Welcome to Peptides for Women. I'm Jennifer Woodward, and this
is your podcast for smart, honest conversations about
peptide therapy and midlife Wellness.
We cover everything from GLP ones to BPC 157, plus the
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Welcome back to the Peptides for Women podcast.
I'm pretty excited to be welcoming my new friend Samantha
Lander to the podcast. Let me tell you about her.
Samantha is a functional diagnostic nutrition
practitioner, a freaking DJA single mom in recovery, and an
entrepreneur. She helps women uncover the root
causes of stubborn health issues like bloating, hormone
imbalances, and fatigue through personalized functional lab
testing, customized supplement and peptide protocols, and
lifestyle. Her passion is guiding women to
heal their bodies and reclaim their energy because women
deserve to feel their best. Fully agreed.
Samantha, I love that. How are you doing today?
Oh. Good.
I'm so excited to be on your podcast.
I'm so excited you're here. I.
Thought you were like such a celebrity in the.
With my 30 podcast episodes out, I love it.
Oh, they kept popping up on my feet when I went because I just
listened to peptide podcast. Like when I first got into it,
it was like anything peptide. So you always popped up.
So it's working. Amazing.
I love it. Well, thank you for listening to
podcasts and thank you for being on the podcast.
When we connected last week, I was like, Oh my gosh, I love
your story. I love every single person that
comes on the podcast. Like I just feel like this is so
important for women to know and understand, but so many of us in
midlife, so many of us are women in midlife particularly have a
pretty similar story. You know, girl turns 40, girl
puts on 15 lbs girls. Like what the fuck?
Girls introduced to peptides girls like, yes, this is
amazing. All right, your story is a
little bit different and really, really fun.
You're also a practitioner and you're diving deep into another
side of peptides. Not not the general peptides
that you know, everyone kind of experiments with that slippery
slope of GLP if you want to nad to growth hormone secreta gogs
to what's next. And so I am excited to dive into
a little bit of a deeper pool with you with regards to
peptides today. But first, tell me about your
story. I mean, you're, you've got a lot
going on in the background, So just give us a little color on,
you know, where you've been for the last 20 years.
Right, so today I'm fortunate enough to say that like I feel
like all my streams are finally into one big river.
So for me, you know, I had that classic story like super sick,
always sick as a kid, bloated, weight loss resistance or just
puppies, chronic stomach aches, things like that.
Never diagnosed a lot of medication.
And well, Fast forward is, you know, I kind of just struggled
through all that fatigue like my whole life until, you know,
diagnosed with ADHD, all that stuff.
And then basically what happened was, and I mean, I partied a lot
so we could get into that, but the meat of it was I started
junior year of college, I started medic, self medicating
with drugs basically. So I was partying a lot, going
out to LA and I tried meth for the first time out in LA and
that was sort of the perfect cocktail for me.
I mean, I was doing a lot of GHB, a lot of ketamine, a lot of
ecstasy, a lot of club drugs at the time.
But when I did meth, it was the first time that I felt like I
had energy again. I did lose some weight, so I was
never able to lose weight. It was always a battle, always
food cravings took the cravings away.
It was almost like my own little GLP.
But then I could focus and I actually felt like, I mean, not,
it's not recommending anyone goes.
There is a peptide actually similar to this, but tessophan.
But you really like, it's like it leveled my brain out.
And obviously, you know, neurotransmitters are made in
the gut. So I'm a firm believer that my
gut was so like jacked up that that's probably why I had a lot
of these symptoms of ADH cheeks. I don't really have them anymore
with the help of a lot of peptides and stuff.
So I got heavily deep into drugs and that Fast forward, I was
selling drugs because I'm an entrepreneur, right?
So it's not far from what I'm doing now.
Now, sometimes when I'm doing this peptide stuff, I'm like, I
was like, this just feels so similar.
But I was selling drugs and I grew like, I like we were
talking before we got on, like I do things and I do them well at
110%, whether it's, you know, a good thing or a bad thing.
And I ended up with a full SWAT raid, landed myself in prison,
did federal prison time, did LA County time.
And then I got out and got into the health and Wellness space
and became personal trainer. And that's when I got basically
introduced to functional lab testing, became an FDM
practitioner. And then kind of the rest goes,
I was sober for, you know, good chunk of time, 13 years and then
relapse and the mommy wine culture.
And, you know, I think we'll dive into a little bit of all
that. But yeah, but it's what I do.
Amazing. This might be majoring on the
minor but I am kind of curious in your story.
So why meth and why not coke if you're looking for, you know,
weight loss and energy? Oh, I hated cocaine.
OK. I hated it.
I would get like super edgy and like paranoid and I felt like I
was crawling out of my skin. And I'm not like saying, Hey, go
do meth, but it's like all the bad things from cocaine to me or
like removed when I did meth, it was just like very, I just felt
normal and, and cocaine didn't give me that.
The only reason I ever did cocaine was to help me not black
out when I would be drinking. But when I started doing meth, I
also started doing GHB, which is basically like drinking without
all the bad stuff. With drinking.
I mean, there's other bad stuff. It's amazing.
Sure, because drugs, I mean, you know, just I mean, this is an
addict. You're talking to an addict.
So my mind is the the rationale. Not always spot on, but yeah.
It is interesting with addiction, though, I feel like
you said something really poignant.
You're like, my brain felt like I was working for the first
time, you know? And your gut started, you know,
started having differences with your gut and your energy.
And I think there's a lot to it where people are kind of driven
to seek out substances that help them feel normal when they're
imbalanced, right 01. 100% whether it's trauma, I mean,
there's so many people are, you know, using because of trauma
and mental emotional stuff that they just don't have the
capacity or their parents don't know to like really give them
the help that they need because maybe it's something that's
happening within the family. You know, that's my relapse.
So my relapse was basically like, I couldn't take on any
more emotional like baggage, like my pot was full.
I was dealing with infidelity, a divorce, a baby.
I, I'm an entrepreneur. I wasn't really working.
I'm not like the Super stay at home mom type at all.
That's why I was smiling earlier when you said that.
I was like, no way, she's got 4 kids.
You guys don't know. And, and so for me, my bucket
was super full and it didn't matter how much functional lab
testing and stuff I did. And that's when I like, I mean,
I, I was OK drinking for a little bit, but then it just
got, it got to be like I couldn't cope.
I couldn't cope and I drank a lot and I would drink every day
at 4:00. I'd have a bottle of gin a day
and I eventually it's just like I couldn't stop.
I know I couldn't stop. Or it'd be like potato vodka.
Or it'd be derived from grapes like because it has the.
Healthy vodka. The healthy shit, right, because
I was still doing what I did, but like I knew it got bad when
I started like buying like just shit vodka or like any of the
airplane bottles. Like in the end, like in the
very end, it's just like anything.
That's when I knew like it's just and I couldn't like I
remember I was automating my business and none of it made
sense. Like I couldn't even like figure
out any of it. And I'm really, I think I'm
pretty, I'm pretty session. I am smart and I couldn't do it.
And I was like this stuff's like the fog.
I couldn't get through it and then I just couldn't stop so.
So what made you stop? What was the turning point?
So I would say that at this point I was going to a, a
meetings, I was meeting with sponsor, I was doing, I was
doing everything and I just, I didn't realize how much of the
physical part that I was like dealing with.
So I think I was having physical detoxes every day around then
and that that's why I had a drink.
I wasn't like getting the shakes or anything like that, but I
think that's a big part of it. But I had gotten into a so I
prayed to God. This is all I can think.
I was, I prayed to God for a guy who was 6 feet tall, covered in
tattoos, right? And had a kid and was sober and
I met him at a birthday party the next day and he was just
super like, I don't think we'd ever be together today.
Like no way. But he was so loving and so
sweet and it was just different than anything I had.
And he was so hot to me. It was just like the perfect
package. And we started dating and I, he
knew about 1 relapse and then I was good for a while.
And then I, I started like, you know, lying about it.
And then I told him about another one and he's like, I
mean, we had a conversation like I love you, I love you.
It's just so sad. Like I, I gotta go, you know, he
and he left and I've literally never seen him nothing.
And so I think that for me, that was my bottom is that through
all my shit with prison and drug addiction and my family and my
friends in LA and I never lost anyone.
Like I never really lost a human being where they're like, you
are so messed up that I can't even be around you.
Like I can't, I don't want my child exposed to you.
Like you're, you're that. And this is coming from someone
who is sober too who understands it.
Addiction was like basically like, you're so disgusting that
I cannot have you around my child.
It's how my mind heard it. And then I just, I haven't even
thought about it since. I have not even thought about
it. And it felt so I remember it
felt so good. It was so painful, but it felt
so good to me to just be able to feel again.
And I just sat in it. I just sat in it and it was
rough. Like I'd be on Zoom calls and
I've turned the video off and just be like that, you know,
like snot crying. But yeah, so.
Tell me a little bit about that faith component.
You said you prayed and the next day you had the man of your
dream show up at a party. So what does that look like
right now? Oh my gosh, I'm like, I'll have
to add you to my group. So I have, I'm, I see universal
signs now left and right. And you'll say, you'll hear that
maybe from a lot of people who go from like a dark place to
something better that like I believe there's a higher power
or God or whatever you want to call it.
Like I had a bat mitzvah at 41, you know, but like the Angel
numbers, like when I see Angel numbers all day, like that's the
universe telling me like good shit's happening.
You're doing the right thing. Just little signs.
I'm super woo woo and I'm getting more and more woo woo
like every freaking week. I feel like like I read, I don't
know, oh, here there, like I have these like words of wisdom
cards that I do and I like started making my clients do it
on the calls. And then like I saw.
So what really happened? That was a major shift and it
didn't matter what peptides I was taking.
It didn't matter what labs I was taking.
Is I I finally realized like like my nervous system, like I
started a cold plunge contrast therapy company because I
thought that was going to be the solution because talk therapy
wasn't working, because I still felt really dysregulated.
Like I felt like something like there's a reason why my hormones
aren't getting better and it's I couldn't outs I couldn't out
peptide and I just I could feel I was getting more and more
where I could feel my nervous system couldn't do what he needs
to do. And I did an event in this guy.
This astrologist was like, you need to go to womb healer.
Oh, do I? Come again, a womb.
Healer and I was like, what the fuck is a womb healer?
I was like, OK, well I have been a little promiscuous in my like
relapse and maybe you sleep something like that.
Like I don't know. He's like, no, you just go.
And I was like, all right. So I went and it's basically
like a healer that can do Reiki and energy work and all the
things that it just happened to be called a womb healer.
And that's probably what like got me to go.
It's just the fact that the womb word was in there.
It was so intriguing and it's changed my life, completely
changed my life. Everything just started to fall
into place the second I started seeing her.
So that was like the final piece.
Like it wasn't. I mean the peptides really help
for sure. For sure.
And I want to transition into that too.
So I mean, that's a new thing. I mean, womb healing's one
thing, let's be honest, like, right.
But for a lot of us, peptide sounded just as out there when
we first started hearing about them.
So what was your introduction into the peptide space?
So I have had so we call it wreckage of the past in in
recovery. And so my teeth were shit Joe
and it I don't, I don't know if it's because I everyone's always
like, what is it from? And I'm like, well, I was a
mouth breather. I had a deviated septum.
I smoked meth. I so I mean, it could be the
meth, but my dad has bad teeth. But you know, when your mouth
breather, you also like in a deviated septum, like you, your
teeth are going to be a little bit less.
The integrity of them is going to go down when you're younger
because they dry out so much. And I never had sugar growing
up. So super healthy mom kind of
crunchy and I started eating a lot of sugar.
But anyway, Fast forward, I got really, really sick to the point
where like I felt like I had a sinus infection, like the worst
one in the world. Like I could barely get out of
bed and I was taking antibiotics and I would feel better.
But then I get sick again and I went to a hyperbaric chamber and
my whole like jaw blew up. And so basically it was just
from the past three years. It was like a catalyst of broken
teeth, you know, tooth infections.
I pulled out 10 teeth. I pulled out 10 root canal
teeth. I did redid my deviated septum
surgery. I you know, I mean, I was so
sick, I would take I was on antibiotics more than I was off
them for two years. And I kept being like, I know
how to fix it, Like I know how to fix it.
I'm an FDN, like I know how to fix it.
I can fix it. That like this is I couldn't
take care of my kid and I basically had no teeth.
I don't even know if I'm video from I just had like my front
couple teeth and then nothing in the back.
And then I pulled out all my bottom left.
So my whole bottom left side was gone.
And then I started working on my right side And when I started
working on my right side, I just wasn't healing and I was like,
well, what is this BPC Wolverine?
Like people are just kind of talking about it, right?
And I ordered a bunch and I just started injecting it into my
gums. Like I had no idea what I was
doing. And I was like at this point,
like I mean, before that I was drinking chlorine dioxide, which
is basically bleach. Like I was trying everything
right there is there's a whole thing to that.
You Google it. I've used it.
OK, OK.
Thank you. No, is it MMS?
No MMS, right? Right.
It's like, I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this.
So Ethan with Oxford Medical Ethan, who used to work for our
food sensitivity test company that we both probably used.
Yep, he recommended it. And I was like, whatever, you
know? But anyway, I started injecting
it into my gums and within the first injection, the
inflammation and like my sinuses and under my eyes were always
just like really puffy. It was gone within a minute.
And I was like, oh, OK. Like I had my face kind of back
and then I just started at that point I think I had just gotten
another pull. I hadn't pulled them all out
yet, but I had another pull and I think I was doing one of my
implants and I just started injecting it, injecting it,
injecting it. And then I was like, well, maybe
I'll do some like go to Thion with it.
I probably need some nid, you know.
And I just sort of started building these stacks as we call
it. And I was getting better faster
and feeling a little more normal.
And I think the icing on the cake is like, I went into my 2
dentists after I had bone graft and they were gonna have to do
like this whole membrane surgery and another graft on there.
And they each thought that I went to the other doctor, had
more bone grafting, did membrane surgeries.
Like they couldn't even believe it.
But like an implant usually takes about 3 months before you
can put a crown on it. And it was done in a month and a
half. And they thought and my bone
grafting and all the, all the healing on the bottom totally
good. I didn't have to do the surgery
for the membrane. And I was like, all right.
And then I just started injecting myself and taking
every peptide you can imagine. I was sold.
It was a I was a right there. It's very interesting too with,
I mean those infections being concentrated in your mouth.
I don't know if you watched the video from Cell Core.
It's one of their chiropractors was talking about focal
infections above the neck and how insidious these infections
can be because that your mucous membranes in your mouth are so
permeable and those infections can get lodged in the gums and
under the teeth. And you can do round after round
parasite cleansing and, you know, antimicrobials.
And if they're stuck in the gums, in the teeth, it's going
to be impossible to clear all that out of your body.
Well, I had this like chronic like what felt like a big loogie
sort of in my sinuses and I had so I did a full, I also did a
full last November, not this November, but last I did a full
deviated septum surgery. They went, they removed it and
they were just like I was like no better.
And the day after the surgery I went and had a molar pulled out.
Literally the tooth just like came out of my jaw.
But I just kept having this like pain and I was like, it's this
tooth over here. There's a referral pain because
I was a trainer for 20 years. I'm like, there has to be like
cross referral just like in the back, like something from over
here is going over here and that because nothing is working.
And I mean, I would Nettie everything.
I pulled that tooth and everything went away.
My last root canal came out and everything went away because
root canals at the end of a root canal, you typically get an
infection. The last pull of my bio dentist
it was I was like fine I was doing.
Like scopes or tests on on teeth like they do on breast implants.
Can you tell like? Is there?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So I did cavitations at one
point where they go in to like where your wisdom teeth are and
basically what can happen. They can like look on these
combine scans, but this what happens is that bone becomes
what kind of like spongy, like rotten wood and they go in, they
scrape it out and then they test that and they test for like lime
and parasites and all. And I mean every single thing
came up as red. They never really went over it
with me. Like, you know, I mean like I'm
trying to, I was trying so hard to like, let me work for you
guys, Like I'm telling you, you need to do what I do, but I
never and I always every once in a while like comes full circle
back. I'm like, I should probably
figure out what that was, but it was like I had everything.
It was like strep lime and I'm like, I just, I think I was just
that capacity and I was like, I don't want to know.
Like there's nothing I can. I'm literally ripping teeth out
of my mouth. But yeah.
And how that is crazy. I told you when we first talked,
that's like the recurring nightmare I used to have as a
kid is I would bite my own teeth out one by one and I'd wake up
and it was such a real nightmare.
Like I thought there were holes in my gums.
It felt so real. I can't believe how like
normalized it became. I'd just go in to just have them
look at it too. Then I'd be like, just just pull
it. They're like, Are you sure?
I'm like, I don't know what I don't know.
I was so sick. I didn't even my quality of your
life was horrible and I was like, well, this helps to get
better. I can always just put an implant
in and a crown at this point. Absolutely.
I just was not afraid of it. By the time I I just wanted to
get better. And So what did that healing
trajectory look like for you? Did it work?
Yeah, yeah, I just got 4 crowns. I just have one more crown that
I need to put on an implant. But yeah.
So after that, like once I started feeling better, it was
go time. Like I was seeing my womb healer
and I that's when I just sort of fully integrated.
I got really took a deep dive and did every certification you
cut on like peptides. I was like, I got to figure out
how to pull this into my practice.
Like there's no way that I'm not going to be able to utilize
these tools. Like there's no way.
And I started integrating them with my clients.
Even, you know, I have PCOS. So I tried Retta and Oh my God,
it was like, you know, all the podcasts people you interview.
It was just like a little miracle I had put on.
Like I mean, I, I was so sick for like 3 years.
Like I'm, I'm always like $1.10 right?
And I was not a buck. I was probably 125 lbs couldn't
get it off it within like one month of doing like a good stack
of like Wolverine, Tessa and Retta in like probably one month
for me all leveled out like completely.
It just, you know what I mean? You I was like every day I wake
up and I would have like tears, like a tear.
I'd be like, I feel like I'm walking on water.
Like where has this been all my whole life?
Like, I mean, I like to think this is like I'm walking on
water, like, Oh my God, I'm like the Ben Green feels like I can
feel my cells healing on a cellular level.
Like all you biohacking guys talk about all this shit.
You feel like I've never felt it.
Like I just keep doing it. Like I just do, you know?
And like I was able to integrate it.
My clients were getting better results.
They were like, you know, I mean, even like my mom, I got,
she came by one day and was like, my back hurts.
I'm like just got a little Wolverine.
And like next thing she knows, she's like, I need more.
She's like my RA, like everything is better, you know?
And so I took a deep dive and. Yeah.
And so I started, I work with a lot of people in recovery.
So nad you know, glutathione, all those things are really,
really great to start integrating in after like 30
days or more of sobriety, a lot of people.
So that's a big part. It's like a lot of people get
sober, but they don't feel better.
So like, how are we getting Like I do the gut and the nutrition
and I build programs, but I integrate the peptides and it's
just, you know, there is a miracle.
And then I do it a lot with gut health.
I love like I geek out on like the chronic illness stuff with
peptides. 100% And that's kind of what I want to talk about
too. I mean, you've got a unique
subset of clients who are in recovery and also are
experiencing chronic illness. And I just can't help but
thinking about that link between those two things.
Just, it's so prevalent in your story and probably you see it
playing out like over and over and over again.
When you feel terrible, you take risks with your health, right?
Like there if something makes you feel better for a time.
I know this personally too. You know, you're definitely
going to be more open to that. And I think that with addiction,
it just spirals like you don't realize it's getting worse and
getting worse and your dependency is getting greater
because you know, you're just, you're walking down that path
and you don't really see a way back.
And So what does that look like for you working with people in
recovery and then chronic illness to how does peptides fit
into that? So for me, yeah.
So I do think that, like, I mean, you'll hear people who are
in chronic back pain and then they get addicted to, you know,
pain meds or I think a big part of my drinking was like, after I
had my kid, like, my PCOS was just on fire.
Like, I didn't have that. Like, oh, it reset my whole
thyroid. And I'm feel fucking amazing.
Like, I didn't get that. And so for me, the drinking took
me out of what I've been battling with since 2000, 9,
when I decided to save money on lab testing and become an FPM
pregnant. But the chronic illness, it's
something like because people come in and they get late,
they're layered. So it's going to be like Lyme
mast cell, Hashimoto's. And typically you're not having
one when you come in and you're dealing with chronic illness.
So like, what are you going to do?
And that's when it gets really important to work with a
practitioner with peptide. So I have some clients where
like you can't even give them peptide.
BPC will fire them up like they'll be fired up.
They can't even do it. Like it is not anything like
just, you know, the average Joe who can, who can go take
Wolverine. You'll try to give them KPV,
which is really good for mast cell and like bringing the
system down. They can't even do it like I
have them literally like tap the needle into the peptide and do
like a finger prick until they can do it.
So one that I was just it was like the miracle for the people
who have like just just an overload system.
They got to get the immune system like regulated.
They can't even take the supplements that we would give
them because they're just too many herbs.
Like it's, it's like they can't even do that.
They get stomach aches or gas or diarrhea.
And so I started using lorazepide, which is really
cool. So I start typically I'll start
with that and see how they do. And that just fills the tight
junctions really well and the gut and leaky gut.
So you fill those so everything isn't so leaky.
So you start with that and then you can slowly like integrate
like thymus and A1 or the, and then add in, you know, KPV
slowly, like really slow. So they don't get like a mast
cell, for example, like if someone's doing tessamolin and
epimolin or CJC and they get that like mast cell activation.
It's not the peptide, it's your body's way of telling you either
your estrogen's too high, your, you know, immune systems on
overload. And so I will add in the KPV and
then eventually we can do a little bit of the like BPC and
TB and calm them down. And then we can kind of go like
once we get that all stabilized, then we can start adding in like
other supplements if we need to, if we know they have parasites,
we can maybe start working on something like that.
But those are great just like kind of get get you going.
LL37 is a good one for the end of like I love it for the end of
a gut protocol. I say it's like a squeegee.
It's like the antimicrobial, like, I don't know, I just
picture a squeegee just like squeezing out like the biofilm.
And then, you know, because you really don't want to do a ton of
Wolverine or the BBC and TV because what can happen is if
you have like SIBO, it'll weed it in to that gut lining when
you're trying to heal it. So it's just shit that people
don't know. Like that's why the direct to
consumer stuff so freaking scary.
I'm testing all these like bigwig like dude, peptide guys,
you know, peptides and then they're doing the secretive gods
and they're like they talk like this.
They have beards and and so I'm testing all of them.
I'm like kind of like gotten in with them.
I mean I love that. I love listening to them.
I love their voices. I love everything they say, but
I I started running GI panels on these guys.
I mean it is so bad. Like it's multi infection guts
like it's not it's like a parasite.
Candida yeast and they probably SIBO if we haven't tested for it
yet. All of them.
Are you saying that since they weren't using peptides properly,
they open their gut to become more infected?
Or are you saying these infections were there to begin
with and the peptides that they were?
Trying to they were probably there Yeah, OK, they were
probably there. They just they think peptides
are it and they aren't. You have to build a program like
peptides are amazing, you know, tool in your our toolbox, but
they are not gonna like kill a parasite No like just not no, I
mean you have every one of my peptides clients.
I run AGI panel. OK, for sure.
So walk me through that. What does that look like with
your clients? So for me, I'm real psycho about
doing GI panels because I learned the hard way, thousands
and thousands of dollars. I was like when I first got into
FDN, very beginning. So FDN at that point was doing
like a one day school test with some company assignment open
anymore. And that was in like 2009 or 10.
And I just kept coming back negative.
And I was like, I don't know man.
I know I have something like it was like chronic diarrhea.
Like I just couldn't get better. And then I decided to do
multiple days. So what I did was a biofilm
protocol. So I broke down the biofilm in
my gut with, you know, therapies or interface first.
So once I broke it. Back interfaith, right?
And then we and then we broke it down and then I tested for six
days during the full moon when parasites breed and I came back
with two parasite. And so that's how I totally
changed my way of testing. And I think like I get a lot of
referrals from people who have done a lot of GI maps, a lot of
testing with functional practitioners.
And they're like, no, I did it, it's fine.
No, I'm good. I didn't do and I'm like, you're
gonna do it again. Like I'm sorry, but like, I'll,
I'll, I'd rather like skip like the Dutch panel and have you
just get blood work and then do this GI panel again.
And every time it's almost worse than just one of my normal
clients. Crazy.
But you're busting the biofilms before you go in and do the six
day test, right? Yeah, like 2 week protocol of
interface. I do 4 weeks so I build it.
OK, so week 1 is 2 pills twice a day, empty stomach, and then
Week 2 you go up and then yeah. So funny too, just hearing you
explain this. I mean, especially for people
who have chronic illness, it's been a long time that they've
been feeling this way, right? And everyone does want a quick
fix. And I feel like that's why
peptide, one of the reasons why peptides are just like swelling
right now, because you do see results.
If you're relatively healthy, you do see results fairly
quickly. But if your case is a little bit
more complex, like you have to be willing to put in the time,
You have to be willing to put in the expense.
This isn't like buying shitty research peptides tides off of
like you know, US peptides.com or whatever.
It's like running the right labs, spending four weeks
busting your biofilms before running a six day stool test.
Like sometimes that is what needs to happen for people to
really heal and not just mask their symptoms.
Yeah, and I think too, like as you know, like you can't skip
hormones with at least with women, Like you just can't like.
Absolutely not for. Me like I do Tessa.
I was good on Tessa and I did some and like Mass so totally
blew up. I'm like OK.
And so then I went, my blood work done, my estrogen was super
high. So it's like the two hand in
hand and I'm like, OK, so like I was, I was not addressing
hormones. And that's just personally for
me. But like I won't give anybody.
I'm mean by giving people ride a true tie.
Like I'm like, I'm not going to give you any until I know like I
need to see food logs. You need to do this and you have
to run some sort of hormone panel because you can't like
peptides aren't going to really fix hormones.
I mean, after having a baby and you do kisspeptin or something
like that. But like I do that do integrate
bio regulators. I do a lot of bio regulators
too. A little bit not a time.
I haven't seen a lot of of change with bio regulators.
I use them quite a bit in my own protocol.
And I mean, I'm pretty healthy and so I'm not expecting to see
a huge change, but I was expecting to see a little bit
more of a change, you know, working on my pineal gland, my
epithelia like cells. And I don't know, I'm open.
To it injectable or. Injectable.
OK, I think the. Injectables are better, but I So
what I'm seeing is there's some really good ones for like
thyroid and you do, you can do like the thyroid bioregulator,
but then you add in there's another one, it's thyroid PEP or
some I don't even know, I can tell you later.
But doing the two of those, I've actually seen my people with
Hashimoto's come back with like almost like they're completely
in remission, like perfect labs and everything just after doing
that. That is very interesting, all
right. Do more than one cycle with that
though. So sometimes it's like they're
like you only just have to do it once or twice a twice a year.
These 20 capsules, it's crazy. So I don't know.
There is a difference too, I think with, I mean, my client
population I work with are hormonally off midlife women,
right? And so when I run them through
my full protocol, like my actual program, we do a lot of work on
nutrition and diet, anti-inflammatory eating.
And so my women lose on average 20.3 lbs without peptides.
And I'm seeing like, yeah, it's all my daddy girl.
I got all my data. 20.3 lbs. OK, like I guess I'm by doing
over here. Also, you know that that is
without peptides and I'm seeing like my women's Hashimoto's
markers come down, their anti antibodies come down, like their
hormones starting to regulate. Obviously like adding in hormone
replacement therapy is huge for my women too.
And FDN teaches us to do so much with over the counter, you know,
really like not really hormone replacement therapy, but like
hormone regulation. And that took me very far to a
point. And then all my women hit
perimenopause and I was like, oh shit, we need to bring in the
big guns. And so actually.
I went through it. Yeah, I did too.
I did too. I mean, I was.
Like ain't gonna solve this. No, no, no, no.
Yeah. I was like, OK, now these jeans
don't fit. Like, yeah, I don't know what's
happening. Like, this is insane.
Why am I sweating? Like I just had a child at
night? Like, it was just crazy.
And if you're not drinking too, like, those things shouldn't be
happening. But I will say like as far as
like when I work with people, like I talk about alcohol and
that's the biggest thing is like if you're drinking with peptides
or drinking and trying to like go perimenopause, like it is not
a good combo. Even if it's one drink, like
Nope, good luck. Like it's not.
It's hard like. It is definitely hard, although
I do feel like so now it's been what like last NN2024 I started
I went through two years of 0 alcohol like I went through like
you know, but basically being too, too dependent on alcohol.
So hired a sober coach and didn't touch one drop for two
years and then tore my calf muscle in a pickleball
tournament and decided that was the day I was going to start
drinking again. It was great for the day but
didn't work out well long term. Right.
I will say that it used to be such a big pull for me.
I think my brain kind of needed it.
Like my body kind of needed it to shut off.
My brain shut off like all the like excitatory stuff that's
going on. Like in my body, I just needed
something to chill out. But I have noticed that after,
you know, over a year on peptides like I I really don't
like I don't look to it anymore. Now I do pop nicotine pouches.
All right, I will say that, but. You know, that's supposed to be
really good for long COVID. I absolutely do know that, and
it's supposed to dissolve microplastics in the body, which
is one of the reasons I started. Which brand do you get?
I thought there's like microplastics.
I mean, I just get, I go the tobacco shop and I buy Zins so I
know there's better. Bad.
They probably are, but I talked. To Ben Greenfield or one of
those guys, I'm sure they have like some fucking.
Yeah, Ben Greenfield, why don't you come on my podcast and talk
about nicotine pouches, OK? This is an open invitation.
OK, OK, let's get back to you then.
Let's get back to you. So, you know, talking about GI
panels, talking about this, My, my whole point was just that
like we talk about foundations on this podcast all the time.
And I think it's really important just to reiterate,
like you as an FDN, it's not like you're just going straight
into peptides or hormone replacement therapy.
Like you're doing all the functional lab work.
You're doing the foundations of diet, rest, exercise, stress
management, probably adding in targeted supplements too.
And then, you know, taking things to the next level is when
you're layering in these these newer therapies, right?
Yep, Yep. And I, I even just hit a post
like I do a lot of old school shit too.
Like I, I do both like it just depends on the person.
But like I think Castor oil packs are fired.
I think they're amazing. I I think they work great.
I love them. Like sometimes you just forget
like that, like go for a damn walk and like put your face in
the sun. Like, I mean, I could push
peptides all day, but like if you don't do some of these
others, like there's so many things you just blend them.
So it's always like the new school and the old school, like
just blend them. But it's it's about that's why
you and I are. We have the clientele that we
have is because we're building programs and we're not just like
pushing peptide, you know, at all.
We're not peptide sales Rep you. Know it is funny that you say
that it also it's funny like your, your, your story and my
story a little bit. I also used to be a drug
salesperson. I just worked for Abbott
Laboratory. So I tell people like I used to
sell drugs. It is where I'm I learned how to
sell drugs very young, but I mean, I goes back to like, I
remember like setting up shop in my parents front yard with like
candy and lemonade and like girl, I would, it wasn't just a
lemonade stand. It was like a whole like candy
store, like you name it. I would go use their money, buy
all this stuff and then resell it like just so like, you know,
like for double the price. It's.
Just like, it's so funny. That entrepreneur like you
either got it or you don't. Like, I just opened a business,
you know, another what? My cold plunge business.
And it was like I had some staff and it was like they think they
are like you just you just either do it or you don't and
you don't complain about it. Like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I work
seven days a week, have time. But like, it's just it comes
naturally to you. And it's interesting because my
brother's actually an entrepreneur.
My mom sort of is like dad, definitely not.
But you know, you either got it or you don't.
You do, you kind of come out of the womb that way.
It's funny that you stay alive too.
I mean, we got to talk more. I just remember, I remember
being like 8 years old with my Radio Flyer wagon after my
sisters and I had put little chunks of mistletoe into plastic
bags, tied them with cheap ribbon, and we're walking around
the neighborhood selling that mistletoe to our neighbors for
$0.25. That's the winter.
And in summer we're taking around lemons and selling them
for $0.25. And I just think like, that was
just, that's just what I knew. Like that's who I've always been
you. Know it is it's like what you do
like I don't know I like I would make a lot of bone broth right
And then I just decided to start selling bone broth and then my
money went to having a child to do some infertility stuff.
But I was literally gonna buy this little like roundabout
coffee shop and I was gonna call it the bone brothel and just
sell bone broth. But now I just I literally,
literally it's like my side hustle in my fridge in my garage
and I will sell and I have freezers full of bone broth that
people just come and I'll spend $200 on bone broth.
The profit margin on that, it's like $20 to make 10 containers
that I sell for $15. All right, see, I mean there's
just there's no stopping it. We don't do things half assed
do. We, I'm a single mom, man.
I am a single mom, You know, I said 50 grand on my teeth.
I gotta figure it out. I don't even get to buy Gucci
bags. It all goes back into like me
just trying to stay alive, you know, or peptide.
Well, I know we're audio only on the podcast, but I will say your
teeth look really damn good. Yeah, way to go.
Now you tell me I showered for this ahead and wash my hair in
like 6. Days, it looks great.
One day our budget's going to be big enough for audio and visual,
but right now I think we're still under episode 40.
So hang in there and come back. Come back all.
Right, I'm coming back. Hey, I do want to talk about a
couple of other things real fast here.
You know, you brought up something interesting to me
before we hopped on. You were talking about genetic
mutations for GLP ones. If GLP ones are not working for
people, they're a non responder. Of course you want to look at
all of the lifestyle issues first, right?
Like I do have one guy who doesn't eat until dinner, Like
he only eats one meal a day. I'm like, listen, this GLP 1 is
not going to work if you have historically been under eating,
I need you to eat breakfast and I need you to eat a small lunch
and then a really small dinner. And then let's integrate the GLP
1. And so he is one of the people
who is not responding because, you know, of dietary issues.
But that's different from single nucleotide polymorphism.
So let's talk about the snips and a little bit of that
information for people. So basically the Snips that are
being studied. So I had a client same thing.
Like I have a client who just it's like we've done everything
like I don't even know. And I like lose sleep over it
because that's what we do. And it's so it's the genetic
SNPs that are studied are Rs 10305444 and then another one.
So basically what it does is it's just going to make you a
non responder to the GLP 1. So it's not going to slow down
the gastric empty time. It's not going to do the dim the
food noise. It's not, you're not going to
have that weight, that fat loss that you're going to see from
people who are taking Tresiba. And I don't know if these
studies are tirzepatide or retitutide or what it is.
I'm just sort of digging into it because I just found this out.
So there's got to be some sort of like genetic thing where some
people aren't going to respond and there is.
So I just, I don't know, like, you know, I could read a bunch
of stuff from ChatGPT and tell you all about it.
But but, but I just think it's something that's important.
Like if someone is worried about like, I mean, it's not like
Retta is not cheap or triseptide, whatever you're
doing. So it's like before you go down
that path, maybe doing a genetic test to see if you have this,
you know, issue is important. You know, that issue that's kind
of negative. If you have a genetic SNP, you
should see before you spend 450 bucks on a bottle of a GLP every
month. I mean, but the good thing is
like if you're working with a practitioner and you're building
out a program, you will know that there are other tools.
And so for me, I know now I can bring in like 5 amino, one MQ or
AOD or, you know, Sloop or pecifen.
So there's a lot of other peptides.
It's not like I'm speaking. I always laugh when I'm like
speaking. You get it.
I don't know if anyone else gets it, but these peptides are all
like fat burners. They put you in a metabolic
state of exercise. There's other things you can do
to push the needle. If you are working with someone
that a lot of just you're not going to be able to go peptide
sciences and figure it out. Like you won't know you can go
order it. Have fun.
I mean, there's Tessa Moreland literally just burns your belly
fat, you know, just don't do it. If you have lime or mass cell
issues, check that. Out first.
They're in the hard way. Or high estrogen, which is all
of them. I like this discussion 2 of
genetics, but I also think it's important to bring in
epigenetics because we always say like genes are not our
destiny. And so even though, I mean, I
work with a lot of people with like MTHFR snips, right?
And so they're always like, I have MTHFR.
So I'm not going to be able to lose weight.
I'm not going to be able to detoxify my estrogen.
I'm like. Listen, just take a supplement.
It's. Hard If you keep eating you know
like no breakfast and drinking coffee in the morning and never
seen the sun and you know cutting your calories to nothing
and over exercising yeah, you're going to have some problems with
your MTHF far. But if you can control your
epigenetics so that you're getting sufficient protein and
optimizing your circadian rhythm and dialing in your minerals and
getting sleep and Epsom salt baths, then that genetic
expression is going to look a little bit different than
somebody's got like a, a fully functioning SNP, right?
So I think it's important for. Two, I have it.
I, I didn't even really know, like I do too.
So I have it, but I'm always like high estrogen.
But then like I started doing all like.
So I was like testing my biological age because I thought
it was like 130 because of my mouth.
And like, I just started running all these labs and I was like,
I'm gonna die. So I'm just gonna spend more
money on labs. Like this is me.
Like in that November when I was like, I'm just gonna die sick.
Like it's gonna be my mom has this little stoop tombstone in
her bath and says, I told you I was sick.
And I always think it's so ironic because they're always
like, you're fine, you're fine. My dad's an orthopedic surgeon,
You're fine. Just take some medicine.
And so I always look at that when I'm like peeing at their
house and I'm like I told you guys, I was sick and like I was
there and I, but I did a lot of testing and everything was like,
because I'm always like puffy, like I always feel.
And it was like everything pointed to like that MTF 8R.
So I finally got tested and I have a snip.
My son has the snip and he has a lot of behavioral stuff.
So I mean, it's not hard to fix, but like, you know, you can take
methylbolate and then obviously lifestyle, but you know,
sometimes lifestyle, like I do a lot of lifestyle and it was
hard. And yeah, you're absolutely
right. Like that in and of itself is
not sufficient, but definitely should be something that's
addressed, you know, while you're looking at genetic
components. And this is interesting too,
because when I was talking with you this at first I heard about
today. So thank you for introducing me
to that, you know, even idea. Just learning.
I just did my genetic test. So where do you find that?
Where can somebody get that done?
I. Don't know this was blue
genetics or blue jeans or it might be totally hold on.
If you find it, send it to me and I'll put it in.
The show notes blue blue jeans, cute lab, but I don't even know
honestly. That's OK.
All right. Sorry everybody.
We're going to introduce it to you and go.
There's a bunch of them, I think 23andMe, if you've already done
a test with them when I was like researching it last week, it
looks like you can actually call them and they hey, I'll pay them
another 100 bucks and they can add in that test to do great.
I think it's pretty common. Like there were a couple other
labs. They just wanted to charge me
like some stupid amount, yeah. Interesting, I will do that
actually cuz I've got I ran that test last year so I'll look into
that. Thanks.
Samantha. Lots of fun new stuff.
OK, and let's end with this cuz I just think it.
I mean, there are lots of amazing things about you, but
this is one of the ones I personally find most dear.
You're also a DJ and you hosted a sober rave in January.
You've got another sober rave coming up in April.
So I want to know, like, personally, how does music
affect your recovery? How does like the expression of
being creative affect your recovery?
And what do you have next for your DJ career?
Oh my God. So actually, so when I was in
LA, when I decided to buy 2 turntables and be a drug dealer
out there, I was a DJ, right? And I did really well because,
because that's what I do. If I see it, I'm gonna do it and
I'm gonna do it well. And so I came out of retirement,
you know, 2 1/2 years ago, I went digital and I did not even
think anything of it. That was the one thing left from
my drug phase that like I just could have been famous.
It's sort of in my mind, I'm like, could've been famous.
Put it on this. So like what, you know, and I
just just had so much sadness and grief that I couldn't
process. And I was like, fuck it, I'm
gonna do it again. And on my vision board, I'm
like, I'm gonna headline a rave. I'm gonna do this.
And it like, it literally happened.
And I was like headlining these raves and it just like, it fills
my soul. It's like I can't.
Music is such a big part of my life.
Everything about it. I, you know, I mean, you put on
a good song in the car and your whole movie, you know, it's
there is something powerful with music.
And I feel like it is one of the things that it doesn't matter
what president you like. It doesn't matter what religion
you are. A song can bring people together
in a way that nothing else can, right?
Nothing. You can have two people who are
completely different in the same room listening to a song that
they both like and they will be OK.
I don't go to a therapy this, but music is my therapy and it's
one of the ways I bond with my 20 year old son.
Like we'll send music back and forth.
I just have this great memory of him like at 16 years old when he
made me sit on the backyard and we listen to the entire Drake
album. I'd never do that like on my
own, but it's just one of my favorite memories.
He's also into EDM. Like, he just has such a great
music repertoire and the way that he knows all the history
and like the nuances about DJs and, and, you know, singers and
stuff is just something I really, really appreciate.
Well, I'm hoping to be playing at some of these biohacking
conferences, so we'll see if that.
Let me know, I want to come backstage.
I know. I'll come, fangirl.
You can be on stage, girl. Yeah, no, it's good stuff.
But I it's so funny though, because I did, I actually post
in the district. I was a spinning instructor,
which is all music. And then I did synchronized
swimming, which is music. Like you just sing much for six
years? Like I was like.
Hardcore. You got that.
You are a mystery. But everything I've done is
always like music. And so it's just, it's
interesting. I mean, I love music.
I love all of it except for heavy metal.
So yeah. I don't like heavy metal either.
Great, another thing we have in common.
Did you read Mark Ronson's Night People?
No. You might like that book.
I mean, Mark, DJ Mark Ronson, right?
But he's a hip hop DJ, like underground hip hop DJ from like
1990s New York City, but just like loving music.
I actually, I listen to the Audible instead of reading the
book and he narrates it and just like you can just tell how much
he loves music, loves the culture.
It's this like chronology from him being a kid all the way to
like being a dad. And it is a fantastic story.
I literally cried when it was over, it was so good.
OK, then you have to go on to there's the Avicii stories on
YouTube and then I'm Tim on Netflix.
I watched. I'm Tim, my son, my husband and
I. I'm Tim also cried.
What a prodigy like that tried. Tragic.
And who doesn't love Avicii? So go watch.
And he was. And they say he was, you know,
he was killed. Well, that's a whole other thing
that would make sense. But yeah, I was.
Trying to think like how like what they said about how he
died, like with the wine bottle, I was like, how would you do
that to yourself? Go.
Watch it's before he died. Go watch Avicii story or no?
Yeah, Avicii stories on YouTube and shows.
I mean, he was like pulling in the drug thing.
Like he was really like he started smoking a lot of meth
and crap and like it got bad. But then he went through like
his kind of come to Jesus moment, but not actually.
It was like more Eastern right? Like he was in like
transcendentalism. I think it's, well, Gourdain,
Chef Gourdain, whatever. Bourdain.
Yeah, yeah. He also died.
They were both making a movie about sex trafficking, so.
Well, that is real deep actually, so that's crazy.
Okay, okay, I don't know if I want to get that deep on the
Peptide podcast. Entertainment Tonight, Damn
peptides and the real dev of Ichi.
Man, no. Tonight's my son's birthday, so
I'm driving carpool, and then he wants Chick-fil-A, so I'm gonna
indulge his little Chick-fil-A whims because he's 14, Yeah.
My kid loves it too. So.
I can get it OK. This is.
So good. I know fun.
I could talk to you for literally like 8 hours.
You're going to have to come back on the podcast.
I want to go deeper into some of these fat burners too with you
Sloop AOD. Like those are all things that
are kind of next level for a lot of our audience.
And so as we progress as a podcast, I want to start
progressing into some of those other options.
So consider yourself invited back.
Thank you for all of your expertise, for your story, for
your vulnerability. I just think you are fascinating
and it has been a great hour to have gone to spend with these.
So Samantha, how do people find you if they want to learn more?
I am see fit living so S EE FIT living Instagram on that TikTok.
I don't really post, but I'm on there or that's see
fitliving.com. You can do a clarity call all
that good stuff. You want to work with me about
it? Yeah, fantastic.
DJ Samantha Lee LE EE you want to get on the DJ page, you can
see I'm about to post my onesie rave.
My onesie rave. After this weekend, I'm
headlining A onesie rave. I'm gonna do stitch a stitch
onesie. OK, you're it's a furry rave.
I like it. Right.
Why not? Nothing like doing this at 45.
I have to tell you, this is really fast.
I don't really do girls weekends, I often, but I have
three really good girlfriends from high school and we're down
in Huntington Beach like, I don't know, five years ago, just
chilling, you know, drinking wine, riding bikes down the
boardwalk. And it's like 5:30 PM on a
Friday night. We're all riding our bikes down
in Huntington Beach, like on the beach and we come across a furry
every convention, right? It was one of the coolest things
ever. Literally.
I have a picture with like a bunch of furries, like grown ass
people on the beach dancing all in these like furry costumes.
And it was just kind of a glorious sight.
They were all super cool, so nice, like answered all our
questions. And then these 4 middle-aged
women like ride off to the sunset on their bikes on their
beach cruisers. See ya.
Great. It's always a good story, so.
Please send me a picture of you as Stitch.
I cannot wait to see. I will love it.
All right, you guys, Samantha Lander, everybody or DJ Samantha
Lee. Yeah.
All right. Thanks for your time, Samantha,
and thank you everyone for listening to the Peptides for
Women podcast. We will be back next week with
another great show.