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Well, hello ladies and gents. 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Serena music on the line and we 

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dive deep into her carnivore 
transformation. 

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So she got long COVID back in 
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She was in all different kinds 
of diets. 

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Nothing worked. 
She couldn't taste or smell 

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anything. 
She was having extreme nausea, 

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couldn't keep any food down. 
So she started doing Carnivore. 

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And that worked wonderfully well
for she's been doing strict 

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carnivore now for the past two 
years. 

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So we dove into what that 
journey has been like. 

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She also homeschools her four 
kids and I kind of want to pick 

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your brain there and see how 
that's worked for. 

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So we talked about corner where 
we talked about home school, we 

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talked about a little bit of 
everything. 

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Third, enjoy the conversation. 
I've got no depth that you will 

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take something from it. 
So that further ado, sit back, 

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relax, enjoy the podcast with 
Serena and we are live. 

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Serena, how are you today? 
I'm great. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully well. 

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I'm excited to be chatting with 
you. 

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We finally got the podcasting 
thing figured out. 

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We didn't know if you were 
coming on my show, if I was 

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coming on your show. 
But here you are, my show. 

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So that's the main thing. 
We're all here together. 

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That's right, It all worked out 
in the end. 

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All worked out in the end. 
So let me get a little back 

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store on you. 
So you've been in the Carnivo 

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diet strictly now. 
For how long in total? 

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A little over 2 years a month. 
Two years in a month? 

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Yeah. 
Nice. 

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You know, whenever somebody's 
got zero carb in their Instagram

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bio, they mean business. 
That is, you are darn right I 

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was trying to heal some stuff. 
Well, what was the motivation 

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behind going Carnivore, cuz a 
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is pretty hot right now. 
A lot of people are doing it, 

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but whenever somebody's been 
doing it for two years plus like

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yourself, like there's obviously
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well for you. 
So what was that you were 

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recovering from? 
Well, initially when I started 

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it was because of a long haul 
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still have actually from having 
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And I lost my sense of taste and
smell when it came back. 

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It was very muted for about 3 
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like putrid like. 
Just distorted. 

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Most things Smelled like a 
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Actually, I guess it was 2020 
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now. 
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COVID and things smelled like a 
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Somebody had lit on fire like it
was it was hard to survive for 

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like 2 months. 
It was like I was nauseous all 

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the time. 
Everything. 

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We we go roller skating on 
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We helped school our kids and we
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Wednesday mornings and I could 
tell every time they dropped a 

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new batch of fries. 
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the rink, I would have to wear a
sweater and put the sweater over

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my mouth. 
I mean, it was just really, 

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really terrible. 
And the only thing that tasted 

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and smelled right were sweet 
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So my girls have a gluten free 
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and sell at the farmers market 
and we would come home with what

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was left over. 
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that for about 3 months. 
It was all I could eat. 

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It was the only thing that 
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I could eat like a hamburger 
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but it couldn't be refrigerated 
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It's just this really bizarre. 
There's some sort of. 

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Chemical reaction when you 
refrigerate it after it's cooked

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and then try to reheat it, I 
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horrible. 
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sugar and my birthday came 
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turning 48 and the girls were 
like, do you want us to make you

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your favorite gluten free 
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And I said yes and double the 
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It was like I was so stressed 
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I was crying every day. 
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You know, 15 different 
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that people said would help with
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I had bought this little red, 
red light therapy thing that you

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stick up your nose to try to fix
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I mean, I was just miserable. 
I was gaining weight, I was 

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bloated, I was puffy. 
And I had gone to that from 

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juicing, eating, You know, 75% 
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and vegetables. 
My blood work wasn't good 

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though, even though I was eating
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I was eating lots of leaky 
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I felt like I was eating like 
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And then this happened. 
And I was more bloated and more 

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puffy than I even was before. 
I was really frustrated. 

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I was about £8.00 for my goal 
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this started and I was just 
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And so I that was on a on a 
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hours and I woke up on Monday 
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I got to stop this and I had 
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keto and it turns out I had done
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knowing that's what it was. 
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A muscle response testing 
doctor, like a nutrition doctor 

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put me on a very low carb diet 
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And he I just, I'm an all or 
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And I thought, well, if low 
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must be better. 
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basically did carbore, but I 
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And then, of course, went back 
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that's what we do as humans and 
we don't. 

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See results and we don't feel 
right and all that kind of 

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stuff. 
We just, you know typically go 

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back to what we know. 
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time. 
And so anyway, I woke up on 

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Monday morning after my birthday
and 20 cupcakes in 36 hours 

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because I was a Ben Jeter and I 
said okay. 

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I got to stop this and I had had
eating disorders and disordered 

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eating since I was 12. 
So that's 36 years of disordered

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eating and I went carnivore 
overnight and just dove in head 

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first to. 
Podcasts and YouTube videos and 

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Instagram pages and just 
bombarded myself with this 

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information. 
But it wasn't to lose weight and

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it honestly wasn't to heal 
autoimmune things or anything 

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like that. 
It was just because of this 

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taste and smell issue. 
Fruits and vegetables tasted and

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smelled rotten. 
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was sugar. 
And so I thought, well, if I can

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just eat a hamburger and a steak
fresh off the grill, then that's

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what I'm going to have to do. 
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And so that very day, I just ate
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And I was like okay, you know. 
So I made it through one day. 

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And meanwhile, I'm just 
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this information. 
And it took about six months. 

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I had. 
I actually gained weight because

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I wasn't eating enough and I was
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there's all this talk about 
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So I was miserable, but felt 
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And it was about six months in 
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that although my taste and smell
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better mentally, like I didn't. 
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I didn't want the sweets 
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I didn't want to binge anymore. 
You know, you don't binge on 

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steak. 
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popcorn and cake and cupcakes 
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months in, I just all of a 
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didn't think about it anymore. 
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eating and being obsessed with 
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I mean, I was obsessed with 
food, but in a totally different

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way. 
Like, I couldn't wait for my 

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next steak or my next piece of 
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It's a totally different 
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But, but yeah, so I didn't go 
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weight. 
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It wasn't even to heal 
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It was because I had to quit 
eating the sugar because I had 

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hit rock bottom, kind of like an
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And I woke up that Monday 
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miserable and said something's 
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And that was the change I made. 
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carnivore was. 
I just knew that all I could eat

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was a hamburger fresh off the 
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strip. 
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And I was having to grill things
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That was all I knew was that 
these were the two things that I

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could eat that didn't make me 
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And that's how I got started. 
That's how it started for me. 

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So before, so right before you 
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pretty much like a plant based 
juicing diet, more or less. 

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I was also eating very lean 
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It was really, I was falling 
kind of Weight Watchers with the

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really low points. 
You know, and lots of some sugar

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free things of course, you know 
the sugar free muffins you can 

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buy online and smart sweets, you
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bears and gummy worms and stuff 
made with whatever sweetener, 

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you know, because it fit in my 
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But then after I had COVID, I 
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the Weight Watchers plan at that
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But I was juicing. 
I was eating lots and lots of 

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vegetables, not so many fruits 
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eating like chicken breast and. 
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and some ground chicken. 
I probably hadn't had red meat 

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in close to a year because it's 
bad for me and because it has so

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much bad in it. 
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Did you feel pretty good? 
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pretty good at that point? 
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you're still struggling with the
cravings for the sweets, but 

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like, did you feel and recover 
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I think so, but I have to 
preface that with that I felt 

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like I think a normal. 48 year 
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alarm goes off. 
I hit snooze two or three times 

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because I don't want to get up. 
And then when I do get up, I sit

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on the other edge of the bed for
a couple of minutes and kind of 

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stretch. 
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of hunched over for the first 
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And you know, like you got to 
stretch, you got to wake your 

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body up, you know, I thought all
those things were normal. 

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I thought I would wake up and I 
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sometimes, is this what getting 
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Like we, why do we feel like 
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You know, like it happened 
sooner than I thought it should 

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happen. 
Turns out it's probably lots of 

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oxalates, you know, but I didn't
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But yeah, I mean, I felt pretty 
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I'm, you know, I was running 
several times a week. 

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I was lifting some weights, not 
as much as I should have been, 

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but I've always been pretty 
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So I was doing those things but 
didn't feel like I feel now 

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that's for sure. 
And then when you got COVID, it 

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was pretty much just out of 
desperation to find foods that 

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you could stomach and didn't 
cause nausea and the only thing 

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that. 
Yeah, Bill was the steaks and 

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the ground beef. 
Yeah, I mean, I was literally, I

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actually had these little 
silicone rings that almost looks

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like a nose ring that you can 
put on the very tip of your nose

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and you can put like essential 
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it smell like that instead of 
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And I carry that in my pocket. 
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where I couldn't handle the 
smell, I had to put that on with

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oils on it so that I couldn't 
smell like our kids do 

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volleyball. 
Basketball and we always they 

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always sell chili for potatoes 
or hot dogs, you know, or 

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whatever. 
Pizza. 

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And it's the garlic and onion 
that are like some of the worst 

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things that that smell terrible.
They still do. 

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And peanut butter and popcorn. 
Most vegetables still smell like

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that. 
Many, many things still smell 

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like that. 
But then it was much worse and I

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would put that ring on. 
I would have to wear that little

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nose ring at every basketball 
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it smelled so bad. 
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carnivore kind of out of 
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have much knowledge of the 
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Did you just assume that you 
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because you were eating all this
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started, and all I knew was that
I was in Facebook groups with 

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other people with this condition
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It's distorted taste and smell. 
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with these other people who they
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From one end of the spectrum to 
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You know, gaining 50 or £60.00 
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sugar. 
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tasted and smelled good. 
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feeding tubes because everything
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hospital and there was one lady 
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Somebody helped me. 
The hospitals wouldn't take him.

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He needed to be out of feeding 
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take him. 
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your normal kids won't eat what 
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thing. 
But this kid, this child was 

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dying because he couldn't keep 
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He couldn't keep down in sure. 
He couldn't keep down liquid. 

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He couldn't keep down anything. 
So I knew that there were two 

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ends of the spectrum and I was 
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heading very quickly towards the
gained 50 pounds points and just

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didn't want to do that. 
So that was really all I knew 

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was that I was desperate and I 
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steak fresh off the grill. 
And so that's where I started. 

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And then I looked it up like. 
What happens if I only eat meat 

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like and that's how I found, 
that's how I found all the 

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people that you find. 
You know, when you when you 

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search for that like Kelly Hogan
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Sean Baker. 
Of course that's how most people

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get started. 
For our staff, you know you 

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start finding all these people. 
Judy Cho, I found you and 

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Crystal and you start finding 
all the two and you're like wait

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a minute there are people that 
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my perspective change like by 
the 3rd or 4th day I was like 

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this is pretty cool because I 
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Eggs and I went through a phase 
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but within it, within the first 
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some other things. 
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couple of months in where one of
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actually did have to leave the 
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the smell. 
So it was like it was adjusting 

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and it was fixing itself. 
But within within a week I would

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say I was able to add a couple 
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So I do think that it that it 
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and then it just kind of 
stagnated for a while and stayed

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the same. 
But within a week I was able to 

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add other foods in, and the 
whole time I was just doing 

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research and reading about it 
and learning about it and just 

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filling my mind with all the 
information. 

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So I didn't worry about dying 
from a heart attack because I 

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did it first, of course. 
Yeah, totally. 

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So did you, like, notice that 
your cravings for sweet foods 

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subsided pretty quickly after 
adopting Carve? 

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Or did it take quite some time 
for that to occur? 

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You know, I'm really not sure 
because I was so determined. 

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You know, it's life when an 
alcoholic hits rock bottom. 

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And once you, for a lot of 
people, once you make that 

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decision that this is not what 
you were going to do, you're not

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going to die here in a puddle of
alcohol or with, you know, 

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frosting all over your face, is 
where I was. 

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And so I don't really remember 
whether or not I craved it. 

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I just was not having any. 
Like I was not going to. 

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It wasn't about the cravings for
me. 

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I didn't start this because of 
cravings. 

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You know, I just once I made 
that decision, that was it. 

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And I was just going to do this 
because, you know, it was like 

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brighter flight. 
Like I was, yeah, like I I 

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couldn't live on cupcakes 
anymore. 

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I was so miserable. 
So I had to do something. 

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And out of desperation, this was
the only thing I could do. 

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So I honestly don't remember 
whether or not I was craving 

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things. 
Even if I was, I was not having 

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them because it was like at that
point. 

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I guess it was several months in
when I heard about. 

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The difference between an 
abstainer and a moderator. 

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And then it all made sense to 
me. 

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It was like, Oh no wonder I 
can't have one Oreo. 

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I've never eaten 1 Oreo in my 
whole life. 

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No wonder I can't have just one 
cupcake, you know, and you know,

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binge eating for a lot of 
people, they picture, you know, 

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the the big guy or lady sitting 
surrounded by food shoveling it 

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in, you know, like, you know, 
like grossly shoveling it in. 

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And for some people that's not 
what binge eating it looks like.

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For some people, it's 20 
cupcakes in 36 hours. 

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Every time you walk through the 
kitchen, you pick one up and go 

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stand in the corner and eat it 
where nobody can see you. 

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And before you know it, there's,
you know, only four cupcakes 

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left. 
So binge eating isn't always 

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like all at once, just kind of 
shoveling it in. 

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But that's where I was. 
I was binging a lot like that, 

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just gradually over time. 
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it was a faster binge than that,
but. 

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And I wasn't craving those 
things. 

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That wasn't why I did it. 
I don't know why I did it, but 

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once I started Carnivore I do 
remember. 

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Or at some point, realizing I 
didn't want those things 

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anymore, but I don't know if it 
was because I was just 

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determined or if it's because I 
wasn't craving them. 

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Does that make sense? 
Totally makes sense. 

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Were you also like purging? 
Like if you binge and you felt 

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guilty about it, did you like 
also purge or was that never an 

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issue for you? 
It was for years and years when 

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I was younger. 
That stopped a long time ago, 

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but even then I continued to 
binge. 

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And I would just restrict myself
for like a week. 

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I would eat only raw foods. 
Or I would just fast for a week 

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after a binge. 
Or I would fast for a week after

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a binge. 
It was a very unhealthy 

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relationship with food, all 
kinds of food. 

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It was an I had binge on kale. 
I had binged on an entire bag of

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sauteed kale from Sam's. 
You know those giant bags? 

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The kale in pieces. 
I have sauteed that and coconut 

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oil with lots of salt and 
literally eat in the entire bag.

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You want to talk about feeling 
sick? 

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Oh my goodness, I was so sick 
from that much kale. 

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My stomach hurts so badly. 
But, you know, so like, I could 

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binge on just about anything. 
And even after the kale, I had 

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to restrict myself for several 
days because I knew it was still

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a lot of calories because of the
coconut oil. 

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Plus my stomach was a mess. 
But yeah, I mean, I have, I have

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binged on many, many things and 
then I would just punish myself 

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afterwards. 
Yeah, I feel like a lot of 

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people don't realize that. 
Like a lot of people, I think, 

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assume that people are only 
binging on sweet, hyper, 

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palatable foods. 
But when you really take it to 

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that degree, because I struggle 
with this as well back in the 

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day. 
Like when you become a binge 

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eater and it's just like you, 
you crave the volume more so 

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than anything. 
You just want to feel this 

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sensation of, you know, fullness
that that volume brings. 

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And that can come from any food.
Didn't have to be sweet, hyper 

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palatable foods. 
Like I've binged on salads as 

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well. 
Miracle Rice. 

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Like I had two and a half pounds
of Miracle Rice. 

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One point that'll mess your 
stomach up too. 

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You know, Like it's. 
Like people don't recognize 

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that. 
And I think having that 

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distinguishing factory is key 
because if you can find foods 

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that don't entail as much 
overall volume but curb that 

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desire for binging, that's when 
you really start making some 

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progress. 
And for me, it's not like for 

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you too that came from the 
nutrient dense animal based 

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sources. 
Because I don't know if it's 

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like a it's probably part 
psychological, part 

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physiological, but once you 
consume those foods and you're 

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getting ample nutrition from it,
you're able to just kind of 

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like, turn that shift, that 
switch off for a bit. 

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Yeah, I think so. 
And like I said, I didn't 

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realize it at the time. 
It honestly was later when cuz I

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was just kind of cruising along 
and it was later when I found 

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out about the abstainer versus 
moderator thing. 

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That's when, like, the light 
bulb went off in my head and I 

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realized that the reason I 
wasn't eating those things is 

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because I wasn't eating those 
things. 

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You know, like if I'm not eating
any of them, I don't want any of

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them. 
But it took me months to realize

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that it was just like, yeah, I 
was just better. 

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When I realized it, I was just 
like, Oh my goodness, I didn't 

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even realize that it happened. 
It was just it was very eye 

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opening for me. 
We I'm assuming you probably 

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want like tracking macros and 
things that extent when you 

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first started eating pretty 
intuitively. 

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For Carnivore, well, I kind of 
had a rocky start with 

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Carnivore. 
I was definitely determined and 

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started gaining weight. 
You know, there's lots to talk 

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about fasting in the carnivore 
space, lots of people fast. 

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And I just thought, well, I'll 
fast too because I still had 

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like 8 pounds to get to my goal.
And I was like, well you know, 

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people are losing weight eating 
this carnivore thing. 

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And so I'll just combine that 
with fasting and I'll get that 

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£8 off really quickly. 
And I was in a Facebook in a 

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just a challenge group where 
there was lots and lots of 

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fasting going on. 
And you were like encouraged to 

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extend your fast 24 hours, 36 
hours, 72 hours. 

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And so I was doing a rolling 48 
hour fast. 

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I mean, I think fasting has a 
place. 

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I mean, I I think fasting, I'm 
actually fasting right now. 

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I just recently, in the last 
couple of weeks started 

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reincorporating it after this 
rocky start. 

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And so I was doing all these 
fast. 

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I was fasting every other day. 
Monday, Wednesday and Friday. 

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Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and 
Sunday I would eat. 

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Two hamburger patties with a 
little bit of butter or a little

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bit of cheese on them. 
And that was it. 

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So my body just was like 
shutting down. 

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I was maybe 8 or 900 calories a 
day. 

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I was I didn't have that energy 
that I kept hearing people talk 

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about. 
I kept hearing people talk about

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the energy from being carnivore,
and I didn't have that. 

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But I did feel good, like I was 
able to get up in the morning 

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without hitting snooze. 
I didn't have those little aches

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and pains that I had that I 
thought were just 48 year old 

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aches and pains. 
I wasn't having those anymore. 

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So I did feel good and I 
believed in it. 

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And I was enjoying the food so 
much and again, just still 

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watching videos and absorbing 
information. 345 Six months 

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later, eight months in, I had 
gained 18 pounds and I was 

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pretty darn miserable at that 
point and was ready to figure 

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out what was wrong. 
And so I started tracking and 

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realized how much I was eating. 
And like, I should have known, 

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but it's just so hard to eat 
more when you come from. 

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The background of distorted 
eating and eating disorders and 

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chronic dieting and undereating.
I mean, you name the diet. 

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I've done it. 
Cabbage soup, you know, 14 day 

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juice, Fast them. 
Weight Watchers, Lean Cuisine, 

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Jenny Craig. 
You know, you name it. 

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I've intermittent fasting, keto 
Adkins, you name it. 

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I had done it. 
And that's a hard place to come 

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from. 
Oh, you know, I've been trying 

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to lose weight since I was 12, 
Bought my first diet pills when 

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I was 12. 
And so for me, it was really 

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hard to make sure. 
That I ate enough and when I 

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realized it, when I put that 
food in my card manager tracker 

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and saw it, I was like okay, 
this is crazy. 

447
00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:19,530
So I upped my food over about 
2-3 week period, didn't gain any

448
00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:21,010
weight. 
I was able to kind of maintain 

449
00:20:21,010 --> 00:20:23,730
it and I stayed that way for 
four months and then I was able 

450
00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:25,610
to drop down a little bit and 
start losing. 

451
00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:31,050
So what I like to tell people 
about tracking is if you know, 

452
00:20:31,090 --> 00:20:33,890
don't do it at first I think 
everybody should eat it would, 

453
00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:36,830
should do what I didn't do, 
which is three really good, 

454
00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:40,990
filling, nourishing meals every 
single day for 30 or 60 days, 

455
00:20:40,990 --> 00:20:42,630
depending on how deep your 
damage is. 

456
00:20:43,030 --> 00:20:45,950
And then if it's not working 
like you want or you don't feel 

457
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:48,470
like you think you should, then 
it's time to track it so you can

458
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:50,790
tweak it. 
Because not everybody wants to 

459
00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:51,910
track. 
Not everybody, everybody. 

460
00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:53,950
A lot of people come to 
Carnivore so that they don't 

461
00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:57,790
have to track and and I think 
that's great and for a lot of 

462
00:20:57,790 --> 00:20:59,750
people it works like that. 
But if it's not working, you're 

463
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:01,830
going to have to track it so you
can figure out what's wrong. 

464
00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:04,450
And most of the time, people 
aren't eating enough. 

465
00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:06,610
It wasn't just me. 
Most of the time people are not 

466
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:08,770
eating enough that they're not 
losing weight. 

467
00:21:08,770 --> 00:21:11,810
You know, you get that 
thermogenesis, your body uses 

468
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:15,490
more energy to burn the protein 
and fat, and so people tend to 

469
00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:18,690
undereat, which is what I did. 
And that was really, that was a 

470
00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:20,290
really hard lesson that I 
learned. 

471
00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:22,010
Yeah, that that is a tough one 
for sure. 

472
00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:24,450
I mean, you can have your diet 
optimized from a, you know, a 

473
00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:29,690
quality nutrition standpoint for
sure, But if you're not eating. 

474
00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:32,220
Ample food or you're eating too 
much food. 

475
00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:34,620
You're still going to be, you 
know, not reaching the goal. 

476
00:21:34,620 --> 00:21:38,460
And a lot of people they will. 
So people respond differently. 

477
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:40,660
It's like, so a lot of people 
will not be eating enough food 

478
00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:43,220
and then they'll be chronically 
restricting. 

479
00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:45,980
They'll be fasting too 
frequently and then they'll 

480
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:49,660
become very catabolic and H so 
loose, lean tissue. 

481
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,300
Their metabolism done regulates 
all very natural. 

482
00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:55,890
But then they certainly won't be
primed to build a preserve more 

483
00:21:55,890 --> 00:21:57,490
tissue. 
So the thing just kind of become

484
00:21:57,490 --> 00:22:00,050
a steady slope, downward, 
downward spiral. 

485
00:22:00,370 --> 00:22:06,410
But you don't see a lot of 
people gaining a bunch of weight

486
00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:10,050
overall in that context. 
So you were gaining 18 pound, 

487
00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:12,250
You gained 18 pounds. 
And do you feel pretty confident

488
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:15,210
you were consuming around that 
800 and 900 calorie mark that 

489
00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:17,880
entire time? 
Yeah, I'm sure because I was 

490
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,880
eating most of the time. 
I was eating these precooked 

491
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,680
hamburger patties from Sam's. 
So, you know, I could scan the 

492
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,080
label. 
I knew exactly what was in it. 

493
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,280
And I was, you know, I wasn't 
measuring my cheese, but I was 

494
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,720
just putting a, a slice of 
cheese, you know, on each burger

495
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,520
or about a tablespoon of butter 
on each burger. 

496
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,400
So yeah, it was definitely under
1000 calories. 

497
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,560
And I was just packing on the 
weight. 

498
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,160
I think my body was just 
freaking out. 

499
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,440
I was fasting so much. 
So at the end of the week, I 

500
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,100
probably had only eaten like 
3500 calories in a week. 

501
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,900
Yeah, and you probably were not 
sleeping very well. 

502
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:52,140
Your hormones are probably all 
just dry. 

503
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,260
Like everything is probably 
screwed up. 

504
00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,060
Yeah, and I went to the doctor 
right after that and my 

505
00:22:56,060 --> 00:23:00,020
progesterone showed up as zero, 
like like past menopause, which 

506
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:01,660
I was not at that point. 
So. 

507
00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:04,020
So I definitely tanked my 
hormones. 

508
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,500
You can really mess yourself up 
with not eating enough. 

509
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,300
And women don't take that into 
account when they decide they're

510
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:13,220
going to do a 1200 calorie diet.
1200 calories a day is not 

511
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:15,980
enough for most people. 
And people will say I don't lose

512
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:17,540
weight unless I eat almost 
nothing. 

513
00:23:17,540 --> 00:23:20,660
And that's because you eat 
almost nothing If you work your 

514
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:23,540
way up and build your metabolism
back up, you know where they 

515
00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:24,740
call it? 
A lot of people call it reverse 

516
00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:27,660
dieting. 
If you are sitting there 

517
00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:30,340
listening to this and you are 
saying, well that's ridiculous 

518
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:33,700
because I eat, you know, 1300 
calories a day and in order to 

519
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:36,900
lose weight I have to eat 800 or
700 or, you know, whatever. 

520
00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:40,300
It is probably because you eat 
1300 calories a day that you 

521
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,260
have to drop that low to lose, 
and eventually that'll quit 

522
00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:45,900
working too. 
It's really important to make 

523
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:50,940
sure that you feed your body. 
And after 36 years of, you know,

524
00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:53,620
traumatizing my body, it was 
time for me to fix it, you know?

525
00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:54,940
And I had a lot of making up to 
do. 

526
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:57,260
There's definitely a point of 
diminishing returns when it 

527
00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:59,420
comes to dropping calories, and 
I've talked about reverse dining

528
00:23:59,420 --> 00:24:02,020
quite a bit and I feel like, 
like you said before we started 

529
00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:04,820
recording, that's just not 
talked about enough, I think 

530
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:07,120
people. 
You know, they've at least heard

531
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,240
the term. 
They don't really know what it 

532
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,880
means, and it's it's very hard. 
It's a hard sales coach to get 

533
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,360
people to try to increase their 
calories if they're wanting to 

534
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,560
lose weight. 
And it's it's definitely a long 

535
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,760
approach, like you're not likely
going to start losing weight 

536
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,640
immediately. 
I've had that happen to a few 

537
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,800
clients, but more often than 
not, most people gain a little 

538
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,480
bit of weight in the short term.
But you have to just build that 

539
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360
foundation before you can ever 
hope to make losing weight in a 

540
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,160
healthy, sustainable manner even
somewhat possible. 

541
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,120
Yeah, and that's really scary 
for a lot of people. 

542
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,120
So they would rather just stay 
where they are than fix it by 

543
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,120
eating more and gaining a few 
pounds so that they can lose 

544
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,280
weight. 
It's so scary that it becomes, 

545
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,960
like paralyzing for some people.
Like they they start eating more

546
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,360
and they gain a little bit of 
weight and they just stop. 

547
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,880
I talked to somebody recently 
who eats fruits and vegetables, 

548
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,000
mostly vegetables because of the
carbs, and only fish a couple of

549
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,080
times a week and then some beans
and very rarely eats chicken 

550
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,860
because she's so afraid of fat. 
And I was explaining I sent her 

551
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,980
lots of different videos, lots 
of different, you know, 

552
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:10,420
Instagram pages from people that
I know that struggled with the 

553
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:13,460
same thing, you know, the 
anorexia, the, you know, the 

554
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:17,660
being scared of eating fats. 
And she said she thought that 

555
00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:22,860
she might die if she ate any of 
the fat that I was talking about

556
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:26,820
and telling her that she needs 
to eat and she didn't. 

557
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:30,100
She said that I might I might 
die from eating that. 

558
00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:33,340
And if not because of my health,
then it would be because of 

559
00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:36,980
suicide because she was so 
worried about eating the fat. 

560
00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:41,180
That's how scared we have made 
people about eating fat. 

561
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:43,300
Now this is an extreme, of 
course, this is an eating 

562
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,740
disorder. 
You know, for most women, it's 

563
00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:47,860
typically just that they're 
afraid of the fat because they 

564
00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:51,460
have been scared of it, you 
know, from news media, from 

565
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:53,420
books that they've read, from 
things they've seen. 

566
00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:56,900
They are scared of the fat. 
So this is an extreme, but at 

567
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,100
the same time, this is a reality
for some people. 

568
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,380
They are afraid of the fat. 
Yeah, it's very unfortunate. 

569
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:04,550
I mean like there is. 
There is definitely a point at 

570
00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:07,070
which more fat is not 
necessarily better, like there 

571
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:10,670
is a threshold there, but to 
think that you can't have any 

572
00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:12,190
fat is certainly not good 
either. 

573
00:26:12,190 --> 00:26:14,990
I mean every single cell in our 
bodies is encapsulated in a 

574
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:17,590
lipid bilayer. 
So fat is very much so crucial 

575
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,310
for our existence and certainly 
for optimization. 

576
00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:25,230
So yeah, I think when you 
definitely get the the dialogue 

577
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:28,470
out there, that fat is not the 
enemy when it comes to. 

578
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,160
How you've been able to to make 
this work with regards to 

579
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,040
fasting, So you're doing fasting
again now. 

580
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,120
Like, how did you figure out a 
healthy relationship with that? 

581
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,440
Because I agree with you and I 
think a lot of people are over 

582
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,760
fasting, and fasting is great, 
but it's still a stressor on the

583
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,360
body nonetheless. 
So I typically say if you're in 

584
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,960
a caloric deficit, then you 
don't need to also be fasting 

585
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,720
because a lot of what you're 
not, the good that you're 

586
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,320
accomplishing with fasting is 
also achieved through being in a

587
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040
deficit. 
So don't do both simultaneously.

588
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,320
Yeah, I think when I normally 
eat like on a regular carnivore 

589
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,720
day, I'm eating a lot of 
calories and I'm eating a lot of

590
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,240
fat typically for me, and I 
don't know how you feel about 

591
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,840
this, but being I just turned 50
and I believe that the the 

592
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,560
higher fat approach works better
for me than kind of the leaner 

593
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,240
approach. 
And I know that carnivore is 

594
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480
going to be high fat, you know, 
compared to a normal diet no 

595
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,120
matter how you look at it. 
But for me, we're talking like 

596
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,280
85 or 90% fat makes me feel 
really good. 

597
00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:24,910
You know, I lose a couple of 
pounds when I do that. 

598
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:27,630
I feel really great. 
I feel like I actually lean out 

599
00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:31,070
at 50 by eating that and I've 
heard that from other women too.

600
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:35,430
But ultimately I just kind of 
decided that I wanted to try to 

601
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:38,910
fast a little bit again and just
kind of see if I could do it. 

602
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:45,790
And so I started out with 24. 
I usually a lot of times I do 

603
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:50,260
like a 20 hour, you know, 24 for
intermittent fasting, I'll for 

604
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:52,180
20 hours and then eat within a 
four hour window because it's 

605
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:56,260
really hard for me to get all of
my calories in in just, you 

606
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:58,380
know, in just one meal. 
And so that typically doesn't 

607
00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:00,820
work for me. 
So I do eat a lot. 

608
00:28:00,820 --> 00:28:03,460
When I eat more than 2000 
calories. 

609
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:06,820
I'm sure I don't really track it
very often, but I do every now 

610
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:08,620
and then just to be sure that 
I'm eating enough and it's 

611
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:13,700
typically above 2000 calories. 
And so I did like a 48 hour fast

612
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:15,780
a few weeks ago. 
And then we went on vacation and

613
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:18,140
I had gained a few pounds from 
eating too much cheese while we 

614
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:19,940
were gone. 
Because that's what we do on 

615
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:21,220
vacation, is we eat lots of 
cheese. 

616
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:24,700
Apparently it's the thing, you 
know, cheese is so wonderful. 

617
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:28,460
And so we came back and I was 
like, OK, so last week I did 

618
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,220
Monday, Wednesday and Friday 
asking. 

619
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:38,500
So I was doing like 4244 hours 
and then eating 2500 calories in

620
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:40,900
my eating window and I felt 
really good. 

621
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,980
And then over the weekend I 
decided that I was going to do a

622
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:47,460
longer fast this week because 
the one thing that fixed my 

623
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:51,950
distorted taste and smell about 
two years ago with a 5 day water

624
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:55,630
fast and everything went 
completely back to normal for 

625
00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:57,350
two days now. 
I wasn't carnivore yet. 

626
00:28:57,670 --> 00:29:00,790
It was in May actually, so two 
years ago in May. 

627
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:04,790
And it was just a week or two 
before I turned carnivore and I 

628
00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:06,470
went and that's and I eat 
everything because it was the 

629
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:09,670
first time anything had tasted 
and smelled normal in six months

630
00:29:09,670 --> 00:29:13,200
since I had had COVID. 
And so I ate popcorn and I eat 

631
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160
peanut butter and I drink coffee
because it tasted so good. 

632
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Otherwise it usually smells like
a scum. 

633
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,640
And I ate all of these things. 
Like I pigged out for two days 

634
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,680
because I was so excited that 
everything tasted normal. 

635
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,320
And then it went right back the 
way that it was. 

636
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,800
And so now that I feel like I 
can have this maybe healthy 

637
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,720
relationship with fasting, I 
decided this week I was going to

638
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560
go for five days and see if I 
could fix that again. 

639
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,360
And maybe it would stick this 
time because I wasn't. 

640
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Because I'm not going to go. 
I'm not going to go eat all the 

641
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,680
things. 
I'm going to continue to keep 

642
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,840
myself in a lot of ways in 
ontopagy several days a week 

643
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,640
with, you know my higher fat 
days, I feel like keep me in 

644
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360
ontopagy. 
I'm going to stay, you know, and

645
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,240
ketosis. 
And so maybe the key is the five

646
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400
day fast and then keeping the 
carnivore way of eating instead 

647
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,280
of pegging out afterwards like I
did last time. 

648
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,640
And so it's kind of a science 
experiment and so but I do feel 

649
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880
really good. 
This is day three and I feel 

650
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,440
really good and I have energy. 
I just got home from the gym and

651
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,680
so, so far, you know, my my 
biggest concern is because I'm 

652
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,880
an all or nothing kind of person
is getting to the end of this 

653
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,280
five day fast and be saying to 
myself maybe I'll go a little 

654
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,960
longer because that's what I do.
It's just like maybe I'll have 

655
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,080
another cupcake. 
So, so my, you know, the key for

656
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
me is going to be to absolutely 
end the fast on Friday at noon 

657
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,840
because that's when I said I was
going to end it. 

658
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,160
And on Monday I wouldn't have 
said I'm worried about going too

659
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,970
long. 
This Monday I was hungry, you 

660
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:38,490
know, Monday I was a little bit 
grossy. 

661
00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:41,650
Monday I wanted to eat, but 
today I feel really good. 

662
00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:44,170
Yesterday I felt really good. 
So we'll, you know, just kind of

663
00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:46,770
see how it goes. 
But but what I'm hoping is that 

664
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:49,010
this will give me back my 
healthy relationship with 

665
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:53,770
fasting, which I do think can be
good sometimes and hopefully 

666
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:56,050
heal this issue with my taste 
and smell. 

667
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:58,210
Yeah, I agree. 
I mean if you're doing the five 

668
00:30:58,210 --> 00:30:59,610
day fast, which is a pretty long
fast. 

669
00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:03,770
I've done a five day fast two or
three Times Now, but I don't do 

670
00:31:03,770 --> 00:31:05,890
it very frequent like I'll do a 
five day fast every. 

671
00:31:06,550 --> 00:31:08,870
You know, couple of years you 
could probably get away with 

672
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:10,630
doing it every quarter without 
any issues. 

673
00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:13,990
But as long as you're feasting 
when you're not fasting, like as

674
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:16,430
long as you're eating amp 
calories, then like you said, 

675
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:18,950
you're doing 2500 calories with 
lots of fat and protein, like 

676
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:20,710
that's great. 
You know, generally speaking, 

677
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:23,030
all of my, like I want to see 
all of my female clients 

678
00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:25,790
maintaining healthy composition 
north of 2000 calories on a 

679
00:31:25,790 --> 00:31:28,390
regular basis. 
Like, that's just a good simple 

680
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:32,150
general rule of thumb when it 
comes to the higher fat, I'm 

681
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:35,550
curious here, so. 
I I've got clients on all ends 

682
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:37,030
of spectrum. 
I've got some that are very high

683
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:38,670
fat ratio like that. 
I've got some that are much 

684
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:42,350
lower. 
When you're doing 80 to 85% of 

685
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:44,590
your calories from fat, are you 
still getting in quite a bit of 

686
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:47,710
protein then too? 
Yeah, I am. 

687
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:50,430
It ends up being whatever, 
whatever it would work out. 

688
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:53,470
I'm really bad with the numbers 
there as far as the grams go, I 

689
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:58,430
just look at the percentage on 
my app and So what I typically 

690
00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:01,870
do is it's at least 2000 
calories, sometimes more, and 

691
00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:05,320
ends up being 85 to 90 or to 90%
fat. 

692
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680
So however that would work out 
what I typically do is I will 

693
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,520
eat one whole egg and four or 
five egg yolks for breakfast 

694
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,640
with six or seven really thick 
cut slices of bacon. 

695
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,800
And then around lunchtime I will
sometimes have a can of sardines

696
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,080
or sometime with the olive oil, 
and then I will drink the olive 

697
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,800
oil and then I'll have some beef
fat trimmings, air fried, also 

698
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,590
some rib eye trimmings. 
And so that that does give me a 

699
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:36,350
decent amount of protein, but 
the fat is really high, which 

700
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:38,350
is, you know, also what I feel 
like I need. 

701
00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:40,470
Yeah, yeah. 
I think if I was, I mean, if I 

702
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:42,910
was gonna do a higher fat day 
like those, I'd probably just 

703
00:32:42,910 --> 00:32:44,510
have a higher overall calorie 
day too. 

704
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:47,430
That way I'm still getting, you 
know, the ample protein, but I'm

705
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:50,110
still able to push that fat 
ratio up quite a bit because I 

706
00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:52,150
think there's absolutely, yeah, 
that's a good idea, that for 

707
00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:54,830
sure that's a good idea. 
Yeah, having like a few days. 

708
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:56,590
I've got one client right now 
that's doing. 

709
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,840
He he's doing really well with a
pretty high protein relative to 

710
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,640
fat. 
His majority of his calories are

711
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,720
still fat, but we've been doing 
like a weekly fat refeed, so to 

712
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,880
speak. 
So he's getting this massive 

713
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,480
bolus of dietary fat once a 
week, and he's responding super 

714
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,560
well to that. 
I think everything. 

715
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:16,950
Can be made to work like based 
off the individual, what they 

716
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:19,710
prefer, what the body responds 
well to as long as everything is

717
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:21,990
within a healthy parameter. 
So if you're gonna have a super 

718
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:24,310
high fat ratio like that, more 
power to you. 

719
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:27,030
Just make sure you're eating 
enough calories that the ratios 

720
00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:28,990
and the the percentages workout 
that you're still getting ample 

721
00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:31,670
protein. 
Oh yeah, next time I won't just 

722
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:33,230
check the percentage. 
I'll make sure I check my 

723
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:35,470
protein and then I'm, you know, 
getting enough of that too. 

724
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:37,070
That's a good idea. 
Yeah, for sure. 

725
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:39,430
For sure. 
All right, so I kinda wanna 

726
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:40,710
switch gears. 
Totally here. 

727
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:43,390
So you are a mother of how many 
kids? 

728
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:48,370
Four. 
I have 4 kids, they are 22/20/16

729
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:51,010
and 14. 
Our 22 year old just got married

730
00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:56,370
and moved out about a month ago,
little over a month ago. 

731
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:58,010
I'm still have a little bit of a
hard time with that. 

732
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:01,090
Our son still lives at home. 
He has finished college, he's a 

733
00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:04,170
full time graphic designer and 
still lives here and we are so 

734
00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:06,930
grateful for that. 
And then the other two are we 

735
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,170
home school and they play lots 
of volleyball and basketball. 

736
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:12,250
Very cool, very cool. 
Have you? 

737
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:15,699
Been able to kind of like 
navigate the waters of nutrition

738
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:19,699
with them because you had them 
obviously much earlier than you 

739
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:21,980
shifted your diets. 
Like were they pretty receptive 

740
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,020
to you doing carnivore? 
Have you tried to kind of swayed

741
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:25,580
in that direction? 
Like, how does that work down? 

742
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:30,219
They think I'm insane. 
Our daughter and her husband are

743
00:34:30,219 --> 00:34:33,540
actually mostly keto most of the
time. 

744
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:36,940
I mean they go off sometimes, 
but but they do believe in keto.

745
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:39,060
I'm a little bit too much for 
them. 

746
00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:40,659
It's a it's a little bit too 
much for them. 

747
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:44,139
And our son, he's your typical 
20 year old, He just kind of 

748
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:45,380
eats whatever he wants right 
now. 

749
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:49,179
Hopefully it doesn't catch up 
with him, but when it if it 

750
00:34:49,179 --> 00:34:51,139
does, I will be here to, you 
know, help him. 

751
00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:52,860
I, you know, talk. 
We talked to him about it quite 

752
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:55,659
a bit and our younger too, they 
don't need a lot of processed 

753
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,860
foods, but they also don't eat 
as well as I would like for them

754
00:34:58,860 --> 00:35:01,380
to eat. 
But they are heavy on the 

755
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:04,620
fruits, a little bit of 
processed food and they eat the 

756
00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:06,380
meat that we eat. 
They just don't eat as much as 

757
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:08,360
we do. 
Gotcha, gotcha. 

758
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Yeah, I feel like that's a tough
one. 

759
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,720
You know we we've got, I've got 
a son now he's just a year old. 

760
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,200
But like when when you have your
kids before you shift your diet 

761
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200
and they're kind of grown up on 
a certain, you know, type of 

762
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,680
diet that they're familiar with 
their cousins. 

763
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,440
They like the flavors. 
They, they like the 

764
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,960
carbohydrates, like shifting 
them to more of an animal based,

765
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,920
natural, minimally processed 
that I would imagine would be 

766
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,160
pretty, pretty unready beast for
sure. 

767
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:34,910
Yeah. 
And, you know, I I like to pick 

768
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:36,590
and choose my battles. 
They're really good kids. 

769
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:38,670
They have really good morals and
values. 

770
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:40,590
You know, we go to church. 
They love Jesus. 

771
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,750
They do their Bible plan. 
And you know what? 

772
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:45,350
They don't eat perfectly the way
that I want them to. 

773
00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:48,790
But it's just not something that
I'm willing to really fight 

774
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:51,750
about right now for them. 
You know, they're very active 

775
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,750
with basketball and volleyball 
and they like to go out with 

776
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:56,630
their friends. 
And after basketball and 

777
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:58,030
volleyball games, we always got 
to eat. 

778
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:59,990
You know, typically they don't 
get something terrible. 

779
00:35:59,990 --> 00:36:02,310
You know we're at McDonald's or 
Wendy's or something like that. 

780
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:06,160
You know and they'll get you 
know maybe just the fries or 

781
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
just a burger without the bun or
you know they're not going all 

782
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,320
out. 
They're not getting a whole meal

783
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200
with the soda, you know at 10:00
o'clock at night. 

784
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
And for that I'm grateful. 
And so you know it's just not a 

785
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,840
battle that I'm that I'm willing
to fight with them right now. 

786
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,000
I'm trying to leave by example 
and sometimes I throw some 

787
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520
challenges like hey you know 
let's not eat you sugar this 

788
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,280
week or you know so we're 
they're they still eat a lot 

789
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,560
better than you're a normal 
person. 

790
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,360
We don't usually have soda in 
the house. 

791
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,430
We they typically lots of fruits
and vegetables, lots of meat, 

792
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:36,350
and so I'm just not willing to 
fight that with them at their 

793
00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:38,510
ages right now. 
Yeah, that makes total sense. 

794
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:41,390
I feel like a lot of people, 
they, they don't really know how

795
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:43,230
to navigate those waters. 
I think if you're leading by 

796
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:45,550
example, like sounds like you're
as the best thing anybody can do

797
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:49,030
cuz they'll they'll recognize 
that your health is improved and

798
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:51,270
they'll take stock in that. 
Like, I think, you know, they're

799
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:53,630
a lot smarter than people 
realize and they just know what 

800
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:56,150
their environment and people 
around their environment is 

801
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:57,510
showing. 
So, like, if you've been able to

802
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:59,790
turn your health around, you're 
not be plagued with what you 

803
00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:03,130
were suffering with before. 
That carries some weight in 

804
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:06,050
their minds, I would think, 
Yeah, absolutely. 

805
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:10,370
And they do think it's a little 
bit extreme, but I think they'll

806
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:12,890
learn and I think they'll 
eventually understand. 

807
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:15,610
Totally, Totally. 
And you home school. 

808
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:18,850
You said you home school. 
The two younger ones, we've 

809
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:20,730
always home schooled. 
Our kids never went to school. 

810
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:22,650
And the two older ones never 
went to school until they went 

811
00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:26,690
to college and they went to a 
local college here. 

812
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:30,250
Yeah, we've always home schooled
and it wasn't like for religious

813
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:31,810
reasons or anything like that. 
In the beginning. 

814
00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:37,090
It was just I couldn't stand the
fact that at five years old they

815
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:40,650
were going to get on a bus at 
the end of our driveway and ride

816
00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:42,610
with people. 
I don't know, to sit with kids I

817
00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:46,650
don't know that have parents, 
but I don't know all day long. 

818
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:49,410
And they were going to be 
learning things, so many things.

819
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:51,690
They were going to be learning 
great things but also not good 

820
00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:54,010
things. 
And bring those things home and 

821
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:56,690
and then be away from me for 
8:00 or 9 hours a day. 

822
00:37:57,050 --> 00:38:00,850
I just, it was a control thing 
at the time. 

823
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:03,650
I guess I just didn't want that.
I didn't want that for our 

824
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:05,650
family. 
I just wanted them to be with 

825
00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:07,890
me. 
And it has worked out really 

826
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:11,730
well, if I do say so myself. 
You know, they're they've always

827
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:15,410
been good kids and they, you 
know, they did school well and 

828
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:18,290
then they went to college. 
And so I know that we can, I 

829
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:20,810
know we can finish this out. 
I know we can finish strong 

830
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:24,410
because the first two did what 
we wanted them to do and our 

831
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:26,650
oldest daughter that just got 
married, she's a full time real 

832
00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:27,970
estate agent. 
Like I said, our son is a 

833
00:38:27,970 --> 00:38:31,010
graphic designer and so they 
have integrated themselves into 

834
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:34,210
society and they are good people
and they have friends and they 

835
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:37,890
have social lives. 
And yeah, I'm really glad we did

836
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:40,010
it. 
How did Y'all navigate, like, 

837
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:43,730
the whole curriculum aspect, but
did you follow a curriculum that

838
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:48,130
is like incentivizing and 
working well with the home 

839
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:49,130
school? 
Like, I don't really know how 

840
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:50,290
all that works. 
Like I know. 

841
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:53,070
There is a curriculum for the 
homeschool families. 

842
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:55,430
Is that what Y'all did? 
Yeah. 

843
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:59,030
So there, in a lot of states, 
there is a thing called K12 now 

844
00:38:59,030 --> 00:39:01,750
that wasn't around, I don't 
believe when our oldest was 

845
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:03,470
little. 
I mean, you can get your school 

846
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:05,390
books from the school. 
They will send you a box of 

847
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:08,110
everything you need for the 
school year and it's free. 

848
00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:09,430
And they do their classes 
online. 

849
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:11,030
It's like they're sitting in the
classroom. 

850
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:12,830
They can see the teacher, they 
can see their students. 

851
00:39:12,830 --> 00:39:15,110
They have to be sitting at a 
computer for all that time every

852
00:39:15,110 --> 00:39:18,260
day and that was not available 
back then. 

853
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:20,060
It is available now, but that's 
not something that we have 

854
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:22,620
chosen to do. 
We started out with a Becca, 

855
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,540
which is a curriculum out of 
Pensacola, FL. 

856
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:29,980
And you can get just like a 
workbook for each subject and 

857
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:32,100
you sit and you read the 
information to them. 

858
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:33,140
You know, it tells you what to 
do. 

859
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,220
It tells you what to tell them. 
And then they finish their 

860
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:37,380
worksheets. 
And as time went on and it 

861
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:39,700
started to evolve, you 
eventually kind of jump around 

862
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:42,260
and get different curriculums. 
You hear about so and so is 

863
00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:44,660
using this math curriculum and 
this other friend is using this 

864
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:47,340
English curriculum. 
And so you just kind of mix it 

865
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:48,300
up. 
And as long as you're meeting 

866
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,180
your requirements according to 
the school district where you 

867
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:54,660
live, then it doesn't really 
matter which curriculums you use

868
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:57,140
or things like that. 
As long as they are passing 

869
00:39:57,140 --> 00:40:00,620
their classes, you know, 
according to you and passing 

870
00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:02,860
their. 
Some states require a state exam

871
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:04,740
at the end of the school year. 
It's not the Sol, it's a 

872
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:08,180
different kind of state exam, 
but it has. 

873
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:10,980
It's like online or you can 
administrate it yourself. 

874
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:13,500
And then you just send those 
test results, and in a lot of 

875
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,740
states you can claim religious 
exemption where the state just 

876
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,020
basically has nothing to do with
your schooling at all, and you 

877
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:22,940
can just say, hey, we've got 
this, we're responsible, and 

878
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:24,980
we'll handle it, and they're 
gonna learn stuff and they'll be

879
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:27,140
fine. 
Do they do like standardized 

880
00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,500
tests, like the ACT for college 
admissions and whatnot? 

881
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:33,540
Yeah, they can do that. 
Or they can go in the state of 

882
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:35,420
Virginia anywhere where we live.
They can go to the Community 

883
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:39,680
College for two years and then 
any State College will accept 

884
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,600
that community, that two years 
at the Community College as 

885
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,720
their score and accept them 
through that and not even use 

886
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,080
any of their high schooling for 
it. 

887
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,440
Interesting, yeah. 
What's been the the best part 

888
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,880
about going the homeschooling 
around? 

889
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,960
That's hard because there are so
many things I have to say. 

890
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,680
The best part is being able to 
be with them as much as we have.

891
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,700
You know this. 
You know, the days are long, but

892
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,940
the years are short. 
And I know that's a very cliche.

893
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:13,860
And I know you just had a baby 
and it's hard to hear, but this 

894
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:17,100
is going to be over before you 
know it. 

895
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:21,660
And being able to spend all of 
that extra time with our kids, 

896
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:24,580
like we never missed a 
basketball or a volleyball game 

897
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:26,860
unless, you know, one of us was 
sick or one of the other kids 

898
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:28,700
was sick or my husband's a 
pilot. 

899
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,540
So sometimes he's gone, but not 
usually. 

900
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:34,570
And so we have been able to be 
with them, drive them to 

901
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:37,130
basketball and volleyball games 
two hours away from our house, 

902
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:40,170
you know, on a regular basis, 
and be with them all that time 

903
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:43,570
instead of them being on a bus, 
you know, and not getting home 

904
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:45,690
until 11:00, o'clock. 
And we weren't even involved in 

905
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:47,090
any of that. 
You know, we have been able to 

906
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:48,970
be involved in every aspect of 
their life. 

907
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:52,250
And I know there are people out 
there that would say you can't 

908
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:54,130
protect them from everything or 
that's your job. 

909
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:56,770
They're supposed to go off and 
be by themselves and be with 

910
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:58,370
their friends. 
When do they ever have privacy? 

911
00:41:58,370 --> 00:42:00,570
You know, there's lots of 
criticisms that go along with 

912
00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:04,140
homeschooling, but we can't get 
this time back, that time that 

913
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:07,100
the time that people lose from 
being with their, you know, 

914
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:08,860
kids. 
You can't get that time back. 

915
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,060
And for us, that was the most 
important thing. 

916
00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:12,580
And that's not everybody's most 
important thing. 

917
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:14,620
Most people just want their kids
to be normal and go off to 

918
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:17,020
school and come home from school
and give them a snack and then 

919
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,780
let them do homework for three 
or four hours before they, you 

920
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:21,340
know, have to go to bed and do 
it all over again. 

921
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:24,660
And that wasn't what we wanted. 
We used to be in a small group 

922
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:28,380
at church with some families who
would say, one of them in 

923
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:32,190
particular would say they don't 
see each other except on Sundays

924
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,550
there, or they don't. 
They didn't see their dad except

925
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:37,590
on Sundays because he would get 
up for work before they got up 

926
00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:39,590
for school and when they got 
home for their sporting 

927
00:42:39,590 --> 00:42:41,510
activities at the end of the day
he was already in bed. 

928
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:45,350
So these, you know, and that 
really bothered me, that they 

929
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,870
only saw each other and ate a 
meal together on a Sunday. 

930
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:50,750
And we have been able to avoid 
that. 

931
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:53,190
I mean, things get busy with our
sports seasons and stuff like 

932
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:56,110
that, but we at least are, you 
know, home with them all day, 

933
00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:57,390
every day. 
I just didn't want somebody else

934
00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:58,780
raising my kids. 
Yeah. 

935
00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:02,580
And so it yeah, it definitely 
worked out for us. 

936
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,060
And I know that everybody can't 
do it. 

937
00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:05,980
I know that it's hard. 
And so if you can't do it, I'm 

938
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:08,140
not trying to make people feel 
bad. 

939
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:11,220
But man, if you can figure out 
how to be with your kids all day

940
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:14,460
long, that is the best gift that
you'll ever receive and the best

941
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:16,180
gift that you can ever give to 
your children. 

942
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:18,780
Yeah, I feel like, you know, 
that's definitely the route that

943
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:21,380
we're heading down for sure, 
with rides, I mean. 

944
00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:26,270
It is crazy how many people just
simply you know and a lot of 

945
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:28,110
it's because that's just the 
life they live. 

946
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:30,790
But they'll they'll like I've 
got a friend really good friend 

947
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:33,990
that that visited with me this 
past weekend and he's got a 

948
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:37,870
daughter the same age as Rigel, 
3 days younger actually and he 

949
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:40,510
works full time. 
She works full time. 

950
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:43,110
So they have they had. 
They have to take her to 

951
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:48,150
daycare, and the mother 
literally only gets one hour a 

952
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:51,350
day with her. 
And then she's off on Thursdays 

953
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:52,550
and she's off on Saturday and 
Sunday. 

954
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:55,110
So she's got three full days. 
But literally every the rest of 

955
00:43:55,110 --> 00:43:57,270
the week she gets one hour a 
day. 

956
00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:00,590
And you know, not to judge them 
at all like to eat their own, 

957
00:44:00,590 --> 00:44:05,070
but that's just to me seems like
such an impactful time and and a

958
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:09,110
child, you know, life and to be 
away from their parents the 

959
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:13,350
majority of that time just seems
like not not optimal by any 

960
00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:15,910
stretch of the imagination. 
So you know I'm at work more 

961
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:17,510
often than not. 
I'm at the compound here now, 

962
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:21,100
Podcasting with you. 
I get up early, I leave late, 

963
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:24,700
but Crystal is with Rigel all 
day long. 

964
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,740
And then she'll often bring him 
up here to work out. 

965
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:28,700
So I'll see him intermittently 
throughout the day. 

966
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:31,580
Then he and I spend time 
together in the afternoons. 

967
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:34,300
But it's like, yeah, I mean 
that's that's everything to me. 

968
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,620
I feel so very blessed that 
Crystal can do that. 

969
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:39,580
And we kind of live on our own 
terms like that. 

970
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:42,340
Yeah. 
And I think people don't realize

971
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:44,860
how much it's costing. 
Like a lot of people feel like 

972
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,610
they the my mom can't be home 
with the kids all day because 

973
00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:50,730
she has to go to work too. 
Because you know, as a couple 

974
00:44:50,730 --> 00:44:53,650
they have bills to pay. 
And I remember this is years ago

975
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:55,690
Oprah, so I'm dating myself here
a little bit. 

976
00:44:55,690 --> 00:45:00,890
This was Oprah probably 25 years
ago and Oprah did this interview

977
00:45:00,890 --> 00:45:03,250
with. 
I don't remember who who, like 

978
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:06,450
the financial expert was or 
whoever, but she was doing this 

979
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:09,440
interview with this couple who 
was talking about not spending 

980
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
time together and their house 
was a mess and their life was 

981
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,720
basically chaos. 
They hardly saw each other 

982
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,080
during the week. 
It was, you know, that whole 

983
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,400
same kind of thing. 
And once they figured out the 

984
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,600
amount, like literally every 
penny, the amount of money that 

985
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,840
she spent to take the the kids 
to daycare or wherever it was 

986
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,720
that they went, you know, for 
the gas money, you know, the, 

987
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
you know, the maintenance on the
car. 

988
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,680
You know, like if there was 
maintenance on the car because 

989
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,450
of all the extra driving, the 
fast food meals, because she 

990
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:40,250
didn't have time to cook because
she was at work, The fast 

991
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:42,570
lunches for the kids that were 
in school, like the Lunchables 

992
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:44,330
or whatever. 
You know, whatever it was then 

993
00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:47,410
instead of actually, you know, 
giving them a healthy, having 

994
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,610
them a healthy lunch because she
didn't have time to do that. 

995
00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:52,690
And like, once you laid out all 
of the amounts of money that 

996
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:57,170
they were spending, they were 
actually in the hole every month

997
00:45:57,290 --> 00:46:00,370
compared to how they would be if
she just stayed home and cooked 

998
00:46:00,370 --> 00:46:03,290
their meals and didn't spend the
gas and didn't spend the money 

999
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:06,210
on daycare and all of that. 
They actually, and they had 

1000
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:08,690
them. 
They had like a a recap later, 

1001
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:11,250
like it was, you know, they did 
the show and then they showed 

1002
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,810
them six months later and they 
were thriving as a family. 

1003
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:18,130
They had extra money and the 
bank that they didn't expect to 

1004
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:21,690
have, even though they were down
one income, they had managed to 

1005
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:25,410
make it work and save money and 
have extra money and everybody 

1006
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:27,730
was healthier and happier and 
she got to stay home with the 

1007
00:46:27,730 --> 00:46:29,370
kids. 
Yeah, that, that's that's 

1008
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:30,570
awesome right there. 
Like that. 

1009
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:33,160
Can't go in there. 
If I'm playing dead without a. 

1010
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,360
Kid, what's the worst thing 
about home schooling that you 

1011
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:45,160
all have experienced? 
Gosh, you know, I honestly don't

1012
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,360
think there was a downside for 
us. 

1013
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,040
If I had to pick something, it 
would. 

1014
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Yeah, yeah, I think so. 
Yeah, I do think so. 

1015
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,420
The younger 2 for sure, I mean 
the older 2, have never said 

1016
00:46:58,420 --> 00:46:59,940
anything negative. 
I mean, every now and then I 

1017
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:02,340
think maybe they feel a little 
bit left out when other people 

1018
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:03,580
are talking about things in 
school. 

1019
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:06,220
But you know, but we we go on 
field trips with a group of 

1020
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:09,620
people. 
Our kids do sports, you know, we

1021
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,700
go on vacation field. 
They did an actual graduation 

1022
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:13,420
where they walk across the stage
in a cap and gown. 

1023
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:15,860
We have, you know, a home school
prom or you know, we call it a 

1024
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:18,700
formal, but we have a home 
school formal, so they don't 

1025
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,780
really miss any of those things.
The cool thing is that we get to

1026
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:24,220
do it with people that we choose
to be with instead of people 

1027
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:26,500
that we're forced to be with 
because we're in the same school

1028
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:29,580
district. 
And that makes that makes a huge

1029
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:33,580
difference for me. 
So if there was a downside, I 

1030
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:36,260
would say it's the judgment from
people. 

1031
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:38,700
You know, the home schooling has
a stigma about it. 

1032
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,060
And so I would say if there was 
a downside, it's that. 

1033
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:48,180
But But honestly there, I mean, 
I really can't think of what a 

1034
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:51,920
downside it would be, Robert. 
I mean, we just, we have enjoyed

1035
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,640
it so much now. 
There were hard days, don't get 

1036
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,800
me wrong. 
There were days filled with 

1037
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480
tears because somebody doesn't 
want to do their school and it's

1038
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,480
not all, you know, it's not all 
roses and you know, things that 

1039
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,840
smell good. 
It was definitely bad, you know,

1040
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,440
some days. 
But overall, looking back on it,

1041
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160
I wouldn't change anything about
what we did for homeschooling. 

1042
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
There was no downside on a daily
basis. 

1043
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,480
And I remember one time when our
kids were little or somebody 

1044
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,920
asked my husband what about 
socialization? 

1045
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
And he said he just started 
laughing. 

1046
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,110
Because the truth is, we 
probably socialize too much. 

1047
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:26,070
Like we socialize a lot more 
than kids that are in public 

1048
00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:27,150
school. 
And that's always the first 

1049
00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:28,870
thing people say. 
What about socialization? 

1050
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:32,470
Our kids are with other kids and
other people all the time. 

1051
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:36,150
And the cool thing is that at 
their ages now and even five or 

1052
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:38,150
six years ago, for the older 
two, like when they were 

1053
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:40,950
teenagers, and the two we still 
have at home, you know that 

1054
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:43,670
we're still schooling now. 
They can look an adult in the 

1055
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:46,790
eye and have a conversation. 
They are not uncomfortable in a 

1056
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:48,870
room of people, you know, with 
people looking at them and 

1057
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:50,710
talking to them. 
Like, there are a lot of kids 

1058
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:52,270
who can't have a conversation 
with an adult. 

1059
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:55,950
They can't look an adult in the 
eye, even after spending years 

1060
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:59,390
and years in the school system 
with adults telling them what to

1061
00:48:59,390 --> 00:49:00,910
do. 
They can't have a conversation 

1062
00:49:00,910 --> 00:49:02,990
with an adult, you know, because
it's awkward and uncomfortable 

1063
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:05,830
for them. 
So yeah, there really is no 

1064
00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:08,030
downside for me as far as home 
schooling goes. 

1065
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:09,950
Yeah, no, I love hearing that 
for sure. 

1066
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:13,030
I feel like it's weird, like 
people are so judgment for their

1067
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:15,390
judgment towards your nutrition,
their judgment towards your 

1068
00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:17,530
parenting styles. 
So I feel like, you know, I've 

1069
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:19,730
already got the the judgment 
from a nutrition standpoint, so 

1070
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:21,770
I'm battle there. 
So I should be good going to the

1071
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:24,530
homeschooling realm. 
But you know, like if you're 

1072
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:28,330
able to simply socialize and 
have a conversation confidently,

1073
00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:31,290
I mean you could do anything in 
life if you can do that. 

1074
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:33,930
And I feel like there is a 
negative stigma about that 

1075
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:35,450
towards the homeschooling 
community. 

1076
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:38,530
But then you look at people that
are going through this system 

1077
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:43,130
now and they're not really 
allowed to thrive necessarily. 

1078
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:46,860
They're They're just kind of. 
You know, put along this roadmap

1079
00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:49,780
and there's so much boredom with
that because it's not really 

1080
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:52,340
catering to their strengths that
they're so bored. 

1081
00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:54,260
They just want to look at their 
phones all the time to make the 

1082
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:56,460
time pass and they don't know 
how to look up the people in the

1083
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:59,860
eye and have a firm handshake 
and a legit conversation because

1084
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:02,740
they haven't had to. 
So I think, you know, we've been

1085
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:05,260
taking rides with all these 
conferences that I've been going

1086
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:07,620
to. 
I mean, he was at Kilocon when 

1087
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:11,140
he was two months old. 
I mean he's he's, he's already 

1088
00:50:11,140 --> 00:50:13,420
kind of inundated with this, you
know, these people. 

1089
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:16,480
So I think. 
Just being out there and living 

1090
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,640
life and not necessarily 
following all these rigid 

1091
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,840
societal norms is much more 
educational than not. 

1092
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,200
Yeah, absolutely. 
I agree 100%. 

1093
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Yeah, it's totally, totally 
worth it. 

1094
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440
Awesome, Awesome, awesome. 
But what isn't the pipeline for 

1095
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,360
you? 
What are you excited about as 

1096
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,200
far as nutrition goes? 
Parenting goes? 

1097
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,800
Like, what's got you amped up 
for what the future holds? 

1098
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:41,550
Well, you know, I'm, I'm trying 
to build the YouTube channel, 

1099
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:44,990
the Carnivore Revolution YouTube
channel and doing lots of 

1100
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:48,390
interviews and hanging out with,
you know, with other carnivores 

1101
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:50,790
online. 
And you know, it gets me excited

1102
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:54,350
to help people to spread the 
word about carnivore or Quito, 

1103
00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:57,630
just basically low carb for me. 
Like, we're all on the same team

1104
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:59,190
here. 
You know, we're all just trying 

1105
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:01,750
to be healthy and have 
longevity. 

1106
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:03,710
I want to be here for a really 
long time for my kids and my 

1107
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:06,350
grandkids. 
And this is the way that I see 

1108
00:51:06,350 --> 00:51:08,110
this is the path that I see for 
that. 

1109
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,340
And so I just get really excited
about sharing that with other 

1110
00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:14,420
people and talking to other 
people about how nutrient dense 

1111
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:17,420
meat is and that if you just eat
meat, you will change your life.

1112
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:22,100
And so that's what I get mostly 
excited about is just talking to

1113
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,980
people about that. 
And then my kids, goodness, the 

1114
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:27,020
younger two are, you know, 
they're going to graduate in the

1115
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:30,460
next four or five years here. 
And I don't know what I'll do 

1116
00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:32,660
then, but. 
But for now, I'm going to take 

1117
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:33,820
care of them. 
I'm going to homeschool them, 

1118
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:36,140
run them around to basketball 
and volleyball games and teach 

1119
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:38,780
people about eating meat. 
I mean it's it's honestly my 

1120
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:40,380
favorite topic. 
I love it. 

1121
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:42,620
I love it. 
I think definitely in the space 

1122
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:44,820
for the right reasons, you know 
what most people in the space 

1123
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:46,860
are like. 
They've had their own profound 

1124
00:51:46,860 --> 00:51:50,020
health transformation. 
And when you have experienced 

1125
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:53,020
that, it's hard not to talk 
about it with this, you know, 

1126
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:55,900
vibrancy because you just 
recognize how much it's impacted

1127
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,460
your life for the positive. 
So yeah, I mean, if you're doing

1128
00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:00,140
that for the right reasons, 
which it sounds like you are, if

1129
00:52:00,140 --> 00:52:02,940
you're being the best mom you 
can be like that, that to me, 

1130
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:04,540
sounds like a pretty fulfilling 
life right there. 

1131
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,640
Yeah. 
And I, you know, I have very few

1132
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,120
regrets. 
And, well, I guess the big one 

1133
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,920
would be, I wish I'd have found 
carnivore sooner because it 

1134
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,600
really changed who I am, you 
know, it changed my temperament.

1135
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,120
It changed my anxiety and my 
stress level, you know? 

1136
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,520
And so, yeah, I just want to 
share that with other people as 

1137
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,680
much as I can. 
Hey, don't waste time thinking 

1138
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,280
about last year. 
Just make the most of what you 

1139
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,160
got ahead of you. 
True. 

1140
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,320
Very true. 
And what was the name that 

1141
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,240
YouTube channel again in the 
Carnivore Revolution? 

1142
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,280
Carnival. 
Revolution. 

1143
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,960
Awesome. 
I'll link out to that for sure. 

1144
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,080
What are some other social 
platforms like? 

1145
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,680
What's your Instagram, website, 
etc etc. 

1146
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,480
I'll link out to that too. 
And so my Instagram is Serena 

1147
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,800
dot Carnivore and we also have a
Carnivore Revolution Instagram 

1148
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,320
page and on Facebook. 
I'm Serena Music with the same 

1149
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,560
picture as my picture on 
Instagram, but it's really just 

1150
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,520
a carbon copy of my Instagram 
page. 

1151
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,680
And then the website's a little 
bit hard to find cuz it's a Wix 

1152
00:53:00,070 --> 00:53:03,470
sites and SO, but it is in my 
bio on Instagram. 

1153
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:04,910
You can find it in my links 
there. 

1154
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:06,510
Awesome. 
Well, I'll link out to all 

1155
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:07,990
those. 
Make it easy for people to find 

1156
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:10,430
you, Serena. 
I certainly appreciate the time.

1157
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:11,750
I've thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

1158
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:14,430
If there's ever anything I could
do to help your endeavors in any

1159
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:16,510
form or fashion, by all means 
let me know. 

1160
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:19,260
Awesome, Thank you and you'll 
have to come my mind. 

1161
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:21,180
And if you need any help with 
homeschooling, you just let me 

1162
00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:22,780
know. 
Hey, I will most certainly take 

1163
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:25,020
you up on that cuz this is 
uncharter territory for me. 

1164
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:27,380
So you've done it. 
I've been with four kids now, so

1165
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:29,900
I feel like you're you get a 
proven track record. 

1166
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:31,500
So I'll be hitting you up for 
questions for sure. 

1167
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:33,100
Awesome. 
Anytime. 

1168
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:35,260
Take care. 
Have a good one, Okay. 

1169
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:35,740
Thanks You too.