1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,000 Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes keto, Savage.com to they 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,500 have special guest dr. Jeff, Gerber on the line and I 3 00:00:05,508 --> 00:00:09,000 wanted to pick his brain about the low-carb at Denver 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,200 conference, that he's got coming up in February and also wanted 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,700 to learn more about his backstory. 6 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:14,700 What him, what got him into medicine in the first place? 7 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:17,200 What got him into nutrition and just kind of dive a little 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,200 deeper into his upbringing backstory. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,300 So I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. 10 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:25,800 I've got a lot of excitement for this low carb Denver conference 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,100 coming up in February, is going to be a great lineup of 12 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,900 speakers. I'm going to learn a ton going 13 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:32,700 there. I encourage you all to listen to 14 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:35,600 podcast and definitely sign up for that event if you're 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,200 interested. So without further Ado, sit back 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,500 relax and enjoy the podcast with dr. 17 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:53,100 Jeff Gerber. And we are live dr. 18 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:55,800 Gerber Hawaii's her? Oh good. 19 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,400 Robert enjoying our Monday here in Denver. 20 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:01,400 Yeah. Denver is a good spot man. 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,500 I've been through Denver a few times and that's one of those 22 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:05,900 places that just just catches You by all. 23 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,800 It's just beautiful. Beautiful Mountain Country out 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,400 there. Yep, well we moved here back in 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,100 1993 from the east coast, and there's no turning back. 26 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:19,900 Yeah, a lot of people have been migrating to, to Denver 27 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:21,900 specifically. It seems like people exiting 28 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,800 California headed to call it to Colorado, I believe. 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,300 Yeah, it's it's beautiful out here and it's been growing quite 30 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,800 a bit over the years. It has and has. 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,300 So you are the man behind the low-carb Denver, which I've been 32 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:42,900 to, I think I went to the very first one which was in 2019. 33 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:48,400 Is that correct? We go back to 2016 Robert and 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 the first one in Denver was in 2019. 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,600 And you know thanks for your support. 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Yeah, no, it was it. Is great. 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,300 I mean, the the venue itself was amazing, breathtaking it in and 38 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:02,700 of itself within the conference was also just next level and 39 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:04,700 that's coming up here in a few months. 40 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:07,400 I love to dive into that. But before we do that, the kind 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,100 of just get more of your backstory. 42 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:12,400 So you're a family physician, but you've been really pushing 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,100 the needle for within the low-carb. 44 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:18,000 Keto space correct? Yes, that's correct. 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,400 Robert. And I can give you a little bit 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,400 more introduction. I've actually been a family 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,200 doctor for over. For 30 years, I can't believe 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,300 it's been that long actually finished my training back in 49 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:38,200 1990 very and yeah, and I'm still having a lot of fun doing 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,800 it. And, you know, the first ten 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,800 years I didn't know much about nutrition. 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 They they just taught us how to put out fires as a doctor in 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,600 primary care and just gotten frustrated that we weren't 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,000 really helping our patients and it was really about 10 years 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,400 into her career, that patients actually approached me saying 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,400 that they were trying different types of diets. 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,500 My father-in-law challenged me to lose some weight. 58 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:10,300 Doing an Atkins type of diet and what I found is that my patients 59 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:11,500 were losing weight, I was concerned. 60 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:14,200 They were going to have problems with their cholesterol and you 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,500 know heart disease risk, I lost 40 pounds but we, you know we 62 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:23,200 like to think outside the box be independent thinking and we lo 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,400 and behold, we found that metabolic markers actually. 64 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:29,000 Improved while these patients lost weight and went on these 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,200 particular diets. And I started to read about it 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,700 and the science made a lot of sense and so it began with, you 67 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,500 know educating our patients, then we went out on the speaker 68 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:42,900 circuit. You know this is like 23 years 69 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:47,500 ago, long time ago and there wasn't much social media at the 70 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:50,600 time. But started educating through 71 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,500 food lectures then I wrote a book, co-authored with Ivor, 72 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:56,300 Cummins eat rich. Live long. 73 00:03:56,700 --> 00:04:01,000 And then back in 2016, we started doing the conferences. 74 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:08,300 And the passion is basically to to teach people about better 75 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,200 nutrition. I love it. 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,600 I love it. What was your motivation for 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,500 getting into the medical space? At the very in the very 78 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:16,600 beginning before we even started dabbling with the keto, like 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,300 what was the numbers you come from a family of doctors or have 80 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,100 that come to be Yeah, you might have figured so it was in our 81 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,600 blood. Lots of doctors in the family. 82 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:30,700 Not necessarily interested in primary care and, and prevention 83 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:34,700 per se a new bit nutrition, but I have to credit my parents. 84 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,200 You know, we were all he's overweight and so, you know that 85 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,500 we were always looking at different types of diets and you 86 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:45,700 know, for my mother and father it goes back into the 70s. 87 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:49,500 They were kind of diet experts. And that really got me 88 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:52,400 interested in the Nutritional aspect. 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,200 What was the reigning champ of diets? 90 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,900 Back in the 70s that was before the low-fat craze, right? 91 00:04:57,900 --> 00:05:02,500 That was more like the 90s, Well, look, it was across the 92 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:10,600 board in the 70s, but it was I think it was a bit a low-fat and 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,100 then, you know, Atkins wasn't didn't came kind of shortly 94 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:17,500 after that. So you know, my mom was always 95 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:21,700 trying this. That, and the other thing got 96 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:24,000 you. So they kind of get their feet 97 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,600 wet with, you know, all the different dietary protocols were 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,200 they do in Family Medicine as well and they just had that 99 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,200 interest in. In nutrition, specifically are 100 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,200 heard and that they kind of go down that path. 101 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:40,900 Yeah, so my father was actually a photographer videographer, he 102 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:46,800 worked for NFL films, so he was busy filming filming the NFL, 103 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:51,100 and my mother was a radiology tech. 104 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,700 So did you know they? And, you know, there was a lot 105 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:56,800 of influence again, in healthcare. 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,900 So they were just interested in trying. 107 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:04,500 To maintain ideal body weight. So they would just try the 108 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:08,300 various things and I was I went along with them and it's 109 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:11,400 interesting. I remember, even before I knew 110 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,000 anything about diet and nutrition, there was there was 111 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,700 one one time we did the ice cream diet and it actually 112 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:22,900 worked. I've always been big into 113 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:25,700 exercise and once a week we would go out and stuff. 114 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:30,600 Our faces on ice cream and the rest of the time we were Just 115 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,400 careful with diet, mainly looking at the quantity of the 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,300 food and it worked for a time being. 117 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,200 And, you know, we yo-yoed back and forth and, you know, I would 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,000 say once I learned a little bit more about nutrition. 119 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,600 Back some 20 years ago, I've been able to maintain the 120 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,300 40-pound weight loss. Nice very nice. 121 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:51,800 So, when you get into medicine yourself and you were working as 122 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,200 a family doctor, what you seeing like, a, just a lot of pattern 123 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,500 recognition. When you were having these 124 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,400 clients come in these patients. Come in to your Or clinic. 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,200 And then just oftentimes being just dealing with the same 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,900 elements are very similar elements year after year. 127 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:10,200 After year, same people, same same patterns very much so 128 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:16,900 Robert so you know modern society did the big three that 129 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:21,100 we see each and every day in in family medicine or Primary Care 130 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:28,700 are obesity diabetes and heart disease and you know the 131 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:32,200 frustration to me is that we were just you know pushing 132 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,300 pushing pills and and telling people to eat less and exercise 133 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:40,800 more and As you know, that's just, it takes a lot of 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:48,700 willpower to convince patients to change their eating patterns, 135 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:52,400 in this way, a lot of motivation. 136 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:59,600 And so the focus shifted to not something that is driven by 137 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,400 willpower. But, but more, by finding foods 138 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,700 that satisfy the appetite. So at the end of the day, you're 139 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:11,200 not as your I was hungry and hopefully, you're actually 140 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,400 eating less but more nutrient, dense foods and that's kind of 141 00:08:15,407 --> 00:08:19,300 been the long-term approach. Yeah, I totally agree. 142 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:21,100 I think we're definitely speaking the same language when 143 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,600 it comes to following a ketogenic, you know, low carb 144 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,900 well-formulated diet. I felt there's been a lot of 145 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:30,000 pushback from various doctors in the space and also a lot of 146 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,400 people within, you know, the fitness industry, which I'm more 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,900 familiar with. I've, you know, this promotion 148 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:39,100 of having a well-balanced diet that includes all Rent food 149 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:42,900 groups and just as is consumed in moderation. 150 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:45,800 And many of the components for that argument suggests that 151 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:49,700 eliminating a food group or a macronutrient entirely is more 152 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:52,400 in line with an eating disorder than not. 153 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:56,900 So, like in that context and the clinical setting, do you feel 154 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,700 like there's much Merit to that or is it more? 155 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,200 So matter of just like educating these people about look, the 156 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,600 whole moderation thing obviously isn't really working for you. 157 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:08,100 Let's try and remove some of these hyper palatable Foods in 158 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:08,800 the first place. Eight. 159 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:13,900 Yeah, well look we can get into the the fitness aspect and how 160 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,700 nutrition ties into it because that's something that I'm very 161 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:22,000 passionate about and as we as we age, I'm going to be 62 next 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,100 week and you know, the importance of maintaining 163 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:30,400 healthy skeletal muscle becomes even more important. 164 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:37,100 And so the nutrition aspect I love to work with You know, 165 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,500 personal trainers that also focus on nutrition. 166 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,500 Because I think it's very important, and I think there's 167 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:50,200 various ways to fuel exercise, and it can be high carb, it can 168 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,400 be low carb, it can be high fat low fat, it all depends on the 169 00:09:53,400 --> 00:10:00,100 individual, but the pattern that we find, and it's typical for 170 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:05,700 most populations that, you know, two thirds of the population, 171 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:10,000 have a problem with insulin resistance, or pre-diabetes. 172 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,000 And so, when you're younger and life, you, you, you seem to be 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,900 somewhat Invincible. Thinking you can eat everything 174 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:22,400 and anything and you go to the gym and you Pound Down carbs and 175 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,200 caffeine may be some cigarettes while you're at it and you can 176 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,500 really perform well in the gym. But you know, that comes at a 177 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:34,600 price later in life. And we see, you know, young 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,200 athletes that as they age, they become insulin resistant. 179 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,400 And so the issue is that, you know, it may, it's probably the 180 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,200 carbohydrates that that's driving the insulin resistance 181 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,600 and the idea is that, as we age, we have to think about that. 182 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,600 And even, you know, people that the younger ones that focus on a 183 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,100 healthier diet, such as paleo diets where there Pounding down, 184 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,000 sweet, potato and fruit. Well, that might be fine, 185 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:11,400 younger and life, but as you age again, things change. 186 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,500 And you have to look at metabolic Health in these 187 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:17,900 athletes and it changes as time goes on. 188 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,200 Yeah, I like I personally don't really consume hardly any 189 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,900 carbohydrate at all really but I've never really been one to 190 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,500 want to demonize carbohydrates in their entirety, but I feel 191 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:31,300 like viewing the consumption of carbohydrates to build lens of 192 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:34,700 you got To earn your carbs, makes a lot of sense because 193 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:36,600 they're not an essential macronutrient. 194 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 I feel like a lot of these people that are struggling with, 195 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,600 you know, type 2, diabetes, heart disease obesity. 196 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,900 They're often times, not really putting forth, a lot of 197 00:11:45,908 --> 00:11:49,100 expenditure anyways, so they certainly don't need to be the 198 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:52,400 ones consuming 200, 300, 400 grams of carbs, plus a day. 199 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Right. So I if I understand Robert, 200 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,000 you're you're a carnivore and if I can ask, how long have you 201 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,500 focused on that type of eating? Yeah, I'm not like a strict 202 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,100 Carnival. I'm ketogenic for sure. 203 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:06,700 I haven't. I mean, I'll have occasional 204 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:10,100 veggies from time to time. I mean 90% of my nutrition is 205 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,600 coming from a carnivore, eska style of consumption but I've 206 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,900 been doing that now for, I guess almost 8 years coming next year. 207 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:23,400 So pretty good. Wow, yeah, well, excellent. 208 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,500 So, you know, I think carbohydrates server role, 209 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:30,900 they're kind of like the the After Burner fuel depending on 210 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:38,400 what your activity is and when you're in the gym lifting 211 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,800 weights. So that that's actually more of 212 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,100 a fast twitch fiber type of exercise. 213 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:49,700 And I think for myself and you may want to comment on On this, 214 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:55,300 I, that the carbohydrate consumption can contribute to 215 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:59,700 some of the explosive explosive 80 when you're, you know, when 216 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:05,300 you're really trying to push the barometer, but at the same time 217 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:09,800 you may also comment and challenge that you do find when 218 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,200 you're fueled by Fats alone in the gym. 219 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,700 Yeah, I certainly don't disagree with that sentiment at all. 220 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:18,300 I feel like, you know, being strictly key to adapt as long as 221 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:21,200 I have, I built up Was the metabolic Machinery necessary to 222 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,700 have that explosive style of training in the complete absence 223 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:27,300 of carbohydrates. I think a lot of athletes don't 224 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:29,500 stay straight, keto long enough to really tap into that 225 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:33,100 potential, it's like the bodies. I feel like the body is able to 226 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:35,800 up regulate the metabolic Machinery necessary to make the 227 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,500 most of the fuel, you're providing it. 228 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Now that said, I feel like there's a lot of people like, 229 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,800 said that aren't simply they just simply aren't eating that 230 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,200 way. Long enough to really take 231 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,900 advantage of that shift in metabolic function. 232 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,900 And also like I'm doing more so you know, weight training. 233 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,200 I feel like there's, you know, people that are doing long-term 234 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,600 endurance running. Like might mean I just got done 235 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,900 running 600 plus miles, you know he may find more benefit and 236 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,900 carbohydrate consumption than me who's doing mostly, you know, 237 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:07,700 weight training. But I feel like a lot of it for 238 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:11,000 me has been like a psychological thing because a lot of a lot of 239 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,500 the people in my Sport and sport of bodybuilding, they have this 240 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:15,800 really negative relationship with carbohydrate consumption, 241 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,800 the first place. So, I want to be an example to 242 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 them that They can perform at an elite level without the 243 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,900 carbohydrates. I used to struggle with them way 244 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:28,300 back when I was consuming them so being free of them as long as 245 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:30,900 I have now it's just kind of habituate this point. 246 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:32,800 I don't really feel like my performance has suffered so I 247 00:14:32,808 --> 00:14:34,300 haven't really felt the need to reintroduce them. 248 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:40,400 Yeah, well the endurance athletes also benefit in the 249 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:47,000 same way by becoming fat adapted and you know, they in fact the 250 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:52,100 argument is that the fat at the patient might work exceptionally 251 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:56,800 well for endurance athletes. There's been some records 252 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,900 climbing, climbing up the mountains. 253 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,100 I believe it was in the Himalayas that somebody said 254 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:07,400 that he was fat adapted and And went right up the mountain 255 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,900 without any problem at all. So it works both for endurance 256 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,600 and for resistance training as well. 257 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,800 And I know for myself that I used to play a lot of tennis, my 258 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,600 wife and I do pickleball. Now, if you think that's a 259 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,300 sport, it's actually quite a bit of fun, but when I was a lot 260 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:29,500 heavier, I would just constantly have to have carbohydrates 261 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:37,000 snacks, and years later. Now, I You find in the gym. 262 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:41,300 I enjoy going to the gym fasted, I'll eat after I go to the gym 263 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:45,800 or if I play sports tennis or pickleball or even going skiing, 264 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,200 believe it or not, you can go skiing all day and you just 265 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,900 hydrate you're not even hungry. And and again getting back into 266 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:55,900 the gym with resistance training. 267 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:59,100 Look at, you know, I'm an older guy and this year I've made some 268 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:03,000 gains that was my resolution after the chaos. 269 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,400 The last couple years to get back to into the Jim. 270 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,200 And I've been building up muscle again. 271 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:13,500 And I really don't find that I have any deficits by restricting 272 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:15,300 the carbohydrate. Yeah. 273 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:18,000 Feel like, especially as you age, you know, as you mentioned 274 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 earlier, weight training, just preserving as much skeletal 275 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,900 muscle tissue and building as much as you can, is going to be 276 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:25,400 the best. You know, thing that you can do 277 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,200 to set yourself up for Success from a longevity standpoint. 278 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:32,100 When it comes to also losing some of that insulin 279 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:34,600 sensitivity. As you age, I think it just 280 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:38,600 keeps Going in favor of Fallen, low carb, ketogenic diet, you 281 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,900 know, year after year, after year from a longevity 282 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:44,100 standpoint, there seems to be a lot of debate right now within 283 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:48,100 the keto space about ample protein requirements for 284 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:50,800 building muscle for a while there it was, you know, don't 285 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,300 consume too much protein as it's going to contribute to 286 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,400 gluconeogenesis and that's going to kick you out of ketosis. 287 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,500 And now, it seems that proteins been given a Halo, almost to the 288 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,700 extent of people. Almost becoming fearful of too 289 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:04,099 much. Dietary fat, can you speak on 290 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:05,900 that? Some like, what have You noticed 291 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:08,099 in just your own self experimentation and in your 292 00:17:08,099 --> 00:17:11,400 clinic when people titrating protein up versus down versus 293 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,300 the back of some sweet spot that you're finding people most 294 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:16,300 settling in. Yeah. 295 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:21,599 So I think a couple years back, it is true that we were kind of 296 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,500 talking about restricting protein intake, and run 297 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:30,300 Rosedale. Actually had a lot of input into 298 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,300 that. But looking at this, the science 299 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:39,100 and Research of late. I think that the protein is 300 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:42,500 quite beneficial as you as you age. 301 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:49,300 And, you know, we usually talk about arranged 80 to 120 grams 302 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:53,700 of protein and an up and, you know, it can be a, you know, a 303 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:57,100 gram per pound of lean body mass. 304 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:04,300 And so first of all, protein, animal protein foods tend to be 305 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:07,300 nutrient. It's and so the nutrients are 306 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:13,200 really important in terms of overall health and providing a 307 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:22,000 satiety signal unto themselves. The other aspect is that we 308 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,600 traditionally talked about very high fat diets and they do make 309 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,200 sense when you have a problem with insulin. 310 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,300 If your insulin resistant or diabetic or pre-diabetic and you 311 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,700 need to lose some weight. So initially a high-fat diet can 312 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:40,700 be very sick satiating, but the problem is that fat itself is 313 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:44,200 not very nutrient dense, its energy dense. 314 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:50,500 And so on the long term, we tend to recommend backing down on fat 315 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:54,800 intake eating Fat to fill, in fact, been been bickman, who has 316 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,300 been to our conference. He's a researcher and a 317 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:02,300 wonderful professor and teacher. He uses a little radiation to 318 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:07,600 describe kind of the long term in terms of nutrients and that 319 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600 is that you want to fill with fat. 320 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,300 Meaning you just eat enough fat to fill and then you prioritize 321 00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:21,100 your protein and then you control your carbohydrate and we 322 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:25,400 actually absolutely love that. And this is what we discussed 323 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,500 with our patients all the time. Yes. 324 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:32,600 Like a pretty safe range. For most people to fit in is 325 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,300 like a one to one ratio of protein grams to fat grams. 326 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,000 So it's going to wind up being about 68 percent of total 327 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,600 calories coming from fat with a protein if you're doing that. 328 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:43,400 At 121. Of course it's going to, you 329 00:19:43,408 --> 00:19:46,600 know, change depending on training load level of lean 330 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,500 tissue etc etc. But it seems to be a pretty 331 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,100 General sweet spot for most people that that as perfect. 332 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:59,600 We actually tell people long-term that the fat grams can 333 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:05,200 be equal to or less than the protein G nice when it comes to 334 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,200 meal frequency. So there's there's been all 335 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,400 these, you know the pendulum keep swinging on multiple 336 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,300 different things within the The key to research space and for a 337 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:18,300 while it was all about increasing fasting time 338 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:22,300 basically to ramp up, you know, apoptosis Atop A G. 339 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:25,600 All these Buzz words that we hear and with all the the 340 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,400 upcoming research on protein that we're seeing, there seems 341 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,500 to be a compelling argument for consuming at least 30 grams of 342 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:35,600 protein per meal to make the most of muscle protein synthesis 343 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:38,000 and consume enough leucine for that to occur. 344 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,600 So those kind of compete for another should. 345 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,100 There should there be I can balance between fasting time and 346 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:47,000 feeding frequency or what do you think makes the most sense for 347 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,900 general public there? Well for myself, rather than 348 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:57,200 dying in diving into the science part of it is that I let people 349 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:04,200 eat when they're hungry. So it's just what I refer to as 350 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,300 mindfulness just paying attention to how the body feels. 351 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:14,000 And that it seems that people tend to eat less frequently when 352 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,400 when they are adapting to these types of diets and so forth. 44 353 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,200 for our patients. We talked about optimally eating 354 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,800 once or twice a day, however that doesn't even work for some. 355 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,200 Some people need to eat three meals a day but definitely this 356 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:34,100 snacking in between, we know that's out and going for longer 357 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:39,000 periods of time where the body has to rely on its own Energy, 358 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,500 may be beneficial long-term. And so I just think that if you 359 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:48,400 get your proper protein, requirement in through the day, 360 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,500 whether you're You're eating it one meal or three meals a day is 361 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,300 just fine. Yeah, I agree. 362 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,300 I feel like just simply listening to your body which is 363 00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,700 so much easier to do once you become fat adapted, because 364 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:02,200 you're not having those crazy swings and highs and lows with 365 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,700 blood glucose and Insulin. So you're able to tap into that 366 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,200 intuition quite a bit more when it comes to like your own 367 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,500 personal consumption and diet, what does that look like? 368 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,500 Are you eating a lot of vegetation? 369 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:17,100 Are you eating like how do you typically structure a day of 370 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,800 eating for yourself? Right. 371 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,900 Well, we won't talk about my diet over the past several 372 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:27,800 years, which wasn't as good as as I would have liked it to be. 373 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:33,400 But, you know, again this this year I got back on track back to 374 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,900 the gym and my diet is again, animal protein and vegetable 375 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:41,100 based. And so, I found when I went back 376 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:46,500 to the gym, is that my craving for, you know, animal protein in 377 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,100 red meat did increase quite a A bit. 378 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:55,100 And you know again after I work out I like I like to to to eat a 379 00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,700 meal. And so that's when I'll I'll 380 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:00,900 tend to increase eat most of my protein. 381 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:09,000 I Did my own experiment and found that eating in the 382 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,600 morning? Eating earlier, in the day work, 383 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,100 much better for myself rather than needing later in the day. 384 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,500 In fact, you know, over the pandemic, I didn't really have 385 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,400 access to the gym. I like going to the gym and so I 386 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,900 ran and, and it made me hungry. That's an interesting thing that 387 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:30,300 the the endurance sport really did drive my appetite and I 388 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:35,700 gained weight and lost muscle and You know, we turned that 389 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,400 around in the last year. Yeah, that's good. 390 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,400 That's good. I feel like running is great. 391 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,900 Like I enjoy running from time to time, but it definitely has a 392 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:49,300 different effect on overall appetites tidy than the weight 393 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,500 training. Did you notice any issues with 394 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:53,200 your joints at all? Like Nene, paint or anything? 395 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,500 Like that, once you took up the running? 396 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,200 Well, I've been athletic all my life. 397 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,400 So we won't talk about all my aches and pains and orthopedic 398 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,200 problems that I've been prone to have. 399 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:13,700 But, yeah, I, you have to find the right balance for both your, 400 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,500 you know, your cardio and endurance and it's different for 401 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:19,800 everybody. And it's not to say that cardio 402 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,200 is going to make somebody else hungry. 403 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,300 Like like it did for myself or You know, it might be that 404 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,300 resistance training makes people hungry. 405 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,200 So you just again find the right balance and listen to your body. 406 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,900 Totally, I don't want to throw you under the bus here but I 407 00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:38,800 have some psychological questions for you with you 408 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,600 knowing all that, you know, and and having been in the space as 409 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,500 long as you have but admitting to deviating quite a bit from 410 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,900 nutrition and just routine over the past few years, but then 411 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,800 getting back on it. Now, what do you think was the 412 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,700 Catalyst for you getting off in the first place? 413 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,700 Cause I know a lot of All struggle with that, especially 414 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,300 these past two years with all the chaos that we've 415 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,400 experienced. So could you kind of speak to 416 00:25:00,408 --> 00:25:04,000 that on a personal level? Yeah, definitely. 417 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:11,600 So you know it's it's really hard to have success in terms of 418 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:17,800 a goal in terms of health and nutrition if stress is coming 419 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,400 down upon you. So the you know, the important 420 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,400 things are that you have to have stress under control. 421 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,900 You have to Have sleep under control and you have to be in a 422 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,200 good way to make these types of successes. 423 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,600 And, you know, unfortunately, the past several years, have 424 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,700 really affected individuals including myself, I mean, 425 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:45,500 looking at, you know, mental health, physical health, 426 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:50,000 Financial Health, and you know, just it's just been devastating. 427 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,800 And so, you know, I try to exude some optimism to my That may be 428 00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:01,300 still feeling a little bit blue and tell him that look you got 429 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:05,800 to pick yourself up and get back on track and and that's what 430 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,500 I've done for myself and will continue to encourage others to 431 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,700 do. It's got a pretty hard to with 432 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,900 you being you know physician because you're being that 433 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,900 optimistic sense of you know light and encouragement for so 434 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:21,600 many people. But oftentimes you know you're 435 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,300 not getting that yourself from some outside for so you gotta 436 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,000 kind of Drive to find that internally, which is much 437 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 harder. Yeah, well certainly empathy can 438 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,600 go a long way and, you know, during the pandemic we lost my 439 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,400 mother-in-law unrelated to pandemic. 440 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,600 But you know, things happen in people's lives and there's 441 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,500 always a brighter brighter light at the end of the tunnel. 442 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:53,800 Yeah, do you have any kind of routines or habits or protocols 443 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,000 that you've implemented since getting back on track that you 444 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,500 can kind of Leverage to Would you know, acts as an 445 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,200 accountability factor for so if you mentioned that you're 446 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,400 getting back into the training of the nutrition, but like 447 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600 anything different with regards to, you know, morning routines 448 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,600 night, time routine, just anything that you can do to kind 449 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:17,300 of set yourself up for success. So I'm I like a regular routine 450 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:26,100 and so you know from my wife and myself we're empty nesters and 451 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:33,000 so we just you know try to get back into a regular routine it's 452 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,200 still fun coming to work, it's fun planning the conference, 453 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000 it's fun talking to our patients. 454 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,400 The routine of the gym was Ali big for me. 455 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:47,100 I mean as you know, it's such a good mental release. 456 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,300 For lots of people going to the gym. 457 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:55,300 And, you know, it's always been the case for me over the decades 458 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:58,400 and and so is fun. Getting back into the gym and 459 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,900 seeing my friends there and to see some improvement. 460 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:09,700 The other aspect that I added to my workout was exercise 461 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:11,700 supplements. And I didn't know if you had 462 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,500 That on your list to discuss, but we'd researched it over 463 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:20,200 years, and we started taking creatine and nitric oxide 464 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,900 precursors and we've seen some gains and that's been fun as 465 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:25,900 well. Nice. 466 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,300 Nice with the creatine, I feel like there's so much research 467 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,900 around creatine, in some people seem to be able to notice a 468 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:36,400 pretty profound difference in their recovery soon. 469 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,600 After taking it, I've not really been able to feel any tangible 470 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,400 difference. Whether I take it or not, but 471 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200 I'm convinced of the research. So I try to make it a habit to 472 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,800 take on a regular basis that my you know, muscle stay saturated 473 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,900 in. There's also been some 474 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:53,400 compelling information about it, benefiting the brain as of late 475 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,400 to have you noticed like what specific benefits of you nurse 476 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,000 with the creatine? Yeah, well, I started taking the 477 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,400 to supplements together. So it's hard to kind of separate 478 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,300 out the the benefit from it, but the first was that my, you know, 479 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:18,000 my strength, increased quite a bit and, and sorry Robert that 480 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 you didn't feel the effect. But my the recovery was insane, 481 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,000 really nice. And yeah, I you know, I still 482 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,900 even joke, I come home from the gym and I say to my wife, I'm 483 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,000 ready to go. Back to the gym because I you 484 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 know, the lactic acid acid burn, isn't there? 485 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,800 And go ahead? That's a that's a plus that's 486 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,300 what you want right there. Yeah, the recovery is just 487 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,400 insane. And so someone argue. 488 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,400 Well, okay, so you're on this this, this diet where you're, 489 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,200 you've increasing animal protein. 490 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,400 So you know what the heck do you need these types of supplements 491 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,500 because the creatine and the nitric oxide precursors you 492 00:29:58,508 --> 00:30:00,500 would mention loose. Seeing all these things come 493 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:03,200 from, you know, red meats and animal proteins. 494 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,800 But again, this has been clearly researched in actually elderly 495 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,400 patients that show an increase in performance. 496 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,300 And so, you know, that's kind of the benefit of tech that we have 497 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,000 supplements out there that can really enhance. 498 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,900 Totally, are you doing like 5 grams of creatine a day? 499 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:31,700 I would assume. Yeah, so it's 32 it on days that 500 00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:34,400 I don't work out. I take 3 grams of creatine on 501 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,100 days that I do work out. I take six grams and I split it. 502 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Nice and this nitric oxide precursor. 503 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Is that what is that? Exactly. 504 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,800 What are you taking for then? Yeah, so there's there's two 505 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,700 varieties l-citrulline there? Well, comes from many sources. 506 00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:53,100 L-citrulline is more plant-based. 507 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,700 I think L-Arginine comes from red meat. 508 00:30:55,700 --> 00:31:01,200 So I do the l-citrulline And, you know, the benefit from that 509 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,000 is that it increases blood flow to the muscle. 510 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,700 It lowers blood pressure, they think long term because of the 511 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,400 blood pressure, blood flow benefits that it may help with 512 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,500 brain function also with the erectile dysfunction. 513 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,900 So it's kind of this, it's got these super benefits to it and 514 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,900 they'll the whole class of nitric oxide precursor. 515 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,900 We actually Prescription medications that work on the 516 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:35,300 same pathway. So that combined with the 517 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:40,500 creatine is real real plus and Lou scenes. 518 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:44,300 The other one that I need to take a dive into and to learn a 519 00:31:44,308 --> 00:31:47,900 little bit more about that one. Are you doing about six grams of 520 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,100 l-citrulline? I would imagine. 521 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,900 Yeah, 3 to 6 G. It's the same same thing. 522 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:55,900 Nice. Yeah, I feel like the the 523 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,700 l-citrulline I definitely do feel that I don't feel the 524 00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:58,300 create. In. 525 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400 But I don't doubt that it's working, but they also, 526 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,600 actually, I definitely do feel, especially like just with 527 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,500 overall blood flow while training intra workout. 528 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600 So I need the, are you just getting like a bulk supplement 529 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,700 like a just a simple non-flavored powder. 530 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:17,900 How are you sourcing then? So I've tried it different 531 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,000 different ways. I found that the creatine - 532 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:25,400 monohydrate gives me diarrhea, where's the creatine HCL 533 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:27,900 doesn't? So I've done pal. 534 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,100 Cause I've been pills so I'm still kind of experimenting with 535 00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:33,700 that nice. I'd love to kind of roll up our 536 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,900 sleeves and dive into the conference a little bit here. 537 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:39,000 So you've got the low-carb Denver coming in February I 538 00:32:39,008 --> 00:32:41,900 believe right? That's correct. 539 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400 And did you do it this year as well? 540 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,900 It was the last year that you had 2019. 541 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:53,300 Yeah, 2019 was the last year so it'll be three years. 542 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,700 Come February, and I'm happy to get the thing up and running 543 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,200 again and hope that it'll continue, and we've got a great 544 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:10,300 lineup of speakers over 30 of them. 28 talks, there's panel, 545 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,600 Qas. We have evening events. 546 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,700 We have exhibitors and sponsors and the Gaylord is just a 547 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:22,100 fantastic venue, right near the airport. 548 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:28,400 And again it's just I feel that my legacy is to educate about 549 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,600 nutrition and health and we get to do that through these types 550 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,800 of conferences. Yeah, the conference's are 551 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,600 amazing. I mean when when all the 552 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,400 conferences were were pretty much put on hold throughout the 553 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,700 pandemic years. They there's just Something 554 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,800 missing within the community. And now that those have been 555 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,900 kicking back up again, like we, I went to several this this year 556 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,300 and it was just so refreshing to see everybody's face again 557 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,700 interact with the different conference host and all the 558 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,500 guests and attendees and speakers. 559 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,900 Like it's just this is what the community has always needed and 560 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,400 will continue to always need their just nothing that compares 561 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,500 to True face to face interaction. 562 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,200 So I applaud you for getting that back up and running Yeah. 563 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,199 Well, you know it's interesting. It makes you wonder if people 564 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,600 have just gotten used to Virtual but honestly virtual serves a 565 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,500 purpose. You know, we're doing this 566 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,600 podcast today but there's nothing quite like being in 567 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,600 person. I I actually had gone to MHS 568 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,500 conference earlier this year and that was I hadn't been in a 569 00:34:27,507 --> 00:34:32,400 conference in two years and again, you know, it's just great 570 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,300 to to see others passionate about Nutrition and health and 571 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:42,500 getting to spend time with them face-to-face, to enjoy the 572 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:50,400 lectures to share, ideas to go out and for dinner and drinks in 573 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,400 the evening. There's nothing like it. 574 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,400 And so, you know, we encourage your audience to consider coming 575 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,800 to more events and to get it to get that feel back. 576 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,000 Yeah, yeah. There's definitely. 577 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,900 No replacing that sensation. I mean, virtual like you said is 578 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,600 great. There's Only place for it but 579 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400 nothing compares to you know, true face-to-face interaction. 580 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,400 Like like humans have been interacting for a long time. 581 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,700 So I'm super excited about it and I think it's great that 582 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,300 you're bringing on the variety of speakers that you are too. 583 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,400 A lot of times, these conferences will kind of act as 584 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,700 like an echo chamber. In a sense, like they'll bring 585 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,900 on the same types of speakers the same types of message. 586 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,000 So it was, it's awesome to see that you're bringing on a pretty 587 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,000 pretty broad, array of speakers with different backgrounds. 588 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,400 Different, you know, belief systems different. 589 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,800 Apologies around nutrition. You know I think it's great that 590 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000 you get like laying Norton and Ken Berry speaking on the same 591 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,600 stage. That's was surprising to me, but 592 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,400 I love it. Yeah, well we made sure and 593 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,100 we've been guaranteed that there will be no fistfights. 594 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:56,900 But yeah, so Lane was really excited. 595 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,100 As a as I for him to come to the conference and we've done this 596 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,700 in the past where we've had, you know, speakers with different 597 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,800 opinions. And and the idea is that we want 598 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,000 to not be an echo chamber and we want to educate the the audience 599 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,200 so that they can. Really expand their Horizons and 600 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,000 our goal. At the end of the day, is to 601 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,100 hopefully find some common themes that we can all agree 602 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,900 upon. Yeah, I think that's that speaks 603 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:30,900 to to your level of just Excellence immaturity towards 604 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,600 hosting the conference because I think healthy discourse is one 605 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,800 of the most important aspects of human communication. 606 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,300 And when you have people with opposing views, I mean more 607 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,800 often than not times at night, there's a lot more common ground 608 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,500 that people realize and it takes Getting you know multiple people 609 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,400 sitting down and have a conversation together for that 610 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,800 to become revealed. But that is most certainly the 611 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,500 case at the end of the day, everybody wants the same thing 612 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:57,100 like we all want to be healthy, we all want to make everyone 613 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,400 around us healthier. So bringing on these differing 614 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,100 opinions to kind of share that common ground and kind of have a 615 00:37:04,107 --> 00:37:07,000 little healthy discourse where there are some disagreements. 616 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,400 I think is a really, really good thing and I applaud you for 617 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,800 doing that. Thank you. 618 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,300 Well Ken berries funny. I he says you know, we're To 619 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,900 give you a truthful advice. We're not going to candy coat it 620 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,900 and I said that's great. And so I think we need opinions 621 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:31,300 or perspective from from the extreme and you know my role is 622 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:35,300 to kind of bring it all together and people might accuse me of 623 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:38,300 being a lame duck because I'm trying to find some common 624 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:42,700 themes. But again, our conference and 625 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,000 what we're trying to do serves its purpose, As much as the 626 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,700 agitators on social media server purpose. 627 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,400 Yeah 100% hundred percent. And I feel like you know all 628 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,500 this you know unhealthy discourse on social media is 629 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,000 often times they're just simply because it's on social media. 630 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,100 Social media is not a great platform for having healthy 631 00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,200 debates because people feel shielded behind a screen where 632 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,800 nobody knows what they are who they are, what they're saying 633 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,600 and there's just no recourse to their actions. 634 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000 Whereas in person people tend to be a lot more. 635 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,300 Or civil and respectful. And I think when you bring 636 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,300 people together in person like you're all with this conference 637 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,900 like there's not gonna be any fistfights. 638 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:22,900 I'm not worried about that at all. 639 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,600 Yeah. Well it's interesting over that, 640 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600 that is true, but over the years gosh, I've been to some medical 641 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,300 conferences where it did get pretty heated. 642 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,300 Yeah, yeah I've had you know I've had Kent and Lane both in 643 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:40,200 the podcast different times, but I've got a lot of respect for 644 00:38:40,207 --> 00:38:42,000 both of them. I mean all the people you've 645 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 got, you get coming to the show, I've had many of them on the 646 00:38:44,008 --> 00:38:46,200 podcast, they're all very bright individuals. 647 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,700 I'll have something great to contribute to the conversation. 648 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,600 So I think it's, I think it's gonna be a great lineup without 649 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,000 a doubt. Yeah. 650 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,400 Well, you know, we're We're going to cover our last all 651 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,700 African. Excuse me, we'll cover all 652 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,300 aspects of nutrition. We're going to have a morning 653 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,500 devoted to the theme, which is where is New nutrition headed 654 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:15,100 and kind of approach that from from this, from the science 655 00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:19,300 aspect of it will have a morning devoted to cardiovascular 656 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:21,700 disease. We're going to have some 657 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:29,300 discussion on female and male health and looking at sex 658 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:34,100 hormones, and we're going to have a discussion on 659 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:39,800 intermittent fasting. One topic is lipedema which you 660 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,300 may not have heard of that should be an interesting one and 661 00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:49,500 various other topics in between. 1111 I don't want to do any 662 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:53,100 spoilers out there but you personally, where do you think 663 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,900 Going like as a theme, you know there seems to be like I feel 664 00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:02,000 like keto as a Google searched. Buzzword probably reached its 665 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,600 Zenith from acute Spike standpoint probably in 2018 666 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,600 according to Google Trends but I feel like there's just this ever 667 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,700 growing body of people wanting to learn more and more about it. 668 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,600 And like we talked about earlier, there's kind of these 669 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,100 this this pendulum that shifts between different varieties of 670 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,300 the keto, a low-carb diet but based off of what you've seen 671 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,000 unfold over the the past several years. 672 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,600 And since you started the conference in 2016, where would 673 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,300 you say the momentum is heading? Yes. 674 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,800 Well, you know, it's kind of a play on things and you alluded 675 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800 to it that you know what's going to be the latest and greatest 676 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,900 this year, what's it going to be next year? 677 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,200 And so, again, there has to be something sensible on long-term. 678 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,300 And so, you know, I believe, you know, a Whole Foods approach is, 679 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:58,500 is a common theme that we're always heading to achieve? 680 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,400 Should also mention that our keynote from will be from Bill 681 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,700 sienkiewicz. There and, you know, he kind of 682 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,400 looks at diet from an ancestral approach, so he's going to, he's 683 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:16,000 going to kick things off. And so, you know, the play on 684 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,600 that is that, you know what, what's the perfect macro 685 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,300 nutrient, mix and his point of view is that we should just just 686 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,900 eat, you know, whole on processed foods and and get away 687 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:32,100 from the the food desert that we've come to know, ya feel like 688 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,200 simply Having all these heavily processed foods returning to 689 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,000 just some degree of natural. You know what we've consumed, 690 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,100 the majority of our, you know, human evolution background and 691 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:49,300 then just consuming things that are as preserved in pristine as 692 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,300 possible. Makes a lot of sense and Bill 693 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:53,800 Schindler's, incredibly bright guy. 694 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,500 I'm actually taking him hunting later this year, at our family 695 00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:01,500 farm and whenever he speaks, I mean, he just exudes passion, 696 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,200 like he's obviously A very passionate about the topic that 697 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,500 he's speaking on and you can't, you can't ignore that. 698 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,000 Like, when anybody speaking that passionate about a given topic 699 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,900 that they feel so strongly about, like, it's, you can't 700 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,800 ignore it and I think he is he's probably the best guy to speak 701 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000 on that specific topic. So I'm very excited, you've got 702 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,100 him as the Keynote. Yes. 703 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,300 So he's his background is as an anthropologist. 704 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,900 Yeah. Yeah. 705 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,100 He knows I mean and he was at Quito country this year too and 706 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,500 he does like the Flint knapping. You know on-site. 707 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,000 He just got a host of knowledge around all things primitive 708 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,500 nutrition and I feel like that makes a lot of sense. 709 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,500 I mean, you can't possibly know where you're going. 710 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,900 As a species from a nutritional standpoint to. 711 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,700 You have pretty firm understanding of where you've 712 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,200 come from. And I feel like he showcases 713 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,000 that very Only well we're excited to have them. 714 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,500 Yeah. He's Top Flight for sure. 715 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,700 So one more time just to the listeners don't forget it. 716 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,700 When is this low-carbon a conference? 717 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:06,300 Yes, so, it's low carb conferences.com is the website 718 00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:10,400 and the event is 20 February, 23 to 26. 719 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,800 That's next year, it'll be the weekend after President's Day 720 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,900 weekend. Perfect and tickets are up for 721 00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:20,200 grabs now, right? Yes. 722 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,900 Absolutely. And we offer in-person and 723 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:28,200 virtual, although we do want to try to fill all the seats in 724 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,700 person. Awesome. 725 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,300 Well, dr. Gerber I will certainly spread. 726 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,200 Spread the news and shout it from the rooftops because I feel 727 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,300 like you have an amazing conference with a great lineup 728 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,000 of speakers and I'm just excited to have it. 729 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,800 Come back to reality and be face to face again. 730 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,300 I feel like like we were saying earlier having that as just an 731 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,600 integral part of building this community up stronger year after 732 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,500 year. So I can't thank you enough for 733 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:53,200 taking the time and effort to make this a reality. 734 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,700 Well, thanks Robert. And we hope to see you there or 735 00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,000 next year and also your listeners. 736 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,700 Yes sir. I'm certainly planning on. 737 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,200 I've got it book that on my counter so I will see you soon. 738 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,300 Thank you. Take care.