What's going on, ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, keto
Savage.com, and I've got special guest.
Corey Madras, go online today and we're going to dive into the
goruck race competitions. Which I honestly don't know much
about, but he's gonna enlighten me
without further Ado. How are you boy?
I'm doing awesome. Robert, how are you man?
Man, I'm great, I'm great, never better.
So yeah, give the audience. Go back man on you how long you
been doing Ketone? Just kind of what got you into
this space in the first place. Um it's a little muddy when
exactly I started keto cuz I first learned about it from Tim
Ferriss has for our body book and I think that was back in
April last year is when I kind of started to go Quito and I did
a go rock event and then like I got done with it and immediately
I'm like, I need Cakes. And then I just wrecked
everything that I had done. So I kind of went away from it
for a while. And then back in June last year,
I started going at hardcore, discovered your podcast, I
discovered Brian Williamson, and Danny Vega's stuff and and
started gleaning some real. Good tips and advice on how to
keep me and he do so, I started refining what I was eating and
my methods and tracking better and getting an idea what macros
I should be hitting and so I've been going strong since I would
say June 26 I want to say is when I started going serious and
I've only broken keto about three times.
Since then. Very nice man.
Very nice. The I've read the 4-Hour Body
and he Advocates like the slow car.
I think I remember correctly. Yeah.
He I mean his method seems more like the cyclical keto, which it
takes me too long to get in the zone so I don't want to mess
that up. So I tried not to do any cheat
days or nothing like that. Yeah, I agree man I think you
just buckle down and kind of put your head down and get to work
and stay keto for for a while. Strict he do then you just lose
all the desire to break that cycle in the first place, right?
Right. Yeah.
And I mean, And it's been awesome.
I mean, the typical, you know, Trend with everybody's, they
start Quito and then they get that fast weight loss real quick
and you know, that 10 pounds of water weight just flies right
off. Yeah.
And then you kind of slow down but I mean, look at my graph.
There's a pretty good slope to what I've been doing over these
past few months and I'm basically down about 70 80
pounds. Now just in that sense since
July. Yeah, since since the end of
June, It's a currently it's it says 71 on my fitness pal but
you scared to weigh myself before I started keto.
So I was like, 290, 291 somewhere in there and just
today, I was, I was pushing to 17.
That's crazy, man. It's awesome though.
Congrats, I'll thank you, thank you.
Have you like done like body scan analysis and whatnot to see
if you build muscle during that time to?
Um, I took and I did my first Dex is Scan in December of last
year and I was reading about 31 percent during that.
And then just last month, I went in for a second one.
And I was down to 25% and I'd put on five pounds of muscle.
See, that's, that's awesome, man, because like, I don't know,
like, a lot of people the Dogma is you can't build muscle on
keto first of all then you can't build muscle while restricting
calories. And I got that there's just so
many instances of people like yourself, you know, perfect
example, losing body, fat and building muscle simultaneously,
and just feeling much better in the long run.
Oh, I gotta tell you, man, the place where I get my dexa.
Scan done. Is I live in Toledo, Ohio, which
is kind of like the corner of the state.
And so I'm real close to Epsilon T and Ann Arbor, which are up in
Michigan. So I was going to Eastern
Michigan University in order to get my dexa scan done.
And the first time I went in the girl doing the scan, she goes,
you know, Aikido. It's really hard for people to
build muscle and so I had to laugh when I went back for that
second skin and she was the attack running the machine.
And it's like, oh look at that five pounds of lean mass added.
Mmm, did she say anything or did she forget, she probably forgot.
She's, you see seized dozens of people a day that I mean, that
that dexa, scan is like the only one in the area that I'm aware
of. Now that's awesome and I have
you been able to tell difference like just looked in the mirror
and just kind of seeing your own competition.
Oh yeah man it's like I got that v-shape going.
Now, I see definition, I like I can't stop looking at my quads
when I take a shower because it's, you know, used to be.
So is just an Abe orphis blob. And now I see all these ridges
and I can name the muscles. I'm looking at.
Hmm. You know, I get a lot of crap
like bodybuilders in general that people just That they're
really Vain and they just look and look at themselves in the
mirror all time. Yada yada yada but it's pretty
freaking cool to be able to have control over your own body and
manipulate, you know, how lean you are.
How much muscle you have, how you look.
And then to be able to see these minut changes, take place you
know on a day-to-day basis compounded over months and
months. It's like that's freaking cool.
That's powerful. You know I mean most people
don't know how to do that so you know for you to be able to add
that's awesome man. Yeah, I mean, for the person on
the outside looking in, it might look like vanity, but I'm, I
mean, you put a lot of work into this, you know, especially
bodybuilders, like you who really know how to manipulate
the muscles and make them grow, you know, you do you want to
appreciate all the hard work you did.
So yeah, you it's okay to look at yourself.
It's just just don't let it go to your head.
Yeah, I agree. My dad, he rebuilds.
He's got like this old muscle car that Built that it was his
first car when he was 16 to 68 Camaro.
And he spent like he totally read it from the ground up and
it's just like a work of art now and every time he drives it you
know people would be like turning their hands and looking
at it drive by and he just like smiling the whole time because
you know he put all this work into something and people are
appreciating what's there and I don't think that's any different
than somebody's physique you know like you put all this work
into something and it's not bad for people to acknowledge that
that you look great. You You know, you built this and
people respect the time and effort you put into it.
Like there's nothing bad about that.
Exactly, I can't agree more. So tell me about that.
Kind of like your your sporting events or activities.
Like what got you into, the goruck goes to transition into
that. Like have you always done that?
Um, well, I mean go rock is it's a relatively new company.
It's not really a sport. At least, I can Define it as a
sport yet. It's more of almost a
combination leadership, training in endurance event.
Rolled into one i-i'll take you on a little journey, on my
timeline, back in 2013, I was getting married and I just
started a new job. I'm a physical therapist
assistant by trade and the job I started was I was working as
aquatic therapist at an outpatient clinic here in
Toledo. So basically, I got to stand in
a 94-degree pool all day with my shirt off, trying to teach
people to do exercises so I give them to walk and get them feel
better. Take away some pain and I mean
you get real self-conscious you know I'm I was at that time.
I think I was about 3:30 and so I did that for a couple months
didn't lose a single pound. So then I started doing a little
bit of Coaching with a local gal, she got me eating vegan of
all things. Like I, I've almost pains me to
say it because I never thought in my wildest dreams.
Hey, that dietary change I would ever do something like that.
And it's like, what, what, what changed I mean?
What were you eating previously? Okay, so I mean, - I was just
the standard American diet before I made that change, so it
was fast food. Every day, you know, wake up
drive to work and on the way hit McDonald's and grab you know,
3mc griddles and diet pop and and shall that down and then go
to work and do Five hours in the pool and then an hour and notes
and then go to Chipotle and grab to burrito and house them.
Like they're nothing come back to work, see patients for
another four hours on land and then do a mess of notes and then
go home and eat whatever, you know, was available at home.
And so I was pretty hefty dude and you know, being in a
swimming pool. Shirt off off being the person
that's trying to teach other people how to be healthy how to
feel pain free. I think there's an expectation
there where, you know, you should look a certain way and a
lot of people in my field will disagree with that and and to
some extent yes you know my balm type doesn't Define my
Professional Knowledge, but at the same time there is an
expectation and that if you don't live up to that
expectation, You're kind of letting your patients down and
away. Yeah.
And not in a negative way. I mean, we're all good
clinicians. We all care about what we do,
but if you can align their expectation, with the service
they receive. I think you get a more positive
outcome. I agree.
So from, you know, standard American diet and fast food to
vegan veganism that what we're not even know what vegans eat
man. I never tried to be.
I didn't like what was it typical day of eating for you?
Then back in the day, I used to say, oh yeah, I feel great.
And I think it was just me deluding myself.
She it started out almost paleo. It was like a gradual change.
So I was kind of doing paleo. I'd had I done it before when I
was going through school and so we we did paleo and then we kind
of switched it slowly. To work in the meat out of it.
And before I knew it, I was making juice for breakfast and,
and taking a juice for lunch and then eaten, a completely
meat-free dinner will ever like spaghetti squash and, you know,
I like a marinara sauce and, and a bunch of veggies in there.
And I remember just feeling cold all the time when I wasn't in
the pool hole. And nowadays, I've switched over
to Quito and I just feel awesome.
All the time, was there like a pretty significant shift in?
Like, just how you felt the Sue just pushed over like that.
Take time. Um, well I mean, I didn't switch
over until last year. So I kind of, I kind of got away
from the vegan once I plateaued out at about 250.
And so I was like, well, I'm flat out.
Plateaued, what do I do? And then is there was a CrossFit
gym in town, so I was like, well maybe I'll go build some muscle
and that'll get things moving. So I did CrossFit for three
years here in town, and I really liked it, but really didn't see
any change my body come up. I mean muscle mass one up, but I
was still kind of soft. One of my friends there is named
Michael to yushik, He told me about goruck, and when I was in
high school, I really wanted to be in the military.
I thought that's where I was going to gonna spend the rest of
my life in high school. I went to military entrance
processing station or as they call it maps and it's a really
fun time. If you ever talk to somebody
who's been in the military, or is gone through it, because
there's a little thing called the underwear parade where they
have, you do all these movements and the doctors, At the military
or just assessing you to make sure you don't have any injuries
or anything prior to entering so that you don't work the system
or something like that. So did that went through the
whole process and then the guys at the map station go, you're
too heavy so they didn't let me in the military because it is
too heavy. And then just a few years ago I
got diagnosed with narcolepsy. Which Which is a sleep disorder,
is characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness.
So there's no waiver in the Department of Defense for
narcolepsy. If you have it, then you can't
serve because they're too worried about you, falling
asleep at your post and, you know, potentially causing a bad
situation for you or your unit. So he told me about goruck and I
was all about it and he goes You put on this weighted backpack
you show up to handle this guy from the Special Forces come
out. He tell you what to do, and then
at the end, they give you a patch and I'm like, yeah, that
sounds pretty awesome. I mean, the patch, I don't
really care but, you know, cool. Yeah, it's something to do on a
weekend. So I signed up for my my first
event was I got it here. I was in Detroit.
Oi class 883 on July 25th. 2015, it was a goruck alight and we
had to Cadre there. One was a Marine Corps weapons
sergeant and I honestly can't remember what the other guys job
was, but I believe user a marine as well and it was about 45
hours of them, putting us through the wringer.
That sounds amazing. You don't even know what to
expect, right? I think the obstacles and
everything might be totally different from time to time.
All, that's the thing. There are no obstacles.
All of this is done. They start point is a public
Plaza and you all gather at the plaza.
They do a roll call and, you know, a quick safety brief and
then they start having you. Do you know physical training
with your your backpack, on your rock?
And then it's marching you all over town.
And then you'll do pt here or you'll you'll be carrying heavy
objects which we did both, we carried heavy objects, we did
PT. We got to see some of the sights
of the town. I know recently.
Well not recently within the past few years, they demolish,
the old Tiger Stadium and so they still have the baseball
diamond there, but none of the building He's still there.
So we got to rock all the way from Hart Plaza, which is by the
Detroit River. All the ways of the old Tiger
Stadium and then we did some stuff at the old Tiger Stadium,
which I thought was really cool. That's awesome.
And so like there I mean that I said I don't know much about
this but I guess they're all over the country now is just
like an organization that manages all these is it all kind
of done in-house. Or is it all like independently
contracted? Um well basically I'll tell you
the origin to go rock and I'll try to make it.
Reader's Digest version goruck, was started by a Green Beret.
His name is Jason McCarthy. He came up with the idea to
build like the best backpack ever, you wanted to be very
functional, very tough and American-made.
So he kind of sketched out a little rough drawing on a
napkin. And when he separated from the
military, he started working on being an entrepreneur and
basically built the The goruck backpack and then to prove that
it was the best backpack ever. He came up with the goruck
challenge and this was probably I'm not exactly sure on the
dates. I want to say it was 2008.
Maybe when they they first came up with the goruck challenge so
there wasn't a lot of information out there there,
nobody knew really what it was so people just signed up.
Ben showed up. And from what I understand was
pretty arduous. It was, they didn't tell anybody
exactly what they're going to be doing and give a timeframe
there. Just said, pack this stuff and
show up and then they proceeded to smoke everybody at the the
event. Fast forward years later.
Now they have multiple levels of the event.
So there's What's called the goruck light which is roughly
about 4 to 5 hours. You cover about 7 to 10 miles.
And they like to say there's 100 percent pass rate.
I can tell you. There's no it's not always 100%
pass rate, but we'll get to that later.
They have the tough, which used to be called The Challenge but
they Changed it. And it's about 10 to 12 hours
about 15 to 20 miles and it has a 94 percent pass rate.
Then they have the heavy, heavy is 24, plus h about a 50 percent
pass rate and you cover 40 plus miles.
So, what like, what all is in the backpack?
I want to show you can we how much these way goruck has a
packing list on their website and they tell you depending on
what level of event you're doing.
So like a light if you're under 150 You carry 10 pounds of
weight and your rock. If you're over 150, you carry
20, and then with the tough and heavy, if you're under 150
pounds, it's 20 pounds. If you're over its 30 pounds, in
addition to that, you're going to have a hydration source.
So you got to have a water bladder, you got to have a
Nalgene in case you start getting really dehydrated and
they got to give you electrolytes.
You have to have a headlamp and extra batteries for the headlamp
and then you know, in addition to that you're going to want
like a dry bag or a Pelican case to keep your wallet or your cell
phone dry because all too often you're going to end up in a body
of water or you're going to be going through a fountain or
something. You want your cell phone to die.
I don't want to lose your car keys.
You don't want to your want your soggy wallet.
So That. And then you can have whatever
Comfort items you want. So, you know, we call them lick,
he's and Chewy's and, you know, any kind of food changes socks.
The big thing and I should buy stock in this is It's called
body light. It's an anti chafing almost like
deodorant kind of thing and then usually like a couple of
carabiners in case you need that for during weights and what not?
And then like a windbreaker or something to insulate you from
the elements because it doesn't matter if it's raining, it's
shining, it's snowing. If as long as the the National
Guard isn't there, keep in martial law, the go rocks, doing
an event, so it doesn't matter what the weather is you're out
there. What, like I said I can meet,
you know, regulation as far as you know what you're wearing
like your Footwear and everything.
Um, that is like the running joke.
Within the goruck community, goruck people, we refer to
ourselves as G RTS, goruck tough but there's also another name we
go by is weirdos because if you're walking around or well if
you're driving around in a city and you see a bunch of 40 people
and backpacks, that kind of look like their paramilitary.
You're like what are those weirdos doing?
Yeah. So the weirdos really To the big
discussion is what, what do you wear?
What shoes do I wear? What boots do I wear?
And it was explained to me best by one of the goruck Cadre.
He said it's Shooters choice. You got to find out what works
for you. So for a goruck light, they are
usually recommend tennis shoes for a tough.
You can do tennis shoes or trail shoes.
If that works for you. Me personally, I like to use
boots. So I wear boots for all my
events now because I like the ankle support and the first
light I did in Detroit, they ended up making us crab walk
through a fountain over by the river and then they had his bear
crawl back through the fountain and by the time I was all done,
my shoes were soggy and I had worn out like the back lip part
there and it was like rubbing on my heel.
And so I was like No, never doing never doing tennis shoes
again. What kind of boots you use them?
I use Rockies. See, 40s, which are discontinued
their. It's almost like a jungle boot
style. They have drainage holes on the
inside. So that if you get water in
them, it can drain out and then you're not like walking in a
water bed. I also have a pair of Rocky's SV
2's. I believe those are all of the
ones I used for wintertime. I just just got to use those for
a tough and a light back to back in Columbus and they worked out
real well, and you've done like 20 of these events know.
Right. I've done to date 16 total
events and I'm signed up for I think it's 19 for this year
with. I already got two down.
That's crazy man is like you got several each month.
It's like being in the National Guard.
I like I gotta do two events, every every month, one weekend a
month for the rest of the year. But it's just funny because it's
just grown exponentially. I started out.
I only did two events my first year and then I did five events
my second year. And then my third year, I think
I did seven events, but I got sick and then I couldn't do as
many as I wanted to do. So then this year, they were
there running the sale and I drink the Kool-Aid and bought up
every event that they were doing in Michigan City.
You travel outside of Michigan or do you pretty much?
Keep it all local. Um, I've traveled a little bit,
I live in Toledo, so it's right there by the Michigan, Ohio
border. So, I've been up to Ann Arbor to
do an event. I've done Detroit.
I've gone over to Cleveland Columbus.
As far as Traverse City and then I even did one event in Indiana.
Which was a go rocks, firearms training in event and in
addition to their endurance events that you firearms
training and they do survival training and stuff like that.
So it's more than just endurance events but endurance events that
are what hooked me. So, what's like the?
Like if you can look back over the 16th at you, Done so far.
Was it like one that stood out as being the most mentally and
physically just draining? Oh yes.
Let me see that one. A detail, man.
I'm curious. Okay, so it was Veterans Day.
We're trying to think. I think that was 16.
Yeah, that was that was Veterans Day last year.
Yes. No, not last year that was 17.
So, yeah, I was 16 November, Ann Arbor Michigan, and it was about
know. It was, it was cold.
It was real cold. I hate the cold.
You know, it live in Ohio working in Michigan.
You think I get used to the cold but it doesn't matter.
How used to it? You never all the way used to
it. So the start time for that, it
was a tough start time was 9:00 at night.
They wanted us to meet at this park near pretty much where all
the hospitals are in Ann Arbor, because you've got the VA,
you've got University of Michigan health system.
So there's tons of hospitals and and things and in Ann Arbor and
we're in this big Park and I remember looking at the event
page on Facebook and I just couldn't believe how many people
are showing up and we had something like 118 participants
show up, which is somewhat unusual because normally when I
would do an event in Detroit, you know, we get 60, 70, maybe
80, but For close to 120 people show up.
That's pretty awesome. We had three college or a Cadre,
are the instructors. So, when goruck sends us out on
these endurance events, they send out someone from the
military who is or served as a special operator in some
capacity. So, we're talking Navy Seals
Marine Recon Army. Jurors are Green Berets Army,
Special Forces, Navy corpsman, who are attached to the seals.
I think there's a couple of Air Force comp controllers.
May be a PJ. I don't quote me on that one.
I'm not sure. I haven't had any Cadre.
Who were Air Force yet? But I have had Navy Seals and
Rangers and Marine Recon. So, our three Cadre for that
night was Cadre. Michael, who was who is attached
to Marine Recon? Then it was B, squared.
Brian squared, he can't write. Remember what he was.
I want to say. He was a marine Recon guys.
Well, he was, he's He's kind of he had the notoriety as being
the toughest Cadre and goruck. So yeah, we already knew we were
in for a smoke Fest there and then the third person was Cadre,
Rooney, who is a, an Army Ranger.
And little, did I know would become actually one of my best
friends because I ended up coaching him on how to get into
keto later. Very cool man.
Yeah. So we show up to this event,
it's a big open field and we just park, and it's always funny
at these events because you're all standing around your middle
and you're checking your you're nervous.
You know. What's it going to be like it's
always like the qadri come on to left field.
Like they just they just know how to sneak up on everybody.
And I remember Cadre, Michael just starts starts yelling for
us to get in formation because it always starts out.
The welcome party is usually a gear check and then a lot of PT.
So I think the first thing the Hannah's do is put our rocks
down and there was a parking garage like directly in front of
us and he says, all right I want everybody up on.
I want you to get up to the top of that parking garage. and back
down here and I think it was something like six minutes so
the entire class just starts booking it and we run up the
fire steps on the one side and then I guess somebody had the
foresight to run up the other side or something and open up
the the door so that we could all go across the roof and then
we're booking it across the roof to the opposite fire stairwell
and then back down and then Then back to where he wanted us to
form up and then it just, it was it started.
I was Smoke Fest. There was a duck walks and bear
crawls low crawls. It's one of those things were if
somebody messes up the whole team suffered for it because I
go rock event is it's not an individual event.
You you're there to work as a team there's only one event
where you work as an individual and that's Selection, we can get
into that later. But when you, you show up to
these events, you got to be prepared to work with your team.
There is no, you're not going to be Captain America and show up
in here and and and can't kind of lead the way and be the rock
star that carries everyone else through.
It's everybody working together is what's going to get the job
done. So you know, anytime somebody's,
you know, but it's up in the air during a push-up.
Up. And if your knees are touching
the ground during bear crawl. Yes what go back?
Do it again. Do it right.
I like it, man. I and these sound the sound
pretty internet, interesting. I'm curious to try one now.
I think, I mean, if you if you had to ask me because I've I
loved your interview with Marcus Aurelius Anderson.
I think he's an awesome fellow. I think a goruck event is really
the embodiment of Stowe to stoicism because you are going
out there and getting comfortable being uncomfortable.
You're embracing the suck, you're doing that thing, you
don't want to do so you get better at it.
Mmm. And that's that's really what
these events are about because there's nowhere else.
I really know of where you can go out and test your leadership
skills and use it to learn without having some negative
repercussions. If I go into work and I try to
be a team lead and I see screw something up, I could
potentially end my career but if I go out on and go run, A event
and you know, the cadres: for a team leader and an assistant
team leader. And I volunteer, this is my
opportunity to go out there and fail and learn from it and
become a better person from it. Yeah, absolutely.
I think I don't like, I like the idea of no one individual wins,
they all help each other because I mean like with bodybuilding
like I love body glance individual sport but it's like a
constant push to like be better than myself.
Better myself and was always against me.
But it would be cool to like separate from that for a moment
and like focus on helping somebody else be there better
self, you know? So it's amazing because there's
a lot of terminology. So, if you hear something that I
don't, that isn't quite clear to you.
If feel free to speak up, but we have a term called gray Manning,
and then is where, when you're in the middle of event you know
10 hours in its pitch black out, you've been carrying your rock,
you've been carrying the team weight that the you're supposed
to bring or the weighted American flag that we carry out
front of us or the Cadre of brought what they call coupons
which is just extra weighted items that really suck to carry
and they're cumbersome but you got to carry it anyway because
he said so people you know start to they start to shut down, they
To go inside themselves and start that negative talk or, you
know, they just, I've been carrying it thing for 10 hours.
I don't want to carry it anymore and then just so they like carry
it for 5 minutes and then they call for switch.
And then they go to the back of the line.
That's, that's when if, as a teammate, if you're standing
next to that person, you know, you're digging in your rock and
you're looking for that, you know, little B little bit of
beef jerky. Key or one of the snacks.
They like to take is chocolate-covered espresso beans
that little bit of food. You know.
Can someone suddenly snap someone right out of it then it
can be. It goes from you know this sucks
too. All right, we got this.
Yeah. You know you look to your left.
You look to your right. It's those people next few.
It's not about you. It's about your team and how you
guys can get through this together.
It's so it's so cool, man, like to do something, especially with
other people that you have camaraderie with and and nobody
else like would do that. Like, I went to, we were duck
hunting one time down at the farm family got a family farm
down south and it was like, December and we went like two
miles Downriver and then our outboard motor, quit on us and
in the river was up. So we had to basically bring
this boat back upriver. So, I jumped in The super fully
clothed and I'm like, holding onto the boat and then like
pulling vines that are hanging off the side of the bank for two
miles upriver and like everybody's on the boat, you
know, helping them get to like, you know, run another six miles
back to the cabin. It was just, it was, it was
brutally cold. It was just miserable.
I'm not my blisters but I didn't prepare for any of this stuff,
you know. Oh yeah.
And it's just, it's just cool like that.
I was smiling the whole time because it's like man.
Nobody else would be doing this. Nobody else.
I mean this would be just, you know, debilitating for people.
But I love it because it's just hard, you know, I love the hard
things, my brother. He used to sail boats out on
Lake Erie. He tell me that he liked to
there's a race called the trans Eerie so you getting your
sailboat and sail from one side of the Great Lakes to the other
and he loved it because it's like how many people do that,
you know, or he could be out there in October when the waves
Up and it's raining sideways and be at the front of the boat just
yelling to his friends. We're doing something.
Yeah, that that's cool man. Like people they don't want to
be uncomfortable and they don't want to feel unsafe but then
that's when like you feel alive. Like when when you're out of
your comfort zone, when your safety is at risk, you know,
like that's that's when I light up.
Well and I mean to some degree, you know, you're never 100% safe
but on a go rock event safety. She is the priority but at the
same time you know you gotta sometimes you got to do, you got
to push it, you got to push it and that's that's what we're
trying to do with those, but I get it that adrenaline's pumping
you feel alive and it's just that it's that shared experience
it's that you've been through something kind of feeling.
Yeah, absolutely. So what happens when people like
if somebody Is not, you know, finish it.
What happens in like they just stopped running?
Well, that's one of the things that are neglected to mention
was when you you sign up for an event, one of the things on the
packing list is you're supposed to bring $20 in cash, that's
your quitters cash. So if you you know in the middle
of the event, you decide this isn't for me anymore, you know,
codger gets on their cell phone calls, you a taxi and you go
back to your car, Got you. So any moment you could be
quitting. Is that like a?
I don't like that, like negative stigma there.
Anybody just not wanting to do it.
Oh yeah, shame or something. No, no, not really because it is
a team event and it's just, there's some people it's just
not their night, you know, they didn't they didn't get much
sleep the night before because they're so nervous or you know,
they worked all day before they came out the event.
So you know half the time We were realize people quit during
the event. I was telling you about in Ann
Arbor Veterans Day. We started with it like that
hundred 1820. We ended with something like 78.
There, we had that many quitters so what, what happened?
Like we kind of got off-track. We digress.
Hey, what else happened with that with that event?
Okay, so in in go rock there, there's, there's a formula
almost There's a welcome party which is what the college we
were putting us through, they did the safety brief, they did a
gear check and half of the reason for the gear check is so
they can find something that you forgot to bring or you didn't
think you needed to bring even though it was on the packing
list. So they got another excuse to
smoke anymore. So they did the year check and
then they split us into three groups, each Cadre had their own
group, and then they put us through their own kind of
Physical exercise thing. And so, we would rotate and this
group of do this, and then, with this college, or another group,
would do this. And so on, so forth.
And then, after the welcome party was over, they introduced
this one guy. I don't even know who he was,
but apparently he had cut down some some logs locally and
stripped all the bark off of them and brought him out to the
event for us to carry. Re.
And these are huge logs, huge. I have no idea what the weight
of them was, but I want to say four to five hundred pounds and
qadri Michael goes, these are your boats.
You're now going to be separating a boat cruise and
we've got to move these boats X distance in this amount of time
and it just so happened. I was lucky I guess is the term.
We were chosen to move the logs first, so one group was moving,
the logs. Another group was with, going
with Cadre B squared and another group was going with Kashmir uni
and they were all doing their separate thing and we had to
carry him and I think it was three or four logs.
So many miles away, you know, a certain point.
You don't know what the distance is anymore and you just you just
know that it's rough. You're under That log, that log
is unforgiving or gravity is unforgiving, you know, your it's
always pulling on you 9.8 meters per second squared, so it
doesn't even care that we prepared a lot.
That's where a guy got a little iffy to, because I think when I
first started that, that Evolution, we had probably like
seven or eight people on that log and then as as we continue
down the road, You know, people started quitting on us.
So that log was even harder me and then we're dropping the logs
and toddler is yelling at us. And then finally, we get to a
point where he's like, all right, see his parking lot, get
your logs over there, get them down and then get over in that
grass and getting the front line in rest position, front lean
rest is, you know, the push-up position and I think from there,
he proceeded to smoke us for dropping his boats.
Yeah, So we're crawling through Frozen grass in November, you
know, it's like cut and you, and you, and I mean, this is your
everyday grass like your front lawn, but in November in
Michigan with the frost, it's it's unforgiving.
So we're crawling through that trying to make up for dropping
his boats and then he takes us back to the start point, so he
can trade us off with Another College Ray, so the nice little
not. So nice thing about that event.
Was it done with with one? Kajri you stood there and you
waited for the other Cadre to come back with their groups.
So we got back to the the field and then well ruin.
He's not back yet, so we gotta wait for them.
So we you just see a group of a standing, a big penguin, huddle
close together. Trying to stay warm Warm because
the winds blowing and it's like freezing, sweat your pores.
So you know it's you know, heat you up.
Cool, you down, eat you up cooling down.
It's like a gas station, burrito by the end of it.
I was as cold on the outside, is warm on the inside.
But what was the the next rotation?
Then we, then my team went to Cadre Rooney, who he assigned a
team leader and wanted us to navigate to a park nearby And my
one friend who I think ended up being the Navigator, let us to
the wrong Park. So another smoke Fest and ensued
and I think Rooney kind of went over doing fireman's carries
with us and so sometimes they'll teach a skill fireman's carry
was the skill. That Rooney decided to go with
on that day. So we're there we found a hill
in a park that wasn't supposed to be our park and we're
fireman's carrying each other up and down the hill so that we can
learn that skill. He sometimes what the Cadre will
do with that time twos, they'll kind of take your time a little
bit of time to tell us about, you know, stories in their
service. So Rooney got to tell us about
going through Ranger school and All the crazy stuff that ensues.
And then he took his back to back to the field.
The trade us off with the to be squared, but we ended up.
Oh, he also taught us tourniquets with you with
whatever we could find. So, on the way back to the
field, every once in a while, Cadre will, start mixing things
up if they see that you're doing well, well, all right.
Time to increase the stress. And see how they do.
So we're going across a bridge and Ann Arbor.
He goes up this part of the team, just took an IED blast.
You guys got to put tourniquets on and start, buddy.
Carrying them back to the start point.
It was pretty cool. I like the unexpectedness of it
all. Yeah, so we got a, we got to
pull their rocks off. We got to put, you know,
makeshift tourniquets on them. We got start carrying them and I
mean, you know, we were pretty smoked.
I mean, I could feel my legs cramping up when we were walking
to the On Park. Mmm.
So the idea of taking and carrying someone else's rock or
carrying someone else was miserable.
But we were so late that at one point Rooney made us I think it
was bear-crawl, really slow through an alley that was near
the start point and there's a think there's a video of it up
on Facebook and there go Ruff Tuff page but we were just we
were going slow and you know you you mess up you gotta pay the
man and that was that was what we had to do to make up for
being slow and not pushing through.
Give me like anyway, just like totally break down, like never
having done anything demanding like this.
They just totally break down in front of you.
Um I remember there's has been events where I seen people quit
10 minutes in really? Yeah, I've seen that there's I
mean other times, I'll see it where they might try to do a
heavy and a telephone, a light back to back to back.
So you know, your heavy people come limping in when you're
fresh. Getting ready for a tough.
And then at the last second they're like, yeah, I'm just
going to withdrawal. I don't, I can't do this.
So I'm, but I've never seen anybody just completely lose it
so to speak. But I mean, you're under stress.
So I see people lose their temper.
All the time. I saw two girls in Cleveland one
time. Getting an argument, which it
turned out later was a my chat Our president for team rwb,
which is a volunteer organization that I'm actually
rocking coordinator with your in Toledo.
Yeah, she was. She was arguing with another
girl, who about a sandbag that they were carrying or something
like that during a light. I, the last event I did in
Columbus during the tough, we had a guy who I think he was
probably in his early to late. 50s.
And like, we were going through the welcome party and he like
walked up the Cadre. He's kind of like I don't think
I can do this and then the Kadri, can I give him a little
pep talk and then he got back in and act in into the, the mix and
ended up finishing event with us.
So we're, you know, we're not trying to get quitters but, you
know, some people, it's just not their night.
Have you ever done like any of the other?
Like, let's not even a race by viewed.
Unlike any of the Spartan races are tough?
Or anything that I did a Warrior Dash up in Flint when I was
going through PTA school. And, you know, it's, they'll
people tell me that I need to do like a Spartan and I probably
will some point, but it's just not something I'm really
interested in because after that were Dash, I trained up for it
and I did it. And then I, oh, I got a little
metal, and I was washing mud out of places for three days.
Hmm. And I really didn't Don't Come
Away With It with any usable skill.
Yeah. Whereas with the goruck event,
you know, you go out there you find out something about your,
you know, how much you can endure, how much of a beating
you can take or if you take on that team leader role, you learn
something about leadership. You you know I've had caligiuri
teaches how to do tourniquets. I've learned Basic lamb nav.
I've learned water navigation, different survival techniques.
You know, I Come Away with some kind of usable skill that I can
either apply in an emergency situation or I can apply it to
my everyday life as in a leadership role or from a
managerial role. That's pretty cool man.
I got really like I don't like I like all my friends are in the
military so they are always doing these cool training things
and whatnot. It's like that.
That's pretty good. Going to be able to like offer
that to the public and like a way that's, you know, hitting on
all cylinders with regard to you know, leadership and just
physical fitness and just teamwork.
Absolutely. I mean it's it's kind of funny
because I do Pathfinder training which is a program that was
developed by a group of people called team spearhead and we
were talking in one of our Facebook groups.
One day and was like me and you guys ever get depressed after
you get done. With a with an event and like
everyone's like yeah we always do mean you had this really good
team and you really came together and you were able to
accomplish awesome stuff and then one of the guys who is you
know he's he was in the military he's like wow you guys get
depressed after you get done doing events you know like
somebody who gets depressed after they leave the military.
Hmm. So I mean I don't want to do To
belittle anybody service. I'm very, I'm very grateful
American but there is a parallel in there somewhere where after
you leave the military, you're used to working with motivated
individuals, as a team. You have a purpose you know Ed
when we get done with a go rock event, we were a team.
We had sort of a purpose and we were working together and then
you lose that. So it really gives you I taste
maybe not even a taste but just and a little bit of an idea of
what our service members go through when they start their
service and when they and their service because there's a lot of
trepidation when you start basic training from what I understand.
And then there's that kind of depression that you get when you
leave the military and you don't really know what to do with the
rest of your life. It's pretty cool, man.
I'm up to have to go on the go. It's She's got to go wreck.com
and then I can sign up for an event.
Yeah. They got a they've got a map at
that you can look in your area what events are going on.
You know it's the they got all the information, all the packing
lists they sell gear, you know they have got goruck backpacks
that are warrantied for for life as long as you own that rock as
Long as you don't shoot it, stab it set it on fire.
They'll you can send it in to them and they'll repair it or or
if need be replace it and keep it going for as long as as you.
You can move it. Yeah, that's awesome.
What do you do for my cat training perspective?
Like if someone wanted to prepare for, you know, goruck
event, what would be the ideal style of training, really the
Thing is I find that you gotta train like you're going to be
going to the actual event. So another group I'm involved
with is f 3 Toledo. F 3 is kind of a fitness Faith
Fellowship organization. They just try to get guys
together outdoors and do free workouts and it's led by one of
the piers of the group and we do a lot of rocking with an m.
F3. So my F3 guys right now are just
getting ready to do a goruck event here until you do.
That's a custom event. And most of them are just used
to putting like the 35 30 pound plate in their backpack and just
going walking around and Bs and you know, with us and and
telling jokes and the usual thing one day, I told him.
All right. Listen load up your rocks.
Like you're going to go to the event because yeah, usually do
your 30 pound plate. Maybe some water.
You're not used to carrying all that other gear.
So the big thing is getting the time under the rock, with the
actual gear and knowing how your body is going to respond to it.
Because if you've never put on a fully loaded out rock and then
you go out there, you're going to have a bad time.
Yeah, I can imagine. I mean that's that's a lot more
than just your body weight there, right?
So you know, the big thing is you doing going out there
getting the miles in but also you know, doing PT with your
rock on, do some squats, do some back squats, do some front
squats, do some overhead squats, do overhead rack holds.
I remember during that Veterans Day event that I hate so much
that but loved the same time. There was one Guy who couldn't
hold his Ruck over his head for a minute.
You know, so if you can't hold that the rest of the events not
going to be too fun for you. Yeah, for sure.
What about, what about nutrition?
I what do you do? Like what are you bring with
you? What other people bring with
them? Okay, well, I mean other people,
I only know a couple of Aikido G Artis and I've never done a
event with them yet. So me personally I pack usually
like, I'll take exogenous ketones because You know, that's
going to have high potassium, high sodium.
So if I get to a point where I'm really starting to cramp up or
something, I'll mix it up in my knowledge gene or I'll get the,
the key Genex has that like, mouths break exoticness ketones.
So if I start feeling like mud headed, you know, my brain
starts getting foggy and a couple of squirts of that and
that might be enough to kick me out of your grave Manning eating
evolved has these awesome. Coconut butter cups.
If you ever had those, it's going on getting involved, is
the brand evolved eating I think is the name of them.
I'll check them out. I got heard of him.
Yeah, they got some sweet. Coconut butter cups.
Always. Yes eating involved.
It's dark chocolate. Coconut butter cups?
Make? They make them in a couple of
different flavors and they're pretty good.
They got a fair amount of carbs in them, but imagine when, you
know, when you get that At higher heart rate and your
burning carbs sometimes, you got to replace it a little bit.
So I don't feel too bad. If I'm at our 10 of a tough and
ie2 dark chocolate, coconut butter cups because I know I'm
not going to kick myself out of ketosis at that point.
Yeah and then you know, usually I enter these events fasted just
because I just, I move better, I perform better when I'm fasted
and I just I mostly just down water through the out, the whole
event. How long do you?
Fast prior to the event. Starting probably from dinner
the night before or sometimes like a every now and then I'll
have like a breakfast. I oh I'm one of those ones that
only eats one meal a day. Yeah it seems to work real well
for me so like I usually just eat dinner.
So if I'm going to be doing an event, I'll just fast from
dinner. The day before, all the way
through the event, if I need to So I'm even on the number like,
the 24, plus our events. Oh, well, I haven't done a heavy
yet, that's that's something. I'm going to tackle this this
summer. I'm going to do my first heavy
in America. It's actually going to be an
HTML. I have you tell flight, so I'm
going to try to earn earn, my htl patch and try to do all
three back to back to back. I'd be intense mean, it's 46
hours roughly of suffering. So, when when is that stock is,
I don't know. Already.
Oh yeah, I've got all my events planned out for the year.
So this is the the Detroit 911 htl.
So goruck also does themed event.
So like they do the special memorial events for like the
9/11 tragedy. They do one commemorating, the
Mogadishu mile, which was the a battle and Somalia during Gothic
serpent. That's the one that's based on
the Movie Black Hawk Down is based on that event.
Got you. They do special ones for
Veterans Day for a couple of new ones.
This year is Operation Red Wings which I believe that was the,
the operation that Marcus Luttrell is book is Lone
survivors based on well, not based on.
It's a it's a telling of mmm. So, you know, the it's going to
be a serious event. Probably going to be a lot of
stairs because most of the time when I see something about one
of the 9/11 events the Cadre, talk about all the stairs, the
First Responders had to climb to help get people out of the the
towers. So this is cool man.
I got, I'm getting excited now because I've been looking for
something, you know, apart from just, just the normal training
I'm doing just something to mix it up.
It's kind of like more team-oriented.
So this this might be fitting the It perfectly, I think every
perfect for a minute, I tried to try to rope Brian Williamson,
and but he wasn't bite, he wasn't like he wasn't buying.
He's, I think he's too busy with Kido cons, so it was just like
whatever man. Oars they get.
I mean, I guess it's growing pretty rapidly.
I mean they got them all over the place now, right?
Oh, it's it grows exponentially every year because, you know, it
just gets around word of mouth and it's that shared
experiences. You know, you've the people that
I've done goruck events with are the same people.
I see keep showing up and up over and over and over again and
I know they're good people and I can really depend on them if I
was ever in a bind, I had one friend is named Rob wheeler.
I was I did, I've done 13 events with him.
Probably maybe 12. I'm not on a person.
But I I put it out there as like, hey, I'm going to go.
Do the Patriot Rock up in Detroit?
Who wants to come? And nobody would go with me.
But Rob's just like I'll do it and him and I put on our team
rwb shirts and we pretty much jogged the entire six miles of
the Patriot Rock and we were the first civilians to get past the
cross, the finish line. Very cool man.
Yeah, so you just me these great people, you have a great time,
you'll hear some great things and I just can't say enough
nice. Things about the organization,
you know, the, the events that I did up in Traverse City were
some amazing events. And I got to see some amazing
landscape where I learn water survival and how to deal with
hypothermia firsthand because we had some people that were
starting to show signs of it. So, we had, we had to address
that. Right away.
And, and the goruck college-ready were very
professional. And, you know, when they saw
that our safety was in Jeopardy, they said, okay, we need to, we
need to pause and come back in the morning when we can keep an
eye on all you guys and ensure your safety.
So, I mean, you just can't find a higher caliber event to build
leadership in to build a team. I love it.
Love it. Yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna check
this out man. Soon as this podcast I won't be
going to go broke.com and seeing if I get any near me.
I mean it's there's there's it's so diverse.
I mean if doing an event you know one of the challenges, the
endurance challenges isn't your thing.
They've got the survival events, I did one up in Detroit, it's
called constellation and it teaches you different things
about urban survival. You know how to How to escape
and evade people pursuing you or how to build a gas mask out of a
2-liter duct tape and a dust mask.
So we're not it's not all, it's all through the go
recommendation but it's all based off a different kind of
genres based off of what you would prefer to do.
Yeah I mean you you can you can do something like that if those
things aren't interesting you maybe you're a Firearms guy.
I mean all these guys know how to Manipulate a firearm better
than, you know, their own hands. So they do firearms training
from the very basic to very Advanced that I even listen to
another podcast. Were one of the Cadre was
talking about how they have a separate list of events that
they use just for training law enforcement.
Very cool, very cool. What time, what?
So what's your next event? What do you have coming up next?
My next one is, it's the custom event here until you do.
It's the grow Rock. It's a special leadership
oriented event for just F three guys in the area.
So that's going to be, it's a tough.
It's going to start at 6:00 at night and it's probably going to
go. I'm imagining longer than 6:00
in the morning. That's exciting, man.
This is cool man. You get me.
Get me. Get me ready to go.
I want to just jump on now and dive into it.
Oh man. I love to have you on my team.
So I have a team where you just kind of like, pick your own
team, or, I mean, has that happened?
I know is whoever shows up to the event is the team.
Very cool, very cool. I'll see if I can make my way up
to your neck of the woods and make it happen, man.
Me and you make it up here or I make it make it down there.
Their way, I mean, I got no qualms about traveling.
It's just right now, my budget is Max for the year doing 19
events. So, yeah, they would, they would
be that'd be a next year thing. Well, we'll get at will get
Aikido will get a keto for steam going.
Well, what I need is, I need a, I need a pile of those keto
bricks man. They're sold out 45 minutes
after he announced them. And I may, I'll send you one for
that, that back-to-back-to-back triple heavy with light and what
we'll just go with him and see how it see, how it puts up to
the challenge. JH.
I have no doubt. That's going to keep me.
She told, especially if you used to fasten the whole time.
Oh yeah. I I looked at it and it just saw
that that's that's perfect. If the thousand calories because
there's this magical part during a goruck.
Were the codger. Give you a little break.
You sit down there. I remember on my first tough.
We were in Detroit were over by the renaissance building which
is like the the big building right there by the river that
everyone kind of knows. Um, is trade market at Roy.
And you got this, the, the Renaissance Center shining, and
in the background, we just got done low, crawl, and down a hill
covered in dirt and Country like, all right, just take a
break and you're all sitting around.
You're sharing your food and it's just quiet and looking up
at the stars, what stars? You can see in the city and
everyone you just hear everyone chewing and just breathing and
it's just a beautiful moment where, you know, You're coming
together as a team because people are sharing food and you
know, had joking around and changing their socks and you
just know at that point your your cohesive team.
That's awesome. Man, that I love, I love the
idea of having something. So, you know, team morning, just
like the, come on the camaraderie, you get with other
people that are doing just hard shit together.
Like, that alone is just freaking cool.
Well and then it's funny because then it starts because it became
a joke on the garage. Off page where if you're going
through an airport and you see someone with a goruck bag on,
you look for the patch and then you try to take a picture of
them and they post on the page and they joke about it's a GRT
in the wild. Yeah I like it I like it.
I'm not to give me one of these bags man.
So I can try to assimilate all its.
I mean it's the best money I ever spent on a bag.
And the problem is, once you buy one, then you start buying more.
I've got almost one of every iteration that they have it goes
the bullet Rock, which is a smaller kind of everyday carry
Rock. There's an echo, which I don't
have. Then you go to The Rocker, which
is probably your best one for shoes and to for your first
event because it's it's very minimalist.
You can secure your weight and it very well.
It's a good first event pack and then you go to the gr one, which
was They're kind of the first one they made and it's a little
bit bigger. But, you know, when you start
doing those longer events like a tough and heavy, you need more
more room for. Look, he's and Chewy's and extra
socks. And then you start going to the
G R2 which is strictly like a travel bag.
You never use that for an event unless you're crazy.
And then then the big boy, the gr3 is their latest one that
they release back in November and that thing is huge.
You could you can live out of that thing.
You have to have the actual branded Go written bag to do
these. It like ever have people just
show up with like a JanSport backpack and try and do this
thing. Absolutely.
I did my first event with 511 backpack.
And they don't make them not care for that at all.
No, no, no. They say, you know, they say on
the websites like you can you can show up with any kind of
backpack but hey ours are the best so you know try ours and
but no you can come. Yeah JanSport.
I've I think somebody said something one time about how
somebody did one with one of those string backpacks easy.
Like like, like there was a joke because like, yeah, I think it
was a dare someone lost a bet. Had to do that.
That's this is pretty good advertising there for like back.
Fill backpacks, man, like your peoples other bags on, hold up,
you know, everybody's gonna start getting those exactly, and
I mean, I, I've had two times now, I've had to send my, my
rocks back to go, rocks, cars, get repaired.
I had a bullet Rook where the, the plate I carry crushed the
button. I used to hold my hydration
bladder so I sent it back and And they had it with back to me,
within like, five days. Super impressed.
That didn't cost me anything. It's my second rock.
It was the one that I'd used probably for the majority of my
events. It's been dunked in, in chlorine
saturated fountains, it's been dragged through the mud.
It's it's survived everything. And finally, the zipper on the
pocket broke. And that's, that's like the
worst thing because the zippers take, like, three hours for them
to sustain. When to place so they assess the
Rock and they said you know the we can repair the zipper but
then there's a bunch of other damage here.
So hey here's what we're going to do you.
We can either repair it and it might hold up but it's not to
our standard or you know, will prorate it and will give you so
much off a new rock and it just so happened the same day.
They released a new color. So I'm like, all right I'll take
the new rock. Very cool.
That's awesome. Man to get me a run.
Exact to and just just get all kinds of ready to go rucking.
Right. Right.
And I mean it's easy, anybody can do it and the best part is
you just get a couple of friends.
You don't have to, you don't have to be running, you don't
have to be carrying heavy stuff, you just go off a walk and the
park or in your city or in your neighborhood and, you know, and
just be outside. You know, that's that's the
biggest thing. Nowadays nobody is out.
Side. You are inside looking at their
big screen TVs or they're on their tablet and you know, just
walk around. Enjoy the world is going to do
wonders for your your stress as well.
Oh yeah and then I mean you can do you can do fun stuff when you
get enough weirdos together. Like you can just fill a cooler
and and carry that around as a waiter or something, to that
extent extent. I just saw One of the ideas they
gave out for the rock clubs that goruck kind of supports.
Was you can fill up a cooler with with, you know, beer.
Not that as a keto person. I don't drink beer anymore but
that was one of the ideas. I'm like, man, if I still
drinking, I'd probably do that. But yeah, just just get outside.
Be with people and just enjoy moving around.
Yeah, just there's a lot to be said for that man, I did that.
That's definitely does not need to go understated.
I mean, you have to be in a gym. You have to be do anything out
of fancy training or protocol. Just get out there and burn some
calories moving around and enjoying good.
Good company. Yeah, I mean, people who've done
CrossFit, you know, they know how to do a kettlebell swing.
They know how to do a deadlift, well, guess what?
A rock is just a kettlebell that is a little bit softer and a
little more Awkward to swing. Oh, you do rocks Wings, you can
do overhead presses, you can. You can do push-ups with the
rock on, you can take the rock off, you can do.
Sit-ups, your imagination is your limit.
And so start thinking outside the box and move to Champion.
Absolutely very cool. Very cool.
What can people go to find out more about you, man, and your
next race. And next event, rather and get
involved. Well, I'm not a big guy in the
Twitter's, or the Ram. I don't know if I'm getting old
or what. I don't understand.
Instagram. Twitter just seems like Facebook
without the, without, as much ability to write anything.
So, I stay away from Instagram and Twitter, I'm a little choosy
when it comes to friend request on Facebook.
So, I mean, but I run the Toledo rwb rocking Club.
So, if you're, you know, in the Toledo area and Toledo Ohio area
or Southeast, Michigan Northwest Ohio, And you're looking to get
out and do some rocking. You can sign on with team rwb.
We're great volunteer organization that just want to
help veterans enrich their lives, through social and
physical activities. I'm also involved with F3
Toledo. You can go to F3 Toledo.com.
Look up, you know, when we're going to have one of our
workouts and come out and get some miles on to the rucked
together. Other than that, I did do to
podcasts for all day Rock off, which is kind of the, the, the
voice of the rocking Community is very.
So if you want to hear more stories about some events I've
done, I told them about the Traverse City event, which was
called Beach beta. So there's an episode on that
and then there's an episode on the Lake Erie Put-in-Bay tough,
which was a custom event. We did near Put-in-Bay, which is
kind of like a, it's an island in Lake Erie.
The basically is nothing but bars bars, you know.
So it's like they call it the Key West of the Great Lakes, but
we were commemorating the Battle of Lake Erie in 1812 during
during the War of 1812. Well, I should say.
So those are very unique event and I go into much detail about
that, but it was it was a fun event, really fun.
Very cool. Me, and what's the name of that
podcast like that all day Rock off?
Okay, cool. I'll link out those two.
So, it makes it easy for people to find.
Yeah, I'll have to, I'll send you a link for F3 Toledo and
then the the rocking page for rwb Very cool.
Very cool. Sweet man.
Corey it's it's been a pleasure to let you get my interest
piqued. For sure.
I'm going to dive into the goruck events now and see if I
can find that one of my near near near me and just jump into
it. Full Tilt heck.
Yeah. Well, do one together and then
we can have a whole podcast about what we went through.
Hey man, I'm about that that I like I like forcing hardship
upon myself. A gives me greater perspective.
Well yeah and then you got to you got to Loop a couple of Then
do it just so that they can they can constantly Razz.
You about that. I remember that time.
Robert sign me up for that crazy thing that we did.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Just have the make stories man, making stories.
That's that's the thing is, you know, my job nowadays is I'm a
whole health physical therapist assistant.
So I drive around people's houses and I do Rehab on them.
And, you know, sometimes it's just hard to carry a
conversation for some with somebody who's been, you know,
stuck in their house and they're inside their Head kind of gray
Manning and so, you know, when I tell them about my Adventures
That kind of perk up a little bit and, you know, yeah, they're
they're in awe me and I appreciate that.
They, that they can kind of look to me for inspiration but more
or less. It's just if they get something
new to look forward to a story that I can tell, you know, get
people. What crazy thing did you do this
week, Corey? Oh well, yeah, me and the F3
guys. We were carrying sand 80 and 60
pound sand bags. Around Ottawa Park.
Oh wow. That sounds horrible.
I'd never do that. Well we'll see after we get you
walking. Yeah exactly man.
It's it's something it's just something that be a sight
excited about like there's a lot they go said for that I mean if
you can have something to be excited about have something to
wake up to and look forward to, I mean, you you just Limitless,
haven't have a story to tell, you know, you, it's Everybody's
got a story to tell and it shouldn't shouldn't be just
getting in your car driving to work working all day coming home
and sit in front of your TV, you know, get out there and have,
you know, do something, as my brother would say, get out
there. Do something.
Have a story to tell and add to The Narrative of your life?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, man.
I got, I don't like when you were a little kid.
You like, you like your birthday, or something?
You'd wake up and just be like, giddy all day long.
Like you have like just this excitement just showers over you
and you just can't contain yourself and like you lose that.
You know, you get older, you have responsibilities and like
you just get in this humdrum Life Style and it's crazy.
Like I'll take a pulse of myself every morning I wake up and ask
myself, you know, like all wake up tired sometimes then I'll
think about what I was got. Well, I've got going on that day
and if there's something I could find excitement in that I'm
ready to Humble, you know. Well, you know it's for me it's
you know, I have one of those bad days at work.
Everybody's canceling on me or I'm running late because I had
to send somebody to the hospital or I'm stuck in traffic,
whatever it is and I'm just having a rough day, but then I
remember, you know, you've had you've been through worse, you
you'll make it through, you'll be fine.
Absolutely absolutely ma'am. Well cool.
Decoy it's a will definitely be in touch.
Keep in touch, man because I'm gonna Like said I'm going to
look and see where these are and when they are and we'll see if
we can link up and do one together, heck, yeah, can't wait
to Chairman. I'll bring I'll bring bricks for
all everybody. Sweet.
All right brother will appreciate your time, man.
It's been a pleasure all. Thank you Robert.
See you buddy?