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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes keto zappos.com. 

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And today I've got special, 
guest, client and friend. 

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Michael Dennehy on the line, we 
talked on the podcast last year,

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after we had gone through a 
prep. 

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He'd gone through a prep with me
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together in Colorado, and he 
actually just got finished doing

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his elk hunt this year. 
I was not able to go do to rise 

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was birth and just simply having
a lot of stuff here at the home 

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place but he just got back from 
that out, cut not too long ago 

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so I wanted to pick his brain. 
Rain and figure out how the Hunt

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went to whether or not, he was 
successful. 

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What he'd learned from a 
nutritional standpoint based off

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of the manipulations that we 
made in getting him, dialed in 

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for the hunt and honestly, just 
some of the training techniques 

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that he implemented to prepare 
for the hunt. 

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And we talked quite a bit about 
hunting ballistics kind of down 

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the rabbit hole ballistic but I 
really enjoy that stuff so 

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hopefully you find interested in
as well but I just got a lot of 

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respect for Michael. 
He's a first-class fellow and I 

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truly enjoyed the conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will.

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Something from it. 
So that for their do sit back 

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relax and do the podcast with my
good friend Michael Dennehy. 

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We are live. 
Michael Dennehy, how are you 

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sir? 
I'm doing well, how are you? 

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Robert and man, I'm good. 
It's a always, a pleasure 

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chatting with you man. 
We have worked together for 

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quite some time. 
Then we went on a hunting trip 

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together to last year and then I
was not able to go on this 

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Colorado. 
Elk hunt with you this year due 

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to having a newborn, but I'll 
come there immediately 

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understandable. 
But man, I missed it, man. 

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I knew that you were at their 
hunting over, kind of get your 

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nutrition dialed in for the hunt
specifically. 

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And just knowing that you're out
there freaking humping and 

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putting two miles in, you know, 
carrying that pack carrying the 

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rifle, high, elevations, cold 
weather, like, I longed to be 

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there. 
Well, we missed you, for sure. 

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I tried to do you proud by 
getting as many miles in as 

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possible, but we completely 
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and it always should. 
So we've always got next year. 

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Hey, Kim and did you track your 
miles? 

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I did not track them 
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what, according to the map. 
I didn't have an app per say, 

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I'm kind of a little bit more of
an old-school type person, but I

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can go linear distance on a map 
and we covered between 52 and 55

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miles over a five-day hunt. 
Nice, a pretty much on par. 

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I don't know what we covered 
last year. 

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I want to say it was like I 
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with my you know daily runs and 
everything to so probably about 

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the same from a hunting 
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Yeah, it was about the same. 
In fact, we hunted a lot in the 

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same area and so we went to the 
top of the ELCA Dome just like 

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you and I did last year and 
glassed out from there. 

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But I'd say on average, I was 
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11 miles a day. 
We were really getting out there

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as you know we're at Trailhead 
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moving out for a couple hours 
from there and I think that had 

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a lot to do with this success. 
But we'll get into that. 

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A hundred percent, man. 
So we have had a podcast like 

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our last podcast was I don't 
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date, but I'm pretty sure we 
published that right after our 

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soon. 
After the hunt that we did last 

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year which was in tandem with 
pretty much the depth of your 

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cut in which you lost. 
How much weight did you lose 

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overall with last year's cut? 
18:22. 

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I'm doing I'm doing math and 54 
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Yeah, so quite quite a bit and 
then this year, we started you 

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started at 230 pounds, 31 to 31.
And then right before the elk 

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hunt, let's see here. 
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It looks like and then you've 
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And now you're coming in and 
like 20 1.6. 

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As of Of today tomorrow and for 
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so, oh, go ahead. 
Yeah, I was going to say I went 

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in at roughly about the same 
poundage both times. 

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Yeah. 
Do you feel like you know 200 

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205 pounds right around that 
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hunting wait for you because a 
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think we talked about this last 
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that are hearing is talking 
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They may have an idea of you 
know sit in a deer stand, sit in

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the truck roadside waiting for 
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dog something like that. 
And that is not what we do and 

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we're out hunting out west for 
Elk. 

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No, not at all. 
And and I'll add, you know, you 

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and I have had that 
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I'm a little bit more advanced 
in age having recently, hit my 

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50th birthday and you know, the 
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I can compete candidly. 
I can compete against age group 

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and I appreciate, even when you 
saw me first hand, I'm not many 

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of your clients can see in 
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You and I were working out 
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ER, and you paid me the ultimate
compliment. 

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When you said, hey man, I really
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stage. 
I think you can be really 

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competitive but hunting is 
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passion and you and I had that 
conversation a couple months ago

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where you said, hey after this 
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You know, where do you want to 
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Because six months ago, I said, 
hey, this is this is my 

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quote-unquote being onstage. 
Time is the hunt and I wanted to

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be, we called it. 
We called that shot before. 

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Pitch was thrown. 
Why wanted to be 200? 

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2205 to answer your question. 
Yes, I think that that is a 

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perfect. 
I think that's a perfect weight 

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because there is a strength 
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also an endurance aspect 
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The reason why I went on about 
the, this being my quote unquote

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sport is, it is very much an 
athletic event, Western spot. 

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In stock elk hunting at 10,000 
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Anywhere from, you know, 7502 
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It is a huge athletic event 
their strength, there's muscular

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strength endurance, and there's 
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different forms of of 
conditioning and what I mean by 

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muscles muscular strength and 
endurance is not the vo2max, not

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the climbing up a 45 degree 
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feet, not talking about that 
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I'm talking about. 
Can your legs really handle 

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climbing, 200-300, sometimes 
four hundred floors worth of 

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elevation in one day. 
That's what I mean by muscular 

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strength endurance. 
Not what you can squat, not how 

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fast you can run, 100 meters. 
But how long can you sustain 

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that? 
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Now, you're putting in five, 
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have to get up and you're sleep 
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And I'm going on a little bit 
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is, this really is my passion 
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This was the time for me to be 
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already planning next year. 
For example, this is what I do. 

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Every single year 200 to 205 is 
a perfect weight for me to go 

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into this because I can carry my
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I can carry my 35 pounds worth 
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Man, I still have the body mass 
to really you know put the miles

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on my body and not break down. 
I'm not Tulane. 

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I'd say I went in probably 
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13%. 
Twelve, thirteen percent body 

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fat, which I think is as 
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and it worked for me man. 
Yeah, I think that's an 

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important. 
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the I feel like a lot of like it
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know hiking at that elevation at
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bodybuilding stage ready. 
Because at that point, you're 

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sacrificing performance and 
endurance and Recovery because 

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you were so depleted at the same
token it does you no good to be 

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significantly higher than that 
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suffer from a cardiovascular 
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So, I think that nice little 
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between 8 and 13 percent body 
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there in that sweet spot. 
Got 220 205 pounds for you, you 

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know, your leaner, you have the 
conditioning, but you're not 

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depleted, and it may see it in 
starving to the point where 

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you're just, not able to put in 
the work. 

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Right. 
In a little bit of context, I'm 

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six foot four or so. 
You know, I'm not five foot two 

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and 205 pounds and six foot 
four, so, I'm not quite 

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triathlete, you know, 
world-class triathlete thin, you

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know, those guys are, you know, 
64 180 pounds. 

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I'm a little bit heavier than 
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around that pack on that gun 
without a problem. 

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Yeah. 
And I feel I feel bad because I 

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feel like I at least have not 
been put to the true test and I 

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think you haven't years prior, 
but not not last. 

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When we hunted together of doing
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successful with the elk and 
having to backpack the elk out. 

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Yeah. 
It you know the way we hunt the 

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way you and I hunt in particular
you're so far back. 

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Yeah. 
You know, you hit the trail head

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up for, it was funny, I'll just 
share this quick little 

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anecdote, we come down and we 
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the mountain and we'd get out. 
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seeing this, that, and the other
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And it's funny to see all of 
these, the pumpkin patch, you 

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know, the guys, with the blaze 
orange, sweatshirts in the big 

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bellies and well, Haven't seen 
anything, I saw 125. 

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Yeah. 
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well, where are they? 
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the trail. 
I'll tell you that. 

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And, you know, you're putting in
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distance to our hike out, and 
that's just to set up on a 

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mountain and look for them 
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The sun comes out a true 
athletic event and then you 

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might have to hike another hour 
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there might be a shot. 
Well, then you have to stop. 

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And think, if I shoot this 
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of work just to get a quartered.
And then I have to walk out here

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another four hours the next day 
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So, that's actually 
consideration. 

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Yeah, and I feel like mean you, 
there's just so many variables 

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at play. 
Like, when you're out there 

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hunting, and then you've got to 
like you, you're glassing and 

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that mean glassing in and of 
itself is an extreme exercise 

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and discipline. 
Because if you're looking 

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through the lens for hours on 
end, For and you know trying to 

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pick out like an animal, you 
trying to pick out an antler, or

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a hoof for a hind quickly, 
trying to pick apart, just what 

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you can see and then you find 
that and sometimes it's you know

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a mile away and you got to hook 
it to that point and it's cold 

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outside but you get layers of 
gear on you get your backpack, 

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you get your gun, so your high, 
tell it to get to a vantage 

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point that's closer to the 
animal and you're out of breath.

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You're climbing elevation at a 
rapid rate, and you've got to be

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able to put a shot on there and 
maintain proper breathing to 

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place that, you know, well, A 
shot. 

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You just I mean it's very much. 
So an athletic event. 

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Like for people that are 
accustomed to sitting in a deer 

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stand on a truck. 
This is not that like you have 

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to legitimately be in great 
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If you plan on putting yourself 
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against an animal, that is 
subjected to these elements 

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every single day, day in day out
without fail, they have survived

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and they're continuing to 
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That harsh environment, you got 
to, you got to play in their 

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sandbox. 
Absolutely, I think it was 

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listening to Joe Rogan who 
himself. 

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He's a big al Connor. 
He said these animals Thrive and

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conditions that would leave you.
And I are, I dead in a 24-hour 

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period. 
We we would die and in their 

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conditions, and they're out 
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I touched on it earlier. 
I asked Summit that this year I 

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saw 125 elk. 
So, in terms of that I consider 

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Very successful, elk hunt. 
The average guy down at base 

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camp was saying, he was seeing 
goose egg, nothing and or 

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something way off on a distant 
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couldn't possibly get a shot on,
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all has to do with just what you
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My Approach and what you helped 
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if it is a purely athletic 
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Read end of story. 
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athletic event. 
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physically compete with an 
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be higher particularly for the 
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I mean it's just a true 
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You're out there doing. 
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I treat it as a full-blown 
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have a training plan that I've 
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I really like what you've done 
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and I've tailored it a little 
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strength, endurance and cardio, 
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the training techniques. 
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that got me to a point where or 
no kidding. 

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These guys are looking at me and
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back in one day? 
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of those if you'd like. 
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us. 
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particular, will get to the diet
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Kito, I think I'll just say 
Quito is an ideal diet. 

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It's an ideal eating system for 
hunting you, and I've covered it

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and past podcasts. 
I'll just say that it is hands 

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down. 
It is the way to go to be fat 

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adapted out in the mountains. 
I was never at loss for any 

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energy whatsoever. 
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All right, as far as the 
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appreciate your new training 
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clients on, which is the full 
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I like the fact that my, in 
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that my lower body, muscular 
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In other words, how many squats 
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That's exploded. 
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pull-ups which have always been 
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for me again, six foot for the 
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time in my life, Rob, I did 15 
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nice. 
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that's kind of a big deal also. 
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think that, that approach you 
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you can tailor to do powerful 
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hypertrophic. 
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different body parts at one 
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last six weeks, more towards a 
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And I think that paid off in the
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didn't skip power but I didn't 
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specifically for the mountains. 
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on the StairMaster. 
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Square One. 
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particular that is an event 
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Excuse me, a yes, an event 
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after a few years in a row of 
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have it dialed in. 
Into what it's not just getting 

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on the StairMaster and doing 20 
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There are certain ways and 
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think really paid off. 
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it into, you know, periods of 
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So the first one through ten 
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The second one through ten days,
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I'll just start with the 
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The ultimate goal is to get to a
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And that's the key. 
You don't put any hands you 

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chuckle. 
I'm telling you, it is a now. 

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It's a different exercise with 
no hands. 

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It's a totally different 
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Doing it. 
Do not bite off more than you 

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can chew because everybody 
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they're, they're, they're Timmy 
tough guns. 

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And they're just going to, you 
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You're not, you're going to 
start off. 

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You need to train up to that 
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No hands at a level of six or 

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more. 
You think it's easy. 

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Oh, i'mi'm physique athlete and 
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cool, cool, buddy, try that. 
You're going to fall on your 

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face and everybody in the gym is
going to laugh at you. 

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Yeah. 
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I will have my hands on the The 
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I'll do 20 minutes and I'll go 
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up. 
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to get to level 4. 
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2 at 60 seconds. 
I go from 2 to 3 and at 90 

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seconds, I'll go from Level 3 to
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just conditioning my body. 
It's not much of a challenge at 

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all. 
I'll do that for 10 days. 

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But go up to level 5, you know, 
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I'll do the same thing. 
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6 after that. 
That's when I start doing, no 

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hands. 
All right. 

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So when I get to day 30 and up, 
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hands, and I'll go back down to 
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next 10 days. 
Level 5, the next 10 days. 

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Level 6, Etc. 
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you can do 20 minutes, no hands 
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StairMaster, you're doing pretty
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You probably going to be 
sweating your cardio is going to

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be hitting without the hands. 
Here's what's really getting 

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worked. 
That you're not going to work. 

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Nearly as much with hands, your 
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And you help me out here. 
You're the expert, the, the 

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muscles in the lower back, right
above the waist about halfway up

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your back right there, 
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spine. 
So it's going to be that, that 

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was listeria. 
That what what did you call it? 

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Basically all the, the lat, the 
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I lost your whole back. 
Honest, let me just simply 

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training bending over, not 
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Erect. 
Like your whole back, your 

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lumbar, you know? 
Like from a talking about terms,

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like your whole back strap 
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Yeah, the backstrap. 
Yeah, your lungs out back strap.

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Will you go hands off the first 
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And trust me the next day. 
You're going to feel in your 

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back strap, it hits your body 
particularly that posterior 

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chain in such a different way, 
but that is exactly the manner 

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in which you're climbing up the 
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You're not using your hands. 
You might as well throw your ear

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shooting sticks away or at least
have them packed up. 

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You're not going to use them as 
walking-sticks because you're 

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going to have both your hands 
around your weapon as you 

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should. 
You should have control of your 

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weapon at all times. 
You're not, you don't have free 

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hands out there. 
You're walking. 

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Pretty much erect pretty much 
up, right? 

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You're going up and down 
mountains, like that. 

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Once you get to a point where 
you can do 30 minutes on the 

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StairMaster, No hands at a level
of 6 or higher. 

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I'd say you're you're doing 
pretty doggone good and I 

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wouldn't think you'd have any 
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mountains. 
I totally agree when I'm doing a

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prep that the StairMaster pretty
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and I'll often times go up to 20
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but I always do that level with 
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different ball game without 
hanging. 

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I don't think I could do that. 
That without hands. 

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Like I would literally be 
sprinting at that point, and I'd

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be busting my face. 
But yeah, doing it without 

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hands. 
I mean there's just a lot more 

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involved from a from an agility 
standpoint from like in honestly

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doing so with good form. 
Like if you don't want to be 

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flat footing the StairMaster you
want to be kind of kicking off 

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with your with your calves, you 
know, stepping off with your 

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toes, the ball of your feet like
you want to have agility as 

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you're going through that and 
having strict form of control. 

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I mean honestly the StairMaster 
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equipment. 
But you are definitely getting a

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lot of deep muscle tissue 
activation in your legs, your 

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glutes, your quads, your 
hamstrings, your calves. 

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If you're doing it properly. 
No. 

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Absolutely and there's a strong 
strong cautionary Tale in there 

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for your listeners. 
Do not use the StairMaster 

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without hands. 
If you're going purely for that 

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that Max VO2 Fitness cardio. 
It, it should not be taken 

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lightly that with hands off 
this. 

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This should be a controlled 
Tempo. 

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The whole point of the hands-off
is that posterior chain training

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and conditioning. 
It is not See what your VO2 max 

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is. 
If that's the case, you know, 

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they make they make those 
treadmills and or go outside, 

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but do not try that hands-free 
at level 18, level 18 is pretty 

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damn good. 
I mean, even with Hands-On if 

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I'm hitting 1213, I'm usually 
sweating it out pretty good. 

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Yeah, no, for sure. 
I freaking love it, man. 

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Like, I'm the me getting excited
to do this. 

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Dare magic. 
And I'm not gonna stare master 

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in years, but I will, when I 
start my prep and I'm I'm 

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excited for the the cardio 
confessions, as they say, like 

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just simply be in there at the 
StairMaster Altar and sacrifice 

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and, you know, yeah. 
Well right after this podcast, I

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had to the gym and today is a 
rest day in terms of the weight 

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lifting, but I'm going to do the
Dubai tower on the StairMaster 

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and that's 130 floor. 
So I'm looking forward to that. 

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Actually. 
Nice nice. 

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That'll be good, man. 
Yeah, as far as the, the prep 

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towards Hunting is concerned, we
can start talking about a little

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bit before we hit record. 
But you had mentioned not 

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changing your attrition such 
that you're, you know, feeding 

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into that. 
Can you kind of elaborate on 

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that a little bit? 
Yeah, you know, I I went in and 

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I did an intuitive feeding, and 
I was like, Hey, for the week. 

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I've got so much of my time 
that's already been taken, and 

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I'm putting in extreme exertion 
out in the mountains. 

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It'll be okay if I do intuitive.
Eating. 

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Well, I didn't need to do that 
one. 

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I was already fat adapted, my 
ketones were really starting to 

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go through the roof. 
And I think I set myself back on

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my longer-term, goals by doing 
intuitive feeding. 

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If I had it all to do over again
and, you know, I even brought a 

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scale with me. 
And I saw it at the time and I 

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thought, oh, this is just 
swelling and retention, and it 

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wasn't. 
I was like, I legitimately stop 

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losing weight. 
Even though I was putting in 10 

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miles a day out at Between eight
and ten thousand feet when 

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you're on this protocol, this 
Kyoto Protocol with you follow 

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the instructions. 
No, pretty much no level of 

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physical exertion is going to 
Trump. 

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The macros that that you're on 
at the time. 

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Myself included and I stalled 
myself out. 

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And you know when you lose a 
week towards your progress, 

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towards your fat loss, I mean 
it's going to take you another 

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week to get back to where you 
were so you just lost Just two 

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weeks. 
And I regret having done that, 

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you know, I went to the Walmart.
You remember the Walmart right 

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across the street, I want to the
Walmart across the street. 

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I picked up chuck roast which, 
you know, it's that perfect. 

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Combination of I can control the
fat with a chuck roast and it's 

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affordable and I didn't worry. 
And next thing, you know, I'm 

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looking at the scale to three 
days in. 

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I'm like, what happened? 
How got? 

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But I've got all this exertion 
that I'm going through, I should

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be losing weight. 
And at the end of the day, what 

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it was. 
Was is I was overeating, I 

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didn't gain weight. 
I mean, that that's damn-near 

445
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,200
impossible when you're at that 
level of physical exertion. 

446
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,100
But I did not have to compensate
necessarily for the amount of 

447
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,200
physical activity. 
I was putting in. 

448
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,200
I think I may have really messed
up the Kentucky windage on that 

449
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,800
one because I go to I go to the 
gym. 

450
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800
Every single day. 
I do cardio every single day. 

451
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,500
And while I was still doing that
out in the mountains, I think I 

452
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,000
overcompensated. 
So I would say to your clients 

453
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:26,200
who are listening, don't don't 
try to overcompensate by doing 

454
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,600
an intuitive free feeding. 
I set myself back and I regret 

455
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,800
having done that. 
Yes, really easy to do man. 

456
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,700
I mean this this is why so many 
pregnant women put on a ton of 

457
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:41,100
weight during pregnancy because 
they it's easy to fall into this

458
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,200
this modality of thinking of hey
I'm eating for two. 

459
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,600
To now, so I can like get away 
with a lot more. 

460
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,000
But when you start to actually 
break down what your body is 

461
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,400
expending, you know, calorically
from exercise, you know, like 

462
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,100
you've got 300 calories, you 
burn maybe through a cardio 

463
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,300
session maybe you burn. 500 600 
calories throughout the course 

464
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,200
of a day via weight training 
session. 

465
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:05,800
It's pretty freaking easy to put
down 300 to 600 calories in the 

466
00:27:05,808 --> 00:27:08,400
handful of nuts are a couple 
spoonfuls of peanut butter. 

467
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Are a few more ounces of steak 
if you're not paying attention. 

468
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:13,400
Right. 
And not to mention, I mean I 

469
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,300
think you have my sheet open in 
front of me. 

470
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,800
I was well over 2,000 calories. 
Yeah. 

471
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Under under, no circumstances in
human history. 

472
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800
Would anybody have considered me
to be starving at that time? 

473
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,800
Right. 
And so that was an 

474
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200
overcompensation and I think 
that was just a moment of 

475
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,100
weakness on my part or just a 
lack of judgment. 

476
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,900
If I had go back and do it all 
over again, I would have 

477
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:37,900
probably have preferred 
long-term to just have a higher 

478
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:42,900
Ketone level and less food. 
And so I regret I didn't need to

479
00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:47,200
do that and I did just ladies 
and gentlemen. 

480
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Trust Robert, he's got to cut, 
he's got you covered, I 

481
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,400
shouldn't have, I shouldn't have
quote-unquote, taking a break 

482
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,400
and done intuitive feeding. 
So Ira do regret having done 

483
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,300
that. 
What was interesting is last 

484
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,000
year when I was with you, man, 
like we came home and it was 

485
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,300
late and maybe it's just because
it was late. 

486
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,400
And I'm not used to eating that 
late, but I wasn't even that 

487
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,500
hungry. 
Like like we would have, we 

488
00:28:08,508 --> 00:28:10,600
would pretty much Duo mad would 
probably like a brick or 

489
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,400
something while we were out 
there. 

490
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,500
In the field. 
But then the vast majority of 

491
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:15,700
the calories was coming from 
that big meal at the end of the 

492
00:28:15,708 --> 00:28:17,100
day. 
But because we were trying to 

493
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000
catch up on sleep, he would just
cook this big meal and then 

494
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,500
pretty much immediately. 
Go to bed, which I don't 

495
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,400
typically do either. 
And I honestly didn't really 

496
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,100
have that much hunger. 
We were you pretty hungry or not

497
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,200
so much. 
No, I wasn't. 

498
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,900
I was not hungry throughout the 
day. 

499
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:38,100
I just wasn't concerned with 
counting the macros. 

500
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,300
I didn't take any carbs. 
I didn't do anything. 

501
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,700
Amnon Kido. 
I mean it was you know me it was

502
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,100
steak eggs and butter every 
night I just wasn't meticulous 

503
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:52,500
with my macros plus macro 
counter. 

504
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:58,300
That's all it was just a You 
know, when you're on, when 

505
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,000
you're on keto and your ketones 
are flowing like that, are you I

506
00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,900
don't know about the rest of 
your clients or, or even you, 

507
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:09,900
but I never really get hungry 
until I'm really down on 

508
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:13,200
calories and I wasn't at that 
time. 

509
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,300
It was just hey, the chuck roast
was one point eight pounds. 

510
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:19,900
So I just, I grilled one point 
eight pounds. 

511
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Yeah. 
And I regret having done that. 

512
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,400
Did you stay at the same? 
Vo Rio. 

513
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,100
Not the same exact unit, but 
yes, the same exact complex, 

514
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,600
which by the way you and I 
brought out free weights and 

515
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400
bands and all sorts of 
accoutrement, you know, there's 

516
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,100
a gym there. 
No. 

517
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,500
There is there is a gem there 
and anybody staying in. 

518
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,600
By the way we you and I hunted 
Pagosa Springs Colorado if you 

519
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,500
do a VRBO you're probably going 
to land in this particular 

520
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,100
complex. 
Yeah there's a there's a YMCA 

521
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,200
that is over rec center. 
That is open to all. 

522
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,700
The renter's. 
Well, we were just going 

523
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:02,700
hardcore thing because we you 
had your Bowflex adjustable 

524
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,800
dumbbells. 
I brought that x 3 bar and band 

525
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,600
set up and we were we were 
probably crazy but I like being 

526
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,100
crazy. 
We would do all this hiking, all

527
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,600
this, all this track and then 
we'd come back, then we'd work 

528
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,100
out in the living room of this 
VRBO over like a very small 

529
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:22,500
amount of space and then we 
would eat and then we would call

530
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,500
it a day. 
But a lot of people I would have

531
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,000
to venture to say that most 
people that are putting in those

532
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,500
kind of Of miles would feel 
totally fine and not working out

533
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,800
when they got back. 
But I'm glad that we did because

534
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,700
when we did like I slept better 
because of it, I mean, 

535
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,700
everything was just better like 
I didn't feel like I was deep 

536
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,100
getting too much for my normal 
routine. 

537
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:45,100
Anyways. 
Well, I would add two things 

538
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,800
one. 
I think that that probably added

539
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:55,100
to the active recovery process. 
So I felt better after a workout

540
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:59,500
and I felt that it helped me 
actually Endure the the week 

541
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:06,200
which can be very grueling 12. 
I remember coming back from that

542
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,400
trip getting into the gym and 
feeling like I had lost nothing 

543
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,600
so you know even with the at 
that time being in a 

544
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,100
quote-unquote cut and even not 
having access to a gym at a 

545
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:25,100
minimum, getting those dumbbells
out and really lifting hard. 

546
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:32,100
And if I recall We were pretty 
much on a like a cross training 

547
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,900
type routine, where we would 
switch back and forth and almost

548
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:37,600
like supersets. 
Yeah. 

549
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,600
And everything, we were super 
efficient with the training but 

550
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,700
I feel like we were, certainly 
not neglecting any body part. 

551
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,300
Like everything was getting 
worked, perhaps. 

552
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,700
So we were super setting heavy 
and then lightening up. 

553
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,200
Lightening up, lightening up and
down to the point that we were 

554
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,200
doing push-ups when I got back 
to fall on proper. 

555
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,700
Jim, I did not. 
I recall specifically I didn't 

556
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:03,900
lose anything. 
Yeah. 

557
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:08,100
Which, for a week in the 
mountains not not working out 

558
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:11,200
quote unquote. 
We were certain at a minimum it 

559
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,100
kept me from falling behind. 
Yeah, 100% 100%. 

560
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Did you speak in a Kentucky? 
Windage windage that you 

561
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,000
mentioned. 
I had your new scope set up, do 

562
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600
and your binoculars that have 
the vortex binoculars at have, 

563
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,100
the rangefinder built in. 
There were wonderful. 

564
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:34,400
Unfortunately I had three shots 
presented tip for everybody. 

565
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Who's heading out west, you 
better damn be prepared for a 

566
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,500
shot that you don't even think 
right now is possible. 

567
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,600
If you are Eastern Whitetail, 
Hunter sitting in a tree stand, 

568
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,100
there's no way in hell, right? 
I'm was a w Eastern Whitetail 

569
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:55,700
Hunter from a tree stand. 
I took a shot at 647 yards will 

570
00:32:55,700 --> 00:33:00,300
get to that shot six hundred and
forty, six hundred and forty 

571
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,800
seven yards. 
That's a shot man. 

572
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:09,100
You know even even with my 
Vortex scope set up, you know 

573
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:14,400
full power at Power 24 that elk 
still looked pretty small in the

574
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,500
crosshairs. 
So that's the first the first 

575
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,500
thing your specific question was
how did my set up go? 

576
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000
I have on the big fan of Vortex 
as a brand and I have a new set 

577
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:33,000
of binoculars called The Vortex 
Fury 5000 it Has a built-in 

578
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,100
range finder and long story 
short, you can program into that

579
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,200
range finder through the app. 
This is my bullet. 

580
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,500
This is my load here are my 
ballistics and you press a 

581
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,100
button. 
And it will say, according to 

582
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,300
our computer, you should be this
higher this low. 

583
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:55,200
If you take this shot at this 
distance and it gives you what 

584
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,600
in the shooting world, we call 
the quote-unquote, the shooting 

585
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,200
solution. 
So this many MOA up or this many

586
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,500
inches up, Whatever the case 
might be, so it's phenomenal to 

587
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:11,400
be able to walk around and 
basically eliminate a piece of 

588
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,199
gear and that that piece of gear
would have been my Rangefinder. 

589
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,300
So I could just walk around with
this set of binoculars that are 

590
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,699
strapped to my chest and I can 
look over and I can see. 

591
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:25,400
Okay, on that Mountaintop, that 
is, you know, thirty seven 

592
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,300
hundred yards away, that 
actually panned out for me when 

593
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,500
I did get that. 
Seven, yard shot. 

594
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,400
I was on the elk Dome. 
I got up 10,000 feet. 

595
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,100
I looked to my West and thirty 
seven hundred yards away. 

596
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,699
I saw a herd of elk and so 
having that piece of equipment, 

597
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,400
let me know exactly how far away
they were. 

598
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,199
So I knew how much, you know, 
terrain I needed to cover before

599
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,200
they had moved. 
It's just nice. 

600
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,800
It's nice to have that. 
I highly recommend. 

601
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,500
Vortex equipment. 
I highly recommend this 

602
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:10,200
particular piece of equipment. 
The Vortex Theory, 5000 was they

603
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
are expensive. 
Yeah, that is so beneficial, 

604
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,400
because like, my I've got a 
rangefinder Vortex Rangefinder, 

605
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,800
but the resolution is kind of 
one of their entry level models 

606
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,100
and the resolutions. 
So piss-poor that it's hard to 

607
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,600
even pinpoint what it is. 
You're trying to range. 

608
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Whereas, if it's super not 
Killers, the image quality can 

609
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,800
be much, much better. 
Yes, and I'll tell you, you 

610
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,200
know, just that benefit of not 
having to take your eyes off of 

611
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,100
the game when you find them in 
your binoculars and you can 

612
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:45,100
range fine without taking your 
eyes, off to go from a range 

613
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,200
from a set of binoculars to a 
rangefinder. 

614
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,200
And then to a scope, you're 
changing your, your view so many

615
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,200
times and you'll lose these. 
Yeah, they're 750 to 1,000 pound

616
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,500
creatures but they will, you'll 
lose. 

617
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,900
Lose them, you know, moving back
and forth between glass, so I 

618
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,800
really appreciate that new piece
of equipment. 

619
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,300
The fact that it gives you this 
shooting solution where you can 

620
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,300
turn and adjust your scope based
upon what the computer feeds 

621
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,400
back to you. 
That that's pretty phenomenal as

622
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,300
well. 
Yeah. 

623
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:19,600
And you you were hunting with a 
new rifle and scope combination 

624
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,700
to right? 
Yes, I loved it. 

625
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,700
Little bit of Fitness humor that
you do and I think some of your 

626
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:32,500
listeners would appreciate So I 
have a custom gun and again, I'm

627
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:37,200
6 foot 4, so no gun 
over-the-counter, it is going to

628
00:36:37,207 --> 00:36:40,700
fit me. 
So I had this custom stock 

629
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,900
ordered and even on the largest 
custom stock that they have, 

630
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,500
it's a Bell and Carlson, which 
is the top-of-the-line composite

631
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,400
stock. 
We still had to add three and a 

632
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,000
half inches in order to get it 
like fit to me, right? 

633
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,400
And then I put a muzzle brake on
because it's a larger caliburn, 

634
00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:01,300
and I really don't like recoil I
was a soldier for 21 years. 

635
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:05,400
I shot a lot. 
I'm not a fan of getting kicked 

636
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,800
in the shoulder by a mule 10,000
times. 

637
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,700
So we put a muzzle brake on. 
So extended, the stock, we 

638
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:17,300
extended the the barrel through 
the muzzle brake and I also use 

639
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:21,000
a sun shade or sun bail on my 
scope. 

640
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,000
So it makes the scope look 
really huge, right? 

641
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Does it really add that much 
weight to the gun? 

642
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,500
No, not really. 
It's still a heavy. 

643
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,100
Gun. 
It's eight and a half pounds, 

644
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:38,600
but I mean, I work out, right? 
So I'm walking around the 

645
00:37:38,607 --> 00:37:40,700
mountains. 
We run into the pumpkin patch 

646
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,500
and these guys go why, hey man, 
how come you don't get a lighter

647
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:48,500
gun and look, you know. 
I'm from New England, New York. 

648
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,900
I can be a little cynical. 
I can be a little bit of a jerk.

649
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,900
Sometimes I said well why don't 
you just go to the gym instead 

650
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,600
and so so making friends 
everywhere I go right again. 300

651
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
short magnum. 
I love the short Magnums because

652
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
they are they're lighter 
actions. 

653
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,600
The irony there being actually 
lightened up the gun quite a 

654
00:38:08,607 --> 00:38:12,800
bit, I hand load. 
So there was a lot there that I 

655
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:19,500
could play with. 
I'm pushing 2984 feet per second

656
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,800
out of that load with 180 Grand 
180 grain bullet. 

657
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,900
We're getting kind of technical 
right now and I love it. 

658
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,200
It's like this. 
Yeah, this is great stuff I 

659
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,800
have. 
Dialed in to where I am shooting

660
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,200
about half MOA. 
MOA is minute of angle minute of

661
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,400
angle. 
Roughly speaking is one inch at 

662
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,700
100 yards, so theoretically when
I pull a trigger, I'm going to 

663
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:52,300
be within one half of an inch of
where I aimed that did not 

664
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:56,000
happen on my 647 yard shot. 
Yeah. 

665
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,700
Well, do that. 
So, you know, they can cut it, 

666
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,600
came out to you. 
Or west and thirty seven. 

667
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,300
Thirty seven hundred yards or 
feet of distance that you two 

668
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,600
close thirty-seven hundred yards
of distance that we had to 

669
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,200
close. 
So 4:00 in the morning, we start

670
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,000
hiking out. 
I get to the top of elk Dome and

671
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:27,600
I look out to my west southwest 
and I like, wow, what's going on

672
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,900
there? 
There just wasn't enough. 

673
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,400
There was almost Like bushes 
moving I look out this Bald Knob

674
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,300
there about a don't know 
thousand feet higher than me and

675
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:44,300
I look out and just enough light
came out and I arranged it and 

676
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,500
sure enough, you know the 
bleached blondes, you remember, 

677
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:51,800
the bleach balance bull elk have
almost like a bleach blond, a 

678
00:39:51,808 --> 00:39:54,800
parents who are cow elk kind of 
have like a dirty blond 

679
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,400
appearance and I'm like, no 
kidding. 

680
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,500
I actually see some bleach. 
Blonde Zhao Out there I arranged

681
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,200
it was thirty-seven hundred 
yards. 

682
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:08,400
So I look at Sean and I say, hey
man, I see an elk herd and I 

683
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400
think it was it was upwards of 
50 and this one heard. 

684
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,100
Well, that's a problem when you 
stop and think about it because 

685
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,800
now you're trying to beat 100 
nostrils. 100 years and 100 

686
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,700
eyes. 
Yes, there's 50 out. 

687
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:28,100
That's, that's a big issue. 
So, I mean we hightail it man. 

688
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,400
Like we pack everything. 
I won't excuse me. 

689
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,500
Where are and even unpacked? 
I mean we were still we're still

690
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:37,400
packed up our bags were on our 
shoulders, the whole nine yards,

691
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,900
we move out like we're going for
election and we get there. 

692
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:48,100
Thirty-seven hundred yards, we 
probably crossed it now this is 

693
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,600
in the Rockies, we crossed it in
an hour. 

694
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:58,100
I mean we were moving man. 
Once we got down the first 

695
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,200
Mountain because we had to get 
Down, whenever you climb up, you

696
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000
got to get down. 
And as, you know, from being out

697
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
there and on several trips going
down, can actually be harder 

698
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,300
than getting up in terms of 
whether or not you fall, taking 

699
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:17,600
a route Etc, anecdote side side 
note. 

700
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,400
Don't try to go out there with a
pair of Eastern bow, hunting 

701
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600
boots, you will snap your ankles
in half, we are not made for the

702
00:41:25,607 --> 00:41:28,300
mountains. 
You need to get a top call. 

703
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:33,100
I used a nurse, I used an ER, 
8-inch, but get yourself a 

704
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,500
top-quality Paramount boots, 
you'll thank me later. 

705
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,800
So we cross the Mountain Valley,
we get over there. 

706
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:49,200
There's one mountain, just north
of it and we set up and We saw 

707
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,200
three shooter bowls. 
There were some, some 

708
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,000
non-shooter bowls and we saw 
three shooter bowls and I set up

709
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:03,600
and I had trust and confidence 
in my equipment and we waited 

710
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,200
probably about 90 minutes and I 
realized there's probably not 

711
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,700
going to get a, I'm probably not
going to get a better shot than 

712
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:17,200
this. 
I set up, I took the shot, I 

713
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,200
dial. 
I didn't exactly what I what I 

714
00:42:20,207 --> 00:42:22,400
believe the Moa adjustments to 
be. 

715
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:31,200
And I actually completely missed
and I felt this was nobody was 

716
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,200
doing this to me. 
I was doing this to myself. 

717
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,200
I felt over confident. 
I felt also at the same time 

718
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,100
pressured because we were 
starting to approach the end of 

719
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:47,800
the season and this would have 
been the second season in a row 

720
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:50,700
that I didn't get a shot off on 
an elk. 

721
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,200
I had a 331 yard shot and a 425 
yard shot that I did not take 

722
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
earlier in the hunt. 
Those were because they were 

723
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,600
fleeting. 
I just wasn't wasn't 100% 

724
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,600
confident. 
So I took this 647 yard shot and

725
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,700
it was I would be the first one 
to tell you I should not have. 

726
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:19,800
Yeah I just felt pressured at 
the time it was the longest 

727
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,900
shot. 
I've never shot over 500 yards 

728
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:28,900
so it was 147 yards farther than
any shot I've ever practiced at,

729
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,900
I was a call College athlete. 
If we're going to call this an 

730
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:35,500
athletic event, let's go ahead 
and use an athletic analogy. 

731
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,400
That'd be like me, shooting at 
half court. 

732
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,500
Yeah, because I was really good 
at three point shots and and it 

733
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:48,700
was a flat-out, say it was just 
waiting over confidence in 

734
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:53,000
myself and the equipment 647 
yards. 

735
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,400
There was a cross when and it 
was about 8 degrees. 

736
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,600
So a lot of those environmental 
factors were not ideal. 

737
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,300
And I blew it. 
Now, here's the upside. 

738
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:10,100
He was standing in the snow 
field and we scoured that snow 

739
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,100
field and there was not a drop 
of blood. 

740
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,700
In fact, when we got over to 
that mountain and scoured that 

741
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:21,100
snowfield, I'm sure, let me 
interpret what I just said for a

742
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:24,500
lot of folks, there you being a 
fellow Hunter, you know, this, 

743
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,900
if I'm going to miss, please 
don't let me have hit him but 

744
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:30,000
make it a bad hit. 
It? 

745
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Yeah, I don't want a bad hit, I 
want to miss entirely, and I did

746
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,200
miss entirely. 
I know I missed entirely even 

747
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,200
another indicator of that was, 
we crossed the mountain. 

748
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:46,000
And no kidding that entire herd.
They didn't leave country. 

749
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,000
They just went 200 300 yards at 
the gun shop. 

750
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,900
Yeah, they just went 200, 300 
yards south and sure enough, I 

751
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,500
watch that entire herd. 
Just post right up in the dark 

752
00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:59,700
Timber. 
I couldn't find. 

753
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,900
The bowl or any one of those 
three bowls. 

754
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:08,300
But sure enough, they they were 
not spooked off. 

755
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,600
Had I hit one of them. 
There's no question that they 

756
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,800
would have been spooked off to 
kind of give an indication of 

757
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,400
how how much more training I 
would need to take that shot 

758
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,700
again. 
I'm good out to 500 yards and I 

759
00:45:22,707 --> 00:45:28,500
thought ah I have my drop chart 
set as my lock screen by lock 

760
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:30,600
screen. 
I mean on my phone, And you can 

761
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,500
go to, it's called gun data dot 
org slash ballistics and you can

762
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:40,300
type in your specific load. 
So I typed in 300 short magnum. 

763
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,900
This muzzle velocity 2984 180 
grain bullet of this brand. 

764
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:53,700
It's, it's all there and you can
do this on your smartphone and 

765
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:59,300
you just screenshot the graph, 
you set that screenshot as your 

766
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,700
lock screen. 
And so at any point when you're 

767
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,600
out in the mountains and you're 
like, shit man, I don't remember

768
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,900
what my bullet drop is at this 
distance, so you don't have the 

769
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:13,500
fiery binoculars that I Of you 
can just set this as your lock 

770
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:17,500
screen and boom, you're done. 
Yeah, so I'm looking at my lock 

771
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:22,700
screen right now at 500 yards. 
It's a 34 inch bullet drop. 

772
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,900
So, that bullet will drop 34 
inches below where my crosshairs

773
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,600
are. 
If I don't adjust anything at 

774
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,800
650 yards, it goes from 34 
inches to seventy nine point one

775
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,500
inches. 
Wow, that is a massive 

776
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,300
difference in Mass, right work. 
Yeah, that is a massive 

777
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:47,000
difference between 500 yards and
150 yards that's like 5 feet 

778
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,300
difference. 
So I put the money down on. 

779
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,700
I don't have the school named 
off top. 

780
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:56,400
My head. 
I'd have to go through my emails

781
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,400
to find it. 
But there's a, there's a long 

782
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,900
range shooting school that I 
signed up for, in the, in the 

783
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,500
month of February. 
It's a five-day long course. 

784
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,500
I wish I hadn't taken that shot.
I felt pressured. 

785
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:14,100
And and in that moment of 
pressure, I was overconfident 

786
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,600
and I'm just thankful that I 
didn't wounded animal that I'm 

787
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,700
very, very grateful for But 
overall, it was a successful 

788
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:26,100
hunt and I was prepared for it 
up until the moment that I 

789
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,900
pulled the trigger. 
Yeah, well shooting, I mean, if 

790
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:32,400
you hunt long enough like, you 
will make a bad shot, you will 

791
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,700
wounded animal like that. 
Those are just things that come 

792
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:39,300
with the territory of hunting 
but every time you do make a bad

793
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,000
shot, every time you make a shot
that you regret every time you 

794
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,500
you you make a mistake 
especially with the kind of 

795
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,700
person that you are. 
There are people there like you 

796
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,400
know, Quintessential redneck 
Hunters. 

797
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,900
That that don't pay the animal 
to respect their do and that's 

798
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:58,400
just not what hunting should be.
But for people, like, you 

799
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,000
people, like what I'm trying to 
Aspire to be like, when you take

800
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,700
this very, very seriously, you 
treated, with the respect that 

801
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:07,900
it should be treated. 
When you have those moments and 

802
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,400
you do make a bad decision, you 
do make a mistake, you do miss 

803
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,800
the animal. 
Are you wounded animal even 

804
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,200
worse that all kind of 
Aggregates to just your overall 

805
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:20,200
perspective, your perception, 
your your reality went out in 

806
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,900
the field. 
So the next time you're placed 

807
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,400
in the similar situation, you've
got that subconscious speaking 

808
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,500
to you and you just know with 
that higher degree of certainty,

809
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,700
what the right decision is like 
all this compounds over years 

810
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,900
and years and years of 
experience. 

811
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,900
It does. 
And not only that, but you 

812
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:43,000
always have to keep in mind, 
you're only as good as your last

813
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,800
shot, you're only as good as 
your last time on stage, you're 

814
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,300
only as good as your last book, 
if you're an author that doesn't

815
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:56,600
that's experience. 
But you need is, you need to 

816
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,500
stay sharp on these things. 
I used to be a Green Beret. 

817
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,600
I used to shoot long range. 
I've never shot 647. 

818
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:10,400
I've shot out to 500, my 
neighbor just qualified for the 

819
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:14,100
the national long range. 
Sniper competition. 

820
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:18,000
He just qualified this past 
weekend and I asked him what his

821
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,500
range is were. 
And he's like, you know, I had a

822
00:49:20,508 --> 00:49:24,400
couple shots that were 700 yards
but everything was under 500. 

823
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,000
That's a guy who no kidding, 
just qualified for the national 

824
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,200
sniper competition, long-range 
sniper competition and the 

825
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,500
majority of his shots were not 
as long as the shot that I took.

826
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
You know, maybe I should have 
trained up for that a little bit

827
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,400
more. 
I'm not embarrassed by it. 

828
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,400
I'm just I learned a valuable 
lesson. 

829
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
You need to get the training in 
the at-bats, under your belt 

830
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,400
before you do something like 
that live is something living on

831
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,100
the other end of those 
crosshairs. 

832
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,200
And for that, you know, I carry 
that lesson forward. 

833
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,100
Yeah, totally man. 
I'm interested in the, the 

834
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,200
ballistic still, like, I feel 
like, what was it you were 

835
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,500
hunting with last year, 7. 
Mm rent. 270 short magnum 27. 

836
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:12,800
So, I need to weigh my rifle, 
like, you saw in the rifle that 

837
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,500
I use, it's a 300 Winchester 
magnum with a bull barrel and a 

838
00:50:16,508 --> 00:50:18,900
big-ass scope on there. 
I would not be surprised. 

839
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:23,200
If my gun weighs 11 pounds like 
it is obnoxiously heavy and that

840
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,300
sounds like nothing. 
You know when you're like 

841
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,800
typically like you grab the 15 
pound dumbbells to do some 

842
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,100
warm-up on the curls, like 15 
pounds is nothing, so you're 

843
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,600
thinking L, 8 pound, pound pound
Pound gun. 

844
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:35,600
You can get that thing all day 
long. 

845
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:40,000
My gun last year was kicking my 
ass walking, those 60 miles 

846
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,500
hunting with y'all. 
Do the mountains? 

847
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:47,000
And I've not honestly been super
impressed with the consistency 

848
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,900
of my current setup, so I may be
Switching gears, and getting a 

849
00:50:50,908 --> 00:50:55,000
different rifle or scoped, rifle
combination for the next time. 

850
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,700
You're out hunting West. 
What are you doing for Anna? 

851
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,800
Like, what did you get? 
It, are you doing commercial 

852
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,600
off-the-shelf? 
I have been. 

853
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,300
Yeah. 
Now I do want to reload. 

854
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,500
I've got like my dad reloads, he
shoots at 300 Weatherby Magnum 

855
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:16,100
he reloads, and I was using a 
200 grain, Hornady Precision ldx

856
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,000
round, and those are pretty 
pricey. 

857
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,000
They're their ballistic tips, 
they're pretty solid rounds. 

858
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,900
Yeah. 
But they're incredibly hard to 

859
00:51:22,908 --> 00:51:25,800
come by man, like I literally 
had to start special ordering 

860
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,600
rounds for those. 
So Then I found 180 grain 

861
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
Hornady round. 
Also, ballistic tips that I was 

862
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,600
pretty happy with, but the I'm 
not been overly impressed with 

863
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,900
just the consistency of my comp 
my scope and rifle setup. 

864
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:41,700
I mean, I don't know. 
I'm the only one that uses it. 

865
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:45,700
I haven't bumped it and I'll 
have it zeroed and then I'll go 

866
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,600
shoot, you know, a couple weeks 
later and it will not be zeroed.

867
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,500
And that I don't think there's 
anything that's loose on the 

868
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,800
scope with that. 
I mean, I got a pretty nice 

869
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,700
scope so I don't think that 
there's so much. 

870
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,000
Recall from the rifle, that's 
causing the scope to lose lose 0

871
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,800
because that can certainly 
happen with a lower grade scope.

872
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,000
But I think I might just help 
others which gears. 

873
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,400
Sure. 
Okay. 

874
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,500
You can we dive into that a 
little bit and you know if 

875
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,500
you're if you feel it's not 
podcast material, maybe we could

876
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,700
edit some of it out. 
Now here's what I would say 

877
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,800
about anything on the trunk is 
me and we can talk about this. 

878
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:24,700
Okay. 
Yeah. 

879
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,500
So the first I I would I would 
do is I would ask what type of 

880
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,900
scope do you have? 
And you are correct. 

881
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:37,600
There, glass is not glass, is 
not glass. 

882
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,300
If it's a two hundred dollar 
scope, particularly with a 300 

883
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,600
Magnum, you're talking about a 
significant amount of kick. 

884
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,800
If I recall, you did not have a 
muzzle brake, is that correct? 

885
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,400
Now I do have a muzzle brake. 
So I've got that bull barrel. 

886
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:54,900
They have. 
You do have a muzzle brake 

887
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,300
brake. 
There's honestly, I'm not that 

888
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,200
much. 
Felt recoil from my gun. 

889
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,300
Yeah, not with about not with a 
bull barrel and a muzzle brake 

890
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,300
you shouldn't. 
So I would the first thing I 

891
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:10,100
would do is just make take it to
a gunsmith and make sure that it

892
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:15,400
is a professionally mounted. 
Everything is tight and secure. 

893
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,900
If you don't have your own tool 
set, I would make sure that it 

894
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:24,900
was the most consistent. 
Performing scope. 

895
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:29,300
That was the first thing I would
Look into the next thing I would

896
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:35,000
look into would be the ammo. 
A 200 grain bullet is is a 

897
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,100
pretty heavy one might be 
heavier than I think. 

898
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:42,200
You might need for anything. 
You're shooting in Arkansas. 

899
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:46,600
You're never going to achieve 
the minute that the Moa 

900
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,000
consistency with over the 
counter as you would with 

901
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,100
handloading. 
So, I would spend some time with

902
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,300
your father you know, sit down 
with him. 

903
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Eugene up some loads and get 
into the most consistent load. 

904
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,700
You can possibly find. 
That's the way that you're going

905
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,300
to get to the highest level of 
ammo. 

906
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:13,500
Accuracy is by getting down to 
the fraction, the 100th of a 

907
00:54:13,508 --> 00:54:15,500
grain. 
To put that into perspective, 

908
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,900
one, G is 14 grains and when I 
measure out my powder, I'm 

909
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:24,600
measuring out to the hundredth 
of a grain that's how accurate 

910
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,400
your you're going to be. 
You're just eliminating all of 

911
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,500
those and consistencies. 
So, that's something to think 

912
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,300
about is, is giving your hand 
loaded ammo. 

913
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,900
Try before you swap out, do you 
mind telling me what kind of 

914
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:40,100
scope you have? 
Yeah, it's a Leopold. 

915
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:45,900
I think the model is like vx6 
HD, like, it's one of the higher

916
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:50,600
end Scopes that Leopold offered,
it's one of their it's a legit 

917
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,900
scope of the scope. 
Like the old, you know, rule of 

918
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,000
thumb is spend more on the scope
than you do on the rifle. 

919
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,500
And the rifle was not cheap in 
the scope is Than the rifles. 

920
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:01,200
I mean, I can't imagine that the
scope and that's I got a nice. 

921
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,200
I got a bad apple, which is 
possible, but the scope, as it 

922
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,400
sits from a spec standpoint, 
shouldn't be giving me this kind

923
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,500
of an accuracy. 
No, I would think that scope 

924
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:16,700
would be something Leopold, that
model. 

925
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,500
I mean, you're talking about out
a 4 digit plus scope. 

926
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:26,000
I would think that that would 
not be the shoe, may be looking 

927
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,200
to your ammo, do some hand 
loading and see if you can't 

928
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,000
find a consistent wrap grain. 
There are other things we can 

929
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,800
really, really get technical. 
Like the next thing I would ask 

930
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,500
is, well, actually probably 
should have been the first thing

931
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:43,800
I asked, Do you know the twist 
rate on your barrel and for your

932
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,600
listeners? 
This is why that matters The 

933
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,600
Twist rate on your Barrel. 
You have to match that up with 

934
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,100
the grain weight of your bullet,
if that makes sense at all. 

935
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:01,300
Because some of your, some of 
your heavier, grain bullets, 

936
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,000
they'll need to have a faster 
twist rate, like a one in 10 one

937
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,300
and eleven excetera, where some 
of your lighter grain bullets 

938
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:13,900
are going to have a slower trip 
twist And I'm saying that in 

939
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:16,300
public, and I always need to go 
look that one up, it might be 

940
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:19,800
the exact opposite. 
So don't quote me, I know that 

941
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,400
I, instead of memorizing things,
I have them written down and 

942
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,100
I'll go look it up, but your 
twist rate has to be matched 

943
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:31,700
think of a football, right? 
Tom Brady, he throws a football 

944
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,500
and it has a certain twist rate 
and that's what makes it as 

945
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:39,300
accurate as it is, versus a slow
twist rate which would make it a

946
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:40,800
lame duck flying through the 
air. 

947
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:45,400
That's the analogy show-off. 
Are maybe in emails. 

948
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,300
You can tell me what is look up?
Your Barrel is going to be on 

949
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,800
your Barrel somewhere. 
It's going to be 1 / this. 

950
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,600
That's your twist rate in your 
Barrel. 

951
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:58,600
The first thing, we need to 
figure out is what grain bullet 

952
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:03,600
matches up with that twist rate 
and a 200 grain bullet you're 

953
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,500
kind of leaning off towards the 
very heavy side of bullets. 

954
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:14,000
It's not too heavy but most 30 
calibers or 308, diameter bolt. 

955
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,200
Let's which is what yours is a 
300 Magnum. 

956
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,800
That's going to be a 150. 165 
180? 

957
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,900
Is the normal bell? 
Curve. 

958
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
You're pretty heavy at two 
hundred grains. 

959
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,600
Yeah, for sure. 
And honestly I get most of the 

960
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,500
ranges that I shoot in Arkansas.
You know. 

961
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:35,400
I can have a little bit heavier,
bullet more, bullet drop, but 

962
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,300
when it comes to twist, right? 
That's going to factor, I don't 

963
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,000
know what my twist rate is off. 
The top of my head. 

964
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000
I get more. 
You know, foot-pounds of energy.

965
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:44,900
G with that heavier bullet, but 
I probably don't need the 200 

966
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:46,200
grain bullet. 
That certainly don't need it for

967
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,800
anything in Arkansas. 
No, if you're looking at things 

968
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,300
in Arkansas, your top I'm going 
about, you know your opt out 

969
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,700
there it's going to be why the 
300-pound boar. 

970
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Yeah, if you're taking a front 
shoulder shot on a 300-pound 

971
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:08,400
feral pig, 180 grain bullet. 
I took my 300 and 300 pound 

972
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:12,700
Russian boar, 350-pound. 
I guess you would be somewhere 

973
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:15,900
in that neighborhood. 
I took them with 130 grain 270 

974
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,100
short magnum, and it dropped 
them in his tracks. 

975
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,300
Yeah, so let's take a look at 
that off. 

976
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,600
Are just email me, what your 
twist rate is and I'll look it 

977
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,400
up to see what kind of bullet we
can match that up with that. 

978
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,200
That may be. 
That may be something that could

979
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,000
kind of bring your MOA shot 
group tighter together. 

980
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,700
Yeah, do you like the short mag?
I like the short Magnums due to 

981
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:43,700
the fact that they tend to get 
higher feet per second for the 

982
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,000
same amount of powder. 
Yeah. 

983
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:47,600
So you're getting a more 
efficient burn and what that has

984
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,300
to do with, if you look at the 
cross section of a carrot versus

985
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:55,400
the cross section of a console, 
all right, that that's kind of 

986
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
the analogy. 
There are speaking analogies as 

987
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,100
you've already picked up the 
short magnum. 

988
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:06,400
It's it's shorter but it is a 
wider, it's a wider. 

989
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
You know, cross section. 
So what that lends itself to is 

990
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:16,000
it will burn powder fat more 
powder faster, which turns into 

991
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,000
a higher velocity coupled with 
the fact that because it is a 

992
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,300
short action, it shaves. 
Some, some of the action itself,

993
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,400
the action is one of the heavier
parts of your gun. 

994
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,100
So, in a way, it shaves off some
of the ounces and pounds off of 

995
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:37,200
your gun as well. 
So faster burning faster, bullet

996
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,200
And a little bit lighter of a 
gun. 

997
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,500
That's why I like it. 
Yeah, plus the ballistics and 

998
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:47,000
and iron, I can, yeah, I just 
have to add like, my very first 

999
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,500
gun was a 270 short magnum. 
And, you know, I've just been 

1000
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,300
shooting them for years and if 
it's not broken, don't fix it. 

1001
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,700
So I just stuck with them. 
Yeah, I make the little sense, 

1002
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:00,200
man, that makes total sense 
Kimber. 

1003
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:04,100
So I've got a 243 Kimber which 
I've had since I was a kid that 

1004
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:07,200
was like my first really nice 
anything. 

1005
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:09,400
Like that was my first thing 
that I just fell in love with as

1006
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,300
a kid and that, I mean, 
obviously is much lighter of 

1007
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:16,000
around that I would ideally hunt
with, for any type of large 

1008
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000
game. 
But it's at the Kimber brand 

1009
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,300
itself is just always spoken to 
me. 

1010
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:24,400
It's just incredibly accurate. 
I feel very confident with that 

1011
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,600
gun. 
So, I've thought of going the 

1012
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:32,000
route of the Kimber 300 short 
mag and then just having a much 

1013
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,200
lighter gun, first of all, but 
then, just the confidence that 

1014
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,200
comes with that brand gun as 
well. 

1015
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,700
Well. 
You can't go wrong with that. 

1016
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,500
I mean there's there's nothing 
else I can say for that brand. 

1017
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:52,400
It's it's popular for a reason. 
It's expensive for a reason but 

1018
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:55,500
it is one of those. 
You get what you pay for. 

1019
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:02,200
You're gonna get sub L, am a 
action out of a sum of a mo, a 

1020
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,100
performance out of a Kimber. 
The warranties that come with it

1021
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:10,000
and I guaran-damn-tee T, if 
there's a problem with your shot

1022
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,600
group moving forward, it ain't 
the gun not with a Kimber. 

1023
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,000
Yeah, they're just, they're just
top the line. 

1024
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:21,000
I, I couldn't purchase a 
quote-unquote brand, name gun 

1025
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:24,300
because of my particular size, 
we had to build everything from 

1026
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,400
scratch. 
I long as they are there alone, 

1027
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,400
you oh, you would ask. 
What is 26? 

1028
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:39,600
My I met you, I don't know. 
I think mine is a 29 inch barrel

1029
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:46,600
30 inch barrel when I mean, it's
I mean, it's Again, I've had 

1030
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,300
multiple people who would walk 
by me in the mountains, and just

1031
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,400
look at me like, oh my God, look
at that thing. 

1032
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,300
It's light artillery. 
The hands because it has the 

1033
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:59,400
muzzle brake because it had 
because it has the extended 

1034
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:03,400
stock because it has the 
extended scope. 

1035
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,500
I mean, it looks like artillery 
but it's actually not that 

1036
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:08,700
heavy. 
That's cool man. 

1037
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,200
Well I most certainly excited 
about our next hunt together 

1038
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,100
man. 
I hate that I missed this year. 

1039
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:17,400
I've got my Petition prep 
Endeavors next year. 

1040
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:21,400
So we have to kind of play it by
ear and see what because you you

1041
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,800
are typically going to do third 
Rifle, right? 

1042
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,900
I think I'm gonna head out to 
Utah for bow season this coming 

1043
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,300
year. 
Yeah and just do early season. 

1044
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,900
Uh yeah. 
Yeah I'm going to try to line it

1045
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,000
up, you know, I'm kind of taking
a sabbatical year. 

1046
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,600
I resigned from this job that 
I'm in right now. 

1047
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:46,500
You know it's that it's that 
time of life and bought a small 

1048
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,900
farm up in New Hampshire, New 
York and heading. 

1049
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:52,200
Back home to spend some time 
with with Mom and Dad. 

1050
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,100
It's kind of that chapter of 
life where it's important to me,

1051
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,000
too. 
Spend time with family and I'm 

1052
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,600
lining it up between the 
different over-the-counter tag 

1053
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:06,100
states to where I can do a bow 
hunt in one state and and 

1054
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:10,200
without, you know, spending six 
weeks out there, turn around and

1055
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,200
just drive to the next state. 
Get another over-the-counter tag

1056
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,100
and do a rifle hunt. 
So, my intent next year is I, 

1057
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:22,900
will do a bow hunt in Utah. 
Take a little bit of a few day 

1058
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,700
break and then do a rifle hunt 
in I do damn it. 

1059
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:29,000
Next year. 
I am going to get an elk. 

1060
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,900
I've got no doubt man. 
I'm excited for what next year 

1061
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:34,700
holds. 
I hope that the schedules 

1062
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:37,600
workout session. 
I can accompany you and if we go

1063
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,800
to pogos, did you jump in the 
Pagosa Springs? 

1064
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,600
Afterwards? 
I did nice. 

1065
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,200
I did and I made the mistake of 
not taking a shower immediately 

1066
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,200
following and I smelled like 
sulfur for the rest of the day 

1067
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,500
and it's pretty potent smelling 
stuff for sure. 

1068
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:56,700
It is but it definitely is a 
nice little internet to a whole 

1069
01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:00,100
bunch of hike and just jump in 
the Pagosa Springs and I don't 

1070
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,700
know, just letting beep be a 
peace with the whole situation. 

1071
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:09,300
Absolutely, you know, after this
call email me, what your twist 

1072
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,900
rate is and what your 
competition dates are, and all 

1073
01:04:11,908 --> 01:04:14,700
kind of look at some of the 
over-the-counter options, you 

1074
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:18,500
know, maybe you can join me and 
we'll head out to the mountains 

1075
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,900
either before or after your 
competition, that sounds like a 

1076
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,100
plan to me, man. 
Michael is always a pleasure. 

1077
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,200
I thoroughly enjoy working with 
you over the the time that we 

1078
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,900
have. 
I'm excited for what the future 

1079
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:29,500
holds. 
I'm excited to go hunting with 

1080
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:31,600
you. 
I feel like when you hunt with 

1081
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,700
somebody, when you stay with 
somebody, when you do hard, 

1082
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:36,700
Things with somebody just earn 
you just have a deeper 

1083
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:39,700
understanding of what that 
person is like and hate that we 

1084
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:42,200
couldn't hunt this year but 
having hunted with you last year

1085
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,500
I can I can say nothing but good
things about you, man. 

1086
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:46,800
Your work ethic could drive your
intensity discipline, 

1087
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,700
dedication, all that stuff, your
top flight and I am proud to 

1088
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:52,100
know you and proud to call you. 
My friend, man. 

1089
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,800
I am proud to call you my friend
and not to belabor the 

1090
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,200
conversation, but I'm just going
to elaborate on what you just 

1091
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,200
said. 
Adversity, will bring that 

1092
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,500
person out and when you see 
people under adverse conditions,

1093
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:10,900
cold wet, tired and hungry, 
that's, that's if you have a bad

1094
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,200
side. 
If you're an unethical, dude, 

1095
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:17,500
it'll show up at that time, the 
fact that you and I shared 

1096
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,400
adversity, and we walked away 
from it, both respecting each 

1097
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,400
other, even a little bit more. 
I think that says a lot about 

1098
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,400
the both of us. 
No, thank you for that kind of 

1099
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,800
percent ma'am. 
So, Mike where can people go to 

1100
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,400
find out more about you? 
Well, I'd prefer they go and 

1101
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,800
find out about where I still 
currently work. 

1102
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,400
Right now, I'm the director of 
communications at the National 

1103
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,100
Infantry Museum. 
So if they go to National and 

1104
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:45,900
for tree Museum dot-org, they 
can see what I do and that is 

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finding out a little bit more 
about me. 

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So as the Director of 
communications I deal with all 

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the interviews, I deal with all 
of the social media. 

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Media Etc. 
They can follow us on Instagram,

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LinkedIn and Facebook at 
National Infantry Museum. 

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It's a wonderful place. 
Our our mission is to honor the 

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sacrifice and Legacy of the 
American Soldier. 

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We are the only place in the 
world that has all seven 

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thousand and fifty eight names 
lost in service since 9/11 in 

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the same place on one Memorial. 
So we can we consider it an 

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honor and a privilege to go 
ahead and honor their names. 

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And we want everybody to come 
down to Fort Benning, Georgia, 

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Columbus, Georgia, go to 
National Infantry Museum 

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dot-org. 
Look us up and come on down. 

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Awesome man. 
Well I will certainly linked at 

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that as a cause very worth 
celebrating and bringing 

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attention to so I can't thank 
you enough for your service. 

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Can't thank you enough for 
continuing to add service in 

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that way. 
And that way and I can't thank 

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you enough for the friendship. 
We have man. 

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I appreciate you in more ways 
than you realize and I look 

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forward to our next hunting and 
a man. 

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Next fall, buddy. 
Next fall. 

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Take care brother. 
Alright, see ya. 

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01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,500
Next fall, buddy. 
Next fall. 

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Take care brother. 
Alright, see ya.