1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,700 Well, hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes ketose ever.com to 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,200 Devon, get special guest jinpa, Taro back the line. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,700 She actually just got done doing a competition where she earned a 4 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:12,400 pro card in a different division than she won last year. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,300 And I wanted to bring it back on the show to kind of recount that 6 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,900 Jin has been working with me for quite some time. 7 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:21,200 She is also a deeper State keto coach, she is a friend of mine 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,900 and she is a quite accomplished ketogenic athlete. 9 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:29,400 Now, she has done to competitive seasons and she has one pro 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,700 cards at Both of them. So, I want to just bring it on 11 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:34,100 here and dive a little deeper into what she has learned in 12 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:37,800 that process specifically doing two back-to-back shows, which I 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,900 don't typically recommend, and I don't think she would either, 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,700 but that's just kind of how things played out. 15 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,100 And now she has that perspective. 16 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:47,800 So, she learned a bunch. I learned a bunch and I think it 17 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,400 made for a great conversation that will hopefully educate 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,900 Enlighten and Inspire some of y'all. 19 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:54,200 So, without further, Ado, sit back, relax. 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Enjoy the conversation with my good friend client and deeper 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,300 stick. You do coach jinpa taro? 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,200 We are live Jin, how are you? I'm doing great. 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,600 Robert. How are you doing? 24 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,200 I'm doing one. Sure, what this is. 25 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,700 The how many times have we had you on the podcast? 26 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:21,700 I think it's been like three or maybe four. 27 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:23,100 Maybe this is the fourth time. I'm not sure. 28 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:26,100 I've had you down for the DS, K coaching veggie on every day our 29 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:29,900 first competition and I think I don't know this. 30 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,900 This is at least three times before. 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,700 Yeah, you're absolutely right. I totally honored. 32 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:38,500 And thank you so much for having me again. 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Yeah, my pleasure. So I'm wanted to get you back on 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,900 because you did a competition last year you kick butt with 35 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:50,500 that competition. We talked about your prep, we 36 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:53,600 talked about what we do with your nutrition, we can dive 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,200 super deep into the Weeds on that with this one as well. 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,700 But there's one overarching theme that I would like to dive 39 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:07,100 into which is things that you've learned in doing a second prep 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,199 and things that you've learned in doing a prep right on the 41 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,500 heels of your prior prep, which I think And I get a lot of 42 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,500 requests for from people that are wanting to compete. 43 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,600 Every single unit, always advise them against it. 44 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:21,400 But with a lot of people you included like we're all 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,500 hard-headed type A personality types and you just want to you 46 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:27,100 know go for broken go. All I am and you don't want to 47 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:30,800 take time off which I totally understand, but I feel like 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,100 you've got some interesting perspective. 49 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:35,000 Now, having gone through it back-to-back, pretty much. 50 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:41,100 Absolutely. I have learned so much so much 51 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,600 this go-around and it's true. Like a it's the personality 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,100 type, right? Like you just want to go go go. 53 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:49,800 You want to see yourself? Get better. 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,900 You want to take things and and see them improve and quickly. 55 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,800 And then layer on top of the excitement, and the adrenaline 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,000 of just being up on a stage and may be earning a medal or two or 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:10,400 perhaps a pro status. Like it's it's just so exciting 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,400 and you can't wait to do it again and you think ah a year 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:21,100 that's a ton of time but I have most certainly learned that as 60 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:25,100 much as the second go-around was successful. 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:32,300 I feel it was successful for me. I do feel that it was harder and 62 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:37,700 I feel that that might have that I that would have Different had 63 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:44,600 I waited just a little bit longer and so this time I am 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,900 certainly going to wait, I'm going to give myself at least 65 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:54,700 two years before I put my body through that again for a few 66 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,100 reasons really. And I definitely definitely has 67 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,500 reasons. But for people that did not hear 68 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:00,600 the first podcast, which they definitely should go. 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,700 Listen to, can you give the listeners some some context as 70 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:07,200 to win that first show? It was because you've only had 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,000 two competitive Seasons, not correct. 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,700 You're right. Yes, two years back to back. 73 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:18,800 So 2021, I decided, I think we started to work together 74 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,200 november-december, like, right before beginning of 2021. 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:29,900 And with a goal of hitting a stage in June, because of the 76 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:33,900 pandemic in the world, not opening up that, show flipped to 77 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:37,200 Virtual, and I still really wanted to do it. 78 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:43,100 So went through with the show, I loved it but felt I was missing 79 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:47,300 out on that stage experience and again the adrenaline and 80 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:51,700 excitement and oh, I was an elite competitor and invited to 81 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:56,000 compete at a World level World stage in November. 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,800 I really didn't want to pass that up. 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,500 And you were so kind to allow me or to, to agree to work with me 84 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:08,600 and Coach me through a bit of a reverse diet. 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,600 I reversed out a little Little bit through the summer but then 86 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,400 it was right back you know end of August beginning of September 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,800 right back into a cut for the show in November. 88 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,400 Yeah. I feel like I mean, you had two 89 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,500 competitive Seasons, but last year was kind of interesting 90 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,800 because of that virtual show. I mean, just to give them some 91 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,800 some context. And again, we went deep into 92 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,000 these details in the last podcast, but you started the 93 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,100 primp on the beginning of November 2020 at 144 pounds 94 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:41,700 consuming around 2,400 calories. Then we doubted you down for 95 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:46,100 that virtual show in June. And you competed at, let's see 96 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:52,200 here, 122 and around 1300 calories and then you have a 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,000 refeed there. So the average was more like 98 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,900 1,400 calories. Once you average that refeed out 99 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,000 kitto refeed obviously and then we pretty much did a reverse 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,100 diet. A mini reverse diet to get you 101 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:08,700 up to 2,000 calories and then right back into a prep in 102 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:12,700 August. And you were 127 at that point. 103 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:18,500 And then we did the bulk of that, you know, prep then or 104 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:20,600 most most of the work that are being done for that virtual 105 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:21,800 show. So just kind of like a mini 106 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,200 refeed or many reverse that brother and then right back into 107 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:30,400 competition prep and you got down to 120 for that show date 108 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:35,700 and around, 1480 calories on average counting that keto 109 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:39,000 refeed. And then you just Then we 110 00:06:39,008 --> 00:06:41,100 transition into the reverse that from there and we pretty much 111 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:45,500 been reversed adding until this year's competitive season and 112 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:53,400 that started you started at 150 pounds on five 1622 is when this 113 00:06:53,800 --> 00:07:01,700 season's prep started, which I I did recommend, you not do 114 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:06,500 back-to-back shows but you your body is really responsive. 115 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:09,700 So I feel like we had a lot of Good things going for us. 116 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,400 I think the main thing was that you sacrifice some potential 117 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,900 muscle building potential by doing that prep. 118 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:18,100 I don't think you had any innate or modal issues as a result of 119 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:20,300 doing two back-to-back, preps per se. 120 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,400 But the thing that was interesting that you and I both 121 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,000 found out is that with last year's prep, you started you 122 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,900 start at a little bit lower weight about the same caloric 123 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:36,600 intake around 2400 calories, but it we had to go. 124 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,000 You were, you were Pretty much coming in at a slightly higher 125 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,700 wait until right there at the very end, I had to get a little 126 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:47,300 bit more aggressive with the calories because your body 127 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:51,200 wasn't responding as as as well as it did the year prior because 128 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 we hadn't had that significant period at that higher intake 129 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,500 because you pretty much skipped the building phase quote, 130 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:59,000 unquote. Yes. 131 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:02,400 Yes. And so that added stress that 132 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,100 happened. I was nervous. 133 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:10,400 Am I going to get there? Yeah, so that was very 134 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,800 challenging mentally and it was also stressful thinking, you 135 00:08:15,808 --> 00:08:20,100 know, my poor body. Like I shouldn't have maybe done 136 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:26,500 this so quickly. So yeah, that was a huge, huge 137 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:29,100 learning for me, I assume What happened? 138 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:33,500 The first go-around would be basically the exact same thing 139 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:37,000 as what happened, the second go-around, but no ended up 140 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,100 eating a little bit less In fairness. 141 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:46,600 I mean, I think a lot of it does have to do with, you know, my 142 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,900 body, my hormones. I wasn't quite ready. 143 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:50,700 I should have given it more time. 144 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:55,600 I also did this prep slightly different in that. 145 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,600 I don't think I did quite white as much cardio. 146 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:06,100 So I did, yeah, I did do a few things different but it at the 147 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:10,300 end of the day, I think a lot of it had to do with my metabolic 148 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:13,900 State, and my hormones. And I mean, you still did it, 149 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,700 you know, in conditioning. I mean, you still look great. 150 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,500 You brought home some Hardware what was the final placings when 151 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:20,900 it was all said and done for this show? 152 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:25,800 So you did one show this year and it was you did three 153 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,400 different. Classes or what did you do? 154 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,300 Exactly. Yeah I decided to compete. 155 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:39,000 I was a fitness Pro so I competed there but then I 156 00:09:39,008 --> 00:09:45,100 decided to also tackle the wellness category, as well as 157 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:48,500 the fitness model. So fitness model was just sort 158 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:53,400 of for fun, part of my cardio, going into this show is dancing. 159 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,500 And I did some hip-hop dancing and then some country dancing. 160 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:02,000 So I thought it might be kind of fun to rock a bit of a hip-hop 161 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,200 routine onstage so I did that. Yeah and and the wellness and 162 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,300 fitness and you earned another Pro card this year. 163 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,300 So last year, your pro car was in what last year Pro card was 164 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:22,600 in Fitness and this year that was in the open class, right? 165 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,900 Yes. And this year Pro card was in 166 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:30,200 one was in Wellness. Wellness. 167 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Are you, are you pretty please with that outcome? 168 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,100 Are you frustrated that you didn't get it in Fitness? 169 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,900 What was your overall take away as far as the placings 170 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:44,300 concerned? No, no, I think that the placing 171 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:49,900 I was very pleasantly surprised and happy with the outcome of 172 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:53,100 the placing for sure to get a second Pro card. 173 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,200 Blew my mind this go-around was was very different. 174 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,300 I mean, there were competitors from Italy and from Australia 175 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:07,800 and a lot more competitors from the US coming up to Canada for 176 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,200 this. So I was pretty stoked. 177 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,500 To receive a single metal, let alone another Pro card in 178 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:21,600 another division. So really, really pleased really 179 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:27,700 pleased with as much as my building phase wasn't huge. 180 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,800 I'm also pretty new to the bodybuilding world. 181 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:38,100 So some of these new be gains, I was able to build a bit of 182 00:11:38,108 --> 00:11:44,000 muscle in my back and my glutes. So I was happy that that was 183 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:51,400 noticed on stage and that I think I came in leaner, right? 184 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,800 I know I came in later my weight on stage this go-around was 185 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:58,400 marginally less than it was last time. 186 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,200 So just the conditioning and in my, I just received actually my 187 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,200 judges reports the other day and that was one thing. 188 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,900 That was really highlighted was how well-conditioned I was up 189 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,100 there. On stage. 190 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,500 Yeah. And your weight was actually six 191 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:18,500 pounds lighter this year and then it was laughs kind of crazy 192 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:21,400 because I mean when you looked at when we look at the 193 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,300 spreadsheet based off of the time remaining until showed a 194 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,900 you were trending quite a bit heavier than you were at that 195 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:33,300 same time frame from the year prior so we were prepared to 196 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:37,600 bring you in with a fuller look which you know depending on the 197 00:12:37,608 --> 00:12:40,400 day the judges might prefer that it's like some judges will you 198 00:12:40,408 --> 00:12:43,800 know, prefer the Fuller look, some will go for the the more 199 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,700 grainy look. It's all that's why it's just a 200 00:12:45,708 --> 00:12:47,600 subjective Sports and everybody know what they're looking for, 201 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,900 but they're towards the very end, your body just started 202 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:53,900 really responding to the lower intake that we had to push to 203 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:57,300 which I hate that we had to push you as low as we did and it 204 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,800 wasn't crazy though. I think even with the with the 205 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,400 refeed that you were having you were still averaging let me see 206 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,600 here. So your show date was on the 207 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,900 12th. Yeah, so with the refeed you are 208 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:19,000 still averaging 14. 30 a week or day. 14, 30 day. 209 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,900 Once the The Reef it was averaged out so still pretty 210 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:25,400 solid intake. Yeah, you're right. 211 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,600 You're right. It was, but it was. 212 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,300 Yeah, a little bit lower than last time for sure. 213 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:37,600 And a little bit added stress. Like I say that the mental game 214 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,400 and the mindsets that you, that you go through through this 215 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,600 process messes with you a little bit and but we were able to 216 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,700 release it at the end just in time. 217 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:52,200 It was perfect. How do you feel like your cardio 218 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,000 was towards the end? And I mean, with the with us 219 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,300 have to kind of bring that you're doing here, the 220 00:13:59,308 --> 00:14:01,100 StairMaster quite a bit there towards the end. 221 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,900 Yes, that was different. This time last year it was a 222 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:12,800 coast in and I was wanting to do more cardio but really couldn't. 223 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,500 And this time it was a complete reverse where I had a serious 224 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:21,700 love-hate relationship with that StairMaster you don't really 225 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:23,300 doing more than 20 minutes at a time. 226 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:24,700 The right? We're just Just increase in the 227 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:28,200 frequency of it. Yes. 228 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Well, we improve 30 minutes. There's a couple days. 30 229 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,700 minutes. Yeah. 230 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:40,300 Yes, I think I did one day like last Porsche maybe the last 231 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:42,500 Saturday leading right into peak week. 232 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:45,900 I decided to dial it up a bit and do 30 minutes but yeah. 233 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:50,300 And for the majority I was doing 20 minutes on the step now and 234 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:55,900 then closer to the end, I did step that up to 25 minutes and 235 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:59,600 then like I say the one day I did 30 and you have a 236 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:02,400 StairMaster at your house, which is a game changer. 237 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,700 Is it not? Oh my goodness. 238 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:10,100 Is it ever? Is it ever best piece of cardio 239 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:14,600 equipment? I think I've ever used and so 240 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,400 thank you for that suggestion. Did not say thank you and I 241 00:15:19,408 --> 00:15:21,700 recommend StairMaster most people hate StairMaster. 242 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,500 No it is. It's a love-hate relationship 243 00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:32,000 for sure, but I think if you're, if you're looking to do a prep, 244 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,600 it's a great piece of equipment to Either at the gym or at home, 245 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,000 for sure. Yeah, 100%. 246 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:43,000 We'll talk to me a little bit about the The Experience 247 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,400 post-show having done two shows. Now, actually, this is rewind a 248 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,000 little bit. I've always said that the first 249 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,200 prep is the hardest because you lack the perspective, you get 250 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,600 this fear of the unknown. And while this prep was harder 251 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,700 in the sense of you not having ample time between shows and 252 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:01,300 Staffing to get more aggressive with the calories. 253 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:04,400 Etc, etc. From a mindset standpoint, And 254 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,600 how would you compare the two? Like, do you feel like having 255 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,500 the perspective of last year show helped you go through this 256 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:14,000 prep with a little bit more just overall certainty. 257 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,900 I totally think that it did, especially at the start and I 258 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:26,700 was a lot more sort of stoic and go with the flow and, you know, 259 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,400 what, the scale is going to increase and decrease and based 260 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,500 on water retention and and and all of that. 261 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:40,300 So I was a lot more easygoing at the start, but then at the end, 262 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:44,900 it's closer to the end. It was harder for me. 263 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,100 Because I did have that comparison, right? 264 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,000 And I could look back and say, oh well, here's what I was 265 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,900 eating, and here's what I was weighing, oh my goodness, and 266 00:16:53,900 --> 00:17:00,100 look at where I'm at right now, so that added a little bit of 267 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:03,300 stress, so it's tough. The first time going in, I 268 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,400 wished, I had a comparator second time going in. 269 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:12,000 I wished I didn't have that comparator so I'd say it's, it's 270 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,599 different mental challenges, but certainly Lee. 271 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:22,700 You know, mentally. Yeah, mentally challenging. 272 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,800 Either way you slice it. It's not an easy thing to do. 273 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:28,800 Yeah, I'm actually, I mean, I'm grateful just honey. 274 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,400 This after the show is over, but I feel like as much as I think, 275 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:37,500 there's benefit in giving your body a whole time between shows, 276 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,200 the fact that you are a coach makes you doing it back-to-back 277 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:48,400 beneficial, because you can now have that much more credibility 278 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,000 behind you recommendations of advising. 279 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:53,200 People to take more time off in between shows because if you've 280 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,400 not ever seen the difference, you suggesting people to take 281 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,100 more time as going to carry less weight than having actually 282 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:03,300 experience the difference, which you now have. 283 00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:08,000 Yes. Absolutely absolutely. 284 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,900 Having a new, a new appreciation and understanding in the more 285 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:19,000 challenges that you faced that obviously the more you learn and 286 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,700 and therefore yeah the better I think I can help clients because 287 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:28,000 that's the reality of everybody's lives as we age 288 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,200 things change. As we shift our herb nutrition 289 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,500 as we shift our exercise things. Change and it's not always easy. 290 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:45,400 We need to, you know, think through things and take our time 291 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:52,200 with things and give our bodies, the time to recover and are 292 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,200 hormones that are metabolism time. 293 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,300 And so I have a, yeah, totally new appreciation and 294 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:02,400 understanding for what that really means. 295 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,000 And It already has started to help, you know, in some effect 296 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,600 with some of the coaching that I've been doing. 297 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,500 So, yeah. A great learning experience for 298 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,700 many, many reasons. Yeah, totally. 299 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:21,900 So what shows you can do 2023. Absolutely. 300 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:25,800 None little trick question. They're trying to bait you and 301 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,200 see what you're gonna say. Yeah. 302 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,000 I feel like, I mean, you've got a lot of muscle in your frame. 303 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,800 I feel like you build a muscle really quickly. 304 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,700 You've got that going for you. So I'm excited to see what you 305 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:37,800 can bring to the table. If you give your body, you know, 306 00:19:37,808 --> 00:19:40,200 when a building phase because I feel like you're just going to 307 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,100 come in noticeably better than you ever have before and your 308 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:47,900 body is going to respond more rapidly than we do Transition to 309 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:50,300 a prep eventually in the future. I feel like you've got 310 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:53,200 everything to gain from from, taking more time off between 311 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,300 now, and the next show I think so too. 312 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:03,300 I think such do and I think that, you know, learning and and 313 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,600 growing through the building phase, I feel like there's a lot 314 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,700 that can be learned there as well about just normal life. 315 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:21,700 I feel like my life has been so regimented for such a long time 316 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:27,100 and I like that, I do like it but I feel like I Need a good 317 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:33,500 amount of time to also, just bend and flex and, and see where 318 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:38,000 life and nutrition and and fitness takes me, right? 319 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,000 And get a better handle, not a better handle, but just live 320 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,200 life, a little bit more normally for a while, for not just my 321 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,300 body, but for my mind to yeah, there sure. 322 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,200 There's a lot of benefits. I mean like the people that 323 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,100 compete? I feel like not Not, you know, I 324 00:20:57,108 --> 00:21:01,500 don't want this to throw a cloak over everybody, but I think, 325 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:05,200 generally speaking most competitors in this sport, like 326 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,300 having a very regimented strict routine life that are so you 327 00:21:09,308 --> 00:21:11,900 wouldn't really do it, but I feel like there's a massive 328 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:15,600 benefit to be had in, you know, experiencing the yin to that 329 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Yang and having a building phase where you can, where you can be 330 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,100 okay with not hitting specific. Macros every single day, not 331 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,300 tracking every single thing putting on a little bit of body 332 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:30,000 fats and accepting that. I feel like there's a lot of 333 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,300 benefit to be had in all of those components as well. 334 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,700 Oh completely. Absolutely, absolutely. 335 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:43,700 So we will see what what this next couple of years brings, and 336 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,300 I'm really excited to go through it, you know, for myself live 337 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:56,100 life, a little bit more normally and and, and share that with my 338 00:21:56,100 --> 00:22:00,600 clients and and help other. Yeah, just do a lot more. 339 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,700 Helping as far as other people go take my learnings and and 340 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,700 share them as much as I possibly can. 341 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:14,700 Totally, I don't know how open you are to discuss the you and I 342 00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:18,800 had a phone call while back, talking about just the headspace 343 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,500 that you ran with, when it comes to juggling your aspirations 344 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:29,200 within the fitness space and Tricia space coaching Endeavors 345 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,600 with that of your You know, full-time job as well. 346 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,900 That may be totally a conversation for the day in 347 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:38,900 which case we can totally keep that conversation for another 348 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:41,800 day. But have you, I feel like a lot 349 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,200 of people are in your very position. 350 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,800 So if you are open to just kind of just expressing your mindset 351 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,200 towards all of that, I feel like they would be people that find 352 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,700 benefiting it because I feel like a lot of people love Health 353 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,200 Nutrition and fitness. They want to take a leap of 354 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,400 faith and jump into that world coaching and make that the full 355 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,200 time thing. But, I mean, you have a Rate 356 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:07,400 secure well-paying job doing what you do and knowing kind of 357 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,500 how to juggle. That tightrope is not an easy 358 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:14,000 thing necessarily No you're right. 359 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,900 It does you know, it does have its challenges, that's for sure 360 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:24,300 but I eat just it excites me so much to do it. 361 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:31,800 That I think that carrying out the lifestyle and sharing and 362 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,900 helping others. Really fuels me to be better in 363 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:42,300 other aspects of my life, as far as being a better mom. 364 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:47,000 Mom, being a better friend, a better employee. 365 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,800 I think people at work, notice it. 366 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:57,000 And I was at one point concerned that they might worry, you know, 367 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,100 and think, oh, you're doing all of this outside of work. 368 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:04,000 But I think that they actually appreciate the fact that I'm 369 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,000 doing that because they're noticing, it's actually 370 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:16,000 improving, or even amplifying. My efforts at work and seeing a 371 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,600 lot more success there. So I think, you know, if you're 372 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,000 truly passionate about it and it's something that really 373 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:31,300 genuinely makes you happy embrace it and do it, like 374 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:39,400 explore it and share it get, you know, I just I think that there 375 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,200 are so many benefits. I know I've Like, I've, like I 376 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,400 said, ever grown as a person and learned a lot throughout all of 377 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:57,000 it, and I'm just excited to to do more and it's, it's allowed 378 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,100 me to let go of and eliminate some of the things that I might 379 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:04,400 have been doing that. Really, I didn't need to be 380 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:13,600 doing So I've sort of focused my life and I'm spending a lot more 381 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,400 of my energy and effort and things that I enjoy and love and 382 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,500 not wasting as much time or spending as much time on things 383 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:29,200 that that I don't. So I'm just a happier overall, 384 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:35,800 human being and I think mentally like my frame of mind is just 385 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,200 improved and My attitude like outlook on everything has just 386 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,500 been so tremendously improved throughout this whole journey 387 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,000 and process. And yeah, like I say I'm excited 388 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,500 to take it even further. Yeah I feel like there's a lot. 389 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,800 I mean it's awesome. When you get your own life 390 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,400 together when you figure out what works for you 391 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,800 nutritionally, speaking when you're liberated from any, you 392 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,700 know, food addictions that one has, and you just feel like 393 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,800 you're on the right track, but there's a whole nother. 394 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,900 Level that comes from, taking that knowledge, that wisdom, 395 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:14,900 that excitement that Zeal that passion and applying it to 396 00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:18,300 someone else's life. And then seeing firsthand as 397 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,600 they benefit from it. And you can't really force it 398 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,300 upon people. But to be able to see them 399 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,700 flourish as a result of something, you've helped them do 400 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:30,200 not necessarily, I mean, you're certainly not doing it for them, 401 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000 but you just simply, you know, Point them in the right 402 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,100 direction and the benefit that they experience has such. 403 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,500 Profound benefit on you, however, the coaches. 404 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,300 I don't know, like, for me whenever I have a client that 405 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:46,600 competes. So whenever I have a client 406 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,000 loses, a goal weight that they've been shooting for its 407 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,300 new PR in the gym or just has better regulation of their blood 408 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,400 sugar. It's just, I don't know, like 409 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,700 it's not my body, it's not my nutritionist, not my health, but 410 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:03,500 it's like a little wind for me, just the same because I see the 411 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,600 excitement and their voice and their in their eyes and it's 412 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,400 like that. That that is incredibly 413 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,700 fulfilling. Absolutely nothing better, 414 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,000 right? Like I can go through a prep and 415 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,400 and get on a stage and earn a medal. 416 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,400 That's wonderful. But the feeling that you get, 417 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,300 when you are able to help somebody else achieve a goal or 418 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:31,200 do something or yeah just have that excitement of oh my 419 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,400 goodness. I didn't think I would ever bust 420 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,300 through that 160-pound Mark and I've just done it like it. 421 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,700 Absolutely. Makes my day. 422 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,500 It just I get so much joy and happiness out of that and then 423 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:51,900 that carries on and it's very cyclical and I feel like I don't 424 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:57,300 know, just making the world a bit, it sounds cheesy and silly 425 00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:02,500 but the world of very a better place bit by bit and that 426 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:06,600 excites me and I love it. Nothing better. 427 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,000 You have a, how many kids do you have? 428 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,900 If kids, right? I have 22 kids. 429 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,800 Yeah, I thought. So what do they think about it? 430 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,700 All we think about what you're doing. 431 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:23,100 They absolutely loved it my daughter, especially, I love 432 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:26,800 that. It's, you know, I'm setting a 433 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,900 good example, think a good example for my daughter and 434 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:34,900 she's getting excited and and I can see it's like I can sense 435 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:40,900 some of the confidence shift in her over the last couple of 436 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:45,200 years and on it like, I don't toot, my own horn of it. 437 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Like I think a lot of it does have to to do with what's going 438 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,400 on in our family, as a result of what we've got going on with 439 00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:00,500 nutrition and fitness and, and my coaching and Yeah, so it's 440 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,200 been good and the end hard work and dedication. 441 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,400 You. If you commit to something and 442 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400 you put the effort in, you see the results. 443 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,900 And I know that something, both of my kids are starting to 444 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,300 appreciate and do a little bit more of. 445 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:24,200 So, yeah, yeah, I've had several clients lately, that have young 446 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,700 female children, like, young daughters that are like, you 447 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:32,800 know, 14, 15, 16. 17 and their daughters have been struggling 448 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,500 with, you know, disordered eating Tendencies or body image, 449 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:42,000 self image and coaching. The mother for me has been a 450 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,500 super cool opportunity because I get to see them adopt healthy 451 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:49,200 lifestyle patterns that they then illustrate to their 452 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,800 children. And it seems that their children 453 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,500 have really taken note of and implemented, which I think it's 454 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,700 just super, super cool. Because I feel like whether 455 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,600 you're in the health and nutrition space or not, you 456 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,900 know, if you're a young girl in society these days there's a lot 457 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,400 of pressure placed on you young guys to a lot of pressure placed 458 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,200 on you to look a certain way way a certain amount and just have 459 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200 this certain Vibe and, you know, appearance to you and often 460 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600 times that's not really done and healthy manner but I feel like 461 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,600 for these young girls to be able to see their mothers, who many 462 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000 of them have likely written off and I go, that's just my mom, 463 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,500 she don't know what she's talking about but to see their 464 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:31,300 mom transform their physique, Eek via healthy methods. 465 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,700 Like I can't think of a better, you know, practical teaching 466 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:39,200 modality than that. No, it's so, so, very true. 467 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:43,100 So, true. And I think such a touchy 468 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,000 subject, right? With young kids, like, with both 469 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,300 male and female kids, but it's something that I feel needs to 470 00:30:54,300 --> 00:31:00,300 be discussed and for them, yeah, to see the example to live the 471 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:06,600 example and to get a good foundation on nutrition. 472 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,400 And exercise because I don't think that that really happens 473 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,000 all the time. I guess it depends on the school 474 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,900 board depends on the teacher and all the things but I don't know 475 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,800 that that happens in normal life. 476 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:27,600 So it's been a great opportunity for me to educate both of my 477 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,900 kids because very soon you know they're 11 and they're 13 and 478 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:37,900 soon they're going to be able to drive to what Ever convenience, 479 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:43,200 store, whatever fast food restaurant, they will have the 480 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,300 freedom to make their own choices. 481 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,100 And so I've totally both my husband. 482 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:52,400 And I have taken this opportunity to really try and 483 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,900 educate them around the choices that they make and they're 484 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:01,500 seeing yes, through me, and then threw themselves now as well. 485 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:07,200 The impact that the choices you make have on Health and 486 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,300 well-being. And and we don't talk about die 487 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:15,500 like dieting per se. We talk about being healthy and 488 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:20,900 strong, those are like that's the language that I really use 489 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,500 with the kids. And I think it's had a pretty 490 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,200 significant effect. I know on my daughter and even 491 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,300 on my son I wouldn't have expected my son to be going 492 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,400 through and thinking some of the things that he's thinking about. 493 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:42,300 Trician right. And his his own body image but 494 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:47,600 even for the the little the young boys it's I think equally 495 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,400 is important to have these sorts of discussions so pretty cool. 496 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,900 No, I completely agree. I feel like I feel like the 497 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:59,500 conversation in the household around being healthy and strong, 498 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,800 makes a lot of sense. I feel like providing foods that 499 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,900 are going to, you know, be in line with that healthy and In 500 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:10,000 town is making a lot of sense. I feel like a lot of people I've 501 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,200 always been baffled. How parents I've met some 502 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200 parents that know the stuff that go to the keto conferences, 503 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,200 they'll totally by in Hook Line and Sinker to this, you know, 504 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,200 nutritional protocol. But then they'll, I don't know, 505 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,400 I guess enable their kids to eat and very unhealthy Lifestyle by 506 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,500 simply providing that food to them in the home place. 507 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,700 You know, I feel like if they're too young to go grocery shopping 508 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,100 on their own, why would a parent Not supply those Foods. 509 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,200 Maybe I'm speaking out of turn because my my kids not yet that 510 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,200 age. I don't know, but it feels like 511 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,100 a, like a really low hanging fruit in my mind if they're too 512 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,900 young to drive and you are the breadwinner just simply provide 513 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,600 foods that are in line with their healthy lifestyle. 514 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,400 And that just seems like a sensible thing to do. 515 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 516 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,600 We don't keep that stuff in the house for sure. 517 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,600 But then it is, yeah, it does get they do at this age, they'll 518 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,300 go to a friend's house and they've, they do need to learn 519 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,300 how to make those choices there as well. 520 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:22,800 So it's just, yeah, super important to to set the example 521 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,300 live it in the household but then at the same time, have them 522 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:32,600 understand when they go out and they are exposed to these other 523 00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:38,199 new styles of Eating. I don't know, nutritional 524 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:46,300 protocols, like I say those choices have impacts and you can 525 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,600 you have to make the best choice for you and your health and 526 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,300 well-being is all they is addicted to pickles As You Are 527 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:02,200 My son is, yes he is. That's your Achilles heel. 528 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,300 It seems it's crazy. I swear I could eat my weight in 529 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,600 pickles. That sodium will certainly catch 530 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,000 up with you. I feel like this is filler 531 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600 foods, go though, you didn't really have a whole lot of just 532 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,100 high volume low, calorie filler food, this prep. 533 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,500 I think much less. So, compared to last prep, when 534 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:28,900 you say, I would agree, I would agree. 535 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:34,100 And I honestly feel like this time as much as I was eating 536 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:43,000 calorically less I didn't feel as yeah as hungry or as. 537 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,200 Yeah, I did. I had to distract myself as much 538 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:53,100 from eating, from eating other types of foods, I don't know. 539 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,000 It was interesting. It is interesting. 540 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,300 And it's funny because if you talk to any bro bodybuilder out 541 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,500 there are honestly most conventional dyeing modalities 542 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,200 like you look at most the people that are doing flexible dieting, 543 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,500 which is the, you know, quote unquote, reigning champ within 544 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:08,900 the natural bodybuilding circles. 545 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,900 They'll often times recommend really high volume calorically. 546 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,100 You know, very low calorie foods, like the miracle. 547 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,100 Rice's like, the big salads, etc, etc. 548 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,500 And I swear, I've done it both ways. 549 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,800 I've been at both. Always even within the ketogenic 550 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,500 realm. And I feel like my overall sense 551 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:35,000 of satiety and fulfillment has been increased. 552 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,700 When I skip out on all the high volume low, calorie foods and 553 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,600 just stick to the more calorically dense, but nutrient 554 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,700 dense foods as well. So I'm consuming much less 555 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:49,100 volume but I have much less craving if that makes sense. 556 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,300 Yes. Yes, completely completely and I 557 00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,200 don't know, I couldn't I thought is it? 558 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,600 Because I'm just that much, you know, better adapted or is it 559 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,900 that? Yeah, I've just eliminated some 560 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:11,800 of those higher volume type foods and I don't know. 561 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,000 Therefore my body's just adjusted and adapted and is 562 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,400 totally satiated. So I'm not feeling the need to 563 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,400 to reach for some of those and I think item I mean this is just a 564 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,300 theory but I think that a lot of those high fiber foods high 565 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,300 volume fibrous Foods, kind of inhibit, some of the absorption 566 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,500 of the nutrient density or of the nutrients rather in some 567 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,000 other foods. Like, if you're consuming like, 568 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:42,900 you know, a bowl of ground beef and Jegs and you know something 569 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,300 like that but then you have a ton of fiber with it. 570 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,200 I feel like that fiber is going to inhibit some of the 571 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,500 absorption of that proteins and fats and that may be playing a 572 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:53,400 role to that speculative. But that's my theory. 573 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,200 Yeah. No. 574 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,100 That makes sense. That makes sense and could be 575 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:03,100 like yet certainly what? I experienced so you might be on 576 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:06,800 to something there, Robert. Yeah, plus wise man, I don't 577 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,700 know. I feel like, I feel like there's 578 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:14,300 a total difference. In consuming a ton of volume and 579 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:18,400 having the fullness associated with a ton of volume and the 580 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800 type of fullness associated with true satiety. 581 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,500 And I would rather, I mean, there's been times where I could 582 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,700 put down, I mean, there was one time in my 2017 prepper, I 583 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,600 literally ate two and a half pounds of Miracle rice, which is 584 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:37,600 a ton of volume, but, no, no, satiety, like I had this massive 585 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:41,100 fullness from that volume, but total lack of satiety. 586 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,700 T. And the last prep I did I mean I 587 00:38:43,707 --> 00:38:46,800 would have a very small Tupperware of my caloric 588 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,300 allotment for the day but I would feel more deeply satisfied 589 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,700 from that even though I'm, you know, sacrificing the volume, 590 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,200 then what I was experiencing with the higher volume, fibers 591 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,300 food, so I feel like there is definitely something to it. 592 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:04,000 Yeah, I do. I completely agree. 593 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:08,200 And I feel like I just, I just experienced that the other day 594 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,700 when I ate a rather large, Greek salad, and have not put lettuce 595 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,600 in my body or salad in my body and months and months and 596 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,700 months. And Not only was it difficult to 597 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,900 digest and I got bloated and all that we can talk about 598 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:29,900 microbiome and things changing. But I also felt hungrier the 599 00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:35,400 next day. Yeah, there was a I do remember 600 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,300 messaging by the since like I think some of that GI distress 601 00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:44,000 is likely a result of just your microbiome having shifted since 602 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800 you were pretty much carnivore throughout the majority of 603 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,100 sports, especially the latter part of the prep. 604 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,000 So your your microbiome change enough where it's probably not 605 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000 going to be as efficient at processing that vegetation. 606 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,400 But from a societal standpoint that that's kind of what we're 607 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,700 saying here, which is interesting. 608 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,900 Yeah, so interesting and even pre like even pre this show. 609 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:11,100 I have noticed that in the past. So you might very well be on to 610 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:15,200 something here that fiber actually inhibits some of the 611 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:22,500 uptake and so you are not as satisfied anyway, satiated also 612 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:23,800 an interesting paper that came out. 613 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,200 I haven't dove into this paper and so I probably shouldn't even 614 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,000 talk about on the podcast, but I just thought of it. 615 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,200 So I'm going to throw it out there. 616 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,500 So take this with a grain of salt I did see if paper 617 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:38,400 published not too long ago that was talking about the protein 618 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,600 not being as satiating as other micronutrients, which is totally 619 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,200 in Conflict, to what the narrative that's been pushed. 620 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,900 As of late, has been a, everybody's on this protein is a 621 00:40:49,908 --> 00:40:52,400 high horse Spectrum right now and protein is very important. 622 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,600 I don't take that the wrong way by any means, but people have 623 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200 always been saying, you know, protein is by far the most, 624 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,000 satiating of all the macronutrients, if you're not 625 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,200 eating enough protein. And I going to say, Jaden, you 626 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,400 know, it's significantly more satiating than carbs and fats 627 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,000 and then there's a paper that just got published talking about 628 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,500 how there was not a significant increase in overall study 629 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,900 markers. As a result of, I think doubling 630 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,800 the protein intake. Again, I got to look at the 631 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,300 study itself, but it's tiny is an interesting thing, I think so 632 00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:23,100 much of satiety is really based on the individual what they 633 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,900 personally prefer. Yeah. 634 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,700 And that's what I was just going to say because I feel like for 635 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:35,700 myself personally and of one Yeah, the fats are far more 636 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,300 satiating. I could eat protein. 637 00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:42,500 I feel like I could eat meat, meat protein. 638 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,900 Where, the fats, ya are far more safety but it could be a genetic 639 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,600 thing. It could be a strange, Jen 640 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,100 Patera thing, I don't know. But some I'd be curious to take 641 00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,900 a peek at that study to when you get a chance and a lot of people 642 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,900 say, you know, carbs are incredibly satiating. 643 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:06,300 Like if you were to look Aunt, you know, like a natural non 644 00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,300 hyper palatable source of carbohydrates, like a simple 645 00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:12,600 plain baked potato, that would do more to satiate oneself than 646 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,200 eating, you know, Cal equated for dish of something else. 647 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,700 And I disagree in the context, of once you've become fat 648 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:26,300 adapted, that kind of tips, the scales in one's favor to be able 649 00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:27,700 to tap into that larger fuel Reserve. 650 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:29,800 So you're just going to have more satiety as a result of 651 00:42:29,808 --> 00:42:31,300 being fat adapted in and of itself. 652 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,900 But Us, I have no desire to eat a plane unflavored a potato. 653 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:41,200 I mean, it sounds pretty miserable couldn't agree with 654 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,400 you more. And I feel like I would, just 655 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,500 then be hungry a few hours later. 656 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:50,200 But, yeah, anyways, yeah, no, it's a society. 657 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,100 But there's so many different hunger hacks and just techniques 658 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:57,000 and tricks, and ways of thinking, of satiety and making 659 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,600 being at a lower caloric intake, more sustainable. 660 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600 All this is get me itching to get back in the saddle, though. 661 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,600 I'm The compete again, I wish we were all doing a prep at the 662 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,900 same time, but I don't wish that because I don't want you to do a 663 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,100 prep, the sanctum I'm gonna prep. 664 00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,700 You can take that. No, I don't think I'll be ready 665 00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,700 to do one with you. This go around, but maybe next 666 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:23,800 time, maybe I'll just wait a little extra long and then we 667 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,600 can all hit the stage together. That would be cool. 668 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,600 Very cool. What is the, what is in the 669 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,900 pipeline? 44:23, if you're not competing, 670 00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,600 what Is it what is exciting to you in this this coming year? 671 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,800 Because it's getting pretty close. 672 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:43,500 I know it's crazy but I am still excited to grow and learn 673 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:50,100 through others. I am loving loving the coaching. 674 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:53,700 I am working with some incredible individuals and 675 00:43:53,700 --> 00:44:01,200 excited to do even more. And I feel like through the prep 676 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,800 and and life I just haven't been able to maybe do as much as I'd 677 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,900 like to. So I'd like to And that and and 678 00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,400 and continue learning and growing there. 679 00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,600 And then for for myself, on a personal level, Leah learning 680 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,000 more about my body. And and this building phase, 681 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,000 like I said I'm pretty. I'm very new to bodybuilding. 682 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400 I've always loved Fitness, but bodybuilding specifically is 683 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,200 newer to me. So yeah, I'd like to see what 684 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,600 else I can learn. Maybe take some more, take some 685 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:44,400 Fitness. Training coaching courses and 686 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,300 grow and develop in that area as well as in the nutritional 687 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,600 space. Yeah. 688 00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,200 I feel like there's certainly a broad spectrum of, you know, 689 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,300 avenues that you can dive into and it comes to further your 690 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:58,200 knowledge and when it comes to anything health and nutrition. 691 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,700 I mean, Fitness, I mean, it's just such a, you can go super, 692 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:04,200 super deep that any given rabbit hole, and it just be a 693 00:45:04,207 --> 00:45:07,100 never-ending cycle of learning, which is good, which I think, I 694 00:45:07,107 --> 00:45:10,300 mean, it's good to never really To reach the Zenith of one's 695 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:12,400 potential. I feel like always pursuing 696 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,200 further. Knowledge has is a good thing. 697 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,800 Absolutely, absolutely. Lots to be learned for sure. 698 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,500 Lots to be learned in deed will Jin. 699 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,600 It is always a pleasure chatting with you. 700 00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,800 Like I said, I feel like, anybody has not listened to the 701 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,700 first podcast or whichever number were on Now. 702 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:31,900 They should definitely listen to the prior podcast that we did 703 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,700 about your 2021 prep to provide some context for this one, but 704 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:40,100 the end of the day, I am super glad that you are depressed. 705 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,600 A keto coach, I am glad that you now have the perspective of 706 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,600 doing two shows back to back, so that you can take that 707 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,200 knowledge. Judge into your coaching 708 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,000 Endeavors and I'm proud of you for what you've accomplished 709 00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,200 personally with the with the fitness Endeavors. 710 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,400 I mean you absolutely freakin kill it every time you step on 711 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,600 stage and you are honestly a joy to work with because I don't 712 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,500 have to worry about you deviating from the macros are 713 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,900 putting in the work in the gym, except the occasional pickle 714 00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:08,900 over over. But you were pretty honest about 715 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:12,400 that too. So I had no complaints Oh well, 716 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,900 thank you so much for the kind words but honestly, I just do 717 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:22,400 what you tell me to do and I feel so incredibly blessed on so 718 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:29,100 many levels to have connected with you to be coached by you 719 00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,000 because that's something we didn't even talk about. 720 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,400 But surrounding yourself with the right support system. 721 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,600 So critical and you have just been a rock for me. 722 00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,400 Motivate me. You keep my head on straight 723 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,100 when it needs to be. And yeah, I just, I cannot thank 724 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:56,900 you enough for all of your help in all aspects of my journey and 725 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,800 yeah, just really, really appreciate it and excited to 726 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,000 continue to work with you. Yeah no it's it's my pleasure. 727 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,600 I mean I feel like we've known each other for quite some time. 728 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,500 We've talked to each other several times and we met each 729 00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:12,800 other for the First time in person at Keno con this past 730 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800 year. So hopefully, if you're not 731 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,400 competing next year, you should try and get to some more. 732 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,800 These low-carb kids in a comfort is I feel like getting your your 733 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,800 face out there in public with, it would be great. 734 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,100 Oh, I can't wait. And I would absolutely love to 735 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,400 this time. I can actually eat some chicken 736 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,700 wings with you. Yeah. 737 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,700 No. For sure. 738 00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,000 Well, I'm super excited for what next year has to bring across 739 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,100 the board for both of us Jin. Where do people go to find out 740 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:43,700 more about you and dive deeper into your world? 741 00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,900 Well, I am on instagrammed and potere. 742 00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:53,300 Okey do fit mom. And I do have a little YouTube 743 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:58,300 channel where I share some of my like I Vlog some of my 744 00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:04,600 experiences and then good old Facebook, nice, nice, nice, 745 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,000 nice. And if anybody wants to work 746 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,000 with you directly, they can go to a deeper state q 2.com and 747 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,700 sign up through your coaching page. 748 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,700 Oh yes of course. Absolutely, if you are new to 749 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:23,800 Quito and want to learn more about it and and get started or 750 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,700 if you're somebody who has been doing it for a while, getting a 751 00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:30,400 little bit frustrated and want some accountability, I'm always 752 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,800 happy to support or even if you just want to chat and connect 753 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,300 and you've got a couple questions. 754 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:38,500 I'm certainly happy to chat with anybody. 755 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,200 I love this stuff and always love to share. 756 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,300 Awesome, awesome. Well, Jen. 757 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,800 Always a pleasure. You're chatting with you. 758 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,700 If you have anything for me by all means, you know how to get 759 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:50,000 ahold of me, let me know. And just keep kicking, but this 760 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,600 year and then let's take over 2023. 761 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,600 Will do cannot wait, I think engine take care. 762 00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,400 Thanks Robert.