Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes keto, Savage.com to they
have special guest dr. Jeff, Gerber on the line and I
wanted to pick his brain about the low-carb at Denver
conference, that he's got coming up in February and also wanted
to learn more about his backstory.
What him, what got him into medicine in the first place?
What got him into nutrition and just kind of dive a little
deeper into his upbringing backstory.
So I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.
I've got a lot of excitement for this low carb Denver conference
coming up in February, is going to be a great lineup of
speakers. I'm going to learn a ton going
there. I encourage you all to listen to
podcast and definitely sign up for that event if you're
interested. So without further Ado, sit back
relax and enjoy the podcast with dr.
Jeff Gerber. And we are live dr.
Gerber Hawaii's her? Oh good.
Robert enjoying our Monday here in Denver.
Yeah. Denver is a good spot man.
I've been through Denver a few times and that's one of those
places that just just catches You by all.
It's just beautiful. Beautiful Mountain Country out
there. Yep, well we moved here back in
1993 from the east coast, and there's no turning back.
Yeah, a lot of people have been migrating to, to Denver
specifically. It seems like people exiting
California headed to call it to Colorado, I believe.
Yeah, it's it's beautiful out here and it's been growing quite
a bit over the years. It has and has.
So you are the man behind the low-carb Denver, which I've been
to, I think I went to the very first one which was in 2019.
Is that correct? We go back to 2016 Robert and
the first one in Denver was in 2019.
And you know thanks for your support.
Yeah, no, it was it. Is great.
I mean, the the venue itself was amazing, breathtaking it in and
of itself within the conference was also just next level and
that's coming up here in a few months.
I love to dive into that. But before we do that, the kind
of just get more of your backstory.
So you're a family physician, but you've been really pushing
the needle for within the low-carb.
Keto space correct? Yes, that's correct.
Robert. And I can give you a little bit
more introduction. I've actually been a family
doctor for over. For 30 years, I can't believe
it's been that long actually finished my training back in
1990 very and yeah, and I'm still having a lot of fun doing
it. And, you know, the first ten
years I didn't know much about nutrition.
They they just taught us how to put out fires as a doctor in
primary care and just gotten frustrated that we weren't
really helping our patients and it was really about 10 years
into her career, that patients actually approached me saying
that they were trying different types of diets.
My father-in-law challenged me to lose some weight.
Doing an Atkins type of diet and what I found is that my patients
were losing weight, I was concerned.
They were going to have problems with their cholesterol and you
know heart disease risk, I lost 40 pounds but we, you know we
like to think outside the box be independent thinking and we lo
and behold, we found that metabolic markers actually.
Improved while these patients lost weight and went on these
particular diets. And I started to read about it
and the science made a lot of sense and so it began with, you
know educating our patients, then we went out on the speaker
circuit. You know this is like 23 years
ago, long time ago and there wasn't much social media at the
time. But started educating through
food lectures then I wrote a book, co-authored with Ivor,
Cummins eat rich. Live long.
And then back in 2016, we started doing the conferences.
And the passion is basically to to teach people about better
nutrition. I love it.
What was your motivation for
getting into the medical space? At the very in the very
beginning before we even started dabbling with the keto, like
what was the numbers you come from a family of doctors or have
that come to be Yeah, you might have figured so it was in our
blood. Lots of doctors in the family.
Not necessarily interested in primary care and, and prevention
per se a new bit nutrition, but I have to credit my parents.
You know, we were all he's overweight and so, you know that
we were always looking at different types of diets and you
know, for my mother and father it goes back into the 70s.
They were kind of diet experts. And that really got me
interested in the Nutritional aspect.
What was the reigning champ of diets?
Back in the 70s that was before the low-fat craze, right?
That was more like the 90s, Well, look, it was across the
board in the 70s, but it was I think it was a bit a low-fat and
then, you know, Atkins wasn't didn't came kind of shortly
after that. So you know, my mom was always
trying this. That, and the other thing got
you. So they kind of get their feet
wet with, you know, all the different dietary protocols were
they do in Family Medicine as well and they just had that
interest in. In nutrition, specifically are
heard and that they kind of go down that path.
Yeah, so my father was actually a photographer videographer, he
worked for NFL films, so he was busy filming filming the NFL,
and my mother was a radiology tech.
So did you know they? And, you know, there was a lot
of influence again, in healthcare.
So they were just interested in trying.
To maintain ideal body weight. So they would just try the
various things and I was I went along with them and it's
interesting. I remember, even before I knew
anything about diet and nutrition, there was there was
one one time we did the ice cream diet and it actually
worked. I've always been big into
exercise and once a week we would go out and stuff.
Our faces on ice cream and the rest of the time we were Just
careful with diet, mainly looking at the quantity of the
food and it worked for a time being.
And, you know, we yo-yoed back and forth and, you know, I would
say once I learned a little bit more about nutrition.
Back some 20 years ago, I've been able to maintain the
40-pound weight loss. Nice very nice.
So, when you get into medicine yourself and you were working as
a family doctor, what you seeing like, a, just a lot of pattern
recognition. When you were having these
clients come in these patients. Come in to your Or clinic.
And then just oftentimes being just dealing with the same
elements are very similar elements year after year.
After year, same people, same same patterns very much so
Robert so you know modern society did the big three that
we see each and every day in in family medicine or Primary Care
are obesity diabetes and heart disease and you know the
frustration to me is that we were just you know pushing
pushing pills and and telling people to eat less and exercise
more and As you know, that's just, it takes a lot of
willpower to convince patients to change their eating patterns,
in this way, a lot of motivation.
And so the focus shifted to not something that is driven by
willpower. But, but more, by finding foods
that satisfy the appetite. So at the end of the day, you're
not as your I was hungry and hopefully, you're actually
eating less but more nutrient, dense foods and that's kind of
been the long-term approach. Yeah, I totally agree.
I think we're definitely speaking the same language when
it comes to following a ketogenic, you know, low carb
well-formulated diet. I felt there's been a lot of
pushback from various doctors in the space and also a lot of
people within, you know, the fitness industry, which I'm more
familiar with. I've, you know, this promotion
of having a well-balanced diet that includes all Rent food
groups and just as is consumed in moderation.
And many of the components for that argument suggests that
eliminating a food group or a macronutrient entirely is more
in line with an eating disorder than not.
So, like in that context and the clinical setting, do you feel
like there's much Merit to that or is it more?
So matter of just like educating these people about look, the
whole moderation thing obviously isn't really working for you.
Let's try and remove some of these hyper palatable Foods in
the first place. Eight.
Yeah, well look we can get into the the fitness aspect and how
nutrition ties into it because that's something that I'm very
passionate about and as we as we age, I'm going to be 62 next
week and you know, the importance of maintaining
healthy skeletal muscle becomes even more important.
And so the nutrition aspect I love to work with You know,
personal trainers that also focus on nutrition.
Because I think it's very important, and I think there's
various ways to fuel exercise, and it can be high carb, it can
be low carb, it can be high fat low fat, it all depends on the
individual, but the pattern that we find, and it's typical for
most populations that, you know, two thirds of the population,
have a problem with insulin resistance, or pre-diabetes.
And so, when you're younger and life, you, you, you seem to be
somewhat Invincible. Thinking you can eat everything
and anything and you go to the gym and you Pound Down carbs and
caffeine may be some cigarettes while you're at it and you can
really perform well in the gym. But you know, that comes at a
price later in life. And we see, you know, young
athletes that as they age, they become insulin resistant.
And so the issue is that, you know, it may, it's probably the
carbohydrates that that's driving the insulin resistance
and the idea is that, as we age, we have to think about that.
And even, you know, people that the younger ones that focus on a
healthier diet, such as paleo diets where there Pounding down,
sweet, potato and fruit. Well, that might be fine,
younger and life, but as you age again, things change.
And you have to look at metabolic Health in these
athletes and it changes as time goes on.
Yeah, I like I personally don't really consume hardly any
carbohydrate at all really but I've never really been one to
want to demonize carbohydrates in their entirety, but I feel
like viewing the consumption of carbohydrates to build lens of
you got To earn your carbs, makes a lot of sense because
they're not an essential macronutrient.
I feel like a lot of these people that are struggling with,
you know, type 2, diabetes, heart disease obesity.
They're often times, not really putting forth, a lot of
expenditure anyways, so they certainly don't need to be the
ones consuming 200, 300, 400 grams of carbs, plus a day.
Right. So I if I understand Robert,
you're you're a carnivore and if I can ask, how long have you
focused on that type of eating? Yeah, I'm not like a strict
Carnival. I'm ketogenic for sure.
I haven't. I mean, I'll have occasional
veggies from time to time. I mean 90% of my nutrition is
coming from a carnivore, eska style of consumption but I've
been doing that now for, I guess almost 8 years coming next year.
So pretty good. Wow, yeah, well, excellent.
So, you know, I think carbohydrates server role,
they're kind of like the the After Burner fuel depending on
what your activity is and when you're in the gym lifting
weights. So that that's actually more of
a fast twitch fiber type of exercise.
And I think for myself and you may want to comment on On this,
I, that the carbohydrate consumption can contribute to
some of the explosive explosive 80 when you're, you know, when
you're really trying to push the barometer, but at the same time
you may also comment and challenge that you do find when
you're fueled by Fats alone in the gym.
Yeah, I certainly don't disagree with that sentiment at all.
I feel like, you know, being strictly key to adapt as long as
I have, I built up Was the metabolic Machinery necessary to
have that explosive style of training in the complete absence
of carbohydrates. I think a lot of athletes don't
stay straight, keto long enough to really tap into that
potential, it's like the bodies. I feel like the body is able to
up regulate the metabolic Machinery necessary to make the
most of the fuel, you're providing it.
Now that said, I feel like there's a lot of people like,
said that aren't simply they just simply aren't eating that
way. Long enough to really take
advantage of that shift in metabolic function.
And also like I'm doing more so you know, weight training.
I feel like there's, you know, people that are doing long-term
endurance running. Like might mean I just got done
running 600 plus miles, you know he may find more benefit and
carbohydrate consumption than me who's doing mostly, you know,
weight training. But I feel like a lot of it for
me has been like a psychological thing because a lot of a lot of
the people in my Sport and sport of bodybuilding, they have this
really negative relationship with carbohydrate consumption,
the first place. So, I want to be an example to
them that They can perform at an elite level without the
carbohydrates. I used to struggle with them way
back when I was consuming them so being free of them as long as
I have now it's just kind of habituate this point.
I don't really feel like my performance has suffered so I
haven't really felt the need to reintroduce them.
Yeah, well the endurance athletes also benefit in the
same way by becoming fat adapted and you know, they in fact the
argument is that the fat at the patient might work exceptionally
well for endurance athletes. There's been some records
climbing, climbing up the mountains.
I believe it was in the Himalayas that somebody said
that he was fat adapted and And went right up the mountain
without any problem at all. So it works both for endurance
and for resistance training as well.
And I know for myself that I used to play a lot of tennis, my
wife and I do pickleball. Now, if you think that's a
sport, it's actually quite a bit of fun, but when I was a lot
heavier, I would just constantly have to have carbohydrates
snacks, and years later. Now, I You find in the gym.
I enjoy going to the gym fasted, I'll eat after I go to the gym
or if I play sports tennis or pickleball or even going skiing,
believe it or not, you can go skiing all day and you just
hydrate you're not even hungry. And and again getting back into
the gym with resistance training.
Look at, you know, I'm an older guy and this year I've made some
gains that was my resolution after the chaos.
The last couple years to get back to into the Jim.
And I've been building up muscle again.
And I really don't find that I have any deficits by restricting
the carbohydrate. Yeah.
Feel like, especially as you age, you know, as you mentioned
earlier, weight training, just preserving as much skeletal
muscle tissue and building as much as you can, is going to be
the best. You know, thing that you can do
to set yourself up for Success from a longevity standpoint.
When it comes to also losing some of that insulin
sensitivity. As you age, I think it just
keeps Going in favor of Fallen, low carb, ketogenic diet, you
know, year after year, after year from a longevity
standpoint, there seems to be a lot of debate right now within
the keto space about ample protein requirements for
building muscle for a while there it was, you know, don't
consume too much protein as it's going to contribute to
gluconeogenesis and that's going to kick you out of ketosis.
And now, it seems that proteins been given a Halo, almost to the
extent of people. Almost becoming fearful of too
much. Dietary fat, can you speak on
that? Some like, what have You noticed
in just your own self experimentation and in your
clinic when people titrating protein up versus down versus
the back of some sweet spot that you're finding people most
settling in. Yeah.
So I think a couple years back, it is true that we were kind of
talking about restricting protein intake, and run
Rosedale. Actually had a lot of input into
that. But looking at this, the science
and Research of late. I think that the protein is
quite beneficial as you as you age.
And, you know, we usually talk about arranged 80 to 120 grams
of protein and an up and, you know, it can be a, you know, a
gram per pound of lean body mass.
And so first of all, protein, animal protein foods tend to be
nutrient. It's and so the nutrients are
really important in terms of overall health and providing a
satiety signal unto themselves. The other aspect is that we
traditionally talked about very high fat diets and they do make
sense when you have a problem with insulin.
If your insulin resistant or diabetic or pre-diabetic and you
need to lose some weight. So initially a high-fat diet can
be very sick satiating, but the problem is that fat itself is
not very nutrient dense, its energy dense.
And so on the long term, we tend to recommend backing down on fat
intake eating Fat to fill, in fact, been been bickman, who has
been to our conference. He's a researcher and a
wonderful professor and teacher. He uses a little radiation to
describe kind of the long term in terms of nutrients and that
is that you want to fill with fat.
Meaning you just eat enough fat to fill and then you prioritize
your protein and then you control your carbohydrate and we
actually absolutely love that. And this is what we discussed
with our patients all the time. Yes.
Like a pretty safe range. For most people to fit in is
like a one to one ratio of protein grams to fat grams.
So it's going to wind up being about 68 percent of total
calories coming from fat with a protein if you're doing that.
At 121. Of course it's going to, you
know, change depending on training load level of lean
tissue etc etc. But it seems to be a pretty
General sweet spot for most people that that as perfect.
We actually tell people long-term that the fat grams can
be equal to or less than the protein G nice when it comes to
meal frequency. So there's there's been all
these, you know the pendulum keep swinging on multiple
different things within the The key to research space and for a
while it was all about increasing fasting time
basically to ramp up, you know, apoptosis Atop A G.
All these Buzz words that we hear and with all the the
upcoming research on protein that we're seeing, there seems
to be a compelling argument for consuming at least 30 grams of
protein per meal to make the most of muscle protein synthesis
and consume enough leucine for that to occur.
So those kind of compete for another should.
There should there be I can balance between fasting time and
feeding frequency or what do you think makes the most sense for
general public there? Well for myself, rather than
dying in diving into the science part of it is that I let people
eat when they're hungry. So it's just what I refer to as
mindfulness just paying attention to how the body feels.
And that it seems that people tend to eat less frequently when
when they are adapting to these types of diets and so forth. 44
for our patients. We talked about optimally eating
once or twice a day, however that doesn't even work for some.
Some people need to eat three meals a day but definitely this
snacking in between, we know that's out and going for longer
periods of time where the body has to rely on its own Energy,
may be beneficial long-term. And so I just think that if you
get your proper protein, requirement in through the day,
whether you're You're eating it one meal or three meals a day is
just fine. Yeah, I agree.
I feel like just simply listening to your body which is
so much easier to do once you become fat adapted, because
you're not having those crazy swings and highs and lows with
blood glucose and Insulin. So you're able to tap into that
intuition quite a bit more when it comes to like your own
personal consumption and diet, what does that look like?
Are you eating a lot of vegetation?
Are you eating like how do you typically structure a day of
eating for yourself? Right.
Well, we won't talk about my diet over the past several
years, which wasn't as good as as I would have liked it to be.
But, you know, again this this year I got back on track back to
the gym and my diet is again, animal protein and vegetable
based. And so, I found when I went back
to the gym, is that my craving for, you know, animal protein in
red meat did increase quite a A bit.
And you know again after I work out I like I like to to to eat a
meal. And so that's when I'll I'll
tend to increase eat most of my protein.
I Did my own experiment and found that eating in the
morning? Eating earlier, in the day work,
much better for myself rather than needing later in the day.
In fact, you know, over the pandemic, I didn't really have
access to the gym. I like going to the gym and so I
ran and, and it made me hungry. That's an interesting thing that
the the endurance sport really did drive my appetite and I
gained weight and lost muscle and You know, we turned that
around in the last year. Yeah, that's good.
That's good. I feel like running is great.
Like I enjoy running from time to time, but it definitely has a
different effect on overall appetites tidy than the weight
training. Did you notice any issues with
your joints at all? Like Nene, paint or anything?
Like that, once you took up the running?
Well, I've been athletic all my life.
So we won't talk about all my aches and pains and orthopedic
problems that I've been prone to have.
But, yeah, I, you have to find the right balance for both your,
you know, your cardio and endurance and it's different for
everybody. And it's not to say that cardio
is going to make somebody else hungry.
Like like it did for myself or You know, it might be that
resistance training makes people hungry.
So you just again find the right balance and listen to your body.
Totally, I don't want to throw you under the bus here but I
have some psychological questions for you with you
knowing all that, you know, and and having been in the space as
long as you have but admitting to deviating quite a bit from
nutrition and just routine over the past few years, but then
getting back on it. Now, what do you think was the
Catalyst for you getting off in the first place?
Cause I know a lot of All struggle with that, especially
these past two years with all the chaos that we've
experienced. So could you kind of speak to
that on a personal level? Yeah, definitely.
So you know it's it's really hard to have success in terms of
a goal in terms of health and nutrition if stress is coming
down upon you. So the you know, the important
things are that you have to have stress under control.
You have to Have sleep under control and you have to be in a
good way to make these types of successes.
And, you know, unfortunately, the past several years, have
really affected individuals including myself, I mean,
looking at, you know, mental health, physical health,
Financial Health, and you know, just it's just been devastating.
And so, you know, I try to exude some optimism to my That may be
still feeling a little bit blue and tell him that look you got
to pick yourself up and get back on track and and that's what
I've done for myself and will continue to encourage others to
do. It's got a pretty hard to with
you being you know physician because you're being that
optimistic sense of you know light and encouragement for so
many people. But oftentimes you know you're
not getting that yourself from some outside for so you gotta
kind of Drive to find that internally, which is much
harder. Yeah, well certainly empathy can
go a long way and, you know, during the pandemic we lost my
mother-in-law unrelated to pandemic.
But you know, things happen in people's lives and there's
always a brighter brighter light at the end of the tunnel.
Yeah, do you have any kind of routines or habits or protocols
that you've implemented since getting back on track that you
can kind of Leverage to Would you know, acts as an
accountability factor for so if you mentioned that you're
getting back into the training of the nutrition, but like
anything different with regards to, you know, morning routines
night, time routine, just anything that you can do to kind
of set yourself up for success. So I'm I like a regular routine
and so you know from my wife and myself we're empty nesters and
so we just you know try to get back into a regular routine it's
still fun coming to work, it's fun planning the conference,
it's fun talking to our patients.
The routine of the gym was Ali big for me.
I mean as you know, it's such a good mental release.
For lots of people going to the gym.
And, you know, it's always been the case for me over the decades
and and so is fun. Getting back into the gym and
seeing my friends there and to see some improvement.
The other aspect that I added to my workout was exercise
supplements. And I didn't know if you had
That on your list to discuss, but we'd researched it over
years, and we started taking creatine and nitric oxide
precursors and we've seen some gains and that's been fun as
well. Nice.
Nice with the creatine, I feel like there's so much research
around creatine, in some people seem to be able to notice a
pretty profound difference in their recovery soon.
After taking it, I've not really been able to feel any tangible
difference. Whether I take it or not, but
I'm convinced of the research. So I try to make it a habit to
take on a regular basis that my you know, muscle stay saturated
in. There's also been some
compelling information about it, benefiting the brain as of late
to have you noticed like what specific benefits of you nurse
with the creatine? Yeah, well, I started taking the
to supplements together. So it's hard to kind of separate
out the the benefit from it, but the first was that my, you know,
my strength, increased quite a bit and, and sorry Robert that
you didn't feel the effect. But my the recovery was insane,
really nice. And yeah, I you know, I still
even joke, I come home from the gym and I say to my wife, I'm
ready to go. Back to the gym because I you
know, the lactic acid acid burn, isn't there?
And go ahead? That's a that's a plus that's
what you want right there. Yeah, the recovery is just
insane. And so someone argue.
Well, okay, so you're on this this, this diet where you're,
you've increasing animal protein.
So you know what the heck do you need these types of supplements
because the creatine and the nitric oxide precursors you
would mention loose. Seeing all these things come
from, you know, red meats and animal proteins.
But again, this has been clearly researched in actually elderly
patients that show an increase in performance.
And so, you know, that's kind of the benefit of tech that we have
supplements out there that can really enhance.
Totally, are you doing like 5 grams of creatine a day?
I would assume. Yeah, so it's 32 it on days that
I don't work out. I take 3 grams of creatine on
days that I do work out. I take six grams and I split it.
Nice and this nitric oxide precursor.
Is that what is that? Exactly.
What are you taking for then? Yeah, so there's there's two
varieties l-citrulline there? Well, comes from many sources.
L-citrulline is more plant-based.
I think L-Arginine comes from red meat.
So I do the l-citrulline And, you know, the benefit from that
is that it increases blood flow to the muscle.
It lowers blood pressure, they think long term because of the
blood pressure, blood flow benefits that it may help with
brain function also with the erectile dysfunction.
So it's kind of this, it's got these super benefits to it and
they'll the whole class of nitric oxide precursor.
We actually Prescription medications that work on the
same pathway. So that combined with the
creatine is real real plus and Lou scenes.
The other one that I need to take a dive into and to learn a
little bit more about that one. Are you doing about six grams of
l-citrulline? I would imagine.
Yeah, 3 to 6 G. It's the same same thing.
Nice. Yeah, I feel like the the
l-citrulline I definitely do feel that I don't feel the
create. In.
But I don't doubt that it's working, but they also,
actually, I definitely do feel, especially like just with
overall blood flow while training intra workout.
So I need the, are you just getting like a bulk supplement
like a just a simple non-flavored powder.
How are you sourcing then? So I've tried it different
different ways. I found that the creatine -
monohydrate gives me diarrhea, where's the creatine HCL
doesn't? So I've done pal.
Cause I've been pills so I'm still kind of experimenting with
that nice. I'd love to kind of roll up our
sleeves and dive into the conference a little bit here.
So you've got the low-carb Denver coming in February I
believe right? That's correct.
And did you do it this year as well?
It was the last year that you had 2019.
Yeah, 2019 was the last year so it'll be three years.
Come February, and I'm happy to get the thing up and running
again and hope that it'll continue, and we've got a great
lineup of speakers over 30 of them. 28 talks, there's panel,
Qas. We have evening events.
We have exhibitors and sponsors and the Gaylord is just a
fantastic venue, right near the airport.
And again it's just I feel that my legacy is to educate about
nutrition and health and we get to do that through these types
of conferences. Yeah, the conference's are
amazing. I mean when when all the
conferences were were pretty much put on hold throughout the
pandemic years. They there's just Something
missing within the community. And now that those have been
kicking back up again, like we, I went to several this this year
and it was just so refreshing to see everybody's face again
interact with the different conference host and all the
guests and attendees and speakers.
Like it's just this is what the community has always needed and
will continue to always need their just nothing that compares
to True face to face interaction.
So I applaud you for getting that back up and running Yeah.
Well, you know it's interesting. It makes you wonder if people
have just gotten used to Virtual but honestly virtual serves a
purpose. You know, we're doing this
podcast today but there's nothing quite like being in
person. I I actually had gone to MHS
conference earlier this year and that was I hadn't been in a
conference in two years and again, you know, it's just great
to to see others passionate about Nutrition and health and
getting to spend time with them face-to-face, to enjoy the
lectures to share, ideas to go out and for dinner and drinks in
the evening. There's nothing like it.
And so, you know, we encourage your audience to consider coming
to more events and to get it to get that feel back.
Yeah, yeah. There's definitely.
No replacing that sensation. I mean, virtual like you said is
great. There's Only place for it but
nothing compares to you know, true face-to-face interaction.
Like like humans have been interacting for a long time.
So I'm super excited about it and I think it's great that
you're bringing on the variety of speakers that you are too.
A lot of times, these conferences will kind of act as
like an echo chamber. In a sense, like they'll bring
on the same types of speakers the same types of message.
So it was, it's awesome to see that you're bringing on a pretty
pretty broad, array of speakers with different backgrounds.
Different, you know, belief systems different.
Apologies around nutrition. You know I think it's great that
you get like laying Norton and Ken Berry speaking on the same
stage. That's was surprising to me, but
I love it. Yeah, well we made sure and
we've been guaranteed that there will be no fistfights.
But yeah, so Lane was really excited.
As a as I for him to come to the conference and we've done this
in the past where we've had, you know, speakers with different
opinions. And and the idea is that we want
to not be an echo chamber and we want to educate the the audience
so that they can. Really expand their Horizons and
our goal. At the end of the day, is to
hopefully find some common themes that we can all agree
upon. Yeah, I think that's that speaks
to to your level of just Excellence immaturity towards
hosting the conference because I think healthy discourse is one
of the most important aspects of human communication.
And when you have people with opposing views, I mean more
often than not times at night, there's a lot more common ground
that people realize and it takes Getting you know multiple people
sitting down and have a conversation together for that
to become revealed. But that is most certainly the
case at the end of the day, everybody wants the same thing
like we all want to be healthy, we all want to make everyone
around us healthier. So bringing on these differing
opinions to kind of share that common ground and kind of have a
little healthy discourse where there are some disagreements.
I think is a really, really good thing and I applaud you for
doing that. Thank you.
Well Ken berries funny. I he says you know, we're To
give you a truthful advice. We're not going to candy coat it
and I said that's great. And so I think we need opinions
or perspective from from the extreme and you know my role is
to kind of bring it all together and people might accuse me of
being a lame duck because I'm trying to find some common
themes. But again, our conference and
what we're trying to do serves its purpose, As much as the
agitators on social media server purpose.
Yeah 100% hundred percent. And I feel like you know all
this you know unhealthy discourse on social media is
often times they're just simply because it's on social media.
Social media is not a great platform for having healthy
debates because people feel shielded behind a screen where
nobody knows what they are who they are, what they're saying
and there's just no recourse to their actions.
Whereas in person people tend to be a lot more.
Or civil and respectful. And I think when you bring
people together in person like you're all with this conference
like there's not gonna be any fistfights.
I'm not worried about that at all.
Yeah. Well it's interesting over that,
that is true, but over the years gosh, I've been to some medical
conferences where it did get pretty heated.
Yeah, yeah I've had you know I've had Kent and Lane both in
the podcast different times, but I've got a lot of respect for
both of them. I mean all the people you've
got, you get coming to the show, I've had many of them on the
podcast, they're all very bright individuals.
I'll have something great to contribute to the conversation.
So I think it's, I think it's gonna be a great lineup without
a doubt. Yeah.
Well, you know, we're We're going to cover our last all
African. Excuse me, we'll cover all
aspects of nutrition. We're going to have a morning
devoted to the theme, which is where is New nutrition headed
and kind of approach that from from this, from the science
aspect of it will have a morning devoted to cardiovascular
disease. We're going to have some
discussion on female and male health and looking at sex
hormones, and we're going to have a discussion on
intermittent fasting. One topic is lipedema which you
may not have heard of that should be an interesting one and
various other topics in between. 1111 I don't want to do any
spoilers out there but you personally, where do you think
Going like as a theme, you know there seems to be like I feel
like keto as a Google searched. Buzzword probably reached its
Zenith from acute Spike standpoint probably in 2018
according to Google Trends but I feel like there's just this ever
growing body of people wanting to learn more and more about it.
And like we talked about earlier, there's kind of these
this this pendulum that shifts between different varieties of
the keto, a low-carb diet but based off of what you've seen
unfold over the the past several years.
And since you started the conference in 2016, where would
you say the momentum is heading? Yes.
Well, you know, it's kind of a play on things and you alluded
to it that you know what's going to be the latest and greatest
this year, what's it going to be next year?
And so, again, there has to be something sensible on long-term.
And so, you know, I believe, you know, a Whole Foods approach is,
is a common theme that we're always heading to achieve?
Should also mention that our keynote from will be from Bill
sienkiewicz. There and, you know, he kind of
looks at diet from an ancestral approach, so he's going to, he's
going to kick things off. And so, you know, the play on
that is that, you know what, what's the perfect macro
nutrient, mix and his point of view is that we should just just
eat, you know, whole on processed foods and and get away
from the the food desert that we've come to know, ya feel like
simply Having all these heavily processed foods returning to
just some degree of natural. You know what we've consumed,
the majority of our, you know, human evolution background and
then just consuming things that are as preserved in pristine as
possible. Makes a lot of sense and Bill
Schindler's, incredibly bright guy.
I'm actually taking him hunting later this year, at our family
farm and whenever he speaks, I mean, he just exudes passion,
like he's obviously A very passionate about the topic that
he's speaking on and you can't, you can't ignore that.
Like, when anybody speaking that passionate about a given topic
that they feel so strongly about, like, it's, you can't
ignore it and I think he is he's probably the best guy to speak
on that specific topic. So I'm very excited, you've got
him as the Keynote. Yes.
So he's his background is as an anthropologist.
Yeah. Yeah.
He knows I mean and he was at Quito country this year too and
he does like the Flint knapping. You know on-site.
He just got a host of knowledge around all things primitive
nutrition and I feel like that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, you can't possibly know where you're going.
As a species from a nutritional standpoint to.
You have pretty firm understanding of where you've
come from. And I feel like he showcases
that very Only well we're excited to have them.
Yeah. He's Top Flight for sure.
So one more time just to the listeners don't forget it.
When is this low-carbon a conference?
Yes, so, it's low carb conferences.com is the website
and the event is 20 February, 23 to 26.
That's next year, it'll be the weekend after President's Day
weekend. Perfect and tickets are up for
grabs now, right? Yes.
Absolutely. And we offer in-person and
virtual, although we do want to try to fill all the seats in
person. Awesome.
Well, dr. Gerber I will certainly spread.
Spread the news and shout it from the rooftops because I feel
like you have an amazing conference with a great lineup
of speakers and I'm just excited to have it.
Come back to reality and be face to face again.
I feel like like we were saying earlier having that as just an
integral part of building this community up stronger year after
year. So I can't thank you enough for
taking the time and effort to make this a reality.
Well, thanks Robert. And we hope to see you there or
next year and also your listeners.
Yes sir. I'm certainly planning on.
I've got it book that on my counter so I will see you soon.
Thank you. Take care.