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OK, now let's get into it. Welcome back to the Peptides for
Women podcast. I'm Jennifer Woodward, pretty
damn excited to welcome Trevor Cruder to the show today.
He is the CEO of Alpha BioMed Labs, a leading US manufacturer
of five O 3A and five O 3B compliant peptides, and owner of
Riz Pharma and Primal Medical Pharmacies.
Trevor's personal healing journey is the foundation of his
mission. He fully recovered from a severe
bicep tear in six months using BPC 157 and TB500, avoiding
surgery entirely, and helped extend his mother's life far
beyond a terminal cancer prognosis through targeted
peptide and immune protocols. He brings deep research insight
and a bold vision for peptide science to address complex
health challenges. Currently booked on multiple
July shows discussing Pharmacy Advisory Committee meetings to
advanced official peptide classification, Trevor combines
manufacturing excellence, pharmacy ownership, regulatory
advocacy, and authentic healing experience to become the trusted
guide for women seeking real results.
Dang Trevor, welcome to the show.
Well, that was quite the intro. I mean, you're quite the guy I
was. I was going to say, I mean,
that's yeah, you got about 1/4 of it there.
You can keep going if. You want?
I'm just kidding. OK, OK.
All right, it's so funny. We have so much stuff like in
the shadows of of this industry that people don't know about
when we were just, you know, jibber jabber before this
started. But yeah, it's pretty crazy.
But like how how deep the the tentacles go through this thing,
huh? Well, 12 years at least in the
industry probably gets your tentacles sunk deep just because
it's been evolving so rapidly. Yeah, you know, and a lot of
people when they got in this industry as a money grab and
even to this day, and I think that's what gives it the some of
the people with the bad rap obviously is the people that are
just trying to make quick. And a lot of it's like the weed
guys, like the weed industries over the vape industries over.
Right. Yeah.
So it's like, where do they go next?
They got all this money that they accumulate.
Oh, I'll get into peptides. And, you know, people call me to
come walk their facilities, like, yeah, why do you come take
a look? And I walk in these things and I
go, oh, yeah, you're going to prison.
You know, you are not allowed to make anything here.
So it's it's it's pretty funny. But no, the the guys have been
doing a long time. Me and a handful of others.
Yeah. We trying to do it the right way
and helping, you know, do that through government regulation.
And we want to be regulated the more like in the right way, you
know, because it just makes everybody, it's that warm, make
it for everybody. Then they, they feel a little
safer. So we're big advocates of that.
I feel like that's an unusual viewpoint 1.
I don't hear a lot. So explain that a little bit
more for me, why FDA approval matters too and what that
process looks like? Yeah, I mean, this is a thing in
in any business. You go through the handful of
these products that really you sit there and go, what are the
what are they really for? You know, you have legit scripts
that you have to have when you telemessa, because I don't own a
number of telemedicine companies.
And what is it? Well, it's just a money grab to
make sure that you feel good so that we can market our company.
And they know they put a stamp on you saying that, you know,
you, you buy from a pharmacy or whatever, but it's not actually
a government regulated piece. And then you go through, you
know, serve safe for if you're a server and you work in Las Vegas
and then you have, you know, mandatory harassment training
every two years in California. And that's, so there's always,
FDA is another branch of that. And FDA, what they do is they
give people that comfortness that, oh, the FDA said that it's
OK, so we can do it. But the FDA, I think we talked
to you before, is for marketing purposes, what you're allowed to
say, not necessarily are they looking out for your best
interests. The FDA is the ones that
approved red dye #5 and all the cancer providing fake sugars and
all the nasty seed oils and all the chemicals that go into your
food. Those are all FDA approved.
And the what they do is they just say this is what you have
to do if you're going to use this.
It's not for safety, it's not for your benefit.
But that's what people have in their head is that that's what
it is. The research world, which is
where everything you've ever taken in your life, from
ibuprofen to Cialis to antibiotics.
Antibiotics, I mean, yeah, progesterone, all that went
through a research state, which is where the peptide world has
lived because they're non patentable.
So these big pharmaceutical companies are going to come in
and spend, you know, 50 or $100 million going through 5 to 10
years of trial work so that they basically do all the work and
everybody gets to use the product.
So that's where they've kind of lived for 60-70 years in this
this weird market. But you know, they are, you
know, natural sources. They are real products.
They have 70, some of them 7080 years of research.
Insulin is a peptide and growth hormone is a peptide.
These are pieces that you, your body uses.
And we now know about all these other ones.
And there's about 70 on the mainstream like list.
Now. About 30 of those are what most
people use, but there's forty others that are really coming
through with some really great data.
And yeah, we, we, we're kind of in this limbo land that people
just don't want to spend the money to push them through these
FDA processes. I'm a little different.
I spend 10 plus $1,000,000 a year doing IR, BS and vesicle
research studies I do IN DS, which are, you know, basically
I'm trying to apply for a new drug.
We do ANDAS, which is the actual application in for a drug once
we go through Ind and IRB. But we we know we're doing that
on products that we're basically going to give away to the
community. But we want to prove the safety.
We want to get these things onto an approved list so everybody
feels better about taking them even though they're safe now.
It's the source of where you get them.
Is what's important not product in a lot of these cases.
Or what they're filled with. What what?
What else is in that vile? Yeah.
And you know what? This is a thing, You know, this
is something that most people don't know.
So the Chinese market, you know, we're really fighting against
the Chinese. All this Chinese product is
coming in. In China, peptides are illegal.
Okay, So manufactured bottles of little vials of peptides are
illegal. That's all black market in
China. So when someone here illegally
imports those vials, they're illegally importing from a
criminal in China. Now, the raw materials that we
buy the, you know, we call them APIs, those are allowed to be
manufactured, They're just not allowed to be finalized and they
can ship those anywhere in the world based on the approval.
So we source from all over the world.
China's just the largest manufacturer because it's a very
dirty process to manufacture these products, the base
materials, and we don't want all those chemicals in that
pollution. In the United States, there's
very small margins in the bulk process, very large margins in
the put it together formulated and get it out to the masses.
So we can work for 1% profit and destroy our environment or we
can work for the other 99 cleanly.
And the US has just taken that stance.
But when you bring those finalized products, and that's
the illegal part, but a lot of those products are even being
made in FDA facilities after hours and being, you know, sold
under the table. And China's trying to stop them
too, because they're not making their money on them.
I think that some people are going to have an issue with
something that you just said. So I want to draw a distinction
that you had given me before we hopped on to record.
You said that, you know, we're doing a lot of this API
manufacturing in China, and it's a really dirty process.
But you said the reason that we're in China doing so is
because China uses a lot cleaner energy, a lot of nuclear energy,
where the United States isn't quite there yet.
We're relying on fossil fuels. Correct.
So imagine you're just compounding the pollutant piece
of that. So certain countries know that
they have a wheelhouse that they can jump into and they can do
things more efficiency more effectively.
They have cheaper labor. They have a large population
that can build. And they have cities, massive
cities that nobody live in that are just ready to populate when
they need to. And they're one of the first
countries that went all clean. And there's other countries that
India is doing that. Some of the countries in the
Middle East that are know that their oil reserves are going to
end up going. They're already investing
heavily into clean energies and there's clean energy well beyond
nuclear that are out there. That's a whole different
podcast. But you know, they've, they've
built this infrastructure and they're ready to go.
They're using it. We don't.
So not only is the process of making these raw materials is
very, you know, going to heavy pollution, but then the fact
that we're going to do that on an, you know, an old, an
antiquated style of actually producing energy.
We're just doubling up the pollution in our country.
So we just really aren't set up to do it because we looked into
doing. That's the only piece of the
entire process that we don't do. We don't produce the raw
materials now in bulk. We do in some of our facilities
make everything from scratch. We don't buy any API.
So that means we buy all those little base aminos and we string
them together and we, you know, we bond hydrogen or we cover
them in cyclodextrin or whatever.
Like we do these different we're chemists, we're scientists,
we're making these products and making them better, but we do
everything from scratch. But to do that in a process
where you can make manufacture for the masses is very, very
dirty. Very interesting.
All right, there's something else I want to go back to just
because this this is the first I've heard of so much of this.
And I think there's peptide wars, right?
People are like China, like why are we sourcing all of our
products from China? What's going on with these
research peptides? You know, you need a, you need a
compounding pharmacy for peptides.
But really what I've been learning over the last couple
months is all of these APIs, all of these, you know, these
products are being made in the same places.
So you, you telling us that, you know, yes, USA little bit, but
mostly China. A lot of what we're injecting
ourselves with be at research or compounding pharmacy comes from
the same place. Is this true?
It's all the same if you're doing correctly.
So I own research facilities. I own 5O3A, which is a
compounding pharmacy for patient specific medications, which is
where you get them. Now if you're getting them from
a pharmacy, I own 5O3B, which is a shortlisted supply drug
manufacturing facility that's FDA regulated and the five O 3A
is state regulated by the pharmaceutical board. 5 O 3B is
federally regulated, OK. And then I own drug
manufacturing and the drug manufacturing scales between FDA
approved drug manufacturing and then DEA scheduled drug
manufacturing. So for instance, something like
an antibiotic, it's just an FDA approved drug to manufacture.
So if it's off of patent, I can manufacture that in a drug
manufacturing facility and I can sell it to hospitals to
whatever, right? If I want to do testosterone,
though, testosterone is a scheduled DEA Level 3, so I have
to have a license to produce that.
So we have different variations of licensing in our facilities
to produce certain products, but I do all of it.
There's not a single part of that chain in any way, shape or
form that I don't touch in my company.
So, but yeah, if you want to know what goes into your thing
you get from the pharmacy down the street or the one that comes
from the research facility, we make research, same exact API.
So where are you eating your peptides?
The base materials or where do I get my peptides?
Where what the things that you inject daily?
From me, I obviously I produced them for myself.
Right. OK.
So you're not necessarily going through a 503A or 503B pharmacy?
Some of them I do because they're, that's the only way you
can do them. So for instance, you know, in a
503 a, the only things that are technically legally approved
right now are things like human growth hormone, tessimerone,
sermirellin, things like that, right?
You can't even do HCG because that is considered a biologic.
So that has to come from a drug manufacturer site to do that,
like a 503B. So when I make something in bulk
for research, I might make 30,000 vials at once all through
machines that calculate and make sure every single bottle is
fractionally off when I say fractionally off within 1% of 1%
of 1%. So you're going to get 30,000
vials that we can test in groups.
Like we'll take like a bottle from each rack when you do it
because the racks go into these large lyophilizers and when they
come out, they're sealed in a bottle that is stable for 7/10,
sometimes forever. If you keep it in a freezer, it
will never go bad. We know that all the bottles are
the same or virtually identical. We know that they're sterile.
We know that they don't have any endotoxin because we test for
all that. There have been so many, you
know, anecdotal stories and even I've heard Jay Campbell say on a
podcast that 75% of research peptides are tainted.
Basically, they're not what they say they are.
They're constituted poorly. They've got polysaccharides or
something in them. And so I think a lot of people
are, are legitimately nervous about, you know, sourcing their
own peptides for sure. Nobody knows.
Nobody knows what company to pick.
Well. And that, and that is true.
So like when you look at something like that, I, I, I
don't know if that number is as high as it is.
And Jay Campbell's a personal friend.
We have an 8 part series being released.
So I know Jay, he's he's my brother, but he is correct.
If you just go by from the dude at your gym, that's like, I got
peptides. Like I said, I have walked into
so many people's facilities that just, they pop these things up
in a building and they just go, Oh yeah, I can make peptides, I
buy the API, I mix it, I put it in a vial.
Boom. No, I mean we're talking like
when you build these facilities, they cost 10s if not hundreds of
millions of dollars to do it correctly so that you don't get
an infection, that they are done correctly.
You walk into like you walk into one of my facilities and clean
rooms, ISO 5 clean rooms. That means there is no particles
of anything. It's how many times the air
circulates. So when you look up the entire
ceiling is just filters, you're constantly airflow and you use
smoke studies because if you have air that's horizontal, that
means you can't walk in front of that air in front of an open
vial because something could blow off of you into that vial.
If you have topical air, like if you have the air coming
circulating down, then you can never put your hand over a vial.
No one thinks of this in these little crack shacks that they
open up and then they go, Oh yeah, I've won.
I have a filter over there. No, no, no, no.
You need about 80 of those in a room, not one.
And then gounding when you gound, it's a 30 minute process.
If you're going into sterile injectable, your hands can never
drop you alcohol, everything, when you put them on, your
entire body is covered. You like you look like something
that you're going to clean up, you know, toxic waste.
When you get in there, hands are always like this.
You're running around like you're in a surgery because you
can't drop them because that's not allowed.
So you're in there, that's how you walk in the other facilities
and they're with their bare hands, they're filling stuff,
talking, spitting in your shit, like, yeah, it's gross.
So you need to make sure it's the supplier, not the product.
So that's why when you go through 503 A, you think, oh,
safe, it's a, it's a pharmacy, but there's a bunch of crap
pharmacies out there too. I'd say 30% of the 503 A's
should be shut down probably. Based on what?
They're just dirty, they don't follow protocols.
I thought they have to be like random third party inspected no?
No, that's the difference. So you don't even have to test
your stuff at 5:00. 503 B is different. 503B is very highly
regulated. Like we have QAQCFDA on staff 24
hours a day. Out of 503B.
Every batch AT-503-B503A man you can like.
Depending on where you're at, you may never get inspected,
ever. They'll walk through, give you
your license, you'll never see an inspector again.
Interesting. Learn it.
Learn it a lot today. I know don't don't get scared
about them. Yeah, you know, I got to tell
people what really is going on so they can have an education.
There are really good companies. Jay's company by a longevity
labs the where he makes his peptides.
I make some, he makes some other places all made in GMP fashion,
which means the right way to do it in real facilities.
They're manufactured. But yeah, if you don't, if
there's no, you don't know where these people are getting.
They're either buying them from China and relabeling them or
they're a lot of them are hack shacks like I was telling you,
like I walk in, I look around, I go shut this thing down.
This is you're gonna kill somebody.
So how does how does one find a reputable?
I mean, we're still talking like a research great, right?
Like. Yeah, research is the same as
it. I mean, you look at people that
have been around a long time. Yeah, that's usually a test of
time. You want to make sure that they
are doing the tests and not just potency, impurity, make sure
that they're doing endotoxin sterility testing.
That's usually because it's way more expensive, it's way more
intuitive. You know, you when you do a
sterility test takes two weeks, right.
So a lot of people just skip it. But very important, yeah, it's,
you can't skip it in GMP, but people skip it in the research
world, right? Because you're not supposed to
be injecting a research product in yourself.
It's for research purposes, right?
So it's like, well, we don't care if it's sterile.
We just, we're showing you what's in the bottle.
Then that's technically correct for that.
That's all that is needed. In fact, it's not even really
needed. Yeah.
I was the guy that started that dumb process of third party
testing five years ago, six years ago.
Like we did it because the industry was riddled and there
was only about 9 manufacturers back there was like Swiss chems,
Peptide Sciences. We were those research, like
there's only a handful of US peptides.
So right, you got all these. There's only a few doing this in
the beginning. And we were making really high
quality. We're third party testing.
We were actually labeling the bottles with the exact
measurements of what was in there.
So we just said, hey, we're going to 3rd party test
everybody else and see where they're at.
And everybody failed. There's like one company that
was right with what they had. It wasn't that they were like,
it was full of like weird shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it was like low potencies, you know, 96% purity levels,
which is below standard. And we basically made everybody
start proving what they were doing.
Now everybody thinks that's what has to happen.
No, it's just it's a good thing that we started that because at
least you get some information on it.
But you know, we we spend millions and millions and
millions of dollars testing a. Year Alpha BioMed, Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, millions of dollars testing.
We have 6 analytical labs. I mean, clearly that's given you
some longevity and sing power in a space that people come and go
from every week. It seems to be money well spent.
Oh, well, this is OK. So I started my company 12 years
ago and it's the same thing, probably how you got it.
I was hurt or you're unhappy or you're just miserable with like,
you know, going through menopause, whatever it is that
brings you to trying a peptide. It's usually tragedy in some
way, shape or form. Most people don't get into like,
dude, so good. I'm going to start taking it out
now. Maybe now, but not if you did it
like over a year ago. Like it was like, Oh my God,
they're about to open me up. You know, I broke my neck.
I've, I ripped my bicep, I've ripped 2 shoulders, I ripped
knees. I mean, I I've had all sorts of
things, but I tore my biceps off and.
They wanted to do a really horrific surgery where I was
going to lose half my bicep. And I said, you know what, I'm
going to get a second opinion. That second opinion went to a
friend of mine who's named Dave. And I go, Dave, he was a big
human growth hormone guy. He was sound all the movie
stars. And I go, do you think human
growth hormone will help? And he goes, not really, but you
should try these peptides. What do you got to lose?
So I went to physical therapy and I don't know what the hell I
was injecting. I'm pretty sure it's BPC and TV
500 and HGH. Six weeks later, the damn thing
grows back on. I go to see the orthopedic
surgeon because he calls me like, come on in, like we're
going to do your surgery. And I go, I think it healed.
And he's like bullshit. I go on there and he looks, he
goes, holy crap. He goes, what do you do?
I go, I took these peptide things.
He goes, those really do work. And I looked over him.
I go, motherfucker, you knew about these and it wasn't you
know, but because there was no, he didn't know where to get
them. It wasn't like he tried to hold
something back, but I asked him what were my options.
He goes, you can do PRP and I'll just see you in six months.
But the reality is you're going to, the only way to prepare that
is to surgically. We're going to drill through the
bone and anchor it through the bone.
That was the surgery. And I'm like, well, it worked,
right? So that got my head turning.
So I started producing these things and for seven years I was
just losing money. I was just being a Cancer
Research facility, learning how to make things.
And we only knew about 9/10/20 back then.
It kept growing. And you know, everybody thought
I was absolutely nuts. And then I was just, they're too
good to be true. There's no way these things
work. If they did, everybody would
know. But no, they're all shunned.
They're all pushed away. They don't teach them in medical
school. Nothing, right?
Maybe an organic chemistry a little bit, but not in actual
medicine. They were never showing these
things and what the possibilities were.
But I kept making them. And then all of a sudden they
started catching on. And I built my business on
helping people because it wasn't a business.
I was just doing it for myself. And for when people needed
something, I'd try and help them.
So my goal in life is not to make a trillion dollars.
It's just, you know, cure 100 diseases before I die.
I don't give a shit about the money.
Like, I mean, I want to be comfortable, you know, I'm
having a child. I have, you know, I'm going to
marry a girl that has a three-year old.
Like I do need to have some financial security.
But I also, you know, when I was in Barbados scuba diving and I
saw the guy that owned WhatsApp, I think it is, I think it was
WhatsApp and he had six 250 foot mega yachts all parked behind
each other like big Dick in the entire Bay.
And I sit there and I go, sorry about my language and I go, who
the hell needs that? And I'm like, shame on you.
You know what you could do? Getting rid of that and doing
something better for humanity. And I feel, you know, you go out
and buy cool car, you're gonna love that car for a month and
then it's just your car in your garage and it's be great.
You know, it's a nice car, you're comfortable when a car is
safe. Those are all great things, but
they're like, oh, the new car feeling, the new car smell, it's
all gone in a month. But when I reflect back and I
know that I've saved millions of people's of lives, I cry all the
time, like to like the stories, the people that reach out like
that's what motivates me and I we'll continue.
And that's why I spend the money on the research when no one else
will. And that's why I, you know,
donate everything I can back. You know, I went to event the
other day, the, you know, Cancer Research.
I donated 105,000. That was 20% of what they earned
that night with 300 people there, you know, miracles for
kids half $1,000,000. And I just did, I'm doing a
program with the 500 families that there's 500 families and
miracles for kids is where the child has a disease that's
should be terminal. That family can't afford to do
it. So we step in, we house the
whole family. They take away all their bills,
we have cars, we got involved computers, everything don't
work. Take care of your family so
well. I'm providing all free
medication for all 500 families on me.
Like those are the things that make me happy.
So that's what I want to do in life is one at a time.
And we talked a little bit that we have all these human trial
studies. We're doing one on Clotho right
now. And do you know how kidney
function works at all? A little bit, a little bit.
So you, it's one of the few things it's like Alzheimer's.
We don't have anything to do with it, which Clotho also may
help with that work. That's next phase.
Alzheimer's or kidney function? Well, that's the thing, they're
both related. OK, so Clotho is your kidneys
and your brain and what it does, it breaks off that protein,
plaque and crap that gets stuck in there.
So when you have kidney function, there is no pill,
there's no drug. You basically your kidney
function starts going down and then you go on dialysis or you
get a swap or you die for the first time ever.
Your GFR is your rating. We are taking people.
We there's no way to get it to go back or there wasn't.
We're taking people from the 39 back to a 70.
I was a 42. I'm at a 55, so we're doing
human trial work on this product that shows that we may be able
to stop and end chronic kidney disease and kidney failure.
With Klotho. With Klotho.
Yeah. Are you telling me that that the
kidney the kidney starts developing like Tau proteins
like the brain? No, not necessarily, but I'm
saying, but it's a filter, so it gets clogged.
Yeah, you know, your kidney function deteriorates over time.
Every organ in your body, if it wasn't a perfect world, perfect
harmony is built for probably about 150 years.
So it doesn't matter how well you take care of yourself,
whatever, unless you can reverse aging, your hearts gonna go out
your kids. But The thing is nothing is
always built perfectly. And we drink alcohol and do
drugs and go out in the sun and burn the crap out of ourselves.
So you're going to, well, something's going to give out
first, right? So for me, kidneys and heart,
those are probably my two biggest ones because I weigh 250
lbs. I'm 3% body fat.
I'm way too heavy for what my heart is meant to, to do.
But you know, I'd rather live like this and die happy and to
80 then be a slug to 100. I don't care.
No, he says. Quality of life.
It's what I want.
It's that's the quality of life now, obviously now having a kid,
I say I got like blood reports, you know what's going on with
me, you know, But you know, there's just things.
So some people it's, you know, cancer is going to probably get
you eventually. But we could, we can figure out
these things. And if I tell you a story, how
about my CEO and how he came to work for me?
It is criminal what some of these companies do.
Let's hear it. OK, so he worked for a handful
of biotech companies. He worked out of one of the
Netherlands Galapagos, and they were working on a car teeth cell
therapy, which is we basically utilize the AIDS virus and
reprogram it to go after blood cancers.
So leukemia kills millions of children, horrible billions of
dollars spent every single year on this, this horrible cancer.
It had a 96% cure rate off of 1 injection.
What they made not, not, not putting you into, you know,
remission, not, you know, you know, oh, it's going to come
back. Kills it and kills it.
If you inject it in your body, you can inject a gallon of
leukemia into your bloodstream and it would just kill it off.
What's the sample size for this study?
Well, this No, no, This is a drug that was supposed to go to
market. Three people on that board
worked for another company that owned a $30 billion drug for
children's leukemia that didn't want to see that come off the
market, and they wrapped this company in a box, shut it down,
fired all 350 employees and canceled the drug.
So instead of saving millions of lives, they shut the whole
fucking project down and it's done.
It works. Fucking criminal.
That's what they want to do. So my mission is find it first,
patent it and give it away so they can't take it back.
Yeah, I'll make enough money. If I make $2.00 on curing
leukemia per dose, I still make a billion dollars, right?
I mean, think about it like yachts.
I don't even want them. I'll.
Just getting figure. Out something else, but you
don't. I mean like that you don't need
to charge what these companies charge and don't get.
It is very expensive to do this research that you do need money,
but some of it's just astronomically corrupted.
Well, absolutely. I think that's the way the
common person feels when they're trying to pay for some of these
drugs. And I think that that is one of
the allures of peptides is even though they can be sort of
expensive, they still are relatively affordable for the
outcomes that most people get from using them.
Do you know that we could cure? I can, if you, the government,
came to me and said, hey, how much do you think it would cost
to eliminate obesity on earth? 30 million bucks.
I could cure obesity worldwide. Give me 30 million bucks, that's
how cheap it is. That's not that much money,
Trevor. They're gonna make $4 trillion
on Reddit. True type.
So just so you know, I could do it for 30 million bucks, all
right? I literally can give everybody
that's obese on Earth three years worth of medication.
But sometimes I look around just knowing the experience I've had
and the experience so many people have had and I still see,
I mean, like, I live in California, I live in in Central
California and I look around, I'm like, why isn't everyone
taking? I don't understand.
I really don't understand why the ability to have a pretty
decent metabolism that's out there, it's pretty affordable.
So what do you think the the holding pattern is for a lot of
people? Injections.
People are still scared. Needles, huh?
You think that's it, They say. 70% people will never stick a
needle in themselves. I think that's gone down because
I thought it was 90%. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Five years ago. I mean, that was that was my
biggest thing, Everybody that was crazy because they're all
objections in the beginning, right?
So if you're like, this is never going to catch on, no one's
going to stick themselves. And I go, I think people will.
And sure enough, it's different than the horse needle that you
got to do with like testosterone.
Yes, out. Of the terrible needle.
Yes, you know, I get that. It's, I do it every three days.
It doesn't bother me anymore, right?
I've been doing it for years. But I mean, I remember the first
time I did do it, I passed out, hit my head on the toilet with
bleeding, woke up, the needle still in the butt, right?
I'm like, Oh my God. Like, it's scary.
Yeah, but you get the insulin needle.
I know it's still needle scary. And then you do it and you're
like, I didn't even feel that, right.
Then after you do it a couple of times, you're like, all right,
what else is? Yeah.
And then you're fine. But that initial, I bet that
number is really like 50% of the world Still won't do it.
OK. Yeah, I do actually see that a
lot. But then I tell it, just get on
FaceTime. I'm gonna walk you through it.
It's like the easiest thing in the world.
And once you start, you're like, oh, that's all.
So that's it. No big deal.
Yeah, we actually have a bunch of studies starting that we are
working on making. I know it's not.
The science says you can't orally take a peptide, right?
If it your mouth doesn't kill it, then your stomach kills it.
Well, it's just not bioavailable like an injection.
Correct. Well, we've, I think we fixed
that. So we're obviously going to do
the, we're doing the trial work. I've done all the pre studies,
all the like the, the computer work, the AI work that spits out
like, yeah, this looks like it'll work.
And now we're moving on to humans.
So by the end of summer, well end of the year, we'll have
data, six months of data with placebo to human trials with
using some of the products we did, we're doing on four
different peptides, we're doing CJC.
We did the ones that have responses even though CGC is not
going to go to category one, it's kind of a waste.
But what we wanted to see is when you do CGC, you get a
flushing effect, sometimes a little bit of heart race,
earringing, things like that. We want to see if that actually
you feel any of that, because if it is like, holy shit, it's
working. Like that's an indicator on its
own. Yeah.
But we're doing NAD, yeah. Fill that.
Yeah, Coenzyme a little bit different, but it is still
there. And then we're doing PT 141 and
five amino one film those two. Yeah.
So we're trying to go with ones that people will see feel right
away, right. But we what we did is we created
a different system to get the delivery into the blood without
getting killed. So like I said, first it's spit
break starts killing off peptides, then it's the stomach.
But we've always we know how to get things through the stomach.
That's what all those gel caps and codeines and all that stuff
for. The problem is if you get it
through there, you get into the intestine.
Then when it gets through the intestine, it goes through a
first pass through the liver, and then the liver kills it,
right? But what we did is we basically
encapsulated it with a proprietary technology, and
instead of it going through the intestine and getting hit by a
liver, we sneak it into the lymphatic system, which doesn't
go through the liver. So it survives in a lymphatic
system doing its job over anywhere between 4 and 18 hours,
if that's how long it lasts, right?
So you could take it orally and we should see that result.
So like I said, we still need to prove it in a human being, which
we're going to do because I don't like, I don't release it
and I don't make false claims. But we are working on it.
So if it does work, we show that we should be able to get things
24 to 28 times more bioavailable.
And that is pretty incredible. Do you combine it with like a
bacteria or virus or something that the lymph system has to
clear out? No, I mean, like I said, most of
these just kind of they clear like BBC's out for our half
life, Neds got, you know, 45 minutes.
So CJC is about 40 minutes, so they just gotta die off and get
excreted after they do their work.
Right. But that's through the liver.
You're saying you're bypassing. You're bypassing.
Yeah, you're going to the lymphatic, lymphatic system, but
actually drain it drains out. I'm wondering.
How you get it into the lymphatic system?
Yeah, I'm trying to not get things into my lymphatic system.
Yeah, but this is something healthy and it's gone relatively
quick. Like I said, we don't know if
it'll work for everything, but let's say we can get 20 or 30
products that you don't have to poke yourself in the needle
anymore. That is pretty impressive.
I definitely look forward to hearing more information about
that. Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, I know you're going for your PhD, so
we'll get you like once the studies start, I feel free to
broadcast it, talk about how it's doing because we get weekly
updates. So it's the patients that go
through. They have to check in every
Friday with their doctors. And this is all being in a FDA
registered company to do these Irbs.
So like I, I know what cities they're going to be doing them
in because they tell like, oh, they're doing that one's in
Pittsburgh, right. But I don't know any of the
doctors or the people, but I just get the reporting.
On how it's doing. So we can either like say, yeah,
cut it, it's not working, let's move on.
Or we go, holy shit, it's working.
And then if it's or if it's working a little bit OK.
What else can we do? We're.
Doing something right, let's going down that road.
Incredible, incredible. I love, I love this.
I did want to talk a little bit about just your July pharmacy
advisory media tour and, and what you're doing with Maha and
a little bit about Class 1 and Class 2.
And then also the the different regulations, state versus state.
There's just so much going on. It's changing all of the time
with regards to who can access what peptides and what everyone
can feel good about. South.
Can you speak to that a little bit and what's going to be
happening in July? Yeah, for sure.
By the time you post this, some of this might change, so I
apologize. That's why I got to fast track
it. Yeah.
So I apologize if what I talk about is different when you get
to actually airing this. But so basically we have
category. The Democrats illegally moved a
bunch of these products from category one to category 2.
Hold on, hold on. You got to explain that a little
bit. So explain that a little.
Bit the only reason you would take something from category one
and put it on category 2 is because you actually have a
safety issue, right? There was 0 deaths, 0
hospitalizations from BBC from all these products that were on.
So they had no right to move them over.
And what was their? What was the impetus there for
them? There wasn't.
They didn't give a reason, they just did it, which is why it's
illegal. It's completely fraudulent.
So they basically someone was getting paid, someone was upset
about the products it was cutting in their checkbook, and
they say get these things off. And they moved him over and they
shut the industry down on that. Right, Which should never have
been able to even happen. But because they also weren't
this massively popular thing, it kind of just got swept under the
rug for. But The thing is now peptides
are being talked more about the only thing else on the planet
that people really talk about is AI.
Yeah. That's true.
That's that is a great point. I mean, so now it's like
everyone's like, wait a second and you got, you know, you got
Brigham Bueller, which is a genius human being.
And you know, you got Joe Rogan, you got the people telling how
what is going on. And you have someone that is in
charge of the FDA and all this stuff with Robert Kennedy that's
sitting there really trying to do something good for everybody,
get off of his back. He like the food pyramid was
effed. Like thank God all these
immunizations and you know all the crap you have to inject into
your child criminal. You know your kid does not need
all that. I have 0 in me.
I have no vaccinations. Your mom brought you up.
You're 45 years old. You have 0 vaccinations.
None 0 Zilch. How did how did she do that 45
years ago? She just didn't allow it to
happen. And my father, when I went into
school, there was vaccines that were required and he had a
lawyer drop basically saying that they were OK, they were
going to give me the vaccinations.
But the the state of California was have to sign off that
anything that happened to me due to those vaccinations that the
state was liable for and just said fuck it just let him into
school. One kid cares and that's how I
got it now. It's much harder now but going
for 0 vaccinations on my child when I was born in January and
that's what we're going to do. Impressive.
So, but you know, that's our decision, right?
If you want to pump your kids full of vaccinations, that's
your decision, right? I don't think it's the right
one, but that's, you know, my opinion is like an asshole.
Everyone's got one, but this is so they move all this stuff
over. So now you have Robert Kennedy
that comes in and he's he's like, hey, we need to move these
over. They like this.
This was fraudulent. These things work.
We need to give them back to the pharmacies because it's the fact
that they moved them created the criminal Orient of all this
importing of illegal good because doesn't matter.
We, we know this you can't you, you make cocaine illegal.
Guess what? The cartels will make sure you
get it here because there's money to be made.
So now he's like, OK, let's get this back in the hands of the
pharmacist of our country's medical, you know, foundation.
We can do this the right way. Let's let's move these back.
But it's, it's more than just I want to move them back now
because he's going to do the right way.
So he basically says I'm eliminating these off of
category 2. I wrote 45 pages of safety
studies that was submitted through the American Peptide
Association in October for these.
And then my attorney Kave, he's the one that writes all the
legislation material like for this along with other people,
but he's involved with writing all of it.
So, you know, we're, we're heavily helping.
Now what they take from me or from Brigham or from whomever
else that's involved, I don't know.
But we're all feeding data and information in as the people
that are manufacturing and and running these things.
And it's, you know, it's safety reports and things like that
saying that these don't have any, you know, the efficacy and
the, the amount of, you know, you know, a drug is allowed to
like kill people and give you, you know, ears bleeding and pus
coming out of your nose. And it's like, well, what's
wrong with BBC irritation in the injection site?
Well, yeah, you poke yourself with something, of course is
going to irritate you, right? That's the only thing you can
find that's bad about it, except for that Lady that decides to
ruin everybody's freaking weekend by telling oh you, you
might grow tumors back. Can I talk about that?
It's important just because. Well, let's get through this
first. In other words, we'll do it
right afterwards. All right, we'll come back.
So he he basically takes them off category 2.
They are not in category one. Now there's going to be hearing
in July good news. He gets to pad that panel
because there's open seats. So he's going to put his people
in it. That's what governments do.
So it's going to get approved. It's going to pass.
There's no way it doesn't. So it gets passed, but that
doesn't mean it's still on category because then we go
through three months of rebuttal.
It means that people, if they do see a problem or they choose to
research and find if these safety studies were correct,
they can count, you know, counteract them.
They can come and rebuttal and say, Hey, I know that you say
this is safe. We show that this is actually
unsafe and This is why this is the study.
And then the board will sit there and go, oh, we need to
hold off. Let's look more into this,
right? And they, they go back.
Realistically, you'll probably see these things come come on
end of the year, beginning next year.
They should go into category one and then from there you're
rightfully allowed to make in 5038.
And also we should be able to do them in the 503 B market so we
can mass produce. Yeah.
So that's what we're doing with that.
So, you know, like I'll be on Monday at the Maha dinner and in
DC. Casual, you know, whatever.
Yeah, whatever it's, it's a little bit of a lot of people
stare and go, what do you do? You know, and I get a lot of
that because of how I look. What do you do?
Why are you here? You know, the giant Viking
looking guy with tattoos all over the place.
I don't fit in very well. I but, but I definitely am
recognized. But you know, that's the what's
kind of going on that and we should see 13 go over.
And if these 13 successfully move over and we do a good job
with them and we show that they can be done right, then we get
probably another dozen soon after.
And the goal is to get about 65 to 80 of these moved over,
hopefully by the end of their term, 2 years right now, it
doesn't mean that someone doesn't come in the next
administration and screw it all up, but that us as a neutral
party, just like, hey, we're just trying to make things the
right way for the populace, for doctors that want these things
and people that want these things, right?
We're trying to play like, hey, we're going to keep doing
whatever you guys want this like let's just not eliminate these
things. Just take them off because you
guys don't like each other. Let's think about the people.
It's like, you know, you go through a divorce and you're
like, the kid should come first. You guys might hate each other.
That's why you're divorced. But don't let let that affect
the child. We're trying to play that motion
like, hey, we're just trying to help.
Don't hurt the American population because you guys are
arguing. So that's what's going on with
that. But yes, the young lady, the
doctor, that's like scare the crap out of everybody.
I got that video a million times.
Oh my God, it's going to grow back.
No, that's not what it does. Cancer cells are not linked to
you. Would you have a better chance
of getting hit by a bus in your front yard then that really
happening And the benefits of the human body being healthy
from using something like BBC that you can get your, you know,
let's look at that. If your gut is in jeopardy, your
whole body screwed, liver function screwed your kidney
function screwed, your brain isn't going to work as well.
Your sleep patterns are going to be all over the place.
I mean, it is bad. BBC literally affects the gut
and helps the gut and and makes it a better atmosphere for your
entire body. And then it helps, you know,
repair tissue, ligaments, bones, brain tissue.
I mean, it's it's all over. It does so much for the human
body. Those benefits are going to keep
you around longer and probably prevent something like cancer
sneaking in. It way outweighs the the one in
a billion chance that it regrows.
You know, the vascularity for a tumor to exist.
Great. I think that settles it.
I definitely think that everyone's going to trust you by
now to have a very educated opinion on whether or not that's
actually going to happen. So yeah, I mean.
You can die, drive in your car. Nothing is forever and nothing
is perfect and nothing is guaranteed.
That is 100% true. But the relative risk of this is
it's it's not even on a chart. Yeah, well, and the benefits are
so strong that even the small relative risk of which you
basically said is an injection site reaction with their own.
So BPC 157 is so minimal that it's, you know, why wouldn't
you? I always tell people to like,
try it for yourself. Of course you can read the
research, you can listen all the podcasts, you can read the
books, but you will not know if these things work well for you
unless you for them. And yeah, why wouldn't you?
The safety profiles there. And when I something I really
preach this to is, I always say less is more for God's sakes, do
not try taking 5 or 10 things at once.
I, you know, it's one thing if you're taking like one thing for
the brain, one thing for the body, you know, a weight loss,
whatever, that's fine because you can see those work the way
they're supposed to. But if you're like Hey, I want
to lose weight to take Reddit, True Tide 5, Amino 1 Sloop,
Tessa, Moralin, IPA, Moralin and MK677 well which ones?
What doing what for you now? They could all be working
synergetically and you could just be shredded in six months
and you probably would be, but you might not know that you're
having like gut issues from taking CJC or MK677 is actually
creating such a hunger response that is counteracting you trying
to lose the weight. Or you might have a slight
reaction to Reddit Rutai because GIP is very harmful to the gut
for some people like myself. I can't, I do not do well with
GIP which is part of tirzepatide, part of Reddit
Rutai with that slowing down in paralysis of the gut and the
additional something else. I have really bad acid reflux
and I have bloating issues and Constipation issues when I take
that product. So I actually remove that and
just use Glucagon and GLP 1 is a better combo for me right?
What's that called? What's that called?
That's called Servo do Tide. OK.
And then we have a new one that goes into we're doing human
trial work on, it's called Lepto.
So Lepto is also going to have a growth simulator built in on the
peptide side and it's a once every two week shot instead of
once a week. Yeah.
So it has a albumin binder. We strip the fatty acid out and
put an albumin binder so it stays and slow releases in the
bloodstream for 17 days. Wow.
All right, OK, this is interesting to me too, because
in in Jay's book Metabolic awakening with GLP one's Gray
book, by the way, like super, super dense.
Super dense. Yeah, Yeah, he is.
I mean, he's he's a lot, but he's definitely a genius.
I didn't realize the mechanism of action of of GLPS.
Right. Is that when you add in these
second third components like you get with tirzepatide and ready
Tru tide, you can essentially get more of GLP 1 into the
system with fewer side effects? Wasn't necessarily my I do well
with tirzepatide. I've always had stomach issues
so it's not any worse on tirzepatide, but I didn't do
well on Retta. Tutat I put on, I put on 5 lbs.
I didn't like the way I felt my hunger came back.
So I'm interested to maybe try the next evolution, this GLP one
plus Glucagon because it might have been the Glucagon piece for
me though with Retta that made me put on the weight.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you have to look
at it like this. Do you work out OK?
So was the weight? Yeah.
Look at you guns. Is the was the weight muscle or
was the weight fat? Were you using like an in body
or a DEXA scan? Yeah.
Dexa. My dexa looks great.
I mean I didn't do dexa before and after ruta it was like 6
weeks. So this is what you should
probably do and this is a good study for yourself, right?
Go back to Ruta Sure Tide and I bet you that weight is put on in
mostly muscle. OK, interesting.
I didn't feel the same way I felt when I put on weight with
Tessa and IPA and summer Ellen. So it just felt, it felt a
little bit less controlled maybe like I can tell what the growth
hormones cretagogs were doing and I felt a little bit more, I
know this is like like anecdotal, but I felt a little
bit more out of control maybe with my eating on purpose.
Well, you're going to eat more with Retta.
Yeah, because it's like you said, just like the nausea and
the from GLP one. When you take that by itself,
Seema glutide or eggs, whatever you want to call when you take
that by itself, the nausea piece for people is unbearable for a
large set of that populate that uses it, right.
But I also know people that don't have any of it.
So I look and I go it works really well for you.
You don't get nauseous. It's cheap as hell, right?
Pennies to make that stuff. So use it like great.
You're you got the gift that keeps on giving Clark.
You know, it's cheap, it's free and it works.
But you know, there's people that don't do that, like, and
then they go to Tirzepatide. Oh yeah, I'm not throwing out,
but maybe you deal with this, some of the other issues, you,
you switching around a Glucagon might not be your best friend.
So yeah, that's true. So you know, stick with it's
cheaper, right? It's cheaper.
You know, it's one of those things like if if you drive, you
know, BMW 5 Series to work everyday and you love it and you
go spend 3 times as much money for a Bentley.
But you realize the car is twice as big, eats twice as much as
gas, and it doesn't have as many features because it's more meant
for someone to drive you around than for you to drive.
You're sitting there going, why am I spending the money on this?
I like my BMW better. Yeah, use the BMW.
Like can do all right? Words to live by from Trevor
Cruder. I like it.
Yeah, so more money is not always better.
Well, and and two, I mean, I I do think since peptide science
is relatively new for the masses that we do have to self
experiment a little bit. Not everyone is going to feel
the same way on every peptide. I think that everyone kind of
deserves to give themselves one or two trials.
Like that was my second trial of Greta.
I proved my point, you know, happened the first time happened
the second time. So I went back to Drew Zip Ted
Happy. I always just like to to see
where it is because people do say they're like, oh, I'm
putting weight back on. And you know when people
actually do the, the testing for it and they're like, OK, I'll
just get on an in body every week.
See where I am. They're seeing the fat
percentage isn't going up, but their muscle mass was sure
because they were getting better workouts in, they were able to
eat a little bit more. They were actually putting the
weight back on. In some cases, you don't want
that weight. I get it.
But some other people, like for instance, my girlfriend, she is
trying to put on more muscle. So, you know, if you're going to
use a GLP to help control maybe some of the glucose in the
bloodstream. So because it is very
beneficial, very low dose. I mean, I never used any of
those when I went through my first journey and I lost 50 lbs
years ago. I was using just growth hormone
and exercise, right? And stop drinking nearly as
much. And I went from 2:37 like 26%
body fat down to like one in my 1 eighties 187 and I was like
12, right? So I lost a ton of fat and then
I did an Iron Man and did all this kind of stuff to like, you
know, prove where I was. And then I'm like, OK, I don't
like being the skinny, right? So then I started putting the
weight back on. You know, Retta's going to be
easier for people if they're done losing weight and want to
get kind of back in shape. But some people don't need that.
Like you, you're like, I'm good. But but other people have that
trouble with through Zepatite because it really that gut numb
means filling it. It's sometimes hard to eat, like
impossible to eat. And you do need to eat if you're
trying to put muscle mass back on.
You got to get the protein, you got to get carbs, you got to get
all that, you got to get the balanced diet back.
Yeah, definitely. And that's a dance, I think,
especially for women, it's probably a little bit easier, I
would think. Way easier for me, but.
Yeah, like women, it's a hill a lot of them will die on, and so
I have to have that. That's.
Not necessarily true there. You have been unfortunately
biased against in the human world for a longer than males
have. I mean you guys weren't even.
I say you guys like that's horrible.
Women were not. Yeah, no, but women weren't even
looked at to be used. As for cadavers, for science,
Yeah, till like 30 years ago. We are way underrepresented in
the research for sure. Your hormones weren't even
regarded until recently, like menopause and all that is.
It's not simple but it is far more correctable with small
amount of testosterone. Maybe progesterone.
I mean utilizing slang C Max oxytocin to balance.
I mean you're talking about getting rid of anxiety, you
know, hormonal balance, mood swings, muscle wasting fat
increase bone density issues. Like there's 52 pieces of
menopause that are all, you know, negative negatives from
menopause that you get, 35 of them can be improved on like
four or five products. Yeah, actually, that's very
interesting. I was just having this
conversation on the podcast that recorded right before you with a
woman who was put into medical menopause at the age of 48.
She obviously can't take, she can't take hormones.
I mean, there's estrogen dominant cancer.
And so having the discussion that she's able to reduce her
inflammation and therefore her joint pain that's caused by low
estrogen, no estrogen, just by taking a GLP one for three days,
her joint pain is like gone. Her inflammatory markers are
down. They're like you said.
It's for breast cancer too. No, they're showing that GLP one
can help reduce breast cancer risk.
And colon cancer. Oh yeah, big time did.
You just see this Washington. What is it Washington Post
article about? Basically GLP ones can make the
effectiveness of immunotherapy better right?
Just because they're anti-inflammatory, they're
immune modulating all by themselves and basically like
GOP ones, can make it easier for your immune system cells to
recognize cancer cells and target them.
Yeah, correct. Crazy.
Yeah, but I mean, this is just, you go in, you know, I love
using Cialis because it's just one of the most popular drugs to
use on the planet. But I mean, that was a vascular
dilator for heart problems and now it's being used for every
male for enhancement in in the bedroom, right?
You don't know what everything is going to do because you know,
you go in with the one theory, but there's a million or a
billion things going on in your body at all times.
You don't know how it's going to affect all of it.
Now, most of the time you end up with a negative effect when you
when you start these things, you're like, oh boy, got to
figure that out. But a lot of times we also get
these, you know, secondary 3rd, 4th positive effects that you're
just going to go, Oh my God, this is so incredible that we
get this, you know, and that's what we're, we're really
starting to see from a lot of these.
Like, like I said, I'm working on Klotho for kidneys, but I was
never supposed to be able to have children.
When I was 26, I was diagnosed that I would never have a child
naturally. And come 19 years later, I'm 45
this year, I have a girlfriend that's pregnant.
That we were not expecting that to ever happen because I am not
fertile and I've done everything since I was 26 to be even less
fertile than I could have been, right.
You know, so it, it just made no sense.
But now I was, you know, talking to my, my science team last
night and they didn't even know I was taking Clotho.
Different science team. I have different facilities.
They work in their own silos, they do their own projects and
and we bring them together every once in a while.
And he goes, are you using Klotho by chance?
I said, yeah, why? He goes, bro.
I have a very like strong inkling that that is going to be
one of the most profitable products in history once it's
ironed out to get through for actually reweaving and getting
men and women back to being able to have children later on in
life. Because it's such a the product
does so many things possible and rebuild so many sectors of the
body besides the kidneys or the brain or all these things.
It works everywhere. It's good for your heart, your
skin, your bones, your sex life, everything.
So apparently I'd like, I don't know, but now that I'm sitting
there going well, Helm, now I'm gonna spend another $1,000,000
doing a trial on Klotho and fertility.
Yeah, because I'm sure as shit shouldn't be having a kid.
I'm excited. Regenerated.
Something rebuilt. And I mean, I'm still to this
day, I'm on 500 milligrams of tests a week.
I should have zero. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. You've suppressed yourself for
sure. I have been suppressing myself
forever. Yeah.
So. Wow, wow.
So, so just that just like that thought experiment, like can you
get your testosterone levels up that high as a 45 year old man
and still be fertile that that is kind of, I mean that is not
just industry changing. Well, there's some other weird
things. I inject estrogen too.
OK, fun. So like I.
Know what? Do you cry so much?
You told me I cry a lot. I do cry a lot.
I keep it double the norm. Why so good for your brain, your
joints, everything. You know, it's good balance.
Yeah. Because if I'm going to keep my
testosterone high, I want to keep my estrogen with there.
And then I also inject DHT because everybody's afraid that
your hair falls out. But I have really good hair.
That's your natural hair. All my hair.
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
My hair grows 1213 inches a year because DHT is also what helps
grow your hair. So I kind of have a reverse way
of playing with it so. Are you injecting DHT?
I know they put it in like some topical products and I feel like
it makes nothing. That just makes it in.
Like I said, it's self experimentation.
Yeah, it helps to be a chemist, I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. I don't, I don't go around
recommending this, by the way. I'm like, yeah.
Please don't do that. Please don't do that.
But I'm. Like this is personal missions,
but I all I can do is document what is working for me and it's
working. So like I said, I'm gonna we're
gonna go down the wheelhouse and actually start doing some real
trial work and. Unclotho.
Unclotho and all this stuff, yeah.
I haven't tried it but I'm so interested in it.
It's just cost prohibitive. It's really expensive.
We're getting the price way down, OK.
So it's very expensive make. So it's, you know, 700 and like
47 aminos long. So it takes a very long time to
make a very small amount of product.
Makes sense? Because we are manufacturing
that raw material, we have a patent on it.
We're the only ones that make it OK that that version.
By the way, there's like thousands of versions of Klotho
that had never been able to get to work.
And the reason why is if you take Klotho and you actually
take too much at once, it's the exact opposite of the benefit.
It'll shut your kidneys down. That's real bad.
Yeah, so and the problem was, is people were injecting Klotho and
they didn't have anything to to stretch the molecule to not
release. So you're just getting hit with
massive amounts, which was bad because your body really only
probably has maybe 4 micrograms floating around in your
bloodstream at any given time. So if you hit yourself with 10
micrograms and just absorbs all at once, you have a problem.
Whereas we take 10 and we let that slow release over 2 weeks.
So that's it's slowly getting better, like your levels
naturally up a little higher and but you only need a little bit
higher to be massively better, right?
You don't need 100 micrograms, that's too much.
How much do you take? I do 10 micrograms every two
weeks. OK.
All right. Yeah, so very small amount, but
it's very beneficial. The first thing you'll notice on
it is you pee a lot your your body is how it gets rid of
toxins much faster, which is pretty cool.
But it also is annoying if you because you have to get up and
pee every night will not make it a great hour of sleep if you
drink any water. If you Curb Your water drinking
a couple hours before bed, you have a chance.
Yeah, since there's a problem with perimenopausal women, we
know this struggle all too well. Yes, yes.
So so I'm I'm with you on that one right now.
Yeah. So we make this this, but it you
know, originally it was, you know, 7 hundred $800.00 for a
month worth. We think we're going to be able
to get that down to about four hundred 500 bucks now.
And then eventually as we continue to get better at
manufacturing the raw materials and production, you know, we we
hope that it's more of like a a 250 to $300 a month.
And if, for God's sakes, if we could ever get this thing
covered by insurance that is $10.00 for three months, you
know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, that would be pretty amazing.
It's not gonna happen, but it would be pretty amazing.
We'll, we'll get it there. Really, that's a very bold claim
that that I cannot wait to see that happen.
Why do you think I'm spending all the money doing these
trials? I'm doing Ind work, which means
I'm actually doing an vegetable drug study.
And trying to put insurance companies out of business
because once peptides enter the picture, there will be no need
for insurance companies. Well, then that's, I mean, the
whole system's broken all together and just shut the whole
thing down and start fresh. I know everybody scared of
change, but you gotta do it. I love that actually.
This thing, this thing, no one knows their deck of cards,
right? But if everybody put into a self
funding account, right? And the thing and this fund, now
obviously you need very, very, very smart and very, very
structured systems so that people don't take advantage of
it like Governor Governor Newson does and just spends their money
on frivolous bullshit and loses all of it.
And no, one never gets in trouble for it.
But let's say that, you know, it would take a few years.
The government already spends $5 trillion a year, and that's
going to start shrinking massively with the GLPS,
eliminating heart disease problems.
So we're going to get a lot of money back.
This is the time to do it. But if you were to take a system
and grant, like I said, this is just a, a beginning of a theory,
but everybody has to invest in their own medical.
So you have a bank, you get in there.
Now it would be subsidized by the government in the beginning.
Because you know, if you start this and I, you know, I put up
$200 per paycheck into this thing.
I mean, I'm spending the money on insurance anyway, right?
But, you know, I'm putting this money in the bank's building and
and I'm getting interest on, I'm not allowed to pull it out
unless it's for a medical. And then if I go over because I
have critical care or whatever, the government's gonna help
right now. But what happens is what what
what I would like to see done is when that person does die,
whatever money is in there because there's gonna be people
that are healthy that never use it.
And there's gonna be people that use a lot more.
That money goes into that fund that helps the person that has a
critical issue that doesn't have the money yet.
Yeah. And over time, we have a bank
that is not allowed to be used by the government, by anybody
else. It's only for the people.
And it just sits there and groups, groups.
And then you could have. Have markers where the money, if
it grows beyond a certain point, if it never does, and this would
be great if it did, that money could be used for like research
rings, like to research new ways to do things.
And that's how we can also do research internally and we would
be self funding our own research, right?
But that's kind of how you have to do it.
And that way that companies like everybody like that, you
eliminate the drug companies from saying, Oh yeah, we're
gonna sell this for $30,000 and you gotta cover it with your
insurance, right? And the insurance company like
God, I got a four count $27,000 and the customer sells pay 3000.
You can eliminate all that cuz now you have an open medical
system that you can negotiate all your pricing because you're
paying for it. It's so interesting.
I have a couple of sets of friends that work out in the
mission field like they do Christian ministry and that's
essentially the the plan that they have.
So it's not insurance necessarily.
It's like. It's a shared.
It's a shared plan, yeah. They love it.
It works so well. Yeah, I, I used one for a while
cuz I, you know, I'm self-employed.
There was years that I didn't have insurance, so I used a, a
group insurance. What was it, the name of it
anyway? There's like like 400,000
members in it and it was great, you know, everything was
covered. Yeah, yeah.
And I mean that really is for the greater good.
Like you're thinking about somebody else besides yourself.
You're you're integrated in like this community of health, which
I really like. I like the further thought of
using leftovers for research and development.
Interesting. Yeah, I mean, you know, you got
to build a a base first. Like I said, the government
subsidized everybody anyway. Subsidizes the airline industry,
subsidizes the Postal Service, you know, whatever, it's already
paying for half of this stuff. But let's eliminate the fraud
and the issues with the insurance.
And people just pay with their own money that they have.
And people won't go in and fraudulently do things because
they're like, this is all the money I have.
Like, you know, maybe you take loans against the debt, right?
So they'll pay for it now, but you got to pay 50% of it back
and you know what I mean? So it's not like it's free.
Like people just going like, Oh yeah, say that I tore my arm off
so I can get a 500,000. Like there's things that you can
do to eliminate. But I mean no matter what,
people are shady. We are.
I mean, you're fighting against human nature.
The human nature. To fight against my friend.
Yeah, it really is. But you know, like I said, it's
not a perfect world. It'd probably get destroyed too.
It definitely would. There would be some government
oversight at some point. But hey, I like the utopian
idyllic idea here for Peptide to help kind of change the world,
change the insurance system, the medical system.
Fantastic. I gotta say.
I mean, I know I've taken a lot of your time.
This has been a fantastic podcast.
I'm definitely going to invite you back.
There's so much we didn't get to talk about and I know a lot of
it is like time sensitive too, so maybe it's better that we
didn't. But your expertise is extremely
appreciated. I am very much I'm thankful for
you coming on here and giving so much of your time and knowledge
and and like I said, expertise so it.
Was great, It was a great time. So anytime you want me back, I'm
happy to be here. I will definitely be reaching
out. People are going to want to know
how can they find you. I know you're not huge on
socials right now, but there's got to be some other place where
I can find out more. It's Trevor Kruter on on
Instagram and then I know I have like we have a YouTube channel
and we're on Spotify with my my podcast.
And like I said, they're really just, I try and take an approach
of everything. So we're launching a full
women's telehealth company in the next couple of months.
That's going to be really heavily I you know, I I stole
the project manager and VP from hims and hers it's really hymns
with two hers state products on there.
It's BS. We're gonna an entire site
dedicated to Women's Health. So I brought her over.
So we have that going. But so there is a lot of stuff
that I am involved in social media wise because I do like to
get information out there. But yeah, you know, it's not for
the like the greater good. I'm not trying to capitalize it
so, but yeah. Well, that's fantastic.
All right, you guys go go follow Trevor, Look him up on YouTube.
He's got some fantastic stuff out there doing some amazing
things, especially with the companies that that you know.
Look for Peptide Society will be on one of the networks here fall
time. So you'll do 8 time, 8 part
series about curing my momma's cancer, me, Jay Campbell and
Bobby and just a bunch of the kind of industry, right?
It's, it's from last year. So you're going to see where we
were a year prior and you'll, you'll probably get a few laughs
in there. It's like probably break a few
things when we screw up some. I, I think I lost $8 million in
like a day and a half of screw ups.
So that was a pretty funny scene.
All right, all right. I will look forward to that.
I can't wait to see it come out. All right, Trevor Gruder, thank
you again for your time. Hope you have a great.
Pleasure to meet you. Yes, it's a great time.
All right. Thanks everybody for listening
to the Pub Tides for Women podcast.
We'll see you next time.