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What's going on, ladies and 
gents, Robert Sykes, keto 

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Savage.com, and I've got special
guest. 

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Corey Madras, go online today 
and we're going to dive into the

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goruck race competitions. 
Which I honestly don't know much

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about, but he's gonna enlighten 
me 

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without further Ado. 
How are you boy? 

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I'm doing awesome. 
Robert, how are you man? 

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Man, I'm great, I'm great, never
better. 

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So yeah, give the audience. 
Go back man on you how long you 

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been doing Ketone? 
Just kind of what got you into 

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this space in the first place. 
Um it's a little muddy when 

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exactly I started keto cuz I 
first learned about it from Tim 

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Ferriss has for our body book 
and I think that was back in 

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April last year is when I kind 
of started to go Quito and I did

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a go rock event and then like I 
got done with it and immediately

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I'm like, I need Cakes. 
And then I just wrecked 

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everything that I had done. 
So I kind of went away from it 

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for a while. 
And then back in June last year,

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I started going at hardcore, 
discovered your podcast, I 

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discovered Brian Williamson, and
Danny Vega's stuff and and 

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started gleaning some real. 
Good tips and advice on how to 

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keep me and he do so, I started 
refining what I was eating and 

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my methods and tracking better 
and getting an idea what macros 

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I should be hitting and so I've 
been going strong since I would 

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say June 26 I want to say is 
when I started going serious and

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I've only broken keto about 
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Since then. 
Very nice man. 

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Very nice. 
The I've read the 4-Hour Body 

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and he Advocates like the slow 
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I think I remember correctly. 
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He I mean his method seems more 
like the cyclical keto, which it

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takes me too long to get in the 
zone so I don't want to mess 

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that up. 
So I tried not to do any cheat 

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days or nothing like that. 
Yeah, I agree man I think you 

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just buckle down and kind of put
your head down and get to work 

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and stay keto for for a while. 
Strict he do then you just lose 

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all the desire to break that 
cycle in the first place, right?

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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And I mean, And it's been 
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I mean, the typical, you know, 
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start Quito and then they get 
that fast weight loss real quick

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and you know, that 10 pounds of 
water weight just flies right 

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off. 
Yeah. 

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And then you kind of slow down 
but I mean, look at my graph. 

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There's a pretty good slope to 
what I've been doing over these 

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past few months and I'm 
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pounds. 
Now just in that sense since 

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July. 
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June, It's a currently it's it 
says 71 on my fitness pal but 

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you scared to weigh myself 
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So I was like, 290, 291 
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today, I was, I was pushing to 
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That's crazy, man. 
It's awesome though. 

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Congrats, I'll thank you, thank 
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Have you like done like body 
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if you build muscle during that 
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Um, I took and I did my first 
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year and I was reading about 31 
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And then just last month, I went
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And I was down to 25% and I'd 
put on five pounds of muscle. 

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See, that's, that's awesome, 
man, because like, I don't know,

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like, a lot of people the Dogma 
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keto first of all then you can't
build muscle while restricting 

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calories. 
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many instances of people like 
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example, losing body, fat and 
building muscle simultaneously, 

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and just feeling much better in 
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Oh, I gotta tell you, man, the 
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Scan done. 
Is I live in Toledo, Ohio, which

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And so I'm real close to Epsilon
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Michigan. 
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Michigan University in order to 
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And the first time I went in the
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you know, Aikido. 
It's really hard for people to 

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build muscle and so I had to 
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second skin and she was the 
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And it's like, oh look at that 
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Mmm, did she say anything or did
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She's, you see seized dozens of 
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that dexa, scan is like the only
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of. 
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you been able to tell difference
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and just kind of seeing your own
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Oh yeah man it's like I got that
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Now, I see definition, I like I 
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when I take a shower because 
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So is just an Abe orphis blob. 
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and I can name the muscles. 
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Hmm. 
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like bodybuilders in general 
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really Vain and they just look 
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mirror all time. 
Yada yada yada but it's pretty 

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freaking cool to be able to have
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manipulate, you know, how lean 
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How much muscle you have, how 
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And then to be able to see these
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know on a day-to-day basis 
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months. 
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That's powerful. 
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don't know how to do that so you
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that's awesome man. 
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the outside looking in, it might
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mean, you put a lot of work into
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bodybuilders, like you who 
really know how to manipulate 

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the muscles and make them grow, 
you know, you do you want to 

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appreciate all the hard work you
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So yeah, you it's okay to look 
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It's just just don't let it go 
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Yeah, I agree. 
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He's got like this old muscle 
car that Built that it was his 

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first car when he was 16 to 68 
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it's just like a work of art now
and every time he drives it you 

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know people would be like 
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at it drive by and he just like 
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you know he put all this work 
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appreciating what's there and I 
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than somebody's physique you 
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into something and it's not bad 
for people to acknowledge that 

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that you look great. 
You You know, you built this and

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people respect the time and 
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Like there's nothing bad about 
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Exactly, I can't agree more. 
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Kind of like your your sporting 
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Like what got you into, the 
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that. 
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Um, well, I mean go rock is it's
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It's not really a sport. 
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sport yet. 
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combination leadership, training
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Rolled into one i-i'll take you 
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timeline, back in 2013, I was 
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started a new job. 
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assistant by trade and the job I
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aquatic therapist at an 
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Toledo. 
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a 94-degree pool all day with my
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people to do exercises so I give
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better. 
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you get real self-conscious you 
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I think I was about 3:30 and so 
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didn't lose a single pound. 
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bit of Coaching with a local 
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all things. 
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say it because I never thought 
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Hey, that dietary change I would
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And it's like, what, what, what 
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What were you eating previously?
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the standard American diet 
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was fast food. 
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drive to work and on the way hit
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3mc griddles and diet pop and 
and shall that down and then go 

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to work and do Five hours in the
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and then go to Chipotle and grab
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Like they're nothing come back 
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another four hours on land and 
then do a mess of notes and then

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go home and eat whatever, you 
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And so I was pretty hefty dude 
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swimming pool. 
Shirt off off being the person 

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that's trying to teach other 
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feel pain free. 
I think there's an expectation 

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there where, you know, you 
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lot of people in my field will 
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some extent yes you know my balm
type doesn't Define my 

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Professional Knowledge, but at 
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expectation and that if you 
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expectation, You're kind of 
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away. 
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And not in a negative way. 
I mean, we're all good 

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clinicians. 
We all care about what we do, 

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but if you can align their 
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they receive. 
I think you get a more positive 

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outcome. 
I agree. 

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So from, you know, standard 
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vegan veganism that what we're 
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man. 
I never tried to be. 

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I didn't like what was it 
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Then back in the day, I used to 
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And I think it was just me 
deluding myself. 

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She it started out almost paleo.
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So I was kind of doing paleo. 
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was going through school and so 
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of switched it slowly. 
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And before I knew it, I was 
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and taking a juice for lunch and
then eaten, a completely 

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meat-free dinner will ever like 
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I like a marinara sauce and, and
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And I remember just feeling cold
all the time when I wasn't in 

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the pool hole. 
And nowadays, I've switched over

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to Quito and I just feel 
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All the time, was there like a 
pretty significant shift in? 

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Like, just how you felt the Sue 
just pushed over like that. 

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Take time. 
Um, well I mean, I didn't switch

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over until last year. 
So I kind of, I kind of got away

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from the vegan once I plateaued 
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And so I was like, well, I'm 
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Plateaued, what do I do? 
And then is there was a CrossFit

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gym in town, so I was like, well
maybe I'll go build some muscle 

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and that'll get things moving. 
So I did CrossFit for three 

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years here in town, and I really
liked it, but really didn't see 

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any change my body come up. 
I mean muscle mass one up, but I

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was still kind of soft. 
One of my friends there is named

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Michael to yushik, He told me 
about goruck, and when I was in 

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high school, I really wanted to 
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I thought that's where I was 
going to gonna spend the rest of

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my life in high school. 
I went to military entrance 

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processing station or as they 
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fun time. 
If you ever talk to somebody 

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who's been in the military, or 
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there's a little thing called 
the underwear parade where they 

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have, you do all these movements
and the doctors, At the military

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or just assessing you to make 
sure you don't have any injuries

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or anything prior to entering so
that you don't work the system 

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or something like that. 
So did that went through the 

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whole process and then the guys 
at the map station go, you're 

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too heavy so they didn't let me 
in the military because it is 

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too heavy. 
And then just a few years ago I 

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got diagnosed with narcolepsy. 
Which Which is a sleep disorder,

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is characterized by excessive 
daytime sleepiness. 

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So there's no waiver in the 
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narcolepsy. 
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serve because they're too 
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asleep at your post and, you 
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situation for you or your unit. 
So he told me about goruck and I

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was all about it and he goes You
put on this weighted backpack 

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you show up to handle this guy 
from the Special Forces come 

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out. 
He tell you what to do, and then

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at the end, they give you a 
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sounds pretty awesome. 
I mean, the patch, I don't 

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really care but, you know, cool.
Yeah, it's something to do on a 

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weekend. 
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event was I got it here. 
I was in Detroit. 

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Oi class 883 on July 25th. 2015,
it was a goruck alight and we 

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had to Cadre there. 
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sergeant and I honestly can't 
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hours of them, putting us 
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That sounds amazing. 
You don't even know what to 

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expect, right? 
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everything might be totally 
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All, that's the thing. 
There are no obstacles. 

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All of this is done. 
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Plaza and you all gather at the 
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They do a roll call and, you 
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then they start having you. 
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with your your backpack, on your
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And then you'll do pt here or 
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objects which we did both, we 
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PT. 
We got to see some of the sights

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of the town. 
I know recently. 

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Well not recently within the 
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the old Tiger Stadium and so 
they still have the baseball 

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diamond there, but none of the 
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So we got to rock all the way 
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Detroit River. 
All the ways of the old Tiger 

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which I thought was really cool.
That's awesome. 

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And so like there I mean that I 
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this but I guess they're all 
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like an organization that 
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of done in-house. 
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contracted? 
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the origin to go rock and I'll 
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Reader's Digest version goruck, 
was started by a Green Beret. 

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His name is Jason McCarthy. 
He came up with the idea to 

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build like the best backpack 
ever, you wanted to be very 

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functional, very tough and 
American-made. 

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So he kind of sketched out a 
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napkin. 
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military, he started working on 
being an entrepreneur and 

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basically built the The goruck 
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it was the best backpack ever. 
He came up with the goruck 

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challenge and this was probably 
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dates. 
I want to say it was 2008. 

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there wasn't a lot of 
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nobody knew really what it was 
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Ben showed up. 
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pretty arduous. 
It was, they didn't tell anybody

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exactly what they're going to be
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there. 
Just said, pack this stuff and 

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show up and then they proceeded 
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event. 
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Now they have multiple levels of
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So there's What's called the 
goruck light which is roughly 

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about 4 to 5 hours. 
You cover about 7 to 10 miles. 

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And they like to say there's 100
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I can tell you. 
There's no it's not always 100% 

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pass rate, but we'll get to that
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They have the tough, which used 
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they Changed it. 
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about 15 to 20 miles and it has 
a 94 percent pass rate. 

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Then they have the heavy, heavy 
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pass rate and you cover 40 plus 
miles. 

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So, what like, what all is in 
the backpack? 

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I want to show you can we how 
much these way goruck has a 

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packing list on their website 
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what level of event you're 
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So like a light if you're under 
150 You carry 10 pounds of 

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weight and your rock. 
If you're over 150, you carry 

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20, and then with the tough and 
heavy, if you're under 150 

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pounds, it's 20 pounds. 
If you're over its 30 pounds, in

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addition to that, you're going 
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So you got to have a water 
bladder, you got to have a 

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Nalgene in case you start 
getting really dehydrated and 

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they got to give you 
electrolytes. 

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You have to have a headlamp and 
extra batteries for the headlamp

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and then you know, in addition 
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like a dry bag or a Pelican case
to keep your wallet or your cell

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phone dry because all too often 
you're going to end up in a body

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of water or you're going to be 
going through a fountain or 

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something. 
You want your cell phone to die.

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I don't want to lose your car 
keys. 

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You don't want to your want your
soggy wallet. 

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So That. 
And then you can have whatever 

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Comfort items you want. 
So, you know, we call them lick,

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he's and Chewy's and, you know, 
any kind of food changes socks. 

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The big thing and I should buy 
stock in this is It's called 

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body light. 
It's an anti chafing almost like

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deodorant kind of thing and then
usually like a couple of 

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carabiners in case you need that
for during weights and what not?

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And then like a windbreaker or 
something to insulate you from 

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the elements because it doesn't 
matter if it's raining, it's 

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shining, it's snowing. 
If as long as the the National 

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Guard isn't there, keep in 
martial law, the go rocks, doing

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an event, so it doesn't matter 
what the weather is you're out 

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there. 
What, like I said I can meet, 

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you know, regulation as far as 
you know what you're wearing 

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like your Footwear and 
everything. 

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Um, that is like the running 
joke. 

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Within the goruck community, 
goruck people, we refer to 

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ourselves as G RTS, goruck tough
but there's also another name we

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go by is weirdos because if 
you're walking around or well if

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you're driving around in a city 
and you see a bunch of 40 people

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and backpacks, that kind of look
like their paramilitary. 

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You're like what are those 
weirdos doing? 

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Yeah. 
So the weirdos really To the big

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discussion is what, what do you 
wear? 

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What shoes do I wear? 
What boots do I wear? 

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And it was explained to me best 
by one of the goruck Cadre. 

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He said it's Shooters choice. 
You got to find out what works 

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for you. 
So for a goruck light, they are 

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usually recommend tennis shoes 
for a tough. 

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You can do tennis shoes or trail
shoes. 

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If that works for you. 
Me personally, I like to use 

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boots. 
So I wear boots for all my 

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events now because I like the 
ankle support and the first 

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light I did in Detroit, they 
ended up making us crab walk 

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through a fountain over by the 
river and then they had his bear

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crawl back through the fountain 
and by the time I was all done, 

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my shoes were soggy and I had 
worn out like the back lip part 

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there and it was like rubbing on
my heel. 

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And so I was like No, never 
doing never doing tennis shoes 

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again. 
What kind of boots you use them?

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I use Rockies. 
See, 40s, which are discontinued

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their. 
It's almost like a jungle boot 

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style. 
They have drainage holes on the 

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inside. 
So that if you get water in 

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them, it can drain out and then 
you're not like walking in a 

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water bed. 
I also have a pair of Rocky's SV

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2's. 
I believe those are all of the 

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ones I used for wintertime. 
I just just got to use those for

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a tough and a light back to back
in Columbus and they worked out 

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real well, and you've done like 
20 of these events know. 

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Right. 
I've done to date 16 total 

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events and I'm signed up for I 
think it's 19 for this year 

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with. 
I already got two down. 

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That's crazy man is like you got
several each month. 

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It's like being in the National 
Guard. 

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I like I gotta do two events, 
every every month, one weekend a

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month for the rest of the year. 
But it's just funny because it's

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just grown exponentially. 
I started out. 

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I only did two events my first 
year and then I did five events 

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my second year. 
And then my third year, I think 

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I did seven events, but I got 
sick and then I couldn't do as 

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many as I wanted to do. 
So then this year, they were 

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there running the sale and I 
drink the Kool-Aid and bought up

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every event that they were doing
in Michigan City. 

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You travel outside of Michigan 
or do you pretty much? 

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Keep it all local. 
Um, I've traveled a little bit, 

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I live in Toledo, so it's right 
there by the Michigan, Ohio 

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border. 
So, I've been up to Ann Arbor to

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do an event. 
I've done Detroit. 

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I've gone over to Cleveland 
Columbus. 

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As far as Traverse City and then
I even did one event in Indiana.

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Which was a go rocks, firearms 
training in event and in 

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addition to their endurance 
events that you firearms 

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training and they do survival 
training and stuff like that. 

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So it's more than just endurance
events but endurance events that

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are what hooked me. 
So, what's like the? 

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Like if you can look back over 
the 16th at you, Done so far. 

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Was it like one that stood out 
as being the most mentally and 

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physically just draining? 
Oh yes. 

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Let me see that one. 
A detail, man. 

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I'm curious. 
Okay, so it was Veterans Day. 

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We're trying to think. 
I think that was 16. 

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Yeah, that was that was Veterans
Day last year. 

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Yes. 
No, not last year that was 17. 

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So, yeah, I was 16 November, Ann
Arbor Michigan, and it was about

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know. 
It was, it was cold. 

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It was real cold. 
I hate the cold. 

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You know, it live in Ohio 
working in Michigan. 

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You think I get used to the cold
but it doesn't matter. 

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How used to it? 
You never all the way used to 

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it. 
So the start time for that, it 

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was a tough start time was 9:00 
at night. 

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They wanted us to meet at this 
park near pretty much where all 

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the hospitals are in Ann Arbor, 
because you've got the VA, 

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you've got University of 
Michigan health system. 

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So there's tons of hospitals and
and things and in Ann Arbor and 

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we're in this big Park and I 
remember looking at the event 

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page on Facebook and I just 
couldn't believe how many people

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are showing up and we had 
something like 118 participants 

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show up, which is somewhat 
unusual because normally when I 

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would do an event in Detroit, 
you know, we get 60, 70, maybe 

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80, but For close to 120 people 
show up. 

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That's pretty awesome. 
We had three college or a Cadre,

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are the instructors. 
So, when goruck sends us out on 

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these endurance events, they 
send out someone from the 

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military who is or served as a 
special operator in some 

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capacity. 
So, we're talking Navy Seals 

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Marine Recon Army. 
Jurors are Green Berets Army, 

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Special Forces, Navy corpsman, 
who are attached to the seals. 

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I think there's a couple of Air 
Force comp controllers. 

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May be a PJ. 
I don't quote me on that one. 

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I'm not sure. 
I haven't had any Cadre. 

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Who were Air Force yet? 
But I have had Navy Seals and 

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Rangers and Marine Recon. 
So, our three Cadre for that 

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night was Cadre. 
Michael, who was who is attached

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to Marine Recon? 
Then it was B, squared. 

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Brian squared, he can't write. 
Remember what he was. 

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I want to say. 
He was a marine Recon guys. 

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Well, he was, he's He's kind of 
he had the notoriety as being 

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the toughest Cadre and goruck. 
So yeah, we already knew we were

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in for a smoke Fest there and 
then the third person was Cadre,

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Rooney, who is a, an Army 
Ranger. 

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And little, did I know would 
become actually one of my best 

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friends because I ended up 
coaching him on how to get into 

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keto later. 
Very cool man. 

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Yeah. 
So we show up to this event, 

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it's a big open field and we 
just park, and it's always funny

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00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,200
at these events because you're 
all standing around your middle 

445
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,100
and you're checking your you're 
nervous. 

446
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,300
You know. 
What's it going to be like it's 

447
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,100
always like the qadri come on to
left field. 

448
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:10,000
Like they just they just know 
how to sneak up on everybody. 

449
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:15,400
And I remember Cadre, Michael 
just starts starts yelling for 

450
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
us to get in formation because 
it always starts out. 

451
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,800
The welcome party is usually a 
gear check and then a lot of PT.

452
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
So I think the first thing the 
Hannah's do is put our rocks 

453
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:33,200
down and there was a parking 
garage like directly in front of

454
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,000
us and he says, all right I want
everybody up on. 

455
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:41,300
I want you to get up to the top 
of that parking garage. and back

456
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:46,700
down here and I think it was 
something like six minutes so 

457
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:52,300
the entire class just starts 
booking it and we run up the 

458
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:57,600
fire steps on the one side and 
then I guess somebody had the 

459
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,900
foresight to run up the other 
side or something and open up 

460
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,900
the the door so that we could 
all go across the roof and then 

461
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:08,800
we're booking it across the roof
to the opposite fire stairwell 

462
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,600
and then back down and then Then
back to where he wanted us to 

463
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,400
form up and then it just, it was
it started. 

464
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,600
I was Smoke Fest. 
There was a duck walks and bear 

465
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,400
crawls low crawls. 
It's one of those things were if

466
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,700
somebody messes up the whole 
team suffered for it because I 

467
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,600
go rock event is it's not an 
individual event. 

468
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,800
You you're there to work as a 
team there's only one event 

469
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,000
where you work as an individual 
and that's Selection, we can get

470
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,300
into that later. 
But when you, you show up to 

471
00:30:46,308 --> 00:30:48,700
these events, you got to be 
prepared to work with your team.

472
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,900
There is no, you're not going to
be Captain America and show up 

473
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:57,700
in here and and and can't kind 
of lead the way and be the rock 

474
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,500
star that carries everyone else 
through. 

475
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,800
It's everybody working together 
is what's going to get the job 

476
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,600
done. 
So you know, anytime somebody's,

477
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,700
you know, but it's up in the air
during a push-up. 

478
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,500
Up. 
And if your knees are touching 

479
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:17,000
the ground during bear crawl. 
Yes what go back? 

480
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,600
Do it again. 
Do it right. 

481
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,600
I like it, man. 
I and these sound the sound 

482
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600
pretty internet, interesting. 
I'm curious to try one now. 

483
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:31,600
I think, I mean, if you if you 
had to ask me because I've I 

484
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,100
loved your interview with Marcus
Aurelius Anderson. 

485
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,400
I think he's an awesome fellow. 
I think a goruck event is really

486
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,800
the embodiment of Stowe to 
stoicism because you are going 

487
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200
out there and getting 
comfortable being uncomfortable.

488
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,000
You're embracing the suck, 
you're doing that thing, you 

489
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000
don't want to do so you get 
better at it. 

490
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,900
Mmm. 
And that's that's really what 

491
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:01,300
these events are about because 
there's nowhere else. 

492
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,500
I really know of where you can 
go out and test your leadership 

493
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:10,600
skills and use it to learn 
without having some negative 

494
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,800
repercussions. 
If I go into work and I try to 

495
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,100
be a team lead and I see screw 
something up, I could 

496
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:20,000
potentially end my career but if
I go out on and go run, A event 

497
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,200
and you know, the cadres: for a 
team leader and an assistant 

498
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,100
team leader. 
And I volunteer, this is my 

499
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,000
opportunity to go out there and 
fail and learn from it and 

500
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
become a better person from it. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

501
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,900
I think I don't like, I like the
idea of no one individual wins, 

502
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,000
they all help each other because
I mean like with bodybuilding 

503
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,700
like I love body glance 
individual sport but it's like a

504
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,400
constant push to like be better 
than myself. 

505
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,500
Better myself and was always 
against me. 

506
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,800
But it would be cool to like 
separate from that for a moment 

507
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,300
and like focus on helping 
somebody else be there better 

508
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:06,100
self, you know? 
So it's amazing because there's 

509
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:09,000
a lot of terminology. 
So, if you hear something that I

510
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,200
don't, that isn't quite clear to
you. 

511
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,800
If feel free to speak up, but we
have a term called gray Manning,

512
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,900
and then is where, when you're 
in the middle of event you know 

513
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:25,100
10 hours in its pitch black out,
you've been carrying your rock, 

514
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:29,700
you've been carrying the team 
weight that the you're supposed 

515
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,900
to bring or the weighted 
American flag that we carry out 

516
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:37,500
front of us or the Cadre of 
brought what they call coupons 

517
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,700
which is just extra weighted 
items that really suck to carry 

518
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,100
and they're cumbersome but you 
got to carry it anyway because 

519
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:49,300
he said so people you know start
to they start to shut down, they

520
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,600
To go inside themselves and 
start that negative talk or, you

521
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,000
know, they just, I've been 
carrying it thing for 10 hours. 

522
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,200
I don't want to carry it anymore
and then just so they like carry

523
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
it for 5 minutes and then they 
call for switch. 

524
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,100
And then they go to the back of 
the line. 

525
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:11,800
That's, that's when if, as a 
teammate, if you're standing 

526
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,100
next to that person, you know, 
you're digging in your rock and 

527
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,699
you're looking for that, you 
know, little B little bit of 

528
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,600
beef jerky. 
Key or one of the snacks. 

529
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000
They like to take is 
chocolate-covered espresso beans

530
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,699
that little bit of food. 
You know. 

531
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,900
Can someone suddenly snap 
someone right out of it then it 

532
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:34,300
can be. 
It goes from you know this sucks

533
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,199
too. 
All right, we got this. 

534
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,699
Yeah. 
You know you look to your left. 

535
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,800
You look to your right. 
It's those people next few. 

536
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,600
It's not about you. 
It's about your team and how you

537
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,000
guys can get through this 
together. 

538
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:53,300
It's so it's so cool, man, like 
to do something, especially with

539
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:56,400
other people that you have 
camaraderie with and and nobody 

540
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,800
else like would do that. 
Like, I went to, we were duck 

541
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,200
hunting one time down at the 
farm family got a family farm 

542
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,900
down south and it was like, 
December and we went like two 

543
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:12,400
miles Downriver and then our 
outboard motor, quit on us and 

544
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,200
in the river was up. 
So we had to basically bring 

545
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,500
this boat back upriver. 
So, I jumped in The super fully 

546
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:23,100
clothed and I'm like, holding 
onto the boat and then like 

547
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,900
pulling vines that are hanging 
off the side of the bank for two

548
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,700
miles upriver and like 
everybody's on the boat, you 

549
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,700
know, helping them get to like, 
you know, run another six miles 

550
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,700
back to the cabin. 
It was just, it was, it was 

551
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,000
brutally cold. 
It was just miserable. 

552
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,700
I'm not my blisters but I didn't
prepare for any of this stuff, 

553
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:41,900
you know. 
Oh yeah. 

554
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,800
And it's just, it's just cool 
like that. 

555
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,800
I was smiling the whole time 
because it's like man. 

556
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,500
Nobody else would be doing this.
Nobody else. 

557
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,600
I mean this would be just, you 
know, debilitating for people. 

558
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600
But I love it because it's just 
hard, you know, I love the hard 

559
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,400
things, my brother. 
He used to sail boats out on 

560
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,200
Lake Erie. 
He tell me that he liked to 

561
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:05,100
there's a race called the trans 
Eerie so you getting your 

562
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:09,400
sailboat and sail from one side 
of the Great Lakes to the other 

563
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:14,000
and he loved it because it's 
like how many people do that, 

564
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:18,500
you know, or he could be out 
there in October when the waves 

565
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:22,500
Up and it's raining sideways and
be at the front of the boat just

566
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,300
yelling to his friends. 
We're doing something. 

567
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,600
Yeah, that that's cool man. 
Like people they don't want to 

568
00:36:28,607 --> 00:36:31,900
be uncomfortable and they don't 
want to feel unsafe but then 

569
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:34,500
that's when like you feel alive.
Like when when you're out of 

570
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,400
your comfort zone, when your 
safety is at risk, you know, 

571
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,100
like that's that's when I light 
up. 

572
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,700
Well and I mean to some degree, 
you know, you're never 100% safe

573
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:52,400
but on a go rock event safety. 
She is the priority but at the 

574
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:59,300
same time you know you gotta 
sometimes you got to do, you got

575
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,800
to push it, you got to push it 
and that's that's what we're 

576
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,800
trying to do with those, but I 
get it that adrenaline's pumping

577
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,200
you feel alive and it's just 
that it's that shared experience

578
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,900
it's that you've been through 
something kind of feeling. 

579
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Yeah, absolutely. 
So what happens when people like

580
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800
if somebody Is not, you know, 
finish it. 

581
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
What happens in like they just 
stopped running? 

582
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:29,200
Well, that's one of the things 
that are neglected to mention 

583
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,500
was when you you sign up for an 
event, one of the things on the 

584
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,700
packing list is you're supposed 
to bring $20 in cash, that's 

585
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:40,600
your quitters cash. 
So if you you know in the middle

586
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,900
of the event, you decide this 
isn't for me anymore, you know, 

587
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:47,000
codger gets on their cell phone 
calls, you a taxi and you go 

588
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,600
back to your car, Got you. 
So any moment you could be 

589
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,700
quitting. 
Is that like a? 

590
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,900
I don't like that, like negative
stigma there. 

591
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,400
Anybody just not wanting to do 
it. 

592
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:04,700
Oh yeah, shame or something. 
No, no, not really because it is

593
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,200
a team event and it's just, 
there's some people it's just 

594
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,900
not their night, you know, they 
didn't they didn't get much 

595
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,500
sleep the night before because 
they're so nervous or you know, 

596
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,200
they worked all day before they 
came out the event. 

597
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:22,600
So you know half the time We 
were realize people quit during 

598
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,800
the event. 
I was telling you about in Ann 

599
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,500
Arbor Veterans Day. 
We started with it like that 

600
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:33,000
hundred 1820. 
We ended with something like 78.

601
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,100
There, we had that many quitters
so what, what happened? 

602
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,000
Like we kind of got off-track. 
We digress. 

603
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Hey, what else happened with 
that with that event? 

604
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,400
Okay, so in in go rock there, 
there's, there's a formula 

605
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,300
almost There's a welcome party 
which is what the college we 

606
00:38:51,308 --> 00:38:56,100
were putting us through, they 
did the safety brief, they did a

607
00:38:56,107 --> 00:39:00,000
gear check and half of the 
reason for the gear check is so 

608
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,100
they can find something that you
forgot to bring or you didn't 

609
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,100
think you needed to bring even 
though it was on the packing 

610
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,500
list. 
So they got another excuse to 

611
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:12,300
smoke anymore. 
So they did the year check and 

612
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,600
then they split us into three 
groups, each Cadre had their own

613
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,800
group, and then they put us 
through their own kind of 

614
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:24,000
Physical exercise thing. 
And so, we would rotate and this

615
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400
group of do this, and then, with
this college, or another group, 

616
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,900
would do this. 
And so on, so forth. 

617
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:34,900
And then, after the welcome 
party was over, they introduced 

618
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,300
this one guy. 
I don't even know who he was, 

619
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:44,300
but apparently he had cut down 
some some logs locally and 

620
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,800
stripped all the bark off of 
them and brought him out to the 

621
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,200
event for us to carry. 
Re. 

622
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,300
And these are huge logs, huge. 
I have no idea what the weight 

623
00:39:56,300 --> 00:40:01,300
of them was, but I want to say 
four to five hundred pounds and 

624
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,200
qadri Michael goes, these are 
your boats. 

625
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,600
You're now going to be 
separating a boat cruise and 

626
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,600
we've got to move these boats X 
distance in this amount of time 

627
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,200
and it just so happened. 
I was lucky I guess is the term.

628
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:24,500
We were chosen to move the logs 
first, so one group was moving, 

629
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:26,300
the logs. 
Another group was with, going 

630
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:31,100
with Cadre B squared and another
group was going with Kashmir uni

631
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,100
and they were all doing their 
separate thing and we had to 

632
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:39,200
carry him and I think it was 
three or four logs. 

633
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,100
So many miles away, you know, a 
certain point. 

634
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:48,200
You don't know what the distance
is anymore and you just you just

635
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,200
know that it's rough. 
You're under That log, that log 

636
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,700
is unforgiving or gravity is 
unforgiving, you know, your it's

637
00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:01,200
always pulling on you 9.8 meters
per second squared, so it 

638
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,900
doesn't even care that we 
prepared a lot. 

639
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,500
That's where a guy got a little 
iffy to, because I think when I 

640
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:13,300
first started that, that 
Evolution, we had probably like 

641
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:19,300
seven or eight people on that 
log and then as as we continue 

642
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,800
down the road, You know, people 
started quitting on us. 

643
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,700
So that log was even harder me 
and then we're dropping the logs

644
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,400
and toddler is yelling at us. 
And then finally, we get to a 

645
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,000
point where he's like, all 
right, see his parking lot, get 

646
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,700
your logs over there, get them 
down and then get over in that 

647
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,200
grass and getting the front line
in rest position, front lean 

648
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,100
rest is, you know, the push-up 
position and I think from there,

649
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,000
he proceeded to smoke us for 
dropping his boats. 

650
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:58,300
Yeah, So we're crawling through 
Frozen grass in November, you 

651
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:03,000
know, it's like cut and you, and
you, and I mean, this is your 

652
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,600
everyday grass like your front 
lawn, but in November in 

653
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,900
Michigan with the frost, it's 
it's unforgiving. 

654
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:14,900
So we're crawling through that 
trying to make up for dropping 

655
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:19,000
his boats and then he takes us 
back to the start point, so he 

656
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:25,800
can trade us off with Another 
College Ray, so the nice little 

657
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,400
not. 
So nice thing about that event. 

658
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Was it done with with one? 
Kajri you stood there and you 

659
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,100
waited for the other Cadre to 
come back with their groups. 

660
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,900
So we got back to the the field 
and then well ruin. 

661
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,100
He's not back yet, so we gotta 
wait for them. 

662
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:47,600
So we you just see a group of a 
standing, a big penguin, huddle 

663
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,300
close together. 
Trying to stay warm Warm because

664
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,100
the winds blowing and it's like 
freezing, sweat your pores. 

665
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,300
So you know it's you know, heat 
you up. 

666
00:42:58,300 --> 00:42:59,800
Cool, you down, eat you up 
cooling down. 

667
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,300
It's like a gas station, burrito
by the end of it. 

668
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,500
I was as cold on the outside, is
warm on the inside. 

669
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,500
But what was the the next 
rotation? 

670
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,300
Then we, then my team went to 
Cadre Rooney, who he assigned a 

671
00:43:15,308 --> 00:43:23,700
team leader and wanted us to 
navigate to a park nearby And my

672
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,600
one friend who I think ended up 
being the Navigator, let us to 

673
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,700
the wrong Park. 
So another smoke Fest and ensued

674
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,900
and I think Rooney kind of went 
over doing fireman's carries 

675
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:43,500
with us and so sometimes they'll
teach a skill fireman's carry 

676
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:45,600
was the skill. 
That Rooney decided to go with 

677
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,700
on that day. 
So we're there we found a hill 

678
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:52,400
in a park that wasn't supposed 
to be our park and we're 

679
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:56,800
fireman's carrying each other up
and down the hill so that we can

680
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,200
learn that skill. 
He sometimes what the Cadre will

681
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,500
do with that time twos, they'll 
kind of take your time a little 

682
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:09,100
bit of time to tell us about, 
you know, stories in their 

683
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,400
service. 
So Rooney got to tell us about 

684
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,800
going through Ranger school and 
All the crazy stuff that ensues.

685
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,400
And then he took his back to 
back to the field. 

686
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,800
The trade us off with the to be 
squared, but we ended up. 

687
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Oh, he also taught us 
tourniquets with you with 

688
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,900
whatever we could find. 
So, on the way back to the 

689
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:43,100
field, every once in a while, 
Cadre will, start mixing things 

690
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,700
up if they see that you're doing
well, well, all right. 

691
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:47,700
Time to increase the stress. 
And see how they do. 

692
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,200
So we're going across a bridge 
and Ann Arbor. 

693
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,800
He goes up this part of the 
team, just took an IED blast. 

694
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,800
You guys got to put tourniquets 
on and start, buddy. 

695
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Carrying them back to the start 
point. 

696
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:02,300
It was pretty cool. 
I like the unexpectedness of it 

697
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:04,500
all. 
Yeah, so we got a, we got to 

698
00:45:04,508 --> 00:45:06,800
pull their rocks off. 
We got to put, you know, 

699
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,300
makeshift tourniquets on them. 
We got start carrying them and I

700
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,000
mean, you know, we were pretty 
smoked. 

701
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,600
I mean, I could feel my legs 
cramping up when we were walking

702
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,200
to the On Park. 
Mmm. 

703
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,800
So the idea of taking and 
carrying someone else's rock or 

704
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,900
carrying someone else was 
miserable. 

705
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:35,400
But we were so late that at one 
point Rooney made us I think it 

706
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,800
was bear-crawl, really slow 
through an alley that was near 

707
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,100
the start point and there's a 
think there's a video of it up 

708
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:50,800
on Facebook and there go Ruff 
Tuff page but we were just we 

709
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,600
were going slow and you know you
you mess up you gotta pay the 

710
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,900
man and that was that was what 
we had to do to make up for 

711
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,500
being slow and not pushing 
through. 

712
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,100
Give me like anyway, just like 
totally break down, like never 

713
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,600
having done anything demanding 
like this. 

714
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,100
They just totally break down in 
front of you. 

715
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,700
Um I remember there's has been 
events where I seen people quit 

716
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:23,600
10 minutes in really? 
Yeah, I've seen that there's I 

717
00:46:23,607 --> 00:46:28,000
mean other times, I'll see it 
where they might try to do a 

718
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,500
heavy and a telephone, a light 
back to back to back. 

719
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:33,900
So you know, your heavy people 
come limping in when you're 

720
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:35,800
fresh. 
Getting ready for a tough. 

721
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:38,800
And then at the last second 
they're like, yeah, I'm just 

722
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,800
going to withdrawal. 
I don't, I can't do this. 

723
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:46,700
So I'm, but I've never seen 
anybody just completely lose it 

724
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:51,800
so to speak. 
But I mean, you're under stress.

725
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,500
So I see people lose their 
temper. 

726
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:58,000
All the time. 
I saw two girls in Cleveland one

727
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,500
time. 
Getting an argument, which it 

728
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:07,500
turned out later was a my chat 
Our president for team rwb, 

729
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:11,100
which is a volunteer 
organization that I'm actually 

730
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:13,400
rocking coordinator with your in
Toledo. 

731
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Yeah, she was. 
She was arguing with another 

732
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,600
girl, who about a sandbag that 
they were carrying or something 

733
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:27,200
like that during a light. 
I, the last event I did in 

734
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,500
Columbus during the tough, we 
had a guy who I think he was 

735
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,200
probably in his early to late. 
50s. 

736
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,000
And like, we were going through 
the welcome party and he like 

737
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,200
walked up the Cadre. 
He's kind of like I don't think 

738
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,300
I can do this and then the 
Kadri, can I give him a little 

739
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,600
pep talk and then he got back in
and act in into the, the mix and

740
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,900
ended up finishing event with 
us. 

741
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:55,300
So we're, you know, we're not 
trying to get quitters but, you 

742
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,000
know, some people, it's just not
their night. 

743
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,100
Have you ever done like any of 
the other? 

744
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:02,500
Like, let's not even a race by 
viewed. 

745
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:04,400
Unlike any of the Spartan races 
are tough? 

746
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:08,500
Or anything that I did a Warrior
Dash up in Flint when I was 

747
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,800
going through PTA school. 
And, you know, it's, they'll 

748
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,700
people tell me that I need to do
like a Spartan and I probably 

749
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,800
will some point, but it's just 
not something I'm really 

750
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,200
interested in because after that
were Dash, I trained up for it 

751
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,800
and I did it. 
And then I, oh, I got a little 

752
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:32,700
metal, and I was washing mud out
of places for three days. 

753
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,100
Hmm. 
And I really didn't Don't Come 

754
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:38,500
Away With It with any usable 
skill. 

755
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,400
Yeah. 
Whereas with the goruck event, 

756
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:45,300
you know, you go out there you 
find out something about your, 

757
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,200
you know, how much you can 
endure, how much of a beating 

758
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:54,000
you can take or if you take on 
that team leader role, you learn

759
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,800
something about leadership. 
You you know I've had caligiuri 

760
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:04,000
teaches how to do tourniquets. 
I've learned Basic lamb nav. 

761
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,100
I've learned water navigation, 
different survival techniques. 

762
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,900
You know, I Come Away with some 
kind of usable skill that I can 

763
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:17,900
either apply in an emergency 
situation or I can apply it to 

764
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:21,800
my everyday life as in a 
leadership role or from a 

765
00:49:21,808 --> 00:49:24,200
managerial role. 
That's pretty cool man. 

766
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,300
I got really like I don't like I
like all my friends are in the 

767
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,500
military so they are always 
doing these cool training things

768
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:31,300
and whatnot. 
It's like that. 

769
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,300
That's pretty good. 
Going to be able to like offer 

770
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:37,000
that to the public and like a 
way that's, you know, hitting on

771
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,100
all cylinders with regard to you
know, leadership and just 

772
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:41,300
physical fitness and just 
teamwork. 

773
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:46,200
Absolutely. 
I mean it's it's kind of funny 

774
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:52,100
because I do Pathfinder training
which is a program that was 

775
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:56,500
developed by a group of people 
called team spearhead and we 

776
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,500
were talking in one of our 
Facebook groups. 

777
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,200
One day and was like me and you 
guys ever get depressed after 

778
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,900
you get done. 
With a with an event and like 

779
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,100
everyone's like yeah we always 
do mean you had this really good

780
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,900
team and you really came 
together and you were able to 

781
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:15,600
accomplish awesome stuff and 
then one of the guys who is you 

782
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,500
know he's he was in the military
he's like wow you guys get 

783
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,200
depressed after you get done 
doing events you know like 

784
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,700
somebody who gets depressed 
after they leave the military. 

785
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Hmm. 
So I mean I don't want to do To 

786
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,100
belittle anybody service. 
I'm very, I'm very grateful 

787
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:41,100
American but there is a parallel
in there somewhere where after 

788
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:43,700
you leave the military, you're 
used to working with motivated 

789
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:49,600
individuals, as a team. 
You have a purpose you know Ed 

790
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,800
when we get done with a go rock 
event, we were a team. 

791
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,700
We had sort of a purpose and we 
were working together and then 

792
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:04,300
you lose that. 
So it really gives you I taste 

793
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,000
maybe not even a taste but just 
and a little bit of an idea of 

794
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,900
what our service members go 
through when they start their 

795
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,000
service and when they and their 
service because there's a lot of

796
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,100
trepidation when you start basic
training from what I understand.

797
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,500
And then there's that kind of 
depression that you get when you

798
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,900
leave the military and you don't
really know what to do with the 

799
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,100
rest of your life. 
It's pretty cool, man. 

800
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:34,200
I'm up to have to go on the go. 
It's She's got to go wreck.com 

801
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,800
and then I can sign up for an 
event. 

802
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,600
Yeah. 
They got a they've got a map at 

803
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,700
that you can look in your area 
what events are going on. 

804
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,000
You know it's the they got all 
the information, all the packing

805
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,300
lists they sell gear, you know 
they have got goruck backpacks 

806
00:51:55,300 --> 00:52:02,500
that are warrantied for for life
as long as you own that rock as 

807
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,100
Long as you don't shoot it, stab
it set it on fire. 

808
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:11,200
They'll you can send it in to 
them and they'll repair it or or

809
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:17,500
if need be replace it and keep 
it going for as long as as you. 

810
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:21,200
You can move it. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

811
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,400
What do you do for my cat 
training perspective? 

812
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,300
Like if someone wanted to 
prepare for, you know, goruck 

813
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:32,400
event, what would be the ideal 
style of training, really the 

814
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:38,200
Thing is I find that you gotta 
train like you're going to be 

815
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,400
going to the actual event. 
So another group I'm involved 

816
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,900
with is f 3 Toledo. 
F 3 is kind of a fitness Faith 

817
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,100
Fellowship organization. 
They just try to get guys 

818
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:59,200
together outdoors and do free 
workouts and it's led by one of 

819
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,500
the piers of the group and we do
a lot of rocking with an m. 

820
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,200
F3. 
So my F3 guys right now are just

821
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,700
getting ready to do a goruck 
event here until you do. 

822
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,800
That's a custom event. 
And most of them are just used 

823
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,600
to putting like the 35 30 pound 
plate in their backpack and just

824
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,900
going walking around and Bs and 
you know, with us and and 

825
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:24,900
telling jokes and the usual 
thing one day, I told him. 

826
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,100
All right. 
Listen load up your rocks. 

827
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:31,000
Like you're going to go to the 
event because yeah, usually do 

828
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,500
your 30 pound plate. 
Maybe some water. 

829
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:34,900
You're not used to carrying all 
that other gear. 

830
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:39,700
So the big thing is getting the 
time under the rock, with the 

831
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:45,200
actual gear and knowing how your
body is going to respond to it. 

832
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,000
Because if you've never put on a
fully loaded out rock and then 

833
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
you go out there, you're going 
to have a bad time. 

834
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,700
Yeah, I can imagine. 
I mean that's that's a lot more 

835
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:00,300
than just your body weight 
there, right? 

836
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,300
So you know, the big thing is 
you doing going out there 

837
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,700
getting the miles in but also 
you know, doing PT with your 

838
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:11,900
rock on, do some squats, do some
back squats, do some front 

839
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:16,200
squats, do some overhead squats,
do overhead rack holds. 

840
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,300
I remember during that Veterans 
Day event that I hate so much 

841
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,600
that but loved the same time. 
There was one Guy who couldn't 

842
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,400
hold his Ruck over his head for 
a minute. 

843
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:34,300
You know, so if you can't hold 
that the rest of the events not 

844
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:36,900
going to be too fun for you. 
Yeah, for sure. 

845
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,400
What about, what about 
nutrition? 

846
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,100
I what do you do? 
Like what are you bring with 

847
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:43,000
you? 
What other people bring with 

848
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,100
them? 
Okay, well, I mean other people,

849
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,000
I only know a couple of Aikido G
Artis and I've never done a 

850
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:56,600
event with them yet. 
So me personally I pack usually 

851
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:05,000
like, I'll take exogenous 
ketones because You know, that's

852
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,100
going to have high potassium, 
high sodium. 

853
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,000
So if I get to a point where I'm
really starting to cramp up or 

854
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,700
something, I'll mix it up in my 
knowledge gene or I'll get the, 

855
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:18,500
the key Genex has that like, 
mouths break exoticness ketones.

856
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:22,500
So if I start feeling like mud 
headed, you know, my brain 

857
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,600
starts getting foggy and a 
couple of squirts of that and 

858
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:31,400
that might be enough to kick me 
out of your grave Manning eating

859
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,500
evolved has these awesome. 
Coconut butter cups. 

860
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,600
If you ever had those, it's 
going on getting involved, is 

861
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,700
the brand evolved eating I think
is the name of them. 

862
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,500
I'll check them out. 
I got heard of him. 

863
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,800
Yeah, they got some sweet. 
Coconut butter cups. 

864
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,700
Always. 
Yes eating involved. 

865
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,700
It's dark chocolate. 
Coconut butter cups? 

866
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,500
Make? 
They make them in a couple of 

867
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,500
different flavors and they're 
pretty good. 

868
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:03,200
They got a fair amount of carbs 
in them, but imagine when, you 

869
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,000
know, when you get that At 
higher heart rate and your 

870
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,900
burning carbs sometimes, you got
to replace it a little bit. 

871
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:12,100
So I don't feel too bad. 
If I'm at our 10 of a tough and 

872
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,900
ie2 dark chocolate, coconut 
butter cups because I know I'm 

873
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,400
not going to kick myself out of 
ketosis at that point. 

874
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:24,900
Yeah and then you know, usually 
I enter these events fasted just

875
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:29,000
because I just, I move better, I
perform better when I'm fasted 

876
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,600
and I just I mostly just down 
water through the out, the whole

877
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,100
event. 
How long do you? 

878
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:38,900
Fast prior to the event. 
Starting probably from dinner 

879
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:47,400
the night before or sometimes 
like a every now and then I'll 

880
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,500
have like a breakfast. 
I oh I'm one of those ones that 

881
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:54,800
only eats one meal a day. 
Yeah it seems to work real well 

882
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,300
for me so like I usually just 
eat dinner. 

883
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:05,100
So if I'm going to be doing an 
event, I'll just fast from 

884
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,100
dinner. 
The day before, all the way 

885
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:12,400
through the event, if I need to 
So I'm even on the number like, 

886
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,300
the 24, plus our events. 
Oh, well, I haven't done a heavy

887
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:19,600
yet, that's that's something. 
I'm going to tackle this this 

888
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,800
summer. 
I'm going to do my first heavy 

889
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,600
in America. 
It's actually going to be an 

890
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,500
HTML. 
I have you tell flight, so I'm 

891
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:30,500
going to try to earn earn, my 
htl patch and try to do all 

892
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:35,700
three back to back to back. 
I'd be intense mean, it's 46 

893
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:40,200
hours roughly of suffering. 
So, when when is that stock is, 

894
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,100
I don't know. 
Already. 

895
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,700
Oh yeah, I've got all my events 
planned out for the year. 

896
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,500
So this is the the Detroit 911 
htl. 

897
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,800
So goruck also does themed 
event. 

898
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,400
So like they do the special 
memorial events for like the 

899
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,700
9/11 tragedy. 
They do one commemorating, the 

900
00:58:01,707 --> 00:58:06,400
Mogadishu mile, which was the a 
battle and Somalia during Gothic

901
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,700
serpent. 
That's the one that's based on 

902
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,900
the Movie Black Hawk Down is 
based on that event. 

903
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,800
Got you. 
They do special ones for 

904
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,800
Veterans Day for a couple of new
ones. 

905
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,900
This year is Operation Red Wings
which I believe that was the, 

906
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,800
the operation that Marcus 
Luttrell is book is Lone 

907
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,000
survivors based on well, not 
based on. 

908
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,600
It's a it's a telling of mmm. 
So, you know, the it's going to 

909
00:58:37,607 --> 00:58:41,900
be a serious event. 
Probably going to be a lot of 

910
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:45,600
stairs because most of the time 
when I see something about one 

911
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,700
of the 9/11 events the Cadre, 
talk about all the stairs, the 

912
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:53,000
First Responders had to climb to
help get people out of the the 

913
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,000
towers. 
So this is cool man. 

914
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,700
I got, I'm getting excited now 
because I've been looking for 

915
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:04,700
something, you know, apart from 
just, just the normal training 

916
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:06,100
I'm doing just something to mix 
it up. 

917
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,300
It's kind of like more 
team-oriented. 

918
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:11,900
So this this might be fitting 
the It perfectly, I think every 

919
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:16,600
perfect for a minute, I tried to
try to rope Brian Williamson, 

920
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,800
and but he wasn't bite, he 
wasn't like he wasn't buying. 

921
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,200
He's, I think he's too busy with
Kido cons, so it was just like 

922
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,000
whatever man. 
Oars they get. 

923
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,500
I mean, I guess it's growing 
pretty rapidly. 

924
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,800
I mean they got them all over 
the place now, right? 

925
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,100
Oh, it's it grows exponentially 
every year because, you know, it

926
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:41,300
just gets around word of mouth 
and it's that shared 

927
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,000
experiences. 
You know, you've the people that

928
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,400
I've done goruck events with are
the same people. 

929
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,900
I see keep showing up and up 
over and over and over again and

930
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:56,400
I know they're good people and I
can really depend on them if I 

931
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,700
was ever in a bind, I had one 
friend is named Rob wheeler. 

932
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:06,900
I was I did, I've done 13 events
with him. 

933
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:09,800
Probably maybe 12. 
I'm not on a person. 

934
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,400
But I I put it out there as 
like, hey, I'm going to go. 

935
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,900
Do the Patriot Rock up in 
Detroit? 

936
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:20,800
Who wants to come? 
And nobody would go with me. 

937
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:26,300
But Rob's just like I'll do it 
and him and I put on our team 

938
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:31,400
rwb shirts and we pretty much 
jogged the entire six miles of 

939
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,000
the Patriot Rock and we were the
first civilians to get past the 

940
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,900
cross, the finish line. 
Very cool man. 

941
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:43,800
Yeah, so you just me these great
people, you have a great time, 

942
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,200
you'll hear some great things 
and I just can't say enough 

943
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,000
nice. 
Things about the organization, 

944
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,500
you know, the, the events that I
did up in Traverse City were 

945
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:57,100
some amazing events. 
And I got to see some amazing 

946
01:00:57,100 --> 01:01:01,700
landscape where I learn water 
survival and how to deal with 

947
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,600
hypothermia firsthand because we
had some people that were 

948
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,600
starting to show signs of it. 
So, we had, we had to address 

949
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,400
that. 
Right away. 

950
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,700
And, and the goruck 
college-ready were very 

951
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,700
professional. 
And, you know, when they saw 

952
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:18,800
that our safety was in Jeopardy,
they said, okay, we need to, we 

953
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,900
need to pause and come back in 
the morning when we can keep an 

954
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:25,700
eye on all you guys and ensure 
your safety. 

955
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:33,600
So, I mean, you just can't find 
a higher caliber event to build 

956
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,900
leadership in to build a team. 
I love it. 

957
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:40,800
Love it. 
Yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna check 

958
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,700
this out man. 
Soon as this podcast I won't be 

959
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:46,000
going to go broke.com and seeing
if I get any near me. 

960
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,500
I mean it's there's there's it's
so diverse. 

961
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:54,200
I mean if doing an event you 
know one of the challenges, the 

962
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,100
endurance challenges isn't your 
thing. 

963
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,700
They've got the survival events,
I did one up in Detroit, it's 

964
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,100
called constellation and it 
teaches you different things 

965
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:09,500
about urban survival. 
You know how to How to escape 

966
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:15,800
and evade people pursuing you or
how to build a gas mask out of a

967
01:02:15,808 --> 01:02:18,900
2-liter duct tape and a dust 
mask. 

968
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,100
So we're not it's not all, it's 
all through the go 

969
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:25,200
recommendation but it's all 
based off a different kind of 

970
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,500
genres based off of what you 
would prefer to do. 

971
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:32,300
Yeah I mean you you can you can 
do something like that if those 

972
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,500
things aren't interesting you 
maybe you're a Firearms guy. 

973
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:41,600
I mean all these guys know how 
to Manipulate a firearm better 

974
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,100
than, you know, their own hands.
So they do firearms training 

975
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:53,000
from the very basic to very 
Advanced that I even listen to 

976
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,200
another podcast. 
Were one of the Cadre was 

977
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,700
talking about how they have a 
separate list of events that 

978
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:01,600
they use just for training law 
enforcement. 

979
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,700
Very cool, very cool. 
What time, what? 

980
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:08,100
So what's your next event? 
What do you have coming up next?

981
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:12,500
My next one is, it's the custom 
event here until you do. 

982
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:15,800
It's the grow Rock. 
It's a special leadership 

983
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,800
oriented event for just F three 
guys in the area. 

984
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:24,500
So that's going to be, it's a 
tough. 

985
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:27,800
It's going to start at 6:00 at 
night and it's probably going to

986
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,300
go. 
I'm imagining longer than 6:00 

987
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:33,600
in the morning. 
That's exciting, man. 

988
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:35,800
This is cool man. 
You get me. 

989
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,100
Get me. 
Get me ready to go. 

990
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,800
I want to just jump on now and 
dive into it. 

991
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:42,400
Oh man. 
I love to have you on my team. 

992
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,500
So I have a team where you just 
kind of like, pick your own 

993
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:47,100
team, or, I mean, has that 
happened? 

994
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:51,000
I know is whoever shows up to 
the event is the team. 

995
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,300
Very cool, very cool. 
I'll see if I can make my way up

996
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:56,900
to your neck of the woods and 
make it happen, man. 

997
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,200
Me and you make it up here or I 
make it make it down there. 

998
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,900
Their way, I mean, I got no 
qualms about traveling. 

999
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:09,100
It's just right now, my budget 
is Max for the year doing 19 

1000
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:10,900
events. 
So, yeah, they would, they would

1001
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:13,400
be that'd be a next year thing. 
Well, we'll get at will get 

1002
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,000
Aikido will get a keto for steam
going. 

1003
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,400
Well, what I need is, I need a, 
I need a pile of those keto 

1004
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,200
bricks man. 
They're sold out 45 minutes 

1005
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,000
after he announced them. 
And I may, I'll send you one for

1006
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,400
that, that back-to-back-to-back 
triple heavy with light and what

1007
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,700
we'll just go with him and see 
how it see, how it puts up to 

1008
01:04:31,707 --> 01:04:32,500
the challenge. 
JH. 

1009
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:34,700
I have no doubt. 
That's going to keep me. 

1010
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:37,400
She told, especially if you used
to fasten the whole time. 

1011
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:41,100
Oh yeah. 
I I looked at it and it just saw

1012
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,400
that that's that's perfect. 
If the thousand calories because

1013
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,800
there's this magical part during
a goruck. 

1014
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,900
Were the codger. 
Give you a little break. 

1015
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,400
You sit down there. 
I remember on my first tough. 

1016
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,700
We were in Detroit were over by 
the renaissance building which 

1017
01:04:55,700 --> 01:05:00,300
is like the the big building 
right there by the river that 

1018
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:04,200
everyone kind of knows. 
Um, is trade market at Roy. 

1019
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,500
And you got this, the, the 
Renaissance Center shining, and 

1020
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:12,400
in the background, we just got 
done low, crawl, and down a hill

1021
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,200
covered in dirt and Country 
like, all right, just take a 

1022
01:05:15,207 --> 01:05:17,700
break and you're all sitting 
around. 

1023
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:20,100
You're sharing your food and 
it's just quiet and looking up 

1024
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:24,100
at the stars, what stars? 
You can see in the city and 

1025
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,500
everyone you just hear everyone 
chewing and just breathing and 

1026
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:32,600
it's just a beautiful moment 
where, you know, You're coming 

1027
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,600
together as a team because 
people are sharing food and you 

1028
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:41,000
know, had joking around and 
changing their socks and you 

1029
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,700
just know at that point your 
your cohesive team. 

1030
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:47,200
That's awesome. 
Man, that I love, I love the 

1031
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,100
idea of having something. 
So, you know, team morning, just

1032
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,400
like the, come on the 
camaraderie, you get with other 

1033
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,500
people that are doing just hard 
shit together. 

1034
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:56,200
Like, that alone is just 
freaking cool. 

1035
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,600
Well and then it's funny because
then it starts because it became

1036
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,200
a joke on the garage. 
Off page where if you're going 

1037
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,200
through an airport and you see 
someone with a goruck bag on, 

1038
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,800
you look for the patch and then 
you try to take a picture of 

1039
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,900
them and they post on the page 
and they joke about it's a GRT 

1040
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:19,500
in the wild. 
Yeah I like it I like it. 

1041
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:20,900
I'm not to give me one of these 
bags man. 

1042
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,000
So I can try to assimilate all 
its. 

1043
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,100
I mean it's the best money I 
ever spent on a bag. 

1044
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:30,500
And the problem is, once you buy
one, then you start buying more.

1045
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:37,300
I've got almost one of every 
iteration that they have it goes

1046
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,800
the bullet Rock, which is a 
smaller kind of everyday carry 

1047
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,100
Rock. 
There's an echo, which I don't 

1048
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,900
have. 
Then you go to The Rocker, which

1049
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:50,900
is probably your best one for 
shoes and to for your first 

1050
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:54,300
event because it's it's very 
minimalist. 

1051
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,600
You can secure your weight and 
it very well. 

1052
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,000
It's a good first event pack and
then you go to the gr one, which

1053
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,000
was They're kind of the first 
one they made and it's a little 

1054
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,000
bit bigger. 
But, you know, when you start 

1055
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,300
doing those longer events like a
tough and heavy, you need more 

1056
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,400
more room for. 
Look, he's and Chewy's and extra

1057
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,800
socks. 
And then you start going to the 

1058
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,300
G R2 which is strictly like a 
travel bag. 

1059
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:23,000
You never use that for an event 
unless you're crazy. 

1060
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,500
And then then the big boy, the 
gr3 is their latest one that 

1061
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:30,700
they release back in November 
and that thing is huge. 

1062
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:32,600
You could you can live out of 
that thing. 

1063
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:36,600
You have to have the actual 
branded Go written bag to do 

1064
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,900
these. 
It like ever have people just 

1065
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:41,000
show up with like a JanSport 
backpack and try and do this 

1066
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,500
thing. 
Absolutely. 

1067
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:45,600
I did my first event with 511 
backpack. 

1068
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:47,800
And they don't make them not 
care for that at all. 

1069
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,500
No, no, no. 
They say, you know, they say on 

1070
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:55,500
the websites like you can you 
can show up with any kind of 

1071
01:07:55,508 --> 01:08:00,300
backpack but hey ours are the 
best so you know try ours and 

1072
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,100
but no you can come. 
Yeah JanSport. 

1073
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:07,600
I've I think somebody said 
something one time about how 

1074
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,800
somebody did one with one of 
those string backpacks easy. 

1075
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,400
Like like, like there was a joke
because like, yeah, I think it 

1076
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,000
was a dare someone lost a bet. 
Had to do that. 

1077
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:20,899
That's this is pretty good 
advertising there for like back.

1078
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:23,600
Fill backpacks, man, like your 
peoples other bags on, hold up, 

1079
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,700
you know, everybody's gonna 
start getting those exactly, and

1080
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:32,300
I mean, I, I've had two times 
now, I've had to send my, my 

1081
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:35,200
rocks back to go, rocks, cars, 
get repaired. 

1082
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:42,500
I had a bullet Rook where the, 
the plate I carry crushed the 

1083
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:44,399
button. 
I used to hold my hydration 

1084
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,500
bladder so I sent it back and 
And they had it with back to me,

1085
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,100
within like, five days. 
Super impressed. 

1086
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,800
That didn't cost me anything. 
It's my second rock. 

1087
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,300
It was the one that I'd used 
probably for the majority of my 

1088
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:01,800
events. 
It's been dunked in, in chlorine

1089
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,800
saturated fountains, it's been 
dragged through the mud. 

1090
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,899
It's it's survived everything. 
And finally, the zipper on the 

1091
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:12,600
pocket broke. 
And that's, that's like the 

1092
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,500
worst thing because the zippers 
take, like, three hours for them

1093
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:19,100
to sustain. 
When to place so they assess the

1094
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:22,300
Rock and they said you know the 
we can repair the zipper but 

1095
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,000
then there's a bunch of other 
damage here. 

1096
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,000
So hey here's what we're going 
to do you. 

1097
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:32,500
We can either repair it and it 
might hold up but it's not to 

1098
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:36,700
our standard or you know, will 
prorate it and will give you so 

1099
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:39,700
much off a new rock and it just 
so happened the same day. 

1100
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:41,899
They released a new color. 
So I'm like, all right I'll take

1101
01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:43,899
the new rock. 
Very cool. 

1102
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:45,899
That's awesome. 
Man to get me a run. 

1103
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,200
Exact to and just just get all 
kinds of ready to go rucking. 

1104
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:52,100
Right. 
Right. 

1105
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:55,600
And I mean it's easy, anybody 
can do it and the best part is 

1106
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:56,900
you just get a couple of 
friends. 

1107
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:59,900
You don't have to, you don't 
have to be running, you don't 

1108
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:05,600
have to be carrying heavy stuff,
you just go off a walk and the 

1109
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,000
park or in your city or in your 
neighborhood and, you know, and 

1110
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,100
just be outside. 
You know, that's that's the 

1111
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,900
biggest thing. 
Nowadays nobody is out. 

1112
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:19,600
Side. 
You are inside looking at their 

1113
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:26,000
big screen TVs or they're on 
their tablet and you know, just 

1114
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,300
walk around. 
Enjoy the world is going to do 

1115
01:10:29,308 --> 01:10:31,500
wonders for your your stress as 
well. 

1116
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,300
Oh yeah and then I mean you can 
do you can do fun stuff when you

1117
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:39,100
get enough weirdos together. 
Like you can just fill a cooler 

1118
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:44,000
and and carry that around as a 
waiter or something, to that 

1119
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,000
extent extent. 
I just saw One of the ideas they

1120
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:53,800
gave out for the rock clubs that
goruck kind of supports. 

1121
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:57,300
Was you can fill up a cooler 
with with, you know, beer. 

1122
01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:00,200
Not that as a keto person. 
I don't drink beer anymore but 

1123
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,700
that was one of the ideas. 
I'm like, man, if I still 

1124
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:08,700
drinking, I'd probably do that. 
But yeah, just just get outside.

1125
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:15,600
Be with people and just enjoy 
moving around. 

1126
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,200
Yeah, just there's a lot to be 
said for that man, I did that. 

1127
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,400
That's definitely does not need 
to go understated. 

1128
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,000
I mean, you have to be in a gym.
You have to be do anything out 

1129
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,600
of fancy training or protocol. 
Just get out there and burn some

1130
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,900
calories moving around and 
enjoying good. 

1131
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:34,000
Good company. 
Yeah, I mean, people who've done

1132
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,800
CrossFit, you know, they know 
how to do a kettlebell swing. 

1133
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,100
They know how to do a deadlift, 
well, guess what? 

1134
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:43,800
A rock is just a kettlebell that
is a little bit softer and a 

1135
01:11:43,808 --> 01:11:48,200
little more Awkward to swing. 
Oh, you do rocks Wings, you can 

1136
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,400
do overhead presses, you can. 
You can do push-ups with the 

1137
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,800
rock on, you can take the rock 
off, you can do. 

1138
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,600
Sit-ups, your imagination is 
your limit. 

1139
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:03,100
And so start thinking outside 
the box and move to Champion. 

1140
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,700
Absolutely very cool. 
Very cool. 

1141
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:07,600
What can people go to find out 
more about you, man, and your 

1142
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,400
next race. 
And next event, rather and get 

1143
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,800
involved. 
Well, I'm not a big guy in the 

1144
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,600
Twitter's, or the Ram. 
I don't know if I'm getting old 

1145
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,100
or what. 
I don't understand. 

1146
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,200
Instagram. 
Twitter just seems like Facebook

1147
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,600
without the, without, as much 
ability to write anything. 

1148
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,800
So, I stay away from Instagram 
and Twitter, I'm a little choosy

1149
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,900
when it comes to friend request 
on Facebook. 

1150
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:38,700
So, I mean, but I run the Toledo
rwb rocking Club. 

1151
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:42,600
So, if you're, you know, in the 
Toledo area and Toledo Ohio area

1152
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:47,100
or Southeast, Michigan Northwest
Ohio, And you're looking to get 

1153
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:52,600
out and do some rocking. 
You can sign on with team rwb. 

1154
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,700
We're great volunteer 
organization that just want to 

1155
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:59,100
help veterans enrich their 
lives, through social and 

1156
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:03,600
physical activities. 
I'm also involved with F3 

1157
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,200
Toledo. 
You can go to F3 Toledo.com. 

1158
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:10,800
Look up, you know, when we're 
going to have one of our 

1159
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,300
workouts and come out and get 
some miles on to the rucked 

1160
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:21,400
together. 
Other than that, I did do to 

1161
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:29,500
podcasts for all day Rock off, 
which is kind of the, the, the 

1162
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,400
voice of the rocking Community 
is very. 

1163
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,300
So if you want to hear more 
stories about some events I've 

1164
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:40,000
done, I told them about the 
Traverse City event, which was 

1165
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:43,500
called Beach beta. 
So there's an episode on that 

1166
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:48,900
and then there's an episode on 
the Lake Erie Put-in-Bay tough, 

1167
01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:53,700
which was a custom event. 
We did near Put-in-Bay, which is

1168
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:57,100
kind of like a, it's an island 
in Lake Erie. 

1169
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:03,800
The basically is nothing but 
bars bars, you know. 

1170
01:14:03,808 --> 01:14:10,100
So it's like they call it the 
Key West of the Great Lakes, but

1171
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:14,800
we were commemorating the Battle
of Lake Erie in 1812 during 

1172
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,900
during the War of 1812. 
Well, I should say. 

1173
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:23,700
So those are very unique event 
and I go into much detail about 

1174
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:26,300
that, but it was it was a fun 
event, really fun. 

1175
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:28,400
Very cool. 
Me, and what's the name of that 

1176
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,400
podcast like that all day Rock 
off? 

1177
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,200
Okay, cool. 
I'll link out those two. 

1178
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:34,600
So, it makes it easy for people 
to find. 

1179
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,600
Yeah, I'll have to, I'll send 
you a link for F3 Toledo and 

1180
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:46,900
then the the rocking page for 
rwb Very cool. 

1181
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:48,600
Very cool. 
Sweet man. 

1182
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,100
Corey it's it's been a pleasure 
to let you get my interest 

1183
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:52,800
piqued. 
For sure. 

1184
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,000
I'm going to dive into the 
goruck events now and see if I 

1185
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:00,100
can find that one of my near 
near near me and just jump into 

1186
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:01,700
it. 
Full Tilt heck. 

1187
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,200
Yeah. 
Well, do one together and then 

1188
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,600
we can have a whole podcast 
about what we went through. 

1189
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:10,200
Hey man, I'm about that that I 
like I like forcing hardship 

1190
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,400
upon myself. 
A gives me greater perspective. 

1191
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:16,200
Well yeah and then you got to 
you got to Loop a couple of Then

1192
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,800
do it just so that they can they
can constantly Razz. 

1193
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,100
You about that. 
I remember that time. 

1194
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,600
Robert sign me up for that crazy
thing that we did. 

1195
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:25,100
Yeah, exactly. 
Exactly. 

1196
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:27,200
Just have the make stories man, 
making stories. 

1197
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,600
That's that's the thing is, you 
know, my job nowadays is I'm a 

1198
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:33,600
whole health physical therapist 
assistant. 

1199
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,500
So I drive around people's 
houses and I do Rehab on them. 

1200
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:41,000
And, you know, sometimes it's 
just hard to carry a 

1201
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,000
conversation for some with 
somebody who's been, you know, 

1202
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,100
stuck in their house and they're
inside their Head kind of gray 

1203
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:51,000
Manning and so, you know, when I
tell them about my Adventures 

1204
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,800
That kind of perk up a little 
bit and, you know, yeah, they're

1205
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,400
they're in awe me and I 
appreciate that. 

1206
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:03,700
They, that they can kind of look
to me for inspiration but more 

1207
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:06,200
or less. 
It's just if they get something 

1208
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:13,500
new to look forward to a story 
that I can tell, you know, get 

1209
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,400
people. 
What crazy thing did you do this

1210
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,500
week, Corey? 
Oh well, yeah, me and the F3 

1211
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:21,300
guys. 
We were carrying sand 80 and 60 

1212
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,300
pound sand bags. 
Around Ottawa Park. 

1213
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:25,500
Oh wow. 
That sounds horrible. 

1214
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:28,300
I'd never do that. 
Well we'll see after we get you 

1215
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:30,200
walking. 
Yeah exactly man. 

1216
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,700
It's it's something it's just 
something that be a sight 

1217
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:37,300
excited about like there's a lot
they go said for that I mean if 

1218
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:38,900
you can have something to be 
excited about have something to 

1219
01:16:38,907 --> 01:16:42,400
wake up to and look forward to, 
I mean, you you just Limitless, 

1220
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:46,800
haven't have a story to tell, 
you know, you, it's Everybody's 

1221
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,600
got a story to tell and it 
shouldn't shouldn't be just 

1222
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:54,300
getting in your car driving to 
work working all day coming home

1223
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:59,800
and sit in front of your TV, you
know, get out there and have, 

1224
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,400
you know, do something, as my 
brother would say, get out 

1225
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:04,300
there. 
Do something. 

1226
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:10,000
Have a story to tell and add to 
The Narrative of your life? 

1227
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:12,400
Yeah, absolutely. 
Absolutely, man. 

1228
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:15,700
I got, I don't like when you 
were a little kid. 

1229
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:17,600
You like, you like your 
birthday, or something? 

1230
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,200
You'd wake up and just be like, 
giddy all day long. 

1231
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,600
Like you have like just this 
excitement just showers over you

1232
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,500
and you just can't contain 
yourself and like you lose that.

1233
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,200
You know, you get older, you 
have responsibilities and like 

1234
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,400
you just get in this humdrum 
Life Style and it's crazy. 

1235
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,300
Like I'll take a pulse of myself
every morning I wake up and ask 

1236
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:40,600
myself, you know, like all wake 
up tired sometimes then I'll 

1237
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,200
think about what I was got. 
Well, I've got going on that day

1238
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,500
and if there's something I could
find excitement in that I'm 

1239
01:17:45,508 --> 01:17:49,500
ready to Humble, you know. 
Well, you know it's for me it's 

1240
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:51,200
you know, I have one of those 
bad days at work. 

1241
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:56,000
Everybody's canceling on me or 
I'm running late because I had 

1242
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,800
to send somebody to the hospital
or I'm stuck in traffic, 

1243
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,600
whatever it is and I'm just 
having a rough day, but then I 

1244
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,000
remember, you know, you've had 
you've been through worse, you 

1245
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,500
you'll make it through, you'll 
be fine. 

1246
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:12,300
Absolutely absolutely ma'am. 
Well cool. 

1247
01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:14,500
Decoy it's a will definitely be 
in touch. 

1248
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,600
Keep in touch, man because I'm 
gonna Like said I'm going to 

1249
01:18:16,608 --> 01:18:19,000
look and see where these are and
when they are and we'll see if 

1250
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,600
we can link up and do one 
together, heck, yeah, can't wait

1251
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,900
to Chairman. 
I'll bring I'll bring bricks for

1252
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:28,000
all everybody. 
Sweet. 

1253
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,700
All right brother will 
appreciate your time, man. 

1254
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:32,200
It's been a pleasure all. 
Thank you Robert. 

1255
01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:32,800
See you buddy?