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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes, keto Savage.com. 

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Today I would get special guest.
Stephen Thomas on the line, 

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Stephen is a carnivore coach. 
He's been at it for quite some 

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time, he's also a trained 
phlebotomist so we dive deep 

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into blood work and various land
panels and what those could 

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possibly mean for your health. 
But also talk about symptoms and

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just honestly how to dial in a 
species appropriate diet to make

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the most of it. 
We dive deep into some of the 

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science on this. 
So grab a pen, grab some paper, 

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take some notes and see what you
can learn. 

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I took a lot from it. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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as well. 
So that further Ado, sit back 

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relax and do a podcast with 
Steven Thomas. 

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We are live. 
Steven, how are you sir? 

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I'm very well and really excited
to do this. 

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Robert. 
Yeah, I'm excited to chat with 

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you so we can as we were 
discussing before hit record a, 

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you know, very little about me. 
I know very little about you. 

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One of my clients, I forget 
which one it was reached out to 

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me and they said that they'd 
gotten some blood work done by 

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you and kind of had you analyze,
their blood work. 

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So I just proved online found 
your profile, like will shoot, 

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this guy knows what he's talking
about. 

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He's been the carnivore space 
for quite some time. 

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I was going to bring him on the 
podcast and that is where we 

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Inner self today. 
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And and I will reciprocate this 
because you approach me. 

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And I'd already heard of you 
from clients that were singing 

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your Praises. 
So, I just said, yes, without 

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even checking you out. 
So I trust my clients. 

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Well, I'm certainly glad to 
hear. 

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They've been saying good things.
So yeah, give me some backstory,

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man. 
Like, how long have you been 

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doing carnivore? 
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Okay. 
Well, if I can give you a bit 

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more back story, after I've told
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years. 
So when I turned 55, I decided 

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to go Carnival because I was 
doing keto before that, I know 

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your name is Kita Savage. 
And I did that for a good couple

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years and low-carb from my 50th 
birthday, because everything was

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going south before, that one of 
the things that have been 

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pointed out, to me on numerous 
occasions is most People come to

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low, carb, keto, and Carnival, 
they've been eating rubbish and 

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they've been doing all the wrong
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And their health has 
deteriorated, whereas I was not 

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that story, I'm completely 
different story because I did 

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everything. 
Allegedly correct, I followed 

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all the guidelines. 
I didn't have any fat. 

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I was a non-smoking 
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player. 
When I started, I did a 

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bodybuilding tournament. 
I've won a singles, tennis 

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tournament. 
Which is not bragging. 

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By the way, is trying to give 
people a little bit of context 

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here and in my 40s. 
Sadly this is not video. 

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I've got a lot of medals for 
running for Middle distance 

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running. 
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should have been really fit. 
I should have been able to see 

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my apps. 
I shouldn't be pre-diabetic, I 

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shouldn't be getting Tapia. 
I shouldn't have lower left, 

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quadrant pain, I shouldn't need 
colonoscopies, I shouldn't have 

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a coronary artery calcium scan 
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So I knew because I wasn't doing
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Is that the mainstream cause 
deleterious to your health. 

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There must be something that's 
not quite right? 

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So in at that time, what was 
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What when I was high carb, was 
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Like the start, it was, it was 
the classic skim, milk oatmeal 

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in the morning fruit and freshly
squeezed orange juice and lean 

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protein. 
If I did have any meat, it would

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be, you know, very lean, chicken
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Very unoriginal, rice rice 
cakes, all that, sort of things,

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protein, shakes, all the, all 
the things that we allegedly 

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should, And sorry. 
If I'm upsetting you because I 

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know you got the key to thing, 
but, you know, it was, it was 

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healthy ish food in, you know, 
allegedly. 

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But it wasn't for me. 
I certainly didn't work for me 

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and in my faulty as I took my 
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Bit further. 
I trained an Olympic Athlete was

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really seriously into it, and I 
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tea and diabetes as I 
specialism, which I now have 

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that and had that front. 
I'm the specialist practitioner 

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status here in the UK. 
Okay, and it was doing the 

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diabetes course that I started 
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actually put a little bracket in
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section where I'll say it wasn't
the course that taught me 

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carbohydrates are problematic. 
It was the content of the course

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that made a light bulb go off in
my head because they constantly,

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you know, we had to learn about 
all the medications and the, you

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know, contraindications and what
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If someone has a problem with 
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and everything was about car, 
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And I just kept putting my hand 
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don't we just cut the 
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Is they seem to be problematic, 
you seem to medicate in relation

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to carbohydrates all the time. 
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the course was about. 
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to talk to an allopathic doctor 
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the medications which is ever 
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game. 
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that. 
But I realized for me, I became 

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pre-diabetic. 
And as you did mention, the 

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Bloods also qualified. 
It's a The bottom is so the NHS 

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I could have gone into the NHS 
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I went down the private blood 
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would be sent off to a lab have 
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how I learn. 
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a surprise because I'd joined 
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And realize that what I was 
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according to the mainstream 
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actually was not the right 
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So I did the local. 
Sorry, it's a long answer to the

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guys out there listening but you
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interesting Journey for me 
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It was really surprised at how 
quick the tub Enos around, my 

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waist went a lot of water weight
left me and I know that's pretty

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obvious for most people to 
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but other things just cleared 
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I didn't Little Nicky things. 
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since my 20s and I tried all the
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this and doing that. 
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shower, every sort of old wives 
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and as soon as I went low carb 
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I had a rash on my face, that 
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stress. 
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stressed now, because because of
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rash doesn't come up, the lower 
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I mean I've not been to the 
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remember. 
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at all. 
No medications, nothing, no 

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painkillers. 
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And the more I have reduced the 
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The fitter I've felt training is
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And remember, I've done a 
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twenties age 57. 
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that I'd ever gained and that 
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thing that ties into the blood, 
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The other thing, it ties into 
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stunning To this day was my 
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I started carnivore within three
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no artificial, no juicy nothing.
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So so yeah. 
Short answer is three and a half

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back. 
It's delicious. 

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Its nutritious. 
It's a really interesting way, I

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more variety now than I've ever.
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Because when I was doing the 
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literally porridge, we call it 
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Every single morning, skim milk 
honey, you know, fruit freshly 

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squeezed? 
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thought I was doing the right 
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shakes everything, before I 
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All, absolutely feel for all. 
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low carb, you started noticing, 
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benefits right off the ban and 
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the carbs lower and lower and 
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weren't really pursuing a state 
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the carbs down pretty low. 
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then that progressed to Quito 
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carnivore. 
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journey. 
A lot of people do and strangely

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enough in a parallel parallel 
universe watching dr. 

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Ken Berry all of his changes and
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I've only realized now in 
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him and laughing at one of his 
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continually saying, Eat Your 
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Eat Your Greens and I was at the
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think that's right. 
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eat my greens and then he 
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So when I was Ingram with it. 
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ketosis. 
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Isn't I understand why? 
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ketosis but you don't have to be
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have to have low insulin, which 
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you're in a low insulin state, 
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in some major developments in. 
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should say. 
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me. 
I did do it for things on my 

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YouTube channel. 
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I did some experiments did some 
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and butter gang last year where 
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ketones. 
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much nailed that you don't have 
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because I wasn't in ketosis. 
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over the three months where I 
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I'm not you know I wasn't I'd be
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then took it off just to prove 
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ketosis and you don't have to 
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what you are eating, you should 
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body composition that you want 
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happened. 
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I feel like people definitely 
get hung up on what their Ketone

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readings are on a meter and I 
It's a carnivore like a subset 

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of Quito. 
That's I mean, there's kind of 

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some new ones there because if 
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and technically you're not in 
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Carnivore, you're obviously 
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and ketones and not carbs and 
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an extent, but I feel like if 
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you are certainly fat adapted. 
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yeah, it's a subset of the 
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many different forms of the 
ketogenic diet in the end. 

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It's to me, it's actually even 
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it's just about keeping your 
insulin low. 

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Yeah, one of my medical 
textbooks, which I always 

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celebrate people who want to re 
decent physiology is the 

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guyton's medical physiology 
textbook and I actually use that

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with PT clients for personal 
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in and say, I want to exercise 
to lose weight and I say Warhol,

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let's talk about nutrition 
first, and they don't want to, I

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say to them. 
Look my livelihood. 

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Is you working out and I might 
now show you a book that talks 

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you out of working out. 
Okay. 

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So I'm thinking of you, not me, 
not my pocket, not my bank 

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account and I show them a couple
of pages from there which talks 

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about how low levels of insulin 
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the flip of that obviously. 
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insulin that metabolism is 
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want to lose weight, that's the 
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is you nutrition? 
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know, abs are made in the 
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Absolutely true. 
I never take anybody on to 

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exercise who wants to do weight 
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loss. 
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nutrition. 
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on them, but I do definitely say
to them. 

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You do need to think about your 
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your longevity. 
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composition because I'm not 
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slightly better. 
But going out and eating all the

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wrong Foods because it's not 
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if it's not a doesn't become a 
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of what I tried to get into is 
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habits. 
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willpower or or getting yourself
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It's because you like doing it. 
You like you like, eating this 

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way? 
So you do it, you're like 

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training this way so you do it. 
You don't feel like it's forced 

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and he gets just a it's nice to 
see the penny drop and people do

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listen, I don't really get much 
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nutrition doesn't mean everyone 
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certainly go low carb and then 
it's that rabbit hole that 

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possibly with with your 
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I'm assuming a lot of your 
listeners know. 

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This Rabbit Hole, you start to 
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well, let's just try. 
A bit of Kita. 

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Let's try that. 
See what happens and then you 

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realize that there's certain 
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you up and take them out. 
So yeah, it's been great. 

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There's definitely like you 
having competed in bodybuilding 

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yourself on the past and me as 
well. 

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Like there's it's obvious that 
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composition physically with a 
variety of dance, like a lot of 

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these competitors that are, you 
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stage. 
Look, Amazing. 

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But as you can attest, they feel
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They have no energy, their 
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markers are, you know, 
catastrophic like they're not 

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the picture of Health by any 
means. 

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So I think being able to achieve
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that you want. 
But doing so through a well 

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formulated diet that is 
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the boxes from a health 
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So it certainly be the priority 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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And I would say the light is 
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was in the ketogenic parts of my
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But when I look at the 
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feel I look particularly 
healthy. 

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That's also when I was running 
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and doing middle distance, and 
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things. 
But I look at my face and I 

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think, wow, people are right, I 
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healthy. 
I mean, I'm looking at your face

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on this recording here. 
You know, I don't know how old 

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you up, but you look very 
healthy. 

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I feel like 58. 
You know, if people want to 

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check me out my YouTube channel,
I feel, I don't look 58. 

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Yeah, I don't feel 58. 
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aesthetically look is secondary.
I understand why people want it.

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I want it to you. 
Don't do a bodybuilding show. 

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If you're not interested in 
trying to get your physique to 

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look pretty awesome. 
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Have if I could go back in time 
now in and do a back to the 

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future. 
So I think I would be screaming 

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at my 20 year, old self change. 
How you eat because actually, 

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everything's going to be better 
for you in your future. 

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Yes, you look great. 
And I know it's hard for you to 

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believe me but it will catch up 
on you and I'm going to just 

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change how you eat. 
But I can remember, actually, 

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flicking through a magazine. 
You might have heard of it 

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muscle and fitness. 
I don't know if it's still 

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around and flicking through and 
seeing Sonny Liston or a couple 

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of the body builders of Era. 
I am showing my age now. 

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Shawn Ray they were talking 
about high-fat diets and I can 

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remember dismissing it as a 
possibility. 

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Completely without even reading 
the article thinking that I can 

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remember just sort of well 
that's not going to work. 

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Yeah, so it was obviously around
at some point through my 20s and

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I think that was when acting 
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just totally just went over my 
forehead. 

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You know, I didn't notice it and
didn't really take it into 

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consideration as a Way of 
eating. 

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Well, let's have an insulin for 
a because I like your definition

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being you're keeping that the 
primary goal to be keeping 

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insulin low. 
And it's funny because like in 

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the bodybuilding space that 
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are certain Pro bodybuilders 
that will use exotic has insulin

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as a growth factor to try and, 
you know, put on more lean 

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tissue because it is a growth 
agent for sure. 

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Yes. 
But it can be very dangerous. 

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Like many of them have died 
trying to increase their insulin

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to Super physiological. 
In a very unhealthy manner when 

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it comes to instant, like a 
body, obviously excretes insulin

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to shut up glucose into the cell
and it's a normal physiological 

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response and some people in the 
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You know flexible dieters things
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insulin is totally fine, there 
should be no reason to try and 

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keep it down regulated as long 
as it's within a healthy range. 

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Do you feel like there is 
benefit for healthy individuals 

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to still strive to keep that? 
Do you know shuttle down as much

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as possible? 
Well, I think it's more about 

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the appropriate level of 
insulin. 

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So you, if you let your body 
regulate everything and you 

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don't put things into your body,
that requires a disproportionate

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and rapid response, you should 
be okay. 

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So if you I agree, obviously 
insulin is a growth hormone, but

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it's not something that you want
to be taking. 

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If you don't know, if you look 
at first, let's go to the real 

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basic. 
So in 1922 before insulin was 

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discovered Those that had type 
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calories, and that's another 
thing we can talk about. 

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If you like, let's talk about 
the amount of food, whatever 

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amount of food, those type 1 
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away, and then we discovered 
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Because then we realized that 
there was insulin that were 

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shuttling, like you say, there's
the energy into the cells and 

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stopping people wasting away. 
So then you go into the like, 

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the 50s and the 60s, and there's
the big increase in Sugar 

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refined. 
Traits, you know and and then 

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the 80's 90's when we get into 
other stuff. 

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What's happening is the biphasic
response to the pancreas is just

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not evolving as quickly as the 
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So when people are things that 
are food-like substances or 

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Coca-Cola which is 99 teaspoons 
of sugar which is 9 times as 

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much sugar as you need in your 
bloodstream at any one time you 

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need about a teaspoon in five 
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What's going to happen is the 
insulin production Going to be 

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ramped up, its going to be a bit
disproportionate because that's 

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a toxic level calling to the 
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And therefore, you get the spike
of insulin, which will bring 

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down the blood sugar and then 
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infamous of had breakfast. 
I had my sort of sugary fruit 

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juice or whatever you had. 
I had my oatmeal by 11:00 in the

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morning. 
I'm starving. 

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And I need to eat again because 
what's happened is the 

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insolence, done? 
Its job a bit to efficiently and

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therefore You have that low 
blood sugar feeling? 

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Yeah so it's more a is more 
about sort of a modulated 

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reasonable amount of insulin to 
keep your blood sugar at that, 

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that level of about a teaspoon 
in five and a half liters of 

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blood. 
So so that's that. 

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So, to try and answer your 
question, if you then decide to 

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use the, you know, the anabolic 
side of it by adjusting 

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injecting insulin. 
If you're a bodybuilder, you are

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Safely training, pushing your 
body. 

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Having a lot of protein. 
Most bodybuilders do eat a 

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pretty good diet but you're 
still biohacking in the wrong 

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way. 
You're looking at the wrong 

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thing, you should be looking at 
your own body's regulation of 

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instinct rather than 
artificially raising it and I 

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know people get good results 
aesthetically but like you say 

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some people die because it's it 
is not a thing that you should 

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be playing with and there's 
there is more to blood sugar 

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regulation than insulin. 
This is the other thing when 

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people to about Diabetes don't 
talk about it in enough depth. 

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If you in introduce blood 
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you won't get the same insulin 
response. 

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He certainly won't get such a 
big insulin response as if you 

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eat something that has contains 
the same amount of glucose 

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because in Cretin hormones, 
which are sort of on the brush 

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will order of the small 
intestine which talk to the 

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pancreas. 
They really help to regulate the

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amount of insulin you need. 
So your your that I mean, that's

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been proven, that's not 
controversial. 

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Tool. 
That's in clinical studies. 

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We know that the brush border 
and increase in creating 

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hormones, make a huge difference
to the regulation of blood sugar

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because it's a little bit 
nuanced, fits very difficult for

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the big influences to talk about
it. 

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I think they think people will 
switch off, but definitely, 

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there's a big difference between
eating and glucose going through

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the digestive system than there 
is through sort of injecting 

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anything. 
So once you start to Inject with

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inside with insulin, what's 
going to happen? 

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There is you're going to get 
this dish report, 

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disproportionate amount of 
energy going into the cells. 

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I mean, I've never never 
answered this question before. 

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So I'm going through in my mind 
now but it is disproportionate 

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to your going to have some 
dysregulation going on because 

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you still get feedback from the 
cells to say, well, you know, 

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we're sorry to be Layman's about
this, but the cells will give 

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you feedback. 
I mean, this is, this is when 

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you get into the exercise 
physiology and you start to look

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at the glute for translocating, 
from the cytoplasm to the to the

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membrane. 
There is a huge amount of 

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signaling and response to what 
you're doing all the time within

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the cell and obviously outside 
of the cell. 

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So, once you start to change the
hormone of signaling 

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artificially to me, that that 
that's just going to be a mess 

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in the future. 
Yeah, I understand it as a bio 

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hacking and I totally get why 
people do it because you know, 

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the one percent difference that 
gets On the podium I understand 

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you know in the state's, no pun 
intended, a high but in the end 

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I'm going to go back to health. 
You see? 

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I still feel that that health is
the bill one end or whether 

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everything if you eat the 
appropriate way and train the 

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appropriate way your body will 
respond. 

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So I was really lucky because 
when I trained and I just a boy 

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from Gravesend who happen to be 
in a gym that was full of really

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very good. 
Oil or semi professional 

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bodybuilders. 
It was just pure luck. 

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It was in a sort of back alley, 
alley place, you know, behind a 

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shop and my training partner who
I didn't know it was a big week 

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went on to be a mister Natural 
England, you know. 

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So I was training with all the 
right people and my training 

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partner was 100% natural, very 
clean when you know, to the 

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point of being pretty boring 
with his diet and he was cut all

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year round, whose massive really
strong Very healthy. 

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And we because we had guys there
that were juicing and and they 

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were bigger, they were bigger, 
but they were injured a lot. 

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They, you know, started to the 
longer. 

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We went to the gym, the more we 
realize that that it wasn't the 

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answer and it's really tempting 
to start to to look at 

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artificial ways of boosting your
performance. 

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Totally get that but you know 
it's never been for me but I 

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certainly you know what? 
I'm Doing some of the Bloods, 

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you know, of bodybuilders come 
in, and they're a bit sheepish, 

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it first and they say it. 
My testosterone readings might 

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be a little bit high. 
And I'm like, yes, okay. 

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I get what you're saying and we 
can make the note of that. 

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It's not a big problem so then 
it goes off to the lab and you 

449
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:21,300
will get doctors comments so 
it's not accepted but it's it's 

450
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:25,000
understood that this does 
happen, we need to factor in so 

451
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,000
sorry Robert has a very long 
answer, I hope actually answered

452
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,700
the question yet. 
It's really interesting. 

453
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,400
So got my mind working. 
But yeah. 

454
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,200
So keeping insulin to an 
appropriate level I think is the

455
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:42,600
is this the key to to everything
but we know high levels of 

456
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,700
insulin will shut off fat 
metabolism. 

457
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:49,200
Now if your lean body builder, 
obviously that's not a big issue

458
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,600
because you haven't got sub 
containers fat that you want to 

459
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,300
burn. 
So shutting it off, doesn't 

460
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,700
matter. 
Does it because you're lean. 

461
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800
So you will get Get all of the 
anabolic effects and not have to

462
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,600
worry about the fat burning, but
I think if you're trying to cut,

463
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,200
you know, the obviously that's 
gonna be a problem. 

464
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,700
Yeah, I would think that, you 
know, appropriate levels of 

465
00:25:12,708 --> 00:25:16,500
insulin secretion if you were to
compare, you know what, the 

466
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,500
average insulin level is now to 
the standard demographic of 

467
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:24,800
people versus what it was 500 
years ago before all of the 

468
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,800
sugar processed foods came to 
the market. 

469
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:28,800
I mean, I would imagine that we 
are taxing. 

470
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,800
In our systems, much more 
extensively. 

471
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,500
Now with just the sheer amount 
of carbohydrates. 

472
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,800
Simple carbohydrates, coming in.
And if you were to rewind the 

473
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,200
clock 500 years, we would never 
really be at that consumption of

474
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,300
carbohydrates. 
I mean, from a physiological 

475
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:44,900
standpoint, I can't imagine that
it makes sense for anybody to 

476
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:48,500
need that many carbohydrates. 
I'm you've got people that are 

477
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,400
not active at all walking around
a consuming 500 + grams of 

478
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200
carbohydrates a day and Knots 
burning those off which is just 

479
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,700
going to wreak havoc Downstream.
Yes, the non-essential. 

480
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:06,400
I mean a lot of the ways of 
talking about carbohydrates is 

481
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,500
that you need carbohydrates to 
body build. 

482
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,400
But that is only true in the 
fact that we make the 

483
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,100
carbohydrate, we need from non 
carbohydrates, substrate. 

484
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:16,800
So the liver will do it 
demand-driven. 

485
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:21,600
You do not need to ingest them, 
but I also would say people that

486
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,500
use a blood glucose monitor for 
instance, and I do do this in a 

487
00:26:27,508 --> 00:26:28,400
couple of videos. 
Leo's. 

488
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,300
Actually I show from the blood 
that we have historical data of 

489
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,900
certain patients where you look 
at their bloods and it's we're 

490
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,800
lucky to have it from Back to 
the 1970s and you look at their 

491
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,000
fasting insulin and you look at 
their blood glucose and what you

492
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:50,100
can establish is that among this
cohort that in the 1970s 80's 

493
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,900
90's their blood glucose was 
average, you know is it was 

494
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,600
within range and they were 
probably thinking this is 

495
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,900
hunky-dory but in the Ground. 
Their fasting insulin was 

496
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,900
shooting up so you could have 
predicted that they were going 

497
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:07,300
to become diabetic. 
If if at the point of every 

498
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:11,900
single time they did a blood 
glucose monitor reading, they 

499
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,800
also did a fasted insulin or an 
insulin reading. 

500
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,500
We could have seen and said to 
those people. 

501
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,900
Yeah, you think you're okay 
because you're looking at your 

502
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,200
blood glucose, but actually, 
when we look at your levels of 

503
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,300
insulin they are just going 
through the roof. 

504
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,500
So at some point and it's in, 
it's shown in the The graph 

505
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,100
quite you know, I'm quite proud 
of the growth of produced 

506
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:34,500
because it's like an animation 
is there's a Tipping Point where

507
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,200
that insulin production just 
can't keep up anymore and it 

508
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,500
starts to drop. 
And it's at that point that the 

509
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,700
blood glucose management goes 
out of the window. 

510
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,200
And that's at the point where 
most people are diagnosed as a 

511
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,200
wall, you've got a diabetic 
problem. 

512
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,400
But actually that was 20 years 
in the making that's not rocket 

513
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,400
science. 
I think that's pretty much. 

514
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,300
Now everybody would accept that 
that's really what's been 

515
00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:00,900
happening. 
And you know I get little 

516
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,300
pushback saying you're 
demonizing carbs and I said, 

517
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,500
well I'm not really I'm just 
talking about what science 

518
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,100
estriol. 
There's no way you take the 

519
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,000
glucose tolerance test for 
instance and I have clients say 

520
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000
no, my doctor said I failed it 
and I said, well, there's no way

521
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600
or in nature. 
You would have had 15 teaspoons 

522
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
of glucose in a drink. 
Yeah, you haven't failed. 

523
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,100
It actually your body has come 
through with shining you know. 

524
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,100
We're flying colors because it's
Same to you. 

525
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,000
This is a toxic drink. 
Don't drink this, please, 

526
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800
because it's too much for my 
pancreas to produce insulin in 

527
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400
relation to. 
So I think everything's very 

528
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,100
messed up at the moment because 
the way we look at glucose 

529
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,900
testing and the way you know 
I've just done a video about the

530
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:50,200
hba1c reading mean flawed for 
carnivores and there's pretty 

531
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,400
good reasons for that and that's
a theory I've been talking about

532
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,600
for a couple of years and it's 
nice to see people like been 

533
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,900
bickman talking about it now. 
I'm not saying He didn't think 

534
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:03,400
of that independently because 
again, it's something that if 

535
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,800
you take a step back and you 
look at what's happening, just 

536
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,500
to give your listeners a bit of 
background to that. 

537
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,300
Because they've not heard of me 
before I read, Because I see a 

538
00:29:12,308 --> 00:29:14,100
lot of blood. 
I was also getting a lot of 

539
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:18,100
carnivores saying my daily blood
glucose readings, they show an 

540
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,600
actual average every single day,
if she's not reflected in my 

541
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,800
hba1c which has gone up 
slightly. 

542
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,300
Why is that? 
I think this is a worry and of 

543
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,300
course it isn't a worry because 
if you Have someone that's 

544
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,300
hemolytic, which is a, which is 
a person whose red blood cells, 

545
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,800
die, too soon. 
You have to ignore their hba1c 

546
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,300
because it's artificially low. 
So my thinking was, if your red 

547
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,800
blood cells live longer than the
average person, then you're 

548
00:29:42,808 --> 00:29:46,500
going to have an artificially 
high hba1c, that makes sense to 

549
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,800
me. 
I mean, that's what happened. 

550
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,600
So yeah, so I was saying, you 
know, and I've said this 

551
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,700
publicly quite a bit if your 
daily blood glucose, which is 

552
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,300
your actual blood, Comes from 
your blood that you are 

553
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:04,600
measuring every day and you get 
a, an average or your 

554
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,300
continuous. 
Glucose monitor gives you an 

555
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,000
average that's better than a 
calculated. 

556
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Assumption of your hba1c, which 
is, which is just an idea in the

557
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,700
standard American diet or the 
standard, Western diet is a good

558
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,400
proxy it because probably the 
red blood cells are dying after 

559
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,100
whatever period. 
The lab is using this a 

560
00:30:26,108 --> 00:30:30,900
calculation normally 90 days. 
Sometimes, it's And 20 and even 

561
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:34,600
that shows as a variation in the
calculation. 

562
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,100
So I'm assuming that red blood 
cells are lasting longer in 

563
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,100
people that eat other species, 
appropriate diet. 

564
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:45,200
And that seems to be borne out 
by all the rubber readings, 

565
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200
because they're fasting. 
Insulin is good, the faster 

566
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,900
glucose is good, their daily 
blood. 

567
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:53,400
Glucose is good and yet their 
hba1c says it isn't, but it 

568
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,600
makes no sense. 
So so you have to find a reason.

569
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Why is that happening and that 
and that Was a big thing. 

570
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
I've been talking about for a 
couple years now and like I 

571
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,300
said, I think as a bit more 
accepted because I'm big person 

572
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,900
when it comes to symptoms. 
I don't really believe that the 

573
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:15,000
numbers should be the trump card
over symptoms. 

574
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,700
You know, another big one in, 
the carnival spaces, they tend 

575
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,300
to have lower folate, but if 
you're not anemic in, not got 

576
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:25,600
bleeding gums. 
And you've not got issues that 

577
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,500
are associated with low folate. 
Is that a problem? 

578
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,600
You know, and it tends not to be
right. 

579
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:39,200
So I think the blood in general,
those ranges are normative 

580
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,100
ranges, they're not optimal 
ranges. 

581
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,700
So I think that's another way of
thinking about things as well. 

582
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,400
Is it are you out of range? 
Yeah. 

583
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,800
What does that actually mean? 
Does that mean that there's 

584
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,100
something wrong or does it mean 
that you're operating on a 

585
00:31:53,108 --> 00:31:57,400
different parameter to the rest 
of the people that have given 

586
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,600
blood? 
Because 80 Send people that give

587
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,300
blood and their bloods end up in
these normative ranges are not. 

588
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:08,100
Well, you know, so we're looking
at these ranges from a cohort of

589
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,500
people that aren't particularly 
well. 

590
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:13,200
So should we be using those 
ranges? 

591
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,500
I mean, they are just a 
yardstick and I certainly think 

592
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,200
that you know, if you start 
having a subset of people that 

593
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400
are eating a particular way and 
their numbers are slightly 

594
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600
different, and all of them are 
doing well and healthy and 

595
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,300
strong and their blood pressures
coming down and their blood 

596
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,400
glucose is being Managed and 
pains are go in there. 

597
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,000
Arthritis is progressing. 
They're off their diabetic 

598
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,300
medications. 
Well, you've got to, you've got 

599
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,700
to look at those things rather 
than the numbers because these 

600
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:45,600
people have been the example of 
fitness and health and and 

601
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,800
reversing all these conditions. 
And yet you can have some blood.

602
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Say, this doesn't look so good. 
So I also get into that again, 

603
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,000
to the like the context of why 
certain things happen and why 

604
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,200
they're different. 
Carnival obviously things like 

605
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,600
the blood urea nitrogen because 
you, you're eating more protein,

606
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,300
you will therefore, get more 
nitrogen. 

607
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,400
You'll get more urea because of 
that. 

608
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,900
And that's pretty much accepted.
Again, if you go online, you 

609
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,300
won't see many influences 
talking about it won't see many 

610
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,600
doctors actually talking about 
it, but on the nursing websites 

611
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,600
because they're at the front 
end, they would always mention 

612
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,000
high, protein intake will put 
your blood urea nitrogen up a 

613
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
bit. 
They don't worry about it. 

614
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,100
They accept that. 
That's, that's one of those 

615
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:34,500
things that happens. 
I mean, obviously, you then look

616
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:36,600
at all the other kidney 
function, tests and liver tests 

617
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
and things just to make sure 
there isn't anything, but most 

618
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,900
of it is explainable with this 
as light anomaly in. 

619
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Most people call it the bun but 
it is the blood urea nitrogen 

620
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,100
reading, you know, so the 
brighter fascinating I find, you

621
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,800
know, the doctors comments are 
always really interesting but 

622
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,000
people don't just want those 
comments. 

623
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,900
They want, but what does that 
actually mean? 

624
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,800
What is it? 
Hba1c, what does what is it that

625
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,500
you've has actually been tested?
So then you can say, what it's 

626
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,800
actually the hemoglobin is 
glycated by glucose and it 

627
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,900
sticks in your bloodstream for 
three months and it gives you a 

628
00:34:10,908 --> 00:34:14,600
rough idea of just how much 
collocations going on and 

629
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,100
they're quite happy with that to
have explained in some of that 

630
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,100
layman's terms along with you, 
like the doctor's comment. 

631
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,800
So how much goes how much are 
you typically see in those 

632
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,400
Baseline numbers increase by in 
your Contour page? 

633
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,699
Patience is at like by three or 
four basis points. 

634
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Well, Robert that's a really 
good question and I'd see so 

635
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,500
many different readings. 
I mean, the biggest thing at the

636
00:34:40,507 --> 00:34:44,199
moment is reversible things like
thyroid conditions, where we see

637
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:50,400
T P0 + TG antibodies, just 
absolutely plummeting and, and 

638
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600
it's only possible really with 
people that are that have had 

639
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,500
Bloods before. 
They've been carnivore for it to

640
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,800
be meaningful. 
So you got that full data set 

641
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,500
and you can actually see Trends.
But you know, All readings like 

642
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,000
blood pressure for instance, 
that pretty much always goes 

643
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,600
down. 
Yeah, it's too big a question 

644
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,300
because there's so many 
different things that people are

645
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,300
interested in living rooms signs
across the across the board. 

646
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,500
I would say, you know, if I have
someone that's had three sets of

647
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:23,700
Bloods done. 
I'm really struggling to think 

648
00:35:23,707 --> 00:35:31,300
of anyone that is sing - things 
I think with the that's but 

649
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:36,500
there is a Hot Topic where some 
people with the TPO antibodies 

650
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,900
problem with their thyroid, if 
they supplement with iodine and 

651
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,500
I'm not saying people should 
stop, they just need to be aware

652
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:48,000
that sometimes the antibody 
start to go back up again, which

653
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,400
is something I'm trying to 
research to get to the bottom of

654
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,500
why that happens. 
There might be some very simple.

655
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,000
Simplistic mechanism, why that's
happening? 

656
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,400
And I'm not saying that that's a
problem either. 

657
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,600
It might just be a sort of side 
effect of taking the iodine and 

658
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,900
the, the greater production of 
thyroid hormone just may 

659
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,900
temporarily flip up the 
antibodies but yeah, I think I 

660
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:14,600
think Bloods are fascinating but
I know you wanted know about 

661
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,000
them but I still go back to sort
of symptoms and how good a 

662
00:36:19,008 --> 00:36:20,900
person feels more than the 
numbers. 

663
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:22,400
They are interesting and they 
are good. 

664
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,600
Good indicators and empirical 
data is is fantastic to have, 

665
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:30,200
but in the end if someone comes 
in with a photograph of their 

666
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,800
skin, you know, six months ago 
falling off which are you know, 

667
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,500
which is you know, psoriasis or 
something like that and they got

668
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,800
beautiful glowing skin in their 
blood pressures down. 

669
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,300
They got energy and they want to
train and they can move. 

670
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,900
And I'm going pains, you know, 
their numbers are secondary to 

671
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,200
me because I think. 
Wow, this is good. 

672
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,100
I mean, obviously you want to 
look at what could possibly go. 

673
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100
Wrong. 
Long-term. 

674
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,000
But even the long-term 
carnivores, I've got one, you 

675
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,700
know, 22 years and got some in 
there, so a decade and a bit and

676
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:04,000
you know, there's no sign of any
issues coming up quite the 

677
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,600
reverse. 
I just think some of the 

678
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,500
longer-term ones seem to just 
get better and better. 

679
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,900
I know from my own personal 
experience it's easier and 

680
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,500
easier to eat this way and I 
feel better and better and more 

681
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:18,500
energized and I'm getting older.
So allegedly I should bring in a

682
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,600
with my pipe and slippers and 
sitting by the fire and not 

683
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,700
doing much better. 59, I just 
feel Unstoppable. 

684
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Yeah, that's good. 
That's what you want. 

685
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400
You alluded to this earlier with
regard to the oral glucose, 

686
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,300
tolerance test. 
But I'm assuming one of the 

687
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,200
Kickbacks that I see, you know, 
out there quite a bit for 

688
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,900
long-term, keto diet or a 
carnivore diet. 

689
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,000
Is that you develop insulin 
resistance and their course, 

690
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,200
talking about physiological and 
some resistance not pathological

691
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,500
and some resistance or I've 
heard it. 

692
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,400
Termed adaptive glucose pairing.
Is that of any concern in your 

693
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,700
mind or no, Not really, again, 
it's because it's driven by the 

694
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,200
fact that people say you should 
be able to tolerate a lot of 

695
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,800
glucose. 
If you're going to eat an 

696
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,400
appropriate diet, you know, why 
should we tolerate something 

697
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,500
that's bad for us? 
If you wouldn't say to an 

698
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,400
alcoholic, do you know what? 
There is still a problem here. 

699
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,500
Because if we give you a glass 
of whiskey, every Saturday 

700
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:15,900
starts to cause problems, you 
should be able to cope with that

701
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,600
now. 
So, it's just ridiculous, just 

702
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,300
ridiculous thinking, I 
understand it. 

703
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,800
And it's difficult to see a 
mechanism where that would be 

704
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,900
problematic. 
I agree with because you are. 

705
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,300
Yeah, I did. 
I just, yeah, I don't, I don't 

706
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:36,600
get the ration out, but you can 
also have fun with it. 

707
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,200
I had a client that was really 
worried and she said didn't 

708
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,300
know, my pancreas is not going 
to produce insulin ever is that?

709
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,800
I mean, you know, I'm, I've read
about this and I've seen some 

710
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,200
influences talking about it. 
I said, well, if you want to go 

711
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,000
and eat a chocolate brownie and 
going to me, Block because you 

712
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,700
tell me what happens and we had 
a little bit because she said, I

713
00:38:57,707 --> 00:39:00,900
will go through the roof sit, 
now it will go through the floor

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,900
because your pancreas will 
produce a lot of insulin, which 

715
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,700
you wouldn't believe. 
Yeah, because it is now so 

716
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,200
efficient and that's exactly 
what happened. 

717
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,000
So, she had a brownie, chocolate
brownie. 

718
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:18,400
And normally her blood blood 
glucose was around 98 sometimes 

719
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,300
or 90 and went into the low 80s.
So, I can't believe that. 

720
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,500
I really thought it's going to 
go like 120 130. 

721
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:29,100
It said, no, your your pancreas 
their produce, the insulin 

722
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:31,900
possibly more than you would 
have. 

723
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,600
Thought because it's had a bit 
of a rest, you know, I know 

724
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,300
that's very Layman's, and I 
don't want people out there 

725
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,000
listening think, right? 
I'm going to go and experiment 

726
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,100
with all these things, but if 
you just think about it 

727
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:47,500
sensibly, your body should not 
be trained to accept things that

728
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:51,100
are poisonous to it or toxic or 
going to be problematic. 

729
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:55,600
I want When you look at your 
factory nerves and you know your

730
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,700
sense of smell and taste to 
things that are sour or 

731
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:04,000
potentially off good as they 
smell bad. 

732
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:09,200
Would you want them to not be as
good to be dulled down? 

733
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,900
So you could pick something up 
and not know that. 

734
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,200
That shouldn't be eaten. 
No, you did. 

735
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,100
That's ridiculous. 
You want your body to be able to

736
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,400
say? 
Well, we can't cope with that. 

737
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,800
We want that. 
So you don't do it again. 

738
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,900
I mean, that's how you learn in 
nature. 

739
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Nobody tells the animals out 
there or here's your guidebook 

740
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,400
to what you can eat and what you
can't eat. 

741
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,600
You know, they they learn they 
know what they can and can't eat

742
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,900
by smelling and obviously I I'm 
assuming there's some sort of 

743
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,700
genetic passed down of knowledge
as well. 

744
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:44,700
I don't know about that but Why 
do why do we need to be able to 

745
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,800
eat too much carbohydrate? 
What was the point of that? 

746
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
There is no point? 
Yeah, totally wholeheartedly 

747
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,300
agree. 
I feel like I would be remiss if

748
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,200
we did not touch on cholesterol 
as it pertains to blood work and

749
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,400
a lot of people start the day 
and then they just go to this 

750
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,400
cholesterol Rabbit Hole. 
They'll oftentimes see it slight

751
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,100
elevation and the beginning if 
they're doing a higher fat 

752
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,800
version as well. 
What's your what's your take on 

753
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,300
cholesterol? 
Slightly higher, what typically 

754
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,400
I mean I'll it's interesting. 
Like when I started key do with 

755
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,100
a higher fat approach, all of my
cholesterol markers, you know, 

756
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:21,000
quote unquote improved, as by 
the book recommendation 

757
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,100
Improvement. 
Some people will see an 

758
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,000
elevation and LDL and total 
cholesterol. 

759
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Some people will see a decline 
in LDL total cholesterol. 

760
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,800
What do you notice in that? 
Because you do with blood work 

761
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,900
much, much, more than I do. 
What do you seen as common 

762
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,100
Trends? 
Right. 

763
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,700
That's a great question, 
actually. 

764
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,400
We'll all of them been good. 
If you look at the nhanes data, 

765
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,500
think from 1999 to 2014 when 
you, they looked at 19 

766
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,500
individual studies, They 
concluded that higher LDL seems 

767
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,900
to be associated with longevity 
and that is repeatable, time and

768
00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:00,800
time again. 
So there's a lovely graph but is

769
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,200
produced in that study where it 
shows that if you have lower 

770
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,100
cholesterol lower LDL 
cholesterol. 

771
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:11,800
At some point, slurring it under
And 20 your risk of dying 

772
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,000
because it was using hard 
endpoints, went up almost twice 

773
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,100
as much. 
So from about 120 up to about 

774
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:26,500
280 audio, your chances of dying
were much much reduced to the 

775
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:30,700
point where the, the confidence 
figures. 

776
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,800
Even implied that there's a 
slight protective element to the

777
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,600
high LDL. 
And I think it's the wrong 

778
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:43,500
metric to look at anyway because
a much more convincing 

779
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,800
combination is high HDL and 
lowered triglycerides that seems

780
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,800
to be more important. 
When you look at studies like 

781
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,000
that, I'm still going to go back
to, you know, the health of 

782
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,500
people and their vitality and 
how they present is still the 

783
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,200
top. 
But they always want to talk 

784
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,500
about cholesterol because that's
you know, it's a lipid panel 

785
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,200
that many people get and then 
you obviously get into 

786
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:09,700
lipoprotein. 
A and B, you know, a Napo 

787
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,400
lipoproteins. 
I mean a poe just means attached

788
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,300
to, you know, it's if you keep 
you start with the premise that 

789
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,400
is wrong. 
If you start with the premise 

790
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,300
that high LDL is deleterious to 
your health, then anything 

791
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:30,300
that's attached to a audio is 
going to come up as a risk, 

792
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,400
right? 
So that's why that happens. 

793
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,900
I'm not saying it is. 
Pletely. 

794
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,300
The best advice to ignore 
everything. 

795
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:45,600
Obviously, getting to particle 
size, you look at oxidation and 

796
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,300
glycation of LDL, and, and that 
being problematic in the 

797
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:51,300
formation of foam cells and all 
that sort of stuff. 

798
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,300
You can get into it. 
But even when you look at your 

799
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200
with your pattern, a or pattern 
B, there's still some really 

800
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,700
predictive things you can do and
strangely enough, if you can't 

801
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:08,000
afford to have that test, you 
can pretty much extrapolate from

802
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
GL and triglycerides. 
So they seem to be really good 

803
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,600
marker or of mortality risk. 
But also you could if you want 

804
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,800
to get into the particle size 
and if you want to get into 

805
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,800
oxidation, glycation of LDL and 
what's happening there, you can 

806
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,300
pretty much see whether your 
pattern, a or pattern B, 

807
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,900
depending on your triglycerides 
HDL. 

808
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:37,100
So it's a handy thing, but in 
the end What you going to do 

809
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,100
about it? 
I mean if you if you are getting

810
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:43,000
better, if all of your other 
health markers are improving. 

811
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,400
And the only one that's going 
up. 

812
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,300
Is it LDL you have to think? 
We'll hang on a minute. 

813
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:52,300
This is the way everyone's 
thinking about it wrong and 

814
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,300
that's what that study shows. 
Yeah, they are because it seems 

815
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,600
that higher audio is not 
problematic. 

816
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,000
It's just, it's been implicated 
when it should have been sugar. 

817
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
That was implicated, then you 
get into sort of what happened 

818
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,700
with the sugar industry and how 
they implicated saturated fat 

819
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:11,700
rather than sugar being the big 
problem. 

820
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:13,600
But I don't wanna get into also 
the politics. 

821
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:16,300
And stuff like that, but I just 
give people the information, 

822
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:18,200
they can go and research it if 
they want. 

823
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:24,300
But I do always send them. 
The studies for LDL on, explain 

824
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:26,800
them. 
If if we do in a zoom call I do 

825
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,000
a screen share and say you might
want to print this off. 

826
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,100
Have a look at the study, print 
it off, take it to your doctor 

827
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:38,500
and you know present this 
information and see what 

828
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:40,900
happens. 
Is there a tipping point at 

829
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:44,600
which, you know elevated. 
Elevated LDL So high that it 

830
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,100
starts to become a longing for 
you. 

831
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:51,300
Like some people is, you know, 
north of 500 like, is that a red

832
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:53,100
flag at all? 
Or is it just all relative? 

833
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,700
Well, I think when you get into 
extremes of anything, you've got

834
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:00,200
to, why is that happening? 
You've got to ask why that's 

835
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,600
happening the nhanes data. 
I think the graph only goes up 

836
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,700
to 350 and it seemed unlikely 
from the way the line was 

837
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:14,200
curving, which was very minutely
that if you went up to 500 is 

838
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,300
still would not be as 
problematic as as lower than 100

839
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,600
but I didn't I don't got those 
figures so I don't know. 

840
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,500
I would always say that. 
I mean if some there is always 

841
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:31,600
people that are going to have a 
different issue when the numbers

842
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,000
are way off, but it is it is 
about context because if you 

843
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:43,000
have someone with a high 
sensitive CRP and the range and 

844
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,900
I'm going to, I'm just Just 
going to give you a rough idea, 

845
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:46,700
because different labs in 
different countries, have 

846
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:50,700
different ranges but they want 
that CRP to be sort of 0.5 or 

847
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,100
less. 
So if it's too, that's a 

848
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:57,700
problem. 
Well, I've seen a CRP of 80 So, 

849
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,900
2 is not a problem, right? 
But it is to that person because

850
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:03,100
they think, well, it's got to be
0.5. 

851
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:08,000
And 2 is is, you know, threefold
is quite a big difference. 

852
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,300
But then when you say yeah, but 
I've had a client 80 and they 

853
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:14,900
did the kind of a diet and it 
came down to 30, and they were 

854
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,600
really happy. 
It's all about that context of 

855
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,200
all, you know, what's actually, 
what do these mean, you know, 

856
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,700
and it's the same with, you 
know, when you look up blood 

857
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:27,700
sugar's, when you look at 100 
and 110 You think well that's 

858
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,200
you know that's 10% increase, 
that's pretty bad. 

859
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,400
But if you look at volume so 
you're going from a teaspoon of 

860
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,300
sugar in five and a half liters 
of blood to a teaspoon and a 

861
00:47:38,308 --> 00:47:41,900
quarter in five and a half 
liters of blood doesn't seem 

862
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:45,700
such a big problem. 
So I think that's we need to get

863
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:48,000
more into sort of, what's the 
context of this? 

864
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,100
What's a frame of reference and 
really get into sort of tangible

865
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,300
tangible? 
Things like the presentation of 

866
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:58,700
symptoms, how A feeling, you 
know, are they dizzy to have 

867
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:00,900
chest? 
Pains is, there is a problems 

868
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,400
with their toilet habits are 
their gums bleeding. 

869
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,000
What do their eyes look like 
other yellow? 

870
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,500
The, you know, it's there's so 
many things are much more 

871
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,700
important than the numbers. 
The numbers are there to then be

872
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,500
forensic and get down into 
what's going on. 

873
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:21,000
So you know the liver you can 
have elevated, ALT because 

874
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,500
you've trained because it's you 
know, there's a breakdown 

875
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:27,900
processes going on in the liver.
So is That is that meaningful, 

876
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,500
is that good to know what it 
would be if you had a St. 

877
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:36,300
G, g, g g, t, and also a LP. 
So, the for enzymes and, and the

878
00:48:36,308 --> 00:48:41,100
diagnosis of any problems is 
always those four in ratios to 

879
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:47,300
each other. 
So if you had high LDL possibly,

880
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,800
the question would be. 
Well, let's have a look at your 

881
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,100
triglycerides in your HDL and 
maybe a vldl would be really 

882
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,500
interesting to look at which is 
very underestimated. 

883
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,700
Mated. 
Because vldl was like your 

884
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:00,100
income in food. 
Really. 

885
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,000
Where does it go first? 
What will the cell was thinking 

886
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000
of? 
I personally think that could be

887
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,200
used as a test to see if a fat 
adapted. 

888
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,700
So there's many different things
you could do to look at this one

889
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:15,700
number and explain it. 
It makes sense. 

890
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:19,000
Yeah, I think yeah. 
And as you said, I feel like all

891
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,300
of this is secondary to just 
looking at the overall symptom 

892
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,700
that the individual and how 
they're feeling performing, what

893
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,400
what other markers are able to 
recognize tangibly? 

894
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:31,400
That should be first. 
Yeah, I mean I'll flip this 

895
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
rubber because you, you know, I 
don't know if you get this but I

896
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,500
get many clients that come in 
and say I've got a problem, but 

897
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:40,700
I've had all the tests and they 
say, there's nothing wrong with 

898
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:46,000
me and there clearly is you 
Because they can't be all these 

899
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,900
people running around with his 
completely imaginary problems. 

900
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:54,300
So how does that fit in? 
So the presentation is been 

901
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,700
being ignored. 
The patient's actual real 

902
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:01,300
experience is being ignored. 
You know, I've got joint pain, 

903
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,700
I've got this, I've got that, 
you know, I've run all the tests

904
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:08,700
and I'm fine and I also but 
you're not because you're here, 

905
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:10,800
you're talking about this, 
you've got our problems. 

906
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,700
So we got to we got to find out 
what the problem is and your 

907
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,000
problem is not. 
Showing up yet. 

908
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,800
So we look at the symptoms and 
we could make a prediction of 

909
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,000
what these symptoms will look 
like in testing the future and 

910
00:50:25,008 --> 00:50:28,600
that's what we keep an eye on. 
But if you eat this way, the 

911
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,200
chances are you're going to 
reverse all these things anyway 

912
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,600
so it's not a worry. 
So maybe this is like your 

913
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,800
wake-up call. 
This is your beginning of 

914
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,300
something so it's not detectable
but you going back to my thing 

915
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,800
about the Bloods, you know, 
where the blood glucose was. 

916
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,700
Great 20 years ago, but the 
incident has really high, you 

917
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:49,000
know, that, but that was a 
wake-up call. 

918
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,500
If you had a slight symptom that
said, your insulin is high in 

919
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:54,900
the background, even though you 
look fine in a blood glucose is 

920
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:56,800
fine. 
Here's my little thing where 

921
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,300
you've been going? 
Yes, you got a problem. 

922
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,300
You need to look into it. 
I think that's that's how I look

923
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:03,000
at it. 
If someone's got any sort of 

924
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,000
issue and it's not detected and 
we could get into clinical 

925
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,600
studies about supplements that 
allegedly don't work because 

926
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,600
there's no scientific background
but how studies of setup I'm 

927
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,900
sorry I've digressed here. 
But it's the same principle. 

928
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,600
So something like encased 
glucosamine, which is a 

929
00:51:19,607 --> 00:51:23,400
supplement that many people say 
relieves their pain, symptoms in

930
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,400
their joints, doesn't have much 
scientific background because 

931
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,700
when you do a study, they want 
you to have a physical thing 

932
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:34,100
that they can see on an image to
categorically say something has 

933
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,900
changed which you see as a 
researcher, I totally understand

934
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,300
I'm not going to take this guy's
word that is his ankle is bad 

935
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,000
because I can't see it on an 
X-ray. 

936
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,700
So all the supplements, That 
helped people that haven't got a

937
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,200
thing, that's detected and an 
image. 

938
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:53,600
But definitely is a pain because
why would people be lying about 

939
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,300
a painting, their ankle for 
years and trying to sort it if 

940
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:59,800
there wasn't something wrong. 
So then they take glucose 

941
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,200
glucosamine and that pain goes 
and they say well what's with 

942
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
the science of this? 
And I'll stash were there is no 

943
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,500
studies that really, that say it
works. 

944
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,100
But that's because the studies 
are flawed because they will 

945
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,400
only take Which but I'm not 
actually critical of that 

946
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,700
research design because that 
makes sense too because the 

947
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:23,400
nothing beats. 
I mean, I love it when people 

948
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,500
come with a dexterous gain and 
and I can see everything and 

949
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:31,700
they can see everything because 
he's very convincing. 

950
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,900
You know, I've had a woman come 
and you really worried about the

951
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:37,200
fact, she gained some weight and
I said well look you look 

952
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,700
terrific. 
I'm assuming the weight is 

953
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:44,300
muscle and bone. 
And luckily, you had a dexa scan

954
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:49,300
me many months ago, why don't 
you get a dexa scan when I will?

955
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:53,600
I will be pretty convinced that 
you have lost body fat and 

956
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,900
you've gained muscle and bone 
course lo and behold she had. 

957
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:59,800
So you saw it in the image. 
So, you know, there's, there's 

958
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,900
two ways of looking at a thing 
there because I liked the image.

959
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:06,500
So, I was exactly like those 
researchers because it proved it

960
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:10,500
proved the concept that you can 
gain weight on the scale but it 

961
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:12,100
doesn't mean you gain fat, you 
know? 

962
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,700
No, you gain muscle, we've lost 
body fat, which allegedly you 

963
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:17,700
can't do because you can, 
because we keep seeing it in 

964
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,800
this, the especially this way of
eating, you can gain muscle, 

965
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
gain bone, density, and lose 
body fat. 

966
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:26,800
Yeah, that happens all the time 
and the decks are was just that 

967
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,300
brilliant image that prove that 
categorically that happened. 

968
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Yeah, I think having data like 
that, that is it's so strange 

969
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,400
like people get so fixated on 
the scale but they don't take 

970
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,400
into account all the other 
factors. 

971
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,500
Like I see this a lot with my 
clients that need to do a 

972
00:53:40,508 --> 00:53:43,400
reverse dieting basically. 
Increase their intake because 

973
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,700
they've been chronically 
restricting. 

974
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:47,900
So they'll often times see an 
increase in scale weight. 

975
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,600
But a lot of that is fluid 
weight but they sleep better. 

976
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,500
They've got more energy, the 
recoveries better, they're 

977
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:56,100
stronger, they're building more 
lean tissue and all of that 

978
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,400
needs to be put into context and
and recognized, as well as the 

979
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,700
post is simply looking at the 
number on the scale and seeing 

980
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,300
that increase and then getting 
disheartened. 

981
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,400
Yeah. 
I mean, I'm in the sky. 

982
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,600
Oh, I mean, it is not your 
friend in any way because you're

983
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,100
looking at the wrong. 
Wrong thing because you're 

984
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,700
looking at White and not mass, 
and then people get hung up on 

985
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,500
calories. 
I'm just about to release a 

986
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:20,700
video. 
I've been putting the putting 

987
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:24,000
the final nail in the coffin of 
calories and and the challenge 

988
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,300
will be for anyone to watch this
and actually tell me it doesn't 

989
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:29,900
make sense what I'm saying and 
prove me wrong because it 

990
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:35,600
narrows it to wait for the 
YouTube video because we just we

991
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,400
just look at food in the wrong 
way and there's so many Force 

992
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
paradigms about A calorie is a 
complete waste of time to look 

993
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,800
at. 
Really, you need to look at mass

994
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,400
and you need to look at energy 
and the usage of those 

995
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,700
nutrients. 
So I'm, I've got an experiment 

996
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,500
that actually proves 
categorically is going to be 

997
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,600
video that calories. 
Do not make a difference to 

998
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,500
White. 
It is all about Mass. 

999
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:07,600
So Yeah, I like to look at 
things differently and have a 

1000
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,600
bit more common sense. 
So when people come in and like 

1001
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,000
I say they've got a pain and 
they've been told, there's 

1002
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,400
nothing wrong with them. 
That makes no sense. 

1003
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,300
Yeah. 
What the answer is? 

1004
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:23,900
There's nothing wrong. 
We can see or text, but there is

1005
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:25,600
something wrong with you because
you've got pain. 

1006
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,800
So we need to look at why you've
got pain and how we can regress 

1007
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,000
that how we can get that better 
rehab it or whatever and You 

1008
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,700
know that that's basically my 
job. 

1009
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,500
I do a bit of rehab as well. 
Bit manipulation at a tattooist 

1010
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:45,400
in the other day. 
Really fascinating guy used to 

1011
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,400
be a child, you know, the book a
children's book illustrator and 

1012
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,100
because kids don't read books 
with that sort of illustration 

1013
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,700
in anymore, it's all like 
computer done and everything, he

1014
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,200
became a tattooist, you know, 
because he wanted to be 

1015
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,300
illustrating and he couldn't 
move his neck anymore and he 

1016
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,500
said You know, I've had an MRI. 
I've spent thousands on this, 

1017
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:08,800
can't move my neck. 
And within 20 minutes, I wish 

1018
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,800
I'd video dis he got his full 
range of motion, completely 

1019
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,000
back, then, that happens a lot. 
I don't do the rehab very much, 

1020
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,900
you know, like the physical 
manipulation, but it was a an ex

1021
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,600
bodybuilding friend of mine, who
recommended that, this guy come 

1022
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,100
to me and his faith. 
He just can't believe it when he

1023
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,400
had. 
How can you do that? 

1024
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,200
How can you do that? 
I mean, you just, you know, 

1025
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:37,200
Palpated my neck and looked at 
how I moved and it's perfect. 

1026
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,300
Now I said, well, that's because
I've not been led to believe 

1027
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,200
that the image is the be-all and
end-all. 

1028
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,500
I think there are certain things
that you can just tell from how 

1029
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:53,200
somebody's biomechanics are. 
We can fix it on my YouTube. 

1030
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,500
I started video in these rehab 
things, but that's not really my

1031
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:59,000
thing. 
I don't, they are interesting 

1032
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,200
and I loved seeing the 
reactions, but in the end, I'm 

1033
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,400
not in it to get clicks. 
I mean it. 

1034
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,000
For that person's life to be 
much, much better. 

1035
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,500
And I think just having that 
specialism as well. 

1036
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:15,100
So basically, I did like a 
osteopathic, spinal manipulation

1037
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Advanced certificate thing. 
Just looking at that and how 

1038
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,400
manipulation can help make a big
difference. 

1039
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:29,000
As made me very open-minded to 
to everything when it comes to 

1040
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,500
physiology and that we don't 
know everything and The more I 

1041
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:36,300
learn the more I realize, I 
don't know. 

1042
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,000
Yeah I think it's a really 
fascinating area. 

1043
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,900
I just I just think Health at 
the moment is such a big topic 

1044
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:46,800
and sadly, the mainstream media 
are obsessed with an empathic 

1045
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,600
medicine and just medications, 
and it's just a completely wrong

1046
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,500
way to look at, we need to get 
back to eating the right food. 

1047
00:57:54,700 --> 00:58:00,000
Bit of movement, that's not 
saying eat less move more, but I

1048
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,500
think we should eat the correct 
food and we should do the right.

1049
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Right amount of movement for us 
and you're just so your health 

1050
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,300
improves so much and don't get 
hung up with numbers. 

1051
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:15,800
It's better to use a mirror and 
how you feel and your mood how 

1052
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,500
you're moving, how pain-free you
are. 

1053
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:20,500
And that's that's a much better 
guide. 

1054
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,300
I think and your mental Clarity 
and how a sleeping all these 

1055
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,700
things are really important. 
Yea and all that will likely 

1056
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:28,100
improve. 
So like for you personally just 

1057
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,800
kind of will round out here out 
here but I want knowing all 

1058
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,000
that. 
You know what is a typical day 

1059
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,600
of eating? 
Look like for you, for instance,

1060
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,800
are you doing you doing Corner 
Wilbur? 

1061
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,500
Is it like a like a two meals a 
day one of those meals? 

1062
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,400
Well, you're asking a question. 
I asked a lot of people and I 

1063
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,100
and I'm more intuitive and 
Engine enough. 

1064
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:52,700
Somebody I spoke to today, I 
interviewed Brett Lloyd and we 

1065
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:56,500
actually a birds of a feather 
because we just are intuitive. 

1066
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,400
So, yes, it tends to end up 
being two meals a day, but 

1067
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,100
that's not by Design. 
If I wanted a third meal and I 

1068
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:05,300
felt hungry and I was genuinely 
hungry. 

1069
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:07,700
I wasn't just doing it because 
board or really fancied, another

1070
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:12,600
rib eye because I'm being greedy
today, it would it tends to land

1071
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,300
at two meals a day? 
I'm really not hung up on on 

1072
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,800
that at all. 
I'm not hung up on fasting, if I

1073
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,900
wanted to drop some weight for 
some photographs, some body fat 

1074
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:29,000
on might fast. 
But I think that's because my 

1075
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,000
health is so good, so I'm yeah, 
sorry I'm that's really rubbish 

1076
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,100
answer. 
So yeah, I'm on my YouTube 

1077
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:37,500
channel. 
I do have a thing called what I 

1078
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:38,800
eat in a day because people like
to see. 

1079
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:44,200
So eat a lot of fish sea bass 
and sermons, gallops prawns 

1080
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:46,700
shrimp. 
Cool, that sort of stuff. 

1081
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,700
I have a lot of rubberized 
T-Bones at rib eye on the bone 

1082
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,800
the other day which really nice 
some ground beef. 

1083
00:59:53,900 --> 01:00:00,500
Fitz take you get a lily pads 
and some you know, dance So 

1084
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,700
again Robert sorry you get the 
the leaner Cuts with a lot of 

1085
01:00:02,707 --> 01:00:04,900
the seafood there within the 
fattier cuts with the ribeye. 

1086
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:07,500
So pretty good ratio of both 
fats and proteins. 

1087
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:09,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1088
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,900
But again, that's it, that's not
how I approach it. 

1089
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,700
I like sea bass. 
And I mean before I was low 

1090
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:21,900
carb, I was hospitalized because
I had high allergic reaction to 

1091
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:25,400
fish just to all Seafood. 
So, twice, in my life, I've been

1092
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,800
hospitalized and now I can eat 
it. 

1093
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,600
So yeah, I was told I'd never 
get rid of these allergies, 

1094
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,800
there's many things we haven't 
really covered that have been 

1095
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,900
miraculous. 
And that's that is one of the, 

1096
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:41,500
one of the Things when I was 
bodybuilding, that guy used to 

1097
01:00:41,508 --> 01:00:44,600
train with. 
He used to eat a lot of fish and

1098
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,000
that was really handy because 
you would have these tuner and 

1099
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,900
rice after training and I would 
be really jealous because it 

1100
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:52,900
looked lovely. 
And I couldn't eat it because I 

1101
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:55,900
was allergic to fish and then I 
got into my 50s. 

1102
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:59,900
Lo and behold when I did the 
low-carb, all these allergies 

1103
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,800
started to disappear. 
I was lactose intolerant. 

1104
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,400
That isn't the case. 
Now have raw milk and kefir, not

1105
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,400
so much now. 
Actually I'd little phase of 

1106
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,600
loving it. 
So I think the more you eat this

1107
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,500
way, the more your body sort of 
adapts and becomes natural and 

1108
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,200
adapted to the animal proteins, 
animal fats. 

1109
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,100
And I just eat, that's the one I
fancy that day. 

1110
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:26,600
And if we got it in, no nice. 
Juicy ribeye is about my 

1111
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,800
favorite thing. 
But I hadn't eaten ribeye until 

1112
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,200
I was 55 never eaten one before.
So that's my favorite at the 

1113
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,800
moment. 
That's a good one. 

1114
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,000
That's a good one. 
You can't go wrong with a good 

1115
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,400
rib eye. 
No, from a mechanistic 

1116
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,700
standpoint. 
What do you think? 

1117
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:46,300
The primary reason for the the 
allergies disappearing was like 

1118
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:49,000
just the anti-inflammatory 
nature of removing the Quorum. 

1119
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,700
So what do you think the primary
driver was there? 

1120
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,700
Well, that's a good question. 
I don't know, possibly a little 

1121
01:01:55,700 --> 01:02:00,100
bit of a systemic inflammation. 
Possibly dysregulation of my 

1122
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:05,900
cell membranes. 
Yeah, I don't I had not really 

1123
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:07,500
thought about, that's a great 
question, Robert. 

1124
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,000
I was just pleased that I had 
not got it anymore. 

1125
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,200
But yeah, but I said, I suppose 
if I relate it to the antibody 

1126
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,000
effects of people, with thyroid 
this way of eating, definitely 

1127
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,600
just these are, you know, we'll 
see. 

1128
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,500
Reduction in TPO and TG 
antibodies. 

1129
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:30,100
So I'm assuming, yeah, that 
immune response is dampened down

1130
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:33,600
by a species appropriate diet, 
for whatever reason it is and I 

1131
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,900
would imagine it would be 
systemic inflammation and 

1132
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:41,000
obviously probably something to 
do with the mast cells and 

1133
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,100
histamine regulation. 
So yeah, not thought about that.

1134
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,100
I'll have to look into that. 
I'm just so pleased. 

1135
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,900
I could eat fish. 
I didn't really think any more 

1136
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:50,600
about it. 
Hey, we're fish is good, you 

1137
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,500
don't have to ever worry about 
About the the Mercury account in

1138
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:55,900
the the seat Master, you don't 
have a have you tested your 

1139
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:59,800
levels on there? 
No, you're getting very nuanced 

1140
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,000
here. 
I don't think sea bass is a 

1141
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,100
predatory fish that would have 
high levels of mercury. 

1142
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:11,100
I think I don't eat it enough 
for it to be problematic. 

1143
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:13,200
And don't forget, I've had 50 
years where I've never had any 

1144
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,300
of it. 
Yeah, so it makes sense. 

1145
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:22,900
You know, I probably have it. 
Three times a month and it is 

1146
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,700
fresh and, you know, freshly 
caught. 

1147
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,300
Yeah, so billion. 
Oh yeah, could look at that, I 

1148
01:03:29,308 --> 01:03:31,100
suppose. 
I mean, I am open-minded. 

1149
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,500
That's one of the things I pride
myself on being. 

1150
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,700
All right, you've asked a 
question then, I realize I will 

1151
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:39,900
really go into that and look it 
up and trying to find out why 

1152
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:43,900
that might have happened. 
But sometimes, you know, you're 

1153
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:47,700
so close to it, so you can't see
the action because you're in it,

1154
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,100
so that's a great question. 
I'm Replaced view asked that, so

1155
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,700
I'll try to find the answer to 
that. 

1156
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,000
Yeah, definitely, keep me 
posted, I'm curious for sure. 

1157
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Well, awesome. 
And we are more than an hour in 

1158
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Steven. 
I want to be respectful of your 

1159
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,400
time. 
Where do people go to dig deeper

1160
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,200
into your world and find out 
more about you, where the 

1161
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:10,600
website is the UK carnivore.com.
And I'm also on Instagram, you 

1162
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:16,900
can Carnival, I will be bringing
out a nap soon actually, I think

1163
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,100
so that will be detailed on the 
Website. 

1164
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:23,000
So, yeah. 
Lots of different things on the 

1165
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,600
website, which I'm trying to 
improve Instagram. 

1166
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,300
Yeah. 
They're the two things, really. 

1167
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,100
And your podcast is on the 
website as well as it separate. 

1168
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:35,000
Yeah. 
So yeah, that's why buzzsprout, 

1169
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,600
but you can find the the 
carnivore experience I've called

1170
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,500
it. 
So that's yeah, that's on 

1171
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:45,900
Spotify and you know, on Apple 
and all those sort of places. 

1172
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:48,800
So yeah, and I've been doing 
that for a month but that's more

1173
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,400
about success. 
There is no science on that yet 

1174
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,800
so that's just just real people 
and some experts we got heart 

1175
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,200
surgeons fertility, specialist 
mental health experts dietitians

1176
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,000
even all talking about 
low-carbon. 

1177
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,100
Yeah plenty of doctors on there 
were talking about their own 

1178
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:09,900
personal successes and what they
do for their clients. 

1179
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,600
So I'm really proud of the 
podcast. 

1180
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,500
I've only been doing it a month,
I'm not an old hand like you. 

1181
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,800
So I've got to learn what to do 
with podcast so I should Know 

1182
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,100
how to get people to it. 
But yes, I think I do cheekily 

1183
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:28,100
called it, the kind of 
experience a sort of echo, The 

1184
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:31,700
Joe Rogan Experience really? 
Hey no, I'd say it's makes total

1185
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:34,100
sense, man. 
He's obviously doing something 

1186
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:39,200
right with podcasting, so mimic 
him is not a bad thing, I love 

1187
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,400
it. 
Well, I will link out to all of 

1188
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,700
those sites make it easier for 
people to find you and I will 

1189
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:44,200
definitely tune in to YouTube 
channel. 

1190
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,900
To watch that video on calories 
when it comes out. 

1191
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:49,200
I've thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation man. 

1192
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,400
Will I have to keep in touch. 
If there's ever anything I can 

1193
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,200
do for you, by all means, let me
know. 

1194
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,700
Good, sir. 
Okay, thank you. 

1195
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:56,500
Take care.