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Well, hello ladies and gents. 
Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com. 

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And today I've got special guest
Danny Conway on the line and we 

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dive deep into the wonderful 
world of carnivore. 

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She's been in the carnivore 
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She has totally turned her 
health around via a ketogenic 

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carnivore diet. 
She has since worked with 

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numerous clients in getting 
their health optimized. 

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We talk, we talk about hormone 
health, we talk about the 

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importance of consuming enough 
total fuel, talk about 

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macronutrient distributions, 
whether the high fat, the high 

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protein, the combination of the 
two is the way to go. 

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We talked about all kinds of 
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So I thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
take something from this without

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further delay, sit back, relax 
and enjoy the podcast with Danny

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Conway 
and we are live. 

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Danny, how are you today? 
I'm good, Robert. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully well. 

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What what did we initially 
connect? 

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Was it at Keto Con? 
Yeah, I was at Keto Con last 

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year and I think we're, I'm 
looking forward to, we're just a

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couple months away from Hack 
Your Health, which is the new 

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Keto Con this year. 
I know it's crazy. 

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Like every time we do Keto Con, 
it's like, wow, that's good. 

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And then the year before, we 
have to all meet up again. 

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But it's snuck up on us this 
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I know time sure flies. 
It does. 

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It does. 
So you are a mover and shaker in

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the carnivore keto space, 
especially as it pertains to the

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female demographic health, 
hormonal health. 

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I've I get a lot of questions 
from females that are wanting to

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adopt that diet and lifestyle, 
assuming that it wouldn't work 

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the same for them as it would 
males. 

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So I really want to peel the 
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about hormones, talk about 
what's worked well for you. 

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But I'd like to kind of get some
back story on what got you on 

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that path to begin with. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So first of all, hormones and 
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favorite topic. 
So we're good there, Nice. 

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And for me, I was, you know, 
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lbs overweight on a fat free 
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eating chicken, brown rice and 
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And I had tons of hormone and 
digestive issues and I was doing

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all the things that my, you 
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were telling me to do at that 
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other people and did not work 
for myself. 

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I had blood work. 
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It was all in my head, you know,
all of that kind of stuff and it

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just really sent me on a path 
looking for something different.

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So this was back in like 2006, 
2007, when, you know, keto and 

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carnivore and even low carb 
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close to being as popular as 
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So I just decided to try it 
because I had nothing else to 

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lose. 
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counting points, the 1200 
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just wasn't working for me. 
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excessive hunger, and just the 
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So that's when I just started 
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of fatty foods. 
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but I always say like there was 
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on. 
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really needing was more 
nutrients and more nutrient 

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dense foods. 
So I started eating more steak. 

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I even started eating more 
cheese and dairy at that time 

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and I slowly started to feel 
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started to lose weight as well 
and the craving started to 

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subside and a lot of the hunger 
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So that was really the beginning
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And then that sort of led into 
learning more about functional 

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medicine. 
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some weight, I did still have a 
lot of digestive issues and some

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other hormone symptoms. 
So that's where I started down 

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the functional medicine path, 
really learning about, you know,

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actually finding the root cause 
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you find the root cause and 
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Then all the symptoms tend to go
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And then, you know, results and 
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become more and more easy, so to
speak, when things are more 

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balanced throughout, you know, 
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So that's kind of the short 
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started. 
I'm happy to answer questions on

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that, but that's kind of where 
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I love it. 
I love it. 

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So when you were starting out 
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chicken, brown rice, broccoli 
kind of scenario, were you 

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pretty active in training at 
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Yeah. 
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was like a lot of cardio. 
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hour and a half of cardio during
the week and then I would do 

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like these two to three hour 
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I really wasn't lifting weights.
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lifting weights, but I was like 
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the answer to the weight loss, 
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the case. 
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start incorporating more fats, 
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nature, were you tracking your 
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then, so you kind of were 
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constant from a calorie 
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experiencing the weight loss or 
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So that's an interesting 
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I was definitely sort of 
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Like my tracking looked like I 
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trying to stay at 1200 calories 
or below 'cause that was 

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basically like the number. 
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million times like 1200 calories
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you lose weight. 
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started to add more nutrient 
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more, you know, dairy products, 
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early on that I was doing as 
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So I think some of my results 
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of the cravings and eating foods
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Excuse me. 
And then subsequently later, I 

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did start tracking again and 
sort of shifted my mindset from 

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trying to track to eat as little
as I could to basically function

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or survive, to eating, you know,
tracking to meet my daily totals

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of protein and fat so that I 
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daily basis. 
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evolution of tracking happened 
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So you you may have in theory, 
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actually started getting things 
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dealing with prior to that, may 
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loss. 
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been losing or improving body 
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additional calories. 
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So I do remember around about 
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Let's see, let me think of it. 
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started started to really make 
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I think before that I was still 
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weight even though I was losing.
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foods or carnivore foods so to 
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caloric intake and I do believe 
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my body needed to make those 
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eating. 
We start to get them eating more

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and then they are they actually 
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fat. 
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counterintuitive to what you 
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so to speak, you know tells us 
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Yeah, I I definitely want to 
dive into that because that I, I

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get questions on this topic all 
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extremes, there's a spectrum 
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absolutely important. 
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fat loss to, you know reduce 
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a surplus, et cetera, et cetera.
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context of a relatively healthy 
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hormonal state to begin with. 
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underweed eating, your metabolic
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anyways that you're not 
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you're properly, that you are 
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Your performance is hindered, 
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suboptimal. 
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me to talk to to people, females
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theory brings, you know, runs 
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just eat less, eat less, eat 
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So do you have any idea what 
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Yes, I probably at this point 
where I am now, I am in the 2000

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to 2300 calorie average and I am
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best sleep and best energy all 
the things at this point than I 

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think I ever have been and I'm 
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that's unheard of at this age. 
I love it. 

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I love it. 
I I like to see all my female 

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clients being able to healthy 
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composition north of 2000 
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I think there's times where you 
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like in a strategic fat loss 
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lean tissue, I like seeing all 
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calories. 
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Yeah, it's really like mentally 
it almost doesn't seem like it 

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could be possible. 
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eating less than what I'm eating
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I could survive. 
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I'm training very consistently, 
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Adding muscle, losing, you know,
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I don't mean to lose body fat at
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gain muscle and keep my muscle, 
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over the next 10 and 20 years. 
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All starts with what I'm doing 
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So I love it. 
I love it. 

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What is the have you gotten 
routine lab panels done and home

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home roll work done since you 
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Keto, Carnival approach and all 
those numbers I'm assuming have 

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improved as well. 
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So I mean I've had I, I 
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work with my clients. 
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know throughout the years. 
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is or my approach is test, don't
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what's going on because people 
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symptoms yet their lab work can 
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therefore the approach for 
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their individual body. 
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Different. 
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believer in lab work. 
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ago when I first started, I 
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resistance and I didn't know 
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in, you know, 2006, right. 
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the basic, you know, blood work 
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But you know, after that, once I
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work, it was looking at a full 
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antibodies and the leptin and 
the insulin and all the 

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inflammatory markers and just 
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that along with urine hormone 
testing and gut testing via 

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stool and micronutrient testing 
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And definitely things have, you 
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even now even after I've been, 
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mention, hopefully it's OK to 
mention just as far as like my 

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history and my story is that I 
had breast implants and I had 

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them in 2012. 
I've since had them removed and 

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they definitely wreaked a lot of
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So that was sort of this bump in
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know, about 8 years of of, you 
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right things. 
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with the best results, so to 
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better than I was in my 20s, but
that was like a bump in the road

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for me for sure. 
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everything throughout that, that
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removed about four year, three 
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It's kind of crazy with the 
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talk about the adverse effects 
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So people just assume it is 
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cosmetic thing. 
There's no, you know, negative 

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side effects whatsoever. 
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and deeper into the rabbit hole 
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that leads to all the other 
environmental factors and toxins

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and everything else that can can
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body responds. 
So yeah, flesh that out a little

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bit. 
What? 

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What were you noticing from 
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issues? 
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interesting question for me. 
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being completely honest, I 
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three weeks after the initial 
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I asked the doctor, I like went 
to the doctor. 

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I told him when I was 
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was sort of feeling like I had 
like a golf ball, like almost 

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like a lump. 
No, it's that's going to go 

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away. 
Those symptoms, you know, 

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digestive issues and other 
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that's the implants. 
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because I've had, you know, I 
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in the past and was really 
sensitive to it. 

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I'm, I'm a very poor detoxer and
methylator. 

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So you know, I've always had to 
improve my detoxification with, 

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you know, different strategies. 
I so I blame that. 

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and then they wouldn't improve. 
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perfect on my diet. 
And I was, you know, kind of at 

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that point That was my first 
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that happened because I just 
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because the doctor wasn't 
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the implants. 
And I didn't do, quite frankly, 

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getting them. 
I just looked at the, you know, 

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the vanity side of things. 
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say, oh, this is OK to say on 
your, like, boobs are fun until 

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they're not fun anymore. 
And you know, it just really was

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a few year rabbit hole of doing 
all the things that I know how 

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to do functionally and 
holistically. 

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I spent thousands of dollars on 
acupuncture and other holistic 

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you know treatments to mitigate 
some of these symptoms. 

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I was having and finally 2018 
around I had you know known 

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someone or a few people that had
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much sicker than I was. 
I would never classify myself as

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sick. 
I had some you know toxicity 

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issues but not sick. 
Like some people really get sick

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with breast implant illness. 
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like what if it is the implants.
Like I, you know, finally told 

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my husband I wanted to get them 
removed. 

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And I hope you know it was of 
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But it was like, well, what if 
my fear was, well, what if it 

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wasn't? 
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myself, like, OK, well what if 
it is? 

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And what if I do get them out 
and all of this stuff like 

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miraculously goes away. 
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I've had to since do a lot of 
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after them and after the second 
surgery. 

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But I've had, I mean I do 
attribute like a lot of my just 

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being in such a great place 
health wise knock on wood at 

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this point to finally getting 
them removed. 

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So I always tell people like 
I'll never tell people not to do

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that, not to get them. 
I'll just say like do both sides

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of the research, Do the research
you don't want to do and make 

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sure that you are making the the
best decision for yourself and 

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your like long term health 
goals. 

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And the the different, the 
different materials that use can

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have a pretty major impact on 
the level of toxicity and how 

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the body accepts or rejects 
that, so to speak, correct? 

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Well, yes. 
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Like I thought because I was 
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saline, I wasn't getting 
silicone, that I was gonna be 

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like the healthier version. 
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On the silicone implants, excuse
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implants are still silicone. 
So there's still a leaching of 

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those toxins that are getting 
into the body. 

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The body is still creating the 
capsule around the implant to 

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basically protect the body from 
the foreign object. 

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And so all of those things 
should be considered that just 

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if it's, you know, just because 
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someone had a rupture, you'd 
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to speak. 
But the capsule is just as toxic

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on both types of implants. 
Gotcha. 

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Gotcha. 
And this is totally outside my 

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wheelhouse, but I would imagine 
your pursuit in endeavors in 

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equestrian sports has gotten 
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right? 
Oh my gosh. 

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I used to feel like I couldn't 
breathe after riding and as I 

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was like leaving the barn, 
finishing up all my chores, 

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putting my horses away, all of 
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significant. 
Just like I couldn't take a deep

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breath. 
I was having a hard time 

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breathing, like I was exhausted 
because I had these things 

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pressing on my lungs. 
And after that it was just a 

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world of difference. 
So yes, it does definitely. 

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It did definitely make a huge 
difference in that in that area.

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Interesting. 
Yeah, that's that's super 

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fascinating, 'cause I feel like 
so many people go that route, 

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but they they go into it totally
blindsided, not knowing that 

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there could be any adverse 
effects whatsoever. 

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But like, as you've, you know, 
point it out and experience 

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yourself, that's not the case at
all. 

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So I think the more awareness 
with anything nutrition, 

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cosmetic, you know, vanity, I 
mean any of that stuff like 

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people just need to know and be 
completely informed before they 

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do anything. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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And I will say, like, it was a 
really shameful time for me, 

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too, because I was, you know, 
seven years at that point as a 

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health practitioner and trying 
to help women, you know, heal 

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their hormone issues. 
And here I go, you know, doing 

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something for vanity, thinking I
was going to, you know, make 

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things better for myself. 
And then I ended up, you know, 

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having some issues. 
So, you know, hindsight, I'm 

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glad that I'm able to share my 
story and, you know, hopefully 

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I'll help someone kind of 
reverse their own story. 

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But you know, for what it's 
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important to bring out the 
awareness about it. 

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Totally agree. 
Totally agree. 

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So how long have you been doing 
Carnivore now? 

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So my first experience was 
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With Carnivore was around 2012. 
Like I mentioned, the the few 

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weeks after the surgery where I 
started to have all these 

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digestive issues and other 
symptoms and tolerance to a lot 

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of foods, I was like well, I'll 
just, you know, I I noticed I 

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felt better just eating meat. 
I would do bone broth fasts. 

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I would do like some type of a 
protein shake in the morning and

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then just eat meat the rest of 
the day. 

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Protein shake. 
Was beef based. 

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And that was sort of my first 
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Very nice. 
And that was long before any of 

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this was popularized online. 
So did you think that, I mean, 

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none of the research on 
cholesterol or any of that stuff

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was was out at that point? 
So did you assume that you were 

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going to feel better, 
digestively speaking, but you're

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probably gonna give yourself a 
heart attack in the process? 

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No, I didn't quite have that 
because I was already sort of 

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against, like Full disclosure, I
was already against most of the 

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mainstream stuff anyways. 
And I had been low carb keto and

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I had some meals that were like 
meat only, you know, in the 

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previous years that I was low 
carb and keto, not knowing that 

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it was really a thing to just 
eat meat at that point. 

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But I wasn't really concerned 
because I had had so many 

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improvements from just eating 
low carb and keto prior to that.

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Nice. 
Did you have any adverse effects

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hormonally whatsoever when it 
came to removing the 

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carbohydrates, 'cause that's a 
lot of, I mean, I get a lot of 

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females that assume that you 
know, around your cycle you need

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to have more carbohydrates, 
things of that nature. 

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And I feel like I could just 
point to all these these females

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in the in the carnivore space 
that are absolutely killing it 

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and it doesn't seem to be an 
issue there. 

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So I didn't have a lot. 
I mean, I had, I had so many 

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adverse hormone issues prior to 
going low carbon keto. 

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I mean, a lot of my, so much of 
my stuff improved. 

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So from that standpoint, I mean,
I hear all the time, oh, you 

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know, the carb not eating carbs 
are gonna kill your hormones, 

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kill your thyroid, all this 
stuff. 

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I never see carbohydrates or a 
lack of as a root cause to a 

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hormone problem. 
I think that certainly there are

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people that might add them back 
in and they might do well and 

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maybe that's just the way their 
body, you know, thrives. 

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But I don't really agree with 
blaming carbohydrates on hormone

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imbalances. 
I think that there's something 

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root cause wise that hasn't been
found in, you know, those 

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scenarios. 
Yeah, I completely agree. 

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I feel like the I feel like you 
should be able to feel pretty 

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good if everything else is 
dialed in without carbohydrate. 

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There's no reason you would have
to have carbohydrates to feel 

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good, but I feel like a lot of 
people in the carnivore space 

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especially, they've gotten a 
little bit too dogmatic when it 

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comes to different food groups 
altogether. 

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And at the same, you know, the 
same token, you should be able 

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to eat, you know, a salad and 
not have a crazy, you know, 

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digestive issues like your body 
should be able to tolerate that 

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to some extent. 
Now, whether or not it's optimal

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can be made into an argument, 
but there should be no dogmatic 

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thinking towards how your body 
responds to a certain food group

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altogether. 
Yeah, I definitely agree with 

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that for sure. 
And I think that, you know, on 

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the dogmatic aspect, I 
definitely believe that there's 

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no one-size-fits-all. 
So I think that there's 

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different, we know what 
carnivore is at the end of the 

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day, but there's also like some 
people tolerate spices and some 

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people are going to drink a 
little bit of coffee and we know

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those are plants, you know. 
But I think, you know, for me 

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and myself personally, and when 
I work with clients, two of my 

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top goals are always results and
sustainability. 

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So, you know, one of the ways 
I've made this way of eating so 

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sustainable for me for so many 
years is by including spices. 

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You know, because I tolerate 
them. 

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Of course, if they didn't. 
If they didn't work for me, I 

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wouldn't eat them. 
I don't eat a ton of dairy. 

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I'll eat it here and there, but 
just I think making it into a 

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way that's sustainable without 
being dogmatic is the best way. 

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You know, because one size 
doesn't fit all and it never you

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know, was like that for me. 
I had to go a different way 

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years ago when I was trying to 
follow the one-size-fits-all 

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dieting and, you know, bro. 
Diet and all of that and and 

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it's I always say not to be like
crude but it's one size never 

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fits all as the he'll all die on
because that's what was true for

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me and that's what I see for 
women clients and I you know 

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help tailor many different ways 
of doing carnivore many 

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different ways of doing keto. 
In a way that works for each 

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person and I think if I could 
say back to the hormone 

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conversation is that you know 
with with carbohydrates. 

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I forgot I wanted to mention 
this. 

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I have found ways to cycle, you 
know various amounts of protein 

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and fat cycling macros up and 
down where people talk about 

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adding in carbohydrates. 
I have never had to tell a 

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client to add 150 grams of 
carbohydrates during their cycle

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in order to get rid of their 
hormone. 

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Issues. 
And I think that there's other 

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strategies to use that can fully
support hormones that don't 

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involve carbohydrates. 
Yeah, I completely agree. 

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Oftentimes when I'm working with
a female client and they're 

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having some irregular cycles or 
something like that, it's 

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oftentimes because they're 
they're not eating enough in 

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general. 
And if they consume more fats 

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and proteins, those typically 
work themselves out. 

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But they'll oftentimes notice an
acute improvement with the 

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inclusion of carbohydrates 
because that there's something 

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getting in more calories. 
They're able to, you know, more 

450
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,240
acutely activate more of a 
parasympathetic state. 

451
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,480
They're able to relax. 
Things are able to stabilize for

452
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,880
that moment in time due to that 
influx in food from 

453
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,760
carbohydrates. 
But if they were to do that same

454
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,200
thing on a more sustained 
chronic level from just 

455
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,720
increased fats and proteins, 
that would probably solve the 

456
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,360
issue altogether. 
Yeah, I agree with that. 

457
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,680
And do you ever see, because I 
see this too, like with if their

458
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440
electrolytes are out of balance 
or their electrolytes are low 

459
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,160
and they add carbohydrates all 
of a sudden, they miraculously 

460
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440
feel better. 
But I find that the electrolyte 

461
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,560
imbalance is another big. 
Thing that can. 

462
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,320
Help women like adding more 
electrolytes or changing up the 

463
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,120
ratio of electrolyte minerals 
that second-half of their cycle 

464
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,960
can really make a difference for
not needing to add the 

465
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,600
carbohydrates based on how 
they're feeling. 

466
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,400
Yeah, totally agree. 
I mean, when you're eating 

467
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,600
carbohydrates, you're going to 
retain more fluid, that's going 

468
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,920
to retain more and your your 
muscle tissues, your cells are 

469
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,400
going to be more saturated with 
the electrolytes. 

470
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,480
Whereas if you cut those out, 
you're going to likely need to 

471
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,200
replenish that and the ratio of 
which you're consuming sodium, 

472
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720
potassium and hydration, you 
know, your water intakes going 

473
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,280
to change and shift a little bit
as well. 

474
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,680
And I've found that because I 
track I, I weigh my salt that 

475
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,240
most people don't need to cut 
that extent. 

476
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400
But I'm trying to get things 
totally dialed in and optimized 

477
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,200
and I've found that the lower my
carbohydrates are, especially in

478
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,440
the context of lower calories, 
my body just performs 

479
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,320
exponentially better with a 
pretty heavy dose of sodium at a

480
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,400
2 to one ratio of potassium. 
So supplemental sodium to 

481
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,040
potassium at about a 2 to one 
ratio. 

482
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,080
And that works really well for 
me and most people. 

483
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,840
But if you're not tracking any 
of your electrolyte intake and 

484
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,160
you're deficient in that, then 
you're not going to feel good 

485
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,120
whatsoever. 
But that could temporarily be 

486
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,320
alleviated with the inclusion of
carbs simply because you're 

487
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,480
going to retain more of the 
electrolytes you are taking in, 

488
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,360
right? 
Right. 

489
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,240
No, I've I for me personally I 
definitely. 

490
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,000
Need a lot of electrolytes. 
That's another thing that's been

491
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040
super, like talk about dogma and
the carnivore spaces. 

492
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,280
You know, people saying you 
shouldn't need salt, you 

493
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800
shouldn't need electrolytes. 
And I'm just seeing that being 

494
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,160
like I see more problems with 
people trying to follow the 

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760
removal of electrolytes and 
salt, then, you know, trying to 

496
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,800
balance those ratios. 
So that's another area that I'm 

497
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040
really passionate about. 
I use a lot of electrolytes. 

498
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,520
I need a lot of sodium. 
I sweat a lot with all the stuff

499
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,120
I'm doing and I. 
And another. 

500
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960
And I just think that that's, 
you know, super important as 

501
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
well. 
I'm curious on that one because 

502
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,600
I don't know. 
I have noticed that, like, 

503
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,920
there's been a surge in people, 
you know, touting how little 

504
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,160
salt they're consuming on a 
carnivore diet and, you know, 

505
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,360
more power to you. 
That's great. 

506
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,880
Your body can kind of reset its 
equilibrium at higher or lower 

507
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,200
intakes. 
But why are people incentivized 

508
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,920
to to do that? 
Like, what has been the 

509
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,680
carnivore push for people to 
remove them entirely? 

510
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Because it's not like salt is 
going to be impacting your blood

511
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,920
sugar, like like sugar would. 
So I don't understand why 

512
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,880
they're so highly motivated to 
remove them altogether. 

513
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,560
I think some of it has more to 
do with the we'll say all kind 

514
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800
of kind of like air quote 
electrolyte products and 

515
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,600
obviously the you know this the 
sweetener can be debated debated

516
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000
because stevia is it's a 
sweetener and on Carnivore 

517
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,640
you're technically supposed to 
be removing the sweeteners. 

518
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,040
So I think it's more about the 
electrolyte products and adding 

519
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,320
a supplement per SE than the 
actual salt itself. 

520
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,480
But yet some do say like no salt
and I I'm not even sure. 

521
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,680
I just feel like there's 
sometimes not even any. 

522
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720
What's the word? 
I want to say science behind 

523
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
that? 
Because if someone were to look 

524
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,280
at, you know, then then someone 
might say, oh, well, you know, 

525
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,360
years ago when they were, you 
know, our ancestors or whatever,

526
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,920
they weren't adding electrolyte 
packets to their food or their 

527
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800
water. 
Well, that's because their soil 

528
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,840
wasn't as depleted as it is now.
So it's like we could argue this

529
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,280
stuff back and forth and you 
know, so many different ways, 

530
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,760
but I just really encourage 
people to experiment and come up

531
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,080
with their own n = 1 and if they
feel great with salt then go for

532
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,680
it. 
And if they don't need it then 

533
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,680
that's fine too. 
But you know, anyways, I could 

534
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,280
go on on this one for a while, 
but that's kind of my take on 

535
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,560
that. 
No, I totally agree. 

536
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,480
I mean, I can get behind like a 
purist that wants to remove all 

537
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,160
packaged products and 
supplements and just eat as pure

538
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,680
and pristine as possible. 
But the the electrolyte, you 

539
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280
know, supplements in my mind are
just a convenience factor. 

540
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,920
Like I could I could accomplish 
the same goal by just simply 

541
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,360
going outside and finding a big 
old rock salt block and licking 

542
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,480
on it a few times a day. 
So it's not like I would want to

543
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800
remove salt altogether. 
And yeah, you're absolutely 

544
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320
right about this the the soil 
health too, like the the 

545
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000
minerals in the soil are not 
near what they were 500 years 

546
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,080
ago. 
So you can't really lean on that

547
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,760
argument too, too heavily. 
Yeah, it's it's interesting. 

548
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Like, I I just think people need
to get more in tune with their 

549
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,000
body. 
Like if if I have zero sodium 

550
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,680
throughout the day, I don't feel
or operate nearly as well as if 

551
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,320
I have 8000 milligrams of sodium
throughout the day. 

552
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,200
So I have 8000 milligrams of 
sodium. 

553
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,320
You know, like it's just that, 
yeah. 

554
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
I mean I can't even I can't even
function without salt on a daily

555
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,880
basis. 
And I'm not embarrassed to say 

556
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280
that because someone else said, 
oh, you shouldn't have salt. 

557
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Like no I'm very clear that salt
helps me you know salt and the 

558
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,760
balance of the other minerals as
well and just back to the 

559
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,680
products thing sure I could make
my own mixture of sodium, 

560
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,800
potassium magnesium but I'm not 
gonna I don't I'm not gonna do 

561
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,840
that I I'm admittedly I'd rather
buy it I have other things to 

562
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,720
spend my time on 100 percent 
100% so So what is the the 

563
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,560
common demographic in your or 
the common denominator in your 

564
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,000
client demographic like who are 
who are the people coming to 

565
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640
work with you. 
So most of the women so probably

566
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,800
my practice is about 90% women. 
I do work with men but 90% of my

567
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,920
clients that come to me are 
women ages late 30s through 

568
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,080
actually the early 70s. 
I see the little you know some 

569
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,800
pre menopausal women looking for
more for fertility type results.

570
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,880
So I've helped a handful of 
women with fertility issues that

571
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,960
would probably be the the the 
20s and 30s, younger 30s. 

572
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440
But then as far as late 30s and 
above it's the perimenopausal, 

573
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,200
menopausal, postmenopausal group
that have had you know, various 

574
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,880
symptoms stemming from hormone 
imbalances, digestive issues and

575
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,880
just can't quite. 
They've, you know, they've tried

576
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,840
keto, they've tried Carnivore, 
they've tried to put, you know 

577
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,640
the mix of macros, try to kind 
of figure everything out and 

578
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,640
they just haven't been able to 
quite put all the pieces 

579
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,000
together. 
So they come to me to sort of, 

580
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,040
OK, dissect everything and look 
at what blood work they need and

581
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,120
other testing and kind of, you 
know, look more on an individual

582
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240
basis because they've tried to 
follow all the masses and all 

583
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,080
the massive information. 
While there's a lot of good 

584
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,200
information out there, as you 
all know, working with clients, 

585
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,840
it needs to be very tailored and
individualized to an individual 

586
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880
person, their stats, their goals
and what they have going on. 

587
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120
Yeah, totally. 
And everyone is individualized 

588
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,080
for sure. 
But if it if you were to segment

589
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,720
your female demographic that's 
dealing with hormone 

590
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,520
implications, would you say that
the vast majority of those are 

591
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,760
likely a result of them not 
consuming the proper amount of 

592
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,560
intake based off of their, you 
know, expenditure throughout the

593
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,120
day? 
Like, are they just coming to 

594
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,280
you having chronically under 
reading for far too long? 

595
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Yeah. 
So that is probably what I see 

596
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,640
8085% of the time. 
Certainly there are some women 

597
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,400
who come to me and can't lose 
because they're overeating. 

598
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120
But I do find even the ones that
are overeating are 

599
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,360
undernourished from a nutrient 
density or nutrient, you know, 

600
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,240
macronutrient, micronutrient 
deficiency standpoint. 

601
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,880
So needing to kind of rebalance 
their digestion really helps. 

602
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,280
But yes, I think a high 
percentage of the women that I 

603
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,600
see are have chronically under 
eaten that's led to their 

604
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,040
thyroid issues that's you know 
dominoed effect domino affected 

605
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,680
into into their adrenal issues 
and then of course digestion, 

606
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,240
you know it's all kind of A and 
they're all related. 

607
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
But yes, I think overall the 
under eating is a is a huge 

608
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,680
component and not just under 
eating. 

609
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,840
I mean I always say like you 
know if you're under eating on 

610
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,080
keto or carnivore, you're still 
on a restrictive diet. 

611
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,920
But it's the years of dieting 
and you know trying to lose 

612
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,760
weight and and follow the all 
the shake plans and all the 

613
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,440
things that are out there that 
you know, maybe they've lost 

614
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,560
weight and then they've gained 
it back and they've done that 

615
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840
multiple times and now they 
don't understand why they can't 

616
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680
lose the weight. 
And so you know we have to do a 

617
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,200
lot of, as you're well familiar 
with the reverse dieting and 

618
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,560
helping them slowly add it back 
so they can minimize the gain 

619
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,080
and all of that kind of stuff 
totally, totally. 

620
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,840
What is your stance on HRT as it
relates to females in that 

621
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,920
perimenopausal timeframe? 
Like are you pro HRT? 

622
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Have you tried to find ways to 
optimize without? 

623
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,960
What is your overall stance on 
that? 

624
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,800
Yeah, this is actually one of my
favorite questions. 

625
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,520
So my overall stance on on HRT, 
so when I say HRT, I'm always 

626
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,080
referring to bioidentical. 
So BHRT. 

627
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,400
So just to clarify and I think 
that I think it's a great tool. 

628
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,920
I don't think that women should 
just, you know, if they're 

629
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240
having a bunch of issues, they 
should just automatically. 

630
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Start on HRT. 
The reason for that is because 

631
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,120
they need to optimize our 
digestion. 

632
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,240
They need to optimize our liver 
detoxification. 

633
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,400
They need to test and see what 
their hormones are doing, what 

634
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,840
is happening with their body. 
They need to regulate their 

635
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,720
their liver detoxification, make
sure that they're eliminating, 

636
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080
you know, daily. 
That's a big thing on carnivore.

637
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Oh, it's OK to just, you know, 
poop once a week? 

638
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
No, you. 
There's reasons why we go every 

639
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,360
day. 
We have to be eliminating those 

640
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,160
toxins. 
Estrogen metabolism is related 

641
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,600
to that. 
So there's a lot of factors that

642
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,320
I like to address prior to 
saying okay, now might be a good

643
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,720
time for you to go look at BHRT 
if you have not gotten the 

644
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
results that you essentially 
want. 

645
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,840
So I like to sorry, this is like
a long answer to your question, 

646
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,880
but I like to make sure that 
other things are optimized 

647
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,560
first. 
Their food intake, make sure 

648
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,400
they're eating enough, make sure
that they're digesting while 

649
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
they're assimilating their 
nutrients, they're absorbing, 

650
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,360
they're eliminating properly. 
Their liver detox system is 

651
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,720
working. 
They're not still having a bunch

652
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,800
of, you know, symptoms that are 
are sort of showing that their 

653
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,360
system is backed up, so to speak
and try to do as much as we can 

654
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,800
with food. 
I do believe in supplementation.

655
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960
So helping their kind of direct 
their body on where they need 

656
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,360
to, where it needs to go via 
supplementation and then getting

657
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,440
to a point where then maybe they
could, they could add in some 

658
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,440
BHRT if they're still having 
symptoms. 

659
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
That is the best case scenario 
and that's where I see the 

660
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,040
least, the most women thriving 
and the least amount of women 

661
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,880
crashing. 
On the flip side, I do get a lot

662
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,000
of clients that have that have 
said that come to me and say I 

663
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,679
tried hormone therapy and it 
didn't work or I felt good for a

664
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,199
couple of months and then I 
didn't feel so good anymore. 

665
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,960
When you don't optimize all of 
the systems and address the 

666
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,760
adrenals and you know other 
areas then you do have that sort

667
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,920
of crashing effect or feeling 
like well I tried hormones and 

668
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,800
they didn't work for me. 
So I have a sort of middle of 

669
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,040
the road. 
I think that it's a great 

670
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,440
adjunct to add when women are 
struggling and I think that it 

671
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,320
shouldn't be the first go to 
because of the reason all the 

672
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,200
things I just mentioned and I 
think that a lot of women can 

673
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,560
thrive on it as well. 
Do you find many women that are 

674
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,480
better candidates for not using 
BHRT like if they how can I 

675
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Franken this question. 
So if you get an identical twin,

676
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,920
for instance, and they are not, 
they've got their diet dialed 

677
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,520
in, their digestions on point, 
everything is is as it should 

678
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840
be. 
Would that individual be better 

679
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,800
off by just simply staying 
natural through and through and 

680
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,680
not incorporating the PHRT, or 
are they going to see a benefit 

681
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,120
regardless by incorporating that
during those perimenopuzzle 

682
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,440
years? 
Well, I think it depends on the 

683
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080
individual person. 
I mean, some, some women are 

684
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,800
going to do all the things and 
they're going to feel great and 

685
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920
they might not necessarily feel 
the need for it. 

686
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,520
And then other women are going 
to do all the things and they're

687
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,120
still going to struggle with 
symptoms. 

688
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,480
So I think each person should 
evaluate, you know, where they 

689
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,920
are and what they're, you know, 
someone who feels great probably

690
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,040
isn't going to say, oh, well, I 
need to go on hormones because 

691
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,320
why would they? 
They feel great, you know what 

692
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
I'm saying. 
So I think that in that 

693
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,760
scenario, someone should go by, 
you know, what's happening for 

694
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,440
them and what their level say 
and and that kind of thing. 

695
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,400
I mean there are implications 
long term to low estrogen that 

696
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,520
have to do with cognition and 
brain health and a lot of 

697
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,000
different things. 
And I think that being said. 

698
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,280
One of the. 
I guess maybe I'll call this a 

699
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,760
little tip. 
I will say for women listening, 

700
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,400
if you are going to go on 
hormone therapy or you're 

701
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,920
considering it, please be sure 
that your practitioner tests 

702
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,680
before they put you on hormones.
I see it all the time. 

703
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400
They're just basing it off of, 
off of symptoms. 

704
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,720
And a lot of these hormone 
deficiencies or hormone 

705
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,160
imbalances they can present with
the same symptoms. 

706
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,840
Yet as soon as you have a lab 
test, they look, you know, the 

707
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,400
levels look different on the lab
test. 

708
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,360
So always make sure that you're,
you know, you have a baseline of

709
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,200
where you're what's happening 
now. 

710
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,680
And then it's continued. 
You know, the practitioner 

711
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,320
continues to look at what's 
happening on a every six month 

712
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,560
or at least annual basis. 
Yeah, I I think you're right on 

713
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040
the money there. 
I've seen a lot of people I feel

714
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,280
like the HRT department has 
gotten so popular as of like 

715
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,960
that people are just defaulting 
to it without doing the the 

716
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,280
preliminary groundwork, getting 
everything dialed in, getting 

717
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,640
the blood work panels done, and 
then getting those updated 

718
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,520
panels done, you know, on a 
regular basis after getting on 

719
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,960
the HRT. 
But I feel like there's also a 

720
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,800
point at which people have just 
defaulted to wanting to get on 

721
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,640
that from an optimization 
standpoint. 

722
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,320
So I'm trying to tease out if 
there are use case scenarios in 

723
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600
which you can be optimized 
without it. 

724
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,560
And this is kind of a 
subsequation for my own self 

725
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400
because I compete naturally so 
they won't even allow it. 

726
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,800
But at the same time that with 
all the current research it 

727
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,080
seems as though that's the best 
thing you can do if everything 

728
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,400
else is perfectly dialed in to 
continue to perform at a high 

729
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,360
level and basically beat father 
time to some extent, right? 

730
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,680
And I think that, you know, just
as far as optimization goes, I 

731
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,800
think that there's a lot that 
can be done prior to adding in 

732
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,400
the hormone therapy. 
And I think that you know some 

733
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,480
who just go to it without doing 
the work first is, you know, I 

734
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,080
understand they're they're 
having, you know, the worst 

735
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,920
symptoms, but sometimes that's 
the worst thing that they can do

736
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,240
because there's other things 
that can be done that can help 

737
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,400
them, you know, prior to, you 
know, prior to embarking on the 

738
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,760
on the hormones. 
Yeah, totally agree. 

739
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,360
I kind of want to get your take 
on macronutrient distribution 

740
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,720
because there has been a big 
push as of late to to kind of, 

741
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,200
you know, go carnivore but at an
incredibly high protein relative

742
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,160
to fat intake. 
And I think that's large in 

743
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,800
large part due to, you know, not
too long ago there was this push

744
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,320
against protein and people were 
under consuming protein, which 

745
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,920
is certainly far from optimal. 
But it's like the pendulum has 

746
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
swung so far the other direction
that people are prioritizing 

747
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,760
protein to the extent of not 
incorporating enough dietary 

748
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
fat. 
And I'd just be curious to get 

749
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,240
your take on that, Yeah. 
That is not my favorite 

750
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,960
approach. 
The the exclusion of the dietary

751
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,440
fat, I'm assuming yes, yes, 
sorry, it wasn't clear. 

752
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,480
Yeah. 
So any type of, you know, 

753
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,040
protein sparing type thing where
it's very high protein and and 

754
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:38,840
minimal fat, I don't see as 
working long term. 

755
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,400
I think that you know here and 
there if you have a day where 

756
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,080
you're not that hungry, yeah, go
ahead and just prioritize 

757
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,520
protein definitely. 
But just as a longer term 

758
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,040
approach, rebalancing hormones, 
satiety, hunger, cravings, brain

759
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,280
function, sleep, I mean the list
goes on. 

760
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,720
I think that having the right 
balance of protein and fat is 

761
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,520
very important and I like to 
almost think of it as a high 

762
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,640
protein and higher fat approach.
I mean obviously if we get down 

763
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,040
to nitty gritty and look at 
numbers, you know there's going 

764
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,840
to be a difference. 
It's not going to be exactly 

765
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,960
high protein and high fat. 
But I think that when you start 

766
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
to get below I mean dare I even 
give ratios. 

767
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,760
I'll just give this loosely, but
you know below the. 60% protein,

768
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,000
40% fat mark for rebalancing 
hormones and long term 

769
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,120
sustainability. 
That's where I start to see some

770
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,080
issues. 
I like to be a little bit higher

771
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,960
protein and higher. 
Fat in a sense than that, but 

772
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,760
that's going to also be based on
their total caloric intake at 

773
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,760
the same time. 
So I think a combination of 

774
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,280
making sure they're not under 
eating in their total energy or 

775
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,360
total calories. 
And then breaking down the 

776
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,760
protein and fat to what someone 
you know should be getting based

777
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,400
on what their goals are. 
I think that's the most ideal 

778
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,680
way to look at it. 
I might have just come up on a 

779
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,480
tangent, but did I answer your 
question? 

780
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,040
No. 
You're definitely on the same 

781
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
page as me. 
I feel like there's and it's 

782
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,320
it's it's kind of hard to have 
these conversations online 

783
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,320
because people don't see the 
whole context. 

784
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,120
So I could say hey look, I feel 
and operate best when I'm at you

785
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
know, 70 to 75% of my calories 
coming from fat. 

786
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,080
So somebody might try and 
emulate that. 

787
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,080
But if they're only consuming 
1000 calories and 75% of it's 

788
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,240
coming from fat, they're they're
going to be under consuming 

789
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,920
protein, which is obviously not 
good. 

790
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,440
I'm eating that ratio at 4000 
plus calories a day. 

791
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,520
So I'm I can easily take in 250 
grams of protein and still have 

792
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,800
the vast majority of my calories
coming from fat and feeling 

793
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,120
great. 
So the total, you know, fuel 

794
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,440
intake, total caloric intake 
relative to macro distribution 

795
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320
is key. 
And it's like so much of that 

796
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,920
can be worked out if people are 
just simply eating enough food. 

797
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
But yeah, 100% agree with you in
that a lot of these people that 

798
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,800
are doing this really high 
protein, you know while it's 

799
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,480
true that they need protein, if 
you're doing so at the exclusion

800
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,640
of fat and you're already doing 
low to no carb because you're 

801
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,880
following keto or carnivore, 
then you're not going to have 

802
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,120
great energy. 
I mean protein is not a great 

803
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,120
substrate for energy and if 
you're doing high protein and 

804
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
minimal fat intake, you're just 
not going to feel good, which is

805
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,440
going to lead to lack of ability
to sustain the diet and all the 

806
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,080
hormonal implications that 
follow suit. 

807
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,720
So it's just it's it's strange 
to me that people think they 

808
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,120
have to exclude everything like 
I'm all for you know, you've got

809
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,520
like 3 macro nutrients, 
proteins, fats and carbs. 

810
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
You can get away with removing 
one, ideally the carbs, but to 

811
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,880
try and remove 2 just does not 
make sense, right? 

812
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,480
I always tell people like, OK, 
you can't remove both energy 

813
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520
sources, carbs and fat, and 
expect to feel well, right? 

814
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,320
And on the flip side, if I could
say because there's a big push, 

815
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,000
you know, as you said has been 
for this higher fat carnivore 

816
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,680
approach, I'm all for fat, for 
helping with hormones and then 

817
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
all of that. 
Obviously, you know, saturated 

818
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,080
fat is the backbone for our 
steroid hormones and all of our 

819
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,440
sex hormones. 
That being said, a lot of my 

820
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,600
clients too have experimented 
with the quote UN, quote, higher

821
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,160
fat carnivore approach. 
And because they're under eating

822
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,000
their protein, you know they're 
under eating their protein and 

823
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,280
then they end up with too high 
fat and then they're gaining and

824
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,800
wondering why they're gaining. 
And so the balance is just 

825
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,240
completely, you know, also 
completely off. 

826
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,480
So I do think the whole 8020 
thing does work for some 

827
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,560
individuals, but again it also 
has to be in the context of 

828
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,760
making sure you're getting 
enough overall and then you know

829
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,680
optimizing fat intake for 
digestion. 

830
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,080
So a lot of people will have a 
lot of digestive issues if they 

831
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,560
try to get in that 80% fat mark,
if they're really truly eating 

832
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,440
as much as they should be 
eating. 

833
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,840
So it's very much a a balance, 
you know, depending on the 

834
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,840
individual person, which I'm 
sure you've found personally and

835
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,600
working with your clients. 
Yeah. 

836
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,280
And I think those like the macro
distribution that one performs 

837
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,640
best at is is so highly 
dependent upon so many different

838
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,320
factors their their total 
caloric intake being one 

839
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,480
obviously the big one. 
But also you know how lean you 

840
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,560
are cause like your body 
composition is going to dictate 

841
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,000
what ratio you're going to feel 
best at totally independent of 

842
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,480
what your compositional goals 
are like just simply what you 

843
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,440
feel best at is going to be 
predicated on what your 

844
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,600
composition is at the time. 
There's just so many factors. 

845
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,840
So like what ratio you feel and 
perform best at is, is not a set

846
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,760
in stone number like that 
changes based off of all these 

847
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,800
environmental factors that are, 
you know, going on in tandem. 

848
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,680
So people should never get so 
you know, set on one specific 

849
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,360
macro distribution breakdown 
that they just live and die by 

850
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,160
that because that that should 
shift and it should be modulated

851
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,880
like you said, like you can 
increase your caloric intake 

852
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440
over time, decrease it over 
time, like there's benefits to 

853
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,640
being in a surplus, benefits to 
being in a deficit. 

854
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,720
You shouldn't really stick with 
any one thing indefinitely. 

855
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Yeah, I love that. 
I love that you talked about 

856
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,160
that. 
And one thing that I will kind 

857
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,120
of add because I do have in my 
group, I have a group weight 

858
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,880
loss program where I have the 
gals doing their own macros and 

859
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,400
all of that kind of stuff. 
And I do a lot of people ask me 

860
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,160
also about the question of like 
you know, does it work to create

861
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,400
metabolic confusion where you do
different things in your body 

862
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,240
response, which I think can be a
strategy that works for some 

863
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,640
people. 
But what I also find really, 

864
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,360
really helpful and maybe you can
speak to this and what you see 

865
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,120
is that it has there has to be 
some consistency. 

866
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,440
For a certain. 
Period of time before you get 

867
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,880
into like all the fancy stuff 
and doing all the, we'll just 

868
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,920
call them macro bio hacks in a 
sense. 

869
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,120
And I think that the consistency
is going to lead someone to be 

870
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
able to kind of play with things
a little bit and change things 

871
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,720
up. 
But I find that because people 

872
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,200
are making so many changes based
on trying to follow the masses 

873
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,240
and they're just not getting 
anywhere, they've got to sort of

874
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,560
dial things in, be consistent 
for a period of time, and then 

875
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,840
get to the point where they can,
you know, cycle the different 

876
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,800
strategies, cycle the different 
variables. 

877
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,880
It's a lot of what I teach in my
group program and then get to a 

878
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,040
point where they see that, OK, 
when I cycle this or when I do 

879
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,360
this, this changes it. 
This works. 

880
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
I felt good doing this for a 
little while. 

881
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,040
My hormone cycle, all that stuff
kind of comes into play, yeah, 

882
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,040
because there's definitely a lag
effect to nutritional 

883
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,240
manipulations that you're 
making. 

884
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,600
I mean, you you can have one 
thing, you know, on Monday and 

885
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,160
your body may be giving you 
feedback on what that that 

886
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,680
stimulus was on Wednesday or 
Thursday. 

887
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,920
And if you're changing things 
every 24 hours, like you're 

888
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
never going to be able to 
pinpoint what the driving factor

889
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,600
is. 
So I typically I'll I'll change 

890
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,200
macros you know on a weekly 
basis, but I'll eat the exact 

891
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,280
same thing during the course of 
that week at that given set of 

892
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,840
macros. 
So I can really have a clear 

893
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,240
pulse as to how my body feels at
that food intake at that macro 

894
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,440
distribution and just remove as 
many variables as possible. 

895
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,920
And then I'll have that trending
up or down depending on whether 

896
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,240
I'm in a caloric surplus or 
deficit building phase or 

897
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:06,040
cutting phase for months on end 
sometimes years on end before I 

898
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,320
shift that the different to a 
different direction. 

899
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,840
So I'm making a lot of changes. 
I'm, I'm hacking, I don't like 

900
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,960
the word hacking. 
I'm I'm testing a lot of things 

901
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,320
with a lot of things. 
But I'm doing so more so on like

902
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,880
a a long term basis like like as
a as an illustration my prep. 

903
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,880
You know, when I do a 
competition prep and I'm in a 

904
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,680
prioritizing fat loss, like that
is a 33 week long process and 

905
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,880
then I'm reverse dieting out of 
that for the next, you know, 

906
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,840
like right now I'm 17 weeks into
my reverse diet and then I'll be

907
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,560
in a building phase for the next
three years before I'd start to 

908
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,040
strategically cut my caloric 
intake down again. 

909
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,320
I mean, there may be times 
during that building phase when 

910
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,600
I'm at a surplus where I'll 
throw in some strategic extended

911
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,240
fast. 
I don't ever really recommend 

912
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,560
extended fast while also being 
at a, you know, deficit overall 

913
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,280
to me stresses on the body, but 
I'm not really changing things 

914
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,960
that drastically given the phase
that I'm in, so to speak. 

915
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,440
So the phases last quite a long 
time, and people that are trying

916
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,400
to change their body composition
or trying to improve their 

917
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,920
health or figure out what diets 
do and don't work for them, what

918
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,960
foods do and don't work for 
them, what supplements do and 

919
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,520
don't work for them, if they're 
changing it every few days, 

920
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,680
they'll never be able to 
pinpoint anything exactly. 

921
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,040
No, I love all of that because I
just think that people get into 

922
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,240
not even realizing that they're 
not even being consistent. 

923
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:30,280
I mean in all fairness, because 
they're just trying to do make 

924
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,000
changes based on something 
they've seen on social media or 

925
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,960
on a video or on a podcast. 
And I think that that is the 

926
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,040
biggest you know, sort of a what
am I trying to say like a 

927
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,760
problem in a sense of just I 
understand they're they're so 

928
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,280
badly wanting their results but 
the the lack of consistency is. 

929
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,040
Definitely contributing to not 
getting those results. 

930
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Yeah, 100%, especially when it 
comes to doing things outside 

931
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,360
their comfort zone. 
I mean like your body wants to 

932
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,880
stay comfortable. 
Like that's how we've 

933
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,720
evolutionarily been, you know, 
been raised. 

934
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,600
Like we want to stay in a 
comfortable place. 

935
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,200
And if you are comfortable at, 
you know, 30% body fat, it's not

936
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,840
going to be effortless to get 
down to 20% body fat. 

937
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,120
It's not going to be effortless 
to get down to 10% body fat. 

938
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,560
Like it's it's all going to stem
from doing something outside of 

939
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,760
the norm to elicit a response 
different from what you've 

940
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,720
always gotten. 
So yeah, like you have to just 

941
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,440
embrace that but be excited 
about that. 

942
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,320
Like that's that's kind of a 
psychological conversation which

943
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,040
we we we do a whole podcast on 
the psychology of body 

944
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680
composition changes. 
But, but yeah, like people can't

945
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,280
expect it to be effortless if 
they're wanting to change 

946
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,800
something from what they've 
always done their entire life. 

947
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Like that's just doesn't make 
sense. 

948
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

949
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,560
So yeah, I totally agree. 
Well tell me about this, this 

950
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,440
group that you've got going. 
So you have a A group with your 

951
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,880
client, with your client pools 
that are interacting in that. 

952
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,760
Yeah. 
So I I have my one-on-one 

953
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,240
practice, but I also have a a an
online weight loss group. 

954
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,520
It's a seven week program where 
it's called the weight loss 

955
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,920
accelerator program And I I do 
video sessions on a weekly 

956
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,760
basis. 
The ladies are getting 

957
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,360
individual coaching and feedback
within a group setting. 

958
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,560
So not only do they get their 
own coaching and feedback from 

959
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,760
me, but they also get the 
benefit of being in the group 

960
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,640
setting. 
So they can, you know, see the 

961
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,480
other ladies questions and 
answers and the feedback I'm 

962
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,280
giving giving to the other women
as well. 

963
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,520
So, you know, that might trigger
a question for someone or they 

964
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,720
might think, Oh yeah, I had that
issue a few weeks ago and I 

965
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,760
didn't even remember. 
So I just really have a very 

966
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,320
it's like there's a curriculum 
where we have different topics 

967
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,240
every week, different 
accountability in the group. 

968
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:48,720
And it's just a really great, 
I've had women, you know, 

969
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,480
anywhere from losing anywhere 
from 5 to 15 or 20 lbs. 

970
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200
And then just along the way lots
of NS VS like the non scale 

971
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,040
victories of losing inches to 
energy digestion, improving, 

972
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,120
sleep improving just a lot of 
different lots, a lot of 

973
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520
different things. 
So it's a very, I call it, it's 

974
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,760
kind of like my baby. 
I started doing group online 

975
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,440
programs probably 8 years ago 
and sort of it just evolved over

976
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,200
the years. 
I had a little break after 2020.

977
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,080
I did a lot of groups in 2020. 
So it's a little burnt out on it

978
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,120
to be really honest with you. 
But then got back into it 2021 I

979
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,840
believe and this, this evolution
of the seven week program seems 

980
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,360
to be my favorite and the best 
so far that I've done so. 

981
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,160
So since you have it based off a
seven week timeline, do you, do 

982
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,560
you open the group up and like 
cohorts like people join at the 

983
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,960
same time, so they're going to 
the seven weeks at the same time

984
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,560
or how is that structured? 
Yeah. 

985
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,760
So it opens at the same time. 
All the women join at the same 

986
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,800
time, and then it's the same 
same group. 

987
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,040
The registration closes and it's
the same group, same ladies for 

988
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,160
those seven weeks. 
So every week is like, like I 

989
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,440
said, it's like a curriculum. 
So there's every week, every 

990
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,680
week, every topic builds on each
other. 

991
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,480
And then by the end, they've got
these foundational strategies 

992
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,800
that they can put into play. 
That really helps to clarify the

993
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,360
overwhelming and misinformation 
out there. 

994
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,760
Gives them a lot of direction on
what they should do next, how to

995
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,360
sort of build, build those 
layers of that foundation on 

996
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
each other and then be able to 
kind of take the next steps for 

997
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,840
them and work from there. 
Very nice. 

998
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,480
I think the, the accountability 
factor with a group setting is 

999
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,440
just so, so paramount. 
And anytime you can get people 

1000
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560
that are going through something
new, something challenging 

1001
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,240
together so they can bounce 
ideas off one another and then 

1002
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,600
just for lack of a better word, 
suffer with somebody else, have 

1003
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,360
some camaraderie there, it just 
it makes the adherence so much 

1004
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,640
better. 
Yeah. 

1005
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,960
What I see a lot too, I 
definitely agree with that, is 

1006
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,520
that a lot of these ladies that 
have, you know, been doing 

1007
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,320
things on their own and never 
been in a community or maybe 

1008
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,960
been in communities, but they 
haven't maybe been, you know, 

1009
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,440
able to relate to other ladies, 
is that they do see a lot of 

1010
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,720
similarities of, OK, you're, you
know, in your 40s or your 50s or

1011
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,640
whatever age. 
And you've been through some of 

1012
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,040
the same things I've been 
through. 

1013
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,560
And just to have that 
camaraderie of like you say like

1014
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,560
community and seeing that there 
are other women that have gone 

1015
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,600
through the exact same things or
you know, they've had results 

1016
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,240
are, let's be real slower than 
they thought that they should 

1017
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,960
be. 
You know, just whatever the case

1018
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,720
is can be really, really helpful
because I think that people 

1019
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,240
have, you know, expectations 
about weight loss and how fast 

1020
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,720
things should happen. 
And and then you they kind of 

1021
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,520
get into it and they're like, 
oh, it's kind of like a a wake. 

1022
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,000
Up call as far as that goes. 
That there are no quick fixes, 

1023
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,520
Yeah. 
And that that's so key. 

1024
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,760
I feel like a lot of people they
they want that quick fix and 

1025
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,720
it's it's disheartening when you
don't see the scale go up or 

1026
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:53,360
down or whatever the goal is. 
But it's like you each and this,

1027
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,200
this, this is said a million 
times in fitness circles and 

1028
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,040
nutrition circles. 
But it's like you really truly 

1029
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,640
have to just enjoy the journey 
more so than the in destination.

1030
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Because once you start falling 
in love with the process then 

1031
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,320
there is no in destination like 
you just simply want to get 

1032
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,000
better and better. 
You don't want to maintain like 

1033
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,480
you want to play the long game 
and have longevity and health 

1034
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,680
that thrives well into your 
later years. 

1035
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,040
And if you view it through that 
lens, you're not likely gonna be

1036
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,000
disheartened when you hit these 
small Rd. bumps. 

1037
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,400
Yeah, I definitely agree with 
that. 

1038
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,760
I'm sure you know in your quest 
and journey and all of the, you 

1039
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,560
know, recent competition, you're
learning stuff about yourself 

1040
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,640
every day. 
And I feel like too for me like 

1041
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,200
yes, I've, you know, been doing 
this a while and I've had a lot 

1042
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,040
of success and I am 47 and still
learning about myself. 

1043
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,040
And you know, I'm in a time 
where hormones are changing and 

1044
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,720
I'm just learning how to manage 
it all and continue to, you 

1045
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,360
know, figure out how I'm going 
to keep thriving and and just 

1046
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,400
moving forward. 
Totally out of curiosity, this 

1047
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,040
is kind of a business question, 
but what platform have you built

1048
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,320
the, the, the community on? 
So I run the community on 

1049
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,920
Facebook, honestly, in a private
Facebook group. 

1050
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Nice. 
And that's worked pretty well 

1051
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,960
for you. 
Yeah. 

1052
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,280
Overall, I think, you know, 
Facebook has its little glitches

1053
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,160
here and there. 
But just in general, we do some 

1054
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,360
Zoom calls, I think for the 
videos, the Facebook Live 

1055
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,240
feature really is helpful. 
And so we do. 

1056
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,680
I do a combination of Facebook 
Live videos and Zoom calls and 

1057
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,720
then the the recordings are 
always posted. 

1058
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,400
Awesome. 
When is the the next cohort 

1059
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,400
start? 
So the next one will start April

1060
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,560
14th. 
So just in about just just about

1061
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,200
a month from now. 
Very cool. 

1062
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,960
Very cool. 
Yeah. 

1063
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,240
What's in the what's the new the
new topic right now in the in 

1064
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,280
the carnivore space I'm the 
worst at consuming content. 

1065
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,880
So I don't even know what is 
controversial right now. 

1066
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,320
Probably like I should. 
But what is the hot, hot button 

1067
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,840
issue at the moment? 
I think that well, I feel like 

1068
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,840
electrolytes will always be that
hot button. 

1069
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,840
One of them. 
And I think the macros, like the

1070
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,680
higher protein or higher fat, 
It's like the great debate. 

1071
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Higher protein, higher fat, The 
count. 

1072
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,600
Oh, here's another one. 
Counting, like counting macros 

1073
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,640
or not counting macros. 
Counting calories. 

1074
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:12,960
You don't have to count 
calories. 

1075
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,800
Calories don't matter on 
carnivore. 

1076
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,280
Have you heard that one? 
I have. 

1077
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,560
Which is interesting. 
It's it's funny because like, I 

1078
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,120
am pretty much as close to 
carnivore as you can get without

1079
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,720
being officially carnivore. 
Like, I still have some things, 

1080
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,080
but I I eat really clean and I 
am gaining body fat right now. 

1081
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,840
Planned gained body fat, but 
it's like I am most definitely 

1082
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,680
gaining body fat and I am 
sticking to a relatively 

1083
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,360
carnivore approach. 
So it's like the notion that you

1084
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,080
can't gain body fat in the 
context of just simply removing 

1085
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,440
the carbs is, is is an 
interesting argument. 

1086
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:50,760
Yeah no, I know and I I love to 
hear the, you know, the calories

1087
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,040
don't matter on carnivore or you
know, it's like that's, you 

1088
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,360
know, and I just in looking at 
the different people that come 

1089
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,760
to carnivore and even keto and 
sort of have this, you know, 

1090
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,640
calories might not matter 
outlook. 

1091
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,360
I feel like, you know, when they
share that stuff on social media

1092
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,920
especially, nobody knows what 
they were doing prior. 

1093
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,040
Nobody knows if they were eating
McDonald's. 

1094
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,200
You know, not just burger 
patties, all the things you know

1095
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,160
and fast food and processed food
and how much they were actually 

1096
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,960
consuming before. 
So while they might think they 

1097
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,880
don't need to count anything on 
carnivore what is what were they

1098
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,240
actually consuming before? 
Because what they were consuming

1099
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,560
before may have in fact been 
more than what they're getting 

1100
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,720
now. 
But because they're just eating 

1101
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,920
carnivore, they could still be 
in a in a deficit from what they

1102
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,200
were doing before without 
realizing it. 

1103
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,360
Yeah, it's it's interesting. 
I was actually having this 

1104
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,600
conversation with somebody the 
other day. 

1105
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,680
It's like there's there's a lot 
of good that comes from all 

1106
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,200
these different dietary 
protocols like the flexible 

1107
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,600
dieting, if it fits your macros,
bro dieting approach. 

1108
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Like, I would not recommend that
now, but there's a lot of things

1109
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,680
I learned in doing that that 
I've since applied to what I now

1110
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,680
know about proper ketogenic and 
carnivore nutrition. 

1111
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,240
It's like you can pick-n-pull 
these, these highlights, these 

1112
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,120
positive components of different
types of, you know, eating and 

1113
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,040
just mesh them together to make 
it your own and make it work 

1114
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,960
well for you. 
Like there's this mutually 

1115
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,480
beneficial thing that happens 
when you don't look through the 

1116
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,680
lens of, hey, it's either this 
or that. 

1117
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,680
It could be a, you know, this 
and that approach. 

1118
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,400
Yeah. 
And I like to always say like, 

1119
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,440
you know, going back to there's 
no one-size-fits-all. 

1120
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:41,240
And just with carnivore, really 
making sure that you're not 

1121
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,800
under eating, not overeating and
looking at all of the different 

1122
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,480
ways of doing things and getting
to what works for you on an 

1123
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,080
individual basis is really the, 
you know, the best approach. 

1124
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,680
And I think that, you know, some
people, it's going to be 

1125
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,480
carnivores, some people it's 
going to be low carb, some 

1126
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,840
people it's going to be keto. 
And all of those things are OK 

1127
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,520
without being dogmatic. 
And I think that again, 

1128
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,720
sustainability and results are 
the top. 

1129
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,120
You know what people should be 
going after and however they get

1130
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,800
there is however they get there.
Yeah, 100% completely agree. 

1131
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Well, where am I going to see 
you next? 

1132
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,040
Are you going to be at any of 
the conferences this year? 

1133
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,920
We are. 
I'm going to be at Hacker Health

1134
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,000
again this year. 
So I'm very excited. 

1135
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,760
I'll be speaking on the, I guess
this year they renamed the 

1136
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,760
Carnivore Panel. 
It's going to be troubleshooting

1137
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,800
the carnivore diet, so I'm 
excited to be on that panel and 

1138
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,920
then of course excited to just 
see all the speakers. 

1139
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,200
It looks like there's a great 
line up this year so I'm very 

1140
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,400
excited to to be back there. 
Yeah, it's going to be a great 

1141
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,760
time indeed. 
I I always enjoy that 

1142
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,280
conference, lots of good people 
there. 

1143
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,680
It's going to be great having 
you there again. 

1144
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,000
It's just I feel like that's one
of the better, better 

1145
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,120
conferences for just rubbing 
shoulders with everybody in the 

1146
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,800
space and get this all together 
in Austin to eat good BBQ. 

1147
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,240
Like it's it's it's pretty much 
a win win across the table. 

1148
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,560
Yeah, and I love that they 
actually are doing the Hack your

1149
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,480
Health thing this year because I
think that there's going to be a

1150
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,680
lot of people coming that maybe 
wouldn't wouldn't necessarily be

1151
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,160
interested if it was just 
called, you know, just Aikido 

1152
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,280
Conference. 
But maybe it will open a lot of 

1153
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,000
people's eyes up to doing things
differently and being able to, 

1154
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,040
you know, look at this approach 
as a, you know, really long term

1155
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,120
health and longevity and and see
what works for them kind of 

1156
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,200
thing. 
I hope so. 

1157
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,040
I hope so. 
I think it's interesting like I 

1158
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,520
don't ever want keto to be 
viewed as this negative 

1159
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,480
connotation. 
I mean I feel like at the end of

1160
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,680
the day it's a, it's a metabolic
state and you know, anybody can 

1161
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,680
benefit from it regardless of 
age, race, gender, skin color 

1162
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,200
and that stuff. 
And I feel like if you can 

1163
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,160
change the name or call whatever
you want to call it, but just 

1164
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,960
simply get more people in the 
door to experience it, then that

1165
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,360
that's what you got to do. 
That's the main thing. 

1166
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,480
I think it's what they're trying
to go with with the rebrand. 

1167
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,000
So I'm hopeful that's the 
outcome. 

1168
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,120
Yeah. 
No, I definitely agree. 

1169
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,600
And I think that the more people
see this as a way of life and a 

1170
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,160
sustainable way of life that, 
you know, they get to eat 

1171
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,280
delicious food and be healthy at
the same time. 

1172
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,920
I mean, it's a total win, right?
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%. 

1173
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,920
What are you having for dinner 
tonight, Danny? 

1174
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,760
I'm curious. 
Rib eye. 

1175
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,360
Rib eye, is that your go to, you
know, Yes, it is. 

1176
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,120
So ground beef or rib eye are my
go to's. 

1177
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,000
For a while I was on a ground 
beef kick. 

1178
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,480
I love ground beef. 
I make this crispy broiler, 

1179
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,560
brief beef under the broiler and
it's just ground beef, a little 

1180
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,880
bit of smoked or regular sea 
salt, garlic, smoked paprika and

1181
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,760
10 or 15 minutes under the 
broiler. 

1182
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,840
It's excellent. 
But I will say the last probably

1183
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,440
four to six months I have been 
all about rib eye. 

1184
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,320
And so I guess I feel like 
sometimes, you know, our bodies 

1185
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,160
just tell us what we need and. 
I like to. 

1186
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,320
Incorporate some seafood in 
there as well. 

1187
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,280
And I do well on pork, but I do 
not eat chicken. 

1188
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,240
No chicken. 
It's just because you don't 

1189
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,320
prefer it. 
I don't actually feel super 

1190
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,640
great after I eat it. 
It's been a while since I've 

1191
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,080
tried it. 
So I feel like maybe some wings 

1192
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,120
this summer sound might sound 
good, but just don't feel that 

1193
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,880
great after I I have it and I 
don't have a lot of energy from 

1194
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,600
it. 
So beef tends to I tend to do 

1195
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,520
the best on beef. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1196
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,800
Have you gravitated more 
towards, not necessarily raw, 

1197
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,440
but cooking your food less and 
less the longer you've been 

1198
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,040
carnivore? 
No, I haven't. 

1199
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,800
I am proud to say that I have 
not. 

1200
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,240
I do not do rare. 
I like medium rare and 

1201
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,160
definitely have not found myself
wanting rarer meat. 

1202
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,640
For sure. 
I know a lot of people say that,

1203
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,960
but I don't find that to be. 
The case for myself. 

1204
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,800
It's interesting, I I eat a lot 
of ground beef, ground lamb, 

1205
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,440
ground venison, and what I 
noticed is I just kind of wanted

1206
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,840
to sear like how I do my ground 
meat now is I'll just pull out 

1207
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,200
of the package, I'll get my cast
iron skillet hot and I'll pretty

1208
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,720
much just sear both sides. 
But I'm not like cooking it all 

1209
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,320
the way through. 
Like the inside is completely 

1210
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,280
raw, but I know exactly where 
that meat came from. 

1211
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,520
I'm getting it all locally or 
I've harvested it myself. 

1212
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,240
So I know the quality is there 
and not to worry about you know 

1213
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,720
salmonella or parasites or that 
that but it's interesting I've 

1214
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,760
I've found myself gravitating 
towards that as I've. 

1215
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,320
I don't know if it's because I 
was eating so little I just 

1216
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,440
wanted to change in texture or 
what the deal was. 

1217
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,600
But I I definitely found that in
myself. 

1218
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,640
Yeah no, I think that's 
interesting. 

1219
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,360
I do hear that a lot from from 
people. 

1220
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,120
And they're definitely sometimes
where when I'm cooking my steak,

1221
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,480
I feel like, well, I don't, you 
know, I don't want it as done, 

1222
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,760
so to speak, but I think for the
most part for me, I I go to that

1223
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,400
sort of medium rare place. 
Yeah, my steaks. 

1224
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,920
I prefer medium rare more so 
than raw, for sure. 

1225
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,240
The ground meat I can get it 
right away with, but I like the 

1226
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,800
nice crust and C on the outside,
I can't. 

1227
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,320
I can't sacrifice that. 
Yeah, I know for. 

1228
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,280
Sure. 
And you, I know you, you hunt a 

1229
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,440
lot. 
You, I know you said you 

1230
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,400
harvest, but you hunt a lot of 
your own meat. 

1231
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Is that correct? 
I thought, yeah, I got a freezer

1232
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,720
full of venison that I've gotten
over the years. 

1233
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,640
Yeah, that's that's awesome. 
Yeah, I do like, I do like that 

1234
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,680
for sure. 
Well, Danny, it's been an 

1235
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,520
absolute pleasure chatting with 
you. 

1236
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,720
I can't wait to see you in 
person here in just a few short 

1237
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,320
months. 
Where do people go to find out 

1238
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,600
more about you and to sign up 
for that that cohort group when 

1239
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,520
it opens up? 
If they're. 

1240
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,720
If they're interested, yeah, 
absolutely. 

1241
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,800
So my website is Nutrition the 
naturalway.com and anyone is 

1242
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,800
welcome to. 
There's info on there. 

1243
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,400
You can send me a message 
through this site. 

1244
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,280
I spend a lot of time on 
Instagram and my stories, I do a

1245
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:47,000
lot of Q&A and such. 
So at carnivore dot keto dot 

1246
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,560
fitness I do also have a keto 
carnivore Facebook group as well

1247
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,160
and your website looks really, 
really good by the way. 

1248
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,840
I jumped on that prior to this 
this conversation and it's 

1249
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,400
really clean, really well put 
together. 

1250
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,640
So kudos to to you or your web 
team, whoever, whoever built 

1251
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,720
that out, thank you. 
That actually was that is AI 

1252
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:11,120
just launched that site a couple
of months ago that was a very a 

1253
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,200
lot of hard work and years went 
into that site getting to the 

1254
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,080
getting it to the point where it
is now. 

1255
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,560
So I definitely, greatly, 
greatly appreciate those words. 

1256
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,760
We'll definitely be proud of it 
because it looks very clean, 

1257
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,720
very easy to to navigate. 
So that that that's important. 

1258
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,520
So kudos to you for sure. 
Thanks so much and it was great 

1259
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,000
chatting with you. 
I look forward to seeing you in 

1260
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,280
just a few months as well. 
I do as well. 

1261
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,520
We will definitely have to get 
some some beef BBQ while in 

1262
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,520
Texas. 
Definitely. 

1263
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,320
I look forward to it. 
Take care, Danny. 

1264
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:42,920
OK. 
Take care, Robert.