1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,800 Hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks, kiddo. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,300 Service.com today. I've got special, repeat guests. 3 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:06,800 Jim Howard back on the line. He is the head honcho at 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,500 biosense. They make a really impressive 5 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:13,400 little Ketone breath monitor that measures acetone I've been 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,400 playing around here for a while. I've been using it been kind of 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,800 experimenting with it. He is incredibly knowledgeable 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,400 when it comes to how this device can be used in a clinical 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,000 setting, how it can be dictating, what your actions 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 throughout the day are to improve your level of fat 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,700 oxidation and honestly just knows a lot. 12 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:31,400 What's going on in the space with And to measuring ketones 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,900 measuring glucose. And this is how to kind of hack 14 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,200 or measure these biometric so to speak. 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,900 So without further Ado, sit back relax and do the podcast with 16 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:52,200 Jim Howard and we are Live Jim. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,800 How are you brother? Hey, good afternoon to you. 18 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:56,700 How you doing Robert? I'm good, man, I'm good it. 19 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,800 When was the last time we recorded the podcast on my show? 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,700 Probably it's been over a year now, right? 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,200 I think it was more than two years ago. 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,200 It's like right, when right, when biosense was just being 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,100 kind of launching a pilot, maybe right before our 8,000 9,000 24 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:13,300 person Pilots? Oh yeah. 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,400 Well, I've gots the biosense mean actually just used it in 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,500 preparation for this podcast, but mine still says sample on 27 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:22,100 the back of it. So I guess that must be one of 28 00:01:22,107 --> 00:01:24,100 the OG ones, right? Oh my gosh. 29 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:26,900 So that it's been probably almost two and a half years. 30 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:29,800 He's fucking you need it. We need to get you in. 31 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,900 New one for sure. Is it pretty much the same 32 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:33,200 functionality that with the newer ones? 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,200 Yeah, yeah there's about twenty six iterations of monitoring 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,300 ketosis and the breath as it changes and that's that's the 35 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,800 key thing. So it's probably four times as 36 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,500 fast. It's the app has tons of 37 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:49,000 information in there to guide, you know, competitive athletes 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,800 or, you know, the soccer mom Community or whoever or clinics, 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,000 you know, we have a big clinical side of our business too. 40 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:57,400 But monitoring that level of ketosis, does it changes 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,100 throughout the day and then providing feedback? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:01:59,800 Nice. Nice. 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Well shoot man, I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, beat 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,300 a dead horse. But everything that we talked 45 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:06,600 about in the last podcast you know, people can certainly 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,199 listen to that one but it probably would be worthwhile 47 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,000 since so much has changed in those two and a half years. 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,100 Can you kind of give the listeners a little bit of 49 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:17,300 background into what this biosense monitor is? 50 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:19,900 And kind of what's changed, and what are you excited about going 51 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:21,600 forward with it? Yeah, yeah. 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,300 So we came out of the gate as the only clinical-grade device 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,100 that measures breath breath is really tricky as a as a You 54 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:34,900 know, modality to measure Ketone levels as they change and, you 55 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,500 know, in weight loss, every single program tries to put you 56 00:02:37,508 --> 00:02:41,100 into some level of fat oxidation or ketosis, we call that. 57 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:44,800 So to do that, you prick, your finger a lot or you, you know, 58 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,700 you breathe into a device and those of those have been faulty 59 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,900 in the past because they don't measure the right part of your 60 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:51,200 breath. We just measure the last two 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000 cc's of your breath, that's our patent. 62 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 And that's called fractionating breath at a very high-level 63 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,200 scientific level. So, the key thing is that we 64 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,500 just measure the right part, and then, But it's done multiple 65 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,600 times per day. So the key things that have 66 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,100 changed as we are very technically focused on just a 67 00:03:06,108 --> 00:03:07,800 device. Hey, here's your measurement. 68 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,500 The things that changes the behavior modification, or the 69 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:14,000 knowledge of multiple measurements per day. 70 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,300 Is this ketosis dosing kind of phenomenon, that's pretty pretty 71 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:20,200 hot right now in the clinical side and we get to talk about 72 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,700 that in a second but it's knowing exactly what happens 73 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,300 throughout the day and getting feedback. 74 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:29,800 When that happens, be it running or be. 75 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:33,300 A it working out or be it you know nutritional interventions 76 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:35,600 that you're taking or fasting, fasting is probably the biggest 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,200 change that having all this fasting functionality and then 78 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,100 knowing what happens your body. So we just had kind of hardware 79 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,300 for that. Now it's how do you wrap around 80 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,800 these? These programs and that's what 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,600 people really wanted is in sight. 82 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,800 So hey, I'm doing a, I'm doing a fat, here's a good example right 83 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,700 here. I used to do a 72-hour fast once 84 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:58,200 a month, okay, for my own personal reasons and 85 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,600 anti-inflammatory and other things. 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Now, I just, I need to do 24 hours above 15 on our device. 15 87 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 is is pretty moderate level of ketosis. 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Mean, that's where some of the autophagy, Eric, you know, 89 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,200 cellular regeneration stuff kicks in major anti-inflammatory 90 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,100 benefits, you know, I lose weight if I want to but I don't 91 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,100 I try not to. So all these things is like it 92 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:26,700 leads to one thing as this dosing of ketosis, how deep and 93 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:30,500 how long not not where you are. Once a day, just Checking it out 94 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,500 because that's a false negative or false positives. 95 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,200 Like, where am I going? How does my body react? 96 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,200 That's it. So like, there's like when 97 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,600 people think of testing ketones, testing glucose testing, 98 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,300 anything where they've got, you know, with regard to ketones, 99 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:45,800 you get your three primary metrics. 100 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,000 You've got your acetone which is the breath. 101 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,800 You got your seat OS to take in the year and you get your 102 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,400 beta-hydroxybutyrate in the blood. 103 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Most people tend to, you know, start with the urine strips 104 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,500 because they're cheap, they're easily accessible. 105 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:00,900 They get them at Walgreens CVS. Sediment after about a week or 106 00:05:00,907 --> 00:05:04,700 two have been in ketosis your body becomes efficient at using 107 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:07,600 the ketones, your excreting less of him and you wind up not even 108 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,500 registering on those strips. So most people, then turn to the 109 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:14,900 blood metrics for the beta-hydroxybutyrate, what are 110 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:18,700 some key differences between what you're actually learning 111 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:22,100 from those blood Ketone readings versus what you're learning from 112 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:23,800 those breath Ketone measurements? 113 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:25,100 Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,100 So, you know, scientifically the way to check Like 115 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:35,200 beta-hydroxybutyrate is through a venous draw a capillary draws, 116 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,800 good but that's not the gold standard just so you got to let 117 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,400 me preface that. Is that trials have shown it's 118 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,700 about it can be as much as 20 percent off and then you'll see 119 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:47,500 that like in the packaging and websites of those capillary 120 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,700 devices at home, they'll say up to 20% off. 121 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:52,600 Hmm. So you got to take it with a 122 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,900 grain of salt. It is a that is a storage key 123 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:56,500 tongue. Okay. 124 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,600 Meaning you're someone like you and I that are pretty darn cute. 125 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Oh, I do Didn't, you know, people like Peter, Atiya and Dom 126 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,300 D'Agostino's. They're going to store and you 127 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:08,900 see them in their measurements with biosense and Beach be, 128 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,400 you're going to store less and less Beach be over time. 129 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,500 You just don't need to store as much to convert into what is 130 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:20,200 metabolized that is co acetate. So a COS it's was metabolized by 131 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,500 our mitochondria and then and then as it's expelled in the 132 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:26,100 body through breath, that is acetone. 133 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,200 So acetone into cos take go really hand-in-hand, super 134 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,100 tight. We're Beach. 135 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:35,500 Be is a storage that converts into something else, a different 136 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:38,100 type of Ketone and that's that's where things are. 137 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:42,000 So but ketones in general are signaling, they're signaling. 138 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,300 So it's not just hey, I don't have as much glucose and I'm 139 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:50,100 burning fat for my fuel. There's a signaling ability in 140 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:53,500 ketones in your blood and ultimately then in your breath 141 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,200 or & Co acetate, is also in your blood to. 142 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,500 That signaling is really really critical. 143 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:00,600 And we've seen kind of the Our of that. 144 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,500 And a lot of the clinical trials that were involved in, which may 145 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,200 not be a concern to Consumers, but it's really, really 146 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,600 interesting. And all of these chronic 147 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,500 diseases that we can talk about in the future and a lot of 148 00:07:11,508 --> 00:07:13,800 people. So like I've done all kinds of 149 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,600 little experiments, you know, with my competition preps and 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,400 whatnot. I try to monitor my glucose 151 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,600 Ketone levels to add all the just just so I can kind of see 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,200 how things are correlated and tracking and a lot of people 153 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,700 will notice a like a pretty significant increase. 154 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:35,100 Kris in beta-hydroxybutyrate numbers with a large bolus in 155 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,200 dietary fat, especially if it's something like a like a name, CT 156 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,600 oil, or, you know, coconut oil or something like that. 157 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,300 That's going to have a hide lauric acid content, and likely 158 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:47,500 convert to MCT with something like that. 159 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:51,000 That's not really going to show so much in the breath acetone 160 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,300 reading, correct? It does, no, it does. 161 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:56,300 So we yeah. So even even Exotics ketones. 162 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,300 I mean, all this companies send those exactness ketones to us. 163 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:05,700 The difference is that whereas MCT or exogenous ketones Esters 164 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:08,300 are salts thing. You'll kind of get that big bump 165 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:11,700 within 30 minutes and then you're back out of your back, to 166 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,500 your normal range in about an hour, right? 167 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:18,100 And that's, that's, that's pretty similar in most of these 168 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:21,600 types of thing, they MCTS probably little slower, but with 169 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,700 biosense the device that's measuring. 170 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:27,100 What is actually, you know, member that conversion, even a 171 00:08:27,108 --> 00:08:30,400 BHB Esther, for example, will have to convert Hurt to see do a 172 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,500 state and then it, then it comes out as acetone. 173 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:40,100 So that actual activity that, you know, the, the mitochondria 174 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:42,400 metabolizing that that takes a while longer. 175 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,200 And, and so you'll see that your Peak could be in two or three 176 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,000 hours, and it might last, you know, that wave entire wave last 177 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,100 five or six hours. That's what we see on, average 178 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:56,400 here of the Baseline of like, no Ketone levels. 179 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:00,000 And someone sends us these, you know, these exact words How do 180 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,300 we test that? Usually, it's kind of you get to 181 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:04,900 this low level of ketosis. You maintain that for a few 182 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:06,500 hours and then you start to fade out. 183 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:10,500 So it's much much much slower, which is probably a better 184 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:12,700 indicator, you know, probably better indicator of How It's 185 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:14,000 metabolized. Okay. 186 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,200 There's definitely a correlation is just kind of a delayed. 187 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, and thing about ketones 188 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,900 is, you know, where is glucose goes up and down, boom, boom, 189 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:25,800 boom, all day. You know, if you do more than 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,300 probably five or six Ketone measurements in a day, You're 191 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:33,800 going to get the same kind of curve, it just doesn't change 192 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:39,100 that that fast and on the flip side, if you do one measurement 193 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:42,900 a day, you're going to probably get a false - false positive, 194 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,700 right? So your curve is you know, your 195 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,600 ideal, he's like three to five measurements day if you really 196 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,200 want to know biofeedback and close that feedback loop on what 197 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,800 you're doing, okay? If you just want a snapshot of, 198 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,900 you know, prick your finger or use bioscience get a snapshot of 199 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:01,500 last few hours. I don't know how you know how 200 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,500 important that would be to some What are what are some 201 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:10,000 actionable takeaways like if someone's using biosense meter 202 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,700 or any of these breathalyzer M, like, what are some action we 203 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:15,700 take those out? What are people going to get the 204 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:19,500 most benefit from using them for like if they've got a specific 205 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:21,400 goal in mind? What are what are they needed to 206 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,800 see on that monitor? And what are they going to need 207 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,400 to adjust with their day-to-day actions based off of what 208 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,200 they're seeing? Yeah, that's great. 209 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,100 So here we give you two examples. 210 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,600 One is just nutritional ketosis and one would be like in 211 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,300 fasting. So let's just say, aye, Show 212 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:37,300 like myself. I want to you know, I want to 213 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,000 lose a little bit. Wait for example and you know 214 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,800 have inflammatory benefits, all those things like that. 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,900 So typical ketosis benefits is I want to be able to start to 216 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:52,800 experiment and say, you know, in the morning, I wake up, this is 217 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,400 what I eat and I think I'm going on this path of being in this 218 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,600 state of burning fat as my fuel. I think I'm there, okay? 219 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,000 I don't want to know if I am because quite frankly, this is 220 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,300 limited in Valley. That's Like will illumine device 221 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:06,000 would do. That's a breath. 222 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,500 Device can tell you, it gives you a proxy of are you burning 223 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:10,900 fat? Are you burning fuel? 224 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,800 That doesn't really help anybody. 225 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,400 What you really want to know is, hey, I'm eating this food and 226 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,000 it's it's it's not impacting my Ketone levels or I met Dan 227 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,800 Aikido brick, for example, in which I love. 228 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,000 You know, these are the things that I do and this is what my 229 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,800 specific level of fat burn is or fat oxidation or ketosis, it's 230 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,700 all the same thing. So, you know exactly how to 231 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:39,100 tweak that behavior at a personalized level. 232 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Okay. So it's not knowing, you know, 233 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:44,600 knowing if you're in ketosis is about as value because knowing 234 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,500 if you have a fever you kind of want to know what that is and 235 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,900 how that changes throughout the day, same thing, same thing. 236 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:52,300 With ketosis. You run you worked out. 237 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:54,000 What is it going to do? And it's going to be different 238 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,500 for everybody, you know, it is different for everybody. 239 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:01,300 We start to personalize that and give that feedback to say, hey, 240 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:06,900 by the way, you may not need to too fast for 72 hours to get the 241 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,800 same benefit. You may need only just do 40 242 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:15,600 where takes Roberts, 72 to get that same benefit of, like high 243 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,100 levels of ketosis for a certain amount of time. 244 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:22,100 So time, it's kind of like time in range a little bit with 245 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:23,500 glucose. Gotcha. 246 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,100 Gotcha. As you mentioned working out and 247 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,200 training. So when I've done, like I've 248 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,000 wanted to see James in the past. And what I noticed is all pretty 249 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,500 pronounced spike in blood sugar intra training and then 250 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:36,600 immediately Afterwards and a corresponding drop in blood 251 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,100 ketones. I'm assuming that's just from 252 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,000 mobilizing the the muscle glycogen. 253 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Yeah. What's happening with the breath 254 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,200 ketones? During that time, I haven't 255 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,100 really tested around workouts as it. 256 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:48,900 Is it going to have a similar, you know, Bell Crown now because 257 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:51,400 keep in mind, what is that? What is that beach be doing? 258 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,500 The BHP is converting into something that can be used. 259 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,100 So you're actually when you work out you're probably going to see 260 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:02,200 a decrease in Ketone level. So be aware of that you know, 261 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,500 decreasing Ketone levels when in all All actuality you're 262 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:09,300 actually using more, you know, depending on where you are in 263 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:12,800 your levels of fat oxidation, I mean, you're going to be using 264 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,300 that. So A Better reflection of that 265 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:19,500 arguably is acetoacetate or acetone because we're not 266 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:21,400 worried about what's being converted into something that's 267 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,100 being used. We're talking about what's being 268 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,300 used. Okay, two very different things. 269 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:29,800 Conversion of storage Beach. Be into what's being used and 270 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,900 that's where biosense measures that. 271 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:35,300 So biosense measurements. Like you would think Ketone 272 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:40,500 levels will increase during a workout and beats be tends to 273 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:44,800 decrease in a workout. They will converge over time. 274 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,000 OKC, do acetate. Logically would probably 275 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,200 increase like acetone. So that's the key thing now 276 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,400 glucose, you know depending on what your your glucose levels 277 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,600 are obviously you know, that's a different story. 278 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:58,000 Yeah. That was my assumption that mean 279 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,700 that made sense in my mind but I haven't really tested around it 280 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:04,200 so that I'm glad you clarified. I haven't done much to Extended 281 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,900 fasting I've done, you know, like to Extended fast one last 282 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:11,200 was like five and a half days but I didn't have I don't think 283 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,900 I was using the bow since M then. 284 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:16,600 But I was getting some crazy extremes on the Ketone and 285 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,500 glucose from. Like I was getting, I don't 286 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:22,500 know, I think 33 blood glucose milligrams per deciliter and I 287 00:14:22,508 --> 00:14:24,800 think my ketones were up around 7:00 or something like that. 288 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,200 So I'd be curious to see what the ace score was on the Bayou. 289 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,900 CM. Yeah, yes you would be. 290 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,100 And you know foremost, here's just an average the This 291 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:37,500 measurement is a level of is a derivative of parts per million 292 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:43,100 of acetone the Ketone. But it's goes it's a zero to 40. 293 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,000 So it's very, very very specific. 294 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,200 So you probably would top it and a five day you'd probably top it 295 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,000 out. Probably. 296 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,200 Okay, and it's usually about 10 on average, 10 to 12, capillary 297 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,400 measurement. So 1 millimolar is roughly the 298 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,700 equivalent, but you don't want to compare these their apples. 299 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:01,500 Don't wonder they're different Ketone bodies, right? 300 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,000 Yeah. So really we should be Be 301 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,400 measured against acetone tanks, or Venus draw BHP, and not 302 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,100 really a capillary measurement. So although it's a good proxy, 303 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:16,000 the biases M, it just measures. Hi. 304 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,100 Once you once you top it a, try like that. 305 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,200 Is that what the current display that shown? 306 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,300 Yeah. Yeah. 307 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:22,500 So same thing. Same display. 308 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:27,000 It's like when you get over 40 Aces, which is the equivalent of 309 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,000 you November 20 to 40. So I'd be the clone of a most 310 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,600 people of about 4. Mahler. 311 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:38,000 Okay, for millimolar. And and the example you just 312 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,900 gave you a really, really really high. 313 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:42,600 Yeah. Yeah I mean you're in a really 314 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,500 significant out of pejic state. I mean you're doing some 315 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:48,500 seriously serious cellular clean up there. 316 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,700 Yeah, I don't, I don't do that often. 317 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,100 Like I think one, I think one people won't want to stick. 318 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:57,100 I see a lot of people making these days is, they'll do 319 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,100 extended fasting far too frequently. 320 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:03,000 Also the context of just simply being in a caloric deficit, and 321 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 if you're doing Both, you know caloric restriction for fat loss 322 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,100 purposes and you're also doing extended fasting effect. 323 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:10,200 That's just too many stressors on the body. 324 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,900 But if I'm going to really, you know, significant caloric 325 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:17,100 Surplus, like I am right now. All oftentimes throw-in, you 326 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,600 know, an extended fast on a quarterly or you know, and yeah, 327 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,200 yeah, yeah. There you go clean down the 328 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,800 context of being in that Surplus. 329 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,700 Yeah, exactly exactly. So and then you know, the 330 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:30,700 fascinating thing is that it all depends on your Baseline to so 331 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,400 your success like do you need to do a five-day fast? 332 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,700 Well guess If you're coming from a carb restrictive, Baseline and 333 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:43,000 your and you go for a pretty significant run or bike ride, it 334 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,100 remove your blockage in stores. You're going to be really fast 335 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:49,300 to get to your target a level. So you, it really is like it's 336 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:52,000 all about your time in the range of repair. 337 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,300 And for me, I seek I want 24 hours above 15. 338 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,800 Yeah. And it used to be used to take 339 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,300 me 72 hours and it takes me about 50 to 55. 340 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:03,700 So I'm getting more efficient at doing the same job. 341 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,700 Job. But again, that's that feedback 342 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:09,200 loop is closed and I just didn't have that information before. 343 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,500 So I can do a lot of different things and that's the cool thing 344 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:14,599 about all, these clinical trials that were mullet is it, we 345 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,300 enable some of these researchers to do this. 346 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:20,200 You know, we have an infertility study we have in Europe, we 347 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,900 have, you know, obviously ongoing Alzheimer's studies 348 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:27,200 going on. We have three here at Washington 349 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,900 University in St. Louis ranging from type 1. 350 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:33,300 Diabetes to compare two diets to pancreatic cancer. 351 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,900 Goes on and on and on not, is that people want to close this 352 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:42,300 Loop and understand what is my death, and my width of this 353 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:47,100 magical medicine, called fat oxidation or ketosis, but it's 354 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:50,100 been the wild west thus far, and we're trying to put some 355 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,300 structure around it to help people make sense. 356 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:56,400 But from a clinical setting, have you noticed they're being a 357 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,600 significant difference between reaching those levels via 358 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,700 endogenous production of ketones versus you know, exile. 359 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,600 And supplementation. It's very rare that we have seen 360 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,500 that doesn't mean it's not happening because I know there 361 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,600 is some studies like in Canada, but we don't see a lot of 362 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,900 exemptions Ketone activity and clinical trials, okay? 363 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:21,900 And the reason being is that from a triggering mechanism, I 364 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,400 just don't think there's a lot of data out there. 365 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,500 Now, in the athletic performance side, you certainly there's some 366 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:30,900 pretty good data on exotic Mesquite owns, you know, for a 367 00:18:30,908 --> 00:18:35,100 race or, you know, mental clarity For it, you know, if 368 00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:38,000 they are even TBI. For example, TBI is a really 369 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,500 good example, of where exogenous ketones come in, you're going on 370 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:45,300 a jump out of a plane, get checked up on exogenous ketones, 371 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:48,400 very quickly for brain recovery and things like that. 372 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,600 So, so I think that there's a lot of value there, but not in 373 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,500 the typical chronic disease, management or prevention 374 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,000 reversal. More likely reversal side, not 375 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,800 not so much, doesn't mean that they're, it doesn't work. 376 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,900 There's just such little research on that. 377 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,700 Yeah, I've been kind of playing around with. 378 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:04,900 I mean, companies have been sent me all these exotic just ketones 379 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,000 lately. So I've just been, you know, 380 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,900 using them for various developments. 381 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:11,400 Yeah. But I like them for like I can 382 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:17,800 confidently say that I love the the Esters I think the Ketone IQ 383 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:21,300 H VM in brand, they sent me a bunch and I've been using them 384 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:25,600 before podcast and I feel like having, you know, 30, I think 385 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,500 it's in males is what it's do stat. 386 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,800 You know, about 15-20 minutes prior to a podcast, I just feel 387 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,200 noticeably sharper. Yeah and that makes sense. 388 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,900 So there is research for that those like what is that 389 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,900 immediate impact out there for something like that but it's not 390 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:41,800 going to do anything. I don't think of this isn't a 391 00:19:41,808 --> 00:19:44,100 research on this about the impact of chronic disease, and 392 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,500 that's where we kind of play a little bit better. 393 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:49,500 So I think you're right about. This is like, and it could last 394 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,600 longer too. Like you have that and be cool 395 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,700 to test out with biosensors. See, how long does that last? 396 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,900 Your Baseline is pretty, low carb, is it is, I think Robert, 397 00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:59,400 right? I mean, most of the time, your? 398 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:01,500 Yeah, I can't tell you. I mean, the last time I had a 399 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:04,400 actual carbohydrate-based, Was seven plus years ago? 400 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:09,100 Okay, there, yes. So you know you that's where 401 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:11,900 it's really interesting. I here in our office we studied 402 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:15,100 some of these exemptions ketones and there was that us of us that 403 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:19,000 have a high Baseline of ketosis. It doesn't have nearly as much 404 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,500 of an impact as those that have no Baseline, you know, which is 405 00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:26,500 a different study, developing itself would be pretty 406 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:27,700 interesting to see the difference. 407 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:30,100 But, but yeah, yeah, that's quite I use it to. 408 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:32,400 I mean, that's the one time I use this for mental Clarity of, 409 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,900 like, If I have really really really important meetings and it 410 00:20:35,908 --> 00:20:38,600 might be in the morning. I I'll I'll throw down an 411 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,300 exaggerated ski time for sure. I've heard of people having 412 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:44,000 success with it for sleep. Like they'll take it you know 30 413 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,300 minutes before going to sleep and I've I've kind of played 414 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,400 around that a little bit. But honestly right now I mean 415 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,400 with me having a brand-new baby, any any experiments I'm done 416 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,700 with sleep or totally skewed. So there's not really any point 417 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:57,600 in testing and I I didn't, I don't find it. 418 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Yeah, I tried that on sleep too and I did not. 419 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,600 I don't see any value there, too. 420 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,800 But I can't, you know, you never know. 421 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:08,200 The problem with this whole Ketone ketosis Marketplace is 422 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,300 that it? We're talking about a biomarker. 423 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:15,000 Yeah, the biomarker changes throughout the day and no one's 424 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,800 really been wired into that as like I got it. 425 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,900 I gotta figure out my full day, you know, I mean a single 426 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,600 measurement. It is still 50% off and 427 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,100 time-weighted average. Why would anybody do a single 428 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:29,400 measurement? So the key thing is just like 429 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,500 glucose you can check your glucose and if it's not you're 430 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,900 fasting glucose. It's It's kind of well, what did 431 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,900 you eat the last 20 minutes? San Diego. 432 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:38,500 He'd been. So you want to kind of start to 433 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:42,600 to tell the story and his story is it goes up and down and how 434 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,200 deep am I in it? And and then make sure you have 435 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,500 the right device to support it. So if you're pricking your 436 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:51,400 finger just you know recommendation 3 times a day 437 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,300 yeah master key to Mojo would love to hear that for their 438 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,100 sales. But I mean this reality of it 439 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,300 you need to do it multiple times per day to really have that ya 440 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,900 know make sense man. How often are you typically 441 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:03,200 using the mouse? M. 442 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Yeah, so I do I'm more of a I've gotten to the point where I used 443 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,700 it for a year. Really making sure that my 444 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,600 protocol would I do what I all these family obligations Bubba, 445 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:20,700 that I can, I'm kind of at the four to six level like really 446 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,500 close to N and then out kind of cycling in and out type of think 447 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:28,500 that's my and then once a month I I do a three-day ish fast but 448 00:22:28,508 --> 00:22:31,100 I'm getting more efficient at it just based on numbers and then 449 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,100 and then I'll do like A 24-hour fast once a week. 450 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:38,000 So I use it for fasting primarily or if I'm trying like 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,800 new foods, you know, like new protocol type of thing, any 452 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,000 change, I'll monitor just to make sure that it's not having 453 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 an impact. I do a lot of sleep hacking 454 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,000 meaning like I'm monitoring sleep impact so there's a lot of 455 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,200 things that I'll test it with. But yeah. 456 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,700 So I would say use a probably on average three out of five days 457 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,300 in this initially every day three times a day or five times 458 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:02,000 a day somewhere in there and then fast fasting. 459 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,200 I will say this Listen, I use it probably every two hours. 460 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:09,300 Yeah and I would imagine there's a lot less flux with the 461 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:13,700 biosciences opposed to like a blood test with things like you 462 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,800 know the Don phenomenon waking up in the morning. 463 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,300 Yeah. Like it's just probably going to 464 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:20,400 be less, you know, variance in that. 465 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000 I would imagine. Yeah I mean I don't know if 466 00:23:23,008 --> 00:23:25,900 we've done add-on effect where you know your body's release 467 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,900 glucose and ketones could go down things like that. 468 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:30,500 You're just not, I don't think there's been extensive studies 469 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,500 on that with biosense but you're right. 470 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,000 It is That I think the variability were really 471 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,100 addresses, is in working out, you know, like having a storage 472 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,800 Ketone convert, that's a full step that we avoid. 473 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,600 You know, it's like Cito acetate is used and this is how comes 474 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,000 out of the body and its expelled that way. 475 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,300 So it's a little more real time. This is what's happening to you. 476 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:57,300 So, that's the key thing. I mean, you know, it's pretty 477 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,300 broad measurement, range, 0 to 40 and contender in ketosis is 478 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,400 just 5, right? 25. 479 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,400 So there's a lot of room to go north of there and you know 480 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,200 patients with epilepsy live, pretty high in that scale. 481 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,400 Hmm. Whereas people in low levels of 482 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:15,600 ketosis, still are getting your fat burn for weight loss. 483 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 And you know, some of these patients, gosh, man. 484 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,800 There they gamify it and are up there in the 20s 30s. 485 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,900 I think, I mean, I just tested about two hours before this: I 486 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:28,300 was at 23, okay? Wow. 487 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:32,700 And I feel like whenever I'm testing so much of it depends. 488 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,200 Ends on whether I'm in a caloric Surplus or deficit, like what 489 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,300 I'm going to cut for a prep, all of my numbers are just much much 490 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,000 higher at Baseline than when they're in when I'm in a surplus 491 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,100 like my ketones are higher. My glucose is lower like 492 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,000 everything's just more extreme when I met a cut but when you're 493 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,500 in a surplus least when I've found is that they're just a lot 494 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,200 more of a buffer there like you've got your taking in so 495 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,200 much of an excess that your body is is not really operating on 496 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,700 the extremes from a biofeedback standpoint. 497 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,600 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's that's the key thing. 498 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,800 It's all about one thing. Connecting. 499 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,300 The dots. You do something, you feedback 500 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,600 and then you tweak it, right? Yeah. 501 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,600 That's that's what it's all. Chronic disease, prep for 502 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:21,600 competitions, you know, typical guy trying to lose a beer belly. 503 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 All of these come back to. I got to have feedback and what 504 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,300 the heck I'm doing. And I need to have that more 505 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:29,300 than once a day because my body changes more than once a day and 506 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:31,500 only. Yeah, that's the key thing. 507 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,900 Have you ever known of any He studies done with the bounces 508 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:37,200 Peter and maybe they're not black official studies but just 509 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,300 kind of like what you experienced in notice with what 510 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:43,100 people are using them that you know people with varying degrees 511 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,700 of feta Temptation. Like right now you know 512 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:48,200 metabolic flexibility is one of the hot topics and everybody's 513 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,200 trying to do not know bounce back and forth between ketogenic 514 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,900 diet and eating, you know, being able to justify their carbs on 515 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,600 the weekends and stuff and I'm just kind of curious this 516 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,800 connect the dots on that and see if that is causing any lack of 517 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,600 true fat. Patient basically. 518 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:07,800 Yeah, I know, we haven't, we haven't analysis in allies data 519 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,400 on that know. I don't know if you have enough 520 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,100 of that to know exactly what someone's behavior is until they 521 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,400 start logging and we will have all that capability of like 522 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600 putting exactly what someone eats, we have logging in there 523 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,700 right now and in the app, because the app is what's 524 00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:21,300 driving? The behavior modification, 525 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,300 right. Let's keep things like setting 526 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:27,500 your targets and then hitting those targets for weight loss or 527 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,900 you know all the programs we have our like within the app our 528 00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:32,600 weight loss. Metabolic. 529 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,400 Flexibility, which is lower levels of ketones. 530 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,500 And then the higher ones are like anti-inflammatory which are 531 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,800 important for me. I had six knee surgeries all in, 532 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,600 you know, from soccer and things. 533 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,900 So you know, it's different for everybody. 534 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,500 But now I don't think we have that type of data, that's pretty 535 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,200 interesting. You know, on that fat adaptation 536 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,500 over time, I can just, you know, personal stories is that I'm 537 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,700 pretty darn quick to get back into a mode where ever. 538 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,000 I need to be. Yeah, you know, it's just been a 539 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,500 few years so It's really easy for me to kind of dictate my 540 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,500 where I want to be and it's being it's you know it's cool, 541 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,100 it's just becoming quicker and quicker and quicker. 542 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,500 So I kind of feel like I'm in full control of where I am in 543 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,400 fat oxidation and intense, man make sense. 544 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,500 Yeah, yeah. You may feel the Lumen earlier 545 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,500 and they sent me a lumen device and I've kind of played around 546 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,400 with it like three times. I think, can you kind of compare 547 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,300 and contrast? What the difference in 548 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,000 technology are the kind of what What one is showing over the 549 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,700 other? Yeah, I mean that's that's a, 550 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,900 that's not a medical device, that's a consumer device. 551 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,200 So, first big difference is that by a sense, device is a medical 552 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,400 device. So, we're monitored by the FDA, 553 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,300 and that's a, you know, just that's what you do with devices 554 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,600 that have that much clinical background to them. 555 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,400 So, number two, is that we measure fat burn a or fat 556 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600 oxidation or ketosis as it changes that measures. 557 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,200 Respiratory quotient. But they which is a quotient of 558 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,700 oxygen intake to carbon dioxide, you know. 559 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,800 Exhale they don't the Lumen device to my knowledge does not 560 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,100 measure oxygen so it is a proxy so pretty good guess of where 561 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:24,000 you might be in a state of fat burner car burn, okay? 562 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,600 And that's it. So it gives you hey, you're 563 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,700 probably burning fat for fuel or probably burning carbs for a 564 00:28:32,708 --> 00:28:34,600 fuel and they'll give you five or six. 565 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:38,500 I think five ranges on that. So they're not measuring oxygen. 566 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,800 So what is the the metric that they are measuring the measuring 567 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,400 carbon dioxide in your breath? So, it's a, it's a proxy for 568 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,700 respiratory quotient, which is what is measured in a metabolic 569 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,100 cart in a hospital. So so, so if you wanted to do it 570 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,900 the right way, you'd have to do in hospital, you couldn't do it. 571 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,200 The device where's acetone is a different gas. 572 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,600 We measure we measure exactly what your fat burn data is not. 573 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,000 Not what not the, if, but exactly where you are. 574 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,700 So, I think about this, like, again, the fever example, like 575 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,400 Lumen could say, hey, you have a fever and then we're thumb, you 576 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400 know, biosensors a thermometer what your, what your actual 577 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400 temperature is as it changes throughout the day. 578 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,600 So that's that's the difference. So Lumen would be limited as 579 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,200 soon as so in a measurement. Like it was we have 0 to 40 580 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:32,200 Lumen measurements are the 024 equivalent of our 02:40. 581 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,400 So They're just the very very bottom of that. 582 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Like you're burning carbs which would be a zero on biosense, are 583 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,600 you burning fat? I'm not afraid of lumen. 584 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,400 I mean, I I tried it around like I said, a few times and it was 585 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,500 like, the day it was giving me was just really skewed. 586 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,100 Like I was saying that I was eating way too many carbs on my, 587 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,200 I haven't had carbs in seven years. 588 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,500 I don't you talking about? Yeah, give me data. 589 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,900 That was just totally wonky. So, like, I'd never really put 590 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:57,800 much stock into what it's telling me. 591 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,700 Yeah. So again, it doesn't measure 592 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:03,300 oxygen. So it's a, you know, it's a It's 593 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,500 a device that could maybe give some proxy to some people. 594 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:07,600 I'm not really sure who that would be. 595 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,300 But yeah, so we're really focused on providing the 596 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,000 behavior modification over long-term and giving biofeedback 597 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,700 actual real biofeedback, not a, not a proxy to something but 598 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,400 actual biofeedback based on what you do and then wrapping that up 599 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000 in an app that says, hey, do this differently or do that. 600 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,200 So that must be, I mean like with the media that I'm using 601 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,800 from that OG M Pool from, you know, two and a half years ago. 602 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,300 I don't know of any of that. Functionality. 603 00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:37,300 So I must be just on the way beginning beginning stage 604 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,400 because like the, I guess the app now like it's one thing I 605 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,200 did notice about the Lumen, is it had all kinds of actionable 606 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,500 data even though I didn't really agree with the actionable data, 607 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,200 I can see how that would be very, you know, complementary to 608 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,900 people that are wanting more directions. 609 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,300 That's kind of what y'all have done in rolled out with the new. 610 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Yeah Direction. Yeah, yeah. 611 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,700 We're heading that direction to it would be a little bit more. 612 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,500 Physiologic you know, where his content content. 613 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,700 On some of these apps are consumer apps like, hey, eat 614 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,000 less this or do that? That's, that's kind of kind of 615 00:31:08,008 --> 00:31:09,600 apply to everybody. Doesn't really matter what your 616 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,200 biomarkers, right? It's like, hey, do this and kind 617 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,500 of applies and I don't agree with a lot of it, because it's 618 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,600 not a, you know, they don't really seek ketosis in any of 619 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,900 their content in the Lumen device because they can't 620 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:24,700 measure it, right? So it'd be more of a just 621 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:27,900 simple, real simple basic stuff, but there's value in that and a 622 00:31:27,908 --> 00:31:31,700 lot of just kind of someone that wants to understand metabolism 623 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,900 101. Are you know, first paragraph of 624 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:38,900 your lesson type of thing. So where we fit in as more of a 625 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,300 ultimately prescriptive model of, hey, this is where your 626 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,000 body's going as it changes throughout the day. 627 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,100 Let's look at what can be changed on the line and that's 628 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,100 the stuff that we'll have in the future. 629 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,100 We don't have that right now. That could be like hey try 630 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:55,500 eating one hour earlier, try doing this or that and and then 631 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,800 you should put this in but right now today is hey you're in a 632 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,500 program. Let's say for weight loss. 633 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:04,300 It's take 3 measurements today so it is very Specific Target 634 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,700 above, five, Aces to 5 to 10, okay? 635 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,200 For the next 28 days, document your weight in there and then 636 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,500 let's look at that correlation and then you your pinged, hey, 637 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:16,300 need to take a measurement now. So just a little bit more 638 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:20,800 prescriptive and and you don't have to sit still think, you 639 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,100 know, with metabolic wear with like Lumen, you have to sit 640 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:26,500 still for a while, you know, by essentially can do that on an 641 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:28,800 airplane or under way to work or whatever you want to do. 642 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,500 Yeah, totally. I mean it's exciting stuff man. 643 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,300 Like, I feel Pamela's. Mm. 644 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,900 As a whole is something that the general population is just 645 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,800 incredibly confused by. She's yeah. 646 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,600 And the consumer space. Yeah for sure. 647 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,700 Yeah. And there's like like you've got 648 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:48,500 you know a lot of the Bro dieters you know heralding you 649 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,500 know calories in calories out is the end-all be-all. 650 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,700 And there's a lot of people, the low-carb keto space that are in 651 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:55,700 total, disagreement with calories in calories out 652 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,800 because, you know, that's quote-unquote, not worked for 653 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,400 them. And I mean, there's some truth 654 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,800 to everything. I feel like that all matters, 655 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600 hormones matter, Cal matter, energy balance matters, but when 656 00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:07,800 you look at the energy balance, you know, that should ideally 657 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,700 take into account. You know, what your hormones are 658 00:33:09,708 --> 00:33:12,200 doing, what your activity levels are doing, what your consumption 659 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,600 is. Like, like, that is kind of like 660 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,000 the all-inclusive, you know, what is your energy intake and 661 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 energy expenditure. And I feel like where things are 662 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,500 going with these, you know, breath devices. 663 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,600 Like, biosense, especially if you're following a ketogenic 664 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,300 diet. Low carb diet in your measuring 665 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:28,100 and you're getting more actionable data with this 666 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,000 quantifiable acetone measurement. 667 00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:33,200 You can really start to harness whether or not You are in a 668 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400 energy Surplus or energy deficit, based off of this 669 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,100 feedback. That's right. 670 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:41,100 And then tweak it tweak what you're doing and then see what 671 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,700 happens, you know, and it's, you know, you don't, I don't certain 672 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,200 kind of these. You're going to need biases for 673 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,400 a long, long, long, long time. But ultimately, we're here to 674 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 help educate the specific. So you can do whatever you want 675 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,700 to end up doing. And, you know, our job is to 676 00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:00,200 wean you off of these with phenomenal, Behavior changes, 677 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,500 you know, or knowledge in the competitive space. 678 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 It's like knowledge of where you need to be and then just then 679 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,300 it's more to check in type of thing, but you got to have real 680 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,400 data. That's why I like a medical 681 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,699 device. I mean you just said it like 682 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:15,699 there's so much stuff out there about metabolism like CGM for 683 00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:18,100 weight loss. May come on lipolysis or weight 684 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:21,699 loss is fat. Oxidation, is burning fat as 685 00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:24,800 your fuel. That's not in glucose, glucose 686 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,400 limit your glucose to stop gaining weight but then there's 687 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,000 another side. So there's just Infamous 688 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,699 information everywhere. I need to this 18:6 diet, where 689 00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:33,600 do whatever you want for, Showers and you're going to be 690 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,800 in phenomenal shape, you know, by not eating for 18 hours. 691 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:39,500 That's not going to really work that. 692 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,300 Well, yeah. So the good news is though, is 693 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,500 that, you know, the real companies are being separated 694 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,600 from the from the ones that are kind of pulling the wool over 695 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,000 our eyes but that'll take time. Yeah, hey, that's your job 696 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,199 people like, you gotta go to make sure you're sure, you're 697 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,200 sure and no I mean, I like I mean you and I talked way back 698 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,900 in the day and I like the direction the company's going 699 00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:02,500 and there's a lot of there's a lot. 700 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000 Of testing devices out there that I think you know, we're not 701 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600 really worthwhile and when it comes to testing, you know, 702 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,100 blood test with the finger Pricks. 703 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,500 Like you know, if I'm doing a whole bunch of experiments I 704 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,300 like Gathering that data but at the end of day, at the end of 705 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,600 the day, everybody's goal in my opinion, should be to 706 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:22,200 effortlessly, maintain a very healthy composition while eating 707 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,000 incredibly intuitively and not tracking anything. 708 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,900 Now, if you're not there yet, you should dial in everything 709 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,200 and pull out all the stops and get there as efficiently as 710 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,700 possible. All, but, you know, for for the 711 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,100 people that are not there yet, which I would argue, is the 712 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:40,400 majority of the population. That's certainly the case when 713 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,900 you look at the obesity rate right now, yeah, yeah. 714 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,200 Being able to have actionable data like this and quantifiable 715 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,900 tools that you can use to get this feedback, I think is 716 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:51,900 incredibly valuable. Yeah, you know, it gets even 717 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:57,000 deeper tune that summon Le like you and I that we probably 718 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,700 pretty darn knowledgeable about this space just because of 719 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,600 experience and we be lots of Research papers and we, you 720 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,300 know, in our site where in the research but the bottom line is, 721 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,100 even if once we tweak that and we've got it, we're in a really 722 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,300 good place, our bodies do change and, you know, I'll give you 723 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,300 some personal examples, like, cortisol levels, really, really 724 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,400 screw with my metabolism big time. 725 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400 You know, I run a company, you run a company, you know, like 726 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,100 it's the stress can be pretty high at times, they like, why am 727 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,700 I not sleeping so? Well, it's the cortisol levels 728 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,500 are higher, that's impacting. Your ability to get into these 729 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:35,800 higher levels of High impact, you know, Ketone ketosis levels, 730 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,100 you know, like, and I can feel that in the inflammation, like 731 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,600 wait a minute, something's different and and it usually is 732 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000 related to things like stress, which means, then I got to tweak 733 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,500 it, you know. And I'll test myself and like 734 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,700 I'm sure enough you know I'm in much lower levels of fat 735 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,800 oxidation or ketosis and I thought, you know, and even 736 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,400 though I'm doing the same thing. So we're complex bird, we really 737 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600 are, then we assume anything, you know, are you aware of any 738 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,200 devices in production? Or you know, in the R&D phase 739 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,100 that are going to be able to allow us to monitor. 740 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,500 Cortisol levels real time. No. 741 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:15,500 But I boy, I'd get it. Yeah, that would be like that. 742 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,700 Well reliably, I mean there's going to be things like its 743 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,500 saliva and this and that and sweat and stuff like that. 744 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,600 But I mean, reliable real information on this. 745 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,100 That would be fantastic. I feel like people need to be 746 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:32,200 able to see that and like a real time, you know, data feedback 747 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,500 wave. Oo well actually probably should 748 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,000 meditate RC probably turn the TV off. 749 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,900 I should probably relax but like people do a blood test you know 750 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:42,400 once every two years and it says their cortisol levels are 751 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,100 elevated and they just forget about they don't do anything 752 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,700 about it. Yeah, well here's I did mine. 753 00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,400 It said they're fine. Okay. 754 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,500 When I knew that they weren't because waking up at 4:00 in the 755 00:37:50,508 --> 00:37:54,500 morning, you know, every day thinking about cool things and, 756 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,000 you know, spent 35 bucks on a test of cortisol test. 757 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:03,800 And at the time I took the test was after I had Broke now up and 758 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,500 had a cup of coffee. I was chilled out. 759 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,800 I was sitting outside. I'm like I'm in a pretty 760 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,800 meditative State here in a good place. 761 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,000 I'm checking my cortisol levels. There's like I need and I just 762 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,600 spent 35 bucks to tell me something. 763 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,000 I already know that my cortisol levels are good. 764 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,300 Well, they weren't three hours ago when I was kind of half 765 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,600 sleeping half not when I can't even take it that. 766 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,400 So it's your right like these Spot Shot test and Kita. 767 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,300 Arguably ketones are like that. Like they're just not a great 768 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,100 reflection of reality of our body's changing and that's what 769 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,000 needs to be. Rest. 770 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,100 Yeah, and that has such a trickle-down effect on 771 00:38:35,107 --> 00:38:38,800 everything. I took a testosterone test and I 772 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600 took, I was stupid. When I took that took it after 773 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,900 having literally stayed awake for a week because it was like, 774 00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:48,400 batshit crazy in February of this year. 775 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,300 There's a whole bunch of stuff going with the business, I 776 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,000 literally wouldn't sleeping and I was like stress levels to the 777 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,200 freaking Nth Degree and that took this this test and my 778 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,000 testosterone literally was cut in half and had I not taken a 779 00:39:01,008 --> 00:39:02,200 test. I would have thought nothing of 780 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,500 it. It but then when I actually 781 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000 recognized, you know, and put the pieces together. 782 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,600 I'm like wow. Okay I hadn't slept hardly at 783 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,800 all this past week, stress levels, through the roof. 784 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,900 Everything is just totally jacked up. 785 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,600 But, you know, I don't do tests like that very often. 786 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,100 So I think if there was a way to measure that more frequently 787 00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:22,400 from like a stress standpoint, yeah, that would probably be. 788 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400 I put more emphasis on that to anything. 789 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,700 Yeah, that's the same exact thing that same test that I took 790 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,200 actually was testosterone and, and cortisol levels and when it 791 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,100 In the my cortisol levels were normal, which is, there's no way 792 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,500 they were or they were at the very moment, but then 793 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,500 testosterone was low and I'm like, that's not true either. 794 00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,900 So it's you got, it's about the story. 795 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,300 You know, it's not snapshot, it's the story and we gotta 796 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,300 figure out a way to do that. So hey, you find that product. 797 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:50,500 Let me know. I'm going to get it. 798 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,100 Yeah, let's this next thing on your list of things to, you 799 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,400 know, crap there in the warehouse, man. 800 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,800 Just get to worry about that, would you? 801 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,500 So, I wish is that easy? Yeah, I'm medical devices. 802 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,300 What a what? It's in the pipeline, man. 803 00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,500 What are you excited about? As far as the Bayou since m, is 804 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,300 there something else totally unrelated to that? 805 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,400 That you get cooking? No, we do. 806 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,800 You know, it's pretty much on the Demeter is, I mean, is a 807 00:40:12,808 --> 00:40:14,600 collection for an experience, right? 808 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,700 The devices device. It's like, what do you do if you 809 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:21,300 have the only clinical non-invasive way to track, 810 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,000 moving shifting ketones without pricking yourself mobilized. 811 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,800 A, you've got that data, what does that mean? 812 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000 And it really means that you can build digital programs that are 813 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000 super smart and I mean really smart, not Not all that 814 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,700 different than what all these companies are doing with CGM on 815 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,000 the other side of the metal box, which CGM? 816 00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,800 Notice that? None of those measure ketosis or 817 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,900 fat oxidation. They can't, they don't have a 818 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:50,100 way to do that unless they work with us so what you just 819 00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:52,400 manually enter your blood pressure or something like that. 820 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,900 So there's that's there's an exciting array of different 821 00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:00,400 applications. So I would say that's the 822 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,700 primary thing. We've Yeah, so it's same 823 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:08,100 Hardware obviously much upgraded but the digital side of this and 824 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,500 behavior modifications, where we've invested really, really 825 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:14,900 heavily and you'll sink with heads up Health, right? 826 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:17,400 Like all that is synchronized. Yeah. 827 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,200 Heads up health and Doc sink and Elation and chronometer and carb 828 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,000 manager and Senza. And I'm sure hola life ohmic 829 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,300 with our fasting app so there's a lot that we we embed ourselves 830 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:33,500 into and then obviously, we have our own Melody of fasting and 831 00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:36,400 things like zeros and other one, if you're using 20 app, can 832 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,000 integrate with that. And then we have our own 833 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200 fasting, we clocks and all that. That have actual Ketone 834 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,400 measurements instead of just a guess. 835 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,500 Nice, nice. That's yeah, so a lots in the 836 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:53,600 hopper and you said the new devices, they're faster to I 837 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,800 guess, like when I click the button, like I've got to wait, 838 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,000 like 20 seconds in order for me to blow that's fast, that's 839 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,800 still pretty fast, because it has to heat up the sensor to a 840 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000 certain level. Level and then it's a smart 841 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,600 sensor so it knows that it's kind of killing off any type of 842 00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,600 biologic or anything that's on the sensor so it will heat it up 843 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,800 really really high like 300 degrees this and burn that off. 844 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,800 Now if you have if it's sitting around hand sanitizer, which 845 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,100 yours clearly was not, it could take a while, you know, like you 846 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:25,900 got a burn that off it so alcohols not a friend of 847 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,000 sensors, so that's it. So you know, first time you use 848 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,000 it a it takes probably 23 minutes or if you have any While 849 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,300 and then each time you use it might take 30 seconds so you 850 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,000 stored. Your is really really well you 851 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600 started somewhere and then I my desk. 852 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:42,100 Yeah. Okay there you go. 853 00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,900 And then the the app obviously just download the app. 854 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:49,100 My BIOS are biosense from readout health and then it 855 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:51,700 connects everything together. So it sinks and then and here's 856 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,300 what you've been missing. You got firmware, that's 857 00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:00,500 probably two years old, the app uploads, new firmware all the 858 00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:02,200 time. So your device is up. 859 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,200 Upgraded all the time but you've got one that's so old that you 860 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,800 got a sample one. Will get you a new one. 861 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:09,900 Then we'll shoot man. Just let me know. 862 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,700 I'll buy it. I like I like the device. 863 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:13,100 I put my money behind it for sure. 864 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:16,200 Okay, cool, man. Well awesome man. 865 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,800 I'm are you going any conferences this year? 866 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,700 Yeah, we just did metabolic Health Summit, which is great. 867 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,400 Kito Khan first time we're going to that next month, you're going 868 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,600 to be there. I'll be there. 869 00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:32,500 All right we'll we'll pass pass each other there and love your A 870 00:43:32,508 --> 00:43:34,300 Bricks, by the way, I freaking love. 871 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,500 Absolutely. What's your favorite flavor? 872 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,900 The chocolate. The chocolate one, but it's a 873 00:43:39,908 --> 00:43:42,800 little problematic in that I snack. 874 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,500 I mean I really like this so I've got to make sure I'm 875 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:50,000 really, really I'm disciplined. Yeah a lot of like a lot of 876 00:43:50,008 --> 00:43:52,500 people love they'll come up into pieces then just kind of snack 877 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,400 on my just do a whole brick at a time so I can't really do. 878 00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,200 I've been doing like to add a here lately but I don't really 879 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,300 do more than one so it's much easier to kind of moderate. 880 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,000 At that cuz I'm not just snack it out there. 881 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,300 Yeah, I do about half. Okay. 882 00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,300 And I'll do a half over the course of an hour just kind of 883 00:44:07,308 --> 00:44:10,800 snack not, but it, that is to me is like perfect and it keeps my 884 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,400 kiss hard to find fat, you know? I mean, yeah, it really, really, 885 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,500 really is hard to find fat as much when you're in it. 886 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,400 When you're in it to win it like you and I are like, you think 887 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600 about it? Like I'm always on a search for 888 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,700 fat, you know. Like I used to be in a search 889 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:28,700 for low fat, which is stupid. But it did was, you know, so 890 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,900 that that would be the one that I typically have Quality Fence. 891 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,300 I'm there. The out there but it's kind of 892 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,300 hard to like have that convenience fact. 893 00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,100 I mean like like beef suet for instance is great but most 894 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,200 people don't have just pocketfuls of beef suet hanging 895 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,700 out, you know? No. 896 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,200 No, no. You're totally right. 897 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,000 So yeah I totally agree. Awesome, man, awesome. 898 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,500 What's always, pleasure? Chatting with you, brother. 899 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,000 I'm excited to see it. Key dokkan. 900 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,100 I'm excited to get this new meter and give it a whirl. 901 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,800 And I'm going to be doing a ton of experimentation for my next 902 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,300 prep in a few months. Well, depending on when I start 903 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,200 my prayer, but I'm going to be documenting all of this. 904 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,900 And I'll use the Bisons M like throughout the entire entirety 905 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,800 of it. So I'm curious to gather that 906 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,100 data and kind of see what it's showing. 907 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:11,400 All right, cool, cool. In any your listeners, by the 908 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,500 way they they do the discount. These set up a couple years ago. 909 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,000 So is Quito Savage 20, if they want to get 20 bucks off method, 910 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,700 even know how to code. So awesome. 911 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,800 There you go. Kito Savage, 20, awesome 912 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,000 brother. Will definitely keep in touch 913 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,900 me. If there's ever anything I can 914 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,400 do for you, just let me know. All right, cool? 915 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,100 See you man. All right, take care.