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Welcome to Peptides for Women. 
I'm Jennifer Woodward, and this 

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is your podcast for smart, 
honest conversations about 

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peptide therapy and midlife 
Wellness. 

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We cover everything from GLP 
ones to BPC 157, plus the 

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foundations that still matter, 
sunlight, steps, strength 

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training, protein and minerals. 
So if you're ready to feel 

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better with science, back tools,
and natural habits that actually

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work, you're in the right place.
Let's dive in. 

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Welcome back to the Peptides for
Women podcast. 

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I'm Jennifer Woodward and I'm 
thrilled to introduce you guys 

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to Doctor Jeff Gross. 
Doctor Jeff, often called the 

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stem cell Whisperer, began his 
career treating complex spine 

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and neurological problems with 
traditional surgery, but saw 

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first hand that many patients 
needed a smarter, less invasive 

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path. 
Drawing on his biochemistry and 

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molecular cell biology training 
from UC Berkeley and decades as 

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an award-winning neurosurgeon, 
he pivoted toward regenerative 

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medicine, stem cells, exosomes 
and peptides, founding Re 

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Celebrate to put surgery last 
and cellular repair first. 

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Today, Re Celebrate serves 
clients across the United States

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with its hub in Las Vegas, NV 
and virtual access for people 

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who want precision, 
personalized, data-driven care. 

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From athletic injury recovery in
spine and joint restoration to 

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skin rejuvenation, hair and soft
tissue repair, immune and post 

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viral support, and next 
generation anti aging protocols,

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Each plan is tailored to 
activate the body's own repair 

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mechanisms using carefully 
selected stem cell derived 

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biologics and complementary cell
signaling longevity strategies. 

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Doctor Jeff is a frequent 
author, speaker, biohacker, and 

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customer of Regenerative Cell 
Signaling, and I'm thrilled to 

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welcome him to this show. 
I don't know why you want to 

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talk to that nerd. 
I am a nerd, so I am thrilled to

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have nerds on my show. 
I mean, you probably kick my ass

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in nerdiness, so I'm excited to 
chat with you today on all these

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things. 
Challenge accepted. 

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Let's go. 
Let's. 

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Go First off, let's just say 
Berkeley. 

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Tell me about that. 
Yeah, go, Bears. 

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You know, listen, when I got in 
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I could get in. 
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today. 
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difficult to get into, but it's 
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There's a lot going on and yes, 
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stuff like that. 
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study and take your classes and 
and, you know, rub elbows with 

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Nobel laureates, it's an amazing
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Incredible. 
I love it. 

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Do you go back ever? 
Do you speak at Berkeley? 

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Yeah, I go back a lot, actually.
I have some very good college 

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friends and we try to meet up 
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then. 
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basketball game my first time in
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I happen to be in town. 
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For another event in January. 
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It's still home to me. 
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and what have you. 
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Fantastic. 
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I do love Northern California. 
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remember even being like 1718 
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with my future husband. 
We were like, we should retire 

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here. 
Northern California is amazing. 

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It was, yeah, it was great and 
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It's green and we we used to go 
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So go Aggies, look at you. 
Long time ago, long time ago. 

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All right, let's talk about 
peptides, though it is the 

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Peptides for Women podcast. 
You are definitely an expert. 

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And so let's just redefine 
peptides in the space of cell 

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signaling. 
Yeah, thank you. 

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I know your audience knows what 
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when I get on podcasts or I 
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here's what a peptide is. 
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that. 
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helping signal to our cells in 
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little boost that they probably 
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decline and vice versa as a 
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and we're exposed to a lifetime 
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stresses, you know, we can list 
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nutrition, air, water pollution,
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etcetera, etcetera. 
Our cells just get a little 

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gunked up with inflammatory junk
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hoarders. 
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boost sometimes in the signaling
to the cell pathways, which taps

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back into my biochemistry degree
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This is what we're looking at is
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in the cell? 
Are we in a defense mode 

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fighting the environment, you 
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inflammation? 
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mode, which is optimal 
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do what they can do robustly and
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And that's what the peptides 
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So one of the things that can 
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things might be stem cells, 
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behaviors, might be exosomes, 
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But peptides are a big 
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mode versus energy creation mode
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like to dig into a little bit 
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you reach the age of like 3035, 
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song, especially for women to be
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that could kind of lead someone 
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defense mode. 
Can you color that a little bit 

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more for the audience of of what
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with? 
Get you to the I mean to improve

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that. 
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cell defense mode, like what 
what are some of the the driving

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factors that you see that would 
keep women stuck in cell defense

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mode? 
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know, stress. 
Not the right exercise or enough

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exercise. 
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or because they're convenient or
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Things in our food, pesticides, 
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And we're this is a hot topic 
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All these things in our food, 
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and nutrients and vitamins and 
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And we just accumulate this. 
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we could do hours just on 
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Wellness. 
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Well as a as a traditional, you 
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in traditional medicine, I am 
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Like what were you seeing in 
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start looking toward these 
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It wasn't that surgery wasn't 
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were less invasive alternatives 
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because the tail was wagging. 
Tagging the dog in the sick care

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system, right. 
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you know, big surgeries and put 
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options and patients are 
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They have an appetite for it. 
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something else? 
What about stem cells? 

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Doc What about stem cells? 
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just, I put down the kool-aid 
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I'm very interested in that. 
I wonder what's happened in all 

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these years. 
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Why isn't that here? 
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went down the rabbit hole, re 
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envelope on that. 
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your patients were educated 
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talking about stem cells. 
That's not anything we've talked

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overarching view what, what are 
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What do they do for the body? 
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aging medicine? 
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cell signaling. 
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So and stem cells and really 
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factors that vesicles called 
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If you haven't heard that, those
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to behave in that optimal energy
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and fight inflammation and turn 
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powerhouses that they were when 
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Exosome stem cells. 
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So briefly, all cells 
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cells, signal their neighbor 
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Neighborhood watch, right? 
Hey, we got a prowler in the 

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neighborhood. 
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Close your doors, lock your 
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So they do that through 2 
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small proteins, growth factors 
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You've heard of that? 
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bubble these even smaller 
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membrane and some contents from 
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So cargo, micro RNAs, other 
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healing message and other cells 
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this one endocytosis, right? 
They take in that cargo and it 

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influences what the neighbor 
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It's it's way cells communicate.
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really aren't doing the work. 
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exosomes. 
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efficient, way more cost 
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signal. 
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Explain what you mean by that. 
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Fascinating tissue better. 
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the blood brain barrier, get 
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stem cells around the time I did
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to go into stem cell medicine. 
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exosome medicine. 
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phrase because you said, oh, 
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They come talk to you about this
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Some weren't, but they've heard 
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It's a buzz phrase. 
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And this is about 8 years ago, 
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Well, I my patients were bonking
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mallet for years before that 
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Kool-aid and. 
What were some of the things 

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that that you learned those 
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conferences like what made you 
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pursue this with your patients? 
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a lot of this was, it's not part
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education, you know, continuing 
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doing. 
I would go to these meetings. 

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I would go to all kinds of spine
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I even did a social media post a
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You probably scroll back and 
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North American Spine Spine 
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showing the table of contents 
for all the different topics and

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going and there was nothing, 
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Interesting. 
Are you a pariah now when you're

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conferences, mostly. 
You're like, oh. 

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There he is. 
I don't even go anymore. 

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There's nothing new. 
It's the same old stuff year 

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I don't even go anymore. 

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So the the I'm going to 
different things. 

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I'm I'm going to peptide and 
stem cell conferences and 

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cutting edge health and Wellness
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Don't let that scare you because
I, I too am a biohacker. 

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I want those strategic 
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Wellness, health span and 
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You know, so and I want it for 
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So I try a lot of this stuff 
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I have all the, you know, 
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Is that from a movie? 
Gidgets and gadgets. 

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What is it? 
So I have all that stuff from 

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biologics to energy devices, you
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to go down that rabbit hole 
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am definitely curious too about 
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exosome therapy. 
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results that you started I'm 
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So I about 7-8 years ago, I 
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I was, I offered it as an 
option. 

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I meant to offer it to my spine 
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But now it's all I do. 
Like beyond spine, right? 

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I do. 
I take care of a lot of joints 

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in my practice. 
We follow a French protocol 

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where we have some observatory 
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I'm not allowed to make claims. 
There are no marketing claims 

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here. 
It's just education. 

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So the, we, we have examples 
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someone who was almost, you 
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osteoarthritis of the knee, loss
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They were told they needed a 
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orthopedic surgeon's menu, it's 
cortisone injections, maybe some

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lubricating injections and 
surgery. 

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So we'd still take patients and 
we show cartilage regeneration. 

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reduced a pain. 
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conjunction with the 15 year 
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France. 
So this isn't new. 

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It's just we're late to the 
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a Hippocratic Oath to help 
patients I have to uphold. 

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I'd love upholding. 
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making things available to them 
that's less risky. 

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Like surgery's got risks. 
There's a role for surgery. 

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It's always going to be there, 
but I think it's overdone. 

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That is really fascinating. 
I'm curious about the timeline 

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too. 
I'm trying to trying to get my 

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husband in with you. 
So what they told him for his 

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eventual knee replacement and 
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of cortisone shots, then three 
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then perhaps they might be able 
to go in and do surgery. 

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So tell me about the timeline 
with stem cells and exosomes and

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what might be a good alternative
for him. 

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Yeah, let's go back to that, 
that script he was given that 

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cookbook, right? 
That's big pharma, big implant 

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hospital and insurance driving, 
driving what you're, you know, 

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someone gets you got to go 
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next step, etcetera. 
So instead we would, we would 

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look at him, we would do very 
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sequences off the secret menu. 
You got to let me order those. 

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And we know how to look at the 
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where the cells live that make 
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And that is a that is an early 
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Is, is joint degeneration, 
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often just called arthritis by 
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have the time to explain it or 
maybe they don't know. 

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So we target those cranky cells.
We signal to them. 

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I use a lot of the exosomes for 
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anatomic result 6 and and a 
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by that. 
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going on? 
Is that is that the point of 

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these therapies? 
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I can't make a marketing claim, 
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able to guarantee anything 
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cartilage in a knee a year apart
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the year. 
Yes, please send that to me. 

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I'm going to put it in the show 
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very valuable. 
I love it. 

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OK? 
Done. 

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Excellent. 
I am curious now. 

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So we, we know that, you know, 
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potentially activate the body's 
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I'm learning today that exosomes
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thing. 
What's the intersection of those

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two and how do they work 
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complementary fashion? 
Well. 

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Eight years ago when I started 
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at the stem cell exosomes and 
and things in that realm. 

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But but there are some what we 
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secretome, which is a fancy word
for the all the things a stem 

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cell produces Exos, It's heavy 
in exosomes. 

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It's also got these peptides and
proteins and growth factors that

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you find in amniotic fluid, 
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Baby making stuff O As peptides 
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available, we started adding 
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stack them together 
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all the signaling. 
But if people are just having a 

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low level problem because 
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inexpensive relative to 
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peptides if their terrain is 
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You have to do the work. 
You've got to do the exercise 

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and the sleep and the diet and 
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Otherwise you're just not going 
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seek us out already have a 
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anti-inflammatory lifestyle. 
If not, well hold you 

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accountable and help you get 
there. 

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That's great. 
So I did hear you say that 

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exosomes might be more expensive
than peptide. 

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So can you walk me through kind 
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might be for people? 
Yeah, so we use exosomes in 

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different ways. 
So I use them injectable. 

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We do Ivs for autoimmune and 
hyperinflamed situations or anti

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aging performance. 
I do them myself 4 * a year. 

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The IV might run you anywhere 
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depending on the targeting, 
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all the way up to 1516, 
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a single joint. 
And that includes everything. 

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You know, we do this at a little
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surgery center, a little 
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sterile all that. 
That includes all the 

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professionals in the facility as
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So peptides, you know, a few 
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peptide might just be two 300 
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Right, which still can be, you 
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people, cost prohibitive, 
especially if they're not 

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understanding kind of the the 
way that peptides work in the 

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body. 
And it's interesting to me 

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because we've had my son has 
broken his arm twice over the 

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past year. 
My husband's, you know, trying 

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to get in for the surgery. 
They went in and scraped out all

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of his arthritis. 
Those are both expensive 

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procedures. 
I mean, thousands and thousands 

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of dollars, you know, paid to 
the hospitals for for fixing my 

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people. 
And so, you know, to do some 

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more preventative medicine and 
like root cause healing, I think

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is is a fantastic investment in 
your health. 

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Oh yeah, a lot of these things. 
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joint is usually a one time. 
The literature out of France has

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15 year follow up studies 
showing over 82% of the patients

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have been able to successfully 
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years. 
So it could last 2025 years. 

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So you're not looking at, you 
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looking at A1 and done in the 
vast majority of the case, in 

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82% of the cases. 
That's interesting. 

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So that's basically what they 
told us. 

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The lifespan of his artificial 
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years. 
Do it again. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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The goal, the goal is to put off
that artificial knee. 

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So the earlier we get, we get to
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better. 
So 15 year studies on stem cells

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out of France. 
So this therapy has been in use 

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for quite some time. 
I mean, if that's just the the 

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point where they're publishing 
the study, you know, obviously 

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that that has been going on for 
quite some time. 

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So the literature shows that 
it's safe and effective is what 

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you're saying? 
Well, again, I can't make that 

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claim. 
I'm barred for making that 

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claim. 
Apologies. 

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Compliance. 
No, no, no. 

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It's, it's an, it's a regulatory
point which we should probably 

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cover because the, you know, a 
lot of people don't understand 

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this phrase. 
I think we should talk about 

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quote, FDA approved, right? 
Even doctors don't understand 

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that phrase. 
So what does that mean? 

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Well, it's an incomplete phrase.
So to rewind that, if you'll 

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allow, the FDA is set up by 
Congress to protect consumers by

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regulating marketing claims. 
Let me say that again. 

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Marketing claims, They do not 
regulate the practice of 

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medicine. 
They do not regulate what 

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physicians or clinicians do. 
They do not regulate what 

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patients get. 
They regulate what you hear and 

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what we can say. 
So they regulate the following 

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terms, diagnose, cure, or treat 
a disease or condition. 

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So that's why I'm very cautious 
when you say, oh, it can treat 

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this, it can treat that. 
Can I show you literature? 

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Yes, it's my job to do that. 
Can I show you a patient outcome

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examples? 
Yes. 

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And funny as a surgeon when I 
used to do a lot of big back 

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surgeries, even then I couldn't 
make a claim. 

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Most of what doctors do is not 
FDA approved for marketing 

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claims. 
Let's give some examples. 

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Vitamin C, not FDA approved. 
Why no one can monetize it. 

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Creatine, not FDA approved. 
You go, you're dehydrated, yet 

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you're out in the garden in a 
hot day too long. 

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You're passing out. 
Your husband takes you to the 

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ER, they say, ma'am, you're 
dehydrated, we did a blood test,

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you're dehydrated and what are 
they going to do? 

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They're going to hook you up to 
some IV fluids, right? 

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Not FDA approved for marketing 
claims. 

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Most of what is going on in the 
healthcare system is not 

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approved for marketing claims. 
However, it's fits within what 

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we typically do. 
It fits within standards and 

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guidelines of care. 
It's often paid for by health 

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insurance, although that 
shouldn't be a measure of what's

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right or wrong because that's 
just what you know makes them 

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the most money. 
But you hear this scary phrase, 

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well, that's not approved. 
You even hear doctors use it. 

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They don't even know what 
they're talking about half the 

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time. 
So again, you are having and you

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have had and you will be open to
having patients things that 

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aren't approved for marketing 
claims and they're still well 

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within what is best for you as 
an option. 

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The Doctor of Informed Consent 
calls for us as clinicians to 

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give you all the options and 
help you understand the pros and

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cons and make the right decision
for yourself. 

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That is the job and the 
government wags its finger and 

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uses that phrase. 
FDA approve and they well know 

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they are scaring and 
overstepping to force you to 

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compel you into what Big Pharma 
is driving them to do. 

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Damn, put your thing down, flip 
it and reverse it, everybody. 

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You definitely want to go back 
and listen to that again. 

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That is some mind blowing 
information for me. 

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So I'm a former drug sales Rep. 
I worked for Abbott Labs for 

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many, many years and as an FDN 
health coach. 

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I know it's outside of my scope 
of practice to say anything 

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about diagnosing, treating, or 
prescribing. 

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I'm really good to cover my ass 
most of the time with that 

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vernacular. 
But it's mind blowing to me to 

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hear you as a board certified 
physician tell me that that you 

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are not allowed to use that same
language as well. 

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Right, we can't use it, but 
there's this assumption of the 

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authority of that language. 
So it's all it's a mess. 

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So everyone out there and some 
people are smart, they hear the 

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phrase, oh, that's not FDA 
approved and they know it must 

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be better for them. 
Some people have figured that 

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out. 
But do your own homework, 

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everyone, you know, caveat 
emptor, buyer beware. 

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Ask good questions. 
You know, a lot of doctors don't

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have time for the, you know, the
Google question list. 

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I love it makes me better. 
It makes me answer questions 

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differently the next time, 
right? 

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Because I anticipate that. 
So yeah, it's the FDA does not 

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control your body, so don't let 
them imply that. 

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By the way, after this 
broadcast, let me give you my 

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next of Kin's address because 
I'm sure we'll be buried in the 

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desert after this podcast drops.
So. 

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I I wish my podcast had that 
much authority or reach, but I 

457
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,800
do. 
Maybe this will maybe this will 

458
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,120
catapult there. 
This is some great information. 

459
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,920
I love it. 
I I am definitely interested 

460
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960
too. 
Let's talk about the fact that 

461
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,640
there's this whole, you know, 
like controversy going on right 

462
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,440
now about FDA approved peptides.
So this is really like pressing 

463
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,880
him because I just did a podcast
about that last week or you're 

464
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,200
shaking your head. 
Are we allowed to talk about 

465
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,200
this? 
We absolutely should talk about 

466
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,280
it. 
It's the phrase. 

467
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,080
It's that FDA approved phrase. 
This is, I mean this is, this is

468
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600
what is blowing my mind. 
We know that you know about 14 

469
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,000
of these peptides. 
RFK Junior is talking about 

470
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,280
moving them off of that category
to bulk substance list. 

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,440
Previously they were not FDA 
approved. 

472
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240
Now that I have a little bit 
more color on what that phrase 

473
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,120
means, I'm kind of interested. 
Doesn't matter if they get moved

474
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,920
to the FDA approved list. 
Can you talk about that a 

475
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840
little? 
Bit they're not FDA approved, 

476
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,880
they're not FDA unapproved. 
By the way, as an aside, just 

477
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,360
because something's not approved
doesn't mean it's unapproved or 

478
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,560
disapproved. 
What it means is the FDA has not

479
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,160
yet evaluated. 
For marketing claims for. 

480
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,440
Marketing claims, so they do 
anyway. 

481
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,040
They're limited to that by 
Congress. 

482
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,720
So if you look at most 
supplements, because you know, I

483
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400
have AI have a nutraceutical and
on the jar it says the FDA has 

484
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,400
not evaluated these claims. 
Unapproved or not yet approved 

485
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480
doesn't mean unapproved doesn't 
mean disapproved. 

486
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,600
But you see that phrase all the 
time because people don't know 

487
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,080
what they're talking about. 
Listen, people, just because if,

488
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,200
if if you said, hey, Jeff, do 
you like doctor so and so I 

489
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,800
might say, I don't know that's 
neutral, right? 

490
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280
I might say I don't like him. 
All right, so I like him. 

491
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,960
Like there are three options. 
Well, the FDA when they haven't 

492
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,800
yet approved something doesn't 
mean it's unapproved. 

493
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,440
So cautious there. 
Now on to the peptides. 

494
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,280
So moving them from one category
list to another category list 

495
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,960
has nothing to do with them 
being approved or unapproved or 

496
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,120
disapproved. 
That is just a guidance for A5O3

497
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,600
compounding pharmacies. 
Five O 3 is code for how those 

498
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,200
are regulated, how those 
compounding pharmacies, it's not

499
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,040
directly related to patients or 
doctors or medical care because 

500
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,520
they have no jurisdiction there,
but it indirectly in terms of 

501
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,200
ease of access, you know is a 
thing. 

502
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,240
So yes, it adds credibility that
the FDA is saying, hey, these 

503
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,480
are useful healthy things 
potentially we should at least 

504
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,960
make them available. 
We don't if you get right down 

505
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,040
to the very roots of the FDA, 
they don't want to over 

506
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,600
regulate. 
They're the arm of big pharma. 

507
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,640
They are the government arm of 
Big Pharma. 

508
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,480
Big implant, right? 
Because it's drugs and devices. 

509
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,360
Well, and because we know that, 
you know, studies, especially 

510
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,240
studies for pharmaceuticals, are
funded by the drug companies, 

511
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,440
not funded by the FDA 
themselves, right? 

512
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Yeah. 
Interesting. 

513
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,920
OK All right, so basically this 
is just RFK Junior being kind of

514
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,480
a badass. 
You know, maybe a little bit 

515
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,160
more publicity than policy. 
Well, I hope it leads to some 

516
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,960
policy. 
You know, I mean, I guess it is 

517
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,320
leading a little bit here when 
they're moving these back to 

518
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,800
some of these peptides, back to 
categories, but peptide 

519
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,520
therapies are exploding and 
they're only moving, what, 14, 

520
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,560
right? 
You know they need to move 50. 

521
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,160
Right. 
That would be kind of amazing. 

522
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,760
I, I know just in my research 
they're saying that for 

523
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,280
instance, BPC 157, CJC 1295, 
these, these did not have 

524
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,360
sufficient research originally. 
This is back in 2023 and This is

525
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,360
why they got moved to this, you 
know, category 2 bulk substance 

526
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,960
list. 
Talk to me about some of the 

527
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,760
research with peptides. 
There's tons of research to do, 

528
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,200
the homework, go to pub Med. 
It's out there and there's 

529
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,480
plenty. 
A lot of it comes from Russia 

530
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040
when it's where it started. 
These are naturally occurring 

531
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,640
substances, and did you pay 
attention to the ones that did 

532
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,400
not get moved back onto that 
list? 

533
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,040
For instance. 
GLPS. 

534
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,800
Well, they were never, they were
never on the the category 2 

535
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560
list, right? 
Well, so this is this is Eli 

536
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Lilly pulling strings, right? 
This is Eli Lilly that shut down

537
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,840
peptide sciences. 
This is Eli Lilly that controls 

538
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,720
GLPS and you know, trillion 
dollar with Reto trutaid. 

539
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,520
And why is Reto Trutaid not yet 
approved for marketing claims 

540
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,440
people? 
Because they haven't squeaked 

541
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
every penny out of tirzepatide 
yet. 

542
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,400
OK. 
Wait, so you're saying trillion 

543
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,480
dollar potential industry for 
rata trutide? 

544
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,880
What is Tirzepatide? 
So rewinding GLPS, the very 

545
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,920
first GLP on the market semi 
glutide. 

546
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,920
I just mean from like a 
financial perspective, if we're 

547
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,440
expecting a trillion dollar 
industry. 

548
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Like, I don't, I don't know they
I'm sure hundreds of billions, 

549
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
you know, but we're talking that
rata trutide has evidence that 

550
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,560
it reverses fatty liver besides 
the weight loss, the insulin 

551
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,080
sensitivity improvement, the 
anti-inflammatory long term 

552
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,280
benefits, reduced dementia, 
cancer diagnosis, cardiac 

553
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,240
events. 
You know, there are long enough 

554
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000
term studies showing this stuff.
So it's it's out there you can 

555
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
find it. 
And Eli Lilly and the government

556
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,600
know all know that Renatruta is 
ready for prime time, but they 

557
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,600
they haven't yet approved it for
marketing claims because 

558
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,000
strategically they want that 
full monetized life cycle out of

559
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,880
the last GOP which is 
tirzepatide. 

560
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,360
And makes total sense. 
Also hasn't helped that I've 

561
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,440
been watching the last season of
Goliath lately. 

562
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,120
I have to watch it Totally about
pharmaceuticals. 

563
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Oh my God. 
I do want to talk about this a 

564
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840
little bit more though. 
So I like clinically, personally

565
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,840
with myself, my clients, they 
obviously order through a 

566
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,480
physician, not me. 
I like tirzepatide for midlife 

567
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,200
women. 
I am aware of some of the 

568
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,200
research, the studies on 
Redditru tide. 

569
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,480
I do think it's fantastic. 
There's a subset that of my 

570
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
client population I do work with
particularly like younger men 

571
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,920
that seem to thrive on 
Redditutide. 

572
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,520
And so I'm curious in your 
clinical experience with what 

573
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,400
you're using with your with your
patients not to diagnose, treat 

574
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,760
or prescribe, just to help them 
with a lifestyle perspective, 

575
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,120
right. 
What is your clinical experience

576
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,200
using some of these GOP ones? 
Yeah, I mean listen, Redditutide

577
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,520
is has been superior in my hands
than than the others. 

578
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,200
And I didn't have Redditutide 
till a few years ago. 

579
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,000
We were using other you know, 
semi glutide, tirzepatide to 

580
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,080
summer glutide and or 
tirzepatide. 

581
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Meaning what? 
Meaning what? 

582
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,040
They just can't lose the weight.
They just can't, you know, And 

583
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,560
of course we look at everything.
We're looking at thyroid and 

584
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,520
hormones. 
Hormones are a big driver, 

585
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,560
especially in women. 
Sorry ladies, but it's it's 

586
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,240
unfortunate that you have such a
drastic hormonal change compared

587
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
to men who have a very slow 
gradual hormonal change. 

588
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640
Easy, easier to jump in and fix 
that. 

589
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Women are so delicate with the 
hormone balance and challenging 

590
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,880
and complex and amazing. 
Oh well. 

591
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,000
I. 
Can't live without them so so 

592
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Reddit true tide you are seeing 
as a boon to to patients who 

593
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,920
would originally start on some 
glutide enter his uptide or is 

594
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800
it your first line of 
intervention with maybe like 

595
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
midlife women nowadays I go 
right to. 

596
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,240
It, it's just really, it's so 
effective and has these 

597
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,160
additional benefits. 
So I, I, I'm a Reddit true Tide 

598
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,800
fan, so it's not 
one-size-fits-all, but that's my

599
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,840
early first, you know, 
ammunition. 

600
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,680
I go to it made me hungrier. 
And it makes a lot of my clients

601
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320
hungrier that I was trying with,
which is why I'm such a fan of 

602
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,240
tirzepatide. 
So that Glucagon piece, I feel 

603
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,680
like with the GLP 3 tends to 
really, you know, affect women's

604
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440
hunger when they're trying to 
eat less food in midlife. 

605
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,040
I have found it seems to work 
well. 

606
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040
If you're exercising a lot and 
you're really dialed in with 

607
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,440
your lifestyle, then maybe that 
extra, you know, GLP piece can 

608
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
be helpful. 
But I'm curious to maybe get 

609
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,360
more data or case studies on 
that. 

610
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,920
But they got to be exercising. 
So if you're not exercising out 

611
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,640
there and you think the GOP is 
going to fix your issues and 

612
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,440
help you lose weight, that's not
a healthy way to go about it. 

613
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,440
So yes, yeah, say it. 
Say it again for the people. 

614
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,320
In the back the easiest and. 
Cheapest thing you can do for 

615
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,120
longevity, for health, for 
everything, for cell signaling 

616
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200
is exercise. 
So what does that? 

617
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Specifically look like for the 
midlife women's set well I. 

618
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,280
Love a Little Mix. 
I love a little cardio. 

619
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,480
I love a little interval cardio.
If you're a long distance runner

620
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880
and you love it, and I used to 
love it too, it's OK. 

621
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
But the problem is you don't 
have a lot of muscle mass and 

622
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,680
muscle mass is your longevity 
organ and and I mean a feminine 

623
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
muscle build. 
I wasn't, you know, speaking to 

624
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560
the Arnold Schwarzenegger crowd 
out there. 

625
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Although if you want that, you 
can have it, you really need to 

626
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760
do you need to bring muscles 
into failure. 

627
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,960
So when I lift weights, for 
example, and I think this 

628
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,560
applies to women too, I don't do
three sets of 10 like we learned

629
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,160
in high school. 
That's just a tradition. 

630
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,360
There's no science behind that. 
I'm doing mostly one set to 

631
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,240
failure. 
So I like to use machines now, 

632
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,480
not the free weights as much. 
Machines isolate muscle groups. 

633
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,440
They, you know, less injury with
that, you know, sometimes you 

634
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,840
injure yourself just carrying 
the dumbbell over to the bench. 

635
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200
You're saying, you know, so we 
want to keep it simple. 

636
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,360
So work out some more efficient.
I love core, but not just AB 

637
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600
crunches. 
I mean core like Pilates. 

638
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,320
I love flexibility for women. 
I love yoga. 

639
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,920
So those and not just women 
actually for men too, but in the

640
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,280
workouts might be a little 
different and you know, we're 

641
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,720
looking for different amounts of
bulk men might do you know, 

642
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880
pyramid sets that they want to 
build chest, whereas I love the 

643
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,840
one set to failure. 
If you only have 20 minutes, you

644
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,560
can get a lot done for my women 
who've. 

645
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,680
Never done that before. 
Walk me through what one set to 

646
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,400
failure might look like with a 
specific exercise. 

647
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Example, you're shooting for 15 
to. 40 reps of that's what you 

648
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560
dial in the weight. 
So for example, let's say you 

649
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,880
want to do bicep curls. 
So you, you figure out the 

650
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,320
weight. 
So it takes some trial and error

651
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,000
that you start lifting, but you 
will get to a point where you 

652
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
can't go anymore. 
And that should be between 15 

653
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,160
and 40 reps If you can go 70 
reps, that weight was too light.

654
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,080
If you can only do 3 reps, the 
weight was too heavy and you 

655
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,720
find that Goldilocks weight. 
And then at that failure, at 

656
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120
that last one, that's where the 
work is done. 

657
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,000
That's where your muscles 
release peptides called myokines

658
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,040
or extra kinds that stimulate 
the brain and release BDNF, 

659
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,120
brain derived neurotrophic 
factor to prevent dementia. 

660
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,880
That's where you get the muscle 
growth, the toning, That's where

661
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,720
you get the fat burning. 
So if you you're going to burn 

662
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,240
more fat doing that than than 
going 30 minutes on the 

663
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Stairmaster, nothing wrong with 
30 minutes on the Stairmaster. 

664
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160
You can do that too. 
But if you're not getting the 

665
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960
results, that might be why. 
OK, very cool. 

666
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Myokines, I have not heard of 
that before. 

667
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Is that, are they related to 
some of the growth hormone 

668
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120
secreted gogs or they are they 
you know, released when growth 

669
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,440
hormones pulsed? 
Yeah, they're they can. 

670
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Be but they're really released 
during exercise during use of 

671
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,720
muscles in the Latin root for 
muscles. 

672
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Myo right, like myofascial 
release is a good massage. 

673
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,400
So myokines are released and 
they have, that's what one of 

674
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,280
the reasons why exercise is so 
healthy for the rest of the body

675
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,240
because there's a communication 
between that exercise element, 

676
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,680
if it's done right to failure. 
You got to get to that hard. 

677
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,040
That's where the work is done. 
That's where the rubber meets 

678
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960
the road right there. 
And there are sometimes called 

679
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,200
exer kinds because you exercise,
it releases kinds which are 

680
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,880
proteins or peptides. 
So back to the peptides, here we

681
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,560
come. 
That's why it's so crucial, 

682
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000
important, basic, primitive, 
preserved in nature. 

683
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,480
You've heard of heat shock 
proteins, for example. 

684
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320
What are heat shock proteins? 
These are very primitive 

685
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,720
proteins that are found within 
exosomes, by the way, that are 

686
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
released during hormetic 
activities. 

687
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Hormesis like hot sauna, like 
cold plunge, like high intensity

688
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,120
exercise, like fasting. 
They're survival proteins. 

689
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,040
They help get rid of senescent 
zombie cells and improve the 

690
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,000
health and suppress the 
inflammation of your own cells 

691
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,199
To have you have a younger cell 
population, drive down your 

692
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,719
biological age, promote health, 
Wellness and longevity. 

693
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,199
All species make heat shock 
proteins. 

694
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,920
We're talking about bacteria. 
We're talking about the bacteria

695
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,360
in your gut. 
We're talking about molds and 

696
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,360
mushrooms and fungi and 
prokaryotes. 

697
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,719
And remember all these words, 
Plants have them. 

698
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,800
Plants make exosomes. 
So that's how they deliver their

699
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,040
phytonutrients. 
That was actually my first. 

700
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,639
Foray into exosomes. 
There's a Wellness Center here 

701
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,800
in town and my girlfriend owns 
it and she put me on some plant 

702
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,679
exosomes for a month trying to, 
you know, help with some 

703
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,080
digestive issues. 
So I was interesting to me, not 

704
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,280
sure. 
I'm not sure if I took them the 

705
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
right way or if they did 
anything, you know, but it was, 

706
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,200
it was fun to try something new 
and they certainly, they 

707
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,000
certainly were like 3000 to 
$10,000 exosome therapy. 

708
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,360
So I, I am interested in talking
a little bit more about re 

709
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,400
celebrate, but you just provided
me a really nice transition into

710
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,280
biohacking. 
I said I wanted to circle back 

711
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200
with that and, you know, getting
your body to release some of 

712
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,920
those heat shock proteins. 
And especially for our midlife 

713
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,280
women set. 
I know there's like some other 

714
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,280
people that listen to this 
podcast, but it's mostly women 

715
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,600
like me, you know, like between 
40 and 50 years old, like 

716
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,440
relatively healthy and trying to
optimize. 

717
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
And so my son's been sending me 
some of these, you know, 

718
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Instagram posts and stories here
and there that says, you know, 

719
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,640
some of these biohacking 
techniques for women, such as 

720
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,560
cold plunge therapy and sauna, 
might not be as efficacious as 

721
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,200
we once thought they were. 
Do you have some thoughts on 

722
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,600
that? 
No, I've read about that too. 

723
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Fasting, for example, is, you 
know, especially if you're still

724
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,240
having cycles, fasting can 
really mess you up. 

725
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:56,160
So there are benefits, you just 
have to dial in and try 

726
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,640
different ones. 
I'm big fan of hot sauna. 

727
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,840
I, I think the Finnish, meaning 
people from Finland have 

728
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000
incredible papers, long, long, 
long longitudinal papers over 

729
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,880
years showing the health 
benefits, the, you know, fewer 

730
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,080
cancer diagnosis and, and things
like that. 

731
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,400
I also think a lot of people 
trying some of these hormetic 

732
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,840
activities that you listed, the 
biohacking aren't dialed in on 

733
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,720
the other elements. 
So for women that you know is 

734
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,520
starts with hormones and hormone
optimization and might include 

735
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,120
peptides and might include diet 
changes and protein intake, 

736
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,440
which is we're all largely 
deficient and we're not getting 

737
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,160
enough protein. 
You do all those things, I think

738
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,400
you're going to get it enhanced 
benefit out of a hot sauna or a 

739
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960
cold plunge. 
Although I personally like the 

740
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,240
hot sauna, the cold plunge turns
out to be, you know what, cold. 

741
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Yeah. 
But if you could do it. 

742
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Good for you, you're better for 
it. 

743
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,160
I probably need to just get over
it and do it, but the hot sauna 

744
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,320
I could do no problem. 
It's 180 degrees, 25 minutes 

745
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,360
until my heart rate's 140, then 
I get out before I get too 

746
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,280
dizzy. 
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the cold.

747
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,400
Plunge either for for those 
obvious reasons, but I do want 

748
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,720
to go back to these finished 
studies. 

749
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,480
So this is this brings up an 
interesting area of reflection. 

750
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,760
I think. 
So like people from Finland, 

751
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,360
they've probably been using, you
know, sauna therapy their whole 

752
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,040
life. 
They probably get raised in the 

753
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,120
sauna. 
It's probably just part of the 

754
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,000
culture. 
I would assume. 

755
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Maybe I'm making a, you know, a 
wild assumption. 

756
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,600
No, no, you assume you're right.
But then, you know, Americans 

757
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,640
were like, oh hell yeah, cold 
plunge sauna. 

758
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Let's do it. 
So we go and like go full bore 

759
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,200
and we go 110% and then we might
say, well, why didn't that do 

760
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,520
the same for me as it was doing 
for the people in this study? 

761
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Because you haven't done it 
your. 

762
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,240
Entire life and you're probably 
not eating like a fin and you're

763
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,720
probably a lot of seafood and 
Omega threes and things like 

764
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,760
that. 
But and you probably don't have 

765
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,480
that social piece. 
We're all dialed into our, our 

766
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,720
cell phones and computers. 
So fins have other things, but 

767
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:57,960
you and you got to do it a long 
time. 

768
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,600
You got to do, you know, five 
days a week, you got to do 180°.

769
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,920
Sorry, kids, but your infrared 
sauna ain't going to get it 

770
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,280
done. 
It doesn't get hot enough. 

771
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Got to be 180 a 185. 
You, you got to be in there for 

772
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,840
20 to 25 minutes and, and 
develop that routine. 

773
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,400
And, you know, you, if you've 
heard Rhonda Patrick speak on 

774
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,440
this, she, she's done the deep 
dive. 

775
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Another Burke Kellian, by the 
way. 

776
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,600
You know, she Yeah, I learned a 
lot of this from listening to 

777
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,920
her and read and read, reviewing
the papers that she quotes. 

778
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,800
So our most sauna is like at. 
Wellness centers or they set it 

779
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,080
like 180°. 
Some yes, some no. 

780
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,840
The one at. 
Our local gym is, but our gym 

781
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,200
has a sibling gym around the 
side of the of I'm in Las Vegas 

782
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,560
around the other side of town. 
People tell me that one's at 160

783
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,360
or 165. 
It's not not doing much for you.

784
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,520
I mean, it probably feels good. 
You get it. 

785
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,480
You get a little sweat out of 
that, but you're not getting the

786
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,200
real health and longevity 
benefits, the real hormetic 

787
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
release, the heat shock protein 
benefits that you need. 

788
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,600
OK. 
All right. 

789
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,800
That's good to know. 
So we mentioned infrared or no 

790
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720
actually hot sauna at 180°, not 
infrared sauna. 

791
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,880
We mentioned a little bit about 
cold plunging. 

792
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,800
Tell me about some of the other 
biohacking techniques that 

793
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,040
you've integrated over the past 
couple of years that are truly 

794
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,600
making a difference for you. 
Well, I intermittent. 

795
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Feeding, also known as 
intermittent fasting or not 

796
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,040
eating until lunch. 
In my world that's easy for me, 

797
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,320
it just comes really easy. 
You know, I get up early, I work

798
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,720
out, I have to get to work real 
quick and then I'm busy with 

799
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,280
patients all morning and it oh, 
it's noon, maybe I'm hungry. 

800
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Of course I am on GLP, I'm on 
red. 

801
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400
I've been a retta, low dose 
Retta for a long time, not for 

802
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,720
any weight loss, but I love not 
being hungry. 

803
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,280
I love the anti-inflammatory 
benefits. 

804
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,240
I love how I feel. 
So that helps. 

805
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080
But I don't know that women do 
as well with that. 

806
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,800
And I think because they're so 
protein deficient generally. 

807
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,920
So my my wife was sort of 
adopting that lifestyle with me,

808
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,040
but we've gone now to she has a 
little protein in the morning 

809
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,440
up, even if it's a protein 
drink. 

810
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,480
We were big. 
It's so hard to get proteins. 

811
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,680
So we're big fans of those big 
box have a couple different 

812
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,560
brands of those low. 
Either they're non sugar or they

813
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,240
have two or three carbs per can 
of 30 grams of protein, whey 

814
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,000
protein and they make chocolate.
So I'm like drinking chocolate 

815
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,800
milk all day. 
She's drinking chocolate milk 

816
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680
all day. 
So we love those. 

817
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,080
We do that. 
Let's see, what else do we do? 

818
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,080
A lot of infrared for our skin. 
We have infrared masks at home. 

819
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,000
I have a hat, we have a face, we
have a neck one. 

820
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Now we have one for, you know, 
your joints if you're needing 

821
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,800
it. 
We're, we're investing in a 

822
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,240
pulse electromagnetic field map,
a mat, 10th mat that that has 

823
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,040
been on our radar for a while. 
Is that like a? 

824
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Is it a grounding? 
Mat essentially no, no, it's. 

825
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Not although we do have a 
grounding mattress cover on our 

826
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,200
bed and plugged into the ground.
And although I'm I'm not sure 

827
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,960
that's 100% working because the 
there's still some electric 

828
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,040
static in the ground circuit. 
So some people have a separate 

829
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,400
ground just for that. 
I haven't, I'm not that 

830
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,520
elaborate. 
I require a contractor to come 

831
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
to the house and put that in. 
We try we try to get out and get

832
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,440
some sun. 
Now, even though we used to be 

833
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,160
sun phobic, we're not using a 
lot of sunscreen unless it's 

834
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,440
like supernatural and and safe. 
You're here. 

835
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,320
We. 
We. 

836
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,400
Took the kids. 
To or the grandkids, I should 

837
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,960
say to Disneyland twice in the 
last six months cuz we got the 

838
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,080
annual passes this year, cuz 
we're crazy and we make it a 

839
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,080
biohacking endeavor. 
We'll get 20,000 steps a day. 

840
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,360
We will if we're standing in any
line, if there's, you know, the 

841
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,720
bar, the rail, you know for the 
lines to go on a ride. 

842
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,120
We will do tricep dips, we'll do
a single leg squats. 

843
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,200
We, we now invested in weight 
weighted vests that we have and 

844
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,640
we, we started out with a simple
one. 

845
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,800
Now we have these really nice 
ones that zip up and they, they 

846
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000
kind of form fit. 
So we'll walk the dog in those 

847
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,400
twice a day. 
I'll wear it, you know, if I'm 

848
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,520
doing errands on the weekend 
like I did yesterday, I wore it 

849
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560
all day, you know, So those are 
the kind of, I'm sure I'm 

850
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,320
missing some because we're doing
that all the time. 

851
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,320
You know, we do a lot of 
supplements, although my wife 

852
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,640
has pill fatigue, so we're 
trying to simplify that. 

853
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,160
A lot of Omega threes. 
I don't love fermented foods, 

854
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,640
but we'll do yogurt. 
We want, we want the probiotics 

855
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,720
in our diet, things like that. 
Jeff, would you identify? 

856
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,920
As a type AI think I would, 
yeah. 

857
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,240
I'm just picturing. 
You and your wife tricep dips at

858
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,280
Disneyland. 
I got video of that I got. 

859
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,440
The best place to do tricep dips
at Disneyland is actually at 

860
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,160
California Adventure, waiting to
get on the Incredi coaster. 

861
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,440
It's a little bit higher, and so
right before you get on, you got

862
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,320
to knockout. 20 dips for me. 
OK, noted. 

863
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,840
Noted It's also one of our 
favorite places. 

864
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,840
I went there for my birthday 
this year with all four of my 

865
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
kids. 
We had a great time, so I will 

866
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,200
be picking that up one day. 
Suit here. 

867
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Nice. 
I want to go back to Rudda. 

868
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,080
So obviously, I mean, you are 
fit, you are healthy, your 

869
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,480
lifestyle's optimized, but you 
read the research and you 

870
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,280
thought that the far reaching 
benefits of Rudda went beyond 

871
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,680
just weight loss. 
So walk me through what that 

872
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,520
looks like for you. 
I know you probably can't say 

873
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,320
like you're the dose you're on, 
like I say the dose or mono. 

874
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,400
Is that a secret? 
I don't care. 

875
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
I'm on. 
I'm on 4 milligrams. 

876
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,120
When I was trying to lose a 
couple pounds a few years ago, I

877
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,400
was on 8 and I just titrated 
down to four. 4 is my happy 

878
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,120
place. 
My wife's on 2 milligrams. 

879
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,880
She was going to say 4, kind of.
Sounds like a lot. 

880
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,720
Actually not. 
It's just, well, everyone's. 

881
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,840
Different. 
I needed it. 

882
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,360
How tall are you? 
I'm. 511. 

883
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Most of my life I was 185 lbs 
I'm 165. 

884
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,480
OK, body. 
Wait, I could tell you my. 

885
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Body fat. 
All right, let's see it. 

886
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,160
I want to. 
I took a. 

887
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Picture of it the other day. 
Let's. 

888
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,160
OK, here it is on the on the I 
use the in body at the gym. 

889
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,520
My body fat by percentage body 
fat 12.6. 

890
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,400
All right, pretty damn low. 
There you go. 

891
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,120
You know I look a. 
Little better than when I was 

892
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,360
180 a 185 lbs, but it's it's the
fat I've lost cause I've I've 

893
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,720
worked to maintain the muscle. 
Yeah, I could use a little extra

894
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,880
muscle. 
I probably need to work harder 

895
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,160
at that. 
Well, that's what I do like 

896
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,920
about. 
Terzipatide and right a trutide 

897
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,720
versus lira or semaglutide is 
the muscle preserving benefit. 

898
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,600
So I, I've seen that myself, my 
husband, my client science for 

899
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,440
sure. 
I know that the data, you know, 

900
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,040
supports that. 
So like I said, walk me through 

901
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,160
your decision, maybe your wife's
decision to use a low lower dose

902
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,160
of rotatide and what some of the
benefits that you either see or 

903
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,160
are expecting to see are. 
Well, she will tell you she. 

904
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Likes not being hungry or snacky
like she likes. 

905
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,720
No food noise, same she loves. 
That she also likes. 

906
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,280
Being at the lowest weight, you 
know, her freshman college 

907
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,320
weight or whatever, I like that 
too. 

908
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,120
So I don't know that you 
necessarily can feel the long 

909
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,720
term health benefits as they're 
happening, but I think there's 

910
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,880
an expectation that you might 
feel better when you're, your 

911
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,400
insulin sensitivity is optimized
and I, I feel good. 

912
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,440
So I, I think that's one of the 
things I do. 

913
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,040
We do so many things, it's hard 
to know what makes us feel good.

914
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,920
But we're big peptide users. 
We have a refrigerator shelf 

915
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,400
just for that. 
We, we try a lot of different 

916
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,960
peptides. 
You know, Roy's, Roy's 

917
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,560
experimenting 'cause I don't 
wanna offer to my patients 

918
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,680
unless I've dabbled in it. 
So you're looking at me right 

919
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,600
now. 
I'm darker than I normally am 

920
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,720
because I elanatan I did some. 
Elanatan too. 

921
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,800
I started Thanksgiving, I did it
for about 6 weeks and then I 

922
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,120
tapered off. 
So but it lasts a little bit. 

923
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,000
Yeah. 
OK. 

924
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,920
I'm curious about Melanitan. 
Two, I know Melanitan 1 

925
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,440
theoretically is said to be a 
little bit safer than Melanitan 

926
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,280
2. 
So can you walk me through maybe

927
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,200
that discrepancy with some of 
the potential, you know, cancer 

928
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,560
effects? 
This is just, this is just from 

929
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,200
cursory research. 
So walk me through. 

930
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,160
Yeah, no, the research. 
Is very mixed on these in terms 

931
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,320
of the research on safety. 
Not a claim on safety, but I 

932
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,800
went with melanotan too after 
doing my reading and that 

933
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,880
reading was back in October. 
So I don't have it memorized, 

934
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,200
but I felt like that's the one I
wanted to try and it did work. 

935
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,680
I got no, I'm, I'm a, I'm a 
ginger, so I freckle and I had a

936
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,160
lot of pigmented spots. 
I even went to my dermatologist 

937
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
like are these OK? 
She actually biopsied some. 

938
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,440
I came back just extra pigment. 
So there I'm a test case. 

939
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,800
I'm a I'm a Canary in the coal 
mine for everyone. 

940
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Now the libido part from the 
fragment of Melanotan 2 called 

941
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,680
PT 141, which you can get 
separately was was really good. 

942
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,240
Interesting. 
All right, I. 

943
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,960
Know I use PT141 a lot of my 
clients have. 

944
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,720
I'm experimenting with different
ways to deliver it. 

945
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,280
I did feel like the injectable 
led to more nausea. 

946
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Oh, for sure, totally. 
Kills your libido. 

947
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,360
By the way. 
Oh, sure, Yeah, you got to take.

948
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,840
This a few hours before and let 
that little bloating and tummy 

949
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,920
ache pass, which you get with 
the Melanotan 2 by the way. 

950
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,000
So I, I got to, I was taking 
Melanotan 2 at bedtime. 

951
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,440
So OK, I'm ready to go to sleep.
I would have it on my night 

952
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,080
stand. 
I just take it right there. 

953
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,600
And because I, I didn't want to 
suffer that. 

954
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,040
So you go to sleep, maybe you 
don't feel it. 

955
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400
And that worked for me. 
OK, interesting. 

956
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,560
Is that would you recommend 
injectables for PT141 or like 

957
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,000
the intranasal or a buccal 
strip? 

958
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,400
So I I didn't have. 
Success with a 1 milligram 

959
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,800
strip. 
I know that some companies are 

960
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,080
working on a 2 1/2 milligram 
strip, so I'll try that. 

961
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,840
I haven't tried the intranasal, 
but you know when you look at 

962
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,480
bioavailability, injectable is 
head and shoulders above all 

963
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,320
other forms. 
And I did a little post on that.

964
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,360
I studied it, made a graph and 
posted if you if you scroll back

965
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,480
in my social media a couple of 
months, you'll find it and it 

966
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,400
shows the difference between 
oral and intranasal and 

967
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,160
liposomal, oral and topical and 
stuff like that. 

968
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,720
OK, very fascinating. 
I. 

969
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,960
Will go through and find that 
and probably repost it with the 

970
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,160
you know, attributes to you 
because I think that is 

971
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,920
interesting because there are 
people they they say they're you

972
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920
know nervous about injections. 
I totally get it. 

973
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400
But it's so funny now after 
using them for so long, it's 

974
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,360
just like, it's not a big deal. 
There's clients, you know, and 

975
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,760
friends that I'll go over to him
like this is how you do it, Like

976
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,560
not a big deal. 
And they always say, Oh yeah, I 

977
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,720
didn't even feel it. 
That's that's what they say. 

978
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,280
Yeah, it. 
Was it was the idea of it more 

979
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,320
than the IT doesn't hurt, but 
now a little bit of copper will 

980
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
sting for a couple minutes. 
So yeah, copper and glutathione.

981
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,720
Listen ladies, you've. 
Done way more painful things 

982
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,200
than this. 
Trust me, if you've given birth,

983
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:11,560
this is nothing True true. 
Although all right, peptides 

984
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,880
over waxing. 
I love it. 

985
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,040
Oh man, OK, so so you did 
mention you and your wife are 

986
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,040
you know, you have a pretty 
hefty peptide stack. 

987
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,280
What does that peptide stack 
look like currently at the gross

988
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,800
house? 
So we have. 

989
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,040
We do our, our Retta once a 
week. 

990
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,360
We have CLO with copper, which 
is BBC157TB500 KPV 

991
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,640
anti-inflammatory and copper. 
And we'll do that usually a 

992
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,600
little bit every night. 
If we go to Disneyland and we're

993
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,440
crushing it, we'll triple dose 
it. 

994
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,440
We've got some, I have some 
PT141 now that I'm off the line 

995
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,440
of 10/2 that I'm playing with 
and using strategically the 

996
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,920
let's see what else she's on 
some IPA Morlin CJC 1295. 

997
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,440
I actually have done GH for many
years. 

998
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,360
So I just stay on that. 
Probably could go back to IPA 

999
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,920
Morlin CJC, but I'm just locked 
in on on the GH. 

1000
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,680
We both are on optimized hormone
schedules. 

1001
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,960
I wouldn't necessarily call that
peptide, but I think it's 

1002
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,080
important we do. 
We do some skin products that 

1003
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,360
have peptides we're using. 
We use one skin also we're 

1004
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,760
trying Young Goose is coming up.
I'm not product place placing 

1005
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,640
those. 
I'm just telling you 

1006
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,040
transparently what we're trying.
So I'm trying really hard to be 

1007
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920
good to my skin because guys 
aren't good at that, but the 

1008
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,840
ladies tend to be way better at 
it. 

1009
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,560
So I'm getting encouragement 
there. 

1010
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,240
We've tried some like Dyhexa 
oral and things like that. 

1011
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,960
We have so she she's on some 
different or functional Dr. 

1012
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,680
house on different oral ones. 
Peptides. 

1013
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,320
I'm not I don't know if they're 
moving the needle or not. 

1014
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,720
We try them and then we're about
to do a course of epithelon for 

1015
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,760
anti aging purposes and some 
thymosin beta one. 

1016
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,120
OK. 
All right. 

1017
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,680
OK, good stuff. 
I like it. 

1018
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,600
I think when you and I first 
talked a couple weeks ago, I 

1019
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,080
will do I just did a Fox O 4 
protocol for senescent cells. 

1020
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,920
So let's talk about that a 
little bit because when when my 

1021
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,480
practitioner introduced that to 
me, I was the first I'd heard of

1022
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,760
it. 
And now I'm hearing about it 

1023
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,440
more and more. 
I just finished Doctor Seeds 

1024
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,520
book Heptide Protocols 1. 
And it's that theme is woven 

1025
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,560
throughout the entire book. 
It's not that long of a book, 

1026
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,840
but you know, senescent cells 
being, you know, the cause of 

1027
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,200
aging obviously, or one of the 
drivers. 

1028
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,080
And so can we talk about that a 
little bit? 

1029
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Yeah, senescent cells. 
Also known as zombie cells are, 

1030
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,400
you know, cells that have had so
much inflammation, they're done 

1031
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,360
dividing and they're just sort 
of not contributing to the 

1032
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,200
community. 
They're not doing their job. 

1033
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,240
They get bloated with pro 
inflammatory cytokines. 

1034
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,800
They leak like a leaky gut. 
They're a leaky cell and they 

1035
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,440
float around. 
And the more of those you have, 

1036
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,680
they're older. 
The word senescent means senas 

1037
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
or senile. 
The other older cells, more 

1038
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,200
those you have, the more older 
your cell population is. 

1039
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,040
So you got to clear these out. 
You can do it through hormesis, 

1040
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,400
you can do it. 
Your natural killer cell system 

1041
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,240
can do that. 
So you can stimulate natural 

1042
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:00,280
killer cells with glutathione 
with, you know, other hormesis 

1043
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,880
also other things. 
Transfer factor is a supplement 

1044
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,360
you might look at for that. 
But as it turns out, Fox O 4 DRI

1045
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,400
is also an anti senescent cell 
driver. 

1046
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,320
So I think that's a great one. 
It's a little hard to get. 

1047
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,040
Not all suppliers have it, but 
and and it's a little pricier 

1048
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,000
than most of the run-of-the-mill
peptides. 

1049
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,240
Look, we're saying 
run-of-the-mill peptides, even 

1050
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,560
though people that haven't heard
of peptides, none of that's 

1051
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,200
run-of-the-mill. 
But you know, we talked about 

1052
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,080
longevity peptides a whole 
different topic. 

1053
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,040
You know, you've got you've got 
the epitalum, the thymus and 

1054
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,080
beta. 
You've got Fox O 4 DRI. 

1055
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,480
You've got, you know, rounds of 
mitochondrial peptides. 

1056
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400
You got other bio regulator type
peptides. 

1057
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,000
You've got Klotho. 
I mean, we could do a whole 

1058
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,040
couple of shows just on those 
and hopefully we shall because 

1059
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,360
that. 
Sounds really fun and 

1060
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,440
interesting. 
I do love talking about the GLP 

1061
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
ones and women's GLP one 
journeys, but there's just so 

1062
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,160
much more to get into within the
peptide space. 

1063
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,720
So it reminds me, I did want to 
go back and ask because my 

1064
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,360
husband Beau is always like 
Jenny. 

1065
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,600
I want to go on the glow stack. 
I want to go on the close stack.

1066
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,680
And like I believe those 
peptides are supposed to be 

1067
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,600
dosed at different dosing 
schedules and don't necessarily 

1068
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,840
follow the exact same dosing 
schedule, but I am not an expert

1069
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,200
on that. 
So can you walk me through those

1070
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,280
are really popular stacks, Like 
really popular, Yeah, So. 

1071
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Yeah, so. 
It's a four peptide blend and 

1072
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,160
it's a single injection. 
You don't have to do 4 separate 

1073
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,960
injections. 
So many suppliers have it all 

1074
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,280
together now. 
So and yes, you can give them 

1075
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,840
all together. 
You'll see some social media 

1076
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,360
about not they're the same pH, 
there's no problem. 

1077
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,280
They don't crystallize. 
Once in my existence I found a 

1078
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,960
bottle I've made-up of peptides 
and after a while in the fridge 

1079
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,120
it looked cloudy. 
I threw it away. 

1080
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,480
If it looks cloudy, don't take 
it. 

1081
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,440
The number one reason peptides 
go bad isn't because they've 

1082
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,800
been in your fridge for three 
months. 

1083
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,920
It's because they got 
contaminated. 

1084
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,840
You didn't use enough alcohol on
the top before you drew from it 

1085
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,000
or whatever. 
It's the bacteria that make them

1086
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,680
go bad. 
I've talked to the people who do

1087
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,600
third party testing. 
They'll tell you that is the 

1088
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,240
number one reason. 
But yeah, many, many peptides. 

1089
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,200
We cycle on and off. 
Some are three times a week. 

1090
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,920
You know GH releasers are at 
night time on an empty stomach 

1091
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,520
five days a week, maybe 2 days 
off. 

1092
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,160
There are some other protocols 
that's common. 

1093
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,680
I think that low dose glow or 
clow you can do everyday and you

1094
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,360
dial it up as you need it. 
That's what I've been doing, I 

1095
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,680
think with a lot of their 
musculoskeletal recovery 

1096
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,280
peptides, the BPC 157TB500, 
commonly the base of a Wolverine

1097
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,040
protocol. 
We underdose. 

1098
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,680
So if you're hurt, you might 
need 2 milligrams of each 

1099
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,280
component daily for a couple of 
weeks. 

1100
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
I mean, that's what Aaron 
Rodgers was doing when he hurt 

1101
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,360
his ankle. 
So, you know, and what's out 

1102
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,800
there is 250 micrograms of each.
So a lot of people said peptide 

1103
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,960
didn't work. 
You're probably way under dosing

1104
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,640
and that's why you need clinical
guidance. 

1105
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,400
You need a Jennifer Woodward or 
you need a doctor, Jeff, to help

1106
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,440
you get through that. 
Very interesting. 

1107
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,240
Just because people get a little
nervous, they're used to the 

1108
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,840
pharmaceutical model where you, 
you know, can very easily 

1109
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,560
overdose on these like atom bomb
pharmaceuticals. 

1110
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,520
But peptides are different just 
because they're so specific, 

1111
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,800
right? 
Like what they're signaling. 

1112
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,000
So can someone overdose on a 
peptide? 

1113
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,680
Oh, you can. 
You can hurt yourself. 

1114
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,960
With the growth hormone 
releasing hormone peptide, yeah.

1115
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,600
But you know, there, there are 
publications like TB500 has been

1116
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,920
tested up to very high doses 
intravenous. 

1117
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520
So we're talking about 
relatively low doses even at two

1118
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,960
or three or 4 milligrams 
subcutaneous. 

1119
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,600
So can you overdose your, you 
can overdose on anything, but 

1120
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,400
you're not you're probably not 
doing it on your Wolverine. 

1121
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,600
OK, fascinating. 
I love it. 

1122
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,600
Let's revisit KPV too, because 
that's the one we don't talk a 

1123
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,280
lot about on the show, but it's 
something I've used, you know, 

1124
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
myself, it's something that I'm 
a huge fan of. 

1125
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,640
So where are you using that 
clinically for your client 

1126
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,920
population and what effects are 
you seeing mostly in It's in the

1127
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,520
closed? 
Stack it's, you know, really 

1128
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,480
good neuro, anti-inflammatory 
and it works in the rest of the 

1129
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,600
body too. 
It's just known for its neuro. 

1130
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,960
So I'll give it to people with 
neurologic issues, Parkinson's, 

1131
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,280
Ms. recovering from a stroke, 
brain injury. 

1132
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,360
It's one of them. 
So I don't always know which 

1133
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,880
one's moving the needle. 
You know, a lot of people do 1 

1134
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,160
peptide at a time and see which 
one you know, as we add and 

1135
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,320
sometimes they're coming out. 
I've had brain injury and I give

1136
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,800
them 3 or 4 at the same time. 
I was like we we can't mess 

1137
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,840
around. 
We got to, we got to jump on 

1138
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,440
this. 
So I don't always know which 

1139
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,800
one's working. 
OK, that's interesting. 

1140
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,720
Can we talk a little bit about 
neurological issues? 

1141
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,960
I mean, Parkinson's, 
Alzheimer's, I know the research

1142
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,240
for GLP ones and Alzheimer's are
pretty impressive, but you know,

1143
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,040
I, I've even read some research 
on GLP ones and Parkinson's. 

1144
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,640
But you just mentioned KPV and 
the other anti-inflammatory, you

1145
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,960
know, mechanisms of action for 
maybe some of these disease 

1146
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,360
states that our audience isn't 
quite, you know, resonating with

1147
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,280
yet, but definitely could be 
soon. 

1148
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Yes. 
So talking about diseases. 

1149
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,360
So this is for educational 
purposes. 

1150
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,680
This is not a marketing claim 
for those of you that want to 

1151
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,120
bury me in the desert again. 
But yeah, there is incredible 

1152
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,440
research. 
So this isn't us making stuff up

1153
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,240
or just, you know, I saw it on 
social media. 

1154
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,720
The GLPS are helping in patients
with Parkinson's. 

1155
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,160
So that's not a claim, but 
research has proven it. 

1156
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,360
So that's the other thing about 
FDA approval for marketing 

1157
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,720
claims is there's good science 
behind a lot of things that just

1158
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,800
aren't getting to the FDA, 
right? 

1159
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,320
They're big pharma making 
pharmaceuticals for Parkinson's.

1160
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,800
So they don't want this GLP 
getting out there, although you 

1161
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,280
think Eli Lilly would, and they 
probably will at some point. 

1162
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Yeah. 
So we're using GLPS in any 

1163
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,800
situation where the insulin 
sensitivity or the glucose 

1164
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,520
handling can be a pro 
inflammatory factor, and we want

1165
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,240
to drive that down. 
So one of those things might be 

1166
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,520
aging. 
That's why we use the GLPS as a 

1167
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,440
longevity Med. 
But other peptides for brain are

1168
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Semax and you know, Selang and 
Cerebro Lysin and you know, ARA 

1169
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,960
290 and of course all the 
mitochondrial peptides. 

1170
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,320
Your brain needs healthy 
mitochondria, Your body needs 

1171
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,960
healthy mitochondria. 
I hope we haven't skated over 

1172
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,560
that, but I'm a big fan of that.
I've seen, I'm going off your 

1173
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,080
question, but I, I've seen 
people with, you know, who've 

1174
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,640
had the COVID vaccine with high 
spike protein levels and, and 

1175
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,600
low, low energy and brain fog. 
We've seen them almost flip back

1176
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,320
into normal with a month of SS31
repairing the membrane of the 

1177
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,520
mitochondria and then a month or
two of Mott C three times a 

1178
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,160
week. 
OK, very interesting. 

1179
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,440
Let's go ahead and revisit. 
I mean, we kind of opened up 

1180
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,920
with cell defense versus energy 
creation mode of the 

1181
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,800
mitochondria, but what are some 
other genetic or epigenetic 

1182
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,680
factors that go into proper 
mitochondrial functioning 

1183
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Exercise, exercise and. 
Exercise, proper restorative 

1184
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,200
sleep, not just the hours you 
got to do the work. 

1185
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,480
Most people are melatonin 
deficient. 

1186
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,600
You can help fix that with 
Epitalon or pineolon, or you can

1187
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,600
also take melatonin. 
It's a hormone you need at 

1188
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,200
night, even if you go to sleep 
fine. 

1189
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,160
It helps you sleep deeper and 
repair your cells at night. 

1190
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,000
Why do we sleep because we're 
tired? 

1191
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,040
No, because your cells need 
repair and then you're not 

1192
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,800
tired. 
So if you feel tired in the 

1193
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,400
morning, your cells aren't 
repairing, you're probably not 

1194
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,680
sleeping restoratively, and one 
of the reasons is your 

1195
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,440
mitochondria may not be doing 
their job. 

1196
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,080
What's a decent? 
Dose for someone who doesn't 

1197
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,760
have sleep problems of 
melatonin? 

1198
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,160
I take 12. 
Milligrams. 

1199
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,960
So damn, I keep more. 
More than that, yeah. 

1200
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,680
It's, it's not a thing. 
There's, there's a brand I get 

1201
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,480
on Amazon. 
I don't always get all my 

1202
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,320
supplements on Amazon. 
Just, you know, do your 

1203
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,560
homework. 
It's sublingual. 

1204
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,920
It's 12 milligrams. 
A bottle of 300 is less than 10 

1205
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,640
bucks. 
There are a lot of things they 

1206
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,680
do that are expensive. 
That's not one of them. 

1207
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,040
I mean there. 
Is interesting research on 

1208
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,520
cancer and high dose melatonin 
milligrams 50. 

1209
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Milligrams. 
Yeah, that's a shit ton of 

1210
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,320
melatonin. 
Well, it's you, sleep you. 

1211
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,320
Sleep better, you sleep deeper, 
you restore better and your 

1212
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,840
cells need it. 
Isn't melatonin? 

1213
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Too kind of. 
Your brains master antioxidant. 

1214
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,360
It is known. 
It's known for. 

1215
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,240
That as well, I don't know if 
it's the there's a lot going on.

1216
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,040
We're learning more and more 
about brain pathways because 

1217
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,600
when we look at cell pathways, 
we're looking at, you know, 

1218
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,480
stuff we've learned from what's 
going on in the outside, the 

1219
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,880
nervous system. 
But the brain, the brain is a 

1220
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,760
lot of metabolism in the brain, 
there's a lot going on. 

1221
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,400
That's why you can, like, you 
know, intensely study and be 

1222
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,800
tired because your brain is 
using up all your your energy. 

1223
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,160
The brain is fascinating. 
All right, I don't want to close

1224
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,920
up, but we're going to have to 
close up here in a couple 

1225
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,320
minutes. 
I I do want to know okay, Jeff, 

1226
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,960
what do you think is the most 
overhyped therapy and longevity 

1227
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,640
right now? 
Wow, let's see the. 

1228
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Overhyped one, I think a lot of 
supplements aren't getting to 

1229
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,400
your cells, which is why I 
didn't mean to turn this into 

1230
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,720
the A plug, but it's why we we 
have an A plant exosome for 

1231
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,400
phytonutrient delivery because 
exosomes delivered to your 

1232
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,200
cells, right? 
They endocytosis into your 

1233
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,920
cells, whereas most supplements 
get lost in digestion, they get 

1234
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,600
lost in in the bloodstream. 
They don't even get into the 

1235
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,200
cells. 
So they're not, you know, you 

1236
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,320
have to power overpower yourself
with supplements to get there. 

1237
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,280
And then, you know, you're 
having so many pills, it's 

1238
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,720
basically a meal. 
So are you saying that stem? 

1239
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,880
Cell and exosome therapy can 
help deliver whatever is in that

1240
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,080
supplement better to the cell. 
No, I'm not. 

1241
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,120
I'm talking about. 
Plant derived exosomes, the 

1242
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:17,360
liver, phytonutrients, those 
important, you know, Co 

1243
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,040
molecules, coenzymes that our 
cells need and that our Biome 

1244
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,760
needs. 
And you know, for example, let's

1245
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400
take ellergic acid. 
So pomegranates make exosomes 

1246
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,400
that have ellergic acid, 
ellergic acids converted by our 

1247
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,760
Biome into Urolithenae, which 
are mitochondrial love. 

1248
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,080
So you can buy urolithinase 
supplements right there, but 

1249
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,920
they're not getting to your 
cells. 

1250
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,480
They're at high efficiency, 
whereas the pomegranate exosomes

1251
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,160
that we're working on developing
will. 

1252
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,160
OK, I want to. 
I'm going to try. 

1253
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,880
Those that sounds awesome. 
OK. 

1254
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,760
And then maybe the most 
underrated therapy in long jump,

1255
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,120
any medicine, exercise always. 
Yeah, I think I got that from 

1256
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:55,960
an. 
Interview today. 

1257
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,480
I love that I really do OK the 
right exercise like muscle. 

1258
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,760
Used to failure. 
If you keep moving, your body 

1259
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,560
will survive. 
It's it's it will adapt around 

1260
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,240
that. 
Every everything will adapt 

1261
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,880
around that. 
Your brain, your heart. 

1262
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,400
As long as you keep moving, 
couch ain't gonna work. 

1263
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,920
Never miss a Monday. 
As my friend Kayla says, she's 

1264
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,160
talking about the gym, right? 
She's. 

1265
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:17,560
Definitely talking about the 
gym. 

1266
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,320
She's a trainer. 
Yes. 

1267
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,040
OK, this has been I'm I'm going 
to say it's been my favorite 

1268
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,200
episode so far. 
This is I was looking forward to

1269
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,160
it. 
This is so good, so deep and so 

1270
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,560
rich. 
I know how crazy busy you are. 

1271
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,640
So I appreciate you coming on 
and I know people are going to 

1272
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:34,920
want to know everything about 
you. 

1273
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,200
So please tell us where can 
people find more about RE 

1274
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,080
Celebrate or you or plant 
exosomes or stem cell therapy. 

1275
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Thank you. 
Check us out at RE. 

1276
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Celebrate RECELLLEBRATE. 
We pretty much own that word on 

1277
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,720
the Internet. 
So recelebrate.com at celebrate 

1278
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,080
on any social you follow. 
We're probably on there. 

1279
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,800
Check us out. 
That's the easy way to get in. 

1280
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,400
And if we can, you want to talk 
about a joint. 

1281
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,720
You don't want to have surgery 
on spine. 

1282
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,720
If you're facing a spine 
surgery, let me do a second 

1283
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,280
opinion. 
Please let me save you if I can 

1284
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,560
help you. 
If you're interested in 

1285
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,040
peptides, reach out to Jennifer 
or myself anytime. 

1286
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Stem cells, exosomes, you have 
some issues you want to deal 

1287
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,320
with in there complex Send me 
all your medical records. 

1288
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,440
Let's go. 
And for our practitioners? 

1289
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Out there, what's the next 
conference that you're speaking 

1290
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,920
at or attending? 
OK, let's. 

1291
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,480
See, I'm in. 
I like a comedian, you know? 

1292
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,840
You can find me at the Comedy 
Store. 

1293
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,040
I'm here all night. 
I'm here all night. 

1294
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:31,560
I. 
Don't have? 

1295
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,280
The feel, the let's see, I'm in 
Dallas at the Boston Bio Life in

1296
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,520
May. 
I'm at the biohacking conference

1297
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,600
in Austin, which is really a 
kind of the Super Bowl of things

1298
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,440
in the very end of May. 
Oh, in April we're in, we're in 

1299
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,040
Florida for, for our plant 
Exosom Nutraceutical at an event

1300
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,720
in Hollandale. 
I'm lecturing this year in 

1301
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Buenos Aires. 
We're going later this week to 

1302
01:02:55,160 --> 01:03:00,480
visit my biohacking bio dentist 
friend Dom Nischwitz in Germany.

1303
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,760
If you know Dom And yeah, we're,
we're getting out there. 

1304
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,040
We're getting out of the house a
little bit. 

1305
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,120
We just that poor dog. 
Misses. 

1306
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,400
Us and we miss him. 
We have a cat too but she 

1307
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,720
doesn't care. 
She's a lone wolf. 

1308
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,320
Oh, my goodness. 
All right, Doctor Jeff Gross. 

1309
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,120
Amazing stuff. 
Please don't be annoyed when I 

1310
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,480
reach back out to you and say, 
please can you come back on my 

1311
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,800
podcast? 
I would love to I. 

1312
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,640
Love it all right? 
Have a wonderful rest of your 

1313
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,280
day. 
Thank you everyone for tuning in

1314
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,760
today, the Peptides for Women 
podcast. 

1315
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Go give Doctor Jeff Gross a 
follow and reach out to him at 

1316
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,680
re celebrate. 
Thank you.