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Hey, welcome to the City Point 
Church podcast. 

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Thanks for joining us. 
Every day is an opportunity to 

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take hold of. 
So we hope this message inspires

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you and build your faith, but it
helps you have more of a God 

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perspective for your day. 
Enjoy can. 

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You declare out loud today. 
My heart is open, my ears are 

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alert to grow and change and to 
never be the same. 

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Amen, Amen. 
Please be seated. 

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Amazing. 
Well, I've come to realize that 

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God has a system when it comes 
to relationships. 

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And over, over times, I think 
we've sometimes forgot this 

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system of how do we formulate 
great relationships with people,

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especially those relationships 
that can go a little bit deeper.

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You know what I'm talking about,
like the honesty that you can 

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have with some people. 
And as we've been unpacking this

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year, discipleship as a church, 
I've been reading through the 

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scriptures and I've come to 
realize that discipleship has 

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greater depth and width than 
just me being discipled by 

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someone else. 
I'm starting to realize that 

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this is actually God's design 
for relationship. 

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And because Pastor Mel and I, 
we've been talking a little bit 

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about the discipleship concept 
and, and something we've come to

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realize is, is it's not, it's 
not the biblical way that it's 

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always someone greater or more 
superior that disciples someone 

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less superior. 
So obviously you want to be 

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discipled by someone who's 
walked a few more years or you 

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know, that that really helps in 
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But the reality is discipleship 
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And so I've, I'm discipled by 
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And I remember when Pastor Rick 
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Pastor Rick used to disciple, 
disciple me. 

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And although he's 10 years older
than me, it wasn't always the 

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most superior person to the 
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It was a relationship that 
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respected the one that would 
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mutual. 
And our relationship grew deeper

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and deeper. 
Where true honesty and where the

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Bible talks about iron, 
sharpening iron could actually 

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happen in our relationship. 
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everyone in the church today 
that if you're seeking out good 

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friendships or relationships 
with with people, can I 

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encourage that the discipleship 
journey is part of how we form 

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these deeper relationships with 
people because you walk a 

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journey of life together. 
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And so that's just a little key.
So I've I've titled today's 

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message. 
It starts with a relationship. 

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It starts with a relationship. 
Now many people assume 

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discipleship begins in a 
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something like that Bible 
College in a Bible studying like

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you might get in our next steps 
course with Pastor Henry or 

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after someone gives their life 
to Jesus, then discipleship can 

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start in someone's life. 
But the the Bible paints a very 

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different picture. 
And so we're going to look at 

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what the Apostle Paul wrote in 
the Scriptures in Romans chapter

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10 verses 14 to 17. 
And it says this. 

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How then shall they call on him 
in whom they have not believed? 

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And how shall they believe in 
Him of whom they have not heard?

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And how shall they hear without 
a preacher? 

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And how shall they preach, 
unless they are sent as it is 

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written? 
How beautiful are the feet of 

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those who preach the gospel of 
peace, who bring glad tidings of

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good things. 
But they have not all obeyed the

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gospel for Rosiah said, Lord, 
who has believed our report? 

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So then faith comes by hearing 
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Isn't that a fantastic 
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Anyone read that one before? 
It's a good scripture. 

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So Paul's laying out a clear 
progression for us. 

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People must hear before they 
believe. 

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People must hear before they 
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Listen. 
We need to pray that God moves 

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in our community. 
We must pray because prayer is 

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the toolkit. 
It's the greatest tool a 

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believer has to breakthrough of 
anything in our worlds. 

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We must pray, but we must also 
share the good news. 

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We must pray for people, but we 
must go out and let it come from

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our lips. 
I believe this, that if we don't

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get it in US, the Holy Spirit 
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Does that make sense? 
And so it's the same principle 

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here when we are praying for our
loved ones or we're praying for 

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our schools for revival or 
university or our community like

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we do all the all the time. 
Don't just be a bedroom prayer. 

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Only be a bedroom prayer. 
Who then comes out with fire and

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anointing and goes and preaches 
the good news to people and tell

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them, tells them about the love 
of God. 

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Don't just agree that Easter 
weekend is going to be an 

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amazing weekend on the calendar.
Take that agreeance in the 

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spirit realm and make sure 
people know the invitation to 

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come with you and if they need 
it, pick him up, Bring him to 

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church each week, whatever it 
requires. 

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Because we are the hands and the
feet, not just the voice. 

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Amen. 
So Paul's creating this clear 

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picture before people hear the 
message clearly, they must in 

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first encounter the messenger. 
Here's the reality. 

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We pray in our bedrooms. 
We come out with fire and 

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anointing oil all over us and 
then we share the gospel, the 

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good news, with our next door 
neighbor. 

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Guess what? 
They have just met the 

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representative of heaven. 
They have just met someone who 

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knows the one that they need and
how we present ourselves, how we

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present the goodness of God. 
They have just met the 

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representative of heaven. 
They meet you and they meet me. 

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Before someone has a 
relationship with Jesus, two 

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things usually happen. 
First, they hear about Him, and 

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second, they see what it looks 
like when someone follows 

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closely with Him because they 
see you and I Amen. 

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So it starts with a relationship
more than words, more than 

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declaring. 
It always starts with a 

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relationship. 
So this means something profound

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for every believer in this room 
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You ready? 
Your life is always preaching. 

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Your behaviour is always 
communicating something about 

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Jesus. 
Now listen, for sure, your 

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behaviour is always 
communicating, but did you know 

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it's communicating something 
about the one you follow? 

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Because people see you as a 
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Your kindness preaches. 
Your integrity preaches. 

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Your patience preaches, your 
love It preaches even when 

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you're not standing behind a 
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Your life is preaching Jesus to 
people and the world around you.

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Now, discipleship often begins 
long before a person walks 

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through the doors of the church.
In fact, I would argue they're 

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walking through the doors of the
church because there has been 

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discipleship in their lives. 
That's a powerful thing to grab 

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hold of. 
It begins in ordinary 

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relationships, at work, at 
school, at the gym, across the 

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fence with a neighbor. 
So instead of throwing balloons 

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over to the neighbor, why don't 
we get to know them and hop over

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the fence and say hi. 
And it starts over a coffee with

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a friend. 
Every single time we are meeting

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with people, we are in a in a 
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Amen. 
You see that on your life this 

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morning. 
Can you say out loud I am a 

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disciple? 
Say it again, I am a disciple 

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because everywhere you go this 
is exactly what you're doing, 

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whether we realise it or not. 
And as we've been studying this,

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I'm starting to realise if I can
put immense attention, attention

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to that and purpose behind the 
way I conduct my life, I can be 

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discipling people always towards
Jesus Christ. 

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And I have a a little saying the
interns would have heard, and if

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you've never heard this before, 
it's your call this morning into

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internship mid year intake. 
And but I just have this thing 

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that if you're in my sphere of 
life, you're just going to hear 

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about Jesus. 
If you're in my sphere of life 

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or in a conversation with me, 
I'm always going to guide you 

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towards heavenly things or 
biblical principles. 

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Now I might skin it a little bit
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I might not say James, you know,
chapter 3, verse 14 says this, 

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but the the language that will 
come out of yours or my lip out 

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of our heart, our lips will 
speak guidance towards biblical 

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things. 
In other words, we are we are 

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influencing as a disciple, a 
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Let me tell you, discipleship is
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It's to Jesus in Jesus, and from
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We're always disciple in people 
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It's in Jesus where we then 
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grow. 
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Jesus sends us out into the 
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Discipleship and Christian 
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So can I encourage you, when you
go home today, you say, God, I 

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just want my life to always be 
speaking, to always be 

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witnessing, and to always be 
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Amen. 
See that this morning, Church? 

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All right, so it starts with a 
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When Jesus called the 12 
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understand who he was. 
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sometimes. 
Hey, Jesus was this new person 

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on the block. 
Some people knew him because 

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they were friends in school and 
things like that. 

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And he's preaching about this 
God no one on planet Earth had 

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ever heard about before, which 
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And then he was claiming that 
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But, you know, everyone knew his
father and it was just all 

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different. 
But he called these people and 

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he said, would you come follow 
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They didn't have perfect 
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like me, they probably couldn't 
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They simply heard him say come 
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They heard him, then they 
followed him, then they 

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experienced life with him, then 
they believed and obeyed. 

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Let me tell you, church people 
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They're following you and 
they're experiencing what 

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Christian life can look like, 
and if our example is pure, 

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wholesome, filled with love and 
joy and peace, they will begin 

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to believe and obey the one we 
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Also, Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote 
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Discipleship. 
Christianity, man without 

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discipleship is always 
Christianity without Christ, man

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Christianity without 
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And he doesn't even water it 
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He says it's always Christianity
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That says to me this words alone
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My life, my discipling people, 
my showing people is what people

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need to see Christ through me, 
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Amazing. 
What Bonhoeffer was highlighting

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is that discipleship is not just
information, it's formation 

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through relationship. 
People learn the way of Jesus by

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walking with people who follow 
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And you know the Great 
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In fact, Jesus said in Matthew 
2819 to 20, he said go therefore

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and make disciples relationship 
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And Jesus exampled this 
relationship, teaching them to 

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observe all things that I have 
commanded, not telling them to 

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observe, but teaching them, 
walking with them, showing them,

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releasing them and giving them a
go to follow all things that 

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Jesus commanded, but not what we
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So Jesus has written the words 
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But we exemplify, you know, it's
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we preach for people. 
We don't preach to condemn pre 

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people, but we we preach to show
people we give them the words. 

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But then we but we behave in the
same ways and we exemplify and 

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then they walk with us and then 
we give them the opportunity to 

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do that with someone else. 
This is called multiplication. 

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Notice something important. 
Jesus didn't say go build large 

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events and everyone says Amen. 
He didn't say go create 

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impressive programs like our 
Easter, Easter after the service

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program outside for the kids. 
He said go make disciples. 

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Making disciples always and only
ever involves people. 

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And it doesn't just involve 
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It involves you and me also, 
which is great. 

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It involves walking with people.
I feel like I'm giving you 

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really good stuff this morning. 
It's a little bit quiet in this 

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room. 
It's a little bit quiet in this 

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room. 
Like I laboured over this. 

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Yeah, there's 20 hours here. 
Can I get it just a little bit 

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more this morning? 
Where's City Point NI Know 

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you're listening and all that, 
but a preacher really needs a 

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bit of a response. 
That's how you get the real good

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stuff. 
I'm giving you good stuff, but 

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there's deeper and you got to 
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Is this all right? 
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this morning, but it's all good.
She's ministering somewhere 

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else. 
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Making disciples always involves
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about God, helping someone grow 
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like the most wonderful thing we
could possibly do is help people

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grow in their faith with Jesus 
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teachings of Jesus. 
You know, I love how Pastor John

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this morning, you know, he 
brings out the word, but he then

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he gives you the, the Hebrew of 
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And we're sort of we're learning
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levels. 
You know, this is what you get 

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when you hang around faith 
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The value of your life is that 
God has called you to grow and 

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to sow the value of your life is
not just in the growth. 

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I know that sometimes we all try
and become bigger and, and 

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better, not bigger like that, 
but just bigger in, in our 

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faith. 
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better people and, and we try to
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us. 
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not 100% for you and I, but we 
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it's teaching us something to 
sow into someone else. 

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We grow in our faith so that we 
can share to others. 

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We read our word everyday, not 
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it through US, he'll get the 
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And it's the same with money. 
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he'll get money to you. 
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God, where's my blessings? 
Forget about your blessing, just

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say God, where is something that
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Give me what I can, what I need 
to be a blesser. 

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And I think sometimes we focus a
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We need to refine ourselves and 
we need to get our our skills 

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all up and upgraded and we need 
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and better worshippers and, and 
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We need all of this stuff for 
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But if you get it all and you do
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nothing. 
It achieves nothing. 

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I want to go to heaven with a 
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influence behind me. 
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My words aren't enough for that.
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that. 
Your generosity does that. 

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Your finance does that. 
Your open house does that. 

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You're giving someone a room 
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that. 
Being gracious with your 

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children does that, you know, 
not always being the one that 

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knows it all, but being the one 
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them through the word of God and
through life. 

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You know, no one wants to go to 
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wants to go to a gracious 
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The key is is to not remain 
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know it all gracious only. 
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but when people come to you, if 
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achieving the what God's called 
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People come to you because 
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arms. 
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people. 
Where do we direct them to what 

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you learn to internship, what 
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what you learn at Bible college,
what you experience in your 

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workplace and, and what's your 
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and things like that. 
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The Old Testament come on in 
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We went through this on the on 
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The Old Testament always led to 
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And what that tells you and I 
our lives also must always lead 

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to Jesus. 
The value of your life is that 

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God has called you to grow and 
to sow. 

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As we grow, God calls us to sow 
into someone else and help them 

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grow. 
This is multiplication of 

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discipleship. 
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relationship. 
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Relationships grow on the 
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isn't it? 
And listen, you don't have to be

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fantastic on the first Life 
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Well, you're growing too, right?
And that's why you call Pastor 

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Mel during the week and say, 
Pastor Mel, I'll put it in the 

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deep end, Pastor John and 
Rachel. 

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All right, you can call me and 
you say, hey, I LED my life 

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group this week and this is what
happened. 

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And you know, I, I, I know of, 
of a couple of people that had a

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life group and no one rocked up.
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Could that happen to you that do
they not like you, you know, and

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so because they don't like you, 
no one rocked up. 

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And so I got a call or I had a 
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what do we do in this situation?
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through and it was nothing to do
with you. 

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In fact, you're the most loved 
person in the whole church. 

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Yeah, they love you more than 
Pastor Grey. 

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They just listen to you because 
they got to. 

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But. 
But here's the reality is we're 

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growing together. 
You don't have to have the 

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theology and remember 64 verses 
of the Bible before you can run 

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a life group. 
What you do is you say, I want 

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to lead someone to Jesus. 
Everything I have, I'm going to 

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give. 
But I haven't achieved the goal 

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of learning yet, and I'm going 
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Amen. 
Discipleship is not a moment, 

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it's a journey. 
Systems help, but relationships 

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transform. 
In the church, we create systems

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to help people grow. 
We've got life groups, we've got

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courses, we've got demographic 
ministries, we've got Sunday 

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gatherings, we've got SWB 
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These are powerful and these are
important, but church don't rely

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on them. 
Be part of them. 

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Empower them, go to them, learn 
and grow in them, and be serving

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them. 
Be part of them for other 

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people, but don't let our lives 
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They help believers grow in 
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But here is the reality. 
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With relationship, discipleship 
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So the systems of the church 
organize avenues for 

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discipleship to happen. 
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relationship because it's a 
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People may attend a program, but
they are transformed through 

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connection. 
This is why discipleship often 

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begins outside the walls of the 
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It begins when someone hears for
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Back to our first verse, when 
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Why? 
Because you remain faithful to 

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this. 
Let me tell you, I know fuel is 

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ridiculous. 
I bought a diesel because I 

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thought it was the better 
option, and now I'm learning I 

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chose the worst option. 
Right. 

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I understand they're saying that
this is going to be worse than 

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COVID, but does this shake your 
faith? 

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Does this shake the when Pastor 
Dan gets up and talks about 

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finances and money, does this 
shake that or is your faith in 

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God? 
See, the, the reality is the 

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world is always going to 
disintegrate. 

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It's constantly going to, you 
know, the, the earth groans out.

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The Bible says as his coming 
draws nearer, it's going to, 

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it's going to decay. 
We already know. 

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We've read the book. 
I don't know, but if you go to 

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let me find where it starts, New
King James Version page, there 

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we go, page 15118. 
There's the ending story for us.

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We already know it, don't we? 
The world has even heard about 

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it. 
So faith remains faithful 

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through that book. 
And it's always been a thing 

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through every ear from the book 
of Genesis, Man, there's been. 

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Imagine growing up in the 
medieval time just like crazy, 

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crazy stuff, pirates and all 
that time, you know? 

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history. 
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Imagine that. 
Imagine the disciples, what they

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went through, crazy crazy stuff.
But we don't let it shake our 

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church. 
In fact I reckon God loves this 

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stuff. 
The church through history has 

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always come out stronger at the 
end of mass trial and 

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persecutions against the church.
The church has always come out 

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stronger, brighter and general. 
Generally revivals come out of 

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it, which we all seek the 
revival but we don't like the 

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beforehand. 
We all want to see our lives 

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revive. 
Let me tell you that the the 

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more the fuel goes up, the 
easier the conversation with 

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your next neighbor will be. 
Yeah, the more chance you have 

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to bring hope into a 
conversation. 

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It's really hard to bring hope 
into, you know that. 

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Reckon why the western world 
struggles with church growth is 

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because the western world hasn't
needed God as much as the rest 

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of the world. 
And because life is easy. 

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We got money and we're buying 
new cars all the time. 

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I mean, look at all the cars on 
the road. 

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Like everyone has one or two, 
you know, third world countries 

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aren't like this. 
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Messiah or as someone who brings
us the answer because we all 

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think our everyday life is OK. 
But the reality is the world 

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starts to groan more and more 
and things start to happen at 

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the you and I have it just so 
easy just to bring hope and to 

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bring a life and to to pour out 
blessing. 

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Let's not be the one in the 
conversation groaning about the 

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groanings of the world, but 
let's be the one in the 

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conversation that turns it 
around and goes. 

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I understand diesels like this. 
Look, you can go any day and get

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an unleaded car. 
But let me tell you, in the 

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church, we've been walking in 
blessing like never before. 

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I've been tithing for 25 years 
in my life and I have noticed 

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when I look back, no matter what
has happened, even during COVID,

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that my life just kept moving 
forward stronger and stronger. 

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Sure, sometimes I have to lose 
this or I have to lose that, but

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man, I've never lost the joy of 
life. 

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I've never ever thought I don't 
want to bring children into this

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world because I understand that 
children are the answer of the 

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world I have under I. 
You know what I mean? 

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We can just bring so much 
goodness and disciple people 

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through this season of our 
lives. 

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But it begins when someone hears
from you, when they trust you 

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and begin to follow your 
example. 

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Be in a room of negative 
conversation, be bold enough to 

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bring in positive conversation. 
And I reckon someone in that 

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group will start to be more 
positive. 

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When people not just know that 
you're a Christian and hear 

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about it, but they see you in 
the moments and in the situation

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and how you deal with them, it 
will bring influence. 

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And out of that group of 10 
people, what if one of them 

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followed you into the House of 
God, into church? 

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One of the most important truths
about discipleship is this. 

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You don't need to be a 
theologian to start. 

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You simply need to share what 
Jesus has done in your life. 

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Has God done anything in 
anyone's life in this room? 

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Lift your hand. 
Whatever it is that he has done 

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for you. 
I encourage you this week. 

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Would you say, God, would you 
remind me of some of the things 

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you've done in my life and give 
me opportunity to share it? 

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And if you fail in that, just 
get straight back up. 

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Just say, OK, God, I missed that
one. 

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Would you give me another 
opportunity? 

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Because I just want to share 
about your goodness and I want 

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to become amazing at doing this.
Pastor Craig Rochelle says 

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people would rather follow 
someone who is always real 

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listen than someone who is 
always right, someone who is 

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always authentic to their faith,
then someone who has the right 

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words to say. 
See in this world, in fact, the 

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devil himself, he's a man of 
smooth words, knows what to say 

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to peace the situation. 
Don't look to peace the 

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situation. 
Look to guide someone through 

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the situation. 
Jesus didn't come to be liked by

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everyone. 
He came to bring truth to 

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everyone. 
He didn't come to be liked in 

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the temples, but He'd come to 
bring revelation to His word in 

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the temples. 
And you and I are the carriers 

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of truth. 
Don't have a smooth tongue? 

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Have a truthful tongue. 
Amen. 

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And people will be attracted to 
that when the whole world is 

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doing the opposite. 
Authenticity builds trust and 

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trust creates the environment 
where discipleship can begin. 

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00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,040
When people see a genuine faith 
lived out in everyday life, it 

457
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,000
becomes compelling. 
They start to ask questions, 

458
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,640
they start to lean into your 
life a little bit more, and 

459
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,520
often the journey towards Jesus 
will begin. 

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00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:57,000
So as the band comes up this 
morning and joins me, this is my

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00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,320
final thought. 
This week, I want to challenge 

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,720
every one of us to intentionally
live like Jesus in the 

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,640
relationships already around us.
Let's not be gossipers this 

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,280
week. 
Let's not be carriers of all 

465
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,280
negativity. 
Everyone saw the news. 

466
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Everyone already knows. 
We don't need to bring it back 

467
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,880
up. 
What we need to bring, bring 

468
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,400
back up is an answer to what 
everyone already knows. 

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00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,400
Is that the Christian version of
what everyone always knows, the 

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00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Christian faith principle to 
what everyone already knows? 

471
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,320
That's what we are required to 
do. 

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00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Look for one or two people in 
your world and a neighbor, A 

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,480
colleague, a family member or a 
friend and choose to invest in 

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00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,400
them with genuine care. 
Can I encourage all of us? 

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00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,520
We all have people in our world.
Just choose one of them that you

476
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040
wouldn't normally do this with 
and just go. 

477
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,480
You know what, I'm going to 
actually call that person beyond

478
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,600
their birthday or you know, 
Easter greeting. 

479
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,640
I'm going to call them randomly 
this week and I'm just going to 

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00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
invest a little bit of care into
their world. 

481
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120
You'll be amazed of the fruits 
of that one conversation. 

482
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Or buy someone a coffee. 
If you've got the finances, or 

483
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
even if you don't have the 
finances, why don't you exercise

484
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,520
this faith? 
But when you're in the shopping 

485
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,880
oil and there's someone there, 
pay for them. 

486
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Or when you're buying a coffee, 
pay for the person behind you 

487
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640
and bless them. 
Or when you're filling up your 

488
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,880
car, if you can, why don't you 
pay for their fuel and bless 

489
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
them? 
In the in the crisis of the 

490
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,480
world, shine the light of 
blessing on someone else's life.

491
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520
So how can I even say to do 
that? 

492
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Because I understand the 
principle of the Bible. 

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00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,120
If he can get it through you, 
he'll get it to you. 

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00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040
And I honestly have seen the 
fruits of that statement in my 

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,240
life. 
Take time this week to listen to

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,639
someone to encourage and to show
kindness in a practical way, not

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00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,600
just show kindness with a smile 
and words because we remember 

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,080
words alone don't cut it, let's 
do it in a practical way. 

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00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Let your words be gracious and 
your actions be patient and your

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00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,239
character reflect Christ. 
Share what God has done in your 

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00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,719
life when the opportunity comes 
soon as the opportunity is 

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00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,040
there. 
Can I encourage you? 

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00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,159
This is something I've learned 
is I've I had to prepare myself 

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00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,000
to be ready. 
I say to our worshippers in the 

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,480
church, you notice that when the
first song starts, the team's 

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00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,760
not warming up, but when the 
first song starts, they hit us 

507
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,720
with a wall of sound and worship
and like, come on church, you 

508
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,560
know, because they, they're 
already prepared. 

509
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,760
And I've had to learn the same 
principle in my life, especially

510
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,960
with generosity. 
And I'm not just talking money, 

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,040
generosity in all forms. 
I have to be mentally prepared. 

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00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280
So when the moment comes, I 
don't need a warm up period. 

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00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Church listen, you don't walk 
into prayer meetings and sort 

514
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
out your personal life in the 
prayer meeting before you can 

515
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,240
start to pray when Rachel's 
teaching prayer and she says she

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00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:41,200
hasn't said anything to me, but 
when she when she says OK, let's

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00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,680
start praying for this. 
We don't first repent of our 

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00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,280
sins. 
We're doing that on the drive 

519
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,480
here and when we get to the 
prayer meeting we walk in right 

520
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,520
Why you talk so much. 
I'm ready to pray and we're 

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00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,960
ready to go We're pre prepared 
with our life the way we live. 

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,680
You know, sometimes I even 
think, you know, I had this 

523
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,320
thought this morning, you know, 
God, what do you want to do in 

524
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,560
the service today? 
And what, what's what's 

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00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,160
happening in the atmosphere? 
I always say to God, what's 

526
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,520
what's in the atmosphere over 
the community. 

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Now I, I'm not waiting for God 
to put a, a thought or a prompt 

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00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,000
into my spirit. 
And then I go, wow, that's a big

529
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,760
one. 
Wow. 

530
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960
OK, my prayer life wasn't that 
big this morning. 

531
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,920
This week, you know, I come 
ready. 

532
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,440
And when I say that and he puts 
something in my spirit, I'm 

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00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,240
like, OK, God, let's partner on 
that and we'll pray that one 

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00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,480
through. 
You know what I'm saying? 

535
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,120
So Church, this is a call today 
to be prepared to be the light 

536
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,680
to people. 
Yeah. 

537
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,440
When someone says I need this or
I need a prayer or just yeah, 

538
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,960
yeah, yeah, I can do that. 
I can do that. 

539
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:55,040
I live ready. 
I live with money in my pocket 

540
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,640
to bless someone for a coffee. 
You might not have much money, 

541
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,960
but I'm pretty sure you can have
$5. 

542
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,720
I'm pretty sure if you planned 
it, you might not be able to do 

543
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,080
$5 this week, but if you plan it
next week, you'll have a $5 

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
note. 
And then, and then let me let me

545
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,800
say this. 
When you buy someone a coffee, 

546
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,720
you now have nothing. 
You go, God, I'm not just 

547
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:24,480
grungingly giving this away. 
I'm sewing this today that you 

548
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,200
will bring blessing into their 
world. 

549
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,760
I reckon you'll end up with 
another $5 in your pocket. 

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00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:40,240
Remember this, People often see 
Jesus before thou will believe 

551
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,400
in Jesus. 
So let your life be a living 

552
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,280
example of love, of humility. 
That's a big one, isn't it? 

553
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,840
I struggle with that one of 
humility and truth to the world 

554
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080
around you. 
Discipleship doesn't start with 

555
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,240
the program. 
Don't look for a program. 

556
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,680
You use your life. 
It starts with a relationship. 

557
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,440
It begins when someone hears 
from you and they trust you 

558
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,520
because you speak truth, not 
smooth words, and begins to walk

559
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,840
with you because they follow a 
person of truth. 

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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,640
And through your relationship, 
they will discover Jesus. 

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00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,120
Listen, and I'll finish with 
this statement. 

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00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,440
The greatest discipleship 
moments often begin with 

563
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:43,320
something very simple, a 
conversation, a friendship, and 

564
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,400
a relationship. 
You and someone else walking 

565
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,720
towards Jesus together. 
It starts with a relationship. 

566
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Amen. 
That's how we build the House of

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00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,440
God. 
That's how we build people in 

568
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,520
the world around us. 
And here's the reality of of 

569
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,680
this whole subject of 
discipleship of relationships is

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00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,000
that Jesus wants to be in a 
relationship with all of us. 

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00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,120
You know, when Jesus was on 
planet earth, we, we often talk 

572
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,080
about how we chose 12 people. 
But did you know crowds of 

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00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,640
thousands used to follow him and
depending on their heart, out of

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00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,440
the attitude they were allowing 
Jesus to disciple them. 

575
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,800
You know, you might be in a 
crowd sometimes of thousands, 

576
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,480
like, you know, 5000 sometimes 
and 7000 people Jesus would 

577
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,360
minister to. 
And you might be that one person

578
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,880
sometimes in that crowd. 
But you can look at that man and

579
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,320
say that truth coming out of his
mouth. 

580
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,360
I have seen him. 
He goes from town to town and he

581
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,400
heals and he he loves people and
he sits with people. 

582
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,000
And you might be like that to 
that you might go, you know, the

583
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,160
church is vast people on planet 
earth. 

584
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,200
There's, there's millions of 
them. 

585
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,600
They're everywhere. 
Yet you're saying to me that God

586
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,760
sees me in the crowd. 
Yes, he does. 

587
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,280
Because He wants a relationship 
with you. 

588
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,840
He wants to take you from who 
you are and where you are in 

589
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,720
your life today and continue to 
walk. 

590
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,640
Listen, not dictate to you. 
That's falsehood. 

591
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,760
That's not what the Bible 
teaches. 

592
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,320
He wants to walk with you on a 
journey of discipleship so that 

593
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,000
you and I can become the best 
version that we could probably 

594
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,000
possibly be of who we are. 
God wants to love you through 

595
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,040
struggles. 
He wants to sit with you through

596
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080
trials. 
He wants to encourage us all to 

597
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,000
grow and to move forward in our 
faith and in our lives. 

598
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Listen, Jesus is your greatest 
cheerleader. 

599
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,520
He's all for you and your life. 
And it doesn't matter who we are

600
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,440
today. 
We could have grown up in the 

601
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,400
church like myself, or we could 
just be what we would consider 

602
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,320
the worst of humanity. 
God doesn't view us like that. 

603
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,120
He doesn't rate US like this. 
What God sees is his children 

604
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,760
and we are all his children. 
We all know that God's formed us

605
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,840
in our mother's womb. 
And so when he looks at your 

606
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,520
life, he doesn't really look and
and start to counsel the sins, 

607
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,840
but he, he knows his sins. 
But he looks at your soul. 

608
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,280
He looks at who you are and who 
he made you to become, and he 

609
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,080
loves that.
