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Hey, welcome to the City Point 
Church podcast. 

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Thanks for joining us. 
Every day is an opportunity to 

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take hold of. 
So we hope this message inspires

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you and build your faith that it
helps you have more of the God 

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perspective for your day. 
Enjoy. 

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Who's ready to declare today? 
My heart is open. 

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My ears are alert to grow and 
change and never be the same. 

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Amen. 
And then once you take your 

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seat, Nicole, you are louder 
than everyone. 

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It's awesome. 
I love it. 

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So who knows that we exist to 
spiritually and for spiritual 

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and social transformation in our
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This is the purpose of our life.
This is the purpose of City 

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Point North and Bribie Island is
we are here to not just see a 

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spiritual but also a social 
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And I love that because 
spiritual, that's easy for the 

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church to go. 
Yeah, we want a spiritual 

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transformation, but we want more
than just a spirit 

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transformation for you and I. 
We want to see a spiritual 

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transformation in society, in 
the world around us, in the 

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world that we live in now. 
Pastor Mel started the message 

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that we're doing a little like a
mini series for three weeks on 

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discipleship who enjoyed that 
last week and I hope you've all 

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listened to the podcast. 
If you've never done that 

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before, there is an app out 
there called podcast. 

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You can download that or 
basically on all streaming 

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platforms, I think Apple and 
Google and and all of that. 

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And you go search City Point 
North and you can listen to 

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every Sunday's messages there 
and they're very good. 

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So I encourage you to do that 
from last week. 

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But we titled this mini series 
Believers to Followers. 

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From Believers to followers. 
Let me give you some thoughts 

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this morning. 
There is a start point and an 

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end point to discipleship. 
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born and the finish point is 
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There is a context change that 
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discipleship journey. 
From birth, it's to be the best 

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you. 
From salvation, it's to become 

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more like Jesus. 
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Church, if you're a St. we 
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become more and more like Jesus.
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discipleship #1 personal 
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So growing in one's own 
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making disciples, helping others
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There is one goal of 
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like Jesus in character, in 
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There are two reasons for 
discipleship #1 righteous living

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discipleship matures us, 
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mature us, and #2 mission living
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equip us, discipleship is to 
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to equip us. 
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to mature you and discipleship 
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Discipleship is not planting 
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it's not driving cars together. 
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I think it should be driving 
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There are many, many things in 
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are parts of discipleship but 
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Let me give you a really good 
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groups. 
Life groups does not allow us to

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tick a box of discipleship 
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one small element of 
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You don't really want to know 
what discipleship is, so I'm not

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going to tell you this morning. 
I'm just going to get to the 

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word of God. 
You do Nicole though, don't you?

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Nicole's my best friend today. 
He's not even take my jokes 

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anymore. 
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one person completely gives up 
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another. 
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the early church now, I mean, 
before the Jesus Church in the 

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sense of Old Testament. 
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the Hebrews. 
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See, when you turn 14 years old,
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the house and you became a 
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apostle or a, a, a, what's the 
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I'm looking for a rabbi. 
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the rabbi. 
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discipleship was a lifelong 
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I told you you didn't want to 
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And discipleship is a lifelong 
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And the objective biblically, 
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in discipleship, is that you 
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that you would think like your 
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same concept. 
You would even sleep as your 

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rabbi slept. 
This is crazy stuff, right? 

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This is why we don't talk about 
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because this is really out 
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But let me tell you, we need to 
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It's because I'm learning in my 
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I've been, I've been a Christian
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But let me tell you the the 
Christian journey has completely

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transformed my life. 
But where I am today, I should 

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have been about 15 years ago if 
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real discipleship is. 
This is why I would be a 

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different man today. 
I'm just being honest, OK? 

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I hope this is OK. 
It's because the people that God

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had brought into my life and I 
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stopped judging them. 
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the things I don't agree with. 
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until you disagree and 
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You want someone's disciple 
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core and you are a disciple of 
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challenged. 
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And so This is why choosing 
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important. 
Disciple is this or rabbis is so

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important. 
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the person we're about to follow
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life. 
They have the fruits of Jesus 

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living that I want in my life. 
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you, Sir, and I say, would you 
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Yes, and the more my core gets 
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belief system gets refining and 
the Bible's got this scripture 

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about iron sharpening iron. 
But whenever we see real strong,

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determined God infused iron, we 
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Well, at least I judge it. 
I'm just going I'll be honest 

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today. 
I I judge it. 

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Does anyone else judge it? 
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Billy Graham and we judge him, 
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Now we're talking about Billy 
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You go, well, that's God's man 
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This is awesome. 
I love it's like a candle in our

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midst, the iPad. 
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that's God's man for the hour, 
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That's not what he taught. 
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He said whoever comes after he, 
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12 disciples. 
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out demons. 
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in the future to come, there 
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His name's Billy Graham, and 
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heal the sick. 
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He sent his disciples. 
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all of us, he said, I give you 
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I rose from the dead. 
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But let me tell you, every time 
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this and we're not allowing iron
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It's that I've had people in my 
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I remember Steve, my old music 
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me and he would just speak life 
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Man, I wish I didn't judge his 
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I I just really wish his words 
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And I just said, if you see it, 
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you speak it, I'm going to speak
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If you behave that way, I'm 
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You know, we did it in one area 
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You know, we allow them to 
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and I've had six houses in our 
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We've had investment properties 
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know, because iron was sharp and
you know, that were teaching us 

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amazing things for our life. 
Amen. 

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And so these are the purposes of
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Jesus said in the Holy Bible 
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in the book of Matthew chapter 
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make disciples of all the 
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However, a year or so earlier 
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reason we need to be disciples, 
and this is found in the book of

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Luke, and we're going to look at
this now by understanding the 

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reason we need to be disciples 
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we can work out how best to be 
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So let's look at the reason that
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If you've got your Bible, why 
don't you just turn turn to the 

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book of Luke and we're going to 
read from Chapter 9 this 

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morning. 
It will be up on the screen, so 

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you can read from there as well.
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Luke 91 to 6:00, we're going to 
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It says this titled Sending out 
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Then he called his 12 disciples 
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authority over all demons. 
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Hey, we're a Pentecostal church.
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demons and to curse diseases. 
He sent them out to preach the 

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Kingdom of God and to heal the 
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I love this already. 
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nothing for the journey, neither
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money, and do not have two 
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Whatever house you went to, stay
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whoever will not receive you 
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shake off the very dust from 
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against them. 
So they departed and went 

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through the towns preaching the 
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And then the next title in the 
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seeks to seek Jesus, followed by
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which was a an amazing mirror 
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And then we have Peter confesses
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all good. 
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up in verse 21. 
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Just hang with me. 
I'm going somewhere. 

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Jesus predicts his death and 
resurrection. 21 And he strictly

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warned and commanded them to 
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Son of Man must suffer many 
things, and be rejected by the 

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elders and chief priests and 
scribes, and be killed, and be 

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raised on the third day. 
Jesus has expressed that power, 

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authority and blessing of living
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Then he expressed the surrender 
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brings transformation to a 
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Then what Jesus says next is not
only how disciples would be 

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sustained through Jesus death, 
but how we all will be sustained

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through our life. 
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Then he said to them all, If 
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say come after me. 
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me, let him deny himself and 
take up his cross daily and 

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follow me. 
For whoever desires to save his 

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life will lose it, but whoever 
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sake will save it. 
The point is surrender. 

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The disciples had power and 
authority over demons, to curse 

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diseases, to preach the gospel 
so that you and I to heal the 

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sick. 
But we need to understand 

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church, that this will bring 
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church rises up, that we enter a
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It's not all just shouting in 
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It's not all just, well, look 
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You know, it's not all just, you
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Lord. 
It's all of those things. 

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But it also brings rejection 
because there is a real enemy 

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out there. 
His name is the devil and he's a

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deceiver and he's a liar. 
But for those who do not know 

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Jesus Christ as their Lord and 
Savior, they come under that 

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that dark cloud of that society 
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But as the church rises up in 
righteousness, the enemy gets 

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every weapon he has against us. 
Now, his weapons have no power 

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over us. 
This is the weird thing. 

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Like, you think he would just 
give up, right? 

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I would have just given up like 
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But you know when, when in the 
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that the serpent will be on 
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just given up then, right? 
I would just be like, I'm not 

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going to win this. 
But the reality is, is we human 

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beings feel sometimes like we're
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The pressure, the rejection of 
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universities, there's like this.
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The church is rising up and 
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But the reality is, is we have 
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humanity. 
We have to get into battle for 

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the souls of human humanity. 
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after me, church, deny yourself,
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And then he said, this will give
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life. 
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struggle with the feelings of 
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breath of life, because we 
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and surrendered our all. 
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your all, this will give you 
life. 

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Jesus is saying I have life and 
I have life abundant. 

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Who knows in this place that 
when Christ sets you free, you 

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are free indeed. 
Who believes that? 

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I know we all do. 
Let me tell you this freedom is 

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the breath, fresh breath, the 
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But to walk in this breath, this
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a new creation constantly on the
forming of new constantly of the

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on the journey of I'm a new 
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I have been born again into a 
new life as we surrender every 

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single day like a disciple with 
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And we we, we surrender 
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desires, our passions as as God,
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Galatians, he said those who are
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with their passions and the 
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And I, I used to read that and 
go, really, you want all of that

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from me. 
And I've learnt that the more I 

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give to him, the more breath of 
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more that God feels me, the more
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feel the the movings and The 
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Let me ask a question, what is 
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What is your prayer life like? 
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If you want more, you pray more.
If you want more, you read more.

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If you want more, you surrender 
more. 

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In fact, the the the objective 
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All the big idea here is 
surrender allows discipleship 

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and equals really living. 
Surrender allows discipleship. 

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Discipleship does not mean 
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And I think we've got this 
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I've had this wrong because I 
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That is my surrender. 
But I get discipled when I 

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surrender. 
That's true discipleship here. 

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I judge here. 
I've got nothing left to judge 

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with here. 
I'm my own restriction here. 

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I'm at surrender to my rabbi, my
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disciple. 
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And then let's take this to 
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I'm under the will of Jesus 
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Now He can mould me. 
Does this make sense? 

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But in the church, if we're too,
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focused on discipleship, we stop
allowing Jesus into every room 

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of our hearts of our lives. 
But As for me in my house, we 

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will serve the Lord. 
Not As for me in my entryway, As

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for me in my lounge room where I
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As for me in my every room, 
every fibre, every part, all the

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furniture, every dream of this 
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Amen. 
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discipleship have its place. 
And when we get there, let me 

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tell you, church, the word of 
God inside of us comes alive and

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that's where the really living 
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That's when you walk out and you
pray for someone and they get 

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healed. 
Remember, He gave you the power 

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to cast out demons and to to 
cure diseases and to heal the 

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sick. 
He's given to preach the gospel.

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Who's preachers in this house? 
Lift your hands right now. 

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If you know that you've got a 
gift of preaching on your life, 

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lift your get bold, get bold. 
I know there's people here that 

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know it, have never done it, 
never walked in it, never been 

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seen yet and you've got to. 
I just speak over you right now.

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Would you allow your soul and 
your spirit man be discipled 

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because your disciple will get 
you to the destiny that God has 

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on your life. 
Amen. 

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You know what I love about the 
idea of a rabbi is a rabbi or, 

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or the person that I'm being 
discipled by, They, they are so 

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invested in me that they will, 
they will move the world for me.

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That makes life, it makes life 
so easy to walk in and to live 

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in. 
Amen, Luke 1427 says. 

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And whoever does not bear his 
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be my disciple. 
Matthew 1038 And who? 

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He who does not take his cross 
and follow after me, is not 

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worthy of me. 
Can you see this Surrender 

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first, Mark 834 And whoever 
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him deny himself, and take up 
his cross, and follow me. 

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The denying is before the 
following because if you follow,

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you're just following a person, 
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you're actually following Jesus,
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Amen. 
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discipleship, God is calling us 
to obedience but desires 

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surrender. 
I just dropped gold and no one 

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got it. 
Oh my gosh, I'm just going to. 

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I just said it too far. 
Did I say it too far? 

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God is calling us to obedience, 
but He desires surrender. 

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Let me tell you something, 
obedience is what I do. 

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It's not what you call me too or
require of me. 

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The obedience is the followers 
responsibility. 

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When the leader requires 
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dictatorship. 
This needs to sink. 

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Is this sinking? 
Is this good? 

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I have to come with a heart and 
a spirit of obedience, not 

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judgement, but the one that I am
following. 

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Even Jesus didn't do this. 
If we are got people that we are

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disciple in and we expect them 
to be obedience, that reminds me

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of someone else in history. 
What's his name? 

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Hitler. 
It's true Jesus desires 

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surrender, and when we can get 
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surrender, we want to do nothing
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Does this make sense? 
And sometimes we get more 

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focused on the obedience. 
But God doesn't just want blind 

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obedience, He wants everything. 
This is the New Testament. 

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The difference between tithes 
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Tithes is 10%. 
It's law, generosity, 

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everything, everything. 
It's everything. 

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God is calling us to obedience, 
but really he desires surrender.

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Obedience is doing what God 
commands. 

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Surrender is yielding your will 
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Obedience is behaviour and 
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Surrender is heart and posture. 
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fear, and duty. 
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love, and humility. 
Surrender desires 

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transformation, but obedience 
doesn't. 

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Surrender desires 
transformation, but obedience 

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doesn't. 
The biblical objective of 

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discipleship is to become like 
Christ and help others to do the

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same. 
Discipleship is not just about 

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learning information or 
behaviour, but about 

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transformation, becoming more 
like Jesus, and character, 

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conduct and mission. 
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transformative discipleship. 
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You believe that today. 
And So what I would love to do 

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right now, very unnormal in a 
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the altar this morning. 
And so I've asked some spirit 

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LED musos. 
I got like that because that's 

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the that's the spirit thing. 
The twinkling feels of the 

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spirit. 
Is that all right? 

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Can everyone just do that right 
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And so as these guys lead us in 
some atmosphere, can we just all

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stand to our feet for just a 
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I'm going to continue in the 
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sing a great song that I 
remember as a kid that is 

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appropriate in this very moment.
You've been listening to this 

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and you're like, Pastor Gray. 
I'm not sure I've got myself to 

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that point where I surrender all
I believe all I believe the word

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of God, but I haven't really 
surrendered. 

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Pastor Grey. 
I can I can see right now that 

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when I read the word, even I 
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Can I do this? 
Do I want to how how does this 

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happen? 
God and, and we're looking at 

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the word and we're filtering the
word of God instead of letting 

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the word of God filter us. 
And so I know this can be bold 

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right now, and I'm just going to
open the altar. 

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We call this an altar because at
an altar you sacrifice, we 

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surrender all. 
And so Tyron's just going to 

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sing that chorus for us a couple
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And if you'd like to come down 
and just say, God, I'm moving 

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beyond rooms of my house, I'm 
going to give you the house. 

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I'm not just giving you hopes. 
I'm giving you my will. 

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I'm giving you my everything. 
Or to me, or bless the say girl.

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Or to me and do more. 
Or to heed my lessons that 

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surrender. 
You know, I remember a song, 

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this song being sung when I was 
a kid and I remember the posture

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of my heart this particular day 
in Townsville where I did, I did

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what these people are all doing 
and I do it all the time. 

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It's not a once off thing 
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wrestle against flesh and spirit
daily. 

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There's this wrestle. 
The flesh wants to do what the 

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flesh wants to do, but the 
spirit is craving more of God, 

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more of righteousness, more of 
purity. 

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And so the surrender idea is a 
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It's part of our Christian 
journey. 

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And I know that there's people 
that aren't out here, but you 

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are out here. 
I, I, this isn't any form of 

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grading Christianity because I 
understand, because I didn't 

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come out the front. 
I, I sat right at the back as a 

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kid, teenager. 
But you know, sometimes the 

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action, remember, it's not about
obedience as much as it is about

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surrender. 
So if you were wishing you were 

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out the front, could I just give
you another little option? 

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Why don't you just hop to your 
knees and surrender? 

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What a great noble thing to do. 
And I know that this can be 

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revealing for some of us. 
This is what I love about the 

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Christian journey is when you 
gave your life to Jesus, you 

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surrendered all, but it's just 
the journey of continually 

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walking that which is just so 
powerful. 

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Can I just pray? 
Holy Spirit, thank you for your 

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presence. 
Lord God, in this place right 

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now, there are people that have 
never given their lives to you. 

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There are people that are fresh 
that gave their lives to you 

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maybe this year. 
And then there's some of us, 

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Lord God, that have grown up in 
the church. 

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Father, wherever we're at, you 
don't see us like this. 

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We are all your children and so 
far they're in this place. 

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I just pray that you do a 
transformative work inside of 

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us. 
Father, we want to go from being

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soul LED to being spirit LED. 
We want to go from being flesh 

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LED to being spirit LED. 
Father, we want to move daily 

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from allowing the thoughts and 
the burdens of the enemy in our 

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minds dictating to our lives, 
but we want to be spirit LED. 

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And so, Father, I just pray, 
would you mould us, every one of

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us in this place? 
Let it be done according to our 

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faith in Jesus mighty name, 
Amen. 

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Amen. 
You know, I've got a little bit 

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more of my message and I didn't 
really think this through. 

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It's so I don't know if we want 
to do a little bit of a youth 

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rally concept where you stay at 
the front and I preach. 

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That's very exciting. 
Otherwise, feel free to take 

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your seats. 
And we're just such a blessed 

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church, such a blessed church. 
Thank you Jesus. 

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I want to move the message now 
in just the last few moments 

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that we got to some practical 
teaching for you and I. 

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We now know the reason. 
But I want to give you 5 keys of

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discipleship. 
Number one, desire and seek God 

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first before seeking a person to
disciple you. 

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Scripture shows that 
discipleship begins with the 

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heart surrendered to God. 
Proverbs 35 to six. 

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It's not on the screen. 
It says trust in the Lord with 

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all your heart and lean not on 
your own understanding in all 

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your ways. 
Acknowledge him and he will 

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direct our paths. 
You know, in giving our lives to

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Jesus, I know that you remember 
that you did that because you, 

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you need guidance in your life. 
You knew that your way wasn't 

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the way. 
The way is Jesus Christ, and so 

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you surrendered. 
If you want to be discipled, 

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first ask God to lead you to the
right person. 

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That's how discipleship works #2
be teachable and willing to 

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follow. 
In the Bible, those who were 

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discipled had a teachable spirit
and a willingness to submit to 

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guidance. 
In Second Kings 2, we see Elijah

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and Elijah. 
Elijah refused to leave him 

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alone. 
He needs to be discipled. 

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In the the book of Luke, the 
disciples left everything and 

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followed Jesus. 
In Acts, the Ethiopian eunuch 

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says, how can I understand 
unless someone guides me? 

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Are you ready to learn to serve 
and to be corrected? 

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And then #3 we look within the 
body of Christ. 

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Biblically, discipleship happens
within the local church or the 

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community of faith. 
In Titus, the older men and 

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women are to train the younger 
in the godly living. 

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Let me tell you something, 
discipleship isn't going to 

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appear peer relationships that 
you feel safe in. 

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That's not discipleship. 
You don't go to those people 

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just because they accept you the
way you are. 

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You want people that don't 
accept you the way you are 

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because they see greater on your
life. 

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People that are going to call 
things out of you, not just 

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accept your dysfunction. 
This is makes sense. 

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So this is this. 
If you're older than 44, A 45 

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man, I just had my birthday this
year. 

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If you're older than 45, I need 
you. 

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I need you. 
I need your wisdom. 

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You know, I know, I know that 
I'm very, very young. 

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I get that, which makes you very
young too. 

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I'm very, very young and you're 
very young. 

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But here's the thing, if you're 
older than someone, they need 

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you and they need you to 
continue growing so that you can

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take them further than where you
are now. 

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Does this make sense? 
This is the discipleship model 

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#4 initiate, initiate 
relationship and ask humbling. 

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Jesus called these 12 disciples,
but we also see examples where 

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people pursued mentors like in 
Ruth. 

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Your people will be my people. 
What if she never said that? 

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And your God will be my God. 
Elijah left his family to follow

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Elijah and asked. 
Timothy joined Paul because he 

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was well spoken of. 
He had a reputation. 

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Of a as a godly, well spoken man
who knew his stuff, man, you've 

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got to disciple me. 
Mel and I are so desperate for 

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this. 
We paid someone this year to 

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disciple us. 
We were like, because they're 

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they're in a world greater than 
us. 

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We're like, how do we get into 
that world? 

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We'll just pay for their time 
now. 

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They owe us. 
We've got them. 

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You know. 
It's biblical and wise to ask 

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someone humbling, would you be 
willing to walk with me in faith

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and help me to grow in Christ #5
Watch their life before 

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following their teaching. 
Don't desire the fruits of a 

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dying tree. 
I just made that up on the spot.

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But that was the Holy Spirit. 
Thank you. 

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But often we do we we go, oh, 
don't do this. 

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Don't go. 
I love the fruits of your life. 

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And so please disciple me. 
Yet that person's not growing 

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anymore, because what that will 
actually teach you is how to get

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stagnant in your faith. 
Look for a tree that's got fruit

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and fruit and next year more 
fruit, next season, more fruit. 

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They're growing. 
You thought that they were at at

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the top of it and then the next 
year they go, would someone 

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prune me because I've got my 
next leg, my next journey, the 

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next part of my life to go. 
They want fruit. 

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Look for that person because 
they're going to take you places

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to someone who models Christ, 
not just talks about him. 

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There is no such thing as 
graduation day. 

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Everyone at every stage and at 
every age needs discipleship. 

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And I want to equip us all in 
the church today with a great 

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question. 
So I'd love you to repeat out 

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loud after me. 
Who's discipling you? 

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Who's discipling you? 
Church Nicole, you're all over 

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this. 
Was that you? 

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Listen, this is your Cafe 
question for today after church,

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when you go out in the Cafe, 
because you'll be talking about 

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the message because that's what 
we do every Sunday. 

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Why don't you ask this question 
of each other and ask it of 

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yourself as well. 
Who's disciple in you? 

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If someone's, if someone's 
offering to be your disciple, 

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the question back is, but who's 
disciple in you? 

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So we don't want a stagnant 
tree. 

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We don't want a tree on its last
season and then it gets cut 

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down. 
We want a tree that wants 

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pruning so that it can continue 
to grow. 

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So if they're growing, you're 
growing. 

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And then let me tell you, 
Christian, there is a 

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responsibility on your life to 
continue to grow. 

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No graduation days here at City 
Point. 

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NO ma'am. 
So we all ask of ourselves and 

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the one we want. 
The band can be with me. 

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I'm on literally my last 
sentence. 

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We also ask of ourselves and the
one we want to disciple us. 

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So the reason we get disciple is
because discipleship matures us 

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and the discipleship equips you 
for what God has for your life. 

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Amen. 
You know, becoming a follower of

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Jesus wasn't the end of our new 
life. 

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It was the beginning of becoming
new creations. 

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You received that today, Church.
