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Today's episode is hosted by me,
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Anne and me, Anna, and today 
we're going to be discussing 

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ADHD and pets. 
Joining in on the discussion, 

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we're joined by our guest, ADHD 
babe Nicole. 

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Hi. 
Hello. 

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So I mean, you're no stranger to
the podcast, but just so that 

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our listeners can get to know 
you a little bit better, would 

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you like to tell us, do you have
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And if so, please tell us more. 
You know what is your? 

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Yeah, I have a cat. 
Well, technically I have two 

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cats, but yeah, I have one very 
pregnant cat and another cat 

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which was the previous batch 
baby that is now a big cat. 

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My goodness. 
Wow, we've already asked the big

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question. 
Let's go on to where you 

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diagnosed with ADHD at the time 
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No, I didn't. 
I wasn't diagnosed actually when

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we had cats. 
I've always, actually always had

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cats now that I think about it, 
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they are. 
And obviously they are living in

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London and living in a city, 
it's kind of cruel to have other

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pets that you can't kind of 
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So I've always had quite low 
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them, like fish and birds and 
rabbits and cats that like you 

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feed them a couple times and 
then they find for the, you 

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know. 
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for ages for sure. 
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But I didn't know I had ADHD 
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So it's interesting actually 
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actually think there's some 
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present and my parents who are 
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So maybe they also had some 
rationale in their maintenance 

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upkeep there? 
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Like my parents grew up with a 
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and my parents are originally 
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they grew up in a in a rural 
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cats, parrots, anything. 
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loads of pets. 
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married, they decided not to 
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moved to like the city and it 
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pets and children at the same 
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So we would never allowed to 
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difficult for us. 
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brothers. 
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was like, Oh my God, I really 
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Like I really, even though I had
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like I needed an extra like an 
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Her name, her name, Yeah, her 
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Beautiful one. 
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breed was. 
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cross breed. 
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And he, I just, it was quite 
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didn't really know how much work
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especially when they're like 
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You know, when you get them as 
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you know, where to go to the 
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And they're so clingy and they 
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just, you just have to give them
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out of it like with a child. 
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themselves. 
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human being. 
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you or pets, dogs, cats, 
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the rest of their lives to to 
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Yeah, yeah. 
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Hello, Nicole. 
Before getting a pet, what did 

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you expect pet ownership to be 
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And what surprised you the most 
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Good question. 
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usually of the animal when 
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else or you see someone else 
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So I think cats especially, 
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superstitious. 
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from the Caribbean, I'm from 
Dominica and like certain 

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there's loads of superstitions 
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energies, them being quite 
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and good people around you. 
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always like a quite a spiritual 
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There's also the like novelty of
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present in elders homes. 
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pet actually think about it. 
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definitely a thing that that 
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person's thing and you'd go and 
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older auntie or uncle. 
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tended to have cats, which is 
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guy right now. 
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this like learned sense of it 
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a way that like dogs for us were
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animals sometimes because 
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stray dogs in the Caribbean 
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Or they were kind of the quite 
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racialized underpinning of dogs 
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where you'd keep them, where for
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your room and come in your 
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most of the time. 
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separations of like what the 
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like the wise guide and overseer
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it, but you don't need to really
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It kind of does its own thing. 
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then it's just a companion if 
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And and I quite that, I feel 
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stayed in relationship until you
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kind of changed because you 
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litter and feeding them and all 
of that side. 

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But yeah, until I had a cat of 
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wise spiritual sensing thing 
that you kind of stayed at a 

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distance with. 
When it was ready, it came to 

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you, you didn't kind of go to it
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relationship with that person. 
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welcomed you, then the cat would
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That was kind of my early 
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That's interesting. 
You know, I can, I can relate, 

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but more on the on the aspect of
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So like you said, that whole 
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somebody and they've got their 
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stay cute. 
That was me, but with dogs. 

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So I always growing up, I always
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you know, living in my house, my
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and when you leave. 
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So when I moved out, got a dog 
and I just had that novelty in 

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my head, like it's going to be 
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And I don't know, like pet 
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before having one, it looked so 
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Like what we've got to do is 
walk the thing till I got one. 

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I was like, what? 
What did I sign up for? 

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This is a lot and it's like 
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what can you do? 
It is literally like having a 

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baby 24/7 like you're saying. 
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it. 
So it's like 24/7 you have a 

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baby and they're so clingy. 
They follow you everywhere. 

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Yeah. 
It's a lot. 

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They're, they're so and 
especially dogs, like dogs, they

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need, they need your attention. 
They just stay sick. 

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That emotional connection. 
They need to feel the love. 

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They need to feel the 
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They need to feel like you're 
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They need to be at the center of
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Like, Oh my goodness. 
And I've got, so I've got a dog 

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and a cat. 
And I got the cat first, to be 

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honest. 
Well, currently, because I've 

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had three pets throughout my 
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But currently I've got Coco, 
which is my cat, and I have 

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Milo, which is the dog. 
And Milo is a Japanese Akita 

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who's huge, absolutely huge, 
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He thinks he's a cat himself, 
which is like really? 

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And then Coco is very much like 
just, he wants to do his own 

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thing. 
He just wants to be fed. 

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Don't pet me, do not touch me, 
stay away from me. 

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We call. 
He would say to him, we say that

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he's a gangster because he's out
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And before, when he was younger,
he used to come back with like 

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bruises and stuff all over him. 
And he was just like, Oh my God,

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you've been in fights. 
Like, yeah. 

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So my, mine is definitely an 
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And we love it because he does 
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We don't have to look after Lita
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That's it's just super easy. 
And with Milo, so my mum and I 

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are looking after him together. 
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sometimes and he stay with me 
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At the moment he's with my mum. 
So Coco is like in paradise 

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because Milo is not here, 
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each other. 
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They were late. 
They were late to sleep in the 

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same places together, but it 
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them. 
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after like the differences 
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huge. 
Like because with my cat, for 

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example, my cat personally, like
I said, he's he's his own person

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and he wants to do his own 
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I know other pet owners who have
cats that are so, like, clingy, 

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you know, they get into their 
owner's beds and if the owners 

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leave, they get so depressed and
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And it's like, I think they all,
they all have their own 

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personalities. 
That's what I feel. 

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Yeah. 
Nice. 

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It's very interesting. 
It is. 

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Absolutely. 
I'm telling you, I know ADHD 

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effects routine, effects memory,
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What I wanted to ask is in what 
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your ADHD? 
So like emotionally, mentally or

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practically, how has that 
having, you know, having your 

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cat, how has that that help? 
It's actually, well, two things 

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I think 1 is a closeness to an 
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independent. 
I'm a hyper independent person 

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and there's like a shared 
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So my cat's name is Yoshi #1 and
we let my little sister Shannon 

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name her because she's like the 
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that. 
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Shannon is like baby minding 
them all of that and she 

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literally will still pick up 
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She's probably like a ruler and 
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She's a big long hair, brown, 
black and ginger patches, really

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long hair. 
So she's like a big but she's 

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super independent in the way 
that she kind of navigates and 

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goes about her business and most
of the day she'll like from once

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it gets dark she comes inside, 
she's in the house and very 

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rarely will she use the litter 
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Like I've recently moved back 

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home and seeing her relationship
with my dad is really 

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interesting. 
Like she proper will like wait 

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outside his door and won't go 
downstairs, won't even pee, 

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won't eat, won't anything until 
he wakes up because he wakes up 

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super early to go to work and 
she then goes downstairs with 

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when with him if she waits for 
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But then she has these little 
routines where we would like, 

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let her out into the garden 
because there's quite a few cats

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in the area. 
And like, she'll walk along the 

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window ledge. 
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Like, you can see me. 
Hello. 

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Let me in a few times, you know.
And like, there's a part for her

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to eat outside if she wants to 
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business and we're like, where 
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for like hours on end, she going
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And yeah. 
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routines, it's really helped me 
in terms of my ADHD to like, see

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a varying pattern. 
Like, cats are quite fixed in 

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their own patterns, which I 
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to ADHD. 
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necessarily logical to like the 
day they eat when they need 

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their eating, they they sleep 
when they need their sleeping, 

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they take midday naps. 
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cats about like resting when you
need to rest, and they will take

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rest whenever they need it. 
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therapeutic about a cat's purr, 
the sound and they're like if 

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they're near you or on you, 
they, they vibrate when they 

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purr. 
So they're, yeah, they do weird 

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warm like noise that's a 
constant. 

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And it sounds. 
Someone was saying that there's 

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a similarity to like that low 
vibrational sound where like 

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babies hear like heartbeats and 
all of that, that cats do that 

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quite a lot. 
It's a, it's a soothing thing 

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that they do. 
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used to sometimes like do this 
like on a body part, but they're

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like on your lap, but they'll 
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And I learned that's called 
padding. 

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And they actually can sense 
where there's tension in your 

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body. 
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And feel you've relaxed, they 
stop and then they just lean on 

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the area and that like, I can't 
do that so much. 

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But I never knew that that was 
like why they were doing it. 

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But essentially anywhere that 
they're finding comfort, if they

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feel there's like tension or a 
heart block that isn't where 

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they're comfortable to the nest 
on or lay on, they will 

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literally like knead it out 
until they and that includes on 

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your body. 
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beautiful about having an animal
that can sense when you're tense

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and sense when you're not OK or 
sensor you're slightly 

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dysregulated and they really are
quite sensitive animal when 

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you're upset, your cat will be 
at at your. 

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Door, Yeah. 
And you'll hear them scratching 

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or whatever. 
And my cat has no problem like 

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scratching the door all day 
until you open it. 

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Kind of cat. 
Yeah, even now, like my cat is 

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underneath my bed and it ran in 
here because it knows it's just 

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me and her. 
And she usually is 2 stories 

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down. 
But she is not coming out. 

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And I have tried to take her 
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I coaxed her out with some food.
No, she wants to be with me. 

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But that's because she's now in 
mother mode and she's cooking 

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babies. 
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affectionate when she's kind of,
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which is very similar to us when
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menstruation mode. 
We really want to just be there 

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and warm. 
And yeah, so I think it's 

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definitely helped me in terms of
finding a rhythm in a unlogical 

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rhythm and then finding ways to 
kind of right, relax and relieve

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tension and just rest for sure. 
Absolutely. 

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That's amazing. 
One thing about Coco is that he 

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and I learned this because we 
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passed away three years ago and 
when this was like 3 days before

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my auntie passing away he came 
upstairs and normally stays a 

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house is a 2 two floors and he 
went up to our bedrooms. 

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He never does that. 
And he was sat, he slept right 

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next to my bed, right next to 
me. 

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And I was like, what's going on?
Like you're normally not 

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disaffectionate, like, you know,
you just want to be left alone 

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most of the time and then and 
then like 3 days after. 

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So he did his three days 
consecutively. 

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And then when my auntie passed 
away, I realized, Oh my 

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goodness, this is the reason 
why. 

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And then my husband and I, This 
is why because we also like 

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we're from Colombia and in Latin
America, we also have a lot of 

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beliefs about negative energy 
and pets and how they absorb all

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the negative energy when you 
have them at home. 

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And they can also like perceive 
things when they're going to 

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happen, like when there's going 
to be an earthquake or like any 

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tragedy, that's what we believe.
Like the pets are going to 

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protect us from. 
And my husband was like, Oh my 

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goodness, like he knew. 
Like he sensed that. 

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And then like 2 years later, my 
cousin died as well. 

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And he was like, it was really 
weird because like, he came 

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upstairs as well and he was next
to my door. 

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And then now they by this time 
I'm like, oh God, someone's 

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going to die. 
Like it was a warning. 

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Like, you know, prepare 
yourself. 

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This is, you know, something's 
happening and yeah, that that 

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happened. 
So having and then just learning

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all the things and everything 
you just said is, is kind of new

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to me. 
And now it kind of makes sense 

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when I think about all my cat's 
behaviors and my dog's behaviors

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as well. 
Like, OK, so that's whether 

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we're doing this and whether 
we're doing that. 

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Sometimes we don't think about 
the psychology of things or the 

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things behind it. 
You know, we have a pet because 

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we have a need of having that 
extra thing or that extra, you 

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know, having that part of 
humanity extend that that the 

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tenderness to to an animal. 
And I feel as good as well. 

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He teaches my kids 
responsibility too, because now 

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they know that they need to, you
know, feed, walk the dog or they

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need to feed the cat. 
He's he's just, he doesn't 

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really like dried food. 
He absolutely loves wet food. 

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So when you give him dried food,
he just looks at you like, what 

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are you doing? 
And walks away. 

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And then you try to like you 
Coca, this is what you're having

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today. 
You have to have a varied, 

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varied like diet. 
You could just have like similar

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foods all the time. 
He just he's not, he's not 

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having it. 
So yeah, he's super, super, 

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super interested where you 
shared about the connection that

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we can have with our pets 
specifically when we have AD Do 

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you? 
Know what, Anna? 

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So funny that you say that 
because I made the mistake of 

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giving. 
So my dogs called Mooney. 

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She's a little Frenchy Madam, 
proper Madam. 

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I made a mistake on giving her 
actual cooked food. 

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So now she don't, she don't want
to eat dry food, she don't want 

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to eat wet food. 
It has to be a cooked meal. 

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Like I'll literally give her dog
food and she'll look at it and 

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look at me like, are you joking?
But you won't eat it. 

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Now I'm just like, Oh my gosh. 
But it's helped me a lot in 

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terms of having a routine 
because part of the reason why I

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wanted a pet as well was to 
actually have a better routine. 

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So having to wake up and 
actually walk the dog and get 

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myself out and stuff like that. 
Only problem is this dog is 

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lazy. 
Then she sleeps more than I'd 

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sleep, so I'm like, hey, well 
that's defeating that. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, but no, it's good. 

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It's it's really nice. 
And Nike was both saying about 

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having a pet that can sense your
emotions and when you're 

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dysregulated and actually just 
being there to soothe you and 

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comfort you. 
It's it's it's quite nice, 

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actually. 
So yeah. 

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When you say that about like 
unconventional dogs, I remember 

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I was talking to Jules and she 
was talking about a dog. 

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Should we bring her in? 
Yes. 

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I was waiting for the right time
to come in, but I was just like,

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no, this conversation is going 
really, really well. 

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Hi, everyone. 
And I didn't want to kind of 

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like step in or anything. 
I was just kind of just like 

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listening. 
Yeah. 

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So yeah, my dog is basically a 
mixed breed. 

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So she's a Maltese in a 
Yorkshire Terrier, but she's a 

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toy version. 
So she's six years old and she's

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fully grown into her size. 
So she's very, very small. 

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And how she has kind of like 
similar to you, felon. 

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Her name's Daisy and she, I made
the mistake of giving her cooked

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food at 1st and she sometimes 
looks at me like to say when I'm

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eating my dinner, like, am I 
going to get some of that? 

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And I'm like, no, ma'am, you, 
you are not getting some of 

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this. 
But how she's helped me with my 

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ADHD because I when I first got 
out, I was so hyper focused. 

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Hyper focused in a sense that I 
wanted a dog. 

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I got so obsessed that I was 
researching on the best 

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available breed that I know 
would fit the lifestyle I had, 

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where it wasn't too tedious. 
Because I know there's with 

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certain dog breeds that you have
to be mindful that they might 

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need to be walked three or four 
times a day. 

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And I knew that that was just 
not, that's not in my ministry. 

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So I was like a dog that I can 
have in an apartment in a flat. 

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Can take outside if I need to 
but she's very low maintenance 

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and she has been that. 
However, when it comes to 

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certain structures, I think the 
only thing that my dog has 

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allowed me to be really 
structured with is knowing that 

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I have to feed her. 
I can't leave her to starve 

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because then it will be wicked 
and bad. 

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Even though I have AI might have
like a really sad day. 

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I have one of my down days. 
I'm knowing that my dog is 

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staring at me like girl I'm 
hungry when are you going to 

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feed me? 
Or she does this thing when she 

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stamps her paws, she's looking 
at me like, can you see me? 

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Hello. 
Sort of. 

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So in that sense, I'm like, oh, 
yeah, I need to feed the dogs. 

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I have to get out of bed, even 
though I might not feed myself. 

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But I think the one thing that I
know that I routinely do for her

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is making sure she's fed, at 
least giving her a treat, doing 

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some enrichment sort of 
activity, which is quite small. 

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So having stuff where she can 
kind of sniff and you know, pick

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up on stuff. 
But then also knowing with me 

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when I, because I know that The 
Walking thing isn't really, I'm 

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not really good at it because I 
get overwhelmed by the attention

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she gets. 
So walking her becomes a little 

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bit too stressful for me. 
So I, I have a dog Walker, so 

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the dog Walker walks her at 
least two days a week. 

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So that still allows for her to 
kind of just like interact with 

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dogs and also get like her daily
walking in because I know that I

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can't always provide that all 
the time. 

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So, yeah, so outside of even how
she's helped move my ADHD and 

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how I've been able to kind of 
like create routines, I know 

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there's certain routines that I 
can't keep on top of. 

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So I've made sure that I still 
have some things for her in 

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place when I know that I can't 
do the necessary thing as a as a

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dog owner. 
So I'm not neglecting her in any

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way. 
And I think sometimes when 

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people see like when people, I 
can't speak for everyone else, 

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but when people think about ADHD
people, they're that's like, Oh,

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well, how can you maintain kind 
of looking after a pet? 

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Yeah, it's not hard. 
It's it's not easy. 

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But at the same time, I think 
you as an owner, I know that 

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she's basically my baby. 
So I can't, you know, not I 

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can't neglect her even like if 
my family has a running joke 

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where my sister's like, I'm 
surprised, I'm surprised she's 

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still alive and you still have 
her. 

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I'm like, wait a minute. 
But I know why because she says 

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because I get bored of things 
very easily. 

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You know, like the simple thing 
of like, you have a focus on 

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something and you're like, it's 
fulfilled the dopamine here, so 

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I want to move on to the next 
thing. 

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Yeah. 
But this one is different 

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because I can't be like, yeah. 
So it's been fun, Daisy. 

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See. 
You later. 

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Our work is done. 
Thank you for your services. 

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I can't do, you know what I 
mean? 

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I can't bring myself to doing 
that. 

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So you know, I'm a keeper, 
keeper for the rest of my life. 

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You know, she has to get rid of 
me before I get rid of her. 

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So. 
So yeah. 

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Which is good. 
I mean, that's probably my issue

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where I now I'm not. 
So I had the same thing. 

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I was so happy. 
Focus on getting a dog. 

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I need a dog. 
I need a dog, I need a dog. 

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I did the opposite. 
I did no research because I'm 

449
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,560
very impulsive. 
One of my friends, you know, had

450
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,040
the later so they had, they had 
the Akita and she was like, 

451
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,880
yeah, are we looking for homes, 
blah, blah, blah. 

452
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,240
And I was like, yay, I'm here. 
And then I looked at pictures 

453
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,960
and before it doesn't look that 
big. 

454
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,960
It was really bad because I 
looked at the mom and the mom 

455
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,160
was huge and I was like, yeah, I
don't think it's gonna grow that

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,600
big. 
Like in my head, like he's not 

457
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,440
gonna grow that much. 
And like, you know, he was like 

458
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040
7 or 8 months and he was already
huge. 

459
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,200
And then obviously the training 
because it just takes a lot to 

460
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,120
train an Akita and they're just 
so happy all of the time and 

461
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,360
they want to play and they want 
to go outside and it's so 

462
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,160
energetic. 
So we were walking this guy for 

463
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,520
like 3-4 times a day and I was 
like, what did I do? 

464
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,080
This is insane. 
And my husband was like, I'm 

465
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,240
not, it was your choice. 
So I'm not involved in any of 

466
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
this. 
Like you looking after your dog.

467
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,000
Your dog, you walk it, you feed 
it, you take it to the vets, you

468
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,440
train it, you do this, you do 
that. 

469
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,560
And it just became so 
overwhelming for me in the end. 

470
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,160
Yeah, that's why my mom looks 
after him half the time and I 

471
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,960
look after him the other time 
because it's just not. 

472
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,840
I really, I don't, but I 
couldn't bear not to have him 

473
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,600
either because I do love him. 
I like, I love him like in short

474
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,720
periods of time, like twice a 
day, twice two days a week. 

475
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,800
And then you go to my mom's 
uncle. 

476
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,760
Bless him. 
Yeah, no, totally get that with 

477
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,120
this one. 
Every time she will come, she 

478
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,440
just wants attention. 
She has to like get some sort of

479
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840
attention. 
So yeah, disturbing me, jumping 

480
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,160
on the door, jumping on the 
door, something like, you know, 

481
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,720
I'm just going to hold her 
because she's going to keep 

482
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840
distracting me. 
But she's so. 

483
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,200
Thank you. 
She's a Frenchie, you said. 

484
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,480
She's a Frenchie, yeah. 
It's like that when when you're 

485
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,480
talking about that training and 
like them being little something

486
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,680
that I, I used to really be a 
customer dad because he didn't 

487
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560
spade our cat. 
But now that she has kittens, 

488
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,400
the novelty of also having like 
not knowing how many you're 

489
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,480
going to get every time you get 
them. 

490
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,960
She tends to have two partners 
in the area. 

491
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,560
So we know they're going to look
as one of freeways, but like 

492
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,680
seeing the combinations of them.
They're tiny when cats, are 

493
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,960
they? 
And they look a little bit like 

494
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,040
rats, if I'm being understood. 
Yeah, they do. 

495
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Look, yeah, they look awful when
they're. 

496
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,360
Born but then like also some of 
them are like the way they form 

497
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,440
is very different. 
So you might get some that like 

498
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,360
they're not walking for ages and
then some that's ready to like 

499
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,440
fight and they're ready to play 
fight each other. 

500
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,840
And you know, you see your cat 
go from what was your just 

501
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,040
playmate to then having to now 
lay down and breastfeed. 

502
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,280
And that's also like such a 
different version of your 

503
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560
animal. 
And then when the you literally 

504
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,200
see something go from only 
laying there and sleeping to 

505
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,360
now, like toddling around, then 
you've got to train it how to 

506
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,800
use the litter. 
And they can't quite like, use 

507
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,200
the litter and bury because 
they, their pools are just too 

508
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,280
tiny. 
But then they start getting more

509
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,240
comfortable around humans. 
I'm like, my dad's a big 

510
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,000
believer in like, letting them 
explore and find their way. 

511
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,560
So he'll like, let them climb up
things and go around stuff. 

512
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,120
He won't let them out out. 
But like in our garden at least,

513
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,960
Yeah, but then I have to find 
homes for them. 

514
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,080
And even that for me as someone 
with ADHD, like I'm then doing 

515
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,280
like call outs and organizing 
homes and risk assessing. 

516
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280
Like are these people who just 
wanted their cat because it's 

517
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000
woofie thing or are they going 
to keep these things alive and 

518
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480
actually look after this? 
So there's like this risk 

519
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,400
assessor me that comes out that 
is super protective of this 

520
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,280
animal. 
And it's kind of heartbreaking 

521
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,800
having to like let them go. 
But it feeds that like novelty 

522
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,840
in me of like OK, every 9 or so 
weeks, not every but like 

523
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,400
roughly when she's pregnant for 
that long, I know I'm going to 

524
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720
have to look for new people and 
organise homes. 

525
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,920
And it's quite nice to then see 
people send me pictures 

526
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,440
afterwards of like the cat 
growing up. 

527
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,480
And it is quite a lovely thing 
that has bonded now like a good 

528
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,800
maybe 30 people now that she's 
given babies. 

529
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,680
And they all look very 
different. 

530
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,160
But technically they're all 
siblings. 

531
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,920
And that's like several friend 
groups and families that have 

532
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,640
cats that have come from one 
home that are now linked to each

533
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,720
other. 
So it's, yeah, it's, it's a 

534
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,760
really, it feels like a lovely 
gift to give in like a way that 

535
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,280
feels like you're gifting some 
companionship and a bit of 

536
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,480
nurture for other people. 
So that is a really lovely like 

537
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,800
little thing that grows and you 
give it, which is nice. 

538
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,400
That's. 
That's absolutely amazing. 

539
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,880
No, that's so lovely because 
sometimes I think about when 

540
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,600
Mooney is going to have her 
pups, but then I don't know, 

541
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,040
because I feel like with cats, 
obviously they go out, they do 

542
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,320
their thing, they choose their 
mate. 

543
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Whereas with dogs it's more kind
of you need to find somebody 

544
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,960
that a well, so I say somebody 
you need to find like a dog and 

545
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,440
whatever that's suitable. 
And it's a lot more on you to 

546
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720
kind of make that happen in a 
way. 

547
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,600
So I'm just like, I need, like I
need to find her suitable man, 

548
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,160
you know, can't just be a man. 
It's just my baby. 

549
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,760
You're gonna do proper matching 
matching. 

550
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,360
Yes, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

551
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,560
So, so that means you want you 
want your your baby dog to have 

552
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,320
to have litter, litter to have. 
Kids pops. 

553
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Is it pops puppies? 
Puppies. 

554
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,240
Puppies. 
Yes, puppies. 

555
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,240
That's the right word. 
Yes. 

556
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,960
Sorry. 
Sorry. 

557
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,080
Little kittens. 
What is it? 

558
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,440
Yeah. 
So puppies. 

559
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,520
So you, you wanna be a mummy? 
Yeah, but I'm just Papa. 

560
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,840
She's a baby. 
Like can she have babies? 

561
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Yeah, you don't. 
Get that instincts in your your 

562
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120
baby is gonna have a baby. 
And no babies. 

563
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Yeah, exactly. 
Because you don't, you don't 

564
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,720
really know what money you're 
going to get. 

565
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Yeah, that's that's difficult. 
I feel like there's another 

566
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,840
decision for people that have 
pets specifically as old people 

567
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,080
with ADHD. 
Do we want our pets to have, you

568
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680
know, children or? 
Yeah. 

569
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Their own, Yeah, Because you 
know that you're not going to be

570
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,720
able to look after them. 
You're going to have to give 

571
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,880
them away. 
Yeah. 

572
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,040
And then I'm thinking about, Oh 
my gosh, all them puppies, like 

573
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,920
when they are born, managing all
that. 

574
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Yeah, because the first three 
months, you as the dog owner has

575
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560
to look after them for the first
three months. 

576
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,200
So you can't even kind of like, 
sell them or anything. 

577
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Yeah, my mum keeps trying to 
say, yeah, get that, get Daisy 

578
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920
to have puppies. 
I said, who's looking after 

579
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,920
these puppies lying. 
And especially in my flat, like 

580
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,240
I've like, what are we doing 
here? 

581
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080
I've said to Daisy, to be honest
with you, I don't think she has 

582
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,840
a maternal bone in her body. 
Yeah. 

583
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200
I think she'll be looking at me 
wandering around when she was 

584
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,520
pregnant, like, what is this? 
Who asked? 

585
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Which I'm OK with. 
I'm like, cool, I guess we're on

586
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,080
the same page. 
But it is I, I did think about 

587
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,760
the whole kind of like, yeah, 
having pups and stuff. 

588
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,440
And you kind of realise the work
that you have to do then to make

589
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,560
sure with dogs, I don't know 
what it's like with cats, but 

590
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,760
with dogs that you have to make 
sure they're vaccinated, you 

591
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520
know, they're microtripped. 
Again, similar. 

592
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,640
You want to make sure that you 
are sort of kind of giving them 

593
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,000
to the right people and they go 
into good homes and people's 

594
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,160
intentions are, you know, pure 
and they're not going out there.

595
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Again, similar to kind of like, 
yeah, finding a dog that you can

596
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,960
kind of breed your dog with as 
well. 

597
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Because there's also kind of 
like the dangers behind certain 

598
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440
breeds breeding with another 
breed, a breed of dogs. 

599
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,000
So you want to be mindful of 
that and everything. 

600
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760
And I just said, I just felt 
like with my ADHD, I've got a 

601
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520
Rolodex of stuff to deal with 
already to then have to 

602
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
potentially not knowing how 
many, again, how many puppies 

603
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,120
your dog will have to then 
manage that to then make sure 

604
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,280
you're labeling them with 
whatever. 

605
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000
And then, you know, some sort of
like small training that you 

606
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,480
can, I can barely wake up, feed 
your mother to then feed 7 of 

607
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,720
you. 
Guys, I don't know, you know, 

608
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,080
And even for cats it's the same.
And that's actually how we ended

609
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
up with a second cat. 
The first time it happened, we 

610
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,160
were not prepared for kittens 
and like we weren't aware of how

611
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,360
long we had to look after them. 
And actually they got too big 

612
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,920
for the point you'd really 
normally give them away. 

613
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,280
And like the bigger they get, 
they pass this novelty stage of 

614
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,880
like a kitten for people. 
We actually have a cat that is 

615
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,400
called Kitty because it didn't 
have a name like for so long. 

616
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,000
And we don't obviously want to 
name other people's what is 

617
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,400
going to be other people's cats.
So we were like figuring it out 

618
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,440
as we went up to now I'm still 
not 100% sure on how to like 

619
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,880
gender and sex them. 
Like it wasn't it's a boy. 

620
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,480
But sometimes I've got that 
wrong. 

621
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,760
So when people like, is it a 
boy? 

622
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,800
I'm like, I don't know. 
Figure out that yourself. 

623
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,640
You do that and you know, even 
with the choice of like the the 

624
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,840
jabs and some people microchip 
their cats as well. 

625
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
That was a choice. 
Do we want to do that? 

626
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Do they because some people some
people choose not to. 

627
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,760
So and it's really because cats 
are a little bit well, bar when 

628
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
they were when I was really 
young, I had a different cat and

629
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
it was like an all white like 
albino cat. 

630
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Someone kidnapped my cat and 
posted alcohol through my 

631
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,760
letterbox. 
Wild. 

632
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Wild. 
The audacity. 

633
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
So they knew it was our cat. 
We, I used to live in like a 

634
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,160
block of flats and we were the 
garden house. 

635
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,200
So people saw the cat, I 
imagine, like in the flats 

636
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,800
above, they wanted an animal and
when we let it out out, it was 

637
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,320
like the chance to take her. 
You're not getting her back. 

638
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,480
You're not getting her back, but
aside from. 

639
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600
That. 
I very rarely would see people 

640
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440
like try and take a cat because 
the cats are quite territorial. 

641
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,360
They'll come back to where 
they've gone from. 

642
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,880
They're not unless someone like 
picks them up and takes them. 

643
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,160
But like kittens, generally 
speaking, they, they, they reach

644
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,360
a, a point that they're not 
wanted anymore by others. 

645
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,320
And that's the hard point 
because you're like raising them

646
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,160
somewhat and then almost 
forcibly you'd need them to go 

647
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360
unless you're ready to or have 
capacity to keep them 

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000
yourselves. 
And actually keep what we call 

649
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,160
Kitty actually kind of is a bit 
feral in comparison to the way 

650
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,800
Yoshi is because it grew up a 
bit uncertain of is it hair? 

651
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,400
Is it not hair? 
And it will come in, but it will

652
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,160
do it really tentatively. 
So like, you open the door, it 

653
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,160
will like creep in. 
But if you go to like touch the 

654
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,680
plate where the food is, it will
run back out. 

655
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,120
So it's like very scared and 
quite anxious because it's had 

656
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160
this like feeling of detachment 
and even for the mum. 

657
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,680
To be here or not? 
Yeah, and and cats and cats know

658
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,880
when you're like around it in a 
way that's kind of affectionate 

659
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
or not. 
And even the mum cats, sometimes

660
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,320
it kind of like if there's one 
plate, it will hiss at that cat 

661
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,160
and be like, go do your own 
thing because it kind mum cats 

662
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
kind of also detach from their 
litter once they get to a 

663
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,280
certain and they're no longer 
their baby. 

664
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,760
They kind of just another cat. 
And it's, it's very strange. 

665
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,440
We we in our heads obviously 
know it's her child, but I don't

666
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,600
think she holds that 
relationship anymore. 

667
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440
It's really strange to kind of 
navigate for them. 

668
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,600
You know, we still them and 
raise them as both our cats. 

669
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,400
But that cat is definitely it 
will not stay in the house. 

670
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
It will not sleep inside ever. 
It just doesn't want to. 

671
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,280
Well, that's. 
Like outside in the little, we 

672
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,400
have a shed outside and there's 
like a part where it can kind of

673
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,320
make sure it stays dry and warm 
outside. 

674
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,360
OK, so now let's talk honestly 
about the challenges. 

675
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,840
So what parts of pet ownership 
do you find hardest with ADHD? 

676
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,159
So this could be routines 
through overload, any guilt, any

677
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,840
executive dysfunction, And I've 
kind of touched on a few, but is

678
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,199
there anything else that comes 
up for you at all, Nick? 

679
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:56,600
I think the hardest part is 
those routines like keeping more

680
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,640
stable routine. 
Cats don't follow any kind of 

681
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,720
logic I've realized over the 
years. 

682
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,480
They do what they want, when 
they want and I think we would 

683
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,200
love them to be more 
standardised in their routine 

684
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,880
because especially, you know, we
work so our schedules are quite 

685
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680
rigid depending on how we work. 
I luckily have a job that allows

686
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,160
me to kind of work from home as 
well. 

687
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,760
So that allows a little bit more
flexibility. 

688
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000
But we would put the food there 
at specific times. 

689
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,000
The cat won't eat it at those 
times necessary. 

690
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,120
So it's kind of monitoring and 
almost remembering like when did

691
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,120
I put it down? 
And sometimes you come back and 

692
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400
the plate's still full and then 
you're like, wait, did I forget?

693
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,760
So kind of you're keeping your 
own logs and schedules of what 

694
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,840
you're doing because you can 
also overfeed the cat and the 

695
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,760
cat will not stop. 
It will just eat more and more. 

696
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,160
And my cat also eats human food.
So it kind of eats like a dog 

697
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,280
sometimes my dad gives it bone 
ends, He eats that cartilage 

698
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,960
bit. 
It's a, it's a cat cat. 

699
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,000
It's a Caribbean cat, I think. 
And yeah, she is an 

700
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,720
unconventional cat and she will 
fully stick to her own timings. 

701
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,080
And I think that's quite 
difficult to kind of embed 

702
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,960
routines for her. 
I've never had to really like 

703
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
fully submerge her in water, 
bathe her. 

704
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,840
But there were times when she 
was super, super young doing 

705
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,440
something to an animal when you 
know they don't like it. 

706
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,400
It feels horrible. 
And like I'm super sensitive to 

707
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,480
like feelings and super 
empathic. 

708
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,840
And having an animal under 
stress when you're doing 

709
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,080
something to them, oh, it's like
the worst feeling ever. 

710
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,440
So having to like bathe a cat 
and do that, part of it is it 

711
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,720
just feels like you're like 
torturing them. 

712
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Even though my cats not like 
anti water. 

713
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,600
She'll be in the rain, but try 
and put her in a tub or in a 

714
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,880
absolutely not. 
She will Yelp. 

715
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,720
And that is not like a meow. 
It's like this horrible. 

716
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:47,320
It's like, you know, in the 
middle of the night sometimes 

717
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,720
you hear cats and that's when 
they're doing their business. 

718
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,840
I'm kind of rat. 
Oh, it's horrible. 

719
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,680
That is. 
Yeah. 

720
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,360
No, I don't wish that on my 
enemy. 

721
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Actually not, yeah. 
I relate to everything you just 

722
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,240
said because my cat is exactly 
the same. 

723
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,920
He he's, he's definitely a 
global majority cat. 

724
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Yeah, he is also a human food. 
And he that's what he he's 

725
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,800
obsessed. 
He's obsessed with it. 

726
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440
So if you don't give it to him, 
he'll try and steal it. 

727
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,800
So we can't leave any food out. 
Yeah. 

728
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,760
We can't leave any food out on 
the counters or anything. 

729
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,720
Everything has to be put away. 
What he's doing now is that he's

730
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,240
trying to get into the beans 
outside, like outside beans, 

731
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,080
whatever. 
Yeah. 

732
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,080
And we're like, no, no, no, no, 
that's not, that's not. 

733
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,800
So we having to put, we have to 
put rocks on top of the beans 

734
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,400
now. 
It just makes a big mess because

735
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,120
there's no actual food you can 
eat. 

736
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,840
It's waste because we recycle 
our our waste. 

737
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,040
So that's what he's trying to 
like grab all this and he's made

738
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,240
a massive mess. 
The other day I wanted to kill 

739
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,040
him. 
I was like, Oh my God, this is 

740
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,400
so disgusting. 
He's like in my front, in the 

741
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,120
front of my house. 
There's all this rubbish 

742
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,320
scattered everywhere. 
And we knew it was him because 

743
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,600
we, we've got a camera at the 
front. 

744
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,400
So we went back and we thought, 
oh, maybe it could be, it could 

745
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,000
be the foxes. 
My husband's like, I'm quite 

746
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,840
sure it was Coco. 
And then we went back and looked

747
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,800
at the film. 
Yet there he was. 

748
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040
God going for the beans and 
everything and there's no, 

749
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,240
there's nothing that he can eat,
but he's obsessed with like 

750
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,520
food. 
And when we give him the dry 

751
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,520
food or whatever, he's like, no,
I don't want it. 

752
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,880
So that's, that's a massive 
challenge. 

753
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Also, he's, you know, they're 
supposed to clean themselves. 

754
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,680
That's why we think that he's 
just a rug. 

755
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:32,760
He's just a gangster because 
when he comes home, it's just 

756
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,080
looks, his face looks all day 
and you're like, oh man, you 

757
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,800
need, why are you not cleaning 
yourself, man? 

758
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
What's going on? 
You know, like, are you 

759
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,160
depressed? 
What's what's going on? 

760
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,440
We're looking after you 
properly. 

761
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,600
Also have to kind of like close 
all the windows and we need to 

762
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,880
take him to the vet. 
And I think he knows. 

763
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Oh my God, when this cat, when 
he sees no windows are open, no 

764
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,080
doors are open, he's like, damn,
I'm gonna get jabbed. 

765
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,760
He hides, he hides inside the 
house. 

766
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,080
He's like, oh, my goodness. 
And then we try to look up. 

767
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,360
We can look for him everywhere. 
And then we grab him and he's 

768
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,840
like a, it's a fight. 
It's like a, it's so it's 

769
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,840
horrible. 
And then put him into his, his 

770
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,440
box so we can take him to the 
vet. 

771
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,600
We've met, we've missed a lot of
vet appointments because of it. 

772
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,760
So that's another part of of the
challenges that, you know, when 

773
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,680
I talk to my vet, I need to tell
her like, you know, be booking 

774
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,240
this appointment. 
Please don't charge me if we 

775
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,200
don't, if we have to cancel last
minute because he might not be 

776
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,280
here. 
She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we

777
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,240
understand. 
But yeah, he gets regularly 

778
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,440
checked like every six months 
and and he has his warming's as 

779
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,840
well. 
Like he has all his tablets and 

780
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,640
stuff. 
We don't want to have any sort 

781
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,960
of animals or nothing like that 
in the house. 

782
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,320
And because he, he goes out. 
So that's why we look after him 

783
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,720
a bit more than I think anybody 
would a normal indoor cat. 

784
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,280
Yeah. 
And we, we do try to clean him 

785
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,320
against his will, unfortunately.
So it's that we've got my 

786
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,960
husband and I and my children 
all trying to grab him. 

787
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,440
Then we just clean him really 
quickly. 

788
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,560
This is happens like in, in 
seconds. 

789
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,640
But yeah, we, we do it 
ourselves. 

790
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,360
It's, I don't know why, you 
know, I don't know why we do it,

791
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,360
but. 
It's part of average. 

792
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000
It's just we, we want him to 
look nice. 

793
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Yeah, no, that's, that's 
interesting. 

794
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,360
I think for me, you know how 
you're saying the cow about you 

795
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,760
might put the food out, but you 
know, your cat might not, might 

796
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,280
not necessarily eat at the same 
time. 

797
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,720
Sometimes I wish my dog would be
like, the minute I put that food

798
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,960
out, that food is gone. 
But it's like because of that, I

799
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,520
think because sometimes I forget
to eat, so I forget to feed 

800
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,160
myself, but I'll make sure she's
fed. 

801
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,280
But then sometimes I'm like, OK,
hold on. 

802
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,480
I just realized what the time 
is. 

803
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,920
I haven't eaten, but have I fed 
her? 

804
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,280
I'm sure I've fed her. 
I know I've fed her. 

805
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,440
Then sometimes I'm not, I'm not 
feeding her too much or not 

806
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,800
enough. 
It's like I'm trying to get into

807
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,040
a proper routine. 
But sometimes the way my brain 

808
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,560
is and I'll be forgetting, I'm 
just like, did I? 

809
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Didn't I? 
And then I'm in this little 

810
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,640
spiral. 
So that can be quite challenging

811
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,040
for me as well sometimes. 
But I just think it's so 

812
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,800
interesting the difference with 
with cats and dogs, because I 

813
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,680
remember there was a time when 
my sister came home with a cat, 

814
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,120
like a little kitten and she 
didn't do any research. 

815
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,400
She didn't really know much 
about it. 

816
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,120
She just wanted a cat. 
I don't even, I think we left 

817
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
one of the windows open. 
So basically the kitten got out,

818
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,400
it was quite small, got out and 
it was gone for like I think a 

819
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160
day or two. 
But then it came back. 

820
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
But in those two days, my sister
was panicking. 

821
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,160
My mum didn't want the cat, but 
my mum was at the front door 

822
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,400
looking for this cat. 
Like standing there looking for 

823
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,720
me. 
I was like mum literally. 

824
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,480
And then it was raining 
everything and eventually it 

825
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440
came back and I was like, wow, 
it's so young. 

826
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,800
And it really knew where it was 
coming back to already. 

827
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,360
It was, I mean, I mean it came 
back with fleas, but it came 

828
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,720
back and that's, I just find it 
so fascinating that they really 

829
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,520
know like where they're coming 
from and where they're going 

830
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,840
back to. 
No, it's interesting. 

831
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,760
Because when when a dog gets 
lost, if he's not chipped or has

832
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360
a GPS or whatever, that dog 
ain't coming back. 

833
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,840
Yeah, actually there is in 
saying that there is kind of 

834
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,680
like some people have come back 
with stories of like dogs are 

835
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,560
able to kind of like if you take
them on a walk in routine, 

836
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,440
they're able to remember. 
So if it is that they get lost 

837
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,520
on a walk, sometimes it's not 
for every dog breed, but 

838
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,840
sometimes dogs are able to kind 
of like make their way back home

839
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
or to the vicinity. 
But obviously I would advise 

840
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,800
people obviously get their dogs 
chipped. 

841
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,320
But when I would take take Daisy
for a walk because some dogs are

842
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
not And these this I guess this 
is the initial part of like the 

843
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,640
training of a dog is kind of 
training your dog to do to be 

844
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,040
able to recall. 
So even if you put them on on a 

845
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,360
offer Leafs and you're in the 
park for them to be able to, 

846
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,320
once you call their name, they 
can come back. 

847
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,200
So a lot of dogs aren't able to 
do that again. 

848
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,680
It takes training with with 
Daisy. 

849
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,400
She's kind of good at good at it
where I'll call her back and 

850
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,360
she'll come back or even kind of
like after a while she might 

851
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,760
have run off and she'll look 
back to say, oh, you're not 

852
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,280
there. 
Then she'll run back to come and

853
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,120
find me. 
Well, I think that's also 

854
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,000
because like, she's like, 
where's my owner? 

855
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Where's my owner? 
Where's she at? 

856
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,680
I mean, there's also a fear of 
like, I can't lose her because 

857
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,280
if I lose her, then boy, I don't
know. 

858
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,960
But yeah, even kind of like, I 
think of like another challenge,

859
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,120
because you guys had me thinking
is around the foods with Daisy. 

860
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,160
I wish she was able to kind of 
like eat her food. 

861
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,400
She's very a picky eater. 
So I would get her the food at 

862
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,920
first. 
She'd be really excited to eat 

863
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480
kind of like the food. 
And again, I feel like, also, 

864
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,200
have I passed my ADHD and 
anxiety onto this dog? 

865
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Because what is this all of a 
sudden? 

866
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,960
She's then bored and she doesn't
want to eat a meal meal and she 

867
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,600
won't touch the meal. 
So the meal's there and she 

868
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,000
won't touch it, but she'll eat 
her treat Anytime I'm giving her

869
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,600
a treat, she's yamming off the 
treat. 

870
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,280
But the food, she's like, Nah, 
I'm not feeling that today. 

871
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,280
And then even like there'll be 
times where I like, I'll get my 

872
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,880
sister or my mum to look after 
her and they're like, oh, she 

873
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,280
hasn't eaten. 
I'm just like, she's been a 

874
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,880
diva. 
She's fine. 

875
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,560
And I also think she's probably 
stored some food in her when 

876
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,520
she's like, yeah, because, yeah.
But I I, I think the, the 

877
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,080
grateful thing that I, I have 
with Daisy is that she isn't one

878
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,600
of those dogs. 
Because I hear about dogs that 

879
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,560
will just Yum off anything on 
the road. 

880
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Daisy's not that kind of dog. 
She's like, Nah, she's sniffing.

881
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,640
But she'll be like, Nah, that's 
not a bit of me. 

882
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,760
I'm smart. 
Yeah. 

883
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,640
I ain't even that. 
Yeah, it's not a bit of me. 

884
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,040
And also I think also as well 
the vet sort of kind of stuff 

885
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,560
can be quite challenging as 
well. 

886
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,760
Yeah, something I struggle with,
which I've had to put reminders 

887
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,360
as well, is like doing her flu 
treatment every three months and

888
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,480
then doing her worming, 
deworming every three months as 

889
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,200
well. 
And you can't do them at the 

890
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,040
same time, but you have to like,
so for example, if you do a flu 

891
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,960
treatment, you have to wait a 
month before you do the 

892
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,720
deworming stuff. 
So it's also kind of like having

893
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:06,280
those reminders because I'm 
like, I don't want to like, what

894
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,640
if I accidentally, I don't want 
to kill my dog? 

895
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,800
You know, this is, I think this 
is one of the most serious 

896
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,760
responsible parts of my life 
where I'm like, I do not want to

897
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,560
be held responsible for killing 
a pet. 

898
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,200
Not because like, I, I'm just 
out here just wanting to kill 

899
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
her. 
No, obviously because I love her

900
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,560
dearly. 
But I'm very much aware, you 

901
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,400
know, when you're just like, you
kind of put your own needs on 

902
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,560
the back burn. 
Yeah. 

903
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,960
Because you feel like you have a
responsibility to make sure that

904
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
you look after the dog, make 
sure that, you know, you kind of

905
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,280
like pick up on pick up on 
certain things. 

906
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,640
But I definitely feel like, 
yeah, the challenge is sometimes

907
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,120
it's just making sure that the 
necessary things. 

908
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,560
So like I've even kind of said 
to the vets, like I've put the 

909
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,760
opt in of like when she's due, 
like her yearly jabs, I want to 

910
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,000
get the emails because I'm, I'm 
not going to lie to you, I will 

911
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,720
forget. 
Yeah. 

912
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600
And those are important because 
after a year you have to have 

913
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,400
certain jabs every single year. 
So you don't want to miss that. 

914
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,360
And then there's a window. 
They say I ideally at least a 

915
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,120
month before or maybe a month 
after is kind of like a month or

916
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,840
two after you have a bit of to 
make sure you have the 

917
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,840
vaccinations done. 
But having kind of like text 

918
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,960
reminders, e-mail reminders as 
well of those sort of things 

919
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,840
have been really, really 
helpful. 

920
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,720
I'm sure we're going to answer 
that question, but that was, 

921
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,120
that was definitely a challenge.
And also people, people 

922
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,600
sometimes are like, what? 
What? 

923
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,240
Sorry, I'm good. 
I'm trying not to go on a 

924
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,920
tangent. 
What blows my mind is when 

925
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,960
people get dogs and they're 
like, I don't want to pick up 

926
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,520
the shit. 
What did you think you were 

927
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,840
going to do with a dog? 
I'm sorry. 

928
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,760
I'm mind blowing when people are
like, yeah, I really love my 

929
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,320
dog, but I just can't pick up 
the shit. 

930
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,720
What? 
Yes, my girl, you better just 

931
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,280
pick up that pee bag, wrap it 
up. 

932
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,160
And. 
Dash it because it's true. 

933
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,800
It's. 
Just it's mind blowing to me, 

934
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,080
like when people are like, I 
don't want to, I can't, don't 

935
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,760
want to touch my dog butt, 
honey. 

936
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,640
But like for me, that wasn't an 
issue. 

937
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,080
I was fine with that. 
But but also I used to get 

938
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,720
frustrated. 
We've seen loads of people just 

939
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,720
leaving their dogs like waste 
just everywhere and not picking 

940
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,760
it up. 
I get really frustrated by that 

941
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,640
because like, you know, the 
least you can do when you have a

942
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
dog and you're taking the dog 
out for a walk is clean up after

943
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,480
the dog, you know? 
But yeah, that was that, that 

944
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,920
was, that's the one thing that 
I, I found challenging, hearing 

945
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,360
other people that have pets that
say, no, yeah, I don't want to 

946
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,200
really pick up the poo. 
I'm like wow. 

947
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,520
Straight in for me because the 
amount of times I've stepped in 

948
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,040
dog poop because of that, I'm 
like you had to just picked up 

949
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
your dog poo then I wouldn't be 
in this situation because I've 

950
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,480
got to clean the trainers. 
That's another stress for me, 

951
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,440
but even I don't. 
Get embarrassed because I don't 

952
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,720
know who's watching me. 
So I'm like the moment, you 

953
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,560
know, when you walk away, you 
don't want to be getting no tap 

954
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,880
on your shoulder. 
I I just see what you just did. 

955
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,600
That's even more embarrassing 
for me, but I always pick up. 

956
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,560
The poo you even with cats, 
they're the set. 

957
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,800
Like of course the size of a dog
poo versus a cat poo is a lot 

958
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,000
bigger, right? 
But well, depends on the size of

959
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
the dog though. 
Yes, except for the like little 

960
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,480
handbag bugs. 
But like the cats for me I find 

961
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,120
that part really hard to like 
poo part because I'm really 

962
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
sensitive in my smell. 
Yeah. 

963
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,720
So like I am literally like 
holding my breath through like 

964
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,440
emptying litters and very rarely
because she's a big catch, does 

965
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,400
she use the litter. 
But I only have the kittens. 

966
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,280
Like I cannot do that part. 
It's the sensory overload of 

967
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,280
like them. 
And then they don't know how to 

968
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,680
actually cover the poo. 
So it's like just you see it and

969
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,680
everywhere they have it on their
paws and then you have to like 

970
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680
nicely clean the little kittens 
and they just don't know any 

971
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,920
better. 
So like I remember the first 

972
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,520
time I had to deal with a kitten
that like pooed and didn't do it

973
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,200
in the right place. 
Like I just did it somewhere 

974
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,560
random. 
Like I literally took pick that 

975
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,120
kitten up and took it to the poo
and said we don't do this again 

976
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,720
because I the poop in that like 
obviously like clean it, not 

977
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,960
with the little grit around it. 
I don't want to deal with that. 

978
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,120
And it is my senses go on a 
trillion when it comes to the 

979
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,200
poo and the smells. 
Yeah. 

980
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,280
I struggle with that to this 
day. 

981
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,920
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, It reminded me when 

982
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,440
I had my my children, I had my 
first daughter. 

983
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,520
I wore masks, I wore gloves and 
apron just to change her nappy. 

984
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,840
And people used to, and I was 
not diagnosed back then. 

985
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,280
So people used to find it like, 
like, what are you doing? 

986
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,040
It's your baby. 
This is my baby, by the way. 

987
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,760
And I was like, yeah, it's 
disgusting. 

988
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Like I cannot deal with the 
smell. 

989
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,800
I cannot. 
It's just nasty. 

990
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,720
This is the worst thing ever. 
And they were like, So what? 

991
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,600
Like your poo? 
What about how do you, is this 

992
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,720
my poo? 
Like what? 

993
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,800
What? 
Yeah, but it's your baby. 

994
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,320
And then obviously years after, 
when I was diagnosed, I was 

995
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,520
like, ah, and I did it with all 
of my kids, three of them, my 

996
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,720
family, when we, when we have 
family gatherings and they talk 

997
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,640
about motherhood, I'm the 
example. 

998
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Oh my God, Guys, remember when 
Anna used to wear all these 

999
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,680
stuff just to clean her baby? 
So yeah, I did the same thing 

1000
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,720
with Milo. 
Yes. 

1001
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:09,240
With Milo, when I go out, I have
gloves, I have masks. 

1002
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,680
I put mask on. 
He's a huge dog. 

1003
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,400
He's a. 
Yeah, so you can imagine how 

1004
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,280
huge I basically have to use 
both hands to like. 

1005
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Oh. 
My gosh. 

1006
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,840
I'm a husband. 
He's like, I told you, you 

1007
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,440
wanted a dog, Here you go. 
That's why because he was like, 

1008
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,920
he grew up with dogs he had. 
He's had every breed under the 

1009
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,360
sun. 
When he grew up, his dad used to

1010
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,720
rescue dogs. 
So yeah. 

1011
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,720
So he, he basically he was like 
when when when we were both 

1012
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,800
married, he was like, I want to 
have children. 

1013
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,680
I do not want to have pets. 
And I was like, I want to have 

1014
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,840
children, but I also want to 
have pets. 

1015
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,120
So it was like a contradiction. 
And for years he didn't want to 

1016
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,720
let me have a have a pet because
he was like, I've had enough. 

1017
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,200
You know, that was my 
upbringing. 

1018
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,360
I was, I was bringing up pets 
the whole of my life. 

1019
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,880
I don't want to do that again. 
And he kept telling me like the 

1020
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,160
hardest and the most. 
And he's also autistic. 

1021
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,880
He found that the the most 
difficult bit was picking up the

1022
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,480
poo. 
But I just bought us just, it's 

1023
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,880
not us, right, man? 
It's not a big deal, blah, blah,

1024
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,880
blah. 
And that is definitely a 

1025
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,200
challenge. 
So I would imagine that anybody 

1026
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,960
else that has ADHD or is on the 
spectrum or has a new diversity 

1027
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,400
or whatever has that, that that 
sensory overload would go 

1028
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
through the same, the same, the 
same, absolutely. 

1029
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,200
No. 
Interesting. 

1030
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,960
And had me thinking about my dog
walks as well, Jules, when you 

1031
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,880
were saying that some dogs do 
kind of remember, like their 

1032
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,640
their homes and stuff. 
And I think Mooney is quite like

1033
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,760
that. 
Like, yeah, like when we like, 

1034
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,880
for example, when we get back 
near the house. 

1035
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,760
Anyway, I don't know how far she
would remember when we get back 

1036
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,080
into the house and I let her 
off. 

1037
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,880
She knows exactly where she's 
going. 

1038
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,080
She knows her front door. 
She knows how to get there. 

1039
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,840
She knows Lifted, even at my 
mum's as well, she knows where 

1040
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,000
it is. 
So yeah, it's interesting. 

1041
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,040
But they do quite remember a 
bit. 

1042
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,200
OK. 
So a lot of people with ADHD 

1043
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,280
tend to struggle with shame when
they feel like they're not doing

1044
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,240
enough. 
So just to think, have you ever 

1045
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,240
felt guilt or anxiety around 
being a pet owner? 

1046
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,720
And how do you manage that? 
Joe's spoon. 

1047
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,200
We'll start with you. 
Yeah. 

1048
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,320
I think yes, initially when I, 
when I I would struggle, we've 

1049
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,200
kind of like obviously taken her
for the war. 

1050
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,960
So I think, you know, you see 
kind of like how people are with

1051
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,440
pets, even though I'd I'd done 
like heavy research around the 

1052
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,920
best sort of kind of like breed 
of dog that would suit like my 

1053
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,240
environment and sort of kind of 
like my routine. 

1054
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,200
And she was perfect for me. 
But I also felt really guilty 

1055
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,920
because I wasn't the one because
everyone talked about like, you 

1056
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,240
know, when you take your dogs 
out for a walk, it's like a you 

1057
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,680
and you and your your dog sort 
of kind of like connecting and 

1058
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,360
doing all of that stuff. 
And at first I was like, yeah, 

1059
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,840
yeah, that's cute and whatever. 
But then again, I also found 

1060
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,320
kind of like going on the walks 
quite overwhelming. 

1061
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,960
And so I felt a little bit 
shameful, painful at the the 

1062
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,480
fact that I wasn't that dog 
owner that would constantly go 

1063
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,160
on walks every single day with 
my dog for some time. 

1064
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,840
It was kind of like, I think 
also sometimes my family would 

1065
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,000
be like, oh, So what did you and
Daisy do today? 

1066
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,120
Looks like I would be chilling 
in their house like, so you're 

1067
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,560
not going for a walk and it'll 
always be that. 

1068
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,800
So you're not going for a walk. 
I'm like, well, no, she's fine. 

1069
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,440
Actually. 
She's gone out to the balcony. 

1070
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,840
She's seen a bit of sunshine. 
She sniffed a bit of air. 

1071
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,320
She's OK, but I think what I 
also realized is that I also 

1072
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,640
wanted her to be able to 
socialize with other dogs 

1073
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,840
because I got her three months 
before we went into lockdown. 

1074
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,880
So in the three months I didn't 
have her out very much. 

1075
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,520
And then when we went into 
lockdown, it was just basically 

1076
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,240
me and her. 
So I would have to take her on a

1077
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:53,680
walk. 
There was no dog walkers. 

1078
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,560
I would have to do the grooming 
and all of that kind of stuff. 

1079
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,080
So a lot of it I had to do a lot
of that stuff. 

1080
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,760
But then I realized to help 
myself and also to still have 

1081
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,800
her have a healthy sort of like 
environment and healthy 

1082
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,520
enriching sort of life, have a 
dog Walker in place. 

1083
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,400
So having the dog walkers helps 
massively. 

1084
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,440
And it's basically she goes dog 
picks her up and drops her off 

1085
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,960
and they go for walks in big 
massive parks with other various

1086
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,600
different sizes of dogs. 
So she gets to interact with 

1087
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,200
other dogs because again, she 
was a lockdown dog, so she 

1088
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,480
didn't get to interact with dogs
very often. 

1089
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,840
So I also think that there's 
this whole thing around because 

1090
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,160
she's been so used to humans, 
like I felt like I neglected her

1091
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,360
a little bit when it came to 
that. 

1092
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,760
But obviously that was out of my
control because of the pandemic,

1093
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,560
but still making sure that I, 
you know, it cost. 

1094
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,200
Money. 
But also having it in place 

1095
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,960
where a dog Walker can kind of 
come in, pick her up, and she's 

1096
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,640
gone for like 3-4 hours. 
So that's her solid day. 

1097
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,720
She comes back, she's tired or 
she looks at me if it's raining.

1098
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,720
Like, bitch, why did you so 
excuse my French? 

1099
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,200
I didn't ask for this. 
So she'll look at me coming back

1100
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,800
dirty and be like, yeah, you 
have to deal with yeah, I'm like

1101
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,920
Daisy now. 
She's like, why a minute? 

1102
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,400
It's literally like creamy 
creamy bitch since she let me 

1103
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:26,600
outside. 
So yeah, yes, that is guilt. 

1104
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,520
That is guilt when you have to 
take them out in the rain less. 

1105
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,840
But Oh my goodness, I love the 
fact that you're able to do 

1106
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
that. 
You you can pay someone to walk 

1107
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,400
them. 
Yeah, and that's something I 

1108
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,760
only started knowing with like 
realizing with my ADHD and not 

1109
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,480
feeling guilty, like similar to 
like having a cleaner, like 

1110
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,800
knowing that sometimes I just 
can't clean my flat. 

1111
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,560
It overwhelms me. 
And you know, there is a there's

1112
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,560
a certain guilt that you have 
with like obviously I grew up in

1113
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,240
a Nigerian household. 
So it was just like, it's like, 

1114
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,040
it's imperative you keep your 
house clean and you clean the 

1115
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,480
house. 
And I grew up doing that and I 

1116
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,320
didn't enjoy the cleaning. 
So now I'm like, I'm of adult 

1117
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,520
age, I've got adult money. 
I know I can't do it and my ADHD

1118
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,320
will not allow me to. 
So I'm going to put some things 

1119
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,960
in place. 
And the lucky thing is I get PIP

1120
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,040
as well. 
So the PIP sort of like allows 

1121
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,560
me to be able to kind of like 
off kilter that payment and it 

1122
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
doesn't feel like it's like it's
too strenuous, some kind of like

1123
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,320
my day-to-day cost. 
So it helps with those kind of 

1124
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,880
things because I know that my 
ADHD won't allow me to do 

1125
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,640
certain daily sort of like 
functioning at task. 

1126
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,600
And those are the things that I 
can't do, even though sometimes 

1127
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,840
I can do it, sometimes I can't. 
So just having that in place has

1128
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,800
really, really helped. 
And it, it had to take me having

1129
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,600
ADHD to then feel like I cannot 
look at my life in the same way 

1130
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,760
as a neurotypical person. 
And so the guilt sort of 

1131
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,160
disappears because I'm like, no,
it's not like I've completely 

1132
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400
neglected it. 
I've put other things in place 

1133
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,560
to then help me be able to 
manage it. 

1134
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,480
So I don't allow it to consume. 
You'll become even more 

1135
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,720
overwhelmed and guilty by the 
fact that, you know, I've left 

1136
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,320
this and I've neglected it and I
haven't, I haven't neglected 

1137
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,720
her. 
I've just put someone else 

1138
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,880
something else to help help that
when I feel like I can't do it 

1139
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,560
all the time. 
Absolutely. 

1140
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,320
Yeah, no, I can definitely 
relate to that, Jules, to be 

1141
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,800
honest, because I think that's 
kind of similar with me walking 

1142
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,520
her every day is such a task for
me where there are some days 

1143
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,680
where I just physically can 
know. 

1144
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,600
And then my sister would be 
like, why haven't you walked 

1145
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,920
meanie today? 
You need to walk meanie. 

1146
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,800
He's like her out. 
And then obviously that guilt 

1147
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,000
does kind of come. 
But I'm, I'm looking at the same

1148
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,640
like thinking about getting a 
dog Walker or something in place

1149
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,000
that can help me with that as 
well. 

1150
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,880
And as well as feeling guilty 
because I feel like she is so 

1151
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,960
used to the humans, like she 
hasn't really been around many 

1152
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,680
dogs either. 
So I feel like when it comes to 

1153
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,920
other dogs, she's so 
territorial. 

1154
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Like she's she's really not 
friendly. 

1155
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,000
So now I'm like, I need to, I 
was looking up like, is there 

1156
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,640
dog day centers or whatever 
where she can just go in just 

1157
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,080
such a lot of dogs because it's 
a lot. 

1158
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,280
When she was a lot younger, 
there was one of the vets said 

1159
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200
that they used to do like 
basically like a dog playgroup 

1160
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,720
thing, but then they stopped 
doing it. 

1161
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
So I didn't know where else to 
find another one. 

1162
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,760
And yeah, she's just like 
humans. 

1163
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,480
She's just, she's just so 
territorial and so reactive and 

1164
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,880
just, I'm like, yeah, she needs 
socialization. 

1165
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,440
So that part I feel really 
guilty about. 

1166
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,680
But then I'm like, you know what
things can be put into place to 

1167
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,960
help me manage it and help her 
have like a better, I guess 

1168
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,200
socialization because she's 
still quite young. 

1169
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,120
But yeah, so I definitely get 
that. 

1170
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,760
Yeah. 
I. 

1171
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,640
I it's the same thing for me. 
I feel like it says this is 

1172
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,320
like, like a, like a similarity 
in all of us that have dogs that

1173
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,480
we feel like we're not walking 
them enough, we're not giving 

1174
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,480
them enough exercise, you know, 
that we're not giving them the 

1175
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,320
right training. 
Oh my goodness. 

1176
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,480
With my dog, I didn't train him 
for the first year because I 

1177
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,640
thought, ah, I can just manage. 
I'll read all the books, you 

1178
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,160
know, and then I'll watch all 
the channels and then all the 

1179
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,920
programs, all the podcasts about
training the dog because he 

1180
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,440
doesn't need to go to training 
camp. 

1181
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:11,800
I can do it. 
And no, he was not very nice. 

1182
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,840
He learned really bad manners 
and he beat my son twice. 

1183
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:22,200
My son ended up in A&E twice. 
So I had social services come 

1184
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:28,640
knocking and it took that, you 
know, for me to kind of realise,

1185
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,040
OK, maybe I'm not doing things 
properly. 

1186
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Maybe I'm not, you know, even 
though I had many of my friends 

1187
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,600
telling me, but I'm the kind of 
person that I'm just, I'm very 

1188
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,160
stubborn. 
I'm very stubborn. 

1189
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,440
And I feel like I can do it. 
I can do, I can learn all things

1190
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,480
possible. 
You know, if I've learned to do 

1191
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,240
this and I've learned to do 
that, then I'm able to learn how

1192
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,320
to look out how to train a dog 
and the breed. 

1193
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,240
And I was, I just, I was just, I
was just learning about, about 

1194
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,040
Akitas even. 
I've got so many books then. 

1195
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,320
And then, yeah, social services 
was like, no, you need to take 

1196
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,000
him to a proper training camp. 
Otherwise, you know, we'll take 

1197
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,280
him away from you and and he'll 
be, you know, that that will be 

1198
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,440
the end of him. 
And I was like, no, my God, no. 

1199
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,200
Yes. 
So we, we took him. 

1200
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,880
We took him to a proper training
camp. 

1201
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,760
It was quite far as well, God, 
and and then his behaviors just 

1202
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,400
change altogether, like 
completely. 

1203
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,680
He had like six weeks of 
training and he was just, it 

1204
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,000
just kind of like he just calmed
down. 

1205
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Like he was so hyper. 
He was still because he was a 

1206
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,680
teenager. 
He was like a year old, so like 

1207
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,520
a year and a half or something. 
He was just a proper teenager, 

1208
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,160
just hyper and jumping on 
people. 

1209
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Whenever I had visitors, he will
jump on them and and he will try

1210
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,920
and bite off their feet. 
He was a feet. 

1211
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,680
He's a he likes feet. 
So you had to teach him you 

1212
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,560
can't do that to people. 
And now everybody comes around. 

1213
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,600
They just absolutely love him. 
And they, they, they just even 

1214
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,520
children, He's very protective 
for children. 

1215
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,400
And my son, he grew a bit scared
of him for a very long time. 

1216
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,360
But now that he's strained and 
everything, like he's a bit more

1217
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,440
like, OK, cool. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1218
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,760
And actually, he didn't want 
when social services got 

1219
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,480
involved and social services 
said, do you want to to get rid 

1220
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,480
of him? 
My son was like, no, please 

1221
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,480
don't, don't get rid of him. 
He didn't mean it. 

1222
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,360
He's just explaining. 
And my son was like 11 at the 

1223
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,200
time. 
So yeah, it's just just it was 

1224
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,080
just amazing. 
But yeah, there's so many, so 

1225
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,920
many challenges. 
And so I feel like what you 

1226
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,120
said, Jules, about neurotypicals
and people who are neuro virgin 

1227
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,120
is that sometimes we don't look 
at all the intrinsics. 

1228
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,160
We don't look at how difficult 
and the challenges that come 

1229
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,840
with that. 
But we just want to have what we

1230
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,640
want to have. 
You know, we wouldn't have that 

1231
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,960
pet. 
We wouldn't have, you know, but 

1232
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,640
we don't. 
I didn't do any research. 

1233
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,640
Like I just went strain to it 
because it's what I wanted. 

1234
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,920
And my children, my husband, 
everybody was telling me, be 

1235
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,840
careful, do your research. 
Think about it. 

1236
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,320
You're very busy. 
You've got three kids. 

1237
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,480
You have a job. 
You're doing this, you're doing 

1238
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,800
that. 
And I wasn't listening. 

1239
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,960
I was just like, I was so 
focused on what I wanted, and I 

1240
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,840
don't care about anybody else. 
And then once I got it, I was 

1241
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,800
like, yeah, yeah, it was this is
this. 

1242
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,640
I was the same. 
That was me as well. 

1243
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,000
Impulse. 
Impulse. 

1244
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,200
Oh my goodness, do. 
You know, that's so funny you 

1245
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,920
say that because I actually 
think, and this is where I see 

1246
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,640
these parallels in my dad and 
me. 

1247
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,360
My dad is not diagnosed with 
ADHD, but he has ADHD. 

1248
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,320
I'm not a doctor, but he has 
ADHD. 

1249
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,680
And he, it was pure impulse that
he was like yes to a cat. 

1250
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,320
And also his decision to not 
spade her that I asked him why 

1251
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,120
not Because for me, the rate at 
which she's having kittens 

1252
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,240
surely must be taking toll on 
her body and like her as an 

1253
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,080
animal. 
How many has she had? 

1254
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:55,000
She has had probably about 6 
litters and the smallest litter 

1255
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,320
she's had was 4. 
So she's had like one litter was

1256
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,680
like 7 of them. 
And like she's not a huge cat 

1257
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,960
and she's also not super old. 
So it's like the rate at which 

1258
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,840
she's having and surely must be 
taking toll. 

1259
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,240
And I think that I think 
sometimes is a conflict that I 

1260
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,400
am always weighing up on a moral
side of like can yeah, sustain 

1261
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,480
that because also is it? 
Too late to. 

1262
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Delete. 
I don't know. 

1263
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,800
I think you can spade them at 
any point because. 

1264
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,560
Just OK. 
But I think for my dad, his 

1265
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,760
rationale was would you like it 
if we spaded you? 

1266
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,160
And I was when he said that way,
I mean, I get the rationale of 

1267
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,200
like animal, you know, freedom 
and. 

1268
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Yes, after 10 kids I think. 
It's also bad like that. 

1269
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,840
Cut that conflict off. 
How much is it taking toll on 

1270
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,480
her? 
And there is information on the 

1271
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,960
toll or it makes and takes on an
animal that like, I've actually 

1272
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,160
looked up so much and it doesn't
really give much recommendation 

1273
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,160
on how many litters they should.
Yeah. 

1274
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,520
They can actually have. 
And that is always a fear that 

1275
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,120
like one at one point she's 
going to have a litter that 

1276
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,000
takes her out. 
You know, maybe it's obviously 

1277
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,000
the lovely and the novelty of 
having them etcetera is also 

1278
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,400
nice, but it's also like until 
when we, we learnt the hard way 

1279
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,560
from that first litter and 
basically have a cat that is 

1280
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,520
super anxious as a result of not
knowing really how to deal with 

1281
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,000
a litter. 
And you know, and I always think

1282
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,440
like there's places like cat 
cafes and all these other places

1283
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,360
where you can get cats to 
socialize, but they're quite 

1284
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,400
anti social animals anyway. 
But like that cat, I cannot 

1285
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:36,160
imagine a day where I could take
that cat and put it in a carrier

1286
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,760
and take it anywhere because it 
would literally. 

1287
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,560
Shoot up. 
Yeah, it would. 

1288
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:41,480
It would. 
It would be. 

1289
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,200
Shivering the whole time out of 
just anxiety to just be around 

1290
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,560
humans. 
It like that would freak it out 

1291
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,200
so much. 
And like I have seen when it 

1292
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,880
definitely gets warmer, like we 
will leave the whole back door 

1293
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,920
open to the front so it can kind
of walk through and it does come

1294
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,240
in and it is warm to us because 
it knows us. 

1295
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,040
But like I, I've stroked that. 
I can count to the amount of 

1296
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,720
times I've stroked that cat 
because it's that wow. 

1297
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,160
We as someone who suffers with 
anxiety myself, anxiety takes 

1298
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,720
toll on the body and I how much 
that that is on that cat. 

1299
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,000
Like that cat is stressed out 
all the time, vigilant and 

1300
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,360
hyper, you know, looking for the
dangers constantly and like, is 

1301
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,680
that a happy cat? 
I don't know, you know, 

1302
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,280
socializes in even when it 
socializes with what is its mum 

1303
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,400
like half of the time she's just
hissing at it and telling it get

1304
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,720
away from my food isn't I don't 
know how much it's having a 

1305
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,200
great time and and it's also an 
all black cat. 

1306
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,800
So also there's like a 
superstition obviously around 

1307
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,560
all Black Cats and. 
Yeah. 

1308
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,680
See loads of people, if it is 
out and about, like they move 

1309
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,600
from it as opposed to go toward 
it because of those like 

1310
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,920
superstitions around Black Cats 
and all these other things. 

1311
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,360
So it's like that cat in 
particular, there has been a 

1312
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,040
turmoil of like, had we known 
what to do to like raise kittens

1313
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,680
the first time round and like 
done the research and all of 

1314
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,080
that sides of things, maybe it 
would be less stressed and less 

1315
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,680
anxious now. 
But I am working so hard on just

1316
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,040
getting closer to the food when 
it comes. 

1317
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,720
And you know, I'll, I'll put the
thing and then it will come 

1318
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,400
close and like, it lets me now 
touch its head and like small 

1319
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,080
steps move. 
Like I have to beat a statue 

1320
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,640
basically over its plate and it 
will literally put its head into

1321
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,560
my hand. 
But if I move my finger, it's 

1322
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,360
gone. 
So it's it's it's baby steps 

1323
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,720
where I feel like I need to 
figure out like, how do you help

1324
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,560
a cat with anxiety and like a 
sentiment that isn't just a cat 

1325
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,200
that sleeps and purrs and comes 
to you because there isn't tons 

1326
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,040
of information around that. 
And that's something that I 

1327
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,560
always feel a slight guilt 
around of like the toll of the 

1328
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,760
babies and then that one baby 
that we weren't planning to 

1329
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,520
keep. 
How do we get? 

1330
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,640
I just feel so touched for that 
story. 

1331
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,320
Like honestly, you said you the 
name is Kitten. 

1332
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Yeah, it's called Kitty. 
Yeah, Kitty. 

1333
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,440
Kitty, Kitty. 
That's it. 

1334
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,320
That's it. 
It's Kitty. 

1335
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Yeah, because you just did. 
You just. 

1336
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,360
You need to rename it like. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1337
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,120
I think it was just meant to be.
She was meant to stay with you 

1338
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,760
guys. 
He's teaching me a lot about 

1339
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,560
like patience and taking time of
an animal that isn't generically

1340
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,600
what you would get an animal 
for, you know, like human desire

1341
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,760
for an animal, like you'd you'd 
want that closeness to it. 

1342
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,480
And this isn't an animal that is
naturally inclined that way. 

1343
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,840
So it's teaching me a lot about 
kind of a slower approach to 

1344
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,880
warming to an animal, finding 
different ways around, like 

1345
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,200
looking after it because it 
knows where it's home is. 

1346
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,360
It comes here every day, it eats
with us. 

1347
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,200
It don't go anywhere else. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1348
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,240
It's true that patience of 
knowing it's safe and and giving

1349
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,080
it that kind of safe environment
that it knows that you can 

1350
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,800
relax. 
You can relax. 

1351
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,440
Oh, just say, I thought Cocker. 
I think our Cocker is super 

1352
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,920
relaxed that it just doesn't 
have any care in the world. 

1353
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,440
It's just he's so territorial as
well. 

1354
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,200
If you buy a new piece of 
furniture, he has to sleep on it

1355
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,960
no matter what it is. 
Even if it's a desk or a chair 

1356
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,000
or whatever, he will just lay in
it. 

1357
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,399
And I'm like, why? 
You've got like so many places 

1358
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:19,920
in the house. 
Are you already sleeping? 

1359
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,640
And my daughter, by the way, is 
super allergic. 

1360
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,000
My, yeah, my middle child. 
Yeah, she's, she's allergic 

1361
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,920
towards him. 
So whenever she's, she sits 

1362
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,520
somewhere where he sat down and 
left his hair. 

1363
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,840
She would just immediately get 
like things all over her face 

1364
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,120
and stuff. 
And so she has to take 

1365
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,840
antihistamine like, every day. 
Yeah, I know. 

1366
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,520
I was allergic as well, but I 
became inude after after a while

1367
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,760
after I had him. 
Yeah. 

1368
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Yeah. 
So we've talked about so many 

1369
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,800
things today about. 
Oh, my goodness. 

1370
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,439
I just this is one of my 
favorite subjects. 

1371
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,040
I could go on. 
And no, no, no, no, no, no, no 

1372
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,960
for a very long time. 
But we're about solutions. 

1373
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,880
So what ADHD friendly systems? 
Let's move into solutions. 

1374
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,880
What ADHD friendly systems tools
or hacks help you take care of 

1375
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,840
your pet? 
For example, there are alarms 

1376
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,600
with teams for reminders. 
Get responsibility or tech. 

1377
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,560
I think we talked a little bit 
before about having like phone 

1378
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,560
reminders and things like that. 
But you know what? 

1379
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,479
What do you use now? 
We keep it quite simple actually

1380
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,000
between me and my dad looking 
after the cat because when I'm 

1381
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,359
on my own, I don't have a pet, 
but when I'm on my dad's, we Co 

1382
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,720
look after the cats. 
But we're actually quite similar

1383
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,319
in the way that we remind 
ourselves, especially with like 

1384
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,560
the feeds and stuff. 
So my cat has a mixture of dry 

1385
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,040
food, tinned food and then those
little pouch thingies and then 

1386
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,200
human food. 
But for us to keep track of what

1387
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,080
they've eaten. 
Like if it's the tins, we'll 

1388
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,040
literally leave the empty, like 
rinse it out because we recycle 

1389
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,359
everything, rinse it out and 
then leave the tins on the 

1390
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:56,120
window sill so that we know he's
fed them or I've fed them. 

1391
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,320
And then I have this little 
magnetic, it's like A to do list

1392
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,000
thing and it can just stick to 
the fridge. 

1393
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,880
And I will write on that like 
what type of food? 

1394
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,480
Because my cat is also quite 
bougie. 

1395
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:07,120
And sometimes you don't want the
dry food. 

1396
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,160
He wants the wet food. 
He wants the tinned food or the 

1397
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,440
human food. 
So I will write kind of log it's

1398
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:16,280
not on dry food anymore for now 
so that my dad then knows let's 

1399
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,360
not just waste the dry food 
because it's not going to eat it

1400
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,440
anyway. 
Yeah. 

1401
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,600
So I'll kind of make notes of 
where her moods are and her 

1402
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,640
sentiments are, but we'll kind 
of leave a visual reminder for 

1403
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,160
each other depending on like 
who's home that day to know 

1404
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:32,400
they've been fed morning or 
whenever. 

1405
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,520
And by literally leaving things 
on there like window sill visual

1406
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,960
or like you'll leave it on the 
top of the recycling bin so you 

1407
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,560
can see the pouch there. 
Otherwise we'll just open up 

1408
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,200
overfeeding. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1409
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,200
I think those are the main ones 
and we just trying to share it 

1410
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,000
between us. 
Amazing. 

1411
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,840
How about you, Alan? 
I think, I think, I think that 

1412
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,160
helps me because when I'm out, 
I'll be like, what is she doing?

1413
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,760
Is she OK? 
Is she all right? 

1414
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,360
So I've got like a camera set 
up. 

1415
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,200
I can actually see what she's 
doing while I'm out. 

1416
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,360
So I think that kind of helps me
a lot because I'm like, I 

1417
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,200
remember before when she was a 
lot younger, I'll come home, 

1418
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,960
this dog has turned nails upside
down and I'm just like, Nah. 

1419
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,640
So I think having that and it's 
all because I can speak to her 

1420
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,600
for it as well, because she she 
used to be a lot like quite 

1421
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,760
anxious. 
So I think just being able to 

1422
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,240
speak to her and you know, even 
though she doesn't, she's like, 

1423
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,440
where is this coming from? 
But I think that actually helps 

1424
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:29,040
her calm down as well. 
And yes, it was helpful, I think

1425
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,400
for both of us. 
And then when she used to eat 

1426
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,400
dry food, I had this, I mean, I 
still got it, but she doesn't 

1427
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,920
really like dry food anymore. 
But it was a feeder where if I'm

1428
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,160
out as well, like if I popped 
out whatever and I need to feed 

1429
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,040
her or I can set it for a 
certain time so I will know. 

1430
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,800
And on that I can see how much 
she's eaten when she's eaten. 

1431
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,800
So that used to help me keep 
track of it. 

1432
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,320
And that feeder as well had a 
camera as well. 

1433
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,640
So yeah, it just helped me keep 
track on what's going on, what 

1434
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,560
she's eating, what she's doing. 
I did get a water fountain 

1435
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,800
version where again, I can kind 
of see now water intake, but she

1436
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,760
doesn't really seem to like the 
water fountain. 

1437
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,000
She prefers the, she prefers the
manual 1 where she just goes and

1438
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,600
drinks as she wants. 
With the water fountain one, I 

1439
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,200
think it's a bit too techy for 
her, so she's not really a fan 

1440
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,600
of it, but that was helpful. 
At first I thought it was a good

1441
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,160
idea to help me keep track of 
her water intake as well, but 

1442
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,600
she don't like it. 
So yeah, I think at the moment 

1443
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,880
that's kind of the tech that I 
have in place to kind of help me

1444
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,040
manage that side of things, but 
I'm always thinking of another 

1445
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,560
way where I can make this easier
for myself. 

1446
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,840
Still probably haven't figured 
out a lot, but yeah, right now 

1447
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,400
that's what's working for me. 
Sorry. 

1448
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,800
How? 
How old is your your dog Helen? 

1449
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:46,160
She's a year and a half now. 
Yeah, so I guess it's kind of 

1450
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,600
because I know, I know the 
feeling of like, you know, 

1451
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,720
trying to figure stuff out, 
especially when they're very, 

1452
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,440
very young. 
Because I was there. 

1453
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:56,720
I was like, goddamn, I, I think 
I recommend people who 

1454
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,640
especially people with ADHD, if 
you want to get a dog, don't get

1455
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,600
a dog as like a new new fresh 
new dog. 

1456
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:07,000
Because I think the first sort 
of like 2 years of having a dog,

1457
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,240
the experience that you have to 
go through, like the like, it's 

1458
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,600
nice. 
It's nice. 

1459
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,120
Oh, they're nice and cute 
initially. 

1460
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,080
But then afterwards you kind of 
see like I remember like Daisy 

1461
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,840
just chewing through bare of my 
shoes and I'm like, what the 

1462
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,240
hell? 
And I would come back home and I

1463
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,840
would just see like her puppy 
pad ripped to sheds. 

1464
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,040
And I'm like, what the hell, 
yes. 

1465
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,320
Oh my goodness, my skirt and 
boards. 

1466
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,360
She'd eaten my skirt and boards.
I had a centre table. 

1467
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,040
She'd eaten the sides of the 
centre table. 

1468
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,040
I'm like what? 
But it's. 

1469
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Fun. 
Honestly, and it is crazy at 

1470
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,160
first, but then I, I don't know 
what it was. 

1471
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:45,120
It felt like as soon as she like
turned 2, like she like her 

1472
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,160
energy has just shifted and just
changed. 

1473
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,600
And she had been a lot more calm
and she had listened. 

1474
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,520
And I think she's kind of like 
after a while they kind of get 

1475
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,200
their feelings and their senses 
of like, Oh, I know that I 

1476
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,480
don't, don't want to touch that 
or I don't know if that's going 

1477
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,640
to cause me harm or maybe I just
made her even more anxious and 

1478
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,680
where she's just like, I don't 
want to be touching anything or 

1479
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,320
whatever. 
But there was a lot less like 

1480
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,760
messes, like for example, she 
would like before she would like

1481
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,480
pee in random places, even 
though I had trained her. 

1482
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,240
But obviously that's from the 
excitement. 

1483
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,880
So just kind of just like I, I 
definitely like, yeah, the 

1484
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:23,120
first, I would say the first two
years, it's like, why did I get 

1485
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,440
a dog? 
Why, why did I get a dog? 

1486
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,120
Then afterwards you're like, 
actually, you're right. 

1487
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,600
You're actually. 
I love you. 

1488
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,400
You know. 
I do actually love you, thank. 

1489
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,000
You it's so I think now she's 
starting to calm down a little 

1490
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,120
bit, so she doesn't really tend 
to do things like that anymore. 

1491
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,160
But back then, Oh my God. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1492
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,760
She still does the excitement 
pedo so if it's new people she 

1493
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,280
will do that. 
Yeah, as soon as you touch her. 

1494
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,920
Twinkle, twinkle, twinkle. 
Twinkle, twinkle, twinkle. 

1495
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,640
So if you're holding her as 
well, she. 

1496
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,120
So with me she's fine, but if 
it's a new person A. 

1497
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,600
Person that's holding her, for 
example. 

1498
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,680
And she's excited. 
Tinkle. 

1499
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,960
Most likely, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1500
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:15,360
Imagine that's so funny. 
Oh my God. 

1501
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,360
Just over excited. 
Over excited. 

1502
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,160
I did also want to add one more 
thing, something that I that I 

1503
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,200
had put in place. 
So for example, even though like

1504
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,680
obviously that naturally I live 
by myself, so going on holiday 

1505
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,240
is something that I still want 
to continue kind of doing. 

1506
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,160
So it's like, look at remember, 
like, oh, he's going to look 

1507
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,160
after my dog. 
And sometimes, yes, who's going 

1508
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,680
to look after my pet? 
And sometimes I really that as 

1509
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,760
much as I love my mum, like I 
want her to look after my dog, 

1510
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,040
my mum will give her like human 
food And I just didn't like 

1511
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,720
that. 
And she just didn't listen to me

1512
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,320
like, yeah, you know, I'm not 
leaving you responsible. 

1513
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,320
And then sometimes my sister 
wouldn't had the time or the 

1514
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,040
facility to look after her. 
So again, I built quite a good 

1515
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,680
relationship with like my dog 
Walker who offered me a good 

1516
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,520
price to kind of like look after
my dog. 

1517
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,800
And then she also my dog already
knew her so she was comfortable 

1518
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,080
with her. 
So there was no issue. 

1519
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,520
There was a time where I went on
holiday last year. 

1520
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,880
I went at the end of last year 
and I couldn't get in touch with

1521
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,520
the dog Walker in time to kind 
of put something in place. 

1522
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,640
But then I had my friends who 
were like, yeah, we can look 

1523
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,680
after her for two weeks. 
I think I was like, yeah, I was 

1524
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,080
gone for two weeks. 
And they kind of like float 

1525
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,720
around, move around everywhere. 
So I was like, my flat is free. 

1526
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,160
You can come to stay in my flat 
as well as well. 

1527
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,000
So they were like, yeah, 
absolutely. 

1528
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,720
And yeah, they were able to look
after Daisy. 

1529
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,280
And then also my flat wasn't 
empty and I was fine with them 

1530
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,440
using up literacy and the gas 
and whatever. 

1531
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,600
It didn't bother me, but sort of
having those kind of things in 

1532
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,560
place. 
And then also it made me also 

1533
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,000
realize because I put a guide 
together anytime like I because 

1534
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,080
I didn't want to miss anything 
or like want to feel like I'm 

1535
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,680
just like, here's my dog, be 
going have fun. 

1536
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,240
Bye. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1537
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,520
And they're calling me I'm. 
So can we give you the Oh, yeah.

1538
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,920
So I put like a a really 
detailed guide and I realized, 

1539
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,400
Oh my God, how structured things
are with like with Daisy and 

1540
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,440
stuff. 
But those are the things that 

1541
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,600
like when it does come to like 
having a pet, thinking about 

1542
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,840
like, as much as like you kind 
of like get the usual kind of 

1543
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,520
like cost here and there. 
But like if you still want to 

1544
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,840
enjoy life and go on holiday and
you don't have like other people

1545
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,560
that you can kind of just like 
give your pet to, like just kind

1546
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,520
of just being aware of like dog 
boarding and finding like 

1547
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,040
reputable and safe dog boarding 
as well as those are the things 

1548
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,400
that I've put in place or like 
asking people in advance. 

1549
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,520
So like for example, if I know 
that I'm going on holiday in 

1550
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,440
July, I might start asking 
people in April. 

1551
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,680
In April. 
I'm going on holiday. 

1552
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,360
Well, how do you feel about 
having a dog for two weeks? 

1553
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,520
She's really cute and she's 
really lovely, you know, putting

1554
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,400
some feelers out there and 
everything. 

1555
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:58,560
So. 
So yeah. 

1556
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,520
You know what? 
That's a, that's a good point. 

1557
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,960
That's a good idea because 
again, getting my dog was so 

1558
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,040
impulsive and I'm somebody that 
I love to travel. 

1559
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,120
Like I like to be able to just 
get up and go. 

1560
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,520
So I didn't really even think 
that far ahead. 

1561
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,840
So I'm fucking my head there and
the first holiday and I'm not. 

1562
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:20,440
Hold on a second. 
She's reminding you that yeah, 

1563
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:22,000
you have got a dog. 
She's. 

1564
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,040
Reminding you, Oh God, she's 
talking. 

1565
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,080
She's like, that's right, that's
right. 

1566
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:29,440
You'd be leaving me alone all 
this time. 

1567
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:30,560
No. 
And you know what? 

1568
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,240
That's so interesting what 
Fallon says that because I 

1569
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,880
initially, even though I did so 
much research before getting my 

1570
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,760
dog, I, I got her own impulse as
well. 

1571
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,160
So it was like it became, 
because I became so obsessed 

1572
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:43,440
with it. 
I was so obsessed with like 

1573
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:46,200
getting the breed of dog. 
I was just like, I'm just going 

1574
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,320
to go and see what the dog is 
like. 

1575
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,400
And like, I didn't have 
intention of like buying a dog 

1576
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,080
that day. 
The lady was like, oh, so do you

1577
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,760
like her? 
I was like, yeah, she goes, OK, 

1578
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,560
great. 
I was like, can I not come back 

1579
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,520
in two days to pick her up? 
She's like, no, you can take her

1580
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,600
now. 
I was like I haven't got 

1581
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,000
anything. 
I brought nothing for the dog, 

1582
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,040
literally had to take. 
I literally drove down after 

1583
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,960
work to just go and see the dog 
and I came home with the dog. 

1584
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:09,800
The. 
Dog. 

1585
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,560
I didn't think anything. 
Good. 

1586
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,640
See, my friend made it so easy 
for me because she gave me the 

1587
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,400
dog with everything. 
She gave me the food. 

1588
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,440
She was like, oh, he's had, he's
had his first fascinations 

1589
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,720
already. 
So I already have. 

1590
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,720
I already had a vet for him and,
and everything and they had a 

1591
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,520
litter. 
So he, he, This is why I think 

1592
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,800
he thinks he's a cat because 
from the beginning he got taught

1593
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,680
to do his business in a litter 
box. 

1594
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,880
So yeah, it's really like, I'm 
telling you, it's just so odd. 

1595
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,840
So yes, we had a massive, 
massive litter box for him and 

1596
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,520
he would do his business there. 
And they gave him, it was a bed.

1597
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,480
They gave us like a kennel as 
well because apparently because 

1598
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:54,440
they're so energetic, they need 
to be taught to have time out. 

1599
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,280
Yeah, so crate training. 
So you have to train them to be 

1600
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:02,080
in a crate, Yeah. 
And they gave me blankets, boys.

1601
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:07,360
She gave me her like Milo came 
with everything, so I thought I 

1602
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,000
was set. 
I'm I'm ready to go. 

1603
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,160
All I need to do is beat you, 
embrace you as one of my own. 

1604
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:16,800
No, it wasn't. 
It wasn't that it wasn't that 

1605
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:17,840
easy. 
And. 

1606
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,440
Yeah, it doesn't. 
Yeah. 

1607
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,880
Go on, sorry, I said yeah, it 
doesn't take away from still 

1608
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,960
having to kind of like the 
impulsiveness to just like 

1609
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,400
within us ADHD as just being so 
hyper focused and excited by 

1610
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,480
something. 
Yeah. 

1611
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:37,760
And until, until kind of like 
the, the dopamine, sort of, kind

1612
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,040
of like literally just thinking 
about it, like, you know, when 

1613
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,000
you have the, the, it's the, the
gratification of like. 

1614
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,040
Gratification. 
Of getting it and being like, 

1615
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,200
oh, it's happened now, Yay. 
And then realizing, So what 

1616
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,400
comes with what, what, what do I
have to do? 

1617
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,040
And then you're like, now I have
to calculate how much this is 

1618
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,400
going to cost. 
And I've got to think about this

1619
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,520
and I've got to think about 
that. 

1620
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,400
So yeah. 
And then I guess the good thing 

1621
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,760
for me was that because we had 
gone into a lockdown, so there 

1622
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,200
was no quality two days for like
the first 3-4. 

1623
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,400
Years. 
Exactly. 

1624
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,560
That wasn't even on my mind, but
after realizing, oh, the world 

1625
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,720
is open up. 
So yeah, I have this dog and I 

1626
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,400
can't take the dog on tricks 
with me everywhere. 

1627
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,160
And what am I going to do, you 
know? 

1628
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,680
But yeah, it's, it honestly, 
it's a learning, learning 

1629
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:27,480
experience, kind of like having 
a pet and then having to manage 

1630
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,520
to sort of like your ADHD in. 
And also even like if you have 

1631
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,640
like a, a chronic pain illness 
or like you have like anxiety 

1632
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,960
and depression, it's kind of 
just like, how do you kind of 

1633
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,040
maintain that with looking after
a pet as well? 

1634
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,240
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

1635
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:45,240
And now that he mentioned about 
holidays and stuff, that was the

1636
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,280
first thing my husband used to 
say to me. 

1637
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,520
So when we go on holidays, who's
going to look after him or her? 

1638
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,920
Who's going to look after the 
pets? 

1639
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,360
That's one thing you need to 
think about. 

1640
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,160
And I was like, are you fine 
people? 

1641
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,560
We've got cousins and aunties 
and uncles. 

1642
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,800
You've got my mom and dad. 
Like it's not going to be a 

1643
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,040
problem. 
And then at one point it was my 

1644
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,960
cousin's wedding, which meant. 
Everyone's there. 

1645
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,560
And we were like, OK, so he was 
like, so who are you going to 

1646
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,720
leave the dog with now? 
And the cat now? 

1647
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,240
We got two, We got two. 
We got two. 

1648
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,200
Yeah. 
We had to pay someone else to, 

1649
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,200
to look after them. 
We paid someone to come to our 

1650
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,200
house and feed them. 
Walk, walk Milo, feed Coco, feed

1651
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,320
Milo. 
Like every day that was that was

1652
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,240
super expensive. 
Like it was. 

1653
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,840
And that's the novel. 
Yeah, that's one of the things 

1654
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,440
that you need to think about 
every time. 

1655
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,960
And that's where the like 
novelty of a cat is super useful

1656
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,600
because they're quite 
neighborhood based and they 

1657
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,480
don't tend to go miles out. 
So like you tend to find the 

1658
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:49,040
cats or like canoodle with the 
neighbors cat and then you start

1659
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,280
talking to them just because you
know your cats are talking to 

1660
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,040
each other. 
And then when you need to 

1661
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,080
potentially leave them or you 
won't be able to kind of attend 

1662
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,480
to them in the same way. 
They're not that different in 

1663
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:00,520
terms of maintenance. 
Like obviously everyone feeds 

1664
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,400
them whatever they choose, but 
like you could easily just say 

1665
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,240
to a neighbor, how could you 
check, check on them or yeah, 

1666
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,840
put some food out for them, but 
they're a lot less high 

1667
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,320
maintenance than a dog. 
So I think definitely was a 

1668
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,200
consideration for my dad and I 
who both like freelance work 

1669
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,560
because although, yeah, it's a 
little bit more flexible, there 

1670
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,720
are times that we're like Haber 
fixed on whatever it is project 

1671
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,160
we're and we need other eyes on 
the animal. 

1672
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,720
So yeah. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

1673
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,520
Yeah, Sorry, I was saying before
my door. 

1674
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,560
Well, went off and sent this one
in a in a frenzy. 

1675
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,360
Yeah. 
I was saying I was so impulsive 

1676
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,360
when I got her that I didn't 
actually think about going on 

1677
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,920
holiday and stuff like that. 
So when the first holiday came 

1678
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,240
up, I was like, Oh my gosh, 
she's gonna look after the dog. 

1679
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,960
But I like that idea, Jules, of 
actually creating like, you 

1680
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,200
know, a structure of what to do 
when I went on holiday. 

1681
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,840
So it was like a family holiday.
Me, my mum, my sister, my 

1682
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,160
brother, all of us went on 
holiday. 

1683
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,040
And so then my partner was 
looking after the dog and tell 

1684
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,480
me why I get back and he was 
telling me like, what she's 

1685
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,080
eaten, what she's had, blah, 
blah, blah. 

1686
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:09,160
He fed her chocolate milk. 
No. 

1687
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,600
Yeah, I mean, she was fine. 
Like I took her to the vets and 

1688
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,080
everything like that and they 
were like, she didn't have a 

1689
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,720
lot, so she was fine. 
Because I remember one time I 

1690
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,000
was in the vets and there was a 
lady saying to me, like to give 

1691
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,680
your dog like tablets if they 
won't eat it, like put a little 

1692
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,280
bit of Nutella on it. 
And I was like Nutella, but 

1693
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:26,760
that's chocolate. 
Like, yeah. 

1694
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:28,920
She was like, she was like, a 
little bit. 

1695
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:29,920
She was like, a little bit won't
hurt. 

1696
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,160
And I was like, so anyway, when 
I was speaking to the vet about 

1697
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,360
the chocolate milk and whatever,
she was like, if it's a little 

1698
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,280
bit, she's she's fine. 
But you know, if it was too 

1699
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,600
much. 
But then it's like things like 

1700
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:39,920
that. 
Because I thought that was 

1701
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,040
common knowledge. 
You don't give dogs chocolate. 

1702
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,280
Chocolate. 
Yeah, everybody knows. 

1703
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,240
So, yeah. 
So I like that idea. 

1704
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,160
But then with my anxiety now the
idea of letting a random 

1705
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,480
stranger look after my dog while
I'm away, that just. 

1706
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,480
It scares me because again, 
there was a time I was in the 

1707
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,280
vet and a guy came in with his 
dog and the whole head was like 

1708
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,600
literally wide open and I. 
Got more? 

1709
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,280
Holiday, Yeah, he said. 
He went on holiday and left it 

1710
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:10,000
like, like a boarding place and 
the dog back. 

1711
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,240
And they said that the dog ran 
into the wall. 

1712
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,320
Oh, yeah. 
So that just sent my anxiety 

1713
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,080
even higher. 
I was like, Oh my goodness. 

1714
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,120
Like, you know, So things like 
that, I'm just like, yeah, I 

1715
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,440
didn't really think any of these
things through beforehand. 

1716
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,240
And it's, it's actually a lot to
consider. 

1717
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,160
Luckily, I do have my mum and my
sister where a lot of times they

1718
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,000
all look after her for me. 
But again, that's a lot of like 

1719
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,880
pressure on them sometimes. 
And it's just like, what do you,

1720
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,960
what do you do? 
So yeah, it was a lot that I 

1721
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,160
didn't think about beforehand. 
Yeah. 

1722
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:45,360
Oh my goodness, my kid coming 
back and finding that your, your

1723
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,800
baby has been injured. 
To me, they're both my babies. 

1724
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,200
They're my, they're my extension
of my family. 

1725
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,680
They're my children. 
I've got 5 kids instead of 

1726
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,440
three. 
The idea of something awful 

1727
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:04,600
happening to them is is just not
yeah, yeah, that that would, 

1728
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,000
yeah, I would, I would feel so 
devastated. 

1729
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,120
And that's why St. you really 
need to think about the places. 

1730
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,280
Just read the reviews if you're 
thinking about leaving them in a

1731
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,480
place after pets or whatever 
with the reviews. 

1732
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:20,760
I have always left my pets for 
people that I know. 

1733
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,760
So it's it's been either family 
friendly family or like really 

1734
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,440
close friends. 
I don't think I would be. 

1735
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:31,520
And the first thing I do before 
I actually book a holiday is 

1736
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,840
fine and is find out who's going
to look after them. 

1737
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,640
So I secure, I secure that 
before I book my holiday. 

1738
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,040
So that's another, that's 
another thing that I, that I, 

1739
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,840
that I do. 
Yeah, scary because I had a 

1740
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,000
scary. 
I had a friend, right? 

1741
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,320
And he, he said that he left his
dog as well to think she went on

1742
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,480
holiday and he left the dog with
his friend actually and came 

1743
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,840
back and the dogs got a broken 
leg like literally. 

1744
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,720
And then the friend said that he
doesn't know what happened. 

1745
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,880
And it's just things like that 
just really scared me. 

1746
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,600
Like honestly, they really just 
get, I'm just like, no, maybe 

1747
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,920
that just shouldn't go anywhere 
and just just stay with her 

1748
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,800
because it's scary. 
So my goodness. 

1749
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,680
Absolutely not. 
No way. 

1750
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,880
Yes. 
But yeah, so yeah, I mean, as 

1751
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,280
we've we've discussed, having 
pets can be incredibly 

1752
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,960
regulating, but it can also be 
very overstimulating. 

1753
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,600
So how do you manage sensory 
overload related to your pet, 

1754
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,840
for example, noise and mess? 
We spoke a little bit about mess

1755
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,320
and also the constant demand for
attention. 

1756
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:34,480
So maybe we'll start with you 
actually, Anna. 

1757
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:41,560
Yeah, noise I I can deal with. 
So my, my, my dog is not noisy 

1758
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,840
at all. 
He doesn't bark at all, is very,

1759
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,040
very rarely when he barks. 
Coco only makes noise when she 

1760
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,240
wants wet food rather than dry 
food. 

1761
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,000
And he doesn't leave a mess. 
Well, actually, what am I 

1762
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,520
talking about? 
He does leave a mess. 

1763
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,680
His hair is everywhere. 
What? 

1764
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,560
You know what? 
I'm so used to cleaning up their

1765
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,800
mess that I actually, you know, 
this is like part of my routine.

1766
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,520
Yes. 
So the Akita, he's he shreds his

1767
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,640
hair every six months 
completely. 

1768
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,840
And he goes everywhere. 
Everywhere you can think of, 

1769
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,280
even in your food, you'll find 
his hair. 

1770
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,400
No, I'm with Coco. 
Yeah, his hair is also 

1771
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,240
everywhere. 
And he'll see everywhere. 

1772
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,480
He will see in my sofas, my 
dinner tables, my. 

1773
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,600
Well, actually, he doesn't go on
the beds. 

1774
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,800
That's the only place he doesn't
go on to either that. 

1775
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,520
No, neither does Milo or Coco. 
They don't go on the beds. 

1776
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,000
But yeah, so we. 
We find hair everywhere and I 

1777
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:50,480
have to continuously use 
products and I have got like 3 

1778
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:54,800
different Hoovers or different, 
like I've got a handheld one, 

1779
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,000
I've got one that's small enough
to get into places and I've got 

1780
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,560
a big one. 
So I've got loads of different 

1781
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,720
products and I've got actually 
I've got a solution that gets 

1782
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,600
rids of the hair. 
I had to change my flooring 

1783
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,200
completely actually. 
So I had wooden flooring before 

1784
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,360
and now I've got ceramic because
it's easier to clean. 

1785
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,920
So that was a bit of an 
investment on my flooring. 

1786
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,800
Actually, I, I also did it 
because I wanted to chase my 

1787
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,760
house, not not only because of 
the pets, but it's a lot easier 

1788
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:32,800
now with with the pets. 
What else can I think of? 

1789
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,840
There's not sensory overload. 
I love having them around. 

1790
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,960
I think they, they keep me, they
give me calm, they keep me calm.

1791
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,120
They give me a lot of, they make
me laugh. 

1792
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,280
I find them super, super, super 
funny. 

1793
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,280
They just do all the things that
I know my children wouldn't dare

1794
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,520
to do. 
So as I'm constantly laughing at

1795
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,240
all the new things that they 
come up with and they do. 

1796
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:08,240
I'm glad that I got them. 
Obviously now the hardest part 

1797
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,360
of having them when they were 
like kittens or when they were 

1798
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,960
when Milo was a puppy, he's now 
like an adult. 

1799
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,000
So he's very sad and very calm. 
He's just, he's just very 

1800
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,480
loving, very protective of the 
family. 

1801
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,640
And yeah, I wouldn't change it 
for the world. 

1802
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:26,920
I think. 
I think it was. 

1803
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,240
It's been such a lovely learning
curve for me at the beginning, 

1804
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,800
like I said, like it was 
difficult and the constant 

1805
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,080
demand for attention. 
But they don't really, they're 

1806
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,120
just, they're just really, 
they're oldies now. 

1807
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,480
There's not a lot of, you know, 
apart from Coco. 

1808
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:46,480
He demands attention only when 
he wants human food or wet food 

1809
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,720
because he has no interest in 
dry food, which is like he has 

1810
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,000
two days a week. 
Is it two or three days a week 

1811
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,360
that he has to have dry food? 
And we completely ignore him, 

1812
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,640
which is like, your food is 
right there. 

1813
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:01,560
He'll come and cry. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1814
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,600
Your food. 
Do you want me to take you where

1815
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,320
your food is? 
No, he's there. 

1816
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,600
So yeah, we don't give him to 
him. 

1817
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:09,760
And. 
And that's it. 

1818
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:10,840
Really. 
Yeah. 

1819
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:13,880
That's, that's all. 
That's all. 

1820
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:15,560
Yeah. 
I've I've learned to deal with 

1821
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:21,280
with everything is is I think 
he's given me, he's given me a 

1822
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:26,880
sense of understanding and be 
more empathetic as well of other

1823
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,680
animals, creatures other than 
human beings, you know. 

1824
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,520
Yeah, I think for me as well, 
the hair, the funny part is, 

1825
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,520
yeah, when I got what? 
Like part of the reason why I 

1826
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,360
chose her breed was I was like, 
OK, it's not a lot of hair. 

1827
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,280
So in my mind, because obviously
I didn't do that much research, 

1828
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,200
but in my mind I was like, hey, 
she got a thin coat that means 

1829
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,200
she's not really going to shed. 
Like, I don't really have to 

1830
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,440
deal with much hair. 
Boy, was I wrong. 

1831
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:58,240
This dog sheds. 
There's hair everywhere, and I 

1832
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:00,600
hate it. 
Like, especially when it's on 

1833
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,840
clothes. 
I'm like, no, I'm always like, 

1834
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,880
how can I get rid of this hair? 
How can I get rid of this hair? 

1835
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,960
So yeah, that's just like a 
constant battle for me. 

1836
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,360
And also because, well, saying 
that she's quite anxious, 

1837
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,080
especially around other dogs. 
So whenever we go to the vets 

1838
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,840
and another dog comes in, at 
first she'll be all right. 

1839
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,600
And then after that she starts 
getting on edge of bit and then 

1840
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,120
she eventually she starts 
barking. 

1841
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,320
And that for me is gets so 
anxiety provoking because I'm 

1842
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,760
trying to everything to calm her
down and she calming down. 

1843
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,800
I'm getting overstimulated. 
And then eventually I just take 

1844
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,880
her outside and I'm like, hey, 
when you're going to call her 

1845
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,680
just to shout me because I 
cannot, I can't do this. 

1846
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,160
It's or not. 
It's like you almost I'm going 

1847
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,040
to cry in baby that won't stop 
and you're out in. 

1848
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,840
Public and you're like, what? 
Can I do? 

1849
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:47,800
Yeah, it's too much for me. 
So yes, again, I'm really just 

1850
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,040
trying to see what I can do to 
to socialize her a bit better 

1851
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,400
because it's it's a lot. 
And I think I think with me as 

1852
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,560
well, like whenever I'm going to
feed her something, I'm always 

1853
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,120
checking first. 
Now, you know, our dogs allowed 

1854
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,120
this because she had this 
because that he's safe, because 

1855
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,920
I don't want to dumb that deals 
are not cute. 

1856
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,600
I don't want. 
It they're really not. 

1857
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,200
They're not, honestly. 
Hey, yeah. 

1858
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,240
And then it's like, we've heard 
readers, well, they're quite 

1859
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,400
prone to like, allergies and 
stuff like that. 

1860
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,040
So really stop. 
Yeah, they're quite prone to 

1861
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,560
allergies and stuff like that. 
So it's just, yeah, it's. 

1862
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,120
So it's a lot. 
It can be very over stimulating.

1863
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,320
But at the same time, I'm glad I
got her. 

1864
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,080
Like Anna said, I'm really glad 
I got her. 

1865
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,800
You know, she is my little baby.
Keeps me company. 

1866
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,400
It's just me and her in the 
flat, so it's nice. 

1867
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:35,760
And she's very clingy. 
Like, wherever I go, the minute 

1868
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,680
I get up, she right there next 
to me. 

1869
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,560
Like, literally, man. 
And he's just so cute. 

1870
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,880
Like just having somebody follow
you around that just loves you 

1871
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,000
so much. 
So yeah. 

1872
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,440
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, I tell you Nicole, yeah, 

1873
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:54,600
I'd say my cat is very similar. 
She prefers 1 to one attention. 

1874
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:58,960
So even now like she had so my 
dad says and like says it in 

1875
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,600
like this high pitched noise and
it doesn't matter where she is, 

1876
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:03,680
she will come running from even 
outside. 

1877
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:09,560
So that cool and she is quite 
like attentive and, and quite 

1878
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,200
like loving in her nature. 
So she will like twirl around 

1879
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,080
your legs if you're sitting 
somewhere and you're eating 

1880
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,080
something on your plate, she'll 
be like pause up looking at you 

1881
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,600
like hello, where's mine? 
Because she obviously eats the 

1882
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,040
human field and we don't give in
to that. 

1883
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,200
But she's like you'd be cooking 
in the kitchen. 

1884
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,760
She is outside. 
You will see her in the window 

1885
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,680
and she will be meowing one step
non-stop until you will let her 

1886
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,120
in and she will literally even 
balance on the handle of the 

1887
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:39,840
door like hello open, like you 
know those those kind of when 

1888
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,040
she's demanding something, she's
not going to let up for those 

1889
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,440
moments. 
And I find that is quite funny 

1890
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,800
for an animal, but also just, I 
realize I'm quite a softy in a 

1891
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,680
pushover for this animal. 
Like I will put food there and 

1892
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,480
like, Nope, she doesn't want dry
food. 

1893
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:57,280
Oh, she needs it soaked first. 
OK, we'll soak it. 

1894
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,440
OK, She needs human food. 
I think we'll change it. 

1895
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,600
Like, we've bought so many 
different brands, so many 

1896
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,120
different types of food because 
she's just like, I don't want 

1897
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,760
that. 
And she will, she's quite 

1898
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,720
stubborn. 
So like, she's not going to eat 

1899
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,720
the, the thing that's there. 
She will strike and she will 

1900
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,440
protest and she will rather 
starve than get her way. 

1901
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:19,000
Like she will get away. 
And like that has been quite 

1902
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:23,560
high demand and also quite 
pricey because so that's been 

1903
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,480
quite a demand. 
But yeah, overall I think she's 

1904
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,280
still quite an affectionate 
animal. 

1905
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:32,840
She is a long hair, so her hair 
is also does do the shed stuff, 

1906
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,200
but less so actually since she's
gotten older, which is quite 

1907
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,600
interesting, maybe because she 
doesn't get into any like stupid

1908
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,200
fights or anything like that 
anymore. 

1909
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:44,280
But generally speaking, we've 
got the lint remover routine as 

1910
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,760
part of our routine. 
So she and she doesn't tend to 

1911
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,120
go into like the bedrooms 
anyway, so doesn't tend to get 

1912
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,680
on like our clothes and stuff. 
It's just you'd find it when 

1913
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,360
you're hoovering and doing all 
of that. 

1914
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,680
Most of we've never had carpet 
as a result of having cats just 

1915
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,240
because The thing is just too 
odd of worse. 

1916
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,160
But yeah, I like the the the 
padding and the purring version 

1917
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:07,960
of her. 
And now she's in maternal mode. 

1918
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,880
It's like the softest version of
the cat I ever get. 

1919
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,360
She my dad called her and then 
he came in during this meeting 

1920
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,280
and he she's not gone downstairs
because she rather's like be 

1921
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,800
purring in the corner in my 
corner that she's at. 

1922
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,480
So I love her winter. 
That's super. 

1923
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:25,360
Cute. 
How about? 

1924
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:30,120
You, Jules, I think for me, 
something that I've, yeah, I, I 

1925
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,080
so I really, I didn't realise. 
I think as of recently, I have 

1926
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:43,640
noticed and become aware of like
how kind of like sensitive I can

1927
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,680
be with like noises and smells 
and stuff like that. 

1928
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,400
With Daisy, she's not really 
much of a big bark or of a dog 

1929
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:55,400
unless she hears something 
upside or is a letter to 

1930
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:59,080
something or the doorbell goes 
when the doorbell goes because I

1931
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,280
have a buzzer. 
And so I have to turn the buzzer

1932
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,880
off if I know that I'm not 
getting any deliveries to turn 

1933
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,720
the buzzer off because sometimes
people will just buzz on my door

1934
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,360
and that just literally gets her
going and she sounds like a 

1935
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,640
completely different dog. 
So much so like the the high 

1936
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,360
pitchedness of her bark kind of 
sets me off. 

1937
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,600
It kind of just like it like 
tightens my a little bit. 

1938
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,000
So I'm people kind of like, 
yeah, no, I know, but I need to 

1939
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,040
turn the buzzer off because that
will set you off. 

1940
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,320
And she's kind of like really 
good as well. 

1941
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,920
Because when there's a strange 
noise that's not kind of like 

1942
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,080
because you had the foundation 
of like places that you live in.

1943
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,320
So you know that that's normal. 
But when it's a noise that she's

1944
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,240
like, hold on, wait a minute. 
That also alerts me. 

1945
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,120
So I find that very helpful 
because she would pick up on 

1946
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,800
something that she hasn't heard 
before and then I will kind of 

1947
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,240
like be alert as well. 
Like, OK, where did that come 

1948
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:47,800
from or what? 
What's that noise? 

1949
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,800
So she's kind of been helpful 
with that. 

1950
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,480
Something that really used to 
bug me because she's so small 

1951
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,840
and sometimes I wouldn't hear 
her coming because she would 

1952
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,040
just like, walk really. 
I've stepped on her by accident 

1953
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,800
and she literally scream at me, 
like, how long are you there? 

1954
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,200
You close this on yourself. 
Why? 

1955
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,680
Are you there? 
But at the same time, I'm kind 

1956
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,160
of like, I'm so sorry. 
Like you're literally in my way.

1957
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,640
I literally have to go Daisy 
beds. 

1958
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,200
I'm like to tell her to go to 
her bed. 

1959
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:15,760
You don't. 
I'm I'm OK here. 

1960
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,120
You don't have to be here, you 
know? 

1961
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,920
And then she'll look at me. 
She'll kind of walk. 

1962
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,080
And if she'll look back to say, 
Are you sure I need to go to my 

1963
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,240
bed and like Daisy? 
Yeah. 

1964
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,920
And then she'll walk a little 
bit more than she'll look back. 

1965
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,680
Are you sure I need to go if you
don't? 

1966
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,720
And I have to like, chase her to
run to her bed. 

1967
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,280
So her to know like she needs to
be in her bed because you can't 

1968
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,680
be in my way. 
So I find a lot of time I'm not 

1969
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,040
able to do certain things or 
like if I'm going to be in a 

1970
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,720
certain place for some time, I 
have to make sure I have like 

1971
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,800
her bed set up where she can. 
Or if I'm working from home and 

1972
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,800
I'm at my desk, she wants to be 
there. 

1973
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:48,280
So I'm like, oh, I've got to get
her. 

1974
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,640
I've got her, get her living 
room bed and put it in the 

1975
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,200
second room so she can sit 
comfortably so she can watch me 

1976
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:54,360
because she just want to watch 
me. 

1977
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,080
Like this is what I have to do 
to pay the bills. 

1978
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,000
So you can live an enjoyable 
life. 

1979
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,520
I guess we'll work. 
I guess we're working together 

1980
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,760
then. 
But yeah, no, it like there are 

1981
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,880
bits where it does feel like, 
yeah, it can be overwhelming. 

1982
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,800
But again, I feel like I can't 
change it for the world because 

1983
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,680
it feels like it's part and 
parcel because even sometimes I 

1984
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,720
think she has enough of me 
sometimes. 

1985
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:18,520
And this is where I think that 
she also has ADHD because where 

1986
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,480
it's like she feels 
overstimulated. 

1987
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,880
My dog, I will be in the living 
room watching TV together. 

1988
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,640
She'll just jump off of my lap 
and just go to the room where 

1989
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,280
her bed is. 
She's like, I've had enough. 

1990
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, the way you're watching 

1991
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,880
this, it's not better me just go
to her bed and I'm like, this 

1992
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,880
cookbook has been gone for like 
20 minutes. 

1993
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,240
I'll go and see. 
She's just lying in her bed. 

1994
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,880
It's like, yeah, she need a bit 
of time to myself. 

1995
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,080
So I know that when when she 
needs the time to herself, 

1996
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,960
she'll go by herself and stuff 
like that. 

1997
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,640
So it's not like she's she can 
be clingy, but like not super 

1998
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,720
clingy because at some point 
she'll be just like, yeah, I 

1999
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,720
know this is my time to be 
alone, so leave me alone and 

2000
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,360
stuff. 
And when she comes back, she'll 

2001
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:58,920
come and look. 
And she went, oh, OK. 

2002
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,440
And and even when we've recorded
sometimes because I'll be on for

2003
01:40:02,440 --> 01:40:05,040
so long and I've not given her 
attention, like I'll be on a 

2004
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,440
call with someone, I'll be like,
OK, lovely speaking to you. 

2005
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:08,560
I'll talk to you later. 
Bye. 

2006
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,040
Why would my dog just pep? 
Oh, finally you finish your 

2007
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,400
phone conversation. 
It's like to let me like, oh, 

2008
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,720
you're done now. 
OK, cool. 

2009
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,680
Thanks. 
So yeah, it's just kind of just 

2010
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,480
like picking up little things 
that even though it can be 

2011
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:24,120
sometimes like, oh, it's a lot. 
But the lovable moments kind of 

2012
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,920
like really overcompensate and 
kind of just like take away from

2013
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:31,320
like, you know? 
Stop following me girl all the 

2014
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,480
time sort of energy. 
Absolutely. 

2015
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:35,400
That's amazing. 
Oh my goodness. 

2016
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,800
It's been such an interesting, 
interesting talk today. 

2017
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:43,840
I've learned so many new things,
you know, from having a 

2018
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,720
guideline for people because I, 
you know, like when I go on 

2019
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,080
holidays, I do have people that 
I don't think I've given them 

2020
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,760
enough instructions and they 
will call me like, Oh my 

2021
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,640
goodness, what to do in this 
situation or that situation. 

2022
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,280
So, you know, Jules, having a 
guideline written guideline 

2023
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,000
where everything's there and you
don't miss anything is 

2024
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,680
absolutely amazing. 
Also what Nikhil talked about in

2025
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:11,160
terms of the cats and, and their
emotions. 

2026
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:16,960
And you know, like when they're 
when your cat, for example, is 

2027
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:21,200
expecting and later like how 
emotional it gets and how, you 

2028
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,200
know, nice and clingy and all of
that. 

2029
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,560
It gets. 
It's really, really nice to know

2030
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,400
because I've got obviously I've 
got a boy cat. 

2031
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:31,240
So I don't know what it's like 
to have a girl cat. 

2032
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,760
I don't know what What have you 
guys found interested in this 

2033
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,640
conversation? 
How about you, Fallon? 

2034
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,920
Yeah, definitely got some tips 
to to take away. 

2035
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,640
So I like the idea of 
implementing somebody that can 

2036
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,320
help. 
So whether you know, like a dog 

2037
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,800
Walker just to kind of help me 
and help Mooney with that 

2038
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,880
structure and that routine that 
we can kind of both stick to. 

2039
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:53,320
So I think that's really 
helpful. 

2040
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,000
And definitely the guide. 
Definitely the guide. 

2041
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,440
Because what I realized as well 
was like, even for me as a dog 

2042
01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:01,360
owner, there was things that I 
didn't know before having a dog.

2043
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,200
So of course, like, you know, if
you're leaving your dog with 

2044
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:06,360
somebody that may not 
necessarily have a dog, or even 

2045
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,160
if even if they do, people have 
different ways of doing things. 

2046
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,680
So just to have that guide that 
they can just have their to go 

2047
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,320
through just to kind of know. 
And when you're on holiday, you 

2048
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,840
don't necessarily want someone 
calling you every second to ask 

2049
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,200
you questions anyway. 
Yeah. 

2050
01:42:19,480 --> 01:42:21,480
So I think, yeah, that's a 
really good idea. 

2051
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:22,600
I never thought about that 
before. 

2052
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,200
So I'll definitely be absolutely
taking that one away. 

2053
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,960
So yeah, definitely. 
I would also, I would also say 

2054
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,640
as well with like the the guide,
because I know sometimes it can 

2055
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,880
feel overwhelming to just 
immediately like I've got to 

2056
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,160
write things up. 
I literally was just putting 

2057
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:41,360
things in as and when. 
And so eventually kind of built 

2058
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,760
the guides and had enough 
information to kind of just like

2059
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,760
make sure, OK, this is solid bit
of information to kind of just 

2060
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,960
like put together for everyone. 
And again, knowing my ADHD 

2061
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:55,480
brain, it was just kind of like 
I knew that trying to do a guide

2062
01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:58,760
at one in one sitting. 
Yeah, the procrastination would 

2063
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,920
be like, absolutely not. 
So the advice I would say is 

2064
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,240
slowly build it and slowly kind 
of like put stuff in. 

2065
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,920
I even started off with like the
one thing I know her vet 

2066
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:12,080
practice number and information 
that needs to go in the guide. 

2067
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,000
Let me put that in there. 
Those kind of things. 

2068
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,520
But yeah, I I would say like to 
to not overwhelm yourself is 

2069
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,400
doing it slowly and building it 
rather than having it like 8 

2070
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,680
pages deep from the get go. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

2071
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,280
First thing I'll be putting in 
no chocolate milk. 

2072
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:31,120
That one too. 
Make sure not to give it. 

2073
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,600
Absolutely no Chocolate milk for
sure. 

2074
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,280
And write something like you 
will murder my. 

2075
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:37,560
Dog. 
My dog. 

2076
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,440
Literally. 
But yeah, but it was again, like

2077
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:43,760
I was saying, like even before I
got a dog, I didn't even know 

2078
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,080
that was a thing that you don't 
give dogs. 

2079
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,400
It was through getting one and 
doing my research. 

2080
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:48,760
That's. 
When I'm realized so. 

2081
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:50,360
I get it. 
But yeah. 

2082
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,120
Crazy. 
That's crazy, Yeah. 

2083
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,040
Nicole, I think my takeaways 1 
is I do not want a dog that 

2084
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,360
sounded like stress that it 
seemed like to me. 

2085
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,240
Absolutely not. 
And I've definitely made the 

2086
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,400
right choice in cats, but also 
interest in even in terms of 

2087
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,800
cats that they're lower 
maintenance. 

2088
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,600
But there's still so much more 
research missing and how much 

2089
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:18,960
more like I could do to kind of 
help my dad support them if he 

2090
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,680
is going to make those choices 
that are like, not spading them 

2091
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,240
and doing those kind of 
decisions where we're maybe less

2092
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:27,600
conventionally raising a cat 
because we're like, Caribbean 

2093
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,600
peoples and feeding them chicken
bones. 

2094
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:32,160
So just to make sure we're 
covering all of them. 

2095
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:34,840
Yeah. 
My cat eats what she wants. 

2096
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,960
But just so, you know, making 
sure we're having that longevity

2097
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,280
to make sure they have as long 
and as happy a life as possible 

2098
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,360
to keep doing that research and 
stay on top of that. 

2099
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:43,920
So. 
Yeah. 

2100
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:46,640
Amazing. 
Thank you so much. 

2101
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,640
Is there anything that you would
like to share about what you 

2102
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:53,880
have coming up, Nicole? 
Nothing urgent. 

2103
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,160
June, I think is my first major 
thing. 

2104
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,760
I'll be doing a theatrical 
staging of the poem that I 

2105
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:03,480
shared at ADHD Babe's five year 
anniversary. 

2106
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,600
Amazing. 
But yeah, I'll be sharing a more

2107
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,880
developed version of that, so if
you're interested. 

2108
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:11,800
Amazing. 
Thank you. 

2109
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,240
For me. 
She picks her moments, isn't 

2110
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,440
she? 
Come here, come, come, come back

2111
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:18,920
to me. 
Yes, absolutely. 

2112
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,040
This is the day in the life of a
pet owner. 

2113
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,320
Like a dog owner for real. 
Actually. 

2114
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,600
Oh goodness, I absolutely love 
that. 

2115
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:28,800
I don't know what you're going 
to do. 

2116
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,920
So. 
So for listeners with ADHD who 

2117
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,760
are thinking about getting a 
pet, what's one thing you wish 

2118
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,920
you'd known before becoming a 
pet owner? 

2119
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,560
I'm trying to think. 
I'm trying to think because I 

2120
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:44,760
feel like I, I knew quite a lot 
because I really researched a 

2121
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:50,240
lot of things. 
And so I also think it's the 

2122
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,440
autism thing as well. 
Like, yeah, because of like just

2123
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,200
how heavily researched based I 
was like, no, I need to make 

2124
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,080
sure it's right. 
Even down to the point where my 

2125
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:02,960
dog is hyper allergetic. 
Yeah, and she doesn't shed 

2126
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:05,680
because that was one thing that 
I was like, I don't want. 

2127
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:09,080
A pet that sheds, Yes. 
That's one of those things. 

2128
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:09,760
Energetic. 
Yeah. 

2129
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,840
That's it, yeah. 
So I definitely think, yeah. 

2130
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,600
And then also thinking about 
grooming. 

2131
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,440
I think grooming is something 
that I would say as much as it 

2132
01:46:20,440 --> 01:46:23,000
looks really pretty and nice 
that you want to groom your pets

2133
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,800
sometimes I think, Nicole, you 
was talking about it like, like 

2134
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,080
having to like, dip your pet 
into water. 

2135
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:30,920
Yeah. 
And I had to do that in the 

2136
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,280
lockdown because I couldn't get 
a groomer. 

2137
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:36,880
I, I think I traumatized my dog.
So every time I put the shower 

2138
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,160
on, she runs away because she 
thinks that I'm about to bathe 

2139
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:40,720
her. 
And I'm like, no, babes, I'm 

2140
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,160
bathing myself. 
So you're good. 

2141
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,000
You could. 
And I actually take her to the 

2142
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,160
groomers. 
And when I take her to the 

2143
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:47,280
groomers, a lot of the time they
don't. 

2144
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,240
Actually be really great. 
She's really lovely. 

2145
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,360
I'm like when I tried to bathe 
her in the house, she's 

2146
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:55,240
scratching me up. 
I have to sit in the bath with 

2147
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,960
her. 
So I think that's definitely one

2148
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,920
thing. 
I would say just kind of like if

2149
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:03,080
you, when it comes to grooming 
your pet, particularly dogs and 

2150
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,560
dogs that have certain hairs and
their furs or their hairs grow 

2151
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,040
really fast, just kind of 
maintaining the grooming as and 

2152
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:11,400
when. 
I know it can be expensive. 

2153
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:14,080
But yeah, I think that was 
something I wish I knew because 

2154
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,120
I thought I could do it myself. 
I just need some, you know, some

2155
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:18,720
scissors and stuff. 
Girl no. 

2156
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:26,640
My God, I could tell you some 
stories about me trying to nail 

2157
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,600
that was so traumatizing. 
Oh my gosh. 

2158
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,200
Yeah, yeah. 
If you really don't know how to 

2159
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,160
do it, definitely let the. 
Group. 

2160
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,600
Yeah, yeah, no, same with me 
with the nail cut at all. 

2161
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,240
Accidentally cutting it bled. 
And I said, yeah, yeah. 

2162
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,880
Yeah, yeah, I said. 
So when I go to the groomers, I 

2163
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:45,560
said can you do her nails please
as well, please? 

2164
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,480
Because yeah, I'm about to do 
that again. 

2165
01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:49,920
Yeah, yeah. 
Mine cried. 

2166
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:51,520
He was. 
He was so hot. 

2167
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:59,360
He was proper crying for ages 
like and he wouldn't come in 

2168
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,640
anywhere near me for like a 
couple of days. 

2169
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:05,400
No. 
He was like, no, what the hell 

2170
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:06,920
is wrong with you? 
No way. 

2171
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,520
Hell no. 
Yeah, not doing that with me. 

2172
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,240
The thing is, I don't really 
don't 111. 

2173
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,120
Like I did one leg and I was 
like, I've got so confident. 

2174
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,360
So when I tried to do the other 
leg, it was like, yeah, no, you 

2175
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:22,480
messed up, You messed up. 
Thank you so much, Nikkel and 

2176
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:25,680
Jules, for joining us today. 
It's been a pleasure to chat and

2177
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,000
learn more about you, both you 
and your pets. 

2178
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,080
Obviously. 
Please will you let listeners 

2179
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:35,040
know where they can connect? 
With you, there you are. 

2180
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:40,440
I'm on Instagram X everything 
under Nikkel LNIQUE double LE 

2181
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:43,280
under score L and then you can 
find all of my kind of work and 

2182
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,040
stuff on Nikkel Latouche dot com
Thank you. 

2183
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:47,880
Amazing. 
And Jules. 

2184
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,120
So I'm going to do. 
Something a little bit different

2185
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,440
because I don't, I'm not really 
on like social media like that. 

2186
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,040
Yeah. 
But I'll bring up, I'll shout my

2187
01:48:58,040 --> 01:48:59,600
dog because my dog has an 
Instagram. 

2188
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,040
So if you want to go follow her 
Instagram, go follow now. 

2189
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,960
I haven't posted her for a 
while, but she's got some cute 

2190
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,400
pictures on there. 
But you can follow her. 

2191
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:14,480
Her Instagram handle is Daisy, 
so it's DA yes, EE. 

2192
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:19,560
So it's EE instead of AYI think 
it's DA Morki. 

2193
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:26,120
So Morki as in MORKIE because 
that's the her breed. 

2194
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,080
Hello, Daisy. 
Yes, yeah. 

2195
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,800
What to see? 
What's what she's up to? 

2196
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,640
Yeah, so she's she's currently 
here chilling. 

2197
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:33,880
So yeah. 
Do you know what? 

2198
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:36,320
I absolutely love her. 
She's so gorgeous. 

2199
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,640
Daisy just chilling. 
She's gorgeous. 

2200
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,440
Every time I see her I'm just 
like. 

2201
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:48,360
Yeah, she'll she'll White Little
Fang. 

2202
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:56,800
Yeah, yeah. 
So Mooney will definitely be 

2203
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:58,800
following her from Mooney's 
Instagram. 

2204
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,640
Yeah. 
Gosh, yes. 

2205
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,520
And oh, I wanted to add earlier 
when you was asking me if 

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01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,440
anything coming up. 
So on the 28th of March, I'm 

2207
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,200
actually going to be having an 
event where I'll be talking 

2208
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,520
about, you know, ADHD and tools 
and tips. 

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01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:16,760
Might do a little workshop as 
well. 

2210
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,480
They'll be me and three other 
ladies. 

2211
01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:23,880
So 1 is a personal stylist, 1 is
a cook and one she's a midwife. 

2212
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:25,880
So she'll be talking, she'll be 
having like a motherhood panel. 

2213
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,560
So yeah. 
So that'll be 28th of March, 

2214
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,480
you'll be in Thamesmead. 
And yeah, if you want to know 

2215
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:36,320
more, you can find me on 
Instagram at Files Nails. 

2216
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:42,120
So that's FALFALSNELS. 
So Files Nails. 

2217
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,920
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

2218
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:49,040
Make it. 
Amazing, amazing. 

2219
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,920
And you as well, Anna, do you 
have anything coming up at all 

2220
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,400
that you want to share? 
My Guinness. 

2221
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:54,840
You know what? 
The only thing that I've got 

2222
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:58,720
coming up is my daughter's 
birthday on the 28th of March, 

2223
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:01,400
which obviously none of you are 
invited to. 

2224
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:07,200
Well, thanks. 
Because it's a quinceanera, It's

2225
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,880
a 15th birthday party. 
We do, it's a very Latin 

2226
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,280
American tradition we do to our 
girls when they turn 15. 

2227
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:18,160
And yeah, that's got me. 
That's got me super, super busy.

2228
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,600
I can't even think of anything 
else apart from that. 

2229
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:24,080
So yeah, it's exciting. 
But if you want to know about 

2230
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:30,480
me, my Instagram is family 
Surah, and I'm Anna Ramos on 

2231
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:34,560
Facebook and also Anna Ramos on 
LinkedIn. 

2232
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,440
And I can't remember my TikTok, 
by the way, I don't think I use 

2233
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,760
TikTok that much. 
So yeah, you don't need to find 

2234
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:40,280
me. 
On TikTok. 

2235
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,200
Amazing. 
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2236
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,400
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