Well, hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes ketose ever.com to
Devon, get special guest jinpa, Taro back the line.
She actually just got done doing a competition where she earned a
pro card in a different division than she won last year.
And I wanted to bring it back on the show to kind of recount that
Jin has been working with me for quite some time.
She is also a deeper State keto coach, she is a friend of mine
and she is a quite accomplished ketogenic athlete.
Now, she has done to competitive seasons and she has one pro
cards at Both of them. So, I want to just bring it on
here and dive a little deeper into what she has learned in
that process specifically doing two back-to-back shows, which I
don't typically recommend, and I don't think she would either,
but that's just kind of how things played out.
And now she has that perspective.
So, she learned a bunch. I learned a bunch and I think it
made for a great conversation that will hopefully educate
Enlighten and Inspire some of y'all.
So, without further, Ado, sit back, relax.
Enjoy the conversation with my good friend client and deeper
stick. You do coach jinpa taro?
We are live Jin, how are you? I'm doing great.
Robert. How are you doing?
I'm doing one. Sure, what this is.
The how many times have we had you on the podcast?
I think it's been like three or maybe four.
Maybe this is the fourth time. I'm not sure.
I've had you down for the DS, K coaching veggie on every day our
first competition and I think I don't know this.
This is at least three times before.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I totally honored.
And thank you so much for having me again.
Yeah, my pleasure. So I'm wanted to get you back on
because you did a competition last year you kick butt with
that competition. We talked about your prep, we
talked about what we do with your nutrition, we can dive
super deep into the Weeds on that with this one as well.
But there's one overarching theme that I would like to dive
into which is things that you've learned in doing a second prep
and things that you've learned in doing a prep right on the
heels of your prior prep, which I think And I get a lot of
requests for from people that are wanting to compete.
Every single unit, always advise them against it.
But with a lot of people you included like we're all
hard-headed type A personality types and you just want to you
know go for broken go. All I am and you don't want to
take time off which I totally understand, but I feel like
you've got some interesting perspective.
Now, having gone through it back-to-back, pretty much.
Absolutely. I have learned so much so much
this go-around and it's true. Like a it's the personality
type, right? Like you just want to go go go.
You want to see yourself? Get better.
You want to take things and and see them improve and quickly.
And then layer on top of the excitement, and the adrenaline
of just being up on a stage and may be earning a medal or two or
perhaps a pro status. Like it's it's just so exciting
and you can't wait to do it again and you think ah a year
that's a ton of time but I have most certainly learned that as
much as the second go-around was successful.
I feel it was successful for me. I do feel that it was harder and
I feel that that might have that I that would have Different had
I waited just a little bit longer and so this time I am
certainly going to wait, I'm going to give myself at least
two years before I put my body through that again for a few
reasons really. And I definitely definitely has
reasons. But for people that did not hear
the first podcast, which they definitely should go.
Listen to, can you give the listeners some some context as
to win that first show? It was because you've only had
two competitive Seasons, not correct.
You're right. Yes, two years back to back.
So 2021, I decided, I think we started to work together
november-december, like, right before beginning of 2021.
And with a goal of hitting a stage in June, because of the
pandemic in the world, not opening up that, show flipped to
Virtual, and I still really wanted to do it.
So went through with the show, I loved it but felt I was missing
out on that stage experience and again the adrenaline and
excitement and oh, I was an elite competitor and invited to
compete at a World level World stage in November.
I really didn't want to pass that up.
And you were so kind to allow me or to, to agree to work with me
and Coach me through a bit of a reverse diet.
I reversed out a little Little bit through the summer but then
it was right back you know end of August beginning of September
right back into a cut for the show in November.
Yeah. I feel like I mean, you had two
competitive Seasons, but last year was kind of interesting
because of that virtual show. I mean, just to give them some
some context. And again, we went deep into
these details in the last podcast, but you started the
primp on the beginning of November 2020 at 144 pounds
consuming around 2,400 calories. Then we doubted you down for
that virtual show in June. And you competed at, let's see
here, 122 and around 1300 calories and then you have a
refeed there. So the average was more like
1,400 calories. Once you average that refeed out
kitto refeed obviously and then we pretty much did a reverse
diet. A mini reverse diet to get you
up to 2,000 calories and then right back into a prep in
August. And you were 127 at that point.
And then we did the bulk of that, you know, prep then or
most most of the work that are being done for that virtual
show. So just kind of like a mini
refeed or many reverse that brother and then right back into
competition prep and you got down to 120 for that show date
and around, 1480 calories on average counting that keto
refeed. And then you just Then we
transition into the reverse that from there and we pretty much
been reversed adding until this year's competitive season and
that started you started at 150 pounds on five 1622 is when this
season's prep started, which I I did recommend, you not do
back-to-back shows but you your body is really responsive.
So I feel like we had a lot of Good things going for us.
I think the main thing was that you sacrifice some potential
muscle building potential by doing that prep.
I don't think you had any innate or modal issues as a result of
doing two back-to-back, preps per se.
But the thing that was interesting that you and I both
found out is that with last year's prep, you started you
start at a little bit lower weight about the same caloric
intake around 2400 calories, but it we had to go.
You were, you were Pretty much coming in at a slightly higher
wait until right there at the very end, I had to get a little
bit more aggressive with the calories because your body
wasn't responding as as as well as it did the year prior because
we hadn't had that significant period at that higher intake
because you pretty much skipped the building phase quote,
unquote. Yes.
And so that added stress that
happened. I was nervous.
Am I going to get there? Yeah, so that was very
challenging mentally and it was also stressful thinking, you
know, my poor body. Like I shouldn't have maybe done
this so quickly. So yeah, that was a huge, huge
learning for me, I assume What happened?
The first go-around would be basically the exact same thing
as what happened, the second go-around, but no ended up
eating a little bit less In fairness.
I mean, I think a lot of it does have to do with, you know, my
body, my hormones. I wasn't quite ready.
I should have given it more time.
I also did this prep slightly different in that.
I don't think I did quite white as much cardio.
So I did, yeah, I did do a few things different but it at the
end of the day, I think a lot of it had to do with my metabolic
State, and my hormones. And I mean, you still did it,
you know, in conditioning. I mean, you still look great.
You brought home some Hardware what was the final placings when
it was all said and done for this show?
So you did one show this year and it was you did three
different. Classes or what did you do?
Exactly. Yeah I decided to compete.
I was a fitness Pro so I competed there but then I
decided to also tackle the wellness category, as well as
the fitness model. So fitness model was just sort
of for fun, part of my cardio, going into this show is dancing.
And I did some hip-hop dancing and then some country dancing.
So I thought it might be kind of fun to rock a bit of a hip-hop
routine onstage so I did that. Yeah and and the wellness and
fitness and you earned another Pro card this year.
So last year, your pro car was in what last year Pro card was
in Fitness and this year that was in the open class, right?
Yes. And this year Pro card was in
one was in Wellness. Wellness.
Are you, are you pretty please with that outcome?
Are you frustrated that you didn't get it in Fitness?
What was your overall take away as far as the placings
concerned? No, no, I think that the placing
I was very pleasantly surprised and happy with the outcome of
the placing for sure to get a second Pro card.
Blew my mind this go-around was was very different.
I mean, there were competitors from Italy and from Australia
and a lot more competitors from the US coming up to Canada for
this. So I was pretty stoked.
To receive a single metal, let alone another Pro card in
another division. So really, really pleased really
pleased with as much as my building phase wasn't huge.
I'm also pretty new to the bodybuilding world.
So some of these new be gains, I was able to build a bit of
muscle in my back and my glutes. So I was happy that that was
noticed on stage and that I think I came in leaner, right?
I know I came in later my weight on stage this go-around was
marginally less than it was last time.
So just the conditioning and in my, I just received actually my
judges reports the other day and that was one thing.
That was really highlighted was how well-conditioned I was up
there. On stage.
Yeah. And your weight was actually six
pounds lighter this year and then it was laughs kind of crazy
because I mean when you looked at when we look at the
spreadsheet based off of the time remaining until showed a
you were trending quite a bit heavier than you were at that
same time frame from the year prior so we were prepared to
bring you in with a fuller look which you know depending on the
day the judges might prefer that it's like some judges will you
know, prefer the Fuller look, some will go for the the more
grainy look. It's all that's why it's just a
subjective Sports and everybody know what they're looking for,
but they're towards the very end, your body just started
really responding to the lower intake that we had to push to
which I hate that we had to push you as low as we did and it
wasn't crazy though. I think even with the with the
refeed that you were having you were still averaging let me see
here. So your show date was on the
12th. Yeah, so with the refeed you are
still averaging 14. 30 a week or day. 14, 30 day.
Once the The Reef it was averaged out so still pretty
solid intake. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. It was, but it was.
Yeah, a little bit lower than last time for sure.
And a little bit added stress. Like I say that the mental game
and the mindsets that you, that you go through through this
process messes with you a little bit and but we were able to
release it at the end just in time.
It was perfect. How do you feel like your cardio
was towards the end? And I mean, with the with us
have to kind of bring that you're doing here, the
StairMaster quite a bit there towards the end.
Yes, that was different. This time last year it was a
coast in and I was wanting to do more cardio but really couldn't.
And this time it was a complete reverse where I had a serious
love-hate relationship with that StairMaster you don't really
doing more than 20 minutes at a time.
The right? We're just Just increase in the
frequency of it. Yes.
Well, we improve 30 minutes. There's a couple days. 30
minutes. Yeah.
Yes, I think I did one day like last Porsche maybe the last
Saturday leading right into peak week.
I decided to dial it up a bit and do 30 minutes but yeah.
And for the majority I was doing 20 minutes on the step now and
then closer to the end, I did step that up to 25 minutes and
then like I say the one day I did 30 and you have a
StairMaster at your house, which is a game changer.
Is it not? Oh my goodness.
Is it ever? Is it ever best piece of cardio
equipment? I think I've ever used and so
thank you for that suggestion. Did not say thank you and I
recommend StairMaster most people hate StairMaster.
No it is. It's a love-hate relationship
for sure, but I think if you're, if you're looking to do a prep,
it's a great piece of equipment to Either at the gym or at home,
for sure. Yeah, 100%.
We'll talk to me a little bit about the The Experience
post-show having done two shows. Now, actually, this is rewind a
little bit. I've always said that the first
prep is the hardest because you lack the perspective, you get
this fear of the unknown. And while this prep was harder
in the sense of you not having ample time between shows and
Staffing to get more aggressive with the calories.
Etc, etc. From a mindset standpoint, And
how would you compare the two? Like, do you feel like having
the perspective of last year show helped you go through this
prep with a little bit more just overall certainty.
I totally think that it did, especially at the start and I
was a lot more sort of stoic and go with the flow and, you know,
what, the scale is going to increase and decrease and based
on water retention and and and all of that.
So I was a lot more easygoing at the start, but then at the end,
it's closer to the end. It was harder for me.
Because I did have that comparison, right?
And I could look back and say, oh well, here's what I was
eating, and here's what I was weighing, oh my goodness, and
look at where I'm at right now, so that added a little bit of
stress, so it's tough. The first time going in, I
wished, I had a comparator second time going in.
I wished I didn't have that comparator so I'd say it's, it's
different mental challenges, but certainly Lee.
You know, mentally. Yeah, mentally challenging.
Either way you slice it. It's not an easy thing to do.
Yeah, I'm actually, I mean, I'm grateful just honey.
This after the show is over, but I feel like as much as I think,
there's benefit in giving your body a whole time between shows,
the fact that you are a coach makes you doing it back-to-back
beneficial, because you can now have that much more credibility
behind you recommendations of advising.
People to take more time off in between shows because if you've
not ever seen the difference, you suggesting people to take
more time as going to carry less weight than having actually
experience the difference, which you now have.
Yes. Absolutely absolutely.
Having a new, a new appreciation and understanding in the more
challenges that you faced that obviously the more you learn and
and therefore yeah the better I think I can help clients because
that's the reality of everybody's lives as we age
things change. As we shift our herb nutrition
as we shift our exercise things. Change and it's not always easy.
We need to, you know, think through things and take our time
with things and give our bodies, the time to recover and are
hormones that are metabolism time.
And so I have a, yeah, totally new appreciation and
understanding for what that really means.
And It already has started to help, you know, in some effect
with some of the coaching that I've been doing.
So, yeah. A great learning experience for
many, many reasons. Yeah, totally.
So what shows you can do 2023. Absolutely.
None little trick question. They're trying to bait you and
see what you're gonna say. Yeah.
I feel like, I mean, you've got a lot of muscle in your frame.
I feel like you build a muscle really quickly.
You've got that going for you. So I'm excited to see what you
can bring to the table. If you give your body, you know,
when a building phase because I feel like you're just going to
come in noticeably better than you ever have before and your
body is going to respond more rapidly than we do Transition to
a prep eventually in the future. I feel like you've got
everything to gain from from, taking more time off between
now, and the next show I think so too.
I think such do and I think that, you know, learning and and
growing through the building phase, I feel like there's a lot
that can be learned there as well about just normal life.
I feel like my life has been so regimented for such a long time
and I like that, I do like it but I feel like I Need a good
amount of time to also, just bend and flex and, and see where
life and nutrition and and fitness takes me, right?
And get a better handle, not a better handle, but just live
life, a little bit more normally for a while, for not just my
body, but for my mind to yeah, there sure.
There's a lot of benefits. I mean like the people that
compete? I feel like not Not, you know, I
don't want this to throw a cloak over everybody, but I think,
generally speaking most competitors in this sport, like
having a very regimented strict routine life that are so you
wouldn't really do it, but I feel like there's a massive
benefit to be had in, you know, experiencing the yin to that
Yang and having a building phase where you can, where you can be
okay with not hitting specific. Macros every single day, not
tracking every single thing putting on a little bit of body
fats and accepting that. I feel like there's a lot of
benefit to be had in all of those components as well.
Oh completely. Absolutely, absolutely.
So we will see what what this next couple of years brings, and
I'm really excited to go through it, you know, for myself live
life, a little bit more normally and and, and share that with my
clients and and help other. Yeah, just do a lot more.
Helping as far as other people go take my learnings and and
share them as much as I possibly can.
Totally, I don't know how open you are to discuss the you and I
had a phone call while back, talking about just the headspace
that you ran with, when it comes to juggling your aspirations
within the fitness space and Tricia space coaching Endeavors
with that of your You know, full-time job as well.
That may be totally a conversation for the day in
which case we can totally keep that conversation for another
day. But have you, I feel like a lot
of people are in your very position.
So if you are open to just kind of just expressing your mindset
towards all of that, I feel like they would be people that find
benefiting it because I feel like a lot of people love Health
Nutrition and fitness. They want to take a leap of
faith and jump into that world coaching and make that the full
time thing. But, I mean, you have a Rate
secure well-paying job doing what you do and knowing kind of
how to juggle. That tightrope is not an easy
thing necessarily No you're right.
It does you know, it does have its challenges, that's for sure
but I eat just it excites me so much to do it.
That I think that carrying out the lifestyle and sharing and
helping others. Really fuels me to be better in
other aspects of my life, as far as being a better mom.
Mom, being a better friend, a better employee.
I think people at work, notice it.
And I was at one point concerned that they might worry, you know,
and think, oh, you're doing all of this outside of work.
But I think that they actually appreciate the fact that I'm
doing that because they're noticing, it's actually
improving, or even amplifying. My efforts at work and seeing a
lot more success there. So I think, you know, if you're
truly passionate about it and it's something that really
genuinely makes you happy embrace it and do it, like
explore it and share it get, you know, I just I think that there
are so many benefits. I know I've Like, I've, like I
said, ever grown as a person and learned a lot throughout all of
it, and I'm just excited to to do more and it's, it's allowed
me to let go of and eliminate some of the things that I might
have been doing that. Really, I didn't need to be
doing So I've sort of focused my life and I'm spending a lot more
of my energy and effort and things that I enjoy and love and
not wasting as much time or spending as much time on things
that that I don't. So I'm just a happier overall,
human being and I think mentally like my frame of mind is just
improved and My attitude like outlook on everything has just
been so tremendously improved throughout this whole journey
and process. And yeah, like I say I'm excited
to take it even further. Yeah I feel like there's a lot.
I mean it's awesome. When you get your own life
together when you figure out what works for you
nutritionally, speaking when you're liberated from any, you
know, food addictions that one has, and you just feel like
you're on the right track, but there's a whole nother.
Level that comes from, taking that knowledge, that wisdom,
that excitement that Zeal that passion and applying it to
someone else's life. And then seeing firsthand as
they benefit from it. And you can't really force it
upon people. But to be able to see them
flourish as a result of something, you've helped them do
not necessarily, I mean, you're certainly not doing it for them,
but you just simply, you know, Point them in the right
direction and the benefit that they experience has such.
Profound benefit on you, however, the coaches.
I don't know, like, for me whenever I have a client that
competes. So whenever I have a client
loses, a goal weight that they've been shooting for its
new PR in the gym or just has better regulation of their blood
sugar. It's just, I don't know, like
it's not my body, it's not my nutritionist, not my health, but
it's like a little wind for me, just the same because I see the
excitement and their voice and their in their eyes and it's
like that. That that is incredibly
fulfilling. Absolutely nothing better,
right? Like I can go through a prep and
and get on a stage and earn a medal.
That's wonderful. But the feeling that you get,
when you are able to help somebody else achieve a goal or
do something or yeah just have that excitement of oh my
goodness. I didn't think I would ever bust
through that 160-pound Mark and I've just done it like it.
Absolutely. Makes my day.
It just I get so much joy and happiness out of that and then
that carries on and it's very cyclical and I feel like I don't
know, just making the world a bit, it sounds cheesy and silly
but the world of very a better place bit by bit and that
excites me and I love it. Nothing better.
You have a, how many kids do you have?
If kids, right? I have 22 kids.
Yeah, I thought. So what do they think about it?
All we think about what you're doing.
They absolutely loved it my daughter, especially, I love
that. It's, you know, I'm setting a
good example, think a good example for my daughter and
she's getting excited and and I can see it's like I can sense
some of the confidence shift in her over the last couple of
years and on it like, I don't toot, my own horn of it.
Like I think a lot of it does have to to do with what's going
on in our family, as a result of what we've got going on with
nutrition and fitness and, and my coaching and Yeah, so it's
been good and the end hard work and dedication.
You. If you commit to something and
you put the effort in, you see the results.
And I know that something, both of my kids are starting to
appreciate and do a little bit more of.
So, yeah, yeah, I've had several clients lately, that have young
female children, like, young daughters that are like, you
know, 14, 15, 16. 17 and their daughters have been struggling
with, you know, disordered eating Tendencies or body image,
self image and coaching. The mother for me has been a
super cool opportunity because I get to see them adopt healthy
lifestyle patterns that they then illustrate to their
children. And it seems that their children
have really taken note of and implemented, which I think it's
just super, super cool. Because I feel like whether
you're in the health and nutrition space or not, you
know, if you're a young girl in society these days there's a lot
of pressure placed on you young guys to a lot of pressure placed
on you to look a certain way way a certain amount and just have
this certain Vibe and, you know, appearance to you and often
times that's not really done and healthy manner but I feel like
for these young girls to be able to see their mothers, who many
of them have likely written off and I go, that's just my mom,
she don't know what she's talking about but to see their
mom transform their physique, Eek via healthy methods.
Like I can't think of a better, you know, practical teaching
modality than that. No, it's so, so, very true.
So, true. And I think such a touchy
subject, right? With young kids, like, with both
male and female kids, but it's something that I feel needs to
be discussed and for them, yeah, to see the example to live the
example and to get a good foundation on nutrition.
And exercise because I don't think that that really happens
all the time. I guess it depends on the school
board depends on the teacher and all the things but I don't know
that that happens in normal life.
So it's been a great opportunity for me to educate both of my
kids because very soon you know they're 11 and they're 13 and
soon they're going to be able to drive to what Ever convenience,
store, whatever fast food restaurant, they will have the
freedom to make their own choices.
And so I've totally both my husband.
And I have taken this opportunity to really try and
educate them around the choices that they make and they're
seeing yes, through me, and then threw themselves now as well.
The impact that the choices you make have on Health and
well-being. And and we don't talk about die
like dieting per se. We talk about being healthy and
strong, those are like that's the language that I really use
with the kids. And I think it's had a pretty
significant effect. I know on my daughter and even
on my son I wouldn't have expected my son to be going
through and thinking some of the things that he's thinking about.
Trician right. And his his own body image but
even for the the little the young boys it's I think equally
is important to have these sorts of discussions so pretty cool.
No, I completely agree. I feel like I feel like the
conversation in the household around being healthy and strong,
makes a lot of sense. I feel like providing foods that
are going to, you know, be in line with that healthy and In
town is making a lot of sense. I feel like a lot of people I've
always been baffled. How parents I've met some
parents that know the stuff that go to the keto conferences,
they'll totally by in Hook Line and Sinker to this, you know,
nutritional protocol. But then they'll, I don't know,
I guess enable their kids to eat and very unhealthy Lifestyle by
simply providing that food to them in the home place.
You know, I feel like if they're too young to go grocery shopping
on their own, why would a parent Not supply those Foods.
Maybe I'm speaking out of turn because my my kids not yet that
age. I don't know, but it feels like
a, like a really low hanging fruit in my mind if they're too
young to drive and you are the breadwinner just simply provide
foods that are in line with their healthy lifestyle.
And that just seems like a sensible thing to do.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
We don't keep that stuff in the house for sure.
But then it is, yeah, it does get they do at this age, they'll
go to a friend's house and they've, they do need to learn
how to make those choices there as well.
So it's just, yeah, super important to to set the example
live it in the household but then at the same time, have them
understand when they go out and they are exposed to these other
new styles of Eating. I don't know, nutritional
protocols, like I say those choices have impacts and you can
you have to make the best choice for you and your health and
well-being is all they is addicted to pickles As You Are
My son is, yes he is. That's your Achilles heel.
It seems it's crazy. I swear I could eat my weight in
pickles. That sodium will certainly catch
up with you. I feel like this is filler
foods, go though, you didn't really have a whole lot of just
high volume low, calorie filler food, this prep.
I think much less. So, compared to last prep, when
you say, I would agree, I would agree.
And I honestly feel like this time as much as I was eating
calorically less I didn't feel as yeah as hungry or as.
Yeah, I did. I had to distract myself as much
from eating, from eating other types of foods, I don't know.
It was interesting. It is interesting.
And it's funny because if you talk to any bro bodybuilder out
there are honestly most conventional dyeing modalities
like you look at most the people that are doing flexible dieting,
which is the, you know, quote unquote, reigning champ within
the natural bodybuilding circles.
They'll often times recommend really high volume calorically.
You know, very low calorie foods, like the miracle.
Rice's like, the big salads, etc, etc.
And I swear, I've done it both ways.
I've been at both. Always even within the ketogenic
realm. And I feel like my overall sense
of satiety and fulfillment has been increased.
When I skip out on all the high volume low, calorie foods and
just stick to the more calorically dense, but nutrient
dense foods as well. So I'm consuming much less
volume but I have much less craving if that makes sense.
Yes. Yes, completely completely and I
don't know, I couldn't I thought is it?
Because I'm just that much, you know, better adapted or is it
that? Yeah, I've just eliminated some
of those higher volume type foods and I don't know.
Therefore my body's just adjusted and adapted and is
totally satiated. So I'm not feeling the need to
to reach for some of those and I think item I mean this is just a
theory but I think that a lot of those high fiber foods high
volume fibrous Foods, kind of inhibit, some of the absorption
of the nutrient density or of the nutrients rather in some
other foods. Like, if you're consuming like,
you know, a bowl of ground beef and Jegs and you know something
like that but then you have a ton of fiber with it.
I feel like that fiber is going to inhibit some of the
absorption of that proteins and fats and that may be playing a
role to that speculative. But that's my theory.
Yeah. No.
That makes sense. That makes sense and could be
like yet certainly what? I experienced so you might be on
to something there, Robert. Yeah, plus wise man, I don't
know. I feel like, I feel like there's
a total difference. In consuming a ton of volume and
having the fullness associated with a ton of volume and the
type of fullness associated with true satiety.
And I would rather, I mean, there's been times where I could
put down, I mean, there was one time in my 2017 prepper, I
literally ate two and a half pounds of Miracle rice, which is
a ton of volume, but, no, no, satiety, like I had this massive
fullness from that volume, but total lack of satiety.
T. And the last prep I did I mean I
would have a very small Tupperware of my caloric
allotment for the day but I would feel more deeply satisfied
from that even though I'm, you know, sacrificing the volume,
then what I was experiencing with the higher volume, fibers
food, so I feel like there is definitely something to it.
Yeah, I do. I completely agree.
And I feel like I just, I just experienced that the other day
when I ate a rather large, Greek salad, and have not put lettuce
in my body or salad in my body and months and months and
months. And Not only was it difficult to
digest and I got bloated and all that we can talk about
microbiome and things changing. But I also felt hungrier the
next day. Yeah, there was a I do remember
messaging by the since like I think some of that GI distress
is likely a result of just your microbiome having shifted since
you were pretty much carnivore throughout the majority of
sports, especially the latter part of the prep.
So your your microbiome change enough where it's probably not
going to be as efficient at processing that vegetation.
But from a societal standpoint that that's kind of what we're
saying here, which is interesting.
Yeah, so interesting and even pre like even pre this show.
I have noticed that in the past. So you might very well be on to
something here that fiber actually inhibits some of the
uptake and so you are not as satisfied anyway, satiated also
an interesting paper that came out.
I haven't dove into this paper and so I probably shouldn't even
talk about on the podcast, but I just thought of it.
So I'm going to throw it out there.
So take this with a grain of salt I did see if paper
published not too long ago that was talking about the protein
not being as satiating as other micronutrients, which is totally
in Conflict, to what the narrative that's been pushed.
As of late, has been a, everybody's on this protein is a
high horse Spectrum right now and protein is very important.
I don't take that the wrong way by any means, but people have
always been saying, you know, protein is by far the most,
satiating of all the macronutrients, if you're not
eating enough protein. And I going to say, Jaden, you
know, it's significantly more satiating than carbs and fats
and then there's a paper that just got published talking about
how there was not a significant increase in overall study
markers. As a result of, I think doubling
the protein intake. Again, I got to look at the
study itself, but it's tiny is an interesting thing, I think so
much of satiety is really based on the individual what they
personally prefer. Yeah.
And that's what I was just going to say because I feel like for
myself personally and of one Yeah, the fats are far more
satiating. I could eat protein.
I feel like I could eat meat, meat protein.
Where, the fats, ya are far more safety but it could be a genetic
thing. It could be a strange, Jen
Patera thing, I don't know. But some I'd be curious to take
a peek at that study to when you get a chance and a lot of people
say, you know, carbs are incredibly satiating.
Like if you were to look Aunt, you know, like a natural non
hyper palatable source of carbohydrates, like a simple
plain baked potato, that would do more to satiate oneself than
eating, you know, Cal equated for dish of something else.
And I disagree in the context, of once you've become fat
adapted, that kind of tips, the scales in one's favor to be able
to tap into that larger fuel Reserve.
So you're just going to have more satiety as a result of
being fat adapted in and of itself.
But Us, I have no desire to eat a plane unflavored a potato.
I mean, it sounds pretty miserable couldn't agree with
you more. And I feel like I would, just
then be hungry a few hours later.
But, yeah, anyways, yeah, no, it's a society.
But there's so many different hunger hacks and just techniques
and tricks, and ways of thinking, of satiety and making
being at a lower caloric intake, more sustainable.
All this is get me itching to get back in the saddle, though.
I'm The compete again, I wish we were all doing a prep at the
same time, but I don't wish that because I don't want you to do a
prep, the sanctum I'm gonna prep.
You can take that. No, I don't think I'll be ready
to do one with you. This go around, but maybe next
time, maybe I'll just wait a little extra long and then we
can all hit the stage together. That would be cool.
Very cool. What is the, what is in the
pipeline? 44:23, if you're not competing,
what Is it what is exciting to you in this this coming year?
Because it's getting pretty close.
I know it's crazy but I am still excited to grow and learn
through others. I am loving loving the coaching.
I am working with some incredible individuals and
excited to do even more. And I feel like through the prep
and and life I just haven't been able to maybe do as much as I'd
like to. So I'd like to And that and and
and continue learning and growing there.
And then for for myself, on a personal level, Leah learning
more about my body. And and this building phase,
like I said I'm pretty. I'm very new to bodybuilding.
I've always loved Fitness, but bodybuilding specifically is
newer to me. So yeah, I'd like to see what
else I can learn. Maybe take some more, take some
Fitness. Training coaching courses and
grow and develop in that area as well as in the nutritional
space. Yeah.
I feel like there's certainly a broad spectrum of, you know,
avenues that you can dive into and it comes to further your
knowledge and when it comes to anything health and nutrition.
I mean, Fitness, I mean, it's just such a, you can go super,
super deep that any given rabbit hole, and it just be a
never-ending cycle of learning, which is good, which I think, I
mean, it's good to never really To reach the Zenith of one's
potential. I feel like always pursuing
further. Knowledge has is a good thing.
Absolutely, absolutely. Lots to be learned for sure.
Lots to be learned in deed will Jin.
It is always a pleasure chatting with you.
Like I said, I feel like, anybody has not listened to the
first podcast or whichever number were on Now.
They should definitely listen to the prior podcast that we did
about your 2021 prep to provide some context for this one, but
the end of the day, I am super glad that you are depressed.
A keto coach, I am glad that you now have the perspective of
doing two shows back to back, so that you can take that
knowledge. Judge into your coaching
Endeavors and I'm proud of you for what you've accomplished
personally with the with the fitness Endeavors.
I mean you absolutely freakin kill it every time you step on
stage and you are honestly a joy to work with because I don't
have to worry about you deviating from the macros are
putting in the work in the gym, except the occasional pickle
over over. But you were pretty honest about
that too. So I had no complaints Oh well,
thank you so much for the kind words but honestly, I just do
what you tell me to do and I feel so incredibly blessed on so
many levels to have connected with you to be coached by you
because that's something we didn't even talk about.
But surrounding yourself with the right support system.
So critical and you have just been a rock for me.
Motivate me. You keep my head on straight
when it needs to be. And yeah, I just, I cannot thank
you enough for all of your help in all aspects of my journey and
yeah, just really, really appreciate it and excited to
continue to work with you. Yeah no it's it's my pleasure.
I mean I feel like we've known each other for quite some time.
We've talked to each other several times and we met each
other for the First time in person at Keno con this past
year. So hopefully, if you're not
competing next year, you should try and get to some more.
These low-carb kids in a comfort is I feel like getting your your
face out there in public with, it would be great.
Oh, I can't wait. And I would absolutely love to
this time. I can actually eat some chicken
wings with you. Yeah.
No. For sure.
Well, I'm super excited for what next year has to bring across
the board for both of us Jin. Where do people go to find out
more about you and dive deeper into your world?
Well, I am on instagrammed and potere.
Okey do fit mom. And I do have a little YouTube
channel where I share some of my like I Vlog some of my
experiences and then good old Facebook, nice, nice, nice,
nice. And if anybody wants to work
with you directly, they can go to a deeper state q 2.com and
sign up through your coaching page.
Oh yes of course. Absolutely, if you are new to
Quito and want to learn more about it and and get started or
if you're somebody who has been doing it for a while, getting a
little bit frustrated and want some accountability, I'm always
happy to support or even if you just want to chat and connect
and you've got a couple questions.
I'm certainly happy to chat with anybody.
I love this stuff and always love to share.
Awesome, awesome. Well, Jen.
Always a pleasure. You're chatting with you.
If you have anything for me by all means, you know how to get
ahold of me, let me know. And just keep kicking, but this
year and then let's take over 2023.
Will do cannot wait, I think engine take care.
Thanks Robert.