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We just completed David Goggins four by four by forty eight
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We dive into whole bunch for the growth mindset, philosophies and
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at you depleted, tired and worn out.
How are you man? I'm great, man.
I know you're depleted tired and worn out as well.
But here we are, and we're stronger for it, right?
That's right. So for anybody that does not
know, we just got done doing the David Goggins four by four by
forty eight challenge, the find that Force real quick.
So Dawkins created that three years ago and the idea was to
run for Miles every four hours for 48 hours straight to really
push you and see what your body was capable of very much has the
sleep deprivation built into it very much, like the military,
lots of times. We can't dictate the environment
or the timeframe, but we still have to act.
And so this is a really good way for us to it's a good gut check.
For sure. And then it also shows you what
else you're capable of on those days?
Like, we were talking about when, oh, I don't feel like
working out. I don't feel like doing this
second set of cardio when you've done, six sets of runs, 24 Mile
runs in a day and we actually did because of you.
We did an extra two miles. So we got fifty hours.
I mean, 50 miles in, I didn't know this.
This is he. He made this three years ago.
I thought last year was the first one.
No. The year before the last year,
was the first year that I did it, but it happened here before.
But I was, I was sort of aware of of it, but I didn't know what
it really entailed. Gotcha.
I want to dive deep into like
Our protocol what we did, what we learned from that eccentric
cetera, but I want to give you a nice chance to kind of introduce
yourself. We've been on the podcast twice
before once or twice before. So people should definitely go
to Nana, listen to those episodes.
But for those that have not, what's the kind of like a quick
biopsy of you not biopsy with quick bio of you, I guess?
I iove. Yeah, the the snapshot is I'm a
tedx speaker best-selling author of the book.
The Gift of adversity. I have a podcast which you've
been on a couple of times called octane number, but it's Latin
for Deeds, not words. It's, which is why we're doing
what we're doing. And then I'm also an executive
and mindset coach, two leaders CEOs and other entrepreneurs.
And that's, that's what I do and you and I met each other.
I think 2017-2018 something like that.
I think it was late. 17, maybe early eighteen weird story as to
how we met my barber. Who is kind of out there.
This is like an old Barber and she recommended I get in touch
with you because she was following your stuff on Facebook
or something like them. So, we had like, A three-way
call. She was trying to like sell us
both on something. I think and we didn't really
like what see what she was selling but we liked each other.
So we just continue the conversation after she got off
the line and then next thing, you know, you're on my podcast
on your podcast here. We are running 50 miles
together. So pretty cool how that works
out. Small world kind of for the
better, but we've never done you.
And I both have talked at length about mindset, you know, acting
instead of just talking but we've never actually done
anything. That was physically or mentally
strenuous in tandem until this event, which was pretty cool,
because we knew we knew we were both capable of doing this last
year. When you didn't, I did not
because I was traveling at a conference or something.
I remember what the deal was but but this year we jumped on it
and we did it in person. So we had you came out here on
Friday. The the runs started at 10 p.m.
Which was the same time. Goggins was starting the runs.
But we wanted to make, we couldn't just do 48 miles, 48
miles. I mean that's impressive and all
but 50 miles is much more noteworthy.
It's a nice round number. Yeah, so we ran two miles before
it all started. And then at 10 p.m.
On Friday, we started the official four by four by forty
eight. And we started the first three
state was three stents that we did on the pavement.
Yeah. Yeah, we did.
Yeah. So the first it was dark
obviously starting at 10 p.m. So we want to do.
There's a I'll field Prairie Grove Battlefield State Park.
They've got like a one-mile loop.
So we did that four times for the first three stents and those
paved roads. Like my feet.
I don't know about your favorite.
My feet were freaking feeling an after after just those.
Yeah, so we did that and then we would come back after each
stint. We take a shower.
We get a little food in if we were feeling it, you know, and
little food, being like a hard-boiled, egg piece of Quito
brick and a sausage or something.
We pre-prepped a bunch of kielbasa sausages.
We try and get some sleep for an hour and a half or so.
And then we'd wake up at to do it again.
And then it's six, do it again. And then at 10 a.m.
To p.m. 6 p.m. 10 p.m. And just repeat repeat repeat at
what point. Did you start to like go
internal, you know, usually for me the internal part was around
2 a.m. That's second day Saturday and
Sunday, morning 2 a.m. Because our bodies used to
sleeping at night that circadian rhythm.
And so the 10 p.m. Run was, you could push through
it but then when you woke up, we had to wake up at 1:30 to be
ready and it was just like, that's when you start actually
feeling everything and it's just like, okay, gotta lean into this
thing, you know, and it was interesting that you were saying
that. Was it your yeah, my or running
or a ring was saying that during the night runs you were actually
sleeping with. Yeah, interesting.
I think it was. I think it was my, I don't know
if my watch or my ring but one of them was definitely off
because it was And that I was sleeping.
I guess it was my ring. That was saying that I was
sleeping when I was running which couldn't be farther from
that because how definitely not a heart rate was up there.
Yeah. Yeah, but the yeah, that was
it's interesting cuz we're doing like polyphasic, sleep, the
whole way through. So we would try and sleep for an
hour and a half and then recharge get our feet elevated
improve the blood flow and then do it all over again, and I
don't know about you, but I've got terrible feet.
So my feet, I'm super flat footed, overpronate and
everything that could go wrong with a foot.
I've got that in my foot. My feet rather.
So I was feeling it after I mean, shoot the first few months
because that run a mile every day, but I don't run for miles
at a time ever. So doing that multiple times
throughout the course of 48 Hours was interesting to say the
least, but you seem to be holding up pretty well.
Like your joints and ankles and everything seemed to be pretty
solid, they did. And I'll give you this last
year. I ran a alone on flat ground.
And I was, I did a fasted. And, as you saw running, We
really don't need that much food, for whatever reason.
Maybe it's a different energy source because it's more aerobic
than anaerobic it, because we fast it all Sunday.
We did. And it was pretty easy.
Yeah, especially when you're thinking about, okay, I can
either get some food or I can lay down for an extra 10
minutes. Mmm, at that point sleep is
important, but I did it on my own in Tulsa, on flat ground.
So, when I get here, Roberts like, hey, let's run.
Both of these, you know, get one mile on each of these paths to
see what it's like and he takes me out there and you These crazy
inclines on that the one that cement.
And then the one that we did on the trails again, it was just
like rocks. Yeah, rocks and your its trail
running. So you've got these inclines.
It's interesting is what Robert called her.
I said treacherous, once he got wet.
But again, it was about challenging ourselves and
Robert, absolutely crushed it and like he went at the same
speed that he would for a 1-mile run.
He did that every Four Mile Run did not slow down to not.
Let let up at all. Left me in the dust many times
and so, I just can't say enough great things about His nine said
and his resilience or tremendous but you really don't know how
tremendous it is until you do something like this.
And I saw you do it first hand. I saw you go internal.
I saw you really push and so to anybody who's questioning, if he
is a Savage, if he has a keto Savage, he absolutely is.
And it shows me that you could do anything you wanted.
Like, if you wanted to be an ultra-marathoner, you absolutely
could. You're just choosing to express
yourself from a body building component for the most part.
But again, Two mile run for tomorrow ruck march.
Like it shows what you're capable of and to have that kind
of mindset and then be able to apply in business and
Leadership. You're unstoppable, brother,
more like wise, man. I mean, we were talking.
You get, you said U-turn in 50 next month.
Is that what this month this month?
I'll be 50 on the 27th. Well, happy early birthday.
But thanks. So you've got like, almost 20
years on me, man, which is, you know, not a trivial amount of
years and you're out there and you're killing it as well.
I mean, you never once complained, you never want
stops. I mean, you're out there
hustling, man. I mean, and there was a few
times where your hip flexor were seasoned up and you walked a
little bit to stretch that out. But I Honestly point to many 50
year olds that was out there that would be out there and be
it capable of doing what you were doing.
Yeah, and that's what it was. It was like, okay, even if I
have to walk to stretch these things out.
It doesn't mean I'm going to stop and I walk long enough for
them to open up and then I go I run and then they start locking
up. That's fine.
But you know if I have to crawl, like I said, if I have to crawl
through the last four miles, I'll do it.
Because we're not, we haven't come this far to just stop right
at the precipice. Yeah, and that's when we really
Dig deep. And that's when we realize what
we're made of, it's not always going to be easy.
But nothing in life is and we have to make the decision.
We're paying a price, either way in anything that we do, whether
it be the price of mediocrity or the price of greatness.
And even in the attempt of great things, it helps us get to that
next level. So, I was telling you last year
when I did this, help me Elevate in business, we look back at
what we did before. And if we Elevate to a higher
level, like what you've done here, will you you've This
incredible team, you built this, incredible compound.
You look back at what you did before.
So, if you're doing a quarter of a million and then if I'm your
business coaches, say, oh, we just work twice as hard, and
you're like, well, there's not enough hours in the day to work
twice as hard. But when you have better systems
in place, you have a better team, you can truly scale.
Now, you can look back at what you were doing before and say,
why was I even doing that? Yeah with this.
It's the same way. It makes you look at those areas
where you're like I compromised on that or I'd barely check the
box on that or iPhone this in the 4 by 4 by Rt8.
Help. You see all the areas, all the
pockets of opportunity that you're letting go by, and when
that happens and you know what, you're truly capable of, it
really keeps you from staying satisfied with being less than
what you could be. Yeah, I think you know
perspective in life is everything and you know, the
hardest thing you've ever done is always the hardest thing
you've ever done. So, you know, what what I view
is incredibly challenging. Other people may view as trivial
and and vice versa. And what people have experienced
in life. So pushing yourself outside your
comfort zone and gaining more perspective, as to what you're
truly capable of both physically and mentally.
And emotionally makes your perspective that much more
enhanced and it gives you that much more, I guess opportunity
understanding of where you're at in life and you can kind of
pick, you know, feel the curtain back on where you've been
before. And it makes it a trivial in
your own mind at that moment or something that seemingly
insurmountable. But with something like this for
instance after about 14 In miles or so after whatever extent that
was I mean, I'm hurting at that point on my knees are hurting,
my ankles are hurting like everything's hurting
sleep-deprived and a lot of people stop when they start
feeling pain and we were feeling pain before we ever even hit the
halfway point, but it's like, we're like failures not an
option. Like I'm grabbing the crutches
and hung on a cross, this finish line for have to.
So when you know that you cannot back out and you push through
the it mean, it's like, it's incredibly empowering.
Like when we first started each, After we started hurting, I
thought first couple laps is brutal.
Like you. And I are both sent both out
there looking like 90 year olds, you know, going in Shuffle.
Yeah, the old man Shuffle going. The pace of a snail, but then
after you start warming up a little bit joins, Kalitta
lubricate him. You can kind of pick up the pace
and it's a little bit easier, but that first, little bit is,
is brutal. And I feel like that is, you
know, synonymous with most things in life, when you're
doing something new, when you're doing something outside, your
comfort zone when you're hurting, and when you don't have
the perspective that Little bits freaking hard, you know, like in
business. There's so many hurdles and
businesslike, like taxes and llc's.
And you know, if you got a food product business, get like
Health Department, there's all these things that are hurdles
that are designed, not designed to stop you.
But definitely act as a way to really separate the people that
want it from those that don't exactly.
But when you're able to push through all that and then get to
the other side, it's like start building some momentum and then
when you have the momentum to carry you through, Just Keep On
Truckin, you know, and I feel like I don't know what David
going is original intent was when he made this challenge.
I feel like there's so many, you know, there's so many, there's
so many instances in which it can be applied to every person's
day-to-day life. No matter what they're doing, no
matter where they're at. I mean, it's just, it's very
applicable to everything that everyone's doing it absolutely
is. And just like you said, when
there's no other choice, the choice is simple.
We're committed. We're doing this.
So, by hook, or by crook, if you're carrying me or I'm
carrying you, we get there. And it's the same thing with
business with a relationship with anything in our lives.
If we give ourselves. The, in the back of our head,
the idea that? Well, if this doesn't work, I
can always quit. Then we will subconsciously.
Hold ourselves back. Demagogue has talked about the
forty percent rule, where it feels like, you want to give up.
And that's where your body, actually, when you want to give
up the most, that's your only at 40% of what you're capable of.
And my goal is with my clients to get them to that 80%, because
there's the 20% of life that we can't control whether it be a
cancer, diagnosis, a death in a family, financial ruin,
etcetera, but Knowing what you're capable of and being able
to push pretty close to that Max.
Let you have this adversity, kind of bubble, this kind of,
you know, buffer to let you get through the other parts of it.
And like you said the four by four by forty eight for those of
you that don't run. I mean, I'm not a runner.
I have not already enjoy running at all hate it.
I do too in the military. That was the default.
Nope. Whatever is going on.
Okay, go for a run and I was like, all right, you know, we're
just beating our joints up, but even if you were able to Workout
for 45 minutes, if you were able to walk for 45 minutes, if you
do it on the time hacks, if you do it with the sleep
deprivation, it will show you what you're truly capable of and
it will make you tap into things that you didn't know where you
in there. And the reason why we do that is
because we've never pushed to that point.
We've never been in a place where we had to go above and
beyond and if you're not going to do it for you, imagine how
this will impact the people around you, your business, your
family, your loved ones, your friends.
So what happens is we were talking about how The tide that
rises All Ships. What I have found like, even
coaching my clients when I elevate a level, it they have no
other option other than to use the gravity of that to get up
higher. Mmm.
They know I'm going to call them on their bullshit.
They know that I'm going to actually say is that true?
Or did you just go until you hit adversity?
Because that's what everybody does just like with lifting,
right? You go to that point where it's
like now, it's difficult. Okay.
I've hit failure. Do you have it?
Hmm? Focus.
All of a sudden. Oh, you got another up, I'll you
get two more reps. You got three more reps now and
now your form is breaking down. So you better quit, but the idea
is if you can get three extra reps, each time, hmm.
Each workout five workouts at a week 15 in a month 15 in a week.
What 16 a month. That's a lot of progress that
you can make and that's that area that we have to go into and
just lean into and understand that.
That's where we actually get the most growth.
Yeah. It is crazy.
How much like before you even Reach that halfway point your
mind is telling you, look, we're done.
Your body is telling you, we're done like with the forty percent
rule. Like what does that defined as
exactly like. Goggins basically says when you
feeling like quitting, that's the only reached 40% of your
true potential is that basically what he says.
Yeah, and that's basically from the military.
If you've been any military, they talk about that, but the
forty percent rule is like, like you said when your mind wants to
quit or when your body's hurting but there's a lot more in there.
Mmm. And think of it like a defense
mechanism. We're trying to protect
ourselves. We're trying.
And to not get ourselves in a place where we're going to be in
danger. And I understand that that's
important from a biological standpoint for survival.
But in the environment that we live in today, where we have
first world problems, like oh my latte is not hot enough for all
the Wi-Fi here sucks in the grand.
Scheme of things. We need this kick in the ass to
keep us. Really honest.
And ground is back to what's truly important.
Yeah, what's truly a threat was truly remarkable.
And if we don't do this consistently, then we get caught
up on social media. The Two BS in politics, you
know, people that are complaining about pronouns
things like that, things that are in the grand scheme of
things that don't really matter. Yeah, and if we don't start
looking towards those things, we will be woefully ill-prepared
for life when adversity actually does come in.
So even with what's going on in the world right now, there's a
lot of stuff that helps people kind of quickly realize that
there's a lot of fluff. There's a lot of BS.
Hmm. And if we can live from that
place of trying to be as grounded as we can to reality
And I always say that people always talk about, you know,
have your why, it's not about your why it's about
self-knowledge, because if you have a y and you're saying, oh,
it's this, it's this group or my family that I'm using.
As my why, what will happen is? If you're not careful your work,
your ass off for this this, why these people or this company.
And then there will be a time when you go through some
hardship and maybe you don't feel like you're being
recognized or appreciated as much or loved as much as you
should and it can turn into this unnecessary resentment.
But if you just look at it and say I'm doing this to figure out
what I can do, self knowledge comes from embracing diversity
and the more that you know about yourself and you can be really
honest. We talk to clients, right?
Had that client when you ask them.
Okay, what is the easiest way? You're going to self sabotage
yourself on this goal? Whether it be keto, whether it
be in business, and you just have that conversation.
Now before they get into it and now all of a sudden they start
realizing. Oh, yeah.
This is what I would do. And then you have the discussion
early and you take you get in front of it and you take all the
strength from it. And now, if you're in that
position, again, you've already had the conversation, you've
already decided again, you already committing.
So now you don't have to wonder well, again when I'm tired, I'm
not going to Quit all my body's hurting my going to quit.
Well, those things are inevitable.
Yeah, whether you quit or not is on you and then that self
knowledge comes through knowledge of yourself through
adversity. Yeah, when you I mean, you
really truly do, give yourself all the options at the onset.
Like, you know, if quitting is an option, you know, if it's not
and when you know, it's not like you don't let your mind
sabotage. You like when we were running,
you know, before we even got the halfway point, like, this
freakin sucks. I'm hurting.
You know, why are we? In this yada yada yada, but I
knew I was going to finish it, come hell or high water.
So didn't really matter. So there's no benefit in like,
letting myself become victim to those thoughts.
And then, once you kind of, I don't know where that point is
probably a bit different for everybody.
But once you caress that, you know, point which for me the
last probably when I knew there was three stents left, like it
was easy after that when there is three stents left the, I
guess that would be 10 a.m. 10 a.m.
To 2 p.m. And 6 p.m.
It's like it's all downhill from here.
And the last and I was freaking sprinting, you know, like I did
the most treacherous trail and I was sprinting the whole way at
the end and I was like whooping and hollering.
And it mean from a physical standpoint.
My body was the most worn down at that point, the most sick to
bribe the most beaten, but mentally, I was on cloud nine
because it's like, look, it's already over and like just
finish strong and when you do that, you can kind of like
reverse engineer that and apply that to the beginning, the
middle and throughout the end so that you Hey, look, how you
feel? How you perform is totally
within your mind. And so many people don't do that
and they have this victim mentality.
We're talking about that the other day, too.
Like when you have this extreme ownership, kind of quote junko
there like you feel much more empowered and some people that
they find that scary because like they have no one to point
two, but when you have this extreme ownership mentality and
it's always on you and you accept full responsibility in my
mind and in your mind, that's that's empowering.
Because whether you fail or you succeed, it's always your fault.
And I feel like that's, I mean, that's liberating my opinion.
It absolutely is for me. The minute that I stopped trying
to wait for somebody to save me was when I had to save myself.
Hmm. So people don't need somebody to
come save them. So maybe we don't need something
outside of us. We need to take ownership of who
we are and tap into that potential.
And the way that we tap into that is by pushing ourselves and
do it hard should, and this is a perfect opportunity to do it.
So many times in the victim mentality.
And, and listen, I understand if you're in a place of morning,
that's fine. There's a For that.
But eventually, you know in your mind that you're just sitting
here feeding that that you're just sitting here wallowing in
that and now you're not doing enough to push you forward and
if you aren't able to be aware of that, if you don't have that
self knowledge, then again that becomes your, your identity
being a victim as an identity. And now you put that out there
signaling on social media. So all of a sudden, if you do
happen to have a good day in, this is made like, comment.
So we'll oh mr. Pessimistic.
Mr. Sarcastic, mr. Right?
Hate Mondays and I live for Friday's now that paint you into
a corner. Hmm, intellectually.
So even if you wanted to break out of that even if you were
feeling more empowered you wouldn't do it because you would
allow the opinions of others that you've pretty much created
on your own. Keep you there and all of a
sudden people get stuck in that I called the adversity, scale.
Right? Like the worst thing you've ever
done in your life is a 10, the hardest thing you've ever done
and then like having on our through 0, as you were saying,
If you can click that scale up little by little, it makes you
really aware of what you're hitting.
But also if you said yourself, okay, the four by four by forty,
eight was most difficult thing. I've done in my life and then
we're having a conversation or you're dealing with a, like a
retailer or whatever. It's going to, you know, it's a
pain in the ass. But if you look at it, you're
like, on the grand scheme of things, honestly.
What is this? Yeah, compared to the four by
four by forty eight. This is like a 2 or a 3.
Like this conversation will be done in 45 minutes or whatever
it is and You can move on to the next thing and with that
knowledge again. It's in bolting it help.
It helps you embolden you and helps you move forward
aggressively because you know, the end result is still going to
be what you want. Right?
And with that knowledge. Like how many people would be
even more Resolute? Be even more committed.
Be even more aggressive towards the things that they want, if
they knew that, if they could just push this one point, it
would all be downhill. Mmm.
And the reality is, that's how life is.
Yeah. So if you Belabor the point.
If you drag your feet, you're actually making it harder on
yourself. If you have your foot on the
brake and trying to push the gas.
You're literally holding yourself back, you're shooting
yourself in the foot. So, if that's the understanding
that you have from doing hard things, then you just have to be
able to step away and say, I want to have hindsight.
Now, I want to realize that in a few hours.
I can get a warm shower. I can get some food and go have
some Mexican food to someone, right?
And I can lay down for more than an hour at a time.
And with that knowledge, it. These, I call them micro
adversities, but other people in the military called the micro
goals. So for us, it was like, you
know, how many more laps do we have to do and they're like,
okay, I've got five more laps. I got four more laps.
I've got three more laps, two more laps.
And so, it's just about not thinking how hard it's going to
be in the long run. It's about finishing this
breath. This rep, this step.
Mmm, and they just keep doing it.
Yeah. I mean, when I'm doing a
competition print, that's exactly what I did.
Like I break it down. Like that was the think about it
in terms of, hey, look I've got six more months.
Of this like that's, that's the billeting.
Oh, yeah, you know, but if I look at, hey look, one more rep,
one more meal, one more, whatever and you break it down
that microbes stance. I mean, it's very, very doable,
you know, and at that point the the factor like the single most
definitive fact that determines those that succeed in those that
don't is just consistency. And that if I was to pick one
superhero, Trader - it's that I'm a freaking stubborn, son of
a big bust. You something.
I'm gonna freakin do something no matter what, and that's why I
like competition, perhaps, because they are very long there
for 26 months long. And at no point in an entire
prep, is it like incredibly daunting and challenging like,
it's a workout. It's a meal, you know, it's
whatever. But it's like the the hard part
is doing it over the course of that four to six months span
most people falter because they get bored with it.
They want to return to some degree of normalcy, and they
don't have that staying power, but I feel like Consistency and
disciplined towards the long game towards that staying power.
Just chipping away at every single day.
That is what makes people succeed.
That's true in business. That's true in relationships.
That's true and fitness as true and everything in life and it's
the analogy that I use is if we're doing a bench press and I
have my arms locked out. I can hold the weight there for
a long time because I'm using the rest of my structure of my
body to take a lot of that Berry.
So that's what consistency that's what discipline does.
It takes all the emotion out of it takes all the effort out of
it. But if I'm Having to continually
muscle my way through with artificial motivation and trying
to tell myself. All these other lies that I'm
corroborating in my own mind or making these, make a make a deal
with myself. If I do this and then I can do
this. What you're doing is you're
actually making it harder on yourself unnecessarily, but
again, taking the emotion out of it emotions, assassinate the
truth, being consistent with what's going on in the people
that I find that are the most triggered by the word motivation
or triggered by the word discipline are people that lack.
Lack discipline and lack motivation.
So don't even try to be motivated, try to be
disciplined. Try to be consistent, and those
routines eventually create gravity, and they eventually
move you through. So you're already moving in this
direction like pedaling the bike.
Hmm, at my little story about when he was teaching his
daughter, Bella how to ride a bike.
And he would push her and she would start riding and she was
start pedaling. But then when she saw that she
was moving, she was stopped pedaling and just, you know, try
to enjoy the experience. But every time she would stop
pedaling, she would fall down and every time he would push
her, he was a keep pedaling. Keep moving forward, keep
feeding into it. So when business and anything in
life, even when things are going well, we need to keep pedaling
medium pushing because that creates that momentum.
So when we do get stuck in the mud for a minute, the momentum
from the From the routine from the consistency pushes us
through and now we can attack it again.
More aggressively, even if we get stuck for just a moment.
I think Kevin non-negotiables in your life is it takes the
guesswork out of it? It removes that from Weighing on
your mental bandwidth. Like, for me working at is a
good thing working at is, always a good thing, you know, eating
healthy is always a good thing. There's no downside that comes
from eating healthy, you know, doing this.
These things and having them as non-negotiables is key to my
success. I look at Crystal.
She's I don't know. I mean 32 weeks pregnant as of
Wednesday and most people I would say they use something
like that. That's not a normal thing.
Like being pregnant as this, you know, get out of jail free card.
So to speak of like, okay, it's okay for me to cheat on my diet.
It's okay for me to slack up on my training.
It's okay for me to stop doing all these things that have led
to my success thus far in life, because I've got this, You know
extraneous circumstance. That's that's only temporary.
But I've been super proud of her because she's maintained her.
Dad told me through, she's maintained her training, the
whole way through. She's Army her pregnancies been
a breeze, honestly, and I think it's because she's leaning to
those things that have brought her on the success that she's
experienced thus far, and the same is true with you.
The same is true with me, like people experience success often
times and then they they use that moment that hide it there
on as a reason to stop. In the things that brought them
to that successful spot to begin with.
And for me, it's like I probably don't celebrate the wins as much
as I should because I'm always moving on to the next thing and
staying, you know aggressive, but that's what brings me the
excitement's, what brings me satisfaction.
It's not so much that the act of winning are succeeding so much.
It is the journey to get there. And when you forego that to the
point that you're forgoing, what brought you there to begin with,
you are literally failing you will.
You will not play the long game. You will not Last because you're
you're you're sacrificing the character traits that brought
that success to begin with and to brag on your wife a little
bit. She was out with us yesterday in
the rain at 10 a.m. 2 p.m. And 6 p.m.
And she wasn't running guys. I'm not saying that but she was
walking. Yeah, the whole time.
Yeah, so she was there as an act of solidarity and she didn't
need to be out there. I mean, she probably got 46
miles on her own just walking around, you know, and that was
great for her and the baby and just like you said, the Ernie is
guaranteed. There's going to be a journey.
The destination is not, but if you can feed into that Journey
to the best of your capacity and ask yourself, what is the
courageous decision right now? If you elevate that, if you use
that as your limits test, the courageous decision would be to
eat properly here. The courageous decision would be
to work out even if I don't feel like it.
The courageous decision is to admit to my wife or to my loved
ones. Hey, I messed up and I
apologize, you know, I was in a bad place, whatever it is.
We're being honest with yourself and saying, yeah, you know, you
slapped on that. That courageous decision is what
allows you to make the right decision, even when you don't
feel like doing it, like all things.
It's about what's the courageous decision?
What is the quality over quantity idea here?
What would be the most quality use of my time right now?
Hmm. A my 8020 in there.
So I'm using Parkinson's law. Am I using Hick's law?
Am I trying to use Occam's razor?
My trying to simplify things. Am I trying to align things.
So that now, when I move forward, I can just do all these
things in order as opposed to running way over here, dealing
with this. And now having to turn 180 run
over here wasting more time in transit that actually doing
things with it. So that idea and that commitment
to the journey makes the destination a foregone
conclusion. But if you don't come at it with
that idea, if you don't come at it with this understanding that
it is going to take time, but anything worth doing anything in
your life, that is worth doing, takes time.
It takes effort. And if you think about in your
life, any time when you felt really like proud, it's because
you went through something difficult is because you were
pushed if you have that. Coach or that leader.
The demands more of you. And says, I'm being hard on you
because I know that you're capable of more.
Yeah, you may not like him at the time you don't have to.
But at the end of the day when you get to that place and you're
like, wow, I'm so glad we got there.
It's amazing. Once you're at the top of the
mountain, all the hardship that you went through to get there
all the adversity. You went through becomes
irrelevant. You don't even care about it.
We're sorts a day, but I'm so glad that we did it.
Yeah, and we're going to be sore anyway.
Yeah, totally and I feel like, you know, there's so many points
in life so many points in the acute and in the macro The
Chronic where it's like you have the choice to push yourself in
Excel and do that hard challenging thing or not.
But the moment you decide not to it becomes exponentially easier
to not to just say no to it again and again and again like
for me personally, my goal throughout this was to not walk
at any one point. Like my goal was to be able to
say, hey look, I ran 50 miles. . Never once walked and nothing
against people, that do while you walk some because you had
some hip flexor issues, but for me, I knew that if I had want it
have been easier to justify walking later, you know, and so
many people have that in so many ways.
They would have been easier for us to say, let's let's, let's
sleep a little bit longer and start a little bit later.
Yeah, if we if we had allowed her substitute at once, but we
didn't, you know, so like the moments people allow themselves
to give in I need a weakness or a Temptation or say no to the
hard conversation, that needs to be hand.
It becomes so much easier to continue to do that.
And I mean, everything compounds, the good compounds,
the bad compound. So if you if you start veering
off a path that is negative or easier over simplified or not.
The right path, you're compounding.
Effect of that is going to be that much harder to break free
of as time goes on. And that's the key.
The way that we conduct ourselves in the face of
adversity is an indication. Of how we do everything else in
our life. Hmm?
And like you said, if I compromise once, if I cheat on
my diet that makes it easier for me to cheat on my wife.
Hmm. So if we decide to compromise at
the first sign of adversity that bleeds over into everything else
that we do in our life and it's like well, yeah, no sure no
problem. And then like you said that
becomes this Cascade where now all of a sudden, you know your
center from the TV all day, you're eating crap food.
You feel horrible and you have the audacity to wonder.
Why? Because you have moved your
body. You haven't fed it properly and
probably the stuff that you're putting into your mind at that
moment. There's times to have like, you
know decompression, you know, kind of a reboot.
That's fine. But in the end.
People always thought that it was lack of information that
kept people, you know, stupid we see now that having more
information is not the answer. If more information was the
answer, then everybody would be a billionaire and have six pack
abs right now because the internet and I think you see
that that's not the case. If anything we've actually
devolved in a lot of ways, we've actually regressed because now
people are looking for somebody else to give them this
artificial pacification that's artificial motivation for a few
moments. Like we were talking about like
the tweets that I I try to make them very simple and for
whatever reason people like that bite-sized, nugget of, you know,
it makes me feel inspired. But I'm afraid that they don't
see the underlying stuff. I am afraid.
They don't see what got me to that point to say that.
It's so succinctly. And if you don't understand
that, then you're basically just, you know, getting this
artificial sound bite. That makes you feel good for a
few moments. And then moving on to the next
thing. If?
If we can just understand that they're going to be times when
we don't feel great. Even if we're doing everything
properly journal and our life people talk about it's the five
Psych the five steps of of ownership or the five steps of
acceptance and it goes denial. Something bad happens,
adversity, integer life you go into denial.
Then you go into this place of anger and anger is based on
resentment because of what you saw that you could have done,
you have remorse. Then you the third phase is
you're there and all of a sudden now you're trying to bargain in
some capacity. And a lot of times people go
into a micro cycle of just that. Denial.
Anger bargaining. Back into anger again because
you don't want to accept it back into bargaining back into
denial. And if you look at that, all
those are basically the victim cycle, once we're through the
place of actually stopping this understanding and knowing that I
can't make a bargain with anybody to do this.
Then you go into depression and then you go into acceptance.
So there's going to be times. Even with successful people.
I've had clients that are incredibly successful in there.
Like, man, I just feel really depressed and it's because all
these Cycles. Are going on extraneously,
whether they're aware of it or not.
So from one of them, incredibly successful amazing business
making all this money and then they had a child.
And that for him was the conclusion that he didn't have
any opportunity to bail out. He couldn't just quit the
business or get divorced and go back that backpack through
Europe. Hmm.
And even though he says I felt really guilty for feeling like
that. You know, I should I have all
these things going on. That everybody would love to
have on the outside. I look very successful.
But that's what you see with successful people is they're
going through this place of acceptance.
So if we can just sit with that and understand, This is just an
emotion. This will pass and Zen.
They say that when you meditate when a thought, enters your
mind, if you stop and give it t, it will stay there and it will
proliferate, but if you just let it come and go.
So again, just being okay with the emotion saying, I don't feel
great right now. That's okay.
I don't have to try to get on Tick-Tock to to give myself a
dopamine head. I don't have to eat some shit
food to give me an insulin Spike.
And if you're not sure if that's really hitting you right now,
ask yourself right now. If you're feeling this emotion,
ask yourself, where is the evidence that this is harming
me? Hmm, unless you have like a
suicidal ideology or you have like self, you know, harming
Tendencies it won't, and then you can just understand it for
what it is and accept it for what it is without emotion,
without expectation without desire.
And then eventually it will flow through you and it will go away.
And again, that's another excellent example of what we
found for the 4, by 4 by 48. If I'm resisting this the whole
time, God this sucks God, I'm cold, man.
It's way. It's raining again.
Doesn't matter. Me resisting against it, makes
it difficult. So having this radical almost
aggressive acceptance of everything.
I say. Yes.
Now, what does that do? And those five steps that we
just talked about, I go from skipping denial.
Skipping anger, skipping everything.
And I go right to. This is the reality, I accept it
for what it is, and the sooner that we can get the data to that
reality. The sooner we can actually take
action to change it. But if I'm fighting against it,
the whole time, if I have a flat tire and I'm like, I can't
believe this is happening and now I'm pissed off and I'm you
know, yelling and screaming again.
What am I doing? I mean, I'm in the dial,
eventually have to good get to the point to realize don't make
a phone call. Do I start changing my own Tire?
What do I do? All that time in between there
were wasting. Yeah, and if you look at your
life, there's a lot of mental bandwidth that we waste a lot of
emotional bandwidth that we waste in the process of trying
to deny the reality that book that is right before us.
Yeah, I think you know, like not even listen.
This is a business owner, but I think in owning a business that
has employees. It has a physical product that
has shipping and Logistics and customer service and all that
stuff. I've learned to think ahead.
On a level that it just it's comical how crazy for him to
think ahead and have to imagine all the worst-case scenarios and
then plan accordingly, and have a contingency plan in place for
everything that possibly can happen.
And the amount of times that it actually happens that those
contingency plans have to be put into it into effect because
something does like the random things that you would never
expect to happen. Happen to me all the time, and
it's not like I've got bad luck, you know?
Because I don't believe in bad luck like you make your own
look, if something happens, it's outside.
Plan, it's my fault. Even if it's not my doing, it's
always my fault. And when you do that, your
ability to plan accordingly, plan ahead and then be at peace
with the outcome is so much better than if I was to just,
you know, have this. Oh, woe is me victim mentality
and then because I've planned ahead and my ability to not go
into denial and go through those five phases because I've already
planned for that, you know, adverse thing happening is just
much better. I've got a A hedge against all
the - vets and you know, sometimes I don't plan for
something like Something's Happened outside of my out of my
knowledge, but that's not 24 growth right there.
It's an opportunity to know. Okay, next time I need to plan
for this because this is now possibility and that can be
applied to everybody whether they own a business or not.
Because everybody goes through things and that aren't
unexpected that are unplanned but it amazes me.
How many people have these unexpected, you know, extraneous
circumstances come into their life and they just That ruined
their life. Like they have a bad day and
then just has this - cascading effects.
It just continues to compound and create a worse day.
But I mean like they is I mean the day is going to happen.
The 24 hours are going to revolve whether you want it to
or not and life is finite. The fact that you were breathing
and listen to this podcast right now.
Puts you in the top 1%. So to think negatively towards
anything. It's happening in your, you
know, frail little life is just totally in conducive to any
amount of Positivity or success that you could ever see or
experience. So taking everything as it comes
running with it, making the most of it not having a victim
mentality, not going into denial, not going into this -
cascading thought process is so key.
And I feel like owning a business is the vehicle that
allowed me to figure out who the hell I am as a person and how I
need to function as a contributing member to society.
And that vehicle be very different for lots of different
people based off of their life and what they're doing, but
everybody owes it to Selves to figure out what the hell that
vehicle is. It needs to be, and then go full
bore into it with everything. They've got that's it.
And the beauty of adversity, is it my tedx?
And my book? I say it is like, adversity,
shows up unannounced at the most inopportune time without
apology. It couldn't care.
Less about what you want. It doesn't give a damn about
your feelings and diversity, doesn't take no for an answer.
It forces us to elevate to a higher level.
It never lets us do just enough to get by.
It knows our true potential. Even we, when we don't Which is
why it kicks our ass when we don't give a hundred percent.
Enriched of any wrote an incredible book called The
attribute is the next Navy SEAL commander and he was saying that
resilience is not just the ability to have grit is the
capacity to adapt to the unexpected.
So, there's a lot of people that are mentally stronger or there's
like different circles in our life.
Right? So you have a person who's
incredibly disciplined with the working out in their diet, but
then when they go to their job, their half-assing it when
they're in their relationship, they're the kind of empty.
So, if you have this ability, if you have this framework in one
area, why aren't you challenging yourself to do it in other
places? Why aren't you challenging your?
That? Same discipline that you use in
the gym to work towards your own personal life?
Whether it be creative side, Hustle.
Being a better leader at work, being a better husband or wife
being a better member of your Society.
David Goggins, even said it in his book, he was saying how He
knew that he wasn't very smart and he said that he took the
same discipline that he did from running to learning like dive
manuals. So he knew that he would have to
write it out manually 10 times to get to the place to do it.
That's incredible discipline. And again, it's easy to be
disciplined in one sphere. But do you have the honesty with
yourself to say, man? If I could keep doing what I'm
doing over here and write these write this down 10 times or
whatever it takes to get into that place.
That's what it. To get you to that next area.
So again, like you said the vehicle of the business, it's
the best personal development project you could ever have
because you learn more about yourself, writing a book, create
a business dealing with those hardships than you ever would
from try. I hate that.
Everybody is looking for the next program or the next book or
the next Mastermind to give them all the answers, to give them
all these this formula to success.
But again, like I said before, I can give you all the formulas in
the world, but if you don't know who the hell you are or what you
believe in, and what's important to you, like really important.
None of this should other matters.
It doesn't, you're just following somebody else's
formula that may or may not have helped them in that moment.
And until you can find In the Destroyer lie in alignment with
you and congruent with everything that you're doing and
you believe in, you're going to be basically.
Inefficient with a lot of your time.
Totally agree. Let me ask you this.
We live in an era and a time and a place in which things are
pretty cush. I mean there's there's
definitely things going on the world right now that are not
sunshine and rainbows and I don't want to discredit that.
But I mean, if you have time to listen to a podcast, if you
have, you know, if you have money in the bank, if you have
clothes on your back food in the fridge, and then you're probably
not waking up every single day questioning whether or not
you're going to be surviving that day.
So we create these self-imposed hardships, whether that be
something like the format for about 48, whether that be a
bodybuilding competition prep with that be a business, whether
it be a mere, whatever, that is. We create these self-imposed
hardships to benefit from all the, the mental psychological
emotional, physical strains, that result and for people like
you. And I mean, I think like a self
mask because, you know, like, I seek out the pain, like I feel
Draught when things are comfortable, like, I feel like
if I'm in a place, a place of comfort, I'm doing something
wrong like it. That's what brings me, anxiety.
If I'm incredibly miserable. I feel more at peace, which is
just weird to say, but it's true.
In some people, you know, they don't have near enough hardship
and some people neither in the spectrum.
They create so much hardship that they are not able to relax
and that can be a negative thing, as well.
So, how would you define? Enough.
What is enough is enough? A good thing is, I don't think
satisfaction is a good thing. I think contentment is a good
thing. I like to be content with where
I'm at. Always striving to be better,
but I like to be content with where I'm at, but not so much
satisfied with where I'm at. So learning how to you know,
present things and bring things into my life, that pushed me but
in a sustainable manner that like you and I 150 miles and
that was great, but it probably would be counterintuitive or
counterproductive for us to run 50 miles every single day of our
life, you know, so at what point?
And this is gonna be different for everybody.
But how would you define enough? And how would you define
sustainability, and scalability? Like, how would you structure
this in a way that is more positive than negative?
And that's a great point, because if you look at social
media, you're going to have one side of the side.
That tells you always push, you know, hash.
Tag team, no, sleep grind, grind grind.
If you're having a grind, 18 hours a day.
You're doing something wrong. You're not efficient with your
time. So in my mind, doing enough
means that I'm doing everything that I possibly can efficiently
being very honest with myself. Again that self-knowledge
adversity is the gateway to self knowledge.
That helps you understand what is enough, but the beautiful
point that you brought up also is US running.
Again, today is would be stupid and counterproductive
unnecessary, right? So, sometimes enough means
you're asking yourself to demand more.
Sometimes, especially for people that are hard Chargers, the
hardest thing for them to do. Is take a step back.
The hardest thing for them to do is to not keep pushing to not
continue to make that phone call to not continue, making that
email. And the thing is like you said
for each of us that as an individual that's different.
And you also go through phases, right?
You go through phases writing your book phases in and prep for
competition. There's going to be places like
we were talking about it. My wife and I last month last
year. We traveled once every month and
then we got married. And you were even Crystal where
there. And I'm so glad you were by
January of this year. If I followed that same Pace,
you know, I talked to her and she's like, I mean, because I
thought I said, it's like, it's January.
Let's go to the Caribbean or something and she's like, That
sounds good. And I'm like what's going on?
And she said, you know, frankly with all the stuff we did last
year. It would feel good just to have
like a staycation. Yeah.
So again, to be honest with yourself and say, what's enough?
Maybe once enough, what is enough is in this moment?
What's optimal back to Rich to Vinny?
He says, it's not about Peak Performance about Optimal
Performance. So us, we were not at 100% at 2
a.m. Sunday morning, but we gave
everything that we had, we gave whatever we had in the tank.
Whatever your 100% is. We gave it at that moment.
And that's where enough is. That's we're making it in a way
where it's optimal where you're not getting these huge
diminishing returns where you're not unnecessarily.
Yourself where you're not putting yourself into like a
psychological or mental state where now, no matter what
happens, you're not happy or putting yourself in a place
where you can't even connect and be transparent with a loved one,
you know, people in your team Etc.
Because without that I was talking to you about people that
have Coach where they weren't being honest with themselves and
that made it impossible for them, to be honest, with other
people. And now you're sending out these
mixed signals and now people are confused and you may have an
expectation from somebody else or from a team member and you
may never have even express that but if you don't, it's
impossible for them to read your mind to anticipate everything
that you want. Won't you?
Just tell them? This is what I this is what I'm
expecting. This is what enough is?
This is what good is. If we want Excellence we try to
go about that as much as we can in a way that again is
sustainable. Because if we don't, it's very
easy for us. It's hard Chargers to burn out.
Even me after my injury, but those of you that don't know, I
was injured, the military. I was paralyzed from the neck
down dying. The table twice.
I told never walk again. So 40 years old.
That's what happened. Now, once I got out, trying to
figure out what the hell do I do with my life, that was another
challenge and then when I started on this entrepreneurial
path writing a book speaking, I found myself very much drawn to
this idea of just keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing
because This finite and we only have so much time but I also
understood that there's more to life than just that push and
more to life than just this artificial metric.
You know, how much is enough again?
How much mediocrity is enough for people?
How much inconsistency is enough for people?
If you can ask yourself those questions to be really honest
about what really matters to you, like, really, like, what
would you fight or die for? That's a good place to begin.
If you were injured, like I was and you were able to walk again,
what would you want to do immediately?
Like these are the real questions, not some artificial
in a little checklist. You get from social media from a
book. Most of those things are very
superficial at best and people love superficial because they
don't actually have to do the work.
Mmm. It's Adam.
And I often times think about death like, I think, you know,
momentum or a. Yep, I think.
And I visualize and I like spin legitimate time thinking about.
What would my day look like if I died today?
What would my day? Look like, if Crystal was given
a death sentence, like what, what are the most important
people in my life? And how would I conduct myself
if I knew and that something treacherous was going to happen
to them? Them and that sounds really
morbid. But I feel like it improves the
quality of the relationships. I have with those people.
It improves the quality of how I spend my time throughout that
day and the plans that I make throughout my life and I feel
like you know death is going to happen to us.
All like it's inevitable like you and I were going to be
fertilized and daffodils before too long, you know, so being at
peace with that accepting that fixating on it for a moment and
then recognize that it's going to happen.
And then living your life with that knowledge as opposed to
sticking your head in the sand and running away from it.
I mean, I think that's something that we all would benefit from.
I feel like recognizing it being a peace with the fact that life
is finite that we are going to die and that really focusing on
how we're going to live that life.
You know, that that's that's the key thing and people say this
like, it's all it's all said, it's all out there.
It's probably in some much fancier quote that I've just
Illustrated somewhere, but I feel like so few people live
with that. Knowledge, like if I was dying
today. I would honestly be smiling,
man. Like I have no regrets - sure,
there's things that I wish I would have done.
Could have done should have done, but I think the day like
I'm proud of the life that I've lived up, this point, like I
feel good about it and I'm happy to say that.
I don't know if most people could say that, I hope so, but I
don't know that. That's the case.
But yeah, man, I think, I think recognizing it being at peace
with the brevity of life, super super important character trait.
And like you were saying, you know, we have to figure out, Out
a way to push but then also be sustainable.
I feel like if a hundred percent is ending with your death, like
if you're running a marathon you like.
Hey, I'm gonna give it 100% and people say I'm going to give it
100%. Go out all the time to go give
it 110%, But if you give it 100% like that would literally mean
that you die. At the end of it.
You give it all that. You have to point that your
heart literally stops beating when you cross that finish line.
That's 100%. Obviously.
We don't want to do that. Every time I run a marathon and
and Marathon meeting anything in life, it's hard.
And because you obviously would be shutting your life, pretty
short, to me. It's far more impressive to live
at 80% 100% of the time, then to go 99% once or twice throughout
your entire existence. When I've tried to do is, is
live pretty much 80%, Like, I find that making eighty percent,
you know, that that's more or less sustainable in my eyes be
80% and then do things like this.
Like the four by four by forty eight.
I mean, that, 100% for us because we didn't die.
We're still here breathing but that was, I don't know. 90%,
maybe. So if you're Livin Life 80% but
then you've got, you know, moments in time, you know a
couple times throughout the year where you go to 90 95 percent
and you really figure out what you're made of.
That makes what at that point, as 80% being sustainable, it
just UPS the ante a little bit so that you know next time your
current 80% is actually 85% going forward and I feel like if
you do Ooh, that repetitively over the course of your
existence. What you find to be sustainable
and scalable. Just continues to improve and I
feel like that should be all over goal.
If, you know, I mean, everybody knows if they're pushing it or
if they're not like whenever I go too long without really
pushing it, I feel guilty, like, I feel bad.
That's why I do something like this chance.
Why do something like, write in the books?
Why do something that's outside of my normal area of comfort.
But we all know if we push ourselves are not and you know
what, my level of perspective is.
What is hard is going to be different for anybody else?
But we all inherently know, if we're doing it right or doing it
wrong, and you got to have enough self awareness and be
honest with yourself and then adjust and act.
Accordingly. That's the Josh waitzkin.
He wrote the, the art of learning.
And he's a Peak Performance coach for like, the most
impressive, you know, hedge fund managers in the world.
He's got four different interviews on Tim Ferriss show,
amazing guy, right? He says that in the progression
to Excellence, it is a marathon. And it is a Sprint.
It is a marathon of Sprints. And that's what you're talking
about is like I know the 80% is right to the point where it
forces me to adapt, but not to the point where I'm breaking my
legs. Every time I do squats and even
then, I found coaching different people, you have a person who's
like an incredible achiever in business and then they get
corroborated by that behavior because of society and they go.
Oh, look at this, entrepreneur change in the world doing all
these things. And they think that unless
they're going on a thousand percent in that area.
All the time that they're not doing enough.
They also fear because they're doing well in one area, but
their physical fitness, maybe it's not great.
The person relationships probably not their meditation
components or spirituality belief systems
self-introspection non-existent and they fear that if they pull
back even a little bit on this one area of business and pushing
that is going to stop them, but that's going to be their Edge,
but you have to remember that the edge Cuts both ways.
And what I found that is by giving them the capacity to pull
back, just a little bit in this one area and give more attention
to their family, to their relationships, their their
physicality, their diet fasting, keto stuff and their ability to
actually have some self introspection when these areas
elevate. It takes where they used to be,
even if it's pulled back and makes everything Elevate again
and again, and again. And now Well, there's this Joy.
Now, this is there's a satisfaction that they were
afraid to allow themselves to feel in the process.
And I know that may sound deep, but if you're doing anything,
whether it be, and you're a leader, anybody, this listen,
this is a leader in some way, whether you're a parent, whether
you're a person that somebody looks up to it work, whether you
own a multi-billion dollar company, if you understand that
and you understand that you have to evolve and change and that
means again some of your characteristics have to evolve
and change your T to recognize things in yourself.
Here's the thing. People think the empathy is this
like, soft fluffy word, but empathy is so key.
Because if I have a team member and I don't have the
intelligence to understand that to be empathetic to them, and
see that they're either going through something or the, what
I'm asking them is too much, or that they're confused or that
I'm not clear enough on what I want from them.
That's called pragmatic empathy. If I can't sense that that I'm
letting them down. I talked about it before, how if
A leader of a company and I'm talking about.
Let's go kill it. Let's go drag it back to the
from the cave and let's do all this stuff.
And you have half the companies like, yeah.
And the other half, the company is like, this sounds like it's
going to be a lot more work in this going to be a lot more
headache for us. And it feels like we're not
going to get, you know, enough recognition for this now, unless
unintentionally, you divided your company.
Hmm, and now you're sending mixed signals and now by not
having that empathy by being aware to just be a To read the
room. It actually holds you back.
It puts one arm behind your back.
But if you can reach people and say, listen, you guys are
amazing. You're the reason why we're able
to do this to a few people and operations.
You people and fulfillment. You guys are going above and
beyond and we can't thank you enough.
As a matter of fact, our sales team has to step it up because
they can't keep up with you. And now the sales team gets a
kick in the ass, which is people that are in that Arena usually
like a little bit of fire and then the people that are on the
other side, feel valued, they feel heard, they feel Seen.
And if they can have that, now you've helped everybody and now
that you've given that message on both sides and now you say
together as a team as a company. This is how we get to the next
level. What we're doing matters.
What we're doing is changing lives.
You making keto bricks literally is changing, people's lives.
Tom bill, you talked about it, his whole idea was this notion
with Quest, was to have a food bar or any kind of food that was
actually decent for you, good for you, but also metabolically
advantageous while tasting good. The same thing that Peter Brooks
like I recommend him to everybody.
I mean, especially with what we were doing, right?
Like, what do you say? I'm like, listen.
I'm tired. I'm going to get two bites of
this cuter brick, and I'm going to lay down, I get a couple
hundred calories are just high, quality nutrients, that's going
to feed me. That's going to help me recover.
The best. My capacity going to give me the
good fast to lubricate my joints to keep my cognition where it
needs to be and I can give those to people that are Hunters.
People that are hikers people that are any kind of Outdoors
person because even in A crisis by Easter, he talks about when
they would go hunting in like Alaska.
They were eating just like crappy, you know, granola bars
that were 200 calories of pH and he was like, you have to eat
four or five of those things even felony for my satisfaction.
But eating one key to break of yours is 1000 quality calories.
I mean, come on, man. You can put two or three of
those in your rucksack and you're good and hopefully you
get a bison or something to actually be able to eat, but if
you don't you have enough to keep you going.
And that's why what you do matters.
That's why the way that You lead everybody, and when you have
that, sort of gravity and knowledge, and every decision
that you make it forces, you to make better decisions.
So again, you're putting yourself in that place of having
to do the right thing. You don't have the option of
slacking. You don't have the option of
falling back. Because if you're a leader and
you're not leading by example, you're just setting a bad
example. Yeah, everybody's watching you
and the one time that they see you.
Slack is a leader. If you have people over here
that are working their ass off and then they think that you're
not giving enough. They're always going to remember
that that snapshot in their mind and other like Will Robertson
there, you know, with his feet, kicked up, not do anything.
They're only going to give about 75% of what your hundred percent
is and we can't expect everybody to lead or or had the same
vision that we do. But when you hire quality
people, they love what this mesh is about.
They love what your vision is and that's what will keep you
going. Again, when you hit the stick
and get stuck in the mud sometimes.
Yeah, I think, you know how the saying, how you do anything?
Everything comes to mind as you're as you're saying that
because I feel like no job is beneath me and that transcends
the business. But everything.
I mean like I want to take pride in every single thing.
I do. Whether it's sweeping the
freakin break room floor or having a you know, big sales
call with a potential client, it all matters and how you do
anything is how you do everything.
And I see so many people, half-ass an area of their life
that they don't feel. It's very important and then
they Promise that they're going to be freaking stellar and other
areas, but to me if I see you half-ass anything.
I'm assume that your ability to have fast.
Everything is Amplified as well. So I really look for for that
attribute in people, you know, like taking pride in everything
you do. No matter how insignificant
seemingly insignificant the task is another thing.
I don't want to forget because you'll be bringing another
bounce, you know, if you like your salesperson example, like
if they remove a little bit in that one area to add to other
areas and then Raises All Ships, I think.
I think that is one key attribute of a marriage believe
it or not. So like crystal is very
different than me that we were raised very differently.
Everything is very different. You're recently married as well
to Rachel. And y'all are very different.
But I think when you, when you're married to somebody who
is different than you, which everybody's different from one
another, in some form of fashion.
It really sheds, light on to all these different pillars of your
life and it forces you to open your eyes as to where things may
be lacking. I mean, before, before I had her
in my life, my ability to just go full bore towards business
was there. But everything else suffered in
having her and giving her equal importance to anything that I'm
doing, like it's not like I can look at life and be like, okay.
This is the things that I want to do and then the bank burners,
all these things across the wants to do, I have to literally
look at it through the lens of look, anything that she wants is
just as important as anything I want.
And when I have this equality towards off her desires, it's
like, it's not fair for me to half-ass her, her, you know,
wishes in order to fulfill my own.
They have to all be, you know, in sync.
So viewing the life with this symbiotic lens.
Now, in which, case everything that I do and spend time on
benefits, the whole everything I do and spend time on benefits
her whole and that we've got a baby on the way, you know, that
being for Forefront of my mind like that to me is Is what is
the benefit of having a marriage?
Having a family? Having something that brings
other people into your life? To the point where like you have
to be aware of how you cannot. Just focus singularly on one
thing because everything else will crumble.
And so many people go through life only focused on one thing,
and they in their accepting of other things crumbling, but to
me, like, if you had a hundred percent in 11 pillar and
everything else is at 10%, then you are not winning, you are not
sick. Eating.
I mean, that that is failing. I mean, there's so many more
attributes of life than just one singular notion.
So, get a little abstract here, but, but having her in my life,
basically summarize, all this is has been one of the most
beneficial things for me for the business, which if you were to
ask me that, you know, ten years ago before I ever met her, I
probably be like, no, like, I just need to do this.
So money to this by myself. I mean, if I'm by myself, I
could focus on everything that I want to focus on wholeheartedly.
But having people inside, Your life that that are not.
You that think different than you has been nothing but
advantageous for me. It's everything and we were
talking about again. People that push really hard in
business. Lots of times they do that
because they don't want to deal with the anxiety of other parts
of their life. You don't have to look at that.
But as you say, when you have a fulfillment from a relationship,
when you understand that every decision you make affects her
and your child. It gives you a lot.
There's the stakes are much higher and it makes you again,
it makes you truly 80/20 like the 80/20 principle, prevails
principle is 20% of your actions create 80% of your outcomes.
Now, our base heard that, as you've read tempers his bookie,
we've all heard that, but nobody's actually putting that
into play like all these Concepts.
All these things were talking about.
If they would just be surgical with that and look at every area
of their life and say, okay. What's my priority?
What's really important? Again, her your business, the
child, that's on the way and then say no bullshit.
What's the most important thing to do here?
When I'm tired, when you're in any, any state you have to ask
yourself. What do I do?
Well in this state, so if you're tired, what I do, well is I'm
able to quickly hack away stuff. That's not important if I look
at my schedule and I'm like, listen.
I have a client called I have this.
And then, there are these other things that are sort of
Superfluous. I immediately cut those things
out because of my fatigue level and I have to be completely
present to that person to that client to give them everything.
Hmm. I owe it to them to do the best
that I can. I owe it to them to make them a
better person. Every time we're off that call.
But if I'm trying to do a bunch of other things, in addition to
that, again, it's that drain. So, it's so important to really
have that that notion of Just because I do something really
well, here doesn't mean that I can't apply that to other areas
and frankly. If you're not, like I can tell
entrepreneurially where somebody is in their development by how
much they talk about these things outside the business
because it all they're talking about is grinding and how I
crush this and I just made a 20,000 dollar deal here to, or a
million-dollar deal. Whatever it is.
That's a person that shows me that they are not secure enough
in their financial Financial components to be able to talk
about their wife, their kids, what they just did, what they
want to do. What?
Their hobbies are. It's almost like in martial
arts. When?
I went to a Tony, I spoke at Tony Bowers event last summer,
in Orlando, to all of his instructors.
And you will see some younger guys, sort of in the corner, and
they've got like their blades out and they're comparing
blades. And oh, I, this is the way I
see. This is why I use this one to do
different things. And I'm over there talking to
Tony and we're just talking about life, and he kind of looks
over and I look over at him to at the people that were there
and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just shows that
there are different places of development.
Those were guys that were just kind of new to this Arena to
this idea of carrying a weapon being responsible for a weapon,
what it would take when you to a place.
Where that's You've done that in your, you've kind of Master.
That idea. You don't have to continually
talk about it. You don't have to pontificate
about it. You can just do other things
because you feel secure in this, whether it be in your business
space, whether it be in your personal relationships Pace,
even your spiritual space, you know, that's how we can get to
the next place. But if we feel like we're in
adequate in those areas, were always going to try to beat our
chest and round that. Yeah, we're talking about that
kind of indirectly order today. And balance the clothes we wear.
Where, you know, like I used to, I see like really take a lot of
pride in the clothes in my wardrobe.
And now we're freakin shorts tennis shoes and a shirt every
day. You know, it's like when you're
super confident who you are as a person, the need to feel
impressive to others is non-existent.
Like, I know who I am. Have enough self awareness to be
proud of who I am, and I don't have to like wonder what people
think about me. I just simply present, myself,
confidently and accordingly. And then the people that are
drawn To the vibe the Persona that I put off it.
I mean that's Mutual, you know, like when you're not so worried
about what people think and you just simply living your life to
the fullest because you're proud of who you are.
And you love the life, you're living.
I mean people can like pick up on that instantly.
They see it in the spark, in your eye.
They see it in the vibe, you put off and honestly, it's so much
less exhausting because you have to constantly be masquerading
around. If somebody you're not, I mean,
the people that are doing the whole fake, it till you, make it
concept like that. That's super popular in the
business terminology. Is that like a you got to just
fake it till you make it like be I mean, I'm all for living life
as if you were like if you are not where you want to be then
live life like you were there. There's probably a better way to
say that but like, you know, put into action that the person that
you want to because that will replicate and become that
person. But not to the extent that
you're having to mask right at somebody that you're not and you
know, it took me a long time to have enough stuff for us to be
able to do that. But now that I do it's like it's
liberating because I don't have to expend so much energy.
In somebody that I'm not and people know if they're in that
spot still. I think we all probably go to
that spot at one phase or another in the beginning,
especially but getting to a point where you don't have to do
that is that that's where you want to be.
For sure. There's that it's a meme and
it's a Jay Z. When he was like, broke and he
had, like, the all the fake chains and like all the fake
bling, you know, wearing a fake Rolex and stuff trying to create
this Persona and then it shows him now he's worth, you know,
billions of dollars, I guess. And what?
I'm wearing a black T-shirt or a black, you know, long, Sleek
kind of t-shirt, 0 jewelry, just very subtle.
And like you said, that's where that's where you're out.
When you're at this place of feeling confident.
You don't have to feel this idea of putting on airs for other
people and and frankly, the people that are, you know,
judging you or whatever. It is, their opinion, doesn't
matter. Anyway, the people that are
trying to push stuff on you, the hardest of the ones that
actually matter the least. So if you don't like what I
wear, that's great, like I was telling you it's like And my let
and Andy Priscilla, talk about that in art, a, they were like,
the people that have suits are hired and paid by the guys that
wear the t-shirt and the jeans. And he's talked about where he
just works like a black T-shirt jeans.
And like, you know, black Converse.
He'll get his Lambo with his wife and they go have dinner.
But if you just saw them walking to the restaurant, you know,
he's all tied up and all this stuff.
You'd be like, who's this guy? We, he doesn't have enough
money, even, you know, get a seat here, but yet when people
know him, all of a sudden, it's like You see em.
Hey blah, blah blah blah blah. So it's very much about having
that quality over quantity. Right?
100%. Okay.
Well, shoot. I know you got a client called
coming up. I don't take all your day here,
any parting thoughts? What's coming in the pipeline
for Humanity and he crazy physical or mental Endeavors
coming? Yeah.
I'm doing the SEAL Fit. Kokoro Crucible event and at the
end of April, beginning of May. So that's 50 hours straight.
There's no sleep. And what they're doing is, it's
not a, it's not hell. It's not how weak, you know, it
by any stretch of the imagination but it's a
simulation for civilians to have sort of that feel.
So you're being trained by actual seals in real time and
it's everything from coal, you know, ice baths to water torture
and the surf to doing Ruck, marches all night to carrying
the boats log PT, you know, all and probably a million other
things that I'm not even aware of, but that for me again, this
four by four by forty eight was a good gut.
Check to show me what I could work on.
And I know that again, I leveled up from doing the four by four
by forty eight with you. Just recently.
I know that I'll also level up tremendously because I learned
about it from from Heather Perillo.
The one that was on your show. She's amazing and being in a
place after that I know is going to give me a lot of What I have
found is that the higher that I Elevate myself the better
quality clientele, I can attract the better.
I can serve them. So for me, this is a great way
not only to improve myself as a person but it improves my
business makes me a better father a better husband all
those things. So that's the big thing that I
have chambered right now. I'll be going to see Jocko in
July and Washington is a thing called the council.
And there's only 20 people invited to it.
So you're going to be in the mountains horseback riding
shooting guns. Manly things while learning
about leadership wallet. Really truly interacting.
And then as in July July and then there's the, my speaking is
my speaking calendars just about full right now.
So after all those things, I'll be traveling a lot doing that
and them just reaching more people on my, get you back on
the podcast. Talk about so fit and your horse
back riding adventures with jock amazing.
Yeah, man, that of the begin. I mean, I've always, I've always
respected appreciated. You brought the table from an
intellectual standpoint from a mindset and growth mindset
standpoint. I mean you just freaking good
dude, man. Like you're a good person you
put off Good Vibes and you Empower people in ways, you
don't even know. So, keep doing what you're doing
and what people go to find out more about you.
They can hit me up on Instagram, LinkedIn, Marcus really
Sanderson and then they can go to my website, Marcus, really
samsung.com. If you want to inquire about
speaking, that's cool. If you want inquire about
coaching, that's fine as well. The idea is I'm just trying to
Put out. I'm not on there, you know,
three times a day like Gary Vee. But what I put out I try to make
a quality over quantity, as always, and the goal is used to
help people lean into adversity and understand that it's a gift
because it helps you see where your weaknesses is for shoes,
you to elevate to the level so that you can become the person
that you want to as you were speaking to before, and it's
coming either way. So, either you prepare for it
now, nothing breeds confidence. Like preparation.
Hmm. So if you can prepare for
adversity, now, again the moment.
Amore kind of idea. It makes you feel more confident
knowing that you can not that it's not going to hurt but
knowing that you're strong enough to endure, whatever,
adversity those of you. When I've always wanted to ask
you about, never ask you this when when your parents named you
marks for the Anderson. They like sit you down.
After you're old enough to comprehend what they were saying
about, look, you're going to be this big mindset.
Guys, some point. This is what your name means.
This is who you're named after. Just prepare yourself a quarter.
How'd that pan out? My grandfather is the one that
named me. I was born on the same day that
he was. So that was my, my father's gift
to his father to name me. And I had no clue who Marcus
Aurelius was. When I was 11.
I went and bought his book meditations.
This is back before the internet.
I'm 50 years old, guys, and I tried to read the book.
And for those of you that haven't read meditations.
It's a journal that Marcus Aurelius kept while he was on
the front lines and the dramatic Wars.
So it was basically him writing down things like, you know, is
this what you so feared if it's in durable than endure it and
the first part like heat, the first two pages.
He's talking about from my father.
I learned this from my uncle. I learned this from this person.
I learned this, it didn't really read well for an 11 year old and
it uses a lot of the D, thou doth Uncle stuff.
And I was like, this is way over my head.
I don't even like this guy. What the hell am I named after
him about? Because when they would tell me
who he was as a kid? I don't know what an emperor is.
They just said, he's like a king and Me.
I was like, I don't feel like a king.
I actually went by Mark for most of my younger age, because even
Marcus felt like it was too much gravity for that name, but
through that stoicism it led me to taoism.
Because when I went back to the next day, to get a different
book by Marcus rules are, like that's the only book that he's
gone. As I'm walking down the
philosophy section. I see the daodejing faced out
with a Chinese characters on it, which reminded me of the
characters in my martial art school.
I opened that book up. And the first thing that I saw
was it was its only 83 pages is 33 chapters right there just
like little koans almost and the book when I open it up and said,
if you continue to sharpen your blade, it will go blunt.
And even at 11, I was like, okay, I get that, that makes
sense. So, I was able to read that and
that led me to better understand that became my gateway to
understand stoicism later and Zen.
And what I've learned now is that these higher levels, all
these things are teaching the same thing, right?
Well, Your philosophy or religion, the great ones, teach
certain things without any Dogma attached to them.
So I didn't really start using the name until after I was hurt,
come sort of reborn and frankly Marcus Aurelius is words and
Steven pressfield's words and a lot of these words were going
through my mind when I was injured and it sounds like a
bunch of Flowery bullshit when you're hurt and you can't walk.
And it's like, it's easy for you to say, if it's in durable than
endure it. But once I got to a place where
I could find that, Septon, stop denying what was going on and
saying? Okay.
So what now? What is this is my life and I
assume that this is it. What am I going to do now?
It's pretty cool, man. Well, you've certainly earned
the name for sure. I mean, I'm sure Marcus ready to
be looking up at you and be like, man.
I want a name if this guy loved it, man.
Love what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing.
Keep being alone out there, and I definitely feel listen to this
follow along. Make sure you're following along
with his content for sure. And until we meet again man,
always a pleasure. Absolutely brother.
Always a pleasure. Thank you saying brother.
See you.