1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 Well, hello ladies and gents Robert Sykes kilo Savage.com. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,900 And today, I've got special guest Laura speth on the line 3 00:00:04,900 --> 00:00:07,800 and we're done, we're going to dive into all things carnivore. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,900 She has lost over 100 pounds of honey. 5 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:12,200 A carnivore diet. She has seen great success. 6 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:14,400 Alongside her normal day-to-day activities. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,100 She's got two kids, she's got a job. 8 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,500 She's got all the things that everyday people have. 9 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:21,600 And she hasn't let that result in a bunch of excuses to why she 10 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,100 can't turn her health around, improve her day-to-day being. 11 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:27,500 So, we dive into how she's seen. So much success with a carnivore 12 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:28,100 diet. What? 13 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,400 She's done its work to what she's done. 14 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,200 That hasn't worked. Worked and how she's made it 15 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,000 sustainable for her. So, without further Ado, sit 16 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:46,400 back, relax. Enjoy the podcast with Laura and 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,800 we are live. Laura, how are you? 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,700 I'm doing great. How are you? 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,500 I'm doing wonderfully. Well, we met at Judy chose 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,000 carnivore. Meetup was about a month ago 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,400 now, I guess. Yeah. 22 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,000 A couple of months actually taught you listen. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,300 You've been a little busy. Been a couple months, I know 24 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,800 time doesn't make sense when you when you have a kid. 25 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,300 So yeah, it's got it was great to meet you in person. 26 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,900 Finally, I've heard so much about you through the, you know, 27 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:12,300 keto space and through your book and your products. 28 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:13,700 And so it was great to meet you in person. 29 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,000 Yeah, for sure. We all had dinner afterwards and 30 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,500 I'm pretty pretty strict on who I bring on the podcast. 31 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,800 But I knew that I had to have you on the podcast, when we're 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,700 sitting there for dinner and we all order steaks, first of all. 33 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:28,700 But then you pull out this little travel container with 34 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,200 like 15 different Compartments in it with butter, and a 35 00:01:32,208 --> 00:01:34,400 different type of salt for every occasion. 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Some, okay? That's the person I got to have 37 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,500 on the podcast, so here you are. Yeah, I'm very specific with my 38 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:43,900 salts for the type of meat that I'm eating, and I travel so much 39 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:46,000 that I got to bring it with me. Like, you have to make this 40 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 sustainable. Especially when I travel. 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,300 I got to make it work and enjoy my food. 42 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 No, 100% 100%. So you have been carnivore now, 43 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,000 for how long total? So, for years, I guess a little 44 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 over four years ago I started Quito and And really didn't know 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,800 about carnivore. It took a few months to 46 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,000 transition to and learn about carnivore and kind of transition 47 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,199 over to a fully carnivore diet, but kind of the big boom that 48 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:12,800 everybody was doing in 2018. I'm starting keto, I definitely 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,000 got caught up in that which was ended up being the best thing 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,900 that ever happened to me. Yeah, totally. 51 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:21,100 And in that time, you've lost like over 100 pounds, right? 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Yeah. So, originally, I mean, I lost 53 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,600 120 pounds in less than a year lightning quick. 54 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,700 I was just like, never. It was my number one priority 55 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:31,500 was Is getting healthy getting back. 56 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,500 You know, getting my health back losing weight and then, you 57 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:37,600 know, like most people have dealt with some fluctuations 58 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,800 since then. So I'm about 100 pounds down now 59 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,800 from where I was in the beginning or for my highest 60 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,100 weight, which is I think this is a much better place for me to be 61 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:48,200 staying and like still be able to live my, you know, a regular 62 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Life's, a carnivore and not have to have like, you know, we have 63 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,700 to make Health work with our lifestyle and it can't be our 64 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,800 number one, priority forever and I work a full-time job. 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,100 I have a family I think making it your biggest priority when 66 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:07,800 you are reversing some crazy. Terrible damage is so necessary 67 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 but then you got to find a place that you can just live and have 68 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,100 what you is a normal life for you. 69 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:17,000 Yeah, 100% agree. I feel like sustainability is of 70 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,500 Paramount importance, no matter what diet you're following. 71 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,800 And I love talking to people, like yourself that are seeing a 72 00:03:22,808 --> 00:03:25,100 lot of success with a very specific that they've turned 73 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:27,900 into a lifestyle. And they've just adhered to for, 74 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:29,800 you know, months on end years on end. 75 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,600 Because right now, especially in the space. 76 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,300 There's a there's a lot of turmoil in the keto carnivore 77 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:35,600 space. It seems like everybody's 78 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:38,300 Jumping Ship almost because the grass is greener. 79 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:40,200 On the other side here, I am just kind of scratching my head 80 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,700 like, hey, it's still working, pretty dang good for me so I 81 00:03:42,708 --> 00:03:45,100 don't know what she'll is problem is, but it seems to be 82 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,400 working pretty well for you as well. 83 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,700 Yeah. And I think it's because so many 84 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:52,600 people turn it into this, you know, crazy intensity. 85 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,800 That it's really hard to sustain that type of perfection or 86 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,300 optimization, you know, I couldn't have Stained. 87 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:04,500 What I was doing originally of, you know, not eating out, eating 88 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:07,700 at home, ICE, very specific fasting Windows, my very 89 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:10,400 specific fasting regimen. I ended up, you know, then 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,800 adding exercise at the end and I was doing an exercise that took 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,899 a lot of time every week. Like, those things were just not 92 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:19,700 sustainable for me, and I think, sometimes people think we'll, 93 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:22,600 this isn't sustainable and so they jump to like, what's the 94 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,800 next step? Or the next thing that's going 95 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,100 to be easy for me to maintain and it's ends up being something 96 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:31,800 completely different. Or, you know, myself too. 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,600 I went too hard for too long and some of the issues that I was 98 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,600 having near the end was that I had lost too much weight, you 99 00:04:38,608 --> 00:04:41,700 know, I was fasting too much still and still really 100 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:45,800 exercising, and, you know, really being aware of all of my 101 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,000 calories and limiting, some extra fat content because I was 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,700 afraid of weight gain. And when I was doing things that 103 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:56,400 intensely and that hard, I did start having some hormone dips 104 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,600 and some issues. The problem wasn't the diet it 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,100 was I was just going to hard on it, like it was me and the way 106 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:06,900 that I was approaching it, I had to kind of really just chillax a 107 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:10,000 little bit and eat more often stop being. 108 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,600 So obsessive about my fasting Windows stop, you know, 109 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,100 exercising that intensely when I was fasting so much and just 110 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:20,500 kind of let my body heal and find its natural Rhythm. 111 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:22,700 And, you know, like, you know what, the bodybuilding world. 112 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:24,900 You can't maintain Peak Week all the time. 113 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,500 You would have major health issues and I think sometimes 114 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:31,500 people get into those niche, Cities and try to make contain 115 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:35,300 that for a long period of time and then it's not great for your 116 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:36,700 health. And so then they find something 117 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,600 else, they add the fruit, they add carbs and then all of a 118 00:05:39,608 --> 00:05:41,800 sudden, they're getting his energy back really because they 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 were kind of going to hard the other direction. 120 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,700 Yeah, 100% agree. I feel like. 121 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,100 I feel like so many people come to quito for weight loss and 122 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:52,300 when they associate something weight loss, they associated 123 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:55,400 with dieting down or reducing their intake and drop in their 124 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,800 calories. And I think that's great. 125 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,700 I feel like there's so many benefits to be had. 126 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,700 With regard to fasting, both intermittent fasting, and 127 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:05,600 extended fasting, there's benefits behind with being in a 128 00:06:05,608 --> 00:06:08,800 caloric deficit, but you have to have this opposite side of the 129 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 spectrum, and have a period in a surplus, or at least a healthy 130 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,600 maintenance as well, or else you just constantly, you know, 131 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,700 digging your hole, deeper and deeper and deeper and no matter 132 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:20,900 what that you're following a few don't balance out that period of 133 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:22,900 being in a deficit with a period of being in a healthy 134 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:27,300 maintenance, at least ideally a slight Surplus, then the diet's 135 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:29,700 going to fail. Yeah absolutely. 136 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:32,700 And that was my issue to I lost so much weight so fast and my 137 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:36,500 body was just honestly just needed some time to stabilize 138 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:39,800 and I needed to like maintain a stable weight, which I hadn't 139 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,300 really done in my whole life. I had always been on this weight 140 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:46,500 roller, coaster of gaining and losing 20 30 50 pounds, back and 141 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:48,400 forth. And so having this radical 142 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,600 weight loss so fast. My body was like, okay, hang on 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,600 a second, we got to survive because we don't know when 144 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,400 you're going to stop losing weight and it took kind of, you 145 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,500 know, ten pounds of weight gain. Then stabilizing that for about 146 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:03,100 a year before my hormones, really leveled out. 147 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:05,700 And before you know, my hair quit falling out. 148 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 And I started just really having that like major energy once I 149 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,200 quit living in that deficit all the time. 150 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:14,200 Yeah. 100%. I love to kind of pull the 151 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,700 curtain back on what you were doing before you found keto and 152 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:20,100 carnivore that kind of led to you gaining the weight in the 153 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:21,400 first place. So what was that chapter in your 154 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,200 life looking like, you know, it was just eating a lot all the 155 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,200 time Non-Stop and you know, Oh, I kind of usually say, I live on 156 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,600 lived on fast, food, and gas station food. 157 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:35,900 You know, I would stop at the gas station in the morning on my 158 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:39,500 way to work and I would grab a breakfast tuxedo and a bunch of 159 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:40,900 snacks. I'd spend like, you know, I'm 160 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:44,100 sure like 20 bucks or whatever on like the hostess white, 161 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:46,500 powdered donuts and a bunch of snacks that I knew I was going 162 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:51,800 to eat during the day, my big giant soda and go to work and 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,600 I'll probably would stop a Chick-fil-A for breakfast as a 164 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,900 second breakfast. Sometimes and I would always For 165 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:01,200 lunch with coworkers, we go to some kind of fast food for 166 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,100 lunch, come home at night and make dinner with the family, 167 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:08,500 which was maybe it some meat but like, obviously carbs and pasta 168 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:10,600 and or something to go along with it. 169 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,300 And then the kids would go to bed at night and I would have a 170 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:17,600 pint of Ben & Jerry's and like, it's, I sound like I'm 171 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,800 exaggerating but I'm absolutely not. 172 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,600 There are many times many, many times more often than not that I 173 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,400 would eat fast, food twice a day including, and in addition to 174 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,400 that, have the gas station Axe and a full carb dinner and have 175 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:36,900 a desert at night and I just have always been this kind of 176 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:40,000 All or Nothing person where I could go on a diet lose 20 177 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,400 pounds, reward myself with a cheat day and gained back 30. 178 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,700 I just couldn't figure out how people were able to like have a 179 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:50,600 cheat day every Friday night and then still like maintain this 180 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,500 healthy diet, the rest of the time, I just couldn't function 181 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,900 that way. I wasn't capable of that, you 182 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:58,600 know, Friday night, cheat day turned into like three months. 183 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Later. I'm trying to get myself back on 184 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,900 track again. Yeah I think there's a there's a 185 00:09:02,908 --> 00:09:06,200 big conversation to be had with regard to the people that are 186 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:09,000 more suited for moderating their intake with certain foods and 187 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,200 those that are just simply better off eliminating certain 188 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,300 foods. And I feel like a lot of people 189 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:15,500 that are drawn to the keto corner of our way of living are 190 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:18,400 probably Naturally Fit, you know, eliminators more. 191 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,900 So the moderators because if you're going to do, you're going 192 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:23,800 to Corner for your more or less eliminating an entire 193 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,200 macronutrient, maybe not in its entirety, especially if you're 194 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,000 keto. But all in all I mean you're not 195 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,200 eating near the Carbohydrate content that you were 196 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,100 previously. So for all intents and purposes, 197 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,200 you could just say, hey, I'm eliminating, this macronutrient 198 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,500 group and a lot of people in the, you know, bro, science 199 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:40,200 Community, or the flexible dieting, If It Fits your Macros 200 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,600 space, they view that as incredibly unhealthy. 201 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:45,000 And that if you can't moderate, then you're doing something 202 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,100 wrong. You got some psychological 203 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:48,800 issues, but I feel like there's so many people that are finally 204 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,700 tapping into their full potential because they've found 205 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,900 what works for them. And that is by eliminating an 206 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,500 entire macronutrient group. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 207 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:01,200 I think I spent so many I was just thinking I was broken for 208 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,100 not being able to have a half of a cookie, like I would watch my 209 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:07,900 co-workers, eat that half of a desert and then or half the 210 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:09,700 donut and then put it back and walk away. 211 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:13,400 And my mind is like screaming, like he's eat the rest of it, 212 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,900 you know, and like kind of obsessively thinking about it 213 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:19,200 and I just thought that it was it was me and that I was broken. 214 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,200 And it wasn't really until like sharing my story and kind of 215 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 sharing those feelings and thoughts out loud that I 216 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,900 realized how many other people are struggling with it. 217 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:30,700 And I think that If anything, this entire movement of people 218 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:35,900 turning this kilo or carnivore into a lifestyle has made it 219 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:41,700 normalize that broken, I guess or the abstainer need for your 220 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:43,700 relationship with food. Like, we're not broken, I guess, 221 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:47,200 just because what we see, we think that the common thing is 222 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,700 for people to be able to like have some dessert occasionally 223 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,000 and then not stress them out. I think number one, we don't 224 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,700 know what people are really dealing with. 225 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,700 And if nothing else sharing my life, online has taught me that, 226 00:10:57,700 --> 00:10:59,800 like, so many. Might look like they have it all 227 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,100 together, but they're the, they're really struggling behind 228 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,800 the scenes, like we really don't know what we see when we watch 229 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,000 our co-workers interacting with food. 230 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,200 Hmm. But also that it's not just 231 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,300 because we think something is common doesn't mean it's normal 232 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:16,800 and we don't have to feel alone in dealing with that or and I 233 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,800 don't have to feel bad about, you know, I've given myself that 234 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Grace and that freedom to say like it's okay that you can't 235 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,800 regulate it. Stop trying to fix that and just 236 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,400 avoid it completely because that's way easier for me to 237 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,000 avoid Desserts and carbs and sugar than it is to try to just 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,200 have a small amount and I don't have to try to force myself to 239 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:36,400 moderate those things anymore. Yeah. 240 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,600 I feel like a lot of people struggle with that because they 241 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,000 feel like they're inherently missing something by removing 242 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,300 that food group and maybe it's because they feel you're missing 243 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,900 something from like a psychological standpoint of, you 244 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:50,900 know, hey you know, you only live life once maybe you should 245 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:53,400 be able to justify eating like this one occasion and some 246 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,200 people feel like they're missing out from a performance 247 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,200 optimization standpoint. There's a lot of athletes that 248 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,000 They're just simply not going to perform at an elite level 249 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,100 without carbohydrates and sugar coursing through their veins. 250 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:08,700 And I feel like once you tap into this truly, you know, deep 251 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:12,200 state of meditation and you recognize that you can excel in 252 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,300 the complete absence of dietary carbohydrates, you don't have 253 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,800 that constant nagging concern in the back of your mind of, hey, 254 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,400 am I leaving something on the table by not having 255 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,500 carbohydrates. So that's been the message that 256 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,000 I've tried to spread personally, like if you can complete an 257 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,200 elite level without carbohydrates, there's no. 258 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:29,700 No. Need to feel like you're missing 259 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,000 out from a performance standpoint from a psychological 260 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 standpoint. That's going to be kind of, you 261 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,100 know, where you fall in that elimination versus moderation 262 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:37,200 spectrum. And everyone's going to be a 263 00:12:37,208 --> 00:12:38,500 little bit different in that regard. 264 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Yeah. And from an emotional standpoint 265 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,900 like is it really healthy that I was using food to sue those 266 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:47,500 emotions in the first place? I think that you know we it's 267 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:50,200 called comfort food for a reason because people eat these things 268 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,700 and it supposedly makes them feel better, but in the end it 269 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:55,900 really just ended up making me feel terrible and that brief 270 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:59,800 moment of that emotional high is Enough to sustain like the 271 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,400 damage that it was doing to my body. 272 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,400 And it doesn't mean that there's not a grieving process that goes 273 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,300 along with it. Like I can't say that I've 274 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:11,000 always liked thrilled to never eat dessert again. 275 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,800 And I know I can't handle it and I actually, I feel so much 276 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,200 better without it. I push through those moments, 277 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:19,400 but it's okay to acknowledge that like you feel sad about it 278 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:23,000 and try to remind yourself, why? You're not having it and the 279 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,300 benefits of it. But, you know, there's, I'm I'm 280 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:27,800 with you on that. I think people just try to 281 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,400 convince Themselves, sometimes that they need it, whether it's 282 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,800 for performance or health or emotional reasons, mainly just 283 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,500 because they miss having it, and it's a, it's an emotional 284 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:38,300 connection thing. Yeah, I agree. 285 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 So, how did you stumble upon keto corner? 286 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Where the first place? What was the Catalyst for that 287 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,600 shift in Direction? You know, we were big fans of 288 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,400 Jordan Pederson at the time, his first book told roles of life 289 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,900 like kind of Chris. And I were in this fonk, we just 290 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,200 had had kids. We had, you know, a newborn and 291 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,100 a toddler. It's just that crazy time in 292 00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:00,800 your life, Chris Also had just recently, he's my husband who 293 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,600 had really dealt with a, you know, life-threatening Health 294 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,800 scare. He had necrotizing fasciitis, 295 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:11,200 which is flesh-eating, bacteria. I never heard of that, except 296 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 from like Grey's Anatomy before it happened to him. 297 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,900 And that really, you know, the cause of that was because he was 298 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:18,500 so diabetic. But, you know, he had almost 299 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:20,000 died. He was stopped working at the 300 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,900 time, we both were like, really kind of at the lowest point in 301 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:28,500 our lives of feeling terrible, feeling miserable, also feel And 302 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:31,500 unmotivated. And just really, I mean, Super 303 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:35,200 heavy and super miserable in my own skin, and a lot of Jordan 304 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,600 Peterson's message was make your bed like basically get your act 305 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,100 together, get up every morning and make your bed and, you know, 306 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,500 take care of yourself as a big part of that message, and Chris 307 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:49,700 literally got up in the mornings and started like making our bed 308 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:52,900 physically, and he still does it now all these years later and it 309 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:56,200 started this routine of us being able to, like focus more on 310 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,900 ourselves and our health. And we started Doing some deep 311 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:02,600 dives into that. We heard Jordan on Joe Rogan and 312 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,900 he talked about how he had been eating his way to help with his 313 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:06,800 depression. He talked about his daughter 314 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Mikaela who ate this way as well. 315 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,300 And then that kind of led us to the Shaun Baker, Joe Rogan 316 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:14,800 episode. And then really just kind of 317 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,500 that was there. But the second my husband heard 318 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:19,700 that we could do carnivore. He didn't have to eat vegetables 319 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:20,700 anymore. He was like done. 320 00:15:20,700 --> 00:15:21,900 That's it. I'm happy. 321 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,400 This is exactly what I wanted to. 322 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,400 I was obviously much more skeptical and resistant to it 323 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:30,600 thinking, Hi needed, salads, or the spinach or broccoli, and 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,900 Brussels sprouts, and all those things. 325 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:36,700 But, but, you know, the minute that I cut them out of my diet 326 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,200 and I realized that my lifelong digestive issues, instantly 327 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,200 cleared up. And the minute, I had a salad 328 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,100 again, all of those digestive issues came flooding back and 329 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:49,700 the lane like just terrible pain that I had been experiencing for 330 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:53,200 most of my adult life. Instantly went away the minute. 331 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,900 I cut out all the fiber completely and I just had some 332 00:15:56,900 --> 00:16:01,700 really radical healing. Some really miserable digestive 333 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:04,600 issues so that was what sold me on it. 334 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,200 Completely was just how amazing I felt when I cut out the fiber. 335 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,000 And that was basically the transition from Quito to 336 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,700 carnivore for you. Yeah. 337 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:15,600 So we had I mean we had been doing keto cut out a lot of the 338 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,300 processed foods along the way and then we're left with 339 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:22,300 basically like meat and vegetables and nuts and cutting 340 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:24,900 out the meat or the all the vegetables for me was, like, 341 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,000 okay now I'm sold. I totally get it. 342 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,400 I kept probably nuts in a Little while longer and that was just 343 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,500 the you know, macadamia nuts are to addicting. 344 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,700 And from a weight-loss perspective, they weren't 345 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:38,000 working, but as soon as I cut out the macadamia nuts I had 346 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,700 like acne that cleared up and went away. 347 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:42,800 And now if I were to have peanut butter or any kind of nuts, 348 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,900 right now, I instantly get like acne flare-ups and it's from the 349 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:48,000 nuts. And the inflammation that that 350 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,500 causes for me, were my back all wake up in the morning, my back 351 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:54,000 hurts, my skin breaks out. I just get really puffy. 352 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,900 If I have too much, peanut butter or nuts and I can tell 353 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:58,900 that those things are causing Inflation. 354 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:02,100 So I didn't want to be carnivore necessarily. 355 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,300 I kind of just ended up here because I can't handle 356 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:07,400 moderating the sweets and then things like vegetables and nuts. 357 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,099 And some of the other keto products like just have me not 358 00:17:10,099 --> 00:17:11,599 feeling the best. Totally. 359 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:13,200 Yeah. I feel like, you know, a lot of 360 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,200 people cannot handle the vegetation of the nuts at all. 361 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,300 I mean, I personally can eat a pretty good deal of nut or, you 362 00:17:20,308 --> 00:17:22,700 know, plant matter and stuff. I don't really cause I don't 363 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:24,599 prefer it but I can have like, everyone's. 364 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,099 Well, I'll have a big old bowl of Brussels sprouts, you know, 365 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:29,000 sautéed in bacon, grease. Or something like that. 366 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,100 It doesn't really seem to bother me, but some people like 367 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:32,500 yourself. It sounds like you eat that and 368 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,100 it just tearing you up for days. Yeah, absolutely. 369 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:37,900 And so as I do miss something like that, what you just 370 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:40,500 described a big ol pile of Brussel sprouts and some of that 371 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:43,200 stuff sounds great to me a good kind of cabbage slaw or 372 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,600 something. I used to love having those 373 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,300 things. They just don't really love me 374 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:50,300 back and so thankfully, I'm happy eating me and I it's not 375 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:52,800 like I'm feeling restricted, I think if I was living on some 376 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,300 kind of shake or pills or you know, supplements or if I was 377 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,100 living on food, that didn't leave me. 378 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,100 Why'd I would have a lot harder time sticking to it. 379 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:03,000 So that's kind of another reason why carnivore has been good for 380 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,300 me. As far as a lifestyle goes is 381 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:09,000 not only, do I feel great, but I enjoy very much the food that 382 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,600 I'm eating, because I think, at the end of the day, like, if I 383 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,400 didn't enjoy the food, I probably was just go back to 384 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,800 eating the way that I was before. 385 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,000 Totally totally, it's interesting. 386 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,900 You mentioned that, the, the Catalyst for this was Jordan 387 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:23,700 Pederson. I mean, it's curious to think 388 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,200 how many people have learned about carnivore that we're never 389 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,400 anywhere near. The health and nutrition space, 390 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,900 how many people, listen. Jordan Pederson are just 391 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,700 listening to him for like the mindset peace and they stumble 392 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,700 upon a nutritional, you know, tangent that they never even 393 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,400 knew existed simply because they listen to him, which is pretty 394 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600 cool. Yeah, that's exactly where we 395 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,400 were at. We really had never even heard 396 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,200 of any of this nutrition stuff before. 397 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,800 I mean, my husband was type 2 diabetic. 398 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,400 My mom was type 2 diabetic. I was pre-diabetic. 399 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:53,700 My husband had almost died from basically these infections 400 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:57,300 caused by his diabetes and none of us had really ever, ever done 401 00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:00,300 anything outside of Into our normal doctors, our doctors have 402 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:03,900 never given us any advice, and then through Jordan Pederson and 403 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:06,300 finding Shaun Baker, then it was like, wait, there's all this 404 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:08,900 health information out there that we didn't know existed. 405 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:11,500 We found dr. Jason Fung and we really 406 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,800 contribute like dr. Fung to saving my husband and my 407 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,000 mom's lives. When it comes to reversing their 408 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,700 diabetes, understanding fasting, the way that you can regulate 409 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:23,800 your blood sugar, you know, my husband, and my mom and my so we 410 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,800 all off all of our medications we stopped seeing all doctors 411 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,700 completely, you know, We didn't need to go to the doctor anymore 412 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:33,200 and that was the main thing. We just were able to take back 413 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,000 our health ourselves through kind of going down this rabbit 414 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,600 hole. And we didn't even realize this 415 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,900 entire world outside of the mainstream medicine existed 416 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:45,700 without having this, you know, one little it was a very short 417 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:48,000 part of that podcast to like conversation. 418 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:50,700 And I think that that's hopefully, I mean, I think a lot 419 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:53,700 of people have experienced similar Pathways to get here. 420 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:57,600 Yeah, I think, you know, there's so much that that you can 421 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800 benefit from Kito Corner 49. A lot of people try and 422 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,400 overcomplicate it but if you distill it down to its most 423 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,000 simplest form it's pretty freaking simple to adhere to 424 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:06,900 from like a technicality standpoint. 425 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:09,100 There's not a whole lot of things you can mess up if you 426 00:20:09,108 --> 00:20:12,400 simply just you know stick to the basic good quality 427 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,300 wholesome, single ingredient Natural Foods. 428 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,900 Yeah, absolutely. And I think there are ways you 429 00:20:16,908 --> 00:20:19,900 can like optimize and some of that stuff gets a little crazy 430 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:23,800 and it's unfortunate that, you know, even in this space, I 431 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,600 mean, you know, people have to find their own Niche. 432 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,900 They're trying to find their own voice. 433 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,900 They have to Which is supplements are the best for you 434 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,900 and it does get so complicated. When really at the heart of it, 435 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:37,100 it for most people, there are people who have very specific 436 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,000 healing needs serves as another big thing, I know Judy is 437 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600 working on. Now, people have this genetic 438 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,700 predisposition to mold and their bodies just handle mold and 439 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:47,700 toxins differently. That's a different type of 440 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:50,600 person that does need complicated, but I'm the average 441 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,500 overweight obese, sick person in America, who was eating this 442 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:56,400 fast food diet, the average person who's struggling with 443 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,900 their health, all they have to do is just Cut out those things 444 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:02,200 and if we can, you know, normalize that I think that 90% 445 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,100 of America and the world can heal themselves just by simply 446 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:08,100 cutting out all of those processed foods. 447 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:11,400 You don't have to get into the crazy macros and the fact of 448 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,200 protein ratios and your specific fasting Windows. 449 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,400 Like, we just got to get here to the most simple part. 450 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,900 And I think for most people, this is where we need to end up 451 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:23,000 being. We can eat in restaurants and, 452 00:21:23,008 --> 00:21:26,500 you know, eat regular grocery store meat and we can just live 453 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:30,000 normal lives and not have to make take this, you know, fixing 454 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,900 our health. Something that obsesses us 455 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,800 constantly. Yeah, I think it's a classic 456 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,600 example of at the 80/20 analysis like 80% of your benefit. 457 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,400 Your progress comes from 20% of your effort and that 20% and 458 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,300 this context is simply eating wholesome single ingredient meat 459 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:50,000 based foods and skip it on the processed foods and they'll junk 460 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,700 carbohydrates. And that pretty much is going to 461 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:55,600 solve 80% of people problems. Yeah and I think unfortunately 462 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,400 that 80/20 ruled is very common that people About. 463 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,100 But oftentimes, they think it's like, well, it's what I eat, 80% 464 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:04,700 of the time, and then, 20% time I can eat what I want or the 465 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:06,400 90/10. I hear people talking about that 466 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,300 in terms of food. Well, to me, there is no 9010 467 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:12,600 and where I found this to be sustainable, is to keep my food, 468 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,900 dialed in 100%, I don't deviate from what I'm eating. 469 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:19,100 But like other things I can relax on our, My fasting 470 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:22,500 windows, and my macros, and my, you know, all those where I eat 471 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,500 at the restaurant and the quality of meat that I'm 472 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,700 getting, all of those things are flexible to me the night. 473 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:31,600 And that's Where I get into my, you know, 9010 as far as like 474 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,200 90%, perfect and 10% relaxed, it doesn't mean I can eat Snickers 475 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,100 10% of the time or even sweet potatoes or these other types of 476 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,400 fruits and carbs. Because that's to me, what's 477 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,400 going to cause my brain to just want more, and more, and more, 478 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,400 and not be able to moderate that in any way. 479 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,800 So I love the concept of like what we do 90% of time, matters 480 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,100 most, but when what's that? 10% it for me, it can't be carbs 481 00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:00,400 and sugar. It has to More like cheese and 482 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600 ranch, and chicken wings, and that kind of stuff. 483 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,000 Yeah, I think, you know, if you ever have to deviate from your 484 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,400 diet then it's probably not a sustainable diet in the first 485 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,700 place. Like when I look at, you know, 486 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:14,700 what I do with my nutrition, probably pretty similar to what 487 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,900 you do with yours. It's like you don't deviate from 488 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,900 that. Like you don't deviate from 489 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,300 carnivore. You don't deviate from Quito. 490 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:22,400 Whatever. It is that you're doing, you 491 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,100 don't deviate from that but within that you have a lot more 492 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,700 flexibility as far as like, you know, when I'm going to prep, 493 00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:30,700 I'm tracking I can every single thing to the gram for a finite 494 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:34,000 period of time to maximize performance for a very specific 495 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,300 goal but I don't do that 365 days a year because that 496 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:39,200 wouldn't be sustainable that wouldn't be enjoyable. 497 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,100 I wouldn't want to be able to like be hindered by that in my 498 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,500 off season and when I'm not as concerned about coming at 3%, 499 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,700 body fat, then I can go out to a restaurant and eat freely still 500 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,700 always kid Janek foods, but I'm not having to obsess over 501 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:52,900 tracking everything to the ground. 502 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,600 Yeah, absolutely. If I go on vacation, I'm 503 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,000 sticking to carnivore. I just might eat pork. 504 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,100 In sour cream is a snack in the evenings or have like a few 505 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:05,300 snacky things that and some charcuterie and some, you know, 506 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,900 eat in a restaurant and get a bunch of cheese and sour cream 507 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:09,800 on stuff. Those are all things I do to 508 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,000 relax to feel normal to just kind of live my life but if all 509 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,200 the sudden I come home and I'm like, okay, the skills moving 510 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,500 up. I'm feeling a little puffy. 511 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,900 I've obviously been eating out a lot, then I really focus in I 512 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,400 cut out that I really dial things in. 513 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,000 I eat at home, I'm Tighten Up On My fasting window. 514 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,900 I throw in a 48-hour fast Like that's to me where I dial things 515 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,800 back in, but I don't have to do that all the time and that's 516 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,600 where I live. Now, in the way that I am based 517 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,500 on the fact that that's what sustainable for me. 518 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,600 I could probably live 10 or 15 20 pounds thinner. 519 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,100 If I was that intense all the time, but just like you with 520 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,800 prep, like, you can't live that way. 521 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,100 This is a much healthier. Wait for me to be as a woman and 522 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:53,300 then also just from mental stability. 523 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:54,900 You know, sustainability standpoint. 524 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,000 Like, I'm really happy now with a balance, and I don't try Cal 525 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Don't track macros. I eat meat. 526 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,200 That sounds good to me. And maybe every once in a while, 527 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,900 I gotta go. Okay. 528 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:06,400 Let's, let's do a fast this weekend or let's tighten things 529 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,700 up for a couple days and then I get back to feeling better. 530 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,000 Yeah. I feel like that Soph awareness 531 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,200 and that, you know, just connect with your body and what it 532 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600 responds to is, that's the point of empowerment that everybody 533 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,400 should strive for when it comes to nutrition. 534 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800 Like I definitely track everything for that, finite 535 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,000 period of time, but I think the proof the true determining 536 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,100 factor of like legitimate Real health is to be able to be able 537 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:34,400 to maintain a healthy composition effortlessly eating 538 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,600 foods that you look forward to eating in a way that doesn't 539 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,000 create any obsessive, you know, it says of Tendencies around 540 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,100 your food, your friend timing me that stuff like that should be 541 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,300 the Paramount, the Pinnacle, the goal that everybody should 542 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:51,100 strive for and it's a really hard change to have a mindset 543 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,800 switch from like I want to lose weight and I want to be skinny 544 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:58,000 to like I want to be as healthy as my body can be and it's not. 545 00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,000 Something that I can even just say lightly, it's taken me such 546 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800 a long time to get here to say, like, well, I used to be 547 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,700 skinnier now, I also used to be a hundred pounds heavier, but I 548 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:10,700 used to be skinnier two years ago and to not constantly, try 549 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,900 to get back to that weight as something you have to really 550 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:14,900 push out of your head and realize I wasn't actually 551 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,800 healthy at that weight. Like, you know, your hormones 552 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,400 weren't great. When you were that thin and 553 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,100 you're in a much healthier place now. 554 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:25,100 So, it's hard to balance that, but it's I think that's for us 555 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:26,600 to be able to sustain this long-term. 556 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,500 You have to switch that mindset. Set to just wanting to be 557 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,300 healthy and not wanting to be thin. 558 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,800 Yeah, I think there's so much misinformation out there around 559 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,400 what is healthy and a lot of people just associate lower body 560 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800 fat percentages. I mean, obviously don't want to 561 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,000 be obese, That's not healthy, but you don't want to be, you 562 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,200 know, sub 10 percent body fat is a female and definitely, either 563 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000 as a true determining factor of Health, I mean, you don't want 564 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,200 to be in a caloric deficit chronically, that's not going to 565 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000 be healthy for my hormonal or metabolic standpoint and I feel 566 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,300 like that's the conversation that doesn't really get talked 567 00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:00,000 about near enough because A they what's appealing on? 568 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,900 Social media is seeing people's ripped bodies on a beach, you 569 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,700 know, with abs popping and everything and let eaten eating 570 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:11,500 minimal food, like nobody talks about embracing gaining a few 571 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:13,400 pounds. Being a healthier body fat being 572 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,000 in a higher caloric intake, you know, feeling the seat. 573 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,500 But a little bit more snug around your midsection because 574 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,200 you're at a healthier more sustainable weight that you 575 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:25,300 don't have to obsessively, you know, avoid foods to maintain. 576 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,200 I feel like if more conversation was was centered around, That 577 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,500 people's idea of what is truly healthy. 578 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,700 Would probably be a lot healthier. 579 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,400 Yeah, I absolutely wasn't healthy when I was at 263 pounds 580 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,900 but I also wasn't healthy when I was down to like a size to 581 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,500 either. And I think I have a lot of 582 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,000 skin. There's I mean that comes up, I 583 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,400 get that question all the time, but I have a lot of excess skin, 584 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,300 your body as it grows and expands and you're especially 585 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,800 when you carry your weight in your stomach like I did your 586 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800 body creates those new adipose cells and adipose tissue. 587 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,900 So you're just have more room to store. 588 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:02,200 Fat in your body and it's what allows people to continue to 589 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,500 get. So I some people just keep 590 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:06,900 getting bigger and bigger and some people and get diabetes 591 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:08,800 when they're a lot. Thinner is because your body has 592 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,300 this ability to, you know, some people's bodies can just grow 593 00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,400 bigger than others and mine was really growing quite a bit. 594 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,900 And so now that my fat loss has shrunk, I still have all those 595 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,000 tissues like you're fat goes away, but those extra 596 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,900 compartments to store fat. Those don't go away. 597 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:29,000 Those extra adipocyte cells, I still Have those on my body, 598 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,400 they're just empty because they're not full of fat anymore, 599 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,800 but that also kind of is left with me having like excess skin 600 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,800 and some excess, you know, stuff around my midsection. 601 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,300 So I don't get this perfectly snatched Kardashian Waist but if 602 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,500 I get that tiny it's not a healthy weight for me because my 603 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,500 body ends up being too thin to sustain proper hormones and hair 604 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,100 health and sleep and all those good things. 605 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,400 So it's like I have to live with the consequences of my actions 606 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,900 of getting that big and without surgery like that. 607 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,000 Again, and that those empty adipose cells are not going to 608 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,200 go away. Yeah. 609 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,400 Yeah. The, the loose cans of topic. 610 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,600 That seems to be pretty polarizing. 611 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800 Some people are all for it. Some paper all like, hey, look, 612 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,800 you should just rock that as a battle scar. 613 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,000 You know? Like you've earned those that 614 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,600 extra skin. Like look at what you've 615 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600 accomplished and having that Loose Cannon and you lost all 616 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,900 this weight. Like there seems to be a very 617 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,200 diverse you know stance on what people should do that. 618 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,500 I suppose it all just kind of winds up falling on the 619 00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,500 individual. What resonates most with them? 620 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,500 Yeah. I mean My would go I go back and 621 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,000 forth on what I want to do I would you know part of its a 622 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,600 financial thing. It's such an expensive surgery 623 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,300 and their work. It's a dangerous recovery and, 624 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,200 you know, there's a lot of complications that can happen 625 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,800 with it. People that I know that have 626 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,100 gotten it done, I've always loved it, I hear positive 627 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,300 feedback. But then also like my husband is 628 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,500 very adamant that I shouldn't do that and loves me and is happy. 629 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,600 And if you know, like does it really matter and is it worth 630 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,300 doing something like that so that an Instagram picture looks 631 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,700 better like it's a little crazy to think about that mindset. 632 00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,400 Um some days it really bothers me and I get pretty stressed 633 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,800 about it and other days it's fine and it's just it is that 634 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,900 battle scar. It's part of what's come from. 635 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,600 It reminds me that I don't want to go back to that. 636 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Absolutely, but I think that the people saying like, I don't want 637 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,100 to lose weight, I'm going to afraid. 638 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,400 I have loose skin. I think it's just a I mean it's 639 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200 just something that people use as an excuse to like not get 640 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,700 there in the first place. I certainly had that thought but 641 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,300 it was more just because I was scared to commit and lose the 642 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:29,100 weight at all. It really had nothing to do with 643 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,300 this fear of the skin. There's just there's just no way 644 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,300 around it. Yeah. 645 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:34,900 And why your you skin? Maybe, you know, inconvenient or 646 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,900 an appealing it's not nearly as inconvenient as being 100-plus 647 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,000 pounds overweight, and that's going to be more restricting to 648 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,900 your day-to-day activities than loose skin. 649 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:44,100 Yeah. And a lot, unhealthy, I know a 650 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,000 lot less healthy to I think, you know, there's people that say, 651 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400 like, you can do fasting and at off of G and all those things 652 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,900 and yeah, sure. But at some point it's like not 653 00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,300 going to go away. Like I've done a lot of fasting. 654 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,100 Trust me like it's not going anywhere. 655 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,300 I can't do enough fasting. Get rid of the excess skin that 656 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:01,400 I have. It just it is what it is at that 657 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,400 point. And you know, I think we just 658 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,900 need to try to be the healthiest that we can be. 659 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,000 Yeah, totally agree. There's one topic that I'd love 660 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,800 to get your thoughts on and that is that there seems to be this 661 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,500 big. I don't have conflicts right 662 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,900 word, but there's this big disparity right now. 663 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:20,500 In the keto low carb carnivore space between like, fats and 664 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,200 protein ratio. So, I don't want to go into 665 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,700 semantics and kind of just disregard everything. 666 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,900 I said about the 80/20 and really focus on just simply 667 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,100 prioritizing quality. Foods, because that is the most 668 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,100 important. But I feel like there's been 669 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:36,100 this big push as of late to almost demonize fat, which is 670 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:39,200 kind of strange. Because at the, at the onset, 671 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,500 the ketogenic diet is defined primarily as a higher fat more 672 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,500 moderate to optimal protein. Very low carbohydrate diet and 673 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:47,100 you see a lot of people in the keto space. 674 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:51,700 Now seemingly demonizing fat consumption dietary fat and 675 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,400 really just putting a halo around higher protein, very lean 676 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400 foods and really focusing away from Any types of dietary fat 677 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,500 and I'm just curious to get your take on it. 678 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:04,100 Yeah. I do think it's unfortunate and 679 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:06,600 it's interesting because it usually these types of things go 680 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,300 in cycles and a couple of years ago, everybody was eating super 681 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,300 high fat and eating raw fat raw sewage. 682 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,200 Everybody was doing like, 80 90 percent fat thing that was going 683 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600 to heal all their hormones. And so, we went through that 684 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,200 cycle and I think, because we were so Extreme as a community 685 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,800 with the high-fat thing, people gained weight, because guess 686 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,400 what, if you're eating raw fat all day long, you probably are 687 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,300 gonna gain some Wait, and they were a lot of women that were 688 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,000 getting very low protein. They were having hair fall out 689 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,700 issues. They were just not really having 690 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,600 like ideal health because they work focusing on getting 80 90 691 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 percent fat in. And so, I think the pendulum has 692 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600 switched to this other extreme. I mean, even the keto world to 693 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:50,300 if you're eating keto macros but it's 70% fat, you can eat a lot 694 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,500 of fat bombs and a lot of desserts and a lot of things 695 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,900 that are going to help you hit those fat macros. 696 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,300 I also really Blame a lot of, you know, part of my hair loss 697 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,200 that I was dealing with on keto, was because I was so concerned 698 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,500 about hitting my fat macros and being over 70% fat. 699 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:10,200 That my protein was really low, and I was getting looking back 700 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,100 50, 60, grams of protein a day and I was losing weight, but I 701 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,800 also was losing a lot of my hair and I attribute a lot of that to 702 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,600 under eating protein. So I do think there's a balance. 703 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,900 That was missing back then. Yeah, I agree with you got 704 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:26,000 sorry. No, I didn't mean to cut. 705 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,300 You have continued and I think The pendulum has swung too far 706 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,300 the other direction. Now where everybody is so 707 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:35,300 focused on or the community, I guess tone is focused on weight 708 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:39,600 loss and getting enough protein, which I do think is important. 709 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,800 But now it's like we've gone so far that everybody's just eating 710 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,100 tons of lean protein, they've cut out any added fats, they're 711 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,300 having a lot of chicken, a lot of lean sirloins, all of these 712 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,800 really lean meats. And I think now we see people 713 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,100 under eating fat because we're so focused on having those 714 00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:00,500 insulin spikes. Or, you know, optimizing 715 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:05,300 protein, I think, you know, the protein sparing modified fast 716 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,400 bread is out. And it's pretty popular with a 717 00:34:07,408 --> 00:34:10,400 lot of people. I think that unfortunately, just 718 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,100 draws people in who are missing bread and it really, you know, 719 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:18,699 it drives people to wanting to do that method of having super 720 00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:22,400 high protein low fat because it gives them the opportunity to 721 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,400 have those bread Replacements and some of the dessert 722 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,000 Replacements that they were missing before. 723 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,800 So I think we're unfortunately back too far the other direction 724 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,600 and somewhere in the middle of adequate protein for women but 725 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,400 also adequate fat is necessary. Yeah I concur it's interesting. 726 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800 Like if you're eating enough total calories like a healthy 727 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,900 caloric intake, you can still have a relatively high fat ratio 728 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,100 and ample protein, like, it doesn't have to be one of the 729 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:51,600 other. You just have to have a healthy 730 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,900 caloric intake, give to be eating a healthy amount of food 731 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,699 to sustain your day-to-day activities. 732 00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,800 That if you're doing that, you can have a pretty High fat ratio 733 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,300 and eat quite a bit of protein still, but these people that are 734 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,600 trying to sustain their livelihood, eaten, you know, sub 735 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,000 1000 calories, then they can't really eat enough protein. 736 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,300 And, you know, high fat ratio, because, no matter what choice, 737 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,400 they do, the math, they're going to be deficient in something. 738 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,300 Yeah, well, I mean, women need protein and they need fat 739 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,300 further hormones like all of these things together. 740 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,600 But I think one especially for women and especially for older 741 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,100 women. I think most of them are under 742 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:27,000 eating especially when they are eating one meal a day or even 743 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,700 some of them. It's Two meals a day. 744 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,500 I have them go back and do some calculations and I'm like, how 745 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:32,600 much have you been eating lately? 746 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,300 And they're like, oh, it's 800 calories. 747 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:38,900 If it's 1100 calories, it's like barely getting in 1,000 748 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,200 calories. I did one meal a day for a long 749 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,300 time and it worked really well for me. 750 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:46,100 But that's also because I was able to eat a very large volume 751 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,600 of food. I was used to eating an entire 752 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,700 pizza and ice cream in one sitting in my previous life, I 753 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,400 could eat a lot in one setting and so one meal a day worked 754 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,900 because I could get in 2300 calories, 1800 calories. 755 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600 In one meal over time. My body couldn't really do that 756 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200 anymore. And I can't do one meal a day 757 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,700 anymore because I can't eat enough in one sitting to get 758 00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,100 enough calories to sustain me for the day. 759 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,400 And so, I feel like that's where most people are trying to lose 760 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,900 weight so fast. They try to do these fasting 761 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,700 windows and they're doing high-protein, low-fat, their 762 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,100 kind of following all of the advice at the same time. 763 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:25,000 And they're drastically under eating, which is slowing their 764 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,800 metabolism down and their way to stalling out and they can't 765 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,500 figure figure out why they're not losing weight when they're 766 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:31,000 barely eating anything. Yeah. 767 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,900 And those likely see some initial weight loss mean, their 768 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,200 bodies going to have a little drop in weight and then it's 769 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,300 going to plateau and there's going to be nowhere left to turn 770 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,200 because if you're taking in at sub 1,000 calories and your 771 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,800 body's plateaued, there's not really anywhere else to go. 772 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,400 I mean, you're pretty much at Rock Bottom at that point. 773 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,400 Yeah, and I think to them, they start feeling drained, their low 774 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,600 energy. Their sleep is not great, and 775 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,500 just overall, they're feeling kind of terrible. 776 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,900 And then on top of it, they're getting frustrated because 777 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,300 They're not losing anymore and I think then I'm seeing people end 778 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:05,700 up going off the rails. And just go back to carbs which 779 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,700 I think those people are the ones who then start 780 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:11,100 incorporating carbs and sugar and fruits and say I feel so 781 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,500 much better. Carnivore wasn't working keto 782 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,500 wasn't working. I felt so terrible and drained. 783 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,000 It's like you were eating 800 calories and barely any fat. 784 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,800 And now you're eating carbs and sugar which are finally giving 785 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,000 you some energy again. Like that's the difference. 786 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,800 We just need to encourage eating it an adequate amount. 787 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,800 Yeah hundred percent agree. I feel like you know that's true 788 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,900 with regardless I mean we're goddess of what that you're 789 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,800 following but it's not accepted accelerate. 790 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,900 It's not really the attractive thing talk about like nobody 791 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:38,900 wants to talk about the importance of reverse dieting 792 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,700 and putting on body fat, like, for me as a coach, when a client 793 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,400 comes to me, it's been chronically under reading and 794 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,400 have to talk them about the importance of slowly bringing 795 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,400 calories, back up to healthy level, staying there at a pretty 796 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,900 significant period of time and then tell them hey look you 797 00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,100 probably aren't going to lose any weight and then in the near 798 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,800 future that's a very hard sell for someone that's just one. 799 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,600 To lose weight. I mean, but at the end of the 800 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,300 day, what they've done up to that point obviously hasn't 801 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,800 worked for me. It's not sustainable forms. 802 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,000 They have to do something and that reverse that's pretty much 803 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,500 the only viable option at that point. 804 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,800 Yeah and it's I mean think it's really hard for people to commit 805 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,000 to that and especially do it over the course of a couple of 806 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,100 months and watch that weight gain, because there's somebody 807 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,100 else out there that's promising them fat loss. 808 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,500 If they just come over and join this group and do it that way, 809 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,900 and it's a really hard thing for people to and I think, 810 00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:27,500 Unfortunately, they end up down the wrong path. 811 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,900 So many Times. Yeah, looking for that quick 812 00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:32,700 weight loss. I don't try Cal so I don't 813 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,900 really know for sure. But I know that I 10, I mean I 814 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,100 would have guessed that I tend to live in like, you know, an 815 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,200 adequate amount of calories or a surplus even I kind of live in 816 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,700 this world where like, over the course of two weeks, if I'm just 817 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,600 eating two meals a day, I'll probably gained a couple of 818 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,700 pounds and then I'm like, okay, I've gained a few pounds, I need 819 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,500 to do a 48-hour fast and kind of drop that back down again, so 820 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:56,800 trying rather than trying to like calculate calories everyday 821 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,700 or live in a deficit. Constantly or manage it. 822 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,900 I just kind of let the scale over time. 823 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,400 Not a one-day fluctuation but like oh wow, two weeks ago. 824 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,100 I gained you know, three pounds which for me is very easy to do. 825 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,700 Again, I have so much skin, I could gain 20 pounds by Monday, 826 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:15,800 if you really wanted to bet me, I won't bet you but no, don't I 827 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,200 don't want to do if I would be terrible. 828 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,700 But like for me to kind of gained three pounds or so over 829 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,800 the course of a couple of weeks, it's just because I'm like wow 830 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,900 you've been, you know, eating a lot enjoying Foods snacking, 831 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:27,000 whatever, okay? Now it's time to like let's do a 832 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,500 48 hour. Fast. 833 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,700 Let's dial back into two very specific meals a day and then 834 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,600 I'll drop that and then I kind of go back to being in relaxed 835 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,000 mode again and now that I'm maintaining, that's really the 836 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,800 world I live in, where I'm probably getting that little bit 837 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,500 of a surplus every day and then rather than trying to do that 838 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,000 track and do a deficit. I love just occasionally, which 839 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000 for me. Now, the key is occasionally 840 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,900 doing a 48-hour fast to help regulate my weight but doing 841 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,800 those two frequently I think is not helpful. 842 00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:59,900 Our most women. Yeah. 843 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,900 I feel like like when it comes to Extended fasting, I feel like 844 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,800 it's totally viable and worthwhile. 845 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600 If in the grand scheme of things, the vast majority of 846 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,700 time you're in a maintenance or Surplus. 847 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,700 I think, my issue with extended fasting is when people are 848 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,700 chronically in a deficit, anyways, then they throw on 849 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:18,900 extended fasting on top of, that's just too many stressors 850 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,900 on the body happening, all the same time, 100% agree. 851 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,800 And that is exactly the issues that I was having kind of back 852 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,800 in 2019 was, I was just so intense. 853 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,900 Intent on keeping up my fasting windows, but I couldn't eat as 854 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:34,100 much in one sitting anymore, and I think that that's where most 855 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,600 women who are experiencing problems that I see kind of 856 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,300 interact with on a regular basis it's because they're trying so 857 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,600 hard to incorporate all the fasting that they think they 858 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,800 need to lose weight, but then they're under eating at the same 859 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,200 time. Bingo, bingo. 860 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,500 I'd love to can switch directions, a little bit and 861 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,000 talk about your online presence. So to speak, I mean, you're 862 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,600 killing it on Instagram, you're killing it on YouTube. 863 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800 You've got a normal full time job, if I remember correctly. 864 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:00,400 You've got kids, you got husband. 865 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:04,200 Like, what is, what is your, what is your plan? 866 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,800 Like from a podcasting branding business content, creation, 867 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,400 influencer standpoint. Like, what are you trying to 868 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,700 accomplish? Because whatever you're doing? 869 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:13,500 It's working. Well, it's resonating with the 870 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,600 community and making people it's providing value for sure. 871 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,800 Well, thank you very much. I honestly, I have no plan. 872 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,900 I have no idea plan with any of this, I am doing a podcast. 873 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,100 We do a podcast weekly called cutting Against the Grain with 874 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:27,700 Judy. And I'm not going to lie. 875 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,700 The only reason that exists is because Judy says, show up at 876 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,400 this time and let's record and she kind of keeps me on track. 877 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,400 I am the least consistent person when it comes to social media, I 878 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,800 have no plan and make a video. And I'm like, all right, let's 879 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,100 post that as soon as I'm done making it, right? 880 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,400 And then maybe I won't post anything for a couple weeks on 881 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,300 YouTube and then I this week, I think, because I had a couple 882 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,400 ideas, I like through three things up a little quick. 883 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,900 One minute those YouTube shorts. They're like recipes and that 884 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,300 kind of stuff. I'm probably camped out on ideas 885 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:57,700 for like the next month on YouTube. 886 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,600 I feel like I really have no plan when it when it comes to 887 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,700 that, I kind of all happened. You know, I call myself an 888 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,900 accidental influencer where I posted some pictures and it 889 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,600 resonated with people and I've just enjoyed sharing that and I 890 00:42:11,607 --> 00:42:15,600 think more than anything me sharing publicly helps hold me 891 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,900 accountable. Yeah, where I think it's if 892 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,600 anything it helps me like not go off the rails. 893 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,500 Go or gain weight back. Like I feel a sense of 894 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,900 responsibility that I want to show people that this is, As 895 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,800 possible and I use it as a accountability for me. 896 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,800 Like, if I go several days without posting my meals or I'm 897 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,500 super quiet. Like obviously, maybe there's 898 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,200 just something going on and I'm busy, but maybe I'm also just 899 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,400 like hiding out, you know, and not de feeling great and not 900 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,700 being as clean as I should be. So it's if anything it's like an 901 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:50,500 accountability tool for me to be sharing things and I tried 902 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,500 really more than anything. Just to be this voice of the 903 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,000 normal person who's trying to lose weight and trying to be 904 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,200 healthy and live. Life. 905 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,900 Like I don't do this as a full-time job, obviously it's 906 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,500 amazing if people can do that and be a health professional and 907 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,000 have that be there. Full-time job. 908 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,800 But there's a different time commitment that I can give to 909 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,700 this lifestyle than somebody who has nothing. 910 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:18,200 But time to work out and to meal prep and to plan and to you know 911 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,900 sometimes it's like your job to be healthy and that's an amazing 912 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,800 thing to have and then to help other people be healthy. 913 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,700 But this is the fourth. Fifth thing on My priority list, 914 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:31,500 unlike what I have to get done in today and I just want to show 915 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:35,800 people that like you can still get healthy and heal yourself 916 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,200 and take back your life and help other people. 917 00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,100 Without spending that much time on it, I think that's you don't 918 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:45,400 have to like be doing this as a full-time job to lose weight and 919 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,100 get healthy. Yeah, think that's huge. 920 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:51,500 I feel like people need to be able to Simply document their 921 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,500 Journey going through it as naturally as possible as 922 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:56,500 organically as possible. And that's going to resonate 923 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:58,800 with people in different. Wait, that's what I tried to do. 924 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,400 And I first documented anything on YouTube and Instagram and 925 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,400 whatnot and that that resonate with people that we're trying to 926 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,000 do what I was trying to do and what you're doing. 927 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,600 I mean your your day-to-day fits the description of a lot of 928 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,700 people. I mean, you have kids, you have 929 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:13,800 a job. You have all these 930 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,200 responsibilities, you like simply eaten perfect perfectly 931 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,300 is not the top of your priority list, yet you still find time to 932 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,800 do it right? Maintain your health lose, the 933 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,400 weights, improve your hormonal function, your metabolic rate. 934 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,700 Like all these things have flourished, Rushed because 935 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,200 you've been consistent with something that you've obviously 936 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,700 found success within a, you simply can document that two 937 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,600 people that are going through a similar journey in life and that 938 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,900 resonates with them, like you've impacted people's lives and turn 939 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,100 their health around in ways that you don't even realize, which 940 00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,500 is, which is awesome. Yeah, and I want, I mean, I have 941 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,200 kids who go to jiu jitsu and I Gotta Throw dinner in the 942 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,500 airfryer and 10 minutes for them, and I need to eat and we 943 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,700 gotta pack lunches for tomorrow and we got to do all those 944 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,800 things. I, you know, I need food and 945 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,300 ideas that are going to help the For that and easy and try to get 946 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,200 my kids to, you know, naughty goldfish and eat something. 947 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,500 That's better and neat and all those good things. 948 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200 And I travel a lot for my job. I need restaurants that I can go 949 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,800 to. That are normal restaurants. 950 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600 When I don't have an option, I can find something. 951 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,400 You give me a restaurant other than maybe a vegan restaurant. 952 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,300 And I can find something there that I can eat. 953 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600 And I like to share those ideas. I get a lot of criticism about 954 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,600 like what oils are they cooked in or the quality of the meat at 955 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,600 Applebee's or, you know, is that real cheese? 956 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,000 He's and like you should have just fast that meets, not 957 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,500 grass-finished like this, not how normal people live their 958 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,700 lives. I don't have all day to dedicate 959 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:38,500 to this. I have to be able to stay 960 00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:42,600 healthy while traveling for my job and checking with my family 961 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,900 and doing all those things. And I just want people to 962 00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:49,000 sometimes not obsess about all that stuff too much and just 963 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,100 find a way to like enjoy going to a restaurant with your 964 00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,000 friends. When you don't have control over 965 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400 everything but you could still go and have a good time. 966 00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:59,500 Yeah, I mean and you can't Like you said, you can totally adhere 967 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,400 to a like a ketogenic, a carnivore diet at any 968 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,600 restaurant, like you said, maybe borrowing a vegan restaurant and 969 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,700 there's just, you can remove the excuses. 970 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:10,800 I feel like when you showcase what you've been able to 971 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,900 accomplish with the lifestyle that you have and then just 972 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,600 remove people's excuses, then they don't have anything to lean 973 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,000 on or say, hey, look, I can't do this. 974 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,900 Because if x y, or Z and I feel like when you remove people's 975 00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:25,100 excuses, it forces them to become more accountable, more 976 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,400 self-reliance self-aware and I feel like that That is the 977 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,700 empowerment that people need to make a difference in their life. 978 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,900 Yeah, absolutely. I mean there's not an office 979 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,000 party or a restaurant or a situation that's going to cause 980 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,700 me to kind of go off the rails anymore. 981 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,200 Mainly because I know that it wouldn't be a one-time thing for 982 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,800 me and it would be a very easy thing for me to gain all my 983 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,400 weight back and end up in just as miserable of a health 984 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,100 position that I was in before. And so for me like being good 985 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:55,400 enough is non-negotiable like sticking to the diet plan and 986 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,000 sticking to this way of eating is non-negotiable and I I have 987 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,600 to, because of that, I have to make it realistic options for 988 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,400 me. Yeah. 989 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,300 I love them. How did you and Judy meet? 990 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,000 You know what through Instagram, I have met some really 991 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,100 incredible people through social media through this carnivore 992 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:14,300 world. She planned the carnivore 75 993 00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:18,000 hard challenge of a couple of years ago to kind of help push 994 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600 everybody through the holidays and to it was like her version 995 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,300 of Andy for sellers challenge without having to do to 45 996 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,800 minutes extra workouts a day which I know it's not something 997 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,000 that would be realistic for me. It's so hot. 998 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,700 It's called A Hard challenge because it would be hard. 999 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,300 I couldn't do that, but this was a more Realistic version just 1000 00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,900 trying to help people in the carnivore Community, stick to 1001 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:41,000 getting through the holidays and I needed that motivation. 1002 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,800 It was one of my big first holiday seasons without being 1003 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,700 Quito and not having keto cookies at Christmas and keto 1004 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,500 treats and all those things. And so to stick to carnivore it 1005 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:53,900 was like the perfect thing that I needed. 1006 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,500 And so she and I got really close during that challenge and 1007 00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:00,300 just started talking a lot. You know, we have kids the same 1008 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:02,700 age were into a lot of the same things. 1009 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,000 Our kids are in a lot of the same things and we really 1010 00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,200 affected. And so, I one point, I called 1011 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,800 her up, and I was like, hey, I'm in town. 1012 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,800 Like, I'm gonna come over. And so, you know, we've met in 1013 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,000 person and are we spent Thanksgiving together with her 1014 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,400 family, and my family, our kids are good friends now and 1015 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,100 husbands get along and all those good things. 1016 00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:22,300 So it's been really fun getting close with her and her family. 1017 00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,700 And I think, you know, we're I think we bring out the best in 1018 00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,300 each other as far as balance. And I think that's why we have 1019 00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,600 so much fun doing the podcast together because it ends up 1020 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,000 being a good mix of my real estate. 1021 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,800 Approach and her nutritional expertise and hopefully can 1022 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,300 bring some context to people. Not everybody wants to be as 1023 00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,100 Loose as I do. They want to be more strict, 1024 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,300 they have inflammatory things, like kind of all of that, she 1025 00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,600 gives a lot of that expertise. And then we also just really 1026 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,000 talk together about how we incorporate this lifestyle into 1027 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,800 busy families. I love it, I love it. 1028 00:48:54,808 --> 00:48:57,400 I feel like you're in good company with, with her. 1029 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,900 I mean, she is, she's one of the few people in the space that 1030 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:05,400 I've known for years who have just continually the I've 1031 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,400 learned about her the deeper, I get to know her, the more I 1032 00:49:08,408 --> 00:49:10,500 respect her. The more I appreciate the vibe 1033 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,200 that she has like, she's just a really high class individual, 1034 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:17,600 incredibly smart and Incredibly giving and generous. 1035 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,500 So, you're definitely good company with her. 1036 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,000 Yes, I'm very blessed to have her as a close friend. 1037 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,500 She is the one of the bravest people in this community and 1038 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,300 it's also it's a challenge. I know she deals with a lot of 1039 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,800 because of the fact that she stands up for a lot of us and so 1040 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,800 we are very grateful. After that. 1041 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,600 Yeah. Well she's I've always got her 1042 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,000 back. I'm on her side for sure. 1043 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,300 Yes. Yeah I've got that much respect 1044 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,800 for her. I've got one more, very serious 1045 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000 question. Since you are realistic with 1046 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,700 everything you do in life, you have all the things that you've 1047 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,600 got going on, but you're also a hard court of 100% carnivore. 1048 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,800 What is your favorite carnivore dish? 1049 00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,900 You know, every time for the last four years, I've always 1050 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:02,500 just said like ribeye and that's, you know, a perfectly 1051 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:04,700 cooked. Rib eye is is the way to go in 1052 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:09,100 every circumstance and you know lately, I just have been 1053 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,900 changing it up so much more aware. 1054 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:13,400 Sometimes it's like chicken wings, just hit the spot. 1055 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:18,700 And I spent the last four years, not eating anything that was 1056 00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:21,400 leaner, but I've been eating a lot of filet lately and feeling 1057 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,100 very bougie and fancy and I'll slather it with a bunch of 1058 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:27,900 butter and, you know, pork And all those things. 1059 00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,400 So I've kind of its I think at the end of the day, if it was 1060 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,100 one thing, it would always be ribeye. 1061 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,200 But I've been having so much more fun eating, a lot of 1062 00:50:36,207 --> 00:50:39,500 different kinds of really awesome meets lately. 1063 00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:41,700 Do you like like fish and seafood? 1064 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:46,100 So stuff like that. You know I'm I do Seafood is 1065 00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,100 like shrimp lobster, crab legs like all the shellfish that are 1066 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000 but like an actual like salmon or Cod or something. 1067 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,400 I'm not as big of a fan of, unfortunately, I do. 1068 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,500 It would be so good for me. If I was But I'm not 1069 00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,100 unfortunately. Yeah not. 1070 00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:00,900 I like fish Bentley. Eat it very frequently because 1071 00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,800 Crystal, he's fish. So I'm pretty much ticklish rib 1072 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,300 eyes for the most most time as well. 1073 00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:08,200 Yeah, of course, eats fish. I make him wait till I'm like 1074 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,300 out of town for a couple days so I don't have to smell it. 1075 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:13,600 Exactly exactly. I'm Elora it's been an absolute 1076 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,200 pleasure chatting with you today. 1077 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,300 I really enjoyed having dinner with you at that meat up that we 1078 00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:21,900 did in Austin will definitely. Are you going to Quito Connor in 1079 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:23,300 the conference? Yeah, I'll be there. 1080 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:24,900 Awesome. Well, I will see you again in 1081 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:25,900 person. There. 1082 00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:28,300 Where did Go to find out more about you. 1083 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,900 You can find me on YouTube, just search for Laura speth. 1084 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,400 I have a locals Community which is like a private Community 1085 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,800 where I post kind of early stuff if anything it's like a it's a 1086 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,300 community where people can get to know each other. 1087 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200 So the way that I've met a lot of my friends through the online 1088 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,900 community, it's hard to do that, you know, if you're not publicly 1089 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,700 sharing your story and so this is a community where people can 1090 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,500 hang out with me. And then also meet other people 1091 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,000 who are really going through the same things. 1092 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,400 We're all kind of just hanging out together and that's Laura 1093 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,600 East, bass, dot locals.com, Then Instagram is Laura a spa 1094 00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:03,200 awesome. Well I was certainly linked out 1095 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,500 to all of those in the show notes. 1096 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,900 Make it easy for people to find you. 1097 00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:08,400 I cannot wait to see you again Aikido con. 1098 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,700 So if there's ever anything I can do for you in the meantime, 1099 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:12,000 by all means. Let me know. 1100 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,700 Thank you so much. It was so great. 1101 00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:15,400 Thanks for having me. You better take care.