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Hey, welcome to the City Point 
Church podcast. 

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Thanks for joining us. 
Every day is an opportunity to 

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take hold of. 
So we hope this message inspires

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you and build your faith. 
But it helps you have more of a 

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God perspective for your day. 
Enjoy get. 

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Myself set up, I'm going to make
a confession. 

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Is that all right? 
No, nobody's ready for 

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confession. 
Our interns have been learning 

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in the last fortnight the power 
of confession and I'm not making

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a confession on my husband's 
behalf who can make his own for 

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lying about coming out with $10.
He can do that at the end of the

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at the altar called of the 
service today. 

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I'm going to make my own 
confession because we're in a 

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theme right now called you plus 
me and ChatGPT. 

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All right, so I'm going to make 
a confession. 

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You ready all right I had some 
fun on ChatGPT this week who 

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else has had some fun on 
ChatGPT? 

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Who loves to ask chat all sorts 
of unusual things. 

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I'm making a confession today. 
I this week had some fun asking 

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some things of ChatGPT. 
And so I asked all sorts of 

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things things like help me 
understand and unusual Bible 

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passage. 
Who else? 

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Come on, confess right now. 
Who asked for some 

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interpretation from ChatGPT this
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All right there we go Well done.
You are forgiven. 

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You are forgiven. 
You are forgiven. 

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I am forgiven. 
Hallelujah. 

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All right, I I asked help me 
structure a really good preach 

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for this Sunday. 
No, I'm kidding right there. 

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People are like that's it. 
I'm out of here. 

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I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm 
kidding, but truthfully, I asked

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some really, really serious life
things this week of ChatGPT 

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because I just who who just 
needs to know some things and 

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you need a real wisdom. 
Come on, come on. 

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I know there are others in the 
building who are like, I needed 

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some real wisdom. 
So this year, this week I asked 

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chat. 
All right, so this week I asked 

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chat because curiosity got the 
better of me. 

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I asked is there a correct way 
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Some things are just too 
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right? 
Well, apparently there is 4 

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pages of instruction, a number 
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Now you're all doing. 
I can see you, see you on 

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ChatGPT. 
Apparently there is a very 

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specific method, and apparently 
some people can do it really, 

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really well. 
And apparently those people do 

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not live in my house, but we 
live in incredible times and so 

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that information is right at our
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Politansky family you, me and 
chat chi BT you can ask chat 

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anything these days. 
I have had some fun over the 

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last number of months asking 
chat all sorts of incredible 

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things, like you can learn how 
to fix a washing machine even if

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you're not a qualified 
electrician. 

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You can write an incredible 
speech that sounds like a 

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presidential speech. 
You can learn how to cook like a

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chef. 
You can learn how to build a 

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business that will absolutely 
succeed, and you'll receive that

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affirmation from chat. 
You could even learn, or it can 

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help you understand the theology
of the Bible. 

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We are living today in the most 
informed generation in history, 

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yet at the same time we are 
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disconnected generations in 
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Why? 
Because information is 

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everywhere, but formation is 
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Don't enter that into chat. 
You can tag Mel on insta. 

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Information fills our minds, but
formation shapes our lives and 

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discipleship has never ever been
about information. 

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It's always been about 
formation, and through our 

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Scripture, God uses a beautiful 
image to explain how He shapes 

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people. 
This is found for those of you 

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who take notes. 
You can have a lot of fun with 

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my message today. 
You can write the big letter P 

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right at the top of your page, 
and everything falls under that 

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today. 
All right, but throughout 

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Scripture, God uses a beautiful 
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people. 
And I want to bring us to this 

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passage this morning and unpack 
this a little bit and what God 

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does in us to help form us into 
who He's created us to be. 

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Because here's news to some of 
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You aren't right now who He has 
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I say Amen too. 
We're in the stage of formation 

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to whom He has created us to be.
It's not a done deal when we 

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were born with $10. 
He spends our life forming us 

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into the likeness of Him, which 
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So I want to bring us around a 
passage in Jeremiah today, 

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Jeremiah 18, verse six. 
I'm going to give you a moment 

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to open your passages, open your
Bibles. 

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Who's got a physical Bible in 
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I saw so many of my interns 
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proud. 
Jeremiah 18, verse 6. 

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It's going to be on the screen. 
For those of you who do not have

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your Bible here today, can I 
encourage you to bring your word

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to the House of God? 
Bring it. 

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Test these messages through it, 
open it up, decipher it for 

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yourself. 
The Holy Spirit will help you. 

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Let this is what it says in 
Jeremiah 18 verse 6. 

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It says like clay in the hand of
the Potter, so you are in my 

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hand. 
Clay does not shape itself. 

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Clay is shaped through pressure,
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proximity. 
I told you there would be some 

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peas. 
You cannot shout instructions at

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clay and expect it to change 
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something beautiful. 
You've got to put it on the 

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wheel. 
You got to place your hands on 

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it because formation requires 
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And This is why discipleship 
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not just knowledge, not just 
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It requires you plus me. 
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information age is this, let's 
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Many people today approach 
spiritual growth the same they 

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approach everything else. 
We consume information we 

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consume. 
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Maybe this is a confession 
moment for you too. 

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We consume podcasts, sermons or 
messages, books, YouTube, 

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theology, and none of those 
things I am saying today are 

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bad. 
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You can consume hours and hours 
and hours and years of 

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information and still remain 
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Because information does not 
shape us, vulnerability does. 

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Transformation happens when 
someone asks us individually 

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questions like how are you 
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Where are you struggling? 
Why are you drifting? 

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What has God highlighted to you 
through his word in this last 

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week? 
It's that kind of honesty that 

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we cannot we cannot have through
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It happens in relationship. 
And so this morning I've titled 

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this message Formed not just 
Informed. 

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Formed, not just informed. 
God is looking for a church who 

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is formed, not just informed. 
Do you know this is because this

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is the great pursuit of 
believers all around the world 

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as unity. 
This is how we come into unity 

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when each of us are being formed
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We come together in like 
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When we are informed, we 
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one another. 
The truth is, is each of you 

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have your YouTube preferences 
and they are different from one 

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another. 
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are like, I don't even like 
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We each have our preferences or 
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bends to specific things. 
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formed through what is already 
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We we get our relationships that
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We find those that we want to do
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likeness. 
Same, same, same spirit. 

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That's a real challenge to some 
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might be married and they're 
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That's the problem. 
You chose them because you are 

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like them. 
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the problem. 
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You are them. 
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We choose what we believe we're 
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We choose same spirits. 
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It's crazy the way we're 
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even choose similar 
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So then the trap in this is how 
do you grow when you're same 

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same, we need some same 
different iron sharpens iron in 

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and around our worlds church. 
We are not just here to inform 

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people. 
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This message will go up on 
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not to inform believers. 
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invite people to step into 
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We are here to form people into 
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So because of this, here's the 
questions we're asking this 

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year. 
We're asking, is there not a 

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cause for each and every one of 
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Is there not a cause in 
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a Limbaugh and all the 
surrounding regions so that 

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people there also have the 
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formation, not information? 
Is there not a cause for the 

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people of our region, for our 
young people, not just our young

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people in this House, but the 
young people of this district, 

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for the broken people in this 
region, for the people in our 

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city who are searching for hope?
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there not a cause? 
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And that cause is people say 
people this morning the founder 

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of the Salvation Army had a 
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Maybe you know this, maybe some 
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denomination of churches. 
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Others. 
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the Salvation Army is others. 
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whether you've been part of that
or not, you can see what they 

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have done as a part of their 
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Salvation Army. 
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systems, vision, everything 
funnels through others. 

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Very rarely do we hear about 
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programs. 
We most often hear, even on the 

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news most nights of the week, 
the work they are doing for 

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others. 
The 'cause that you and I have 

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been called to is people. 
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transformed by Jesus Christ. 
So I want to just look at this 

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passage for just a minute more 
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I want to read just a couple of 
verses before because like 

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Jeremiah says like clay in the 
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in my hand. 
But this is how it starts in 

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verse one. 
It says this, the Lord gave 

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another message to Jeremiah and 
he said go to the Potter's shop.

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Go go to the Potter shop. 
He's telling Jeremiah I want you

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to go to that place and I will 
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So I did, and he and as he told 
me to, and I found the Potter 

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working at his wheel, but the 
jar he was making oh so much in 

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this, but the jar he was making 
did not turn out as he had 

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hoped. 
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clay again, and he started over.
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and says, Can I not do to you as
this Potter has done to his 

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clay? 
As the clay is in the Potter's 

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hand, so you are in my hand like
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You and I are not shaped by 
information. 

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We are shaped by pressure, by 
process, and by proximity. 

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And if we're going to be formed 
into all that God has called us,

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fashioned us, designed us to be,
these same three things must be 

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present as the process of our 
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So today I want to unpack these 
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Pressure, process, and 
proximity. 

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The three ways that God forms 
us, three ways that we are 

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discipled into the nature and 
the person of Jesus Christ with 

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our life. 
So #1 pressure. 

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Hold on, it's going to be good, 
but pressure. 

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Pressure is what God uses to 
shape us. 

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Clay cannot be formed without 
pressure. 

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If the Potter does not apply 
pressure, the clay will remain 

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shapeless. 
It cannot contain anything 

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unless it has been formed into 
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And you and I were called, were 
designed to carry the spirit of 

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the Lord, to carry fresh oil, to
carry fresh wine. 

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But we are called by the Lord to
come to the Potter's house and 

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allow how our lives to go on the
Potter's wheel and be formed and

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fashioned. 
Can I be real here for a second?

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Our generation, and I'm not 
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generation. 
In our generation, pressure is 

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something we are all trying to 
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Who can be honest in that? 
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whether you are a child or 
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in this auditorium today, I know
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actually try to avoid in all its
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We do not like the pressure of 
hard work. 

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Most of us are chasing the next 
escape, the next downtime, the 

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next holiday. 
The most comfort. 

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We don't like pressure, but hard
work feels like pressure. 

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We don't like wisdom. 
Come on, let's be real this 

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morning, wisdom is what? 
Pressure. 

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Wisdom challenges our 
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It challenges that we know all 
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Wisdom invites another voice 
into things, ideas that we have 

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preconceived and we've set. 
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That's why very few of us ask 
for it. 

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Very few of us go. 
I know you're actually an expert

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in this field. 
Would you tell me what I don't 

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know? 
So I do this the best possible 

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way we go. 
I want what I want. 

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And so I'm not even going to 
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because it puts pressure on my 
preferences. 

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It puts pressure on my ideals. 
Pressure. 

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But God uses pressure to shape 
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form us. 
I want to talk about a guy in 

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the Bible just to make this 
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It's another Pi want to talk 
about a man that God formed and 

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his name is Peter. 
I want to look at this man for a

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little bit because Peter, Peter 
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One of the greatest moments of 
pressure in his life came the 

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night Jesus was arrested and 
he's standing around a fire, 

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which I think is a lovely place 
of comfort. 

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Anybody else got the fireplace 
is a place of comfort set in 

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their ideas right? 
Me too. 

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But people began to recognize 
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of his followers, the man who is
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the most public crucifixions 
that there was an innocent man 

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being taken to a cross. 
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acknowledgement of this could 
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in his footsteps. 
If an innocent man is going to a

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cross, is there any reason why 
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If I acknowledge in this moment 
where there is pressure to be 

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honest, pressure to own my 
savior, pressure to speak up and

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say yes, I follow Him, you and I
are challenged to do this 

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everyday, pressure to say, Yep, 
I have chosen to follow him. 

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That is pressure from some of 
our families, pressure from some

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of our friendships, pressure in 
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world. 
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this moment, standing by a 
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warmth. 
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followers? 
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Jesus not once, but three times.
That pressure revealed something

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in Peter, and this is what 
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Pressure reveals something in 
you and I, and that revealing 

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process is vulnerable but 
necessary. 

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For Preeta, that pressure 
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preservation. 
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Pressure doesn't create what's 
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Stuff that's already there, 
stuff that we're trying to hide,

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stuff that's hidden behind the 
surface. 

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Pressure reveals it. 
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discipleship. 
Because when pressure reveals 

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what is inside of us, we need 
somebody trustworthy who can 

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come and stand and walk with us 
to help us process it properly. 

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Someone who can say that's not 
who you were designed to be, but

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let's step forward into who you 
were created to be. 

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That's not how God sees you. 
Let's have a look at how He sees

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you and then let's walk in it. 
Let's walk this thing through 

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together and see healing and see
strength. 

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So when pressure is applied, 
because we've not walked into a 

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life except in Christ and then 
walked out of pressure, pressure

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comes, but pressure is good. 
It allows honestly those things 

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to come up. 
I like to say it's the Holy 

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Spirit revealing things in my 
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want to put my finger on that. 
A little bit of pressure applied

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and the surfaces is, aw, thank 
you that it came to the surface.

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I want to clear that dross. 
I want to heal that. 

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I want to purify that. 
Give that to me. 

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And this is done as a part of 
our formation through pressure. 

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Without discipleship, pressure 
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But with discipleship, pressure 
can form us. 

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Which brings me to #2 because 
this happens in a process. 

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So point #2 is process. 
God forms us over time. 

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He is not a microwave. 
He's a farmer. 

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That's why he did. 
There was. 

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I can't find. 
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, 

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Pastor John, you can tell me if 
I'm missing the microwave 

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passage, but I see a lot of 
farmer passages. 

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You think I'm on it? 
There is a process, there is 

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time involved in this. 
Clay is not shaped instantly, it

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is formed slowly, carefully over
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And it's the same with our 
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God forms us through process. 
I want to talk about Peter again

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because Peter did not become a 
bold leader overnight. 

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A brass one maybe, but not a 
bold one, right? 

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He walked through a process with
Jesus while he walked with 

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Jesus. 
Let's talk about some of the 

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processes. 
He got things wrong, and he got 

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spoken to and corrected. 
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One of the most confronting 
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is that the Saviour of the world
rebuked him. 

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And many, many times I have 
found myself in situations or in

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moments and seasons where I too 
have been rebuked. 

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And each time the Holy Spirit 
has brought me back to that and 

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said and Peter continued to walk
with the Lord. 

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I taught our interns last year 
one of the most powerful lessons

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around Matthew 18 and just 
unpacking in theology, that 

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beautiful passage about if I 
know it's a party for a moment, 

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just to soften you up for 
Matthew 18 and if you know what 

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Matthew 18 is, maybe we needed 
that for a second. 

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That passage says if you have 
anything against anyone or other

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translations said if a brother 
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you, right. 
Anything against anyone. 

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Now, anything against anyone 
covers a fence, right? 

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It it covers everything it 
covers. 

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I think they looked at me funny 
or they're not hugged me on 

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Sunday or they haven't called me
in a while right through to I 

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think they told me a lie or they
ripped me off. 

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They stole from me. 
They treated me poorly. 

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They abused me. 
Matthew 18 covers it all. 

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If you have anything against 
anyone, right? 

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I was teaching our interns about
the process because there is a 

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godly process in how we do this.
Just it's a whole nother sermon,

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but it's definitely not talk to 
your neighbor to get wisdom 

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before you go and speak to them.
It's not in there. 

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It says go to them, doesn't say 
to call a friend that's a 

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television show says go to them 
and talk about it with 

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reconciliation as the goal, with
forgiveness as the goal, to talk

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about it so that your 
relationship can be restored and

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made whole and robust and more 
intimate and deeper. 

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As we were doing this particular
passage, I thought I, I, I was 

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reminded all the time that Peter
was rebuked by Jesus and he 

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didn't walk away from Jesus. 
Too many of us walk away or 

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retreat from relationship when 
we are given the gift of a godly

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rebuke. 
And you know why? 

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It's 'cause it's foreign today, 
it's foreign to have somebody 

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tell us and I, I'm going to be 
really honest. 

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The older I get, the harder it 
is to be rebuked. 

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Anybody else with me on that? 
No being honest. 

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Thank you for being honest. 
The older it is often put on our

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young adults because in 
psychology, and it is true, they

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hit a stage of independence 
where they know it all. 

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I am kind of thinking now at 44,
we don't grow out of it. 

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We keep pointing at our young 
adults and saying you wait, They

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think they know it all, but 
they'll get some wisdom. 

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I'm yet to see it. 
We don't grow out of it. 

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We actually become more certain 
and less curious the older we 

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get. 
I find that Grey and I, as a 

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young couple, we used to fight 
over all the regular things. 

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You don't put your tail up, you 
don't do that and you know all 

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the things. 
Now it's the challenge of 

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curious and certainty. 
Do you have somebody who's 

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allowed to challenge your 
certainty stance and keep you 

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curious to learn, to grow, to 
remain on a Potter's wheel? 

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Because this happens in process.
Peter is rebuked when he gets 

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things wrong. 
He speaks too quickly. 

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Come on for all of those in the 
room and go, yeah, that's me. 

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Speaks too quickly and then 
goes, we shouldn't swallow those

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words, right? 
He misunderstood Jesus multiple 

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times and then he denies him. 
His most closest companion of 

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the discipleship relationships. 
This is the epitome Jesus and 

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Peter. 
And Peter denies him. 

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I don't even know him. 
No, I don't follow him. 

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But Jesus doesn't give up on 
him. 

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He keeps walking with him, 
teaching him, correcting him, 

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shaping him, forming him. 
One of the most powerful moments

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of Peter's process is this. 
The night after sorry, the night

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that he denied Jesus, Peter 
stood by a fire. 

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I'm not going to cry. 
But after the resurrection, 

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Jesus restores Peter beside 
another fire. 

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That detail is not accidental. 
Jesus brings Peter back to the 

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place of failure, not to shame 
him, but to restore him and 

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reform him. 
This is process. 

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God doesn't ignore our failures,
church. 

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He also doesn't just move on 
from them, He redeems them. 

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And so maybe you've even heard 
the statement before that he 

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takes your background, the 
mountain. 

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He might be bringing you back to
the fire, the place of failure, 

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so that he can redeem you, 
restore you, reform you. 

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This is why discipleship 
matters, because process takes 

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time and we need people who will
walk with us, be patient with 

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us, remind us of truth, 
encourage us to keep going, and 

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yes, rebuke us. 
Discipleship says I'm not just 

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here for your highlights, I'm 
here for the process. 

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Which brings me to the final 
point this morning, and that is 

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proximity. 
Proximity formation happens up 

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close. 
Say up close. 

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If you're sitting beside 
somebody you really love this 

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morning, say up close. 
Just like that, Gray. 

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Don't do it, John. 
John, you do it with Rach. 

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Get it right. 
Otherwise there's going to be a 

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whole nother confession moment 
after this. 

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The right person up close, Clay 
must stay close to the Potter. 

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I feel like I just lost you. 
Gather on a Potter's wheel 

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again. 
Clay must stay close to the 

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Potter. 
If it moves away from his hands,

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it cannot be shaped because 
formation requires proximity, 

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right? 
Jesus didn't disciple people 

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from a distance. 
He didn't say watch this from 

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afar or just come in one day a 
week and that's enough. 

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View it, consume it. 
He said come, follow me. 

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The disciples lived with him, 
walked with him, observed him, 

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and followed him. 
Because of this, they didn't 

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just get information, they 
caught something. 

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They caught who Jesus was. 
For all of the conversations 

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that Graham and I have had with 
our children over the last 

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nearly 20 years of raising 
children, they do not do what I 

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say. 
Anybody else feel the same? 

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Who is spending way too long on 
a phone with a child at this 

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season? 
How do you lead them? 

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You follow the Lord, you 
continue to walk in His ways. 

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Don't deny Jesus at the fire. 
Acknowledge Him as your Lord and

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Savior. 
You're not going to beat this 

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over your heads. 
They're going to see 

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transformation in your life and 
they're going to want to. 

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They're going to want to crave 
it, and they're going to want to

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step into it because your life 
looks like victory. 

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I am so grateful for struggling 
parents who were incredibly 

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broken, taking step after step 
after step after step into 

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victory and wholeness. 
Are they perfect? 

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No. 
Were the scars made on the way? 

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Yes, I'm so grateful for seeing 
and witnessing and catching that

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God can form and transform 
somebody's life from brokenness 

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to ministry, from something that
seems worthless to actually 

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having an incredible impact in 
the Kingdom of God. 

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I haven't been told it. 
I've witnessed it. 

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I've caught it, I've seen the 
process, I've watched the 

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pressure, and I know God is 
faithful and he does what his 

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Word says he can do. 
And the evidence is how they 

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walk today. 
They might, like Jacob, have a 

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limp, A scar that bears reminder
of where they've come from, but 

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they are not the same. 
Is there anybody in this 

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building who craves that for 
their life, for their children's

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00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,240
lives, for their grandchildren's
lives, for their great 

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grandchildren's lives, For the 
children of our community, for 

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the families of our community, 
for the adults of our community,

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00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,760
for the seniors of our 
community? 

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00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,200
This is what God can do, but He 
does it up close. 

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00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,520
It is court. 
Peters life was shaped because 

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00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:30,000
he stayed close to Jesus. 
Even when he failed, even when 

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he got it wrong, he stayed in 
proximity. 

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He didn't retreat, he didn't 
hide. 

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And that proximity is what 
allowed transformation to take 

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place in his life. 
Why does this matter today? 

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Here is the challenge of our 
world. 

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We think we can grow spiritually
at a distance from one another, 

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through content, through 
screens, through information, 

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,040
even through large gatherings. 
But formation does not happen at

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a distance. 
It happens in relationship. 

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00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,840
This is the tension of our time.
We are living in a time where 

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people are talking AI about 
their deepest feelings and 

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00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,560
struggles. 
They're asking AI why am I 

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00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,200
lonely? 
How do I deal with my anxiety? 

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00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,040
How do I get out of debt? 
And that tells you and I 

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something, something 
significant. 

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People are surrounded by 
information but starving for 

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00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,720
connection. 
Church, this is where you and I,

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00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,400
you plus me, come in. 
Because the answer is not more 

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00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,360
information. 
The answer is you and me. 

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I wonder if you would say that 
in faith this morning. 

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The answer is you and me. 
This is where it becomes really 

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personal for us as a church, 
because discipleship has always 

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had two sides. 
I need discipleship and I need 

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people who will help shape me. 
All right. 

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I need discipleship. 
I need people who will shape me.

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And you're ready. 
I am needed to disciple others. 

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I need discipleship and I am 
needed to disciple others. 

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There is someone behind you in 
their journey who needs what God

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has done in you for them to take
their next step in their 

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relationship with Jesus Church. 
This matters so much for our 

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00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,280
community. 
Caboolture does not need more 

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00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,680
content. 
It needs more people who are 

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00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:02,840
formed, people who walk with 
others, disciple others, build 

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00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,600
strong relationships, and bring 
hope into homes one person at a 

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00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,400
time. 
Because when discipleship 

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becomes normal in a church, say 
normal in a church, we're going 

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00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,800
to step into the new normal. 
Transformation flows in a city. 

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I wonder if you heard that? 
Transformation flows into a 

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00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,680
city. 
This is who we're called to be, 

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a church where people are 
formed, where disciples are 

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00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:45,120
raised, where relationships are 
strong and robust and no one 

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00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:51,720
walks alone because the cause is
far too great in our region. 

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Is there not a cause? 
Yes. 

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Come on, yes there is. 
And the cause is people, I want 

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to, for a moment, as we close 
this service today, I want to 

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00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,880
just take us on a particular 
response moment. 

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So I'm going to ask in this 
house if each person would close

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their eyes. 
And I want you to picture Clay 

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00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,640
sitting beside the wheel. 
Some of you got great 

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00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,920
imaginations. 
You've got it. 

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00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Others are you going to have to 
work for this? 

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That's OK. 
I want you to picture Clay 

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00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:36,000
sitting beside the wheel. 
It's close to the wheel, but 

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00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:43,680
it's not being shaped because it
hasn't stepped on to the wheel. 

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00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:55,960
And today some of us are that 
clay, close to God, but not 

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00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:04,560
allowing Him to shape us through
relationships, through 

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00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,280
discipleship, to be formed into 
the likeness of Him. 

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00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,040
Some of us today need to step 
into discipleship. 

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00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,280
And that challenge is huge 
because for some of us, we've 

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00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,680
followed the Lord for many 
years, but we're beside the 

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00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Potter. 
Potter's wheel. 

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Some of us need to begin 
discipling someone else, but 

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00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,800
unlike Jeremiah, we don't answer
the call to the Potter's shed to

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00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,520
witness what God wants to do in 
somebody else's life. 

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00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Church, we're not just here to 
be informed. 

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00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,120
We are here to be formed through
pressure, through process, 

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00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,440
through proximity, through 
relationships, through you plus 

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00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,000
me. 
So for just a second, we're not 

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00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,960
going to rush this, not going to
distract it with something else,

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00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,080
just you and God. 
Because this is this message is 

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not something we just need to 
hear. 

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It's something we got to respond
to. 

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00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,960
I want you to picture that image
again. 

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00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Clay sitting beside the Potter's
wheel, close but not being 

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00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,800
shaped, near but not 
surrendered. 

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00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,600
And I wonder how many of us in 
this room are close to God, but 

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00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:53,920
we are not allowing Him to truly
form us because we're formation 

547
00:44:53,920 --> 00:45:00,080
requires something of us. 
It requires pressure, process, 

548
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,680
and proximity. 
It requires letting someone in. 

549
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,120
It requires vulnerability. 
It requires saying I don't want 

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00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,160
to just stay the same. 
So I want to ask you 2 questions

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00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,960
today, and I want you to answer 
them honestly before the Lord 

552
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,280
number one. 
Who is shaping me? 

553
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Who has permission to speak into
my life? 

554
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,720
Who knows my struggles? 
Who is helping form me into the 

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00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,680
likeness of Jesus Christ? 
Or am I trying to do this alone?

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00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Question #2 Who am I shaping? 
Who am I walking with? 

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00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,800
Who am I encouraging in their 
day-to-day walk with the Lord? 

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00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Who am I helping grow in their 
faith steps towards Jesus? 

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00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Because there is somebody behind
you on this journey who needs 

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00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,920
what God has done in you to be 
caught by them. 

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00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,560
So here's what we're going to 
do. 

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If you're here today and you are
saying I need to step onto the 

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00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,640
wheel, I need to be discipled, I
need to allow God to shape me 

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00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:53,000
through relationship, or I know 
God is calling me to disciple 

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00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,680
someone else and I need to stop 
holding back and start investing

566
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,720
in others, then I want you to 
respond in this moment, not for 

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00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:09,840
me, not for a moment in a 
service, but as a decision 

568
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,400
before God. 
And if either of those are you, 

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00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,640
I wonder if you would simply 
stand where you are, where it's 

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00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,240
time to step onto the Potter's 
wheel, where it's time to start 

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00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,800
discipling someone, would you 
just stand right where you're at

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00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,560
in response to the Lord? 
It's a response that says, God, 

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00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,360
I'm stepping onto the wheel. 
I'm choosing formation. 

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00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,440
I'm choosing discipleship. 
I'm choosing you plus me. 

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00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Let me pray for you this 
morning. 

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00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,400
Beautiful vulnerability, Father,
you see every person standing 

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00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,800
up. 
You see the hunger, you see the 

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00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,280
surrender. 
And right now we place our lives

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00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,320
in your hands as the Potter. 
Shape us, form us, use 

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00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,560
relationships to strengthen us, 
refine us and grow us. 

581
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Give us the courage to be 
discipled and the boldness to 

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00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,080
disciple others. 
Let this church be a place where

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people are not just informed, 
but are transformed for the sake

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00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,360
of our community, for the sake 
of your Kingdom, in Jesus mighty

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00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:37,080
name, Amen. 
I thank you for your boldness 

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00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,200
and vulnerability. 
I wonder if everybody would take

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00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,320
it.
