because 238 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,080 this movie was all of culture for a brief point in time. 239 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,040 It was all-encompassing. So let's let's kind of set the 240 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,960 stage a bit here. For those who've been listening 241 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:17,280 through season three of Castle Bravo, it wasn't many movies 242 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,840 into this. Like 80s nineties resurgence 243 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:26,720 where Sony got the the rights to make a Godzilla movie in in, you 244 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,440 know, a Hollywood Godzilla movie. 245 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,240 And Toho tried a couple of times to end the Godzilla series, 246 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,440 finally ends at 95 with Versus Destroyer and you know, makes 247 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,400 this, this trilogy of of Mothra movies to try and hold things 248 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,720 over because you know this, this Godzilla movie has spent most of 249 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,920 the 90s in development hell. I was surprised to find out that 250 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,200 this movie had spent so long in development hell when I first 251 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 found out about it. Because I think most of us 252 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,640 didn't hear about this until like the first trailer with the 253 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,280 foot coming down and you know, smashing the the trucks and and 254 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,200 and the Taco Bell marketing campaigns and things like that 255 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,800 because this movie was everywhere. 256 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:21,880 So the Long story short, long time Henry Saperstein, I really 257 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,400 hope I'm pronouncing his last name right. 258 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,720 That's the thing I should have looked up before getting in 259 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,640 here. But it's too late. 260 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,360 This is one of the guys who's been heavily involved in 261 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,720 bringing Godzilla movies and other, you know, sci-fi, like 262 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Japanese made sci-fi movies of the era stateside, you know, 263 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,200 getting them translated, getting, you know, English voice 264 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,480 over, getting them into theaters, etcetera. 265 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:48,280 He finally gets permission to from Toho to make the pitch for 266 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,640 an American made Godzilla movie. How he ends up with Sony. 267 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,600 We try not to focus too much on the unmade versions of movies 268 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:05,960 because there is a graveyard of unmade Godzilla movies that that 269 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,880 spans an entire continent, right? 270 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,320 There's so, and even the ones that get made go through so many 271 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,880 changes, often times in the year or two leading up to their 272 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,560 actual production. But this is a really interesting 273 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,360 version because there was a version that very nearly made it 274 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,120 to filming all the way back in 94, four years before we got 275 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,320 this Godzilla movie. It was the original script 276 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,880 treatment was written by Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio, who 277 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,320 are kind of a famous duo in 90s and early 2000s Hollywood for 278 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,160 screen writing. It was going to be directed by 279 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Yan De Bond, who you might know is the director of Motherfucking 280 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speed, Keanu Reeves on a Bus That Can't Slow Down or It Blows 281 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Up and Special Effects by Stan Winston, which is a name that 282 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,080 needs no introduction. I'm going to drop a picture of 283 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,040 the of the Stan Winston Godzilla in the chat here and it's going 284 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,320 to blow your mind compared to what we got. 285 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,040 For listeners at home, it is an image in the production or 286 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,880 section in the Wikipedia page, so if you want to check that. 287 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Out. Yeah, you can. 288 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,720 You can find it on on the Wikipedia page, but I mean, look 289 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,720 at this is the mock up for what the Stan Winston Godzilla was 290 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,320 going to look like as an American Godzilla. 291 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,680 And it's different, right? It's different from the Japanese 292 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,320 Godzilla, but this is very clearly and unmistakably the Big 293 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,320 G. Yeah, I was going to say when 294 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,560 you say it's different, I'm like I don't think it's meaningfully 295 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,560 different from the from the Japanese Godzilla. 296 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,880 It's different in the way that, like the different, like eras 297 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,880 versions of Godzilla's are are different in each suit. 298 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Like you can see the differences if you know what you're doing, 299 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,520 but if you're coming in just from like a, you know, a a 300 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 layman's perspective. Like it, it looks like Godzilla 301 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,240 and it looks. He's got to like a slightly 302 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,760 narrower and elongated like snout. 303 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,640 That's a little more crocodilian compared to the more like I was. 304 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,280 Going to say I I see like the lizard aesthetic a little bit 305 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,040 that made it into like the final movie. 306 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Yeah. But but still much retaining 307 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,720 much more of the class. Yeah, but I mean the lizard 308 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,319 elements I'm not even sure would show up like I'm I'm not trying 309 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,880 to be like argumentative, but like if it if imagine a night 310 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,359 scene with this with this Godzilla, I feel like it would 311 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,440 look really similar to like the Godzilla from 84. 312 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,520 I think you would. You would shoot and frame them 313 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,480 very similarly, probably. And if you look at him like 314 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,080 again, like a lot of the changes that were made did carry over to 315 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:42,480 the Patrick Atopolis design. He's got way slimmer legs then 316 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Godzilla has traditionally had. Godzilla's usually got them big 317 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:53,280 old Thunder files. Yeah, way better defined arms 318 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,920 than Godzilla's. Usually much more vestigial 319 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,200 looking. You know, very T Rex inspired 320 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,000 arms. He's got, you know, much bigger 321 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,640 arms. And I do think that like while 322 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,680 you keep a Godzilla inspiration in the face, the 80s nineties 323 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,120 Godzilla was very feline in its appearance. 324 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,760 So like this is where we start leaning into the the reptilian 325 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,920 like much stronger than we have in a long time. 326 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,960 So yeah, we've got this like Bombshell 94 version that is a 327 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,400 totally different movie. In this version, Godzilla is 328 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,160 like an ancient, like biological like creation by like the 329 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:38,400 Atlanteans basically as a sort of as a as a sort of biological 330 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,080 weapon. And he ends up fighting a a 331 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,160 ghidorah like like invader from outer space. 332 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,640 So there would be another monster and it was very, very 333 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,280 focused on like Godzilla as something mythic, Titanic, you 334 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,880 know, above and outside of nature, right. 335 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Which is a a, a direction that we are very familiar with at 336 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,920 this point because the legendary movies have taken and run with 337 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,600 that, right. You know, really leaned into the 338 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,600 idea of Godzilla as something mythic rather than something, 339 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:16,680 you know, natural. This gets so close to being 340 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,520 made, I'm not entirely sure. I don't know if it's that I 341 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,600 forgot or I just didn't make a note or I couldn't find 342 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,400 anything, but at some point Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich come 343 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:33,600 into the picture and Devlin is not a fan of the original. 344 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Take the the the 94, Godzilla, Devlin and Emmerich toss out 345 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:45,240 basically everything a a a nearly finished treatment that's 346 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,680 ready to go. And we remake this from the 347 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,320 ground up, coming from the approach of we're going to take 348 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Godzilla and make it something much more naturalistic, right? 349 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,680 We're going to make this an animal that's on the loose, not, 350 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,440 you know, a a creature that is outside the natural order. 351 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:13,360 It is worth noting and this is going to feel a little like like 352 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,240 like like I'm I'm trying to like lead people's opinions, but I I 353 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,720 think it's it is important to note that Debont and Elliot and 354 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,440 Rossio. We're all very big fans of 355 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,920 Godzilla who repeatedly like made it very clear that they 356 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,160 were trying to make something that honored in their minds the 357 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,040 Godzilla that they grew up with. Devlin and Emmerich are not 358 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:45,200 Godzilla people. There is often times a need in 359 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,040 nerd culture to think you have to be a fan to make something 360 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,400 right. And I don't like that attitude. 361 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,160 I think sometimes it's good for somebody who's just a Workman to 362 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,600 come in and go, we're going to make a good movie. 363 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,920 This is a source material. Here's what I think we can do 364 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,200 with it. You know, you don't have to have 365 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,920 grown up with something since childhood to make a good 366 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:12,440 adaptation or remake, you know? So I don't want to act like I 367 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,240 don't recognize that difference in dynamic. 368 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,400 I just don't know that it's as important as maybe some other 369 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,800 things that happen along the way. 370 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,320 Godzilla gets redesigned by a creature designer and special 371 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,160 effects artist Patrick Datopoulos of Face Off fame, who 372 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,560 had previously worked with Devlin and Emmerich on Stargate 373 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,400 and Independence Day score got composed by David Arnold. 374 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Likewise composed for Stargate and Independence Day. 375 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,560 This is basically Devlin and Emerick doing a reunion tour 376 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,720 with a lot of their behind the camera like crew and a lot of 377 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,200 their creative team. Which I mean, again, like if 378 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,360 you've seen Stargate and you've seen an Independence Day, and if 379 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:59,720 you haven't, I don't know where you were in the 90s. 380 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,640 Certainly Independence Day. Yeah, I I think, I think 381 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,440 Stargate's pretty, pretty well known. 382 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,360 It's very well. Known I can understand someone 383 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,320 having not seen it but remembering the trailers. 384 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,680 But like Independence Day, like if you didn't see it, like you 385 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,960 weren't alive in what was it 95 like? 386 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,840 Yeah, I was going to say spot somebody. 387 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,240 He wasn't born until after the towers fell, right? 388 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Like that sounded really aggressive. 389 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,880 But it's kind of true. It's not a it's not a moral 390 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,800 judgment. It's just a fact of like that's 391 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,880 probably like the where you would have to be to not have 392 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,080 been marked by the movie Independence Day. 393 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,200 I've seen Independence Day. I didn't see Stargate. 394 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,760 But I saw, and this is a good team from the standpoint of like 395 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,360 coming in hyped about doing a big special effects movie that 396 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,720 isn't necessary. Big ridiculous sci-fi 397 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,520 blockbusters that hit. I like Stargate, I like 398 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Independence Day. Like these are fun. 399 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Stupid but very fun and very well made movies. 400 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,680 That look good, like the the special effects like you like. 401 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,120 Obviously things that don't hold up, especially once we get into 402 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,200 like the HD era where like you can really see the seams on 403 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440 things, but like the use of CG was really was really well 404 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160 integrated with model work. Typically speaking everything 405 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,320 looked incredible. Like, there's even a joke in in 406 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,200 Austin Powers where it's like where they show the scene of the 407 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240 White House being blown up and it's like, oh that, well, that 408 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,000 was actually a shot from Independence Day because it 409 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,080 looks so good, like. Yeah, yeah. 410 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,520 So the and, and this is kind of interesting because you you kind 411 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,160 of got into it a little earlier case, but like this movie, the 412 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,040 marketing lead up to this was insane. 413 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,920 We had marketing deals with our. I'm like Taco Bell's the big 414 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,080 one. That's the one everyone 415 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,640 remembers. But like the trailers for this, 416 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,960 refusing to show you anything from Godzilla, but like the 417 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,440 foot. Or the OR the tails? 418 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760 The swell coming out of the water, they were like hiding 419 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Godzilla from you because they wanted it to be this big thing. 420 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,400 When you finally get to see Godzilla for the first time. 421 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,880 And then, and it's so funny because like I I remember this 422 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,320 but had forgotten about it. The Godzilla leaked before the 423 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,880 movie came out, Like pictures of the design made it around. 424 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,720 That's not uncommon these days. We're like a a picture of a toy 425 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,760 line gets released early on Reddit, you know what I mean? 426 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,480 But that was like unheard of at the time for for this stuff to 427 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,480 be spreading on like IRC and message boards. 428 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,200 And I remember my dad showing me like this picture of the 429 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,880 Godzilla design, and everyone was up in arms. 430 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,000 And Devlin, Dean Devlin, this is this is so weird to me. 431 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Dean Devlin swore that the design was fake, which obviously 432 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320 like a month or two later the movie comes out and it's not. 433 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,240 And I don't know other than to say like I can understand being 434 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,920 in a defensive position of people reacting intensely 435 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,240 negatively in a way that's not normally seen in Hollywood pre 436 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,000 release and like trying to put out a fire. 437 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,440 Yeah, just what a, what a bizarre This movie. 438 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,400 You could not avoid talking and thinking about it in the lead up 439 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,120 to it. And then it releases Charlotte. 440 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,880 Yeah. Why don't you tell us what 441 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,600 happens in Godzilla the the 98.1, the one we speak of today, 442 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:38,760 simply called Godzilla. So normally I would structure my 443 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280 notes to be like, OK and this scene takes place here and then 444 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,360 I would talk about what happens there. 445 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,480 The first little bit of this movie cuts to a completely 446 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,160 different country every 10 minutes. 447 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,800 So. So the the I think like the 448 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,560 first half of my my notes on the movie are a little like jumpy 449 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,000 because it's setting up a lot of plot points and there's a lot 450 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,480 going on. It is not you if it, if it. 451 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:07,120 Very Independence Day, like. Yeah, so movie starts out, it's 452 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:13,280 very, very orange at the IT says Godzilla the Beginning. 453 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,840 And then it shows like flashes of like French Polynesia and 454 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,240 nuclear tests going on and some environmental destruction which 455 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,440 didn't really come to play to be. 456 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,640 Honest, a lot of shots of marine iguanas. 457 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,920 Yeah, and a lot of you know what? 458 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480 I I want to bring this part up because it's like even looking 459 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,080 at the Wikipedia page, it's like Godzilla is a mutated iguana and 460 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,760 I'm like, no, well, they speculate that he might be a 461 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,520 mutated iguana and we get the shot at the beginning. 462 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,960 I don't think it's like confirmed like you could you 463 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,840 could hand cannon pretty much anything still. 464 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,160 Yeah, I I would say it's not confirmed, but like a they they 465 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,840 regularly you shot some marine iguanas, although they also have 466 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,720 a random shot of Komodo dragon in there. 467 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,360 So I'm like who knows And of course like this is he's got a 468 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,280 lot of features of marine Iguana's very like uniquely and 469 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560 like it's it's a good safe bet but like it's. 470 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Certainly what they were kind of thinking. 471 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,800 I would argue that the movie is a little bit more open-ended on 472 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,720 it in terms of. Yeah, if if you didn't show the 473 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,400 the montage of the opening credits, I don't think as many 474 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,520 people would have jumped straight to Marine Iguana. 475 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,880 Yeah, yeah. But the the opening bit here 476 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,080 stops with the nuclear test and it it does show an iguana then 477 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040 too, like staring at this big explosion. 478 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,560 So I was like, oh, it must be an iguana. 479 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,480 I'm not saying it's not leading you to that opinion. 480 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,400 I'm just saying it's open-ended enough that if you want him to 481 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,040 be a dark God released by nuclear energy, it could still 482 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,840 be that. Yeah, sure. 90% of of 483 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 establishing what Godzilla probably is happens in this 484 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,160 opening montage, and outside of that, there's very little other 485 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,360 than whatever he is is changed by a nuke. 486 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,840 So, you know, yeah. Which and if they were trying to 487 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,360 take like a naturalistic approach, you think they would 488 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,680 get into that more. But they cut to a fishing ship 489 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,720 and there's a man eating and he's watching some sumo, you 490 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040 know, like as you do. Yeah, as as Japanese people 491 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,800 regularly do on their fishing ships watching sumo, right? 492 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,880 Just making it as Japanese as as babies, that's good. 493 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,120 It's the 90s. This is like this doesn't even 494 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,320 track as far as racism goes. No, There's some casual word 495 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 drops in this movie too. Yeah, we, yeah. 496 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480 There's a couple things right I. Don't get to that. 497 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000 So something big's come in on the radar. 498 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,440 It's rapidly approaching and everyone's panicking. 499 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,720 And I mean, it's Godzilla. Godzilla pierces the hole like 500 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760 tail slams the the bridge at the top of the ship just destroys 501 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,320 everything. And then we cut to Chernobyl, 502 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200 and there's a very happy man singing the Clockwork Orange 503 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,640 song and collecting. Worms from the ground. 504 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920 That's what you call it. Singing in your brain is. 505 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,520 I mean like you're not wrong, but that shouldn't be your 506 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,760 primary point of reference. That's the first time I've ever 507 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,280 heard that song, so to me, that's or. 508 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560 You could call it, you know the the song from the musical that's 509 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,120 named after. Yeah, well. 510 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Folks are learning something about Charlotte today. 511 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,440 I have a lot of Clockwork Orange merch, so he's collecting worms 512 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720 from the ground because it's Chernobyl. 513 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,200 And you know, let's take samples, see what's. 514 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440 Going on puts like these two like this thing, this thing in 515 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,600 the ground and then like turns on like a battery and it. 516 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Just makes like shocking. It just makes like a bajillion 517 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520 worm suddenly come out of the ground. 518 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,240 Later in the movie, he says he was like trying to lure them out 519 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,160 and it's like you. Just shot the shit out of them, 520 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,960 yeah. We're frying them in the 521 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Safeway. Their redneck is luring fish to 522 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,240 the surface by throwing dynamite into the pond. 523 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Yeah. So he gets interrupted. 524 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,000 There's like a a Russian military squad comes down and 525 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 there's like a a a joke at the beginning of this movie where 526 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280 they can't pronounce Tatopolis. It's not that. 527 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,280 Out of the beginning, it's throughout the entire movie, 528 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,200 even in French. Yeah, and it's it's like to top 529 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280 First off to Topless isn't that hard of a name to say, right? 530 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Like or read? So I don't know. 531 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,640 But also like considering the main character was clearly named 532 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000 after creature designer Patrick Topless. 533 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Like, OK, well, you just made fun of his name repeatedly 534 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,200 through the movie. I I do wonder if that was a 535 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,840 thing behind the scenes where they like they someone had an 536 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240 issue and said that they made that a recurring joke, but. 537 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,200 That that that that actually kind of contract for me. 538 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760 I like that that. Like Roland just could not say 539 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,560 it right. Yeah, it's hard to believe that 540 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,200 you would just naturally fall on like, Oh yeah, this fucking 541 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,440 name's Impossible Guy. Yeah. 542 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,000 Right. So yeah, the the guy can't 543 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,160 pronounce his name, but the government man steps out and 544 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480 he's just like, you're being reassigned. 545 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,240 Actually, we have work for you today. 546 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Because that's how it works. You can be like researching 547 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,680 something and the government can just show up and say you work a 548 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840 different job now. Right. 549 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,560 So now they they cut to a hospital and there's a one of 550 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680 the Japanese men from the the fishing ship is like catatonic 551 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200 in the bed and they like shine a a light in his eyes. 552 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320 They like light a lighter in front of them and they're like, 553 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,120 what did you see? And he's like Godzilla. 554 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840 Godzilla, Gojira, But. I know, but. 555 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,720 That's a thing that you can do later in the movie, yeah. 556 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:43,000 So, but now we're in Panama and Doctor Tatopoulos is there and 557 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080 he's like, this isn't my field. You know, like, I don't know 558 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,520 what you're actually wanting me to figure out here, but like, I 559 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,920 saw you like bugs. I'm a biologist. 560 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,360 And they lead him into a giant footprint. 561 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400 And they're like, well, this is your sample, this giant 562 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,040 footprint. And then they they look at a 563 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,400 video that was conveniently shot of the Godzilla attack in French 564 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,240 Polynesia. Like as it was happening. 565 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Yeah, cameras. Sure, following the boat. 566 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,400 Yeah, yeah. In the middle of the ocean. 567 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,160 Yeah, it was like a buoy. You know, like everyone's like 568 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,400 live streaming these days. So you know you had a. 569 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280 Yeah, in the air. Yeah, he got a very tall booze 570 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,720 out at this point. It's like this is like a 571 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,960 precursor to Deadliest Catch, but it's Japanese, so we just 572 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,560 never really saw it over in the States. 573 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,400 Yeah. So now they cut to ATV Studio in 574 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,160 New York. And Audrey, one of our one of 575 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040 our main characters, is asking her boss about, like, some 576 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,920 career advancement, basically. And he's like, Oh yeah. 577 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,440 What? Principal Skinner? 578 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,200 It's fucking Harry Shearer and and it's you can't see him and 579 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800 not hear Principal Skinner. It's wild. 580 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,680 See, I was thinking Ken Brockman the whole time, but. 581 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,360 Well also, Ken. Brockman. 582 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,920 Right. We have to talk about how like 583 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 then his secretary is Nancy Cartwright and that Hank Azarius 584 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,560 is is Camera Guy. Oh my God, is his secretary 585 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,560 Nancy Cartwright. I didn't even notice. 586 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,520 But like, she's there. That plus Hank Azaria. 587 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,440 Yeah, you got the whole damn Simpsons cast. 588 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080 Well, Audrey's asking about, like, some career advancement 589 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,000 stuff, and he's just like, Oh yeah, well, maybe you should 590 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,640 have dinner with me and we can figure it out, you know? 591 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,320 It's the most blatant. Like, it's it's horrible. 592 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,640 And like First off, I guess good on you for like showing this in 593 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240 the 90s. But it is the most like cartoon, 594 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,720 you know when you have to take an HR training at work, when 595 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,520 they do it like once every year or two, and you have to watch 596 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,000 videos that are horribly acted, where people commit like 597 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,840 felonies, it's like that. What did he do wrong in this? 598 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Situation. What did he do right? 599 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,080 Was anything. Great thing. 600 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720 This was like just like that, a whole line. 601 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,080 But like I think a lot of this movie especially like this 602 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,760 element of it was just such to me. 603 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Like it felt like the 90s approach to everything like like 604 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,199 especially like women in media. Like this was the idea of like 605 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,639 trying to create an empowered. It has girl boss in it. 606 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Yeah, right. Which, like, I don't know. 607 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,719 I've never seen anyone, like, just have a lollipop in their 608 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,480 mouth the whole time. But like, that was just a thing 609 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,520 that everyone in the 90s did. This is the most 90s New York 610 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,679 ass movie I think I've ever seen in my life. 611 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,760 Yeah, and I'm going to get into it later, but there's a lot of 612 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,120 stuff in this movie. It's like, if you don't know 613 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,159 what New York is, it's not going to land for you at all. 614 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,080 This is. This is this is like, yeah, 615 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,000 it's, it's it's concentrated. They put like Friends and 616 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:51,080 Seinfeld into like a fucking old like distillery and and what 617 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,320 came out the other end got filtered through like a a like 618 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,480 sleeve of uranium and then that's what we got. 619 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Yeah, well, now we're cutting to Jamaica and our our, our doctor 620 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,520 friend is getting rizzed up by the paleontologist there because 621 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,440 mostly because they're really trying to set up the fact that, 622 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,680 like, he and Audrey used to be together because her her 623 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,160 pictures are in the back of his car and everything, but she she 624 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,120 tries to make a move and he's like, oh, she thinks I'm cute. 625 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,560 I mean, he is, but it's Ferris Bueller y'all like. 626 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,440 It is Ferris Bueller, I'm pretty sure like a year or two after 627 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,440 this movie. Doesn't he, like, hit A? 628 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,240 Child. Yeah, I think. 629 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,840 I think Matthew Broderick does kill a human being accidentally. 630 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,320 Not like hunting for sport, but he does accidentally kill a 631 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,000 human being. I'd still kiss him. 632 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,280 I don't know what to tell you. You're not a bad person for 633 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,720 accidentally committing vehicular manslaughter. 634 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640 That's. True. 635 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,240 So can I stop? I don't know all the details. 636 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,160 I'm. Pretty sure he was in Europe and 637 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560 driving on the wrong side of the road, but but like the fact 638 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,080 that. So don't add me if it turns out 639 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,920 he was like doing blow and. Derek the child murdered. 640 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000 The The thing is, no. No, no, I'm OK with the with the 641 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,720 child murder, just not the drugs. 642 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,440 OK, let's get it straight. Curie was like, oh, are you 643 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,600 watching the Matthew Broderick one? 644 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 And I was like, yeah, and she's like. 645 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,200 That was exactly what my wife said, too. 646 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,280 No context. He killed a child. 647 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:39,200 Turn, turn 180° and walk away. Yeah, well, they get to the 648 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,600 destroyed fishing ship, right? And he starts collecting 649 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,960 samples. And what are the what are the 650 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,600 Army big? The big Army guys there is 651 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,880 fighting with this guy that says he's from the insurance company 652 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,000 and he's clearly not from the insurance company. 653 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,920 John Renault, the first French person I ever became aware of. 654 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,760 I just thought all French people were. 655 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,720 White he's he's the archetypal Frenchman. 656 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,720 Did you see? Yeah. 657 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,240 Did you see the French name credits? 658 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,920 Yes. They're all I watched. 659 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160 I was watching the through the horrible credits saw Jean Luc, 660 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,080 Jean Claude, Jean Pierre and Jean. 661 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Felipe, that was like this. How did you find a way to be 662 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,120 racist against the French? Yeah. 663 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,360 So they cut to the United States now, and there's more fishing 664 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,920 ships, but this time they all get caught on something, and 665 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280 that something is Godzilla. And the ships get pulled under 666 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640 and up in the air. At this point, with all of his 667 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,440 samples and everything, you know, the doctors looking at all 668 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,640 the samples and they're all informed about these ships going 669 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,480 under. And Doctor Topless is like, 670 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,600 well, I think the radiation isn't an anomaly. 671 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,480 I think it's the clue in that Godzilla is a new creature, the 672 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320 first of its kind. Well, because they're also 673 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,240 arguing that like, they're like, oh, it's a dinosaur from the 674 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,280 Cretaceous and then they say it's an allosaur and I'm like, 675 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,720 you looked at the name allosaur, but you don't know what fucking 676 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,360 era it's from. Yeah, also Allosaurus. 677 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160 Famously not a marine animal guys like. 678 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,200 Right, exactly. Famously the smaller T Rex from 679 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,080 the from the period before the T Rex AKA the Jurassic period. 680 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,120 Yeah, again, dinosaur kid. Yeah. 681 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440 Yeah, but Charlie, you're right, the Polish paleontologist 682 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,360 strike. Again. 683 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,240 So we go back to Audrey now and she's in a diner and the news is 684 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,560 on about that fishing ship and doctor topless. 685 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,480 I'm just going to call him Nick from now on because his name's 686 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,360 Nico. But he goes by Nick, Nick's on 687 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,320 there. And Audrey's like, I was with 688 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,400 him in college and she like, recognizes him and she clearly 689 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,640 has some unresolved feelings. I. 690 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,240 Think she calls him this college sweetie or her college sweetie? 691 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,880 And it was. And I was just like something 692 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,080 like that. Weird way of saying it. 693 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400 Yeah. It's weirder when we find out 694 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,120 later, like, not that this is like plot important or anything, 695 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,480 but like later we find out that like, she like, he he like, 696 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,240 'cause she's all like, Oh yeah, he got away. 697 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,440 And it's like, yeah, he proposed to you and you said no and you 698 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,200 had no good reason. Yeah, you had no good reason to 699 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,000 do that other than like well. I'm going to New York. 700 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640 I'm going to make it. Yeah, she. 701 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040 She bought the shit out of me, like as a character. 702 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,520 Like, oh, so when you say later it's like this, he's not a good 703 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,880 female. We get the expedition dump, like 704 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,280 all up front and then, you know it doesn't matter, yeah. 705 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,000 Yeah. So we go to this fisherman, He's 706 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,800 like out at the pier and he's like, oh, I'm going to try to 707 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920 fish in the East River. And one of the guys and 708 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,840 everybody was like, oh, you're going to catch us a cold, huh? 709 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,040 Because it's the 90s and he does catch something and it's 710 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,080 Godzilla, and he goes running down the pier. 711 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,960 Like the first level in Sonic Adventure, All Godzilla destroys 712 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,800 the pier. Fine. 713 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,920 What a fantastic. Shot This is the shot that Sonic 714 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,800 Adventure is ripping off, not the other way around. 715 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,720 Yeah, yeah. What a fantastic fucking. 716 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,920 Shot good shots in this movie. This movie I'm going to go to 717 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,000 bat for the special effects in this movie and and not like 718 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:24,040 Godzilla himself yet but this is a very tricky like CGI Water is 719 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,040 hard, right? And they managed to like do a 720 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:34,440 pretty convincing like water swell composited in with like a 721 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,400 practical shot of a man running down a dock and that dock being 722 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,880 blown up by actual pyrotechnics, right. 723 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,800 Like, that's That's a real shot. Incredible work. 724 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,920 Yeah, yeah, you're right. And I mean, I wouldn't go to bat 725 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,520 for Godzilla itself, but the rest of it, yeah. 726 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,960 I'm going to go to Bat for Godzilla itself, sadly, but I 727 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,080 think just like we'll get there. Visually I really like the whole 728 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,680 set up to like that comes off this like like rain. 729 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,440 Like rain in New York is a good. Yes is a good look And like I 730 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,760 don't want to keep making like a Jurassic Park comparisons but 731 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,000 like the the just the the torrential downpour and I think 732 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,720 the way they like kind of frame everything like you said in and 733 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,320 you don't even get that. I don't think the full reveal 734 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,480 till later in the movie, but like everything from that dock 735 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,520 for the next like 5 or 10 minutes, I like a lot of it. 736 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,840 Visually, well, rain's a good way. 737 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,800 Rain and night are great ways to hide flaws, right? 738 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600 Like, for better and worse, we've become hyper aware of that 739 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,680 now, but it's not a thing people were thinking of the way in the 740 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,080 90s. By the way, none of us have 741 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,480 brought up that a lot of these shots are through a chain link 742 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,680 fence, which is yet another way to obscure and like kind of 743 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,760 allow you to filter detail a little bit. 744 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,560 Yeah, lots of texture. Sorry my mic died for a second 745 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,760 there. So the I do I do want to say 746 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,200 like we set up the rain for the entirety of the movie. 747 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,880 At this point, this becomes just a a overwhelming thing that does 748 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,600 hide a lot of special effects, but it is also just like Create 749 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,800 creates this like feeling that we're just underwater for the 750 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,520 entirety of it. Like, they're really into this 751 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,680 whole, like, Godzilla's a secret. 752 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,200 It's a super wet movie. Even the chunks of the movie 753 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,120 that take place like underground, which is a weird 754 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,040 amount of the movie, it's a it's like a very wet underground, you 755 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,880 know everything has that like damp, like shake the the rain 756 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,560 out of your boots kind of look through the movie and it's it's 757 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,480 a very intentional, atmospheric choice. 758 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,040 Yeah, so Godzilla makes landfall, and as one would 759 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,560 expect, a lot of chaos and Susan traffic. 760 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,920 He's just running through chomping on cars, basically. 761 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:48,480 The mayor, Mayor Ebert and. The least, the least, the the 762 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:54,120 most thinly. Veiled Is there a veil like his 763 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,600 assistant is named Jean. There's a thumbs down moment 764 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,280 later in the movie, like there's no veil. 765 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,560 I I actually grew up watching Ebert and Roper. 766 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,200 But I I think like the first time I watched this I didn't 767 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920 really appreciate you know the significance of Roger Ebert and 768 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,040 like the critic industry and I was obviously didn't know the 769 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,920 history. But like every time we watch 770 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,240 this I'm just astounded at like it's not just a one off joke. 771 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,280 It's like there throughout the whole movie. 772 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440 Yeah, no, this is. This is basically because Ebert 773 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,920 disliked Emerich's earlier movies, right, Right. 774 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000 Like that's that's what this is. It's just like we're going to 775 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,960 make him out to be a a a fat candy eating buffoon, you know, 776 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:41,080 as as a take that to not liking my movies and and like it's 777 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,760 funny though because like the character would be funny if you 778 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,280 didn't know who Roger Ebert was, right? 779 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,320 And you didn't know about the beat when I was a kid. 780 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,360 So then it's just like a funny weird, like he's a Simpsons 781 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,840 character, basically. Yeah. 782 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,280 So. Setting up what seemed like an 783 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,000 improbable devotion to getting everyone back at at back into 784 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,800 the city and back to work. And yet we found out in the real 785 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,480 world. Very true. 786 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:13,400 Yeah, fuck. Well, he's giving his speech at 787 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200 City Hall. Godzilla crashes his speech and 788 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,840 a lot of people die. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, there's a 789 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,920 body. Count destroying. 790 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,600 Yeah, like, I really didn't. Godzilla causes like several 9 791 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,800 elevens in this movie. Yeah, well, which they compare 792 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,720 to. They they say this is the worst 793 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,840 destruction since the World Trade Center bombing which they. 794 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,760 Mean 90. Right. 795 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,000 They mean 93 because this is. Obviously, three years before 796 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,200 World Trade Center bombing. Yeah, they had two. 797 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,560 When that line drops, you're like oh and then you're like oh 798 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,640 wait and. Movie moments that don't age 799 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,240 well, but actually do, because again, Godzilla causes several 800 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,840 911's worth of damage. Right. 801 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,480 And The thing is, this movie came out three years before 9/11 802 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,000 and thus, like if this had come out, then the, like, the vibe of 803 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,600 New York destruction would be very different. 804 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,120 But in this scenario, they're like, no, no, no, we'd we'd 805 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,800 bounce back immediately. We would, we would forget. 806 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,680 Real move, actually. Seemed it seemed to me like the 807 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,600 the Godzilla destruction was actually like minor compared, 808 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,640 like the shots that's now owed to me were like the military. 809 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,600 Accident. Oh, it gets worse. 810 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040 Laser. Building or bombing Madison 811 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,120 Square. Right. 812 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,360 Jesus. But like, yeah, you got like 813 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,920 entire skyscrapers that Godzilla has, like, walked a hole 814 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,000 through, you know? Right. 815 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:39,240 I will say too that like one of the things I do really like 816 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,040 because obviously the model for Godzilla doesn't hold up super 817 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,200 great, right? We haven't worked out some of 818 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,200 the like really good like shading and like reflectivity 819 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,720 and and and like while they're lighting is pretty good, like 820 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,480 it, it obviously doesn't look super realistic. 821 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,800 Where I do want to give them a lot of credit is that they made 822 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,720 it interact with the environment as much as possible in tiny 823 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,320 ways. The way it's footsteps affect 824 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,640 like the water on the street where it steps right when it 825 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,840 goes around a corner in the tail flicks like lightly into the 826 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,320 side of a building and leaves like a carve. 827 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,240 It's it's minor details, not stuff that they like built the 828 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,080 shot around, but they made sure to add a ton of these tiny 829 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,200 little side details in that you may not even really be paying 830 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,000 attention to. And it ultimately sells the 831 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,600 physicality of Godzilla way better than a lot of other CGI 832 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,080 creatures of the time and even much later. 833 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160 The joke I made is he looks like a sci-fi movie like original 834 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,040 movie like quality model by like today's standards. 835 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,320 But you'd never see like a Sci-fi Channel movie like 836 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,840 creature look that good and interact that well with the 837 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,080 environment and have that much weight and presence so. 838 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,280 Yeah, the attention to detail. Was still on the air at that 839 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,280 time and like that's the quality stuff we were getting on team. 840 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,400 Yeah, I mean like it. It's certainly the the thing 841 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,640 about this team like they are very good at at doing the, the 842 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:10,400 extra work to make the technology that they're pushing 843 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,600 fit better. Like they've always been pushing 844 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,440 CG in movies that previously would have just been model work. 845 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,840 And you can see all the extra attention to detail they're 846 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,200 putting in all throughout to make it be as visually 847 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,680 impressive, because that's what they're selling. 848 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200 They're selling the spectacle of this movie when it hits 849 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,080 theaters, not the spectacle of this movie, what, 27 years 850 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,480 later. Wow, don't hurt me like that. 851 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,640 You had 2626 years. 26 years later, yeah. 852 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,000 Wow, I got. I took one off that number. 853 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,800 That's so much better. So this is actually the scene 854 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,200 where Audrey says that Nick asked her to marry him. 855 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,160 OK, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't sure, but I actually 856 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,080 made a note about it. Godzilla wonders by Well, 857 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,440 they're all talking. And honestly, like Victor who 858 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,440 goes by Animal in the movie. Hank Azaria. 859 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,400 He's my favorite. Character. 860 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,240 He's the best character in this. Movie He's the best character. 861 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,960 In this movie. Hank Azaria just has charisma. 862 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,040 Like naturally. Like one, this sequence that's 863 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,960 about to happen is probably my favorite sequence in the movie 864 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,600 because it's just cool. And like, it's fun and it's also 865 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,680 the trailer shot and like, those are all things that are great 866 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,360 about it. But also just Hank Azaria is so 867 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,000 great. Like like he and his wife have a 868 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,280 wonderful relationship in this movie that is terrible. 869 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,640 Like they this is where we get into some of the slurs that get 870 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,440 dropped. But but it's it feels real. 871 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,000 It feels fun. She clearly cares about people 872 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,680 because she brings them all into their house later on. 873 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,680 Like they both are like constantly doing the right 874 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,320 thing, even though they're constantly saying nice guys 875 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,160 finish last. I love their dynamic. 876 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,160 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because because 877 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,520 Godzilla wanders by and animal goes Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 878 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:03,600 He is lodge and and he tries to get a shot of it with his camera 879 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,520 and almost dies. He almost gets crushed. 880 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,120 He's right between the toesies, Yeah, he like. 881 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,880 Runs out there's like this whole like like extended sequence of 882 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,120 him getting the the camera like getting the the the tape into 883 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,360 the camera like like this whole like massive pantomiming of like 884 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,840 inserting it and closing it. Yeah, he's like sitting here 885 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,640 frantically, like he's got the tape in, he's trying to shut the 886 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,720 thing. He's trying to put you trying 887 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,440 to. And then he like, finally, right 888 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,520 before he like, looks down and does the very gentle casual poke 889 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,520 press. And it works like great 890 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,320 slapstick physical comedy. Again, Hank Azaria can sell 891 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,160 this. Yeah, so the military rallies a 892 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,400 response because Godzilla's here now, but somehow they lose 893 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,640 Godzilla. And I say somehow, but I mean 894 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880 Godzilla's not as tall as some of the buildings around when he 895 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,880 crouches. Down I like. 896 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,560 This is This is one of my key gripes about this movie. 897 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,720 OK, I do like losing Godzilla in the maze that is New York City, 898 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,880 right? A lot of this works as like the 899 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,240 couple of sequences that are like this, but those helicopters 900 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:14,600 can fly, so God damn high y'all They could just go up well above 901 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,040 the city and look down like you don't have to be in the maze. 902 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:23,080 Those, those, those Apaches can fly like, I don't remember what 903 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200 the ceiling is, but they can go so goddamned high. 904 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,080 Y'all. Even if they can't go higher 905 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,680 than every building, like even if that. 906 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,480 Like even if their ceiling is is lower than like say the Empire 907 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,720 State Building or the Chrysler Building. 908 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,040 Like like New York, yes is a a series of towers, but it is less 909 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,120 so than it is being sold as here. 910 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,840 Like there are way more buildings that are just not that 911 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,120 tall like. It also works well within like 912 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,600 the time period better than it would today because like you 913 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,160 know, the lack of social media and. 914 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,840 Oh yeah, absolutely, probably. And stuff like that, like. 915 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,480 Yeah. But it like, you wouldn't have 916 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,760 that, like, you know, it'd be all like, you know, you 917 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,680 basically be live tweeting like where it is today, right? 918 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,680 But right. It's a lot. 919 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,840 It's a lot more believable in that time that like you wouldn't 920 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,280 have a real time feed like you said, aside from like someone 921 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,960 reporting from a helicopter. Where he might. 922 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,520 So there's. A direct through line between 923 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,440 this and Cloverfield. And then like, there's stuff 924 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,960 that would come after it, you know for sure. 925 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200 Like what? Yeah, that that level of social 926 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,040 media awareness. So I just fact checked. 927 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,240 So the Empire State Building, right, as an example, about 1200 928 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,120 feet tall, it's like 1250 something. 929 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,080 OK. The maximum altitude on an 930 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,200 Apache helicopter, which is what they're using in in the movie is 931 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,040 20,000 feet. So like 15 Empire State 932 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,600 Buildings? High Wow. 933 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,400 Yeah. Yeah, But again, like most 934 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,960 people don't know that. But it's it's very like, it's 935 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,920 one of those things where if you know, you're like, but so I did. 936 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,480 I'm turning my brain off. I'm taking this movie for what 937 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,840 it is presenting me. These are fun sequences with the 938 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,120 helicopters being stuck in the New York City maze. 939 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,000 Yeah. What this movie is presenting to 940 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,360 you is a mythological version of New York, with impossibly tall 941 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,640 buildings and places that are held with a religious 942 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,360 significance to eager you to be destroyed. 943 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,280 And sewer systems that are so big around that Godzilla can 944 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,880 move through them. And I actually appreciate that. 945 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160 Look, I'm a Batman and Robin defender. 946 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,600 I love big, stupid mythological presentations of cities like. 947 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,800 Yeah, and like thematically like this, this chase sequence is the 948 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,120 equivalent of the Will Smith dogfight in in Independence Day. 949 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,160 Like the one for sure. Yeah, uses the parachute, which 950 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,120 I think this is, you know, starting to get into the the 951 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,080 issue of like, well, the cast is actually too small in this movie 952 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,600 for what they are, for, for for how big their parts are. 953 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:53,760 The cast is too small, yeah. Yeah, so Audrey tries to 954 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,160 leverage knowing Nick to, like, be like, hey, I know a guy on 955 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,600 the inside. I can get this story. 956 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,960 And you know, her boss continues to be a pig instead. 957 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,920 The the city, meanwhile, is still in chaos. 958 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,320 Traffic is slowed. There's buildings being looted. 959 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,000 Now. The mayor decides he's going to 960 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,800 make an appearance up with, like, the military and 961 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,040 everything. And our our French insurance man 962 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,240 shows up and he bugs the mayor's collar. 963 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,000 And this is this is a special tool that'll help us ladle. 964 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:29,920 Audrey, meanwhile, steals her boss's badge. 965 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,760 Just trying to, you know, get somewhere, actually do something 966 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,760 with her career. She's girl bossing. 967 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,560 Stealing your boss's press badge is girl bossing. 968 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,560 To be clear, some of her later choices and not so much, but 969 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,120 stealing, stealing pig bosses press badge and altering it to 970 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,280 be hers? That's certified girl boss move. 971 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,040 Yeah, yeah. The mayor shows up to like the 972 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,520 the military command center and they they all end up butting 973 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,080 heads because the mayor's like, I don't care about any of this. 974 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,280 Basically it's an election year but all this arguing's going on 975 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,800 like the the French people are spying on them on everything 976 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,360 going on. We don't know who they are quite 977 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,120 yet. They're just. 978 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,400 They're in a very old UPS truck, which I I was, I got floored. 979 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,720 Seeing a a 90s UPS truck, I was like holy shit. 980 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,800 Yeah, Godzilla is in the subway system now, which you can 981 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,040 totally fit in. We also shot out shout out the 982 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,120 the French guy bringing back coffees for everybody and 983 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,560 handing A doughnut and coffee to Jean Reno's character. 984 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,520 No croissant. No croissant. 985 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,080 No, I get this, this shitty fucking doughnut. 986 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,040 And what is this swill you call coffee and like? 987 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,880 You call this coffee? I call this. 988 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,800 American. Yeah, well. 989 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,800 Second best thing, frankly, in this movie after Animal is the 990 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,960 running coffee joke. Yes, yes. 991 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,880 Because here's the thing. I think it's intended to be 992 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,000 snobbish. Like, oh, you don't like 993 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,720 American coffee, but like bodega coffee sucks. 994 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,520 Y'all. Like, I'm going to say that I 995 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,720 don't care about New York City water. 996 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,080 Like bodega bodega drip coffee is not that good. 997 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,680 Y'all. Yeah, I don't know if it's 998 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,440 necessarily snobbish. They they're just making fun of 999 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,880 American coffee. Which considering this is Roland 1000 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,400 Emmerich who is German I believe. 1001 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,360 Really. I I guess. 1002 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,120 See. I guess it's it's easy to read 1003 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,360 it either way. Right? 1004 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,600 Where it's read is like, look at these silly Frenchmen being so 1005 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:27,960 big. Yeah. 1006 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,120 Yeah. Well, I was going to say the 1007 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,520 Germans don't like the fucking French. 1008 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:31,960 Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. Like, no. 1009 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,600 But also, like, do they like the American coffee? 1010 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,120 Like, it could be a scenario of like, Yep, American coffee is 1011 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,400 terrible. And Yep, the French people are 1012 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,320 going to be the ones that would say something about it, yeah. 1013 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,120 I'll tell you this, I've. Never heard of German coffee? 1014 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,720 Well, they can import it from France very easily, yeah. 1015 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,440 That's true. And Italy, like the all 1016 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,120 directions are great. Yeah, they're good. 1017 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,240 Yeah, Nick says they should draw Godzilla out with food. 1018 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:56,680 Because, I mean, it's an animal, right? 1019 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,960 Probably just wants food. So the military does that. 1020 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,320 They they pull out a. Bunch of Germans don't have 1021 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,240 coffee because they just take the cream. 1022 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:14,200 Oh, there we go. You're going to insert the drum 1023 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,000 dish, right? That's that's it. 1024 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,400 I'm sorry. I'm sorry to derail. 1025 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,520 So sorry, Charlotte. You were. 1026 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,320 It's. A It's a they they like. 1027 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,640 They like white, not black. It's a Nazi thing. 1028 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880 I'm making love Germans. Yeah. 1029 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,360 So no, I just didn't understand that. 1030 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,840 So Charlotte, you were talking about a lot of? 1031 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,560 Fish Yeah, yeah. They have a lot of fish in dump 1032 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,520 trucks that they dump in a big fish pile. 1033 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,600 It's a lot of fish. They mentioned that several 1034 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,880 times, but they they're like we need this fish smell to 1035 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,560 permeate. So we got to unseal these 1036 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,240 manholes, and one of the manholes happens to be the One, 1037 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,400 and it's the one that Nick Unseals happens to be the one 1038 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,560 that Godzilla's like right under and Godzilla rips through the 1039 00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,960 concrete. Can I? 1040 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,000 Can I this is this is like 5 seconds backward. 1041 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,040 There is a shot as they're setting up the giant fish pile 1042 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:14,440 where you get a shot of like 7 dump trucks, presumably all full 1043 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,960 of fish like in a convoy together. 1044 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,640 And then you get a shot of like 37 helicopters all on frame at 1045 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,680 once flying like a like towards the camera kind of above like 1046 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,040 from a ground like perspective. And it's just a comical number 1047 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,360 of helicopters. And I just had this real it was 1048 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,800 I I disassociated for a moment. It was very like end of Call of 1049 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,840 Duty Black Ops, right of just like the amount of America 1050 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,680 you're trying to cram on screen at once is startling to me. 1051 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,480 We did not need 11 dump trucks full of fish in that shot to 1052 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,160 sell the idea, and we sure didn't need the several dozen 1053 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,760 helicopters on frame simultaneously. 1054 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,000 They love having lots of helicopters in shots in several 1055 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,640 spots where I'm like one, too narrow of a space for that many 1056 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,960 helicopters. But two, I don't think actually 1057 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,280 helicopters can be that close to each other without getting 1058 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,920 disrupted. Like there, there's one spot 1059 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,520 later that that it's like maybe 15 rushed through and it's like, 1060 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,880 I don't think that works. Like 15 of them in the same New 1061 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,840 York City block. Like. 1062 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,320 I don't think that works for a whole bunch of reasons I don't 1063 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,080 think I like. And one of those is just human 1064 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,840 pilots. I don't. 1065 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,880 I. Just don't think of it. 1066 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,200 Advance war. Shit. 1067 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,080 Are you trying to sell me on here? 1068 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,640 So Godzilla bursts up through the ground and Nick like, goes 1069 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,800 to take a picture of it. And I mean, Godzilla's not being 1070 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,640 violent at all, you know? Can we eat some fish? 1071 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,840 And just wants to fish bee lines towards these fish I. 1072 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,240 Like fish, I get it. Yeah, Godzilla's tail does swipe 1073 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,440 some some of the communication lines they had up. 1074 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840 So the military's like, oh we lost calms time to fire and they 1075 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:05,120 start firing at it and it it uses some non not atomic breath, 1076 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,520 just like fire breath. Basically, it's it's more like 1077 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,640 it's breath catches on fire when it sparks. 1078 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,280 He's got a flammable burp, which makes Godzilla about as 1079 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,400 dangerous as John Belushi. Maybe a little bit less, but 1080 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,720 yeah, I I said that as like a throwback that they do at a 1081 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,840 couple of points because it's twice where it happens, where 1082 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,120 he's roaring or they're roaring and like all the like the the 1083 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,400 cars like slam into each other and that's when the fireball 1084 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,960 occurs. Yeah, that's clearly they're 1085 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,800 like naturalistic. We don't want to have like a 1086 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,040 like a a ray of atomic fire, but we can make its breath be like 1087 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,360 flammable if it catches. Yeah. 1088 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,720 It's a pretty good looking. Fireball It's great visually. 1089 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,480 Yeah, so they they try to lock on the Godzilla with their 1090 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,680 helicopters, but they're not able to do that because 1091 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,360 allegedly Godzilla is colder than the buildings around it. 1092 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,160 Which dumb? That dumb. 1093 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160 Yeah, I sure. I get some head cannon scenario 1094 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,960 that could allow for it where like the buildings are still 1095 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,560 pretty warm but like God damn it like. 1096 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,520 I'm pretty sure most missiles are not guided by heat. 1097 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,880 I mean, like, I know that's a thing, but like that, that's not 1098 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,880 how how a helicopter shoots a missile at another helicopter. 1099 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,640 So I don't know. They needed a reason. 1100 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,360 I I know it's super easy to be like Oh yeah he's exothermic and 1101 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,840 but like that also doesn't fully make sense and they. 1102 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,160 He's way too big to be cold, I mean. 1103 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,880 Right, exactly. Like even if he is exothermic, 1104 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,960 like he would have to have so much heat built up just to be 1105 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,720 able to be like fully functioning. 1106 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,240 Let alone the fact that if we're going off of like a more 1107 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,120 dinosaur type design, it would be endothermic and then we get 1108 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,720 into Godzilla where it would be radioactive. 1109 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,240 Yeah. Right, right. 1110 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,200 But sure, sure, heat seeking missiles don't work on them, OK? 1111 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,680 But yeah, the helicopters cause as much damage to New York City 1112 01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,320 as Godzilla does because they just keep shooting missiles at 1113 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,640 skyscrapers. Which at least they call. 1114 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,480 It they do bring that up at least, yeah. 1115 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,240 They blow up the Chrysler Building. 1116 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,960 Yeah, yeah. The military continues to think 1117 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,200 that they've got it taken care of, but they don't. 1118 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,920 They they end up either chased off or dead. 1119 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,120 Is this the the, the, the, the sequence? 1120 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,640 I'm pretty sure it is worth At one point there's a couple 1121 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,320 helicopters looking at like a hole in a building, like, oh, 1122 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,600 he's definitely in there. And then Godzilla like fucking 1123 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,800 Friday the 13th like burst through the building. 1124 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:39,840 So good. So now we cut back to to Nick 1125 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,400 and he goes into this little drug store and buys a bunch of 1126 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,880 pregnancy tests. And we know that it's because of 1127 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,560 the bloody goop that he found on the ground. 1128 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,520 But Audrey catches him buying these pregnancy tests and he's 1129 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,680 like, oh, you must have quite the harem and just she doesn't 1130 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,240 question it again because like, what if he did? 1131 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,640 I don't know. But. 1132 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,000 Surprisingly progressive for its time, we we're OK with 1133 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,320 polyamory. Sure, they make up because he's 1134 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,920 like, you know what, I guess it has been eight years. 1135 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,160 I'll give you a shot. Sure. 1136 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,120 And Nick uses the pregnancy test that he buys to determine that 1137 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,000 Godzilla is pregnant and must reproduce asexually. 1138 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,720 I don't know that you can determine that something can 1139 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,760 produce asexually, just inherently that way. 1140 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,920 I mean, I think this is an assumption you make from the 1141 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,200 fact that there's only one of these fucking things that you've 1142 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,000 seen, but that they know that's true, that they know of. 1143 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,280 But, but the the counterpoint on this one is that parthenogenesis 1144 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,680 which is the type of asexual reproduction that they're going 1145 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,040 through is actually a thing that like lizards are known to 1146 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,720 demonstrate. So like that component of it, if 1147 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,480 we're going off of like their lizards that have been exposed 1148 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,320 to radiation, that one makes the most sense for it all. 1149 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,360 And it would be and it, you know, it's clearly how it 1150 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,520 actually functions in this movie. 1151 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,320 It's one. It's one of the less. 1152 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,240 Far out ideas. It's definitely a a note that 1153 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,360 they put in there that they probably had a script note of 1154 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,720 like we'll come back to this and expand on at some point and 1155 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,440 never did. Yeah. 1156 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,280 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Now he's like 1157 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,760 Godzilla's here to nest. That's why Godzilla's doing all 1158 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,040 this. And he goes to inform people of 1159 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,000 this and Audrey finds all the pictures of them together and 1160 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,400 gets all sentimental, but then grabs a tape off off of the 1161 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,240 table that magically has footage of the guy in the hospital that 1162 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,120 was catatonic. How do they have footage of the 1163 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,920 guy in the hospital but not know about Jean Reno, who is the one 1164 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,440 there with the lighter in his face? 1165 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,800 I'm wondering if the French sent some footage, like some Intel 1166 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,760 over to the Americans, but maybe not all of it. 1167 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,240 Like maybe, like weren't. I don't know. 1168 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,160 We don't know how buddy, buddy. Some of them are in this whole. 1169 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,440 Scenario. So she's like, oh, let's make 1170 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,200 up, but also let me fucking steal your top secret classified 1171 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,640 tapes from your tent. Right, Yeah. 1172 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,200 No. She takes the tape, she goes and 1173 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,720 she, like, runs that information. 1174 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,520 On that certifiably not a girl boss move. 1175 01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,960 Nico Tatopolis has done nothing wrong. 1176 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:07,040 Right, so Nick tells everyone that Godzilla's pregnant and is 1177 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,400 probably taking fish to it's young. 1178 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,840 Like they're probably going to hatch soon. 1179 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,680 Like you don't have time to kill Godzilla and then find the nest. 1180 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,720 You need to find the nest now. And while they're all discussing 1181 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,560 this, Audrey's stolen footage gets put up, put up on the TV. 1182 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,320 And so the military gets really mad at Nick because he was the 1183 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,760 leak, kind of, and he gets taken off the project, but the 1184 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,680 friendship taking an interest in him. 1185 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,040 So he, he's going to catch a taxi out of there and Audrey 1186 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,120 shows up and is like, I'm sorry, I'm not really a reporter and I 1187 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,600 I just, I needed to save my career. 1188 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,240 That's why I stole all your work and got you fired by the 1189 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,200 government and probably blacklisted. 1190 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,880 And in real life, probably fucking court martialed or 1191 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,320 something. Probably, yeah. 1192 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,200 Can you be court martialed if you're a civilian? 1193 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,240 I don't know how that shit works. 1194 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,800 Yeah. I mean, if you're on a military 1195 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,320 project, probably he's probably considered. 1196 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,920 Military they They put you in Guantanamo Bay one way or 1197 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,960 another. Yeah. 1198 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,440 At least that gets him away from that, from that other scientist 1199 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,560 who was like sexually harassing him throughout the movie. 1200 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,840 Yeah, true. I thought she was. 1201 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,120 But luckily that the. I'm not saying that it wasn't 1202 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,440 like like, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have been. 1203 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,320 That would have been regular flirting if it was me, but. 1204 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,800 Yeah, but like, Nick just seems really oblivious to all of it. 1205 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,040 He just wants to look at animals, you know? 1206 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,880 Yeah, asexual king. True, but luckily for Nick, that 1207 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,960 taxi that he got into wasn't really a taxi. 1208 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,680 It was driven by Philippe, our French Secret Service man who's 1209 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,520 been figuring all this out for him. 1210 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,680 And he tells Nick, like, hey, the military is not going to 1211 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,800 actually look for this nest. They've just decided to 1212 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,640 disregard everything you've said for reasons. 1213 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,440 So we want your help to go track down the nest because you're the 1214 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,880 only one that wants to other than us. 1215 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,360 And so they they are heading off to that warehouse and Animal 1216 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,880 actually tracks them down because he's trying to, I guess, 1217 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,240 make things better between Nick and Audrey. 1218 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,440 But he tracks him to the warehouse and overhears what's 1219 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:20,080 going on and heads out from there and he heads home. 1220 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,640 And that's when like his wife has all the all the people in 1221 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,160 the surrounding neighborhood, like in their house to to be 1222 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,800 safe. And he goes and he talks to 1223 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,080 Audrey and she's crying and watching TV. 1224 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,360 The military is like covering up what she revealed to everybody. 1225 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,600 So even after all the the horrible things that she did, 1226 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:39,720 it's not even going to pay off for her. 1227 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,240 I think it covered up. But Animal manages to convince 1228 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,760 her that they should follow Nick. 1229 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,960 And I wrote and of the French, but I mean Philippe to the nest 1230 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,440 to show the world that Nick was actually right. 1231 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,600 And there is a nest down there that they should have taken into 1232 01:06:54,600 --> 01:07:00,720 consideration. So they they all get ready to 1233 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,680 go, and they're about to head through like military 1234 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,840 checkpoints to get to where the nest should be. 1235 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,800 And there's this scene where Philippe passes chewing gum to 1236 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,040 everybody. Because they've got. 1237 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,760 A and Nick is like, why are you all so they? 1238 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:15,800 Just all eat the shit out of some. 1239 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,400 Gum. This is why I think it's as much 1240 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,360 making fun of Americans as it was making fun of the French 1241 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,240 You're. Probably right, You're probably 1242 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,320 right. Do Do Americans chew a lot of 1243 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,920 gum? Well, but it's like the red solo 1244 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,720 cup thing. Like maybe they just, like, see 1245 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,720 the advertisements and they're like, yeah, Americans and their 1246 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,480 fucking gum instead of smoking cigarettes. 1247 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,400 I think there was a lot of that going on in movies and stuff in 1248 01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,280 the 90s. You know, if it was a tough guy, 1249 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,880 he'd be chewing. On it's also clearly, like meant 1250 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,360 to be an outdated stereotype that like, is pulled for media 1251 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,840 because when when he has to speak up, he speaks in like a 1252 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,040 bad Elvis impersonation and like mentions like, yeah, I I know 1253 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,440 how to speak like an American because I'll I'll fucking love 1254 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,720 Elvis movies like. Right. 1255 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,560 I did see this movie with my stepdad, who was probably the 1256 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,960 target audience for that joke. It's about 50 so. 1257 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,120 Fair enough, but yeah, that was my next note, was the oldest 1258 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,080 impression. They get another bunch of fish 1259 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,520 together for Godzilla, though, because they're expecting to be 1260 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:22,439 able to do the same trick twice. Godzilla tears into the tunnel 1261 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,200 that like Nick and them are all in and Audrey and an animal are 1262 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,800 tracking them like down in the sewer system in the subway slash 1263 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,319 sewer system. And Godzilla leaves the subway 1264 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:41,040 and goes up and like basically stares down an entire platoon 1265 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,399 and then looks at the fish and then looks back at the platoon 1266 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,520 and is like, no, I know what's happening here and I'm not doing 1267 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,760 it. And like, leaves and they start 1268 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,960 firing at it, which doesn't do anything again. 1269 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,439 But Godzilla ends up diving into the waters nearby. 1270 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,520 And the military brings submarines into like the Bay 1271 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,960 next to Manhattan and just start shooting it. 1272 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,720 And it ends up like leading missiles into other submarines. 1273 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,080 Like it does some, I don't think it meant to do that, but like 1274 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,479 kind of cool if it did. But Godzilla ends up bumping up 1275 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,560 against like, the the side of the the island. 1276 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,080 And some torpedoes hit it. And they're like, all right, we 1277 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,120 killed it. Don't confirm, don't find the 1278 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,399 body, don't worry about. It we've lost visual, therefore 1279 01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,439 we won. Right. 1280 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,080 But while this is going on, Nick and everyone makes it to the 1281 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,760 nest and this is where animal goes, Oh my God, he trashed the 1282 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,160 garden. Now I'm mad because they 1283 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,040 Godzilla destroyed Madison Square Gardens. 1284 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,720 Like that's what I'm talking about. 1285 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,880 Where it's just like this is like a religious significance to 1286 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,720 this place like. Which fun fact, Madison Square 1287 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,520 Garden isn't in Madison Square because it's the third or fourth 1288 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:57,760 version of Madison Square Garden. 1289 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,920 Like, it's not like the spot where like Marilyn Monroe like 1290 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,320 sang because that's a different location in the city. 1291 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,200 Like Madison Square Garden has moved multiple times. 1292 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,520 Did it get blown up? Yeah. 1293 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,280 Well, yeah, the the, the, the Kaiju attack of 1955 that we 1294 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,760 don't really talk about. Well, they they go up into the 1295 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,760 gardens and everything is eggs. And the scene where he's like, 1296 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,720 oh, there's three eggs here and they zoom out and there's like 1297 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,720 200 eggs. It's like, how did you miss the 1298 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:27,560 rest of the eggs? Well. 1299 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,560 The camera was zoomed. In what are you talking about? 1300 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,880 All right, sorry. So they don't they don't even 1301 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,760 have enough time to place their their plastic explosives that 1302 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,360 they don't have enough of before everything starts to hatch. 1303 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,320 Because Nick was right. They're going to hatch now and 1304 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,120 all the baby Godzilla's start coming out. 1305 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,840 And unfortunately our crew here smells like fish. 1306 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,520 So they're all getting chased by hatchlings. 1307 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,760 Now all of a sudden, they're all running out. 1308 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,000 Which are like. The implicate the implication 1309 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,120 being like if they didn't smell like fish, they would just leave 1310 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,280 them alone. Which I don't buy. 1311 01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,920 Yeah, buddy, I hate to break it to you. 1312 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,520 Those things would eat people anyway. 1313 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,240 Yeah, especially I like. The way hatch. 1314 01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:06,480 Because they do establish that there's they run out of food 1315 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,400 very quickly and they start eating like all the popcorn 1316 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,880 that's in the building and like they they start going on after 1317 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,920 anything that's edible after first wiping out all the fish. 1318 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,760 Yeah, I do like that they hatch as fully grown and functional 1319 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,640 velociraptors from Jurassic Park. 1320 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,840 Yeah, I was like I didn't get mentioned it earlier, but like I 1321 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,360 actually kind of don't. I, I like the main Godzilla 1322 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,560 design. Like, I think it's AII just 1323 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,520 think it's like kind of iconic in its own way. 1324 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,240 You know, it's different. But like and it's it's not 1325 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,760 necessarily derivative. Like there is a bit of like the 1326 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,400 like amphibious element there and like the snow and stuff like 1327 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,720 that, like with some of the classic like Godzilla scales. 1328 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,040 But these were like even like there's a couple shots of like 1329 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,800 the Baby Godzilla's where like one of them snaps at the other 1330 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,240 one. And like the animation rig looks 1331 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,560 so close to like, the way the Raptors interact at the end of 1332 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,160 Jurassic Park is like, okay. This is where I'll buy that 1333 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,680 comparison. Not to mention that this is 1334 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,680 where the CGI is like way worse, because you're dealing with so 1335 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,400 many of them that they don't do all the, like the extra details 1336 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,680 to make it look really good. And one area is that they make 1337 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,080 like you can see the the mouths really clearly and like there's 1338 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,680 a lot of spots where it just like looks like smooth CG. 1339 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,560 Yeah. Yeah, I'm also pretty sure that 1340 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,880 when they put like 200 of them on screen, there's a bunch of 1341 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,080 like reuse. Oh, I guarantee you, same time 1342 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,480 they are not animating that entire crowd. 1343 01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:32,720 They're copy pasting and compositing. 1344 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,720 And the same thing like the the practical ones. 1345 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,000 It seems like they just threw five of them together, but like 1346 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,240 there wasn't a lot of effort put into like how they move. 1347 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,240 Yeah, so they're escaping and they they go through different 1348 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,680 parts of Madison Square Gardens and they end up like in the 1349 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,360 shower room and everything and animals like, whoa, this is 1350 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,800 where the Knicks, like, showered and everything. 1351 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,920 He's very excited to be. There as they're like trying to 1352 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,240 kick down the door, which is like that's that is interesting 1353 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,120 because if the only thing is the smell, like I feel like the 1354 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,040 chlorine smell by itself would kind of wipe out the fish smell. 1355 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,440 And then if it's only the fish smell that's driving them, like 1356 01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,760 just get in the water at that pool and just like kind of float 1357 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,640 with just your head, like no one's going to be chasing you 1358 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,560 then. Right. 1359 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,120 Well, Nick tries to contact the military first with the cell 1360 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,000 phone, doesn't get through, then with the pay phone, Remember 1361 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,000 those kids? And he can't get through again 1362 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,600 because all of the lines are tied up. 1363 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,480 So, you know, Philippe's like, all right, we got to figure 1364 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,320 something out here. And some of the, the other 1365 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,920 Secret Service, French Secret Service people come around and 1366 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,760 Philippe's like, where's Jean Philippe and Jean Pierre? 1367 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:45,680 And like, Oh my God, they didn't make So Audrey and Animal end up 1368 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,000 finding their way above some of the roof panels and they're 1369 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,560 calling through there now. Meanwhile, Nick is getting 1370 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,840 pincer attacked by these hatchlings and he managed to get 1371 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,600 up into this elevator and like he goes up a floor and that's 1372 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,560 when it shows like the dinosaurs are eating. 1373 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,000 It's all the popcorn, yeah. Popcorn I. 1374 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,280 Like that shot, though. It is a good shot there, yeah. 1375 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,760 It's a good shot. That's a good shot as they look 1376 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,080 at him. Like, it's a great look. 1377 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,720 Here's the When this movie leans into like we are, we are putting 1378 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,320 little moments of slapstick humor in, like it does work. 1379 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,840 Because the tone of this movie is not that serious. 1380 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,920 Right. So eventually the elevator takes 1381 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,240 it back up to Philippe and they start talking and then Audrey 1382 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,400 and Animal end up falling out of the the panels in the ceiling. 1383 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,840 And Audrey's like, wait, I have an idea. 1384 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,120 And it turns out there's a broadcast room nearby because 1385 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,400 they cover the games from there at the news station. 1386 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,760 So they go in there and they get set up to to broadcast from 1387 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,360 there and they end up sending a message back to the news 1388 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,560 station. And this guy, his name's Ed, 1389 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,320 who's running the the show there at the moment. 1390 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,840 At first he's like, I'm not switching you on to the TV. 1391 01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:56,880 But then they, they cut over to the 200 reuse animation 1392 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:01,040 dinosaurs and he's like, oh, OK, I'm going to put you on the TV. 1393 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,080 But that they're able to broadcast that that Nick was 1394 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,080 right and that there are hatchlings and they're going to 1395 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,040 very quickly propagate if they don't stop them because each one 1396 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,040 of those 200 hatchlings can make another 200. 1397 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,320 As somebody who works in television, by the way, I'm very 1398 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,640 frustrated by how they got one part right. 1399 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,080 Where like specifically telling the guy in the fucking 1400 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,680 engineering truck who works for the news station that he's got a 1401 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,040 tune to like tune the dish to like this specific, like 1402 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,640 transponder and then this, like, coordinate set in order to pick 1403 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:43,800 up the signal from the stadium. But then they broadcast with 1404 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,760 like the full graphics package from the stadium. 1405 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,120 And the stadium's not going to have that graphics package. 1406 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,440 You mean like the logo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1407 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,080 They have like a mic. They have a wireless mic with 1408 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,680 like the stations. And The thing is like, that's 1409 01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,000 never going to be how that works, right? 1410 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,360 Because this is inside baseball. Inside whatever sport, I guess. 1411 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,960 Inside basketball player, Yeah. Yeah, in this case, like the 1412 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,320 arena doesn't have like an agreement to have like a like 1413 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,400 with that specific news station, right? 1414 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,120 They're going to have like a crew who who does everything, 1415 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,320 and then that signal has to get picked up and bounced to 1416 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,720 whatever news, whatever TV station they have an agreement 1417 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,800 with to air that game locally. If it's not a national game, 1418 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,840 like, and it's an ESPN type of scenario and it's going to be 1419 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:37,720 the master control on that end of things that actually applies 1420 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,080 all the great. So you're never like they 1421 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,480 wouldn't have a mic for. I'm sorry I this is my job 1422 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,360 though, and I hate it. Well, it's also a spot where we 1423 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,800 do get like a funny joke of just like a quick, like she's live 1424 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,000 and she's like, no, what are you talking about? 1425 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,400 Oh, we're live, OK And like, cut back to it, which is like a good 1426 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,320 moment there. Also the reason this works and 1427 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,120 we were debating about this or or rather we were referencing it 1428 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:09,160 before we got on the call is so I the what I heard and what the 1429 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,600 subtitles said on the version I watched is different than the 1430 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,120 one that the clip that we just shared. 1431 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,800 But like it works because that there is an intranet or Internet 1432 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,920 depending on which persons I heard. 1433 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,680 I heard intranet and the subtitles said intra. 1434 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,160 I heard intranet but I turned on the subtitles and it said 1435 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,080 Internet. But like would it make sense if 1436 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,280 the network is on Internet? Because Internet is usually like 1437 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,920 a closed. Yeah, I think it's supposed to 1438 01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,520 be their. Environment, yeah, I think. 1439 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,080 There's supposed to be a a hard line between them and the new 1440 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,200 station. I think that's what they're 1441 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,720 trying to present as the reason why they have a connection. 1442 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,160 Yeah, but. That wouldn't be an intranet. 1443 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,440 Wouldn't it in this scenario? I mean, but also an Internet, 1444 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:51,280 but yeah. Would not have a hard Direct 1445 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,520 Line to the studio. They would have. 1446 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,680 It would have been satellite. It would have not been like. 1447 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,400 Right. So either way, it all falls 1448 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,160 apart the new. Station wouldn't have been 1449 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:06,720 isolated, so yeah, yeah. So they they do convince the 1450 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,280 military that there is a problem. 1451 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,840 And the military is like, all right, we're going to blow up 1452 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,800 Madison Square Gardens. So they're all trying to get out 1453 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,560 of there before that happens because they have like 6 1454 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,360 minutes. Now all of a sudden they're just 1455 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:22,760 doing it and they go over the fact that they've already 1456 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,840 exhausted the fish supply again. And then there's this scene 1457 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,840 where they're trying to get away and Nick like knocks over a 1458 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,680 gumball machine and a bunch of the the baby start rolling all 1459 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,160 over the place because they got tripped up by gumballs. 1460 01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,360 And they they get to the last room and there's like less than 1461 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,200 30 seconds until the attack starts. 1462 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,040 But everybody manages to get out because Philippe keeps shooting 1463 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,760 down chandeliers and it scares the the hatchlings away just 1464 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,480 just enough. That they get the most video 1465 01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:52,360 game ass bullshit I've seen. Yeah, well and then they 1466 01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,440 barricade the one door they walk out of and the the other doors 1467 01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:01,040 they don't even touch, which the the Godzilla's don't even like 1468 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,720 bother with. Yeah. 1469 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,280 I was going to say like I didn't know if I can make video game 1470 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,880 references here, but it was very like Arkham where like as 1471 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,360 they're dropping the chandeliers, even though it 1472 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,160 interrupts them, they very kindly like wait to like bother 1473 01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,320 engaging with either of them. God, you're so right. 1474 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,000 So Madison Square Gardens gets destroyed, but it turns out 1475 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,800 Godzilla isn't dead, which I know is very shocking to 1476 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,680 everyone watching. And Godzilla looks down and sees 1477 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,600 all of its dead babies and looks and is like, OK, well, you're 1478 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,680 the first living thing that I've seen. 1479 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,440 So I'm killing you so you get to fucking deal with this. 1480 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,480 Yeah, and just starts chasing everybody like through an 1481 01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:50,360 Alleyway Philippe. Like hot wires, a taxi with a 1482 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,320 knife. Which is not how that works. 1483 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:57,520 Hell yeah. Cool, but not how it works. 1484 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,240 They they start getting away. And this is another scene where 1485 01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,560 they just start naming like, oh, you got to take this freeway, 1486 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,840 you got to take the FDR, you got to go down this street, got to 1487 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,600 go down 34th, like, I don't know what any of those are. 1488 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,080 So yeah, what all the stuff you're saying, right? 1489 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,280 Now, I mean it's all for New Yorkers and also like the other 1490 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,480 people in the car are not familiar with this, like 1491 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:15,960 arguing. So that part is is both accurate 1492 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,680 and also like both sides of it is accurate, like the the 1493 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,720 debates that they're making. But aside from that, most of 1494 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,400 these are just like the general like, oh, but in the rain, Like, 1495 01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,200 no, the issue is that people have abandoned their cars and 1496 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,360 that's like this. It's a weird ass city right now, 1497 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:35,040 but it is true because like Nick and and John Reno are the are 1498 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,640 the 2 characters that are we're supposed to relate to here. 1499 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,040 In that it's like, OK, yeah, the New Yorkers are just bitching 1500 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,840 about New York stuff, which is exactly what happens when you're 1501 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:50,400 with New Yorkers in New York. Yeah, so there's a lot of cat 1502 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:51,720 and mouse between them and Godzilla. 1503 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,560 Godzilla just continues to chase them around. 1504 01:20:54,720 --> 01:21:00,840 They end up speeding past some military trucks, and Nick has 1505 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,760 Philippe turned the car around and he ends up throwing like the 1506 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,720 the taxi number to O'Neill, like the guy that was helping them in 1507 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,560 the military earlier. So O'Neill goes to figure out 1508 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,280 the radio frequency for the cab using like the booklet that they 1509 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,280 have, and meanwhile they're still running from Godzilla. 1510 01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:21,360 Godzilla gets stuck in a tunnel. O'Neill manages to figure out 1511 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,240 the radio frequency, and they they come up with a plan. 1512 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,800 They're like, all right, you got to get Godzilla somewhere else, 1513 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,520 which is like, OK, cool, we're stuck in in the tunnel, but 1514 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:35,240 sure, so they decide to go to the Brooklyn Bridge, and they do 1515 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,640 this by blasting high beams into Godzilla's retinas, which that 1516 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,160 would get me too, honestly. And they start driving towards 1517 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,720 the Brooklyn Bridge, and Godzilla manages to catch the 1518 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,640 car in its mouth, but using a an electrical cable that's hanging 1519 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,160 nearby. Like up. 1520 01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:53,840 Inside. Oh, I hate this. 1521 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,280 Oh, it's so bad. Oh, it hurts. 1522 01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,360 Sticks the cable up in between the tooth and the gum and zaps 1523 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,800 Godzilla. Like where you get a popcorn 1524 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,920 kernel shell stuff. It's a it's a fucking a live 1525 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,120 wire. Yeah, Derek can't deal with like 1526 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,080 under fingernails or like in between team. 1527 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,480 Stuffs. It's bad, yeah, because we're 1528 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,200 exposing my fucking weakness now. 1529 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:29,440 My enemies all know how to. Defeat me so that they managed 1530 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,840 to get free and drive off. Godzilla gets stuck in the the 1531 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,880 bridge suspensions and they just start skewering Godzilla from 1532 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,400 both sides with with missiles and it slowly dies from the 1533 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,560 wounds and they they, for I guess the second time in the 1534 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,920 movie start doing like a wow, what a beautiful creature. 1535 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,760 Yeah, type of thing where like Nick is. 1536 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,160 Saying as they murdered the shit out of this unique and animal 1537 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:53,880 that they just killed all of its babies. 1538 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,480 Right, right. They genocided the species. 1539 01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,240 It's like what a beautiful creature as it dies. 1540 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:01,200 The. Creature is beautiful. 1541 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,400 It's death is sad. Yes, everyone cheers. 1542 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,440 Godzilla's dead. It's the end of a 90s movie, so 1543 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:15,080 O'Neill get some commendations. Audrey quits her gross job with 1544 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,640 with that horrible boss. Philippe steals animals tape 1545 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,840 because he's going to scrub it, you know, Audrey and and Nick 1546 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,560 kiss. But The thing is, there's the 1547 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,280 the last scene is that there's one egg still alive in Madison 1548 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,840 Square Gardens. I'm sure they're just going to 1549 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,800 go kill it, but what if? Yeah, What's if? 1550 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,240 And then there's like 10 minutes of credit. 1551 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:41,840 So many credits, it's so long. You got to play the Puff Daddy 1552 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,920 Led Zeppelin tie in song. The soundtrack to this movie was 1553 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,160 also like, what were you guys doing? 1554 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,080 Because none of this, none of the famously like on the 1555 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:58,080 Godzilla soundtrack songs made it into the movie for more than 1556 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,080 10 seconds. I was going to say I don't 1557 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,480 recall hearing anything but the original. 1558 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,200 Style. Yeah, they're all like 1559 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,080 background shots. When we're like we're in an 1560 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,960 office or we're in the bodega, they're playing the song and 1561 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,120 then they move on to a new scene. 1562 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,800 Yeah, yeah, so that's the movie, guys. 1563 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:20,560 This isn't really news to anybody who was alive in the 1564 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:25,000 90s, but holy shit, did people not like this movie? 1565 01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:32,600 This might be one of the most aggressive, like high profile 1566 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:40,000 Hollywood like backlashes in modern like in in in let's say 1567 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,800 like pre. I don't, I don't know, like this 1568 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,800 is a thing that's starting to become more common in the modern 1569 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,440 era, right? But this didn't happen back 1570 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:53,040 then. This Morbius before. 1571 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:54,920 Right. Well, no, because it because it 1572 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,480 is actually a box office success. 1573 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,320 It's just a critically hated movie. 1574 01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,440 Like, like it. Because everybody's. 1575 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:03,160 Going to ask like when you say when you say people hated this. 1576 01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,520 Like obviously critics hated it. Probably a long time. 1577 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,400 Godzilla fans like the general audience, like I. 1578 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,760 Think a lot of a lot of people thought it was like a fine 1579 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,880 blockbuster, but like I knew, like a lot of people, not just 1580 01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,480 Godzilla fans, like, hated this movie. 1581 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:23,440 People who were going to have strong opinions, period had had 1582 01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:26,200 strong opinions that were negative about this movie as 1583 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,880 opposed to a lot of people who were just going to be like, Oh 1584 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,280 yeah, I saw the movie that had we'd been seeing all the 1585 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,600 commercials and they told us to go see the summer and it had 1586 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,520 buildings that blew up and like that's kind of fun. 1587 01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:41,560 Which is why it was $150 million budget and it made 379 million 1588 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,840 at the box office, which is did good. 1589 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,520 Yeah, like that allows for the doubling and then some that is 1590 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,960 required for it to be considered profitable. 1591 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,960 Like this is a successful movie in terms of like are the actual 1592 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,840 business of making movies. It's just, man, did people not 1593 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,760 like it? Well, and like, the thing to 1594 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,160 remember too, is that we talked about like Godzilla fans didn't 1595 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,800 like it. But Godzilla even, like then, 1596 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,280 right in the 90s, like Godzilla's a massive cultural 1597 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,640 icon that even people who didn't watch Godzilla movies like 1598 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:20,240 understood Godzilla right as a as a nuclear metaphor. 1599 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,760 You know what Godzilla's supposed to look like, act like, 1600 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,840 behave like. And, you know, people kind of 1601 01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,800 came thinking they were going to get Godzilla. 1602 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,920 And like, ultimately, this is not a Godzilla movie. 1603 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,600 You know, actually I had a breakthrough watching this movie 1604 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,800 and I finally realized what it is because people have said for 1605 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,560 ages that the main defense that a lot of people had for this 1606 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,960 movie, like to talking to people who like Godzilla but didn't 1607 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,440 like this movie is well, if you take it on its own merits and 1608 01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,840 and don't see it as a Godzilla movie, it's it's actually a 1609 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,920 pretty good, pretty fun with Blockbuster. 1610 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:03,320 And I agree. But his realization it's King 1611 01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,320 Kong. Yep, it's not Godzilla. 1612 01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,720 It's King Kong. Thank you for getting there, 1613 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,320 King. Kong. 1614 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,360 But it's a lizard. And that makes sense because to 1615 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,840 so much of the Western world especially, we are talking about 1616 01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,360 a producer and director who do not really know much about 1617 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,840 Godzilla. You give them a giant monster 1618 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,480 movie. Their primary frame of reference 1619 01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:28,800 is King Kong when you talk giant monsters in in Europe and the 1620 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,720 US. So they made something that was 1621 01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,880 much closer in spirit to like a king, like how King Kong has 1622 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,120 traditionally handled Kong as a creature, naturalistic, kind of 1623 01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,000 big, not crazy, powerful, not like not working on that level. 1624 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,320 It's a very different approach. It's very funny because of 1625 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,200 course in the modern day we've done the opposite. 1626 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:54,040 We've taken King Kong and made him a Godzilla, you know? 1627 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,200 But that's that really put a lot into perspective for me. 1628 01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,000 But like because it's not just like people who saw the movie 1629 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,440 who didn't like it. A lot of so many people who had 1630 01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:11,840 worked on the Godzilla franchise over the years like very 1631 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,960 publicly did not like this movie. 1632 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:20,160 Tons of former like cast and creative like crew walked out 1633 01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:26,240 famously the I think it was it was Satsuma the the 80s and 90s 1634 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,920 Godzilla suit actor walked out of the movie. 1635 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,320 It's it like Toho basically immediately said, Nope, you 1636 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,800 don't get to make any more of this. 1637 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,120 I don't really know what agreement had to be made because 1638 01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,000 famously there's that late 90s cartoon that is a follow up to 1639 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,360 the movie. I don't really know what allowed 1640 01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,400 that to get made, but Toho is famously very protective of the 1641 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,520 Godzilla license. They. 1642 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,000 They probably had a license where they were allowed to do 1643 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,560 spin off like material related to this particular movie but not 1644 01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,880 able to make sequels or like what was considered new like new 1645 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,200 works. But like, this is the era of 1646 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,840 like the men in Black cartoon of like a lot of movies coming out 1647 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,520 with cartoons, even after the the wake of like all the like 1648 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,800 the 80s properties that were like not meant for children that 1649 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:16,240 got cartoons like the Toxic Avengers or RoboCop, Like, but 1650 01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,720 we're still well in that period of like, Oh yeah, well, a movie 1651 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,280 came out that was a big thing this summer. 1652 01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,080 They made a movie about it. Or rather, they made a cartoon 1653 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,440 about it. So yeah, like Toho basically was 1654 01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:28,160 like, we're not approving anything else. 1655 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,360 This is, yeah, you're done. So there were plans to do a 1656 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,840 whole trilogy of this and and you know nothing. 1657 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:44,440 You know, I think my like because look I clearly was in 1658 01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:47,440 the camp of like fuck this movie for a very long time. 1659 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,880 And I've grown up and I've come around and I really do like the 1660 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,200 movie on its own merits and respected for it was trying to 1661 01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:57,600 do. But like it did not hit. 1662 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,000 This is a very divisive movie and it did not hit for a lot of 1663 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,640 folks. I mean even. 1664 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,040 Talk about some of those reasons, like like let can we 1665 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:07,640 can we start with the monster itself? 1666 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,920 Like, we've we've all made allusions to our thoughts about 1667 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,720 the design for Godzilla. But like, I actually think that 1668 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,240 this is an interesting spot to look at in terms of like what 1669 01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,440 they were going for in terms of of making it different while 1670 01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:25,080 also being being on paper the same creature as as the the 1671 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,000 larger franchise like. You can see where they they were 1672 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,600 like, OK, and then we've got the spines and we've got, you know, 1673 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,960 like they were trying to incorporate some visual elements 1674 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,960 of Godzilla to not make it, you know? 1675 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,840 I I think that like, if you look at it from the perspective of 1676 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,360 people who wanted to do Jurassic Park but with Godzilla, the but 1677 01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,040 and also Godzilla and also just do like their own like monster 1678 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,120 movie. Like there are a lot of things 1679 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,320 about the design that I think wouldn't have been that big of a 1680 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,040 deal. I think that it's posture being 1681 01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,600 more like reptilian or or more bird, like really would have 1682 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,040 been fine if there were other aspects of it that didn't like 1683 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,480 look so different, like I think the head's the biggest 1684 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,160 difference in terms of the overall. 1685 01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:07,600 Pack. It's got a very box. 1686 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,400 Like HEAD, which is super is so big it's. 1687 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,440 Got that, Jay Leno, Chip, yeah. It's it's really T Rex and it's 1688 01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:17,960 really iguana like like those elements are are are there like 1689 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,600 it's arms are are big or there's enough spots where it's arms are 1690 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,520 like close to the ground where I'm like oh why isn't a 1691 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,680 quadruped to begin with And it's because it has to be Godzilla 1692 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,160 that it's not a quadruped especially like when it's like 1693 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,880 crawling around and like in tunneling. 1694 01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:34,600 But I but I think the overall, like, general look of Godzilla 1695 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,840 isn't that bad, minus the head. Because like we were all hyped 1696 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,040 about like all the commercials that were like just the foot, 1697 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:41,960 like where it's like they're actually going to do like a 1698 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,880 Godzilla. It's like kind of a runner and 1699 01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,280 kind, you know, like all the T Rex. 1700 01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,120 Kind of more realistic than than a dude in a suit. 1701 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,640 Like, remember right before this The Lost World came out, which 1702 01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,960 had a Godzilla parody in it. You know, like there's a 1703 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,360 sequence later, like late, later in the movie where Japanese 1704 01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,760 people are running from a T Rex like on purpose to do those kind 1705 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,440 of homages, so like. Well like look at the look at 1706 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,560 the Stan Winston design that that, you know again I I posted 1707 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,680 in chat earlier and anyone else can famously look up. 1708 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,960 There's pictures everywhere like the biggest differences if you 1709 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,760 want to get right down to it if you put that dude oh like bent 1710 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,680 forward more you change his head and you take somebody fat off 1711 01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,360 him you're not that far. I mean the the spines are 1712 01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,440 slightly different but like you're like you're not far off. 1713 01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:28,120 Right. And also we need to be clear 1714 01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,000 that like some details don't matter in the broader sense of a 1715 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,680 a redesign, like the shape of the spines. 1716 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,560 Some, yeah, some people are going to be very particular 1717 01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,200 about. But like the presence of the 1718 01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,960 spines is more important than the shape in terms of like, 1719 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,240 here's a redesign of Godzilla, especially for a new movie and a 1720 01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,800 new franchise, you know? Like Godzilla's spines have been 1721 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,960 shaped all kinds of different ways, and they're going to get 1722 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,720 even weirder in the future. You know, so matter of fact, the 1723 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,520 movie that Toho makes to bounce back from this has maybe the 1724 01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,400 most radically different spines on Godzilla we've ever seen in 1725 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,840 Godzilla 2000. So, you know, that's not 1726 01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,240 important. I think the head is a big part 1727 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:07,000 of it. The head. 1728 01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,240 And he's skinny. Godzilla's always been a thick. 1729 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,240 Boy, it's skinny and also small like. 1730 01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,760 Again, this is the Godzilla or the the King Kong comparison, 1731 01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,280 like the the idea of him climbing up around on buildings 1732 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,520 and stuff like as cool as it is to have him like kind of like 1733 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,040 curled around the Chrysler Building, that's a different 1734 01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,440 kind of monster concept than what Godzilla typically is. 1735 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,920 Godzilla normally towers over the buildings around him, or at 1736 01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,560 the very least is, you know, as big as any of them. 1737 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,600 So it's not like there's any sort of like climbing sort of 1738 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,560 like, you know, arboreal creature to him. 1739 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,400 But the fact that I say arboreal creature, that's the King Kong 1740 01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,640 part. Yeah, yeah, Well, and like, I 1741 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,480 don't actually think the 98 Godzilla's that much smaller 1742 01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:47,240 than Godzilla originally was, but. 1743 01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,080 The city's very big. That's the thing. 1744 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,400 A New York City's way the fuck bigger than any place Godzilla's 1745 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,280 been before now. And also, we did spend the 80s 1746 01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,160 and 90s gradually increasing Godzilla size. 1747 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,640 You know, he went from 50 meters for however many years to 60 to 1748 01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,680 80 to 100 fucking meters tall. You know, we doubled the size of 1749 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,880 Godzilla over the 80s and 90s, and now we're back down to a 1750 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,440 littler guy, and we put him around bigger buildings, like, 1751 01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:17,120 he just feels smaller. He gets taken out by missiles, 1752 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,640 which is a thing that Godzilla usually just tanks and gets mad 1753 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:23,000 at. Like, again, it makes sense from 1754 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,960 the perspective of we're trying to create an animal, not a God, 1755 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,120 right? Yeah, officially he's 55 meters, 1756 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,440 which puts them about the same size as the original Godzilla. 1757 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:37,560 Yeah, but you know, I I think it's because even Devlin will 1758 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,280 tell you like that. He thinks it was just ultimately 1759 01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,480 the original sin. Is the approach to make like a 1760 01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:45,400 supernaturalistic tone down Godzilla? 1761 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,600 That's not a thing that appeals to people when they're looking 1762 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,320 for Godzilla. They're looking for the God 1763 01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,680 part. Matter of fact, this version of 1764 01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:03,400 Godzilla has been retroactively renamed Zilla by Toho as his own 1765 01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:09,600 unique thing, rather than as an incarnation of Godzilla because 1766 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:14,560 it took the God out of Godzilla. Is is the the the, the phrase 1767 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,920 that was used. I do want to say it's it. 1768 01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:25,640 I am happy that Zilla's reputation has kind of come back 1769 01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:32,000 around where Godzilla fans are much better at appreciating this 1770 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,480 movie and respecting Zilla as his own thing rather than having 1771 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:39,080 to compare him against Godzilla. It does kind of help that he's 1772 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:40,720 taking some licks in the meantime. 1773 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,120 I mean, they make some jokes about it in in an upcoming early 1774 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,080 2000s movie where there's a joke about like, didn't Godzilla 1775 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,040 surface in New York? The Americans thought it was, 1776 01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:51,320 but it was something totally different. 1777 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,840 And then Zilla famously comes back in Godzilla Final Wars and 1778 01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,080 gets his ass beat. Which kind of like for a lot of 1779 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,960 folks was the like, all right, we're good now. 1780 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,320 That's enough beating up on on the little guy it. 1781 01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,520 Allows them to come over from from from a deal to a face. 1782 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,280 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 1783 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:15,440 So like it is. It is. 1784 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,560 And I think also like people have come to respect, you know, 1785 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,120 we brought up that animated series, like people broadly 1786 01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,400 really like that animated series that they made. 1787 01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:28,080 So I think that there was this intense initial reaction to this 1788 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,960 movie, but people have God, it's only been 26 years, but people 1789 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:40,600 have cooled over time and really come around on not being so 1790 01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:42,800 fucking reactionary about this movie. 1791 01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,480 But it does shape the entire course of things to come, 1792 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:50,160 because we were going to have a whole Hollywood Godzilla series. 1793 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:55,160 And the reaction to this movie not only made Toho bring 1794 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,960 Godzilla back from retirement way earlier than they originally 1795 01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,520 planned, cause Toho was not going to come back to Godzilla 1796 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,040 for a long time. They wanted another 10-15 year 1797 01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:12,160 break, but like it also made them even more protective with 1798 01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:16,680 the license to the point that basically nobody in the West was 1799 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,960 allowed to make anything Godzilla for ages. 1800 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:23,560 Pipe Works famously got to make those couple Godzilla games on 1801 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,360 the, you know, GameCube, PS2, Xbox, the Wii. 1802 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,240 But man, if you read some of the stories about how controlling 1803 01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:35,360 Toho was behind the scenes, like it's pretty clear that even, you 1804 01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:40,520 know, 7-8 years later, Toho was very defensive of that license. 1805 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:47,360 So it's a super weird that. Plus, like we talked about the 1806 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:52,600 94, the unmade 94 version of the script, there's a graphic novel 1807 01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,360 out of the 94 unmade Godzilla movie, right? 1808 01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:02,920 There's actually been so much more kind of like appreciation 1809 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,000 and understanding for what this movie was at this point in time 1810 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:11,600 nowadays, but but it did change everything going forward. 1811 01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:15,760 So I mean, yeah, 'cause, like when you look at this movie as 1812 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,680 as a whole, like getting back to that whole, like, oh, if you 1813 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,760 take out the Godzilla part and you just look at as a as a 1814 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,080 monster movie, there are a lot of things going for it that are 1815 01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,400 pretty similar to like other Godzilla movies. 1816 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,240 Like, I just recently watched him Godzilla. 1817 01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,280 And there's some some straight up similarities in terms of 1818 01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,520 like, OK, yeah, we get our scientist specialist in to try 1819 01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,680 to figure out what the hell this thing is. 1820 01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,000 That's sort of like coming up and then that he's kind of 1821 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,320 iguana like when he first shows up, you know, like. 1822 01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,600 That you? Could make arguments for this 1823 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:48,360 movie to to be fine. And I I think that you know I 1824 01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,040 talked about this on the another past episode, the the movie 1825 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,240 itself is dealing with the fact that Roland Emmerich is not very 1826 01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,880 good at having really well developed characters. 1827 01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:01,240 That usually the the strength of the pieces that Emmerich has are 1828 01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,560 that we have so many of them and this movie doesn't have that 1829 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,240 many of them. And the ones that are there in a 1830 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,280 lot of spots feel like that they that their parts were like 1831 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,400 deliberately cut shorter. So like I alluded to that the 1832 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,280 one scientist lady who's like hitting on on on to Topless the 1833 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,840 whole time up until he's like Ousted. 1834 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,520 I feel like that was supposed to be the Canon romance of this 1835 01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,960 until they decided to sort of shifted around to this like the 1836 01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:28,320 the reporter subplot and sort of make that the the main through 1837 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,880 line. Like I think this movie should 1838 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,240 have been more of a like the way that at the end of Independence 1839 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,640 Day Goldblum and Will Smith like are together. 1840 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,840 But they've been apart this whole movie, and they have 1841 01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,040 totally different arcs throughout the whole thing. 1842 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,600 And that they they bring everyone together a little too 1843 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,760 soon and then just kind of together Ish, you know, either 1844 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,080 either directly physically together or thematically 1845 01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,120 together from that point on. Because like the Audrey fight 1846 01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:57,640 with with Topless isn't like really enough to be make them no 1847 01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,000 longer like connected characters in this world. 1848 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,160 Like in fact it almost like makes it like, well, you know, 1849 01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:03,280 they're going to get back together. 1850 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,320 So they have to get physically back together so that they can 1851 01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,680 romantically get back together. Like the movie itself is like, 1852 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,120 it's just a little too small for, for what it is when when 1853 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,560 you get down to it. The monster threat of this movie 1854 01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,720 is actually one of the bigger monster threats of all Kaiju 1855 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:20,360 movies. Like the idea that we could have 1856 01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:25,960 an ace actually reproducing, you know, 180 foot tall creature. 1857 01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:30,080 Out there that is just going to keep breeding 200 or more at a 1858 01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,600 time and that they're just going to keep on showing up and 1859 01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,200 becoming, you know, this this crazy thing like like that's a 1860 01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,080 dune level event like that. Godzilla 98 is fucking 1861 01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,360 tyrannids. Like, if you want to get down to 1862 01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,760 it, like it's a swarm creature that's going to devour 1863 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,240 everything if you let it get out of control, you know? 1864 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,680 And I think that's a really, it's in fact like I'm kind of 1865 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:55,880 surprised that nobody has ever tried to like bring Zilla back 1866 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,000 and like lean into that a bit and. 1867 01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,760 The form of Zilla's is actually really terrifying to humanity in 1868 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,800 a way that a single Godzilla is not. 1869 01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:09,400 Yeah, yeah. I just think like I I. 1870 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,920 Yeah, I was going to say, I've got like some similar thoughts 1871 01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:15,320 about like again just you know, watching this and and the 1872 01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:18,280 original one kind side by side like on paper there is a lot of 1873 01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,760 like the classic like it starts with the fishing boats, there's 1874 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,200 kind of, you know, tracking it towards. 1875 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,680 The there is standing in the footprint. 1876 01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,080 Yeah, which I was like surprised, like watching the. 1877 01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:30,800 I was like, oh, this is like almost verbatim. 1878 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,280 But I think the structure of the movie isn't as much the problem 1879 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,320 for me as, you know, like you just mentioned, like the 1880 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,200 characters, but like, the script is the big one, right? 1881 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,880 And it's like, it's fine. I watch a dumb movie. 1882 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,720 I'm not surprised that there's dumb characters, but it's like 1883 01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,000 whereas like watching the original 1 or some of the more 1884 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,240 recent ones like -1, like you always have like the science 1885 01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,080 exposition dump or like you know, the either the science 1886 01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,400 plan or the military plan. In the better ones it feels like 1887 01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:03,520 real scientists speaking about real sciency things or like a 1888 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,920 real military strategy. And then this, like the words 1889 01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,400 that they say, it's just like does not sound like anyone in 1890 01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,160 that role would ever speak that way because it's obviously 1891 01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:18,080 written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. 1892 01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,040 And like, normally I don't get hung up on that stuff, but it's 1893 01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,000 just like how everyone just it's hard to sit through when it 1894 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:27,000 sounds so dumb and there's so much very early. 50 in terms of 1895 01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,280 or or rather hastily rewritten me, I guess would be a more 1896 01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,680 accurate term, since again, I do legitimately think that the like 1897 01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,440 the the other scientist character was supposed to be a 1898 01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:38,960 bigger part. Well, Sony had already spent all 1899 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,680 this money on the original version of the movie for like so 1900 01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,760 many years, and was was really trying to get this thing out the 1901 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,760 door, only to find out in 94. Like, OK, now we've got to start 1902 01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,800 over from scratch because of the people we picked. 1903 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,560 And I mean, like, they're clearly willing to keep 1904 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,160 investing in it, but you can't tell me that there wasn't, like 1905 01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,800 deadlines and budget limits hanging over these people's 1906 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:03,880 heads to get this thing out the door. 1907 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,000 So, you know, like, yeah, it was. 1908 01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,800 This was clearly not the cleanest. 1909 01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,440 Production. Yeah, 'cause there's a lot that 1910 01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:16,480 you could also feel like bring a a consultant in to talk a little 1911 01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:18,400 bit about the science here, or talk a little bit about the 1912 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,280 thing here. Or just a script doctor, just 1913 01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,000 like tighten up some of the interactions between people and 1914 01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,960 you would have had a much stronger piece. 1915 01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,280 Because the beats are fine ultimately. 1916 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:32,880 Yeah. I also think like we mentioned 1917 01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,080 Independence Day a few times, like that movie really rides on 1918 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,880 the chemistry and the strength of Goldblum and and Will Smith 1919 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,040 obviously. Like, I think most of the cast 1920 01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:44,120 and this is fine, like Hank Azaria definitely is the best 1921 01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:45,640 character in the movie like you guys said. 1922 01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:51,640 But I vehicle history aside, I like Matthew Broderick. 1923 01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:56,040 Like, I enjoy him as a comedic actor, but like still to me in 1924 01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:57,640 this, even every time I watch it. 1925 01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,320 I don't know if it's the writing or the direction, but he just 1926 01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,880 stands out a little bit. I feel like I would have been 1927 01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,200 interested to see the movie with someone else in the lead role 1928 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,880 just to John. Reno kills, but he's not in that 1929 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,280 much of movie. And then the young lady who 1930 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:16,520 plays Audrey is, I mean, she falls flat to me completely. 1931 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,040 Well, and she doesn't have much of A career after this either. 1932 01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,520 Like this would have been a star making turn for her, but it's 1933 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,640 just not a movie that she did much of A service to and did no 1934 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:28,960 service to her career. I don't want to say she's not 1935 01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,280 like a good actor, you know, or anything. 1936 01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,240 I don't, you know, I mean, again, like, it can just as 1937 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,960 easily be like, you know, bad writing doesn't help, you know. 1938 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,920 If she's not getting directed correctly, that can tell you a 1939 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,360 lot. But it is weird that like you 1940 01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:44,680 have several actors in this movie who have a lot of natural 1941 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,080 charisma. Like you all pointed out 1942 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,320 Broderick, you know, I said Renault, Hank, Azaria. 1943 01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:56,080 And you just don't get a lot of those guys with all the charisma 1944 01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:59,800 interacting. You know it's usually people 1945 01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:05,480 talking to background characters or it's Nick and Audrey who 1946 01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:08,520 again like Audrey has no chemistry and not a lot of like 1947 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:13,520 presence or charisma. So yeah it's it's it's missing 1948 01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:18,680 that that that Smith and Goldblum chemistry is is a great 1949 01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:23,600 call. But, you know, I mean it's I 1950 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:27,160 think, I think this is going to be, this is, I didn't know when 1951 01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,840 I was setting out that this was going to be the podcast where I 1952 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:37,240 ask people to take it easy on Godzilla 98 but will go so hard 1953 01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,440 on Shin Godzilla when the time comes. 1954 01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:44,720 I'm the most backwards fucking person, apparently. 1955 01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:50,280 But you know, like, I do think, like it's this is a messy movie, 1956 01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,680 but it's time for people to move on. 1957 01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:57,280 You know, the the impact it made on history and on how this 1958 01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,240 franchise would develop in the future is set in stone. 1959 01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:05,280 This marks the very much like an opportunity that became the end 1960 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,840 of an era, and everything will change after this. 1961 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,880 But like people who are still holding on to, like, strong, 1962 01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,120 negative feelings about this, it's time to move on. 1963 01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,240 Guys. It's OK. 1964 01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,680 It's fine. Yeah. 1965 01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:27,720 And ultimately like this is the thing about a lot of like hated 1966 01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:33,200 properties of of older eras where like in a lot of cases the 1967 01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:37,720 reason we're we're you know looking at them again and and 1968 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,800 taking in this all is that the sting has gone away because we 1969 01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:44,120 are getting good material since you know we've we've gotten 1970 01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,000 plenty of great Japanese Godzilla movies. 1971 01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,400 We've gotten plenty of Great American ones now like. 1972 01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,200 So it's hard to look at this and see it as like well, this was 1973 01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,000 the end. This screwed up everything for 1974 01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,560 everyone. Like, it didn't, obviously. 1975 01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,880 It did take time. And like, for people who wanted 1976 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,320 like a new American Godzilla movie that was, you know, strong 1977 01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,880 and like, you know, scratched all the itches that they had 1978 01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:07,440 related to the Godzilla franchise and this, didn't they? 1979 01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:09,400 They did have to wait a long time for it. 1980 01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:14,440 And there I understand that like, I've I am a giant comic 1981 01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:16,400 book nerd. For a long time, that was a 1982 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,080 problem. But also now I do look at the 1983 01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,840 glut of stuff we have there, and it's hard to look back at the 1984 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,680 things that I used to be annoyed about and not feel like, well, 1985 01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:28,440 yeah, at the time it kind of sucked. 1986 01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:30,400 But now we've like, we've gotten enough great ones. 1987 01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,560 We've gotten enough great ones. Of all the of. 1988 01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,280 Whatever nerd property you have that you can spend all your time 1989 01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,720 watching it and not have to, like, rewatch that much. 1990 01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,200 Yeah. Let alone I think it's kind of a 1991 01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,200 bad ones. I think it's kind of a great 1992 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:49,280 diagnosis that like at the time this felt like the end, you 1993 01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,800 know, and and that probably drove a lot of very that drove a 1994 01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,320 lot of the backlash is like this was the one shot we were going 1995 01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,880 to get to like big like legitimate. 1996 01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,960 Godzilla is probably how some people viewed it. 1997 01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:06,320 And then that chance was ruined for quite a long time. 1998 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,800 And then for Godzilla fans in in general who didn't see a lot, 1999 01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,960 it's like, oh, well, who knows what's going to happen to even 2000 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,520 the Japanese stuff after this, whether it gets brought over, 2001 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:20,920 you know, foreign movies making it to the US was still not as 2002 01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:24,760 consistent a thing at the time. So it felt like the end and it 2003 01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:30,520 so clearly wasn't. I have one one last little note 2004 01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,240 because this, this is shaping up to be one of our longest, if not 2005 01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:38,240 our longest episode. But I have one last note of a 2006 01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:42,160 thing that for all my defenses sits a little weird with me 2007 01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:48,720 because like, this is a movie that is absent of ideology, 2008 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,520 right? That is not the kind of movies 2009 01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:55,320 that that Emmerich makes. You know, they're they're about 2010 01:48:55,320 --> 01:49:01,000 big chest beating, like, you know, nationalism, parentheses. 2011 01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:05,360 Head empty, right. Yeah, 37 helicopters. 2012 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:08,400 It's a helicopter movie. It's a big helicopter movie. 2013 01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,440 That's that's a genre. And I'm so glad you invented 2014 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:17,840 that term, Jeff. But it feels weird to make a 2015 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:22,720 Godzilla movie, to keep his origin as like a thing that was 2016 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:26,200 mutated through, like the dangers of nuclear testing, for 2017 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:31,520 so much of that stuff to be kept right, but then to shift it to 2018 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:36,040 the French. And it's not like, here's the 2019 01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,640 thing, in the grand scheme of things, like Europe needs to 2020 01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:44,000 catch a few strays, right? Like, it's not like America has 2021 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:51,800 a has a a, a a monopoly on like nuclear testing and like the the 2022 01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,360 damage we've done to the environment and like, you know, 2023 01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:58,400 kind of cultural imperialism over like the global South and 2024 01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,120 the global east, likeable east isn't really a term. 2025 01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:02,480 Whatever. You know what I'm trying to 2026 01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:07,240 fucking get at? But like, this sin was ours, 2027 01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:09,840 right? We're the ones who bombed 2028 01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:14,360 Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? We're the ones. 2029 01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:19,880 Yes, we're the ones who did the Operation Castle nuclear tests 2030 01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:24,560 that, like sank that fishing boat that so heavily inspired 2031 01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,960 the original Godzilla movie along with the bombs. 2032 01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:32,360 It feels really weird to have a even if the director is German, 2033 01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,920 to have like, an American Godzilla movie where we go. 2034 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,440 Actually, the French did it. Yeah. 2035 01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:40,880 It feels a very American way to do it though, considering like 2036 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:41,800 it is it. Is. 2037 01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,160 Like we're the only nation to have actually done a nuclear 2038 01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:47,320 strike on another nation and and all this stuff. 2039 01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:51,480 But fuck the French. Yeah, yeah. 2040 01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:56,800 And it again, I don't think I'm not even going to like accuse 2041 01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,640 like anybody of like thinking that through of like we're going 2042 01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,720 to shift the blame. I don't think it's anything like 2043 01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:05,160 that. But I do think if you understand 2044 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:10,560 the importance of like the nuke, you understand like, where all 2045 01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,040 of this comes from, the origin of everything. 2046 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:18,600 It is ultimately America's sin, right, that we dropped the 2047 01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,800 bombs. So Godzilla like, despite the 2048 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,040 fact that so much of this franchise has been and and you 2049 01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:28,960 know, original director Ishero Honda like clearly had an 2050 01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,360 attitude of like we have to look beyond national borders. 2051 01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:36,080 And you know, very much like did that that sort of thing that was 2052 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:40,840 a lot of classic pulp sci-fi did were like the good things that 2053 01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:45,040 that people do are emblematic of all of us and the bad things 2054 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:48,440 that people do are emblematic of of the worst of all of us. 2055 01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:52,920 And those things are not defined by lines on a map like. 2056 01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,920 And even the original movie I think sometimes can be softer on 2057 01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:01,840 America than people remember. Like we're still the ones who 2058 01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:06,880 dropped the bombs, and it feels real fucking weird to have 2059 01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,680 France make Godzilla. But there is a very obvious 2060 01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,360 reason for why it happened that way, though, which is the the 2061 01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,600 United States Marine Corps participated in the filming and 2062 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:18,200 provided materials and it. Absolutely. 2063 01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,400 And you and I don't think the American public was really ready 2064 01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,560 for a movie that was like, hey guys, just like there's people 2065 01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,680 today who still defend dropping the bombs. 2066 01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:30,800 Like a a shocking number of left wing people who defend dropping 2067 01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:34,240 the bombs. Like, 1990s America is not ready 2068 01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:39,880 to face, like, the the weight of what we did to Japan, right? 2069 01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:45,840 Yeah, it's and just. And again, movies made, you 2070 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,000 know, sponsored by the US military, like presented by 2071 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,400 never be critical. Like in no way. 2072 01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:54,320 And like unfortunately, this is sort of a continuation of, you 2073 01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:58,280 know, the rah rah militariness that is President Emrich's stuff 2074 01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:00,320 prior to this, even though that it's usually subversive to a 2075 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,440 degree. Like we are allowed to have a 2076 01:53:02,440 --> 01:53:05,280 military that fucks up a lot in this movie, which is not 2077 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,400 something Michael Bay would have done. 2078 01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,600 Yeah, you're allowed to be subversive to a certain degree, 2079 01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,640 but we're not allowed to interrogate real world history. 2080 01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,160 Yeah, we're not allowed to just like outright say like man, like 2081 01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,640 there are consequences. Even if it even if you came down 2082 01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:19,960 being like what's it, it was the right call at the time. 2083 01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:23,240 Like you could not imagine. Like the Defense Department. 2084 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:27,120 Like okaying just the phrase there were consequences to our 2085 01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:31,320 actions. Yeah, no, no, no. 2086 01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:34,320 We got to make Captain Marvel a fucking Air Force recruiting ad, 2087 01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:36,640 right? It's somebody who likes that 2088 01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,200 movie because I like Marvel trash. 2089 01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:42,760 Don't judge me. But yeah, like anytime you get 2090 01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,920 the military involved because you want to use their their fun 2091 01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,120 vehicles instead of CGI ING them in, like that's kind of what you 2092 01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:49,880 rush. You can't. 2093 01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,520 Or not just CGICGI the men and have like make it not look like 2094 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,440 specific planes or helicopters or anything like that, if 2095 01:53:56,440 --> 01:53:59,360 exactly. Like, if you want 37 2096 01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,320 helicopters, you do got a cozy up to the US military. 2097 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,760 Going on going on a lefty rant for a hot second because I can't 2098 01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,440 help it. Like, God damn it, every movie 2099 01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:09,600 that has like any sort of backing from the US military 2100 01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,240 should have a disclaimer that it's presented by the US 2101 01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:13,880 military or by the Defense Department. 2102 01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:18,760 Like it is an insidious thing in in our movie making that like is 2103 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,080 constantly there. It doesn't have a similar. 2104 01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,800 Disclaimer is like the no animals were harmed during the 2105 01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:25,840 making of this movie. Like you can't throw that in 2106 01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,560 there in the credits like like this and the NFL should both. 2107 01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:32,000 Like it should be above the above the title presented by the 2108 01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:35,200 US Defense Department because Jesus Christ like that it causes 2109 01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:37,640 so many script changes. Like I guarantee that's why the 2110 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:39,960 why it was written that way where they were like originally 2111 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,280 was going to be the Secret Service or something related to 2112 01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:45,560 military intelligence and they were like well, no, we actually 2113 01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,680 can't do that. It has to be something different 2114 01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:51,360 otherwise, you know, XYZ reasons and had to rewrite it to be the 2115 01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,240 French and they're like, well, we can get Jean Reno and it 2116 01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:55,640 would be oh great, great. Everyone will love that part of 2117 01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:57,640 it and he's. It's a classic guy, Jean Reno. 2118 01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,840 And he's great for for the purposes like, like the the his 2119 01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,640 involvement in the way they are involved make enough sense that 2120 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,720 we're not like really like thrown too much by it, but like, 2121 01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:11,920 God damn it, this movie is is sponsored by the US military, as 2122 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,800 are so many others. And that's why the US is not 2123 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,040 allowed to, like, have anything that looks bad remotely in it. 2124 01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:21,600 It's still not the most rah rah America thing in a Godzilla 2125 01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,480 movie. Which is still Godzilla that 2126 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:28,480 shot in Godzilla, King of the Monsters, The 2016 one where 2127 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,640 fucking Godzilla. Or 2018 whenever it was where 2128 01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:35,840 Godzilla's like advancing on Boston, framed and escorted by 2129 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,880 US fighter jets. Well, that's the difference 2130 01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,240 between. Your post 911 right there. 2131 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:46,600 Which is which is the most America fuck yeah bullshit to 2132 01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:48,240 ever make it into this franchise. 2133 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,080 But I do love it because I'm trash. 2134 01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:57,120 Guys, Do we have anything else? I mean, fuck, we've covered a 2135 01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,800 lot of ground with this movie, but does anybody else have any 2136 01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:04,720 burning things to say? Nope. 2137 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,520 All right. I'm going to take that as a no 2138 01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:12,320 from everybody, folks. That is a wrap on this episode. 2139 01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,160 Thank you all so much for joining us on our journey so 2140 01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,400 far. And this season, the end of 2141 01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:21,360 season three, we're going to be taking a break for a while, a 2142 01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,320 much needed break. I know season three went on a 2143 01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,960 lot longer than we anticipated because there were a lot of 2144 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:30,040 delays due to horrible life circumstances on my part. 2145 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,400 But we're going to take us a much needed break before we come 2146 01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:37,120 back. Jeff, you got anything you feel 2147 01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:41,000 like plugging for our listeners? Not really. 2148 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,600 Just our good old SDGC live show Every Thursday, not Easter. 2149 01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,560 It's You got interest in video games. 2150 01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,080 Make sure you tune into that. But no. 2151 01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:50,680 Otherwise I'm I'm happy to do my own thing. 2152 01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,120 I've got a. Free of social media and and 2153 01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:56,640 otherwise content creation outside of SDGC and it's such a 2154 01:56:56,640 --> 01:57:00,800 beautiful space to be in. I'm envious. 2155 01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:03,400 Yeah, Case. What about you, bud? 2156 01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,280 I am not free of social media or of content creation. 2157 01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,040 So you can find me on most of the social media platforms at 2158 01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,960 Case Aiken except for Instagram where I am still holding on to 2159 01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:14,520 my pretentious aim Screen name from high school which is 2160 01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:15,760 Ketzel. Collateral 5. 2161 01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:20,080 Which is yes, a Brainiac 5 reference not just in a randomly 2162 01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,240 assigned number because this was so early on that no one thought 2163 01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:29,080 that they would have multiple ketzel collateral but so that's 2164 01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:30,440 where you can find me on the socials. 2165 01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:33,800 If you want to find more things where I am talking I host two 2166 01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:37,000 podcasts actively right now. One is another pass which as we 2167 01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,200 talked about did an episode on this movie and I I I feel really 2168 01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,160 good about it. I I didn't want to retread too 2169 01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:43,400 many of the things I said in that one. 2170 01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:46,760 So if you would like to hear our speculation on like what could 2171 01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,960 have been done. And also, I used to live in New 2172 01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:53,960 York, and my coworker, or pardon me, my Co host is a like a a a 2173 01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,680 lifelong New Yorker. And if you want to hear her 2174 01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:00,160 ranting about like the high highways or like like what 2175 01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,840 should have been going on in the background of of various shots. 2176 01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,480 And then check that episode out, 'cause it was a lot of fun. 2177 01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:09,200 Or check out the episode of of that we did on King Kong with 2178 01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,040 Derek and Charlotte. Like both really fun entries or 2179 01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,400 you know like lots of other good episodes in there you could 2180 01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,520 check out there. It's it's a fun show. 2181 01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,920 I I like making it it's it's fun to do. 2182 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,560 I also do Men of Steel which is a Superman and Superman adjacent 2183 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:25,000 show where we talk about the Superman archetype, why it's 2184 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,280 alluring how it can be subverted sometimes. 2185 01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,680 You know great great examples both from Superman comics but 2186 01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:33,760 also from things you know like Invincible or the boys or or 2187 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:35,280 whatever. You know we we talk about the 2188 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,080 archetype more than anything in particular and on that note I do 2189 01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,000 a YouTube series called Superman Analogues which is part of the 2190 01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:45,080 certain POV media YouTube channel where I do like 5 to 10 2191 01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,960 minute like little rants about like this is what's important 2192 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,480 about this character who was kind of inspired by Superman. 2193 01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,480 So check all those out. The podcast you can find 2194 01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,720 anywhere you get podcasts. The the YouTube series you can 2195 01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:03,480 find on certain POV media or on at YouTube on or on YouTube at 2196 01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,320 certain POV media. Pardon me pronouns or not 2197 01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,240 pronouns. Articles are hard sometimes. 2198 01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:13,440 We've been at this for two hours. 2199 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:17,680 So, like, we're all a little. Yes, and and like I said. 2200 01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,800 What's the English? Language at within this for two 2201 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,080 hours. All of these are different words 2202 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,320 that kind of mean the same thing here anyway. 2203 01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,720 So check all that out and and yeah, yeah this is so much fun 2204 01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:31,880 coming back on because I I really enjoyed the show it it 2205 01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:34,080 had quickly become part of my regular rotation when it 2206 01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:39,440 launched and I'm just happy to be back talking repping a weird 2207 01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,640 one that I just like. I just can't get the the Led 2208 01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:45,840 Zeppelin like cover that Combs did out of my head. 2209 01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:49,600 When we talk about it like that marketing campaign was real hard 2210 01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,800 and I was 14 in the exact target audience. 2211 01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,160 Truly the strangest thing. This was before. 2212 01:59:55,480 --> 02:00:01,000 This was before Sony got Eminem to do everything but what we 2213 02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:05,800 could have had, huh? Folks, if you've enjoyed this 2214 02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:08,960 episode of Castle Bravo, please consider rating and reviewing us 2215 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:11,960 on your podcast app of choice, and recommend the show to your 2216 02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,600 friends and cohorts to help us beat the whims of the almighty 2217 02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,000 algorithms. That's all we've got this week. 2218 02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:20,560 That's all we've got this season, so we'll see you next 2219 02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:22,920 whenever. Take care, everyone. 2220 02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:27,680 Castle Bravo is a production of Derek Van Dyke and Charlotte 2221 02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,520 Landale. All editing is performed by 2222 02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:34,200 Derek Van Dyke. Special thanks to Kyrie Lamont 2223 02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:38,520 for our art assets and to David Van Dyke for our theme song 2224 02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:39,600 Pools of Memory.