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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents Roberts like 

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skeet of Savage.com., And today,
I've got special guest. 

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Dr. Annika Becca. 
Back on the line. 

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She dove into all of her books. 
So I've had on the past about a 

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year ago, I think. 
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time. 
She had two books, the hormone 

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fix and keto green 16. 
So we dove into those kind of a 

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recap on those two with this 
podcast. 

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He's got a new book coming out 
menu, pause kind of a play on 

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words for menopause and with 
those topics. 

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We just dive really deep into 
hormonal health. 

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For both male and females. 
What are some changes happening 

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throughout Changing Times with 
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What are some things you could 
do in your environment and your 

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lifestyle, with your nutrition, 
with your sleep, with your 

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recovery? 
And then what are some things 

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you could do eggs on Janice Lee 
from like a bioidentical hormone

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standpoint to improve these 
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to get, just, really how to 
improve your overall and 

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underlying health. 
So thoroughly enjoyed the 

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conversation. 
Dr. Anika. 

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Becca is a wealth of knowledge. 
I've got no doubt. 

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You would take something from 
this so that for their do it 

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Back, relax. 
Enjoy the podcast with dr. 

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Anika Becca. 
We are live. 

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Doctor Anika. 
Becca back in the building. 

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How are you? 
Hi, I am great. 

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It's great to be here with you. 
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Yeah. 
When was the last time you were 

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on the show? 
It's been over a year. 

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I think I didn't exactly 
probably around a year ago and a

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lots happened since then you 
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which I don't know how you write
these books on your turn amount.

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Yeah, yeah, so this book out. 
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the book. 
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out to write an originally 
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menopause around the world. 
But hey, and we got grounded. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, it was so. 

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So from a chronological 
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The first one was the hormone 
fix, right? 

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Yes. 
That is by Magnus Opus. 

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Oh, that came out in February 
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know, it's called the hormone 
fix and then I would say takes 

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more than Moans to fix your 
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Some information that I want 
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you know, have armed with 
especially before their doctor's

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appointments, Etc. 
Just to be empowered. 

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That's yeah. 
Pretty proud of that one, 

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honestly. 
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16 was released, right? 
But when was that one polished 

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that was published in May Cinco 
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So right when the World closed 
down And keto green 16, really 

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focusing on healthy, ketogenic 
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incorporating Alcoa, misers, 
greens and lifestyle. 

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In a short, 16-day plan with 16 
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and, and really key foods to 
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So, so that's when that one came
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really well. 
It was really designed to do in 

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groups and corporate wellness, 
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But do it as group, 4 group, 
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everyone to be able to do it 
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of ingredients etcetera. 
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I love it. 
And then all of that led to the 

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creation of the latest book 
menopause. 

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And that was published what 
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Well, it's published April 12, 
so menu. 

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Pause. 
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bring a smile to to our faces. 
So maybe pause and that came 

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Robert. 
From working with, you know, 

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thousands and thousands of women
online and evaluating what 

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they're doing. 
Especially in our keto green 

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lifestyle and say, okay. 
Well, maybe we need to pause 

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this. 
So there's five different 

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Six-Day plans that each pause 
something, that could be getting

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a stock. 
So, kind of like a blueprint for

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an Elimination Diet so to speak.
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Yeah. 
Different ones, right? 

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And what like, if somebody is 
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I guess, like, if there was a 
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picture of the perfect reader 
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be? 
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are struggling with 
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This is ideal. 
Nip it in the butt now so that 

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you are sailing through your 
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It mean menopause should not be 
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the it being the other stage of 
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So the opposite side of the 
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So So to speak, but equally 
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And it should be seamless 
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balanced balanced. 
Very quickly is is key. 

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And then well, post-menopause. 
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this plan and I will say, if it 
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perimenopausal women. 
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Does, you know, work for 
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Six-Day plans to say, okay, if 
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may be the key to To overcoming 
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and you know supporting our 
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extra Edge and left and energy 
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Would you recommend people read 
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know the hormone fix to menu 
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best to just kind of read as 
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Or is there a ideal way to go 
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information? 
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Any anyway, each book is 
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However, I do. 
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additional information insights 
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amazing recipes, so, but any 
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really. 
That quick glimpse of number one

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menopause around the world and 
number two, you know, food as 

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medicine. 
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physician. 
I didn't learn in medical school

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or residency. 
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own early menopause, journey and
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Menopause journey and using food
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that to be, you know, honestly 
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And I love saying that because 
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her and I'm just as high as a 
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amazing and I want to live the 
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I never knew my grandparents, 
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disease before I was born. 
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So it food is medicine. 
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with this information and 
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we're using is actually working.
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against us. 
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gluten and stop and sugar, 
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in our symptom or systems to And
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that you were originally wanting
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and like a documentary style 
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you know, filming this like how 
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and everything probably shut 
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wanted it to be and you became a
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doing quite a bit of traveling 
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information, right? 
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My mom told me at a young age 
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Your best education is three 
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Learn about other people. 
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culture. 
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I love of my life is travel and 
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I've learned so much from other 
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comes to Medicine around the 
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Traditional foods things. 
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and residency to add to my 
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One of the most amazing amazing,
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can recommend for people and, 
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and herbs have come to fruition.
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how they were initially used to 
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Listen, and now we've 
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meals and it makes a huge 
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lifestyle. 
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and we can't put, you know, I 
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easy recipes that anyone can do 
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spices. 
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shelf quite a bit and make can 
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amazing delicious, but also 
medicinal and several podcast 

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guests in the past month. 
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like a western medicine 
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ventured into a lot of Eastern 
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of been enlightened, so, to 
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bring to the table. 
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Western medicine as most, people
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travels, how would you kind of 
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bucket so to speak? 
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traditional herbs and spices and
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That's one. 
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lifestyle hacks. 
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Australia and Can-Can Australia 
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said, well, that will delete 
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basic as that, right? 
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pour acid in it. 
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designed to do. 
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in our mouth, the saliva 
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world and then in Indonesia, for
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Indonesian healer. 
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I was diagnosed with early 
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highest doses of injectable 
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the only option for me to have 
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Through egg donation. 
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for us and this Indonesian 
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talking with him and he goes 
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it was just so tender, like, if 
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can put your hand on your head 
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tender points there, and it was 
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And I was like, oh my gosh, what
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He says, you worry too much. 
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inclination, like this again. 
Another light bulb that went off

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at stress and Trauma, and worry 
and grief, and was affecting my 

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ovarian function, but blew my 
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I feel have too much. 
Later, I was pregnant. 

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I feel like there's that was 
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much there's so much that, that 
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day-to-day lifestyle, especially
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world that we find ourselves in 
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but it's like, there's, there's 
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practitioners, and those from an
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kind of discredit a lot of this 
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this tastes assume. 
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you know, smoke and mirrors and 
there's nothing like to it. 

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So, I feel like you got to give 

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credit where credit's, due. 
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Absolutely true. 
When it comes to menopause. 

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I think we talked about this 
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We did about a year ago. 
But can you for people that are 

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you know, listen to this and 
maybe they're going through 

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menopause right now. 
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Got to that point, but you can 
you just really high-level break

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that down and give us a crash 
course in menopause. 

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What it is, how to hedge against
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just set yourself up for Success
going forward. 

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Yeah, you know, menopause has 
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through it. 
However, suffering is optional, 

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suffering is optional and when 
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the decline, in both men and 
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starts to decline in our 20s. 
We start to see a declining DHEA

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or an adrenal hormone also 
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women and testes, and men. 
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testosterone and DHEA. 
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we can see what I call 
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symptoms of nervous. 
Period of neuroendocrine 

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vulnerability so hot flat. 
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neurologic like anxiety, 
depression, mood swings, 

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difficulty, sleeping memory 
loss, brain fog. 

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All of those are neurologic 
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woman's gynecologic response, 
the endocrine hormones on the 

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ovaries and the uterus so 
irregular bleeding break through

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Cycles PMS. 
Worst heavier, more painful 

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periods and a lock-up lack of 
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dryness that can occur as we 
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neurologic symptoms. 
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say, it takes more than hormones
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And with this change, with this 
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we're losing the reproductive 
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And where are Bodies naturally 
producing more insulin and 

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cortisol. 
So more of the insulin, a 

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hormone to store store glucose 
store glycogen for fuel when we 

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need it. 
When the famine comes, right? 

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And we become very sensitive to 
this, with our with the change, 

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in our anabolic hormones, and 
decrease in those natural and 

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anabolic hormones that we 
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part of our reproductive lives, 
all of our Reaper, all of our 

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lives. 
And so, so, With that, we have 

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to shift from using glucose for 
fuel to using ketones for fuel 

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as an optimal fuel source, at 
least a regular, you know, the 

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majority of time. 
So anybody I'm obviously who 

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jacket for following a ketogenic
diet and leveraging, that is the

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primary fuel source, but there's
a lot that can improve from a 

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hormonal standpoint in 
menopausal women from adopting a

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ketogenic diet and lifestyle as 
opposed to just relying heavily 

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on carbohydrates. 
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Why are we? 
And we have to do it in a 

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healthy way. 
So, hence the green or 

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alkalinizing. 
Wait, adding fiber, in the form 

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of dark green. 
Leafy Sprouts, cruciferous 

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vegetables, herbs and spices. 
And alkalinizing lifestyle fact,

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anything we can do to reduce 
cortisol because again, it's 

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naturally increasing and we get 
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It's a catabolic hormone. 
It breaks this down. 

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So we have to support healthy 
elimination of cortisol with 

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oxytocin. 
Ian. 

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So oxytocin the hormone of Love 
bonding and connection. 

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The hormone that is in abundance
right now and your sweet family 

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and will be to assist with 
childbirth are right, we 

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increase oxytocin in order to go
into natural labor and that 

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causes contractions, and for 
some women, that's their first 

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experience with exogenous 
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pitocin given to help further 
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Labor protected labor. 
So, so that is an alkalizing 

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hormone where cortisol is an 
acidifying hormone men have 10 

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times as much testosterone. 
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so big on on the lifestyle and 
nutrition component of the keto 

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green plan to help with mineral 
balance and help with woman's 

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physiology, because we do have 
to do it. 

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Different like, you know, like 
you say glucose this to gasoline

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as ketones are to jet. 
Fuel. 

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I like to say that because with 
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progesterone declines. 
In estrogen declines, our brains

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less efficient as at using 
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So, all those neurologic 
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partly a result of our brain. 
Starving for fuel when we shift 

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to ketones as a primary fuel 
source, that lifts completely. 

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And we feel better. 
We feel clearer. 

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We have better memory. 
Have higher energy and honest to

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God. 
I couldn't I wouldn't be doing 

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my third book. 
I wouldn't have written the 

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first book if I hadn't stumbled 
into this lifestyle. 

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What are some? 
Some red flags when it comes to 

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nutrition in most people's 
diets. 

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The standard American diet with 
regard to incredibly acidic 

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foods and and ones that you 
would want to hedge against with

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him or alkaline diet. 
Well, definitely, one of the 

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side effects of an unhealthy 
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increases acidity for sure and 
increases toxin toxin 

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reabsorption. 
And and so the hats, one of the 

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things that if you're 
asymptomatic with constipation 

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or even IBS, we've got to heal 
the God as a as a hormone 

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specialist. 
We have to heal the gut first, 

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we really do and have regular 
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Have you can help? 
No diarrhea, and and to make 

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sure that we're well hydrated, 
all of those important things. 

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The second thing is intermittent
fasting. 

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We are designed to 
intermittently fast on a regular

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basis and especially, as we get 
older research has shown that if

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a woman has between a woman who 
has a history of research, 

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looked in 2016 in the Journal of
the American Medical 

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Association, it was published 
that women who had over 12 and a

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half hours between dinner the 
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Or and breakfast the following 
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They had a significantly reduced
risk of recurrent breast cancer.

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And so, for me, that was that's 
the threshold. 

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So minimum of 13 hours in a 
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basis and on average 13 to 16 to
18 and change it up, right? 

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Change it up for women. 
It's really, really important to

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intermittently fast. 
And the other thing that we do 

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wrong in this country is 
snacking children, don't need to

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snack we I need to snack. 
It's just enough already that's 

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destructive to our metabolism 
and creates. 

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The reason we need to snack is 
because we had too much sugar in

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the mail. 
So that's the next thing breakup

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with that. 
I always call it the toxic 

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ex-boyfriend sugar, Robert then 
I don't know if there's toxic 

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ex-girlfriend, but you know, 
toxic ex-boyfriend sugar. 

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That's like, oh, just one more 
day time, just one more time for

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dinner. 
Just whatever, right? 

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Kind of sneaks back into your 
life. 

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And before, you know, it they're
back in your life. 

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You got to break up all over. 
Again, so you got to break up a 

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sugar once and for all is the 
what is the primary driver that 

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that's causing issues from sugar
specifically is it is just a the

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ease of overconsumption General 
from a caloric standpoint, or is

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it the glycation as a result of 
the higher insulin levels are or

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what's the primary mechanism 
there? 

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Definitely both definitely both 
so certainly and we become less 

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efficient at using glucose as As
fuel, we're going into storage 

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mode. 
We have a decline in our 

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anabolic hormones, in general. 
So we're not producing as much 

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muscle and utilizing the glucose
in muscle as well. 

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It's so so that's one reason. 
The other thing is that insulin 

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resistant, the more sugar, we 
have on a regular basis, the 

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more insulin resistant, we 
become which creates more 

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inflammation and we know that 
the more insulin resistant, more

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likely for diabetes and 
dementia. 

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Alzheimer's heart disease and 
that's that's the really big 

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issue. 
So it's the diet plus the life 

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style combined. 
That is really makes the biggest

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difference. 
Yeah, Kind of Perfect Storm 

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there. 
When it comes to vegetation take

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there's kind of been multiple 
trains of thought. 

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That the carnivore diet for 
instance, is certainly growing 

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in a minute momentum. 
And there seems to be a very big

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demographic. 
Graphic there that seeing 

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continuous success with that, 
both male and female. 

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Do you have any inkling as to 
some adverse effects that come 

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from a hormonal standpoint in 
menopausal women that are 

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following a carnivore diets and 
not incorporating, more greens. 

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Well, I think definitely the 
risk of acidity and getting into

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catabolism is a lot greater. 
I followed many women who have 

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been carnivore for a while and 
then shift. 

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I mean, you have to pause that 
lifestyle. 

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You support got microbiome, and 
I really feel very strongly 

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about this. 
I mean, there's certain time. 

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We have to heal from digestive 
issues. 

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We have to heal our GI tract or 
our skin, our cell membranes. 

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And so, one of the diets in my 
book, my new book coming out 

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called menu, pause is a 
carnivore, ish plan, because we 

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just can't digest the food. 
The vegetables, the greens. 

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It's an attack on our immune 
system. 

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Whereas we need to create a more
resilient immune system, so We 

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can tolerate anything. 
Should there be a scarcity in 

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the animal kingdom, for a short 
time? 

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We never experienced that here. 
But what if there was well 

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throughout history and 
evolution. 

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There's been seasons for a 
reason, right? 

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And our body has evolved to 
adjust and adapt and become, you

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know, create resilient. 
So I want to see that. 

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We're able to eat and tolerate 
our food because we have good 

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digestive tract. 
We have good intestinal mucosa. 

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We have good. 
And we have good liver and 

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kidney support for 
detoxification and filtering. 

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All of those important things. 
We want every piece to work. 

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Well, and this is where I found 
having pauses in certain things,

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like, for example, pausing, all 
the plant-based food. 

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So we have a carnivore is plan 
or pausing all the meat. 

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So we have a plant-based fan 
plan to support gut. 

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Microbial, diversity. 
I think the biggest thing for me

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is that in long term. 
We would see a decline in a 

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carnivore plan. 
Again, men and women are 

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different. 
Men have 10 times as much 

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testosterone and anabolic 
steroid than women. 

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And so women are going to be 
more sensitive to mineral 

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deficiencies and need to address
that. 

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So certainly supplementing with 
minerals is is helpful, but 

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plant, diversity increases gut. 
Microbial diversity, which is 

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associated with longevity and a 
stronger immune system. 

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You have to balance that we need
to heal from what's A problem 

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for us, we need to heal. 
In general head to toe right? 

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We need to heal the and pause 
from things that are destructive

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and we need to. 
Then change things up 

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incorporate staying away from 
certainly foods that are food 

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sensitivities and aggravate, you
but we need to be able to digest

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and Assimilate a variety of 
foods for overall health are 

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there like any immune 
immunological biomarkers that 

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people that are following a 
carnivore Dad could test for to 

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see if there is any waning 
diversity in their gut 

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microbiome or any adverse 
effects that are coming from 

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being carnivore. 
Long-term? 

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Yeah, you definitely want to 
look at a stool still function 

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test. 
So I like GIF X and I like, so 

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that's one of the doctors data 
has another stool analysis, but 

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Adjusted stole analyses are 
very, very beneficial to look at

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the bacteria in your stool as 
one piece, but also enzymes and 

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metabolites to. 
So we can see what else is going

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on there and what other 
bacteria, viruses, parasites, 

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excetera, that might be part of 
that. 

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But mostly for the normal flora,
how does that look how diverse 

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is? 
That? 

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The greater diversity? 
The greater the immune system, 

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the greater the longevity. 
So we want to look at that. 

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And the second piece is looking 
at inflammatory markers like an 

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HS CRP highly sensitive 
C-reactive protein. 

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That is the crucial. 
That's a crucial piece to. 

456
00:25:54,500 --> 00:26:00,500
And the biomarker that I always 
recommend clients check on a 

457
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:05,200
regular basis as urine pH. 
I have my urine, keto pH test 

458
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,300
strips and checking for ketosis 
checking for pH. 

459
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,700
And if you're in ketosis for a 
long time, you won't see the 

460
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,800
ketones in your urine, but 
you'll see. 

461
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,700
Are you doing is an alkaline 
urine pH is associated with 

462
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,400
decreased, comorbidities, 
decreased risk of all the 

463
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,800
inflammatory diseases, including
diabetes, heart disease, and 

464
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,900
cancer. 
So we want to see that healthy 

465
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:35,400
urine pH when it comes to like, 
mac, emoticon Switching, gears. 

466
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,600
A little bit here. 
When it comes to like, 

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,200
macronutrient distribution. 
Obviously, you can, you can do a

468
00:26:40,208 --> 00:26:41,800
lot of different things with 
your diets. 

469
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,100
Where your Source in those 
Foods. 

470
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:47,600
But it seems as though just in 
what I've experienced with my 

471
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,800
female clientele, there seems to
be a much more stable, healthy 

472
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,200
hormone levels and those that 
consume adequate dietary fats. 

473
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,000
I feel like women are a little 
more susceptible to experiencing

474
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,700
adverse effects when they drop, 
their dietary fat, low men are 

475
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:06,900
too. 
But I feel like it's more 

476
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,200
pronounced and females 
especially if there are kind of 

477
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,300
in a minute, puzzle range there.
So have you been able to Not see

478
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,700
any pattern recognition in 
working with women over the 

479
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,800
years as to what a general 
guideline would be with around 

480
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,700
to how much dietary fat that you
consume. 

481
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

482
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,700
And I think for those women in 
my age, group 155, Robert with a

483
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:36,300
14, or my youngest child is 14 
now, but so in the 80s, we were 

484
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:39,200
brainwashed into thinking low 
fat diets, right? 

485
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,400
And for decades, we were 
brainwashed into thinking low 

486
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,900
fat diet. 
So it's one of the hardest 

487
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:47,100
changes I I have women make is 
incorporating enough healthy 

488
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,800
fats back in to not be afraid of
the olive oil to not be afraid 

489
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,000
of the grass-fed butter, right? 
And to not be afraid of healthy 

490
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,500
fats. 
And I think that it is our 

491
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,200
hormones are derived from fats. 
We need healthy fats class. 

492
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:07,200
It's satiating fills us up. 
And then we have willpower's 

493
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,400
physiology physiologic. 
So if we have if we're eating 

494
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,100
healthy, Kita, green lifestyle, 
We're not going to have cravings

495
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:19,100
and because of that healthy fat,
but it depends on the individual

496
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:23,000
how much fat, you know, again, 
we want to work at to adequate 

497
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,300
amount of healthy fat and 
protein especially if they're 

498
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,100
not used to it, maybe support 
with digestive enzymes or I love

499
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,600
apple cider vinegar is a very 
cheap way to do. 

500
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,400
I like Bragg's Apple Cider 
Vinegar cheap way to do 

501
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,900
digestive enzymes and to support
their enzymatic, breakdown of 

502
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,500
their food, especially extra 
protein and fat. 

503
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,500
But to work, Up to have, you 
know how fat with every meal. 

504
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,400
Like it has to be every part 
that with every meal, high 

505
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,900
quality protein and I get amount
of herbs spices and our greens. 

506
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,300
So that makes a big difference. 
Then you're not going to have 

507
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,100
the blood sugar swings and the 
cravings and between the meals. 

508
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:06,300
That they're so used to from 
low-fat, high-carbohydrate 

509
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,100
living. 
And I feel like this holds true 

510
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:14,300
regardless of how much adipose 
tissue I I was carrying like if 

511
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,600
they have a lot of fat to lose. 
It doesn't necessarily mean that

512
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,300
they should just you know, drop 
down all dietary fat to bare 

513
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,100
minimum. 
I feel like that's a very over 

514
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,200
simplified recommendation that 
we're hearing. 

515
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,500
A lot of right now is hey, look 
if you got a lot of fat to lose,

516
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,500
don't consume dietary fat, your 
body is able to tap into it if 

517
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,100
you're fat adapted and there's 
no need to consume it on your 

518
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:36,400
plate and you definitely do want
to take a count of how many 

519
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,000
calories you are consuming. 
Overall. 

520
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,300
You want to be an over, you 
know, incredible Surplus. 

521
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,700
The goal was to lose Bonnie fan 
obviously, but But not, I don't 

522
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,400
think it's really wise advice to
ever encourage. 

523
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
People to minimize dietary fat, 
even if they do have quite a bit

524
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,100
of body fat to lose, if that 
makes sense. 

525
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,100
Absolutely. 
You need fat to lose that you 

526
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,400
really do. 
It's that kind of that double 

527
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,300
sided coin again type of 
phenomenon, but you'd need fat 

528
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,500
to lose fat. 
And that's one thing. 

529
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:10,200
And then especially when we have
extra body fat to lose and by 

530
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Design, we need to fast. 
We need intermittent fasting. 

531
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Staying on a regular basis. 
I think women should do 13 to 16

532
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:21,100
to 18 hours on a regular basis 
and extended fast. 

533
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:26,000
Periodically, like one meal a 
day or 72 hour fast work into 

534
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
it. 
With a bone broth bass or cuter 

535
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,400
green smoothie fast, something 
like that. 

536
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,700
But that is That's essential and
plus as you lose fat, especially

537
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,500
clients. 
I've had that have lost over 100

538
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,400
pounds. 
You want to tighten up the skin 

539
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,400
and the collagen and support 
support. 

540
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:50,500
That elasticity, after such a 
Xtreme fat loss weight loss, and

541
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,300
so fast and can really help with
that too. 

542
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,900
Yeah. 
I'm a big fan of intermittent 

543
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,200
fasting. 
I think there's there's there's 

544
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
like a Tipping Point for 
everything. 

545
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,600
I mean a little too much of a 
good thing, becomes a bad thing.

546
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600
And I feel like a lot of people 
are taking all the benefits of 

547
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,900
fasting and try and push it to 
the extreme to the point where 

548
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,300
they're doing extended fasting, 
much more. 

549
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,100
Then would be optimal and that 
if taken out of context, can 

550
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:20,300
have a negative impact on their 
metabolic function and also 

551
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:22,600
their hormonal function. 
Absolutely. 

552
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:27,000
Are you seeing a lot of events 
just in as as fasting as a 

553
00:31:27,008 --> 00:31:28,500
protocol has become more 
popular. 

554
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,900
You sing. 
Many people abuse that and take 

555
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,200
it to an unhealthy extreme. 
Not too much. 

556
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,100
Not too much. 
I really haven't seen that. 

557
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:40,200
I think our body physiologically
designed for survival and and 

558
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,300
living life, just that kind of 
has its own stopping point. 

559
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:48,100
Ain't yet the you know, too much
too long. 

560
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,900
Can definitely decrease basal 
metabolic rate and also, you 

561
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,900
know contribute to acidity and 
it kept catabolism. 

562
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:02,500
Like I've seen in people that 
have been just focused on an 

563
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:07,600
unhealthy type of ketogenic diet
with osteopenia and osteoporosis

564
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
bone loss. 
And again, we need the minerals 

565
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,200
in our body for physiologic. 
And so we're robbing Peter to 

566
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,100
pay Paul essentially to keep a 
healthy optimal physiology. 

567
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:23,900
So that I see more often. 
I'm extended from extended 

568
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:27,900
fasting, or an unhealthy, 
ketogenic type of diet. 

569
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,100
Totally agree. 
I think, you know, to really 

570
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,900
maximize muscle preservation, 
hormonal health. 

571
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:35,500
I mean you need to be consuming 
adequate calories at it. 

572
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,900
Adequate nutrients enough 
dietary fat, for energy to fuel 

573
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,100
the day-to-day activities and 
enough dietary protein to ensure

574
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,500
that you're able to recover. 
And you know, preserve your lean

575
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:46,500
mass. 
Do you have like a general 

576
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:48,200
recommendation? 
As far as how much protein to 

577
00:32:48,208 --> 00:32:50,500
consume on a day-to-day basis 
review? 

578
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:51,800
Again? 
It really depends. 

579
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,800
I created this keto calculator. 
It's a doctor and a.com /ki do 

580
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:03,200
calc and it is specifically 
designed for women based on how 

581
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,400
active you are. 
How you know, what your BMI is 

582
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,100
and what your goals are. 
And so in general women don't 

583
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,100
consume enough protein and we 
really want to get You know, 

584
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,700
ballpark of 75 grams per day. 
Really will depend though. 

585
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:22,000
I say that with caution because 
I'm five foot eight and, you 

586
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,700
know, large-boned over 155 
pounds. 

587
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:29,500
And I am different than one of 
my other colleagues. 

588
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:33,500
For example, Cynthia Thurlow 
who's, you know, maybe I think 

589
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,700
she's 54 56, and 100 pounds and 
so totally different 

590
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,000
physiologies. 
We have different consumptions 

591
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,500
for sure. 
And so looking at What maintains

592
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,800
our bone, mass? 
What's our activity level? 

593
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,300
What do we? 
You know, how hard are we 

594
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,000
working at? 
What are our goals? 

595
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,200
What's our happy? 
Wait, what do we feel good 

596
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,900
about? 
I mean all those things have to 

597
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,800
be in consideration. 
But looking at a percentage 

598
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,300
wise, if we look at our plate, I
always say if we look at our 

599
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,500
plate we want a court, you know,
a quarter of it to be healthy 

600
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:07,700
healthy like a, you know, an 
eight to about an eighth to a 

601
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,400
quarter healthy fats. 
That might be your avocado. 

602
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,300
That might be combined in your 
salmon or your steak and the 

603
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,400
Same with the protein 
palm-sized. 

604
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,000
If, you know, sighs a healthy 
size of protein and another half

605
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,300
of your plate, being with the 
fiber rich foods, the greens, 

606
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:29,100
the vegetables, the alkalinize 
dancers to help, you know, 

607
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,100
fermented foods to support the 
gut to support the gut bacteria.

608
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,699
The trillions of bacteria that 
live within us to. 

609
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:40,699
So that's kind of how I look at 
it that way more so than a 

610
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:45,500
caloric percentage. 
Us, give us a ballpark and we 

611
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,900
look at that. 
Typically, you know, if you 

612
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:55,100
think of some of the healthy fat
options like olive oil nuts, and

613
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,000
Seed oils, which I get a little 
bit is great. 

614
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,100
We can overdo the healthy things
too. 

615
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:05,400
And I've seen that as well, and 
that can cause Pro inflammatory 

616
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,000
foods like can happen on a 
rampage about chicken lately, 

617
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,100
because review healthy diet. 
There's always chicken. 

618
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,100
Howard in there and I'm like, 
okay no more chicken saw and I 

619
00:35:16,107 --> 00:35:19,200
have included recipes with 
chicken to, but chicken is also 

620
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,400
really high and linoleic acid, 
which can convert to a mega 

621
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,600
sixes arachidonic acid and be 
pro-inflammatory. 

622
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,100
So, we have to watch that too. 
And looking and you talked about

623
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,600
blood markers, what blood marker
would be looking at omega-6 to 

624
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,300
Omega-3 ratio, for instance, 
arachidonic acid, to DHA ratio, 

625
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,500
and those are things we can 
measure In the blood to a 

626
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,600
top-heavy ratio high arachidonic
acid. 

627
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,600
Well is is a risk factor for 
cardiovascular disease, 

628
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,400
inflammation and plaque 
formation. 

629
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,900
So that's another, another extra
lab tests to specifically. 

630
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,600
Look at that too. 
Yeah. 

631
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,200
I think it's like a 
recommendation that you have for

632
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,000
lab testing. 
Like there's been a lot of 

633
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:10,300
independent lab test companies 
that have popped up recently. 

634
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,300
Like let's get checked. 
We can I do it at home. 

635
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,100
Tennis, I've used direct 
labs.com afford to just buy a 

636
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,600
test going to like a Quest. 
Diagnostics Center is like a 

637
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,700
software or a company provided 
that you recommend and use 

638
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:26,900
personally for getting routine 
lab work done. 

639
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:32,500
I typically use Auto lab test 
because clients can order their 

640
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,800
own lab tests and go to any 
Quest. 

641
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,500
Bob, drop the Scylla T. 
So that's one. 

642
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:42,600
There's also knowing Labs which 
sends you a blood spot home 

643
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
test. 
That you can do to look at 

644
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,000
inflammatory markers and some 
key lab test hormonal tests as 

645
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000
well. 
It's knowing knowing knowing 

646
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:02,200
labs.com and also lab test.com 
and so I think that ability to 

647
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,900
order and test and monitor your 
own Vibes is critically 

648
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:07,500
important. 
It's empowering. 

649
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:12,700
I equate that to the Middle Ages
when the common people weren't 

650
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:16,000
able to The Bible wasn't 
translated from Latin into 

651
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,900
English. 
And when it finally was that 

652
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:24,600
there was prosecution. 
So it is important to understand

653
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,200
our physiology. 
And if part of that is is lab 

654
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,000
testing, then as a consumer, we 
need to be able to test 

655
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,600
voluntarily and I think there 
are four key lab test that every

656
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,600
person should know and monitor 
to the point of optimization and

657
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,700
and that can be done. 
Done at any, you know, you can 

658
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,500
get the results in 24, 48 hours,
from from, I need blood draw, 

659
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,100
you know, any lab but be able to
order those tests yourself to 

660
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,000
get it done because it's not 
part of standard practice and 

661
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,200
those four tests being what? 
I'm sure CRP is one of them. 

662
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,100
Yep. 
HS CRP, highly sensitive CRP, 

663
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,800
not straight CRP C-reactive 
protein. 

664
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,200
So sometimes it's called a chess
or highly sensitive or it can be

665
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,300
called cardio, CR P. 
So that is We want that number 

666
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:20,700
at one or less. 
And so, I one time, examined. 

667
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,500
The patient. 
You come to me, after seeing all

668
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,600
her doctors and just had seen me
as her GYN and I looked. 

669
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,900
And I said, you looked at that 
and said you look terrible. 

670
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,700
I said, what's going on because 
I just don't feel good. 

671
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,600
I've been to the internist and 
I'm a family physician and I 

672
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,300
said, well, you know, and I ran 
a series of hormones, of course,

673
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:44,100
thyroid and Iran. 
That HS CRP her Eh, her 

674
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,700
inflammatory marker was over 
100, I Center. 

675
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,700
And I thought point, I centered 
in hematology. 

676
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,300
She had metastatic cancer and 
she'd been struggling for years.

677
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:57,100
If that was a test that every 
woman and man, monitored, 

678
00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,200
periodically, you would see when
inflammation is happening in 

679
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,000
your body and we can work 
against that diet and lifestyle 

680
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,600
supplementation. 
There are some key supplements 

681
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,100
to help with that too. 
But HS CRP so know that number 

682
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,200
and the second is your vitamin 
D. 25 hydroxy. 

683
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,500
Without vitamin D, healthy 
amounts of vitamin D on board. 

684
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,800
Our hormones aren't as 
responsive. 

685
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,500
They don't work as well. 
And that includes oxytocin, 

686
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,400
progesterone vitamin D. 
Deficiency is a huge problem. 

687
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200
We have to support, you know, we
can supplement with vitamin D. 

688
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,700
But we have to get outside. 
We have to get sun on our skin 

689
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:37,400
without any sun, blocks, or 
creams, or lotions. 

690
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,300
And we need to get sun in our 
eyes and sunrise and sunset. 

691
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,600
We need to get in. 
Sure. 

692
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,100
So vitamin D 25 hydroxy, and 
then the third test is your 

693
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,800
hemoglobin A1c. 
The marker of glycated 

694
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,400
hemoglobin. 
Essentially, how much, how well 

695
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,700
is, our blood sugar controlled 
over time. 

696
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,800
And that your doctor won't flag 
that tool that's above 6, but 

697
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,000
it's going up to get 26, right? 
So, it starts somewhere, most of

698
00:40:07,008 --> 00:40:10,400
us start with healthy. 
Hemoglobin A1c levels, unless 

699
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,800
your childhood to diabesity or 
something. 

700
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,300
So, I mean, Deities, diabesity 
to but diabetes and so a 

701
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:22,100
hemoglobin, A1c needs to be 
below 5.3. 

702
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,300
Anything above 5.3 needs to be 
actively worked on and we want 

703
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,100
to see it down below five. 
Ideally. 

704
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,900
So let's that's one. 
And then the fourth one that I 

705
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:35,000
love is the DHEA is a marker of 
the adrenal glands. 

706
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,400
And when we're looking in the 
blood, we need the DHEA sulfate.

707
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,000
So faded DHEA, and that's a 
better marker and that tells us 

708
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,400
how well our adrenals are. 
Are are supporting our our 

709
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,100
hormone production. 
How well we're responding to 

710
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,300
stress how you know, gives you a
glimpse of what's happening with

711
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,500
the HPA axis. 
And we want to optimize that 

712
00:40:54,500 --> 00:41:00,300
number, and women up to 200 
around, 200 men around 300 and, 

713
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,900
and see those healthy levels. 
And I would add a fifth one 

714
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:07,100
because of the work that dr. 
Perlmutter brought to life. 

715
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,300
And to my Awareness on uric 
acid. 

716
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,300
I would check a York acid level 
and get that below 4.4. 

717
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:19,400
So, so those are like, those are
actually the five markers that 

718
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,400
are really valuable and it gives
you an idea. 

719
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200
I would say, takes more than 
hormones to fix our hormones. 

720
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,400
Were so focused on what's going 
on with estrogen and 

721
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,000
testosterone and we're missing, 
we're missing the, the key 

722
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,600
longevity hormones drivers. 
I believe me. 

723
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,100
I'm a big, I created 
bioidentical hormone replacement

724
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,800
and compounds and things. 
Then I'm a big believer in 

725
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,200
bioidentical hormone. 
But it takes more than hormones 

726
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,000
to fix her hormones. 
So sure. 

727
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,700
No, I'm surprised that testing 
for hormones wasn't on that list

728
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:54,500
of five there. 
But but that makes sense that if

729
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,700
people with regard to testing 
for hormones, I think we talked 

730
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,600
about this a little bit on the 
last podcast, but are there 

731
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,100
certain markers that people are 
seeing? 

732
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:08,900
That makes them a viable 
candidate for bioidentical 

733
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,300
hormones, or should people 
always just kind of like before 

734
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,500
they even go that round to look 
towards? 

735
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,100
Using their lifestyle factors. 
Obviously, like, for guys, for 

736
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,500
instance, if they're super 
stressed and not sleep, in their

737
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,100
testosterone, is going to take a
very acute drop. 

738
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,400
So getting that dialed in is 
going to be key. 

739
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,500
At what point do people become 
good, candidates for 

740
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:32,000
bioidentical hormones. 
I'm definitely sometimes. 

741
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,800
We need to use them as a crutch 
while we're working on the 

742
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,500
lifestyle factors, but I'm my 
medical practice. 

743
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,300
I have retired by medical 
clinic, but in my medical 

744
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:43,500
practice my clients that I was 
prescribing. 

745
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:47,000
Months before it was always a 
deal that you have to do this 

746
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
detox. 
You have to work on this 

747
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,800
lifestyle factors, you have to 
and I want to see these 

748
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,100
Improvement in these other 
biomarkers. 

749
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,000
Otherwise, I'm not doing you any
good but simply prescribing 

750
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,900
hormones. 
It has to be combined and that 

751
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:05,900
was that's part of that was part
of my that's why my patients did

752
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:08,900
so well Robert. 
I mean that really is because 

753
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,500
it's not just about what I'm 
writing a Prescription Pad. 

754
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,500
It's about the lifestyle that 
we're I'm supporting my 

755
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:18,100
patients, encouraging my 
patients to have and so I 

756
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:21,900
typically would start with 
adrenal support and adaptogenic 

757
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:23,600
support. 
So my My Team Aqua plus 

758
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,000
combination and save me. 
And I use that to help clients 

759
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,900
naturally improve their 
progesterone and DHEA, which are

760
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,400
is precursor to estrogen and 
testosterone and then I would 

761
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,500
supplement with progesterone, 
bioidentical progesterone and 

762
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,900
women. 
I look at a cycle day 21, 

763
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,500
bioidentical progesterone, 
progesterone, level and post. 

764
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,600
Possibly, I simply supplement 
with bioidentical progesterone 

765
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,500
and Pregnant alone, and I've 
combined that in my balance 

766
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:53,100
cream. 
And so there's a combination of 

767
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:57,500
progesterone and pregnenolone. 
These precursor mother hormones.

768
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:03,100
And and then from there looking 
at, you know, DHEA again further

769
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:07,500
optimizing our natural glandular
production and supporting 

770
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:11,800
estrogen and testosterone. 
I don't like to supplement too 

771
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,200
young and certainly not for or 
long term because there's 

772
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,900
something going on. 
I want to revive a varying 

773
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:21,200
function and then I want to 
revive testicular function. 

774
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:24,600
I don't want to suppress their 
normal function. 

775
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:28,500
I want to, I want to, you know, 
improve a kitchen, the 

776
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,800
underlying reason like you said,
sleep stress, keep things that 

777
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
are affecting our natural 
hormone production. 

778
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Because when we do supplement, 
we can negatively feedback to 

779
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,500
our organs telling them, you 
know, I don't need you anymore. 

780
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:46,700
And that's going to have 
consequences and we will see 

781
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:52,300
that play out over time and with
with a significant amount of 

782
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:54,100
hormone replacement that's going
on. 

783
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:57,700
I always look at it as 
supportive hormone replacement 

784
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:01,000
versus suppressive hormone 
replacement. 

785
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:06,500
Again, there's time time and 
place for for that but yet 

786
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,300
that's notthat's. 
Not addressing the underlying, 

787
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,400
we have to always address the 
underlying issues. 

788
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,500
Is it heavy metal toxicity? 
Is it mold? 

789
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,700
Is it stress? 
Is it? 

790
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:20,300
You know, what else is going on?
That's causing this problem. 

791
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,900
Are you working predominantly 
with females? 

792
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:24,500
Are you working with with guys, 
as well? 

793
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:28,100
I work with both men and women 
and men and at now, I do 

794
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,700
position to position consults. 
So I consult with certain 

795
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:37,600
clinics, longevity clinics, and 
you know, individuals providers,

796
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:42,300
especially cancer, you know, 
complicated cases like cancer 

797
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:47,400
patients and Optimizing them to.
I've worked with both men and 

798
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,300
women over the years and the 
last podcast that we did. 

799
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:54,100
We Dove deep into the hormonal 
cycles and fluctuations as women

800
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,300
are going through menopause. 
What's happened to estrogen 

801
00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:00,300
progesterone? 
What's happening on the, on the 

802
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,300
guys side of the spectrum? 
Like when as they age are, there

803
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,500
are they experiencing 
fluctuations? 

804
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:08,500
Or what's a typical trajectory 
from a hormonal standpoint. 

805
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:12,800
For guys, definitely drives. 
The hormones are going to start 

806
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,500
to decline. 
DHEA from Men's starts decline 

807
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:17,800
in their mid to late 20s as 
well. 

808
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:22,700
And we'll see a decline in and 
all of the reproductive hormones

809
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:26,000
progesterone testosterone as a 
man ages. 

810
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,700
However, very much more 
gradually than for a woman for 

811
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:35,100
women, the transition 35 to 55 
is pretty significant and for 

812
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:39,800
men. 
It's really a gradual change, 

813
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,900
but yet still around age 50, 
right? 

814
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:44,700
We're seeing this, we're seeing 
Shift. 

815
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:49,200
And, and sometimes it's not so 
much even about the production 

816
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,300
of hormones. 
It's about the conversion like 

817
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,900
four men converting from 
testosterone to 

818
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:57,200
dihydrotestosterone, further 
depleting their testosterone 

819
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,000
levels and because cortisol will
increase the enzymatic. 

820
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Conversion 5 Alpha, hide five, 
Alpha hydroxylase, that converts

821
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,600
testosterone to 
dihydrotestosterone and so So 

822
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
sometimes it's that causing a 
depletion of the testosterone 

823
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,600
and we need to block that enzyme
when we can do that with 

824
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,100
supplements. 
For example, zinc to block that 

825
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:27,700
conversion, but we'll see that 
we'll see that transition just 

826
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:32,000
not much more gradually and that
taking them into we call it the 

827
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,500
andropause right? 
And Andrew puzzle time frame. 

828
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:41,500
And we see that around age 50 
sometimes earlier and certainly 

829
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,600
into their 60s and 70s. 
What kind of blood work panel? 

830
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Should a guy get as far as 
hormones coming, a lot of them? 

831
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,900
They're going, they'll get like 
a just a very simple. 

832
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,700
Generic total testosterone test,
but that doesn't really show 

833
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,100
free testosterone sex, 
hormone-binding globulin. 

834
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,700
There's a lot of variables that 
are not shown in just that total

835
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:03,400
test, you know, lab draw. 
What, what would you recommend 

836
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,100
for guys that are one demise 
those? 

837
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000
What number should look nice. 
We have a whole list. 

838
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,100
Yeah, and, you know, I look at a
full panel for guys, as well as 

839
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,800
for women. 
It's my VIP Elite panel, and I 

840
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,200
have that I can give you the 
link for that, but to look at 

841
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,800
it. 
Basically, it's like, I'm going 

842
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,800
to look at four and I'm looking 
at someone's health and I'm 

843
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,600
looking at there, for example, 
sexual health, and sexual 

844
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,800
function. 
I'm looking at the entire 

845
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,900
picture. 
So, I'm looking at a cardio 

846
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,500
lipoprotein panel or Berkeley. 
Heart Labs cholesterol 

847
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,500
breakdown. 
I want to look at what pattern 

848
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:41,300
is a pattern, a pattern B. 
All I'm keep your numbers ideal.

849
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:46,500
I want to know the breakdown and
so I look at a Berkeley heart 

850
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,100
lab. 
Hmm. 

851
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,800
Sorry about that. 
I'm Berkeley heart, lab panel 

852
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,500
and cart. 
So looking at the cholesterol 

853
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,700
and looking at the hormones, 
looking at pregnenolone 

854
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,700
progesterone. 
DHEA is testosterone, free 

855
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,800
testosterone, 
dihydrotestosterone. 

856
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,500
Those are all part of the, an 
estrogen, a total estrogens, as 

857
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,900
well as estradiol in a man to 
because I want to see what 

858
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,800
they're converting from 
testosterone to estrogen to and 

859
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,100
especially if I am going to 
supplement. 

860
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,300
I don't want to cry. 
You know, I've seen so many 

861
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:26,500
patients that have been 
supplement. 

862
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,600
So many men who have been 
supplemented with testosterone 

863
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,300
or even DHEA, but they were 
never looking at the conversion.

864
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,600
So they get, you know, they 
start to get belly fat and man 

865
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,300
boobs with all those moves. 
So we start to see that happen 

866
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,200
and that should never have 
happened to begin with. 

867
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,500
You have to look at s, you have 
to look at the entire hormonal 

868
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,400
picture in men. 
Just like you do in women to 

869
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,600
see. 
Where is it going? 

870
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,100
How's it converting, what? 
You know what? 

871
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,500
Testosterone converting to. 
It also tells me about the 

872
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:58,900
genetics and the environment and
the lifestyle, and those are 

873
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,700
things we can, you know, we can 
invite, we can modify 

874
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:03,500
environment. 
Diet and lifestyle. 

875
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,100
Is there, like any red flag, 
like someone go. 

876
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:10,900
If some guy goes and gets a, you
know, hormone panel. 

877
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,500
Is there any marker like this, 
say, they feel great. 

878
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,700
There's not many issues and how 
they feel, they seem to be 

879
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:19,900
recovering fine, not having any 
issues with strength or any 

880
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:22,700
events. 
Is there like a Add a number at 

881
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:25,100
which anything beneath that 
becomes a red flag to you? 

882
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:26,900
Or is it totally just 
case-by-case dependent? 

883
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:29,700
And there's if they feel great, 
it's less indicative to what the

884
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:33,500
numbers are showing, you know, I
bet I love this expression, 

885
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:36,300
treat the patient, not the labs,
right? 

886
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:40,100
Treat the patient, not the lab. 
So there's, you know, that with 

887
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:45,000
good, Clint the art of medicine.
So like for men, like I've seen 

888
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:47,100
clients with way too high 
testosterone. 

889
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,400
I wasn't course they feel 
amazing, but that's not going to

890
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,000
last for the long. 
Grunts. 

891
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,800
Oh, so we have to look at that. 
So I look at week. 

892
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,100
I'm looking at a total 
testosterone 600 to 1000 in men 

893
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:02,600
and it breaks my heart when guys
are lingering around 400 feeling

894
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,200
terrible and they're not being 
replaced or supplemented or 

895
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,400
detox or, you know, you know, 
given instruction on how to 

896
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,700
improve it. 
The hit exercise is straight As 

897
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:14,600
training. 
Everything that you teach, 

898
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,200
right? 
You want to optimize their 

899
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,300
testosterone level and and 
support them. 

900
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,300
You can support it. 
I would support. 

901
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:26,100
With again trying to get the 
body to make its own 

902
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,900
testosterone. 
So supporting with glandulars 

903
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:34,700
like adrenal adaptogen. 
Sorry adrenal, adaptogen psych 

904
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:39,500
Maka my mighty Lanka plas and 
support with DHEA if needed and 

905
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,000
then also top-down would 
pregnenolone. 

906
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,400
I use that a lot in guys to as 
well as progesterone to help did

907
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,000
like good night's sleep to help 
them naturally produce more 

908
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,200
testosterone as well. 
So I would look at it. 

909
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,200
I would come at it that way and 
then free testosterone levels 

910
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,300
above. 
You know, for guys, it me really

911
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,700
getting healthy free 
testosterone levels and depends 

912
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:03,600
on your lab. 
But, you know, it towards the 

913
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,500
higher end, getting those 
levels. 

914
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:10,500
And then again looking and DHEA 
sulfate, we want those numbers 

915
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:14,300
to be higher closer to 300 in 
guys and making sure that we're 

916
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:18,500
getting getting them in the 
upper, the upper, the upper 

917
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:20,900
limit for their age, right? 
We don't want to be normal. 

918
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:24,300
We want to be Optimal. 
So those are some some pieces 

919
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:28,600
that I like to look at for sure.
And DHEA is not something that 

920
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,200
people just need to go out by 
off the counter and then just 

921
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,800
randomly start supplementing at 
nauseam. 

922
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,100
Right? 
Right. 

923
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,800
You have to watch that. 
You definitely do. 

924
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,300
Because again, if you're 
supplementing with a lot of DHA,

925
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:40,800
you're telling your adrenals, 
they don't have to work right. 

926
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,900
Then I have to show up but we 
may need that for the short 

927
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,800
term. 
It can certainly instantly as we

928
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,400
get older. 
It is one of the more regular 

929
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,300
supplements that I do but I do 
it in a transdermal. 

930
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,800
Cuz I'm using that in my for my 
females in my Java cream. 

931
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:02,700
So topically for female health 
and I find that is an 

932
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:06,000
incredible, incredibly 
beneficial supplement and 

933
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,200
there's different ways. 
You can take DHEA. 

934
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,700
But you really again you want to
watch an incorrect and this is 

935
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,100
where adaptogen scum into more 
play mean. 

936
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:19,500
Turmeric Resveratrol Maka care, 
certain cats, caught herb 

937
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,000
extracts like grape seed 
extract. 

938
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,500
Green tea extract. 
These are things that help 

939
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:29,300
support your body's natural. 
Production of your hormones. 

940
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:34,500
So I definitely go to the plant 
space for that, too. 

941
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,000
What about dim? 
I see a lot of people 

942
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
supplementing, with dim. 
And I forget the acronym there. 

943
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,800
It's like dimethyl. 
I'll butcher. 

944
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,400
If I try, I had died and gone 
missing. 

945
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:47,200
Yes, really? 
It's it's really concentrated in

946
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,900
like cruciferous vegetables, 
broccoli, things of that nature.

947
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,200
Is that something that I think 
correct me if I'm wrong. 

948
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,300
But males and females that 
consume that They're basically 

949
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:01,600
getting the opposite effect, but
it's beneficial to both, right? 

950
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:03,600
It's definitely beneficial to 
both. 

951
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,800
It's really there to support 
with estrogen detoxification. 

952
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,600
And it's been really well 
studied. 

953
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000
I initially found research on it
over 15 years ago. 

954
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,800
Out of Johns Hopkins, looking at
dim on hormone on hormonal. 

955
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,100
Cancers, for instance, and found
that it was very beneficial to 

956
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:25,500
supplement. 
So, yeah, from broccoli seed 

957
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:31,300
extract from RNR cruciferous 
vegetables, one of the reasons I

958
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:35,700
love using broccoli sprout in my
menus and in my cooking recipes 

959
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:43,600
because of that, that superpower
So that's something that's like 

960
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,500
someone's just eaten a bunch of 
Brock this not listen, they're 

961
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:48,400
going to have to worry about 
overconsumption of you're not 

962
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,500
going to get overconsumption and
sometime definitely if there's 

963
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,500
looking at estrogen 
detoxification markers. 

964
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:59,700
So there's urine and blood 
metabolites of estrogen, 24, and

965
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:03,300
16 hydroxy, estrogen 
metabolites, and methoxy 

966
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,100
estrogen metabolites. 
And looking at those numbers. 

967
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,300
You can really say, okay. 
I need more dim. 

968
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:12,700
I need more support around this 
or Doing great with my dietary 

969
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:15,900
pattern right now and that's 
definitely worth looking at. 

970
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:19,500
I think anyone who is 
supplementing with hormones, 

971
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:25,000
particularly, estrogen and 
testosterone should make sure 

972
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,100
that we're looking at estrogen 
detoxification markers and that 

973
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,000
that's true for both men and 
women. 

974
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:32,300
I think that's very helpful to 
see. 

975
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:36,600
Okay, you know, what, what's our
body producing and or receiving 

976
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,900
and how is your body getting rid
of these things too, so Even 

977
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,100
more important than how much is 
being produced. 

978
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,900
It's how are we metabolizing it?
And then supplement accordingly.

979
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:50,900
Okay, we maybe need more 
supplementation perimenopause 

980
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:53,700
menopause and patients with 
breast cancer, history of 

981
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:59,700
cancer, abnormal mammograms. 
I supplement heavily would dim 

982
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:04,800
and typically 100 to 200 
milligrams or more per day is 

983
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,700
your particular brand that you 
recommend. 

984
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:10,900
I use signage in, for my dim 
sum. 

985
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:12,500
Annotation. 
And I like some of the 

986
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:16,700
combinations on my website, my 
products and full, which is a 

987
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:21,700
hormone balancing combination 
for PMS and menopausal symptoms 

988
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:27,700
that has dim in it also and and 
otherwise I use zymogens and you

989
00:56:27,707 --> 00:56:30,700
know, there are few different. 
So zymogens whole script. 

990
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:32,800
You can get that from Whole 
scripts right now. 

991
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:37,600
Yeah, and their standard process
is a good brand designs for 

992
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600
health, or nor all good brands 
that I've used. 

993
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,400
And you mentioned, you have a, 
like, a recommended blood panel 

994
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,800
test on your site. 
That people can do, it's not on 

995
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,800
my site, because I usually just 
give it in my private groups, 

996
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,000
like my magic menopause groups, 
but it's at, I'll put the link 

997
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:55,600
here. 
Out. 

998
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,500
The lab tests plural.com. 
/dr. 

999
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:06,300
So for dr. 
Anika bekasi, abec a two ends 

1000
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:09,300
and Anna. 
So Ulta lab test.com Port slash 

1001
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,400
doctoring and akka Becca. 
And Take you to my recommended 

1002
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,200
test where I would take the send
my clients and the elite panel 

1003
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,000
is the one that I wish everyone 
could get, you know, male and 

1004
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,800
female for comprehensive 
analysis, includes a red blood 

1005
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,800
cell magnesium, which is, which 
is critical. 

1006
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,500
So it's different than a serum 
magnesium or looking at red 

1007
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,300
blood cell magnesium and other 
inflammatory markers that are 

1008
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,900
very and Powerful like a 
homocysteine level in it. 

1009
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:40,800
Your HSC RP things that aren't 
part of routine. 

1010
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,700
Lab draws. 
So, but our key biomarkers to 

1011
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:50,800
tell you what we need to address
in our nutrition plan and our 

1012
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,300
environment. 
And how often would you 

1013
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:56,300
recommend getting these? 
Like once, like annually depends

1014
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:59,900
on your results. 
If you're doing great, then do 

1015
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:00,600
it. 
Annually. 

1016
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,400
If you're not, then I would 
follow up on those key markers 

1017
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,900
that are abnormal, or repeated 
again, in six months to see a 

1018
00:58:08,908 --> 00:58:13,100
different, nice, nice. 
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm a junkie for

1019
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,900
Dennis. 
So like I'm gonna get this blood

1020
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,400
drawn because I'm going to start
a competition prep here soon, 

1021
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,900
and a prep always has a profound
impact on all my blood markers. 

1022
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:25,400
So it's always interesting for 
me to kind of do a test pre and 

1023
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,300
post competition prep. 
So I'll be I'll be checking in 

1024
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:29,500
and getting one of these tests 
your soon. 

1025
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:32,700
I'll let me know. 
I want to see your results and 

1026
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:36,000
I'm definitely doing that too. 
Because as we launch menu pies, 

1027
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,500
we are going to, I'm going 
through with all my clients to 

1028
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,300
and coming out of A stressful, 
book launch. 

1029
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,800
I dread to look at my labs. 
Yeah, I mean it's crazy how big 

1030
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,400
of an impact stress levels have 
on blood work. 

1031
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,200
Like I it's hard to I don't get 
test drawing has frequent that 

1032
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,200
probably should because not know
just I'm just busy, but I'd be 

1033
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,000
curious to for me to test like 
right after a product launch or 

1034
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,700
like a business deal versus 
after a month or so of you know,

1035
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,100
pretty Carefree living. 
I feel like that that alone 

1036
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:09,800
would have a black-and-white 
difference. 

1037
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,000
It's interesting for sure. 
Well, where can people go to 

1038
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,900
learn more about your book 
menopause? 

1039
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:20,200
You say that's publishing April 
12. 

1040
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,500
It is publishing April 12th. 
Yep, so that will be announced 

1041
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:28,000
by the time this podcast is out.
So where do people go to jump on

1042
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,700
that? 
So any where books are sold for 

1043
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:34,700
sure, Amazon, it's already 
number one on Amazon. 

1044
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:39,700
I'm so getting to the top of new
releases and Barnes and Nobles. 

1045
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,200
Local bookstore. 
I highly encourage that, and 

1046
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,300
come back to my book page at dr.
Anna.com, and put in, we've got 

1047
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,500
a bunch of bonuses, extra 
bonuses to support you going 

1048
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:54,500
through menopause, your menu, 
pause journey, and it's super 

1049
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,000
fun. 
And it's definitely a great book

1050
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,000
to gift to someone that you want
to make smile because great 

1051
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,800
recipes, beautiful color 
photography, and simple plans 

1052
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,000
plus of really funding. 
So yeah. 

1053
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,600
Yeah. 
I love it. 

1054
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,200
We have left. 
Well, I've gotten nothing but 

1055
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:12,000
Feedback from the last podcast 
we did together. 

1056
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,800
So I've got no doubt. 
This one will be a huge value. 

1057
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,100
Add for people listening. 
Just keep doing what you're 

1058
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,600
doing. 
I mean, you you're making waves 

1059
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,800
and impact the people in ways. 
You don't even realize. 

1060
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,100
Thank you. 
Thank you for having me back. 

1061
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:24,500
You bet anytime. 
You are. 

1062
01:00:24,508 --> 01:00:26,900
Welcome anytime. 
Have a good one and talk soon. 

1063
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,300
Thank you. 
You too.