1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Well hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,800 and today I've got special guest Michael Letty on the podcast. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,200 He is an ultra endurance athlete. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,840 He's been running putting some serious miles. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,880 He just got done doing a basically 100 kilometer run not 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,040 too long ago leveraging A ketogenic diet. 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,520 He has battled with epileptic seizures for the majority of his 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,400 life and he has adopted A ketogenic way of eating and 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,240 lifestyle to combat those seizures. 10 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:28,600 So I really wanted to just pick his brain as to what he's found 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,280 in himself having gone through that. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,160 How he's been able to benefit from a keto drink diet, How he's 13 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,640 been able to incorporate a keto drink diet in tandem with his 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,280 endurance running endeavours. So very enjoyable podcast, 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,320 learned a ton of getting no debt that you will take something 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,400 from this. So that further delay, sit back, 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:57,760 relax, enjoy the conversation with Michael Letty and we are 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,240 live. Michael, how are you Sir? 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,280 I am good. Thank you. 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,200 Honored to be here. Hey, I'm excited to be chatting 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,080 with you, man. Excited to be chatting with you. 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,320 So you are a you're a beast when it comes to all things endurance 23 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,520 sports, man, Like you just got done doing. 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,200 It was called the The Two. It was a 200 kilometer 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,600 temptations round was what it was called, right? 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,640 That's correct. And the idea was that it was a 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,080 16 mile loop that you would you could keep running. 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,880 And the idea is were you tempted to do another loop of 16 miles? 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Could you do another 16 miles to get farther and farther? 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,800 And you know I had a goal to I was running with a friend but 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,640 been nagging me for months to get and do this. 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,040 And I'm like, I I this doesn't sound fun. 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,400 This is Type 3 fun. Never was a good idea. 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,880 Never was fun. Wasn't fun after, but cool to 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,480 do. And finally a case of events. 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,600 I, I, I, I said yes. And he was like OK, I've already 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,880 your ticket. Oh my God. 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,960 OK. Like we're going into the middle 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:10,400 of, we're going 4 hours South of Chicago to a place in Illinois 40 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:16,840 and called Habana and the small State Park and this had, you 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,160 know, had from how it had sand in it, which I'm from the West 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,360 Coast or from California. So I I just didn't understand 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 how there's sand in a forest in Illinois. 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 But from my understanding, it was a glacial deposit. 45 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,800 And we, you know, we checked it out the day before see what we 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,400 were doing. We started at, I think it was a 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,520 it was a 4:00 AM run and you know how far and how long could 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,120 you go? You know my goal was to do 12 49 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,520 hours. I'd never run this kind of 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,200 distance. My friend had done a 50 Miller 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,120 and I had, I think I had the pardons. 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,800 I had done this 30 miles at that time. 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,680 And so I was like, OK, your pacing. 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,520 My friend is a lot taller than me. 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,400 He's 6-7. Well, just a little under a foot 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,520 taller. So when he walks I still have to 57 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,200 kind of jog and I'm looking at it like, OK, let's let's see 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,920 where this where this goes. Let's just do it. 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,640 And it was, it was quite an adventure, you know. 60 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,880 And that's kind of where where I came came to you. 61 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:19,760 I I had heard about your bricks and your keto bricks. 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,240 I've been using your keto bricks having been on the Ketogenic for 63 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,920 six years. And you know, I I need someone 64 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:31,720 who is actually well versed in keto, which is harder to find 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,120 than I anticipated, especially when it comes to endurance. 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:42,720 You know, just what do I do that that really, that was a big help 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,120 to be able to reach out to you and get an instant response and 68 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 just be like, OK, there's a game plan here. 69 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,560 I tried. That was my big. 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,880 I don't ever claim to be an endurance specialist by any 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,880 means, but I know a lot of people that that are in the 72 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,440 endurance sport and follow a Kitty genic lifestyle so I can 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,960 throw a few pointers your way, but running like that distance 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,040 man is no freaking joke. Are have you always been into 75 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,600 running? I know you said that the longest 76 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,760 you've done prior to that was about 30 miles, but have you 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,600 always been interested in just running in general? 78 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,760 You know, my growing up, I grew up in Marin County, just north 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,440 of the Golden Gate Bridge here in the Bay Area. 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,760 And growing up, you know, I had never done more than five miles 81 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,480 till I was 25. So it was, it was always I did 82 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,960 track throughout high school, did football, did basketball. 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,720 So everything was, you know, very quick. 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,840 You know, you have a lot of quick speed and then you're 85 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,120 done. So I never, even with running in 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,200 track, I'd never done more than a 400 for a race which is 1 lap 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,000 around the track. So I was like, you know what 88 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,560 what what kind of changed was, I mean I guess, you know, out of 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,960 all the things that went wrong with COVID, there were some good 90 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,000 things. And you know, starting to run 91 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400 was distance was a great thing for me. 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,240 And that's that's kind of where it started. 93 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,800 You know, we're kind of locked up here and I was living in San 94 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Francisco at the time, still AM. And you know what? 95 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,840 What can I do? It's like, OK, I know how to run 96 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,440 short, but like, how do I keep running and keep running? 97 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,120 And it just, it started with going running to the track, 98 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,440 doing the track workout and running back. 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,560 And then it's like, OK, let's progress this a little. 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,520 Start with three miles, 5 miles. Next thing it's 7 miles. 101 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,080 And this took months. And then it's like, OK, wow, I I 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,800 actually feel pretty good here. And I do 10 and that's kind of 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,680 where it just started from there for for my sake at least, but to 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,480 backtrack a little. Sorry, go ahead. 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Running like like I said, I'm not an endurance athlete by any 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,280 stretch of the imagination. But running is such a mental 107 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:47,720 sport. Like, especially when you're 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,720 doing an endurance running, when you're going for miles on end, 109 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,680 you have to just dig down into some deep, dark place in your 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,080 mind to keep going forward. And I love campaigns. 111 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,000 I love David Goggins. I love like where they take 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,320 themselves mentally to go that next mile. 113 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,320 So the fact that this race was structured such that it was a 16 114 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 mile loop and every time you crested that 16 mile mark you 115 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 had the option to do it again or not like that is it's kind of 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,360 like this built in psychological suck factor where it's like 117 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,680 testing. Oh, totally. 118 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Well said. You know, it's really just like 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,640 I could be done, but am I done? You know, that's kind of the 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,760 question. You know, you have to ask 121 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,720 yourself and you really kind of you're beating yourself up after 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,520 you cross that finish line. I mean I think there was a, you 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,840 know we're we're not running fast. 124 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:34,640 The the whole point is not to run fast. 125 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,040 It's all about duration And after an hour, just a couple 126 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,760 hours, 3 hours, you know, you're like, OK, I'm, I'm still feeling 127 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,600 all right. You know, 5-6 hours, you're 128 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,320 like, I'm talking to my friends still we're having a 129 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,960 conversation. We still like each other. 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,400 We're still running together, you know, 12 hours. 131 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,280 You're like, oh man, this is brutal. 132 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,560 What are what are we doing this for? 133 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,120 You know the mental games like you said is really can you do 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,440 another loop? You know can you go another 4 135 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,840 miles, You know this kind of curveball thrown into us during 136 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,360 the race of hey, there's these small these hills but they're 137 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,120 sanded. So you're like running on a 138 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,240 hilled beach and you're like OK this is this is not fun by any 139 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,920 stretch. Like let's let's get past this. 140 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,040 But every little bit it's just you know as you've talked about 141 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,200 recently you know with meditation it's it's trying to 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,240 be present and not thinking about the anguish that it's 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,200 going to happen in the next hour. 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,440 I'm going to be here for this long. 145 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,760 It's just trying to really stay focused on the moment and that 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,880 got harder and harder as as the race went on. 147 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,760 But that also as as you've discussed many times, you know 148 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,960 it's like doing these hard things. 149 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,880 How much you feel better after is was something that was so 150 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:55,480 cool to just kind of live and just really enjoy as you're 151 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,520 going you can kind of hear your hit the hit, the little 152 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,280 milestones. You're like, OK, I'm 32, I'm 48 153 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,560 and I'm like, wow, I'm all right. 154 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,600 And you know it's it didn't help that it was also like 90°. 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,120 We ran this on Labor Day weekend and you know there's humidity 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,680 too. Luckily we're shades shade 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,800 covered for quite a bit of it. But still it was, it was, it was 158 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,560 a lot of it was really a lot of pushing yourself and just to 159 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,400 back up a lot, just to back up a bit here. 160 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Why was I doing this, what this meant mentally to me? 161 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,840 You know, I I've for 20 years I've been diagnosed with 162 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:43,120 epilepsy and I had gone through. I've been epileptic since I was 163 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,360 11 years old. So 2003 when I had my first 164 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 seizure and my friend I'm running with actually saw that 165 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,200 first seizure. I was with him. 166 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,800 We've been childhood friends and you know, over the years it's 167 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,200 been just trying to get, you know, I've been trying to. 168 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,640 My parents did a great job of just trying to let me live kind 169 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,000 of a normal life on that front. I was having seizures prior to 170 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,200 2012. I'll be growing up like every 7 171 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,960 to 12 days when they weren't these tonic, clonic or the, as 172 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,760 you hear the the grand Mal seizures. 173 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,920 At times there were some, but they were very, you know, these 174 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,680 I would be out of it. They're called partial complex 175 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,240 where I'm just staring and not can't hear anything and don't 176 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,640 remember. And as you know as time went on, 177 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,440 I was like looking back on it, maybe football shouldn't have 178 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,560 been the sport I played, but I did and I had a great time. 179 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,880 You know, I have a lot of memories from it. 180 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,800 Good memories. But building on the epilepsy bit 181 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,280 I, I, I, you know, I, I graduated college there. 182 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,520 Graduated to high school, you know, with SAD and seizures. 183 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,360 Went off to college had to come back because of the epilepsy. 184 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,600 Started to get a lot worse. And then I I looked at what are 185 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,000 my options here. I've taken a lot of medications. 186 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,880 OK what are what are options? I'm, you know, there's low, low 187 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,000 level depression at the time, you know, hey, I'm back at home 188 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,760 when everyone's at school, all the fun stuff of being a 189 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:22,920 teenager, late teenager. But I looked at, you know, doing 190 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:29,040 brain surgery and I was like, really, am I is this something I 191 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,040 can actually deal with or is it something I want to put forward? 192 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 But you know, I think with a lot of conversation at the time with 193 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:41,680 my parents and their support and just speaking to doctors, it was 194 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,640 probably my best option. And in 2012, I was 20 years old 195 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,280 and I had what's called AI, had a craniotomy to start, which is 196 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,240 where you open your head, open your skull. 197 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,200 And then I had, after a few days of sitting there waiting for a 198 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,080 seizure to happen, I had a multiple sub pouches. 199 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,840 It's called MST and the ideas that they're trying to read your 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,720 brain, my seizures start from a little focal point and they're 201 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,880 trying to you know cut off the from the source where the the 202 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,800 seizures would start and go to the rest of my brain. 203 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:20,960 And I did it and it and it worked for a year. 204 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,160 I thought it was cured. I didn't have any seizures and 205 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,000 this is going from two or three a month for a month to zero and 206 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,280 I was like whoa, this is really cool. 207 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,760 And in that time I I actually, due to my epilepsy, I never 208 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,400 actually drank growing up. I turned 21 like four months 209 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,200 after I had some alcohol on my 21st fun there. 210 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,800 But I moved on to a different college locally and lived with a 211 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:57,840 good friend of mine and I had After about a year and a half 212 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,840 later, I started to have these seizures again. 213 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,600 This was kind of a, you know, ebb and flow of my epilepsy 214 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,240 throughout college and after college. 215 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:12,600 And then weirdly enough I I sometimes do go skiing and had a 216 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,880 knee accident. I I was too cheap to put hiking 217 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,800 boots that were. I put them in a locker. 218 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,320 I put them in my backpack and went off a big ski jump and 219 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:29,240 actually broke my back. And in that moment I I, I, I had 220 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,800 a compression fracture. Didn't have surgery. 221 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,640 But recovering from that, I realized, OK, well, what is 222 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,360 something that I can control here to help with my epilepsy? 223 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,040 After my aunt was who's in the health, you know, gave me the 224 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,320 book called Brain Grain. And that book, you know, just 225 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,880 discussed the ketogenic diet in a different manner and how 226 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,600 maybe, you know, this has been used for many years and this is 227 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,320 something maybe to look toward. And I was like, OK, this is 228 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,680 something that I can do with my epilepsy. 229 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,680 It's not a pill. It's something that I can 230 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:06,440 control and let's let's, let's try it. 231 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,760 You know why not? What do I have to lose at this 232 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:16,120 point? So I started Inject diet in 2017 233 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:24,960 and I went epilepsy free for a little over 2 years and it was 234 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:31,440 amazing, crazy that this diet you know just changing how what 235 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,520 you eat. And I mean that seems, you know 236 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,760 you hear it in many different forms now being in 2024. 237 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,360 But then it was it wasn't as much talked about. 238 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,080 I mean I could relate to you. You started in 20/20/2014. 239 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,440 That's crazy. It was not even the thought of 240 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,080 Keto. I think on my end it was Luckily 241 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,120 I was writing the Keto trend was starting to become more popular 242 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,000 and that was that was something I'm grateful for, but it was. 243 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,160 When you were having these seizures on a you know, three or 244 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,640 four months, like how was that affecting you prior to the the 245 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,320 operation like were were you like I'm assuming that probably 246 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,600 you know, impacted your social environment like how how you 247 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,400 interact with people like what was the biggest implication of 248 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,960 that I guess during that chapter in your. 249 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,320 Life, High school, college, you know, And that chapter of your 250 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,480 life was mostly. I grew up, my dad worked in the 251 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,160 car industry. I loved cars. 252 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,640 We'd go to car shows. Just not being on the drive was 253 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,640 a big thing. I I didn't realize I would be 254 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,200 such a big thing. But also luckily I had really 255 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,040 good friends who I'd grown up with and had seen this. 256 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,200 So having a seizure wasn't. You know, I would say sorry 257 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,960 after and feel bad, but mostly just the thought that I would 258 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,080 have to be thinking constantly, OK, what am I doing here? 259 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,840 So I feel like I'm having a seizure. 260 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,040 It it was mostly just feeling kind of left out at times when 261 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,560 friends would go out and do stuff. 262 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,560 You know when I started to get out of college, you know, kids 263 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,120 would people, my friends would go out maybe party and do stuff 264 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,720 like that. And I was just like, I I 265 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,320 literally can't do that. I got to be better about that 266 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,480 and that was kind of the toughest portion that I didn't. 267 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,400 If I went, I would feel left out. 268 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,280 And granted I'm in late teens, early 20s, but I that was, that 269 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,320 was probably the toughest part of being left out. 270 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,760 When that started to become a big thing, when it was more, you 271 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,360 know, going out, going out at night, when I was like, this is 272 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,440 stuff that I I really can't partake in because it's just 273 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,040 going to affect my health the next day and the day after and 274 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440 the day after. Could you like pinpoint anything 275 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,240 that was an act that was acting as a catalyst for bringing the 276 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,520 seizures on? Like was there anything that you 277 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,760 would? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 278 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,560 There were a couple things. First was sleep deprivation. 279 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,320 If I had, you know, if I had lack of sleep, usually that was 280 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,600 kind of what would be a big trigger, dehydration. 281 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,800 So I was, you know, always carrying a water bottle with me. 282 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Still am to this day. I think nowadays most people do. 283 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,360 And last thing was heat. Like really getting warmer, like 284 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,680 doing hard exercise in in high heat and it really doesn't get 285 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,640 that warm. But you know when it's 80 plus 286 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,440 or 85 plus and you're running around the track and that brings 287 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 up the temperature. That was that was where I was 288 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,280 finding I had the most at and playing like basketball just 289 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,800 because it was so quick. You know, we get warm in a gym 290 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,960 and basketball was all the time. And I played for. 291 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,640 Sorry, Clive. When you were when you were 292 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,120 going through that chapter, like were you doing anything specific 293 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,240 with your nutrition or were you just kind of falling like a 294 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,080 standard American? Diet. 295 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,240 I didn't know anything. I was just same American diet. 296 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,760 You know, I I was eating anything before, before 2017. 297 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,480 I was just, I loved food and boy, I could consume it. 298 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,839 And you know, food had never crossed my mind as being, you 299 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,040 know, it's like take this medication, see how it feels. 300 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,200 You know, you did this big brain for surgery in 2012 and then 301 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,359 that worked and then then it was kind of like let's try a 302 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,200 different medication, kind of the typical, you know, way you 303 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,520 would deal with epilepsy from a typical American point, I should 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,080 say, you know, going through the healthcare system and when you 305 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,600 you try this, try this. Healthcare system and they they 306 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,880 did that procedure on you. Was there much discussion then 307 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,880 around nutrition at all, or was it pretty much? 308 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,760 No, no, absolutely not. You know, I look back at it 309 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,520 maybe in 20, 2000 and seven, 2008. 310 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,480 I'm seeing my neurologist in my, I think my mom asked about this 311 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,760 diet. And you know, my neurologist at 312 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,760 the time was like, oh, that that's that's too hard. 313 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,080 It's for children. I didn't realize it till years 314 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,440 later. She was asking about the 315 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,440 ketogenic because it was, you know, used on children, but 316 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,960 young children, not usually the teenagers. 317 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,120 So it was usually used on kids who had epilepsy that were 5-6 318 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:15,400 years old and under because moms or dads, parents could control 319 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,720 what the kid ate, but it got too hard. 320 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,400 That's what what was always said and. 321 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:21,560 Then when you. Crazy to think of. 322 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,160 Yeah, very crazy. And then after, after you had 323 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,760 your procedure and you went two years without having a seizure, 324 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,880 what, what was the the catalyst for that coming back and 325 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,880 returning? Because that probably came as a 326 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,920 shock to you having gone two years without a single one. 327 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Yeah. So having the surgery in 2012, 328 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,480 you know, and it was about a year and a half. 329 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 It was, you know, I thought it was pretty much seizure free. 330 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,760 I could do all this stuff that was supposedly the fun for 331 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,080 drinking, you know, going out and partying, that kind of 332 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,880 stuff. I I I thought there wasn't AI 333 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,920 really kind of put it in the back of my head, back of my 334 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,040 mind, like I don't have to worry about this stuff anymore. 335 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:05,440 And I'm 1920 at the time. So, you know, when they came 336 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,560 back, it was just kind of like, hey, you know, back to reality 337 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,680 here. Yeah, you're fun. 338 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,680 But now you got to focus on this. 339 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,200 And it wasn't even then. That was 20 late 2013. 340 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,440 So those four years I was just not nutrition doing decently. 341 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,320 My seizures were more controlled than they were prior to that 342 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,800 surgery, but they were still occurring. 343 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,320 And they would occur in flutters. 344 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,800 Like for instance, I would have one for I would have maybe five 345 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,320 or six in a three month, four month period and not have one 346 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,840 for two months, not having one for three months. 347 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,200 So it was a little, it was very unpredictable. 348 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,520 You know, I can do all these athletic things, but that was 349 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,040 always there that that might happen. 350 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,200 And you know, I'm, I'm from the 90s, The helicopter parent did 351 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,640 occur. I'm an only child. 352 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,600 So, you know, my parents were worried and rightfully so, 353 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,680 right. So, I mean, I'm getting with 354 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,960 epilepsy, you know, getting the phone call from a friend was 355 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,480 usually the, uh, oh, you know, let's go pick him up. 356 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Let's go get him like, Oh no. And that was an aspect that that 357 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,280 was just part of my life. It was just there. 358 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,000 I didn't know much else without it. 359 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,280 I've had it since 1111 years old. 360 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,920 So it was it wasn't till I got a bit older and had that skiing 361 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,040 accident you know and I I I think I just by help a little 362 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,760 more seriously which may be hard to kind of think about at this 363 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,040 at this day, this day and age. But at the time I was just 364 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,640 trying to live and just try to have just trying to be a person 365 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,000 and not really have that epilepsy control me I would say, 366 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,360 or control my actions, but then breaking my back. 367 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,440 When you've got, like that weight on your shoulders in the 368 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 back of your mind at all times, like you feel like you're not 369 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,400 able to take certain risks or not able to live to the fullest 370 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,720 because you've got that potential just constantly 371 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,640 weighing on you. But if you don't really know 372 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,360 what the catalyst for that seizure is or what you can do to 373 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,280 control it, it's like you always have to kind of move. 374 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,560 Forward. It's always in the back of your 375 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,800 head. Yeah, like, OK, if I do this 376 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,720 basketball here, we're gonna play some basketball. 377 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,400 But try to have fun, you know? And look at sometimes I have 378 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,920 like prior to a seizure, they're called an aura. 379 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,640 The feeling some people have very different. 380 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,400 Everyone seems to have a different little aspect of what 381 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,800 that aura feels like, almost say a metallic taste in your mouth. 382 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,800 For me, it's usually, I would describe it. 383 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,440 It's very hard to describe it as portion like having thoughts 384 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,000 that I can't think of unless I'm having a seizure. 385 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,200 Sometimes they just occur like that and I'm gone and I don't 386 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,920 remember anything. And yeah, I think, you know just 387 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:49,920 in the time I didn't know any better. 388 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,400 I just thought that was. That's just what it was. 389 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,040 So I didn't really have anything to compare it to. 390 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,400 Yes, my friends you could say, but in the moment I was just 391 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,920 like, OK, like I should be a little careful here but I wasn't 392 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 too, too controlled about doing that. 393 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,320 I should say I was. I was more in the moment just 394 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,840 like let's have fun. Let's OK, we're going to play a 395 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,000 game of basketball and then take it a little too far and like, 396 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,920 uh, oh, OK, I need to step back. Just give me a minute. 397 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,880 That's not a great way to answer your question, but it was just I 398 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,960 guess it's more just trying not to focus on this epilepsy as 399 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,480 being kind of a a ruler in my life. 400 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,840 Yeah, not totally. And when you started dabbling 401 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,360 into keto in 2017, like were you going? 402 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,640 Because when you look at how the ketogenic that was prescribed 403 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,320 for children with epilepsy, it was incredibly high fat. 404 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200 Yeah, 90% fat. Oh, it was incredible. 405 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,960 It was terrible. And I didn't look. 406 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,280 And I saw that. And I was like, OK, how is that 407 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,120 supposed to work out? I actually met with someone. 408 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:57,720 I met with a nutritionist at the time, and it gave me kind of a 409 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,360 booklet of like, here's what you eat, here's what you don't eat. 410 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,800 And I I had known some of this. And, you know, hey, let's start 411 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,120 with a fast for 18 hours to kind of let your body get into 412 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:13,040 ketosis and then start eating the ketogenic foods. 413 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,440 And I remember before this is late August, I believe in 2017, 414 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,480 I'm doing it. And my friends were like, so 415 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,080 you're going to try this for, like, life. 416 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,280 And in my head, it was kind of like, I hadn't thought that far. 417 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,160 But if it works, like, yeah, I'd rather take this than, you know, 418 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,480 deal with more medication, right. 419 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,480 I mean that that seemed like a win win to me. 420 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,720 And, you know, the food wasn't like, terrible. 421 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,680 I guess that's what I, when I saw at the beginning, I was 422 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,280 like, this wasn't like, bad. This is pretty good food. 423 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,880 I get to eat meats. I get to eat, you know, certain 424 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720 veggies. Like, I have chicken, I have 425 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,240 meat. I fish all the time. 426 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:54,840 This doesn't seem bad at all. And I just look. 427 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:58,400 It's funny to think that. But the week before thinking I'm 428 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,680 never gonna go back off the ketogenic again in my life, I 429 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,760 hit all these places that Chick-fil-A in and out. 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,960 You know, just to be like, OK, I can try it for the last time. 431 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,160 It's never going to happen again. 432 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,560 But then you get the ketogenic. And you know the first couple 433 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,960 weeks are tough. I know everyone talks about that 434 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,680 keto flu. My dad actually joined. 435 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,040 I was living at home at the time and he he's like, hey, I'll do 436 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,160 this with you to kind of support you, just to have someone in the 437 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,720 house to support you. And I I didn't experience that 438 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,800 keto flu that people really talk about. 439 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,400 My dad did. Granted, he had had sugar in his 440 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,320 coffee for 30 years and then one day didn't. 441 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960 So I I, you know, I think that really got him for the first 442 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,360 couple weeks. Man, that's that's. 443 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,960 But after that he, I mean, it's pretty admirable that he decided 444 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,080 to just jump in and do it with you. 445 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,800 I mean. Yeah, back it was. 446 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,040 It was really, really a helpful thing. 447 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,040 Really helpful. I'm lucky that he would support 448 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880 me in that way. Were you trying to target? 449 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,440 Specific macros at that point? Or were you just trying to eat 450 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,200 the eat the right foods? In the first couple months it 451 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,360 was all about hitting that 85% fat. 452 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520 How do I get that? And it was, it wasn't easy. 453 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,320 It was 85% fat, fat, excuse me, 10% protein and 5% carbs. 454 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 That was one I'd seen that was, and that was really difficult. 455 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,840 You know, it was like having I would always do a big salad and 456 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,480 still do to this day, just because there's a lot of hand to 457 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,800 mouth, just eating and the thought of eating. 458 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,400 But it'd be adding like dressing, 4 teaspoons of 459 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,120 dressing, then 2 tablespoons of olive oil and then eating 460 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,280 usually chicken thighs or some fattier piece of meat, A little 461 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,720 bit of vegetables. Usually I go with broccoli, but 462 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,560 then after it's like, how can I hit this? 463 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,920 OK, Macadamia nuts were a big hit for me. 464 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,680 That was one of the biggest. I was looking in the last couple 465 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,840 days before we were talking here of my fitness pal because I was 466 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,640 tracking here and it was constant. 467 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,560 Just the snacks at the bottom from, you know, 8:00 to 10:00 PM 468 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600 were constant. Macadamia nuts. 469 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Macadamia nuts. I I hard to learn kind of the 470 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,720 hard way that you know, when you're doing these macros it's 471 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,200 easy to eat a ton of calories and that was very noticeable the 472 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,160 first six months. I was like wow, I don't remember 473 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,440 being this big. My gosh it took a long it took a 474 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,520 while for my state to realize OK, I need to eat less calories 475 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,640 because this. I'm getting too big here. 476 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,840 I gained like 10 to 15 lbs and I was looked like a beer belly. 477 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280 It was really just a Maccabee, a nut deli. 478 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,240 If that's a thing. Let's just munch it on these 479 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,760 things. They're so good, but they just 480 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,000 eat. They're good. 481 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,880 Just way too easy to just, you know, eat. 482 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,880 And I I didn't know anyone else on the Ketogenic at the time. 483 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,160 My only kind of source was just hitting those macros. 484 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:05,640 And over time I found OK, like, I like started about a year and 485 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,160 I decided to do. I decided to climb Mount Shasta 486 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,240 which was June of 2018 and I decided, OK, I need to really 487 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,880 lower that calorie count. How abouts do I do that? 488 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,680 Looking back it wasn't the smartest thing but I went down 489 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,200 to like 2100 calories a day, 2000 calories a day to really 490 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,440 drop weight and I think in a matter of two months I dropped 491 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,400 about 20 lbs. But mostly it was the 492 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520 bulletproof coffee which was big at the time. 493 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,880 It still is the sum. I don't I don't hear about it 494 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:44,000 nearly as much the the ghee the coffee and then the MCT oil and 495 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000 mixing that up. I I had called the powder these 496 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080 days just I think it's pretty good thing to add and it's a 497 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,520 good spot in my opinion. But that was, you know, that was 498 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,920 breakfast. And then have this tiny little 499 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,720 salad that was just lettuce, a tablespoon of primal kitchen 500 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,200 mayonnaise and primal kitchen dressing because it was not 501 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,920 about avocado based oils. Have that just to feel like I'm 502 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,360 eating something even though it was not that calorically dense. 503 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,560 And then go big at dinner and eat the rest of my calories at 504 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,320 dinner. Yeah, that was kind of for three 505 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,280 months I did that. That was it was, you know, it 506 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,680 was hard And I was like, oh God, why do people do this? 507 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,360 It made me, you know, looking back, respectable, or when I 508 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,440 started reading your emails, your newsletters and got your 509 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,440 keto bricks was like, OK, he's doing 1600 dollars. 510 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,080 Oh God to them. Are you doing that? 511 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,880 That was my very, very short time. 512 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,760 I'm. I'm definitely not that low more 513 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,080 often than not, yeah. I, I, I you know not not on the 514 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240 daily weather. I I think, you know, getting 515 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720 towards that, just planning for something, having some sort of 516 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800 debt, you know, deadline, OK, doing this till June. 517 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,040 That really helped and it really helped my ketosis levels at the 518 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,920 time. So I had the meter, the keto 519 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,240 mojo meter and tracking blood samples every day and I was 520 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,520 really hooked on those numbers, you know, Oh my God, my ketones 521 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,160 aren't high enough. My ketones aren't high enough. 522 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,920 And you know, not realizing that that does fluctuate throughout 523 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,440 the day, I thought they had to be as high as possible, high as 524 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,680 possible. And I was just like, OK, they're 525 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,720 at only at .9 or one millimol liter per liter needs to be at 526 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,880 two like eating glass. And I was. 527 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,320 It was a lot of trial and error at the time looking at it, but. 528 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,160 How far into it did it take for you to, like, stop having any 529 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,440 seizures? Like, at what point were you 530 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,040 like, OK, I've I've gone seizure free as a result of this diet, 531 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,240 and I can feel confident that it's because of this diet. 532 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,720 I had a seizure the first day I started epilepsy and then didn't 533 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,960 have one for a dove 882 years almost. 534 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,720 So that was a big deal for me. I knew it was doing something. 535 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,440 I I knew definitely something was working. 536 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800 I you know, in that first few months I definitely felt 537 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,880 different. The mental clarity got there 538 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:14,040 that was noticeable. The ability to just kind of 539 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 understand what hunger feels like and then that's OK to be 540 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,400 hungry. I don't need to eat every 541 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,920 second. That helped on that regard. 542 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000 But it it I was pretty noticeable pretty quick. 543 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,960 I would say within six months I was, my parents were like, OK, 544 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,160 this, this isn't that insane. Like, this is actually working. 545 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720 Like you're not having seizures. You're working out. 546 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,360 Like you're doing all right. Like, this is wow, this is 547 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840 incredible. Did you notice, like if you were 548 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,560 below a certain ketone range, you were more like to have a 549 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,720 seizure or anything like that? Would you track as much as you 550 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,400 were? I I don't. 551 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,920 I didn't get any auras in that period. 552 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,720 So that's kind of really how I measure it. 553 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,920 It's like do I feel an aura coming on or did I have a 554 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:05,240 seizure in that time period? I really wasn't having any of 555 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,200 it, you know, I didn't feel that. 556 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,960 I didn't feel that no matter I didn't sleep a little or I slept 557 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,280 a lot, which was usually that's the biggest one. 558 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,440 If I haven't slept you know a couple days the the the chances 559 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840 of having a seizure the the threshold really is less and so 560 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:29,360 my chances are much higher so but I I I didn't feel that our 561 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,760 outcome at all for for over a couple years and that that's 562 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,480 that's what was crazy to me. I had done something that I can 563 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,640 control to help my up blood see. That's empowering man. 564 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720 And then when you it's. Really empowering. 565 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400 You had an you had another seizure 2 years into doing the 566 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520 ketogenic diet you said. Yeah. 567 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400 So in that meantime, during those few years I had moved out 568 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,080 of the house, I lived with some friends. 569 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:01,680 I picked up a job managing about help, managing 250 units in San 570 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,440 Francisco. So I was driving, had my little 571 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,120 Smart car here in San Francisco, easy to get around, it was 572 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:14,280 great. And then few years into that, I, 573 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,640 you know, everything had been good. 574 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,440 I didn't think I was, you know, I found something I could adhere 575 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400 to like this Lifestyle's great. I found that OK, I think I have 576 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600 got it. This the ketogenic diet is the 577 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,520 thing. It is it. 578 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,800 And then about two weeks before the pandemic, I had a seizure 579 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,520 while driving and crashed into three cars and broke someone's 580 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,640 leg. Man, crazy. 581 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,120 This is March of 2020, just right before it all started. 582 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:51,040 And that that's when I would say after that, I I hit a pretty big 583 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,760 low right after that. I mean they're, you know, I 584 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,000 can't drive. I can't go anywhere on my own 585 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,920 accord and then we can't go anywhere because we're being 586 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,120 regulated not to. So it kind of all just hit me in 587 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,720 what that was the toughest. Part seizure. 588 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Was there any? It's a good question. 589 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,440 I, I, you know, I I look back on it, you know, at the time I'm 590 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360 still doing, you know, I was drinking, but it was very 591 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,240 calculated. OK Am I doing this? 592 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400 Am I working the next day? Am I doing something? 593 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040 So, you know, it was very calculating. 594 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,680 Is this Aikido? Is this one shot of, you know, 595 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840 whiskey And maybe something. It was very like what am I doing 596 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440 the next day? So I had not had any alcohol in 597 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,360 the prior days to it and I slept well and that's what was the 598 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,040 bummer. I really didn't have anything. 599 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,400 I could pinpointed on at all. And so it just really came out 600 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,320 of the blue and I'm sitting there and you know, the next 601 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,240 couple days I'm still managing these 250 units in San Francisco 602 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,520 and I'm working with an owner who owns his properties. 603 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,560 And it was, you know, how do I get around everywhere? 604 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,560 And it was just starting to bike, bike everywhere in San 605 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,720 Francisco, and San Francisco's known for its hills. 606 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,560 So it was a, you know, looking back, it was a great workout, 607 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,159 but it was, it was, it was a little tough mentally just to be 608 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,199 like, OK, I'm going to this place. 609 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,159 How do I get there? What's my best place to get 610 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,040 there? How's my best route with the 611 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,000 least amount of hills? And yeah, I would say at that 612 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,080 point it was like, OK, I I had not lost faith in the ketogenic 613 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,679 diet. But I I think I knew that it 614 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,560 wasn't the end all that it is that I thought it was. 615 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,400 And in that minute of that seizure happening that minute 616 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,840 driving what had happened well encompassed from it I was kind 617 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960 of I didn't feel like I was back to square one. 618 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,239 But I was just so like distraught with the fact that, 619 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,360 OK, like something else has got to change or something. 620 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960 I got to do something. Or, you know, maybe this is just 621 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,720 the way it is and trying to find acceptance with that. 622 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,640 And within a month of two months of that happening is when I 623 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,120 started to run. And that's over time, like we 624 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,880 were discussing that. I was just finding running is 625 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,280 mostly not even because I could, but just because it was so 626 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,680 therapeutic. It was the best way to get my 627 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240 kind of mind out ofgether and kind of get above and feel 628 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,880 better mentally. And you haven't had any issues 629 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,320 with the the heat or the exertion from the running 630 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,200 triggering another seizure? They have. 631 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Oh yeah. There's been probably, you know, 632 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,600 I think I calculated it. I mean at one point I've 633 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,160 probably since that beginning of that run, I think I've had two 634 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,040 or three seizures while running and that's less than 1%. 635 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,760 So it it doesn't happen often, but it is a factor. 636 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,280 But at that point it was more like, you know, everything is a 637 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,640 risk. You know, getting in a car and 638 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,080 driving on the freeway is a risk. 639 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680 You know, there's a small risk that I could run and everyone 640 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,560 and a lot of people would point that out, OK, do you think you 641 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,160 should be running? And it was like, you know, I 642 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480 running was kind of the thing that I had that I could control, 643 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,040 that I could do, that I could push myself with, Yeah, there's 644 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,320 a less than 1% chance that I may have a seizure but still be it. 645 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,280 Yeah. I just, I can't let that. 646 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,720 I can't let seizure or epilepsy take everything on that front. 647 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Yeah, I agree, man. I feel like there's there's 648 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,160 calculated risk and there's also a point at which that risk is so 649 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,080 worth it, because if you were to remove all risk, you just simply 650 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,520 would not live a fulfilled life, and that is a far more costly 651 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,720 expense than what could have come from the seizure itself. 652 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,160 Agreed. And yeah, that's that's well 653 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,560 said. Need my neurologist too. 654 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080 I'm close to now is you know, he's like, hey, I'm not going to 655 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,080 tell you, you can't stop running. 656 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080 We're not going to do that. That's something you really 657 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,160 enjoy and you got to keep doing. And you know, I, I don't know 658 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:09,360 about you, but I thought that, you know, just asking just a 659 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,880 couple questions. I always wanted to ask you're 660 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,280 sick. I mean you you went from in 2014 661 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,320 from, you know, doing the kind of standard of bodybuilding and 662 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,120 then you went to actually on the Ketogenic. 663 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,080 Can I ask what really triggered that thought or have you read 664 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,960 anything about it? Have you heard anything about it 665 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960 before you? Well, I was doing you know 666 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,280 standard bro diet and and I had like I was struggling with all 667 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,800 kinds of disorder eating, man. Like I was binging and purging 668 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,440 and I would like I just was so far removed from a healthy 669 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000 relationship with food and I was trying different diets to find 670 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,640 something that was more sustainable for me. 671 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,760 And I stumbled upon John Kiefer's carbohydrate back 672 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,760 loading protocol, which is basically ketogenic throughout 673 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840 the day and then a whole bunch of high glycemic index carbs at 674 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,680 night. Like the the sugary, the more 675 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,160 sugar, the better. And I would do that and I would 676 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,600 be eating like just platefuls of brownies and you know, waffles 677 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960 covered in syrup, just like a whole bunch of crap food at 678 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640 night. And I'm like, I'm just going to 679 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,960 phase that out because that's probably not the healthiest 680 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,640 thing long term. So I'm just going to phase out 681 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200 carb back loading or I'm going to do carb back loading without 682 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,920 carbs basically. And I didn't know what that was, 683 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,000 but lo and behold, that's pretty much keto. 684 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,840 And I didn't have any concept of macro distribution or pro 685 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,520 protein and fat ratios or anything at that. 686 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,960 But at that point, just simply having the carbs out of my 687 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,240 system, I was able to gained some solid footing with my 688 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,000 relationship with food. I didn't have this guilt 689 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,560 associated with the food that I was eating. 690 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,760 I didn't have the the energy highs and lows. 691 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,640 I just felt a little bit more stable mentally. 692 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,640 So I wanted to kind of just lean into that more. 693 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,400 And then from there, you know, I was continuing my training 694 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,960 obviously, but I didn't really notice any dip in performance 695 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,120 with my training. So I'm like OK, I don't, I guess 696 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,600 I don't need to have carbs, but maybe I'm some anomaly or 697 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120 something, I don't know. But then I started just playing 698 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,280 around, tweaking things, stumbled upon a podcast with Tim 699 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920 Ferriss and Dom d'agostino and heard them refer to the 700 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,560 Ketogenic diet and talk about it. 701 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,080 And that's when I really was like, OK, I'm going to dive deep 702 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,680 into this. And that's when I really started 703 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,800 playing around with macro distributions, different sources 704 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920 of fats, different sources of protein, just getting things 705 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,080 dialed in and optimized. And I haven't really looked back 706 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,920 since. That's awesome. 707 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,240 That's also I I heard a similar podcast when he, Don d'osio, did 708 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,520 one with Joe Rogan. I think it was kind of that same 709 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,880 cycle of time like 2014, fifteen, 16. 710 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,080 And I heard that and he was, he was doing it for the Navy Seals. 711 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,920 But it was just very interesting, thought that was 712 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,600 even an option that you could cut these carbs out and that 713 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400 then you could just keep eating fats and protein. 714 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,440 And I think my hardest part, once I'd had these seizures and 715 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,360 you know it's COVID, is like, how do I make this the 716 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,000 ketogenic? Great for epilepsy, but also for 717 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,840 a high activity. And that was something I messed 718 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,920 with a little, but it mostly led to the bulletproof coffee in the 719 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,280 morning and then fasting till dinner. 720 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,480 That was my best way to kind of control it, but I found that 721 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,920 eating all this food at night that I was better at working out 722 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,760 in the morning, right in the morning. 723 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,240 And that was my I ate a big meal at night, and that basically 724 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,800 fuels my next day's work. That's how I look at it, right? 725 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,080 And every time in the few times that I've had a seizure while 726 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,200 running, I've they've always been post noon or post 1:00. 727 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,880 And that was an interesting thing. 728 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560 I did notice. So this is like, OK, I'm gonna 729 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,640 continue doing this kind of scheduled, you know, fast and 730 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,200 then eat at night. I should probably work out in 731 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,600 the morning. Yeah. 732 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,280 That was my best bet. But kind of going back to the, 733 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,080 the running portion, you know, after starting to run a little 734 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,240 more and doing the first half marathon, I decided, you know, 735 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,120 OK, let's see. I think I can do this. 736 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,480 You know, this is a full marathon. 737 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,640 I think I can try it. And I I did one in on right up 738 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,720 north of the Golden Gate Bridge, literally a mile north. 739 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,800 And I it wasn't my smartest choice but I decided to do one 740 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,240 that went around the Ridge. These small little mountains 741 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,840 that are just north of the Golden Gate Bridge. 742 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,840 I think them are in headlands and it was a loop but each it 743 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,480 was 4000 feet in elevation. And I I I was just like OK, like 744 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,320 I think I can do this. It's not that much I learned the 745 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,640 hard way but I ran like 14 miles ran great thought I was doing 746 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040 really well. And then it's pretty much a case 747 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,280 of running tortoise and the hare and it just I was definitely the 748 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,120 hare. I I think I got passed by almost 749 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,480 everybody for those last 12 miles. 750 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,960 And but I think what I'm getting at is that the point that you 751 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,560 can do it and you can push yourself and that's where it was 752 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,520 kind of like, OK, I can do a marathon, let's keep this going. 753 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,720 And then you know I had friends that were starting to run. 754 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,920 I think running became big in my friend group AA lot bigger than 755 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,520 it was just because of COVID and so starting to do another 756 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,600 marathon or another race running with my friend. 757 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,200 It was just it built a sort of confidence here in that then how 758 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,280 do I, you know work in the ketogenic. 759 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,000 And it was. I found that it was kind of the 760 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,120 same application of eating the night before and then and then 761 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,640 just having something for water and some electrolytes for these, 762 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,400 you know under 4 hour runs. And then we looked at doing this 763 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,440 big temptation. That's when I had to reach out. 764 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,480 I was like, how do I run for 18 hours for whatever I'm going to 765 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,160 do? And I found that the Akita brick 766 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,320 was really the best way for me to be able to consume calories 767 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,720 in that moment. And I was actually going to keep 768 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,600 to the macros or actually be ketogenic, because when you look 769 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,160 at products out there for endurance, it's all the goo. 770 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,400 It's all heavy, heavy sugar. Well, there's such a 771 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,600 preconceived notion about what's possible from a performance 772 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,320 standpoint in both, you know, lifting in my realm and body 773 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,920 composition, but also with endurance. 774 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,040 And there's just like this stigma against not having 775 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,960 carbohydrates. And it's so strange, but like 776 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,040 when I talk to people that are diabetic or people like yourself 777 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,440 that have epilepsy and they, they don't consume carbohydrates 778 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,080 for obvious reasons. They still want to perform 779 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,640 optimally and they still want to be competitive on race day or 780 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,400 show day, whatever it is. So I mean, I love talking to 781 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,160 people like you because it's like you're a perfect 782 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,920 illustration of what's possible in the complete absence of 783 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,360 carbohydrates. I mean, you just get done 784 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,600 running. How many miles was it total that 785 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,720 you wound up clocking in it? Was 62. 786 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,240 So I think it's equivalent to 100 KA 100 kilometers. 787 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,760 Yeah, and you're doing that with keto bricks and electrolytes. 788 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,480 Keto bricks, electrolytes, pretty much. 789 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,960 You had, thankfully you had mentioned the within you by Mark 790 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,680 Bell, the the electrolytes that had the amino acids. 791 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,200 That was huge. Those were really big. 792 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,040 Just, you know, I think I went to 2, 1/2 keto bricks that were 793 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,360 all sliced up. I think I'd sent a photo and you 794 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,040 know, just chopping it like it's some big piece of meat, just 795 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,720 eating them at at, you know, at every kind of every couple hours 796 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,280 and eating a couple bites and just, you know, all the other 797 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480 aid stations, people are like, what are you eating? 798 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,720 And I'm like these Kubricks, you know, I had the label on there 799 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,520 too and it was just funny to see everyone's face like, huh, like 800 00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,480 what is that? You know? 801 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,880 But it it it's, it's it's a cool, it's a cool thing what 802 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,840 what you've done being able to take that brand and really do 803 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,280 something that's so applicable in so many different ways. 804 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,040 I mean I've used it for travelling just to have as a 805 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,400 backup you know, in case I can't consume calories going to 806 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,760 friends houses and they're like, hey, there's nothing really keto 807 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,760 here we're having you know lasagna and other pastas. 808 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,040 I'm like, OK, not a problem just bring that have it with me in 809 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,360 the back. I mean that's that's a hard 810 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,720 thing that that I had no idea about till you know early last 811 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:37,560 year when I found your product and and I I I I can't say thank 812 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920 you enough because it's been really helpful for me. 813 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,160 Well, no, for sure, man. I I appreciate the kind words. 814 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,120 And for me, I just want to give people options. 815 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,960 You know, like I I wanted to compete on the elite level as a 816 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,720 natural bodybuilder against the grain, not using carbohydrates. 817 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,960 I wanted to showcase people that are doing the same thing in 818 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,040 different sports like yourself with endurance. 819 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,680 Like people need to know that there's an outlet for them to 820 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,080 perform at a high level without being a slave to carbohydrates. 821 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,720 If they don't respond well to carbohydrates, if they have a, 822 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,120 you know, troubled food relationship with carbohydrates, 823 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,440 or if they simply can't tolerate them because they're diabetic or 824 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,120 epileptic or anything like that. Like like if you have an issue 825 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,200 with carbs. In my mind, it would. 826 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,760 It would be crippling if I thought that I couldn't do the 827 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,880 things that I want to do unless I had carbs and I can't eat 828 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,640 carbs like that would be very. Debilitating, but if. 829 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,360 You can know that that's not the case, and you can point to 830 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,800 people that are doing awesome things at an incredibly high 831 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040 level. In the complete absence of 832 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,920 carbohydrates like, that's empowering. 833 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,080 Absolutely, it really is. And you know, I don't know about 834 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,560 you if you had a lot of doubters in the beginning, but I think I 835 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,960 just had a lot of people that just weren't educated or just 836 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,920 had not educated as a wrong term use but more just didn't have 837 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,560 any idea aware of this ketogenic diet. 838 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,840 And you know as a kid, I remember this vividly. 839 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,840 I had a cousin that I was close to and I ate just the fat off a 840 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,080 piece of meat. And my cousin, I remember he 841 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,600 ridiculed me. We're like six or seven And he's 842 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,800 like, oh, that's the nasty part. Why are you doing that? 843 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,360 And he just kept doing it. I was like, does it taste good? 844 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,600 What do you mean? Here we are 20 years later and 845 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,480 I'm, you know, eating the fat because it's so healthy for for 846 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,280 for my brain and for my health. And it's funny just how that how 847 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,640 that thought changes over time. No for sure, man. 848 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,000 And when you when you step back and look at it like it's like we 849 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,520 have to justify to people what, why we're eating the way we do. 850 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,720 But then when we actually look at the food that's on our plate, 851 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,240 it's all real food. You know, like we don't have to 852 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,600 justify, we shouldn't have to justify why we're eating, you 853 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,480 know, a whole animal based plate of food. 854 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,800 Whereas someone that's eating a bunch of goose that's just 855 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,320 completely processed junk has no need to justify their 856 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,880 consumption of that. And that's like totally 857 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,160 backwards. And I just totally backwards. 858 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,160 A funny thing about the ketogenic diet that I found is 859 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,160 that I started eating a lot more vegetables. 860 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,160 Weird. You know, I started eating a ton 861 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,600 of broccoli and not, you know, to get on macros, but just 862 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000 because I thoroughly enjoyed it and you know, hey, OK, it's 863 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,560 broccoli, asparagus, those are been my go TOS and I've really 864 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,720 enjoyed them more so than I did growing up. 865 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,040 Maybe it's because, you know, hey, if you bake something, it's 866 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,440 a little better roast something. It's a lot better than maybe 867 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,480 steaming it. That's that might be #1. 868 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,120 But just the fact that like I'm looking for, you know, if I'm 869 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,400 looking for some carbs, oh, where are my vegetables, you 870 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,720 know, where and I. It's something that I didn't 871 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,520 foresee when starting this diet that the little portion that I 872 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640 like to get of carbs or the smaller portion, I should say 873 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,640 like I was, I look forward to my vegetables pretty much every 874 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,720 day. Like, hey, are we having any 875 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:56,920 vegetables or we have any vegetables? 876 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,240 That's what I ask consistently. Have you ever played around with 877 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,080 like a carnivore variation of keto just to see how you 878 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,680 responded? I have not. 879 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,960 No, I I haven't you know, gone that path. 880 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,240 I I've heard a lot about it, especially in the last couple 881 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,840 years. But I I haven't really looked at 882 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,280 it. You know, some of the days if 883 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,920 I'm like OK, I'm might be a little out of macro like for 884 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,480 dinner I'm just gonna eat a keto brick. 885 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,920 That's really what it comes to that sometimes what I do, not 886 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:32,600 too often, but it's really for me, just possibly I had a of 887 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,320 eating disorder growing up or you know, just eating a lot of 888 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,960 food consuming. It's more of just finding 889 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,440 something that's hand to mouth and that's what a big salad will 890 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520 do for me. Just a huge amount of romaine 891 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,440 lettuce, which doesn't have that many carbs or nutrition of 892 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,680 value, but adding, you know, dressing, a mayonnaise, a 893 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,800 sardines and an avocado and mixing it up. 894 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,400 Yeah, it's more volume overall. Just mine. 895 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,960 You're just eating for a little while, right? 896 00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,440 So it feels like you're eating a lot. 897 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,160 The salad thing has been the staple. 898 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,520 And all my friends like, oh, here comes the keto salad. 899 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,280 Like, that's, yeah, everyone knows it. 900 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,000 So it's a funny thing. But at at one point, you know 901 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,640 what wouldn't you kind of turn over toward the carnivore side? 902 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,280 I don't know, man. I like when I'm in a prep. 903 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,480 I want to make the absolute most of the calories that I have a 904 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,440 lot of for me. So, like, because there's not 905 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,360 much nutritional value in a big salad, you know, I would 906 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,080 allocate those calories, those macros to just more fats and 907 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,000 proteins. I'm not against greens and 908 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,880 veggies at all. I mean a lot of people who 909 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,560 consume a ton of them have no issues whatsoever, you know, and 910 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,640 I'm not. I mean I'll incorporate them on 911 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,400 occasion, but I'm generally not eating a ton of them when in a 912 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,240 prep because I only have so many calories. 913 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,160 And now that I'm reversed out and eating more food, I'll 914 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,360 probably bring some back into to varying degrees. 915 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,760 But honestly, like my GI has been like flawless without them. 916 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,240 So I've got no issues from a digestive standpoint going 917 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,840 pretty much straight carnivore plus keto bricks. 918 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,920 I don't consider myself carnivore because I'll have the 919 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,800 bricks. I'll have you know some fat 920 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,840 sources that are not animal based. 921 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,320 I'll have you know, just, I don't know, like coconut butter. 922 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,920 Coconut oil. Like that's technically nice 923 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,600 carnivore, right? Right. 924 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,080 So I don't consider myself a carnivore, but I mean 99% of 925 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,840 what I eat's definitely animal based. 926 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,920 Yeah, No, I mean understandably and it's really helped with your 927 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,560 prep and your competition. Congrats on the in October with 928 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,600 the becoming a pro. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. 929 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,520 It was. It was pretty awesome. 930 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,800 I mean your dedication is huge and it's it's really a it's it's 931 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,800 really impressive you know I mean I think it's the Jocko 932 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,400 podcast has he gets bad in some episode or just like you know 933 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,080 discipline is is beats motivation and he you know he 934 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,800 hits the table and it and it's so true. 935 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,880 You know, just there are days when you know, I maybe I don't 936 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,800 want to exercise as much or do something, but you just go out 937 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,160 and do it and you know, it's just a discipline of staying 938 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,560 with it. Well, running perfectly embodies 939 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,880 that man. So I mean shout out to you on 940 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,680 that front because I mean it's there are definitely days where 941 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,520 you wake up and you don't want to strap on those running shoes 942 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,920 and hit the road, but I mean you do it anyways, you know, like 943 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,320 that that requires. That's the goal, yeah, pretty 944 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,720 good. Degree of mental fortitude right 945 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,040 there, I. Think it gives it both ways. 946 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,560 I It's funny, I I I I don't know about you. 947 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,520 I mean, do you Do you? I mean, when you're not in 948 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,280 season, do you find yourself doing cardio other than the 949 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,200 Stairmaster? I I'll go on hikes. 950 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,800 I'll do like a lot of western hunting. 951 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,960 So I'm hiking quite a bit with that, you know, with a heavy 952 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,240 load. But I'm not doing a ton of 953 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,040 cardio for the sake of doing cardio. 954 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,720 I do like to run on some of the trails out here. 955 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,960 You know, we've got some good scenic trails, and I'll run 956 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,560 those sometimes, but I'm definitely more likely to be 957 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,440 found in the gym pumping some iron than I would be doing 958 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,880 cardio for sure. No I hear ya. 959 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,400 You know I I think on my end you know I I lift from time to time 960 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120 and my friends you know I'm I just don't get the same high 961 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,040 from running and my good friends will just tell you hey you're 962 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,720 just not lifting enough and I've heard that consistently. 963 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,640 But I guess for me like the as I've gotten old the fear of 964 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920 injury is what's gotten so high from lifting or trying to push 965 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,480 too much weight comparatively to running for me. 966 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,200 And that's I think just getting a sense of comfort doing some of 967 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,840 that more often. But when I do lift, it's not 968 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,720 for, you know, there's not a goal minded, you know, that's 969 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,680 just I need to lift this much or this much. 970 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,440 It's more of like, OK, you ran yesterday and the day before you 971 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440 need to do something different, get in a gym. 972 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,200 That's that's kind of how it's how I see it. 973 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,160 Well, there's definitely like, like I've been training, I've 974 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,760 been lifting weights for I guess 15 years now. 975 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,920 And there's been times in that 15 year span where I did not 976 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,440 love the weight training. But once you do it long enough, 977 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000 consistently enough, like you really start to see the fruits 978 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,840 of your labor and then you just fall in love with the process. 979 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,000 And there's still days where like, I don't, I mean there's 980 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,880 days where I don't really feel like going to the gym. 981 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,080 But the overarching mentality is always positive when I think 982 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,000 about the gym. And I feel like, you know, you 983 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,440 have that that habit ingrained, that habit built into you, which 984 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,880 doesn't happen overnight. But once you do, and you spend 985 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,280 more often than not working towards that positive outcome, 986 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,800 then it just becomes habitual to the point where it doesn't seem 987 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,200 like a negative anymore in your life. 988 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,480 It's kind of like brushing your teeth, you know? 989 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960 Like you don't really think about it and just do it. 990 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:43,680 That's a good analogy. I like that. 991 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,840 Yeah. You know in the last few months 992 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,720 I would tell you that I have, I I had to do some stuff. 993 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,320 My my epilepsy's come pretty. It's still pretty good and I'm, 994 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:02,960 I'm having these harder or more intense seizures and I'm at a 995 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,280 point where I've kind of exhausted, not maybe exhausted 996 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,280 fully, but I I do enjoy the ketogenic diet. 997 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,680 I mean it's it's become more of an identity for me at this 998 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,560 point. As you know, even I've had 999 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,280 thoughts of coming off and it's like I I enjoy this like and 1000 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,040 it's funny to hear that after so many years, right? 1001 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,920 Like I just like it. It's a big part of who I am. 1002 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,760 You know, being on the ketogenic being, you know, adhering to the 1003 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,080 the macros or maybe you know, no, no, not checking the macros 1004 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,200 every every day. At this point, I think I have a 1005 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,560 good idea of what I'm eating and what everything is. 1006 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,680 But has that have you taken like a vacation or anything where 1007 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,480 you've kind of just gone off keto for the for a whole trip or 1008 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,120 any of that? Has that crossed your mind? 1009 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,640 No, I have not gone off keto since I've started keto. 1010 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,840 I mean, there'll be times where I don't track everything. 1011 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,920 There'll be times where, well, of course, yeah, You know, like 1012 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,240 I'll have some keto treats, more so than I would normally have. 1013 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:05,080 But I have not had a stint where I've gotten off of a ketogenic 1014 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,960 diet since I've started it. Yeah. 1015 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaking of Keto treats I, I went to the all in and excuse me 1016 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,120 the keto the metabolic health summit which I believe you went 1017 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:21,600 to recently that I went to in 2019 and 2020 and 2019 we were 1018 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,240 one of my dad was still doing the ketogenic with me. 1019 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,320 He we were eating a lot of fat snacks. 1020 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:33,400 We were both buying fat snacks and we're at the stand there and 1021 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,600 it's the fat snack company and we're you know we're like, hey 1022 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,560 nice to meet you guys. You know we're we're Michael 1023 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,720 Letty and they looked us and like you're Michael Letty. 1024 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,360 We're like, yeah, they're like, Oh my God, you're Michael Letty. 1025 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,960 And they start saying everyone's Michael Letty. 1026 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,960 I'm like I looked at that like what's going on here? 1027 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,200 They're like you are the biggest purchaser of fat snacks after 1028 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,040 Amazon. It's like, what? 1029 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,680 What's? Don't tell me that? 1030 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,440 And so, Oh my gosh, they gave us all this free stuff. 1031 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,000 And I was looking at my dad, like, how much have you bought? 1032 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,120 Like, Oh my gosh, well, you know, we're both subscribing to 1033 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,000 it on Amazon. It was just in that moment, you 1034 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,280 know, that was one of the biggest snacks that we were 1035 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,760 eating. And in hindsight, way too much 1036 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,120 of it. But that was kind of the last 1037 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,280 little. Those were the some of the 1038 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,840 harder things to get away from is just having that snack after 1039 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:25,000 dinner or having a treat or something like the fat snack I'm 1040 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,320 still having to this day. But not not often. 1041 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,040 I try, not too often. I mean, it's just a funny little 1042 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,360 thing that those those summits were really as you've written 1043 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,280 about. I mean, they're really, really 1044 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,960 good. Those are some of the best 1045 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,960 summits that I've been to for the ketogenic diet. 1046 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,800 Yeah, the conference seems great, man. 1047 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,760 Like it's awesome to see people that are on the tip of the 1048 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,320 spear, you know, especially at that conference specifically, 1049 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,960 they've got, you know, leading researchers, leading doctors, 1050 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,040 leading medical professionals and providers and they're on the 1051 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,200 front line. So it's pretty awesome to see 1052 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,560 where the research going is going and just how it's 1053 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,840 impacting people's lives directly. 1054 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,560 I mean, that's that's what I get excited about. 1055 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160 That that one does too. And then you know some of those 1056 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,640 speakers are really it's it's really a great conference. 1057 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:14,600 But, yeah, I think what I was getting at is, you know, I've 1058 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,320 back to this epilepsy story. Here is, you know, I'm at a 1059 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,280 point where, you know, check diet's working. 1060 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,640 You know, to an extent I'm still having a lot of epilepsy. 1061 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:29,160 And I'm actually, I had to go in for a hospital stay, I think of 1062 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,400 of a week and a half last October to provoke seizures. 1063 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,360 Let's see if my epilepsy has changed since 2012, if something 1064 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,960 has differed. And that was the first time in 1065 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,160 six years that I went off the ketogenic, because the whole 1066 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,160 point for me was to go in there. They're gonna sleep, deprive me. 1067 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,280 So I get to sleep from 4:00 AM to 7:00 AM once a week or every 1068 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,120 night. Excuse me. 1069 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,520 And the goal was to have two seizures. 1070 00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,600 And so I'm sitting there and, you know, I I I'm trying stuff 1071 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,400 that I haven't tried in 6 1/2 years. 1072 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,440 And it's crazy what your body can get addicted to so quickly, 1073 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,520 as I had some sugary things. And, I mean, because of that, my 1074 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,480 parents were stoked, especially my mom, who was just like, oh, 1075 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,200 my God, let me get you treats. This, this. 1076 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,200 I was like, I had a stack of food next to me and I couldn't 1077 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,280 move out of this bed because I literally was not 50 wires on my 1078 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,920 head, you know waiting to induce a seizure. 1079 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,560 And it's crazy how your body craves that that sugar when you 1080 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,040 get give it back. And it took, you know having I 1081 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:41,400 got off I was in there for 9 days I think and but it but once 1082 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,160 you get back OK what's for last meal back the ketogenic. 1083 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,960 And then those first few days, you know my body was really like 1084 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480 give me sugar, give me sugar. Like trying to fight that off 1085 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,840 was was hard, really difficult. It was one of the harder things 1086 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,680 that I had dealt with in a while and I was like, Oh my gosh. 1087 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240 That's interesting, though, man. Like, it's it's crazy that you 1088 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,880 were able to go that long without it and then you 1089 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,120 incorporated those foods as a way to induce the seizure 1090 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,760 intentionally. I mean that's very interesting 1091 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,440 case scenario that most people are not going to likely find 1092 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,360 themselves. Right, right. 1093 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,600 Exactly. They're not going to find 1094 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,880 themselves. I was like, I can't, Yeah, this 1095 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,960 is. I'm trying to do this, you know, 1096 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,720 this pad, these episodes. So I got to go off keto. 1097 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,840 Like it was a perfect excuse, you might say. 1098 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,240 But it wasn't like it was a. Were to do that like the juice 1099 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,000 wasn't worth the squeeze, so to speak, like not from a medical 1100 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,560 standpoint, but from having those foods to now getting back 1101 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,800 off of them. Like you're not, incentivize or 1102 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,920 inclined to go back to those foods based off of how you felt 1103 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,040 when you work in Shimon. Yeah, you know, I actually, I 1104 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:57,400 recently I went to Thailand and actually with my girlfriend, I'd 1105 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,120 never been to Asia and really with the ketogenic, never 1106 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,560 thought it was going to be possible. 1107 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,760 And I did it for a couple days there. 1108 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,280 And then I kind of just realized like I know how to adhere off 1109 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,840 this and on it. And I I, you know, I decided to 1110 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,200 go off of it while I was there just to kind of more enjoy, you 1111 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,120 know, just some of the foods I'm travelled, you know, I've been 1112 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,760 on a plane for 17 hours. I think I can enjoy some food 1113 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,720 for a couple weeks. Surprisingly, my body felt 1114 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,440 pretty decent through and all the way through even, you know, 1115 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,000 I was exercising while I was there. 1116 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,360 But back to it when I came back after two weeks was not as hard 1117 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,600 as the first time and went in the hospital was really like OK 1118 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:43,040 had the fun enjoyed let's go back to get a giant because like 1119 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,000 I said it it it's become an identity of part of who I am at 1120 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,520 this point. And then I found that really 1121 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,800 kind of interesting. As you know, I've come off of it 1122 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:57,280 a couple times and you know, I, right before I went, I, I 1123 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,600 actually have planned in a couple months for a, a device to 1124 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,160 go in my head to help with my epilepsy called Neuropace. 1125 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,720 And it's this little computer that they put in your skull that 1126 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,160 hooks up to where they believe your seizures are coming from 1127 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,000 and it sends a pulse. Kind of interesting timing with 1128 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,600 having your neurofeedback Dr. Hill. 1129 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,480 Last week. And you know, which is a great 1130 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,520 episode, by the way, I I've never even heard of 1131 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,960 neurofeedback. Me neither. 1132 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,840 And and you know, this device is going to go in my head and I'm 1133 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,920 set. There's a date, everything. 1134 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,000 And you know, this possibly could fix my seizures, possibly 1135 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:45,720 not, you know, we don't know. But it's just the thought that, 1136 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,680 you know, you know, even if I had the luxury of not going out 1137 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,760 of the Kitty Kat, I don't think I want to because it's just 1138 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,680 balanced my health out so well. You know, it's a good kind of 1139 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,360 and it's a good discipline I've really learned to enjoy. 1140 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,920 And even though I may not get to have all these breads, all 1141 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,680 these, you know, different things that people so covet, I'm 1142 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,680 OK with that. I'm OK with that. 1143 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,960 You know, and it's this device is going to sit in my head and 1144 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,520 it's going to sit there, you know, for however long, but it's 1145 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,680 going to be under my skull. And once a year, for the first 1146 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,280 year, it's just going to be learning my brain and learning 1147 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,680 where these seizures may occur, where they come from, what's the 1148 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,160 timing of it in this machine? This device will actually learn 1149 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,960 where the how it happens. And over time, we'll be able to 1150 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,440 send a signal right before a seizure comes on. 1151 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,560 And over time, my seizures will become less frequent and less 1152 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,320 severe. That's the thought. 1153 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,440 Very cool, granted. Very cool, very scary at the 1154 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,320 same time, right? You know, I'm putting a computer 1155 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,760 in my head, you know, crazy. And it's just it's funny to 1156 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,160 think that, you know, I I don't even think a year ago I'd be OK 1157 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,080 with this. But you know, at this point I've 1158 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,800 found a discipline with this, the ketogenic or the Kia that 1159 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,040 it's that I can adhere to for just health, overall health and 1160 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,360 active, being active and fitness but not, you know, maybe it's 1161 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,920 not as helpful for my epilepsy as as it has been in the past. 1162 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,000 You know, I think our bodies just adapt and my epilepsy is 1163 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,760 adapted and I was like, OK, we threw you you threw us a big 1164 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,560 curveball. You didn't have seizures for a 1165 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,880 while. I think we, you know, my brain's 1166 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,960 like, OK we can we can deal with this. 1167 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,480 Well that's kind of the next kind of chapter here is how does 1168 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,000 that work out. And you know I I think I'll 1169 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,720 adhere to the ketogenic, but maybe, you know maybe have a 1170 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,120 meal a week that I, I go out and try something different. 1171 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,080 You know, that's off the ketogenic and it's it's a little 1172 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,360 weird to think of, but it's more just to kind of enjoy the 1173 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:02,240 moment, kind of going back to it, you know, just being aware 1174 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,080 of being present. You know, sometimes, you know, 1175 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,760 it's like enjoy some of the food that's that that is part of life 1176 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,120 and I'll take the risk, I'll take the risk. 1177 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,760 But that's well, the main thing is that's kind of a chapter, you 1178 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,800 know, objective with what your bias telling you be. 1179 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,040 Subjective with what your bias telling you and then just act 1180 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,680 according to me. That's all any of us can do. 1181 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,800 And as long as you know, you know what you want, what you 1182 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,400 desire, you can kind of weigh out the risks and the rewards. 1183 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,160 And if you're being honest with yourself and doing what's right 1184 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,000 for your body long term overall, and the trajectory is positive, 1185 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,280 then you know, let that, let that be what it is. 1186 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:41,400 Yeah, you. Think you said it. 1187 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840 Well, right. That's all any of us can do, 1188 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,240 ma'am. That's. 1189 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,840 All we can do, but I'm excited. I'm excited about that as a 1190 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,920 viable outlet to see, you know, as you gain more information, 1191 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,800 more knowledge and then just do that to see if it truly makes a 1192 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,520 difference in tandem with the ketogenic diet like that. 1193 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,560 That's that's exciting stuff. Exactly right. 1194 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,520 So I think that's kind of. Yeah, exactly. 1195 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,360 How do I? Maybe that'll be kind of a 1196 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,200 counter measure for my epilep for with the ketogenic diet. 1197 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,840 Yeah, but you know, like I said. Keeping the identity. 1198 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,720 Of the ketogenic diet eating because you know it feels good. 1199 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,280 It's and it's really thank you for kind of coming up and I 1200 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,120 don't even know. I'm trying to remember how I 1201 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,760 found, you know, the keto brick. And I think I was just looking 1202 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,680 at keto foods as a, you know, I look it up every year just to 1203 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,480 see if anything has come up online and I found your product 1204 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,520 and I was like 1000 calories in a brick. 1205 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,320 This is freaking awesome, you know? 1206 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,760 And the fats, the fats are actually good. 1207 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,080 The the hardest thing is, you know in these new or a lot of 1208 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,560 these treats is the ingredients. Yeah, for sure finding good 1209 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,960 ingredients. Cause so many people. 1210 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,240 Just put keto on there and you're like, this is not keto. 1211 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,960 Like my mom will get me a lot of treats. 1212 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,640 I'm like, mom, you can't have all these fillers in here. 1213 01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,280 This is just not the good stuff. I am certainly glad to hear that 1214 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,040 you like it. Man, we. 1215 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,960 We will keep making it, keep you stocked up for sure, brother. 1216 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,720 Hey, that newest flavor you came out with, the brownie batter. 1217 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,480 Oh my gosh, that is good. That that is delicious. 1218 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,480 Yeah, that. That's become my favorite. 1219 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,480 That is one of my favorites. That. 1220 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,320 Is one of my favorites, so keep up what you do, man. 1221 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,840 It's it's really awesome and it's. 1222 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:25,920 Just it's noticed you know few 1000 miles over here in in 1223 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,760 California and really used utilized very much so and I just 1224 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,480 want to say thanks, thank you that truly makes my day man like 1225 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,520 that. Is hearing feedback like that is 1226 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,600 why I keep doing what I do. So I I cannot be more 1227 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,720 appreciative to to everything you've said today for your 1228 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,400 attitude and just your zeal for life and desire to keep pushing 1229 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,080 forward man despite the hurdles, despite the outcomes like that. 1230 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,960 That's very admirable. Where do people go to find out 1231 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,080 more man? Like where do they go to find 1232 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,800 out more about your next next run. 1233 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,640 That's a good question. You know, I I'm. 1234 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,040 Not a social media guy. I've never had Instagram. 1235 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,320 You know the the only thing I do have is Estrava. 1236 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,440 It's kind of a gotta, yeah. To exercise the play is kind of 1237 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,760 my thought, finally under Michael. 1238 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,080 Letty. Based in San Francisco, you can 1239 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,480 find me on Strava. It's just a cloudy picture and 1240 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,960 then me in the front. So that's that's, yeah, people 1241 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,319 can follow the running journey then for sure exactly. 1242 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,240 Follow the running journey. Follow the exercise. 1243 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,600 And hopefully, you know, do some themselves too. 1244 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,200 And just really a pleasure to talk to you today. 1245 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,120 And John, thanks for taking the time. 1246 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,600 Yeah. No, my pleasure, man. 1247 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,880 I really appreciate you taking time. 1248 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,439 Jumping on here with me and just sharing the journey, man. 1249 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,439 So if there's everything I can do for you, Michael, just let me 1250 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,279 know, man. Absolutely down enough and. 1251 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,359 We'll see where everything goes. So thank you very much. 1252 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,279 You bet, man. Take care and have a good one, 1253 01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:49,840 brother. Hey, thank you. 1254 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,240 You too.