1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,080 We are never educated on our pelvic floor. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,360 The only thing we hear about this part of our body is like 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,800 you have a vagina and it's like for sex, which is not just the 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,800 case. Way that Western medicine is 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,680 designed right now is that we have a doctor for a body part. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,040 We have a bladder Dr. a colon a colon doctor, a, you know, 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,920 uterus Dr. But your pelvic floor muscles are affiliated with all 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,520 of those different organs and systems. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,080 Often with pelvic floor issues, something's happening like leaks 10 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:29,280 with urine, even like deep back pain or deep hip pain. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,240 That's just not relieved with stretching. 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,280 Any sexual dysfunction, pooping issues like Constipation, 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,880 fissures, hemorrhoids, you know, any of these things that are 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,640 kind of going on in the pelvic arena. 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Your pelvic floor muscles are likely responsible, but we don't 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,840 think about muscles in this arena. 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,120 But muscles are either weak or they're too tense, right? 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Just like every other muscle in your body. 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,760 It's the same thing for your pelvic floor. 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,080 You can have tension and it needs to be relaxed, or you can 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,080 have weakness and it needs to be strengthened. 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,320 And we are live Doctor Sarah Reardon, how are you today? 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,680 I'm doing great, Robert. Thanks for having me. 24 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Hey, I'm excited to be chatting with you. 25 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,160 So I, every day we have a morning meeting with my 26 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,520 employees and I'm going through my list, my call list for the 27 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,600 day. I'm like at 2:00 I've got a 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,760 podcast with the Vagina Whisperer and that just kind of 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,160 like stopped them on their tracks. 30 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,920 They all kind of like raise their eyebrows and wanted to 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,040 know more. So I, I got to hand it to you, 32 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,800 you've got a pretty crafty tag line for your username. 33 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,240 I mean, that's definitely a conversation starter for sure. 34 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,080 You know, it is, and I wish I could take credit for it. 35 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,040 This was a name that my friends gave me almost 15 years ago when 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,360 I was first practicing. It's a pelvic floor physical 37 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,320 therapist and I ended up talking to their moms about their pelvic 38 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:41,200 floor issues. And now, you know, we've all had 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,760 babies and we're in perimenopause. 40 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,120 So I'm like their pocket vagina whisper. 41 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,000 But it's it is a very catchy name, but I think it's actually 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,960 kind of, you know, very on brand for me because I'm really 43 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,760 comfortable and outspoken talking about the pelvic floor, 44 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,880 talking about Volver and vaginal health and just, you know, 45 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,040 really bringing this into the spotlight because I think it's 46 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,680 an under addressed part of Women's Health. 47 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,400 Yeah, let's talk about that and we'll talk about all kinds of 48 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 things on this recording today. But when it comes to just 49 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,840 conversations in general, like I get frustrated, my listenership 50 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,440 gets frustrated with just a lot of the ignorance around health, 51 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 fitness, Wellness, nutrition, especially from Western medicine 52 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,160 doctors. Like they just don't have much 53 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,040 information out there. Like you have to kind of go and 54 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,400 dig forward on your own. Yes. 55 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Why do you think there's just not much information, you know, 56 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,320 low hanging fruit around that topic? 57 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,960 Like why is that an uncertainty that people have to go to Google 58 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,120 to find out? You know, I think that we are 59 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,000 never educated on our pelvic floors. 60 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,080 You know, when we are young, we maybe we get potty training you 61 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,160 when you are a young woman, you maybe get a little bit of period 62 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,400 education, which is like maybe a book and reading the box, you 63 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,400 know, of tampons and how to use them, maybe sex Ed depending on 64 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,880 where you live and what school you go to. 65 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,480 But we're never educated about our pelvic floor. 66 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,400 And the only thing we hear about this part of our body is like, 67 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,840 you have a vagina and it's like for sex, which is not just the 68 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,000 case. And that we shouldn't talk about 69 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,160 it. It's taboo, it's dirty, it's 70 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 inappropriate, but we don't talk about the healthcare aspect of 71 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,920 it. So I think 1 of it is just kind 72 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,960 of societal norms that this is an off limits topic. 73 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,120 And the other part is, as you mentioned, the way that Western 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,840 medicine is designed right now is that we have a doctor for a 75 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,800 body part. We have a bladder Dr. a colon, a 76 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,920 colon doctor, a, you know, uterus Dr. But your pelvic floor 77 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:28,920 muscles are affiliated with all of those different organs and 78 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,960 systems, yet we don't have anyone looking at those until 79 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,640 they get to a pelvic floor therapist. 80 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,640 So it's just a really missed aspect of healthcare. 81 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,920 And I think that, you know, I've been been working hard, I've 82 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,000 been in this field for 18 years. And to really see the awareness 83 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,360 of Help for Health increase over the past five years with social 84 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 media and, you know, online platforms, it's, it's necessary 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 because it's long overdue that we start paying attention to 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,520 this part of our bodies. Totally agree, and out of 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,240 curiosity, like this is never a topic that is discussed in male 88 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,240 circles but I mean men have a pelvic floor too, it's just a 89 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,440 muscle group around that region so why is it never discussed 90 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,720 amongst guys? You know, you're absolutely 91 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,960 right. Males also have a pelvic floor. 92 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,000 All genders have a pelvic floor and a lot of men have pelvic 93 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,959 floor issues. I think one of the reasons is, 94 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,000 you know, we go to annual gynecological visits as women 95 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,880 starting at the age of 18. And men don't typically have 96 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,920 that. They may be check in with a 97 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,280 primary care doctor and then get referred to a urologist or 98 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,360 someone else if needed. But we kind of have that 99 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,840 additional layer of care for our reproductive organs. 100 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,000 And also women go through changes like periods and 101 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,840 pregnancy and childbirth and then menopause where those are 102 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,600 risk factors for developing pelvic floor issues. 103 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,080 And we maybe get a little bit more attention of those issues 104 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,680 arising. But for men, it's just like 105 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,480 there's no opportunity for discussion. 106 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,960 And you know, women talk, we talk about everything. 107 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,120 And so I think that that's just kind of a missed conversation 108 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,640 topic for men too, because again, I don't know if there's 109 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,480 a, you know, a disconnect with comfort level or with muscles or 110 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,280 with doctors, but it's, you know, very prevalent that men 111 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:14,560 have pelvic floor issues. They just don't get addressed 112 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,480 either. Yeah, it's interesting. 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,120 Yeah. I mean, the bodybuilding space, 114 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,800 it's like you got to be able to know how to flex and make use of 115 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,480 every single muscle region you got. 116 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,560 So like, to me it just kind of made sense. 117 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,640 But I guess kind of talking about pelvic floor within guys 118 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,320 circles is against bro code for societal standards. 119 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,240 I don't. Know and I'm kind of with you so 120 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,680 I mean I do think it's a little bit of brocode I'll go with it 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,720 because you said it you know, but I think that this part of 122 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,080 our bodies often hidden and what we see on the outside is very 123 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,360 visible. We don't see this part of our 124 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,640 bodies. It's, you know, literally 125 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,040 labeled private parts. But I think that it's easy to 126 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,960 kind of brush off these issues. They're often embarrassing. 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,840 I would say men can experience bladder issues like, you know, 128 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,560 difficulty emptying their urine stream, a slow stream, a weak 129 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,280 stream dribbling after pain. They can have rectal pain, 130 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,120 tailbone pain, you know, painful bowel movements. 131 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,000 But it's actually not until I think men start experiencing 132 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,080 sexual symptoms like erectile dysfunction, premature 133 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,400 ejaculation, difficulty maintaining erections. 134 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,600 That's when I see them really coming into physical therapy to 135 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,600 get their issues addressed. So it's got to kind of start 136 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,440 affecting the sexual piece where they're like, OK, now I need to 137 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,160 get help. Gotcha gotcha. 138 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,480 So men typically just think with their penis and once that's 139 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,200 impacted then it becomes a priority. 140 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,840 I didn't say that, but I mean, maybe it's. 141 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Probably the case. Probably the case. 142 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,400 What gets you into this field of study in the 1st place? 143 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Like what? What made you interested in 144 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,520 diving down this path and and taking the one step further and 145 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,920 helping others? You know, I've always been an 146 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,720 active person. I went to physical therapy 147 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,160 school thinking I was going to be a sports PT. 148 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,280 But during grad school I had a professor who was gave us a few 149 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:54,160 weeks of lecture on what was called Women's Health. 150 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,320 It's now called pelvic health. And I think as a woman, I just 151 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,000 was really fascinated learning about my own body. 152 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,280 Like, oh, I didn't know that there are muscles that help us 153 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,880 pee or that, you know, tight muscles can cause painful sex or 154 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,640 straining with pooping is bad. There were just so many kind of 155 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,600 light bulbs going off that were like, oh, these are muscles, but 156 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,520 nobody talks about them. And then when I started working 157 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,800 with patients in the pelvic floor therapy space, I felt like 158 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,480 this is this is the therapy that's so important. 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,720 You're helping people, all genders, with really intimate, 160 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,480 embarrassing issues that affect their quality of life. 161 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,480 And they had no idea there was help for that. 162 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 You know, when you get an ACL tear or shoulder injury, like, 163 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,640 you know, you can go to rehab and go to therapy. 164 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,720 And it's hard, but it's kind of normal. 165 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,640 This type of therapy nobody even was aware of. 166 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,680 And so they were so grateful when they were able to have 167 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,560 enjoyable sex that wasn't painful or, you know, run again 168 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,080 after they had stopped because of leaking. 169 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,920 Just the rewards were so big for them that I was like, oh, this 170 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,640 is amazing. And I love helping other women 171 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,560 and people understand their bodies better too. 172 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,840 Gotcha, gotcha. So someone's listening, what are 173 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,400 some like super actionable takeaways? 174 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Like what are some things they need to be on the lookout for of 175 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,680 like, OK, this is occurring in me personally so I may have a 176 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,080 problem or an issue here. What steps should I take to 177 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,520 correct course? Like what are some just 178 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,040 actionable, you know, low hanging fruit takeaways that 179 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,880 they can just take and run with? You know, I start the book 180 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,480 floored. It's called A Woman's Guide to 181 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Pelvic Floor Health at every age and stage. 182 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,600 But it's really, I think for anyone with a pelvic floor, 183 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,680 which is everyone, because, you know, it goes over the basics of 184 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,760 like, what is our normal? Like, how often are you supposed 185 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,520 to pee? What's the proper way to poop? 186 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,679 What happens to our muscles when we have sex? 187 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,960 And so it's just the education. We never got to understand this 188 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,760 part of our body. And often with pelvic floor 189 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,640 issues, if you don't have to think about your pelvic floor, 190 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,440 then you're probably fine. But if something's happening 191 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,800 like leaks with your, you know, urine leaks with exercise or 192 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,840 coughing or sneezing or even like deep back pain or deep hip 193 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,120 pain that's just not relieved with stretching. 194 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Any sexual dysfunction, whether it's painful sex, decrease 195 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,400 sensation with sex, inability to have orgasms, pooping issues 196 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,760 like Constipation, fissures, hemorrhoids, you know, any of 197 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,200 these things that are kind of going on in the pelvic arena, 198 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,360 your muscles play a role. And so even if you had an 199 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,120 infection and it's gone, but then you still have symptoms in 200 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,560 the area, your pelvic floor muscles are likely responsible. 201 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,560 So I always say the little hanging fruit is like, if you 202 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:27,320 feel like something's going on, something's going on, and you 203 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 should check in with a therapist to get your muscles evaluated 204 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,080 because you know, over 50% of people have pelvic floor issues 205 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,120 and they're just going unaddressed because they don't 206 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,520 know that there's help for them. What what are the like when it 207 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,920 comes to, it's going to be probably highly individualized, 208 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,600 but when it comes to issues with the public floor, is it 209 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,200 oftentimes more so an issue of, you know, underdeveloped muscles 210 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 there or not having the proper mind muscle connection? 211 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Or is it something totally different 'cause like when I 212 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,920 think of that, it's like it's almost like breathing, like 213 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,280 breathing requires muscles, but you don't really have to think 214 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,040 about it just happens naturally. You are so right. 215 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,600 And actually your pelvic lower muscles contract and relax with 216 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,560 every breath that you take. So they're working all 217 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,920 throughout the day to keep in, you know, urine and bowel 218 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,720 movements until you have to go to help with breathing, 219 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,920 supporting your pelvic organs like your bladder, your uterus, 220 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,280 your bowels, your prostate. So it's working for you. 221 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,760 But again, it's not until you have a problem that you are 222 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,600 like, huh, something feels off or something's not right. 223 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,960 So I think that again, some of the specific issues I mentioned 224 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,320 like peeing and pooping problems, sexual problems, 225 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,520 pelvic organ prolapse and women. So I but we don't think about 226 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,360 muscles in this arena. But muscles are either weak or 227 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,280 they're to tense, right? Just like every other muscle in 228 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,880 your body. You can have weak core muscles 229 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,200 and then you strengthen them and it helps your back pain. 230 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Or you can have tight neck muscles that are causing you 231 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,200 headaches and migraines and you relieve the tension and change 232 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,720 your posture and then it gets better. 233 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,960 It's the same thing for your pelvic floor. 234 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,240 You can have tension and it needs to be relaxed or you can 235 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,240 have weakness and it needs to be strengthened. 236 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,480 But I think the narrative for pelvic floor health has always 237 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,520 been strengthened. Like you have pain strengthened, 238 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,960 you have leakage strengthen, you know, but a lot of people have 239 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,040 that tension where they actually need to not do kegels and not 240 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,440 strengthen and they need to work on relaxation. 241 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,720 So it really depends on which pathway you need to walk down. 242 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,120 And I go over this in the book of like how to check yourself, 243 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,480 what are the symptoms you should have to help guide you down? 244 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,120 You need strengthening or you need relaxation. 245 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:32,960 Gotcha. Gotcha. 246 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,720 So when it comes to the strengthening, that's pretty 247 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,320 much like everybody kind of gravitates towards Kegels as 248 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,760 like the quintessential movement for strengthening, right? 249 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,680 Kegels and I also, like, you know, we've for decades been 250 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,200 sucking in our cores. Pull your belly button towards 251 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,360 your spine, you know, tighten everything up. 252 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,640 And a lot of the workouts we do are so tightening, tightening, 253 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,360 tightening, focused, but we're not balancing that with 254 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,040 relaxation. So even if it's not just kegels, 255 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,400 like everything we're doing is to like build muscle, but we're 256 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,920 not building relaxation, flexibility, coordination. 257 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,880 So it's a little bit of balance that I think we need to these 258 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,600 muscles. So yeah, obviously it's not just 259 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,840 kegels and it is kind of making sure that your muscles are at 260 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,800 rest, a nice relaxed state, and then you can contract them but 261 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,440 also relax them. And I think even if you think 262 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,880 about workouts that a lot of your community do, you know, 263 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,520 does or even yourself, it's that everything is tight. 264 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,560 Like we're lifting weights, we're shortening muscles, we're 265 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:30,360 pulling in our belly buttons, but we're never focused on that 266 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,080 letting go aspect, which I think is a mist component. 267 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,920 Is there like just from like a structural positioning, you 268 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,720 know, sentiment? Is there like certain positions 269 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,480 that we find ourselves in all day long that are just 270 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,600 horrendous for pelvic floor health and relaxation? 271 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,160 And some that are better than others? 272 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Like when when I think of myself just sitting in an office chair 273 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,560 for a large percentage of the day, working on a computer, like 274 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,560 my shoulders and traps get really tight. 275 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,560 So like, that's obviously not conducive to relaxing vent. 276 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,680 Is there like an equivalent for pelvic floor muscle? 277 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,840 Yeah, I always say sitting is the new smoking, you know, just 278 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,120 like what it does to your neck and shoulders, it does the same 279 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240 thing to your pelvic floor. Your pelvic floor needs movement 280 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,520 and needs mobility and needs changes. 281 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,200 People always say like, what's the best posture for my pelvic 282 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,120 form? Like the next one that you're in 283 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,000 because you don't want to stand all day, but you also don't want 284 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,880 to sit all day. So I think, you know, moving 285 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,280 positions, getting up and moving every 30 minutes is really 286 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,800 important. If you are a person who finds 287 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 yourself clenching your butt a lot, you know, literally like a 288 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,440 tight ass. You know, we'll find people when 289 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,000 they're stressed or they're in Zoom meetings or they're sitting 290 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,880 in traffic, they're tightening their tush and that tightens 291 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,520 their pelvic floor. Another one is crossing your 292 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,000 legs. A lot of individuals kind of 293 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,120 wrap their legs up like pretzels or roll their thighs inward and 294 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,280 their feet are out and that turns on your pelvic floor, 295 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,480 which again, these aren't terrible, but they can overtime 296 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,800 lead to more tension and more over activity in the muscles. 297 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 So and I always say, like you could do stretches and breathing 298 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,360 until the cows come home, but if you're sitting at a desk with 299 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,880 your butt clenched all day, your pelvic floor is going to stay 300 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,000 overly tight and tense and you need to change that posture. 301 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:11,880 Gotcha, that makes sense. Are you familiar with the the so 302 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,360 right so as stretcher like is that conducive to relaxing the 303 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,760 pelvic floor muscle? Yeah. 304 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,320 Is that the one the device where it kind of like goes, you can 305 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,760 adjust it, but it goes like on the inside of your hip bones and 306 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,840 kind of digs deep into your SO as? 307 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Yeah, it's like AU and you just basically put weight on that U 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,920 going into the other side of the pelvis. 309 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,280 It's kind of painful, but it feels on the feels great. 310 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Yeah, I am familiar with it. I actually use it after playing 311 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,480 tennis with a friend one day and I think it's great. 312 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,280 It's one of those things that I, it's hard to get to that muscle. 313 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,920 So releasing that muscle can be really nice. 314 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,840 You know, 36 muscles attached to your pelvis and you're so as 315 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,080 muscles are part of that, your hip flexors. 316 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,800 So I think it's really important to look at all of those outside 317 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,000 muscles, your so as muscles, your rectus abdominal muscles, 318 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,680 your adductors, your glutes, you know, your low back muscles. 319 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:01,800 Again, what we're looking for is balance. 320 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,520 So if you have really short hip flexors like your so as you 321 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,560 probably have really short hamstrings, so you get kind of 322 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,320 these wonky imbalances in the pelvis that also lead to pelvic 323 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,520 floor tension and imbalances. So I love working on the so as 324 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,960 like that. I really think about it like 325 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,880 peeling layers of an onion, like you've got to work the outside 326 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,720 first, the so as the glutes, the adductors release tension, 327 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,280 balance those muscles and that will actually kind of help 328 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,680 release some of the internal muscles as well. 329 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,280 Yeah, 100%. It's interesting. 330 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,120 My, my wife, she's like due any day now with her second son. 331 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,280 So we're, you know, we're going to the midwife every single 332 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,480 week. We're doing everything as 333 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,720 naturally as possible. We do all these like exercises 334 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,120 daily, all these stretches, like all this stuff, like she's deep, 335 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,720 deep in the week. I love it, I love it. 336 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,240 Yeah, so we're we're on we're on that page, that chapter. 337 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,800 But, you know, in not wanting to, you know, use anything like 338 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,120 an epidural and nothing. It's people that take the 339 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,480 epidural route. But like from a natural birth 340 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 standpoint, you know, if you're taking an epidural, you're 341 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,840 obviously losing a lot of the mind muscle connection towards 342 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,000 everything going on down there to be able to effectively and 343 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,560 safely push out a baby and listen and feel for what the 344 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,800 baby's trying to tell you as it's moving through the birth 345 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,840 canal. But I feel like in listening to 346 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,200 all these conversations with the duelers and the midwives and all 347 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,040 that, Crystal, my wife's are telling me how the podcast that 348 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,560 we've listened to, it's like the more you can have that mind 349 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,520 muscle connection, especially with something like your pelvic 350 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,080 floor muscle, the the increased likelihood of you having a 351 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,560 healthy, safe birth, which is obviously the priority at that 352 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 chapter in life. So yeah, I feel like this is 353 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,280 just stuff that people take for granted until it's like do or 354 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 die time. But it should be time of the 355 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,840 period, time of the pinnacle of the priority list. 356 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,200 You are so right. And that was actually one of the 357 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,760 reasons I started my Instagram account, The Vagina Whisperer. 358 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,600 As I was pregnant with my second son. 359 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,840 I had already had an unmedicated birth. 360 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,960 I had done pelvic floor therapy during my birth, I mean during 361 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,360 my pregnancy and had actually an incredible birth. 362 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,280 I had no tearing. I didn't use pain management and 363 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,760 and it wasn't that I was like, oh, I'm this strong here. 364 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,280 I was like, no, I was in pain and I was begging for those 365 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,720 drugs, but it was too late. But what I realized was that 366 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,040 with proper preparation and support, that you have a chance 367 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,760 at a better outcome versus I feel like if you just kind of 368 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,720 follow the protocol that's given to you, there's, you know, it's 369 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,000 always looking out for the safety of baby and mom. 370 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,440 But what I see after those experiences is women and moms 371 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,080 who often feel like they weren't in control, traumatized from 372 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,440 birth, haven't gone through really difficult and long 373 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,840 laborers, and then sometimes ending up with a cesarean 374 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,640 section or pelvic floor damage and trauma that they were like, 375 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,320 could I have done something different? 376 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,680 And so we were always kind of looking backwards instead of 377 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,080 saying, like, what can we do differently moving forwards? 378 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,880 Let's think about the people who are having births that are less 379 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,640 traumatic, have less pelvic floor damage. 380 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Like, what are they doing that's leading to better outcomes? 381 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,840 And that's really where I started the Vagina Whisperer. 382 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,240 And I'm much, you know, I'm very open. 383 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Whatever type of birth you have, like I will support you 100% 384 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,360 before and after. My goal is to really empower 385 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:12,520 women and whatever options that they want to choose. 386 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,160 But I, I don't think that during birth, we often feel like we 387 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,680 have options. You know, unless you're like 388 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,720 your wife who's doing a lot of preparation or myself who kind 389 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,040 of knew a lot and was like, OK, how am I best going to implement 390 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,280 the people and the procedures that can give me the best 391 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,280 outcome? So I think that you're, I'm kind 392 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,360 of in the camp of less is more when it comes to birth and not a 393 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:37,920 lot of physicians agree with me on that, but it does lead to 394 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,480 some better pelvic floor outcomes. 395 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,720 But we're just not in a society, a medical system that is looking 396 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,400 at everything. Sometimes the aftermath, it's 397 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,960 really just kind of very medical interventions to optimize 398 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,480 safety, which is again is important. 399 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,200 But I do think that it's we kind of need to move a little bit 400 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 more towards the middle versus like over medicalizing birth. 401 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,680 Yeah, it's a shoot. We could have a whole 402 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,920 conversation on this. Topic and it's a, it's a touchy 403 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,840 topic too. It's a touchy 1. 404 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,120 So, but I'm, I, I agree with y'all. 405 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,400 I, I just think more than anything, I want women to feel 406 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,720 informed and that they have the ability to make choices. 407 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480 And then birth is going to go where it's going to go versus 408 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,760 feeling like everything's being done to them and they're just a 409 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,440 passenger in the process. Yeah, 100%. 410 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,760 I feel like, I mean, and this is kind of what I was alluding to 411 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,680 in the very beginning of like there's just not much 412 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,920 information out there and people are ignorant because unless 413 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,600 they're naturally minded, I mean, I feel very blessed 414 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,960 because I went down the nutrition rabbit hole early on. 415 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,920 When you start going down 1 rabbit hole, it just leads to 416 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,640 the next. But when it comes to like birth, 417 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,320 like unless you know somebody that has had a home birth or 418 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,520 done things naturally, or you heard it on a podcast, you 419 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,360 started diving down that trajectory. 420 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,240 Like it's just not even discussed, not even talked 421 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,880 about. When you just find out that 422 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,760 you're pregnant, you go to your, you know, primary care and you 423 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,200 just go through the motions because that's not on their lips 424 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,480 at all. But there's so much that women 425 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,240 can do proactively leading up to the birth to set themselves up 426 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,440 for success, minimize risk of tearing, you know, have a a 427 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,880 faster, more efficient recovery postpartum. 428 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,200 Yeah, again, it's just totally not even part of the 429 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,560 conversation, which is very unfortunate. 430 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,680 Same thing with birth control too. 431 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,880 Like birth control is there's just so many things that are not 432 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,640 spoken of, which is unfortunate. Yeah, You know, I think with 433 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,720 birth itself, it's there's so much you can do during 434 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,960 pregnancy, you know, and I think again, it's one of those 435 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,920 narratives. It's like, oh, if you're peeing 436 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,080 your pants during pregnancy, that's normal, just deal with it 437 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,800 after. Oh, back pain during pregnancy 438 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,720 is normal. Deal with it after. 439 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Oh, you don't need to prepare your for birth. 440 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,160 Like, we'll tell you what to do, but there's so much that you can 441 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,160 do during pregnancy. And see, one of the most, you 442 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 know, common things we see at my clinic here in New Orleans is we 443 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,720 do birth preparation like we teach people. 444 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,440 How do you do perineal massage? How do you push properly? 445 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,200 You need to relax your pelvic floor during that last 446 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,480 trimester. You don't need all this tension 447 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,920 in there because for birth, you really need your muscles to get 448 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,440 out of the way. Your uterus is pushing the baby 449 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,840 out. Your pelvic floor muscles need 450 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,680 to move to the side. But if you don't know how to 451 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,680 relax your hips and your pelvis and your pelvic floor and push, 452 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,720 then when you're in birth, like, and you've got doctors and 453 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,160 lights and, you know, medicine, it's just you've never been 454 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,600 trained. It's like we're asking women to 455 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,200 run a marathon, but we didn't teach them how to run a mile. 456 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,400 And I think that they deserve this education. 457 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,560 I always felt like, well, why didn't I just pick this path? 458 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,520 And I'm like lucky and can take care of my vagina. 459 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,360 You know, I'm like, everybody should be able to have access to 460 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,360 this. And that's where the book comes 461 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,800 in is that like, I really think that women and their medical 462 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,960 providers can benefit from at least knowing from a pelvic 463 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,120 floor perspective what's optimal. 464 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,200 And then again, you know, birth and all these things. 465 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,120 It takes the course it takes, but at least like what's what's 466 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,040 supported in the evidence in the clinical practices that can at 467 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,360 least give them better chances of pelvic floor outcomes. 468 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,880 Totally. Are you targeting more so like 469 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,920 the the consumers of the book, like people that have the pelvic 470 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,520 floor, just the everyday people? Are you trying to target like 471 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080 the providers that need this information so that they can 472 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,480 implement it for their patients? No, you know, the book is very 473 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,280 much written for the the just everyday person. 474 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,720 I mean, it's like there's a chapter called the Scoop on 475 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600 poop. Like it's not super medical, you 476 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,400 know, but it's very much backed in evidence. 477 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,720 I mean, there's a ton. I really dove into the research 478 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,520 because I want to be able to say, like everything that's in 479 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,640 there is is backed by evidence and science, which is important 480 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,360 to me. I think that there's a fire hose 481 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,560 of information coming at people right now and it's important 482 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,640 that it comes from, you know, to me, a credentialed individual. 483 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,760 And it's not just based on, you know, one person's experience, 484 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,560 but really clinical experience and science. 485 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,280 But I also think that medical providers get such little 486 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,680 education on pelvic floor health and assessments that they're 487 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,160 going to benefit from reading this book. 488 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,800 I mean, they have pelvic floors. We see OBGYN's in my clinic who 489 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,320 are practitioners, but also pregnant and giving birth. 490 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,600 And so everyone benefits from from this education that Ioffer 491 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,680 in the book. 100% So for women, what are like the the monumental 492 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,520 chapters in their life or phases, so to speak, where this 493 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,800 information becomes paramount. You kind of alluded to them 494 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,880 earlier, you know, pregnancy apart from just the day-to-day 495 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,440 obvious implications, but just like the the monumental phases, 496 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,120 so to speak. You know, it's interesting 497 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,160 because I actually started this book, the first chapters on 498 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,920 periods and I could have written a book again just on pregnancy 499 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240 and birth and just on perimenopause and menopause. 500 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,680 But you know, when we start first experiencing pelvic floor 501 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,520 changes, it's during our first menstrual cycle when every month 502 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 our hormones are changing and that actually influences your 503 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 pelvic floor. So you're going to have over 400 504 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,400 and something periods and every month. 505 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,040 I mean that your body's changing, so you know, when 506 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,240 you're start menstruating and you're learning how to use 507 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,560 tampons or, you know, menstrual hygiene products, and then when 508 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,280 you become sexually active, if you don't know that sex 509 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,160 shouldn't be painful. I mean, some people don't even 510 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,560 know that, you know, the urethra in the vagina are two different 511 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,600 openings, you know, So I think that's the real basics. 512 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,880 People need to kind of understand for their bodies that 513 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,560 orgasms are actually pelvic floor contractions. 514 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,040 So when you become sexually active, you know our body 515 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,600 changes and you need to know what to look out for. 516 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,960 Again, we talked about pregnancy and birth and postpartum. 517 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,880 I have chapters on each of those because so much can be done and 518 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,800 also so much information needs to be given during those 519 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,720 periods. I think we're just not given. 520 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,200 And then again, I go into perimenopause and menopause. 521 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,200 When we go through another huge hormonal shift which effects our 522 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,720 pelvic floor, it can often lead to weakness, dryness, painful 523 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760 sex, things like that. So at every stage of a woman's 524 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,640 life, our bodies are changing, and every stage your pelvic 525 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,160 floor requires something different. 526 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,400 Unfortunately, I think it's not until we start having problems 527 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,040 that were like, wait, what's going on? 528 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,920 And we could have prevented or even just been aware of these 529 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,440 issues earlier and, you know, have some information about how 530 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,000 to treat them. Totally this. 531 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,840 This. I'm assuming it's probably 532 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320 within your wheelhouse because you're talking to people that 533 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,120 are perimenopausal, menopausal. But in my sphere, I've just 534 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,240 gotten a ton of questions around, you know, hormonal 535 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,880 replacement therapy for women in that chapter. 536 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,720 You know, when when you're talking with women and they're 537 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,280 going through these changes, like do you have an opinion on 538 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,920 that one way or the other? Because you're tackling like the 539 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,960 the Musk that your side of it from a pelvic floor standpoint, 540 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,720 but you're fielding all these questions around HRT as well, 541 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,880 I'm assuming? You're right. 542 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240 And I think it's, you know, it's a really, I think big topic 543 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,200 right now. The thing around HRT is there is 544 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,560 so much more evidence coming out that they are safe for people. 545 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,040 And, you know, they're not off limits for anyone who has had a 546 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,320 history of breast cancer or even has a, you know, or as high 547 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,880 risk. But I will say I think we have 548 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,920 to meet people where they are. So I am a proponent of them if 549 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,040 it's appropriate for people, you know, using estrogen, 550 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,040 progesterone, testosterone, a combination of these things if 551 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,040 needed. But if someone's not comfortable 552 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,840 with it, I don't think that we should try to convince them that 553 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,760 they're fine. You know, if they want to use an 554 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,320 alternative route or a non hormonal option or I'll just 555 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600 deal with the side effects of perimenopause and menopause 556 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,240 without hormones. I think that that there's that, 557 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,760 right? And we have to kind of give them 558 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,480 some other options to navigate some of the symptoms, like using 559 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040 a vaginal moisturizer or doing pelvic floor strengthening if 560 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,560 they don't want to use hormones. So I think, you know, hormone 561 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,320 therapy is a little bit more nuanced than nobody should be on 562 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,720 it and everybody should be on it. 563 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,520 I still think we need kind of very individualized care in this 564 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480 arena. One thing I am a huge fan of is 565 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,600 topical estrogen on the vulva and vagina because it's very 566 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,360 local. It can help plump up and thicken 567 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,080 those vulvar and vaginal tissues, strengthen the pelvic 568 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,240 floor, help with lubrication. And it's not systemic. 569 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,120 It doesn't kind of go systemically. 570 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,000 It kind of is very local to those tissues. 571 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,080 So I am a huge fan of that if someone's comfortable with it. 572 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,160 But when I think it comes to kind of more, you know, systemic 573 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760 hormones, I really think it's it's individualized and I think 574 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,360 it's great if someone wants to do it. 575 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,160 I actually think people are under prescribed it often. 576 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,720 They're still like, oh, menopause, do as little as 577 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,400 possible as long as possible. And I'm not in that camp. 578 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,360 But I think that if someone's not comfortable with it, we need 579 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,000 to be able to give them other options too. 580 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Yeah, it's always just like balancing acting scenes because 581 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,360 just as we're talking about earlier, less is often more. 582 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,800 We want to kind of return to this naturalistic approach 583 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,160 towards, you know, giving birth and having as little 584 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,000 intervention as possible, as little Western medicine 585 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,960 implications as possible. But then like with some things 586 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440 as science coming out and we're learning more, it's like, OK, 587 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,880 maybe it makes sense to ramp that up in this regard. 588 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,640 Yeah. So it's just, it's always, it's 589 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,760 always a balancing act, the dance that we're playing. 590 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,200 You know, you're, you're so right. 591 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320 And I think it's a dance and I think it's a little bit of 592 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,920 options. You know, I think it's again, 593 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840 one of those things where it's up to us as medical providers to 594 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,320 say, hey, these are the options. These are the the benefits, 595 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,280 These are the side effects. What do you feel like is best 596 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,800 for you? This is what I would recommend, 597 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,040 but I also have to listen to where you are, you know, in full 598 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,920 transparency. I mean, I'm 42, I'm in 599 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320 perimenopause and I've been having horrendous perimenopausal 600 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,400 symptoms like heavy periods and mom rage and, you know, anxiety, 601 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,320 like all of these things. And I was like, I'm not taking 602 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,080 any hormones, I'm going supernatural. 603 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,080 I did all the things, took my supplements and then I was like, 604 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,160 OK, this is not cutting it. And after two months of trying 605 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040 progesterone, which I put off for six months, I was like, I 606 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,280 feel like myself again, you know? 607 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,160 And so it was one of those things where I made the 608 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,640 decision, I was given the options, could have made the 609 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,960 decision. I was like, OK, I again, I had 610 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,200 to do my own research as to like, what are the side effects? 611 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000 How often should I take them? I still had to kind of do my due 612 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,680 diligence. But I do feel grateful that I am 613 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,800 in the space where I feel like I can inform myself. 614 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440 I can advocate for what I need, but also be open to exploring 615 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,000 different things if I'm not getting the results that I'm 616 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880 looking for. Yeah, 100%. 617 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920 You got to be objective and you got to be honest for yourself. 618 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,640 Like if you know what your results should be, what you 619 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,480 want, what you're looking for, and you're not getting them, 620 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,280 yeah, then be objective about that reality and troubleshoot. 621 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,640 I mean, it's really what it boils down to. 622 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,720 Yeah, or you say I'm just going to deal with this and this is 623 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,600 just how it is. But I don't think it's fair for 624 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560 someone to tell me like, oh, you're just going to have to 625 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,120 deal with this. I'm like, no, what are my 626 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,640 options? And let's make a decision 627 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,560 together as a team. 100% and and your book just released this 628 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,320 past Tuesday, is that right? It did it released on June 10th. 629 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760 So I was in New York and I was, you know, it was really exciting 630 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720 to be able to talk on national news about the pelvic floor. 631 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,960 They said they had never had a pelvic floor therapist on their 632 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640 show, which is pretty incredible. 633 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,120 And it just it's been an amazing week where so many people are 634 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560 coming out and saying like, I'm so glad you wrote this. 635 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080 I already started reading it. I'm, you know, teaching my 636 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520 daughter about using tampons. I'm teaching my mom about 637 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,000 prolapse and menopause. And just, you know, really 638 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,760 seeing how we can share this information with the women in 639 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,240 our lives, with our medical providers to just help us better 640 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440 understand our bodies and, you know, be on the lookout. 641 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,080 I'm kind of proactively care for it. 642 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,360 It's like I always see, it's like dental care. 643 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,160 It's like, you know, we see a dentist once or twice a year. 644 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,080 We get tune UPS, we get everything looked at because we 645 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880 can see our teeth, but nobody sees this part of her body. 646 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320 So it's really amazing to be able to educate women and have 647 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,760 them feel empowered about their own bodies instead of in the 648 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,360 dark. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm 100% on board 649 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,240 with that message. I mean, I feel like people just 650 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,520 are completely around what their body should feel like in the 1st 651 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,320 place. Like in the nutrition realm. 652 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,560 Like people don't even know what feeling good feels like because 653 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,040 they don't ever feel good to begin with. 654 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,560 They don't know how to move their body. 655 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,480 They don't understand proper bio mechanics. 656 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560 But once you learn that, once you become acclimated to it, 657 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,440 it's like this whole new world opens up to you. 658 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600 And I would assume the same thing is true with women, 659 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,200 especially in the public floor space. 660 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640 It's like once you understand these things, once you're 661 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,760 equipped with that knowledge, it's like you can change things 662 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,840 for the better and, you know, charge forward today and not 663 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,760 worry about it. You know, I hope so. 664 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,960 I. Can't tell you how many people 665 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,240 message me and they say every time I pee, I think of you, 666 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,080 Sarah, you know. OK, well, then I must be giving 667 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,160 you good advice because they were like, I've been peeing all 668 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,400 wrong. And I'm like, well, all right, 669 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,960 then. I'm glad you read Chapter 4. 670 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,240 You know, So it's it's one of those things where like, we 671 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,000 don't know what we don't know. And I just firmly believe that 672 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920 no one is teaching us about our bodies. 673 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,120 And often, even when we do have the courage to speak up about 674 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,480 something we're experiencing, we're still gaslit and 675 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,200 dismissed. And yet these symptoms affect so 676 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,760 many aspects of our lives, from our ability to exercise, work, 677 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,560 have intimate relationships, birth babies, get pregnant, I 678 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,480 mean, just so many things. And I'm like, I want to live an 679 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,920 act of fulfilling life. And I deserve that. 680 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,280 But I'm grateful I have this information, but I want everyone 681 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000 to have access to that. Well, we got to have someone 682 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,280 brave. Enough like yourself to put it 683 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,520 out. You're not getting any pushback 684 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,560 from others, are you? Like, they're not, they're not, 685 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400 you know, negative towards the content you're putting out. 686 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920 I wouldn't say negative. I think that sometimes from 687 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,160 broader media sites, they don't feel comfortable using the word 688 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,560 vagina. Like I've definitely been turned 689 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240 down from news segments. We're like, we think this is 690 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,160 really important, but we don't really want to say your 691 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440 Instagram handle or we don't want to say vagina. 692 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,000 And I'm like, OK, we're we're not there yet, but you know, 693 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,520 we're talking about pelvic floors publicly. 694 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320 Like this is progress. Like any way that we can move 695 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,200 the needle I think is positive. But I do think that it's still 696 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,800 an uncomfortable topic for people, which that's fine. 697 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,280 I'll meet them where they are. But the more conversations we 698 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,640 can have, I think the more, you know, we're able to help a lot 699 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240 of people, all genders, men and women who who need this type of 700 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,160 therapy and they just don't even know what exists. 701 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,600 Yeah, when? You were in New York for your 702 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,200 interview. What? 703 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040 What news channel was that for? It was for NBC. 704 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,640 So they, it was NBC national news and I was on 2 segments and 705 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,400 there are Daily News and it was awesome. 706 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,360 I mean, the women were amazing. One of them was a postpartum mom 707 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,280 and one and two of them, one of them was an older woman who had 708 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,080 had several kids. Another one had fibroids. 709 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,840 So you know, they felt like, hey, we want this information. 710 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,960 I feel like I need to know this and I want other people to know 711 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,920 it. But again, I think until you've 712 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,920 kind of been in those situations, you don't see the 713 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,840 need or the value. My goal is that we're 714 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080 proactively educating people about this. 715 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,480 Not always kind of feeling like we're having to do it 716 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,600 afterwards, but I, you know, it's, it's huge progress. 717 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,520 I mean, I, I think everybody's been really receptive and I try 718 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,960 to bring a little bit of levity to it, you know, it's do you 719 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,960 wear your vagina? Costume on set? 720 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Yeah, I've gotten several. Vagina costumes now. 721 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,480 And the only reason I did is because I don't like to travel 722 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,520 with it because I'm like, if this thing gets messed up, like 723 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,280 that's my whole brand, you know, and that company is doesn't make 724 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,120 them anymore. But, you know, I think it's 725 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,800 really fun to be able to do this and, and to to bring levity to 726 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280 it and make people hopefully feel comfortable about something 727 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,120 that can be really uncomfortable for some. 728 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960 Yeah, I mean, I feel like. Just like open communication and 729 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880 dialogue is is of paramount importance. 730 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,840 But whatever the topic is and that's why relationships make it 731 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,640 or break it, you know, just be able to communicate. 1 and I 732 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,160 feel like this is the same thing. 733 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,680 It's like there's obviously a need for this information. 734 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,920 There's issues that could be addressed, but they'll never be 735 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,120 brought to the light of day if we don't feel comfortable 736 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,280 talking about it. And we all have a public floor. 737 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000 I mean, this is all equipment that we're all familiar with to 738 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,560 some extent. Like, why is it this taboo thing 739 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,199 in the 1st place that makes no sense to me. 740 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,679 It's not. It's not realistic. 741 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,840 Yeah. I mean, I think. 742 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,400 That's like societal norms in the narratives, you know? 743 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,440 And I think about if we know better, then we can teach the 744 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,800 next generation better. I think that our parents just 745 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000 didn't have this. They were kind of head subscribe 746 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,600 to the narrative of like, this is just what happens when you 747 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,159 have babies. This is just what happens when 748 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,199 you get older. You know, you go when you buy 749 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,120 your diapers and your liners and you just deal with pain and 750 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,280 discomfort. But I think our generation, we 751 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,159 are so information hungry and health forward and curious that 752 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,520 we're like, wait, why are we dealing with this one? 753 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,800 Is there another way? And so my hope is that we can, 754 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,920 you know, really change this for the next generation. 755 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000 I mean, I, I have two sons and I think that they probably know 756 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400 more about a woman's body than most women know about their own 757 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,240 bodies. Like they know what tampons are 758 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,360 and they know what periods are and, you know, they know, like 759 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200 I've got vulva and pelvic floor models just hanging around my 760 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,880 house because of my job. But it's kind of normal to them. 761 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,840 And I think that I hope that they feel just comfortable and, 762 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,480 you know, informed about their bodies and other the other 763 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,720 genders bodies as well. So it's not so weird or gross or 764 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,920 anything like of like, oh, that's a period that's gross. 765 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,040 I'm like, no, it's just a period. 766 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,120 Like it just that's it. And so I'm really hoping that 767 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,440 we're able to change that for the next generation as well. 768 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040 I think that's that's. Definitely from a parenting 769 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,640 standpoint, that makes a lot of sense. 770 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,800 Like I'm probably biased because I know my upbringing, but my 771 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,320 dad's a a biologist, so like science and biology is just the 772 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,760 norm. That was just what we discussed 773 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,240 around the dinner table, you know, so like, things that I 774 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,600 take for granted and people find disgusting or strange talk about 775 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480 like it's just black and white, you know, science to me. 776 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,800 And I feel like when you have that approach, like, it just, it 777 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,680 removes the stigma because it's just reality. 778 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,040 And when there's no stigma, it makes for easy conversation, 779 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,200 right? And, you know, I think it's some 780 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,520 of us like to your point, like I even I now be honest, like some 781 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,960 of these conversations are still hard for me and that's my own 782 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,000 undoing. Like they're like, you know 783 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,880 what, when they're like, what is sex? 784 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,840 And I'm like thinking about it And then I teach it to them. 785 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,400 I'm like, oh, this is from a totally just like 786 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,960 heteronormative perspective. Like they don't, we don't talk 787 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,400 about any like homosexuality or because it's like that's not in 788 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,240 our home, but it's very much out in the world, you know? 789 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,040 So it's some of it is like I'm still learning my own biases and 790 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,200 my own upbringing, my own kind of tunnel vision where I'm like, 791 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560 oh, OK, this is like, I'm still figuring this out too. 792 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,120 I'm just like every other parent kind of fumbling with like, oh, 793 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,960 how do I answer this question? But I think it's the intention 794 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,200 is to do better to give them more than what we had. 795 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,000 And not that our parents did a bad job by any means, They just 796 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,640 didn't know any different. Yeah, totally. 797 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,760 How? How old are your two sons? 798 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920 They're 8 and 10. 8:00 and 10:00. 799 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,800 Nice. What what what does 8 and 10 800 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,480 look like? Because I'm going to have my 801 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,280 oldest son just turned 3 and the other ones do any day now. 802 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,240 SO2 Boys. Yeah, two boys and I. 803 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,120 Was one of two boys, my brother, I've got younger brother so I 804 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,720 know the boy dynamic from self experience. 805 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,240 But like, yeah, Crystal, my wife, I mean she comes from a 806 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,920 lot of girls so I don't know I don't know what 8 and 10 is 807 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640 going to be like. Is that easier than three in 808 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,440 infant or it's easier and. In some ways more difficult than 809 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,720 the others. You know, I would say I came 810 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,920 from, I have, I'm one of four, so I have two sisters and a 811 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,200 brother. So I came from a very girl 812 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,040 centric world as well. And so having two boys is a 813 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,920 totally different space. And I'm used to like the 814 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,520 fighting and the wrestling and the like balls off the wall. 815 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,240 Like they're both super sporty kids and we do soccer and 816 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,880 baseball and we're pretty active household. 817 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,760 And honestly, like I love that because I'm really active and I 818 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,400 feel like it keeps me like healthy. 819 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,520 And you know, I focus on like I want to be able to run down the 820 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,720 soccer field with them. I want to be able to like go up 821 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,000 and down and do puzzles and, you know, play soccer and baseball. 822 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,320 So I, I love that active part, but it's, it's a lot of 823 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,280 activity. You know, it's not quiet, but 824 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,320 they share a room. You know, we, they don't need to 825 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,880 like we have enough bedrooms, but we make them share a room 826 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,080 because I think it's important that they kind of have some 827 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,160 connection. They play together amazingly. 828 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,440 They also fight a lot. But it's fun. 829 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,440 I mean, they're fun and funny and they're great kids and, you 830 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,400 know, I don't know any different, but I have a very 831 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,520 blessed life and I'm really happy with, you know, you get 832 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,360 what you get, boys and girls, when you get what you get. 833 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,760 But I I, I love it. I love being a boy mom. 834 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,200 I I wouldn't trade it for anything. 835 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680 Yeah, no, I'm excited. Did y'all go like the the 836 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,160 homeschool rent or y'all put them in school? 837 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,760 What y'all do there? They're in school, so we. 838 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,920 Have you know, I've always worked full time. 839 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,880 My husband works full time. So we're definitely a two parent 840 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,320 working household. And I, I was one of those moms 841 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,560 that when my son was three months old and it was time for 842 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440 me to go back to work, I was like, oh, I'm ready. 843 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,400 Like I am not meant to be home with my kids. 844 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,120 You know, I'm a better mom when I'm away working. 845 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,400 But you know what, now I have a job and I have a ton of 846 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,240 flexibility. So I bring them to school, I 847 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,520 pick them up, we do practices. So I, I feel like I get the best 848 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,440 of both worlds. They they are in school and we 849 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,160 both work, but I have a lot of flexibility where I can be with 850 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,760 them and spend time with them, which, you know, my mom just 851 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,800 didn't have that ability back in the day. 852 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,640 You know, we were the last kids and aftercare till 6:00. 853 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,360 And so I, I do feel really lucky that we've been able to carve 854 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,800 that out for ourselves. Yeah, no, that's awesome, I 855 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,240 think. I think as long as you get to 856 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,000 spend time with them in whatever way you chop it up, whether 857 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,440 it's, you know, throughout the day or after, after the school 858 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,400 hours or having that flexibility, as long as you 859 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440 spend time with them and it's quality time, you're present 860 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,840 with them. Like that's the best thing any 861 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,760 parent can do. Yeah, I mean I could work. 862 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,520 On the being present part, because I'm always there like 863 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400 you're on your phone. I'm like, I know buddy, I'm 864 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,200 sorry, you know, So I, I think we can all work on that a little 865 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,200 bit, but I will tell you I, I feel completely confident. 866 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,640 I get plenty of time with them myself, like I'm with them a 867 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,120 lot, but it's good. I mean. 868 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,440 They grow fast and it's fun and I want to be around them. 869 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,080 And they're at an age where like, you know, this past 870 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,000 Mother's Day, I would say in the past, I've been like, oh, I just 871 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,400 want to break. I just want to, you know, get 872 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,120 away from my kids. And this was like, no, I want to 873 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,320 spend the whole day with my kids. 874 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,640 I want to swim, I want to play tennis, I want to go on walks. 875 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960 Like it's just they're at that age where I want to be around 876 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,920 them. So it's a it's a good spot. 877 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,600 Yeah. No, that's super. 878 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,440 Exciting. It's awesome, but what else does 879 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840 get you excited going? For me, I know the book just 880 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,560 getting published is a huge, huge deal, so Congrats there. 881 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920 But like, what else does get you revved up from an 882 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,360 entrepreneurial personal family, Just whatever standpoint, what's 883 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,120 got you excited? Yeah, thanks for asking. 884 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,240 So, you know, I don't know why I decided to do this the same time 885 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,080 I was launching a book, but I'm building an app. 886 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,440 So I, I currently have pelvic floor workout programs that are 887 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,360 just kind of desktop version. But in January of this year, we 888 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640 decided to transition all of them to an app. 889 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,240 So it'll be kind of much more user friendly, scalable, 890 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,600 accessible. My hope is that really pelvic 891 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,320 floor education and exercise becomes almost what we'd call 892 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,880 mainstream. So when you're pregnant, you're 893 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,920 like, oh, start these workouts. Here's your weekly pelvic floor 894 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,800 tips. You're preparing for birth. 895 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,520 This is how you push. This is, you know, how you 896 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,680 stretch, you're recovering from birth. 897 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,400 Here's how to do C-section massage. 898 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,960 You know, here's you know, how to take your first poop after 899 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,920 giving birth. Like, you know, you're into 900 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160 menopause. Here's your perimenopause pelvic 901 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,320 floor workout. So really kind of, you know, we 902 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,320 have workouts for everything and even in, you know, postpartum 903 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,400 and perimenopause were like strength trained, strength 904 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,440 trained, but we're not thinking about our pelvic floor, how to 905 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,840 integrate pelvic floor health into our day and into our 906 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000 workout. So I'm building an app that 907 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,400 should be out this fall. And then, you know, other than 908 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,760 that, I'm just really looking for things to kind of slow down 909 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,200 a bit. It's been 2 years of writing and 910 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,280 promoting the book and traveling for the book. 911 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,960 So I'm, I'm really taking three months after the book finishes 912 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,640 launching this month to just like hang out with my family. 913 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,640 We've got a couple trips planned and, you know, just kind of be 914 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640 around as a mom where I haven't been able to do that as much as 915 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,920 I had historically and just give myself a much needed break. 916 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,360 That's awesome. Yeah. 917 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,280 And you've. Earned it for sure. 918 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,200 Is this your first book? Yeah, first book it. 919 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,680 Might be my last, who knows, you know what I'm saying? 920 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,920 I still it's kind of like when you have a kid and you're like, 921 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,280 Oh my gosh, who would do this again? 922 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,240 And then a year later you're like, oh, I could do that again, 923 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,600 you know. So yes, first book, still 924 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,120 reeling from it. And it's, you know, it's pretty 925 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680 awesome. The way it came to fruition was 926 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560 it was a follower on social media who was an editor at 927 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,680 Harper Collins and she reached out to me and said, have you 928 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,800 ever thought about writing a book? 929 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,240 I think that, you know, women need this information. 930 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,160 And so it started from there. And, you know, here we are two 931 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,520 years later with it's on the shelf. 932 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,520 So it's it's been an incredible journey. 933 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,720 Yeah, no, it's it's awesome. I mean, I, I feel lucky I wrote 934 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,040 my book. It was during the pandemic. 935 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,880 So like I was forced to just be locked in. 936 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,400 It was like a perfect time to write. 937 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,280 But man, like for me, I, I couldn't get anything done until 938 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,000 I just committed to OK, no matter what, come hell or high 939 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400 water, I'm putting 500 words on a page every single day. 940 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,240 Like I had to have that, you know, that, that pinnacle. 941 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,160 I was like, I have to get this accomplished. 942 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,920 Because if you read a book, I mean, it's easy to just like put 943 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,120 it on the back burner, put on the back anything in life. 944 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,720 And with a book, it's just you got to chip away in some form or 945 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,440 fashion every single day. At least I did. 946 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840 No, you're exactly right. And mine was kind of week by 947 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,280 week. It was like, OK, this week I 948 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,280 have to write half a chapter. The next week you have to write. 949 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,840 It was so it was very much deadline based. 950 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,840 And it was, I mean, I pushed the envelope and I was like, oh, 951 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560 I've got 12 months. Oh, I've got nine months. 952 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,440 Oh shit, I've got six months. You know, it's always like, OK, 953 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,960 rent an office. I gave up drinking, I gave up 954 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,800 traveling. I rented an office and I spent 955 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,200 every, you know, two or three days a week and one day on the 956 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,000 weekend just there. And so I didn't miss some time 957 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,400 with my kids during the weekends. 958 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,720 And I actually sold my business. I mean, I had a clinic, a brick 959 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,000 and mortar physical therapy clinic. 960 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,760 And I sold it before I, I signed the contract to write the book 961 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,360 because I said I know I can't do all of these. 962 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560 I can't have a digital platform, an in person clinic, be a mom 963 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,960 and a wife, take care of myself and write a book. 964 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,360 And I was like, something's got to give. 965 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,360 So I sold my clinic and I work for them now, but I don't run 966 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,360 that business. But it was a it was a huge 967 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,560 decision, but I definitely feel like it helped me carve out the 968 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,600 time to to create this. Yeah, plus. 969 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,040 It's given you, I would assume a lot more, I don't know, 970 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,000 flexibility. You're not you're not stuck on 971 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,320 working on the business as much. You're able to just like do the 972 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,320 things that you want to do and kind of really double down on 973 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,760 your strengths more so than just like the administrative 974 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,800 component of it that I mean I love. 975 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,760 Patient care. So I'm really fortunate that I'm 976 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,040 I'm still able to do that. But I think, you know, when I 977 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,200 think about impact, it was like, I love my, you know, working at 978 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,160 the clinic in New Orleans, but how are we going to make change? 979 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,840 How do I want to impact people? And, you know, being able to 980 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,720 reach people digitally virtually is really much more impactful 981 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,440 right now. And so I think that that's where 982 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,200 I, you know, said, I want to go forward with this app and 983 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,760 hopefully get hospitals and doctors and practices and 984 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,520 midwives and to really start implementing this because I 985 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,840 think it's kind of a missing piece in our healthcare model. 986 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520 So that's really my goal right now, again, is to just kind of 987 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,400 get this out there and, and have it be more mainstream. 100% you 988 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,840 have a. Podcast I don't. 989 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,600 You should totally start a. Podcast, like I know you got a 990 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,080 million things going right now already, so I'm just adding more 991 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,880 to it. But like from a business 992 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,360 standpoint, from a branding standpoint, like I feel like 993 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,160 from a, like podcasting is the best medium to get the message 994 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,400 out there at scale. And like it just opens the doors 995 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,080 for so many, so many connections. 996 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,880 And like, nobody says no to a podcast. 997 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,280 I don't know if like podcasting is definitely the most bang for 998 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,760 the proverbial buck from like a marketing and growth and 999 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,240 informational content standpoint. 1000 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,680 That's so interesting because. I feel like so many people have 1001 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,720 podcasts right now. I'm like, is the podcast world 1002 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,000 saturated? You know, so I have no idea. 1003 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,360 It's funny. I mean a lot of. 1004 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,160 People think that it makes sense why you would think that, but 1005 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,720 like when you look at the stats, like the vast majority of all 1006 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,440 the podcasts on iTunes have less than two episodes. 1007 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,240 Like more than 50% of all the podcasts have less than two 1008 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,920 episodes. There's no staying power and 1009 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,800 people. Start a podcast and they. 1010 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,080 Just drop off and like me. I started mine in 2016 and I've 1011 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,000 got like almost 800 episodes now. 1012 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,960 But you know, it's kind of an audited like you, you just got 1013 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,440 to be consistent with like anything else. 1014 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,320 But if you did the book, you've obviously got the ability to be 1015 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,240 consistent. And I feel like this information 1016 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,600 would be well received in audio format. 1017 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,200 I mean, I feel like the title of a podcast that was a vagina 1018 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,120 whisperer would certainly get some downloads too. 1019 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,120 So like it would work well for you. 1020 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,160 I think we just put. Vagina on everything. 1021 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,960 Well, like certainly it'll get hit, you know, so, you know, 1022 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080 I've thought about it and I the, the interesting thing about my 1023 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,000 career path is it's been not reactive, but it's really kind 1024 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,880 of in response to what people are asking for. 1025 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,840 Like the book, it was not like, oh, I want to be an author. 1026 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,960 It was like somebody came up to me. 1027 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,320 I was like, huh, let me think about this. 1028 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,560 And you kind of start feeling pulled in certain directions. 1029 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,680 So maybe that will be the next direction. 1030 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,160 You know, I feel, I feel excited about the app. 1031 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,240 I mean, it's beautiful. We've done we've been working on 1032 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,360 it for six months now and I'm just super thrilled for the way 1033 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,120 that it'll be just really formatted for people and just a 1034 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,440 better user experience. We've had over 10,000, you know, 1035 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,440 users members over the past, you know, three years since we 1036 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,240 started it. So I think that that's kind of 1037 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,320 where I want to lean into and then we'll see. 1038 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,320 Maybe it's podcasting, maybe it's another book now. 1039 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,120 I'll still be on social media dancing in evolve a costume 1040 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,000 that's not going anywhere. So we'll see what's next though. 1041 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,400 Nice. And where do? 1042 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200 People go to get the app, the app's not available yet, right? 1043 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,400 No. So right now it's just a. 1044 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,000 Desktop version, which is very accessible, but I, I think the 1045 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,520 app will make it much more mobile friendly. 1046 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040 So my website is the Vagina whisperer.com. 1047 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000 I've got a ton of blog posts on there that are free, a bunch of 1048 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,960 free guides, but that's where you can check out the workouts. 1049 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360 And I think people are always like, what is a pelvic floor 1050 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,280 workout? And it's really helping you kind 1051 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,720 of connect with this part of your body and then bringing that 1052 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,920 into exercises, whether it's squats and bridges and lunges 1053 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,680 and, you know, weighted workouts. 1054 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520 So it's teaching you how to use this muscle. 1055 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,680 And then also we have a whole relaxation program if you have 1056 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,640 painful sex or pelvic floor tension. 1057 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,480 And now I'm bringing other fitness instructors, like I've 1058 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,880 got a woman who just like hit workouts and bar workouts. 1059 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,520 I've got a yoga instructor coming on. 1060 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,560 So kind of really adding almost like the Peloton for your pelvic 1061 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,600 floor, like just really building out the content, but it's all 1062 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,320 very pelvic floor and core friendly and safe. 1063 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,800 Nice, nice super. Awesome, super awesome. 1064 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,760 And for the book, that's called Floored, and people should go to 1065 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,200 the website for that. Or is it going to be like on 1066 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,320 Barnes and Noble? Yeah, you can find it anywhere. 1067 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,600 You buy books, it's called Floored, A Woman's Guide to 1068 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,720 Pelvic Floor Health at every agent stage. 1069 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,120 It's hot pink with a grapefruit on the front, so you won't miss 1070 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,440 it. And it's available on my website 1071 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,800 againthevaginawhisper.com or you can get it anywhere you buy 1072 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,880 books, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Bookshop if you want to support 1073 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,640 an indie bookstore. So it's, we've gotten some great 1074 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,920 reviews so far and I'm just really, really, I'm really 1075 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,280 excited about, I really think it's something that, you know, 1076 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,320 not everybody's ready to take that leap to go to see a 1077 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,240 therapist in person or some people can't even access one 1078 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,640 because of, you know, financial or, you know, geographical 1079 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,600 reason. So it's just really a great 1080 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,280 place, I think, for people to start getting informed and to be 1081 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,320 able to start doing things at home that can help with their 1082 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,480 pelvic floor symptoms. Awesome. 1083 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,600 Well. I'm in full support of it. 1084 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,640 I feel like the more information, the better, you 1085 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200 know, just kind of removing some of these negative stigmas, taboo 1086 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,680 topics and just like reaching better health and striving for 1087 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,680 it and their basis is key. And having people leading the 1088 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,360 charge like yourself, you know, addressing these topics that 1089 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,760 need to be discussed is awesome. So hats off to you for sure. 1090 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,040 Thanks so much for having me. You bet. 1091 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,440 My pleasure. Doctor Sarah Reardon, really 1092 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520 appreciate it. I will put out your link on the 1093 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,040 the show notes make it easy for people to find you. 1094 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,920 Thank you. Take care.