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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents Roberts? 

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Thanks. 
Kiddo. 

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Savage.com today. 
I've got special guest, Chris 

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Crowley on the line. 
He and I have been in contact 

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via Instagram for like three 
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Now. 
I've kind of seen his 

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competitive bodybuilding Journey
unfold from as he says, from 

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fatty to Nanny bodybuilder. 
He's lost a ton of weight. 

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He's done a, you know, ketogenic
diet, throughout his whole 

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competition career and he's 
honestly just totally turned his

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health and his life around 180 
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So he's got a very inspiring 
story. 

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I learned a ton from him. 
I really appreciate the A person

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that he is, I'm excited for what
his future holds and how it 

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continues to impact and inspire 
people in a positive way. 

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So I have no doubt that you'll 
take something from this 

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conversation. 
Without further Ado, sit back, 

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relax. 
Enjoy the podcast with Chris. 

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We are live. 
Chris. 

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How are you man? 
I'm doing great. 

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How are you Robert? 
I'm doing wonderfully well 

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myself. 
So I'm excited to get you on the

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podcast because As you and I 
have been in touch on social 

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media. 
Instagram predominantly for how 

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many years now, probably like 
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Maybe I would say three. 
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And you reached out about three 
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And you had you, I was just kind
of watching your journey unfold.

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You were pretty heavy set to 
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You did a show lost a lot of 
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And then you just enter a show. 
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show? 
Last year was about correct? 

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I did two shows left. 
Last year and you looked 

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phenomenal. 
I mean like the the 

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transformation from your before 
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recent to competition. 
Appearance is just super 

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impressive, man. 
You've got a. 

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You just started out doing a new
YouTube channel, your Instagrams

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fatty tuna fatty body butter, 
which is just, I like the play 

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on words there. 
So I want to see just wanted to 

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get you on the podcast kind of 
Dive In Your Story man, because 

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I've seen your journey on the 
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just wanted to dive deeper into 
a brother. 

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Thank you. 
It is an honor to do this. 

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Yes, probably back in 2018, is 
when I discussed, when I started

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endeavoring into natural 
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I'm I'm 47 now. 
And from the time I was probably

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thirty eight until maybe until I
started endeavoring it to the 

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Natural bodybuilding. 
I was very heavy. 

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Set, probably the high, the 
heaviest I got during that 

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timeframe was probably close to 
run 270 pounds. 

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I and then I went to, I was in 
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I ran into while I was at the 
holiday and they have not 

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Holiday Inn on my little, my 
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completely different Hotel 
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They're not was at the little 
happy hour thing and there was 

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this guy across The restaurant 
his name's Dave Bowers. 

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He's a promoter with the NPC out
in Indianapolis. 

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He's a big bodybuilder. 
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had muscles popping out of it 
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when I decided. 
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I would have been, I mean wanted
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decided at that point out. 
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I'm going Endeavor to do this 
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just it's one of those things 
where Time is of the essence and

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sooner or later all the things 
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You won't have time to do any 
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So, so I'm going to do this. 
I had to be natural because for 

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the health reasons and also my 
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didn't want me doing that stuff.
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performance-enhancing drugs, so 
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It already prescribed me to be 
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So in order to do that I said, 
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Well ketogenic bodybuilding it. 
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the two terms don't normally go 
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But when I looked up YouTube for
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was the first channel I Came 
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guess. 
You can say that you helped 

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create this monster. 
Well, no, I mean, you've been 

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the one, put in the work, man. 
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credit there. 
I mean, you're the one that's 

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put in the work at the one 
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You must put in the training and
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So kudos to you for making that 
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But I mean Bonnie bully man like
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going to do. 
That was it like an aha moment 

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for you, when you realize, hey, 
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this isn't healthy. 
My health is compromised. 

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Was there like a catalyst for 
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make 180 degree shift like them?
Yes. 

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Yes. 
Thank you for asking that. 

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I was on. 
I'm sorry. 

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I'm getting a little emotional. 
I was on two different blood 

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pressure medicines at the time 
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taken double the dose double the
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by my doctor. 
My doctor said, I need you to 

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take two of these pills, when 
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And so I was dealing with that. 
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pressure was still on the higher
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My father, he had his first 
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recovered, okay? 
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50s, and he never really fully 
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I mean, he's still alive and 
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really fully recovered from it. 
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get around that much that well 
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1995. 
So I was looking at if I didn't 

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start changing my life right 
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I was going to have those same 
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and then the quality of life for
my my wife, and my two children.

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Aaron and now third child as my,
my son's married to a beautiful 

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woman named Haley. 
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burden on them. 
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something in my life. 
I thought was gonna if I was 

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going to make those things 
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thought, just wanted to be 
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but I have a competitive Spirit 
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I used to dabble in boxing and 
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In my early 30s, but the idea of
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face or getting my arm Twisted, 
all out of shape, just to stay 

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competitive, isn't my idea of a 
good time now that I'm closer to

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50 and 40, but I've always 
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I've always enjoyed watching 
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Arnold Schwarzenegger. 
Dorian Yates. 

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Ronnie Coleman. 
Lila brought is definitely one 

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of my favorites as well. 
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really enjoy. 
Enjoy and I already know how to 

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lift weights and I do lift 
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Why don't I just try to put 
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this the thing that I use as the
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I'm in the best shape of my 
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In fact, just last year. 
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and my not my yeah. 
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the life insurance policy. 
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great. 
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Are they had quoted me at One 
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And then when they came to my 
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actually dropped my premiums, it
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basically, in the shape of a man
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someone, who's as old as I am. 
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is just been so beautiful, and I
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just like things that you didn't
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along the way, I've inspired a 
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from back in high school or just
hanging around me now that they 

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haven't earned changed their 
life for the better and it's 

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just been such a great. 
Great journey was there like 

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like before you took up 
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So this is pre 37. 38 years old.
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relatively normal life, or was 
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Was it more unhealthy than most?
I mean, you said, you have to 

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about 250 pounds, but you just 
eating a bunch of processed 

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foods, just over caloric 
consumption and not really 

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active, or what kind of guy he 
to that band point to begin 

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with. 
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often on active. 
I was doing the Jiu-Jitsu and 

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the thing is what you just, you 
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light. 
You can use your weight against 

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your opponent and I definitely 
did that but I would I would 

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eat. 
Eat, I guess. 

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Yeah, I wasn't eating perfectly.
I was definitely enjoying a lot 

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more beer than I should have. 
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Michelob, Ultra, as opposed to, 
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calories, are still going to 
matter. 

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And yeah, might be only two 
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But when you have 20 of them 
that still 40 carbs and I was 

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working out, I was doing like 
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I was doing a lot of Of 
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I really enjoyed kettlebells 
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different marketing of some of 
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it came to the Kettlebell broke 
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Then you know, you're getting 
these people telling you oh, you

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know, you can lose weight 
without the dishonor of diet and

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aerobics was actually one of the
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these programs, you know, 
basically telling you, well, if 

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you're doing these kettle bell 
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know, your burner enough 
calories that you're not To get 

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Even though the mirror was 
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story. 
I was believing. 

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Well, I'm doing these workouts 
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I did, I mean Pizza is much as I
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from Chicago. 
I love my pizza it got, but that

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was you know, instead of just 
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I was basically even a an entire
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then washing it down with a Diet
Pepsi. 

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So yeah, feel like, you know, a 
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the Tipping Point is. 
It's probably been highly 

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individualized but you know, for
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once people are in their 30s, 
that's kind of like where they 

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wind up settling that becomes 
the, the trajectory of their 

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life. 
Not, you know, I don't want to I

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don't want to paint too broad a 
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Stroke are missing. 
I mean, like, said howling to 

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visualize, but I feel like, you 
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habits in place, by the time, 
you know, you're in your 30s, by

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that point. 
You you pretty much know where 

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you're at from a career 
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You've got, you know, kids that 
kind of has an impact on life 

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and your daily schedule. 
So like the habits that have 

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brought you to the point where 
you're at in your 30s. 

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Typically, don't deviate too too
much from that by and large for 

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most people. 
I feel so like when you are 37, 

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so kind of latter, latter part 
of your 30s, and you've got a 

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totally shift your nutrition to 
a ketogenic diet and then 

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totally switch your, your 
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Any building roll like that's 
got to be a pretty hard 

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transition. 
Like, was that did that come 

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easy for you over there times a 
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Like, this is not who I am. 
This is not what I want to do. 

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This is not the direction. 
I want to take things over. 

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You pretty much hooked from the 
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Okay. 
I was hooked from the get-go as 

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far as enjoying the training and
enjoying the diet. 

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However, the first competition I
did was in 2019, I did. 

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Natural muscle Association. 
I did their show called The Rain

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of fire, and I was not in the 
condition to get up on stage 

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yet, and that wasn't because it 
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but it wasn't. 
I didn't have all the factors in

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play yet. 
I was still even though I listen

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to you. 
I'd also listen to some other 

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ketogenic people out there and I
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what I needed to hear. 
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So, I wanted to hear that. 
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bombs at, but still put me at a 
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everything else. 
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was still that guy, we've all 
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Somebody who paid an entry fee. 
Maybe did the work, but didn't 

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really We put in enough work to 
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And that was my first show and 
it was very humiliating at that 

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point. 
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guy, Robert Goodwin the you to 
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when it comes to the ketogenic 
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look, you know, macronutrients 
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I finally got that combination 
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me. 
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Without natural bodybuilding. 
End this way of this diet and 

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his way of life, the ketogenic 
way. 

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Yeah. 
No, I think I mean, I'm probably

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a little biased but I feel like 
he didn't diet and and Bonnie, 

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but especially natural 
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Kind of go hand-in-hand. 
It just works really well for 

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me. 
It's obviously, it worked very 

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well for you. 
Rob. 

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Goodwin's killed as well. 
He and I have very different 

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protocols. 
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a lot of common ground. 
We both share. 

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R. 
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misinformation and confusion out
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and body composition changes. 
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simply be in ketosis and 
everything will just 

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miraculously happen and you'll 
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of people believe and it's 
unfortunate because they're 

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doing so many things, right. 
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matter to elicit the response 
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totally wrong. 
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Fact from fiction there and 
really dialing in what needs to 

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happen is key. 
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obviously got it down and 
figured it out because your last

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show me you looked incredible. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you. 
That's what the last shows I 

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did. 
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gentlemen, Dave Bowers. 
I wanted to kind of Go full 

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circle. 
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I did the, I did two shows. 
I did an NPC show, which was his

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show called The, there was 
Indian Indiana, Indiana state 

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championships for the people 
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And thankfully, I'm from I live 
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So I had to do the battle of the
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That's it. 
Up to Indiana guys. 

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I'm just kidding. 
I love you. 

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And so I did that show it Battle
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NPC show was not a tested show. 
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performance-enhancing drugs if 
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I knew going into that show 
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And I was, but it was honestly, 
one of the more exciting moments

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of my life. 
I got to meet some great people,

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one person in particular. 
The bread Killian, who won the 

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classic physique, show that day.
He ran into me and was talking 

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to me about how David shared my 
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really excited to meet me. 
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experience. 
Like he saw my transformation 

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and then real full circle. 
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I was coming back home from 
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I had placed dead last and all 
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broke my heart, but I knew that 
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athlete. 
That I wasn't at a disadvantage.

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It just happened to be more of a
disadvantage and I was willing 

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to realize this on the driest 
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ones. 
No, not that the NPC show. 

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I placed dead last and then this
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last. 
I actually won first place and 

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three out of the four divisions 
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I got to Pro cards out of that 
show one. 

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Our masters open bodybuilding 
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bodybuilding regardless of the 
age and that was to the 

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encouragement of my wife because
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Indianapolis to Cleveland. 
She just said you absolutely not

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giving up. 
You've worked way too hard. 

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You look way too good, you're 
going to do another show, but 

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you're going to do a test it 
show. 

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So you're at a Level Playing 
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I was ready to just hang it up 
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into the offseason. 
Or the bulking phase, but to her

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encouragement, and thank God for
for this beautiful woman. 

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I competed again and really one 
of the culminating moments of my

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bodybuilding career. 
So far, is going from a person 

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with that, you know, 44-inch 
waist down to a guy that was 

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28-inch waist for the first time
since I was a teenager and 

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winning. 
Not just one but two pro cards 

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in one show. 
It was just euphoric. 

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Yeah. 
No, I mean you look you look 

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amazing, man. 
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competing a bunt against a bunch
of untested athletes, when you 

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are a natural athlete, is is no 
joke. 

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I mean, it's I've competed in 
tested shows of competing on 

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test. 
It shows, there's like a totally

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different vibe, totally 
different camaraderie. 

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It's like totally different 
sport, honestly. 

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Yes, but, you know, hats off to 
you for for doing both, if you 

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are. 
Natural. 

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And I always recommend people 
that are listening, like, if you

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are natural, you know, give 
yourself the benefit out to 

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compete against other people 
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I just prefer the vibe. 
Honestly. 

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I feel like I don't want to be 
too cliché here. 

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But I feel like there's a lot of
that is a clicks and stuff that 

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happened when you when you start
going to a bunch of the the 

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untested shows. 
And they're not all like this. 

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There's like a there's like a, 
an unhealthy level of 

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competitiveness. 
Whereas it seems as though 

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amongst most of the Natural. 
So that competed in there seems 

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to be a lot more camaraderie. 
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good-natured, you know, friendly
competition backstage, amongst 

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all the natural competitors. 
I noticed that too when I was 

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doing the different shows and I 
get it. 

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I mean, in the untested shows, 
especially in the bigger 

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leagues. 
These folks are looking at. 

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This is probably going to be the
way to make a career out of body

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building whereas and the 
natural. 

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So And if you win the mr. 
Natural Olympia with the eye and

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be a, you're probably not going 
to make enough money to pay the 

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bills. 
So this turns into a wouldn't 

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say an expensive hobby. 
But this does turn into more of 

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a lifestyle as opposed to a 
career. 

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So I understand the level of 
competition with the untested 

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athletes as opposed to the 
tested athletes. 

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And yeah, the camaraderie I've 
made some of them some of my 

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greatest friends doing Doing 
this with this lifestyle and 

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yeah, I wouldn't trade it for 
the world kind of percent ma'am.

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Let me ask you this. 
So a lot of people and this is 

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true even in like the the 
ketogenic biohacking space. 

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Like when people I brought on 
several guests, the podcast that

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are hormone specialists and they
often times point two, you know,

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once you reach a certain age, 
it's going to be advantageous 

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to, you know, take some eggs on 
just hormones for both males and

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females simply doesn't perform 
at an elite level, not 

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necessarily. 
It from a body breaks down but 

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they're not. 
They're not making these 

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recommendations from a 
professional bodybuilding 

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standpoint. 
They're just simply talking 

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about improving overall vitality
and Health and Longevity. 

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So, when you hear that, you 
think of that, you hear all 

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these recommendations for going,
Exotics hormone round. 

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Is that something that sways you
at all? 

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Or it kind of gets in the back 
of your mind, not even from a 

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competitive bodybuilding 
standpoint, but just from a, 

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from a overall health and 
well-being standpoint. 

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It did in the beginning. 
I was when I you know, you see 

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it and you know it as well as I 
do that, you know, just even in 

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the regular gym settings, you've
got folks that have no desire to

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compete. 
There three or four times bigger

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than you and it's because 
they're, you know, they're using

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gear and so you're looking at 
your progress going, dang, I 

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would do so much better if I 
just did this. 

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And so, you know, but I'd like I
said, I made that vow to my wife

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and then I promised God, I 
wasn't going to do it and then 

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as far as like, using it for 
Vitality purposes, if I had to, 

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I might consider it, but I 
haven't had knock on wood. 

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I haven't had any issues with, 
you know, things like 

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performance, male performance. 
If you will, I'm trying to keep 

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this PG, but I haven't had any 
issues with that, except for 

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maybe about four weeks out from 
a, you know, a contest where 

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you're really Dialing in your 
Macros and you just barely have 

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enough energy to hit the gym. 
So I thought you know, since I 

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haven't had any of those 
problems that way, I haven't I 

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just haven't felt the need. 
I mean, I believe that for the 

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most part there's enough things 
that are natural that you can 

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use like going. 
Well, for example, just the kind

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of diet that you and I use. 
We're having enough healthy fats

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that were put in enough about as
much testosterone. 

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Can through our bodies. 
Plus, I'll I use tongkat Ali 

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fiducia degress this and Boron 
to just help kind of absorb some

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of the free testosterone that's 
in my body. 

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And so far mrs. 
From fatty daddy, bodybuilders 

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been. 
Okay, so I don't feel the need 

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to unknown a defy myself to go 
any further. 

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And I think that that makes 
sense, man. 

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I feel like a lot of people that
just seems to be in the in the 

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Public's eye a lot right now. 
People are I mean like male 

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hormone clinics are popping up 
at every street corner testing 

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that's super easy to get a 
script for anything. 

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I mean you can walk in, you 
could have a bad night's sleep. 

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Have your testosterone tank 
because that bad night's sleep. 

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Go to a doctor, have them run 
your lab, see that it's low 

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because of that acute reason and
they'll write your script unless

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a lot of cases. 
I mean, it's kind of crazy how 

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easy it is to get some of these 
prescriptions for Exotics 

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hormones and some people know 
what they're doing in some 

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people haven't a clue what 
they're doing and I feel like 

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it's often times more. 
So Ladder people not having a 

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clue what they're doing. 
Not understanding the long-term 

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repercussions. 
If they don't do it correctly, 

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but I think you know, if your 
diet style then if your 

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lifestyle thought and if your 
sleep styled and everything is 

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optimized to the best of your 
ability in a sustainable way. 

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I mean, you should be able to 
pretty well rock and roll with 

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what you've got naturally. 
And I feel like that's been my 

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messaging from day one and also,
as a natural body butter, I 

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mean, you and I both know, the, 
the banned substance list is no 

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joke, depending on what 
federation you're not. 

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They won't allow anything. 
And, I mean, even things that 

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aren't performance-enhancing at 
all. 

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They still won't allow they. 
Just they, if there's even a 

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question to it. 
They just won't allow it. 

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So anything that's questionable 
like, on a back of a pill 

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bottle. 
I don't even, I don't even take 

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it because I don't want to risk 
the, you know, not being allowed

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to compete in these Federation. 
So, I feel like if you're doing 

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well, thus far naturally man, no
sense to deviate from that, keep

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rocking and rolling. 
Exactly, and I also think if I 

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could kind of add to that, we 
live in a society is great as 

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our country is, and how many 
opportunities are are, we live 

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in a society where so many 
folks, want things now, and 

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they're going to try to reason 
with themselves and their only 

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fooling themselves by doing 
this, by the way, by saying, 

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well, you know, it's trt, and 
it's by a doctor. 

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So it's okay. 
No, it's still steroids, and I'm

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not trying. 
Say that steroids in and of 

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themselves up for bad because 
there are good medical uses for 

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it. 
But it's so easy to just get a 

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prescription for the stuff and 
tell yourself. 

448
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:58,600
This is what you're doing it for
just because you want to fill 

449
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,400
out your T-shirt a little bit 
tighter than you would have if 

450
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,800
you were just doing the work 
without the extra staring 

451
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,200
without the extra performance 
enhancing use and we both know 

452
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,500
that whether you're taking gear 
or not. 

453
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,700
It doesn't take away from the 
fact that you're working hard. 

454
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,600
There is no drug for hard to 
replace hard work. 

455
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,500
But if you telling yourself that
your natural, then you need to 

456
00:25:22,508 --> 00:25:25,500
be natural all the way. 
Don't just don't BS about it. 

457
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,200
Either be real about it or say 
no, I'm I'm gear. 

458
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,400
Yeah. 100% minute. 
I have no qualms whatsoever with

459
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,100
people that take stuff, like, I 
don't care to each their own. 

460
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,400
What I do care is if you are 
going to be misleading and say, 

461
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,000
hey, look, I'm natural, but 
you're taking a bunch of stuff. 

462
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,300
That's clearly. 
Not and especially if you're 

463
00:25:46,308 --> 00:25:49,500
trying to compete against people
that are natural like that. 

464
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:50,800
That's where I draw the line 
there. 

465
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200
I mean, to each their own, do 
whatever you want to do, would 

466
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,400
be honest about those decisions 
and at the end the day, like, if

467
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,700
you are taking stuff and you 
were, you were taking, what 

468
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,300
would bring you up to a 
quote-unquote natural level, 

469
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,700
like a lot of people make that 
argument they say, hey, look, 

470
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,600
I'm on trt. 
I had low levels. 

471
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
I'm only taking enough to bring 
me up to what is naturally, you 

472
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,800
know, relevant for my age and 
Status Etc. 

473
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,800
Cetera, but the caveat is when 
you do a prep as you and I both 

474
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,900
know your natural levels, 
declined quite a bit and I think

475
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,200
doing a ketogenic diet minimizes
that decline but it still 

476
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,500
declines, then the less. 
So if you are continuing to take

477
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,600
anxiety hormones to a point that
you're at quote-unquote natural 

478
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,900
levels in the context of a prep,
your by definition going to have

479
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:40,600
much higher levels than all the 
competitors that are truly 

480
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,600
natural and not taking it in 
exoticness lie, which is not 

481
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,500
fair. 
Right. 

482
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Exactly finish, you know, that's
you just something. 

483
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,100
Sometimes you just got to deal 
with the the hand, you're dealt.

484
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:58,300
And again, there's so many ways.
I mean lifting heavy things and 

485
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,300
eating proper food is going to 
do so many great things for you 

486
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:06,400
that you just don't necessarily 
need those injections and your 

487
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,700
book. 
You said it perfectly. 

488
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:12,700
It's like the ketogenic diet and
resistance training is probably 

489
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,700
one of the closest things if 
not, Seeing out there. 

490
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,100
That's a fountain of youth. 
I'm 47 years old. 

491
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,200
I get mistaken for somebody in 
this in his 30s pretty much all 

492
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
the time. 
And I certainly don't mind it. 

493
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Yeah, I mean you certainly don't
look like you're 47 years old, 

494
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,500
you're doing something right? 
For sure. 

495
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,600
Thank you. 
Do you test your levels 

496
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,800
naturally? 
Just had a curious. 

497
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Like, do you do it a baseline 
test before prep after prep? 

498
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,700
Just kind of see where you're 
at. 

499
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,100
No, I just really let the 
mirror, tell me what I need to 

500
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:44,800
do. 
And you know, I'm the only Only 

501
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Breadwinner in the house. 
So trying to justify the expense

502
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000
to find out where I'm at. 
And when I'm already spending 

503
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,800
enough money to get a spray tan 
and a speedo and everything 

504
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,400
else. 
I figured okay, I'll just kind 

505
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,400
of if something happens where 
I'm feeling like I might get law

506
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200
then I'll go hit the doctors. 
But otherwise, I just kind of 

507
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,800
the scale the mirror and the 
judges I let that kind of decide

508
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,800
what happens makes sense to me 
ma'am. 

509
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,600
Let's switch gears a little bit 
and talk nutrition. 

510
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,100
There's a lot of different ways.
Skin a cat when it comes to 

511
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,300
getting dialed in. 
I mean, you can obviously get 

512
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,000
shoulder lean with a bunch of 
carbohydrates. 

513
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,700
You can get shoaling with the 
ketogenic diet. 

514
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,500
You can get shoaling with super 
high protein. 

515
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,700
What have you done? 
That's worked really well for 

516
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,600
you. 
Okay. 

517
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,700
Well, of course, the definitely 
making sure my calories are in a

518
00:28:33,708 --> 00:28:36,700
deficit when I'm needing to lose
the weight and making sure that 

519
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:41,400
they're a little bit higher. 
I do tend to win. 

520
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,400
I'm on offseason. 
If you will, although I hate 

521
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800
that term, what I'm doing. 
My bulking season. 

522
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,300
I have tended to overdo it on 
the calorie sometimes, and that 

523
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,900
hate myself when I'm about 
getting back into prep mode, but

524
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,500
during prep. 
Well, during the whole time. 

525
00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:03,500
I keep my cat, my protein at a 
higher level than the standard 

526
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,900
ketogenic diet. 
And I did learn this from, I 

527
00:29:06,908 --> 00:29:09,900
know you said you and Rob good 
would have different protocols. 

528
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,800
I did learn this more. 
So out of from him. 

529
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:21,000
I keep my carbs relatively low, 
I would say at the highest 50 

530
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,600
grams a day. 
I keep my fat where my fat in my

531
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,800
protein calories are just about 
the same. 

532
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,700
I know that fat has nine 
calories per gram. 

533
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,200
Protein has four. 
So what kind of keeping that in 

534
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,200
the same? 
The G might not be similar but 

535
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600
the calories will be similar 
like kind of do that. 

536
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,400
I have used intermittent fasting
in the past. 

537
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,800
I like it. 
It. 

538
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,700
But the problem is, is that I'm 
getting closer and closer to the

539
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,200
prep and my calories are lower 
and lower. 

540
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:55,300
I am just too hungry to 
intermittent fast during that 

541
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,700
time frame. 
So, but I also can't do that 

542
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:02,600
spacing of just three hours per 
meal because I'm just hungry all

543
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,500
day. 
I gone day. 

544
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:07,400
So I've kind of done the for our
thing because then I'm only 

545
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400
feeling a little bit hungry for 
about an hour between meals as 

546
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,500
opposed to feeling hungry 
throughout the whole day. 

547
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,300
When I'm more in when my 
calories aren't really too, too 

548
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:23,600
low, I can enter minute fast and
it doesn't bother me and I kind 

549
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,800
of go with the flow on a mat. 
It's like if I'm having a really

550
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,400
busy day, and I know I'm not 
going to get a chance to eat. 

551
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,000
It's not the end of the world. 
But thankfully, I've been 

552
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
working from home for a little 
bit now. 

553
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,100
So being able to, you know, I 
don't have to worry too much 

554
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,500
about meal prep as much as I 
can. 

555
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:44,100
Just go upstairs, throw my eggs 
and my egg whites in the pan to 

556
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,400
cook them. 
Up and maybe enjoy a couple 

557
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,700
slices of bacon and some Tim 
Hortons coffee and go to town. 

558
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:51,800
There you go. 
There you go. 

559
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,700
What's the the lowest your 
calories? 

560
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,800
Get going into the print o are 
going. 

561
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,600
I asked let the very end of the 
proprietor. 

562
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,900
Yeah, right around the end of 
the prep last year. 

563
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,400
I was down to like 13:15 and it 
was miserable. 

564
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,700
But thankfully, it was just for 
about four weeks. 

565
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:17,100
But right now, yeah, right now I
am a So I'm just shy of 11 

566
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:20,300
weeks. 
I'm almost ten weeks out and I'm

567
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,900
at just around 1840 calories 
right now. 

568
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,700
It's the pretty low you hungry 
right now know, and what I've 

569
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:38,900
kind of learned is I eat. 
Foods that will be bet. 

570
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,100
I can eat more of and volume, 
but yet the calories aren't too 

571
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:47,600
bad like, say, for example, 
chicken like chicken chicken 

572
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:55,000
breasts and then some egg whites
and protein powders. 

573
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Things that still give me a good
bang for my buck protein wise, 

574
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,600
but caloric wise aren't too too 
high and maybe one day out of 

575
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400
that week. 
Most likely on Sunday after 

576
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800
church, my wife and I go to 
lunch somewhere. 

577
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200
I'm going to get that steak and 
eggs, and I'm going to enjoy it.

578
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,700
And even though I might get a 
little bit over my caloric 

579
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,500
stealing that one day. 
I already know that come Monday.

580
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,300
When I'm destroying myself in 
the gym. 

581
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,900
I'm going to make up for those 
calories. 

582
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:23,500
I took in. 
Yeah. 

583
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,500
No, that makes sense. 
I always recommend having like a

584
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,500
ketogenic caloric refeed there 
towards the end, make it 

585
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,800
sustainable, but also kind of 
give it a little boost. 

586
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,600
Yes, how low does your friend 
get? 

587
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Like those last four weeks, when
you're, like, the 1300 calories?

588
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,700
How low is your fat on that 
intake? 

589
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,800
Gosh, I'd have to go. 
Look what I want to say. 

590
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:48,400
It was probably around 50 grams 
last time right now. 

591
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,500
I'm at about 90 and then my 
protein is 220 and my carbs are 

592
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,600
50 or less. 
And I don't really care about 

593
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,700
the. 
I mean, I don't really worry 

594
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:03,900
about hitting my carbohydrates. 
I mean, it's like if I say like 

595
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:08,400
today, I think I might have 
already only had about 15 grams 

596
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000
of carbs. 
I don't intend on even hitting, 

597
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,400
higher than that. 
I'm going to go over to my son's

598
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,200
house later today, any of the 
filet mignon. 

599
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,100
So if my protein goes up a 
little bit higher or my fat goes

600
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:23,300
a little bit higher but my carb 
stay low like, you know, under 

601
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:27,200
that ceiling that's fine by me. 
The carbs are for me. 

602
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,000
The carbs are more of this is as
high as I'm going to allow 

603
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000
myself to get to today. 
But if I go lower than more 

604
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000
power to me, yeah, totally. 
What about carbs during like 

605
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,900
peak week that you increase your
carbs drove in or no, so, I only

606
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:48,800
really started doing this, like,
peak week was foreign to me in 

607
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,300
the twenty20 competitions 
because I just didn't know 

608
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:56,600
enough, and I wasn't about to 
risk anything by, you know, 

609
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,300
manipulating anything else. 
I figured I'm this is the packs.

610
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:05,900
I'm going to bring so I did. 
Carb up on both shows, in fact, 

611
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:09,300
so, but I start introducing 
cards and not even go into high 

612
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:14,100
like 100 grams tops sale. 
Say the show is on Saturday. 

613
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:19,900
I'll bring in the carbs on 
Wednesday on that Friday before 

614
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:27,000
a show. 
I might might have a potato on 

615
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,400
that evening for for dinner and 
that's it. 

616
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,199
On the day of the competition. 
Pretty much all caution to the 

617
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,400
wind. 
I have enjoyed the rice and that

618
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,699
was a called The Rice Krispie 
treats. 

619
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,600
I had a couple of little bottles
of red wine to make the veins 

620
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,500
pop out. 
I saw the guys in the backstage 

621
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,100
just pounding down, honey. 
Like it was going out of style 

622
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:55,699
owes the weirdest thing I've 
ever seen. 

623
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:00,100
But yeah, I was doing that. 
I the first show with the rice 

624
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,000
krispie treats. 
I think I overdid it. 

625
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,400
The second one. 
I just I kept on have like maybe

626
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,200
two or three. 
The I did do that and I don't 

627
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,500
honestly as even though I have 
my Pro card, I don't know enough

628
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,100
to know if that was necessarily 
the greatest thing or not. 

629
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:25,400
I got I won so maybe it works. 
But this next show when people 

630
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,500
eat comes up. 
I might change it up a little 

631
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,900
bit just to see where I'm at and
go from there. 

632
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,900
Yeah, I'm a big, I mean, it's 
totally standard practice for 

633
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,800
most competitors to have like 
some type of carb up strategy 

634
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,800
during Peak Week in the day 
before do a depletion phase and 

635
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,100
then a, you know, super 
compensation phase. 

636
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,800
And I'm kind of like an outlier 
that I don't do that. 

637
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,000
I don't recommend that I don't 
introduce more carbs. 

638
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
I definitely introduce more fats
and proteins and more calories 

639
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200
and tweak my electrolytes, but I
don't ever really do any kind of

640
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,100
crazy car UPS because I feel 
like you're kind of flirting 

641
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,100
with fire if you don't time it 
right? 

642
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:04,000
If you don't have the It amount 
your exponentially more likely 

643
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,700
to retain unnecessary fluid in 
the subcutaneous layer of skin 

644
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,400
and kind of wash out some of 
that definition. 

645
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,300
That doesn't mean it's 
guaranteed going to happen. 

646
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:15,100
But you, you run that risk for 
sure, but honestly a lot of 

647
00:36:15,107 --> 00:36:18,400
people that do that, what I find
like to be the biggest downside 

648
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,000
is that it makes kind of raining
in that intake post, show that 

649
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,500
much more challenging. 
I mean, did you find it was 

650
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,800
easier or hard to kind of return
back to you know, healthy 

651
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,300
eating? 
The show is over and you kind of

652
00:36:32,308 --> 00:36:35,400
go off the rails and a little 
bit of everything inside or a 

653
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,200
lot of bit off the rails off the
rails to the point where 

654
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:46,500
Depression started setting in so
September, what was the show for

655
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,600
rain of fire with natural muscle
Association? 

656
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:57,800
And after I won, I got home. 
I so I ate this. 

657
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,700
The listeners are going to get 
shocked and throw something at 

658
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:04,600
me if ever meet. 
And I ate I think a dozen 

659
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:10,400
king-size peanut butter cups 
right after the show got home. 

660
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:12,100
Then we went out somewhere to 
eat. 

661
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,800
I think we had Mexican food. 
And normally when I've gone to 

662
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,600
Mexican food, which I love, I'll
get the order the fajitas 

663
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,400
without the tortillas without 
the refried beans without the 

664
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,900
rice. 
Basically. 

665
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:30,500
The ketogenic part of it, right?
But that day, I ate everything 

666
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,600
under the sun. 
Drink everything under the sun 

667
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:35,800
and I thought, okay. 
It's just going to be that one 

668
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,500
day. 
The next day. 

669
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,100
I woke up feeling like complete 
garbage. 

670
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,000
And then when we went to, it was
a Sunday. 

671
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,900
We went to church and then we 
were going out somewhere for 

672
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,200
wherever we were going to eat. 
I'm the only person in the house

673
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,500
that is on a by wife maintain, 
you know, she keeps her car is 

674
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,000
relatively low, but I'm the only
person in the house that keeps 

675
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400
them as low as I do, and but I 
decided that day. 

676
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,100
We At this one restaurant that 
we frequent a lot. 

677
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:08,200
I decided I was going to enjoy 
their pizza and I enjoyed 10, 

678
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,300
and then I know, I sure I had a 
couple beers and the next thing,

679
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,600
you know, it was like at least 
one day a week. 

680
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,300
I was saying, oh, I'm just going
to have a little bit of a 

681
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,300
refeed. 
Well, those refeeds turned into 

682
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,900
just eating, whatever the hell I
wanted. 

683
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:26,500
And then next thing, you know, I
was down, I was at like 162 on 

684
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:32,000
the day of the show, and then I 
think I almost got up to 200 

685
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,800
pounds before the new year and 
so that was the only in about a 

686
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,800
three month time frame as hard 
to believe that that would have 

687
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,200
been almost 30 pounds of fat 
because, you know, Grant a pound

688
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,400
of fat is 3500 extra calories. 
I can't imagine. 

689
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,000
It was all of that, but I don't 
think it was all water retention

690
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
either. 
So, I started getting depressed 

691
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,700
because I wasn't seeing the 
muscular definition, and I was 

692
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:01,400
worried that I was going to go 
back to being that guy. 

693
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,200
With the 40-some odd inch waist 
with the high blood pressure and

694
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,600
everything else. 
And so I just I had to I 

695
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,700
recently flip the switch and 
okay. 

696
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:20,100
Get back in gear because you you
have you know, you you only got 

697
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,000
this one life. 
You're enjoying this sport. 

698
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,200
You still have plenty of gas in 
the tank. 

699
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,900
Get back into the swing of 
things because, you know, it's 

700
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,400
only it's only Me who can do 
this. 

701
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,700
I have to be the person to get 
up and do what's right for my 

702
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,600
health and for the sport and to 
just enjoy the quality of life 

703
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,500
that I've been blessed to renew 
since finding the sport. 

704
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Yeah, I think that's that's 
super important man. 

705
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,700
Like I'm I did the exact same 
thing after my first several 

706
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:56,500
shows when I was falling like a 
car based protocol and like I 

707
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,900
got depressed. 
I developed a bunch of 

708
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,300
disordered eating Tendencies. 
I could just screwed my life up 

709
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:04,300
for years, honestly. 
And I don't like I don't want to

710
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:05,800
group. 
Everybody doesn't inject that 

711
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
into one basket by any means, 
but I feel like a pretty good 

712
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,200
percentage of the people that 
follow a ketogenic diet do so 

713
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600
because they don't do well with 
carbs. 

714
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,900
Maybe from a digestive 
standpoint. 

715
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,400
I don't do well with cars but I 
think a lot of them don't do 

716
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,400
well with carbs from a 
psychological standpoint. 

717
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,600
They can't moderate it. 
They have an addictive tendency 

718
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,700
towards them. 
So for me, when I set out to do 

719
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,100
ketogenic by, Anybody. 
It was like look, I want to 

720
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,900
optimize, you know, my prep, my 
protocol, my reverse that 

721
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,500
everything in its totality from 
following a strict ketogenic 

722
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,200
approach. 
And if it hadn't contributed to 

723
00:40:44,207 --> 00:40:47,400
my success in the first place, I
don't want to bring it in 

724
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,500
post-show. 
So for me like doing the whole 

725
00:40:51,508 --> 00:40:54,800
car Buffs, I don't fight they 
make that big of a difference in

726
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,900
the peeking. 
Anyways, so bad a table by being

727
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,300
able to just totally negate 
them. 

728
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,200
It made it much easier. 
You for me to not be tempted by 

729
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,400
them. 
Post-show. 

730
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,900
And I feel like having the 
control over them from a 

731
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,500
psychological standpoint. 
There has just made the whole 

732
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:12,000
process much more sustainable 
for me personally. 

733
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Yeah, I have to agree with you 
there because I do have an 

734
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,800
extremely addictive personality 
of former smoker easily smoke 

735
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,600
two packs a day and then, you 
know, like the junk food, forget

736
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,700
about it. 
I used my wall even though this 

737
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,500
isn't a junk-food. 
It was definitely, not something

738
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,100
that you should eat in large 
quantities. 

739
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:39,300
If you had a jar of chunky 
peanut butter in front of me, 

740
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,100
I'm talking one of the big 
family size jars and bottles. 

741
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,100
Another bottle of gallon of milk
next to me. 

742
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,800
I was set for a good two hours 
and I would eat that whole down 

743
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,500
part. 
I'm sorry. 

744
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,300
I shouldn't because I would eat 
that whole jar within a day. 

745
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,900
And you know, those are the kind
of things that I had to restrain

746
00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:59,800
had to take those things 
completely out of my life 

747
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,500
because it was one of those 
things where I just I knew I 

748
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,300
couldn't control those. 
I couldn't control that stuff in

749
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:11,400
moderation, which of course, 
that's the phrase in America, 

750
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,100
everything in moderation, 
everything amount. 

751
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Duration, that's like saying you
can do heroin in moderation. 

752
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,700
If it's something that's gonna 
make you do, you know just go 

753
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,300
off the rails. 
Why even bother moderating it, 

754
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:26,900
just don't do it. 
And I'd much rather, I'd much 

755
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:31,600
rather overeat on steak and 
eggs, then overeat on birthday 

756
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
cake. 
Because I know that the steak 

757
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,300
and eggs is going to, at least 
provide me nutrients. 

758
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,000
I need, whereas birthday cake is
going to provide me with 

759
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,000
processed sugar, and I might as 
well just top that off with some

760
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,100
cocaine. 
Yeah. 

761
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,400
A sentiment. 
I feel like. 

762
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:48,400
I feel like what is often the 
main contributing factor for 

763
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,000
these binging purging Tendencies
and just this depression and 

764
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,800
self. 
Guilt is the notion that you've 

765
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:59,300
done something wrong and should 
be punished for it. 

766
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,200
I guess is a bad word, but you 
know what I'm saying? 

767
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,000
So like when people go off the 
rails and they eat stuff that 

768
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,800
they know like you can't you 
can't in your right mind say but

769
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,700
you're doing your body good by 
eating a bunch of, you know, 

770
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,500
birthday. 
Okay, but you can feel good 

771
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,900
about eating steak and eggs, you
know, so like if you don't have 

772
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,500
that guilt associated with 
eating steak and eggs, but you 

773
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:26,200
do with birthday cake, then that
guilt is what becomes the 

774
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,400
Catalyst for making things even 
worse and having kind of like 

775
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,900
this downward spiral effect. 
So if you just totally negate 

776
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:35,700
that guilt aspect and only eat 
foods that you don't have to 

777
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,200
feel guilty for that helps the 
whole thing through and through.

778
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,500
And, I mean, yeah, you can 
definitely over eat steak and 

779
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,800
eggs depending on the goals and 
what not If you're trying to, 

780
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,300
you can over, eat anything, like
caloric, Surplus is going to be 

781
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:50,300
a closer place, no matter where 
it comes from, but you're not 

782
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:54,000
going to be near as guilty from 
eating, you know, equal 

783
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,800
calories, and steak and eggs. 
You would be probably from 

784
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,400
eating whole bunch of birthday 
cake, right? 

785
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,000
And quite honestly, steak and 
eggs, just tastes so darn good, 

786
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:05,900
no matter what. 
Anyway, so, I just, I could eat 

787
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:09,000
that every meal and not care. 
I love it. 

788
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,800
Yeah, totally man. 
Totally. 

789
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,000
Well, what, what's in the 
pipeline for? 

790
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,100
You mean like you get that show?
You said your 10 weeks out 

791
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,000
current. 
So I guess they need to get 

792
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,300
their show in the pipeline. 
Right? 

793
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,700
Yes. 
So the United States 

794
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:25,900
bodybuilding Federation has the 
kings and queens show in Akron, 

795
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,400
Ohio. 
So I'm going to do that with the

796
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,100
natural muscle Association. 
I have to defend my Pro card and

797
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:37,500
actually try to make some money 
to recoup some of the money. 

798
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:40,500
I've spent over the years, they 
have the mr. 

799
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,400
Cleveland, which will be in 
October, so Going to do that. 

800
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:52,500
I since have recently my passion
for fitness and something I want

801
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,100
to iterate. 
If I make a lot of folks when 

802
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,700
they start to Endeavor and 
becoming a physical 

803
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:04,200
transformation, they really shy 
away from the idea of body 

804
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,900
building. 
When in actuality bodybuilding 

805
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:11,100
is exactly the thing one needs. 
It doesn't matter if you plan on

806
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:14,800
getting up on stage with you. 
No, a bikini or Speedo and a 

807
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,100
spray tan or if you just want to
look a lot better by definition.

808
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
You're a bodybuilder. 
If you're eating better to 

809
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,300
change your physical composition
and you're lifting weights and 

810
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:29,700
doing any other form of like 
cardio or something like that. 

811
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,100
That's what a bodybuilder is. 
And so I've really made this a 

812
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,900
passion to help others because I
have inspired others with my 

813
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:39,600
journey. 
I became certified as a 

814
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,900
bodybuilding specialist with is 
essay. 

815
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:49,800
And so I've become a trainer 
where I provide nutrition plans 

816
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,400
and workout plans, a combination
of the both at desire for 

817
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,500
iron.com. 
I also have my YouTube channel. 

818
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,600
I already had the channel before
the website. 

819
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:06,300
So that's at from fatty to Natty
bodybuilder on YouTube. 

820
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:10,400
And of course, Instagram from 
fatty to Natty bodybuilder. 

821
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
Is there. 
I've been I'm really enjoying 

822
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,900
this journey and helping other 
people and I'm going to keep 

823
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,800
doing this. 
I mean, I'm going to be that 80 

824
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,100
year old guy getting up on 
stage, hitting the most muscular

825
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,900
pose and destroying the 20 year,
olds, right next to me. 

826
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,300
No, man. 
That's, that's the goal. 

827
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,600
For sure. 
I mean, I've I'm more excited 

828
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,400
about how I look at 73 years old
than how I look at 35 years old 

829
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,300
because you know, that's that's 
kind of like that. 

830
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,700
Anomaly that people like man and
you can't look good at 73 years 

831
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:41,100
old. 
You can't look like you're 

832
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,700
worthy of stepping on stage, but
I feel like if you And the right

833
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,300
habits in place in the front end
and you just keep doing that and

834
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:48,900
that compounds over time you get
your nutrition down. 

835
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,900
Then you got your train down 
then there's literally no limit 

836
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,900
to what you can achieve. 
So you being 47 years old 

837
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:56,400
looking like you do, man. 
I mean, you're a perfect 

838
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,400
Testament to that. 
Thank you. 

839
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,800
I like to throw a shout out. 
Since you said something about 

840
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,400
someone in their 70s, a person 
who I've become great friends 

841
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,700
with, he's like a father, a 
brother and a great friend of 

842
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:10,900
me, Don Mannarino. 
We compete together, Batman. 

843
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,100
I want you 71 years. 
Sold and there's I think there's

844
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,800
some pictures of them of him and
I competing together on my 

845
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,400
Instagram page. 
The guy is in phenomenal shape. 

846
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,800
And if you ever met him, you 
would think he might be in his 

847
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,900
50s, but he certainly does not 
look like he's in a 70s. 

848
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:32,400
He's a grandfather, best shape 
of, you know, most men that and 

849
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,800
30s. 
We wish they could be as a good 

850
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,100
a shape as this guy. 
So I'm telling you folks. 

851
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:40,700
If you haven't already figured 
it out, natural bodybuilding is 

852
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,000
the Fountain of Youth 100% 
match. 

853
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,900
Just posted a picture of Robby 
Robinson on my newsletter this 

854
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,800
past week, and I think he's like
75 76 now or something like 

855
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,000
that. 
And I mean, you know what? 

856
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,000
He looks like. 
He looks phenomenal, right? 

857
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,100
And it's like I mean like that's
and that's and that's another 

858
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,700
div. 
I don't know what his I'm sure 

859
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:01,100
he's probably not natural. 
I probably didn't do near as 

860
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:04,200
much drugs as everybody else in 
that era did right? 

861
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,200
Because he looks as good as he 
does. 

862
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,500
Now as old as he is, but I feel 
that there's a totally different

863
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:13,400
look that comes with natural 
athletes versus those that Get 

864
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,100
massive, you know, in their 
earlier years, but did so with a

865
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:20,800
bunch of gear like, it seems as 
though you're able to maintain 

866
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,800
that type of muscle density, as 
long as you're continually 

867
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,500
stimulate that muscle, as you 
age and stay on top of your 

868
00:48:26,508 --> 00:48:28,500
nutrition. 
Like the look that you bring the

869
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,600
table over the years seems to be
a much better longer-lasting. 

870
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Look. 
Yes, for sure. 

871
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,100
And I mean, I don't know, 
there's, I just can't think of, 

872
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:43,000
I mean, I play music in a cover 
band. 

873
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:44,800
Here in the Cleveland, Ohio 
area. 

874
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,000
I, you know, I work, I do some 
of these other things and being 

875
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,600
a husband and a father is, of 
course, the most rewarding thing

876
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,800
out there. 
But on an individual selfish 

877
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,400
level, I want to say selfish 
does like the mean way but Jill 

878
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,800
self just something for 
yourself. 

879
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,800
I just can't think of too many 
things, more exhilarating than 

880
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,900
going into the gym, having a 
beautiful work out, putting that

881
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,900
music on in your headphones and 
then going home, eating the 

882
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,700
proper things that are Going to 
get you to your goals. 

883
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,700
And then one of these days 
you're going to look in the 

884
00:49:17,707 --> 00:49:18,900
mirror. 
You're not even going to 

885
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,700
recognize yourself because 
you're not that person that you 

886
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:25,300
were two years ago. 
And you're no longer living with

887
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,800
regret of wondering what you 
might have been able to do, 

888
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,200
you're doing it. 
Amen, to that, man. 

889
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,200
And you mentioned, you play in 
the band before we started 

890
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,000
recording. 
You brought the fact that that 

891
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,100
you just recently lost your bass
players that, right. 

892
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,800
Yes. 
Correct, really good friend. 

893
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:46,700
Marc Brown. 
He passed away two weekends to 

894
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:51,000
go and he had a massive heart 
attack. 

895
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,300
I'm not exactly sure what 
contributed to it. 

896
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,200
It could have just been an act 
of God, but one thing I learned 

897
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,400
from him and from his beautiful 
wife, Lynn is those to live 

898
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:08,800
their lives with Vigor every 
single day and I think that's 

899
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,600
something that the world needs. 
You live your life with a big 

900
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,900
bigger every single day and 
that's regardless of what your 

901
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:17,000
goals are. 
As much as I know, most of the 

902
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,100
people is into this podcast. 
Their goals are probably going 

903
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,400
to be more along the lines of 
body building and of the day, 

904
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,800
you know, God doesn't give you a
refund. 

905
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,800
If your life sucks. 
And if you live in America, you 

906
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,100
owe it to yourself because you 
have all the tools available to 

907
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:36,500
make the most out of your life. 
And so pursue those goals. 

908
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:37,600
Well, I don't care what they 
are. 

909
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,900
Bodybuilding, of course, is one 
of my goals, but I learned that 

910
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,400
from Marc. 
That I'd only had him in my life

911
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,600
for a very short time, but he 
touched it very deeply and that 

912
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,600
was one of the greatest lessons 
I learned from him. 

913
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,900
That really pushed me to go. 
Keep pursuing all the different 

914
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:56,500
goals. 
I have in my life before the 

915
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,100
wheels fall off. 
And I'm no longer here, just 

916
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,700
live every day with Vigor and 
loved life. 

917
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:04,200
You're given a menu that man. 
A hundred percent agree. 

918
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,000
I mean, there's days that we 
wake up and we have bad days. 

919
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,500
Like that's just part of it 
happens to all of us and you 

920
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:12,900
can't change. 
JH that necessary because it's 

921
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,400
bound to happen. 
But if you start waking up and 

922
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,200
more often than not, you're 
having a bad day, you got to 

923
00:51:18,207 --> 00:51:19,800
change something. 
You got to be the Catalyst for 

924
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,600
growth there. 
You got to be the one that makes

925
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,100
makes a move because nobody's 
going to care about your life, 

926
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,200
as much as you do. 
No One's Gonna care about your 

927
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,300
health as much as you do. 
So the ball is always in your 

928
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,700
court. 
No one is going to give you 

929
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:33,900
anything. 
The world isn't fair. 

930
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:36,800
You got to be the one to make 
make the change happen. 

931
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,900
So if you're not happy, if 
you're not waking up with a Zeal

932
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,700
for life than And something 
wrong, right? 

933
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:44,700
Right. 
Exactly. 

934
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:49,900
And I mean, there's people you 
know, I don't want to sound 

935
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:53,200
like, you know, it's America are
nothing but we know that there's

936
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,600
so many people that come to this
country because of the 

937
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,200
opportunities that you can get 
here that you can't get anywhere

938
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,500
else. 
And then you and I were lucky 

939
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,700
enough to from day one. 
Be a part of this nation and 

940
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:08,100
it's like, well, you know, and 
you're a testament to that. 

941
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,300
I, you know, I watched your 
story. 

942
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,200
I mean, you used to work at a 
railroad and Here you are. 

943
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,800
Now, something that most people 
don't even have thought of a, 

944
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:21,500
basically, a brick made out of 
these different, you know, food 

945
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:26,900
items to become a, you know, 
food prep for a snack /, really 

946
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:31,500
tasty, dag on meal. 
And here, you are living a very 

947
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,700
full life. 
You have a beautiful wife. 

948
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:38,000
You got a child on the way, 
you're the American dream and 

949
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,500
that's it's just one of those 
things that, you know, and 

950
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,600
American Dream, doesn't 
necessarily have to have a 

951
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,100
dollar sign to it. 
And in fact, it shouldn't at 

952
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:50,700
all, but it definitely should 
have a happiness signed to it. 

953
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,100
And that's no, no something I 
learned from Mark and that's 

954
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:55,900
something that I do now with the
music with the bodybuilding 

955
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,400
spending beautiful time with my 
wife. 

956
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,600
It could be anything. 
We could be playing card games 

957
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,700
together. 
We can be hiking together. 

958
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:07,100
We could just be watching a 
silly show on TV, but you know, 

959
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:11,000
I don't want to waste a single 
moment that I'll never get back 

960
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,300
if I'm not. 
Not chasing something that is 

961
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,700
fulfilling my life, either. 
By trying to do bring men and 

962
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,800
women closer to God or pursuing,
some goals that I know are going

963
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,500
to bring good about this world. 
It's not worth my time. 

964
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,300
I can't agree more men. 
I mean that is you said it 

965
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,000
perfectly. 
I can't top then some not even 

966
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,800
going to try. 
You are you are doing. 

967
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:35,700
You're making waves man. 
You're inspiring people in ways.

968
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:38,100
You don't even know. 
You inspire me kind of senior 

969
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,000
Journey unfold through Instagram
over the past three years since 

970
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,400
I've known you. 
So, keep doing what you doing, 

971
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,900
brother. 
I appreciate you more than, you 

972
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:47,300
know, I appreciate the message. 
You're putting out there and I'm

973
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:48,900
excited for what the future 
holds for you, man. 

974
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:54,500
Thank you, and I thought, if I 
may say, so, your friendship has

975
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
even though I know it's only 
been through virtual signal 

976
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,600
because Arkansas, and Cleveland 
Ohio, or Ted that far away for 

977
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,200
us to go out for a steak dinner,
your friendship, and your 

978
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,800
advice, and everything that 
you've given me over the years, 

979
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:11,400
has definitely been one of the 
main contributing factors to 

980
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,900
meet. 
Changing my life around. 

981
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:17,600
And folks, if you're not given 
Rob some love and some support, 

982
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,700
you're doing it wrong. 
He's a wealth of knowledge. 

983
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:23,000
He's a great man. 
And I really owe a lot of my 

984
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,200
physical well-being to you and 
my success in this career and my

985
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,500
happiness through this endeavor,
because of you and a few other 

986
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,000
folks out there, man. 
I certainly do appreciate that. 

987
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
But like I said, the beginning, 
you're the one is put into work,

988
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,300
not me. 
So, hats off to you, brother. 

989
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,400
Keep doing what you're doing, 
and I Will I will spread the 

990
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,000
word about you as best? 
I can, man. 

991
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,100
Thank you so much. 
Thank you Chris. 

992
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,100
There's everything you do for 
you. 

993
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:47,800
Just let me know. 
Brother. 

994
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,600
You got my, you got my contact 
info and keep in touch, man. 

995
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:55,100
Well, likewise, and if you're 
ever up in Cleveland, and you 

996
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:57,200
feel like working out with the 
Cleveland Oak, let me know. 

997
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,200
And definitely steak. 
Dinners on me, 100%, man. 

998
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,600
Likewise, if you're ever in, 
Arkansas. 

999
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,500
All right. 
See you bud. 

1000
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:04,300
See you.