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Well, hello ladies and gents. 
Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Trevor Griffith on the line and 

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we dive into his journey to the 
carnivore diet and how that's 

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impacted him. 
He was really in a pretty bad 

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way. 
I mean, he was on the brink of 

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death there. 
He was pretty much debilitated, 

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bedridden for three months. 
He was passing out, had all 

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kinds of health issues. 
Doctors couldn't really put a 

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finger as to what the the 
driving factor was and he 

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started seeing success with a. 
Animal based diet and then a 

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carnivore diet more 
specifically. 

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As of late here has been doing 
carnivore for about a year now 

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and we kind of talk about that 
journey, how that impacted his 

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life, his marriage, how he 
recovered from it and is now 

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making strides in his life. 
He also owns a gym. 

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So we talked about gym ownership
and what that's done for him 

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with the pros, the cons are to 
that. 

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And honestly, just a little bit 
about what his goals are in life

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going forward. 
I thoroughly enjoy the 

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conversation. 
I got a lot out of it. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
as well. 

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So that further ado, sit back, 
relax, enjoy the podcast with 

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Trevor 
and we are live Trevor, How are 

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you brother? 
I'm doing fantastic brother 

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yourself. 
I'm good, man. 

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I'm good. 
So we were chatting. 

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On social media. 
And then zoom. 

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I believe you did a zoom call 
about starting a food product 

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business. 
You've been doing the carnivore 

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diet. 
At the time of that e-mail, I 

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think you had written 10 months.
I guess it's what about about a 

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year now? 
Total, right? 

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Yeah, creeping up on a year, I 
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I was a animal based a little 
bit prior to Carnivore, but for 

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some specific issues and we can 
go into it, I had to kind of 

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stray away from that. 
And so, yeah, for about a year. 

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Very cool. 
Well. 

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I want to kind of get some 
backstorm man, what got you 

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wanting to go the animal based 
route and then Carnival in the 

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1st place like where you stuff 
from, from any health concerns 

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or what was the what was the 
origin story. 

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Yes. 
So I guess the once wasn't there

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as much as the need, right? 
And that brings me to my health 

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concerns. 
So I'm looking back, I was an 

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extremely unhealthy kid, but I 
just thought my issues kind of 

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started. 
We'll say two, 2 1/2 years ago 

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and I thought I was a diabetic. 
I never, well, outside of being 

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a kid, I never ate extremely 
terrible when you're a kid. 

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You know, I grew up on Tyson, 
you know, breaded fried chicken 

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Nuggets and canola oil and stuff
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So looking back, it wasn't a 
good diet by any means. 

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But when I started getting into 
like bodybuilding and modeling 

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and stuff like that, I paid more
mind to what I was putting in my

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body and I was doing you know, 
the bro diet, the bodybuilding 

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diet, chicken, rice, etcetera. 
And I was continuing with this 

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and that was like I said 2 1/2 
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And I was really keeping a low 
fat because I always wanted to 

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be show ready or photo ready. 
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3040 grams forever for three 
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It's crazy, low, man. 
Oh my gosh, dude. 

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Yeah. 
And there's a story. 

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I can run off with this too, but
I would have those insane cheap 

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meals, right? 
Like, everybody, Builder thinks,

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you know, they're extremely 
healthy and their diet's 

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extremely healthy and there's 
no, like, there's really no, 

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like, unhealthy mental. 
Push towards anything if you eat

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like that. 
Well, I just thought that I made

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myself diabetic because my cheat
meals were so just extensive. 

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I mean, I would eat a plate of 
brownies, a large pizza, cereal,

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ice cream, Like, I would just go
overboard, dude, and really let 

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my cravings take over and I lost
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So extremely unhealthy, right? 
If you look back. 

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So the diabetic was. 
The reason I thought I was 

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diabetic was because I was 
having episodes of like passing 

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out. 
So I would be doing something 

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like fully functional, you know,
like at this time I had, you 

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know, three jobs, plus I owned a
business and I was running 

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around. 
Then all of a sudden I wouldn't 

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necessarily hit the ground, but 
I couldn't communicate and I 

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couldn't really move it. 
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And it was like every 15 it 
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seconds. 
And then I'd snap back in and 

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whoever I was around, they were 
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going on? 
Started really freaking my wife 

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out and like all men, you know, 
I was stubborn. 

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I was like, no, I got this 
especially, you know, I was in 

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the military. 
So I pulled that mentality too. 

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I was just like, Nah, it's 
whatever. 

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And I'm going to run my body 
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Well, it start happening. 
Those episodes went from 15 

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seconds to about 30 minutes in 
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at work. 
It started happening when I was 

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driving as well. 
So thankfully, you know, I 

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didn't kill. 
I've never killed anybody doing 

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anything like that, or you know,
I never got in a wreck. 

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I was able to quickly pull off 
before it happened, so I really 

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couldn't drive for a good while.
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into every other symptom that 
you can, I mean do everything 

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and you can, we can pull from 
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And that's really the start of 
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I don't know if you have any 
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can keep going or what. 
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Had you ever done any blood 
testing to see kind of if your 

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sugar was really high or really 
low or checked your blood 

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pressure or anything like? 
That so obviously I had. 

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Gone to the doctor, you know 
what I mean? 

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Yearly or even every other year 
and I would have like odd things

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pop up, liver, kidney function. 
But when all this started 

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happening, I did start going to 
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Especially when you know, it was
happening at work and when I was

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driving and there were like 
weird things like like my light 

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pace was really off in just like
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I guess my the further I went 
right and the more symptoms, the

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more testing, the more 
specialists I did and more 

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things started to be off like my
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markers were it started to be 
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Like I said, my liver, kidney 
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Let me think, I'm trying to 
think what else? 

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Yeah, just like you're in. 
My white blood cell count was 

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extremely low, like things that 
it it wasn't. 

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I was in the diseased state, 
right, because I was outside of 

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the markers. 
But it wasn't enough for anyone 

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to be like, oh, let's see what's
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They just kept telling me I 
looked healthy, which, you know,

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as I started learning, it was 
making me mad because I was 

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like, you guys aren't pointing 
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You're sending me to specialists
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And dude, they were just like 
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Like I got cut open multiple 
times for lipoma, moles removed.

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So two neurologists, I was 
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Like I said, my skin, my heart 
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So like I did the POTS test all 
that stuff and really no one 

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knew and they just wanted to 
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depressed. 
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were getting were, were these 
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So no, I guess OK, that was were
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started going to extreme 
disassociation like I was losing

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the feeling and like half of my 
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my body would go numb. 
I. 

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I had no energy. 
I had extremely like depressive 

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bipolar type. 
Just instances, man, where my 

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wife would come home from doing 
something, I'd be laying on the 

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ground like scream crying like 
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Yeah, I forgot. 
And I just told this on a couple

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other podcasts. 
I literally forgot who my wife 

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was, who my parents were for a 
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I was bedridden for about 3 
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I just had no energy to do 
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I pretty much accepted that I 
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started writing, you know, a 
letter. 

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Will you call it to my wife and 
my phone? 

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Because I was just like, all 
right, I'm dying. 

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Like this is, this is the 
reality I need to start, you 

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know, kind of chalking it up and
planning for her. 

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So I'm not, you know, just 
leaving her out to dry. 

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And yeah, it it got pretty 
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And like, what was they weren't 
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as to what the the the cause 
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What was your mind thinking at 
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Like, did you think it was food 
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Did you think there's some weird
genetic ailment that you had? 

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Like what was your mind 
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So once I got past complete 
despair, right and I was 

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praying. 
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was praying. 
For an answer to get healthy. 

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And then I started praying to 
just be able to die, dude, 

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because I was so just like gone 
and I had given up and it wasn't

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happening. 
So finally I started digging in.

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I started learning about 
functional health. 

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I started studying from 
naturopathic doctors. 

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I started reading books and I 
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testing on my own. 
So I did get certified under a 

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naturopath. 
Dr. I guess. 

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But he taught me how to retest. 
So I started doing tests on my 

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own, like my cortisol, my 
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Then I started doing some gut 
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test, and really just seeing my 
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There was a bunch of stuff that 
was extremely off, like bacteria

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wise, and I just started 
basically piecing things 

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together. 
I did do a bunch of protocols. 

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I don't know. 
If they were beneficial at all 

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really, because when I started 
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medical medium, vegetarian 
fruititarian approach and it 

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made me sick, made me super 
sick. 

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I don't know if you've ever 
heard of medical medium, but 

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it's high and obviously 
antinutrients, oxalates and 

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things like that. 
So it made me super sick before 

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I found the animal based and 
carnivore diet and it honestly 

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it was just like slowly 
researching and. 

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My body got to the point of like
no return and I I had to. 

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This was the only other option 
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And like what was your like you 
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guess you had put the pause 
button on pretty much all career

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pass at that point? 
Oh, dude, everything. 

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I mean, so me and my wife and we
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We own a gym here in Ohio, and I
hadn't even walked in it in a 

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year and a half. 
Like, nothing. 

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No. 
I didn't talk to anyone. 

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I think I saw my family maybe, 
and my family. 

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I mean my mom and dad maybe like
five times in a year and a half.

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It was like, I mean, I was 
basically writing myself off 

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from everywhere. 
What was the the catalyst that 

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took you from totally embracing 
death and being at peace with 

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the fact that you were dying? 
Or maybe not at peace with it, 

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but just the reality of that 
association to? 

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Starting to gain hope like what 
was what was that trajectory? 

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It was actually a friend of mine
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He was the last I guess like 
doctor type, right that I had 

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seen. 
I went to him and me and my wife

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have seen again at this time so 
many specialists and. 

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We went in there and we're 
balling because we can't hold it

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in. 
And everyone's turning us away. 

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And he just looked at me and he 
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obviously chiropractors stand 
behind the power that makes the 

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body, heals the body. 
And he said I'm going to get in 

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the boat with you and I'm not 
getting out. 

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And that's what shifted 
everything. 

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I was like, Oh my gosh, there is
a light. 

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My body can do this. 
I just got to, I got to figure 

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it out. 
What was your wife thinking 

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throughout this whole time? 
Like, was she? 

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Yeah, I can't imagine what this 
would be like for her. 

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Yeah, she it took a toll on her.
And she's had to, you know, work

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with coaches and things to 
really bring herself back 

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because she had to be my wife. 
But she had to take care of us 

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financially, what she was able 
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So, and that's an absolute 
blessing for that. 

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She had to be my counselor, my 
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all those things that she should
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So it took a huge toll on her. 
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something new is kind of like 
Eureka moment, you know? 

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vegetarian lifestyle and all 

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these supplements, all these 
protocols, I was like, I found 

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the answer And then she would 
watch me just stay sick or get 

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worse and it was just like, I 
don't know, she was becoming 

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numb. 
Because when you were in the 

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thick of it, I'm assuming you 
you weren't training all that 

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extensively, so you probably 
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No. 
Yeah, I I took because I noticed

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my cortisol was so high, so I 
was borderline Cushings, but I 

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didn't look, you know the part 
of Cushings. 

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I didn't have the stretch marks.
I wasn't obese like. 

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So I took probably a year off 
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Train would be when I would get 
super like disgruntled and I was

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like, you know what, I'm going 
to try to just run my body into 

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the ground. 
So I would go on like a five 

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mile run, Six Mile run and do 
they would put me down for like 

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a week, literally in bed for a 
week because I just couldn't 

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recover and I'm so sick. 
Know what you know now what do 

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you think, like the, the primary
catalyst for all that was, like 

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what do you think the, the 
mechanism was? 

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So knowing what I know now, man,
I could take it back to, you 

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know, many things that I did 
when I was a young child, many 

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sicknesses like that I was given
antibiotics for, and I didn't 

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really allow my immune system to
fight or get over the way I 

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should. 
Obviously diet, lifestyle, 

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trauma. 
And then you just build on that,

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right. 
And then you know there there 

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was that stent where I lowered 
my fat and what what does that 

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do to your cellular function, 
your brain function, your immune

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system, you know you're I was 
kind of taking it. 

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And then that's when genetics, 
you know, kind of play a role 

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when you're not doing a thing 
things epigenetically, right, 

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your genetics. 
Can take over. 

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So Alzheimer's dementia is super
high in my family and I do carry

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the one of the the genes that 
predisposes me to it. 

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So that's kind of the avenue I 
started going down, yeah. 

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That's why, man, I can't imagine
30 grams of fat for three years,

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you know, on end. 
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binging that you were having 
periods, that was higher dietary

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fat, I would think, right? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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But. 
It was like, you know what I 

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mean? 
It was never a good source. 

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It was always like Snickers or 
something like that. 

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But the story I wanted to branch
off and tell you, when I was 

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doing that and I was competing, 
I was doing cardio twice a day, 

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right, running just off cortisol
and a dream. 

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I remember going into the gym, I
was working at local gym here to

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Ohio and I walked in the 
bathroom and. 

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You know those moments where 
your your body just kind of 

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takes over and you don't have to
really think about it? 

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Well, that was happening to me 
and when I did click like my 

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brain clicked back on, I ended 
up peeing in a trash can in that

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in that gym that I had worked 
worked out in like know it very 

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well, could even draw a diagram 
now of what the bathroom looks 

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like. 
I was peeing in a trash can. 

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So. 
My fat had been so low and I was

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running purely on just like a 
cortisol spike, that my body was

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like, no, you can't do this. 
My brain wasn't operating at 

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all. 
Having dietary fat that like 

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I've competed against guys that 
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fish oil pills from their diet 
to get their dietary fat down. 

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You know crazy amounts there at 
the end and it's like everything

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tanks like hormonal function 
totally gone 0 libido. 

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Zero energy, like everything, 
just totally, completely shuts 

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down on you. 
I mean, every cell in our body 

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is encapsulated in a lipid 
bilayer. 

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If you don't have any dietary 
fat coming in, you are not going

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to function as a human should. 
No, not at all. 

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And it's crazy because if you 
look at back at babies, that 

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just makes so much sense. 
I mean, there's so many other 

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angles you could look at, right?
But like, if we just did, it's 

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almost like if Phd's, and I'm 
not like harping on Phd's, but 

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we'll just say like. 
Education. 

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If it didn't get so involved 
with just the simple things in 

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life, we'd be so much better, 
right? 

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But it's corruption here, shifts
here that ultimately lead of us,

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lead us to this just unhealthy 
lifestyle that we find ourselves

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in. 
Yeah, I'm all for education. 

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I feel like people get so myopic
with education, particularly in 

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like the nutrition space with 
certain studies, that they 

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forget the they forget how to 
think. 

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Critical they they just get so 
myopic towards what a study 

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shows or a small sample size or 
some you know, obscured data 

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point that they don't know how 
to think rationally from an 

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objective critical standpoint. 
And it's crazy cuz like all the 

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stuff that we're now learning 
about nutrition is the stuff 

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that we were doing by default 
500 years ago because it was the

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sensible thing to do. 
Yeah. 

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No, I mean, yeah, I completely 
agree. 

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It's. 
There's such a, it's there's 

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such a just disconnection, 
right. 

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You got people who are maybe 
studying things and I do believe

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the intentions are are great, 
right? 

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But they're the disconnect is 
like I can study something and 

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now I'm just like regurgitating 
knowledge or I'm not actually 

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seeing what is happening we'll 
say out in the real world, 

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right? 
And there just is an extreme 

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disconnection. 
Yeah, 100%, man. 

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So, so talk to me about the the 
recovery short what did that 

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look like? 
You, you went to this 

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chiropractor, he gave you hope. 
And then what? 

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So then I started. 
Really. 

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I did start to implement some 
supplements. 

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I was at this point. 
I was also having extreme 

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histamine reactions to 
everything, so I was so reactive

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to everything. 
Which that's ultimately why it 

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led me to an animalbased diet 
too, because I couldn't take 

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anything without getting 
extremely sick. 

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And all of my symptoms related 
back to like neurological based 

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issues, right. 
So ultimately, you know, I would

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try something and it was like 
man, I feel a little better, but

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now this is making me feel awful
what's going on. 

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And then I would have to kind 
of, you know, go back to the 

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drawing board. 
I would take this out And then 

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one of my buddies he's, you 
know, good old farm boy, he's a 

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sniper here in Ohio, dude, just 
a heck of a dude. 

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He was like, well, I've been 
doing this carnivore thing for a

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long time and I think you should
try it. 

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So I did try it for two weeks, 
and then I allowed people to 

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sway my opinion and I didn't 
research it the way I should 

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have. 
So I stopped it and then I went 

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to other things and obviously 
those paths didn't lead me 

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anywhere. 
And then I eventually came back 

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and I started really studying, 
listen to podcasts, listen to 

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all of these just really 
brilliant people. 

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And that's when I got on the 
animal based approach, right, 

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the Paul Saladino style 
approach. 

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And you know, I was doing really
great. 

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There was a few hiccups here 
with, you know, all the organ 

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supplements. 
I ran into something there. 

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And then with the sugar, I 
noticed my yeast issues because 

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I had extreme yeast, extreme can
can. 

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Candida, Candida in my body, 
sorry. 

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And it was just growing. 
So toenail fungus, jock itch and

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tenea versus collar was just 
growing all over my body. 

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So I was like, obviously I'm 
feeding this, you know, Sugar's 

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feeding this. 
So then that led me to strict 

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carnivore and you know, started 
reducing going away. 

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And then I just started feeling 
phenomenal. 

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My brain started. 
Functioning at a level that it 

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had never really functioned. 
I mean, never I went from being.

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I was never like OCD or anything
like that. 

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But I was always like anxious 
and a little edgy and it was 

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like calming me down. 
I could think I've now read. 

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I mean, I was never a big 
reader, but at this point I 

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think I've read 23 books so far 
this year and listened to, you 

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know, several more. 
So my brain is just functioning 

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at a higher rate. 
My body is healing fast, faster 

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and I don't have to work out as 
hard. 

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So it's just like been extremely
beneficial and I haven't even 

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you know, I've only been doing 
it for a year, so when you think

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lifetime, that's not long at 
all. 

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Not long at all man. 
And so when you're doing the the

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animal based via Saldino's 
approach was was that he's kind 

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of switched several times is 
that with all the fruit that he 

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was recommending for the while. 
Yes, I was trying to keep it, I 

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guess low glycemic, more so like
berries and stuff. 

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And I was obviously trying to 
stay organic, stay away from the

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pesticides and stuff because I 
did test for glyphosate and I 

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had a significant amount in my 
body as well. 

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So yeah, I was just trying to 
keep it there. 

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I did like pineapple obviously, 
you know, that's drastically 

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different than. 
Berries, but it does have the 

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enzymes, digestive enzymes in it
that I was, you know, kind of 

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thinking. 
But ultimately I just had to 

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pull it all out because as I 
said, you know, the yeast was 

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becoming a bigger, a bigger 
issue. 

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Yeah, and you mentioned 
histamines too. 

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I've had a few clients that had 
extreme, you know, histamine 

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responses to the point where, 
like, they can't just simply 

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eat. 
You know, carnivore, that they 

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have to go as deep as to where 
they're sourcing those meats, 

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because if it's age too long, 
there's gonna be an increase in 

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histamine there they're gonna 
respond poorly to. 

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Have you had any issues with 
that? 

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So I did for a little bit and 
mainly it would come from if I 

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like compiled higher histamine 
animal based food. 

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So if I was like consuming like 
bacon or like hot dogs like even

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though they were beef. 
Good to go type hot dogs. 

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If I consumed a significant 
amount of like packaged meats, I

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would get a histamine reaction. 
Now I no longer get any of 

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those, but yeah, I did. 
I was extreme. 

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So I can relate to those 
clients. 

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Yeah, that's like next level, 
man. 

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I've only had two clients all 
the years I've been coaching 

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that have had that extreme 
hispan response. 

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But like when you go so far as 
to go Carnivore. 

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Like you have as they're, you 
know, removal of all the noise 

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from the equation. 
But then you have to take the 

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next level of being just 
incredibly mindful of where 

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you're sourcing it, because if 
it's age too long, you're gonna 

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have an increase in histamines 
there like that. 

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I can't even comprehend that, 
Like, that's just wild to me. 

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But the clients that have had 
that had to go that way. 

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I mean, like you just gain a 
whole new appreciation for what 

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quality food is. 
Oh no, absolutely. 

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And that is the cool thing too, 
man. 

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It's like. 
There's purpose and pain. 

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So I mean, and I can't, you 
know, speak for those clients, 

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but for myself, like this 
journey has made me 

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significantly grateful for where
I'm getting my food, the quality

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of food. 
You know, this animal had to die

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to be on my plate. 
And you know, I don't want to, I

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don't want to sound in any way, 
but like, I'm extremely grateful

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for that, so. 
There is a connection that I 

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didn't have before, that I now 
have because of what I went 

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through and many other things, 
right? 

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But it's just one of those 
things. 

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You can either look back and be 
like, oh, this is, you know, 

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crappy woes me, or you can be 
like, you know what, I'm 

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grateful that I get to eat this,
even though some may think it's 

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limited, but it's healing to me.
You know what I mean? 

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No, I think that's absolutely 
the right way to look at the way

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that everybody should look at it
like when. 

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I've worked with clients that 
have had some type of ailment, 

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even if it's something more 
known, like just diabetics for 

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instance. 
Like they don't have the ability

449
00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:51,380
to eat all this crap food and 
still function at a high level. 

450
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,460
So it's like they're that much 
more motivated to get things 

451
00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:57,580
dialed in if the everyday 
person, the general public that 

452
00:25:57,580 --> 00:26:01,420
didn't have these ailments, took
that type of, you know, priority

453
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:03,580
and focus towards eating their 
diet better. 

454
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:05,610
Or eating food better that they 
would. 

455
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:07,690
I mean, they would just be on a 
whole nother level, but because 

456
00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:09,810
they're able to kind of skate by
that, because it didn't have 

457
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:12,690
that profound negative impact 
wing on day-to-day, they just 

458
00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:17,410
simply sweep it under the rug. 
Yeah, it's like, how long will 

459
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:19,450
they actually skate by, though, 
You know what I mean? 

460
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:22,770
Because everyone gets not 
everyone, but a lot of people 

461
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:25,690
get a scary diagnosis and 
they're just like, how did this 

462
00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:27,810
happen? 
It's like if you would pull 

463
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:30,290
yourself out, you know, third 
party perspective, take a look 

464
00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:32,250
at your life. 
Do you really need to ask that 

465
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:35,530
question? 
Yeah. 100% man So what is the 

466
00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:37,010
typical day of eating look like 
for you Now? 

467
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:39,290
You're doing the just hardcore 
strict corner for you didn't 

468
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:42,490
mention the e-mail that you will
include coffee from this time to

469
00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:44,410
time, but you're pretty specific
on your coffee. 

470
00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:48,290
Yeah, so I, you know, I look 
into everything I put in my body

471
00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:51,090
now, especially because most of 
the stuff I do recommend, you 

472
00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:52,610
know what I mean? 
So I don't want to recommend 

473
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:56,170
something that I haven't done my
research on or I haven't 

474
00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:59,850
specifically taken myself. 
I'm just not that coach. 

475
00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:03,190
I'm not that guy. 
So yeah, I do have coffee. 

476
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:07,270
I like, like Life Boost. 
I've done Danger Coffee before 

477
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:10,230
from Dave Asbury. 
You know, I just really look for

478
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:16,550
like the the mold, free coffee, 
the regularly rigorously tested 

479
00:27:16,550 --> 00:27:20,590
coffee companies that kind of 
stand behind, you know, that 

480
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:23,030
stamp. 
Life with that one. 

481
00:27:23,790 --> 00:27:27,430
Life boost. 
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a 

482
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:30,310
quality coffee. 
I don't. 

483
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:33,690
Let's check them out. 
Like, yeah, they're good. 

484
00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:35,370
They're good to go and it's 
really good. 

485
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:38,290
Yeah, I've been. 
I cut coffee out for three 

486
00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:41,290
months and then I had like my 
first cup of coffee last weekend

487
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:43,490
after having three months for 
zero coffee. 

488
00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:46,610
And I don't know, I'm probably 
gonna bring coffee back in, but 

489
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:48,770
probably be a little more 
specific as to what coffee I 

490
00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:52,130
use. 
Yeah, and ultimately, like, it's

491
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:55,130
one of those things we're gonna 
here's here's what I started 

492
00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:58,930
asking and I think everyone 
needs to kind of just come to 

493
00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:01,590
grunts with this, like. 
You're going to die. 

494
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:04,310
It's going to happen. 
Do you want it to be when you're

495
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:06,270
8090, a hundred? 
Absolutely. 

496
00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:11,710
Everybody you know kind of 
wishes that, but the you need to

497
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:14,150
enjoy things in life. 
So the way I started looking at 

498
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:19,310
coffee is like it gave me a 
moment in time with my wife to 

499
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:21,990
spend. 
We do our devotions like that is

500
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:27,590
greater to me than any potential
danger that coffee could have 

501
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:30,550
from, you know, Oxlitz or 
anything like that, so. 

502
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,560
It just the moment weighed more 
than you know the potential. 

503
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240
You know, not good things, 
right? 

504
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Yeah, no, I think that's a 
really great perspective to 

505
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,680
have. 
And I think that's that holds 

506
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480
true with a lot of things within
the nutrition space and 

507
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,200
everybody's getting so, you 
know, dialed in, which is great,

508
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
but like ethics, like they're 
majoring in the minors and so 

509
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,080
many things and there's all this
fear mongering around. 

510
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,120
Every little thing, and I'm all 
for doing the best you can with 

511
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680
what you got. 
But like at the same time, if 

512
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,680
one of the highlights of your 
day is having a glass of wine 

513
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560
with your significant on the 
porch while you watch the sunset

514
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
or a cup of coffee with your 
wife in the morning as you plan 

515
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,200
the day Like. 
The benefits of that from like a

516
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
psychological and emotional 
standpoint are probably going to

517
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,120
significantly outweigh any of 
the physiological negatives for 

518
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,240
most people. 
No 100%, I completely agree. 

519
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,610
Completely agree. 
So apart from the coffee, what 

520
00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:32,690
what else is your diet typically
consists of on a day-to-day 

521
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:37,410
basis? 
Yeah, so you know, my big ones 

522
00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:41,130
are bacon, eggs, really any 
style. 

523
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:42,890
I've been on this hard boiled 
egg kick. 

524
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:47,330
My wife's been crushing the game
with those, so I've been having 

525
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:50,970
those. 
I do burgers, steak. 

526
00:29:51,650 --> 00:29:54,160
We bought a. 
Half cow and we actually have 

527
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,640
another one coming, just 
stocking up just in case. 

528
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,640
I'm kind of one of those not 
preppers, but I like to be ready

529
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,760
for all things, right? 
So that's, that's really it. 

530
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:14,920
I do take Paleo Valley Fish Row,
obviously because I don't 

531
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,200
consume a lot of fish. 
I live in Ohio. 

532
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840
We can't get a lot of quality 
fish. 

533
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,240
At least at our local groceries.
So I do the fish row brain 

534
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,880
benefits, right. 
And I've kind of determined that

535
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,680
is beneficial for me. 
Obviously like circulation type 

536
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,960
things too that I want from 
that. 

537
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,340
But yeah, like today I had. 
What, 6 or 8 eggs? 

538
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:49,100
And I had four Schweidensen 
burgers. 

539
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,340
I say that because they're 
extremely fatty. 

540
00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:57,340
I think if you eat four of them,
it's like 14 or 1600 calories. 

541
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:59,100
Man, they're dense. 
Schweidensen. 

542
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,860
Like, Is that like a strain of 
beef? 

543
00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:03,980
I've never heard of that. 
So it's a it's a company. 

544
00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:10,980
How do you spell that? 
SCHWEID and then just and Sons. 

545
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:16,150
Yeah, it's a company and their 
burgers are fatty, man. 

546
00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:19,390
That's why I like them, because 
I can only, you know, I can eat 

547
00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:22,390
four of them, plus some eggs. 
And I'm already at, you know, 

548
00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:25,110
2000 calories. 
How are you consuming all the 

549
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:27,270
oils get cooked out of the 
burgers when you cook them. 

550
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:30,990
Say that again, please. 
Are you grilling or you like 

551
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:35,990
putting them on a skillet? 
Yeah, so we have a black, black 

552
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:38,310
stone, black top, basically big,
big skillet. 

553
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:41,390
And that's how I grill them. 
And then do you just like try 

554
00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:44,430
and scoop all that fat that gets
cooked off and then drizzle that

555
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:47,910
back on top? 
Yeah, somewhat a little bit 

556
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:50,710
sometimes, you know, I may throw
some butter on there as well 

557
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:54,870
still. 
But yeah, and my meals generally

558
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:57,070
look like that. 
And maybe I'll throw in some 

559
00:31:57,070 --> 00:32:00,750
bacon or a steak, but generally 
they look like that I'm probably

560
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:08,350
consuming 3500 calories on a low
end and maybe 5000 higher end. 

561
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Nice. 
So you're taking in pretty good 

562
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
deal of food for sure. 
And what what's your activity 

563
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520
like now? 
I'm assuming you're back in the 

564
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,520
gym grounding it out there? 
Yeah. 

565
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,360
So like I said, I don't have to 
work out near as hard and I look

566
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,120
just as good. 
It's kind of crazy and that's 

567
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,880
one of the benefits of this 
diet, I do believe. 

568
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,160
But I probably work out. 
We'll just average it out at 

569
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,280
like 45 minutes. 
I've never been like a. 

570
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:44,490
A big rest set kind of guy. 
So I kind of have 3 workouts, 

571
00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:48,370
Group 3 workouts together and 
then go from one to the other 

572
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:51,250
and my only break will be when I
walk to something else. 

573
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:54,370
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty much the 
same way, man. 

574
00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:57,130
Like, I'm not one of these types
that sits on their phone for 5 

575
00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:58,730
minutes between sets, just not 
my jam. 

576
00:32:59,570 --> 00:33:03,330
No, it's that's boring and I'm 
in there to get something done 

577
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:06,850
and honestly, like, I got so 
much other stuff going on that. 

578
00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:10,790
If I take from it, or if I take 
from spending time with my wife,

579
00:33:10,790 --> 00:33:12,870
I'm like, what am I doing? 
Yeah, totally. 

580
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:16,430
Are you doing like a specific 
body part split or how do you 

581
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,150
have that structured? 
So that's kind of crazy. 

582
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:26,230
Recently I went to a functional 
pattern course. 

583
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:29,990
I guess I got certified. 
Because I wanted to see what it 

584
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:31,750
was all about, right? 
Because we have all these 

585
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:36,710
ailments, whether it be low 
back, maybe a shoulder wing, 

586
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:39,430
scapula or whatnot, tight 
hamstrings. 

587
00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:46,390
So I wanted to get to the 
healing side of that without 

588
00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:49,990
doing workouts that we're done 
in like a saginal plane, right? 

589
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:53,110
So just like your typical 
deadlift, squat bench, which. 

590
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:56,310
I've always believed in these, 
you know, my background was 

591
00:33:56,310 --> 00:34:00,670
football, military, so I've 
always, you know, competed in 

592
00:34:00,670 --> 00:34:02,150
some level, especially in the 
weight room. 

593
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:07,070
So I went to this course and we 
were doing a lot of rotational 

594
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:13,550
crossbody cable type workouts. 
It's very hard to explain, just 

595
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:19,190
kind of talking about it, but it
basically is based on running 

596
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:22,389
form, fighting form, full 
extension, inflection in areas 

597
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:26,050
that need it. 
And that's what I've been doing 

598
00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:30,010
for the past two weeks. 
And to be honest, like my body 

599
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:33,210
feels phenomenal. 
I don't know at this point, you 

600
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:36,730
know, if my squat or my bench 
has gone down or up, but like as

601
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:42,770
far as movement base, walking 
base or even jiu jitsu type, you

602
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:45,330
know, I've gotten better. 
So what does like a? 

603
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:48,250
Like if you're doing 3 exercises
in a given day, Like what? 

604
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:50,850
What would what today's exercise
look like by chance? 

605
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,440
OK, so I did, I did walking 
lunges. 

606
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,720
I did have a curl like barbell 
on my back, you know, like the 

607
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:08,880
ones that come on a rack. 
And I focused on a like running 

608
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,320
style movement. 
So I was twisting my hips, I was

609
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,280
leaning down like putting 
flexion, like hard flexion in my

610
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,560
spine, really focusing on the 
rotation of my hips, right. 

611
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,910
So. 
Again, it's hard to kind of 

612
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:27,910
explain everything, but maybe 
that gives you a a good 

613
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:30,950
explanation. 
So I would do that, and I would 

614
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:34,350
do that for, let's say 50 
meters. 

615
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:40,630
And then I would go into a 
kettlebell swing, but crossbody.

616
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:45,870
So I would pull it from one 
shoulder, swing it all the way 

617
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:50,490
across both my knees. 
And obviously still spinal 

618
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:53,130
extension, things like that. 
And then flip it back up. 

619
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:56,490
I would do that. 
And then let's see what else did

620
00:35:56,490 --> 00:36:01,370
I add in that I did a I don't 
know how to explain this. 

621
00:36:01,370 --> 00:36:07,850
Move it another kettlebell 
spinal rotation, movement 

622
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:11,770
basically where I just again 
fixed my position, held a 

623
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:14,810
kettlebell a straight out in 
front of me and then I just 

624
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:18,610
rotated, rotated. 
Keeping my arms straight, my 

625
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:24,570
back firm and like pushing the 
kettlebell to the left 

626
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:25,970
horizontally, if that makes 
sense. 

627
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:28,290
So like I wasn't like really 
swinging. 

628
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:31,970
I was using complete muscle 
contraction to move the 

629
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,010
kettlebell and then I would 
bring it down. 

630
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:38,650
I can't think of what that's 
called, but that that for 

631
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:40,490
instance, that would be like one
set, right? 

632
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:44,570
A lot of spinal rotation, a lot 
of of natural movement, but 

633
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:49,100
added with. 
Strength and posture. 

634
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,780
Correction. 
And you've been doing this. 

635
00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:52,420
Stop training for how long now, 
you said? 

636
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:57,820
Roughly like 2 weeks. 
And have you, I'm curious, man, 

637
00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:00,900
you guys like do like a squat or
deadlift or something just to 

638
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,260
see what the strength carries 
over? 

639
00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:07,860
Yeah, no, absolutely. 
I do know my grip, obviously, 

640
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:10,060
because I'm doing a lot of like 
kettle bell work, right? 

641
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:14,940
Or even may spell stuff. 
My grip is getting a lot 

642
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:19,490
stronger. 
So I will have to do that. 

643
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:25,130
I did do trap bar deadlift today
as well but on that I added a 

644
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:28,050
little spin. 
So if you think running form 

645
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:31,850
right like 11 arm should be 
extended in front of the body. 

646
00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:38,610
So I added a rotation where one 
of my arms would be in front of 

647
00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:42,130
my left foot right like I'm 
rotating the trap bar completely

648
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:46,080
and then I'll lift and rotate. 
And my left arm would then be in

649
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,480
front of my right leg, if that 
makes sense, right? 

650
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,080
So there's a rotation to that. 
Yeah. 

651
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:51,880
OK. 
I'm following you. 

652
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,680
Yeah. 
I would imagine there's a lot of

653
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,080
crossover between that and just 
like lifestyle stuff, like your 

654
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,520
ability to run up a mountain is 
probably better now. 

655
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Oh, for for sure. 
Just like plain old walking has 

656
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160
improved, right? 
Because I we would call it like 

657
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,470
swag, but. 
It goes back to that like nose 

658
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:19,270
over toes, like structural and 
muscular like support. 

659
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:20,950
That's kind of what it's based 
off of too. 

660
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,750
So everything has improved. 
Yeah, I have been doing a lot 

661
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:26,870
more mobility stuff myself. 
Like I've been doing that knees 

662
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:31,150
over toes ATG program for the 
past several months, trying to 

663
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:35,190
get more, I don't know, focusing
more so on the deflection 

664
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:37,350
component than just the 
extension component. 

665
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:40,630
And that's seems to be making a 
difference for sure, cuz I feel 

666
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:42,960
like a lot of. 
Any of the little nagging 

667
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,320
injuries I've gotten over the 
years have been because certain 

668
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,120
areas of my body are 
overpowering others and there 

669
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,680
just needs to be an overall 
balance. 

670
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,360
Yeah. 
So I was doing that for a little

671
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,000
while as well. 
You know, like the Jefferson 

672
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Curls, are you doing that stuff 
and where you're lunging and 

673
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,640
obviously you're extending the 
knee, Yeah, that that stuff is 

674
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,920
extremely beneficial, or at 
least I believe it is. 

675
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Are you still doing modeling 
too, or no? 

676
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:13,790
No. 
So I haven't picked that back 

677
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:15,830
up. 
There have been times where I'm 

678
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:17,670
like, man, I wanna kind of get 
back into this. 

679
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:24,430
But I will say I was hitting a 
point where modeling in my faith

680
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:28,070
were kind of colliding because I
was being asked to do things 

681
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:30,590
that I wasn't comfortable with. 
Gotcha. 

682
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:33,430
And risque modeling? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

683
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,590
That makes sense man. 
What's your normal go to style 

684
00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:40,790
of modeling? 
So. 

685
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:44,820
Most of the stuff I did just 
like photos, working with 

686
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:48,060
photographers, but I actually 
did get the opportunity to walk 

687
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:53,780
in the New York Fashion show 
when I was doing it. 

688
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:55,100
That was a pretty cool 
experience. 

689
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:57,180
Nice, nice. 
Yeah. 

690
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,500
I always, for whatever reason, 
when I was a kid, I always 

691
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,340
wanted to be a model, that man, 
it's so cool. 

692
00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:04,580
People get paid to, like, get 
their picture taken like that. 

693
00:40:04,580 --> 00:40:06,500
For whatever reason, that just 
made a lot of sense to me. 

694
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
But I don't think I've got the 
look for modeling. 

695
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
So instead I decided to just 
make my own apparel company and 

696
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,240
then I could model my own stuff 
and that would be my way to 

697
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,480
become a model. 
But there you go. 

698
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,600
I mean that that works out. 
You you dictate, then no one's 

699
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,480
telling you what to do. 
You know, I like that. 

700
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Exactly. 
And you still own the gym, 

701
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,240
right? 
Yes, we do. 

702
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,760
So talk to me about that, man. 
What is gym ownership like? 

703
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,440
What kind of gym is it? 
So it's kind of. 

704
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:37,690
Encompasses everything. 
It's not necessarily like a 

705
00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:40,250
CrossFit gym or anything like 
that. 

706
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:43,570
It's pretty much like a 
full-fledged facility. 

707
00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:47,290
You know what I mean? 
Hall of Heroes. 

708
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:49,250
Hall of Heroes, I'm gonna Google
it. 

709
00:40:49,850 --> 00:40:53,970
Yeah, so like I said, veteran 
owned gym. 

710
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:58,170
That's where you got the theme 
of it kind of mixes the veteran 

711
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:02,410
I deal with a little bit of a 
little bit of faith makes your 

712
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:04,250
clang and bang type gym, you 
know. 

713
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:09,610
Yeah, we've got cardio section 
free weights. 

714
00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:15,530
We got you know some some unique
style equipment like vertical 

715
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:20,290
leg presses, prime based 
equipment, we got some cool 

716
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:22,490
stuff. 
You had a big facility man. 

717
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:24,410
It's like good looking gym. 
Yeah. 

718
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:27,330
It's like 12,000 square feet. 
Nice. 

719
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:30,170
Nice is owning the gym. 
Well, how long have you had the 

720
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:34,580
gym? 
So we'll be coming up on six 

721
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:36,580
years in August. 
Nice. 

722
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:41,100
Has it been an overall positive 
for you both, like, you know, 

723
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:46,100
psychologically, financially, or
is it like owning a gym like 

724
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,900
this massive headache. 
I've heard both sides of the 

725
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:49,700
spectrum from people have had on
the podcast. 

726
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,260
Some people say it's amazing and
other people say this is the 

727
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,300
worst thing ever. 
Don't recommend it to anybody. 

728
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,180
So I guess we've kind of been. 
Both sides, right? 

729
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:08,820
We didn't take any money from 
the gym for really the first 

730
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:12,900
like five years of owning it. 
So just recently we started 

731
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,140
taking money from it because we 
were dumping it all back into 

732
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:18,980
the gym to get it paid off. 
We had the ability to do so 

733
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:21,620
because we were making money 
outside of it, right? 

734
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:28,220
So as far as financial gain, we 
didn't see a lot of money. 

735
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:33,090
That was directly paid to us. 
Now we do have the ability to 

736
00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:34,930
you know kind of pay off the 
gym. 

737
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:41,050
So it's going to be an an an 
asset like a very good asset, 

738
00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:42,850
right, to make any moves in the 
future. 

739
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:47,970
It's been a ministry. 
So that's been extremely 

740
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:50,330
beneficial. 
We've been able to help a lot of

741
00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:55,970
people, a lot of families and 
not to like to our horn by any 

742
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:57,970
means, but I think we've donated
like. 

743
00:42:58,470 --> 00:43:00,830
Three cars to people. 
It's just been kind of crazy. 

744
00:43:01,310 --> 00:43:04,910
It's awesome man. 
And I'm assuming like from a gym

745
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:07,750
standpoint, cuz like your gym, 
these based off of the the 

746
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:11,310
website is not like your 
traditional corporate gym like a

747
00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:13,750
Planet Fitness or Crunch Fitness
or LA Fitness. 

748
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:18,350
So like with all of those gyms 
popping up seeming like every 

749
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:21,830
corner now like how do you 
compete with them cuz they're 

750
00:43:21,830 --> 00:43:25,110
all having these massively low 
rock bottom prices because 

751
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:27,440
they're all corporate. 
And they just have the ability 

752
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,160
to do so. 
So you can't really compete with

753
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
them and stand as you got to 
kind of carve your own niche out

754
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,280
basically. 
Yeah. 

755
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,520
And that's kind of what we've 
done. 

756
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,200
And it's it's crazy that you say
that because I would probably 

757
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,080
say we literally have a Planet 
Fitness in our our same strip. 

758
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,960
Like I could probably hit it 
with a rock. 

759
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Yeah, and that they haven't 
taken too many members from you.

760
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,720
No, I mean they took some right,
but not our niche down members 

761
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,110
because. 
So I've always operated the gym 

762
00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:58,790
as you know you want to help her
people. 

763
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:00,350
So that's kind of what we all 
should do. 

764
00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:06,470
We want to serve people and then
I want to bring in people that 

765
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:07,990
want to be here. 
I don't want to just take your 

766
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:09,230
money if you're not going to 
show up. 

767
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:12,310
So that's kind of how we've 
always operated and you know 

768
00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:15,830
that brings like a community and
then obviously like word of 

769
00:44:15,830 --> 00:44:19,910
mouth people are like this is 
legit gym and our members, you 

770
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:24,430
know our members are the ones 
that come 3456 days a week. 

771
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,920
Yeah, No, that's what you want, 
man. 

772
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,400
I'm assuming the main like 
startup cost is the facility and

773
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,000
then just I guess you're, you 
know, having to buy all the 

774
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,920
equipment. 
So there's like a loan on all 

775
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,600
the equipment, cuz that stuff 
ain't cheap either. 

776
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,320
No. 
So yeah, we actually bought an 

777
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,600
existing or an existing and 
failing gyms what we did and 

778
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
yeah it wasn't, wasn't cheap 
and. 

779
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,340
Yeah, like I said, we're able to
pay it off this year. 

780
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:58,700
So I basically when I bought it,
I went in thinking, okay, if I 

781
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:03,220
had to kill myself working, 
would I be able to pay this loan

782
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:05,220
off? 
And I was like, but I think I 

783
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:07,500
could. 
So that's what ultimately, you 

784
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,300
know, I was like okay, let's 
pull this trigger. 

785
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:11,540
Nice. 
Yeah, I feel like. 

786
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:13,270
I don't know, man. 
Like, I've been. 

787
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:15,710
So I've got my own little 
facility here that was like our 

788
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:18,390
private little gym. 
But then I'll train in a few 

789
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:20,830
local gyms that one of my good 
friends that I work at was 

790
00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:21,990
sometime. 
He owns his own gym. 

791
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:26,150
It's like that old school, you 
know, like Gold's Gym, like an 

792
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:28,990
old school Gold's Gym. 
And there's just like a certain 

793
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:32,350
vibe that you get that you can't
get anything like a Planet 

794
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:36,670
Fitness or LA Fitness. 
So like in that environment, 

795
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:40,750
even if it sucks if you're 
working nonstop, putting in 17 

796
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:43,870
hour days. 
Like to be able to wake up, go 

797
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:49,430
to the gym, smell the chalk in 
the ear and the sweat and like, 

798
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:52,590
hear the weights clanking, but 
know that it's all yours. 

799
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:55,790
Like, it's easy to kind of get 
behind that and do whatever you 

800
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:58,350
got to do to make it work. 
No, absolutely. 

801
00:45:58,350 --> 00:46:01,430
Yeah. 
And I mean, yeah, the community,

802
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:05,310
the environment, dude, it's like
you just, you can't find it. 

803
00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:08,430
And nowadays even more so 
because everyone's kind of 

804
00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:11,280
staying in their homes or. 
They're doing all this stuff. 

805
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,360
So when you do walk in a place 
like that and you know you're 

806
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,800
you're talking to these people, 
you're getting involved in their

807
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,440
life and then now you're like 
let's go get it up. 

808
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,440
You know, it's it's it's really 
good. 100% man. 

809
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaking of that, you mentioned 
people stay in their homes. 

810
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,320
Like what in the world did y'all
do throughout the pandemic? 

811
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,720
So we did out of fear, I guess 
we did close down for I think 

812
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,880
two months and then outside of 
that we operated normal. 

813
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:43,470
Because a lot of cops in our 
community or like, we won't shut

814
00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:45,230
you down if anything comes down 
the pipeline. 

815
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:47,950
Because you know, our gym is 
where a lot of cops, military 

816
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:49,190
members, all these people come 
in. 

817
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:51,390
So I was like, all right, we're 
not getting shut down. 

818
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:54,630
And ultimately if I have to 
leave, I'll just leave the doors

819
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:57,070
unlocked and you guys still come
in here and get after it. 

820
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:59,910
Yeah, that's awesome, man. 
That's when you know you got 

821
00:46:59,910 --> 00:47:02,150
good patrons that, like if 
they're sticking up for you, 

822
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:04,670
they kind of, you know, on that 
front, like you have to worry 

823
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:07,270
about anything. 
Yeah, yeah, we have. 

824
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:10,170
Our our members, man, they're 
family and they're great. 

825
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:12,890
That's awesome, man. 
Very cool. 

826
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:16,290
So talking about this, are you 
still maybe not limited to say 

827
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:17,570
yet? 
Are you still kind of dabbing on

828
00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:19,090
the idea of making your own 
product as well? 

829
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:26,570
So it's something I I want to 
see obviously how hard it would 

830
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:30,290
be, you know, because I like to,
I like to dive in so many 

831
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:32,650
things, which sometimes is a 
very bad thing, right? 

832
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:40,300
But I just see an opportunity. 
And I just want to know kind of 

833
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,980
the ins and outs and then go 
from there. 

834
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,380
Yeah, that's really kind of 
where I'm at with it. 

835
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:48,780
Totally, man. 
Have you tried the brooks yet? 

836
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:50,300
Have I sent you some of those? 
I can't remember. 

837
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,780
If I Yes, we actually carry them
in our gym. 

838
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:54,460
Oh sweet. 
Very cool man. 

839
00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:59,540
Yeah, so carry them in the gym. 
And this is actually one thing I

840
00:47:59,540 --> 00:48:02,740
sent. 
Sent to you is when I got out of

841
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:06,860
the military, so me. 
And my, my partner, he's 

842
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:09,580
actually a Lieutenant Colonel 
still in the military, so he's 

843
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:10,980
pretty high up there in the 
Marine Corps. 

844
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:14,940
We came out and I was like, man,
we've got to do something about 

845
00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:16,820
these Amber Rees because they're
just garbage. 

846
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:20,820
Yeah, they're poisoning, you 
know, our, our people. 

847
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:26,260
I was like, we need to figure 
out how to create a sustainable 

848
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:28,700
meal replacement. 
That's just not awful. 

849
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:33,060
And that is what ultimately, you
know, obviously with this Ave. 

850
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,980
that I kind of find myself on 
was like, man. 

851
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,040
These bars are amazing. 
Heck yeah, man. 

852
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,040
Well, if there's, I mean if 
there's anything I can do to 

853
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,600
help facilitate that, man, let 
me know. 

854
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,040
We had the there was a study 
there on the bricks. 

855
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,600
I think I sent the link to that.
So they're shown from a from a 

856
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,200
study standpoint. 
We're kind of talking about the 

857
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,760
studies at the beginning of 
this, but maybe that'll make 

858
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,840
some people that have the powers
to be impressed, I don't know. 

859
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,130
But yeah man, I think. 
Because what we're doing right 

860
00:49:01,130 --> 00:49:02,890
now does not make sense. 
Like I haven't had an MRE in a 

861
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:06,130
long time, but last time I had 
an MRE like they're typical they

862
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:10,370
they have that like a packet of 
peanut butter packet of crackers

863
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:15,890
and then like some super heavy 
rice based or Carbladdin thing. 

864
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:19,130
But honestly not that much 
protein or quality dictary fat. 

865
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:21,650
Any of the fat that is in there 
is like some processed vegetable

866
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:22,690
fat. 
So it's. 

867
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:23,850
Like. 
Yeah. 

868
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:27,090
From a performance standpoint 
like if that's what we're giving

869
00:49:27,090 --> 00:49:29,450
our guys that are be, they're 
being asked to. 

870
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560
You know, hold the line and be 
optimized and fight to defend 

871
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,760
the country. 
Like I would not be want to be 

872
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,320
eating that shit on the 
frontline. 

873
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,000
No. 
And I mean, how long can you 

874
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,520
sustain it before it's like, you
know, we're losing, we're losing

875
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,680
effectiveness, right? 
Yeah, 100%. 

876
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,640
And yeah, the MREI mean they've 
probably got that dialed into my

877
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160
cost standpoint when they can 
produce those things at scale 

878
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,840
and it cost pains on the dollar,
but that's not an area that I 

879
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,120
would think is worthwhile to 
skimp on. 

880
00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:01,470
Regardless of the price like 
you, I mean, you're only as good

881
00:50:01,470 --> 00:50:05,510
as the fuel you're consuming. 
Not 100% a 100% agree. 

882
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:08,830
So yeah, man, if there's 
anything I can do to help in any

883
00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:12,190
way move that needle forward, by
all means, man, let me know, 

884
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:14,630
brother. 
Absolutely, I will. 

885
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:18,830
What I'll do is I'll contact 
him, see any avenues that he 

886
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:22,910
might think that he's connected,
and then I'll shoot it back over

887
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:24,150
to you. 
Well, let me. 

888
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:26,940
Shoot me a good shipping address
for him too, or I can send him 

889
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:28,380
to you and you can hook him up. 
But I'll. 

890
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:29,860
I'll get him whatever bricks he 
needs, man. 

891
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:32,620
Okay. 
For sure. 

892
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:34,260
What else is in the pipeline for
you, man? 

893
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:37,020
You get they get the potential 
products you're working on, you 

894
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:39,580
get the gym. 
What else is taking your time 

895
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:41,620
that you're all healthy and 
robust, man. 

896
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:44,020
You probably get all the energy 
to do everything in the world. 

897
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:50,860
Yeah. 
So man, yeah, I'm just, I guess 

898
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:54,500
I'm studying more because 
ultimately. 

899
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:58,950
And it's kind of in the works, I
guess from the gym. 

900
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:03,350
I think I'm going to open start 
a clinic where I am bringing the

901
00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:04,790
functional health side of 
things. 

902
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:11,150
You know, I want to get involved
in peptides and hyperbaric 

903
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:13,710
chamber type stuff. 
So I want to offer that to 

904
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:19,950
people because there's nowhere 
really close that does that 

905
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:23,900
where I'm where I'm from. 
And I just want to give people, 

906
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:26,900
you know, that hope that I found
with my chiropractor who 

907
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:30,700
actually, you know, there could 
be a potential partnership there

908
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:35,980
where, you know, people can come
say they get diagnosed with 

909
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:40,020
whatever, you know, autoimmune 
or cancer and they can come in, 

910
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:45,340
you know, and get a a plan to 
treat it naturally. 

911
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,900
You know, that's kind of what I 
envisioned there. 

912
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,930
Totally, man. 
So are you getting pretty 

913
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:53,090
regular adjustments from your 
chiropractor? 

914
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:58,410
So I do once a week still. 
And you notice a pretty profound

915
00:51:58,530 --> 00:52:03,250
positive impact there. 
Oh 100% And now adding in this 

916
00:52:03,610 --> 00:52:05,410
like functional pattern 
movement. 

917
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:09,530
It's insane. 
What kind of chiropractor are 

918
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:11,410
you using? 
Cuz I feel like I'm jaded 

919
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:13,890
against chiropractors but I feel
like I just because the ones 

920
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:16,210
I've gone to like I went to one 
that was upper cervical. 

921
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:22,340
So all they did was like tap the
very upper cervical with like a 

922
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:24,900
little bolt gun and that was 
literally the extent of it, 

923
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,020
which I would imagine is 
probably nuts what I needed. 

924
00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:31,260
Yeah, no. 
So mine is like Handson. 

925
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:34,380
He does, you know, manual 
manipulations. 

926
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:38,620
It's not a a tap style method. 
I know exactly what you're 

927
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:40,860
talking about. 
Little tap gun, Yeah, yeah, they

928
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:43,620
don't do that. 
I have to give. 

929
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:46,290
Another one, a good shot there. 
Are you doing anything else from

930
00:52:46,290 --> 00:52:48,530
like a like a mobility 
standpoint? 

931
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:51,090
You get the the, the movements 
with with the train that you're 

932
00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:52,490
doing differently. 
You've got the chiropractor. 

933
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:56,450
Are you doing like like like 
saunotherapy, cold plunge, 

934
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:59,850
cryotherapy, stuff like that? 
No. 

935
00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:06,770
However, I do plan to purchase a
cold plunge soon, and that would

936
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:09,250
also be in the in the clinic. 
But I do sit in front of a red 

937
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:11,680
light. 
I try to every morning, 

938
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,400
especially because in Ohio, you 
know, it's not always sunny. 

939
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,280
So at least I'm getting some 
type of light, a little, a 

940
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,720
little bit of the spectrum. 
But outside of that, no, I don't

941
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:24,440
stretch. 
I just the Cairo and the 

942
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,320
functional movement. 
Nice man. 26 books in so far 

943
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,400
this year. 
What are you reading right now? 

944
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,800
So I'm reading a book. 
It's called Understanding the 

945
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,280
Heart by Dr. Steven Hussey. 
He's a man who had a heart 

946
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,310
attack. 
Yeah, dude, it's a it's a great 

947
00:53:41,310 --> 00:53:44,910
book. 
I'm reading The Silver Chair, 

948
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:48,430
which is a Chronicles of Narnia 
book, so I'm trying to finish 

949
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:53,070
the whole series on that. 
I'm reading business made simple

950
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:58,550
couple devotionals and then I 
try to read a little bit of the 

951
00:53:58,550 --> 00:54:01,790
Bible every day as well. 
Do you typically read in the 

952
00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:02,790
morning? 
In the evening? 

953
00:54:02,830 --> 00:54:04,670
Throughout the day? 
When's your go to reading time? 

954
00:54:06,830 --> 00:54:11,810
In the morning and at night. 
Nice. 

955
00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:15,330
Yeah. 
I'm A at the different times in 

956
00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:17,410
my life, I'm a more voracious 
reader than others. 

957
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:20,330
I feel like I've been just stuck
on audio books lately, so I'd 

958
00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:23,250
been listening to audio books a 
lot while driving, which I do 

959
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:26,250
like much more so than listen to
music while driving. 

960
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:30,130
But I definitely feel like you 
can't replace the benefit that 

961
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:32,610
comes from just reading an 
oldfashioned book. 

962
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:37,810
No, I completely agree. 
And there's something like I've 

963
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:39,780
got a. 
A bookshelf, man. 

964
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:41,420
I've never really had anything 
like that. 

965
00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:44,740
So I'm really like, I don't 
know, connected to my books, 

966
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:46,460
right? 
And I like looking back and 

967
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:48,660
being over, like, let me read 
that again, see what I need to 

968
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:50,900
pick up, do. 
You journal at all or no? 

969
00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:55,420
So I've gone through periods of 
journaling when I was really 

970
00:54:55,420 --> 00:55:01,700
sick, I I tried to do. 
So I do write things, you know, 

971
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:05,500
like I have two, let's call it 
planners. 

972
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:08,000
So where I'm writing like. 
Gratitude. 

973
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,800
Daily affirmations. 
Like what would make today 

974
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,360
great? 
What did I learn today? 

975
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,200
Highlights of the day, Stuff 
like that. 

976
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,560
I I asked because I've never 
really been one for journaling 

977
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,640
either. 
But I've had a few moments in my

978
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,920
life where I actually have been 
consistent with it, and my 

979
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,280
nighttime reading routine right 
now has been rereading some of 

980
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,600
my 2017 journal, which is when I
started the business. 

981
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:35,830
Was doing my first ketogenic 
competition prep and was just 

982
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:40,070
like broke out of my mind. 
So just like not in a good place

983
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:43,790
financially at all, but reading 
that and it's also when I 

984
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:46,670
started dating. 
Crystal is my wife now and all 

985
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:50,110
the strategies that we were 
going through, so like reading a

986
00:55:50,110 --> 00:55:52,630
journal, like a lot of people 
journal real time because 

987
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:53,950
they're trying to plan out their
day. 

988
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:56,430
But I feel like the main benefit
for me, at least with 

989
00:55:56,430 --> 00:56:01,430
journaling, is to go back and 
read where I've come from. 

990
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:05,180
To just solidify that I'm on the
right trajectory in life based 

991
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:08,260
off of where I am now and I feel
like that is super valuable. 

992
00:56:08,820 --> 00:56:11,020
Oh, absolutely. 
You're basically talking about 

993
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:12,940
being grateful, man, You know 
what I mean? 

994
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:16,140
100 percent, 100%. 
So yeah, I'm trying to trying to

995
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:20,180
make that more of a consistent 
habit for sure for. 

996
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:22,720
Sure love that. 
I love it, man. 

997
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,040
Well, Trevor, you are an 
interesting guy. 

998
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,200
You've got all kinds of cool 
things in the in the works. 

999
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,840
I appreciate how far you've 
come. 

1000
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,480
I'm excited for how far you've 
come. 

1001
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,080
I mean, shoot, getting getting 
your health back and not feeling

1002
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,800
debilitated, not being on the 
brink of death, like having that

1003
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,960
perspective. 
It just opens doors to like like

1004
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,800
you'll never have to wonder what
would you do if you felt like 

1005
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,600
you had tomorrow. 
Because now you've got tomorrow.

1006
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,640
Amen, Sir. 
That's that's the truth. 

1007
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,070
Yeah, it's wonderful thing. 
Amen to that. 

1008
00:56:52,310 --> 00:56:53,830
Where do people go to find out 
more about you, man? 

1009
00:56:53,830 --> 00:56:57,910
Dive a little deeper. 
So I'm really just active on my 

1010
00:56:57,910 --> 00:57:01,030
Instagram. 
I don't know if I'm gonna kind 

1011
00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:04,390
of kick anything else off cuz I 
like, you know, my space too. 

1012
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:08,030
I like to put stuff out there, 
but it's just Trevor Lee 89 is 

1013
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:09,910
where you can find me. 
Awesome. 

1014
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:11,310
Well, we'll definitely get to 
that. 

1015
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:12,590
Make it easy for people to find 
you. 

1016
00:57:13,110 --> 00:57:14,790
Yes, on a podcast, man. 
Like, I know you want your 

1017
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:17,510
privacy, but I could totally see
you rock in the podcast world. 

1018
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:21,620
I thought about it, man. 
And, and maybe I will. 

1019
00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:25,780
So who knows? 
Gonna like have a podcast studio

1020
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:29,420
like in the office of the gym 
and then just bring in cool gym 

1021
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:31,900
patrons, especially since a lot 
of them are veterans. 

1022
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:34,500
And then just like pick their 
brain and they can be like super

1023
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,380
short 10 minute episodes. 
But like that would be not too 

1024
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:40,220
much of A time commitment from 
you or them. 

1025
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:44,260
But that would be a really cool,
you know list of conversations 

1026
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:45,980
that I think, I mean I would 
certainly won't listen to it 

1027
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:48,100
anyways. 
Yeah, that would be cool. 

1028
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:49,700
That's a really good idea. 
Yeah. 

1029
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:51,890
Well shoot, man. 
Trevor, if there's anything I 

1030
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:54,090
could ever do for your brother, 
by all means hit me up, Let me 

1031
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:55,410
know. 
Happy to help with anything, 

1032
00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:57,770
anytime. 
And keep in touch, ma'am. 

1033
00:57:58,570 --> 00:58:00,650
Absolutely. 
I appreciate you greatly and I 

1034
00:58:00,650 --> 00:58:01,930
would extend the same thing to 
you. 

1035
00:58:02,290 --> 00:58:03,890
Yes indeed. 
Take care Trevor. 

1036
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:05,250
Take care all. 
Right. 

1037
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:05,730
See you, brother.