Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com.
Today I've got special guest Nyan Patel on the line and we
dive deep into glutathione, how it can be used as an anti
oxidant, an anti-inflammatory, a way to detox the body of heavy
metals and free radicals. I just, we did a deep dive on
that. He's developed and patented a
substance that can be provided or applied topically to improve
glutathione levels naturally without having to, you know,
take in a bunch of supplements orally.
They're just going to be excreted.
So very interesting conversation.
I'm keen to give this a shot myself.
So that further delay, sit back, relax.
There's a podcast with Doctor Nyan Patel.
And we are live Nyan. How are you, Sir?
I'm doing good, thank you. Good, good.
I'm excited to learn from today. I hear we're going to be diving
deep into glutathione and what it is, how it impacts us and how
to optimize for. Is that something?
Sounds something like it's in your wheelhouse.
Yes, absolutely. Perfect, perfect.
Well give me give me a breakdown as to what that is exactly.
Assuming I'm a lay person that has no idea because I feel like
anytime you you use supplements or anything people their eyes
glaze over. So I want to do a deep dive on
glutathione. Absolutely.
So what happens it's people don't want to know what it is.
People what what people really want to know is what does it do
for me? So I'll tell you what it is
first and then which would be boring and then I'll tell you
what it does for us. So that way people get excited
about it. So in the simplest term,
glutathon is a tripeptide. It's it's a compressed of three
amino acid coming together. It's not a protein and but it's
just a just three amino acid chains coming together.
And so in the simplest term, it's a it's a molecule that a
body produces abundantly, but that is not as as exciting as
what it does do for us. What it does for us is is 2 main
things. What is it known for is, is
properties as an antioxidant, which is, is quenches all the
free radicals that you exposed to a daily basis as well as what
your body produces on daily basis.
And the second part which which nobody talks about too much,
it's it's a massive detoxifier. It basically helps keep your
body clean from inside, from chemicals, heavy metals, free
radicals, everything. Everything that your body is is
exposed to a daily basis. Gotcha.
And you said our body does produce it naturally or we have
to consume it. Oh no.
Well, body produces plenty of it.
Our body produces. Actually the most abundant
molecule produced in the human body is gliathione.
The only downside is that people take things for granted and this
are misbehaving in themselves and eventually they find a
certain age that body cannot produce a glow dye.
So if it if it's produced internally, what what's the
telltale signs for people being deficient in it and what's
what's driving them to be deficient?
Are they deficient as a result of too much toxicity so they
don't have enough to combat that?
Or is it more so they're deficient because they're not
consuming the raw materials to produce it?
Partly both, but mostly because the the exposure of toxin is
pretty high. We live in this modern day
society where we have exposure to every single thing and we are
not willing to give it up. So it's, it's one of those
necessary evil that that we are consuming so much oxygen, stress
products in our body from pollution to chemicals on our
face knowingly or unknowingly drinking alcohol in fun where we
know it's a solvent that basically decrease on your
gliathione level. Excessive exercise people into
exercise enough for until the body can recover.
Otherwise, you know, we can't do too much of exercise either.
So all those things we put, we put enough stress in a body that
your body has to keep up, keep up with the demand of producing
enough glutathione on a daily basis.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
And what are some telltale signs that somebody doesn't have
ample, ample glutathione in reserve to kind of combat all
the stressors they're subjecting themselves to?
So the telltale sounds like a little bit different because
they're subtle. They're not very prominent.
It's not like, OK, if you don't have enough glutathione, I'm
going to give you a headache or, or a fever or something like
that. It's not that easy, right?
So the gluten levels, when this has dropping, it actually
affects your oxidative stress in your body and the results of
oxidative stress or high oxidative stress and can happen
at least 1020 years later with, with giving you some sort of
disease like diabetes or hypertension or arthritis or any
of the autoimmune conditions. And so the telltale styles I
always look for is that very early on you start getting those
creepy forgetfulness, your inflammation sounds getting a
little bit higher. Your joints are not moving as as
as, as they're supposed to be moving.
When you're younger, you have issues with say information, you
have issues with fatigue. And so all these things by
itself doesn't mean a whole lot of thing 'cause you just say,
oh, maybe I'm getting older and that happens anyways.
But but in reality is that these are all the signs that you also
stress is now increasing and the bodies are able to keep up with
the demands of of nullifying all those effects of it.
Gotcha, gotcha. Is this something that people
can test for from like a blood test standpoint or what?
What is the the observational, you know, test that they can
make to to see what their levels are, what they should be?
So there is a blood test that you can do.
Unfortunately, the blood test is by the time you draw the blood
and send it to the lab is already everything's already
oxidized. So what you're really measuring
is the oxidized level of glutathione, which is still not
so bad because at least you now we know what your total gluten
load is. And you assume that if you're
otherwise healthy, half of them would be reduced and half of
them will be oxidized. If you have some sort of liver
damage or drink a lot of alcohols, then you know you have
a lot more oxygen and less, less and much less reduced form.
The reduced form is the most active form of glorathione.
And so you can measure the blood test and the range is there's a
huge range for it. And the range is because guess
what, if you, if they call it but said, hey, Robert, I want
you to test your blood test. Do you feel normal?
I see, I feel good. I said, let's look at level one
of the gluten level comes up. That's normal range, right?
And so there's a range of fiber to 1000 micro moles per liter is
the is a range of glutathione. Now I can tell you anything
below 900 is, is borderline crossing the line or today
there's a good chance that my oxygen stress is increasing and
eventually that's going to lead to lead to some diseases, right?
And so my goal is to always have an optimum number.
And if you let's see, the range is from 500 to 1000 and your
level is 1100 and you don't have any, any concerns, that's normal
for you. Because as soon as you increase
the glutathione levels to high, high normal, which is goes like
about beyond your normal physiologic responses, your
body, it cannot handle that part.
And that will give you rashes and and itching all of the body
That tells me that you have too much of glutathione.
You got to back off until the time there's not enough.
It's not just not enough. So you can do the blood test,
but it doesn't give you true answer.
It will give you some some sort of idea, but if it's done on low
normal range, yes you are very low.
Got you. So it's kind of like there's no
upper limit until you start having those rashes.
But anything that you see on a standard blood panel reference
range is going to likely be deficient for people with the
subjected toxins that we're getting, you know, involved with
on a day-to-day basis currently. Exactly.
That's exactly right. Now any product that's out of
the market today will not get you into whatever high levels
you want of glutathione. It doesn't.
It doesn't, doesn't work that way.
I mean, people will inject glutathione like 10 grams of
glutathione in the Ivs and your levels will not even rise about
1100, right. And so yes, you cannot take
whatever dose you want to increase to whatever levels you
want. It just the body would not do
that part until now. But until now there's a
different technology that exists today that can happen that part.
So that that's why it becomes very interesting to understand
that high levels of glutathione is good.
Too much is not good. Gotcha.
And there's no way to like, is there like a, a dietary food
group that people can consume at a surplus to increase, you know,
natural production of it? Well, that's what we tell all
the people, that whatever you do to improve glutathione levels,
the body has the ability to produce until the day you die.
So you don't have to take any supplementations if you don't if
you don't want to improve the diet, the three amino acids that
that you need to in your diet is glycine, glutamine and cysteine.
Cysteine is something that is not a barely found in your diet.
So if you just put your favorite search engine or your AI robot,
whatever, you have cysteine rich foods, you can get your list of
carnivores, vegans, vegetarians, whatever right there.
There's food choices in every category available to have
cysteine in your diet. Cysteine will be enough to
produce enough glutathione. With cysteine, of course you
need energy source like ATP. So maybe making sure
mitochondria is functioning OK, you'd operate a lot of toxins
inside your body, so the mitochondria is functioning
fine. All those things, they all go
hand in hand. But yes, diet is the number one
thing and avoiding poisons and toxic exposure is the number two
things. And if you do those two things
together, I think there's a good chance that you don't need
supplementation from glottal for a very long time.
Got you. But very few people and the
masses are doing both those things in tan and they're
typically not consuming ample quality foods and they're also
subjecting themselves to copious amounts of toxins, so kind of
shooting themselves in the foot whatever step they take.
And it's good effect, right, because those toxin stays in the
body for a very, very long time. They don't, you don't get rid of
it. And so it's not just, oh, just a
little bit of fume here and there.
No, it eventually it's. It all adds up.
So, So what does the the new technology alluded to for
increasing circulating glutathione naturally or with
implementation rather? Yeah.
So what we did was, I mean, we made the we, we were making the
liposome form of glutathione back in 1999.
This was way, way long. 25 years ago we made this first product
of liposome, vitamin C Co Q10P, QQSO, xanthan glutathione.
I mean, we made all, all kinds of products.
What I found out was the glutathione was the one that was
not working. So I gave to my patients and my
patients said, hey, some people got results, some people don't
get any results. I said, what's going on?
How, why can't I predict the results?
And so my assumption was at that time that the body was not
absorbing whatever I'm giving them.
And so, so then I start making intravenous form of glutathione
back in 2001. So I made those for almost 20
years and basically I closed that port portion down too,
because even the intravenous form of glutathione, there was a
research being done in the in the early 90s that when you
inject glutathione and stays in, in the bloodstream, it only
stayed in the plasma, never entered the red blood cells.
And so I said, what's the big deal?
Everything else is in the plasma anyways.
But the plasma gets filtered by the kidneys and the kidneys dump
all the gluten back in, in, in just in the urine.
So in five to 15 minutes, there's nothing available to the
body in form of glutathione. And so it still worked on a few
people. It doesn't work on everybody,
just work on a few people. And so further look in the
research and found out that all this product that's in the
market today, at that time were basically using the gliothione,
breaking down the gliothione, the three amino acids,
reobserving the cysteine out of it, and using the cysteine to
make his own gliothione. So it's like doing extra work.
It's like, I need this product, but you're going to give me the
full form. I'm going to break it down, take
it from it and, and, and, and make it make, make what I want.
And there's nothing wrong with that either, because that's what
we do with food. We consume food.
The, the body breaks down into various amino acids, absorbs
amino acids, and you make building blocks of proteins out
of it. So we, our body is used to that
part. But when it comes to
glutathione, it's just a lot, a lot of work.
And I was not getting the results I was looking for.
So I started this work on this new technology.
At the time I was, you know, actually it was even today's
date, even 25 hours later, it's still very emerging is using
something called sugars or polysaccharides and using those
molecules to stabilize the gluten and deliver to the human
body. By doing so, it doesn't get
broken down, gets absorbed, gets because sugar molecules actually
can get into the bloodstream, into the blood cells really,
really fast. I mean, if you, if you, if
you're the sneaker bar, you know, you'll be jumping up and
down. If it, if it's a kid, you'll be
jumping up and down, right? There's too much, too much, too
much energy in your brain at that time, so the sugar
molecules are pretty easily absorbed into the bloodstream
very fast. So I somehow use the sugar
molecules and lace them on top of the glorathione.
When I do that part, the grill gets sucked up into the body
really, really fast and and and being used up.
The only bad part was I can do it by mouth because I do when I
do my mouth, the sugar is broken down in the stomach area and by
the time it hits the blood it's already been destroyed.
So then I started putting into nasal spray and that did not
work because it was burned like crazy.
So that did not work either. And so the only route for
remaining for me was using a topical through the skin.
And so we had to do some more modification to the to the
molecule to try to figure out how it can bypass the skin
layers because that's very, very protective as well.
So in 2007 is when we first got the molecule stable and
delivered through the skin for the very first time that we
applied for patent applications at at at at that year.
But it took me about another 13 to 14 more years to do more
research to try to figure out how much to give, how often to
give. Can I give you too much of it?
Or is it, can I overdose anybody on this product or not?
So all the studies has to be, has to be done because there's
nothing in the world that told us that this thing, that how,
how it's supposed to work. And so I, I do all my trials by
myself, which we did. And then now we have a a stable
molecule of glutide in a water based system that can be
delivered through your skin that gets absorbed, which is going to
be far better superior than any other dosage form that exists
today. Interesting.
So you're able to put this on topically and then how do you
how do you measure the absorption of that?
Are you doing like blood test shortly thereafter to see how
much is entering the bloodstream or how is that conducted?
Exactly. So you can measure the
bloodstream really fast and see what the levels are rising at
it. So this will save you guys some
money. Well, we did the blood test and
we did it every 15 minutes for the first one hour and we saw
the levels skip on rising for the 1st 45 minutes and then at
45 minutes it kind of peak at that time and then start getting
lower. After that it take it took us
about another four to six hours before to get back to 0 again.
And So what we found out that after one single application
that it stays in the body for much longer than any other
product that I know that even the IVS only sees the body for
five to 15 minutes. And so for this to stay for four
to six hours, it's like a really game changer for for any
medicine. And does it matter where you
apply it, top of it, or is it just anywhere in the skin?
So it's anywhere in the skin is OK.
We, we like to be non hairy part of the body because the hair
when the, the sugar that, that, that that's in this product.
When we combine the sugars, it gets sticky and, and so the hair
may get stuck to the skin. The skin becomes uncomfortable.
I personally shave my hand and so I can just apply on my hand
every day. I don't have to think about it
twice. You can apply any obliques, you
know, that's usually there's no, there's no hair over there.
But some people are hairy everywhere.
This becomes a little difficult for them.
So any non hairy part of the body is good except for the
palms and the soles of your feet.
It doesn't absorb through that. For some reason the the the
sugar bugle that has there's no receptors in the palms and the
soles of the feet to absorb it through that.
Gotcha. OK, very interesting.
What about is there like a a dosing upper limit when you're
applying it topically? Did you notice that you just
apply it on a frequency basis like daily is there?
Any so that's right. So that Robert, that was my, my,
my biggest pet finding, so to speak in 2007.
We first discovered this molecule in the literature they
talk about, oh, you can give Ivs 600 milligrams to 1g and that's
like a starting dose. And if I have Parkinson's
patients, I can give to three to 4G of gluten Ivs.
And in some cases, in severe cases, we can give up to 10
grams of gluten Ivs, right? So if we look at the FDA's
website, it's a, it's a grass status.
That means it can generally regard it as safe for any
concentration can give to pregnancy patients and kids and
everybody. So I thought, Oh my God, this is
inert, completely easy molecule, apply whatever you want.
Not so fast. What we found out was as soon as
we started giving them more than two 300 milligrams of
glutathione, people break out in rashes, having diarrhea, having
headaches. And we quickly realized that all
this was, I mean, they had full, they were full of energy.
Oh my God, it's like they were having like like jolt of energy
coming in, but they all having all the side effects.
And what we found out was all the body was doing was just
releasing all the toxins from the body.
And so based on where the toxins were, if it's in the hair, if
it's in your head, you get massive headaches.
If it's in the stomach, you get diarrhea or stomach cramps.
If it's any other parts of the body, you get rashes and and so
we quickly basically we told the doctors were smart enough to
recognize this right away. And before we sold any products,
he said, hey, let's just do a figure out what dose to give
everybody. So we put, we tried different
dosages, 50 milligrams, 100 milligrams, 203 hundred, 400
milligrams. And what we found out was 100
milligrams, which is about four sprays give you the best
results, the best cost effective results to increase the growth
on levels to high normal without giving any problems.
And so that was the first time we recognize that OK, gluten is
safe, but it's not that safe. If you, if you know what you're
doing, if you improve the levels intracellularly, then you have
to dose it correctly because if you're too much, the body is
going to start dumping all the toxins out of the systems and
the rest of the body is not equipped to deal with it.
And so you have to go with your body's own personal capacity on
how much you can clear toxins on a daily basis.
And so it's so yes. And no, you can't take, you
can't take whatever you want. You do need to follow
instructions. But if you do take whatever you
want and if you get side effects, hey, you know what to
do next, right? Cut back.
And how? How was the reduction in toxins
measured? So the, a company out of Japan
hired us, they paid for the whole study.
They wanted to find out that, hey, is it going to release
metals from your, from your body to the urine?
And so they did, I think they did a 33 or 34 patient trial
that they were looking at it. So they were measuring the metal
load beforehand and then they apply the glutathione and then
they're measuring the urine after applying the glutathione.
And so before the, before the application, the urine had very
little metals. And less than a week later they
started measuring this uranium with, with loads of metals
coming out from arsenic to aluminum to mercury.
We didn't see, we, we saw a little bit of lead, but not that
much, but all the other metals were coming out.
So I think at least we, we thought that hey, it's
activating the the liver or the adipose tissue to release all
this heavy metals out. So if someone's got, you know,
heavy metal toxicity, they've they've got high concentrations
of that they could, they could either, you know, sit in a sauna
for 25 minutes at high temperatures weeks on end, or
they could take this as a spray topically and not have to be
baking in a sauna. Well, I recommend both.
The reason is because sauna removes phthalates, which will
not be removed from, which can be removed by gliathione.
And so everything that I all my detox pathways, you need to do a
lot of different things just just to get everything out of
his system. There's not just one thing that
you can do that that's going to do all the work.
So I have no problem. People recommend people to do
red light therapy, sauna therapy if you want to do cold plunging.
I mean, it doesn't really matter what you want to do, but just
have to basically stack it, stack it correctly to help you
with every single thing and you don't have to do it on a daily
basis. All other treatments, all the
physical treatments like make mechanical stuff, you have to
kind of spread them out a little bit because otherwise the body
gets used to it really fast. With the chemical process, like
gluthione, it's a chemical reaction that happens every
single day. So that that that part you can
take it for every single day and don't have to worry about it.
Gotcha. Out of curiosity, what what was
your what was your interest in this to begin with?
Like did you have heavy metal toxicity yourself?
What what was the the motivational factor for you?
No, God, no, thank God. I didn't have any problems at
that time. I was losing hair and I, and at
that time as a pharmacist, you know, I, I didn't pay attention
to my hair at all. But then later I realized that
that was, I didn't have much nutrients in my body to begin
with. But that wasn't the motivation
either. But motivation came from back in
1997 when I graduate from pharmacist.
And over here in California, there was something called
people were taking way too much medications.
So I was one of the first pharmacist in the country to
basically introduce some, a concept called pharmaceutical
care or let's talk about patients medications.
And I quickly realized and I, I think I was publishing in 1998
or something like 199798. I was publishing the NA times,
Los Angeles Times about neighborhood pharmacy trying to
change the pharmaceutical world by helping patients identify if
they're taking medications too much or too little.
Today it's like, Oh my God, of course I, I will talk to a
pharmacist to see what meds I'm taking if, if I, if everything's
in in line or not. But 25 years, 30 years ago, no,
you just trust the doctors knew what they were doing.
You take the medication, what you were given to you and nobody
really questioned anything. So I started looking at those
scenarios very early in my career and I realized that
actually we were not solving anybody's problem.
All we did was manage people's problem.
And even today's date, we're still managing people's problem.
We're not solving any problems. And so I was basically saying
this is not a, a longevity model for me personally.
I can't see myself doing this kind of work for the rest of my
life and, and having and, and having fun doing so.
And so in 1999, one of the physicians in California came to
me and said, Hey, can you work on this liposome technologies
with me? Because I, here's a pattern of
the technology, if he can work on it and make some products for
me. And so I started diving into it
and I got very, very intrigued. I said, for the first time, I
realized that, Oh my God, with vitamins, I can help people, I
can solve problems, right? And the next thing I know when I
quickly realized that's not all vitamins are created equal.
And if I, if I had to work on, if I had to work on one thing
that can change the life forever for and for everybody that's
alive today. And that would that that all
thing led me to Gliathione. So that's why my research is
right now is all Glotta because it's if I can just change one
thing in in in life, right, and give everybody rich or Oxford
stress today, I think it will change the course on how long
you're going to live. No, I totally agree with that
for sure. And Robert, 11 more thing, if
you think about Glotta today, back in the 30s and 20s when
everybody was dying off of infection, there was some some
genius in Germany figured out that, hey, maybe I should make
some antibiotics, right? And that came because people are
dying of infection, right? And so antibiotics, nobody will
take antibiotics for the rest of your life to stay alive because,
but at that time, that thing alone, increasing lives by 10 to
20 years. Today, people are dying off of
heart disease, cancers, autoimmune conditions.
If you look at if you look at every single diseases that that
people are dying of today is linked back to oxygen.
Stress is linked to glutathione. Oh my God, it's it's insane.
If you don't, if I'm not working on that molecule.
No, it makes total sense. What what do you think the
primary toxins are the people are just inundated with these
days? Like what are some of the big
hitters that would definitely need to be produced?
So the biggest one that we see is solvents.
So the, the solvents in, in petroleum alcohol is a solvent
because we dissolve every single thing to get rid of things in
solvents. And so solids are the big
things, ethers, alcohols. And that's, I mean it's
unavoidable every. So this was study was done back
in, this was done in night like mid 90s in California.
The study was done on cadavers and they 100% of the cadavers
have toxic levels of all this, what we call organic phosphates,
organic chemicals like alcohols, sorbitols, ethers, things like
that. So that by far is you can be
completely sober and instead of alcohol in your system, that's
how bad that that that part is. And so that's that's one thing.
The other parts is of course, over exposure to pesticides and
fertilizers in, you know, a diet because yes, you may be eating a
cow, but the cow is chowing on the grass, which was laced with
some some toxic chemicals. And so, yeah, so.
Alcohol is AI haven't had anything to drink from an
alcohol standpoint in two years. I once once I learned about, you
know, there's there's just no, no saving grace to alcohol.
It's just pure poison. It is, it is absolutely.
I'm I'm, I'm hoping that everybody gets to listen and I'm
telling everybody myself that if you see ever see the alcohol in
my in my hand, please question me.
I said really, I thought you just said that alcohol is bad
for you. So I do consume alcohol once in
a while. And as of today, I think I have
not had any alcohol for at least few weeks now.
And I'm telling everybody and every anybody right now that
hey, please stop me if I ever get sidetracked and, and, and
came into consumer alcohol with somebody.
So I I'm I'm planning to stay alcohol free for rest of my life
now. Nice, nice.
And I don't want to like judge people that drink.
I mean, I used to drink for sure, but it's like a lot of
people will argue that there's benefits to it like the
resveratrol and wine, but the the benefits, you know, don't
outweigh the negatives like this.
Other ways to get resveratrol? Exactly.
And the polyphenols. You get polyphenols from
anything you don't have to have with the alcohol.
Totally. So when it comes to detoxing,
there are lots of different things that we can do to improve
that, you know, detox pathway. You talked about the the cold
plunging, the the sauna therapy, the heat therapy, increased
glutathione levels. What about just like ample sleep
and recovery? I would feel like that would be
a pretty good opportunity for the body to detox naturally as
well. So when I took a, OK, so this
detox is a huge subject and we can go on for hours and talk
about detox because there's a physical detox where you remove
stuff outside your body. There's a chemical detox where
you chemically process the products and somehow make it
water soluble or bind to the fiber.
So you can poop it out or water somebody, you can just pee it
out. And what you're talking about is
sleep and mental agility, which is, it's a, it's a major, major
impact of detoxification happening in your brain cells.
And it's all due to mindfulness. So sleeping to me is, is the
purest form of meditation because I'm hoping that 8 hours
of unattended sleep, hopefully not dreaming a whole lot.
That is basically your mind is not wandering anywhere else,
right? If not, you wake up in the
morning. The first thing I do is I do
about 10 to 15 minutes of meditations and there's so many
different types of meditation. I choose to do a meditation
called gratitude meditation where I think about at least two
or three things that I'm grateful for every single day.
And 1st, this, when I first did that part, I thought I'd be
grateful for. All the things that I'm grateful
for will be done in like 2-3 weeks.
But after a few years, guess what?
Even today's date, I'm grateful for so many different things
that I, I, I don't think about this morning, I was grateful for
those farmers that bring organic fruits and vegetables into my
grocery store that I can go pick it up from them.
I mean, this isn't that the most amazing because you cannot go to
the farm and do it yourself. So you rely on somebody else
doing the hard work so that you can enjoy your life.
And so I'm grateful for that person today.
But anyways, those all those things help you clear your mind
and stay say free of toxins. But what you just explained to
me about sleep nests that are sleeping and all the different
form of detox, all these things that you're talking about is
linked to oxidative stress. Because I just did a
presentation on mindfulness and and brain health using and how
does oxidative stress impacts all those things?
And in reality is that we need to have exposure toxins on daily
basis like like oxygen, but then your body has to neutralize
them. So sometimes it's not just
removed from the body. Sometimes it's just neutralizing
them is more than sufficient. And so oxy stress that can
impact sleep and stressors and, and, and your mental ability to
functions is absolutely necessary.
So again, detox we can go forever.
So you can ask me any question about detox that can go forever.
Now it's super interesting. So from a biochemical
standpoint, Glutathione's probably the the main mover and
shake with regards to detoxing internally from anything that
we've got, you know, held up in adipose tissue, things of that
nature. With regard to the application
with this topical treatment, is there any point to to putting it
on topically where there is an area of increased inflammation
or is that kind of irrelevant because once it's absorbed, it's
all happening from the inside out?
It, it is happening from inside out.
But, but, but your, but, but your point is well noted.
If you have a issue, inflammation at a particular
joint, a particular area, which all my pro athletes are having
injuries. I have, I have so many teams
that, that, that get the products for the locker room and
they're applying it right at the, at the application side.
Because at the, at the injury side, there's a lot of
inflammation, lot of oxygen stress markers are over there.
And some of the oxygen stress is, is warranted because it, it,
it brings attention to the body part for the body to heal.
But you know, body usually overdoes things.
They just sense too much, too much information to, to deal
with a small problem sometimes. And so punching all these free
radicals is very critical for us.
So yeah, applying at the, at the injury site sometime is
beneficial. But yes, it will work inside
out. So if someone's, you know that
they're dealing with inflammation, they, they put
this on topically, what, what can they expect?
Like how? How long does that process take
for them to be able to notice tangible differences?
So everybody is different. So we the earliest we have seen
people said to see results is it's about 5 minutes.
That's the earliest they've seen results.
And again, this is not a pain gel.
This is not psychedelic, right? Like when, when I talk about 5
minutes, these are the people that have brain fog for almost
2030 years there there's gene mutation where they cannot
produce gliothione and they don't even know they have a
brain fog. They just don't they, they, they
just think that that's the way of life, right?
And they'll play the gluten for the very first time and
literally the tears roll down the cheek, right?
I said, Oh my God, there's something's going on in my brain
right now. I can feel my, my mind just
opening up for the very first time.
This is so weird. And I said, no, this is not a,
this is not a psychedelic by all means.
It's not an opioid or a mushroom or any of those things, right?
This is just gluten in pre oxidative stress markers.
And so that's the earliest of people have seen and and most
people see the results in about two weeks.
And the reason I say two weeks is because I said early on to
make glutathione, you need 3 amino acids, you need 2 ATP
molecules, one NAD molecule and two enzymes.
So when you're delivering glutathione to your, to the body
completely intact, ready to use, it's like putting money in your
wallet. You have to go work, don't go to
job, don't do anything. But they'll be money in your
wallet every single day, right? Imagine what you can do with it,
right? So that's what it is basically,
the body doesn't have to work to produce the glutathione.
It's the the so that's already available to the intracellular
levels to be used up. And so when we do that part, it
is sparing those two ATP molecule and one NAD molecule.
And initially all the spared ATP NAD is extra energy source the
body is using up to do other body functions.
So within the first two weeks people notice that Oh my God, my
energy is increasing. I feel better.
In fact, one of the ladies called me up I think it was last
week and she says that I drink 2 cups of coffee every single day
and this gluten has increased so my energy so much that I don't
need the second cup of coffee anymore.
Can I reduce my dose down because I'm not willing to give
up my coffee today? So I mean it's a good problem to
have, but it just tells us that yes, that's what people notice.
So anyway, from 5 minutes to two weeks is what the most people
notice differences again, some of the metabolic markers that
the doctors are looking for, it may take six weeks to 12 weeks
to get the results in. So if you work in the physicians
and they they're measuring some of the metabolic markers because
of oxygen stress injuries and diseases, the doctors will
retest your blood levels in about 6 to 12 weeks and see the
change in those markers happening like your sugar
levels, your diabetes, your cholesterols, your heart
ejection factors. All those things will start
improving, but it takes time. Again, the doctor will be able
to measure those you know be a blood test for you.
Yeah, this would be super curious for me.
I've done like care analysis test to see, you know, different
electrolyte levels, mineral levels, which also test for
heavy metals. So I could test that alongside
this to see if I'm excluding any more heavy metals.
That'd be an interesting use case scenario for me for sure.
Yeah, I mean the Hemel you're releasing slow amount every
single day. And so it's sometimes, yeah,
it's good to see that part and sometimes it's just knowing the
Hemel are coming out, it's so much better.
So if you just do A1 test after a couple of weeks and see have
the have the metal increase in your urine, if that's the answer
is yes, that means it's working again, removing heavy metals is
is a marathon. It's not a Sprint, OK?
Because every single food elements you eat has a small
amount of heavy metals in there. Every food you eat doesn't
matter if it's organic or, or or inorganic.
So everybody has heavy metals inside the body, everybody does.
The issue is you have too much or not, right?
That's the question. So when it comes to the the
actual solution, so you've got the the IT it's bound to a
polysaccharide, you're saying you're just applying that topic.
What? What else is in it?
I use vitamin C as a stabilizer, so I use ascorbic acid as
stabilizer, but that's about it. Ascorbic acid, some glutathione,
dextrans, part of the polysaccharides and that's what
we create the complex. Once the complex is created, we
put in a water based system so the water outside the complex
can get infected. So we use preservatives comes
from the reddish root extracts instead of using any harsh
chemicals. We only use the plant extracts
to work as a preservative for us 'cause I don't want anything
going inside, inside your body that is not natural to human
bodies at all. And so there's nothing in there
that can that can damage your integrity of your blood,
integrity of your cells. And it's a a spray application
or like a like a salve that you rub on.
It's a spray application. Don't ask me why.
I don't know. I, I, I don't know.
It's just, it's when people ask me, why did you name glutaril?
I said, if you, if you ask a pharmacist to name a product,
he's going to give a, give a chemical name to it, right?
And that's what I did. Why do I put spray?
Because it's, it was easy for me when I first started using it
because I don't want to take a bottle, open the bottle, take a
dropper and put it, put it on my hand and rub it in.
I said, no, that's too much work.
I'm a guy. Just spray it on and just move
on, right? But The thing is the reason I
put spray is also because I want people to open the bottles up
every every day because every time you open the bottle, you,
you put more oxygen inside the bottle.
And that's not a good, it's not a good thing to do either.
If I use a squirt bottle, it squirts too far out and it
splashes everywhere. And you, you lose a lot of
product with a spray, you're the most you lose is about 8 to 10%.
That's the maximum you'll ever lose.
And so when I, when I was doing my calculations, I use a sprayer
to do, do my human trials. That way I know exactly how much
is getting absorbed and what the levels are.
So all I do is adjust the concentration of the product
because knowing the part of the glue that is going to be when
you spray it, something gets sprayed off your body too,
right? And so you lose, you lose the
little bit of the product. And so all those is is accounted
for when I when I made the product.
Gotcha. OK.
That makes total sense. Is there like are there any
studies done that that kind of showcase what the average
glutathione deficiency rates are in a general population size?
Like is there any data on that to show you know, what
percentage of the average standard American, for instance,
is deficient in this? So I don't have the data to cite
for you as a as a point, because I've read so much things in
there. Everything that's comes out as a
common thing is starting about age of 30, starting at age of
30, most popular of the world. I would say world, most
industrial popular of the world. All the big cities are are are
are first world countries. Their levels of gluten is
actually dropping for the first time of what your needs are.
And so that's the description that that we first noticed at
the age of 30. Now in America we are seeing
even young kids in the 20's, the levels are dropping now.
I mean, we see kids at the age of 25 having type 2 diabetes.
I mean that's diabetes supposed to be at the age of 50 or above.
And we see 25 year old kids with type 2 diabetes.
So eating habits have to do a lot with it.
And so average American, I would, I would assume that if
they're otherwise healthy that they can look into using improve
the diet, reduce some toxin load and improve the gluten by just
by doing that about the age of 30 by 35, it should, it should
stabilize that part. So you should still be OK.
But from 35 to 40 is a Gray zone as well is what I see.
After the age of 40. Everybody's deficient, everybody
is and that's what we have found out.
So having this little bit of supplementation that helps goes
a long way. And again, my goal is, you know,
from from the day you're born till the day your death, there's
one time in your life is what determines how long, how long
you're going to live now, which is the day you find that you
have a disease. Once you have a disease that
day, you know that OK, based on this disease, my life experience
is going to be 10 years, 20 years, 2 weeks, whatever that
is, right. So you know the life expectancy
is going to change the day you get the disease diagnosis.
So my goal is to first of all, never get the date of a disease
diagnosis or push it to 6078 years of age if I can do that
part. And the only way I can do that
part is if I keep my oxy stress in check at all times, right?
And so will I be using at the age of 4000 and 10%?
If I have the opportunity to use it 35, would I do it?
Yes, as long as you don't get rash, diarrhea, headaches, you
can take it. At 30, if I can afford it, I
would do it too. Under under the age of 30, I
would refrain from using it. In fact, I'll advise all my
people to please work on your diet and work on your habits
because habits will cure you for rest of your life.
It's a product you have to keep on working to make money to buy
the product all the for, for, for the rest of your life.
And so I would say it's work on your habits, work on your diet,
work on work on your things that you want to avoid.
Things are what you should consume and see if you can fix
those things. Totally, Yeah.
I feel like the a lot of the alarming data that's come out
around like hormonal levels in recent years over the last 50
years, I guess like testosterone and men, for instance, dropping
steadily over the last 50 years, largely due to diet, increased
rates of obesity and obviously increased toxin exposure as
well. But I would imagine if you get
higher concentrating glutathione levels, you can kind of offset
that and hopefully improve hormonal levels too.
It does. So Robert, you are, you're
talking to a company pharmacist over here myself, I've been
dealing with hormone replacement therapy for over 27 years, doing
bioidenticals injections for guys.
I mean, I, I've done it all with when it comes to hormones.
And you're absolutely correct when it comes to the hormone
levels, it's dropping steadily. And it's, it's basically, it's
like is, is something is wrong with us.
You know, if you think about it, the average world population in
a developed country is dropping. The birth rate is dropping.
Why? Is it because we have
infertility issues or people are not getting married or people
are not producing babies? No, because they can't.
Because they can't, right. So hormones are, are actual
levels are dropping and it has to be I know the oxystress is a
big, big component. I know exposure to halimals is a
big deal. Exposure to pollution is an even
bigger deal today. And so there was a chart that I
showed to all my physicians of as well about how do I reverse
breast cancer or, or polysis ovaries in females and things
like that. And I look at it, there's, there
are 10 things they have to go wrong to get this diseases.
And it starts from cigarette smoking, exposure to pollutions,
exposure to cadmium, arsenic, lead, mercury, low levels of
zinc and the list goes and stress reductions, things like
that. There's so many things that have
to go wrong for you to get these diseases.
And So what we thought that those these are supposed to
happen when you have 50-60 years of age.
But now we're seeing breast cancer patients at age of 25 and
30. And so the protection, the
hormones are some protective part of the body too.
Hormones are not all bad. Hormones at the right range can
protect us. Out of range can kill you,
right? That's why we call them Angel of
life and Angel of death. Too much you cannot function,
it'll kill you. Too little, you can't function.
You need the right amount to be flourishing and thriving.
And so, yes, the, I mean like another, another big topic that
Jesus is talking about. But yeah, also stress plays a
big role in, in, in these things.
And 50 years ago I was talking, I was working with, with a, with
a physician 50 years ago. He said that I see also sick
patients maybe once a year. They cannot produce babies.
Now he's he's, he's retired now, but about a few years ago,
before his retirement, he saw one a day.
Yeah, Yeah, that does not surprise me.
It's a sad reality for sure. But I mean the the beauty of the
glutathione is that if you get that coming in, it kind of it
doesn't directly improve hormonal function, but it
indirectly has a massive effect, I would imagine because of the
anti-inflammatory components, the reduction and oxidative
stress and just improves overall internal function.
No, beyond that what you just said was correct.
But beyond that it also helps modulate the CYP 2B1 receptor of
the genes. That's the genes that helps us
detoxify excess amount of testosterone and estrogen out of
the body. Gluten actually helps modules
that, so it can enhance the excretion of of of all these
hormones out of your system. Just keep in mind when the
people take testosterone and, and, and estrogens, what you're
measuring the blood is the active form of those hormones.
What you're not measuring is all the metabolites which are also
toxic. Those toxic metabolites have to
be released, right? And there's all the all the
metabolites are, are all soluble.
So having ACIP enzyme in your liver activate those into making
the water soluble or conjugate to a fiber so you can poop it
out. Those whole pathways are
accurate by, by, by glutathione, and.
The beautiful thing about this glutathione supplementation is
I'm assuming I wouldn't like I compete in natural federation,
so I wouldn't pop on a drug test for, you know, taking, you know,
exogenous hormones. I can take glutathione, which is
naturally produced, and it's just going to improve baseline
levels internally. Absolutely.
So we do. I'll be doing work with a lot of
ball players, professional athletes, Olympic athletes.
They're competing at the highest level.
So it's here's the difference. All my professional athletes use
it for inflammation, pain, agility, mobility and function
better. All my Olympic athletes, guess
what they use it for? What's that?
Neuroplasticity? Because Olympic athletes, if
you're, if you're the, if you're the top ten, the difference
between the first player and the last player player is less than
one second in terms of the reaction time, right?
So how do you get the best there is by having neuroplasticity.
And if I talked about earlier, your brain consumes 20% of all
the oxygen that you breathe in, and yet it's only 2% of the
total body weight. The highest amount of oxygen
stress is in the brain. Quenching all the free radicals
help bring your your your brain function better and and fired
up. That's why Olympia has used it
for that, for that one reasons for neuroplasticity.
Interesting, interesting. All right, well, how do, how do
I get some of this stuff to try? How do I go about getting some
of this and and put it to the test?
Oh, absolutely. So oralwellness.com, AURO,
wellness.com, that's my website. I try to be very educational.
So if you subscribe to my newsletter, I, I put some time
and energy into what people are asking me questions about.
And then I research those information and get it back to
you so that I provide this information to you in a
hopefully in a non commercial way.
So that way you're able to take this information and use it to
apply for yourself. So please, oral wellness.com, we
only have one product. Well, glutarine is 11 product,
but we have two concentrations. If you're looking for what
concentrate to buy, I'm telling you everybody, the lower
concentrate is more than sufficient.
The higher concentration, more is not better.
Unless, unless you know that you are depleted, severe depleted,
unless the doctor tells you to buy this product, unless you
already know that you you're OK with it, with that your needs
are very high, then go for the higher concentration.
Otherwise, everybody, including myself, I just use the regular
Glitterol and that works really good for us.
Got you, got you. I'm actually about to do a full
panel of blood test, hair analysis test, all that good
stuff. So I'll get that baseline and
I'll try this topically and then I'll do a follow up test in 2-3
months, kind of see what the numbers looking like.
But I'm I'm intrigued by this for sure.
Yeah, if you, if you're measuring your blood test, make
sure you measure all the metabolic markers, measure your
measure your little functions, alk phos, liver enzymes,
everything else with that along those lines, of course your
cholesterols and endocrine hormones as well.
And if you can get a chance to measure, measure inflammatory
markers too and see where they are.
I'm hoping everything is normal, but if it's normal and if I can
improve even normal levels to better normal levels, that's
itself is a game changer for a lot of people.
So just like a simple C reactive protein test or something like
that CRP test. Well well, CRP is one of them.
HRCRP is HSCRP. Then you have the homocysteine
levels. Then there's all those
interlockings like interlocking 26 twelves.
It depends on who the doctor is. They may measure some of the
markers. You, you can measure your osteo
stress marker, the MDA levels, the 8 OH levels for H&E.
I'm not sure if they measure those in the regular human test
over here. We do this test in the in the
lab settings all the time. But some of the tests you can
measure them. But those are great tests to
find out what your oxy stress is to begin with.
And we have a study that showed that we can reduce this oxy
stress markers within 4 hours after one application.
Awesome. So that's yeah, I'm intrigued.
This is, I'm always looking for the competitive edge, you know,
anything I need to increase 1%. So I'm I'm all about it.
I'm I'll definitely give this a shot.
This is a .1%. Yeah, .1%.
I mean every, every little bit counts.
So I'm I'm. Intrigued.
That's right. That's right.
Awesome. Well then I really appreciate
the time. What?
What was the website? One more time for people to
listen. It's oral wellness.com, AURO
wellness.com. Perfect.
Well, I will definitely link out to that in the show notes.
Make it easy for people to find you.
I appreciate you fighting the good fight, man.
Like we are aligned and simply wanting to get people healthier.
So if they can improve their detox rates and just improve
overall well-being, I'm all about it.
Absolutely. Thank you very much.
I this is my lifelong work. If you want to support me, I
have a book which is a Glutar Revolution.
It's 20 bucks. It's not much, but it absolutely
my 12 years of research before writing the book out and every
single articles I have in there, it's all my case studies so.
That's on the website as well. Yes, please.
Awesome, I will check that out for sure.
I appreciate you now I've learned a bunch.
Thank you. Thank you.
Take care. Bye bye.