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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes kilo Savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest and
good friend, Colt Milton on the 

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line. 
We had coat on a couple months 

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ago, several months ago, now 
when he was doing his crazy 

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competition season, he didn't 
multiple multiple shows lined 

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out and he had completed all of 
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He like busted his foot total 
chaos but he got through all 

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those competitions. 
So we kind of covered how those 

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shows went down with the last 
show. 

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He did a non-tested show and 
started experimenting with sweet

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potatoes as a peak week loading 
protocol. 

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So I I want to kind of pick his 
brain and see how his body 

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responded to that. 
So we dive into that quite a 

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bit. 
We talked about other 

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bodybuilding Endeavors hit, we 
talked about his training split.

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We talked about his running 
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training for a marathon here. 
So we talked about that, we 

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talked about business, we talked
about all kinds of things, 

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Colts, a great guy, I always 
enjoy chatting with him. 

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It's always cool to see what 
he's doing. 

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He's also very much so into 
experimenting with his body 

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figuring out what works, what 
doesn't work and just learning 

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as he goes. 
So always fun, bouncing ideas 

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off of them. 
So without further Ado, sit 

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back, relax and do a 
conversation with Colt Milton. 

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And we are live cult. 
How are you brother? 

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I'm doing amazing brother. 
I'm talking to you. 

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How the heck do you think I'm 
doing? 

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I'm glad to hear it, man. 
I'm glad to hear. 

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Do you remember? 
Like, I had you on not too too 

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long ago, but I don't even 
remember when that was, was it 

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right after your last 
competition? 

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Yeah, I think it was right after
my 10th or 11th show cuz I did 

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four of them. 
All right. 

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In a row. 
I'm a carnivore diet and it was 

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about halfway through what Month
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Okay, okay. 
So it's been a few months since 

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we've chatted man. 
Oh wow. 

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Sorry been several months since 
we've chatted. 

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So what all's? 
So people should first of all 

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listen to those podcast kind of 
get some back story on. 

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You you doing the ketogenic 
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competition prep. 
But since that competition, that

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was your last competition of the
season, right? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
The the last show that I did was

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that was that was number 12 
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And so that was a couple weeks 
later, I did a actually your 

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client Dakota. 
Mmm. 

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So he and I did the same show 
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the NPC Northwest Natural 
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So that was here in the state of
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following day was the same show 
but untested, which I went ahead

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and did just for the fun of it 
and Filled out on sweet potatoes

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too. 
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that, I think you'd get a kick 
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But yeah. 
Now definitely gained a lot of 

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size and a lot of water weight, 
but it's NPC, and the guys are 

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bigger and they are all in gear.
And so I was like, man, for me 

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to even have a chance to even 
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guys. 
I'm going to need to get is 

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absolute big as possible and you
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shows that season, right? 
That was like, just kind of like

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an experiment with that last 
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Yeah, yeah loci. 
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ate carbs in, About nine months.
Gotcha, okay. 

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So talk to me about that, man. 
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response had your body respond 
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Kind of refeed going into that 
approach, right? 

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Right, so man's man's plans, in 
God's plans are always 

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different, right? 
So like my attitude going into 

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these shows is oh yeah no we're 
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Robert speaking strategy. 
Then we're going to do one with 

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my own peeking strategy that I 
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good and then we're going to try
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which is going to be all And 
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and downs. 
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then the last couple shows was 
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modifications on that. 
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competitions man. 
So like and it was getting close

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to the month of December. 
So it's a hard time to make a 

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living as a fitness entrepreneur
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that's what we do is full time 
online coaching. 

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Mmm. 
And so, like we are reaching out

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to sponsors last minute and 
God's got sponsored by Celtic 

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Sea salt. 
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met Dakota and and we were and 
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with carbs go compared to 
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strategy, it's a lot higher 
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back and forth with me on that 
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that was just a total 
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and just have a bowl of sweet 
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Yeah, so I had so on the, so the
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by gospel the way that you teach
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right? 
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I've ever been in my in my life.
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for stirred the most conditioned
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was the Northwest. 
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this, too, by the way, this is 
all documented on my YouTube 

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channel. 
Skull, Bells TV, SK U LL, b e, 

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LL Z. 
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first show when I when I did a 
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percent for fat. 
So it's definitely harder on the

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digestive system, it you 
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go to bed and you wake up 
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me to get really hard and dry 
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following day, which is, which 
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you want. 
Right? 

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Because that's that's 
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I wasn't as as lean and 
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you describe in your book on the
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But I was able to fill it, but I
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bigger had to chop some more 
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The probably some more water 
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glycogen that was all playing a 
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still in ketosis. 
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two? 
Oh and energy is always. 

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It's it's it feels more like a 
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you're using gluconeogenesis, 
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So a high-protein refeed, you 
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not completely knocked out of 
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o'clock the next day. 
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usually around that time when 
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euphoric and like, is Sky High 
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So I like it right now, at this 
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280 grams of Protein and 320 
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right now. 
That's just, I find more stable 

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energy throughout throughout the
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more consistent energy levels. 
That's a lot of calories mean. 

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I mean how I count as isn't, so 
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anymore because I just got 
basically my butt kicked by Bart

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K on his Channel about about 
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And and he just told me 
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is true. 
I'm not No calories, don't make 

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sense. 
Like okay. 

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So apparently I'm eating for 
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right now. 
Yeah, I weighed 195 pounds in 

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six foot one. 
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200 calories a day right now, 
the only way I can get away with

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that is because I'm in ketosis. 
If I do that on a high carb 

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diet, I for sure, would get fat.
I've never ever been able to 

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maintain a reasonable. 
I've never been able to, I'm 

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probably like 10 pounds away 
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And I can't do that. 
If I have that amount of carbs 

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in my diet, no way. 
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I'm the same way and it's crazy 
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Because like, you say that to 
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Fits your Macros gonna like, 
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you know, but it's like, look 
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Way and it does not assume. 
Yeah, I can consume, you know, I

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so caloric intakes from a 
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a ketogenic based approach, and 
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keto, you know. 
No question. 

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That's it doesn't mean you can't
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You certainly can, but when 
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experience, I'd look like dog 
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If I'm eating that many calories
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Yeah, I'm the exact same way. 
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bring that up because on the 
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November 4th, that one I wanted 
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it's because it was natural, it 
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Right? 
So my card, my best chance of 

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winning is going to be lean, 
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because the judges, it's still 
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They they want to see size and 
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conditioning even though they 
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ones necessarily writer. 
They are the other ones wrong or

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anything. 
It's just kind of what the judge

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is typically look for, but so 
that was kind of my bad going 

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into that show. 
I should have, I should have 

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thought better ahead and, and 
focus more on mass, but on the 

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fifth, that's when I filled up 
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man. 
My gut was a wreck the next day,

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it was It was about 8 or 9 
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track after after that, many of 
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trying to trying to fit trying 
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yeah. 
So I gained so, I gained a 

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couple pounds, then I got fifth 
place in classic physique, which

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was kind of like, my I didn't, I
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I was doing backflips when I got
that, man. 

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I was so happy. 
Yeah, no, for sure, man. 

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Did you so you put on some water
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much? 
No. 

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REI decrease in vascularity for 

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sure. 
Like I was I'll softer but it 

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was at that point. 
I was just doing everything I 

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can possibly think of the place.
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Huh. 
It's interesting, man. 

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Because like, a lot of people, a
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by, you know, you should try to 
experiment with carbs now that 

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you've been keto as long as you 
have the kind of compare the two

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and it's like, I don't think 
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would definitely look a little 
thicker but I don't think that 

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my best Clarity would be 
improved. 

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I don't think any of those like 
tangible benefits would exist. 

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And honestly, I've got photos 
from when I was using carbs 

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during my peeking strategy, 
before I ever went Quito and 

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I've got way more vascularity 
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Mmm. 
So yeah. 

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And and you and I both have a 
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Let's just be honest. 
Both of us have any history of 

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eating disorders that there's 
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And so like for you and me kind 
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in the first place. 
And if And if we can, if we can 

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do it without him then why not 
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So yeah, right now I'm not 
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quite a while and I don't think 
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talking at metronome but I think
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I feel like I've gained enough 
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foundation in my own life or 
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having them. 
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My performance is hindered. 
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for having them. 
I feel like I'm better off for 

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not having them. 
Yeah, 100%. 

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And I'm like, I don't have the 
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because because I do it because 
they're doing great with them, 

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you know. 
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Yeah. 
How do you but it's not 

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everybody. 
It's not me. 

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It's certainly not me and it's 
certainly not you. 

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Yeah. 
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There's there's more than one 
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goes. 
I don't ever want to villainize 

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carbs like I don't ever want to 
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my frustration is that when 
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say, look, you'll never reach 
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have carbs like that. 
I don't buy that at all. 

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So, and we had the podcast with 
a bark. 

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A go Man, I was scared out of my
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because I was I have to admit I 
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content before. 
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Jonathan Griffiths, the 
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UK. 
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Those those two are really tight
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create an introduction for me 
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And yeah, I was introduced 
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As this is called Milton the 
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that you can build muscle and 
lose fat at the same time. 

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Sure, he knows all the science 
to be able to back that up. 

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Otherwise you wouldn't be on 
this show. 

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All right. 
Cool, welcome. 

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This is gonna be interesting and
I was like, holy crap, I did 

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not, I did not know. 
I was walking into this, this 

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stuff. 
It was pretty rapid fire in and 

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I was just right off the bat 
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Okay, so I'm gonna be saying my 
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clients experience a lot and, 
and, and and these results a lot

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in those results, a lot, but to 
be able to cite everything. 

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On a scientific level the way 
that your listeners are used to 

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understanding it. 
That's that's, that's going to 

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be tough for me to articulate, 
but I'll try. 

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Yeah, we'll see. 
So he was grilling you pretty 

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good then, huh? 
Yeah, but he, but he was, he was

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super nice about it, though. 
I mean, like, he could have, you

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know, his, his brain in the way 
that he understands science. 

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Is so far ahead of, you know, 
where I'm at, because I'm an 

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athlete and a coach and more of 
a mentor, right? 

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That's more my angle on on 
coaching. 

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And so, that's kind of why I've 
related to your book more than a

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lot than, like, Paul Sally knows
book and a lot of those other 

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more research heavy ones as IQ 
and you. 

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And Shaun Baker, both have an 
ability to take something that's

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very complicated. 
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that someone like, you know, 
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understand, but there's a lot of
validity in that, you know, just

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like experience. 
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are coming from, the scientific 
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anecdotal evidence, but I'm like
it all Oh, it all matters, like 

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it all counts, like, take it all
in and then assimilated and then

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test it and then see what you 
can make sense of. 

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I actually just had Bart on my 
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That one has not yet gone live. 
It will have been by the time of

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this publication but oh, man, 
I'm gonna go listen to that. 

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That that, that would be fun. 
I would love to just sit back 

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and be a fly on the wall and 
they listen to you two guys BS 

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and say, okay what's your take 
on this? 

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What's your take on on calories?
And you know yeah it was a good 

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conversation for sure but he's 
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know, data-driven, you know. 
So Interesting stuff, but he's 

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going to have me on his podcast 
and I'm yeah I'm asking you if 

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he's grilling you because I'm 
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me. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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And I am not like this. 
I'm not like a walking talking 

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Encyclopedia of citations. 
Like I can't pull citations out.

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Like, like a lot of people 
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suit and I think, right? 
You, yeah, I think you did it 

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right, you know, by saying off 
the bed. 

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Hey, look, that's not me. 
I'll tell you what I've 

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experienced. 
I think you can't go wrong with 

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that. 
Yeah, thanks it was. 

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It came from a spot of humility 
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like, hey, let's just be logical
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I'm not, I'm not going to win an
argument if we get into an 

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argument. 
Yeah, no, that's good though, 

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man. 
It's good. 

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But he was too, but sorry, 
answer your question, he was 

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very polite about about that. 
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both just realized that, okay, 
we're two people that are very, 

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very passionate about the same 
thing like the exact same thing.

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We really believe that carnivore
bodybuilding and meat-based 

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bodybuilding is the Bodybuilding
in the future. 

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But how do you describe it? 
The Fountain of Youth? 

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Yeah. 
What did he say about the build 

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muscle lose fat at the same 
time? 

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Was he knocking that? 
It was. 

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He like this? 
Totally doable? 

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Yeah. 
See it's. 

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So it's so his show is a debate,
right? 

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And so like and so I was like 
and so when so when he asked the

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question, I knew that he and I 
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he was curious as to how I was 
going to explain it. 

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Yeah. 
I don't know. 

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No, really, how to explain it. 
I just like, I just know that it

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works, like, I just know that if
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4,000 calories a day, to, to 
those same amount of calories, 

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but have but but but but take 
cards cards completely out of 

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the equation. 
There's a lot that changes 

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hormonal e, that changes the law
of thermodynamics and and the 

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human body is just very very 
complicated. 

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So to be able to explain it in 
in terms that are that simple. 

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Is it stuff? 
So anyway, I guess long story 

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short. 
Yeah, no, we we both we both 

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agree on the same thing but just
have completely different angles

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on on, how we get to that 
conclusion. 

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Yeah, no, for sure. 
And I feel like that's when I 

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started talking about calories 
and that's when he started 

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cutting me off and he was like, 
yeah, I mean, like, the calorie 

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thing is interesting too. 
Because, like, I'm all for 

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tracking calories, like I have 
never kind of just weird. 

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Like it's such a polarizing 
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be. 
I mean calories and My mind is 

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just I mean you can swap that 
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take, you know, use whatever 
word you want to use. 

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It's just overall. 
Yes, I think that's what Sean 

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Stephenson calls. 
It, the model Health show guy. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
He's a super smart guy. 

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And, you know, like the the lane
Norton's of the world, I've had 

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Lain on, I think once or twice 
as well. 

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It's like, I know. 
Yeah. 

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It's like, you know, he's 
obviously very much so in favor 

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of calories and he makes a good 
point in that look calories is 

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simply a unit of measurement. 
He's not suggesting that the 

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calories in a donut are going to
impact you from a health 

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standpoint. 
The same way that a calories in 

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a steak are going to go into. 
It's just like they're both just

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simply units of measurement. 
Just like, you know, 5 pounds of

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dumbbells and 5 pounds of 
olympic plates. 

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They're both 5 pounds are just 
too different, you know, 

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mediums. 
So like when you distill it down

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to that since yeah a calorie is 
a calorie is a calorie but 

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People who don't think that 
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that of, okay, 50 calories of 
donut is the same thing as 50 

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calories of rib eye with how it 
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human body and that's where it 
gets kind of murky. 

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Yeah. 
And then it's like okay, you 

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think that's going to be 
consistent with every single bit

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of activity that you're doing 
the next day? 

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You want to start talking about 
non next exercise activity 

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thermogenesis. 
It's like right now, I'm 

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sitting, I'm sitting down and 
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Back and forth. 
It's just, you know, it's just a

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good ergonomic position. 
But on the last show that I was 

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on, I was like I was standing up
and which burns more calories. 

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I don't know. 
But is that, is that it is, that

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as is that a small thing? 
That's like that really changes 

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a whole lot and of itself. 
No, but if you have 20 things 

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that are all off by five or ten 
calories, quote-unquote 

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calories. 
Then that's going to throw your 

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numbers off to. 
I mean tracking calories in the 

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first place is just It's not, 
it's not. 

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I don't see where it fits in. 
I really don't. 

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And it's like, I kind of made 
this point when I made that 

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video about keto Brooks and how,
like we're changing some of the 

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packaging and everything because
like calories, like any packaged

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food and honestly like rib eyes,
and all that stuff. 

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Like like anything, any food, 
any nutritional label at all, 

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like those estimations for 
calories. 

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You know, macros proteins fats, 
carbs like those are all 

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estimations and they're all 
rounded. 

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Like there's like the whole 
concept of there being four 

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grams or 4 calories per gram of 
carb 4 calories, per gram of 

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protein in nine calories per 
gram of fat. 

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Like those are all rounding 
oftentimes it's 3.76 or 8.42 

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like it's not always those solid
numbers. 

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We just simply default to that 
easily rounded generic, you 

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know, formula and nobody like 
these companies are not putting 

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all of their food product into a
bomb calorimeter to measure the 

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actual caloric value of that. 
Like, that's just not Opening. 

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So to track calories to track, 
macros is good and you're able 

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to use it. 
If you are consistent with the 

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types of foods you're consuming 
and you just let that 

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consistency. 
Basically, average out those 

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differences over time. 
If you're eating something 

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different every single day and 
it's gonna be very hard to get 

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any type of accuracy dialed in 
whatsoever. 

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Yeah, 100% 100%. 
I mean, like even just to your 

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point of changing the foods that
you're eating every day. 

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Day, if you're on a competition 
prep and you want to know 

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exactly what's working for you 
and what's not working for you. 

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You want this to be a healthy 
competition prep and not just 

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your eating nothing but 
cucumbers by the end of it which

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is like what most people do. 
Yeah. 

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But but but if you want, if you 
want to be tracking every single

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thing that you're that, you're 
that you're putting that you're 

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putting into your that you're 
putting into your body and, and 

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tracking every single one of 
these metrics. 

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As soon as you change one food, 
And that could throw everything 

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off. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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And I'm all for having a, you 
know, comprehensive list of 

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foods you consume because I 
think having that variety of, 

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you know, nutrient pools is 
important but like all what 

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revolving around, you know, 
pretty solid base. 

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Like, I had pretty much, you 
know. 

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Yeah. 
I'm going about like four, five,

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six, different foods throughout 
the entirety of a competition 

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prep, which for me is like four 
to six months long. 

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So that's not a whole lot of 
variety in the grand scheme of 

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things. 
Yeah, for you, It's like wet 

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00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:09,000
ground beef eggs keto brick 
venison? 

448
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:14,600
Yeah, maybe some shrimp if I 
need a lot of really lean 

449
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,800
protein, maybe mean, maybe some 
yogurt like a full fat yogurt, 

450
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,000
but that's pretty much like 
that's my ear. 

451
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,400
And then your coffee honestly it
man. 

452
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:25,500
I cut coffee. 
I haven't had coffee in two 

453
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:30,200
weeks now, but how? 
Yeah, most caffeine are you 

454
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,700
consuming right now? 
I'm consuming less than 50 

455
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,000
milligrams a day. 
And that's really neat because 

456
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,800
you used to be like Over 1,000, 
right? 

457
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:40,000
I used to be over 3,000 at 1.30 
okay. 

458
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,300
I was doing the same thing and I
that put me in the hospital with

459
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,300
a stomach ulcer that was this 
time last year. 

460
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,300
Yeah yeah yeah I definitely 
don't recommend 3000 milligrams 

461
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,100
of caffeine. 
I was probably as of late. 

462
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:53,700
I've been consuming two cups of 
coffee and that's been my only 

463
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,500
source of caffeine. 
So what's that probably like 400

464
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,700
mg less than 5? 
I would think. 

465
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:02,200
But yeah, lately, I've just been
having one or two cups of green 

466
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,500
tea in the morning and there's 
like 25 milligrams. 

467
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:08,500
Of caffeine and that. 
So I mean, it's definitely less 

468
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:13,000
than 50 milligrams a day total. 
Wow and honestly I feel great 

469
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,500
man. 
Like I didn't really cut the 

470
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,900
coffee because I thought I had 
an addiction to Coffee. 

471
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,500
I don't think that was the case 
at all, but I started having 

472
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:24,300
some some not acid reflux but I 
would just like wake up and I 

473
00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:27,400
would just burp all the time and
it wasn't like crazy you know, 

474
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,800
like grossberger just like I 
don't know, just a little burps.

475
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,900
I think it was because of the 
acidity in the coffee. 

476
00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:38,400
So I cut out the coffee for like
a week and that didn't notice 

477
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,500
that. 
And then I had a bunch of 

478
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,100
tomatoes, one that had A bunch 
of Caprese salad. 

479
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,700
So tomato, mozzarella, olive oil
and basil. 

480
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,100
And I noticed the same thing. 
I'm like I haven't had coffee 

481
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,700
what's going on and I on the 
acidity of the tomatoes is got 

482
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,700
me good doing the same thing. 
So I think it's the acidity 

483
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,700
that's got me. 
Wow. 

484
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:57,500
That's why I'm actually saying, 
have you noticed, have you 

485
00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:01,100
noticed like an overall sense 
better sense of well-being and 

486
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,800
just like happiness and kind of 
like less stress and anxiety 

487
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
from reducing your caffeine 
intake, man. 

488
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,700
I mean, honestly, I think I was 
drinking. 

489
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,300
So little coffee, the past 
several months, following two 

490
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,800
cups a day that it wouldn't have
made it that profound 

491
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,000
difference. 
I mean, I didn't even get a 

492
00:24:14,008 --> 00:24:15,700
caffeine headache. 
When I cut the coffin, I just 

493
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:18,100
kind of cold turkey. 
So like I had weaned off of it, 

494
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:21,000
pretty low at that point. 
But now had I done that after 

495
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,600
having that stretch of drinking 
3000 milligrams of caffeine a 

496
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,700
day then yeah. 
I'd probably see a pronounced 

497
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:29,900
difference in anxiety and stuff,
but yeah, I don't feel, I mean, 

498
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,500
I'm always stressed with like, 
the business and stuff, but I 

499
00:24:33,508 --> 00:24:37,700
don't really feel like I'm like,
I don't really get the coffee 

500
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,300
Jitters per se. 
Okay. 

501
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:45,700
Because I do so like, if I yeah 
because if I'm I'm on like 150 

502
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:51,600
200 mg Max. 
That's that's that's a 80 mg 

503
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,800
caffeine energy, drink and then 
a scoop of the pre-work That I 

504
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800
sell, which is metabolic 
nutrition. 

505
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,500
So that's about a hundred and 
yeah, so that's okay. 

506
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,100
No, excuse me. 
So I'm probably a bit about two 

507
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:05,400
hundred eighty milligrams of 
caffeine because I know that's 

508
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,400
about 166. 
It's I take a third of a serving

509
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,600
and a full serving is 500 mg, 
which is ridiculous. 

510
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,700
That's a lot of campaign, but I 
think that you're taking in less

511
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,900
than 500 milligrams. 
A day total for some, especially

512
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:20,500
with some of your size. 
I think that's totally 

513
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,700
reasonable. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

514
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,800
And it's all early. 
In the day, first thing first 

515
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,800
thing during the day, and so 
that it's for sure gone out of 

516
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,300
my system long before I go to 
bed. 

517
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,800
Yeah, for sure for sure what's 
life been like for you post 

518
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,900
competition, like how did the 
reverse tag because you're you 

519
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,300
said the last shows in November.
So I mean, you get December 

520
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:44,000
January February, you like two 
and a half, three months post, 

521
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,300
show has the reverse that been 
going. 

522
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000
So I did a reverse diet but I 
was okay. 

523
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,300
So I did the whole competition 
prep on a meat diet on 

524
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,400
meat-based diet, which I think 
is the only reason. 

525
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,200
I survived. 
And that was that. 

526
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,300
I'm here to tell the story. 
Like, I don't recommend, anybody

527
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,700
doing a bodybuilding shows, a 
wonderful experience. 

528
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:03,600
And like you said, like that, 
man, that that like you say in 

529
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,400
your book, like, it'll, it'll 
change you as a person inside 

530
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000
and out and, and who you become 
on the other side of it, how 

531
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,600
well, you know, your body, how, 
you know, your daily rituals, 

532
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,900
just who you are as a person, 
your mental toughness. 

533
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:18,300
That's what you get out of the 
show. 

534
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:21,300
And so that's totally worth it. 
Doing four of them back to back.

535
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,900
I would not recommend anybody do
that and I'm certainly not going

536
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,500
to do that ever again. 
Again yeah it's a Lawman but 

537
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,700
face before we dive in the 
reverse Diamond, let me ask you 

538
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,700
on that note, like was there a 
point at which you were like? 

539
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,200
This is costing me my sanity. 
I am about to go batshit crazy 

540
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,600
in 321, like, was there a point 
where you were like on the the, 

541
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,400
the breaking point? 
That's about how I felt all day 

542
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:51,700
every day, the last four weeks 
before November 4th, and I don't

543
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:55,100
think I would have gotten 
through it without my Bible my 

544
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,300
journal, my dog and a couple 
really good joints whenever I 

545
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:01,300
need one. 
Yeah, and an amazing supportive 

546
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:04,400
wife in some sponsors and and a 
big support group, a bunch of 

547
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,500
clients that were believing in 
me and want and wanted me to 

548
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,500
finish strong on a good note. 
Yeah, that is well, man. 

549
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:13,000
Like that, that is because like,
at that point and like, people 

550
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,600
that haven't done the show, 
probably can't read this but 

551
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600
when at that point, when you 
were that depleted, but you've 

552
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,900
worked so hard. 
It's like every single thing you

553
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:25,300
do in your mind, dictates the 
Body of a person. 

554
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:30,100
You are like, if you, if you 
have half a single rep, you are.

555
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,900
So so subject to just assume 
that you're a terrible person. 

556
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,600
So exactly thing you and I like 
you can't cheat. 

557
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,500
You can't like the best. 
Like, yeah, you and me both know

558
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,200
the one thing that I'll throw us
off and make us really go crazy 

559
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,700
as if we fall off of our diet 
to. 

560
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:44,800
And so that, that holds you 
accountable. 

561
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,800
You like man, every meal has to 
count. 

562
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,100
Every workout has to count. 
You know, every, every, every 

563
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:54,300
hour of sleep has to count. 
Yeah. 

564
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,400
Thing is so regimented in like 
yeah, it's brutal man. 

565
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,400
So like I'm glad that that that 
that that you have crested the 

566
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,800
hill with that with that crazy 
competition season. 

567
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,400
All right. 
Yeah, yeah. 

568
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,700
We just got to a point to where 
I was. 

569
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,500
It was like, it was it was a 
great idea. 

570
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,900
Now, looking back, I'm like, 
okay, we accomplished a lot, 

571
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,700
like we'd learned a lot. 
Got a lot of great content and 

572
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,900
an overall. 
Like it was definitely a win, 

573
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,100
but I certainly made some 
choices that I'm not proud of 

574
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,400
that, that needed to, you know, 
I need to get fixed right away 

575
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,500
in the first one was just not 
not going to church every 

576
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,600
Sunday. 
Not going to Bible study as much

577
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,300
that really, I didn't realize 
how much that created who I was 

578
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,400
as a person and just like how I 
act every day. 

579
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,800
And so, I started swearing a lot
more in just like, you know, not

580
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,700
around that positive, iron, 
sharpens iron Association that. 

581
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,100
I wrote that, I really needed. 
So, getting back into that. 

582
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Actually, you know, you know, 
you'll really get a kick out of 

583
00:28:51,408 --> 00:28:55,100
his after I started going back 
to church and after eyes and I 

584
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,000
had a few months of just a few 
weeks of just like a lot more 

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,100
food and and feeling better 
overall not having the stress of

586
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,700
those others last. 
Couple shows my physique was 

587
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800
better and my for sure, my best 
physique that I've ever picked 

588
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,300
out was exactly one was exactly 
two weeks after the show. 

589
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,000
Yeah there's something to be 
said for that man, like I think 

590
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,400
the the stress endured during 
those last couple weeks, 

591
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,300
oftentimes creates a lessened 
physique So what I'm going to 

592
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,300
try to do going forward is 
basically almost reverse diet 

593
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,900
into the show, if that makes 
sense. 

594
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:36,000
Like, like start bringing 
overall calories back up in the 

595
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,200
weeks, leading to the preps that
I still do my protocol to the T 

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000
like it is. 
But then rather than like I 

597
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,500
basically just make those last 
couple weeks, an overall net 

598
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,600
increase in total calories as 
opposed to cows, getting 

599
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800
continually lower and lower and 
lower and basically just kind of

600
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,300
reversed that into the show 
basically. 

601
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:58,100
Lee. 
I had to be great from a stress 

602
00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:59,600
that I want to see. 
Yeah. 

603
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
That would be like reduction 
stress and then like if you 

604
00:30:02,408 --> 00:30:05,200
start eating more at that point,
it's all you're thinking many 

605
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,900
ways he's aren't anymore and 
then yeah, you you have less 

606
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,700
overall stress your more 
sympathetic or parasympathetic 

607
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:18,000
state that allows you to flush 
more fluid excess, fluid your 

608
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,900
workouts, the better your 
recovery be better, everything's

609
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,700
better. 
Yeah, and you'll look better. 

610
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,400
And then like you're you're you 
just Don't take everything. 

611
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,500
You can see. 
You can hold. 

612
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,100
You can hold your poses better 
like with a smile on your face, 

613
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,100
everything's better. 
So that's all. 

614
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,700
I'm having more fun posing than 
I ever have in my life, man. 

615
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,500
Because I'm not even posing for 
a competition. 

616
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,900
I'm just like, okay, we're just 
maintaining, you know, ten 

617
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,200
pounds above stage weight, which
still looks good. 

618
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,300
At least in my eyes. 
I think, I think it does, and 

619
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,400
for sure. 
Now, I can practice posing how I

620
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,900
want to pose and not beat, not 
being judged with it and having 

621
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:51,100
those stress levels nice and 
low. 

622
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,400
Just like you were saying, but 
now we got the business stress 

623
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,500
and have two different subjects.
Always stress of some sort. 

624
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,500
So what did you do? 
Like with the reverse so to 

625
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,300
speak? 
I mean, did you have a pretty 

626
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,200
clean reverse pretty slow? 
Pretty pretty, you know, 

627
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,900
strategic are you pretty much 
just go and they coming out of 

628
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,100
those, those several sweet 
potatoes for that peaking 

629
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,800
strategy, kind of make it harder
to return to some degree of 

630
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:19,100
strictness? 
Yes, I started experimenting 

631
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,900
with them so I would throw them 
in. 

632
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,900
I would take him out, throw him 
in, I would take him out, but 

633
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:28,400
overall ER, all it was for the 
for the next two months. 

634
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,500
I was, I was, I was not kedo, to
be honest. 

635
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,900
It's I'm sorry, man, don't hate 
me for saying this, but I was 

636
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:36,500
just sick of Quito. 
I really was. 

637
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,600
I was, I was, I was ready for 
some more protein. 

638
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000
I was ready for some lean 
protein and that's actually some

639
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
of the fastest muscle growth 
I've ever seen in my life was 

640
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,600
annexed. 
What was the next couple months?

641
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,100
If you ever heard about the 
anabolic window towards he's not

642
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,300
the anabolic window, what's it 
called? 

643
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,400
The those couple weeks after the
show that like, Jay Cutler, and 

644
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,600
all those guys are saying that 
that's the best time to Build 

645
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,700
muscles. 
Yeah, I don't know what the Bro 

646
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,800
term for it is. 
I've drawn a blank anabolic 

647
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800
rebound, I think. 
Yeah, it sounds right. 

648
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Okay. 
So yeah, I so I think maybe it 

649
00:32:03,808 --> 00:32:07,900
was the anabolic rebound, but 
my, but my protein I just went, 

650
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,900
I just kind of went nuts on it 
and let it go through the roof. 

651
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,600
I was like, whatever I can over 
consume protein, it's not going 

652
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,200
to get stored as fat, right? 
Yeah. 

653
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000
So, that was kind of the goal 
kept the fat levels low for the 

654
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,400
next couple months suffer, a lot
of inflammation but whatever, 

655
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,100
it's like, if you're building 
muscle, you're definitely going 

656
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,200
to have information, there's no 
way. 

657
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,800
Round that whatever. 
So that took me all the way 

658
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,400
through Christmas Christmas. 
That was a Gong Show. 

659
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,200
I'm just gonna be honest, that 
was a week of eating, a lot of 

660
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,700
food that my that was that was, 
that was certainly not food that

661
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,100
agreed with my body. 
Yeah, took me about two months 

662
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,000
of, not eating sugar. 
Again, excuse me, two or three 

663
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,900
weeks of not eating sugar, again
to feel like myself and feel 

664
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,400
great eating nothing, but meat 
every day and finding out 

665
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,900
exactly where my maintenance 
level. 

666
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,100
Of protein and fat should be not
adding any more carbs. 

667
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,100
I just feel better without 
carbs, mental Clarity, 

668
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,600
everything is just, I just 
really would rather not consume 

669
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,600
them, not not focused on bulking
this year. 

670
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,000
I'm training for a marathon 
right now. 

671
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,100
And so Mike, you know what, this
next year, I'm just going to 

672
00:33:11,108 --> 00:33:16,300
maintain my body weight between 
about 195 to 205 pounds, 

673
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,200
probably like around around that
ballpark and just focus on the 

674
00:33:20,208 --> 00:33:22,800
muscles that are that, that I, 
that are really really 

675
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,200
important, which for me is side 
though. 

676
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,200
Else and vastus lateralis, not 
going to train calves. 

677
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,800
There's no point not going to 
train ABS. 

678
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,300
There's no point, okay? 
Estrangement down and you're 

679
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,300
going to get those chicken legs.
Now, I'm not getting chicken 

680
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:36,900
legs, man. 
I'm hitting the, I'm doing Blood

681
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,600
Flow, Restriction. 
I got all kinds of tricks up my 

682
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,400
sleeve for your grass. 
You can do bfr for cows. 

683
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,700
No, not for calves because I'm 
just again, I'll just be 

684
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,200
flat-out. 
Honest, I'm just, I don't really

685
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,700
train calves. 
I'm just genetically gifted 

686
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,000
there, so I don't, yeah, they 
don't need to be bigger. 

687
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200
My quads need to be bigger, not 
my calves. 

688
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Yeah, man. 
Cavs have been my freaking like 

689
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Achilles heel for forever. 
I've always had scrawny little 

690
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,200
calves. 
I've been training him, I 

691
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,600
trained every day. 
There's only way I'm going to go

692
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,000
with Phantom every single thing.
You're one of those guys. 

693
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:09,199
Yeah, yeah, it's brutal. 
Hey but you of all people should

694
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,199
not be playing a violin about 
your genetics man. 

695
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,699
You got you got dealt a really 
good hand you guys like I did 

696
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,400
not man, like I did not at all 
genetically, you know, my 

697
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,100
parents are super small, they 
don't have like, they're not 

698
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,000
predisposed to build muscle at 
all. 

699
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,199
And I I was super Smiles, £115 
man. 

700
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,300
Like, I've had to fight for 
every freaking ounce of lean 

701
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,300
tissue I put on my frame, I 
didn't not have genetics from a 

702
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,900
science standpoint. 
I probably have pretty good 

703
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,100
genetics from like an overall 
leanness standpoint. 

704
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,400
Like I'm right now like 16, 17 
percent body fat and my 16 17 

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,900
percent body fat looks like most
people's 10 11 12. 

706
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,400
I think, I don't know why, but 
that seems to be the case. 

707
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,600
Wow, But I don't know, like 
there's always given take like, 

708
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,900
like people that have a really 
hard time getting lean, they can

709
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,900
put on muscle, like it's 
nobody's business. 

710
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,700
You got some people that are 
really gifted at getting lean 

711
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,200
but they can't put on muscle 
save their life, you know, so 

712
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800
there's always a give and take 
right. 

713
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,100
But do you ever trained traps 
like your traps are huge? 

714
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,800
No, I mean, not really man. 
Like I'll just some time to do 

715
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,900
some shrugs. 
I made you some upright rows on 

716
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:22,600
occasion, but I honestly do not 
allocate much training time for 

717
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,500
for traps at all. 
Yeah, I don't either. 

718
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,400
I was just curious because I 
because I don't touch it. 

719
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Don't I don't touch a dumbbell 
for shrugs or anything. 

720
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,400
Like it's just all you do your 
deadlifts and upright rows and 

721
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,200
overhead presses and you can 
kind of check that box and it 

722
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,100
just makes you slouched if you 
over Developing. 

723
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,300
Yeah. 
Are you doing like a body parts 

724
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:42,100
but right now. 
Are you doing? 

725
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,400
Well, what's your foot looking 
like? 

726
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,900
Let's see shoulder. 
Okay? 

727
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:51,900
So the rule is shoulders and 
specifically side deltoids and 

728
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:56,000
rear end and rear deltoids for 
me and vastus lateralis my 

729
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,800
quads, those muscle groups if 
they can move their we get 

730
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,800
there, getting worked everything
else kind of Falls in in order 

731
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,400
of importance and so for me 
that's arms arms. 

732
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:15,600
Weak point for me back is is is 
good, it could be better, 

733
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,200
everything could be better. 
Obviously, glutes and 

734
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,400
hamstrings, not too concerned 
about them and so those muscles 

735
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,100
are all less frequent and yeah 
most of my to answer your 

736
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:29,000
question no it's not as strict 
split. 

737
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,300
Yeah it's very it's very 
intuitive right now and so I'm 

738
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:37,000
just writing down everything 
that I do and then next next 

739
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,900
time that I do like Oh next time
to I do shoulder press. 

740
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,300
OK, I know exactly what I was 
doing on shoulder press. 

741
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:46,400
When's the next time I'm going 
to do shoulder press, I don't 

742
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,200
know when my when my arms when I
can when I can do it without my 

743
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:54,600
rotator cuff hurting, that's the
next time that I'm going to do 

744
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:56,300
dumbbell shoulder, press, you 
know. 

745
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,800
Yeah, yeah. 
No that makes no sense man. 

746
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:01,100
I've been kind of fun right now.
Might not all my clients is the 

747
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,700
complete opposite there, do it. 
They're doing push-pull legs. 

748
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,400
Everything exactly like this 
because I can't teach the way 

749
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,100
that I train, unless I'm You 
like 24/7, so everybody that 

750
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:14,200
we're doing online plans with. 
No, that's very systematic, 

751
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:16,100
that's different. 
I'm the lab rat right now. 

752
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,700
Yeah. 
Well there's there's some beauty

753
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,700
to be had and just training 
intuitively to I like that for 

754
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:22,500
sure. 
Most of the training is 

755
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,300
intuitive. 
I've been doing a full body 

756
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:26,700
split. 
I'm giving that an honest 

757
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:28,700
effort, I've been in there for 
like shoot, I don't know 

758
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:33,800
probably four or five months now
and I do like that, but I don't 

759
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200
know if I'm gonna keep that up. 
When I start my prep, I'm going 

760
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,000
to go back to more of a body. 
Part split when I start my prep.

761
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,600
Mmm, I haven't decided yet. 
How's your foot doing? 

762
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Is it totally healed up, thanks 
for asking. 

763
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:50,700
It's yeah, man. 
I was, I don't know if I don't 

764
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:51,900
know if I told you. 
I'm kind of, I'm kind of a 

765
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:53,700
goofball. 
I'm kind of a nerd when I do 

766
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,600
count. 
When I do count rap, sometimes, 

767
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,900
sometimes I do and sometimes I 
don't. 

768
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,000
But when I do count reps, I, I 
think about my favorite Bible 

769
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
verse that has the same number 
of words per reps. 

770
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,800
You did to me this one last 
podcast. 

771
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Yeah, member. 
Okay. 

772
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,700
Okay. 
Yeah. 

773
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:12,600
So so so my latest one has been 
When I see, we are healed by his

774
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,500
wounds, Isaiah 53:5. 
So, so that's nine reps. 

775
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,600
And yeah, so a lot of my leg 
training has been has been 

776
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,100
around that rep range because I 
haven't trained around that rep 

777
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,500
range before had always gone 
either really heavy or really 

778
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,400
High Reps. 
And so, so that's been something

779
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000
new and something different. 
And it's just challenging in a 

780
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,600
different way, because they have
really worked in that in that 

781
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,300
rep range before, but I'm still 
going with the What's his name? 

782
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,100
Greg just dragged. 
You said, I have to be Pro. 

783
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:43,400
He's big on time under tension. 
So yeah and taking and so is 

784
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,300
Bart K but he's also big on on 
6th, a 629 reps. 

785
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,500
Yes, I've been putting the two 
together and and doing and and 

786
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,200
slow and making my rep slower so
that their six reps. 

787
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:01,200
So I'm like five or six reps to 
failure or nine reps to failure 

788
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,900
on the high end and it's always 
within 30 to 45 seconds. 

789
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,300
So about five seconds. 
Per rep now. 

790
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:11,100
So yes. 
And so anyway we are healed by 

791
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,100
his wounds, Isaiah 53, 53, 5 
that's nine reps. 

792
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,900
And yeah I've been it's been II 
believe the mind body and soul 

793
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:24,900
are very very all interconnected
and I think this probably the 

794
00:39:24,908 --> 00:39:26,300
best thing I've been doing for 
my foot. 

795
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,600
No I love it. 
Yeah going to go to the go to 

796
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,300
the doctor of course. 
You know of course I did all 

797
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:36,000
that and everything to and it's 
it's back to 100% other than the

798
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,300
Tissue around my toes, are just 
very sensitive. 

799
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,800
So if I go for so if I go for a 
super long run like for an hour 

800
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,400
and a half then I'll be feeling 
it and probably shouldn't run 

801
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000
the next day. 
You're like toenails growing 

802
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,500
back. 
All funky because you broke your

803
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,200
foot now. 
Let me take my sock off and look

804
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,100
at it right there. 
It's like when I dropped a plate

805
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:59,700
on my tongue, crooked, because 
it was hanging by a thread, you 

806
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:01,800
remember, like, I didn't know if
I would have to amputate my leg 

807
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,500
or what? 
But it was. 

808
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,400
But, but yeah, no, it's just It 
looks the same as the toe on my 

809
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,100
other foot. 
It's just a little crooked. 

810
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,200
You know what I can live with 
that, man. 

811
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Oh man, I'm glad it's sealed up.
Has the has the running going 

812
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,500
man? 
What was the motivation to 

813
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:18,400
start? 
Running like that? 

814
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Where you running before or is 
this totally new? 

815
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,700
Yeah, I've always I've always 
loved running just be and I'm 

816
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:27,900
not built for it. 
I just enjoy it, you know, it's 

817
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,600
kind of like that bodybuilder 
that's not genetically gifted 

818
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:34,300
like we all know like, you know,
I got a guy that's like that. 

819
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,800
That's like maybe not The most 
genetically gifted guy, but he 

820
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
just loves the sport and he just
goes all the shows, and he does 

821
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600
really well anyway, and he just 
looks good even though he's not 

822
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,600
winning all the first-place 
trophies, right? 

823
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,700
Yeah, that's that's me as a 
runner like I'm not if I meet me

824
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,600
crossing the finish line is 
going to be that is going to be 

825
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,400
the the goal is as good as going
to be the win regardless of what

826
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,700
the of what the time is and in 
Zion and I might my Australian 

827
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:05,300
shepherd and I are going to do 
it together so she never done a 

828
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:07,400
scam before. 
Was that have you ever done a 

829
00:41:07,408 --> 00:41:09,600
marathon before? 
No no this will be. 

830
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,200
This will be. 
This will be the first one and 

831
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,300
when is it it's going to be 
around July or August. 

832
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,100
We're trying to find exactly 
what show we're going to do a 

833
00:41:18,107 --> 00:41:19,500
nice man. 
The one I run. 

834
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,700
One marathon. 
And that was pretty brutal. 

835
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,100
You ran a marathon. 
I didn't know that. 

836
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,700
Oh, you didn't, you didn't know 
about this. 

837
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,000
So, is it in your book? 
No. 

838
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,300
So, you know, David Goggins, I'm
sure right? 

839
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,900
Yeah, of course. 
So I the first time I heard 

840
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:37,600
David Goggins is on Rogan's. 
Cast and I listened to it. 

841
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,100
My buddy and I'm like, this guy 
is badass. 

842
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,100
I'm gonna do that. 
He did 100 mile race. 

843
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:44,700
Yeah. 
And he did it with zero 

844
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,400
training, I can do that. 
So I signed up for a marathon 

845
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
the next day with zero training,
I had literally not run in seven

846
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,100
years. 
I signed up for a marathon with 

847
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,600
zero training. 
I literally didn't even have a 

848
00:41:54,607 --> 00:41:57,100
pair of shoes so I bought a pair
of shoes. 

849
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,200
Got them in the mail. 
Wow them on ran like twice in 

850
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,900
those pair of shoes to break 
them in and then I ran a 

851
00:42:03,908 --> 00:42:06,000
marathon and I finished the 
marathon. 

852
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,700
But yeah, it was, it was rough 
because my feet were just 

853
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,400
freaking broken, man. 
Like they, they they were not 

854
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,100
ready like, like energy-wise. 
I felt totally fun like I never 

855
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,900
bonked and have any issues with 
that. 

856
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,000
I obviously didn't carb up or 
anything, I just kept it off. 

857
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Keto, I fasted the whole way 
through but my oh Kate were not 

858
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,300
conditioned like the pounding of
the pavement over and over my 

859
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,800
feet were not ready for that. 
What what? 

860
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,100
Okay, okay, this this I need 
this. 

861
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,300
I need to know. 
Is it okay if I ask you 

862
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,600
questions and this is your show?
But yeah I don't care. 

863
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,000
Go for it. 
It okay. 

864
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Okay, cool. 
So because we just had Carly 

865
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,300
Carly kovacic on her. 
So she's actually one of our 

866
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,300
clients and she's a she's a 
marathon trainer. 

867
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,100
I'm gonna publish this in like a
day or two, but it was the shoes

868
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,500
on the other foot. 
No pun intended. 

869
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,700
With me asking her questions 
because she's she's one of our 

870
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,500
body builders she did those. 
Those last couple shows with me 

871
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,300
actually November 4th and 5th 
instant. 

872
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,400
So she's getting ready for the 
emerald cup which is the biggest

873
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,100
NPC show in. 
Vic Northwest. 

874
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Yeah, so she's a few weeks out 
from that one, but she's run 

875
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600
multiple marathons. 
She ran the Boston Marathon and 

876
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:16,300
yeah. 
And so it was basically, 

877
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:22,200
basically, it was me asking her 
for advice on running marathons 

878
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,100
so I got in my, in my journal, 
you know, everything that she 

879
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:27,500
was teaching me how to do. 
But, but wow, yeah, no, I am 

880
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:31,000
very inspired after hearing 
about your marathon training, or

881
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,100
lack thereof, but yeah, that 
makes more encouraged about how 

882
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,600
I'm gonna do it. 
Hello laughter. 

883
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,000
I mean I I do like running. 
I just have a really bad. 

884
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,100
I knew you were a runner, which 
is funny because I'm not a rude 

885
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,700
first thing every morning from a
bodybuilding perspective. 

886
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,000
That's not really what most 
coaches would recommend. 

887
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,400
Yeah, I am not a runner, I don't
identify as a runner, I'm 

888
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,800
flat-footed, I'm over pronated, 
I'm not great at running. 

889
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
However, I like the mental 
fortitude that comes as a result

890
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,400
of running long distances. 
Yes, yes. 

891
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Wonderful. 
I like running. 

892
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,300
And I've done like I did that 
four by four. 48 challenge. 

893
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:10,700
So basically like, you know, 50 
mile, we ran an extra two miles 

894
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:14,700
of 50 miles and 2 days that in 
like every four hours, so that 

895
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,900
was pretty cool. 
So I've done things like that. 

896
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:21,200
I've done the 50 mile March but 
like for me my Achilles heel is 

897
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,900
just conditioning, my feet to 
being just beaten and beaten and

898
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,800
beaten. 
If you got that dialed in, then 

899
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,400
you'll be way better off. 
Yeah, so my strategy has been to

900
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,100
so Zion and I for the same 
reason. 

901
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200
As you know, my Australian 
Shepherd. 

902
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,300
My first thing, we do every 
single morning, and if I don't 

903
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:42,300
do this, she will have an 
anxiety attack. 

904
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,400
If you, if your Australian 
Shepherd owner, like, you know, 

905
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,400
exactly what I'm talking about. 
So she's like, okay, we're going

906
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,300
for a run, I'm like, yeah, okay,
we're going for a run. 

907
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,500
So that's how we start 
everything every single day and 

908
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,000
for the same reason is you is, 
it's just like, it's just like a

909
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
cup of coffee. 
It's just like how you wake up. 

910
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,700
It's and it's different than the
treadmill. 

911
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:04,900
It's different than than man 
getting getting outside and 

912
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,100
getting some cold air in your 
lungs. 

913
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Thing in the morning is just 
that was my fitness tip of the 

914
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
day on Instagram. 
Actually. 

915
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,600
I was just like, everybody 
should be doing this. 

916
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,700
Everybody should be getting some
shit. 

917
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,000
Should be getting some cold 
exposure, getting outside, 

918
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,900
getting a fresh of air before 
you have a cup of coffee. 

919
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,900
And then if you still need a cup
of coffee, great, then have a 

920
00:45:20,908 --> 00:45:23,900
cup of coffee but you probably 
won't need a cup of coffee after

921
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,800
you, get your after you get your
mind into that focused State. 

922
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,300
First thing in the morning, you 
got to get your mind right 

923
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:30,600
first? 
Yeah, for sure. 

924
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,300
And there's just something to be
said about, like, the 

925
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:35,200
consistency that goes with and 
daily running practice. 

926
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,300
Like, I, when I did that three, 
Hundred sixty five days of 

927
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,200
running a mile a day, a mile a 
day. 

928
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,400
I mean a mile is not that long 
but to do so every single day 

929
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,400
without fail, like that's where 
it becomes difficult. 

930
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,200
And I feel like anything that 
you can chip away at every 

931
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,200
single day, like I appreciate 
and admire that, right? 

932
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:53,600
Oh, thanks. 
Yeah. 

933
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,400
And so that, so that's the first
thing every single morning, but 

934
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,200
it's not a long run, it's Oh, 
this morning, I just didn't want

935
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,300
to come back soon. 
So I came. 

936
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,900
So so we were gone for about a 
half hour owning owning two 

937
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,600
businesses. 
It's, we have a lot to do. 

938
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,100
We're kind of like you in that 
regard to where, like we're 

939
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,000
definitely working the 12-hour 
days right now. 

940
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,900
Hmm. 
But it doesn't all need it 

941
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,500
doesn't all need to be done at 
specific times. 

942
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,600
We've been, you know, we're 
pretty flexible with our 

943
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,200
clients. 
We have a very Hands-On approach

944
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,900
about like when our meetings are
and everything, but ya know 

945
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,500
there's days, Kind of like this 
used to be a training there. 

946
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,700
This needs to be a day, where, 
you know, the I'm feeling really

947
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:36,700
creative great. 
This is a Content day. 

948
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:39,500
Hopefully, we have a lot of 
workout plans that are do, okay?

949
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,200
This is focused on all of our 
clients day and just kind of do 

950
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,300
that. 
But yeah, so that's kind of so 

951
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,300
that so that's like 10, 10 
minutes to a half hour, first 

952
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,500
thing every single morning and 
that is, that's doable. 

953
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,300
Like, it doesn't matter how my 
feet are feeling like I can 

954
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:58,900
tough something out for it'll 
just be a shorter run, if I'm 

955
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,700
not really feeling it, It. 
Yeah, totally man then and then 

956
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:03,200
that just means that 
intuitively. 

957
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,400
I'm going to have to figure out 
that, oh, I should probably do 

958
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,400
extra cardio after my workout 
from a conditioning standpoint, 

959
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,700
to make sure I'm in, maintaining
the physique that I have right 

960
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:14,700
now, and I definitely think it's
like, if like I'm probably going

961
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,500
to incorporate a lot more 
running after my competition, 

962
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,800
because I'll be so lean at that 
point. 

963
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,200
I'll probably just wind up, 
swapping out, all my StairMaster

964
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,200
for runs, because, yeah, it's 
gonna be a lot more fun because 

965
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,200
I like doing technical Trail 
runs, but I'll do that after my 

966
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,500
competition. 
To make maintaining that lean 

967
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:36,400
physique relatively easier with 
the added benefit of running 

968
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,100
running, and then it's and that 
does something to you mentally 

969
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,000
to. 
It's like you're not on the 

970
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,700
stairs when you're on the stair.
Mel, let's be honest you're 

971
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:45,900
there because you're burning 
fat. 

972
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,500
Like, nobody does this terrible 
because it's a fun activity, 

973
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:49,500
right? 
Yeah. 

974
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:54,300
But, but going for a run, 
exactly, that's something that's

975
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,500
enjoyable. 
And it's, and it, and it, and 

976
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,600
it's, and it's up. 
It's something that it's 

977
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,100
Something that's more 
Performance Based that has like 

978
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:04,800
an actual go. 
Like, if you're training for a 

979
00:48:04,808 --> 00:48:07,100
marathon, if you're training 
for, you know, like a 5k or 

980
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:12,400
something and and then coming 
out of the coming out of a 

981
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,900
bodybuilding competition, it 
just gives you something to look

982
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:17,400
forward to in something to train
to and a purpose for everything 

983
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,800
that you're eating. 
Yeah, if you're, if you're 

984
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,300
eating, if you're eating, you 
know, to do to do a reverse diet

985
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:27,600
that is so strict to where it's 
like, okay, you're doing a half 

986
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,800
hour on the stair stair Mill. 
Now you're doing. 

987
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,800
Nine minutes on the stair. 
Now, you're doing 28 minutes on 

988
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,700
the stair Mill and you're going 
to play that game for the next 

989
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,800
six months. 
It's like, how can anybody stick

990
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,800
to that one long term? 
And it's like, no wonder people 

991
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,200
get into in the depressions 
after bodybuilding shows just 

992
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,400
like Olympic athletes. 
Do? 

993
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Yeah but if you have but if but 
if you have a goal that you're 

994
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,100
working towards then there's 
purpose and every single meal 

995
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:53,400
again there's purpose in your 
training again and it's just not

996
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,700
healthy to do nothing but 
bodybuilding shows, you know so 

997
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,300
it's almost like having some 
having something different can 

998
00:48:58,300 --> 00:48:59,800
be super therapeutic. 
So yeah. 

999
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,700
Yeah, I love my work. 
I love that perspective. 

1000
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,500
On that note, though. 
I am going to go Ultra, I'm 

1001
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,800
noxious Lee slow on my reverse 
diet nutritionally speaking. 

1002
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800
So I've had a few clients that 
have done this crazy, slow, 

1003
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,500
reverse diet. 
And man, like I am sold on it, 

1004
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,500
like, like I always tell people 
there's two different ways to go

1005
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:23,000
about it, you can have a quicker
reverse diet and lose that 

1006
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,300
conditioning, a little bit 
sooner, but then kind of return 

1007
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:28,300
to some degree of normalcy, a 
little bit faster, or you can go

1008
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:30,900
Ultra slow and strict. 
Like you pretty much do with 

1009
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,900
your prep and you'll just, you 
know, continue to sacrifice that

1010
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,200
social life a bit more. 
But some people like that 

1011
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,000
because they can hold onto that 
physique little bit longer. 

1012
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,600
But I've had several clients 
mostly female clients at this 

1013
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,400
point that I've done this crazy,
slow reverse diet and they just 

1014
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,400
keep getting leaner and leaner 
and leaner even though they're 

1015
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,700
eating more and more and more. 
So I'm definitely going to be 

1016
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:53,400
trying that this go around now. 
Is there? 

1017
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:57,800
So I'm curious is there body fat
going down or are they feel? 

1018
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Are they feeling out there? 
Muscle bellies Fuller and So 

1019
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,000
there and so, they just like 
their skins tighter I'm curious.

1020
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,300
So they're, they're using an 
in-body which, you know, there's

1021
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,600
obviously issues there but 
they're showing a drop in body 

1022
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,400
fat and increase in lean mass. 
Wow, so from an in my 

1023
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,700
standpoint, it's all positive. 
You know, it's all looking good 

1024
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,700
and like, just based off of, you
know, physique shots like 

1025
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:21,100
looking at them. 
It's obvious that they're 

1026
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,700
holding their conditioning very,
very well, but they're eating 

1027
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,900
literally 500 to 1,000 calories 
more than they were during peak 

1028
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,100
week. 
So They're happier because the 

1029
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:34,000
reading more and are able to 
maintain that, that 

1030
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,300
conditioning, much much longer, 
I think. 

1031
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,600
What's going on, is that there 
may be a cat. 

1032
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,200
May I interject a sarcastic? 
Remark. 

1033
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,800
Yeah, go for it. 
Is this further evidence that 

1034
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Cal really don't matter to me. 
I mean, I don't think it's that 

1035
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,500
calories, don't matter, there's 
just so many things at play 

1036
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,100
here, so like if you were to say
if you were to ask that from a, 

1037
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,200
you know, black and white you 
know calorie counting 

1038
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,000
standpoint. 
The yeah that's kind of fly in 

1039
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,900
the face of that. 
But what's happening 

1040
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,300
metabolically? 
I don't think that can really be

1041
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,600
as explained as in a black and 
white, you know, equation is too

1042
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,000
much gray area. 
Yeah. 

1043
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,700
A lot of gray area for sure. 
But did you start as soon as you

1044
00:51:11,707 --> 00:51:14,400
start eating more fuel now, 
you're twisting that are you're 

1045
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,100
twitching more now, you're 
facing your neat. 

1046
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,500
Activity goes up your overall 
metabolic before and after show.

1047
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Yeah, for sure. 
So lots of factors at play, but 

1048
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,200
I got like when they're doing 
this, like, I don't know, man. 

1049
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,300
Like I'm so that's what I'm 
going to be doing and I've done 

1050
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,000
pretty slow. 
Verse that's in the past like 

1051
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,400
typically, three months is a 
standard reverse died for me. 

1052
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:37,200
I'm literally going to take my 
reverse diet as slow as my prep 

1053
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,400
itself. 
So it's gonna be like a full 

1054
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,600
year, six months that down, six 
months to reverse dying. 

1055
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,800
But what's happening I think is 
that they're staying lean long 

1056
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,800
enough? 
That their body is basically, 

1057
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,700
resetting it's homeostatic set 
point at that considerably 

1058
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,300
leaner conditioning while still 
able to eat more foods. 

1059
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,300
Like your body wants to find 
homeostasis, in Citrus, Heights 

1060
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:00,500
to stay there. 
But if you stay low, Lean long 

1061
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:02,700
enough. 
It's going to make that the new 

1062
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,700
set point. 
So you think that's what I'm 

1063
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,700
experiencing right now because 
I've never been able to stick to

1064
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:11,200
still see my abs like this. 
I have not Mmm. 

1065
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,100
Yeah, it's very possible. 
I mean, if you've been 

1066
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,300
maintaining that conditioning 
for long enough, then your 

1067
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,700
body's going to kind of re 
stabilize that as the new Norm 

1068
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,800
quote unquote. 
Yeah, it's not. 

1069
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,600
It's the certainly not the 
fastest way to build muscle, but

1070
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,200
now I would rather I'd rather 
you stayed close to Stage, wait 

1071
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,800
kind of like you and then have 
to cut less. 

1072
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,600
Time and lose less muscle on my 
next trip. 

1073
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,900
Yeah, I think, you know, staying
for me. 

1074
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,300
Staying within about 20, 25 
pounds, Max of stage. 

1075
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:40,300
Weight is key light right now. 
I'm 180 and I compete at like 

1076
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:44,400
160 so I'm like women 20 pounds 
of stage weight, which I like 

1077
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,200
the way I look. 
Now I'm feeling I feel good 

1078
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,500
about it, so it's not a drastic 
thing. 

1079
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,200
Like if you get the point where 
you feel, you know, unhappy with

1080
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,300
how you look in the offseason 
just for the sake of building 

1081
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,200
muscle, but you're like to press
with, how you look like. 

1082
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,600
That's not a good thing either. 
Exactly. 

1083
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:01,600
Yeah. 
It's like if I got to 2025 

1084
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,800
pounds higher than my stage way 
that would put me at about 210, 

1085
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:10,300
my I just hate how I feel when 
I'm when I'm at heavy, I do. 

1086
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:15,300
I just I like, I like how I feel
around, a buck ninety five to 

1087
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,100
two hundred and and that's my 
sweet spot. 

1088
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:21,200
If it means that I won't be as 
competitive because I'm not 

1089
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,200
willing to to gain weight any 
faster. 

1090
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,100
Like I'm okay with that. 
But I really don't think Think 

1091
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,000
you have to put them, there's 
definitely a point of 

1092
00:53:30,008 --> 00:53:32,700
diminishing returns of putting 
weight on to build more muscle. 

1093
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,300
Like the, you definitely need to
be ideally eating it somewhat of

1094
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,000
a surplus to maximize muscle 
building potential. 

1095
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:44,000
But if you are like just getting
sloppy and then just eating for 

1096
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,500
the sake of eating and you're 
getting unnecessarily fat. 

1097
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:48,600
I think that widens a pain 
during your performance. 

1098
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,300
Because like, if you are 
overweight the point where your 

1099
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:54,500
cardiovascular health and 
conditioning is hindered, then 

1100
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:57,500
you're not really going to be 
able to train which is this 

1101
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:00,300
String with maximum intensity. 
Like, if you're getting winded, 

1102
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:02,700
after three reps of squats and 
you're not going to be able to 

1103
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,200
maximize your squat performance,
which is going to hand your 

1104
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,100
value, put on more lean mass, 
right? 

1105
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,500
So this and as an aside note, 
what you said just reminded me 

1106
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:16,600
of something that got us 
thinking about earlier but when 

1107
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,500
it but when it comes to training
for endurance and training for 

1108
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,300
and training for Aesthetics, 
what makes sense. 

1109
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:28,800
On paper is one thing and then 
Anecdotal evidence. 

1110
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,900
And looking at the big picture 
is can be quite another because 

1111
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,100
in my training right now I'm 
yeah, like, I'm probably losing 

1112
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,200
some. 
It's this isn't this isn't the 

1113
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,700
best. 
This isn't the best way to have 

1114
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:45,100
big legs running a marathon 
right now. 

1115
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,100
There's probably some muscle 
tissue that's being lost. 

1116
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:52,200
Let's get really honest but But 
if but if I can train better 

1117
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,300
because my cardiovascular health
is improved throughout the week,

1118
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,900
I mean that's a net win. 
Yeah. 

1119
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:01,300
I think when I was running the 
the one mile a day which again 

1120
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,900
is not a far distance at all, 
but I felt like what we do in 

1121
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:06,200
the mornings. 
A mile, two miles a day. 

1122
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:07,900
Yeah. 
Enjoy that. 

1123
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,700
And I didn't really see it drop 
and strength. 

1124
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:14,800
But I do think especially with a
ketogenic diet, you know, you 

1125
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,100
can absolutely as you get more 
deeply fight adapted, replenish 

1126
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,700
muscle glycogen you know 
efficiently in Absence of 

1127
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,200
carbohydrates, your body is 
going to be less likely to use 

1128
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,100
Muscle glycogen because it's 
more preserving, you know, more 

1129
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:30,900
preservative towards that. 
But if you're doing two-a-days 

1130
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
and you're running in the 
morning and training the 

1131
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,300
evenings, or vice versa, that 
makes it harder to replenish 

1132
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:37,800
that muscle glycogen. 
So even though I was only 

1133
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,500
running a mile a day, I felt 
like my muscle glycogen reserves

1134
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,200
were not as efficient at staying
camped out, if that makes sense.

1135
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,500
Oh yeah. 
No, if I don't work out soon 

1136
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:50,500
after my run. 
Run. 

1137
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:52,700
It ain't happenin later in the 
day, there's no way. 

1138
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:59,100
Mentally, I can't do it and, and
just and physically, my glycogen

1139
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,600
is gone by that point because 
I'm on two meals a day right 

1140
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,600
now. 
First first meal is about 40 or 

1141
00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:08,000
50 grams protein, 40, 50 grams 
fat, dinner is everything else, 

1142
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,400
so it's a huge meal. 
Yeah. 

1143
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,500
And so if I, so, if I missed 
that Trent, that training window

1144
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:17,200
in the morning, my glycogen 
suffers, but that's, that's more

1145
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,000
of a problem when my protein is 
very high. 

1146
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:23,200
My fats, very high in my 
proteins relatively low. 

1147
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,500
It's easier to it's easier to 
pull off. 

1148
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,300
Yeah, that makes total circuit 
which is why I hate the night. 

1149
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,600
The night, the night time part 
of competitions, because I'm 

1150
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,000
always just kind of a kind of a 
wreck trying to stay awake at 

1151
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,200
that point. 
Yeah, my bedtime is like 8:00, 

1152
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,900
man. 
Like these competitions that are

1153
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:42,200
seriously, like he's gonna kick 
my butt. 

1154
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:45,400
Yeah, is that so yeah, and when 
you start having kids and stuff,

1155
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,900
to that changes things real 
quick and you need to get to bed

1156
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:49,600
earlier. 
Yeah, I was talking to somebody 

1157
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,700
man. 
I don't know who It was but they

1158
00:56:50,707 --> 00:56:53,700
were saying that the competition
went into 1:00 in the morning 

1159
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:56,300
may have been Dakota obvious 
here but like there was 

1160
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:58,700
competition. 
I went to 1:00 in the morning 

1161
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:01,800
and I'm like good night man, 
that's way past my bedtime. 

1162
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,000
I couldn't hang could not hang. 
So what are you going to do? 

1163
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,900
Like you do the marathon and 
then what are you gonna do? 

1164
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,100
Like what's your plans 
long-term? 

1165
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:14,100
From a competitive set strategy 
are going to do another 

1166
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,800
competition like body building 
competition? 

1167
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,300
You're going to focus more on 
the running for the next little 

1168
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:19,600
bit. 
Well, my wife do some, my wife, 

1169
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,400
Taylor's doing All right, now. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1170
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000
Yeah. 
This is, this is her first year.

1171
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,700
And, and dude, one of the 
coolest things that I hear every

1172
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:31,000
day is just the the 
conversations that the she's 

1173
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,800
having with your with your wife,
man. 

1174
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,900
She's just been the coolest role
model and influence on Taylor 

1175
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000
and she's just been, it's funny 
like there's, they're so they're

1176
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,700
so nerdy about like reading the 
same Bible passages together and

1177
00:57:41,707 --> 00:57:45,100
talking about Mom life and 
everything, but I don't know for

1178
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:46,800
whatever it's worth. 
I just wanted to say that it's 

1179
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,200
kind of cool because like man, 
you and I met each other long 

1180
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,100
before they met each. 
Other but they know talk much 

1181
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:55,300
more frequent than we talk on 
the phone all the time man. 

1182
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:00,400
Yeah which is cool to see like 
as a husband. 

1183
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
You know, it's like you want you
want your wife and your kids and

1184
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,600
everybody spending spending 
spending time with relationships

1185
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,600
that that you know, that are 
good for them. 

1186
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,300
And the same thing with with 
Taylor me to like she was she 

1187
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:15,400
was like I do not like the 
person you're coming into the 

1188
00:58:15,408 --> 00:58:18,500
more the the last time that you 
spend with people to church and 

1189
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:20,500
she didn't work she didn't word 
it that way because Very 

1190
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,500
respectful. 
But that's what. 

1191
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,300
But but I but I knew it and she 
knew it. 

1192
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:27,500
And yeah, those kind of first 
thing you need to do needed. 

1193
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:31,300
To change was just making sure 
that in my calendar, every 

1194
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:33,600
single week I'm spending time 
with someone in my church that 

1195
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,500
is older than me because those 
are the kind of people that I 

1196
00:58:35,508 --> 00:58:36,800
need to be around. 
Yeah. 

1197
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,700
And being not being on peep on 
podcast, with like people, like 

1198
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:42,600
you that I respect. 
I mean, these are these are real

1199
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,800
quality relationships man so I 
really, really cherish this 

1200
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,300
time. 
But yeah, for sure, man, my 

1201
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:47,500
pleasure. 
Yeah. 

1202
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:49,600
So it's so thanks. 
So tip, so Taylor's doing her 

1203
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,900
first show this Here and she's 
yeah. 

1204
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:59,200
Doing it on basically so far. 
We've treated your your, we 

1205
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,400
treated her prep as gospel for, 
you know what you teach in your 

1206
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,200
book and so she's on Phase 2 
right now. 

1207
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,600
She's working on increasing her 
protein threshold, finding that 

1208
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,700
exactly where that's going to 
be. 

1209
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:13,800
Then we're going to start a 
start tapering macros. 

1210
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,700
We're going to do that until she
can't take it anymore and then 

1211
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:20,100
we're going to start introducing
refeeds but it's not going to 

1212
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,400
It's not going to be that hard 
core her perhaps she's doing. 

1213
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:24,000
She's doing the wellness 
category. 

1214
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,100
So as my seems to be a good 
category to kind of get her feet

1215
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:28,600
wet and see if she wants to do 
another one. 

1216
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:29,900
But this might be a one and done
thing. 

1217
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:31,500
We don't know what's exciting, 
man. 

1218
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,000
It's awesome that she's going 
for it and going to just 

1219
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,800
experience it and have that 
perspective, you know? 

1220
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Like I totally appreciate and 
admire that. 

1221
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:41,700
Yeah, yeah, so that's good. 
That's going to be here. 

1222
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:45,300
And then, Mark, Ennis, he's a 
carnivore bodybuilding coach 

1223
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,500
that we're training in Ireland. 
He's going to fly in for that 

1224
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:50,900
same one. 
And if any Few other people that

1225
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:52,500
are out there that are locked 
into those ones. 

1226
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:56,900
And then as far as my training 
goes here, again, this this this

1227
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,500
year is just to his tomb, is to 
maintain this physique. 

1228
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:01,700
I just want to see. 
Okay, what can we do? 

1229
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:03,400
What more can we do with the 
carnivore diet? 

1230
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,200
How can we get these macros down
100% perfectly? 

1231
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,700
What does what do people like 
Bart Kano? 

1232
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:14,300
And and and mark Ennis know, and
you know that I don't know that 

1233
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:18,900
I need to learn this year and 
get better about mastering, you 

1234
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:21,600
know how? 
Keep the physique of your 

1235
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,500
dreams, on a meat-based diet 
with the macro nutrients that 

1236
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:29,500
work for that individual person.
So this, so this year for me, is

1237
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,400
definitely more business that 
ends that and skull Bells which 

1238
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,000
is, which of course, is that are
the business. 

1239
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,800
And that's all going pretty well
the business. 

1240
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,900
Yeah, yeah. 
It's I mean you're in a product 

1241
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,400
business, you know how it goes, 
man. 

1242
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,100
Like you that I think in the in 
the beginning you probably saw 

1243
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,900
I'm just guessing you probably 
saw Online coaching to be more 

1244
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:55,500
profitable and then any kind of 
a product business. 

1245
01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:00,300
It's like you, if you can break 
even you're doing great and if 

1246
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,700
you're still in business, five 
years later and you're still 

1247
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:04,200
breaking, even you're doing 
great. 

1248
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:08,100
So yeah we're still breaking 
even after two years and and do 

1249
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,600
and doing great in that regard, 
I guess. 

1250
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,300
But we're certainly not 
millionaires yet. 

1251
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:12,500
I don't know. 
Maybe will be someday. 

1252
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,900
Yeah, it's brutal. 
Milling businesses is brutal. 

1253
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,900
I love it. 
And it's like very challenging, 

1254
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:23,200
very fulfilling, but man, Is, 
there are a lot of other ways to

1255
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,000
make money and let it easier 
ways to make money in life than 

1256
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,800
starting a business. 
But I just have someone else's 

1257
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,800
best interest in mind. 
You just like the products that 

1258
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,100
I make, and the products that 
you make, like, it makes someone

1259
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:35,400
better. 
They take it to the gym, they're

1260
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,300
healthier, they eat it, whatever
they are. 

1261
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,700
They're a healthier person B 
could because they use your 

1262
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:42,100
product. 
That's, that's a very honest way

1263
01:01:42,107 --> 01:01:46,500
to make money, but it's a very 
slow road to make money and like

1264
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:50,700
wise men, like shoot, I use your
your rope attachment Every damn 

1265
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:52,100
day. 
Thanks man. 

1266
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:53,400
And I know your wife does to you
man. 

1267
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,400
Every time, every time you guys 
to tag Us in those videos like 

1268
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,500
it means the world man. 
It really really does that. 

1269
01:01:58,500 --> 01:01:59,800
That makes me so happy. 
Yeah. 

1270
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,400
Thanks for doing sure for sure. 
Well, I'm glad that's going good

1271
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,400
man. 
Glad that is growing. 

1272
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,800
I'm glad that it's a, you know 
chipping away at it the coaching

1273
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,900
and sounds like I mean shoot 
you're always taking me and you 

1274
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,700
got some client plan that you're
working on so that must be going

1275
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:15,200
well as well. 
Yes, yes, especially if it's 

1276
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,300
something to where it's like. 
Okay this I this idea is 

1277
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,900
definitely straight out of 
Roberts book. 

1278
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,900
I'm like this is like I'm just 
trying to give you credit man, 

1279
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:26,500
because I mean like your I paid 
what 20 bucks for your book and 

1280
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:30,500
that's like, that's been the 
kind of the foundation of a lot 

1281
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,900
of how we've been training, 
everybody. 

1282
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:34,800
Yeah, we have our own ideas and 
things that we do differently. 

1283
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,800
But yeah, no, you really, really
cast a vision for us, not just 

1284
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:44,800
in terms of body building but 
also in terms of have haven't 

1285
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,900
having a product and doing what 
you can that way with it. 

1286
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:50,600
You know, is you got, you got, 
you guys have been pretty big 

1287
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,400
role models for us. 
I guess I'm trying to say. 

1288
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,600
I appreciate that, man. 
Like, there are definitely times

1289
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,700
where I'm like, what in the hell
am I doing right now? 

1290
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:58,800
I don't have a clue. 
I messing up everything. 

1291
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,200
I thought there were times where
it feels like the world is 

1292
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,700
falling, but honestly, man, like
hearing that hearing and seeing 

1293
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,000
people that are using the 
products and then speak highly 

1294
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,000
of it. 
Like, that's what keeps me 

1295
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:11,900
going. 
For sure. 

1296
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,200
It does, man, it's what gets you
through those bad days. 

1297
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,700
But, I mean, you've worked a 
corporate job before writer. 

1298
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:21,900
I cannot, yeah. 
Like its It's just some people 

1299
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:23,700
can do it and if you can do it, 
great, God bless you. 

1300
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,700
But man, I go crazy working for 
somebody else like it's got to 

1301
01:03:26,707 --> 01:03:29,200
be something that I'm that of 
all especially after doing 

1302
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,800
competitions, going back to what
we were talking about before. 

1303
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,200
How it's like every single meal 
has to count every single every 

1304
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,400
single workout has to count. 
It's like, man, like you you 

1305
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,000
need to apply that to the rest 
of your life. 

1306
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,900
And so, I don't know, I kind of 
have that mentality with it, 

1307
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:48,800
with everything. 
It's if we're everything that 

1308
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,100
we're doing right now is just Is
this really gotta count? 

1309
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,200
It just makes you really think 
about what's important in life? 

1310
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:56,100
Yeah, for sure, man, you 
mentioned journaling, what are 

1311
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:58,600
you doing for journaling? 
It's funny. 

1312
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,200
You ask. 
Yeah. 

1313
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,100
Every single, every single page 
is different sometimes he's like

1314
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:04,200
the worst days ever is where I 
don't have an opportunity to 

1315
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,900
journal, but, but, but, but I'm 
a, I'm a very creative person 

1316
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,700
and I'm just not myself if I'm 
not creative creatively doing 

1317
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:13,300
something. 
So I definitely am on somewhere 

1318
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,000
on the Spectrum. 
I have never been diagnosed 

1319
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,300
anything, but I but I definitely
and create and creative enough 

1320
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:21,400
and having him. 
Need to focus on things that I 

1321
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,900
should be able to focus on to 
the point where I'm like, you 

1322
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:26,400
know what, okay, there's a few 
things that I'm really gifted 

1323
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,400
that and let's just focus on 
those because that's what that's

1324
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,500
what works and what makes you 
feel happy and what makes me 

1325
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,400
really feel like I'm 
contributing and doing something

1326
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,000
with my life, you know? 
Yeah. 

1327
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,200
When yeah. 
Like when you, when you help 

1328
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,600
someone overcome an eating 
disorder? 

1329
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:45,900
Like, that's, that's sorry, man.
I'm gonna cry if I talk about 

1330
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:48,200
that anymore. 
It's powerful stuff. 

1331
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,400
Yeah. 
It's powerful stuff but you use 

1332
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,800
journaling as a way to kind of 
like just capture those thoughts

1333
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,400
and reflect on. 
Yeah, sorry. 

1334
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,000
So yeah. 
Capture capturing thoughts, 

1335
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,400
especially when I was doing 
stand-up comedy so I did 

1336
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,600
stand-up for, for a couple for a
couple years right before covid.

1337
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,400
And that's how I can say it on 
the air, right? 

1338
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,400
I don't want you to get tagged. 
I think, right? 

1339
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,000
I think we're good. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1340
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,200
Well, I know that you and I 
agree on everything but I just, 

1341
01:05:13,207 --> 01:05:16,500
I'm just like, I don't want, I 
don't want to get in trouble, 

1342
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:20,600
but whatever. 
But yeah, so that first So those

1343
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,400
last couple years before the 
pandemic hit, I was doing 

1344
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,400
stand-up probably like two or 
three open nights of weeks and 

1345
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,000
then and then doing paying paid 
gigs on the, on the weekends. 

1346
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,300
But what I was, what I learned 
is, man, when you get an idea 

1347
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,700
and if it's a creative and idea,
and it's a good idea, you gotta 

1348
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:37,800
write that down and and not a, 
not just type it in your phone, 

1349
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,300
but write it down the best 
Comics. 

1350
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:42,800
There's a reason why Jerry 
Seinfeld has pages and pages and

1351
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,800
pages and pages and files of 
hand-written of handwritten 

1352
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,100
jokes because he's a guy to get 
all of his ideas on paper. 

1353
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:54,200
There's something very very 
there's something very very 

1354
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,300
creative and very stimulating 
that happens when you put a pen,

1355
01:05:57,300 --> 01:06:00,100
do a piece of paper, what it 
does to your creativity and 

1356
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:02,300
where it kind of take your 
ticket, takes your thoughts. 

1357
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:04,800
Yeah. 
So there's times where I look 

1358
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,000
back and I'm like, hey, what was
that business idea? 

1359
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,100
Oh yeah. 
No I need to I mean I just I 

1360
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:12,900
just opened it up to the wrong 
page on accident. 

1361
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,600
I was like, oh I was going to 
talk to so-and-so about he 

1362
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,500
doesn't have a this this this 
guy wrote a book, A book on A 

1363
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:23,700
really good book that there's no
audio book available. 

1364
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:26,400
So I ask you the same thing a 
few months ago you were like, oh

1365
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,800
yeah, no, everybody definitely 
wants my voice to be on this 

1366
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,400
audiobook. 
Yeah I was like yeah, that's for

1367
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,000
sure. 
Yeah. 

1368
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,800
You got like super relaxing 
voice and everybody loves ya, 

1369
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,700
something. 
Sometimes I'll find ideas where 

1370
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:39,900
I'm like, oh yeah, no, I need to
take that one and run with it. 

1371
01:06:39,908 --> 01:06:43,100
I forgot about that one. 
And sometimes it's like, man, 

1372
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,100
those those, those ideas sounded
great. 

1373
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:47,600
But now that I got it all on 
paper, I realized how dumb they 

1374
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,900
all look. 
And yeah, we'll just we'll just 

1375
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:52,800
Grab those. 
Anything is gonna write stuff 

1376
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,500
down man. 
Like I've started like for 

1377
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:58,400
journals in the past and not 
really made it a habit. 

1378
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,800
Like I've I think one, I started
in 2017 and I kept it going for 

1379
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,700
like, six months and it fizzled 
out, but I'm going to start an 

1380
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,500
actual Journal again. 
And I'm more motivated to stick 

1381
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:12,300
with it now because there's been
so many things have been going 

1382
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:16,500
on in my head that I need to get
my thoughts out on paper with. 

1383
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,200
And I picked up that journal 
2017, I'm starting to read him 

1384
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,000
and 2017 is when I did my first 
kid, agent competition, preps! 

1385
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,100
I was documenting that. 
So when I started, formulating 

1386
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:28,400
keto bricks, what document that 
is, when Crystal, and I first 

1387
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,100
started dating. 
So, I was documenting that. 

1388
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,900
So I've got all of these stories
written down and it's like, man,

1389
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:39,100
it's powerful for me to read 
those things and just have that 

1390
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:40,600
perspective. 
So I need to be doing the same 

1391
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,200
thing now. 
So it's obvious from then 

1392
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,500
doesn't say yeah. 
And you as a writer to, I mean 

1393
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:49,300
like you're an author. 
So yeah, yeah. 

1394
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:50,400
So it's powerful. 
Stuff. 

1395
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,700
I mean, I think like, I would be
benefiting from having that 

1396
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,000
perspective, you know, recorded 
and be able to pull from it and 

1397
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,200
reflect on it later in life. 
So yeah, I'm going to make make 

1398
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,300
it a habit to pick that up 
again, for sure. 

1399
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:08,100
Yeah, for sure. 
So, when's the next are you have

1400
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:10,900
another competition? 
Scheduled like three years. 

1401
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:13,500
The future is no, there's 
nothing scheduled for me for a 

1402
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,600
long time. 
As far as competing goes because

1403
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,500
goodbye my family. 
Really, I wouldn't have But let 

1404
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:22,200
me put it this way. 
I certainly, when Abel would not

1405
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,100
have been able to pull off these
shows without a lot of support 

1406
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,899
from a from a lot of family and 
really just encouragement. 

1407
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:31,500
But but but might, but you've 
done shows. 

1408
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:35,500
And and so and so, you know that
when you do a show your 

1409
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:38,200
relationships, I don't want to 
say, take a back seat. 

1410
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:42,600
But you have to get realistic is
real strategic about the 

1411
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,700
relationships of the most 
important because that's all you

1412
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:47,500
have, the emotional bandwidth to
be able to be able to handle. 

1413
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,200
Yeah, it's certainly about 
Because the none of the number 

1414
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:56,100
of shows that I did, but I just 
I don't feel like it's fair to 

1415
01:08:56,108 --> 01:08:58,300
my family for me to compete 
anytime soon. 

1416
01:08:58,700 --> 01:09:03,000
This is Taylor's turn. 
So it's it's it almost feels 

1417
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,800
like I'm reliving my childhood 
through my kids, but it's my 

1418
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,200
wife is doing to show ya. 
So now. 

1419
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,399
So now she's the one where it's 
like her workouts priority and 

1420
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,600
and if, if excuse my language, 
if Shi T hits the fan and 

1421
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,700
something goes downhill at home 
and there's like temper tangent.

1422
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:20,500
We got toddlers bro. 
So you Now what's going to 

1423
01:09:20,508 --> 01:09:23,899
happen here, but like, but if 
there's like a family emergency 

1424
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:26,300
or whatever and just whatever 
reason, one person can't do the 

1425
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:28,100
work, I'll get a bad phone call 
from. 

1426
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:31,899
I don't know a client that has 
an emergency or something and 

1427
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:35,200
and like and one of us can't 
work out, she gets the first 

1428
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,700
workout and I'm going to have to
not train that day and just be 

1429
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:39,800
okay with it. 
Yeah you know that's cool and 

1430
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,300
hard. 
Can you can you can go crazy if 

1431
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:45,000
you if your life kind of 
revolves around your training 

1432
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,600
and your physique? 
Yeah, no I think it's a it's 

1433
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,200
awesome that your folks. 
Icing on her letting heard have 

1434
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,300
that time to do that because I 
think she's gonna grow so much 

1435
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:57,500
from that experience as well. 
I mean everything only benefit. 

1436
01:09:58,300 --> 01:09:59,600
Yeah. 
Yeah it is. 

1437
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,500
You know and she and she was 
recovering from pregnancies to 

1438
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:06,500
it went out when I was doing my 
last when I was doing my last 

1439
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:10,700
shows and I certainly like 
around 2019 and so she was she 

1440
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:14,100
was not ready to make that 
commitment anytime then but now 

1441
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:18,000
after doing it she's like okay 
enough of this it's my turn now 

1442
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,300
and I'm like, you know what? 
I miss the athlete in her. 

1443
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:23,400
I really, really missed that in 
my wife. 

1444
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,300
When we got married, we were 
both this funny that you and I 

1445
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:28,900
both grew up in the Spokane 
area. 

1446
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,500
Yeah, I thought that was 
interesting. 

1447
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:32,800
So we are going to use in 
Washington University and we met

1448
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,200
she was on the women's hockey 
team and I was on the men's 

1449
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,800
hockey team so she's always been
an athlete. 

1450
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,600
And and so to see that part of 
her back is really, really cool.

1451
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,300
And so our workouts are fun 
because there are a lot more fun

1452
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:47,100
now because she's not just 
trying to lose weight. 

1453
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,900
She's she's got something that's
that. 

1454
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,100
That she's got, she's got a, 
she's got a goal that she's 

1455
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:54,500
working towards it and getting a
little bit closer every single 

1456
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:57,700
day, and she can see a little 
bit of progress every single 

1457
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:58,600
day. 
So, yeah, I'm really proud of 

1458
01:10:58,608 --> 01:11:00,200
her. 
Thank him, and it's awesome. 

1459
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,100
It is crazy. 
I mean, I used to work out at 

1460
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,800
Eastern Washington University, 
like, I'd go there, I never went

1461
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,100
to that school, but my buddy 
that I trained with a Gold's 

1462
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:10,300
Gym. 
He went there, or his wife, went

1463
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:13,000
there, something like that. 
So he would often times want to 

1464
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,700
train their to mix up the 
scenery so I'd go and use their 

1465
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:18,100
gym. 
So that's crazy. 

1466
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:19,900
Small small world. 
Yeah, speak. 

1467
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,700
Speaking of speaking of her, she
just walked in to grab Legos for

1468
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:27,700
one of our kids. 
Nice, we're going to grab goes 

1469
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:29,500
back and getting. 
Oh, you want to say hi to 

1470
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:33,800
Robert? 
Oh what's up? 

1471
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:34,900
How you doing? 
Good. 

1472
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:37,000
How are you? 
We're not on video itself. 

1473
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,100
I'm doing Dandy. 
I'm doing Dandy. 

1474
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:40,700
I hear. 
You're going to be doing a prep 

1475
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:42,300
this year which is awesome. 
I'm excited for you. 

1476
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:44,700
Thank you. 
Yeah, I'm excited. 

1477
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,300
I also hear that you and Crystal
talk way more than Colton. 

1478
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:54,700
I we talk like every day we got 
a game called we got to show 

1479
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:55,300
them. 
What's up. 

1480
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:59,100
I know you're making us look bad
Bib and I know we're gonna, 

1481
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,100
we're gonna be like, we're gonna
have to talk more than they 

1482
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:02,800
talk. 
So, So they feel like we're 

1483
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:04,500
spreading all kinds of rumors 
and stuff. 

1484
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,800
I know Roberts been so busy and 
I've been so busy that we both 

1485
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,400
start, we hit record and you're 
like, what are we talking about 

1486
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,400
it? 
We're like, let's just see where

1487
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,600
God takes this conversation. 
Yeah. 

1488
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,900
Actual is getting such a big. 
He looks so much like you. 

1489
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:20,800
It is crazy. 
He is the cutest thing ever like

1490
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,100
he is, he's the best. 
I absolutely love them to 

1491
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:25,600
Pieces. 
It's so fun when they get into 

1492
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,800
their personality or guys are 
like all the, all the stages are

1493
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,200
fun, but you guys are hitting a 
really fun stage where their 

1494
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,000
purse Already start to come out 
and it's just yeah, super fun. 

1495
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,200
It is like melts. 
My heart. 

1496
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,800
Like I'll leave to go to the 
warehouse and he'll like Crystal

1497
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,800
say bye and then rides will just
start waving. 

1498
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,900
Bye at me, you know, oh that's 
so sweet and then and then 

1499
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:51,700
Dakota and Alyssa their their 
kid writer right on. 

1500
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:53,900
Yeah. 
He's kind of around. 

1501
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:55,600
He's kind of around the same age
too. 

1502
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:56,700
Yeah. 
He's 15 months. 

1503
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:58,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1504
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,700
Sho'nuff. 
That was that was that was the 

1505
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:02,900
best idea that you Had was to go
to that. 

1506
01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:06,300
All you can eat steak house 
after that that brings up that 

1507
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,500
Brazilian steakhouse like as an 
after party after our last show.

1508
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:12,100
So we did that with with them, 
it was like a double date. 

1509
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,100
Oh yeah. 
All you can eat meat at the end 

1510
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,800
of a competition. 
I mean, like, it's crazy man, 

1511
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,600
because like, I would go to 
competitions and then I would 

1512
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,200
eat. 
All you can eat everything else 

1513
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,300
like carbs and everything. 
I'd feel like just terrible but 

1514
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,100
you can actually eat all the 
meat in the world, post-show, 

1515
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,400
and you wake up feeling totally 
fine the next day. 

1516
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:32,700
Yeah. 
Well and And Carly and Jarrett. 

1517
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,300
They were our other clients that
that were. 

1518
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:37,500
There were there. 
They're definitely not Kido 

1519
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:41,200
there on Paleo hybrid died. 
So they both have pretty high 

1520
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,200
carb, diets actually, and they 
were there with us, and didn't 

1521
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,500
eat any carbs, and it was just, 
it was just, it was great for 

1522
01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:49,100
everybody. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1523
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,300
Yeah, no. 
It's the wind. 

1524
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:51,200
Do it. 
That's where I'm going to be 

1525
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,200
doing it from now on for sure. 
Post-show yeah I'll let you guys

1526
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,700
get back to it. 
It was nice to say. 

1527
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:57,600
Hello. 
Exactly. 

1528
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,800
But likewise likewise good 
seeing you a good talking to 

1529
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:05,200
you. 
We're over an hour and already 

1530
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,900
made him realize how much time 
has flown, but I'm super excited

1531
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:10,300
for you. 
I'm excited for all you get 

1532
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:13,000
going on, excited for the 
businesses expand and just 

1533
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,700
everything you get cooking man. 
Where do people go to find out 

1534
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:18,100
more about you and dive deeper 
into your world. 

1535
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,900
Yeah, best place is going to be 
our podcast which is the 

1536
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,700
superset. 
Your life.com podcast just like 

1537
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:27,200
it sounds. 
So basically think of 

1538
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,900
bodybuilding.com but superset 
you life.com that's us. 

1539
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,300
Um yeah so the superset you 
life.com podcast our YouTube 

1540
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:41,300
channel is Skull Bells TV. 
It's all one word, SK U LL, b, e

1541
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:45,000
LL Z. 
That's where we have a podcast 

1542
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,500
up, the see two or three every 
single week and then a couple 

1543
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:51,100
training videos, typically is 
what we're working on right now.

1544
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:54,700
And then my Instagram is at 
Cold. 

1545
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:58,100
Milton, Co LTD? 
M, IL tion, those are the best 

1546
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,500
places to find us. 
Oh, and then Taylor is Instagram

1547
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,000
is Is at Taylor. 
Lee Milton ta y. 

1548
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,300
Lor Ellie a.m. 
IL t 0 n XS, awesome. 

1549
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:12,300
And well I will link out make it
easy people to find you on and 

1550
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,700
let's do the follow-up podcast 
man. 

1551
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:15,700
I want to I want to dive deeper 
into this marathon training as 

1552
01:15:15,708 --> 01:15:17,700
you get closer to that and see 
how that goes, for sure. 

1553
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:20,200
Heck. 
Yeah, man, I'd love to come back

1554
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,000
and circle around especially if 
we're not talking like the like 

1555
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,500
the girls are like we should be 
talking then. 

1556
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:26,300
That's just kind of like our 
check-in, right? 

1557
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:29,000
Yeah. 
I mean, honestly, Jonathan 

1558
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,900
Shane, he he was talking, is he?
Not much whole bunch of running 

1559
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:35,300
at some that I would do another 
another run after my 

1560
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:37,400
competition. 
Oh, I know who you're talking 

1561
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:38,500
about. 
Yeah. 

1562
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:41,800
So I might do, I might just say 
screw it and do like a freaking 

1563
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,200
ultramarathon man. 
Like, I just, I like doing 

1564
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,200
extreme things. 
I might just do like this crazy 

1565
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,700
Ultra trail run, dude. 
Yes. 

1566
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:51,400
So let me know where it's at 
because I might do it with you. 

1567
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,600
When is it? 
I know I didn't pick anything 

1568
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,400
out. 
This is all be post competition 

1569
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,500
for me and my competitions going
to go as late as November this 

1570
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,300
year. 
So it'll be probably our 

1571
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:01,700
honestly early next year. 
Here. 

1572
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,900
But I might just because I like 
to be able to run the mountains 

1573
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:10,000
for hunting purposes. 
So yeah, I just kind of want to 

1574
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,100
blend all that together so we'll
just see what I do. 

1575
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,000
We're not doing any honey, a 
hunting, if I come because ions 

1576
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,200
going to come with me and she 
will definitely want to go play 

1577
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,500
with every single deer. 
That's gonna that's going to be 

1578
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:22,400
up there. 
So we'll just take the running. 

1579
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,300
They can't go wrong with that. 
Yeah, so awesome. 

1580
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,400
Well pleasure is always made 
always great catching up with 

1581
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,200
you brother. 
Appreciate the conversation as 

1582
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,200
always and we will talk soon, 
man. 

1583
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,700
So until then you keep killing 
it and do exactly what you doing

1584
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:35,900
brother. 
Thanks brother. 

1585
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:36,800
You to see him.