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Well, hello ladies and gents 
Roberts. 

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Thanks keto, Savage.com today 
ever get special guest. 

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Nikki on the line is she is a 
dietetic student in Australia. 

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She is studying all about 
nutrition. 

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She is a very deep interest in 
hypertrophy building muscle 

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bodybuilding powerlifting. 
So our interests and passions 

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are certainly aligned in that 
regard and she has been 

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carnivore for the past two and a
half years. 

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She is a wizard with all things 
nutrition. 

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She's get multiple scientific 
studies. 

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Her Instagram, like you should 
just start going down the rabbit

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hole, and dive deeper and 
deeper. 

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When you go through a Content 
I've learned a ton and following

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her. 
I learned a ton in this podcast 

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and I'm just super excited to 
dive in and let you all learn as

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well. 
So without further Ado, sit 

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back, relax and enjoy the 
conversation with Nikki 

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And we are live. 
Nikki, how are you? 

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Good, thank you for having me. 
Absolutely. 

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I'm excited to dive in here 
because you are much, much 

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smarter than I am. 
I'm excited to learn something 

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here. 
I'm not even sure how I found 

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out about you. 
I think it may have been from a 

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post you on the carnivore. 
Cast a few months back, right? 

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I was, yes, yes. 
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initially saw you and I started 
following you on Ram. 

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Then all of your posts are deep 
dive into scientific literature 

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and Jim post and the two go 
hand-in-hand and you've been 

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doing a carnivore diet and there
for quite some time, right? 

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I have, I'm almost up to what is
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Almost two and a half years now 
and I love it. 

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Awesome, awesome. 
I definitely want to dive into 

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carnivore, but I'd love to kind 
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you specifically what it is that
you're studying because you're a

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you're in school currently, 
right? 

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I am currently studying 
dietetics at the University of 

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Newcastle and I'm about just 
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So I've still got a little way 
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in the weeds at the moment. 
What was the motivation for 

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going down? 
That trajectory of study to 

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begin with. 
Well, originally I made up, I've

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always had a really deep passion
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nutrition. 
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I always knew I wanted to do 
nutrition but mainly because I 

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had a lot of health issues and 
nothing completely serious, but 

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just, you know, Annoying 
autoimmune problems that I 

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suffered with and, and problems 
trying to control my weight. 

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And so, I went straight into 
nutrition, I guess. 

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Almost without even realizing 
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At the time I was trying to find
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that I was suffering with. 
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kids, those things kind of 
progressed and got worse and and

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I never really ended up. 
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ended up really using it. 
I became distracted with 

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different things. 
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went overseas and all this. 
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Ii-i've the passion was still 
there and I guess I hadn't 

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really found a a resolved for 
from, for my conditions. 

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And as I said, they seem to be 
getting worse and so, yeah, I 

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decided I wanted to. 
I wanted to learn as much as I 

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could about it. 
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around, I'd go back and do 
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over the. 
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that point about 10 years since 
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face it that none of the 
information that I had. 

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Received really was still able 
to be used and the industry has 

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changed a lot since then. 
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nutrition. 
Unfortunately, these days, you 

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know, you can do a three year 
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or you can do a month course to 
become a health coach, which you

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can call yourself a nutritionist
so I thought, no, no. 

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I want to I want to go a little 
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have the respective of a 
dietitian and so that I can 

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actually, you know, really 
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make some changes and 
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the time, I enrolled for 
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the carnival diet. 
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knowing that it would be a 
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of course, the dietetics course 
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pyramid, you know? 
It's the it's the standard 

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American diet, that's the 
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So I knew it would be a struggle
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Yeah, I'm always curious. 
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are deep in study with we are to
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that stuff and they follow a 
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a carnivore diet, a ketogenic 
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to what the main, you know, 
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nutrition is within that scope 
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How do you how do you balance 
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Like I mean I'm assuming you're 
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just like in the act of studying
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operates in the body because 
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concepts are going to carry over
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it's not easy to have a lot of 
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what you're doing. 
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It's been an interesting 
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I mean, I remember having a 
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before starting the course and I
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am going to be open-minded and 
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bias, we all do but I really 
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mind, trying not to do what I 
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doctors do do And that's, you 
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the only way and then they're 
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other things. 
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I come out at the end and I 
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best way forward for health, 
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will always do this diet for 
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unsee what it has done for me 
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the the interesting lie I find 
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Really obviously against what 
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And so I sit in the class and 
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biting my fingernails. 
I can't, I can't stand it but 

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then others are completely in 
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realizing it, you know, for 
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biochemistry courses are very 
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what I have learned to myself 
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it's looking at How does the 
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What is the biochemistry of? 
How do we break down 

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macronutrients? 
How do we, you know, absorb 

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nutrients, it's science. 
It is already isn't and and 

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those courses for that reason, I
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And as I said, it's quite 
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have learned going in and 
learning some of the deep weeds 

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of energy metabolism, and I can 
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ketogenic diet is amazing. 
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But without even the teacher, 
realizing it and it's quite 

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fascinating because I'll often, 
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that annoying student. 
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myself at this point because I 
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there have been a few times 
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said what would you think about 
this way of using the energy or,

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you know, how do you think this 
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whatever and they they would 
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though, Might have just 
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What actually, you know, utilize
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might actually be more 
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fantastic for an athlete. 
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will give them longer-lasting 
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I will we would never do that 
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terrible for your health, you 
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So it's very kind of her plea 
devils. 

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Advocate here. 
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these lectures and you're 
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anything in particular that 
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you to not second-guess 
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put your, your personal biases, 
aside, and be like, well maybe I

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am doing something wrong, 
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evident here. 
That's a really cool question. 

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I'll be honest, there has been 
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and really look into it because 
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far, it's really just been them.
You know, suggesting an idea and

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then me, you know, saying would 
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No. 
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doesn't make sense. 
But I won't push it but the 

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other day I was I learnt in 
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That saturated fat apparently 
triggers the same Cascade of 

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inflammatory, the inflammatory 
Cascade. 

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Like is if you've it how do I 
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It basically turns things on 
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inflammatory Cascade when you 
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showed us a study where people 
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saturated fat and then, you 
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their asthma became worse very 
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And so in the of research, then 
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Taste right away. 
What probably going on. 

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It looked like they'd given the 
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now, there would be some 
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is a lot of other stuff in 
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Yes. 
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patties and cheese. 
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the bun as far as I can see. 
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the bun, but I can't imagine 
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Include carbohydrates, well, but
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But it was an interesting thing 
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that's interesting. 
I've never heard that connection

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before. 
I'll definitely look into it. 

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And as I said so far I can see 
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It's probably more other stuff 
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And we know that they use seed, 
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like that. 
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anywhere, but I'm interested in 
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Maybe there is something to it, 
but I'd be Aged. 

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So, that's the only things there
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studies that have looked at you 
like like, for instance, red 

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meats been pointed to cause 
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there hasn't been too many 
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those variables in isolation. 
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I mean most of them are like a 
meta-analysis in which people 

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are doing like a survey and 
they're consuming red meat but 

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it's also in tandem with a lot 
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There's not really a good 
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that looks at this in humans. 
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in which meat is pretty much the
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where it's almost an isolation. 
It's very unfortunate because 

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yes, I can confirm that the best
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Australia. 
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in the US, but the best way that
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that sort of stuff. 
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people eat, where we get all our
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surveys. 
And I mean, I imagined you 

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saying to somebody how many 
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have orange juice? 
And you're like, well, we know, 

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because we don't really drink 
our 20 for me. 

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I'm did you wait? 
I don't know fairies and you're 

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sort of thinking, I don't know, 
but six it could have been 10. 

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It could have been 20. 
It could have been five. 

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I don't know. 
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that, you know, red meat is, is 
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Hmm. 
So, I mean that these studies 

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unfortunately are very biased 
and it gives us really crappy 

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results. 
And so I think that yes, there 

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are a lot of studies out there 
that had that link, saturated 

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fat meat to a lot of issues but 
we need to look at it. 

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You know, we really need to take
a look at how we're doing these 

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studies and unfortunately, it's 
not giving us very correct 

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answers. 
Yeah, yeah, totally. 

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Agreement. 
I'm not in like I read a lot of 

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studies but this is like I mean 
it's not my job in that sense 

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like I'm not a scientist, I'm 
not a doctor but I find a lot of

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Fascination in reading these 
studies and trying to be on The 

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Cutting Edge. 
But for some of this just simply

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trying to be healthy and, you 
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misinformation out there like it
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Google nutrition. 
And what's the best way to eat? 

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Because there's so much 
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there. 
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their own biases in them, and 
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know what to even say the people
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answers. 
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simply being your own experiment
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doesn't and having enough 
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determine if something is 
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Paramount, Yeah, I completely 
agree with you. 

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There. 
There are so many things that 

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can go wrong with with studies 
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are unintentional and I mean, 
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intentional as well. 
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of the studies that were done 
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I mean, the, the Women's Health 
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I'm quoting here. 
I think we're, you know, 

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literally the information was 
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30 years was like it, there is a
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Either that they hide, or they 
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in, might be an obscure texts, 
it's somewhere in the study 

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paper where people can't really 
find it. 

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It's, it's very hard to navigate
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There's there's healthy user 
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it's, it's very difficult. 
And I mean, we have done a few 

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courses so far on understanding,
how to interpret studies. 

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And I can tell you, I'm just, as
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beginning. 
Trying to interpret them. 

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And so I do put a lot of stuff 
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but I can tell you, I I'm still 
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as well. 
It's very, very confusing. 

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working for a big group of 
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doing keto and people that are 
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conversations, get the 
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try it. 
And then the more people that we

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can see that are getting 
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travels. 
So I think that's much better 

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than any study can really give 
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Yeah, I agree when it comes to 
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that you were having some 
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that you're following prior to 
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Yeah, that's right. 
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Is it like, I mean, I can't 
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American style diet. 
Was it? 

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Just consuming more 
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in general. 
Well, I say, what's interesting?

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I do sometimes when I look back 
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that I have learned over the 
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whether or not my my eagerness 
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Maybe more so than the average 
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know, going into nutrition and 
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approach. 
I wonder if I actually did make 

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my situation was, and I look at 
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And, and I do often wonder the 
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all here for a reason, you know,
we're all here to either control

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our weight or to fix some, some 
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And, and so it's likely that 
we've gone to extremes to get 

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there and unfortunately found no
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For example, you know, for 
myself the learning that I I 

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started to really have issues 
around. 

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I started to really have 
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and hay fever, but they were the
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I have problems with my way to 
going into my teen years, you 

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know, like we all do. 
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and so, I tried to control it as
much as I could. 

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And then of course, the learning
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just exercise as much as you can
and you eat mainly plant foods, 

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keep your calories low. 
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probably more And then good, 
really? 

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I I cut out a lot of red meat, I
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but, but I was just basically 
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very, very low calorie fish and 
then going into the the exercise

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space and getting very much into
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for a while. 
I was doing the very standard 

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thing. 
You know, I worked with a coach 

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for a while who had me on six 
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grains and very very So fat, you
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carbohydrates, low fat and 
moderate protein that the usual 

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thing. 
And, of course, my cycle started

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to change then, and it 
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And, you know, I can see now 
looking back that it really did 

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make things worse. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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It's a tricky thing because you 
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recommendations out there for 
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there's never a discussion on 
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maintenance or even sometimes a 
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they're hearing online and 
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people that are, you know, 
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because they're, they're 
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whatever. 
There's this stigma that exists 

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and people just chronically 
under eat and that has a massive

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negative effect on their overall
metabolic rate, their ability to

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build more lean tissue 
maintaining lean tissue and and 

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that's how the equations never 
really focused on. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I have a because I'm so I'm so 
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I have been for so many years 
and especially when it comes to,

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you know, bodybuilding and as I 
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lifting and I can see the, the 
whole female athlete Triad 

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issue, really? 
Fascinates me because it's 

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certainly something I've 
struggled with off and on many 

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many years. 
And, you know, I mean, that it's

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that hole. 
Idea of, you know, you are 

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eating a little less calories 
and you're exercising a lot, and

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so you just not getting enough 
overall and it's stressing your 

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body out and and so many female 
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to their cycle, and many of them
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And as I said I experienced all 
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over and it was always a 
struggle to try and get my 

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period back all the time. 
What can I do to try to get my 

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period back and I think One 
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and is very misunderstood is how
important it is to get obviously

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enough calories. 
But enough of the right 

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calories, you know, the usual 
protocol and that I was told 

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many many times by coaches was 
okay. 

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Well, let's keep upping your 
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certain weight that you know 
until you put on a certain 

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amount of weight and to get in 
certain amount of body fat and 

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then your cycle will return. 
But by doing that, only by 

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carbs, Already. 
You don't really even adding 

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that much fat and then, I mean, 
for myself, my cycle never came 

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back until I started adding a 
lot of different supplements and

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you know, going on all these 
crazy regime's and and at the 

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same time being something like 
10, 15 kilos heavier, which is 

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not great for your mental health
either. 

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And so what I am trying to 
understand and try to get the 

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message across pit as well, is 
that it's about how you feel 

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your body and how dense the 
nutrients are that you've given 

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doing it because the body is 
looking for certain things. 

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And if you're not providing it, 
just by adding back in more 

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grains, that's not really going 
to fix the problem. 

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Your body is looking for things 
and you need to give it those 

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things. 
And that is enough fat enough 

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protein and enough density of 
nutrients. 

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And so, as I said, I think 
prescribing just adding 

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carbohydrates to women in that 
situation is not going to get 

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them anywhere. 
Just going to make them put on 

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weight. 
Yeah, totally. 

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Totally agree. 
Especially in the context of an 

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athlete to mean. 
He's so many of these female 

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competitors in the bodybuilding 
space that they're just they're 

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eating hardly any dietary fat, 
they lose their cycle. 

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You know, months and months out 
from the show and then they just

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feel miserable in the guys to, I
mean, the guy's testosterone 

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tanks, I mean, it's just not a 
healthy sustainable process at 

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all going to bed at that 
traditional route. 

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So like for you, you know, 
you're training. 

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Your lifting heavy lifting 
intensely. 

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What is what is your everyone's 
gonna be a little different. 

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But what is your Personal like 
caloric intake, macro 

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distribution. 
Split, like how do you kind of 

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structure that that works well 
for you? 

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I'll be perfectly honest, and I 
don't want to be one of those 

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people. 
That's why. 

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I don't know. 
I genuinely don't know what my 

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calorie intake is at the moment.
I don't know I, but I do cycle 

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my calories and because I've 
been in this, you know, because 

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I've been so aware of my food 
for so many years. 

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I mean, as I said, I started 
getting into the gym when I was 

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about 16 and I'm now 33. 
So, I've been in this place a 

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long time, I'm very good at 
eyeballing food, I know what 

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protein gives me more Protein 
rather than fat, I know the Lena

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cuts under the fatty Cuts. 
So, what I tend to do is I aim 

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for about 100 to 120 grams of 
protein a day, I'm eating pretty

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high. 
I'm pretty short as well. 

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So, but I feel like my body 
looks for it. 

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I, if I'm having less protein in
a day, I feel like my body then 

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wants it the next day. 
More don't know how many grams 

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of fat I'm having but I do like 
to cycle it. 

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So what I do is sort of a couple
of days in a row Go where I'm 

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doing more heavy on the fat. 
So I'll deliberately choose, I 

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usually do about two meals and 
for those two meals, I'll 

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deliberately choose, you know? 
If it's if it's ground beef or 

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to be like, 80/20, I'd go for 
then. 

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I would put in a little bit of 
extra fat. 

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From, you know, I actually like 
to air fry chunks of fat. 

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So I guess you could say, I'm 
probably eating quite a lot of 

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fat. 
I don't know how many grams that

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would be maybe 80 to A day and 
then and then every few days I 

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drop it back a little bit and I 
feel like my body's at a point 

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now where it almost tells me 
when that they needs to be. 

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So I find that I'm craving less 
bad. 

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I'm craving more protein and so 
but because I'm at a pretty lean

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level these days. 
I don't know what my body fat 

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is. 
I think it's maybe 15 or 16 or 

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something. 
I wouldn't want to go more than 

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one day where I choose Lena 
things. 

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And when I say I choose Lena 
things, it's like I don't Don't 

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go chicken breast and you know 
tilapia I go the just I feel it 

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as opposed to ribeye and so 
after about a day though I find 

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my body's looking again for fat.
So I'm wanting more fatty things

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and I just find that that sort 
of seems to work really well. 

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For me. 
I feel like it goes with my 

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Hunger cues, I feel really say 
Sedated by it and with my 

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knowledge on Just calorie 
cycling in general, I always did

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carb cycling back in the day 
and, of course, now I don't 

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really do that. 
I don't ever do that but I do 

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still like the idea of of 
calorie cycling. 

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I think, it keeps your body 
guessing a little bit. 

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It sort of stops it from getting
too used to anything particular.

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I feel like it gives you sort of
The Best of Both Worlds. 

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Yeah, I think your body works 
very, very well. 

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One thing that I have learned 
from my course, is that the, the

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body He really likes to just be 
in a, in a balanced position. 

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It doesn't like to do anything 
that it doesn't have to do. 

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If you're not, for example, if 
you if you're not training in 

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the gym and you're not showing 
that it needs muscle, it's not 

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going to keep muscle because 
it's to Cal exhausted for it. 

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It doesn't, it doesn't do 
anything. 

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It doesn't need to do. 
So I like to mix it up and sort 

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of keep it guessing some days 
I'll have quite high fat some 

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days. 
I'll have lower-fat some days, I

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have Protein. 
And I just feel like that works 

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really well. 
To keep me at a pretty lame 

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level without feeling ever 
deprived of that adds is the 

447
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600
quick? 
No, not this this it's super 

448
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,100
insightful. 
I feel like the calorie cycling 

449
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:24,400
is a worthwhile thing to dive 
into its you're typically doing 

450
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,100
like a that to Fanny days or so 
and then Alene day and then you 

451
00:25:29,108 --> 00:25:33,500
just repeat that more or less. 
Yeah I usually do about 33 days 

452
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:38,000
it's certainly more of a Pro fat
than it is ever lean. 

453
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,500
So it would be, maybe three, 
four even five days, some days, 

454
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:44,700
and some weeks in a row, I might
do quite a few days where it's 

455
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:47,700
quite high fat. 
And then one day where it's 

456
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,000
dropped, dropped back. 
And as I said, it's never it's 

457
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,400
certainly not protein sparing, 
because protein sparing is like 

458
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,400
30, 40 grams of fat a day. 
It's certainly nothing like 

459
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,200
that, we've protein sparing, as 
you know, I mean, we're going 

460
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:07,900
egg whites, we're going fish. 
You know, very, very lame for 

461
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,300
me, it's not that lean, it's 
just it's leaner cut. 

462
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:15,500
So I feel it, things like that 
and that would be one day and 

463
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,400
then I'm right back onto the 
high fat, again, do you have an 

464
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,100
opinion of the protein sparing 
modified fast? 

465
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:29,100
I personally think if you're 
going to be doing fasting, I 

466
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,600
prefer it because I'm a big 
advocate of as much muscle as 

467
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,300
you can possibly have. 
I can see the idea behind it. 

468
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,700
It and I've certainly 
experimented a lot myself with 

469
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,300
it and I find it pretty 
successful and it makes sense. 

470
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,900
Biochemistry, why is it does 
make sense? 

471
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,500
You're dropping fatback enough 
that, you know, and especially 

472
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,300
if you are if you are fat 
adapted, then if they're not 

473
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:54,400
bringing in fat, then your body.
Where else is it going to look 

474
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,500
for energy? 
It's going to go back into your 

475
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,600
stores of fat, but the key is 
that you really need to be very 

476
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,300
fat adapter. 
From what I can see, as well. 

477
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,300
The further you go and I posted 
something about this the other 

478
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,700
day. 
The further you go with being 

479
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,700
keto, fat adapted, you know, the
more your body really does 

480
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:19,600
genuinely prefer to just use 
ketones, it gets very used to 

481
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000
it. 
And there are places in in the 

482
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,600
body like the brain that we do 
need glucose, we do need to have

483
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,900
that. 
But I mean it's so amazing. 

484
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,300
That there are places like the 
muscle where their hybrid and 

485
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,100
and they literally will just go,
you know, I'm going to use fat, 

486
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,400
it's becomes very easy for the 
muscles to use fat. 

487
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,500
So any little tiny bit of 
glucose that you do have, will 

488
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,500
go directly to the places that 
desperately need it. 

489
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,600
And so, when I first started 
looking into the protein, a 

490
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:53,100
protein sparing, I thought, yes,
but you surely would start 

491
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,100
breaking down a lot more of 
your, of your protein. 

492
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,200
But I think what I can see is 
that provided that you've been 

493
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:04,500
Fat adapted for enough time and 
I'm talking like at least 6 

494
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:08,100
months, then you should really 
shouldn't be tapping into your 

495
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,400
protein at all. 
But the key, there's a few 

496
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,400
nuances, I believe you'd have to
be eating, certainly enough 

497
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,100
protein. 
So that you're not because when 

498
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:21,600
we when we are going through 
gluconeogenesis, we are actually

499
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,100
using substrates that we need to
break down protein a little bit.

500
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,500
So you need to be making sure 
that you are getting enough 

501
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:32,500
protein. 
And that's why I'm not a huge 

502
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,100
fan of straight fasting. 
For many days in a row because 

503
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,300
if you are creating your own 
glucose, which you will have to 

504
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,900
do, to some degree, you are 
going to be breaking down a 

505
00:28:41,908 --> 00:28:44,600
little bit of protein and some 
of your amino acid. 

506
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,100
So you want to be stocking up 
things like your solo acetate by

507
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:53,300
adding in enough protein but you
also want to have enough energy 

508
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,400
stored on your body. 
If your and that will be 

509
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
slightly higher for females, if 
you're a female that's only 

510
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,600
nine. 
Nine percent body fat and you 

511
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,500
trying to do protein sparing as 
opposed to fasting, I wouldn't 

512
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,700
recommend it because you just 
don't really have enough to tap 

513
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:09,800
into. 
If you're twenty percent body 

514
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200
fat, maybe you could do a little
bit but where I'm at right now. 

515
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,000
I always make sure that I'm 
bringing in some fat through my 

516
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,800
diet. 
Even if it's a leaner day, there

517
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,100
is always some fat to use. 
Yeah, but the idea of 

518
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,300
understands. 
Yeah, totally graphic. 

519
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,900
There's there was one study I 
think that came out and perhaps 

520
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,600
there's been more but Basically 
pointing to a protein sparing 

521
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,100
modified fast approach being 
more muscle, sparing than a 

522
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:43,900
similar amount of time spent in 
a true fast, which I get that it

523
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:47,400
makes sense. 
But my issue there is I don't 

524
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600
really recommend extended 
fasting as a form of, you know, 

525
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
weight loss and fat loss. 
I mean, you can certainly 

526
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,100
benefit from extended fasting 
done. 

527
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:58,700
Strategically not too 
frequently, but I don't really 

528
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:02,900
ever point to fasting. 
Per se as they primary way of 

529
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,400
losing body fat. 
And I feel like a lot of people 

530
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,800
especially people that are just 
simply motivated by the sing the

531
00:30:07,808 --> 00:30:10,500
scale drop, they'll do a 
protein, sparing modified fast 

532
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,900
and which the recommended 
caloric intake is, you know, 400

533
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,800
500, 600 calories. 
They'll see that drop in scale, 

534
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,900
weight, and then just become 
addicted to seeing that. 

535
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,300
So wind up spending far too long
in that really, really low, 

536
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:26,000
caloric intake State. 
Yeah, I completely agree. 

537
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,300
I think there's a lot of things 
that can possibly go wrong. 

538
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:31,800
I think you can, even if you are
getting A lot of success with 

539
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,700
that, I think it would be very 
difficult to to get back out of 

540
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:38,700
that mentally, as well to feel 
like we'll hang on. 

541
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,100
If I go back to normal eating 
there now, am I going to start 

542
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:45,500
putting on weight? 
And I know for my, if I I don't 

543
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,300
like to do too many lean days in
a row as I said, because I don't

544
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,600
feel as good. 
I am pretty lean which which 

545
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,100
makes sense why don't feel it's 
great. 

546
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:58,600
But but certainly, if I was to 
do a couple of consecutive days,

547
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,700
I would start thinking Thinking,
oh, well, is it going to, you 

548
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,700
know, like, there's a lot of 
mental things, but can sort of 

549
00:31:04,708 --> 00:31:08,200
happen there. 
I also would be concerned that 

550
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,100
people are lost my train of 
thought there, but I would just 

551
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:16,100
be concerned that overall, that 
they would be getting enough 

552
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:21,300
overall density of nutrients, 
because, I mean it's like, I'm 

553
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,100
agreeing with you, I'm not a 
huge fan of extended fasting, 

554
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,300
anyway, I don't really think 
it's the best way to do it, 

555
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,600
because we both come from a very
weak. 

556
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,400
We like muscle and we don't want
to do anything possibly going to

557
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,500
drop muscle but I also think as 
well if you're doing a protein 

558
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:45,400
sparing day inevitably you're 
not going to get as many of the 

559
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,800
nutrients because if you're 
going to go leaner Cuts like for

560
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000
example, somebody that's going 
to do protein, sparing will 

561
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,500
probably do egg whites. 
They'll probably do chicken 

562
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,700
breasts, you know, fish there's 
a lot of nutrients in it, but I 

563
00:31:55,700 --> 00:32:02,600
think as far as I understand the
deeper color, That the meat is 

564
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,000
the more nutrient density. 
You're going to be getting 

565
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,200
overall I mean let's that's why 
it beef liver. 

566
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,300
For example is so nutrient dense
it's and it's such a deep color.

567
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:15,100
It's filled with things, it's 
filled with iron and so I would 

568
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,800
be concerned about somebody 
doing protein sparing too often 

569
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,500
as well just because if they're 
eating a lot of chicken breasts,

570
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:22,800
eating a lot of egg whites, 
there's not a lot of nutrient 

571
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,400
density in there and the organ 
meats and things like that. 

572
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,900
I'm not saying you have to do 
organ Meats but I just think you

573
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:33,400
get so much nutrient density 
from Being a deep red, bloody 

574
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,700
steak. 
Yeah. 

575
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:37,600
Way more than you get from 
chicken breast so much that 

576
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,800
would care as well. 
Yeah, yes. 

577
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,300
I feel like, the, the protein 
sparing has just really gained a

578
00:32:45,308 --> 00:32:47,700
lot of momentum, because it's 
kind of like the extreme version

579
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,200
of the, the train of thought. 
That if you have much fat to 

580
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,000
lose, you shouldn't have much 
fat on your plate. 

581
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,900
And I've never really agreed 
with that in its Essence from 

582
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:59,400
the beginning. 
I mean, I definitely understand 

583
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,500
the caloric load of fat and that
you need to optimize that 

584
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,500
calorie intake based off of your
goals. 

585
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,800
But I think the concept of the 
notion that if you have more fat

586
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,000
to lose, simply consume less 
dietary fat. 

587
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,000
You know, is just an over 
simplification of the process in

588
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,600
my opinion. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with 

589
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,900
you. 
I mean the the, the concept of 

590
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:29,400
the what we will tap into first 
and what we burn, first 

591
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,000
oxidative priority does 
Fascinate me a lot. 

592
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,400
And in a lot of ways I do but I 
do feel like the further I get 

593
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,500
into my course the more I find 
that yeah the body really is a 

594
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,000
machine. 
It's a machine. 

595
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,300
Nothing, particularly magical 
happens. 

596
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
It I used to look at the way the
human body was is oh my God. 

597
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,400
What if this happens one day, 
what nothing? 

598
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:55,000
There's always seems to be a 
reason for things to occur and 

599
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,800
and it's a machine. 
But having said that, I think 

600
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,200
your body it does. 
As fast is, it's not as simple 

601
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,300
as well. 
If you've got fat on your body, 

602
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:10,699
don't ever eat any fat. 
Your body needs a certain amount

603
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:13,300
in order, for example, to absorb
nutrients. 

604
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:17,100
I mean, if you're, if you're 
eating a steak, for example, you

605
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,900
I've seen a couple of amazing 
studies showing that you'll 

606
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,000
actually absorb more nutrients 
into your blood. 

607
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,400
If you consume that the protein 
that you're getting with a bit 

608
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,199
of fat with it, so for Bowl 
Mother Nature gives us a, for 

609
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,199
example, of rib eye. 
It's a beautiful combination of 

610
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:38,800
fat and protein. 
And there's a reason for that, 

611
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,800
we're not to really supposed to 
eat protein on its own very 

612
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,800
often because we just don't 
absorb it as well. 

613
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:50,600
And so, my opinion of it is, I 
don't really ever eat anything 

614
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,000
that I would never eat. 
Would never cut the fat off 

615
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,700
deliberately. 
I sort of, as I said, I'd 

616
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:02,000
sometimes choose Lena things 
because my Appetite calls for it

617
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200
but I certainly think people can
people usually do the best and 

618
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,800
feel the best and get the best 
results when they just eat 

619
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,500
protein as it comes in nature, 
if it's lamb chops and it's got 

620
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,300
a bit of fat on any, the fact, 
if it's a steak and it's got 

621
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:21,200
blood on it, eat the fat. 
I don't, I probably wouldn't eat

622
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,600
pork belly, every single meal of
every single day. 

623
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,700
I think people can probably 
overdo fat on a carnivore diet, 

624
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,400
for example, or a keto diet if 
they're adding, copious Fat. 

625
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,200
But I think, especially if you 
are somebody who is very active,

626
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,300
I'm certainly very active and so
I add a little bit of extra fat 

627
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,100
here and there, if I, if I want 
it. 

628
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,900
But one thing I do love about 
the the keto diet and the 

629
00:35:44,908 --> 00:35:48,800
carnivore diet is that I feel 
like over time and yes it takes 

630
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,700
it can take a while but I think 
over time your body because it 

631
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,200
gets rid of all the other 
conditions that you might be, 

632
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:59,200
you know, fighting but binge 
eating and things like that. 

633
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,300
I think once it once You are 
able to bring your body back to 

634
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:07,600
a nice Baseline of Health, it 
becomes quite clear what your 

635
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,900
body is looking for and what 
your body needs day-to-day. 

636
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,400
And and I mean that's a bit of 
an over simplification 

637
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,900
simplification and I think it 
might not work that way for 

638
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,000
everybody, but I think 
generally, you do certainly get 

639
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,400
better at being able to know and
understand what your body is 

640
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,100
asking. 
For no, I totally 100% agree. 

641
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:30,900
I think that that's honestly 
been one of my big you know In 

642
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,300
favor of adopting a ketogenic 
diet as a lifestyle for the Long

643
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:37,000
Haul is that you continue to get
more and more deeply adapted. 

644
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Your body is able to acclimate 
to the foods that you're 

645
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,900
consuming and then be able to 
use them from a performance 

646
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,700
standpoint much more 
efficiently, which brings me to 

647
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,400
the next question, which is you 
mentioned, you've been carnivore

648
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,100
for two and a half years now. 
Yeah. 

649
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,600
About two and a half years. 
Yes. 

650
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,300
And you're also an athlete. 
You're training hard now is that

651
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:58,100
carnivore. 
There seems to be like a million

652
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,700
definitions for these days these
days. 

653
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,700
There's Your definition of 
carnivore include fruit and 

654
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:04,900
honey, and things of that 
nature. 

655
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
It did for a period. 
So when I first started 

656
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,700
carnivore, I did about a year 
where I literally just did all 

657
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:18,600
the meats and salt and coffee. 
But that was really the only 

658
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,800
plant food I had. 
And then, of course, you know, I

659
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,300
started to bring things back in 
one side healed. 

660
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,800
You know, the things that I was 
dealing with, I thought. 

661
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,300
Yeah, I would experiment with 
avocado and I'll bring back in a

662
00:37:30,308 --> 00:37:34,000
bit of On plant foods and yeah, 
that worked okay for a little 

663
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,400
while, then I did a period where
I bought it all back out again 

664
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,700
and I was just eating meat and 
then I jumped on the honey 

665
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:47,300
bandwagon as you as we all get 
goodbye and I did that for a few

666
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,000
months and gave it a good go. 
And and what was interesting for

667
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,000
me, was when I jumped into that,
I had been doing just meet for 

668
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,200
many months in a row. 
And so, I was able to see kind 

669
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,500
of like, Night and day. 
The difference between adding I 

670
00:38:03,508 --> 00:38:06,100
was having about 2 tablespoons 
of Honey a day. 

671
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:10,000
So for somebody, eating zero 
carbs to adding two tablespoons 

672
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,200
of honey, that was a bit of a 
change and people could argue 

673
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,900
that are well that's not really 
that much. 

674
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,100
But for me going from zero carb,
that was a bit of a jump. 

675
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,200
There are a couple of things I 
noted from that. 

676
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,400
I felt like my muscles were a 
little bit more swole with you 

677
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,700
which makes sense because I It's
your maybe. 

678
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:38,000
I was storing a little bit more 
glycogen when we saw, you know, 

679
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,300
carbohydrates for stirring a 
little bit more water. 

680
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,700
So I felt like my muscles were a
little bit larger. 

681
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:51,400
I didn't feel quite as lean and 
the biggest one for me, well, I 

682
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,100
didn't feel any extra energy in 
the gym and this brings me into 

683
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,600
my the last conclusion, which I 
didn't like in the reason why I 

684
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,500
dropped it back out again, the 
honey. 

685
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,000
Because I felt like my Cravings 
suddenly came back. 

686
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,200
I felt I noticed myself suddenly
looking for things like dates 

687
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,700
and looking for what sweetener 
can I add to my black coffee? 

688
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,900
How else can I, you know, I just
felt like it that the Cravings 

689
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:19,700
really, really did come back 
and, and I felt like I was a 

690
00:39:19,707 --> 00:39:22,000
little bit more out of control 
of of that. 

691
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:26,700
I also felt like in the gym, I 
didn't give me more energy, but 

692
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,700
I did feel like, for example, 
fasting, I found quite 

693
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:35,200
difficult, I felt like if I 
trained usually and I mean, this

694
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
might not be ideal for muscle 
building, but it works with my 

695
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,100
schedule. 
I wake up. 

696
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,500
I go to the gym, fasted, I'm 
always faster. 

697
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,200
When I go to the gym, I feel 
like it just, I work the best, I

698
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200
feel clearest doing that. 
And usually there's quite a few 

699
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,700
hours in between after I've 
finished training to when I eat.

700
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:57,600
So, you know, I'm really 
training right within in between

701
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,300
the, the fasted state. 
But when I added In the honey, 

702
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:05,100
even though the last time I was 
having honey was was before 

703
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,800
going to bed, so it was my 
dinner meal and there were many,

704
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,800
many hours in between then and 
the gym, I felt like my energy 

705
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,600
levels weren't as great and that
makes sense, because I guess my 

706
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,700
body was sort of saying, well, 
there's available glucose now, 

707
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,700
so we'll start using that. 
But then, of course, once I'd 

708
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:28,000
done 30, 40 minutes of training,
I've probably depleted the 

709
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:32,100
little tiny bit that I'm story. 
And therefore then my body's 

710
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,000
like well where is it? 
I don't have any energy left and

711
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,700
so I felt the drop. 
So going back to not having any 

712
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,500
honey. 
I certainly felt better overall.

713
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,200
I will say, I think I feel a 
little bit leaner. 

714
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,600
I feel like my muscles maybe 
aren't as large but I certainly 

715
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,900
don't have any Cravings anymore.
So yeah. 

716
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,500
Interesting experiment. 
Yeah, no, super interesting. 

717
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:58,300
I feel like there's been a 
massive push for this targeted. 

718
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:02,300
Keto, I guess approach targeted 
corner for Leveraging you know 

719
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:05,600
certain types of starches and 
things like honey. 

720
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,700
And I feel like my theory has 
always been that it's kind of 

721
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,200
like putting you in some type of
nutritional product or your 

722
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,900
limbo so to speak. 
Like you're not really 

723
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,500
optimizing for one or the other 
so you're kind of in this limbo 

724
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:23,700
land and I can totally see the 
concept of if you're consuming 

725
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,400
more carbohydrates, you're going
to have more glycogen and then 

726
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,000
you may have this Fuller 
appearance. 

727
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,100
But from a bond, Building 
standpoint like for me and my 

728
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,800
sport you know so many 
bodybuilders try and time that 

729
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,300
just right and then have their 
muscles. 

730
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:43,100
Super compensate with glycogen 
going into a show and you can do

731
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:47,600
that but it is really risky. 
I mean, you depending on what 

732
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,800
variables and what leverage your
pulling you run the risk of 

733
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,700
spilling over and looking much 
much worse than had, you not 

734
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,600
done any of that manipulation to
begin with, and if you get your 

735
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,400
electrolytes tile and then you 
are fully hydrated and you time 

736
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,500
things properly, you can bring a
relief. 

737
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,000
You'll look without the 
carbohydrates and I've never 

738
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,700
noticed any benefit from an 
energy standpoint or like a 

739
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:11,400
recovery or just strength output
standpoint with carbohydrates 

740
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,700
relative to just stay in strict 
keto. 

741
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:17,500
So, I've always just stayed 
straight keto, but I get the 

742
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,700
appeal as to why somebody would 
want to make that experiment for

743
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,300
sure. 
It's it was certainly, yeah, it 

744
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,800
was certainly an interesting, it
was an interesting experiment 

745
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,500
for myself and I don't know if I
quite understand exactly. 

746
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,200
What was going on there, but I 
mean, I one of my favorite 

747
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,600
studies was the country, but it 
was called. 

748
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600
But I think it was all like 
Infinity with, but they looked 

749
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,400
at the people that had done a 
low-carbohydrate diet and then 

750
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,300
the people that had been doing 
high carb and, you know, they 

751
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,400
did the muscle biopsy before 
during after, I believe. 

752
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,100
And they had the same amount of 
glycogen stores. 

753
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:59,000
So, you know, I don't know if I 
quite understand the whole 

754
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,700
process of it, totally, but But 
I personally if I was to ever do

755
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,100
a bodybuilding show or 
something, I wouldn't add 

756
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,600
carbohydrates back in. 
As you say I feel like it would 

757
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,200
be too much of a slippery slope 
and and I feel like it could 

758
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,000
compromise your results a little
bit right at the end. 

759
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,400
And as you said about the the 
electrolytes, I think that's 

760
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,700
that for me was the biggest 
night and day change with my 

761
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,100
training capacity was making 
sure I have the right 

762
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,600
electrolytes. 
Yeah, I think that I mean, if 

763
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,600
you get the electron style, 
then, and there's so many 

764
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,200
things, so many things that you 
can manipulate with electrolytes

765
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
specifically. 
I mean, you know, a 1 gram 

766
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,000
increase of sodium timed and the
right instance is going to have 

767
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,700
a favorable effect on your 
appearance for like, a 48 hour 

768
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:46,400
span, you know, depending on 
where that equilibrium point 

769
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,300
lies. 
But you, most people will never 

770
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:53,800
really know that and realize 
that to that extent because 

771
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000
they're not lean enough to see 
that difference in water 

772
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,200
retention. 
And I honestly just don't know 

773
00:43:58,207 --> 00:44:00,300
what they're looking for, 
because they haven't needed to 

774
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,000
really get things down then, to 
that extent. 

775
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,700
But you look at people that are 
like going for a long drive or 

776
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,900
something and they're sitting in
a car for six plus h they have, 

777
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,600
you know, fluid retention in a 
demon around their ankles, you 

778
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,900
know, even if they're drinking 
the same amount of water, if 

779
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,400
they're able to distribute that 
fluid in the right spots, 

780
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,500
ideally in the muscle tissue 
that in itself, you know, and 

781
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,300
Peak properly for stepping on 
stage or a photo shoot or 

782
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,300
something of that nature. 
It has a pretty drastic. 

783
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,500
Big change in how they're 
they're appearing in that 

784
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:31,500
moment. 
Yeah, it's a, it's a 

785
00:44:31,508 --> 00:44:33,600
fascinating. 
I think electrolytes. 

786
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,800
And the whole electrolyte 
balance thing is, is one of my 

787
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,500
favorite topics. 
I'm still yet to really fully 

788
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,700
understand it and it confuses me
greatly. 

789
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,900
But, I mean, over the last few 
years of study, I really might 

790
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,500
my favorite. 
Organ is the kidneys because I 

791
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,500
just think they are the job that
they do and when it comes to 

792
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:59,000
fluid balance Johnson and that 
Pang of In almost every every 

793
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,100
thing in the body, it's 
fascinating. 

794
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:06,100
So yeah, I really, as I said at 
the whole concept, still 

795
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:09,300
completely confuses me but 
electrolytes, I think are one of

796
00:45:09,308 --> 00:45:12,900
those things that are really, 
really misunderstood. 

797
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:18,400
And I really hope that people in
this space that are not looking 

798
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,700
into their electrolytes that 
they that they start. 

799
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,800
I mean, that doesn't mean that 
you have to start purchasing 

800
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,500
element or anything like that 
but really making sure that At 

801
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,500
you're not skimping on sodium 
and making sure that you're 

802
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,500
like. 
I think people underestimate 

803
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:35,600
just how much especially when 
you're in a low carbohydrate 

804
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,600
State. 
How much extra sodium you 

805
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,800
actually need. 
And for example, for myself, 

806
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:45,600
whenever I drink water, it 
always has salt in it. 

807
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,900
I always put salt in my water. 
I do sometimes have element as 

808
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,300
well. 
But yeah, I mean, I'm 

809
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:55,200
deliberately have a lot of salt.
Do you have a lot better? 

810
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:57,600
How many grams are You're 
probably consuming you probably 

811
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,700
not tracking that consistently 
but just ballpark, I would go 

812
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:07,300
for about six to ten. 
So I used to when I when I first

813
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:10,700
started out adding the, the 
sodium I would put it in a 

814
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:15,000
little dish next to my, you 
know, water jug. 

815
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,200
And I would make sure that I 
either put that on my food or 

816
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,200
put it in my water. 
Yeah, I would say I'm probably 

817
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,600
having six to ten got. 
Ya feel like that's That's a 

818
00:46:26,607 --> 00:46:29,400
good sweet spot especially for 
someone that's training is you 

819
00:46:29,408 --> 00:46:32,100
know, frequently as you are I 
typically start my clients at 

820
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,900
like 4 grams and then titrate up
from there to kind of figure out

821
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,100
their sweet spot. 
So to speak but it winds up 

822
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:41,800
being around that that intake. 
I think they were days in my 

823
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,800
last prep where I was logging 
like 10 12 grams of salt today 

824
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,700
and my body tolerated. 
It just fine. 

825
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:50,400
I craved it more. 
In fact and I was keeping my 

826
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,100
potassium up pretty high as 
well. 

827
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:56,100
But it's definitely interesting 
how you can shift your body's 

828
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,500
weight. 
Here appearance, the thinness of

829
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:00,600
your skin all with just simply 
tweaking. 

830
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:04,900
Sodium potassium fluid levels. 
Absolutely fascinating, I agree 

831
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,200
with you. 
Yeah, it's not any one thing I'd

832
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,900
love to pick your brain on is 
hormonal health for females in 

833
00:47:11,908 --> 00:47:14,700
the context of a strict 
carnivore diet because there's 

834
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:21,800
been a massive uptick it seems 
in in the keto space of females 

835
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,200
coming under the impression that
they can't have long. 

836
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,500
Long-standing hormonal Health in
the absence of carbohydrates 

837
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:33,700
especially around their Cycles. 
My theory has always been that 

838
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:35,600
the people that are having those
issues are. 

839
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Oftentimes the ones that are 
simply chronically under eating 

840
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,700
in general. 
And then when they introduce 

841
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,400
more nutrition at Baseline that 
those symptoms typically 

842
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,700
resolve. 
But I'd love to get your, your 

843
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:51,900
thoughts on the matter. 
Yeah, it's a, this this topic 

844
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,500
fascinates me again because I 
struggled with it so much 

845
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:59,000
myself, I I don't know if I ever
actually had. 

846
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:05,000
For example, I mean, I didn't 
blood test, my one regret with 

847
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
this whole journey, is that I 
didn't get a blood test at the 

848
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,900
beginning and and then keep 
doing blood tests throughout. 

849
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,200
So I don't really have a 
baseline to compare it to all. 

850
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,600
I'm comparing two for myself is,
is is just changes in my own 

851
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,600
body, the return of my cycle. 
For example, after many years of

852
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,100
not having it and just by 
understanding of the body in 

853
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,100
general and and and looking at 
people, In the community. 

854
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:30,800
I think there are a lot of 
things going on. 

855
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,900
I think it depends a lot on 
where you're coming from. 

856
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,500
Do I see? 
For example, Hashimoto's, a lot 

857
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:43,300
of women come into this space, 
trying to fix thyroid conditions

858
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,300
and I think with that one 
specifically, it can probably 

859
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:52,100
depend on how long have you had 
this autoimmune issue if you've 

860
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,800
had it, if you're in your mid 
40s and you've had it? 

861
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,400
Many, many, many, many years of 
your life, it is likely that 

862
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,100
maybe that tissue is damaged, 
you know? 

863
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:08,800
I mean, if your immune system 
is, is chronically attacking its

864
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,400
cells but the body's cells, 
there does come a point where 

865
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,900
probably there is no return. 
And and I think there are some 

866
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,100
people that maybe won't ever 
completely heal, for example a 

867
00:49:19,107 --> 00:49:23,400
thyroid issue and they might 
need to, you know, medicate for 

868
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,600
that. 
And so I think we do Kind of 

869
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,900
ODOT indicator diet. 
I think when it comes to 

870
00:49:28,908 --> 00:49:32,900
hormonal problems like that, 
there can be a lot of relief 

871
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,300
from them sometimes, maybe not 
complete healing. 

872
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,300
And I think that's depressing 
for some people because it's 

873
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,700
like, you take on something like
the kind of or Diet, you think, 

874
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,600
great this will heal everything,
sometimes, it might not, but I 

875
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,400
certainly think it's it, can, it
can take it to a level that is 

876
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,900
much more manageable and maybe 
even take away all the symptoms 

877
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:53,200
that you've that you've ever 
dealt with, but I don't 

878
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,400
personally believe it's that. 
You need carbohydrates to make 

879
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,700
healthy hormones because we 
don't make hormones from 

880
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:02,500
carbohydrates. 
We make hormones from 

881
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,000
cholesterol and from, you know, 
from fat. 

882
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:10,800
And so I personally believe that
friend from what I can 

883
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,000
understand from the biochemistry
as well, really? 

884
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,100
Like it is very, very, very 
important to make sure that 

885
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,200
you're getting enough fat. 
And you're getting the right fat

886
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,900
that your body can do good 
things with and your body 

887
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:27,600
understands what to do with, you
know, not Running cholesterol 

888
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,100
and making sure that you're 
having enough saturated fat. 

889
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
I think the problem is well 
with, for example, having a lot 

890
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,000
of seed oils, you might be 
getting a lot of fat, but your 

891
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,700
body kind of, it's a plant oil, 
your body doesn't really know 

892
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,700
what to do with it. 
And then it, unfortunately, when

893
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:51,600
we break down different fats 
like that it can, it can make 

894
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,600
your body go down different 
Pathways than it would have. 

895
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,200
For example, the Amiga 32 Amiga 
6, you know, if you have more 

896
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,700
mega six, then you tend to go 
down that that's breakdown 

897
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,600
pathway as opposed to the 
omega-3 pathway because we use 

898
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,300
the same enzymes for those two 
types of facts. 

899
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,600
So, I think when it comes to 
hormones, it's about making sure

900
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,500
that you have enough enough fat 
and that you're getting the 

901
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:24,000
right fast. 
So from animal sources, you 

902
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,100
know, the body knows what to do 
with animals. 

903
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,000
Staff at it it knows exactly 
what to do because we are 

904
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,600
animals and it's kind of like 
the same system. 

905
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,200
Like I've had a beautiful 
analogy. 

906
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Once before of you give your 
body what it knows what to do 

907
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,600
with because it's like putting 
you know it's like an iPhone and

908
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,100
having Samsung you know, a 
Samsung SIM card in an iPhone. 

909
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,300
It doesn't know what to do with 
it. 

910
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:51,900
So if you give it the technology
that it knows what to do with 

911
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,600
then then it will do good things
with it for me, also, as well, I

912
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,600
think. 
A protein is a big, it's a big, 

913
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,600
big deal as well, because 
protein, I mean, everything in 

914
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,800
the body is protein, almost. 
I mean, enzymes. 

915
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,300
You know, I'm just trying to 
think of all the things that we 

916
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,800
use protein for. 
We need enough protein, and you 

917
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,100
can't shun pretend, you can't 
shun the protein that we know 

918
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,100
what to do with the animal 
protein. 

919
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:23,500
Again, we are animals and we 
need the protein that we know 

920
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:28,300
what to to use it for. 
Also nutrient density. 

921
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,500
I think that's what the body is 
seeking out. 

922
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:35,300
Its it's seeking out enough 
nutrients so that it no so that 

923
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,200
it can make and build things 
that it needs to build. 

924
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,100
And so, when it comes to 
hormones, as I said, it's very 

925
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,700
important to get enough fat, the
right fat and enough protein, 

926
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,800
and enough, nutrient density. 
And for myself personally, I 

927
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:55,600
never had to add carbohydrates 
in order to get my cycle back. 

928
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,700
And in order to maintain a 
healthy cycle, my there were no 

929
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:02,500
joke. 
I was able to get my period back

930
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,800
before. 
I did the honey experiment just 

931
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,100
in case, anybody was going to 
ask. 

932
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,300
So that was all just don't 
completely on meat and fat only.

933
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:17,000
And it didn't really, it didn't 
affect my cycle in a positive 

934
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,700
way by adding it. 
As I said, I feel much better in

935
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:24,400
general. 
My cycle is completely regular 

936
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,100
now on just back. 
Meet at that. 

937
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Yeah, yeah. 
No. 

938
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,300
I totally agree with everything.
You just said. 

939
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:33,400
I feel like I'm not a female. 
So I when I say those same 

940
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,600
things that seems to carry much 
less weight than when I went to 

941
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,800
FEMA says. 
I'm so glad to hear all your 

942
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,700
saying for sure. 
I kind of want to take this last

943
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,400
little bit and turn the 
conversation a different 

944
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,200
direction here. 
So you you mentioned you have 

945
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,200
kids. 
How many kids you have? 

946
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,800
I had two little girls two 
little girls. 

947
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,300
How old are they? 
I've got five year old and two 

948
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:53,800
and a half, five and two and a 
half. 

949
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Okay, so you're in school, 
you're learning all about the 

950
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,400
benefits of ample, vegetation 
fiber, you know, carbohydrates 

951
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,500
for energy yet, you have found 
all the success with a carnivore

952
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:09,000
diet. 
How do you go about raising your

953
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
children and trying to do what's
best for them when it comes to 

954
00:54:12,008 --> 00:54:15,800
nutrition? 
Yeah, it's a difficult one. 

955
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:20,100
It's a difficult one. 
So what makes it tricky for me 

956
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:24,000
as well as that I am recently 
divorced true so hit they the 

957
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,600
kids spend a couple of days at 
their Dads house he people might

958
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,400
find this funny. 
He found a Seventh-Day Adventist

959
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,800
vegan said that their household 
is very good vegan. 

960
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,600
That's a killer serial around 
then I guess. 

961
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Yeah. 
Yes, it is. 

962
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,500
Difficult to, you know, I mean I
can't have my, I can't be too 

963
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,700
particular about it because I 
think I just would lose my mind 

964
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,600
if I think too deeply about what
goes on in there, huh? 

965
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,800
Ask them what they need in their
house but when they're in my 

966
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,800
house, I do give them a bit of 
fruit ice. 

967
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
I don't ever give them bread. 
I don't ever give them pasta 

968
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,500
anymore. 
I give them a lot of meat and I 

969
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,900
make sure that it's always quite
fatty meat. 

970
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,600
And interested I'll tell you 
what's fascinating. 

971
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,100
When they come home, they always
hungry for meat, they always eat

972
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:22,900
better when it comes to the meat
side of it when they have this 

973
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:24,800
dad's house. 
So that's that's interesting. 

974
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,100
I think I think kids bodies sort
of are better at knowing what 

975
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:31,200
they're wanting and then they 
they eat what their body is 

976
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:37,000
asking for. 
But I don't, I don't, I don't 

977
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,700
just give them meat. 
I give them a bit of fruit. 

978
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,100
I just make sure that when I 
give them those Foods, I'm 

979
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:47,900
choosing The fruit and veg that 
I understand the lowest in their

980
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:51,000
toxicity and as I said, I don't,
I don't ever really give them 

981
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,500
grains. 
Having said that though, I know 

982
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,600
they're kids and if they're if 
they're out with friends or 

983
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,900
we're out at the movies or 
something, they have treats, you

984
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:06,100
know, I I'm a I've always been a
big believer in for kids if you 

985
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:11,100
if you make something that they 
can never have it, they're going

986
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:12,800
to want it more. 
I think that's just human 

987
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,200
nature. 
Specially for kids. 

988
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,300
So I don't want them to be that 
kid that goes to other other 

989
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:21,000
people's houses and and you know
the chocolates come out and then

990
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,700
they go absolutely crazy and 
they can't you know, they just 

991
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:27,200
can't control himself. 
So I want them to be aware that 

992
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,000
there are treats in life and we 
can have those Treats. 

993
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,600
But to know what we like to 
prioritize and mummy always is, 

994
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,100
it's very I make a big deal when
they prioritize their meat and 

995
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:45,100
when they eat all their meat. 
Yeah, that's that's how I go 

996
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,800
about it and I just hope that I 
can be an example for them. 

997
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,200
And then as they get older, they
will hopefully. 

998
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Look at what does mommy do. 
Mommy has a lot of Vitality and 

999
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,100
Mommy has a lot of energy and 
she eats a lot of meat and they 

1000
00:56:57,100 --> 00:57:01,600
are aware even at this age that,
you know, mummy loves meat. 

1001
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,100
Yeah. 
So I just like to be the example

1002
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,700
for them and then hope that they
come to a conclusion like that, 

1003
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,700
as they get older and I guess 
the benefit that they have is 

1004
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:12,200
that. 
Yes. 

1005
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Ok. 
They are not Always eating 

1006
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,700
perfectly and you know their 
health might suffer for it a 

1007
00:57:17,707 --> 00:57:20,900
little bit then maybe they will 
develop some little autoimmunity

1008
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,400
things but they'll they'll be 
able to come to me and ask what 

1009
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,000
do I do about this? 
How do I fix this? 

1010
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,900
If they start getting? 
For example if they start being 

1011
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,300
a little bit out of control with
their weight, as a teenager, 

1012
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:34,900
I'll be able to help them 
resolve that in an hour. 

1013
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:38,800
I'll know exactly what to do to 
help them with that and it will 

1014
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,600
always come to make sure you're 
prioritizing your meat daily. 

1015
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,700
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think simply just living

1016
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:47,300
by example like if they're 
looking. 

1017
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,200
I mean, because kids are smart. 
Kids are way smarter than people

1018
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,200
give him credit for but if 
they're looking at you as an 

1019
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,400
example and they're looking at 
their friends parents and you 

1020
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,000
are much healthier than their 
friends parents than sure, they 

1021
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,500
can put two and two together and
realize that it's likely because

1022
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,000
of your lifestyle, which 
includes the activity that 

1023
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
you're doing the training, the 
the corner of or Diet, eating 

1024
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,500
enough protein and of dietary 
fat All Quality sources. 

1025
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,000
And I feel like kids to like if 
you like if they're eating at 

1026
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,800
your place and Feel good, they 
performed and they're able to go

1027
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,700
out and play all day without 
crashing. 

1028
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:19,100
Then they go to a birthday 
party. 

1029
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,800
Eat a bunch of cake and they 
probably not going to feel good 

1030
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,800
afterwards and then you can just
simply have them connect the 

1031
00:58:23,808 --> 00:58:27,100
dots in their own mind as to, 
they don't feel good because of 

1032
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:29,900
that cake. 
You're so right, you? 

1033
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:33,600
So right I think I think 
unfortunately the the way that 

1034
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,800
we grew up, you know, it and 
certainly, I mean, my parents 

1035
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,800
were fantastic, they always 
tried to do the right thing but 

1036
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:44,000
that, you know, we followed that
the standard Approach. 

1037
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,600
And, and it was very became very
difficult for me to ever figure 

1038
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,100
out what is, why do I have all 
these problems? 

1039
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:51,900
Where is this coming from? 
And of course, they didn't have 

1040
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:53,700
the answers, they didn't know, 
the doctors didn't have the 

1041
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:57,200
answers. 
So I think, I think, hopefully, 

1042
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,000
as you said, I mean, my kids 
will be at a pretty good base 

1043
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,900
line and they'll be able to see 
hopefully like night and day, 

1044
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:07,600
like I see myself if I, if I go 
off diet which doesn't usually 

1045
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,000
happen because I don't ever feel
like I need to but you know, if 

1046
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,500
there's some things in my food 
that I don't usually have. 

1047
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:16,500
That are not great. 
It's like night and day. 

1048
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,500
I can see the different 
straightaway and I think to 

1049
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:20,700
myself you know what, I'm not 
going to have that again because

1050
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:24,400
that wasn't worth it. 
So yeah, you so right. 

1051
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,600
I think you've got to lead by 
example and and you know you 

1052
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:33,300
want them to see all foods as 
being okay, but some are better 

1053
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:37,000
than others and some are more of
a treat and some are everyday 

1054
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,200
food. 
So yeah, I think, I think that 

1055
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,900
is absolutely the best way to go
about it. 

1056
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:43,400
Well, Nicki, I don't want to 
take up. 

1057
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,600
Too much of your time here. 
But what is it that you're 

1058
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,200
studying. 
Now that you're most excited 

1059
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,000
about, like what's what's on the
horizon for you? 

1060
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:56,700
Oh my goodness. 
When it comes to what do I want 

1061
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:59,100
to do with? 
This course, when I finish, I 

1062
00:59:59,107 --> 01:00:03,100
have really no idea because I 
can, I'm frightened by the 

1063
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,900
industry a little bit. 
I'm frightened by not being able

1064
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:09,500
to practice the way I want. 
I'm learning about there are 

1065
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,200
ways you can go about. 
For example, being that there 

1066
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,700
are changes in how you word 
things that stop you getting in 

1067
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,600
trouble. 
Like, for example, you can't 

1068
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,900
call yourself a ketogenic diet, 
Titian, but you can close that 

1069
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:24,900
the low-carb Titian things like 
that but I am also aware that 

1070
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:29,200
there are people like Gary dr. 
Gary fitt key and Tim noakes 

1071
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,300
that have gone into a bit of 
Deep Water. 

1072
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:36,200
By pushing things, like they 
said that that does that does 

1073
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,900
worry me a little bit. 
So I think where I can see 

1074
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,800
myself and what gives me the 
most excitement is, the idea of 

1075
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,900
being in research a little bit, 
especially when it comes to 

1076
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:51,300
athletic performance, I would 
love to end. 

1077
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,900
Rebuilding. 
I mean that's where my true 

1078
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:56,100
passions. 
Have always late. 

1079
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,800
I love the idea of seeing what 
people, what people can do in a 

1080
01:01:00,808 --> 01:01:05,300
training, you know, in the gym 
if they are fueled with 

1081
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,000
different different fuels that, 
that's where my passion is. 

1082
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,500
So some kind of research to do 
with that would be fantastic, I 

1083
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:18,700
would like to see more on muscle
building, rather than endurance,

1084
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:23,100
for keep Durance, using key do 
so, I'd love to be able to do 

1085
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,100
some studies on bodybuilders. 
I think that would be 

1086
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:26,900
fascinating because there's just
not much out there. 

1087
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,900
No, I totally agree and our 
interests are definitely a line 

1088
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:33,800
in that regard. 
That's, that's something that I 

1089
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,700
am very passionate about, 
obviously with my my line of 

1090
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,300
work and are of expertise and 
lifestyle but they're you're 

1091
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:41,800
right, there's not that many 
studies out there. 

1092
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,700
Most people most studies run a 
ketogenic diet or first of all 

1093
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,800
done over very short annotation 
phase like short. 

1094
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,000
So short that it's not really 
even, you know, Fair To call him

1095
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,800
a d'ampton. 
And then most of those are done 

1096
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,600
in endurance athletes, there's 
not really much in these 

1097
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,200
strength training sector 
bodybuilding hypertrophy, you 

1098
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,300
know segment. 
So more studies out there would 

1099
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:06,200
be amazing. 
So by all means, leave the 

1100
01:02:06,207 --> 01:02:09,800
charge in that regard. 
Can I ask you actually on that 

1101
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,700
topic? 
I mean, do you have you seen 

1102
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:16,500
many people using this approach 
like you do, or is it not 

1103
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:17,900
really? 
I have definitely. 

1104
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:20,900
So since I'm started, I started 
doing this. 

1105
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:27,500
Doing Quito in 2015, I believe 
2014-2015 my first show with 

1106
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:32,900
keto exclusively keto was 2017. 
And since then, so I started 

1107
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:36,100
putting out a lot more content. 
I've had a lot of competitors 

1108
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,600
come to work with me that have 
come from traditional 

1109
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,400
carbohydrate-based, backgrounds,
and then have gone on to do 

1110
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,200
shows, you know, with my 
Approach via a complete kit, 

1111
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,600
agentic State, and they've only 
spoken about it in a positive 

1112
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,000
light. 
Like they feel They've got 

1113
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,300
pictures, you know, to compare 
between what they look like when

1114
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,100
they were on stage with 
carbohydrates versus a ketogenic

1115
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:02,500
approach and they all look 
better and more improved, you 

1116
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:05,100
know what argument that I? 
Oftentimes get, his people will 

1117
01:03:05,107 --> 01:03:07,400
look at my pictures and they'll 
say, yeah, but you built all 

1118
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,400
your muscle on carbs. 
You're just able to get really 

1119
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,400
lean with Quito and my counter 
to that is I just simply didn't 

1120
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,200
know about keto when I got into 
weightlifting and as you know, 

1121
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,100
when you start training, you 
know, you have that beginner 

1122
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:21,900
gained. 
Ace. 

1123
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:24,500
But then after you've been 
Lifting for five-plus years like

1124
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:27,100
the the amount of lean tissue 
you had year after year is just 

1125
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:29,000
not near as much of its 
miniscule. 

1126
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:31,400
It changes the shape. 
It changes your look changes, 

1127
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,600
the muscle maturity and 
everything. 

1128
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,400
But there's like I just simply 
didn't know about keto as an 

1129
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,500
option when I started lifting. 
And since Quito is as popular as

1130
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,900
it is, now, I'm excited to see 
what this next generation of 

1131
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:45,300
athletes as looking like because
I'm hopeful that there will be 

1132
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:49,200
athletes that have followed a 
ketogenic diet in entirely and 

1133
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,000
we'll be able to kind of see 
what their growth potentials 

1134
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:51,700
looking like. 
Mike. 

1135
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:55,200
It will be very interesting to 
see and I mean, I can tell you 

1136
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,300
for my myself. 
Yeah, certainly there is some 

1137
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:00,500
muscle memory there and of 
course, as I said, I've been 

1138
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:03,500
training for years but there 
there were periods in my life 

1139
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:05,700
where I basically wasn't 
training at all. 

1140
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:11,800
And that was postpartum. 
And I mean, really starting the 

1141
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,900
carnivore diet postpartum about 
a year postpartum. 

1142
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,900
And then from there almost 
wouldn't call it a blank canvas,

1143
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:20,200
of course. 
Yes, I grew. 

1144
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:21,400
I agree with what they're 
saying. 

1145
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,800
You've got a bit of muscle. 
Right. 

1146
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,600
That's really. 
I mean you as I said, your body 

1147
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,800
doesn't hold onto things. 
It doesn't want to hold on to 

1148
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,500
its not going to waste energy so
you know, muscle. 

1149
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:32,100
Unfortunately, we drop muscle 
very, very quickly. 

1150
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:36,100
So for myself, it was almost 
like a Baseline and building and

1151
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:40,100
I've been able to build a pretty
good amount of muscle using 

1152
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,100
using this approach using 
carnivore. 

1153
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,000
And, of course, I could be doing
things even better. 

1154
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,100
I would assume I could be doing 
my training more around my meals

1155
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:52,300
rather than during the fasting 
period, all this sort of stuff. 

1156
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:55,600
So, I guess if I really, really 
wanted to gain muscle, I truly 

1157
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,200
believed we could. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1158
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,800
But yeah. 
I mean, I look at my wife 

1159
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,900
Crystal. 
She, she has been keto for about

1160
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,500
six years, and she's been 
training for about six and a 

1161
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:09,500
half. 
So, I mean, six months of, which

1162
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,000
she was consuming carbohydrates,
but the amount of muscle she's 

1163
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,100
built since that six-month span 
has all been ketogenic. 

1164
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:17,800
I mean, she's totally 
transformed, her shape and her 

1165
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,200
proportions and her strength. 
I mean, so, you know, I point to

1166
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,500
my wife as example. 
Pointing to you. 

1167
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,000
I've often times is not good 
enough in the public eye for, 

1168
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,000
you know, scientific Bank 
studies for what you can build 

1169
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,800
from muscle building standpoint 
with ketosis, I digress. 

1170
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:36,800
Well, you know, I mean, every 
time we see, you know, what 

1171
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,200
people can can do, I think the 
more people that we can see this

1172
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,200
happening with the more we get 
the information out and I think 

1173
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,800
I think it's important to look 
at people's personal stories and

1174
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:50,800
but I mean, just on it very 
quickly, I think people 

1175
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,300
underestimate how How important 
protein is as opposed to 

1176
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:55,800
carbohydrates when it comes to 
training. 

1177
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,400
I mean, especially animal 
protein getting that loot 

1178
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,700
hitting that loosing threshold. 
Several times a day, is going to

1179
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:04,600
give you way more muscle, 
building capacity than any 

1180
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,200
carbohydrate sources ever given 
you. 

1181
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,900
And I do believe that 
carbohydrates are not really 

1182
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:13,400
building new muscle necessarily.
There might be helping you 

1183
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,500
stimulate a little bit more of 
an mtor, but it's more about 

1184
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:19,700
leucine and and I think 
carbohydrates really just make 

1185
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:22,200
your muscles a little bit 
puffier because you're holding 

1186
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,000
it. 
Water. 

1187
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:27,400
So personally in my opinion 
guys, it's about the protein. 

1188
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:31,300
Yeah, totally agree on that. 
Note, this is gonna turn into a,

1189
01:06:31,308 --> 01:06:34,500
to our podcast. 
But do you feel like there is a 

1190
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:38,900
benefit to consuming protein 
multiple times throughout the 

1191
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:41,900
day to reach that threshold? 
Or do you feel like as long as 

1192
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:45,300
you're consuming, ample total 
protein intake throughout the 

1193
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:48,200
course of 24 hour period, you 
should be fine. 

1194
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:53,300
I'm a big believer and splitting
it up because from what I've 

1195
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,700
read and understood about it, 
you you need to hit that 

1196
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:01,700
threshold which is about 2 to 3,
3 to 4 grams of loose. 

1197
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:03,400
I would say three to four grams 
of leucine. 

1198
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:07,100
But once you hit over that, it 
doesn't really give you any 

1199
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,300
extra benefit from what I can 
see. 

1200
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,400
I mean, it I think everybody's a
little bit confused by it as 

1201
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,600
well. 
What does actually happen to 

1202
01:07:13,607 --> 01:07:16,900
that extra protein? 
Does it what does it do? 

1203
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:18,700
I would assume it just gets 
converted. 

1204
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:24,100
To glycogen. 
So yes, I think it's better 

1205
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,800
about splitting it up because if
you just do own that every 

1206
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,000
single day, you're probably 
going to be going over your 

1207
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,200
loose end threshold, but you're 
not going to be getting any more

1208
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,800
benefits to it. 
You're only going to spite the 

1209
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,800
loose end threshold once. 
So I'm a big believer in making 

1210
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,700
sure that you split it up at 
least into two meals, ideally 

1211
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:45,100
two to three. 
But making sure that if you 

1212
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:48,600
split that up, you you have to 
be still hitting that threshold.

1213
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:50,200
Old. 
So if you're splitting it up and

1214
01:07:50,207 --> 01:07:52,400
you're doing six meals a day, I 
don't really agree with that 

1215
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,700
because then you're probably 
only getting maybe like one gram

1216
01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:57,600
of leucine. 
You might be making your meals 

1217
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,900
really small. 
So I'm a big believer in two to 

1218
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:04,000
three meals a day, split it up, 
and make sure you're getting 

1219
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,300
three to four grams of leucine 
per meal. 

1220
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:12,500
So that's looking like about 250
to 300 grams of some kind of 

1221
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:15,800
animal product. 
I would assume most animal 

1222
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,100
products will give you about 
that. 

1223
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:20,500
If you have like a standard 
steak, You know, if you have 

1224
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:24,300
more if it's a fattier cut like 
it's like ribs or something, you

1225
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,600
probably going to need a little 
bit more for because it will be 

1226
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,600
more fat to protein as opposed, 
you know. 

1227
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,899
So so the leaner you go, the 
smaller amount of meat, you'd 

1228
01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:36,399
have to eat if that makes sense.
But yeah, I'm a massive believer

1229
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:38,700
and splitting it up. 
Making sure you're getting 

1230
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,700
amount and and not just doing it
once. 

1231
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:45,100
I totally agree, when I'm in a 
building phase, I'm always 

1232
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:48,600
having two or three meals a day.
Only Duo mad when I'm doing like

1233
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,700
a It and my priority there is 
not in building muscle tissue, 

1234
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:56,300
but I think you're right on 
track with that and just to 

1235
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,600
clarify for the listeners, 
that's 200. 300 grams of meat, 

1236
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,500
not 2 and 300 grams of protein. 
That's correct. 

1237
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:05,899
That's correct. 
Because we need the essential 

1238
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:09,200
amino acids and leucine is the 
one we're talking about here Lu 

1239
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,800
seems the one that really is is 
very important for stimulating, 

1240
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,300
mtor, and stimulating muscle 
protein synthesis, and that is 

1241
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:19,200
only found in animal Foods. 
Foods. 

1242
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,800
Animal protein. 
Yeah, Nikki we're going to have 

1243
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,200
to do multiple podcast. 
Let me just get something more 

1244
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,000
questions, but I know nobody is 
getting along here. 

1245
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,800
Anytime, when is your studies 
over? 

1246
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:37,899
When is the, when you graduate 
So I'll be graduating in 2024. 

1247
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,700
I would love to there's an 
option to do honors. 

1248
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:45,000
I would love to do that, so that
will probably extend it a little

1249
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,800
bit more as well. 
So, yeah, I've got a little bit 

1250
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,700
more to go, but that's a good 
thing because I'm not quite 

1251
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:52,800
ready to get out into the 
workforce yet. 

1252
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,500
I don't quite know exactly what 
I want to do with it, so it's 

1253
01:09:55,500 --> 01:10:00,000
giving me time to to figure all 
that stuff out. 

1254
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,900
But yeah, I've still got a 
little way to go. 

1255
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,600
Well, anytime you Studying 
anything that you find, 

1256
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,300
particularly interesting, you 
have an open invitation to jump 

1257
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,500
on this podcast and enlighten me
anytime. 

1258
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:13,600
So take full advantage of that 
because I've learned a ton just 

1259
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,200
in this conversation. 
All the thank you and do so that

1260
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,900
it's I love talking to people 
especially when they're from 

1261
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,200
specific backgrounds like this 
and especially when it's a 

1262
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,300
background that I absolutely 
love. 

1263
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:27,000
I love everything to do with 
hypertrophy. 

1264
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,900
So yeah, we'll have to share 
some ideas. 

1265
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:32,900
Yeah, absolutely. 
Where do people go to find out 

1266
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,700
more about Who's the Instagram? 
The the best best bet. 

1267
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,000
Instagrams, the best bet. 
Yes. 

1268
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,700
So I'm bio.com dot Nikki and 
yeah, check me out some cool 

1269
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:45,500
stuff. 
It's I'm sorry if it's a little 

1270
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:50,500
bit boring sometimes, guys, it's
a go into the weeds, but it's a 

1271
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:52,600
good way to help me understand 
Concepts as well. 

1272
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,600
If I have to try and teach it 
then I it makes me understand 

1273
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,200
it. 
So, no, I think, I think it's 

1274
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,000
super interesting, super 
fascinating stuff. 

1275
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,400
So keep posting those studies 
that you are Thank you. 

1276
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,400
And if anybody has any things 
that they want me to research, 

1277
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,100
I'm always looking for when I 
have my down time, that's what I

1278
01:11:09,108 --> 01:11:11,100
do. 
I just, I go into topics. 

1279
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:14,400
I go deep into the weeds with 
with biochemistry. 

1280
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,500
So if there's anything people 
want to know, give me things to 

1281
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:20,700
look into. 
So, I love, I love having a 

1282
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:22,900
reason to look into something 
awesome. 

1283
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:24,500
Well, I'll have a, I'll have a 
list go in then. 

1284
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,600
Thanks for having me. 
You bet, Nikki take care, have a

1285
01:11:28,608 --> 01:11:31,200
good one and I talk soon. 
Talk soon. 

1286
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:31,700
Bye-bye.