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It's like a several year 
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What did you do to kind of 
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I've always just really wanted 
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natural. 
With our nutrition. 

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We go back to what's always been
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land that we know that that's 
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Thousands of years ago, people 
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Right now, metabolically and 
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There's a big push right now on 
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You can have a sugar diet. 
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have ever heard. 
That is ridiculous. 

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And we are live. 
Robin, how you doing today? 

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I'm doing great. 
How are you doing? 

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I'm good, I'm good. 
This is your 3rd, maybe fourth 

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time on my podcast, I think 
something like that. 

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I think it's the third. 
It's the third, yeah. 

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Quite a few M quite a few M So 
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behind the what was keto con now
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talk about that for sure. 
But you've also got some pretty 

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cool personal things going on in
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Now you are going back to the 
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So so let's just peel the 
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Let's talk about let's talk 
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Behind the scenes. 
I feel like people know you as 

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the conference person, but I 
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you know, down and dirty 
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I have done a really good job of
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just a very private person and I
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my mission out and it would help
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company grow. 
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comfortable making it about me. 
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that message would be so that I 
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that. 
I want it to be about everybody 

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else. 
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been really fun for me because I
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talk about what's going on in my
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control what people know about 
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But it's going to be kind of 
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you're a friend. 
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share where I probably wouldn't 
on another podcast. 

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Well, and I like that. 
I like that we're friends. 

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We've known each other for so 
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And you're right, it's it's very
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public figure persona, a bad 
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the line between business, 
professional and personal. 

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we're putting stuff out there 
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ruthless and they don't assume 
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that keyboard, whereas there is,
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intentions? 
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faith in that. 
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egotistical standpoint, then 
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a positive standpoint and people
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try and throw shade, it's like, 
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hearts what you're trying to 
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you know? 
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I agree. 

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It's just a tough line to walk. 
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been up to a lot. 
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Met Sam? 
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involved in the event. 
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probably only briefly. 
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to as many people as I could. 
Ryan, I obviously know very 

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so, and I mean, I've been for 
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that I've had before when it was
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where nutrition and biohacking 
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and how and how they fit. 
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Some things don't fit. 
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that and I shared with you a 
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I'm embarrassed to say and 
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it was going to be. 
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and so I've had to kind of dial 
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over and my body is responding. 
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at this point is different. 
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Menopause. 
That'll do it. 

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Probably not the conversation 
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hear, but I mean it's the truth.
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I was carnivore and keto during 
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of 4, you know? 
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Are you did, did you go that 
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A lot of sleep, as much inner 
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I did not do hormones. 
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struggle to get enough, I have 
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getting too much. 
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nutrition and my sleep and my 
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Nice and you feel much better. 

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that it's not like, it's not 
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That did help quite a bit. 

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That did help a lot. 
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especially with you, you know, 
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this massive push for, you know,
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perimenopausal, menopausal years
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replacement therapy. 
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just simply the best way to go 
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It it's safe, it's going to make
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Why would you not go that route?

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public or, you know, more 
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the science wasn't there. 
That, you know, the studies 

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I just felt that, gosh, I mean, 
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eating, you know, food from the 
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Thousands of years ago, people 

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they didn't live as long. 
Maybe they didn't live as well. 

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I just didn't feel comfortable 
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Totally respect that. 
I mean, it's, it's interesting. 

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It's, it's good to hear that 
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just been inundated with the 
overwhelming push on the 

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opposite of that, you know, take
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And again, nothing against that.
And I mean, I'm not going to go 

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to menopause, so I don't really 
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speak. 
But you know, like my mom, she's

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She didn't take any of that. 

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She's been doing keto for a 

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She's super vibrant, energized 

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and healthy. 
It's like a lot of people think 

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if they don't take it, it's like
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You know, I, that's interesting 

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you say that because I mean, 
I've, I've noticed that the talk

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It used to be if you did it, you
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Now, if you don't take it now, 
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replacement, you're taking a lot
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I mean, what people are telling 
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Having those hormones in your 
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I don't know. 
I just 20 years from now, I 

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don't, I don't want the science 
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Oh, by that time I'll be 83. 
So what difference does it make?

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it's like a lot of time. 
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personally, my journey, I'm, I'm
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I don't see the need for it at 
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Things could change, but right 
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hormonally I'm healthy, though 
my hormone levels are not what a

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But I'm not 20 years old. 

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So until I see some kind of 
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it's going to improve my life to
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worth the risk, then it's just 
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Yeah, no, I'm, I'm in the same 
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I mean, I compete in natural 
federation, so like HRT for guys

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is super popular as well. 
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either, and I don't really 
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health concern that would 
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But it is weird because like we,
especially in the space that you

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and I are in, it's like we're 
blending the world of what is 

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ancestrally consistent and as 
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as possible, but then also 
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and technology and all that 
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So it's kind of like 2 opposing 
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together. 
Interesting. 

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It's interesting concept. 
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What's really what's really 
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two camps, if you will do so, 
like blend so well together. 

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event, I didn't know how well 
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going to play together because 
there's not a strong nutritional

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foundation in the biohacking 
world. 

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And there's such a strong 
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nutritional foundation at our 
event. 

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Like it's still very the very 
foundation of our event. 

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And I didn't know how they how 
well they would blend. 

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And it's done really, really 
well. 

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I think that the biohacking 
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become more open minded to 
different nutritional protocols 

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and the carnivore slash keto 
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community is becoming on the 
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metabolically I'll when they're 
begin to get well, they're 

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looking for other optimistic, 
other ways to optimize their 

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health. 
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interesting for me to watch and 
you know. 

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Is the key, you know, like 
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a nutritional standpoint that I 
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biased, but that points to a 
well formulated ketogenic diet. 

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technology biohack standpoint, 

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like obviously all that's, you 
know, catered towards 

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optimization in some form or 
fashion. 

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health and performance, they go 
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Yeah, yeah. 
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seems to be going like that. 
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in, new people who you know, are
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ways to improve their health 
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feel like this is a, this is 
also a great place for them to 

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be because there's just exposure
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hopefully not too much 
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bad too. 
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all of that. 
Yeah, totally. 

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What what do you feel about 
because because the conference 

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is in November, this will be, 
there's a lot of changes this 

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year for Hacker Hill. 
So it's not in Texas anymore. 

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It's not in what? 
What month was it? 

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It was it June. 
August. 

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Well, we were always at the 
mercy of what the event, the 

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dates that we could get in 
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It was always June, July or 

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August. 
And now it's in November. 

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So you there are things moving 
in this trajectory that has you 

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pretty excited about all the 
changes or is it going to be 

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kind of like a hurdle? 
We're definitely excited. 

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So there there are no events in 
this area like the one like Hack

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Your Health. 
So there are some events that 

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have, you know, I don't know a 
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nothing like what we do. 
So I'm really excited to be able

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to bring that here. 
I mean, part of the reason why 

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we did this is because Ryan and 
I live here. 

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So you know, it's really hard to
have local representation in an 

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area when you don't live there. 
You're not, you don't know the 

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local community, you're not 
meeting business people, you 

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know, you're not meeting 
community members. 

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It's really hard to grow a 
business in an area where you 

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don't have that. 
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this. 
So part of the reason that we 

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did this was so that we could 
bring it home, one, to serve the

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local community, but also in a 
place where we could be present 

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in the community. 
And so that's worked out really,

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really well. 
I think that we're going to 

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have, so far we're, we're seeing
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The only way I can track this is
by use of discount codes. 

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So I mean, we, we send out a lot
of emails for people to attend 

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who have attended in the past 
and we give them a special 

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discount code. 
So I can see if people are using

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that code to buy tickets. 
But I'm guessing I'm projecting 

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that we're going to have more 
attendees this year than we've 

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ever had before. 
And it will be a mix of of 

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people who have attended in the 
past and just us building this 

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local community here. 
So we draw from not only Tampa, 

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but also Miami, Sarasota, 
Jacksonville, Orlando, so 

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Tallahassee. 
So those are all those are all 

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great communities to build from,
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Wellness perspective. 
Totally, yeah. 

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I feel like, you know, the the 
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Austin, it the Palmer Vince 
Center was that you were then 

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walking distance of Terry 
Black's barbecue. 

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Yeah. 
What what what is the equivalent

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there in Florida? 
Florida. 

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Is it like a raw oyster bar 
right across the street? 

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The events going to be. 
There's all kinds of like 

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Brazilian steakhouses and 
seafood places around. 

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The Tampa Convention Center is 
right on the water, so it's a 

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beautiful environment, but also 
there's restaurants, dozens of 

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restaurants within walking 
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Convention Center. 
Nice, nice, very exciting. 

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And y'all have grown pretty much
every single year that y'all 

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have hosted it, right? 
Like it's, it's continually, you

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know, been a positive 
trajectory. 

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Mm hmm. 
It has the first year we came 

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back from COVID was our the the 
one year that we didn't grow at 

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all. 
We, I don't remember the exact 

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numbers, so I'm, I'm not going 
to make something up. 

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So I, I just remember that it 
was disappointing for us, but it

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was also the first year of 
coming back from COVID and a lot

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of people weren't comfortable, 
you know, going to public 

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events. 
But then every year after that, 

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we've continued to grow. 
Nice, nice. 

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What is it like for you as you 
know, the the the organizer, the

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promoter, the the host of all 
this to have like this one event

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a year, which is pretty much 
what you're working for non-stop

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throughout the year? 
Like is that like I would assume

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that that is super stressful 
because like you get how much 

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riding on this one weekend? 
Yeah, it is very stressful. 

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It's financially, it is a bear 
to manage and. 

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Well, I mean, with event 
planning, you never really know 

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what to expect, you know, until 
you're in a place in event 

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planning, until you're in a 
place where the event is 

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profitable and there's enough 
money after the event to keep 

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the business going until you do 
the next event. 

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That's the challenge. 
Until you get to a place where 

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you're doing that it it, it's 
really challenging. 

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There's been many years where I 
have put money into the business

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to keep the event going until 
the until the event starts 

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generating revenue for the 
following year. 

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There were many years I've done 
that and my dream is to not have

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to do that again. 
Yeah, no, that's a it's a 

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worthwhile dream for sure. 
This will be my first year as an

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event planner. 
So I'm hosting A bodybuilding 

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competition in September of this
year. 

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So like I'm having to, you know,
booked out the venue, have to 

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figure out registrations. 
I'm have to do a lot of stuff 

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that you're doing on a much 
smaller scale. 

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And I'm like, man, there is no 
way I'm going to be in the green

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after all this. 
Like I've already lost money. 

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Like there's, there's no way 
this is going to make sense on 

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paper. 
So I'm just hopeful that it's a 

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positive experience for people 
that are there and it just 

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continues to grow year after 
year. 

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Yeah, it's tough. 
It's really tough when you're 

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trying to scale a business like 
this, the tools that you need to

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so that I'm not like up to my 
ears and spreadsheets managing 

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things. 
Those tools, those software 

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applications are incredibly 
expensive. 

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So an example would be, I think 
it was 2019. 

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We had, we didn't, we, we didn't
have a registration platform. 

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We, we were using a WordPress 
website and we used I an app 

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within the website to sell 
tickets. 

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And then we do you hear that 
Thunder? 

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It's getting ready to rain. 
Sorry. 

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Then we took a download from the
website to an Excel document and

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then took sent the Excel 
document to a printer and had 

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them print the name cards, the 
bet for the badges, and then me,

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Brian, Mary, 5 or 6 other people
from 8:00 in the morning until 

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9:00 at night stuffing name 
badges into those plastic 

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sleeves to get all 2800 of them 
done. 

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That is so much work and so 
stressful because you know, when

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you when you, when you import 
something onto, when you export 

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something out of a site and onto
a spreadsheet there, it's never 

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perfect. 
So we had people's names who got

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cut off and you know it, that 
was a nightmare. 

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So all that to say that the 
software that I have to replace 

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having to do that is incredibly 
expensive. 

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So that software is integrated 
into our website. 

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So when you go onto our website 
and you buy a ticket, that 

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information goes into their 
system and then at the show when

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you check in, that system will 
print your badge right there. 

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Nice. 
That way we don't have 10 people

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spending 12 hours stuffing 
plastic sleeves, but the cost to

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do that could pay a full time 
person. 

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Yeah, software is no joke. 
Like the amount of money that I 

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spend on the software that we 
use at keto brick and and 

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whatnot, it just like it. 
I didn't even know software cost

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that much money. 
Like it blows my mind, but the 

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idea of not having that software
at the time cost doesn't make 

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sense either. 
So like, you have to have that 

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as an investment. 
But yeah, it's not cheap. 

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Nothing's cheap. 
No, no. 

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And unfortunately it's not 
changing like I've, I've yet to 

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be able to find ways to cut 
corners that didn't have, you 

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know, a negative impact. 
You know, everything that we 

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need to do to keep growing 
requires a financial investment.

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And I mean, I've always taken 
the approach that if I can do it

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myself, I'm going to do it 
myself. 

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And I still do a lot of that, 
but it's been pointed out to be 

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many times that paying someone 
else would give me more time to 

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do more, to do other things. 
But I'm not paying myself. 

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So, you know, it just doesn't. 
It just doesn't work out on 

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paper. 
It just doesn't. 

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So I just keep doing it. 
And eventually, I know myself, 

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I've always been very stubborn. 
So I know that if I keep doing 

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this, I keep plugging away at 
it, I will find ways to make it 

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more profitable and I will get 
to what I've envisioned this 

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event to be. 
I know I will. 

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It's just going to take more 
time. 

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What do you envision the event 
to be like? 

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What is your picture 
quintessential version of of 

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Hack Your Health? 
In the future I would. 

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Love to see. 
I would love to see us have like

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5000 people there. 
That'd be double what we did 

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last year. 
And for every exhibitor to just 

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be exhausted at the end of the 
weekend from talking to people, 

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you know, meeting new people, 
finding new clients, new 

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collaborations, all the things 
that happened today, but on a 

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smaller scale, I would just like
to see it be more. 

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And I would really like, I mean,
I know that when people come to 

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this event, if one person comes,
they're going to go home and 

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share information with at least 
two other people. 

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So if I have 2500 people there, 
I've impacted, you know, 7500 

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people. 
So if I have 5000 people there, 

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then maybe I've maybe I've 
impacted 15,000 people. 

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And on scale like that, it just 
continues to grow. 

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So right now is a prime 
opportunity for that because 

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there's just so much attention 
on natural health, on nutrition,

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on food additives, on all those 
things. 

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So if I'm good at what I do, 
hopefully what I do can catch on

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to the the groundswell that's 
happening with that. 

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And so wow, if I could help 
other people at my age, people 

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that are your age or how, you 
know, when I was in my 20s and 

448
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760
30s struggling with my health, 
if I can help people avoid that,

449
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,000
then I've really made a 
difference. 

450
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,600
And at this point, I mean, I 
really don't want to do anything

451
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,480
unless I'm making a difference 
because just doesn't make sense.

452
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,760
So that's kind of where I am. 
You're making a difference for 

453
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,000
sure. 
I mean, I've always enjoyed your

454
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,080
conference. 
I enjoyed it when it was Keto 

455
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Khan. 
I enjoy it when it's like your 

456
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,400
health, like I always I've 
always enjoyed it and you 100% 

457
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,160
are making a difference. 
Like it's it's hard to to 

458
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040
recognize it in the day-to-day, 
especially when you're stuffing 

459
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040
a whole bunch of name tags in a 
card. 

460
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,280
Thank God I'm not doing that 
anymore. 

461
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840
But it's definitely apparent, 
it's definitely felt. 

462
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,720
It has a reverberating effect 
that just compounds and you 

463
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,480
know, I feel like like for me, I
love going to the conferences. 

464
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,760
I love, you know, speaking, I 
love being a vendor. 

465
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,120
I love like being boots on the 
ground face to face with people 

466
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,400
that I'm normally interacting 
with on Instagram, direct 

467
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,640
messages or emails. 
But like, I actually meet people

468
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,600
face to face. 
And you can't really do that 

469
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,560
unless you're at the conference.
So it's it's super impactful. 

470
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,400
Yeah, You know, I, I was reading
something recently about 

471
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,360
accountability and community and
how to become better at being 

472
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,960
part of the community. 
So I have an endpoint to this. 

473
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:54,920
But I, I, it, it occurred to me 
that people can go to an event 

474
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:08,000
like this and expect to be 
overwhelmed by the, the amount 

475
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520
of people and the amount of 
conversation, the, the amount of

476
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,680
new things to learn. 
But if you can go to an event 

477
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:22,560
like this without the 
intimidation factor, it's going 

478
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,880
to make all the difference in 
the world. 

479
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,120
And that's one of the things 
that I think really this event 

480
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,880
makes is different than others 
because the community is so 

481
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:39,320
welcoming to new to new people. 
So people like myself, people 

482
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,600
who have been through, you know,
a health crisis and are 

483
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,080
attending these types of events 
because it keeps them 

484
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,080
accountable, it keeps them part 
of a community. 

485
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,280
It it's everybody there is for 
everybody that's there is for 

486
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,880
the same reason. 
So everybody is excited, 

487
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,800
enthusiastic about learning new 
things to optimize their health.

488
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,280
And so bottom line is it's a 
very positive reason to be 

489
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,280
together. 
And that kind of energy is 

490
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480
contagious. 
So people who come to this event

491
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:17,480
as a newbie will feel that as 
soon as they walk in the door. 

492
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,560
I feel like like the community 
that we're a part of is so 

493
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,400
special in the fact that like 
you look at other communities, 

494
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,160
you look at like the real estate
community or you know, the 

495
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280
athletic community, it's like 
there is a an underlying level 

496
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
of ego there because it's 
everybody's measuring up against

497
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,400
everybody else. 
Like what have they 

498
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120
accomplished? 
How much money are they making? 

499
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,320
How many houses have they sold? 
Whereas like when you've lost 

500
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,320
100 plus pounds, reversed your 
type 2 diabetes, or totally 

501
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240
transformed your health, like 
you just want to start posting 

502
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720
information online because you 
want to help other people and 

503
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,400
save them the heartache that 
you've endured. 

504
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,920
And when you're at a conference 
filled with hundreds and 

505
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,800
thousands of people of that same
caliber, like it's, it's all 

506
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,520
positive vibes. 
Yeah, yeah, that's, I've said 

507
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,960
this so many times before, but 
that's really my favorite part 

508
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,360
about the entire three days is 
when we first open the doors to 

509
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,080
the event and all those people 
come walking in. 

510
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800
I almost said rushing, but that 
sounds too some of them are 

511
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,320
rushing in. 
But anyway, when all those 

512
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,320
people start coming in, you can 
feel, you can feel the vibe. 

513
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,040
So I mean, that's, that's one of
the reasons that's one of the 

514
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800
things that keeps us doing this 
every year is just that energy 

515
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,160
fills you up. 
Do you have a like a like a do 

516
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920
you have something that you do 
after the conference is over 

517
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,040
every year as like a way to, you
know, put a bookend on it like 

518
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,480
to treat yourself or relax or 
like go to the freaking massage 

519
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,320
or go that to a nice meal? 
Like, do you do something 

520
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480
personally, like habitually 
every single year after 

521
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520
conference is over? 
No. 

522
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,560
You should. 
You should. 

523
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,440
I know I should. 
You'd think that I would have 

524
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,000
figured that out after all these
years, but I don't. 

525
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,760
I mean, usually by the time the 
event is over, we've shared the 

526
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,320
information for the date for the
next event. 

527
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Exhibitor sales, ticket sales 
should be live. 

528
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,880
And we're right away. 
We start planning again now this

529
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400
year being at the Tampa 
Convention Centre. 

530
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480
I don't know if we're going to 
do the event at the Tampa 

531
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Convention Centre again. 
It's just going to see. 

532
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
I want to see how how things 
flow. 

533
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,200
It will be in Tampa again in 
2026, but I'm I'm not 100% sure 

534
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,240
we'll be at the convention 
centre. 

535
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,280
I do have the dates from them. 
We are working on the contracts,

536
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,480
but I really want to see how 
things flow there's. 

537
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,360
I'm getting totally off your 
question. 

538
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:04,040
For me, after the event is over,
I spend a month after the event 

539
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,960
working on the video content 
that was captured during the 

540
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
event so we can put it on the 
site for people to access. 

541
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,640
I do all the bookkeeping and you
know, closing out the books. 

542
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,440
So that's, I mean, probably six 
weeks, 6 to 8 weeks to close all

543
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,400
that out and start over again. 
So I mean, that would put me in 

544
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,280
November, December, January, 
that would put me in like 

545
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,480
February, perfect time to take a
vacation. 

546
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,120
So maybe this, maybe this year, 
maybe this year, I'll do it. 

547
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280
I love the cold weather. 
So February would be a great 

548
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,000
time for me to for travel. 
Yeah, 'cause I think of, of this

549
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,160
for you kind of like akin to 
like when I'm doing a 

550
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,560
competition prep and I'm like 
super, you know, just stressed 

551
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,360
out and rigid and strict with 
everything. 

552
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,920
But then after the show is over,
after my last show is over, like

553
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,120
I've got like this symbolic way 
to just put a cherry on top, so 

554
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,680
to speak. 
And it's like you need then to 

555
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,760
be able to just kind of have 
that, you know, metaphorical 

556
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480
bookend to it so that you're 
able to start fresh the next. 

557
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,520
And then everything crazy like, 
yeah, but you got to, you got to

558
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,840
definitely treat yourself to 
something that's symbolic for 

559
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,040
you in that way. 
What? 

560
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,480
What do you do? 
So after the competitions, I'll 

561
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,480
typically like when my last 
competition's over, I'll have 

562
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,240
people with me, like my wife 
will be with me. 

563
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320
I'll have my ideally my family, 
my close family and friends, 

564
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
some of my employees with me. 
And then I'll take us all out to

565
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160
like a Brazilian steakhouse. 
And I'll be able to like just 

566
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,960
eat as much food as I want. 
Not been able to do that for 

567
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,840
like 33 weeks. 
And then the next day, like I'll

568
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
sleep into whatever time I wind 
up waking up, which is usually 

569
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120
still pretty early. 
And then I'll just do whatever I

570
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,680
want. 
But it's just with, with my 

571
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,200
family and friends and no, no 
rigid structure because like 

572
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520
I've been super rigid up until 
that point. 

573
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,480
And it's nothing fancy. 
Like I don't do anything 

574
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,360
extravagant, but just simply 
having that 48 hour window where

575
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
I'm able to just relax and 
exhale. 

576
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,160
If I want to journal it, I do 
that. 

577
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,080
Whatever it is I want to do, I 
just do that. 

578
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,560
But I feel like that recharges 
me and gets me excited to start 

579
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,760
it all over again. 
That's a great idea. 

580
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,679
I have to figure out a way where
I can get myself to do that. 

581
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Yeah, user. 
It should be it like you said 

582
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,440
it, you need a bookend. 
You need something so that 

583
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,480
otherwise it's a never ending, 
never ending task. 

584
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,800
Yeah, and that's you don't have.
I mean, the y'all's team is 

585
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,400
relatively small. 
I mean, how many people are on 

586
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,719
the team right now? 
I mean, we have Ryan and I, we 

587
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,000
have one person who does web 
development, but I mean that's 

588
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,600
not somebody that's like full 
time. 

589
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,120
I have Josh that handles 
affiliates and like partners on 

590
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,280
social media and interacting 
with people on social media. 

591
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,640
I recently brought on somebody 
who is creating some video 

592
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200
content for us, but that's not 
like a full time person. 

593
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,520
That's just somebody who's 
creating a certain amount of 

594
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:16,320
content, video content for us a 
week, and then like Autumn, who 

595
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640
runs our volunteer program. 
But that's once a year. 

596
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,280
So I really don't have a whole 
lot of people. 

597
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,840
That's it. 
Yeah, it's like 3 to 4 people. 

598
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Yeah. 
And it's some some odd, you 

599
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,240
know, Yeah. 
And you have like a bunch of, 

600
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160
you know, agencies and stuff and
contractors, you know, closer to

601
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200
the event, like the lighting 
setup crew, all that jazz. 

602
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,440
But like. 
The. 

603
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,760
Year is just a handful of you. 
Yeah, the AV team. 

604
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,800
I have a new AV team this year. 
He's local and that's a once a 

605
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,560
year thing, which is another 
like the bill for that just 

606
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
blows me away. 
It really does. 

607
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:59,600
I mean that I pay them more for 
three days than I pay myself a 

608
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,040
year. 
Yeah, it is. 

609
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,840
Wow. 
It is wow. 

610
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,000
How that works? 
Yeah. 

611
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,440
What? 
What do you feel about like the 

612
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,080
just the landscape of the space 
that we're in right now in 

613
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,000
general? 
Like obviously you've got from 

614
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
political standpoint, you get 
the Maha movement. 

615
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,640
I feel like that's only, you 
know, positively conducive to 

616
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,120
the message that we're trying to
put out. 

617
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,960
But what do you feel about just 
like conferences in general? 

618
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,920
I've seen there's a lot more 
conferences now than ever 

619
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,080
before. 
Do you feel like that is a 

620
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,840
positive or do you think it's 
almost like just too much noise 

621
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,640
in the equation? 
Like what's your take as a 

622
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,960
promoter? 
There is a lot of noise, a lot 

623
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,280
of noise. 
And I, I think it's a shame 

624
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,440
because I mean, there's a lot of
people who are lost and a lot of

625
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,360
the information is conflicting. 
And I don't think that's fair 

626
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,520
to, I mean, I guess people have 
to take the responsibility to 

627
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,640
find what works best for them, 
but there's a lot of conflicting

628
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,120
information out there. 
But in the event space, in the 

629
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,200
health event space, I'm seeing a
lot of like smaller meetups 

630
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:16,640
popping up, which I think is 
really good for the attendees 

631
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,120
because there's less travel 
involved, there's less expense 

632
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,080
involved for sometimes for them.
The large events there's, I 

633
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:33,120
think there's three in my space 
that are the size of what we do 

634
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,720
and also part of the reasons 
why, part of the reason why I 

635
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:40,600
left Austin because they're both
in Austin. 

636
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,040
So I don't worry so much about 
them and I really don't worry 

637
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,440
about the smaller events either.
I guess your, your question is 

638
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,320
about the event space in 
general. 

639
00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:00,720
It's definitely growing. 
What I'm seeing in in the 

640
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,440
predictions and financial stuff 
is that the industry is going to

641
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,720
continue to grow so long as the 
event provides experience. 

642
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:19,480
So as long as we continue to 
provide more than just a lot of 

643
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,080
speakers and a bunch of vendors.
So there's got to be more than 

644
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:29,200
that so that people feel 
emotionally fulfilled at an 

645
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,880
event, more so just as much as 
learning and meeting people, but

646
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:41,840
feel emotionally fulfilled, feel
motivated, have have had like 

647
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,360
hands on experience with things 
like I'm sure you see, when you 

648
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,320
go to events as a vendor, 
there's a total, the connection 

649
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,840
between you and the attendee 
when they try your product is 

650
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,040
totally different than when 
you're, you know, online 

651
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,280
promoting a product. 
Until you have that face to face

652
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,360
interaction, until the attendee 
actually physically tries 

653
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,840
something, they're not that 
they're not invested, you know, 

654
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,680
but once they've tried it, 
they're going to want to buy it.

655
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,000
So I mean, that's part of the 
reason why we do like we brought

656
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,920
in like the cold plunge 
experience, we bring in the the 

657
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200
DEXA scans and the saunas and 
that kind of stuff. 

658
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Because some people just don't 
have an opportunity to try 

659
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,880
things like that. 
And when you're at an event like

660
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,880
this, trying it makes you go 
home and want to either 

661
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,640
incorporate this into your 
lifestyle by going to a gym that

662
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
has it or investing in something
to keep in your home. 

663
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,160
Yeah, yeah. 
It's hard to put a price on the 

664
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,800
face to face interaction just 
removing that barrier because 

665
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,160
like everything's online these 
days. 

666
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,680
I mean, everything's online 
these days, but, and that's 

667
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,960
great. 
But like nobody shops in person.

668
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,360
So nobody can like, pick up and 
feel and touch and see things 

669
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,200
with their own two eyes unless 
you're going to a conference 

670
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,400
like this. 
And like we don't even have a 

671
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,280
physical storefront presence, 
like just speaking on our end. 

672
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,520
So this is our opportunity to 
interact with people in that 

673
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,720
setting and it's just awesome. 
Like I you can, you can address 

674
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,600
people's questions, concerns and
feedback real time, which is 

675
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,920
invaluable. 
I mean, that's super great. 

676
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,480
And then for me is like when I 
speak at your event, I guess 

677
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480
that's super fulfilling because,
you know, I can speak on a 

678
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,840
podcast, I can speak on a 
YouTube video, and then I can 

679
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,400
get the comments and the, you 
know, questions and stuff in 

680
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,000
the, you know, DM messages 
afterwards. 

681
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,280
But like, being able to field 
questions from people, raising 

682
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,800
their hands and be able to speak
to them real time like that to 

683
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,240
me is, you know, super 
fulfilling. 

684
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Yeah, yeah. 
You know, as a, as a person who 

685
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:53,440
has attended events for me, I 
always, when you reach across 

686
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,960
the table to shake someone's 
hand and they are the person who

687
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,000
has developed or formulated 
whatever it is that you're 

688
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,400
looking at or learning about. 
That's, that's pretty impactful 

689
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,080
for me personally. 
So I like to meet other 

690
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,600
entrepreneurs. 
So to understand, you know, what

691
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,240
they're doing, why they're doing
it. 

692
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,520
I find that really fulfilling. 
So I think that for the 

693
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,840
attendees, it's, you know, it 
would be the same thing. 

694
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,800
No, 100 percent, 100% in, in 
times changing over the years 

695
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,000
because the first, the first 
keto con was 2019, right? 

696
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,000
17/20/17 and this is going on 
2025 now. 

697
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,840
Have you like changed your 
speaker line up and kind of like

698
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,480
the messaging that you're 
targeting from a speaker 

699
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,320
expertise standpoint based off 
of what you're seeing in the 

700
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,840
space as far as like where 
people are having questions or 

701
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,960
interests, like how has that 
shifted over the years? 

702
00:41:51,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Well, I base it on what not only
what I'm interested in, but what

703
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,600
the feedback that I get from 
attendees. 

704
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,000
So I mean, we ask attendees at 
the event, what are we not 

705
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,320
covering that you would be 
interested in learning about? 

706
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,800
I, I try to pay attention to 
what's popular, what the 

707
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,360
conversation is. 
And, and then there's kind of 

708
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,200
like foundational topics that 
we're going to cover every year,

709
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,920
no matter what, because there's 
always going to be new people 

710
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,520
that need to understand what, 
you know, insulin resistance is,

711
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,640
you know, there's always, 
there's always going to be those

712
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:42,760
topics. 
I really love the pain to 

713
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:49,960
passion story, you know, people 
who have experienced health 

714
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,640
crisis and found ways to address
those and turn that into 

715
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,320
something that they do for their
career, which is exactly my 

716
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,320
story. 
So I try to keep some of that in

717
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,880
the event as well. 
And then, you know, I have to, I

718
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,760
have seats to fill, you know, so
if there's 1800 seats in, in 

719
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,920
that mainstage, I have to bring 
people into the event that are 

720
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,000
going to fill those seats. 
So it's a combination of a lot 

721
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,320
of different things. 
There's a big focus on Women's 

722
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,720
Health this year at the event, 
but we're also this year doing 

723
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,200
for the first time in men's 
panel. 

724
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,560
And so I, I don't really have a 
single formula where I decide 

725
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,520
who's going to be speaking. 
It's really all of those things.

726
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Yeah. 
Do you feel like there's a like 

727
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,320
this movement away from, you 
know, keto, carnivore, ancestral

728
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,360
nutrition? 
Like do you think that's on the 

729
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,760
decline or do you think that is 
continually on the rise? 

730
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,360
I think that there's a camp of 
people who jump from one diet, 

731
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,800
excuse me, one diet to another. 
And until they until they figure

732
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,640
out that that doesn't work, 
they're going to keep on doing 

733
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,200
it. 
But for the most part, I think 

734
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,640
that it's continuing to rise. 
Yeah, there's a big push right 

735
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,120
now in social for the sugar 
diet. 

736
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Are you gonna have a sugar diet?
That is the stupidest thing I 

737
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,440
have ever heard. 
Is that for real? 

738
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Like I saw, I saw. 
That is ridiculous. 

739
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Yeah, yeah, it is pretty popular
right now, actually. 

740
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,280
It's garnered quite a bit of 
attention. 

741
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400
So I haven't really paid that 
much attention to it because I 

742
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,640
thought that's the stupidest 
thing. 

743
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:50,160
So tell me about it. 
Yeah, I put basically it's, it's

744
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,760
looking at the I, it's, it's 
looking at the FGF 21 hormone. 

745
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,240
And what people are doing is 
they're eating nothing but 

746
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,920
sugar, high glycemic index 
sugars from either fruits or 

747
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
like table sugar, honey, things 
like that. 

748
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,440
And keeping protein minimal or 
non existent for specified 

749
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,040
periods of time to increase FGF 
21 hormone, which 

750
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,280
consequentially allows you 
supposedly to have increased 

751
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,920
caloric expenditure. 
So you're able to eat lose 

752
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,240
weight while eating the same 
calories or maintain weight 

753
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,000
eating much higher calories. 
But the mechanism of action 

754
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,080
isn't so much the sugar as it is
the minimal intake of protein. 

755
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,000
So yeah, I'm kind of doing an 
experiment right now. 

756
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
I'm not doing the sugar diet, 
but I'm doing a four to one 

757
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,320
ketogenic diet. 
So very high fat, relatively low

758
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880
protein to illustrate a point. 
But yeah, there's a lot of 

759
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,160
people doing the sugar diet 
right now. 

760
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,320
It's pretty popular. 
I, I saw stuff about that on 

761
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,880
social media and the first time 
I saw it, I was like, that can't

762
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,640
be for real. 
I didn't even read it. 

763
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,080
But then when I saw, I think I 
saw, was it Sean Baker was 

764
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,800
saying something about it on 
YouTube? 

765
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,760
Yeah, he was doing, he was 
doing, he's basically, he's 

766
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,800
doing what I've been doing in 
that we're basically proving 

767
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,360
that you can replicate the same 
results from incredibly high 

768
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,400
fat, very minimal protein 
without sugar, right. 

769
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,400
So he and I were talking about 
that at the last conference that

770
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,880
we were at together. 
But yeah, it's it's pretty 

771
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,040
comical. 
I mean people. 

772
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,520
I mean. 
We jump around. 

773
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,480
I got to imagine you feel like 
hell. 

774
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,120
Well, I mean, that's the thing. 
People are all advocating how 

775
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,520
great they feel, how they're 
effortlessly losing all this 

776
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,560
weight till they're having great
workouts and tons of energy and.

777
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,480
Well, I wonder what their 
insulin and blood sugar look 

778
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,960
like. 
I mean, are they wearing, are 

779
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,440
they wearing glucose monitors? 
Yeah, some are, I mean, some are

780
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,200
suggesting that it's improving 
metabolic flexibility and 

781
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,920
improving insulin sensitivity 
and all these things. 

782
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,760
But for me, it's like, I just, 
I'm interested in the long term 

783
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,800
payout of things like I, I'm 
interested in what your body 

784
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,240
does in 20 years of following a,
you know, specific dietary 

785
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,120
protocol more so than three 
days. 

786
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,320
Right. 
I mean, what about the fact that

787
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,080
sugar promotes glycation and and
all these other things? 

788
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,280
What's your skin going to look 
like after a month that? 

789
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:08,840
Yeah. 
What's your teeth going to look 

790
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,800
like? 
Yeah, yeah. 

791
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,480
Well, yeah. 
I mean, I'm not going to be 

792
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,080
doing it, but it's definitely 
popular right now. 

793
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,280
No one is going to be talking 
about that at Hacker Health, I 

794
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,120
can tell you that right now. 
All right. 

795
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Good to know. 
Good to know. 

796
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
It may fill some seats, but I 
don't know if you'd want those 

797
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,160
seats filled. 
Wow, I would not promote 

798
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,680
anything like that. 
And the ketogenic side with fat,

799
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,680
yes I would. 
That makes total sense. 

800
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,560
But the sugar table sugar no. 
Not AI mean it's like candy, 

801
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,720
like straight up candy. 
A lot of people are using, you 

802
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,920
know, sweet Tarts and gummy 
bears and Sour Patch Kids as 

803
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,480
their primary dietary staples, 
which to me just doesn't seem 

804
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,120
like a good long term strategy. 
I would have such a headache, 

805
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:56,480
like, you know, I mean, I've 
always said what works for one 

806
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,760
won't work for someone else. 
I mean, everything's different, 

807
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,400
everybody's unique. 
But I can tell you right now I 

808
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,240
would not do well on that. 
Yeah, I mean. 

809
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,880
I'd fall asleep is what I would 
do. 

810
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Yeah, it would not be my good 
to. 

811
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,440
Plus you wouldn't be able to 
just fight the big old juicy 

812
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,200
steak. 
And I mean, what is that, you 

813
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,200
know, good. 
Point. 

814
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,440
Yeah, very good point. 
But what else has got you 

815
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,160
excited, Robin? 
Totally independent of the 

816
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,880
conference. 
Totally independent of what? 

817
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
I guess the fact that you're 
closer to your grandkids and you

818
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
potentially have more grandkids 
on the way. 

819
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,400
And that's awesome. 
But what else has got you 

820
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,760
personally, you know, hyped up 
and ready to run? 

821
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,240
But I mean, right now it's just 
getting back into shape, 

822
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,200
starting to build muscle again 
and and experience that feeling 

823
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,960
in the morning when you look 
forward to going to the gym 

824
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,120
that's. 
Really. 

825
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
When did you start hitting the 
weights again? 

826
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,840
Hard and heavy. 
About two weeks ago. 

827
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
How's that going so far? 
I mean, I know you kind of 

828
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,760
alluded to the fact that you're 
not lifting as much as your your

829
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,600
brain thinks that you would be, 
but yeah, is it, is it feel easy

830
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,760
to wake up and go to the gym? 
Are you still kind of dreading 

831
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,040
him? 
I'm not dreading it. 

832
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
I'm looking forward to it. 
I mean, because in my mind, I 

833
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,400
kind of like have an end goal, 
you know, not an end goal, but I

834
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,600
have a goal of, you know, just 
being in better shape by the 

835
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,560
time the event comes around. 
So that's kind of like a that's 

836
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,640
kind of like a goal in the 
future for me. 

837
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,960
But I'll tell you what, that 
first week I can barely walk. 

838
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,880
Pretty rough, little dumb. 
Oh my God, Trying to doing 

839
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,040
squats and then trying to walk 
two days later, yeah, that was 

840
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,840
painful. 
Yeah, when you, when you take 

841
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,080
some time off from working out, 
then you do a heavy squat. 

842
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,520
They, I mean, you don't look 
forward to going to the bathroom

843
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,080
because then you got to sit and 
that's no fun. 

844
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,280
Yeah, sitting or getting up from
it, yeah. 

845
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,520
Oh boy, no. 
That's serious business. 

846
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,720
But yeah, I mean, that's really 
what what I'm that's really my 

847
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:58,040
focus right now is my family and
the gym and this event. 

848
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,240
That's pretty much what I do 
every day. 

849
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:09,480
I mean, it's June in Florida, so
it's too hot to really, you 

850
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,440
know, plan anything outside. 
I mean, obviously I am outside, 

851
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,720
but I don't spend a whole lot of
time in the middle of the day 

852
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:21,080
when it's 95° outside. 
So I look forward to September, 

853
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,920
October, November when things 
cool off. 

854
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,280
I did. 
I did take a vacation this year,

855
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,800
though. 
I went to Scotland. 

856
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,280
Oh nice. 
Yeah, in April and I was there 

857
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,000
for two weeks. 
It was the first time I've ever 

858
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,360
travelled internationally by 
myself and I I signed up with a 

859
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,280
tour group and travelled all 
over Scotland. 

860
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,080
It was pretty incredible. 
What was the motivation for 

861
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,120
going to Scotland specifically? 
Kind of like a bucket list trip.

862
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,320
Nice. 
And I've I just love the history

863
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,960
and the fact that there's 
evidence of the history. 

864
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,800
So you know, when you walk 
through the grounds of a castle,

865
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,400
it's pretty amazing. 
I mean, the stones on the bottom

866
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,080
of those walls that have been 
there for 1000 years makes you 

867
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,920
feel kind of small, but I just 
find it really fascinating. 

868
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,080
It is my my grandmother on my 
mom's side. 

869
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,440
She did like a deep dive into 
all of our family history and 

870
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,600
lineage. 
And apparently I've related to 

871
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,960
King Robert the Bruce in some 
form or fashion. 

872
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,640
And she's got like all this 
paper documentation that like 

873
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,680
doc, like, you know, verifies 
it. 

874
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,200
So I want to go there and like 
see it for that, have all that, 

875
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,640
but I don't know. 
I got to go look at all of her 

876
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,880
paperwork, brush up on it. 
But it is pretty cool, all the 

877
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,160
history back there. 
Yeah. 

878
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,400
And did you, there's a series 
called Outlander that was all 

879
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:05,120
about like from around 1100 I 
think maybe a little bit later. 

880
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,760
But anyway, that series, they 
went to a lot of the really 

881
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,000
historic places where these 
castles are, where there were 

882
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,480
battles, where there's a, you 
know, story about clans fighting

883
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,680
each other. 
I just found it really 

884
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,440
fascinating. 
So you'd love it. 

885
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,920
The landscape is just 
breathtaking. 

886
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,360
Just. 
Breathtaking. 

887
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,960
I've been to Iceland and I've 
also been to Nova Scotia, 

888
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,840
Newfoundland, and the landscape 
is very similar. 

889
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,120
It's very rugged, very like 
sharp cliffs from, you know, 

890
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,360
down to the ocean, very green. 
It's it's really beautiful. 

891
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,920
See, that's what you should do. 
After every conference, you take

892
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,400
a week or two and you go on a 
solo trip to some country that 

893
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,640
you aspire to see. 
Like that's that should be your 

894
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,920
thing. 
Yeah, that's a good idea. 

895
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,280
I have to see if I can do it. 
What's the next one going to be?

896
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,560
What's the next country? 
I don't know. 

897
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,440
I have this. 
I have an interest in going to 

898
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,760
doing some travelling in 
Colorado. 

899
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,680
I lived in Colorado when I was 
in my 20s and I loved it there. 

900
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,520
I really like the mountains. 
I like the greenery. 

901
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,480
I like cooler climates. 
I like to get away from cities. 

902
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,480
And so I think that next year, 
rather than traveling to another

903
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,400
country, I might spend some time
in Colorado. 

904
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,800
Although February it might be 
too cold, but maybe Colorado or 

905
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,120
Portugal. 
I've also wanted to go to Spain,

906
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,120
so we'll see. 
Well, we got mountains in 

907
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,480
Arkansas. 
Come see me in Arkansas. 

908
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,040
OK. 
It'll begin well, Robin, give 

909
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,520
everybody the the scoop on when 
the conference is, how they can 

910
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,400
sign up, what they should look 
forward to, all that good jazz. 

911
00:53:54,520 --> 00:54:00,040
It's hackerhealth.com. 
The the tickets are available 

912
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,480
now. 
We're actually doing a price 

913
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,640
increase in July, but right now 
the three day pass is only 299. 

914
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,320
We have a code created for you. 
It's Keto Savage that is $100 

915
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,760
discount, so it would get the 
three day pass for 199. 

916
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:22,120
That code is live by the way and
the speakers are all showcased 

917
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,920
on the website. 
The brands that have signed up 

918
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,440
to come are on the website that 
we we have probably space for 

919
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,120
maybe 30 or 40 more. 
So those will all be filling up.

920
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,120
That updates regularly as people
sign up. 

921
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,200
And the interactive experiences 
are all listed on the website as

922
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,200
well. 
There's links to discounted 

923
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,120
hotels on the website. 
So we'll try to make it as easy 

924
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,880
as possible for people to get 
information. 

925
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,600
Right now I have 7070 speakers. 
We're doing several panels 

926
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,960
though, so there's like four or 
five people on each panel. 

927
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,520
There's a lot to be happening 
there a lot, and all the 

928
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,720
information is on the website, 
but I would encourage people to 

929
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,920
come. 
November is really beautiful in 

930
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Florida. 
Not super hot still go to the 

931
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,800
beach. 
Tampa is a great city and the 

932
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,200
Convention Center and the hotels
with are right next to the 

933
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,920
Convention Center is like a 10 
minute, 15 minute Uber ride from

934
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,680
the hotel from the airport. 
Excuse me? 

935
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,920
So Tampa airports won all kinds 
of awards. 

936
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Beautiful airport. 
So I would encourage people to 

937
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,520
come and if they do, please find
me and introduce yourself. 

938
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,720
Yeah, no, I'm super excited 
about this. 

939
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,240
This will honestly be the kind 
of kind of broken hearted, but 

940
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,600
this will be the first I've 
spoken every every hacker health

941
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,240
conference. 
This will be the first one that 

942
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,680
we don't have a keto brick booth
at. 

943
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,280
So I'm a little broken hearted 
there, but this we get our my 

944
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
second sons do literally any day
now, like my wife could 

945
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,800
literally call me right now in 5
minutes and say, you know, we're

946
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,600
going to the labor. 
So I didn't want to commit to 

947
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,720
anything until that all kind of 
got, you know, figured out. 

948
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,640
But I'm super excited to be 
there. 

949
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,360
I am incredibly grateful and, 
you know, humbled and honored 

950
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,000
for you to ask me to speak 
again. 

951
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,200
I mean, I think the world of 
you, Robin, and it's awesome to 

952
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,880
just be a part and help in any 
way I can. 

953
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,200
So it's you put on an amazing 
event and you impact a lot of 

954
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,920
people's lives and you're an 
incredible human being. 

955
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,960
So hats off to you. 
Well. 

956
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Thank you for saying that, I 
really appreciate all your 

957
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,040
support. 
Absolutely. 

958
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,360
Well, I will see you in November
for sure. 

959
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,240
Until then, I'll link out to the
site and make it easy for people

960
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,200
to find you, and we'll see if we
can drum up some more 

961
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,520
attendance. 
That sounds great and good luck 

962
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,560
next couple of days. 
Yeah, yeah, I'll send you a 

963
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,760
picture for sure. 
This little guy is. 

964
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,320
Doing tell Crystal I send my 
love. 

965
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,160
I'll do it. 
Appreciate you, Robin. 

966
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Take care.