Welcome to Peptides for Women. I'm Jennifer Woodward, and this
is your podcast for smart, honest conversations about
peptide therapy and midlife Wellness.
We cover everything from GLP ones to BPC 157, plus the
foundations that still matter, sunlight steps, strength
training, protein and minerals. So if you're ready to feel
better with science, back tools, and natural habits that actually
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Welcome back to the Peptides for Women podcast.
I'm Jennifer Woodward, and I've got another Jennifer on the
podcast today. I mean, we got to talk about
this like, you know, growing up in the 70s, eighties, and how
everyone in our class was named Jennifer.
But first, let me tell you about this specific Jenny.
Jenny Perrin is a Midwest integrative and functional
nutrition coach, a mom of two, a wife, a dog mom, and for her
peptides have been a game changer at age 51.
Of my favorite things to talk about.
Jenny, welcome to the show. It's so nice to be here.
And yes, I was, let's see, in college had roommates that were
Jen, Jen, Jen and Kelly. I was on a cheer squad and I
think there were seven Jen, Jenny's, Jennifer's.
So like, yeah, in the 70s, like it was just a real big deal, you
know? So yes, go.
I'm all. In OK Jenny, what is your middle
name? It's Aaron.
Oh, yes, OK. All right.
But it is Jennifer, right? Jennifer, it's not.
How weird is that? So yes, so I don't, I don't
correct it's, you know, but yes, I am truly like a Jenny.
So yeah, it's it's funny. I feel bad.
I feel like should go back and re record our intro.
No, you should. And I never take offense to
that. Jennifer is a beautiful name.
Yes. OK, well I am very personal to
Jenny and people actually call me that in my real life.
Like professionally, I'm Jennifer, but my husband, you
know, my family, they all call me Jenny.
I love that. I love that.
Yes, and my middle name is Marie, which I also feel like
it's a very seventies, 80s name. Very seventies, 80s.
I can name many friends with Marie as the middle name, yes.
Yes, and I do have to ask you. OK, what about siblings?
So are your. Do your siblings have like kind
of those common names as well? No, I got a Lindsay, so in my
and yeah, my sister lives out in Northern California.
So I'm in the Midwest, she's in Northern California.
And she gets a cool name and I get like Jenny, Sarah, Amy, you
know, you know all, they're all the use.
Yeah, for sure. Oh, my goodness.
I love it. Well, I can't wait to dig into
your journey. I know you are a health coach.
I know you're working with women.
We know as health coaches, the unique frustrations and
difficulties that our clients have been experiencing now for,
you know, 1020 years and now this fun new tool that we get to
bring to them. But as with most health coaches,
it starts with you, right? So can you share a little bit
about your personal health journey?
Yeah, sure. So real interestingly and I
think just to kind of like package it quickly because we
all have these long great stories, right.
But I used to be a consultant in the area of nonprofits and I
still do some of that work, but large scale capital campaigns
and I would travel all the time. I completely burnt out and I was
in my early 40s and I could see a path of either I stay the
course and drink the Diet Coke, work out a little bit, but not
really pay attention to what I'm eating as well as I should, or I
really start to course correct. So I dove into nutrition
understanding especially like a holistic way of living, how and
everything, how to manage my nervous system.
So got yoga certification and then got, yeah, you know, my IIM
certificate, all that sort of stuff.
And started a health coaching practice called Shift Life
Health Coaching, because I started to see some shifts when
I made these small little changes in how I breathed and
how I lived and how I ate. And it's been a game changer.
And so what's funny, Jennifer, is you attract you, right?
So I started as health coaching practice back in like 2017 and I
was attracting like the 30 to mid 40 year olds at the time.
And those women, I mean, I could get, we could clean up low
inflammatory foods, really like get them on this great path
where they're feeling well, they would lose weight, we'd start to
walk more and in a little strength training, all the
things and they did well. Well, flash forward, I'm almost
51 and now at this health coaching practice.
It's really shifted in the last 2-3 years.
And what worked for women and me back then isn't, isn't working
any longer. We need more tools, right?
So then I discovered peptides and so I do want me to share how
I how I. Discovered them, I do.
How did you discover peptides? Well, I just OK, so a friend,
right, So a friend who is just she's an avid reader.
She just takes incredible care of herself and she's always like
looking Jenny, is this something that, you know, I should explore
or is this just a marketing tool as far as like a what all the
things? So she goes, I think I'm really
going to try peptide starting with a GLP and I want a micro
dose. And I was just like you because
I've, I got it, I guess, connected with you in one of my,
you know, like digging deep and understanding and like, and I
went, oh, who's Jennifer? It was amazing, right?
So I'm so fun to be on the podcast by the.
Way you love it. Yeah, so I tried myself.
And so I mean, like you, I'm not going to ever recommend anything
for my health coaching clients that I haven't learned about,
that I haven't trained on and that I haven't tried myself.
So I made the leap back, I guess it was and well, mid year last
year and it was like game changer night and day.
If you were to look at a series of pictures of me over the last
15 years, I've I would lose this 7 to 8 lbs, mostly of
inflammation and then I would gain it back.
And you always see it in my face and then kind of like, I just
keep kind of going like this. And I got to a point I think the
last 2-3 years where it just wasn't like it was just staying
on, not just in my face, it was everywhere.
But that's what everyone is kind of looking at, right?
So I start on this micro dose of a GLP and all.
I mean, micro dose is tiny and within about 8 weeks.
So I didn't really notice anything different.
I didn't have any side effects, nothing, but all of a sudden I
could just see the inflammation go down and I workout with this
trainer and she's like, what is going on?
Like it You are like yeah. So then I got connected with you
and dove head first into peptides for practitioners,
which I highly recommend for anyone in the Wellness space
really. I mean, just to like absorb it,
listen to it. Of course, I've listened to all
your podcasts as well. So just, you know, understand,
it just gives you like the tools to and to understand it.
And it's so new, right? And it's so much being
discovered that yes. So then I had to try another
peptide. So it just, that's really what
got me into it, but holy cow. That is really fun, especially
because you had a friend who was doing it too and you and she
could probably talk about it and compare experiences and because
you were in the Wellness space and it doesn't seem like you had
a lot of weight to lose. So I want to unpack that a
little bit with you. You mentioned 7 to 8 lbs.
You mentioned inflammation, especially in your face.
And then you also mentioned 8 weeks.
Now I feel like that's interesting for women because I
will have a lot of women who are on week 1 or Week 2.
They're like damaged for I'm not down 10 lbs.
Like what is this shit? Like you have to give it time.
All the studies that we have on GLP ones particularly, man,
they're two year, three-year, 4 year studies.
And so a lot of the metabolic effects that are happening
beneath the surface are going to take time.
So walk me through maybe your inflammatory weight loss this
last time, this final time and that eight week period kind of
what you were doing, what you were thinking, how you were
feeling. So I think First things first,
and this is where I think you and I align so well and why I
really want to bring peptides to my practice because it's about
foundations first, right? And that's what you always say.
So what I would say in my health journey, I mean, I am at a place
where I eat super high protein, you know, low starchy fiber,
some rice a little bit like I, I have my diet like dialed and
workouts. I am certified in yoga.
So I do yoga, but then I work with a trainer twice a week.
So I'm and she is like helping me lift heavy.
So I had those things already in place.
I think because I'm turning 51 this year, I'm also like, I kind
of want to see how like how good I can feel, how fit I can get
right. I've got so I have two kids.
I've one down in Florida who's 20, almost 21 years old.
And then I have a 14 year old daughter.
I have a little bit more time, although we've always carved out
time to take care of ourselves. So I had those foundations in.
I went into this GLP, this micro dosing GLP experience really
with the idea I was not looking for overnight anything.
I don't want to rely on a supplement or a peptide or
anything. Like I want to do the work first
and then I want to try something at a low dose and just use it
and see if it makes a difference.
So I wasn't going into this going super weight loss.
I didn't like you said, I didn't have a lot of weight to lose.
So I think that's First off really like starting with a
mindset of I've got a new tool, let's incorporate it into like
the work that we're already doing on ourselves and let's
give it time to work. So 8 weeks.
I didn't say anything to anyone, not even my husband, right.
I know. And I think you did the same.
Like, yeah, so not even, I didn't say anything.
And even I was a little, I was a little nervous to share with
clients that I was doing this too, because I had a
preconception of what GLPS are the easy way out.
It's, you know, it's what people all these things.
But the more I learned and the more I read and the more I saw
the studies and the benefits, again, I think it's impact on me
was making me more insulin sensitive was reducing my
inflammation and the hunger noise.
Yeah, I did experience a little, I eat because I'm hungry and I
tend to eat a little bit higher fat, so not when I'm on a GLP.
So that was always kind of the trickiest thing for me.
So GLP changed a little bit how I eat and the food noise just
kind of quieted just slightly. And I think I went in with into
it with that mindset. And I think that's so important
not to go into it with. I'm going to lose a billion
pounds really, really quick, right?
Yeah, yeah. The thought process we all had
when we were doing Isagenix and Isagenix and low carb diets and
all of those, you know, Oh. And Slim Fast, and I mean
Nutrisystem. Like come on.
I've done the Weight Watchers. I've done like all of it because
of this. Like silly 7 to 8 pack really.
Yeah, you have 100 and I think that's why I'm so passionate
about like making sure that people are educated when it
comes to these therapies, these peptide therapies, just because
like I said, the long term, far reaching benefits of peptides
are not, you know, they're not a supplement, they're not a new
diet. They really are going in and
fundamentally rewiring the body, sending new signals to the cell.
I just, I like your thought process and you educating our
women on the fact that like these things aren't going to
happen quickly, nor should right.
Right. And I think too like the Peace
of Mind that our bodies make these, I mean whether it's a GLP
or GHKCU, like that's where I'm like, OK, this is different.
This is not, you know, just a medic, it's not a medication.
This is different. And I think that reading that
and then reading all the benefits and then I know micro
dosing, there's not a whole lot of information out there just
yet. But I mean, the case studies are
like case study here. Like, holy cow, I am an absolute
believer. So yeah, I'm, I'm in I.
It's lovely. I wanted to revisit something
you said because this is very interesting.
You said, you know, typically you would tend to eat when
you're hungry and naturally you would eat a diet that might be a
little bit higher in fat. Now this is a point I see with a
lot of my women because we were all kind of lead through like
the Paleo diet, the Atkins diet, you know, Whole Foods diet,
making sure that we're eating for hormone balance.
You know, cholesterol is a backbone of our hormones.
We need plenty of good dietary fat.
And so, you know, that was that was kind of my informed a lot of
my meal planning and nutrition interventions for my clients and
myself for a long time until I realized that to lose weight, to
really lose weight in midlife, women need to be eating a little
bit of a lower fat diet. I'm not saying like a no fat
diet and I'm not saying that bad.
I'm just saying that when we see the needle needle shift
meaningfully with weight loss in midlife, it's generally going to
be with women eating between, you know, like 65 to 85 grams of
fat a day instead of like, you know, ninety 100 and 120.
And you brought up a great point too, that GLP once almost change
your, your desire for fat. So can you walk me through that
a little bit because I think it's fascinating.
So yeah, so and I've noticed the same thing too.
I definitely ate more higher fat for a while and then I
definitely reduced it, but it was still a little bit of a
crutch. So but yeah, when you try a
microdose, most of a GLP, at least with my body, it doesn't
like a lot of fat. So right, I mean, it's slowing
that the gastric emptying, right?
It's slowing the so I didn't feel as good if I ate something
a little bit higher. And you know, when I'm talking
fat, you know, I'm talking like olive oil or like really good
grass fed butter, right? But not not a ton.
But when you go on GLP, you just don't want that.
So I started to play and the biggest thing that like I coach
on is like TuneIn to how your body feels right when you eat
certain things because it is always telling, you know,
talking to you. So I'm like, OK, so I got to
drop the fat a little bit and then I started to add more
starch. So right.
And there's a benefit to that on a low dose GOP.
So I started to, you know, instead of making like a ground
chicken bowl with cauliflower rice, I would add a little bit
of actual rice and I felt really good on it.
So I think just listening to that, making those adjustments
and then again, I've been able to avoid any side effects and we
know what they are. I mean, Constipation and nausea
and all of that. And I think, you know, being
very conscious of minerals and hydration.
And of course, I learned through you and the program that yet we
may not get those hydration cues like we always did.
Of course I'm like a big, you know, bucket of water nearby,
right? Yes, of course we have it
nearby. But I think just make sure I've
got electrolytes in it that I'm, you know, consistently drinking.
But yeah, that's, I think really listen it, it helped me listen
to my body know that something's adjusting and shifting a little
bit and then making the change. And I feel great on it.
I think that's a beautiful synopsis of how to live and GLP
one optimize life just with everything that you broke down.
And I'm interested in the starch component.
Hallelujah. Thank God for carbohydrates.
Honestly, like having they're so good, so so do you feel like
your body was talking to you with regards to that starch
component? Like for instance, switching
over from cauliflower rice disgusting to regular rice
delicious. Delicious.
Tell me. What that look like for you?
Yeah. So it's, I mean, it's an easy
change, right? So I have just been very careful
because I have noticed I'm 52 like there's nowhere for it to
go, right. So I've just been very careful
about my blood sugar balancing. And I also came from a space of
being hungry all the time. So I think my body, I really had
to rein in the starch at some point to start to balance my
blood sugar slightly. Well, yes, I may have gone a
little bit too low starch and too high fat.
So yes, So going on the GLP, yeah, I'm looking at sweet
potatoes and I'm looking at rice and I'm looking at a little bit
of quinoa and I'm looking at yeah, just also with a protein,
right. And with like lots of low starch
veggies too, so I can make sure that I'm getting all the fiber
that I need. But yeah, it's been it's been a
really easy transition because it doesn't change that much.
But I mean my 14 year old daughter is like this is.
Great. Thank you mom, for making me
brown. The cop Rs was not good, mom, it
wasn't good. Oh my goodness, I, I do like
that too, because what I'll tell my husband and my clients is I
feel like this micro dose of a GLP one has made me hungry for
normal meals at normal times. And I'm not a stranger to, you
know, talking about my history with disordered eating and
bulimia and that excessive food noise.
And I think where some of those, you know, behaviors and
histories can get you is to a place of, of being very rigid,
you know, like I had these rules that I needed to follow in order
to feel like I could live my life.
Like I didn't want to throw my, I don't want to throw my food,
you know, And so making sure that I'm following like this
perfect paleo diet or like a perfect low carb diet.
So I'm not, you know, overeating were some of the, the things
that held me in place, I think for a while, But they're not,
they're not sustainable. They really aren't.
And they're. Not and I love that if you're
open to right, just like realizing that you're doing the
same thing too rigidly and you're too like wed to that,
then and if you're open to making changes and seeing how
your body reacts, that's where the magic happens, right?
Agreed, agreed. You did bring up food noise too
and like kind of cravings. And so being able to manage, I
think those things allows you freedom maybe with the healthy
food you're eating because you're a health coach.
I'm a health coach. We're not going to go off and
eat like, you know, burgers, fries, milkshakes and like
Skittles for every single meal. That's just not, we don't feel
good. We don't like that, but it does
help us kind of maybe have healthier parameters on some of
the tools that we are using nutritionally.
So what did that look like for you mentally as maybe that food
noise shifted, that those cravings shifted?
Yeah, I, so I would say I'm like a three meal a day girl.
I've kind of always been a three meal a day girl.
And if I needed a snack, I would get 1, you know, like a
chopstick or something, you know, like higher protein or
like a little yogurt, something like that.
I don't need that anymore. I was also like, if I really do
like a food, I would get like maybe a little half of a second
helping. I don't need that second.
Now. I think with the GLP, it's just
like, this is my plate. I eat it.
I'm not restricting anything. I'm eating the foods that
nourish me, the foods that I really like and that I feel
really good on and don't have to think about anything outside of
that. It's really great to not need a
snack, right? Yep, and sometimes I would feel
like I have 4 babies. Right.
They're older now, but I just remember being that mom with my
Petunia pickle bottle backpack with all the kids snacks in them
and thinking like, dear Barbara, I am like a baby.
Like I need to have snacks. You know, if we're on a car trip
or like, you know, we're traveling somewhere, I'm like,
where? Where's my snack?
And I just felt like how old am I?
You know what's funny and what it just like one of the things
that I coach, I have a lot of clients who travel like all the
time. And especially if you're living
in the Midwest, like, you're, you know, you're on both coasts,
you're kind of all. And it's something happens to
people who travel for work where it's like they need snacks for
the airport. And I don't know what I think
that is like a, a cultural thing.
Like I've fallen into that trap before, too.
But it's really nice. I mean, my husband and I just
did a little Sarasota trip. I was just up in the Bay Area.
And yeah, I just, you know, I ate my normal meal.
Nothing, you know, airport foods, not tempting, but it's
just very easy to just stay on track and eat good food.
I love that. I I really do too.
And it just makes me think of, you know, like 60 years ago, 100
years ago, when people just ate normal meals at normal times as
well, like breakfast, lunch and dinner.
There wasn't a big snack culture.
There wasn't a big like processed food culture, like,
you know, big food culture at that point either, which is a
whole nother kettle of fish. But, you know, it really does
just kind of bring you back to these biological roots of where
you tend to feel your best with, with, you know, regular meals at
regular times. And and you brought up something
I thought was really important. You said I'm eating food I like.
How best to how best to stay on a diet and lifestyle, right that
supports your health goals when you can actually eat the food
you like in the amounts that totally serve you and that you
totally feel good on. And the people are like tapping
you on the shoulder going, girl, what are you?
What are you doing? I mean, Jennifer, so I am
hosting just an informational webinar for my clients in April
and it filled up within two days.
So I'm hosting it because simply because I think that like
they're seeing something change maybe in me.
They're hearing, of course, there's this, you know, subtle,
not a roar yet, but a little quiet conversation happening
that's growing on peptides. And so people don't know what
they think. They're collagen, right?
They think it's just the collagen powder in your coffee.
So it's yeah, it's an exciting time and I'm excited that I'm
like getting to understand how they work personally first, even
before they really kind of explode.
And I and I'm really grateful I think, well to find you, but
also to find LEMD as AI mean a trusted resource.
So Full disclosure, I mean, I certainly did look at Gray
market, you know, peptides because at first I didn't know
that there were any other options.
So I got to learn, you know that there it makes a huge difference
of where you source these. Yeah, yeah, 100% it does.
And I know there's a lot of like questions and divisiveness about
like the sourcing issues. But for me as an unlicensed
health coach, I definitely appreciate the fact that I don't
have to worry about any of that because we do use A5O3A
certified pharmacy. Nobody's mixing up any shit in
their kitchen right now. Like just go to the doctor.
It just is easier. I mean, yeah, I mean, to be able
to, again, Doctor approves, you get the whole entire package.
I mean, it really is just nothing better so.
Yeah, yeah, I love it. I'm glad you brought that up
too, because sourcing is important, especially like you
said, I mean, I, I in the grand scheme of things have not been
doing peptides for a long time, you know, like a year and a
half, right. So, so I realize this is kind of
like the, the beginning of, of my journey, you know, the
beginning of, of what we're doing kind of in the Wellness
space. And so being able, I think to
have, you know, people you can trust and pharmacies you can
trust is important for midlife women too.
I mean, my, my client population, your client
population, It's not like 23 year old gym Bros that are fine,
you know, doing some of those things.
They're like, you know, midlife moms are like, I don't like
needles. Yeah, it's so true.
It's so true. And it's funny when I told my
son, my 20 year old son down in Tampa, FL, that I, you know, I'm
doing peptides. He's because he understands bro,
you know, gym culture. So it was.
It's very funny. Mine too, that is, yeah, 100%.
So I'm interested here. So you, you know, started using
these on your own, You were getting some great results.
How did you start in introducing them to your clients?
So it's I am like you're getting me like just in the process of
it. So here's what I would say like
and really why I, when my friend kind of introduced me.
I mean, I have probably right now 40% of my clients are on a
GLP, which is I mean that that three years ago didn't exist,
right. So I have one particular client
who's based in San Diego and her it's before I had kind of dove
into peptides at all and her doctor started to suggest a low
dose trespatide. So as we work together, I mean,
she was lifting weights. She's my age.
So she's like at 50 years old at the time.
And actually she was 49 at the time, really like working to
feel her best by 50. She called it her BB50.
So her best by 50, right? She's got a great personality.
So we worked in all the strength training.
We worked on the diet, we worked on the protein, we worked on how
to eat in a way that again serves her while she's on the
medication. Let that I think I I learned so
much from that client. But yeah, so I start to have all
these clients on GLPS and if they come to me, a lot of them
not necessarily that particular one, but would come to me and
they don't know like their doctor didn't say anything about
nutrition, they didn't say anything about lifting weights.
They didn't stay say anything about lifestyle or anything like
that. And so I had to like dive deep
and understand what they're, you know, what they are experiencing
and what I need to do to support them.
Well, then when I start on a GLP, and now I'm looking at some
of my clients, right, who are in their 50s and I have started to
carefully bring it up. And you know, I don't know, I'd
be, I'd love to hear your experience.
I do get some some clients, this is not something that they are
comfortable exploring and I always want to meet a client
right where they're at. There was one particular client
who I really wanted to bring it up to and I was getting ready to
do so and then she brought it up.
It's really like varying, and I think that by doing it by
hosting a workshop and doing kind of a 101, I think that is
going to really expand the conversation.
And, and, you know, I think there are some coaches that
really focus on just the GLPS. I want to focus on the kind of
the main ones, especially the ones that like Ellie.
Yeah, sells. And so I, I'm going to like
introduce them to all. And I, I would believe that
there's going to be some folks on the call who are going to be
like, oh, I didn't realize GOP was a peptide.
I think we're going to see that too.
I think I report back to me. I want to hear about this.
I will some of the questions. And.
Yeah, so and I do, I think that it's going to be, you know, the
right thing for some people, it's not going to be the right
thing for others. And I think the more that I
read, the more that I learn, the more that I repeat, listen to
your training. I think it's the injection that
makes it so different. I would say yeah.
Yep, 100%. I was just interviewing Doctor
Jeff Gross right before you and we were talking about those
different methods of injection. I asked him, you know, are the
buccal strips or the, you know, oral formulations like
transdermal, like how do those add up?
And he said actually have a graphic I made to show you how
subpar those delivery methods are over injection.
So I'm waiting to get that. Hopefully I'll be able to have
it here. And I'm going to share it
because I I, you know, know that women are scared of needles.
A lot of people are. But the efficacy of injectables
is just so much more robust than any other form, which is, you
know, take it for what it's worth.
And again, I mean, I don't know about you, but how many years
have you know you had a client maybe try a supplement that they
saw advertised, right? And it's like what I've been
doing, I'm spending $150.00 a month on this one supplement.
I've been doing it for three months and nothing.
That's what the difference I think with peptides, right,
Because it is, it's not, it doesn't necessarily be, you
know, it's not necessarily immediate, but it's within
weeks. I mean, again, yeah, just
complete difference compared to, you know, experience with
supplements. For sure, you know that they are
working, you know they're working.
It's funny cuz you brought up, you know, some of your clients
really hadn't heard of peptides and, and you know, weren't,
weren't aware of what's kind of going on in the functional
Wellness phase that I've got one of my all time favorite clients,
Anna, she's lost like over £50 just naturally just doing the
things we'd normally do in our practice.
She's a hard the ass worker and she was probably like 3 or 4
weeks ago. We get on a call and she's like,
Jennifer, I'm mad at you. You've been holding out on me.
I've been listening to your podcast.
Why am I not on peptides? I'm like, Anna, I wanted you to
do it naturally first. Like I want you to see that your
body can do these things, you know, given the right
foundations. She's like, well, let's start me
on peptides. I'm like, OK, let's do it.
Let's. And you know what, like that is
likely only going to enhance the incredible work that she's
doing. But I, I feel the same way.
I mean, I, I was on a call with Chris today and I think he's a
candidate, but he is doing so great.
I just want him to keep moving forward in the work that he's
doing. And then, you know, maybe have
that conversation when when he's maybe plateaued and he's kind of
done everything that his he's been able to do so.
Almost the accelerator, but I mean this is something I've seen
too. And this is something, you know,
that that I've had to work through, work through with a
couple of my clients. When you are doing the things
right, the foundations, right, you've dialed in your nutrition
and your exercise and your lifestyle and your body's
humming along and you are losing weight and you are reducing
inflammation, you know, adding in peptides, it's not going to
be like an accelerator button, right?
It's going to be something that enhances the work that you're
doing. But especially if you've been on
a weight loss journey already, it's not like you're going to
lose like, you know, 5 pounds, 10 lbs within a month or two.
This is just doing that deeper metabolic work of, you know,
working on your glucose and your insulin levels, reducing
inflammation at a cellular level, enhancing your
mitochondria. And so I think it's important
that women and men understand that that it's not, it's not
like the, you know, ejector seed of weight loss is like adding a
GLP one, especially if you've been optimizing your journey.
Do you feel like that's something you've seen too,
Jenny? Yeah, I think, I think exactly
so, yeah, Yeah, I think that the hardest part is to seeing the
ones who start on a GLP, they don't have the foundations.
Then they come to me and then we've got, we've got a lot of
work to do, you know, to get build muscle up to, you know,
course correct how they eat. And yeah, and you can see, you
can see some of the muscle loss like in their face.
And yeah, that's the hardest thing, I think.
Yeah, for sure. And it's why it's so important
to have coaches like you out there that are drilling into the
things that need to happen first before the body is going to feel
safe enough or, you know, or be optimized enough to lose weight
appropriately. And it's why I love, you know,
getting to work with doctors who do micro dosing or low dosing.
What we don't you know, have a acceptable range for micro
dosing particularly, but a low dose, you know that's not
killing your appetite of a GOP1, right?
Well, and yeah, yeah, there's there's a naturopath who I just
adore and we share. She had sent a patient of hers
to me and we're doing all the things and she's in her 50s.
And this naturopath, she goes, we talk back and forth, she
goes. Jenny, I do think that it would
be time for her to consider a low dose until in Ohio, a
naturopathic Dr. can't do that. So you have to go to an NP or a
functional NP or you know, so she the, the the client was not
open to it when the naturopath had the conversation.
And then I don't know what happened, but I had my session
with her and at the end that she goes, Jen, I'm doing all, I
mean, you could just feel the pain, right?
I'm doing all the things I have completely changed how I eat,
how I move, how I breathe, my minerals, everything.
So I said, let me, let me just bring this up to you and just
see if this is something that you want to explore.
And she was like, maybe I do. So it was like, so I think like
it has to be the right time. They have to be kind of in the
right space to go, OK, maybe this is the tool, maybe it's
time to introduce the tool. So.
Yeah, it's definitely a leap in thought because like you brought
up with supplements, there's so many things that women have
tried for so long that just don't work.
They don't or they? Don't.
And they spend all the money and all the effort, Yeah.
And. And it's their hopes up so high.
So yeah, so, so after I tried the GLP, Jennifer, I, I then
tried GHKCU. OK, girl.
So again, I'm so I'm 50 and I, I wanted the skin and the hair and
I never had again. I, I know, you know, with higher
dose GLP, there could be hair loss, whatever.
So I thought, let's just lock it in, right.
So, yeah, so that was so I felt like I could see a little bit
more collagen in my face. I think, you know, you age right
here, your face, your hands. So I could definitely tell a
little bit of a change and like I'm cycling it.
So now I'm off of it now, but it does sting a little bit.
So what Yeah, you know, but it's and I found I think it's also
kind of where you inject it can make a difference on on the
stinging. But I did that for a while and
now I am trying Tessamerellin and Ipamerellin blend.
And what do you think? So I have never slept like I'm
sleeping right now and I'm at a pretty low dose.
I think I started right where, you know, it was recommended to
me and then I'm, I think that was a little bit too high.
So I went down and then sleep has been incredible.
And then muscle tone where I've never had muscle tone,
especially in my upper body, like back and arms.
So that's my yeah, that's my current peptide that I'm playing
with as well. That is a super fun one.
And when you think about the complaints of most midlife
women, yes, it's weight, right? But it's also, I'm losing muscle
mass even though I'm working out and haven't changed anything
with my diet or my exercise. And then sleep is huge.
And so, yeah, to be able to optimize those two things, of
course, like with the foundations that you're doing, I
think is incredible. Yeah, I think, I think, you
know, and you know, like, I think sleep is the biggest
thing. So it's like, you know, a little
bit of weight loss, sleep inflamate.
Like if we can give folks, you know, give women especially
tools to be able to support that, I think it's like just
huge. So again, I want to be in a
careful way, like using Ellie, like losing the right.
But I want to try these things. I want to try some of these
peptides so that I can share my experience.
And yeah, and I've got others on my list after I cycle off that
one. And I do think Semarella is
probably going to be more of my sweet spot now that, you know,
I've like, again, you know, read up, listen to you, listen to
you. And the Testimorella and
ephemeral and blend might be a little too strong.
So I'm just going very light on that and doing maybe fewer days
during the week and then going off of it for the weekend, but.
Yeah. But actually was my next
question is what prompted you to choose Tuppa and Tessa and IPA
over summer Ellen? And did you happen to notice any
of that water weight retention when you started?
So I have not and I even ordered no caffeine water pill out like
as on standby because when I listen to you and I thought,
yeah, I don't, I don't want to gain that that inflammation
back. I have not noticed that at all.
So and I've noticed again, great sleep.
But yeah, I, I feel, I can't even explain it.
Jennifer, I feel a little bit different like and so and I
like, I like the muscle tone. I so I, I backed off on the dose
and why did I choose that over semarellan?
I think I just got, I started with LEMD.
I got really excited and so I, I dove in, uh, looking back, I
think I would start with semarellan.
And now what I'm learning right is that you could alternate to
keep those receptors really. Like you could alternate and I
could keep the IPA Tessa like lower and then yeah.
And I think I I know now that I would start pretty low with the
semarellan too, but. Fun, OK, very thoughtful.
And that's what my husband Bo does.
He'll he'll kind of cycle those two back and forth.
But he says the same thing, I think.
I mean, it was probably a couple weeks ago.
He's sitting on the couch after eating pizza, and he looks down
at his belly. He's like, you know what I love
about Tessmerel and Epamerel? And I can eat pizza and my belly
fat keeps going down. I was like, screw you, Bo.
Men are like it's crazy. It like yes, well, and so side
note, so my husband like I I was really quiet, you know, for I
didn't say much. Now he knows I'm all in.
I've got like my father-in-law on, on the BPC 157.
I mean, I'm doing all the things, but now my, my husband
is kind of getting interested and he's not like he's scared of
needles. So yes.
So we're, we're gonna see where that goes.
But I think it could really, there's some that could really
support him. So I'm excited too.
Yeah, we got to stay in touch about that, Jenny, because I
feel like I've always said, like Beau is really kind of like a a
minimalist in a lot of areas of his life.
Like he doesn't do a lot, yeah. So is Jeff.
Same thing, yeah. And man, if that guy isn't all
in, I don't know who is. Yeah.
And again, I think that when you try them, you do go all in
because you do you feel better. And I again with the sleep, I've
never slept where my head hits the pillow.
And the next time that I wake up is to my alarm.
Like that is, and I don't know about you, but like there's like
some winning Wellness moments, but that is like I'm like it my
alarm. I didn't wake up once.
I didn't. It's crazy.
Oh, that is biggest blessing. Biggest, yes, it's huge.
OK, so were you having sleep issues before that?
Were you just kind of a lighter sleeper?
So I, so I'm kind of a person that I don't, I don't want to
like focus on the bad, But if you ask me how my sleep was, I
probably was like, it's good. But if I really thought through
it, I was probably getting up to just use the restroom or like
twice a night, maybe sometimes 3 * a night.
I would go right back to bed. So it wasn't it wasn't like that
I'm an early go to bed early wake up person.
But now that I am sleeping through the whole night, you
feel really differently the next day.
And we know like, your body metabolizes food like
differently, like you eat fewer calories if you sleeping through
the night. There's all sorts of benefits.
So I yeah, it's just a huge win, I think.
In life, right Yes, yes, give me all the.
Sleep, please. All the sleep.
This is actually something that
Doctor Gross and I were just talking about beforehand, too.
We said, Jennifer, you know, why do we sleep?
Is it because we're tired? And I could sense a rhetorical
question coming. So I said, well, no.
And he said no. It's to repair and to
regenerate. And so to not have that time,
that concentrated time for people to be in.
Deep sleeper R.E.M. to be able to repair and regenerate in
midlife, man, we see why, you know, skin starts to sag and
muscle mass tends to go down and weight tends to go up and
inflammation starts to go up. And so like you said, you know,
kind of primarily dialing in that sleep can be a huge benefit
to set off the rest of that cascade of positive effects for
for women in midlife. Yeah, I agree.
I mean, I almost, I mean Doctor Frank Lippman out of New York
Functional Medicine, I mean he says that it's like food and
sleep. Like those are like it.
It is like because it affects everything, right?
Absolutely, absolutely. So OK, so we got your sleep
dialed in, We got your inflammation and weight dialed
in. Walk me through a day in the
life of Jenny Perrin. Like what does it look like with
regards to food, exercise, you know, intentional living
supplements, peptides. Yeah, well, so I am an early
morning workout person, so I I go to bed like I go to bed at
like 8:30 because yeah, it's pretty amazing.
I can go to bed like in any in the middle of anything.
And yeah, so I go to bed very early.
I wake up at about 4/30, 5:00 in the morning, depending on the
day. And then I go straight to a yoga
class. So I'm in the Midwest.
It's cold here right now. We're having like crazy wind
weather. So I just like, yes, I do my
electrolyte, I get coffee and I put a little bit of my collagen
in and then I go off to yoga. I do that's like my, my time and
it's like a 1520 minute drive. So that's like my audiobook,
podcast, whatever, and it's all Wellness now.
It's peptides. So it's all peptides.
But yeah, I come back and I've got clients all day.
I probably like you, Jennifer, like I sit a lot throughout the
day. So any chance and I've got the
clash of winter, right? So we're still, you know, spring
is a long 1 here in the Midwest. So I'm sitting almost all day
long. So lots of water.
I eat breakfast, you know, before I start in on my work
day. And then I try to get up and get
outside and move as much as possible between clients.
Very easy to do in the summer and the fall, harder to do in
the spring and the and the winter.
But getting my feet on ground and my eyes in sunlight is
really tricky. And so I have like a grounding
mat. I know it's cheating.
I have a grounding mat. I try to like when I walk my
daughter sometimes to the bus stop.
I can get a little bit of it's not sun.
It's like a glare here. Yeah.
So I do that. And then lunch.
I mean, I usually I'm a meal prepper on the weekend.
So a lot of again, my meals have changed a little bit with a
little bit of added starch. But like this weekend, I make
like a big old frittata with tons of vegetables and eggs.
And then I do like a big, you know, chicken, chili, whatever.
I have like a few things that I can head into the week with food
that I can heat up. So I've got my my lunch and then
my evenings are driving. My daughter, she's a competitive
dancer. So yes, so that's what I am
again, sitting in a car trying to get out, get little walks in
while she's at dance and coming home and trying to get a little
bit of a walk in. I do have like one of those
vibration plates that's also like kind of fun.
I don't just to kind of like move your body.
So if I can't like run out and do a walk, I'll do that.
And then 2-3 times a week I'll, I'll like pop out.
My trainer is like right around the corner from me.
So I'll train with her. I'll lift.
She kicks my butt. I got to do it in about a couple
hours here. So I fit that in wherever I can
do it. And then yeah.
And I just try to pass everything that I do that could
support somebody else to not only my clients, but I have a 14
year old daughter too. So I'm happy to say that my son
who went to college down in Tampa meal preps and, you know,
goes and he gets his sweet potato and his ground beef or
ground chicken and he's like banana.
Like he's got all the things and honey and like real food.
And so even if he eats a little Chipotle, it's uh, yeah, he's
still eating some real whole food too.
So. Oh.
Way to go, Baba. I love that.
And you know what I love most about what you were saying,
Janet, You're being very real, right?
You're like, I sit a lot of the day.
I, you know, have to meal prep. I have to put myself to bed
early because I want to get up and work out because I know I'm
going to have a whole day, you know, working and driving my
kids around. I have children I have to take
care of. So you really are, you're living
the life that so many of us are living.
You know, we got to do shit. So being able to you know, like,
yeah, having having these like parameters take good care of
myself. The peptides are just a bonus.
I think it's it's very relatable.
Yeah, I love that. Well, and there's something that
you. Say, Jennifer, and it's like,
you know, we can't like go to a three.
I mean, we can go to a three day retreat every once in a while,
but like pretty much, you know, on an on the norm.
We're not like getting away to do like some like, you know,
yeah, retreat. So it really is about like
making the space to be able to care for yourself.
And I think so many of us do sit for our jobs.
If I can figure out a way to truly engage and take notes and
everything, not sitting like that's going to be like the day
that you know, that I'm thrilled to, you know, to do that.
But also like I eat in front of my clients.
Like I sometimes if I do have to do a smoothie, I'm not the
biggest smoothie fan, but like for me, but if I have to do a
smoothie, like I'm going to eat it if I'm doing yogurt or
something. Because I think we need to
normalize just taking care of our bodies in whatever way that
fits within our lifestyle. That's not like too intrusive to
other people, right? Absolutely, absolutely.
I know my podcast. Manager always looks for sound
bites in these podcasts. That is a good one.
I love it. Just normalizing, you know,
making sure that that we're living as healthy a lifestyle as
we possibly can within the parameters that are set for us
by this culture that we live in. You know, you're right.
We can't just give up on all of it.
We have to find a way to make it work for for us and our
families. Yeah, for sure.
I I have clients who. Are like Jenny, I'm gonna walk
when we talk I'm the one taking the notes and sharing resources
so I'm like girl go that makes me so happy so do it I I think
we we figure out yeah ways to do that and then we can we can just
take better care of ourselves Yep and and pushing it forward.
To the next generation like you talked about, you have a 14 year
old daughter, you have a 20 year old son.
Your 20 year old son is meal prepping.
Your 14 year old daughter sees you doing all the things you
know to, to take good care of your, your health.
I kind of find it funny you brought up your vibration plate
and my 14 year old just had a birthday party or he had eight
boys spend the night and lo and behold, what is going on till
3:00 in the morning? 214 year old boys on either side
of the vibration plate like, you know, going, uh, I mean, of
course they, of course they would.
Think that's hilarious? I mean, my daughter thinks it's
hilarious. So yes.
I also have like the rebounder, right, the yoga mat.
And so like, you know, you, you have an indoor, you know,
trampoline. Of course I do because it's
great to like move your body. I live in the Midwest, so it's
winter here. Sometimes you got to keep
moving. Great life hacks from Jenny.
You guys take notes of all these things.
They are just such a great tools for you to really optimize
health, you know, as a midlife woman and so beautiful.
Jenny, got to ask, what's up next on your peptide wish list?
Yeah, I think up next. And I mean these are super
common ones, but I NAD and BPC 157 so I haven't tried.
I haven't tried either and so I'm probably my next one is BPC
just because of the NAD. I know the benefit to
mitochondria. I feel like I have just such
good consistent energy that I'm not like there yet to need it.
But I know there's incredible benefits.
So I'm excited to see if the BPC 157 just helps me recover a
little bit better from workouts because sometimes mine are
back-to-back simply because that's the schedule, you know,
that I, I either get it in or I don't get it in.
So I'm kind of excited about that.
And I do have like a little hip stuff.
So that is something that excites me for sure, for sure.
So fun. OK, Jenny, are there any closing
thoughts you have on peptides and and kind of our client
population, you know, midlife women?
Yeah, I think, I think like this.
The biggest thing is one start with caring for yourself.
Like the small little choices you make each day with what you
put in your coffee with you know how you eat.
What is the plan like heading into the next day knowing what
you're going to eat so you're not just like winging it and
dialing in, right, the strength training especially or either
losing muscle or we're maintaining it and hopefully
building it right? So I think having those like
core foundations in place, that's number one.
Number two, Oh my gosh. If you're, if it makes sense and
like labs look good, let's move forward.
Let's try some, yeah, some peptides.
I think that this is going to be huge and I've already felt the
benefits. And so I really, I want to share
it with everyone. You're sharing it with everyone.
I just want to build on that. So just really excited to learn,
be able to experience it and then share with others.
So fine and I can tell your. Passion for the subject and the
love that you have for what you do and for your clients and just
really love that self experimentation too yeah I mean
have you there's a meme. I'm sure you've.
Seen it and it's like the world is exploding behind us but like
I want to tell you about peptides like that might be us
I. Mean it just because.
I really like that is just, it's not that I'm not, I'm not
ignoring. I'm just like, yes, this is
something that you can do for yourself, right?
So, and if if we're doing good and then, you know, if mom is
happy, everyone's happy. True.
So, so true. People they're, you know, in
what can seem like a very hopeless world sometimes there
is a little bit of hope for some of the small things that we can
control. Yes, yes, yes.
OK. Jenny, where can people find
out? More about you Yeah.
So let's see my website. Is shift life with Jenny and
Instagram and Facebook? But Instagram is where I I
mainly post lots of stuff. So at shift life Jenny Perrin
perfect and give her a follow hello over on.
Social media, you guys, Jenny is a wealth of knowledge about what
to do for women in midlife to really feel their best.
SO Jenny, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your
knowledge and your expertise with us today and thank you for
your time. Thank you and so grateful for
you and all. The great content you're putting
out there and peptides for practitioners, really grateful
for that. I love it.
Thank you. I'm so happy you like.
That that course has been really, really fun for us to do.
So I appreciate you, Jenny, and thanks to everyone who tuned in
today. Thank you for listening to the
Peptides for Women podcast. We'll see you next time.