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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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It's a dev get special guest 
Alyssa McClellan on the line and

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she is an ultra endurance runner
and she is an absolute savage. 

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She's been doing keto carnivore 
here lately for her runs and she

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has seen tremendous success 
following that protocol. 

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So I want to kind of dive in 
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But we also just talked about 
endurance sports in general. 

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She has a CrossFit background. 
She's been in the ultra 

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endurance running scene for a 
while now, but I wanted to pick 

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her brain as far as like fueling
strategies, what she does from 

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like a prep standpoint, how 
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what it's like from a a mindset 
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when you're 75 miles into 100 
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right headspace. 
So third, enjoy the 

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conversation. 
I got no doubt the we'll take 

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something from it, especially if
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endurance sports whatsoever. 
So that further delay sit back, 

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relax and show conversation with
Alyssa. 

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We are live Alyssa, how you 
doing today? 

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Good, good. 
Glad to be here. 

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How are you doing? 
I'm good, I'm good. 

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Glad to have you. 
So I'm always excited to talk to

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performance athletes that are 
doing hard things on a regular 

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basis and you are certainly in 
that category. 

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You got a race coming up in how 
how long? 

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A week or two? 
Yes. 

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So let's see, 10 days, 10 days 
out, I'll be doing Habanero 100,

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which is in Cat Springs, Texas. 
And it is, I believe, the 

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hottest race in Texas. 
And it starts at noon, just to 

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make it even more miserable. 
Lovely. 

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And this is so so give me the 
give me the details on this. 

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So this is in Texas. 
Are you're based in Texas, 

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right? 
Yes I am, I live in East Texas 

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and so this race is about 2 1/2 
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Springs Texas and they have 
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can think of. 
Last year I did the 50K which is

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32 miles and this year I'll be 
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So the goal for that is I'm 
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It's going to be tough, but and.
This I'll get better. 

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This is on Saturday the 24th. 
What is that? 

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Yes, it is. 
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and like I said, it starts at 
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Just that way that that way we 
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know? 
Well, I'm. 

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Going to be thinking about you 
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doing a 50 mile event on that 
same day starting at Saturday, I

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guess at 3:00 and then going 
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But I'm, I'm doing like a March.
It's like a March for raising 

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money for veterans through the 
night from Lincoln, NE to Omaha.

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So you're going to be going a. 
Little. 

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Harder. 
Oh no, that's awesome though. 

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What a what a cool way to raise 
money. 

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It is pretty good. 
That'll get some attention right

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there. 
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four years now. 
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Like I'm, I am just simply a 
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Like I'm not the head honcho by 
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got like profound respect for 
endurance athletes. 

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I mean, the first time I did it,
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I was like, OK, we're just going
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I can walk 50 miles, no big 
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I walk every day and man, my 
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I was on crutches for a week 
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gotten progressively better. 
I'd I'd hope not to have near as

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much damage this year, but I 
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straight That's that's no joke 
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Real. 
Isn't it crazy how your body 

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gets used to it? 
I remember the first 50 Ki did 

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last year in April. 
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could not get out of bed, I 
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And we were in Austin and 
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area in Austin, TX where you can
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night time. 
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cool. 
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all the way across town and 
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bats for 3045 minutes. 
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like the week before, I was 
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Well, you know, like 30 miles, 
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You know, I'm used to like 
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Well, let me tell you, I 
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running, that's when it got my 
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And it's like, like I'm not a 
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think about, you know, running a
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people's mind often times go to 
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What are you going to do? 
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Less so I guess with a marathon,
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that wasn't too bad from a 
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like all the other things that 
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the chafing the feet, like just 
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Time, that is what gets me the 
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because each race, like before I
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sat down last week and I pulled 
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kind of went back in my in my 
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race and wrote down notes. 
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something different. 
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and use these shoes, but not 
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Make sure that you have like 
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to get it from my husband. 
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just, I was absolutely 
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So it's just these races, just 
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such a good thing. 
If you can, you can bring back 

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the notes and write it down and 
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for sure. 
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believer in compression socks 
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These salty. 
Britches yes, I did a race. 

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My first 100 mile race was this 
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was in Oklahoma and I'll always 
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and it was absolutely miserable.
I was so miserable that I was 93

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miles in and didn't even want to
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But my husband made me. 
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was absolutely miserable. 
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Amazon ordering as many pairs of
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because my legs and my feet were
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Yeah, what I found, and you can 
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can, but like when people have, 
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50 mile marches, like the people
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in, I'm OK, I'm going to get 
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I'm going to wear no show ankle.
Socks that look. 

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Good and like after about 10 
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That was a bad mistake because 
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you shouldn't be wearing holes 
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swelling down, like you're 
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learned at this race last year, 
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swell in the summertime and your
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going to be miserable. 
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order a full size up in the same
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summertime because your feet 
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Yeah, no, that that that's good.
I know you're an inner like 

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involved with innovate footwear,
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a gear and tool and tech junkie,
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different, different like pieces
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you can use. 
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tried just about everything. 
Right Right now I'm on this zero

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drop wide toe box kick like a 
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So talk to me about. 
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That's innovate right there. 
That's what they have. 

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They have any minimalist shoe 
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drop just that way you can feel 
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to feel their feet just have 
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each step, you know, and that 
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foot back and like really plant 
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off of the ground. 
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minimalist shoes that are 
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And every shoe that they have, 
they're just all their shoes are

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made for wider feet. 
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until I started doing the toe 
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my toes and really feeling how 
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And I couldn't, I didn't want to
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didn't want to put them back in 
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So now I wear toe socks and I 
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Innovate. 
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like the first race, you know 
you're like going to look cool 

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and you're all decked out and 
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you're like your 5th or 600 mile
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care what I look like. 
I don't care if I look like a 

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dork. 
I'm going to wear what is going 

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to keep my body together. 
Totally, totally. 

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So did you What what got you 
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box? 
I didn't realize innovate was 

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that was their thing because 
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toe, it looks like it's fused to
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they don't have. 
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overlap yeah, you need to try 
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drop. 
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zero drop. 
I wear the the more cushion 

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innovates that have the wide 
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heel striker that I sound like a
clown in zero drop shoes and 

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they're just not comfortable for
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Gotcha, personally, but zero 
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popular. 
They used to be super popular 

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back in the day. 
Remember when they had the the 

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Vibram shoes like toe? 
Oh, I've got a pair flat shoes. 

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I used to have a pair just 
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the thing, but I don't know that
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I remember running like the 
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5 miles in them and then the 
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being so sore just because it's 
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Yeah, I, I tried to do, and 
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I, I do enjoy trail running. 

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I like hunting, so I'm hiking a 
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But I tried to do a lot of that 
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where you're pretty much running
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And that I think is better for 
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But it takes like you can't 
really do like if you're doing a

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trail run, if you're doing one 
of those like super minimal 

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shoes where there is no cushion,
like your feet are gonna just 

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like you can't even run on rocks
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It hurts. 
Right. 

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And a lot of these shoes, that 
innovative shoes will have a 

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rock plate in the bottom, which 
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protects the bottom of your 
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going over those, those little 
rocks and then roots and stuff 

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like that. 
Yeah, so. 

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I've never heard of Innovate 
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them out for sure. 
I've used the ultras. 

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Ultras are super popular. 
Yes, they are, they are very 

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popular in the, but you know, 
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CrossFit and I used to be 
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And so I, I used to wear their 
stuff during CrossFit and then I

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was like, they have trail 
running stuff and kind of linked

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up with them and I was like, 
they're, they just have really 

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quality stuff. 
Yeah, they always have. 

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Like I, I never partnered with 
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wear their stuff in the past. 
They just have everything they 

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make is quality. 
Well, I'm all about the quality.

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Talk to me about the the origin 
for getting into these endurance

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rings, especially if you have 
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like what was the what was the 
journey there? 

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You know, I stopped CrossFit in 
my last year to compete at 

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regionals was 2018 and I kind of
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was, you know, my my older boys,
I have four boys, two older ones

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were a little younger and, you 
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into sports and it was time for,
you know, I wasn't enjoying 

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CrossFit as much as I should 
have been, as much time as I was

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putting into it. 
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from that. 
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forward, you know, just doing 
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their sports, taking them to, 
you know, dropping and picking 

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up and games and all that kind 
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Practice and life changed a 
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So Cross, it was just on the 
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You know, I just did it in the 
garage, but I was always missing

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that desire to compete. 
I'm such a competitive person. 

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I love. 
I read something the other day 

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on Instagram about why we do 
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with me is because at the end of
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I've done something. 
And when I found ultra running, 

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when I completed my first fifty,
Ki felt like I had done 

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something, you know, something 
something bigger than what I 

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thought I could do. 
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going to let's see, after that 
first race, I was really just 

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hooked. 
And I'm such a competitive 

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person that if I do something, 
I'm going all in with it. 

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So once I found ultra running, 
just, you know, started signing 

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up for bigger races and bigger 
challenges and just pushing 

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myself and, and seeing what I'm 
capable, capable of and what the

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limit is, if there is one, You 
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I've signed up for a race, it's 
like, man, this one's really 

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hard and it's harder than the 
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And I know I'm going to finish 
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Like I always say that you're 
going to have to get a stretcher

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and come out there and get me 
like I'm going to finish. 

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It's going to be hard, but each 
race that I've signed up for has

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been harder than the previous 
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And so I just haven't found that
limit yet. 

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That's, I don't know if I'm like
searching for it or you know. 

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Well, there's definitely a 
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ultra distances like and I love 
the mindset component of any 

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type of physical endeavor like I
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Me too. 
Yeah, with the same reason. 

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And like I said, I'm, I'm not a 
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with running, it is most 
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sport because anybody can run 
and there's definitely technique

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behind it, but anybody can throw
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the trails. 
But whether or not you go any 

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distance, like that's all in the
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And like for me, I listened to, 
I listened to David Goggins on 

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Joe Rogan, that's my first 
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And he was like, yeah, I did 0 
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100 Miller and just RIP. 
And I'm like, man, I'm going to 

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do that. 
So that's why I signed up for 

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that marathon having not trained
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And in doing that, it's like 
when you hit mile 20 for a 

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marathon, you've never done any 
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It's like at that point it is 
100% all in the head. 

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Like whether you decide to drop 
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in your in your headspace. 
And like when you see it through

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the completion, the sense of 
fulfillment you get from that is

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hard to put into words. 
Like it's just, it's a very 

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rewarding experience. 
Oh, absolutely every single one 

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that I've finished you. 
You'll see me at the finish line

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crying and it's like you think 
I'd be used to finishing these 

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long embraces by now. 
But each one is so unique and 

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carries its own challenges and 
things that I've overcome in 

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each race that by the time you 
get to the end of it, you're 

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just overcome with emotion of, 
wow, I just did that. 

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And I broke through a place in 
the middle of this race that I 

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didn't think that I would. 
And I climbed out of that hole. 

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If I can do that, like, what 
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And it just floods you with 
emotions. 

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Like it's such an incredible 
thing that I think every human 

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should experience because we 
live where we think that we have

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these caps on our limits. 
And I used to live like that 

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too. 
Oh, I'm not, you know, the 

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caliber of athlete that I think 
I am in CrossFit and this is my 

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cap is just going to regionals 
and nowhere. 

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You know nothing after that. 
Well, once you're in 100 mile 

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race and you're 70 miles in and 
your legs are swollen, you're 

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you're in 100 mile, you know, I 
mean 100° weather and you're 

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like, you want to quit, but you 
have this support system that 

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will do everything in their 
power to not let you quit and 

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help you finish what you set out
to do. 

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Like it's such a, such an 
overwhelming, you know, 

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experience and, and feeling to 
complete something that you 

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don't think that you can do. 
And it's awesome to do it with 

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other people and realize how 
much we need other people in 

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life. 
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To to, to do important big 
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And there seems to be like a 
just a a mutual respect and 

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sense of camaraderie, 
understanding that the ultra 

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runners in that community share.
Because I feel like the people 

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that I know that are runners 
like, yeah, everybody wants to, 

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there's a competitive vibe, 
there's competitive nature. 

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Everybody wants to win, be the 
best they can be. 

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But like when you show up, 
everybody's pretty, pretty 

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friendly. 
Like there's just a a mutual 

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respect for one another it 
seems. 

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And I think that's because, like
you said, anybody can lace up 

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their shoes and go on a run. 
Like it's not about that. 

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It's it's if you want to run 100
miles, the work that you have to

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put in is just respectable. 
Like you can't just put on a 

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pair of shoes and go run 100 
mile race. 

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I'm sure you can. 
Is it going to be comfortable? 

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Is it or is it the best thing to
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Probably not. 
But if you plan it and put the 

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work in, that's something that 
is just like you have my respect

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because it's not something 
that's easy, like you have to 

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train your mind and your body 
for weeks in order to finish and

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have a successful 100 mile race.
Totally, totally. 

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So this, this one that you get 
coming up in 10 days, that's 100

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miles. 
Is that is that the longest 

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distance you've done out of 
whack thus far? 

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So I did Sedona 125 and that was
in May. 

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My very first 100 Miller was 
just a couple months before 

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that, the one that I did in 
Oklahoma. 

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And then I turned around and did
Sedona 125 in May. 

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And it was just an absolutely 
amazing experience that on the 

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way home, even my husband loved 
it on the way home, driving 

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back, like we weren't even an 
hour into the drive back and 

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he's like, let's sign up, let's 
do it again next year and let us

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do it better. 
It was just such, it was so much

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fun. 
So yeah, that's, that's the 

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longest one I've done. 
And then we've done a couple 50s

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in between that and I have this 
100 mile coming up. 

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I'm doing a back-to-back 100 
Miller. 

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I'm doing this one and then I 
have a four week break and then 

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I'll do Travelers 100 and that's
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Nice. 
Where in Arkansas? 

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Where in Arkansas is it? 
I'm not really sure off the top 

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of my head. 
I'd have to look it up. 

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But the reason I signed up for 
that one is just, you know, 

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that's definitely more of a 
challenge than than the races 

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that we have here in Texas. 
Texas. 

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So flat. 
Yeah. 

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And I wanted more of a mountain,
you know, top, top race. 

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And, and this will give me a 
little bit of that experience 

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without just going all in and 
like Colorado mountains and just

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absolutely dying. 
So yeah, yeah, Well, shoot, I 

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mean, if it's in Arkansas in the
mountains, it's probably up in 

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Northwest Ogden. 
So where I'm at. 

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So definitely hit me up if 
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sure. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Yeah, I'll have to give you the 
details on that. 

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I think it's, it's one that's 
been around for quite a while, 

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several years, and it's one that
we're just going to kind of have

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fun with and use as a training 
race, obviously, because I don't

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know how to like just show up 
and do a training race, but one 

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that we're just going to have 
family at and everybody help 

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prove and, and just have a good 
time. 

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You know, they, they really are 
so much fun going and doing the 

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races and have a family there 
and having my husband there. 

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And it's just, I think he enjoys
it. 

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He probably doesn't enjoy the 
lack of sleep, but he we enjoy 

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doing it together. 
Yeah, I want, I want to dive 

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into to that. 
So like when you have a, when 

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you're doing a distance like 
that, you got to have a crew 

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What what kind of strategy goes 
behind your, your, your prep. 

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They're like, what are you doing
to prepare for these 100 milers?

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How you kind of go about from a 
fueling standpoint, from a 

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training standpoint, what do you
have your your, your ground crew

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doing? 
Like what does that look like 

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for you? 
As far as training, I really 

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just try to keep a really good 
base. 

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I have such a good base from my 
CrossFit background and then I'm

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just, I try to be on my feet 
just constantly. 

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Time on your feet is the most 
important thing. 

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I know mentally I can't get to 
the end of the race, and that's 

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because of that very first $100 
that I did. 

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It really did a lot of good for 
me mentally, being in the lowest

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point that I've ever been in a 
race and digging myself out of 

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that. 
That was such a good mental 

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training. 
And so training, yeah, just try 

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to keep a good base and stay on 
my feet all day, pretty much 

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every day. 
Nutrition, I have for the past 

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90 days actually have done keto 
slash carnivore and it has been 

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the best change that I've I've 
made. 

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And then preparing for the race 
like like all the logistics and 

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things like that, like me and my
husband just kind of go over a 

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loose plan. 
He, he's really good with having

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things ready, if it's a looped 
race, having everything ready 

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for me coming in, He takes notes
for me for the, you know, to go 

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back and look over for the next 
race. 

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He has such a great memory, you 
know, where he remembers things 

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that happened in the race and 
that, that we can change and 

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work on. 
So it's just constantly just 

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like a, a learning experience 
for both of us and making sure 

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that we're taking notes and, and
just staying prepared and 

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packing 2 of everything, 3 of 
everything, 2 pairs of socks, 

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you know, two pairs of shoes, 
having extra clothes, extra 

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bottles. 
And, you know, and, and making 

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sure that we always have good 
attitudes with everything. 

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If something comes up, you know,
it's, hey, let's figure this out

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together. 
And I always make sure that he 

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knows that I don't want to quit.
So I'm having a low moment or 

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something like that. 
It's like, hey there, we're not,

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there's no negative talk and 
there's zero chance of you not 

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finishing this race. 
So let's sit down and, you know,

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take a moment, collect ourselves
and, and get it back together 

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and, and get back out there. 
So all the prep is just a lot of

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mental on your feet and making 
sure that you just have a really

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good support system and that you
are both on the same page with 

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what you want the outcome to be 
with the race. 

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That that mental component, it's
weird because like I would 

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imagine people would think that 
once you cross that halfway 

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point, it's all downhill from 
there in the sense that you just

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don't have any negative self 
talk. 

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But I feel like it's like that 
3/4 in is like the dark point. 

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Yeah, halfway is not even 
halfway is you're like, all 

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right, halfway. 
And then it's like you're 75 

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miles in. 
And at that point you're, you're

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like 25 miles. 
Feels like it's going to take me

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forever. 
And if you start, if your brain 

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starts spiraling, then I mean, 
you've got to stop it like that.

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Otherwise you're going to get in
a dark spot. 

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You may not be able to come out 
of it. 

443
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So that's why you you really is 
such a mental stay in positive 

444
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Patty the whole time, even when 
you don't want to. 

445
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320
And it is such a parallel for 
life too, because not everything

446
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320
goes our way in life. 
So it's like, hey, figure it out

447
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,040
and and get up and do something 
about it. 

448
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,640
When you're running, are you 
like listening to music? 

449
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,360
Listen to audiobooks, podcast, 
listen to nothing but your 

450
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,000
thoughts? 
Like how do you kind of stay in 

451
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,080
the right headspace? 
Man, I have tried a little bit 

452
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,720
of everything. 
I'm always like, all right, I 

453
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600
download this book. 
So I'm going to listen to this 

454
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,160
book is 12 hours long. 
So by the time I'm done with 

455
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,120
this book, I'm almost done with 
this race. 

456
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,640
Well, I'll listen to it like the
audio book for like 30 minutes. 

457
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,840
I'm like, this is extremely 
boring, so I'm not going to do 

458
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,920
that. 
But now my kind of strategy with

459
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,840
that is no music for the first 
several loops and just kind of 

460
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,160
get in the zone, get in the 
space, kind of fill out the 

461
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,560
course and fill out the other 
competitors. 

462
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:32,240
And then I will throw some music
in, some slower tempo music, 

463
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,360
usually some Christian music in 
the in the middle of it of the 

464
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,080
race, just to keep my pace down 
and not get too excited. 

465
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,000
And then I'll take my headphones
out again and just listen to my 

466
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,880
feet, my breathing and all the 
bugs outside in the desert at 

467
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,800
night. 
And then by the end of the race,

468
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,120
I'll throw on some old school 
rap and just like, crank it up 

469
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,000
and like, let's go. 
I like it. 

470
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,560
I like it. 
No, that's that's the key for 

471
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840
sure. 
I I got a double tap on that 

472
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,680
comment you made earlier about 
now here lately you've been 

473
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,000
doing keto carnivore. 
So. 

474
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,360
So what was the? 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

475
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,840
Catalyst for that? 
OK, so I can go into that a 

476
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280
little bit. 
I was on after having my 2 

477
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320
little ones. 
I have a three-year old and a 2 

478
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560
year old, so they are 15 months 
apart. 

479
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,280
And that is extremely difficult 
whenever you are just married 

480
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,040
and you have two older kids and 
then then you're having babies 

481
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,120
back-to-back. 
So I was on antidepressant 

482
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,360
actually, and I was on the 
highest dose that you could 

483
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,400
could get of a antidepressant, 
200 milligrams of Zoloft. 

484
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,920
And I was on it every single day
for two years. 

485
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,160
And I just decided that it was 
time to stop using it as a 

486
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,560
crutch and like, actually own up
to, you know, to who I am and my

487
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000
thoughts and stop numbing 
things. 

488
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,200
And I also lost my dad very 
suddenly, too. 

489
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,120
So that was just a part of all 
the depression. 

490
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,720
And so it was time to just heal 
and move on. 

491
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,320
And so I did a lot of research 
after cold Turkey and my 

492
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,400
antidepressant and I found so 
much research that I had no idea

493
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:22,480
was out there about the gut and 
brain being connected and how 

494
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,960
keto diet has helped so many 
people with so many different, 

495
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,760
you know, things going on with 
life and, and how it helps with 

496
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,160
mental disorders and mood. 
And, and so my husband was on 

497
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,400
carnivore. 
He had already started carnivore

498
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,120
and he's been very successful 
with that two different times 

499
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,880
that he was on it. 
And so we just kind of use it as

500
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,240
a lifestyle now. 
But so I started carnivore and 

501
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,960
loved it so much but needed a 
little bit more fuel, you know, 

502
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,880
so I added a few things in with 
keto and I tell my husband 

503
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,920
almost every day or at least 
once a week, you know, there's 

504
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,480
no way I could go back to eating
the traditional diet. 

505
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,960
Like I have gone off of keto 
just a couple times 1 during 

506
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480
races because that's the most 
important thing to me is to get 

507
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,360
to the finish line strong and 
then just having a cheat meal or

508
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,440
you know, some fried chicken 
here and there. 

509
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,240
And the next day felt absolutely
terrible. 

510
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,840
And I had no idea that my body 
was feeling that terrible in the

511
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,160
past when I was having those 
things until I took everything 

512
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,480
out and slowly added things in. 
And I don't like the way my body

513
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,960
feels with anything besides 
carnivore right now at the time.

514
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,440
And that's just butter, eggs and
and ground beef. 

515
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:55,000
But it sounds boring, but I, I 
like to use food as fuel and 

516
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:02,360
it's completely changed my 
energy levels and mood in A, and

517
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,520
my skin and things like that in,
in a way that is just, to me, 

518
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,760
it's not worth it going back and
having, you know, the 

519
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,200
traditional American standard 
diet. 

520
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,760
No, 100% agree there. 
I mean you, you preach the 

521
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Inquirer on me on that one. 
I mean, I, I pretty much eat 

522
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,720
beef, eggs and the keto brick 
and that's my day-to-day 

523
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080
nutrition without, without fail.
And people always ask, do you 

524
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,200
get bored with it? 
Do you crave sweets? 

525
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,400
And it sounds absolutely crazy 
to say, no, I don't crave sweets

526
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,960
and I seriously do not. 
And I was a chocolate. 

527
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,800
You got ice cream eating Andy's 
frozen yogurt like a couple 

528
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,000
times a week. 
Like, and it, it never was a 

529
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,840
body image issue. 
I wanted to change diets or 

530
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040
anything like that. 
Like I could care less about any

531
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
of that. 
Like I exercise so much that 

532
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,200
none of that matters. 
It's about how I feel when I 

533
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,400
wake up every single morning, 
Like and I can do a 1718 hour 

534
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,960
fast and then have a carnivore 
meal and feel the best I've ever

535
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920
felt and have so much energy and
mental clarity. 

536
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560
Like, and I'm not trying to 
prove a point to anybody or 

537
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,920
convince anybody to do you know 
if keto died or a carnivore 

538
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,760
died. 
It's just it works for me. 

539
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,600
And so I stand by no A. 100% so 
are you. 

540
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,960
You said that you've introduced 
carbs you know through races in 

541
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240
the past. 
Are are have you done a race 

542
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080
with a keto carnivore without 
introducing the carbs since 

543
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,240
then? 
Yes. 

544
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,440
So I've done 2/2/50 mile races 
first. 

545
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,160
First one I did, I was on 
carnivore for a month and then 

546
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,320
one week leading up to the race 
I did keto. 

547
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,920
So it's strict carnivore for 
four weeks and then one week 

548
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,880
keto and then went to the race, 
started the race completely 

549
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080
fasted for the first hour, 2 
hours. 

550
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,120
Just so my body knows, you know,
that we're going to use BAT for 

551
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,040
fuel 1st and then slowly 
introduced carbs little by 

552
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,880
little during the race. 
So I'd have dual fuel. 

553
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,920
And it was the best race that 
I've ever had. 

554
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000
I ran 50 miles. 
The last five miles of that 50 

555
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,920
miles, I was running 88 minute 
mile pace like it was the best 

556
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,880
I've ever felt. 
So, so yeah, it, it worked for 

557
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,360
me And then the the the next 
race I just did a few weeks ago,

558
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,440
I did the exact same approach 
and it went really well. 

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,120
So very cool. 
What haven't haven't, what are 

560
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,440
you doing for fueling? 
So many, so many people ask 

561
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,000
like, how do you run? 
How do you have the energy to 

562
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600
run whenever you're you don't 
have any carbs, but you don't 

563
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,720
have to have carbs for the 
energy. 

564
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800
You know, there's other things. 
Yeah. 

565
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,360
No, totally agree there. 
So, so when you do introduce the

566
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,840
carbs as you're running like 
that, that those past two races,

567
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,280
what did that come in the form 
of? 

568
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160
So the so the first 50 miles 
that I tested it with, I made my

569
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,240
own fuel and you just sit for 
one and things like that. 

570
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,880
I made like fruit patches with 
avocado and coconut oil and 

571
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,680
things like that. 
So avocado and coconut, I mean, 

572
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600
that's not. 
Very well, I started out with 

573
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,280
that not yeah. 
So I did, I did some a lot. 

574
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,480
I did more fat with a little bit
of carbs at the beginning of the

575
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,560
race when I. 
Oh, you're breaking up a little 

576
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,200
bit. 
Can you hear me? 

577
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,160
Oh, did I lose you? 
Like oat bars and so I'll have, 

578
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120
I would have that some sweet 
potatoes. 

579
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,520
I had candy just for that extra 
boost. 

580
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480
You know when when your stomach 
starts hurting, you can just 

581
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,880
have a couple of hard candies 
that you can suck on and get 

582
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,840
energy from that and. 
I think I may have lost you 

583
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,640
again. 
Literally anything I could find 

584
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,720
I was eating. 
I haven't ever had like any gut 

585
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,640
issues during races. 
I have pretty, pretty iron gut 

586
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,960
because I've eaten pretty much 
everything my entire life. 

587
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,360
So yeah, pretty much anything 
that because the race to me is 

588
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,440
so much more important than 
trying to stick to a strict keto

589
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,040
while running. 
I just like to do dual fuel and 

590
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,320
there's a way to go about it 
where you can start with fat and

591
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,800
then glucose and have dual fuel 
and like a rocket. 

592
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
What what do you do is you're 
breaking up a little bit, but 

593
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,200
I'm pretty sure I heard all 
that. 

594
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,000
What do you do as far as 
electrolytes are concerned? 

595
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,880
Hydration. 
Electrolytes yeah, so, so most 

596
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,520
of the races that I've done are 
looped races and usually the 

597
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,480
loops are between 5 and 10 miles
from what I've done so far. 

598
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,640
And so each time I come in for a
loop, I will put 500 to 1000 

599
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:11,000
milligrams of the BPN 
electrolytes or swovering BCA as

600
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,920
and their electrolytes in a 
bottle and have one of my bottle

601
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360
20 oz just water. 
And then the other one will be 

602
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,960
electrolytes. 
And so I have electrolytes and 

603
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,040
then make sure I take gels and 
sandwiches and all those kind of

604
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,600
things in my pocket too. 
And I've done like apple juice 

605
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,320
or grape juice, things like that
just to get that quick sugar 

606
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,480
carbs. 
And they have Coke at aid 

607
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,600
stations. 
It's literally, I don't have 

608
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,679
like a written out list of foods
that I eat. 

609
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,120
It's whatever's in front of me 
and I feel like I need it. 

610
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,760
I'm just going to throw it in my
mouth. 

611
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Pickle juice. 
Pickles. 

612
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120
What do you do anything specific
for like the the the prior 

613
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,280
nights nutrition? 
Like I I know a lot of endurance

614
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,560
terms of like a crazy pasta load
the night before. 

615
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,000
I'm assuming you don't do that. 
I've done that in the past, you 

616
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,760
know, when I wasn't doing 
carnivore and keto. 

617
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,800
But it's such an unnecessary 
thing for me personally. 

618
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,720
It's not necessary. 
I've never felt it necessary. 

619
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,520
And so it's not something I do, 
I'm sure. 

620
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
I'm pretty sure I did that 
before Sedona 125. 

621
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,200
We didn't start the carnivore 
journey until like right after 

622
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,880
that race. 
And so I think the night before 

623
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,480
that race, a couple nights 
before that race, when not, we 

624
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,680
had like, pizza and pasta, and 
then the next night we had 

625
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,880
burgers and fries. 
Yeah. 

626
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200
And I was fueled just fine what 
doing that. 

627
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,240
And I, I feel just this, feel 
just the same if not better 

628
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,480
without doing that. 
Yeah, totally. 

629
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080
I, I know you mentioned that a 
lot of people you know, are just

630
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,160
not really understand how you're
getting energy without the 

631
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,480
carbohydrates. 
But do you feel like the the 

632
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,440
running community as a whole is 
kind of opening their eyes and 

633
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,760
minds to going about it with a 
more ketogenic carnivore 

634
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
approach or is there still like 
a lot of. 

635
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,080
The majority of the athletes are
carb focused athletes, but there

636
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,240
are some really great athletes 
out there. 

637
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160
My coach, Zach Bitter, he's a 
low carb athlete and he's one of

638
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,600
the best in the world. 
Has world records and 100 mile 

639
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,280
distance, has world record and 
12 hour just distance. 

640
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,440
Michael McKnight, He's a low 
carb athlete, one of the best 

641
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,880
200 mile runners in the world. 
Yeah, I've had both them on my. 

642
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Punch. 
So they're out there. 

643
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,480
Yeah, they're they're both 
awesome and awesome people and 

644
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680
amazing best athletes I've been 
around. 

645
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,160
And the approach is working for 
them. 

646
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,880
It's just I think it's getting 
people to trust that you don't 

647
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,680
have to fuel with carbs in 
certain situations. 

648
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,800
Yeah. 
For sure, but it it's hard to 

649
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560
when I post a picture of my 
lunch and it is a pound of 

650
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,440
ground beef, butter and eggs. 
Like to me, if I looked at that 

651
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,160
as an outsider and didn't know 
anything about keto or 

652
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,160
carnivore, I'd be like, this 
girl is crazy and she's going to

653
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,920
be sick. 
Like, you know, that's what 

654
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,120
people think because they just 
don't know. 

655
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,800
But if you do the research, you 
listen to podcasts from 

656
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,720
reputable doctors and scientists
and things like that, Huberman, 

657
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,240
doctor Chris Palmer. 
If you listen to those experts 

658
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,600
on this then it it can change 
your mind and you know you you 

659
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,160
can't learn anything unless you 
try something new. 

660
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,520
No, 100%. 
And Chris Palmer, I mean, I've 

661
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
had him on the podcast and I 
love what he's doing with it 

662
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480
from like a psychological 
standpoint, because you'd 

663
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,040
mentioned the the depressants. 
And I feel like from, from the 

664
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,360
mental state alone, the benefits
to be had with a ketogenic 

665
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
approach far outweigh the 
physical. 

666
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640
The physical just bonus on top, 
basically. 

667
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,600
But if you can mitigate the 
depression and the anxiety and 

668
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,320
just the ailments of people 
struggling with these days via 

669
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,080
dietary interventions alone, 
then I mean that that's got to 

670
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,360
mean something right there. 
I totally agree and he is the 

671
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,000
one that I first started 
listening to and I have done 

672
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:20,200
nutrition plans for clients for 
you know, 7-8 years and have 

673
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120
always done a well-rounded 
balance dot. 

674
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,920
And that works for people, it 
really does. 

675
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,080
But there are people out there 
that need something different 

676
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,440
that that does not work for. 
And there's people out there 

677
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,040
that are on antidepressants that
don't want to be on 

678
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,000
antidepressants, but they don't 
know any other approach. 

679
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,880
And So what he's doing with 
putting his information out 

680
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,600
there and, and sharing all his 
knowledge like it's, it can 

681
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
change people's lives because 
it's changed mine. 

682
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,520
And like you said, the benefits 
of the mental clarity, the no 

683
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:01,680
depression, the exercise and the
you know how I feel in the when 

684
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,920
I wake up in the morning, that's
just a bonus like. 

685
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,520
Well, the there's. 
There's so many good things. 

686
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,800
Yeah, people don't realize. 
I mean, you mentioned earlier 

687
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800
about the, the relationship 
between the brain and the gut, 

688
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,440
but like people don't realize 
that, you know, like 98% of 

689
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,640
serotonin or something crazy is 
produced in the gut. 

690
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,320
And it's like when you look at 
what the average human is 

691
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,520
consuming these days and they're
not active, they're not running 

692
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,080
these ultra marathons, they're 
not lifting weights. 

693
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,560
They're just simply going about 
their day-to-day. 

694
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,080
I mean they're. 
And see, that's where it can 

695
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,040
make a difference. 
Is, is if you want to do like a 

696
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,840
well-rounded balanced diet and 
you are up on your feet every 

697
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,760
single day, you're doing weight 
training 3-4 times a week, 

698
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
that's and it works for you and 
you don't feel like you have 

699
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,800
inflammation and you're not 
groggy and crashing at the end 

700
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,840
of the day, then that's great 
and that works for you. 

701
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,600
That's wonderful. 
But there are other other ways 

702
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,240
to eat them. 
Then then going that you know 

703
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:08,440
and and still having ample 
energy but changing like your 

704
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
mental. 
Yeah, no 100% totally agree. 

705
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,840
You mentioned that your your 
husband is doing like your crew 

706
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,800
work as well too. 
Is he doing runs with you on 

707
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,480
occasion as well? 
Yeah, and even at times, my 

708
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,000
husband has a very demanding 
job. 

709
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,200
He is a prosthetist and he makes
arms and legs for people, so he 

710
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,120
has a very demanding job. 
So he's up early and home late, 

711
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,320
but in the Evening Times, if he 
can get in, you know, 3-4 miles 

712
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960
with me, we usually put the 
babies in the double stroller 

713
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
and head out and get up 3-4 
miles in together. 

714
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Or even if it's just a walk, 
walk, run or run, we just try to

715
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,360
stay fit together. 
But he is 100% not the only crew

716
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,880
member that I've had. 
I've had one pacer 2 Pacers 

717
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,360
before in the past, which are 
fantastic to have Pacers in 

718
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,440
race, especially in the night. 
But he is my crew, yeah. 

719
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,560
And and he takes care of pretty 
much everything during the race.

720
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,880
No, that's awesome. 
Power couple status right there 

721
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,440
for sure. 
Yeah, for real, he is. 

722
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,080
He makes me want to be better. 
So we complement each other 

723
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,800
well. 
How? 

724
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,720
How do you all wrangle the 
kiddos throughout the race? 

725
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,680
Like you have someone watched 
them while he's with you through

726
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,680
the night? 
Or how's that work? 

727
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,440
Yes, I have my, my mom lives 
close by, his parents are close.

728
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,920
We have great friends that come 
and take care of the house and 

729
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,720
and the animals because we have 
a dog, 4 cats, 8 chickens. 

730
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:44,040
And then I have four boys that 
are three to 12 and 16. 

731
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,880
So we got a little bit of 
everything. 

732
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,920
So it definitely takes a village
and and I've got a good one. 

733
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,600
So my mom usually watches them 
during, you know, races that are

734
00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:01,400
far or more driving involved and
overnight stays and things like 

735
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,160
that. 
She'll stay here and watch them.

736
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,800
And actually this next race 
we're going to take them with 

737
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,680
us. 
So we're going to have RV and, 

738
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,080
and take them with us to the 
race. 

739
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,880
This the race I did a few weeks 
back as a training race. 

740
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,320
It was a nine hour run, as many 
miles as you can in nine hours 

741
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,680
on the the 5K loop. 
The babies were there for a 

742
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,320
little bit and it was really 
refreshing to come come in from 

743
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,840
each loop and see them. 
I didn't realize how much I 

744
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,880
enjoyed having them there. 
I'm sure my husband didn't as 

745
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,080
much as he's out there and 
they're just wanting me while 

746
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,200
I'm out in the woods. 
But it it's definitely nice to 

747
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,840
to come around each loop and see
family and friends and it just 

748
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,480
gives you, you know, that fresh 
energy before going back out. 

749
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,360
So it's going to be it's going 
to be fun having them with me at

750
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,680
this next one. 
We'll see if they have fun. 

751
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Everybody else has fun. 
Yeah, I feel like, you know, 

752
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,160
having somebody just prick your 
spirits up when you're getting 

753
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,960
in those, those miles, 
especially at night like that, 

754
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,560
that's worth its weight in gold 
right there. 

755
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,560
Oh my gosh, yes. 
And like I said, my husband is 

756
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,240
like, if I'm like, this is not 
what am I doing? 

757
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,040
Why am I here? 
He's like an instant like OK, 

758
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,640
we're going to shut that down. 
And I'm like I'm hurting. 

759
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,600
He's like good. 
Like that's what you came here 

760
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
to do and that's what we're 
doing. 

761
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,560
So did you have? 
But yeah, like I mentioned 

762
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,280
before, I've had Pacers in the 
last in the 50 mile, the BP and 

763
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,640
50 mile race that was in Austin.
And then I've had Pacers at my 

764
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,960
first 100 Miller and then I had 
it in Sedona. 

765
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,400
And just having the person to 
talk to in the night makes it go

766
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:53,040
by faster and gives you a little
bit of, you know, a fresh, fresh

767
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,680
day, You know, because you're 
just, you're just out there just

768
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,640
talking to yourself for hours. 
And then it's like, OK, finally 

769
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,760
I have somebody to talk to. 
Now I have somebody that'll 

770
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,840
listen to me and check on me and
make sure like you can stop 

771
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960
thinking for a little bit 
because your pacer kind of 

772
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,800
thinks for you. 
Like, have you had nutrition? 

773
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Are you drinking your water? 
What else do you need when we go

774
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,520
into an aid station? 
Because you forget you, you just

775
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,840
your brain is in constantly 
going. 

776
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,600
And so it, it just by the end of
the race, when you're, you have 

777
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,400
30 miles left, your, your brain 
is fried. 

778
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,160
And it's nice to have that 
pacer. 

779
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,560
That's like, OK, you told me you
needed this, this and this. 

780
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,680
So when we go into this aid 
station, I want to make sure you

781
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,040
have it. 
So I've had a couple of really 

782
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,920
great Pacers do that like a. 
System you got to you got to run

783
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,320
through when you stop at an aid 
station to just knock out like 

784
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,560
the hit list. 
Otherwise you're you're in total

785
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,920
disarray when you start running 
again. 

786
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,600
Exactly. 
I have. 

787
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440
My husband knows what I want and
need each loop. 

788
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,920
I usually text him I'm a mile 
out and I need this. 

789
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,960
I need Tylenol, I need more 
electrolytes and I need a water 

790
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,520
and a sandwich. 
And he's literally standing 

791
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,120
there with it in his arms. 
I'll pull out my empty stuff and

792
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,520
hand it to him and we swap out 
and I just keep going. 

793
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,960
Because if you sit down in a 
chair like I did in Sedona, 

794
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,480
there were so many unnecessary 
stops and wasted time that you 

795
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,320
don't know until you do a race 
of that caliber you have to do 

796
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,600
this year that I did it. 
It was a learning opportunity 

797
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,360
and and a time to take notes 
next year. 

798
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,880
It's like, OK, we know what we 
did wrong. 

799
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,600
We know what we're not going to 
do this year. 

800
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:40,760
Now it's time to to put the 
hammer down in work and get it 

801
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,240
done. 
This time, like the first time, 

802
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,000
was putting some feelers out 
there and then the next, the 

803
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,560
next one is like, all right, 
let's go well. 

804
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,920
When you start increasing the 
distance, like you get just so 

805
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,120
many more variables that come to
play. 

806
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,800
Like when I had Mike on last 
time, we were talking about his,

807
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,840
I think we did the Coco donor 
250 or something. 

808
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,040
And like with that distance, 
like he'll typically, you know, 

809
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,560
take a little break from time to
time throughout the night to 

810
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,800
like get a little bit of sleep. 
But it's like if you sleep too 

811
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
much, you start getting stiff 
and everyone's got like a 

812
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,360
different window of time that 
that, you know, happens in. 

813
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,760
So it's like you got to just, 
you know, test all these things 

814
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,760
out. 
There's so many variables. 

815
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Oh yeah, with each, like you 
said, 100 mile race and a 200 

816
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,080
mile race are two totally 
different things. 

817
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,080
Sedona, I never slept. 
I probably, there was a point 

818
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,080
that I probably should have 
taken a nap, but I didn't. 

819
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,960
I think it took me 45 hours to 
do that race. 

820
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,440
So there was no sleep in that 
time. 

821
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,760
And there was, and I mean 0 
naps, not a 5 minute nap, not a 

822
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,800
10 minute nap, absolutely no 
sleep. 

823
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,400
There were a couple times in the
woods when I was just like, hey,

824
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,800
I'm I just need to lay on on my 
stomach for a second or lay on 

825
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,760
my back and just like give me 5 
minutes. 

826
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,200
But it was never anything that I
could close my eyes and actually

827
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,400
get some sleep. 
Now I think with with longer 

828
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,560
distance, yes, that's something 
that you would have to throw in 

829
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,880
there. 
Obviously that way you can 

830
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,680
continue. 
You're only halfway through with

831
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,560
a 200 mile race when you're 100 
miles in, I mean, think how much

832
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,560
you have left. 
So yeah, it's a lot of lot 

833
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:26,680
different strategy between 100 
mile, 125 and 202 fifty. 

834
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,400
All right, it it's, it's 
definitely its own beast, those 

835
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,840
longer races. 
And they just keep getting 

836
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,480
longer and longer. 
I mean, I, I saw something 

837
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,240
advertised today for like a 500 
mile race and I'm like, I didn't

838
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,360
even know that was a 
possibility. 

839
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,840
Like people are doing that, but 
it's just, it's like people just

840
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,520
keep pushing the envelope. 
Yeah, I saw someone post the 

841
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,720
other day that they where OK, 
it's time to start training for 

842
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:55,800
the the Monster 300, I believe 
is what it is next year, maybe 

843
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,920
in Arizona or Utah, something 
like that, one of those places. 

844
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
But it's a 300 mile race. 
I'm not sure what it's called or

845
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,560
like I said, where it is, but 
yeah, it's constantly pushing 

846
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,840
your limits. 
And it would be so much fun to 

847
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,720
do something like that. 
It's really hard to even sneak 

848
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:17,240
away with four kids. 
Yeah, for 100 mile race because 

849
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,480
it it it's so time consuming. 
There's logistics, there's you 

850
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:28,720
can't just go and show up and 
just run a race like they're 100

851
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,440
mile distance. 
There's planning to it is 

852
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,560
getting there, you know, a 
couple days before and making 

853
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,000
sure that your body is ready, 
making sure you have everything 

854
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,680
prepared and packed and you have
drop bags and yeah, it's it's 

855
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,280
definitely strategic. 
So yeah, it's the 100. 

856
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Maybe one day I'd do a 200 mile 
distance if I could fit that in.

857
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,240
But right now I'm really 
enjoying the 100 mile distance. 

858
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,800
That's good, good distance for 
me, I feel like. 

859
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Yeah, no, that's super, super 
impressive. 

860
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,440
What what do you say when when 
people ask about like just the, 

861
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,880
the wear and tear on your body? 
Like, I know ultra derntiators 

862
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,360
get a lot of Flack about, you 
know, that can't be good for 

863
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,320
your joints. 
They can't be good for your your

864
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,840
knees, your hips, your feet, 
like you're, you're wearing 

865
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,480
yourself down. 
Like, do you feel like that is 

866
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,080
true or do you feel like, yeah, 
that's. 

867
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,840
True. 
Not at all. 

868
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,840
The benefit? 
Cycle. 

869
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,240
I don't think it's true at all. 
I did CrossFit, like I said, 

870
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,120
competitive heavy, heavy 
lifting, CrossFit, barbell 

871
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,920
cycling, heavyweight for 5-6 
years and that tore my body down

872
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,800
a little bit. 
But your body is so resilient 

873
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,440
and if you're consistent with 
your training, your body gets 

874
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,600
used to the demand that you put 
on it. 

875
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,800
Like the first 50 Ki ran, I told
you the next day I I could not 

876
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,960
walk. 
The next time I ran A50 Ki felt 

877
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,480
like the next day I was totally 
fine. 

878
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,520
And it was a very similar race 
with the similar elevation 

879
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,720
profile and things like that. 
So it wasn't like one was 16,000

880
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,520
feet of gain and the other one 
was 2000. 

881
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,640
No, it's just my body responded 
well because it knew this time 

882
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,720
around what I had done and how 
it needed to recover. 

883
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,760
So each time you add distance to
your to your races or your 

884
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:25,040
training, you know, just your 
body responds to it well and, or

885
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,120
can respond to it well if you do
it the right way. 

886
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,400
And, you know, slowly add 
mileage each week and recovery, 

887
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,680
recovery is so important. 
And you know, if not just as 

888
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,600
important as getting all that 
time on your feet. 

889
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520
And that's one of those things I
think that you kind of learn 

890
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,880
with age. 
When I did CrossFit so 

891
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,920
competitively, seven days a 
week, I was like, I don't have 

892
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,640
time to rest. 
I don't have, you know, I've got

893
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,080
to be in the gym. 
I've got to do this. 

894
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,200
I can't take a day off AM and PM
sessions and just not 

895
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,720
recovering. 
And your hormones go wild. 

896
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:09,800
And as you gain maturity with 
age, it's like, yeah, I think 

897
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
I'm gonna take a rest day. 
Like I don't feel like I'm fully

898
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,720
recovered. 
And I think it's smart to take a

899
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,040
rest day. 
And lo and behold, the next 

900
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,160
couple of training days are 
phenomenal because gave back to 

901
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,720
my body what it was given back 
to me. 

902
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Yeah, no, 100%, totally, 
completely agree. 

903
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,840
I feel like the body is just so 
much more adaptable and people 

904
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,640
give it credit for. 
You just have to be smart about 

905
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,360
it. 
You have to consume ample 

906
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,080
nutrition too. 
Like a lot of people that are 

907
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,520
chronically under eating like 
they're not doing themselves any

908
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,000
favors. 
You're are you tracking your 

909
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,640
macros at all? 
Are you pretty much just eating 

910
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,400
intuitively? 
I don't know. 

911
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,840
I tracked macros for so long 
when I was competing in CrossFit

912
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,960
and it was just one of those 
things where I said, I'm done 

913
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,440
with this. 
I don't want to do that. 

914
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Like it's so time consuming, you
know, just did a regular diet 

915
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,440
and exercise and through both 
pregnancies ate pretty much 

916
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,840
everything. 
And then, you know, ate healthy 

917
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,360
and then tracked a little bit. 
And again, it was just like, 

918
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,440
this is not for me. 
It's not like, I just don't 

919
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:17,240
think it's like a realistic 
approach to a busy mom, a busy 

920
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,640
dad. 
Like, you know, there's so many 

921
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,160
other things going on in your 
everyday life that how do you 

922
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,040
have time to track numbers like 
that? 

923
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,400
Like, I just don't. 
I think that if you make prote, 

924
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,560
protein and fat a probability 
and listen to your body, then 

925
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,960
everything else will fall in 
mind. 

926
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,760
Yeah, especially if you're doing
keto carnivore, like it's much 

927
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,320
easier to eat intuitively and 
hit the right numbers because 

928
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,280
your body's satiety signalling 
is so much more in tune with 

929
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,480
what your body actually needs. 
Right. 

930
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,360
And before I would eat until I 
was just like, Oh my gosh, I'm 

931
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
so full. 
Like I just ate a whole pizza by

932
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,680
myself. 
And then now it's like I'm like 

933
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,760
3 boiled eggs in and I still 
have half a pound of ground beef

934
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,440
on my plate. 
And I'm like, I can actually 

935
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,400
hear my body saying, OK, you're 
full. 

936
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,880
Like I'm like, oh like I don't 
actually have to finish 

937
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,960
everything on this plate. 
Like my body's telling me I'm 

938
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,920
full and I can listen to it. 
No, 100%. 

939
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,120
That's awesome. 
I'm hopeful that more, you know,

940
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,920
endurance athletes look to keto 
carnivore. 

941
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,280
That's kind of. 
Been I do too. 

942
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,320
Yeah, I mean, I think that, I 
mean, it's just healthier. 

943
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,200
It's it's better from a 
psychological standpoint. 

944
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,800
From a physiological standpoint,
it's more, you know, native to 

945
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,760
what we're supposed to be 
consuming as a species. 

946
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,600
So it's awesome talking to 
people like you that are moving 

947
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,440
that needle forward. 
So by all means, keep doing it. 

948
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,040
And it's so easy to do. 
And I mean, it's literally eggs,

949
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,560
beef, and but you have to give 
it time. 

950
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,520
That's The thing is just just 
like anything great, you have to

951
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,800
be patient with things. 
It doesn't happen overnight. 

952
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,640
It took, you know, 60 days for 
my body to come to somewhat 

953
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,080
abnormal after getting off the 
antidepressant and using 

954
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,440
carnivore diets as medicine. 
But once I saw things change, 

955
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,840
you know, that's when it's like,
wow, like, OK, that's worth it. 

956
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,040
But you have to, you got to try 
it and give it time first. 

957
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Just like anything great you 
have to, you've got to put in 

958
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,320
the work and be consistent with 
the no A. 100% agree with you on

959
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,440
that one. 
Well where do people go to find 

960
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,640
out more about you? 
Following are you? 

961
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Are you documenting this race in
10 days? 

962
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,520
I'm assuming you're probably 
putting all this stuff on your 

963
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,600
social and whatnot. 
Yeah, I use Instagram majority 

964
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,160
of everything, you know, I do a 
little TikTok, no TikTok dances 

965
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,920
or anything like that. 
It's basically the same thing I 

966
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,640
post on Instagram. 
But yeah, Instagram AK dot 

967
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,960
McClellan. 
I post to my stories, I post 

968
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,560
videos each day and, you know, 
try to help people with shown 

969
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,760
them that the keto carnivore 
diet works for endurance 

970
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,440
athletes. 
I try to show people that hard 

971
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,160
work pays off, that if you're a 
mom with four kids and a house 

972
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,440
full of animals and, and a 
husband, that you could still, 

973
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,880
you know, achieve great things. 
And just trying to inspire 

974
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,480
people, you know, to, to live 
each day to their full 

975
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,480
potential. 
That's what's all about. 

976
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,040
I mean that that's what's all 
about. 

977
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,960
So keep keep preaching that 
message for sure. 

978
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,840
What what did you do to tell a 
tangent right now, but you got 

979
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,720
chickens and dogs. 
I have. 

980
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,320
Chickens. 
I had chickens and then I got a 

981
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,760
dog and now I got no more 
chickens. 

982
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,280
So how'd you kind of keep them 
separated? 

983
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,000
We have a big goofy dog. 
We have a greater Swiss mountain

984
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,600
dog. 
He's a year old, he's 120 lbs 

985
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,520
and he hasn't even filled in 
yet. 

986
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,640
But he's just a big goofy, fun 
dog that just plays with the 

987
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,760
cats. 
He plays with the chickens. 

988
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,240
Our chickens are free range, so 
we have a little area for them, 

989
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,120
but they never stay in it and 
we're totally fine with that. 

990
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,000
They they eat grass more than 
they eat the chicken feed that 

991
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,400
we put out for him. 
And so all the animals, the cat,

992
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,720
even the cats are used to them. 
I have a couple cats that are 

993
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:17,280
indoor outdoor cats and he will 
literally go down there and just

994
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
hang out with the chickens and 
then go into his own thing. 

995
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,720
But we do have a hawk around 
here that we have to watch 

996
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,440
gotcha with the chickens. 
That's the only thing that gives

997
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,480
us trouble around here is a 
little hawk that wants to bother

998
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,440
my chickens. 
Yeah, can't be having that. 

999
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,440
We, we got a Connie Corso pup. 
He's seven months old now. 

1000
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,760
He's Oh yeah. 
And he's just growing like a 

1001
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,160
freaking weed. 
He he's carnivore. 

1002
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,160
He's eating. 
He's eating raw meat. 

1003
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,840
And he's eating. 
Like 10 lbs every every month it

1004
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,800
seems. 
Yes, we, we do the raw diet for 

1005
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,080
Packer and it's been wonderful. 
Oh my gosh, his coat. 

1006
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:58,720
And like I had mentioned before,
I did meal plans for people for 

1007
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,560
eight years and I never knew the
research on a keto or a 

1008
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:11,280
carnivore diet and how amazing 
it is for humans and for your 

1009
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,280
dogs. 
And so one of the the biggest 

1010
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,160
reasons I started doing it was 
when we got this dog, we 

1011
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,320
committed to doing a carnivore 
raw food diet for him. 

1012
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280
And I thought, if he's eating 
this good, I need to be eating 

1013
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,600
this good. 
Like we all need to be eating 

1014
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,600
this good, not just my dog like 
I need to, if my dog's eating 

1015
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,880
better than I am, I need 
something needs to change. 

1016
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,080
But his coat is so clear, he's 
healthy. 

1017
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,000
Like there's a a book called The
Forever Dog I believe is what it

1018
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360
is. 
Such a great book on research 

1019
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,840
with dog food and the industry 
and all that. 

1020
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Really good book. 
It's so weird that like, like we

1021
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,920
take our dog, you know, the vet 
occasionally for his, you know, 

1022
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,240
normal check UPS as he's 
growing. 

1023
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,600
And it's weird because they'll 
be like, oh, he looks so great. 

1024
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,360
He's grown. 
His coat looks amazing. 

1025
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,640
His teeth are perfect. 
Like he's so attentive. 

1026
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,040
What are you feeding them? 
And then I'll be feeding them 

1027
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,040
raw carnivore. 
And then they'll be like, Oh, 

1028
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,480
yeah, but you should really 
increase your vegetation. 

1029
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,160
You should add some more, you 
know, kibbled food in there. 

1030
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,080
And it's like, you just got to 
tell me how great he was 

1031
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,000
looking. 
Like don't, don't be going back 

1032
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,480
on yours. 
Yeah, it's like, why would I 

1033
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,760
change anything? 
See, he had some skin issues, 

1034
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,040
which were like an allergy, 
outdoor allergy kind of thing. 

1035
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,760
But when we took him to the vet,
they said his first vet, they 

1036
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,680
said, what is his diet? 
And I told him and they're oh, 

1037
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,120
well, how is he getting his 
carbs? 

1038
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,480
And I'm like, have you not done 
research that have you seen what

1039
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,080
is, have you read what is in 
kibble? 

1040
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,920
How could this diet be bad for 
him? 

1041
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,880
And so that anyways, that was 
the last time we spoke with her.

1042
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000
So and, and he's still on a raw 
diet and his allergies have 

1043
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,600
completely cleared up. 
So and his coat is so shiny 

1044
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,000
black and he is such a youthful,
playful dog. 

1045
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920
It's just he's awesome. 
That's the way to do it. 

1046
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,880
Well, I did just look up the the
Arkansas Travellers, 100 miles. 

1047
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,000
That's in Central Arkansas and 
it goes right around Lake 

1048
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,120
Winona, which is a place I used 
to kill. 

1049
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,080
It's a National Forest. 
I used to go camp out there when

1050
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,840
I was in high school. 
Super pretty, super pretty spot.

1051
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,240
So you're going to be in a very 
beautiful part of the state for 

1052
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,560
sure. 
Wow, that's awesome. 

1053
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,360
You know, we used to growing up,
we always July 4th weekend went 

1054
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:37,240
out to Hot Springs, yeah, 
Arkansas and we would camp and, 

1055
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,200
you know, get in the river. 
Oh my gosh. 

1056
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,720
So freezing cold and and, you 
know, just stay the weekend and 

1057
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,240
we always left our vacation, our
yearly vacation in Arkansas. 

1058
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,720
That was a lot of fun. 
So I haven't been back to 

1059
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Arkansas. 
Oh my gosh. 

1060
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,040
Probably since my junior, senior
year in high school. 

1061
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,280
So it's always beautiful when I 
was there. 

1062
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,640
Now, is that close by to where 
you are now? 

1063
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,720
It's about 2 1/2 hours South 
from where I'm at currently and 

1064
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,960
I'm going to be in, I'm going to
be in March, those 50 miles in 

1065
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,160
Omaha. 
Oh, that's right. 

1066
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So I didn't. 

1067
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,200
I just put those two together. 
So I'll be out when you're here,

1068
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,880
but you're going to be in a 
pretty spot at least, so that'll

1069
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,280
be good. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

1070
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Well, you lucked out because I 
was going to make you start 

1071
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,920
training and pace me in the 
race, but maybe, maybe another 

1072
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,480
one. 
Hey, we'll do it again for sure.

1073
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,400
I love what you're doing. 
By all means, keep preaching the

1074
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,520
message, keep doing what you're 
doing, keep inspiring people, 

1075
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,520
and keep showing what's possible
without carbohydrates. 

1076
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,880
Alyssa, awesome, awesome 
conversation. 

1077
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,760
I will certainly link out to 
your profile and that people can

1078
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,360
follow along with a journey. 
Yeah. 

1079
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,640
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited that we finally 

1080
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,680
got this on the calendar and got
it done and got to talk about 

1081
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,720
some fun stuff. 
A. 100% Well, let's definitely 

1082
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,320
keep the conversation going all.
Right. 

1083
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,440
Sounds good. 
Thank you. 

1084
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:53,960
Take care.