Welcome to Peptides for Women. I'm Jennifer Woodward, and this
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Welcome back to the Peptides for Women podcast.
I'm Jennifer Woodward and I'm thrilled to introduce you guys
to Doctor Jeff Gross. Doctor Jeff, often called the
stem cell Whisperer, began his career treating complex spine
and neurological problems with traditional surgery, but saw
first hand that many patients needed a smarter, less invasive
path. Drawing on his biochemistry and
molecular cell biology training from UC Berkeley and decades as
an award-winning neurosurgeon, he pivoted toward regenerative
medicine, stem cells, exosomes and peptides, founding Re
Celebrate to put surgery last and cellular repair first.
Today, Re Celebrate serves clients across the United States
with its hub in Las Vegas, NV and virtual access for people
who want precision, personalized, data-driven care.
From athletic injury recovery in spine and joint restoration to
skin rejuvenation, hair and soft tissue repair, immune and post
viral support, and next generation anti aging protocols,
Each plan is tailored to activate the body's own repair
mechanisms using carefully selected stem cell derived
biologics and complementary cell signaling longevity strategies.
Doctor Jeff is a frequent author, speaker, biohacker, and
customer of Regenerative Cell Signaling, and I'm thrilled to
welcome him to this show. I don't know why you want to
talk to that nerd. I am a nerd, so I am thrilled to
have nerds on my show. I mean, you probably kick my ass
in nerdiness, so I'm excited to chat with you today on all these
things. Challenge accepted.
Let's go. Let's.
Go First off, let's just say Berkeley.
Tell me about that. Yeah, go, Bears.
You know, listen, when I got in and I dare admit it was the 80s,
I could get in. I probably couldn't get in
today. You know, they're, they're so
difficult to get into, but it's diverse.
There's a lot going on and yes, it's known for craziness and
stuff like that. But, but if you can, you know,
study and take your classes and and, you know, rub elbows with
Nobel laureates, it's an amazing experience.
Incredible. I love it.
Do you go back ever? Do you speak at Berkeley?
Yeah, I go back a lot, actually. I have some very good college
friends and we try to meet up for a football game now and
then. And I actually went to a
basketball game my first time in 30 years this past year because
I happen to be in town. OK.
For another event in January. So I try to get there.
It's still home to me. Same food and coffee places and
and what have you. Yeah, I'm mostly yeah.
Fantastic. All right.
I do love Northern California. I went to UC Davis and I
remember even being like 1718 year olds walking around there
with my future husband. We were like, we should retire
here. Northern California is amazing.
It was, yeah, it was great and beautiful.
It's green and we we used to go to Picnic Day.
So go Aggies, look at you. Long time ago, long time ago.
All right, let's talk about peptides, though it is the
Peptides for Women podcast. You are definitely an expert.
And so let's just redefine peptides in the space of cell
signaling. Yeah, thank you.
I know your audience knows what peptides are and you know, I
when I get on podcasts or I speak, I start to be getting a
here's what a peptide is. And we can, we can push through
that. But what they're doing is, is
helping signal to our cells in ways that our cells need a
little boost that they probably did just fine when we were
younger and healthier. But as we age as a hormones
decline and vice versa as a hormones decline and as we age
and we're exposed to a lifetime of exposure to pro inflammatory
stresses, you know, we can list those here, but you know, diet,
nutrition, air, water pollution, pesticides, bad thoughts,
etcetera, etcetera. Our cells just get a little
gunked up with inflammatory junk and our cells tend to be
hoarders. So you have to get a little
boost sometimes in the signaling to the cell pathways, which taps
back into my biochemistry degree at Berkeley, right?
This is what we're looking at is these pathways, what's going on
in the cell? Are we in a defense mode
fighting the environment, you know, fighting that
inflammation? Or are we in an anti inflamed
mode, which is optimal functioning where we cells can
do what they can do robustly and efficiently.
And that's what the peptides help us do.
So one of the things that can help signal our cells, other
things might be stem cells, might be epigenetic lifestyle
behaviors, might be exosomes, might be what have you.
But peptides are a big component.
Yeah, absolutely. And that theory of cell defense
mode versus energy creation mode is something that I, I really
like to dig into a little bit because it does seem, man, once
you reach the age of like 3035, it's, it really is that siren
song, especially for women to be stuck in that cell defense mode.
So you mentioned some of the genetic and epigenetic factors
that could kind of lead someone toward being stuck in cell
defense mode. Can you color that a little bit
more for the audience of of what can maybe get you there to start
with? Get you to the I mean to improve
that. Well, just kind of just being in
cell defense mode, like what what are some of the the driving
factors that you see that would keep women stuck in cell defense
mode? You know, probably life, you
know, stress. Not the right exercise or enough
exercise. Eating things we shouldn't eat
or because they're convenient or fast.
Things in our food, pesticides, dyes, preservatives.
And we're this is a hot topic now.
All these things in our food, probably inadequate nutrition,
not enough protein, maybe not enough of the right supplements
and nutrients and vitamins and things like that.
And we just accumulate this. I mean, so many things we could
we could do hours just on epigenetic lifestyle, health and
Wellness. Right.
Well as a as a traditional, you know a neurosurgeon really like
in traditional medicine, I am curious to kind of what when did
you realize maybe surgery is not always the best solution?
Like what were you seeing in your patients that pushed you to
start looking toward these alternatives?
It wasn't that surgery wasn't the best solution is that there
were less invasive alternatives that we just weren't exploring
because the tail was wagging. Tagging the dog in the sick care
system, right. The hospitals love you to do,
you know, big surgeries and put in hardware in people's spines
and things like that. So there were so many other
options and patients are clamoring for it.
They have an appetite for it. Doc, you sure you don't have
something else? What about stem cells?
Doc What about stem cells? So, you know, I, I heard that
enough and luckily with my undergraduate background, it
just, I put down the kool-aid about 8 years ago and I said I'm
going to go to some stem cell conferences.
I'm very interested in that. I wonder what's happened in all
these years. I wonder why these professional
athletes are leaving the country and getting this treatment.
Why isn't that here? And I and I really dug in deep,
went down the rabbit hole, re educated, recertified, did
everything I needed to do. And now, now I'm pushing the
envelope on that. But it's pretty fascinating that
your patients were educated enough to come to you and start
talking about stem cells. That's not anything we've talked
about yet on the podcast. So can you give us just like a
overarching view what, what are stem cells?
What do they do for the body? And how does it relate to anti
aging medicine? Stem cells are another form of
cell signaling. They're doing the same thing.
So and stem cells and really stem cell derives signaling
factors that vesicles called exosomes.
If you haven't heard that, those are another way to signal cells
to behave in that optimal energy efficient energy production way
and fight inflammation and turn your cells back into the
powerhouses that they were when you were 12 years old.
OK, so exosomes are cell signaling molecules, right?
Exosome stem cells. No.
So briefly, all cells communicate with their neighbor
cells, signal their neighbor cells.
Neighborhood watch, right? Hey, we got a prowler in the
neighborhood. Everyone get ready.
Close your doors, lock your doors.
So they do that through 2 mechanisms. 1 cells secrete
small proteins, growth factors slash peptides.
You've heard of that? And secondly, they also out
bubble these even smaller vesicles with a little bit of a
membrane and some contents from the cells.
So cargo, micro RNAs, other peptides, heat shock proteins,
healing message and other cells take that in through remember
this one endocytosis, right? They take in that cargo and it
influences what the neighbor cell is doing.
It's it's way cells communicate. And it turns out that stem cells
really aren't doing the work. They're just delivering these
exosomes. So the exosomes are more
efficient, way more cost effective way to get a stem cell
signal. A more cost effective way.
Explain what you mean by that. Exosomes are about 1/3 of the
cost of stem cells while doing the same thing.
Fascinating tissue better. They're small enough to cross
the blood brain barrier, get into the brain, the nervous
system. So those people who got into
stem cells around the time I did understood that, oh, I'm going
to go into stem cell medicine. Really what I'm getting into is
exosome medicine. But the stem cell is the catch
phrase because you said, oh, your your patients are educated.
They come talk to you about this somewhere.
Some weren't, but they've heard of stem cells, right?
It's a buzz phrase. Right.
And this is about 8 years ago, you said?
Well, I my patients were bonking me on the head with a rubber
mallet for years before that before I finally put down the
Kool-aid and. What were some of the things
that that you learned those first few stem cell exosome
conferences like what made you so passionate about starting to
pursue this with your patients? Well, I first, I was mad because
a lot of this was, it's not part of our traditional annual RE
education, you know, continuing Ed that neurosurgeons were
doing. I would go to these meetings.
I would go to all kinds of spine meetings.
I even did a social media post a few years back.
You probably scroll back and find it where I'm, I'm at the
North American Spine Spine Society meeting and and I, I'm
showing the table of contents for all the different topics and
going and there was nothing, nothing on biologics, nothing.
Interesting. Are you a pariah now when you're
walking around these neurosurgery and spinal
conferences, mostly. You're like, oh.
There he is. I don't even go anymore.
There's nothing new. It's the same old stuff year
after year. I don't even go anymore.
So the the I'm going to different things.
I'm I'm going to peptide and stem cell conferences and
cutting edge health and Wellness and biohacking conferences.
Don't let that scare you because I, I too am a biohacker.
I want those strategic advantages for my health,
Wellness, health span and longevity performance.
You know, so and I want it for my patients.
So I try a lot of this stuff too.
I have all the, you know, gidgets and gizmos.
Is that from a movie? Gidgets and gadgets.
What is it? So I have all that stuff from
biologics to energy devices, you know, So I'm doing that.
OK. We're definitely going to have
to go down that rabbit hole before we finish up here, but I
am definitely curious too about this, you know, stem cell
exosome therapy. When did you first start using
it and mass with your patients and what were some of the
results that you started I'm getting?
So I about 7-8 years ago, I started using it.
I was, I offered it as an option.
I meant to offer it to my spine patients as an option.
But now it's all I do. Like beyond spine, right?
I do. I take care of a lot of joints
in my practice. We follow a French protocol
where we have some observatory examples.
I'm not allowed to make claims. There are no marketing claims
here. It's just education.
So the, we, we have examples where we've had have gone to
someone who was almost, you know, bone on bone with
osteoarthritis of the knee, loss of cartilage.
They were told they needed a joint replacement because on the
orthopedic surgeon's menu, it's cortisone injections, maybe some
lubricating injections and surgery.
So we'd still take patients and we show cartilage regeneration.
We have thickening of the cartilage return to function
reduced a pain. And that that is in in
conjunction with the 15 year follow up literature out of
France. So this isn't new.
It's just we're late to the party here in the US and I have
a Hippocratic Oath to help patients I have to uphold.
I'd love upholding. And one way we do that is by
making things available to them that's less risky.
Like surgery's got risks. There's a role for surgery.
It's always going to be there, but I think it's overdone.
That is really fascinating. I'm curious about the timeline
too. I'm trying to trying to get my
husband in with you. So what they told him for his
eventual knee replacement and that it's going to be 3 months
of cortisone shots, then three months of gel injections, and
then perhaps they might be able to go in and do surgery.
So tell me about the timeline with stem cells and exosomes and
what might be a good alternative for him.
Yeah, let's go back to that, that script he was given that
cookbook, right? That's big pharma, big implant
hospital and insurance driving, driving what you're, you know,
someone gets you got to go through this hoop to get to the
next step, etcetera. So instead we would, we would
look at him, we would do very high quality MRI's with special
sequences off the secret menu. You got to let me order those.
And we know how to look at the inflammatory stress in the area
where the cells live that make cartilage.
And that is a that is an early sign of whole body inflammation.
Is, is joint degeneration, inflammatory joint degeneration,
often just called arthritis by your doctors because they don't
have the time to explain it or maybe they don't know.
So we target those cranky cells. We signal to them.
I use a lot of the exosomes for that and we turn them back on
and usually within 6 to 12 months we have an incredible
anatomic result 6 and and a functional result I should say
sorry. No, no, I just kind of impressed
by that. So is, is true regeneration
going on? Is that is that the point of
these therapies? Yeah, again, that's the goal.
I can't make a marketing claim, but as a surgeon we were not
able to guarantee anything anyway.
But I can show you examples before and after examples of
cartilage in a knee a year apart and where it's 25% thicker after
the year. Yes, please send that to me.
I'm going to put it in the show notes because I think that is
very valuable. I love it.
OK? Done.
Excellent. I am curious now.
So we, we know that, you know, peptides are a way that you can
potentially activate the body's own repair systems.
I'm learning today that exosomes and stem cells do the same
thing. What's the intersection of those
two and how do they work together maybe in a
complementary fashion? Well.
Eight years ago when I started this, I was really just looking
at the stem cell exosomes and and things in that realm.
But but there are some what we use is, is actually a stem cell
secretome, which is a fancy word for the all the things a stem
cell produces Exos, It's heavy in exosomes.
It's also got these peptides and proteins and growth factors that
you find in amniotic fluid, right?
Baby making stuff O As peptides became more popularized and
available, we started adding those to the regimen and now we
stack them together synergistically because you get
all the signaling. But if people are just having a
low level problem because peptides are so, you know,
inexpensive relative to exosomes, we might start with
peptides if their terrain is fixed first, right.
You have to do the work. You've got to do the exercise
and the sleep and the diet and and all that.
Otherwise you're just not going to get as much out of it.
So most of our patients that have an appetite for this that
seek us out already have a dialed in lifestyle, an
anti-inflammatory lifestyle. If not, well hold you
accountable and help you get there.
That's great. So I did hear you say that
exosomes might be more expensive than peptide.
So can you walk me through kind of what that price discrepancy
might be for people? Yeah, so we use exosomes in
different ways. So I use them injectable.
We do Ivs for autoimmune and hyperinflamed situations or anti
aging performance. I do them myself 4 * a year.
The IV might run you anywhere from like 4000 on up, depending
on the dose. The injections in the knee are
typically, depending on the number of doses we use,
depending on the targeting, might be anywhere from like 8000
all the way up to 1516, depending on how many doses for
a single joint. And that includes everything.
You know, we do this at a little little facility, a little
surgery center, a little sedation the way we do it and
sterile all that. That includes all the
professionals in the facility as well.
So peptides, you know, a few months of a recovery, you know,
peptide might just be two 300 bucks.
Right, which still can be, you know, prohibitive for some
people, cost prohibitive, especially if they're not
understanding kind of the the way that peptides work in the
body. And it's interesting to me
because we've had my son has broken his arm twice over the
past year. My husband's, you know, trying
to get in for the surgery. They went in and scraped out all
of his arthritis. Those are both expensive
procedures. I mean, thousands and thousands
of dollars, you know, paid to the hospitals for for fixing my
people. And so, you know, to do some
more preventative medicine and like root cause healing, I think
is is a fantastic investment in your health.
Oh yeah, a lot of these things. And again, the injection in the
joint is usually a one time. The literature out of France has
15 year follow up studies showing over 82% of the patients
have been able to successfully avoid surgery for those 15
years. So it could last 2025 years.
So you're not looking at, you know, repeat injections, you're
looking at A1 and done in the vast majority of the case, in
82% of the cases. That's interesting.
So that's basically what they told us.
The lifespan of his artificial knee might be it's about 20
years. Do it again.
Yeah. Yeah.
The goal, the goal is to put off that artificial knee.
So the earlier we get, we get to him or people like him, the
better. So 15 year studies on stem cells
out of France. So this therapy has been in use
for quite some time. I mean, if that's just the the
point where they're publishing the study, you know, obviously
that that has been going on for quite some time.
So the literature shows that it's safe and effective is what
you're saying? Well, again, I can't make that
claim. I'm barred for making that
claim. Apologies.
Compliance. No, no, no.
It's, it's an, it's a regulatory point which we should probably
cover because the, you know, a lot of people don't understand
this phrase. I think we should talk about
quote, FDA approved, right? Even doctors don't understand
that phrase. So what does that mean?
Well, it's an incomplete phrase. So to rewind that, if you'll
allow, the FDA is set up by Congress to protect consumers by
regulating marketing claims. Let me say that again.
Marketing claims, They do not regulate the practice of
medicine. They do not regulate what
physicians or clinicians do. They do not regulate what
patients get. They regulate what you hear and
what we can say. So they regulate the following
terms, diagnose, cure, or treat a disease or condition.
So that's why I'm very cautious when you say, oh, it can treat
this, it can treat that. Can I show you literature?
Yes, it's my job to do that. Can I show you a patient outcome
examples? Yes.
And funny as a surgeon when I used to do a lot of big back
surgeries, even then I couldn't make a claim.
Most of what doctors do is not FDA approved for marketing
claims. Let's give some examples.
Vitamin C, not FDA approved. Why no one can monetize it.
Creatine, not FDA approved. You go, you're dehydrated, yet
you're out in the garden in a hot day too long.
You're passing out. Your husband takes you to the
ER, they say, ma'am, you're dehydrated, we did a blood test,
you're dehydrated and what are they going to do?
They're going to hook you up to some IV fluids, right?
Not FDA approved for marketing claims.
Most of what is going on in the healthcare system is not
approved for marketing claims. However, it's fits within what
we typically do. It fits within standards and
guidelines of care. It's often paid for by health
insurance, although that shouldn't be a measure of what's
right or wrong because that's just what you know makes them
the most money. But you hear this scary phrase,
well, that's not approved. You even hear doctors use it.
They don't even know what they're talking about half the
time. So again, you are having and you
have had and you will be open to having patients things that
aren't approved for marketing claims and they're still well
within what is best for you as an option.
The Doctor of Informed Consent calls for us as clinicians to
give you all the options and help you understand the pros and
cons and make the right decision for yourself.
That is the job and the government wags its finger and
uses that phrase. FDA approve and they well know
they are scaring and overstepping to force you to
compel you into what Big Pharma is driving them to do.
Damn, put your thing down, flip it and reverse it, everybody.
You definitely want to go back and listen to that again.
That is some mind blowing information for me.
So I'm a former drug sales Rep. I worked for Abbott Labs for
many, many years and as an FDN health coach.
I know it's outside of my scope of practice to say anything
about diagnosing, treating, or prescribing.
I'm really good to cover my ass most of the time with that
vernacular. But it's mind blowing to me to
hear you as a board certified physician tell me that that you
are not allowed to use that same language as well.
Right, we can't use it, but there's this assumption of the
authority of that language. So it's all it's a mess.
So everyone out there and some people are smart, they hear the
phrase, oh, that's not FDA approved and they know it must
be better for them. Some people have figured that
out. But do your own homework,
everyone, you know, caveat emptor, buyer beware.
Ask good questions. You know, a lot of doctors don't
have time for the, you know, the Google question list.
I love it makes me better. It makes me answer questions
differently the next time, right?
Because I anticipate that. So yeah, it's the FDA does not
control your body, so don't let them imply that.
By the way, after this broadcast, let me give you my
next of Kin's address because I'm sure we'll be buried in the
desert after this podcast drops. So.
I I wish my podcast had that much authority or reach, but I
do. Maybe this will maybe this will
catapult there. This is some great information.
I love it. I I am definitely interested
too. Let's talk about the fact that
there's this whole, you know, like controversy going on right
now about FDA approved peptides. So this is really like pressing
him because I just did a podcast about that last week or you're
shaking your head. Are we allowed to talk about
this? We absolutely should talk about
it. It's the phrase.
It's that FDA approved phrase. This is, I mean this is, this is
what is blowing my mind. We know that you know about 14
of these peptides. RFK Junior is talking about
moving them off of that category to bulk substance list.
Previously they were not FDA approved.
Now that I have a little bit more color on what that phrase
means, I'm kind of interested. Doesn't matter if they get moved
to the FDA approved list. Can you talk about that a
little? Bit they're not FDA approved,
they're not FDA unapproved. By the way, as an aside, just
because something's not approved doesn't mean it's unapproved or
disapproved. What it means is the FDA has not
yet evaluated. For marketing claims for.
Marketing claims, so they do anyway.
They're limited to that by Congress.
So if you look at most supplements, because you know, I
have AI have a nutraceutical and on the jar it says the FDA has
not evaluated these claims. Unapproved or not yet approved
doesn't mean unapproved doesn't mean disapproved.
But you see that phrase all the time because people don't know
what they're talking about. Listen, people, just because if,
if if you said, hey, Jeff, do you like doctor so and so I
might say, I don't know that's neutral, right?
I might say I don't like him. All right, so I like him.
Like there are three options. Well, the FDA when they haven't
yet approved something doesn't mean it's unapproved.
So cautious there. Now on to the peptides.
So moving them from one category list to another category list
has nothing to do with them being approved or unapproved or
disapproved. That is just a guidance for A5O3
compounding pharmacies. Five O 3 is code for how those
are regulated, how those compounding pharmacies, it's not
directly related to patients or doctors or medical care because
they have no jurisdiction there, but it indirectly in terms of
ease of access, you know is a thing.
So yes, it adds credibility that the FDA is saying, hey, these
are useful healthy things potentially we should at least
make them available. We don't if you get right down
to the very roots of the FDA, they don't want to over
regulate. They're the arm of big pharma.
They are the government arm of Big Pharma.
Big implant, right? Because it's drugs and devices.
Well, and because we know that, you know, studies, especially
studies for pharmaceuticals, are funded by the drug companies,
not funded by the FDA themselves, right?
Yeah. Interesting.
OK All right, so basically this is just RFK Junior being kind of
a badass. You know, maybe a little bit
more publicity than policy. Well, I hope it leads to some
policy. You know, I mean, I guess it is
leading a little bit here when they're moving these back to
some of these peptides, back to categories, but peptide
therapies are exploding and they're only moving, what, 14,
right? You know they need to move 50.
Right. That would be kind of amazing.
I, I know just in my research they're saying that for
instance, BPC 157, CJC 1295, these, these did not have
sufficient research originally. This is back in 2023 and This is
why they got moved to this, you know, category 2 bulk substance
list. Talk to me about some of the
research with peptides. There's tons of research to do,
the homework, go to pub Med. It's out there and there's
plenty. A lot of it comes from Russia
when it's where it started. These are naturally occurring
substances, and did you pay attention to the ones that did
not get moved back onto that list?
For instance. GLPS.
Well, they were never, they were never on the the category 2
list, right? Well, so this is this is Eli
Lilly pulling strings, right? This is Eli Lilly that shut down
peptide sciences. This is Eli Lilly that controls
GLPS and you know, trillion dollar with Reto trutaid.
And why is Reto Trutaid not yet approved for marketing claims
people? Because they haven't squeaked
every penny out of tirzepatide yet.
OK. Wait, so you're saying trillion
dollar potential industry for rata trutide?
What is Tirzepatide? So rewinding GLPS, the very
first GLP on the market semi glutide.
I just mean from like a financial perspective, if we're
expecting a trillion dollar industry.
Like, I don't, I don't know they I'm sure hundreds of billions,
you know, but we're talking that rata trutide has evidence that
it reverses fatty liver besides the weight loss, the insulin
sensitivity improvement, the anti-inflammatory long term
benefits, reduced dementia, cancer diagnosis, cardiac
events. You know, there are long enough
term studies showing this stuff. So it's it's out there you can
find it. And Eli Lilly and the government
know all know that Renatruta is ready for prime time, but they
they haven't yet approved it for marketing claims because
strategically they want that full monetized life cycle out of
the last GOP which is tirzepatide.
And makes total sense. Also hasn't helped that I've
been watching the last season of Goliath lately.
I have to watch it Totally about pharmaceuticals.
Oh my God. I do want to talk about this a
little bit more though. So I like clinically, personally
with myself, my clients, they obviously order through a
physician, not me. I like tirzepatide for midlife
women. I am aware of some of the
research, the studies on Redditru tide.
I do think it's fantastic. There's a subset that of my
client population I do work with particularly like younger men
that seem to thrive on Redditutide.
And so I'm curious in your clinical experience with what
you're using with your with your patients not to diagnose, treat
or prescribe, just to help them with a lifestyle perspective,
right. What is your clinical experience
using some of these GOP ones? Yeah, I mean listen, Redditutide
is has been superior in my hands than than the others.
And I didn't have Redditutide till a few years ago.
We were using other you know, semi glutide, tirzepatide to
summer glutide and or tirzepatide.
Meaning what? Meaning what?
They just can't lose the weight. They just can't, you know, And
of course we look at everything. We're looking at thyroid and
hormones. Hormones are a big driver,
especially in women. Sorry ladies, but it's it's
unfortunate that you have such a drastic hormonal change compared
to men who have a very slow gradual hormonal change.
Easy, easier to jump in and fix that.
Women are so delicate with the hormone balance and challenging
and complex and amazing. Oh well.
I. Can't live without them so so
Reddit true tide you are seeing as a boon to to patients who
would originally start on some glutide enter his uptide or is
it your first line of intervention with maybe like
midlife women nowadays I go right to.
It, it's just really, it's so effective and has these
additional benefits. So I, I, I'm a Reddit true Tide
fan, so it's not one-size-fits-all, but that's my
early first, you know, ammunition.
I go to it made me hungrier. And it makes a lot of my clients
hungrier that I was trying with, which is why I'm such a fan of
tirzepatide. So that Glucagon piece, I feel
like with the GLP 3 tends to really, you know, affect women's
hunger when they're trying to eat less food in midlife.
I have found it seems to work well.
If you're exercising a lot and you're really dialed in with
your lifestyle, then maybe that extra, you know, GLP piece can
be helpful. But I'm curious to maybe get
more data or case studies on that.
But they got to be exercising. So if you're not exercising out
there and you think the GOP is going to fix your issues and
help you lose weight, that's not a healthy way to go about it.
So yes, yeah, say it. Say it again for the people.
In the back the easiest and. Cheapest thing you can do for
longevity, for health, for everything, for cell signaling
is exercise. So what does that?
Specifically look like for the midlife women's set well I.
Love a Little Mix. I love a little cardio.
I love a little interval cardio. If you're a long distance runner
and you love it, and I used to love it too, it's OK.
But the problem is you don't have a lot of muscle mass and
muscle mass is your longevity organ and and I mean a feminine
muscle build. I wasn't, you know, speaking to
the Arnold Schwarzenegger crowd out there.
Although if you want that, you can have it, you really need to
do you need to bring muscles into failure.
So when I lift weights, for example, and I think this
applies to women too, I don't do three sets of 10 like we learned
in high school. That's just a tradition.
There's no science behind that. I'm doing mostly one set to
failure. So I like to use machines now,
not the free weights as much. Machines isolate muscle groups.
They, you know, less injury with that, you know, sometimes you
injure yourself just carrying the dumbbell over to the bench.
You're saying, you know, so we want to keep it simple.
So work out some more efficient. I love core, but not just AB
crunches. I mean core like Pilates.
I love flexibility for women. I love yoga.
So those and not just women actually for men too, but in the
workouts might be a little different and you know, we're
looking for different amounts of bulk men might do you know,
pyramid sets that they want to build chest, whereas I love the
one set to failure. If you only have 20 minutes, you
can get a lot done for my women who've.
Never done that before. Walk me through what one set to
failure might look like with a specific exercise.
Example, you're shooting for 15 to. 40 reps of that's what you
dial in the weight. So for example, let's say you
want to do bicep curls. So you, you figure out the
weight. So it takes some trial and error
that you start lifting, but you will get to a point where you
can't go anymore. And that should be between 15
and 40 reps If you can go 70 reps, that weight was too light.
If you can only do 3 reps, the weight was too heavy and you
find that Goldilocks weight. And then at that failure, at
that last one, that's where the work is done.
That's where your muscles release peptides called myokines
or extra kinds that stimulate the brain and release BDNF,
brain derived neurotrophic factor to prevent dementia.
That's where you get the muscle growth, the toning, That's where
you get the fat burning. So if you you're going to burn
more fat doing that than than going 30 minutes on the
Stairmaster, nothing wrong with 30 minutes on the Stairmaster.
You can do that too. But if you're not getting the
results, that might be why. OK, very cool.
Myokines, I have not heard of that before.
Is that, are they related to some of the growth hormone
secreted gogs or they are they you know, released when growth
hormones pulsed? Yeah, they're they can.
Be but they're really released during exercise during use of
muscles in the Latin root for muscles.
Myo right, like myofascial release is a good massage.
So myokines are released and they have, that's what one of
the reasons why exercise is so healthy for the rest of the body
because there's a communication between that exercise element,
if it's done right to failure. You got to get to that hard.
That's where the work is done. That's where the rubber meets
the road right there. And there are sometimes called
exer kinds because you exercise, it releases kinds which are
proteins or peptides. So back to the peptides, here we
come. That's why it's so crucial,
important, basic, primitive, preserved in nature.
You've heard of heat shock proteins, for example.
What are heat shock proteins? These are very primitive
proteins that are found within exosomes, by the way, that are
released during hormetic activities.
Hormesis like hot sauna, like cold plunge, like high intensity
exercise, like fasting. They're survival proteins.
They help get rid of senescent zombie cells and improve the
health and suppress the inflammation of your own cells
To have you have a younger cell population, drive down your
biological age, promote health, Wellness and longevity.
All species make heat shock proteins.
We're talking about bacteria. We're talking about the bacteria
in your gut. We're talking about molds and
mushrooms and fungi and prokaryotes.
And remember all these words, Plants have them.
Plants make exosomes. So that's how they deliver their
phytonutrients. That was actually my first.
Foray into exosomes. There's a Wellness Center here
in town and my girlfriend owns it and she put me on some plant
exosomes for a month trying to, you know, help with some
digestive issues. So I was interesting to me, not
sure. I'm not sure if I took them the
right way or if they did anything, you know, but it was,
it was fun to try something new and they certainly, they
certainly were like 3000 to $10,000 exosome therapy.
So I, I am interested in talking a little bit more about re
celebrate, but you just provided me a really nice transition into
biohacking. I said I wanted to circle back
with that and, you know, getting your body to release some of
those heat shock proteins. And especially for our midlife
women set. I know there's like some other
people that listen to this podcast, but it's mostly women
like me, you know, like between 40 and 50 years old, like
relatively healthy and trying to optimize.
And so my son's been sending me some of these, you know,
Instagram posts and stories here and there that says, you know,
some of these biohacking techniques for women, such as
cold plunge therapy and sauna, might not be as efficacious as
we once thought they were. Do you have some thoughts on
that? No, I've read about that too.
Fasting, for example, is, you know, especially if you're still
having cycles, fasting can really mess you up.
So there are benefits, you just have to dial in and try
different ones. I'm big fan of hot sauna.
I, I think the Finnish, meaning people from Finland have
incredible papers, long, long, long longitudinal papers over
years showing the health benefits, the, you know, fewer
cancer diagnosis and, and things like that.
I also think a lot of people trying some of these hormetic
activities that you listed, the biohacking aren't dialed in on
the other elements. So for women that you know is
starts with hormones and hormone optimization and might include
peptides and might include diet changes and protein intake,
which is we're all largely deficient and we're not getting
enough protein. You do all those things, I think
you're going to get it enhanced benefit out of a hot sauna or a
cold plunge. Although I personally like the
hot sauna, the cold plunge turns out to be, you know what, cold.
Yeah. But if you could do it.
Good for you, you're better for it.
I probably need to just get over it and do it, but the hot sauna
I could do no problem. It's 180 degrees, 25 minutes
until my heart rate's 140, then I get out before I get too
dizzy. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the cold.
Plunge either for for those obvious reasons, but I do want
to go back to these finished studies.
So this is this brings up an interesting area of reflection.
I think. So like people from Finland,
they've probably been using, you know, sauna therapy their whole
life. They probably get raised in the
sauna. It's probably just part of the
culture. I would assume.
Maybe I'm making a, you know, a wild assumption.
No, no, you assume you're right. But then, you know, Americans
were like, oh hell yeah, cold plunge sauna.
Let's do it. So we go and like go full bore
and we go 110% and then we might say, well, why didn't that do
the same for me as it was doing for the people in this study?
Because you haven't done it your.
Entire life and you're probably not eating like a fin and you're
probably a lot of seafood and Omega threes and things like
that. But and you probably don't have
that social piece. We're all dialed into our, our
cell phones and computers. So fins have other things, but
you and you got to do it a long time.
You got to do, you know, five days a week, you got to do 180°.
Sorry, kids, but your infrared sauna ain't going to get it
done. It doesn't get hot enough.
Got to be 180 a 185. You, you got to be in there for
20 to 25 minutes and, and develop that routine.
And, you know, you, if you've heard Rhonda Patrick speak on
this, she, she's done the deep dive.
Another Burke Kellian, by the way.
You know, she Yeah, I learned a lot of this from listening to
her and read and read, reviewing the papers that she quotes.
So our most sauna is like at. Wellness centers or they set it
like 180°. Some yes, some no.
The one at. Our local gym is, but our gym
has a sibling gym around the side of the of I'm in Las Vegas
around the other side of town. People tell me that one's at 160
or 165. It's not not doing much for you.
I mean, it probably feels good. You get it.
You get a little sweat out of that, but you're not getting the
real health and longevity benefits, the real hormetic
release, the heat shock protein benefits that you need.
OK. All right.
That's good to know. So we mentioned infrared or no
actually hot sauna at 180°, not infrared sauna.
We mentioned a little bit about cold plunging.
Tell me about some of the other biohacking techniques that
you've integrated over the past couple of years that are truly
making a difference for you. Well, I intermittent.
Feeding, also known as intermittent fasting or not
eating until lunch. In my world that's easy for me,
it just comes really easy. You know, I get up early, I work
out, I have to get to work real quick and then I'm busy with
patients all morning and it oh, it's noon, maybe I'm hungry.
Of course I am on GLP, I'm on red.
I've been a retta, low dose Retta for a long time, not for
any weight loss, but I love not being hungry.
I love the anti-inflammatory benefits.
I love how I feel. So that helps.
But I don't know that women do as well with that.
And I think because they're so protein deficient generally.
So my my wife was sort of adopting that lifestyle with me,
but we've gone now to she has a little protein in the morning
up, even if it's a protein drink.
We were big. It's so hard to get proteins.
So we're big fans of those big box have a couple different
brands of those low. Either they're non sugar or they
have two or three carbs per can of 30 grams of protein, whey
protein and they make chocolate. So I'm like drinking chocolate
milk all day. She's drinking chocolate milk
all day. So we love those.
We do that. Let's see, what else do we do?
A lot of infrared for our skin. We have infrared masks at home.
I have a hat, we have a face, we have a neck one.
Now we have one for, you know, your joints if you're needing
it. We're, we're investing in a
pulse electromagnetic field map, a mat, 10th mat that that has
been on our radar for a while. Is that like a?
Is it a grounding? Mat essentially no, no, it's.
Not although we do have a grounding mattress cover on our
bed and plugged into the ground. And although I'm I'm not sure
that's 100% working because the there's still some electric
static in the ground circuit. So some people have a separate
ground just for that. I haven't, I'm not that
elaborate. I require a contractor to come
to the house and put that in. We try we try to get out and get
some sun. Now, even though we used to be
sun phobic, we're not using a lot of sunscreen unless it's
like supernatural and and safe. You're here.
We. We.
Took the kids. To or the grandkids, I should
say to Disneyland twice in the last six months cuz we got the
annual passes this year, cuz we're crazy and we make it a
biohacking endeavor. We'll get 20,000 steps a day.
We will if we're standing in any line, if there's, you know, the
bar, the rail, you know for the lines to go on a ride.
We will do tricep dips, we'll do a single leg squats.
We, we now invested in weight weighted vests that we have and
we, we started out with a simple one.
Now we have these really nice ones that zip up and they, they
kind of form fit. So we'll walk the dog in those
twice a day. I'll wear it, you know, if I'm
doing errands on the weekend like I did yesterday, I wore it
all day, you know, So those are the kind of, I'm sure I'm
missing some because we're doing that all the time.
You know, we do a lot of supplements, although my wife
has pill fatigue, so we're trying to simplify that.
A lot of Omega threes. I don't love fermented foods,
but we'll do yogurt. We want, we want the probiotics
in our diet, things like that. Jeff, would you identify?
As a type AI think I would, yeah.
I'm just picturing. You and your wife tricep dips at
Disneyland. I got video of that I got.
The best place to do tricep dips at Disneyland is actually at
California Adventure, waiting to get on the Incredi coaster.
It's a little bit higher, and so right before you get on, you got
to knockout. 20 dips for me. OK, noted.
Noted It's also one of our favorite places.
I went there for my birthday this year with all four of my
kids. We had a great time, so I will
be picking that up one day. Suit here.
Nice. I want to go back to Rudda.
So obviously, I mean, you are fit, you are healthy, your
lifestyle's optimized, but you read the research and you
thought that the far reaching benefits of Rudda went beyond
just weight loss. So walk me through what that
looks like for you. I know you probably can't say
like you're the dose you're on, like I say the dose or mono.
Is that a secret? I don't care.
I'm on. I'm on 4 milligrams.
When I was trying to lose a couple pounds a few years ago, I
was on 8 and I just titrated down to four. 4 is my happy
place. My wife's on 2 milligrams.
She was going to say 4, kind of. Sounds like a lot.
Actually not. It's just, well, everyone's.
Different. I needed it.
How tall are you? I'm. 511.
Most of my life I was 185 lbs I'm 165.
OK, body. Wait, I could tell you my.
Body fat. All right, let's see it.
I want to. I took a.
Picture of it the other day. Let's.
OK, here it is on the on the I use the in body at the gym.
My body fat by percentage body fat 12.6.
All right, pretty damn low. There you go.
You know I look a. Little better than when I was
180 a 185 lbs, but it's it's the fat I've lost cause I've I've
worked to maintain the muscle. Yeah, I could use a little extra
muscle. I probably need to work harder
at that. Well, that's what I do like
about. Terzipatide and right a trutide
versus lira or semaglutide is the muscle preserving benefit.
So I, I've seen that myself, my husband, my client science for
sure. I know that the data, you know,
supports that. So like I said, walk me through
your decision, maybe your wife's decision to use a low lower dose
of rotatide and what some of the benefits that you either see or
are expecting to see are. Well, she will tell you she.
Likes not being hungry or snacky like she likes.
No food noise, same she loves. That she also likes.
Being at the lowest weight, you know, her freshman college
weight or whatever, I like that too.
So I don't know that you necessarily can feel the long
term health benefits as they're happening, but I think there's
an expectation that you might feel better when you're, your
insulin sensitivity is optimized and I, I feel good.
So I, I think that's one of the things I do.
We do so many things, it's hard to know what makes us feel good.
But we're big peptide users. We have a refrigerator shelf
just for that. We, we try a lot of different
peptides. You know, Roy's, Roy's
experimenting 'cause I don't wanna offer to my patients
unless I've dabbled in it. So you're looking at me right
now. I'm darker than I normally am
because I elanatan I did some. Elanatan too.
I started Thanksgiving, I did it for about 6 weeks and then I
tapered off. So but it lasts a little bit.
Yeah. OK.
I'm curious about Melanitan. Two, I know Melanitan 1
theoretically is said to be a little bit safer than Melanitan
2. So can you walk me through maybe
that discrepancy with some of the potential, you know, cancer
effects? This is just, this is just from
cursory research. So walk me through.
Yeah, no, the research. Is very mixed on these in terms
of the research on safety. Not a claim on safety, but I
went with melanotan too after doing my reading and that
reading was back in October. So I don't have it memorized,
but I felt like that's the one I wanted to try and it did work.
I got no, I'm, I'm a, I'm a ginger, so I freckle and I had a
lot of pigmented spots. I even went to my dermatologist
like are these OK? She actually biopsied some.
I came back just extra pigment. So there I'm a test case.
I'm a I'm a Canary in the coal mine for everyone.
Now the libido part from the fragment of Melanotan 2 called
PT 141, which you can get separately was was really good.
Interesting. All right, I.
Know I use PT141 a lot of my clients have.
I'm experimenting with different ways to deliver it.
I did feel like the injectable led to more nausea.
Oh, for sure, totally. Kills your libido.
By the way. Oh, sure, Yeah, you got to take.
This a few hours before and let that little bloating and tummy
ache pass, which you get with the Melanotan 2 by the way.
So I, I got to, I was taking Melanotan 2 at bedtime.
So OK, I'm ready to go to sleep. I would have it on my night
stand. I just take it right there.
And because I, I didn't want to suffer that.
So you go to sleep, maybe you don't feel it.
And that worked for me. OK, interesting.
Is that would you recommend injectables for PT141 or like
the intranasal or a buccal strip?
So I I didn't have. Success with a 1 milligram
strip. I know that some companies are
working on a 2 1/2 milligram strip, so I'll try that.
I haven't tried the intranasal, but you know when you look at
bioavailability, injectable is head and shoulders above all
other forms. And I did a little post on that.
I studied it, made a graph and posted if you if you scroll back
in my social media a couple of months, you'll find it and it
shows the difference between oral and intranasal and
liposomal, oral and topical and stuff like that.
OK, very fascinating. I.
Will go through and find that and probably repost it with the
you know, attributes to you because I think that is
interesting because there are people they they say they're you
know nervous about injections. I totally get it.
But it's so funny now after using them for so long, it's
just like, it's not a big deal. There's clients, you know, and
friends that I'll go over to him like this is how you do it, Like
not a big deal. And they always say, Oh yeah, I
didn't even feel it. That's that's what they say.
Yeah, it. Was it was the idea of it more
than the IT doesn't hurt, but now a little bit of copper will
sting for a couple minutes. So yeah, copper and glutathione.
Listen ladies, you've. Done way more painful things
than this. Trust me, if you've given birth,
this is nothing True true. Although all right, peptides
over waxing. I love it.
Oh man, OK, so so you did mention you and your wife are
you know, you have a pretty hefty peptide stack.
What does that peptide stack look like currently at the gross
house? So we have.
We do our, our Retta once a week.
We have CLO with copper, which is BBC157TB500 KPV
anti-inflammatory and copper. And we'll do that usually a
little bit every night. If we go to Disneyland and we're
crushing it, we'll triple dose it.
We've got some, I have some PT141 now that I'm off the line
of 10/2 that I'm playing with and using strategically the
let's see what else she's on some IPA Morlin CJC 1295.
I actually have done GH for many years.
So I just stay on that. Probably could go back to IPA
Morlin CJC, but I'm just locked in on on the GH.
We both are on optimized hormone schedules.
I wouldn't necessarily call that peptide, but I think it's
important we do. We do some skin products that
have peptides we're using. We use one skin also we're
trying Young Goose is coming up. I'm not product place placing
those. I'm just telling you
transparently what we're trying. So I'm trying really hard to be
good to my skin because guys aren't good at that, but the
ladies tend to be way better at it.
So I'm getting encouragement there.
We've tried some like Dyhexa oral and things like that.
We have so she she's on some different or functional Dr.
house on different oral ones. Peptides.
I'm not I don't know if they're moving the needle or not.
We try them and then we're about to do a course of epithelon for
anti aging purposes and some thymosin beta one.
OK. All right.
OK, good stuff. I like it.
I think when you and I first talked a couple weeks ago, I
will do I just did a Fox O 4 protocol for senescent cells.
So let's talk about that a little bit because when when my
practitioner introduced that to me, I was the first I'd heard of
it. And now I'm hearing about it
more and more. I just finished Doctor Seeds
book Heptide Protocols 1. And it's that theme is woven
throughout the entire book. It's not that long of a book,
but you know, senescent cells being, you know, the cause of
aging obviously, or one of the drivers.
And so can we talk about that a little bit?
Yeah, senescent cells. Also known as zombie cells are,
you know, cells that have had so much inflammation, they're done
dividing and they're just sort of not contributing to the
community. They're not doing their job.
They get bloated with pro inflammatory cytokines.
They leak like a leaky gut. They're a leaky cell and they
float around. And the more of those you have,
they're older. The word senescent means senas
or senile. The other older cells, more
those you have, the more older your cell population is.
So you got to clear these out. You can do it through hormesis,
you can do it. Your natural killer cell system
can do that. So you can stimulate natural
killer cells with glutathione with, you know, other hormesis
also other things. Transfer factor is a supplement
you might look at for that. But as it turns out, Fox O 4 DRI
is also an anti senescent cell driver.
So I think that's a great one. It's a little hard to get.
Not all suppliers have it, but and and it's a little pricier
than most of the run-of-the-mill peptides.
Look, we're saying run-of-the-mill peptides, even
though people that haven't heard of peptides, none of that's
run-of-the-mill. But you know, we talked about
longevity peptides a whole different topic.
You know, you've got you've got the epitalum, the thymus and
beta. You've got Fox O 4 DRI.
You've got, you know, rounds of mitochondrial peptides.
You got other bio regulator type peptides.
You've got Klotho. I mean, we could do a whole
couple of shows just on those and hopefully we shall because
that. Sounds really fun and
interesting. I do love talking about the GLP
ones and women's GLP one journeys, but there's just so
much more to get into within the peptide space.
So it reminds me, I did want to go back and ask because my
husband Beau is always like Jenny.
I want to go on the glow stack. I want to go on the close stack.
And like I believe those peptides are supposed to be
dosed at different dosing schedules and don't necessarily
follow the exact same dosing schedule, but I am not an expert
on that. So can you walk me through those
are really popular stacks, Like really popular, Yeah, So.
Yeah, so. It's a four peptide blend and
it's a single injection. You don't have to do 4 separate
injections. So many suppliers have it all
together now. So and yes, you can give them
all together. You'll see some social media
about not they're the same pH, there's no problem.
They don't crystallize. Once in my existence I found a
bottle I've made-up of peptides and after a while in the fridge
it looked cloudy. I threw it away.
If it looks cloudy, don't take it.
The number one reason peptides go bad isn't because they've
been in your fridge for three months.
It's because they got contaminated.
You didn't use enough alcohol on the top before you drew from it
or whatever. It's the bacteria that make them
go bad. I've talked to the people who do
third party testing. They'll tell you that is the
number one reason. But yeah, many, many peptides.
We cycle on and off. Some are three times a week.
You know GH releasers are at night time on an empty stomach
five days a week, maybe 2 days off.
There are some other protocols that's common.
I think that low dose glow or clow you can do everyday and you
dial it up as you need it. That's what I've been doing, I
think with a lot of their musculoskeletal recovery
peptides, the BPC 157TB500, commonly the base of a Wolverine
protocol. We underdose.
So if you're hurt, you might need 2 milligrams of each
component daily for a couple of weeks.
I mean, that's what Aaron Rodgers was doing when he hurt
his ankle. So, you know, and what's out
there is 250 micrograms of each. So a lot of people said peptide
didn't work. You're probably way under dosing
and that's why you need clinical guidance.
You need a Jennifer Woodward or you need a doctor, Jeff, to help
you get through that. Very interesting.
Just because people get a little nervous, they're used to the
pharmaceutical model where you, you know, can very easily
overdose on these like atom bomb pharmaceuticals.
But peptides are different just because they're so specific,
right? Like what they're signaling.
So can someone overdose on a peptide?
Oh, you can. You can hurt yourself.
With the growth hormone releasing hormone peptide, yeah.
But you know, there, there are publications like TB500 has been
tested up to very high doses intravenous.
So we're talking about relatively low doses even at two
or three or 4 milligrams subcutaneous.
So can you overdose your, you can overdose on anything, but
you're not you're probably not doing it on your Wolverine.
OK, fascinating. I love it.
Let's revisit KPV too, because that's the one we don't talk a
lot about on the show, but it's something I've used, you know,
myself, it's something that I'm a huge fan of.
So where are you using that clinically for your client
population and what effects are you seeing mostly in It's in the
closed? Stack it's, you know, really
good neuro, anti-inflammatory and it works in the rest of the
body too. It's just known for its neuro.
So I'll give it to people with neurologic issues, Parkinson's,
Ms. recovering from a stroke, brain injury.
It's one of them. So I don't always know which
one's moving the needle. You know, a lot of people do 1
peptide at a time and see which one you know, as we add and
sometimes they're coming out. I've had brain injury and I give
them 3 or 4 at the same time. I was like we we can't mess
around. We got to, we got to jump on
this. So I don't always know which
one's working. OK, that's interesting.
Can we talk a little bit about neurological issues?
I mean, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, I know the research
for GLP ones and Alzheimer's are pretty impressive, but you know,
I, I've even read some research on GLP ones and Parkinson's.
But you just mentioned KPV and the other anti-inflammatory, you
know, mechanisms of action for maybe some of these disease
states that our audience isn't quite, you know, resonating with
yet, but definitely could be soon.
Yes. So talking about diseases.
So this is for educational purposes.
This is not a marketing claim for those of you that want to
bury me in the desert again. But yeah, there is incredible
research. So this isn't us making stuff up
or just, you know, I saw it on social media.
The GLPS are helping in patients with Parkinson's.
So that's not a claim, but research has proven it.
So that's the other thing about FDA approval for marketing
claims is there's good science behind a lot of things that just
aren't getting to the FDA, right?
They're big pharma making pharmaceuticals for Parkinson's.
So they don't want this GLP getting out there, although you
think Eli Lilly would, and they probably will at some point.
Yeah. So we're using GLPS in any
situation where the insulin sensitivity or the glucose
handling can be a pro inflammatory factor, and we want
to drive that down. So one of those things might be
aging. That's why we use the GLPS as a
longevity Med. But other peptides for brain are
Semax and you know, Selang and Cerebro Lysin and you know, ARA
290 and of course all the mitochondrial peptides.
Your brain needs healthy mitochondria, Your body needs
healthy mitochondria. I hope we haven't skated over
that, but I'm a big fan of that. I've seen, I'm going off your
question, but I, I've seen people with, you know, who've
had the COVID vaccine with high spike protein levels and, and
low, low energy and brain fog. We've seen them almost flip back
into normal with a month of SS31 repairing the membrane of the
mitochondria and then a month or two of Mott C three times a
week. OK, very interesting.
Let's go ahead and revisit. I mean, we kind of opened up
with cell defense versus energy creation mode of the
mitochondria, but what are some other genetic or epigenetic
factors that go into proper mitochondrial functioning
Exercise, exercise and. Exercise, proper restorative
sleep, not just the hours you got to do the work.
Most people are melatonin deficient.
You can help fix that with Epitalon or pineolon, or you can
also take melatonin. It's a hormone you need at
night, even if you go to sleep fine.
It helps you sleep deeper and repair your cells at night.
Why do we sleep because we're tired?
No, because your cells need repair and then you're not
tired. So if you feel tired in the
morning, your cells aren't repairing, you're probably not
sleeping restoratively, and one of the reasons is your
mitochondria may not be doing their job.
What's a decent? Dose for someone who doesn't
have sleep problems of melatonin?
I take 12. Milligrams.
So damn, I keep more. More than that, yeah.
It's, it's not a thing. There's, there's a brand I get
on Amazon. I don't always get all my
supplements on Amazon. Just, you know, do your
homework. It's sublingual.
It's 12 milligrams. A bottle of 300 is less than 10
bucks. There are a lot of things they
do that are expensive. That's not one of them.
I mean there. Is interesting research on
cancer and high dose melatonin milligrams 50.
Milligrams. Yeah, that's a shit ton of
melatonin. Well, it's you, sleep you.
Sleep better, you sleep deeper, you restore better and your
cells need it. Isn't melatonin?
Too kind of. Your brains master antioxidant.
It is known. It's known for.
That as well, I don't know if it's the there's a lot going on.
We're learning more and more about brain pathways because
when we look at cell pathways, we're looking at, you know,
stuff we've learned from what's going on in the outside, the
nervous system. But the brain, the brain is a
lot of metabolism in the brain, there's a lot going on.
That's why you can, like, you know, intensely study and be
tired because your brain is using up all your your energy.
The brain is fascinating. All right, I don't want to close
up, but we're going to have to close up here in a couple
minutes. I I do want to know okay, Jeff,
what do you think is the most overhyped therapy and longevity
right now? Wow, let's see the.
Overhyped one, I think a lot of supplements aren't getting to
your cells, which is why I didn't mean to turn this into
the A plug, but it's why we we have an A plant exosome for
phytonutrient delivery because exosomes delivered to your
cells, right? They endocytosis into your
cells, whereas most supplements get lost in digestion, they get
lost in in the bloodstream. They don't even get into the
cells. So they're not, you know, you
have to power overpower yourself with supplements to get there.
And then, you know, you're having so many pills, it's
basically a meal. So are you saying that stem?
Cell and exosome therapy can help deliver whatever is in that
supplement better to the cell. No, I'm not.
I'm talking about. Plant derived exosomes, the
liver, phytonutrients, those important, you know, Co
molecules, coenzymes that our cells need and that our Biome
needs. And you know, for example, let's
take ellergic acid. So pomegranates make exosomes
that have ellergic acid, ellergic acids converted by our
Biome into Urolithenae, which are mitochondrial love.
So you can buy urolithinase supplements right there, but
they're not getting to your cells.
They're at high efficiency, whereas the pomegranate exosomes
that we're working on developing will.
OK, I want to. I'm going to try.
Those that sounds awesome. OK.
And then maybe the most underrated therapy in long jump,
any medicine, exercise always. Yeah, I think I got that from
an. Interview today.
I love that I really do OK the right exercise like muscle.
Used to failure. If you keep moving, your body
will survive. It's it's it will adapt around
that. Every everything will adapt
around that. Your brain, your heart.
As long as you keep moving, couch ain't gonna work.
Never miss a Monday. As my friend Kayla says, she's
talking about the gym, right? She's.
Definitely talking about the gym.
She's a trainer. Yes.
OK, this has been I'm I'm going to say it's been my favorite
episode so far. This is I was looking forward to
it. This is so good, so deep and so
rich. I know how crazy busy you are.
So I appreciate you coming on and I know people are going to
want to know everything about you.
So please tell us where can people find more about RE
Celebrate or you or plant exosomes or stem cell therapy.
Thank you. Check us out at RE.
Celebrate RECELLLEBRATE. We pretty much own that word on
the Internet. So recelebrate.com at celebrate
on any social you follow. We're probably on there.
Check us out. That's the easy way to get in.
And if we can, you want to talk about a joint.
You don't want to have surgery on spine.
If you're facing a spine surgery, let me do a second
opinion. Please let me save you if I can
help you. If you're interested in
peptides, reach out to Jennifer or myself anytime.
Stem cells, exosomes, you have some issues you want to deal
with in there complex Send me all your medical records.
Let's go. And for our practitioners?
Out there, what's the next conference that you're speaking
at or attending? OK, let's.
See, I'm in. I like a comedian, you know?
You can find me at the Comedy Store.
I'm here all night. I'm here all night.
I. Don't have?
The feel, the let's see, I'm in Dallas at the Boston Bio Life in
May. I'm at the biohacking conference
in Austin, which is really a kind of the Super Bowl of things
in the very end of May. Oh, in April we're in, we're in
Florida for, for our plant Exosom Nutraceutical at an event
in Hollandale. I'm lecturing this year in
Buenos Aires. We're going later this week to
visit my biohacking bio dentist friend Dom Nischwitz in Germany.
If you know Dom And yeah, we're, we're getting out there.
We're getting out of the house a little bit.
We just that poor dog. Misses.
Us and we miss him. We have a cat too but she
doesn't care. She's a lone wolf.
Oh, my goodness. All right, Doctor Jeff Gross.
Amazing stuff. Please don't be annoyed when I
reach back out to you and say, please can you come back on my
podcast? I would love to I.
Love it all right? Have a wonderful rest of your
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