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What is going on ladies and 
gentleman, we got Robert Sykes, 

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keto Savage.com and special 
guests. 

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Chris Irving on the line today. 
Chris, how you doing, man? 

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Good, thanks for having me 
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Robert, absolutely. 
So tell everybody who are you 

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and what do you do? 
All right. 

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Yeah, so like you said my name 
is Chris. 

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Irvin I am the director of 
content for ketogenic.com so 

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that's just a fancy word for. 
I'm the guy that does a lot of 

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writing and you know making the 
social media posts and 

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everything like that. 
For the website, my background 

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it with Quito is No, when I when
I graduated from my undergrad, I

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came down to the University of 
Tampa to get my masters in 

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exercise and nutrition science 
and that I got to study under 

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dr. 
Wilson, who's a, you know, a big

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figurehead and the keto and 
sports performance realm. 

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So I got to study under him for 
a year getting my masters, and 

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got to do some really cool, keto
research in the lab there. 

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And then, you know, I really 
started getting passionate about

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actually I can't tell people the
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My focus from Sports 
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other areas of Quito, I picked 
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truth by Travis Kristofferson. 
And if you guys haven't read 

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that, that's a phenomenal book. 
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started reading about Quito and 
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passionate about it and I was 
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to land a an opportunity doing 
some interning with dr. 

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Poff and .n dr. 
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which is a really cool 
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And then from There. 
I just, you know, decided that 

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it was time to start putting all
this stuff out there and trying 

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to educate the world on keto and
that's kind of how the ketogenic

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things charging started to come 
about. 

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And how long have you been doing
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Come now and total. 
So been working on it for about 

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two years eighteen months to two
years right now, but we launched

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the website for the first time 
last November. 

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And if anybody followed us at 
that point, they saw really bad 

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version of the website. 
When it first went up, We've, 

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you know, I feel like we've 
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the last year, we've gotten to a
point where I, you know, I think

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everything looks pretty nice. 
And our social game has gotten a

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lot better. 
So, yeah. 

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It's been a little bit over 18 
months so far. 

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Yeah. 
And I mean every time I click on

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yellow stuff, I mean you're 
killing it. 

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This good relevant content, it's
easily digested. 

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I mean, it's good stuff. 
It's, you can have it your 

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exposure at your fingertips, 
right there and get a good 

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nugget of information. 
Yeah. 

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And that's kind of what we what 
we wanted to go for like, you 

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know, coming from a little bit 
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Ground. 
I had so much respect for a lot 

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of these doctors and researchers
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stuff on keto. 
But the problem is a lot of that

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work gets lost in these journals
that, you know, people people 

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either don't have access to or 
they don't really have the 

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ability to sit down and 
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And that's kind of how this all 
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As it was trying to take that 
really highly respected quality 

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work and putting it in a way 
that general population could 

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not only understand it, but 
apply to their life. 

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So that's kind of been what the 
missions been so far. 

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I like it, I like it. 
So What the festive about about 

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like your your kids, an 
experience, like, what got you 

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into doing the diet and how long
have you been doing the diet and

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living that lifestyle, you know,
as an individual? 

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Yeah. 
So I've been doing it for about 

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two and a half years. 
Now, I started doing it, it was 

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actually in like June of 2015 
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University of Tampa, and my 
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with dr. 
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Nutrition. 
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about keto and I had heard about
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I had gone to a conference where
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Volek and dr. 
D Agostino talk, but I didn't 

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even know who they were yet at 
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didn't really know much about 
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that first class with dr. 
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you know what, I'm going to do 
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day, I had no idea what I was 
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I was just eating, you know, 
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And, you know, I definitely went
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tribulations trying to, you 
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for me. 
I had some keto, flu bouts and, 

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you know, dealt with a lot of 
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But you know, it took me 
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I would say, three, four months 
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before, I felt like I had it 
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And now, you know, you know, to 
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I feel like it's just been a 
breeze. 

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My biggest reason for doing it 
is I really enjoy the - benefit,

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you know, even if all other 
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know, ability to focus and, you 
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and, you know, write and do 
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I feel like has been enhanced in
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kind of been my biggest benefit 
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So you've been, you've been key 
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No, no carb interruption in that
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So, my first year, I actually, I
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carb-free. 
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had something like, you know, if
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back to see my family and stuff.
If my mom had some home cooking,

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you know. 
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I've been probably a little more
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you know, that's and that kind 
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Like, what something I always 
tell people is that if you, you 

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know, stay really strict with 
keto when you first start, if 

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you can get yourself to get like
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like sticking to it and and you 
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pretty strictly. 
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point where, you know, Later on 
if you don't have any conditions

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and you're just doing keto for 
the general health benefits, you

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can get away with, you know, 
having, you know, of some carbs 

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here and there or if you know, 
decide you go, you know, go home

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and you want to enjoy some of 
your mom's cookies, or something

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like that. 
Like, you can get away with that

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a little more, but the problem 
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first six months on keto. 
And if you do that, you never 

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really get fully fat adapted. 
So, the point where you can, you

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know, kind of be able to benefit
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So yeah, I think so. 
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say That now it's I'm staying 
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But, you know, if something pops
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back home or something, then 
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freedom. 
I love to talk with you. 

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About the difference between 
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to adapt to defend that took 
that comes up a lot with you 

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know all of my clients and what 
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But I mean people assume that as
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blood ketones you know, meet 
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They're going to go but like 
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And I said by, you know, my last
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first six months, he'd probably 
say the same thing, like your 

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body. 
Just keeps becoming more and 

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more efficient as you go. 
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that what that's a big reason 
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super worried about tracking 
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first start off because a lot of
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excited or they'll get 
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they're seeing on that meter and
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this after. 
But the meters, not even really 

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a clear indication. 
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But you know, a lot of people 
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blood, that would be considered 
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you know, some people can do 
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incorporate some fasting and 
whatnot but you know anybody 

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who's done the diet knows that 
you know a day 3 days a week end

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you're definitely not feeling 
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were truly fat adapted so that 
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difference of you know between 
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adapted. 
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people is when You start feeling
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the increased energy Focus, you 
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more full, your Cravings have 
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That's when you know that you're
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know that you're utilizing fat 
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using ketones as fuel rather 
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And kind of that difference 
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ketosis can mean just producing 
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adapted means you're using 
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Absolutely, I think, People ask 
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Hai, they first experience in 
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And then how that Wayne's, you 
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and I'm not sure that the high 
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become, it's more relevant that 
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like, what it was like to eat 
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then as you're in ketosis 
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So it doesn't seem as a stark 
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Do you know that? 
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happening is it kind of becomes 
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Like, you know, before when you 
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keto diet, you know, you 
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and carbs and, you know, you 
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lethargic after and, you know, 
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And that first month you start 
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like Euphoria, you just get this
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just like almost like 
eye-opening and, you know, you 

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start feeling that but then, you
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that becomes your new norm. 
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takes sitting back and thinking 
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Months ago, I didn't feel like 
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may not notice it as being as of
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continuous. 
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things I've noticed too is like 
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think what happens is you get 
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Euphoria where you know, I 
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specifically where I was driving
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feeling that just like took over
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what was that? 
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had Just started. 
I was probably a month in and 

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like, after talking to people 
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that, euphoria that you get from
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get that every once in a while. 
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surge. 
It's kind of like a constant 

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And I think really what that's 
attributed to is, you know, your

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brain has a high affinity for 
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So if you're producing them, you
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going to be utilizing them, you 
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tissue in your body. 
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that that just kind of becomes 
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different for everybody when 
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But last time we spoke, I had 
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and become much, much lower. 
You know, being Ito ketosis as 

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long as I have, which is 
basically just a tribute to my 

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body being more efficient at 
utilizing them and not having 

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them floating in my bloodstream.
Is there like a time frame that 

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you notice pretty consistently 
with that happening in people? 

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So it's tough because when you 
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this from you don't like during 
my grad school, I was doing a 

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lot of Research, where we would 
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We're doing exercise and 
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and testing ketones. 
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testing your ketones in general.
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It makes a difference on when 
you're doing it like you may eat

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like a totally keto friendly 
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So it's kind of hard to get a 
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three to six month range. 
You start seeing that like those

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Tone levels. 
If you're kind of choosing a 

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consistent time to test them, 
which we can talk about that 

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later too if you want. 
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consistent time to test them, 
usually in the 36-month range, 

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I'll see that people's numbers 
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be, and they start going down 
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the clients that I work with, a 
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freaked out about that. 
And they'll be like, you know, 

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I'm not having any carbs like 
what's going on. 

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I'm sure you kind of see that 
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And, you know, my biggest thing 
I always tell them is, you know,

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how are you feeling like, do you
feel Like you have good energy. 

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Do you feel full like you, are 
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And if they say, you know, note 
although singer, yes, to some of

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those and notice some of those, 
then it's like, then what are 

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you worried about? 
You know, you're definitely in 

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Quito. 
It's just that. 

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Those numbers aren't the same 
anymore. 

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Yeah, people get so hung up on 
what that little device reads 

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off to him. 
So talk about like breath 

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ketones. 
Like I'm using that level device

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right now to measure acetone in 
the breath, how is the 

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correlation with that? 
Like what would be, what am I 

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looking for? 
Exactly. 

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Yeah. 
So I've never actually used the 

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breath meter before but I know 
that there's at least two 

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published studies out there that
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from the breath Ketone. 
M is is pretty much or they it 

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correlates well with what you 
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The only thing that I've seen 
with it is that and now sounds 

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like you might be using a 
different one than what I'm 

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familiar with. 
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that came out. 
I was getting a lot of feedback 

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from people that interpreting 
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struggle. 
But if Like and they maybe 

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they've improved that since then
but if you're able to interpret 

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them they do say that the 
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what you see on a blood Ketone 
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So I think it kind of just comes
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choose which one, I think you 
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Effectiveness is probably what 
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Okay, because I'm using, I'm 
using the level at another key 

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tonics was a was really big 
initially. 

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It was the one I know about. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And the levels, pretty expensive
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like it's like all a 
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Khalil, I call Everything's 
contained. 

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There's no margin for error, 
really? 

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Really. 
So it's pretty. 

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It's pretty fancy. 
But I don't know if I've heard 

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that it's a, it's a better 
indicator of how many ketones 

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your body's actually using and 
burning as opposed to just was 

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floating around your 
bloodstream. 

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So I did ya out there was an 
idea of a product, right? 

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Right. 
So if I'm the break time in 

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theory, if I like test before 
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should my parts per million be 
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based on what might like my 
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Well it's tough to say because 
if I guess if you're doing 

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breath and it's measuring a 
byproduct of the breakdown then 

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you would assume that it would 
be higher because you would 

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assume that you're utilizing 
more and you know and a blood M 

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you would assume it would be the
opposite that you're probably 

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going to well in a blood M it 
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you're burning more fat than 
you, maybe also producing more 

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ketones at the same time and 
that's, you know something. 

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Yes, that's even same for 
breath, you know, regardless of 

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what you're measuring, if 
they're depending on your 

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exercise, if you're burning fat 
and producing ketones, it kind 

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of depends on your rate of 
burning versus Burning, the fat 

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in producing ketones and the 
burning of the ketones. 

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You know, it's kind of hard to 
interpret that it is, it is hard

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to quantify. 
I'm such a data nerd. 

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I just like want to get all the 
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It's much better. 
Just to focus on how you feeling

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it before me. 
Yeah. 

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You know, I always tell people 
to it's like, look at your 

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progress. 
Like, you know a lot like I've 

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had so many clients that Gets 
like really upset or hung up or 

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stressed out about those 
numbers. 

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And I was, like, to be honest 
with you, like, with what we 

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know about cortisol, like your 
stress is going to be hurting 

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your level of ketosis more than 
anything. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Just listen to how you feel, and

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see how you're progressing. 
And if you're getting good 

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progress and stuff, then you 
really shouldn't beat yourself 

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up about those numbers. 
I completely agree you ever use 

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like a glucose test. 
Yeah, so usually when I test I 

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do like to test both at the same
time just because I'm always 

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curious to see Like what my 
fasting, blood glucose is, my 

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never gotten crazy low, like I 
still I still hover around like 

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the 80, you know, 70 to 80 
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Like, I've seen some people with
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and keto, but I usually do use 
it. 

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But one of the things that I've 
been really, you know, intrigued

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with like, doing self 
experimentation and seeing how 

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your blood glucose response to 
meals, even like Tito friendly 

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meals, you know, there's a lot 
of people out there that think, 

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like, Like, you know, if you're 
eating some of these, like, 

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eco-friendly Suites that are out
there that you can kind of, 

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because of your kind of 
mentally, you can almost like 

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force of blood glucose response 
because you think you're getting

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something sweet. 
I haven't seen that in myself, 

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but it's kind of been something 
that I've been testing a lot to 

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see. 
So I still like to do blood 

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glucose at the same time and 
it's I mean, it's the cheapest 

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option. 
Like it's, you can get, you 

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know, glucose drip for pennies 
on the dollar. 

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So it's a effective way to see 
how things respond within. 

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Yeah. 
Thing to, like, a lot of people,

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if they're saying, like, you 
know, wanting to know if they 

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should test ketones all the time
and they're worried about the 

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price. 
Sometimes, I'll just tell him. 

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Like, let's look at your glucose
because, you know, while there's

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not a perfect correlation, you 
know, we know that if your 

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fasting blood glucose is 120 
then you're probably not in 

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ketosis. 
So right? 

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You know, trying to, you know, 
find a cheaper way to monitor 

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how you're doing on the 
ketogenic diet. 

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You know, testing blood glucose 
is just as good. 

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Yeah, I completely agree. 
So, anything below what? 

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What's like, a just a good 
general rule anything. 

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But Low 100's pretty solid. 
Yeah I mean below 100 I would 

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say is in like them with the 
moderate range but what I've 

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seen usually like 8080 and below
is what I've seen to be good for

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fast now that's fasting. 
So waking up in the morning. 

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I think the best time to test 
glucose and ketones is, you 

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know, in the morning about two 
hours after you wake about a 

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10th after like a 10-hour fast, 
that's kind of what we used to 

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do. 
Anytime we would test ketones in

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the lab, we would try to have 
that be the protocol. 

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But that's, you know, I would 
say for, like, a lot of that 

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usually in, like the 80 to 85 
and under is what we look for. 

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But it that also depends on how 
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Like if you're new to Quito and 
you're super insulin resistant, 

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it might be harder for you to 
get that fasting. 

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Blood glucose number down, it 
may take a little bit longer, 

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but guys, like us who have been 
doing it for like 23 years, we 

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should probably be more. 
Like the 8080 below range, is 

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that kind of how you are, where 
you at. 

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That's generally where I met 
except for this month, I'm doing

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that experiment where I've got a
higher protein and I've noticed 

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the higher protein is definitely
kicked up my fasting glucose. 

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How how much is it affected at? 
So like right now my macros are 

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235 protein, 222 fat, and like 
less than 20 grams total carbs a

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day. 
And since starting this my 

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weights increased, my glucose 
was, you know, averaging around 

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80 and now it's you know, mid 
90s, sometimes as high as 100 

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and my ketones of old dropped as
well. 

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Okay. 
Now, do you when are you testing

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them first thing in the morning?
First thing tomorrow. 

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Okay? 
So one thing too that I always 

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tell people to at least be 
conscious of is, if when you're 

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waking up in the morning and 
testing, sometimes cortisol can 

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have a little bit of an impact, 
because cortisol, if you have 

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normal circadian rhythms, it 
should be spiking in the 

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morning, right? 
That can have an impact on your 

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blood sugar. 
But so usually, I always tell 

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people to wait a couple hours 
after, but if you were always 

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testing in the morning then I 
guess, you know, that's a 

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control, so that doesn't really 
matter. 

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But, you know, I wonder the, one
of the things I've been 

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wondering with that because I've
tested a little bit of high 

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protein in myself too. 
But I've never been in a calorie

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Surplus, during I assume you're 
in a surplus now, right? 

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Yeah, I'm in about 3,000 
calories a day but no. 

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Okay, so I've never done it in a
surplus before. 

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So I've kind of wondered because
you know the research out there 

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on higher protein, you know it's
like gluconeogenesis and 

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everything one of the thing and 
this would actually be an 

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interesting thing for you too. 
You look at, if you could track,

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it is seeing you know, some 
research has shown, that may be 

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acutely, having high protein 
could increase gluconeogenesis, 

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but long-term what they show is 
that it actually balances itself

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out. 
It's so, you know what? 

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I would be curious to see is 
like, if your blood glucose is 

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higher in the morning on your 
high-protein. 

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I wonder what it is at night. 
Do you ever test at night, 

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sometimes randomly? 
But I've been just trying to 

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test consistently each day. 
That I mean, sure, I'll test it.

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Not just just for the heck of it
and, and my meals, like, this is

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the first time in years that my,
you know, caloric intake. 

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From protein has been higher 
than my protein ratio is 

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basically had in my fat ratio, 
which is crazy, my grams 

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anyways. 
So I think like I've experiment 

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higher protein in the past two 
and all I have like a really, 

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you know, you know, protein Dent
steak and a lot of really high 

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Ketone readings afterwards, but 
the fat is also, you know, 

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proportionately just as high. 
Yeah. 

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So I think that is a huge factor
in as well, because I mean, you 

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can have a, I think you can have
a pretty high bowls of protein. 

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But as long as your fats there 
to slow the digestion, you're 

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going to have pretty ketogenic 
effect. 

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Whereas if you have a, you know,
much higher protein ratio, 

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you're not going to have that 
fat to slow it, it's going to 

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skew the numbers. 
Yeah. 

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So that's what I was going to 
ask. 

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Now, do you on this type of 
you're doing currently? 

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Do you have more is your meals 
more like lower fat when you 

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have the high protein? 
Or is there still a decent 

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amount of fat, man? 
I try to make sure that we got a

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decent amount of Because I don't
want to have any meal is just 

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like, basically pure protein, 
but there's there's been times 

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where like I just did any more 
fat in the day and I would have 

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to have like a predominantly 
protein-based meal, but I 

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noticed when I do that, my 
numbers and next morning always 

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worse. 
So yeah, I think I think having 

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having them, you know, a fat in 
the diet ski dad, you do. 

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This is something I always like 
asking people to especially 

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people that train like yourself.
Do you use protein shakes at 

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all? 
Now, I don't ever when I have 

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the lower. 
Protein ratio, I have been 

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lately. 
I've been using an ancient 

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nutrition bone broth protein. 
Just simply did I mean, because 

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there's days were like I need 20
grams of protein and no fat. 

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And that's like, just a quick 
easy way to go for it. 

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But I don't like using the 
protein powders from me, there 

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that that one's a good one. 
The bone broth one's a good one,

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but there's still so much, like,
sweetener in there. 

444
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,500
And my pilot has changed so much
since kiddo. 

445
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,700
Like I don't like it, I don't 
like the sweetness. 

446
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,000
Yeah, I've noticed that too. 
Like I'll you know, some days if

447
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,400
like, you know, if I train or 
something and And it's I know 

448
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,800
it's going to be a long time 
before I eat and I kind of want 

449
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,500
a snack. 
I might grab a quick protein 

450
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,200
shake but yeah, same thing. 
Like now they taste so much 

451
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,600
sweeter because, you know, 
compared to before, like I don't

452
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,800
have a sweet tooth really at 
also like even like mildly. 

453
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,200
Sweet things are enough for me 
and anything overly sweet. 

454
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,200
It's almost too much. 
Yeah, I've always recommended, 

455
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,600
you know, client because 
everybody has protein shakes 

456
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,000
that's been around forever, you 
know, so I've always recommend 

457
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,500
that if you have protein shake 
friend have only half a scoop at

458
00:22:06,508 --> 00:22:10,300
a time and then try and you 
know, even that Shoot out by 

459
00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:13,100
adding some MCT or there's some 
kind of fat source that it's not

460
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:16,900
just a pure bowls approaching. 
Yeah and one of the things to 

461
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,900
during my grad school we did a 
little bit of research with it 

462
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,700
and we actually were testing 
like different types of protein 

463
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,200
and now we actually found the 
egg. 

464
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,400
Protein was a little bit, was 
slightly more keto friendly than

465
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,800
that, then like whey and casein.
So really? 

466
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,400
Yeah. 
And I totally agree with with 

467
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,900
putting things like whenever I 
would do protein shakes, I would

468
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,700
like to do like some heavy cream
coconut oil MCT powder. 

469
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,500
I'm like that. 
So the only problem is egg 

470
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:46,900
protein, it's not the best 
tasting one, you know, it's just

471
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,600
not as good as way but, you 
know, for somebody, who if 

472
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,600
they're looking to do protein 
and they want to, you know, make

473
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,100
sure they're staying keto 
friendly and also maybe trying 

474
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:57,600
to avoid Dairy. 
I know that's a big, a big kind 

475
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,200
of phase right now is people are
trying to phase out dairy. 

476
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,600
Egg protein might be a good 
thing to consider. 

477
00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:05,600
Yeah, I mean, I'm just eating a 
ton of, you know, eggs right 

478
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,800
now, engine light about anywhere
from like 10 to 20 eggs a day 

479
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,500
right now is crazy. 
Yes. 

480
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:13,300
Do you know I've been wondering 
like do you have you had any 

481
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,000
problems because I'm the same 
way like I eat a lot of s. 

482
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,500
Probably my primary foods. 
I eat is eggs, have you 

483
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,800
developed any sort of like 
intolerance or anything to 

484
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,500
having so many? 
No, not that. 

485
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,200
I can tell, I mean like my go-to
meal right now so I'll cook like

486
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,700
to burger patties or two 
sausages or something. 

487
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,900
In the cast-iron skillet and 
I'll just crack you know ten 

488
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:35,200
eggs in their time and scramble 
it and that's just like a lot of

489
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,700
volume and it works really well 
with the ratios. 

490
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,600
I'm trying to hit right now so 
it's just easy. 

491
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,700
But yeah, I haven't noticed any 
intolerance whatsoever. 

492
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,100
Yeah, that's a question that I 
get a lot because, like, you 

493
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,900
know, I'm the same way like I'll
because, you know, eggs are 

494
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:49,900
almost the easiest thing. 
If you're like, you said, trying

495
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,400
to balance out your ratios, you 
know, it's a good way that if 

496
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,700
you have maybe a little bit of a
leaner source of meat or 

497
00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:57,400
something, you can throw some 
eggs in there to get your fat up

498
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,900
and whatnot. 
But I, you know, so I've been 

499
00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:02,500
for the last two and a half 
years eating like at least you 

500
00:24:02,508 --> 00:24:06,200
know six to ten a day and people
always ask me that question. 

501
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800
I haven't experienced it either 
by I've heard some people report

502
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,500
that so I was just curious if 
Experienced anything with it? 

503
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,300
No, no, I haven't. 
What about? 

504
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,100
What about Dairy. 
So you mentioned earlier people 

505
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:19,900
trying to phase that Dairy what 
is like to get your take on it. 

506
00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,300
But from what I've experienced 
as far as like if you have an 

507
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:26,200
intolerance to Dairy, it's going
to be minimized on keto. 

508
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,500
Like I think if you have dairy 
and carbs and fat those negative

509
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,000
impacts are Amplified by think 
going key to their minimize, but

510
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,400
obviously still some people 
would benefit from removing it. 

511
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,900
Do you think everybody has a 
dairy intolerance in some form 

512
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,300
or fashion or And some people 
totally get away with it. 

513
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:46,400
That's a great question. 
You know, the thing is, is, like

514
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,100
the biggest thing with dairy and
like lactose, specifically, is 

515
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,300
like, if you go overboard on 
Dairy, you're going to be 

516
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:52,900
getting lactose in there. 
You're going to be getting 

517
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,300
sugar. 
So, if you're going to use it, I

518
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,600
think moderation is key. 
You know, a lot of people 

519
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,000
report, you know, experiencing 
experiencing like inflammation 

520
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,700
and stuff, while using a lot of 
dairy. 

521
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,600
But one of the biggest things 
about a ketogenic diet, is it 

522
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,400
reduces inflammation. 
So, just like you said, I think 

523
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:11,600
Darion. 
A huge egg dye is going to be a 

524
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,100
lot better than Dairy on a high 
carb diet where you're probably 

525
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,500
already experiencing 
inflammation. 

526
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,300
Regardless of the dairy, what I 
always tell people, especially 

527
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:24,100
if you're new to Quito, don't 
cut out Dairy because that's 

528
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,500
just going to restrict yourself 
more, and probably just going to

529
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:29,000
look lead to you failing more 
or, you know, lead to a better 

530
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,700
chance of you falling off the 
diet. 

531
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:35,300
But if you, you know, start to 
see a plateau or you start to, 

532
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:36,900
you know, hit that spot where 
like, you know, I'm not seeing 

533
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,700
any more progress, it might be 
worth it to look into. 

534
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400
The dairy and taking it away. 
But like, for me personally, 

535
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,600
I've been doing keto for two 
years and I haven't felt the 

536
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,900
need. 
You know, I've never ate a ton 

537
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,700
of dairy but I've never felt the
need to completely remove it 

538
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,000
from my diet. 
You know, I've heard a lot of 

539
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,000
people like, I know, like Leanne
Vogel is really big. 

540
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,900
I'm keeping Dairy out and she 
says, you know, she feels so 

541
00:25:57,900 --> 00:25:59,500
much better when she doesn't do 
it. 

542
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,500
I think it's just kind of one of
those things where it's really 

543
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,100
specific to the person. 
And that's, you know, the 

544
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,700
biggest thing like I always talk
sustainability if, you know, 

545
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,700
having dairy in your Jake died 
is going to make you you know, 

546
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:15,000
1% less healthy but it's going 
to give you an 80% better chance

547
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
of staying on the diet. 
I would rather you have dairy 

548
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,700
and stay on the diet but if 
you're trying to optimize the 

549
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,000
diet then you know, maybe it's 
worth taking a look at cutting 

550
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,100
it out. 
Yeah. 

551
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:28,100
And I don't know, I'm incredibly
insensitive like I perform fine 

552
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,400
with carbs when the 8 mm. 
So I think the the sugars that 

553
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,100
I'm getting from the lactose 
like my body is able to settle 

554
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,700
those through pretty effectively
and that's probably why I'm not 

555
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,400
getting near the negative 
feedback from it. 

556
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:40,400
Yeah. 
And that's That's a good point 

557
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,400
too. 
Is why self-experimentation? 

558
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,500
Knowing your body so important 
like I'm the same way so I 

559
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,300
played basketball in college and
everything. 

560
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,900
So I've, you know, always had a 
pretty good metabolism. 

561
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,700
I've always been really active 
and everything. 

562
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:55,100
So you know, I've I can handle, 
you know, carbohydrates pretty 

563
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,300
well too. 
So for me, a serving of cheese 

564
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,900
or two servings of cheese, the 
minimal amount of carbs, it's 

565
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,400
in. 
There is probably not going to 

566
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,400
affect me. 
And I've kind of tested this 

567
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,300
myself, like I can get my carbs 
up. 

568
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000
A decent decent level and still 
stay in ketosis. 

569
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,400
But somebody else who You know, 
they're coming to the ketogenic 

570
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,500
diet and there may be obese or 
their experience. 

571
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,700
They know they have diabetes or 
they're very insulin resistant 

572
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,900
there, they might not be able to
handle those things. 

573
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
And for people like that, it 
might be better to cut out 

574
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,100
Dairy. 
But like, you know, usually on 

575
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,200
keto, the big conversation with 
Darius cheese. 

576
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,400
There's actually a lot of pretty
good alternatives to it. 

577
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,500
Like actually have almond cheese
now which is pretty decent so 

578
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,800
you can actually cut those 
things out and not really you 

579
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,700
know, miss out on too much in of
the Cheese's because I love 

580
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,400
cheese man. 
Sometime, I mean cheese is great

581
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,900
because it's like if you get a 
super hard like parmesan cheese,

582
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,900
you know, it's part of the heart
of the cheese. 

583
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,000
The less lactose, right? 
Yeah. 

584
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,300
So the harder and the I've also 
heard the longer that it's aged 

585
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:53,700
too. 
So if it's been aged longer, 

586
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:57,000
there's less lactose in it and I
mean, you can get like, a really

587
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,800
aged hard, you know, parmesan or
something like that, and you 

588
00:28:00,808 --> 00:28:01,700
don't even need to really keep 
it. 

589
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,900
Refrigerated you guys like, take
that with you. 

590
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,900
So it's like a really good go 
to, you know, traveling food 

591
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,600
option. 
And I don't know, like, I just 

592
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,700
Cheese but yeah, I think I think
the butter also didn't have very

593
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,700
much like toes so you know, hard
cheeses and butters people can 

594
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,100
get away with that with. 
I think much minimal effect that

595
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
I've also been trying to steer 
clear if the shredded cheese 

596
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,600
because they often times put 
that anti-caking agent on there 

597
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,300
which is going to you know, 
potentially spike, your insulin 

598
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,900
levels. 
Yeah. 

599
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,700
And that's a big thing too. 
Is like, you're looking at it, 

600
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,800
you really have to look at the 
ngrick because people always ask

601
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,800
like what source of cheese is 
the best and it really depends 

602
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,900
on where you're getting it from.
Like, you know, there's a lot of

603
00:28:38,908 --> 00:28:41,300
cheese has a Of people that put 
fillers in their cheese. 

604
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,600
A lot of people that, you know, 
if you're getting like low-fat 

605
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,800
cheese, usually anything this 
low-fat means that they probably

606
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,700
incorporate carbohydrates into 
it. 

607
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,800
So, that's why it's important to
always look at, you know, the 

608
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,600
label on stuff and see what 
you're getting. 

609
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,100
And like, you said, you know, 
the harder Cheese's in the dirt 

610
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,900
and the longer they've been aged
for. 

611
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:00,800
Those are going to be your best 
options on keto. 

612
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,500
Very cool. 
What what other kind of know 

613
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,700
what are some of your go-to meal
options? 

614
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,100
I guess because there's a lot of
people in the first, what the 

615
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,100
damage is. 
They just feel really limited, 

616
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,500
but it's far from the truth. 
I mean, you can make a recipe 

617
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,000
for anything. 
But I mean, what are some of the

618
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,500
lesser-known food items that you
go to? 

619
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,200
Yeah. 
So I actually so, you know, kind

620
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200
of my normal protocol, is I fast
about 16 hours a day. 

621
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,100
I do that strictly for the 
cognitive benefit of it. 

622
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,400
I get the majority of my work 
done in the morning. 

623
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,500
So I like fasting during that 
time, but my, you know, my go-to

624
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,200
normal meals is, I really like 
eggs and bacon. 

625
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Obviously, I have not gotten 
Sick of that. 

626
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,700
And I really like top salads, 
like Cobb salad is my go-to 

627
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:46,600
because that's like the most 
keto friendly salad. 

628
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,700
There is it's got, you know, egg
bacon, you know, there's chicken

629
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,000
in it. 
Blue cheese, you know, dressing 

630
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
all that. 
But you know some of the Lesser 

631
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
known ones that a lot of people 
don't usually talk about any. 

632
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600
Well it used to be popular a few
years ago, when dr. 

633
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,100
D'Agostino brought up the like 
sardines or like one of my 

634
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:06,000
favorite foods, I really thought
like it's, you know, a lot of 

635
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,500
people are kind of turned off to
him but I really like sardines. 

636
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,700
There's a Health benefits to 
them. 

637
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,500
And you know, most times they're
packed with what they're packed 

638
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:14,700
in. 
There's a lot of sodium with 

639
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,100
them. 
So being somebody, that is 

640
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:19,300
pretty active and plays, you 
know, basketball few times a 

641
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,600
week like getting that extra 
sodium's, pretty good. 

642
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,500
So, you know, I really like 
sardines and then, you know, 

643
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,100
cooking wise stubb that my big 
thing right now. 

644
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,200
And here we just talked about 
cheese. 

645
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,800
So I kind of brings it up a 
Fathead do. 

646
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,100
And we've talked about this in 
the past, like a bad head. 

647
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,000
These, those are like my go-to 
right now. 

648
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:38,000
Yeah, those are hard to beat, 
for sure. 

649
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Yeah. 
Very I'll be speaking on 

650
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,400
sardines, man. 
I'd I get those Wild Planet 

651
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,500
sardines. 
Yeah. 

652
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,800
And I just totally on a whim, I 
added almond butter to the 

653
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,100
sardines, I got open up the 
candidate. 

654
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,600
Almond butter to it, and that 
light really made the ratio is 

655
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,800
perfect. 
As by themselves, they have a 

656
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,200
higher protein ratio. 
Yeah, but like, 2 tablespoons, 

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000
almond butter. 
You would think that be really 

658
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,700
weird, but like, the salt, the 
almond butter, like combines 

659
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,700
with olive oil and it just makes
it delicious. 

660
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,400
I'm going to have to try that 
right away because one of the 

661
00:31:07,408 --> 00:31:09,600
big things that I do and I'll 
post it on my personal. 

662
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,700
Account sometimes and I'll like,
I'll put it on my store and 

663
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,600
people always like, ask me what 
the heck I'm doing, but I put 

664
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,300
almond butter on eggs. 
That's a big thing that I do 

665
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:21,000
too. 
And I, so it's the kind of that 

666
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:23,700
sweet salty combination going 
on. 

667
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:25,800
I'm gonna definitely have to try
that first sardines, that sounds

668
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800
really good. 
Yeah, and like those the f bomb 

669
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,700
package he ever eat those. 
Yeah. 

670
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:31,900
The macadamia nut butter. 
Yeah. 

671
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,700
Like, I'll have a can of 
sardines. 

672
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,400
I'll have one of those in my bag
and I mean, they're both 

673
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,800
portable. 
So you can just take that and 

674
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,600
you have a perfect keto ratio, 
right? 

675
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:44,000
They're on the go hard to be. 
Yeah, I felt bombs really good. 

676
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
I had some of their stuff. 
When I was out at sake, 

677
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,700
gioconda, slasher, that was kind
of first time I got to try them.

678
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,200
There's, there's such great, but
the, and that's kind of the big 

679
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,000
thing with, like, what kito's 
doing right now. 

680
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Like, there's so many of these 
awesome on-the-go options for 

681
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
people. 
Like there's really no excuse 

682
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,900
anymore for, you know, failing 
on keto when you travel and 

683
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,000
stuff because there's so many 
options like that available. 

684
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,600
Yeah I totally agree. 
So let's talk about Isaac's 

685
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,100
gonna ask you something else 
about food what was it I don't 

686
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,000
remember, I don't remember. 
Anyways, we'll come back to that

687
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:18,500
but I really like to dive into 
supplements because I want to 

688
00:32:18,508 --> 00:32:20,900
get behind the science of it but
I want to preface this 

689
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,200
conversation with. 
I think you and I are both in 

690
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,300
agreement that nutrition is far 
and above supplementation. 

691
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:32,500
People often times get that 
backwards but I think we can 

692
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,000
both agree on that. 
Yeah I know that's that's the 

693
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,300
biggest thing with in any diet 
but especially in Quito every a 

694
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,200
Men should be what exactly what 
it is. 

695
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,500
It should be a supplement to 
your diet and it should be. 

696
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,500
You know, there's certain 
supplements that can help you 

697
00:32:46,508 --> 00:32:48,900
know, get you to the point where
you have a well-formulated 

698
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:51,900
ketogenic diet but if you don't 
have the nutrition down path and

699
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,600
you know any supplement that 
you're looking at, it's not 

700
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,400
going to matter. 
Yeah, exactly. 

701
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,200
I don't like branched chain. 
Amino acids are super hot right 

702
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,200
now. 
There's been a lot of research 

703
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400
coming out that they are 
effective. 

704
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,300
There's some research come out, 
they're not effective. 

705
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,500
Like well, what is your what is 
your take on branched chains? 

706
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,700
Yeah, so well. 
Guessing, you know, the to take 

707
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,400
sorry, you know, the question of
are they effective, aren't they?

708
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,200
And then you know for keto, 
what's the deal with the 

709
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
research seems to be, you know, 
I've I know recently, there's 

710
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600
been more coming out about them,
maybe saying that they're not as

711
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,400
beneficial, but I know that you 
know, when I was going through 

712
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,500
grad school and stuff, there was
a ton of research out there 

713
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:32,100
showing how taking making sure 
that you have enough leucine, 

714
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:36,000
hit the threshold to stimulate 
muscle protein synthesis is 

715
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,800
beneficial. 
And, you know, a lot of people 

716
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000
claim that, you know, having 
being branched-chain amino acids

717
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,200
before your workout can, you 
know, help give you a lot of 

718
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:45,900
energy. 
So I think that, you know, I do 

719
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,400
think that they're an effective 
supplement for people to take 

720
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,200
the question becomes what about 
on keto? 

721
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,300
Because, you know, leucine is, 
it's a ketogenic and a 

722
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,300
gluconeogenic amino acid. 
So that means it can be 

723
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:01,600
converted to ketones or glucose.
So a lot of people wonder like, 

724
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,100
you know, will I get kicked out 
of Quito taking BCAAs? 

725
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,100
One of the, the biggest things I
always tell people, is that 

726
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:09,600
there's actually been some 
research out. 

727
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,699
I knew that if you take leucine 
before workout, the workout can 

728
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:16,500
actually belonged the insulin 
response that could maybe come 

729
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,600
from from taking Lucy nor BCAAs.
So I always tell people if 

730
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,100
you're going to do BCAAs on a 
kid Jack that you probably want 

731
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:26,000
to keep them either pre workout 
or intra workout when you use 

732
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,300
them. 
What about, what would you 

733
00:34:28,308 --> 00:34:30,400
recommend having like a branch 
chain or just getting like a 

734
00:34:30,408 --> 00:34:34,000
pure grade leucine? 
I would say Branch chain. 

735
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,100
Now, I'm kind of drawing a blank
on it because I've been out of 

736
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,100
it for a little while, but I 
know there was some research at 

737
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:42,600
one point talking about how like
the I thought it was about how 

738
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,400
the other the other amino acids 
can help with like the uptake of

739
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,500
the leucine or something like 
that. 

740
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,600
But there's also a lot of 
benefits to the other one. 

741
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,199
So, you know, I think that, you 
know, having both the end of 

742
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,200
BCAA are all having all three in
the BCA mix is probably most 

743
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,200
beneficial but I wouldn't 
consider myself to be like the 

744
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,100
expert on that and I know a lot 
of the the pre workouts have 

745
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:09,100
like beta alanine there but 
that's much more glucose glucose

746
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,700
genic than the ketogenic. 
So I try and steer clear of a 

747
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,500
leaning like as a standalone 
supplement. 

748
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,300
Yeah. 
And you know the other thing too

749
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:21,000
is like with beta alanine is a 
lot of like you know this is 

750
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,300
kind of another conversation but
a lot of products they actually 

751
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,400
they they sometimes they'll 
fairy dust the the beta-alanine 

752
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,700
they'll go like a ton of niacin 
and it just to like make you get

753
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,900
that feeling. 
I'm actually just not a big fan 

754
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,800
of Fatality myself. 
I my body doesn't respond well 

755
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,600
to it, but I've actually never 
tested my ketones afterwards to 

756
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,800
see if there's any impact, I 
have you tested it all. 

757
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,200
When taking it, I haven't taken 
the large enough dose Standalone

758
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,900
to be able to really get an 
accurate control and Baseline. 

759
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,500
That would be interesting to do 
that. 

760
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:52,100
I should do that. 
Yeah, I'd be curious about that 

761
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,100
because I know like, you know, 
there's a lot of research out 

762
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,000
there about showing how even 
acutely. 

763
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
It can really increase your 
strength and, you know, I've in 

764
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,400
the past whenever I've taken 
I've experienced that but But 

765
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,600
I'm not a big fan of the way 
that I feel on it. 

766
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,800
I don't really like the the 
tingling feel the face and 

767
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,300
everything that you get from 
taking it. 

768
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,000
But yeah I'd be curious to see 
like what the glucose response 

769
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,700
is on that because you know 
you're still taking it in a you 

770
00:36:13,707 --> 00:36:16,900
know if you consider you know I 
think the dose for it is maybe 

771
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:18,900
is it three grams mayor, gram 
and a half? 

772
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:21,300
Something like that. 
Yeah, three grams 3 grams of six

773
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:22,600
grams. 
It kind of varies depending on 

774
00:36:22,607 --> 00:36:24,700
what supplement me, you didn't. 
Yeah. 

775
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,600
So I would be curious to know if
three grams of it, you know? 

776
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Would be enough to kick you out.
I think that'd be a good thing 

777
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,000
to test. 
Yeah, I agree that. 

778
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,300
Put that on my to-do list. 
Yeah. 

779
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,200
What about what about like 
vitamin D3? 

780
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,800
There's been a lot of. 
I think Rhonda. 

781
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,900
Patrick came out with a study 
that indicated, you need a lot 

782
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,800
more than his generally 
recommended. 

783
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,500
Yeah, and that's, especially 
true. 

784
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:49,100
I think vitamin D vitamin D3 
something that I've taken for 

785
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:53,700
the last probably four years, 
and that's especially true for 

786
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,200
people who live and, like, I 
live in Florida now. 

787
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,900
So I get a little more access to
son, then a lot of people but, 

788
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,500
you know, if you're, you know, 
living up in like I'm Originally

789
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,200
from the Midwest and you know, 
you are you go up there and you 

790
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,400
talk about, you know, being dark
and gloomy for four to six 

791
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,500
months out of the year. 
You know, that can lead to a lot

792
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,700
of like seasonal depression 
disorders and have like, you 

793
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,400
know, there's even a lot of 
stuff with like, you know, 

794
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,900
having low vitamin D and 
testosterone and stuff like 

795
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,800
that. 
So, I'm a big fan of vitamin D. 

796
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:23,800
It's, it's kind of one of those 
ones. 

797
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Like it's funny when you look 
up, you know, vitamin, are you 

798
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,500
look up supplements to take an 
occasional diet, vitamin D, 

799
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,600
always pops up and people always
kind of wonder why And it's just

800
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,300
because if you're trying to 
optimize your diet your health 

801
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,600
regardless of what diet you're 
on, you should be taking vitamin

802
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,900
D. 
What is it? 

803
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:44,500
Good like right now I think I'm 
taking 12 to 5000 IU pills a 

804
00:37:44,508 --> 00:37:46,200
day. 
What is a good number to shoot 

805
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,900
for? 
That's a good question you. 

806
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,300
I don't know if I know the 
actual efficacious dose for 

807
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,700
vitamin D. 
I know that most like, the 

808
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:56,700
supplement that I take it comes 
in. 

809
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,000
It's a 5000 IU pill but I don't 
like I don't worry. 

810
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,600
Not too much because I'm 
getting, you know, a decent 

811
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,100
amount of sun down here in 
Florida. 

812
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,800
So I've never had to worry about
you know, making sure that I'm 

813
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,600
getting enough. 
I would have to check that out. 

814
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,100
I'm not sure what the 
efficacious dose is for that. 

815
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,900
Yeah, it's interesting that I 
don't know myself impatient has 

816
00:38:17,908 --> 00:38:20,400
been cut down, but I've got now.
I'm trying to just get like a 

817
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,900
good vitamin D. 
I've been pretty lacks with my 

818
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:25,300
brain changes. 
Probably picked it up a little 

819
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,600
bit more and then I don't think 
I've been pretty like some like 

820
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,700
creatine monohydrate to as 
probably be more consistent with

821
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,700
that. 
But I mean honestly Like my 

822
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:35,000
supplementation is pretty 
minimal with keto. 

823
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Have you have you dove into 
adaptogens at all? 

824
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,100
No. 
Yeah. 

825
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,100
So like I'm sure you've heard of
have you heard of like 

826
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,800
ashwagandha and stuff like that?
Yeah, I've heard of it. 

827
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,300
I've kind of, like, I've tried 
set that has some of it in 

828
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,700
there, but I've never taken like
ashwagandha as a standalone. 

829
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,000
Yeah. 
So that's the two. 

830
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,800
The two biggest like, or I would
say because, you know, before at

831
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,300
my supplementation was always 
centered around, you know, like,

832
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:02,300
like, I still take creatine, I 
don't really usually We do 

833
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,100
BCAAs, but it was always like, 
you know, pre workouts and all 

834
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,700
that kind of stuff. 
Now I take a lot of stuff that, 

835
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,000
you know, it all. 
So not only does it improve like

836
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,600
sports performance, but also has
a lot of benefits to health and 

837
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,900
like, ashwagandha is actually 
one of my favorite supplements 

838
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:19,900
that I take. 
So it's like it's an adaptogen 

839
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,200
that adaptogens basically. 
Like if you look at their 

840
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,100
benefits it's a really long list
because they can, you know what 

841
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,000
an adaptogen does is it comes in
and like it sounds it adapts to 

842
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
your body. 
So it kind of Things where you 

843
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,800
need to wear something, is off 
and work, and like provide 

844
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,200
benefit and it does that. 
So, it's actually, like, it's 

845
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,600
been studied extensively for, 
like, people that are dealing 

846
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,100
with, like, Stress and Anxiety, 
but there's also a lot of stuff 

847
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,100
on improving sleep. 
It's about large loss stuff on 

848
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,300
it, increasing my testosterone 
levels and improving athletic 

849
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,400
performance. 
So that's a big one that I take 

850
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
and then another adaptogen I 
take is Rodeo over Isaiah. 

851
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200
So those are the two big ones 
that I take those every single 

852
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,900
day. 
I've taken rhodiola before, and 

853
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,700
I like that a lot. 
Like it's a because I tried to 

854
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,100
face off of caffeine for a 
while, and I would try and get 

855
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:12,100
something like that, that that 
stimulates, you know, my my 

856
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:15,100
mental Clarity and energy 
without having the caffeine load

857
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,000
and Rodeo like I can tell pretty
effective. 

858
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,000
It was pretty effective. 
What because I mean some of 

859
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
those like are much higher 
quality than others, what would 

860
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,600
be a good recommendation for 
like an ashwagandha rhodiola 

861
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,900
supplement? 
So though the two, the two been 

862
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,900
like the best one of the best 
ashwagandha is, I think are the 

863
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:36,900
sensor real ashwagandha and then
KSM 66. 

864
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,900
So KSM. 66 is the only one that 
I've taken, but it's if you see 

865
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,500
anything and it has case I'm 66,
it means that it has the right 

866
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:49,000
percentage of the extracts from 
the ashwagandha plant because 

867
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,600
ashwagandha is a plant. 
So it has the right percentage 

868
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600
of that off the top of my head. 
I don't know what those 

869
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,400
percentages are, but if you see 
KSM 66, that means that it has 

870
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,000
those percentages. 
So that's the And a lot of times

871
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,100
you won't see that, like 
sometimes they'll just have the 

872
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,800
straight plant extract. 
And if you do, if you just take 

873
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,500
that, you're not going to be 
getting enough of the beneficial

874
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:14,700
parts of the of ashwagandha. 
So I've also heard a lot of good

875
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,100
people, talk about like one of 
my good friends. 

876
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,200
Sean Wells talks a lot about 
like sensor, real ashwagandha as

877
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,800
well. 
I've never taken it, but I can 

878
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,800
definitely attest to the KSM 66 
as being pretty awesome. 

879
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Check that out for sure. 
I really like like the the 

880
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,700
cognitive enhancement, you know,
neuro. 

881
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,500
Like a I use mushrooms are 
really hot right now. 

882
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:37,100
There's a lot of benefits cloud 
from mushroom. 

883
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:41,400
So I'll try like the cordyceps, 
the, you know, lion's mane, the 

884
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000
chaga, like those the for Sigma 
attic. 

885
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,400
Coffee of you. 
Tried that before. 

886
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,800
Yeah. 
So I tried forcing Matt coffee. 

887
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Like probably it was it was 
actually about a year ago 

888
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,900
because I was trying to wean off
my caffeine too and I think if 

889
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,600
I'm not mistaken there's only 
like 40 milligrams or something 

890
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,900
like that. 
Something in there. 

891
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,800
Yeah. 
So I was you know, when I was 

892
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,400
going through grad school, I was
I was taking a lot of caffeine 

893
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,700
to get through the day. 
Day and everything. 

894
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:07,000
And when I switch to that and I 
was like in totally impressed 

895
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
with how I felt on it and that 
really got me into it. 

896
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,800
And so I've taken the cordyceps 
chaga and then the lion's mane 

897
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,800
which I think lion's mane is the
one that's becoming most popular

898
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200
now because it's kind of fallen 
into that, like nootropic Realm.

899
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,700
A lot of people are talking 
about it. 

900
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,700
I've never taken it as a 
standalone though, I've only 

901
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,700
taken those. 
I actually I take that back. 

902
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,400
So I've taken those in the 
forcing Mac but also have you 

903
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,000
heard Of, I'm drawing a blank on
the company. 

904
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Now, there's a, there's a 
company that have you seen the 

905
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
company that does the emulsified
MCT oil on it? 

906
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,900
No, it's not on the on. 
It has it too. 

907
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,700
I'm gonna have to look it up now
because I want everybody to know

908
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:54,000
about is pretty good. 
It's but basically what they 

909
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,600
have a supplement that I came 
across last year or not last 

910
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,700
year but last month it actually 
has ashwagandha. 

911
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,400
And I think it's Cordyceps, 
Mushroom in it. 

912
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,900
And I think it's, it's also got.
It might even have a rhodiola in

913
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,100
it, but it's like a really good 
supplement to take like 

914
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:11,700
pre-workout. 
So I actually just started 

915
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:18,000
taking that and I love the, the 
benefits I've seen from that 12.

916
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,800
So cordyceps has its natural 
force. 

917
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,400
That's the company natural 
force. 

918
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,100
Okay? 
Yeah. 

919
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:24,500
So, they have a couple different
products, but, yeah, one of 

920
00:43:24,508 --> 00:43:27,200
them, they combine ashwagandha 
with cordyceps, mushroom. 

921
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,400
And like, that's not only like a
boost for your, for, you know, 

922
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Clarity and everything but also 
provides a great athletic boost 

923
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,100
as well. 
And describe, like compare the 

924
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,300
feeling you get with that versus
like what you would get from, 

925
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,700
you know, 200 mg of caffeine 
pill or like a pre-workout. 

926
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000
I think it's a little bit more 
even Keel and, and not as like 

927
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
robust. 
So, you know if you if you take 

928
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,300
200 mg of caffeine, you're going
to kind of get a spike where you

929
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,000
might, you know, feel great for 
a short period of time, and then

930
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,400
you're probably going to have a 
come down. 

931
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
I've never experienced. 
That one taking any of these 

932
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,500
things, it's more sustainable 
and it's, you know, it's not 

933
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:09,600
like, you know, there's not 
going to be as much Jitters and 

934
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,800
stuff because it's not as 
stimulatory as like caffeine is.

935
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,600
So those are I like taking those
instead of caffeine? 

936
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,600
But actually another you know, 
while we're on that topic. 

937
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Another great replacement to 
caffeine is have you ever heard 

938
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
of tea crime? 
I've heard of it. 

939
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
I'm not used it. 
I've been I've been meaning to 

940
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,900
try it. 
Is there a recommendation video?

941
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,300
Yeah, so I know that there's a 
there's a few Out there and 

942
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:37,200
there's there's a couple 
patented ones, I think T crack 

943
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,100
has Thea crying. 
I think it's pronounced via 

944
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,800
crying is the cell phone book. 
T crime is the one. 

945
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,900
It's the patented version of one
of the formulations and there's 

946
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,400
a lot of really good research 
out there. 

947
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,700
Showing that it actually 
provides similar cognitive and 

948
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:53,600
performance benefits as 
caffeine. 

949
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,800
But without like the increases 
in like heart rate, without like

950
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,000
the, you know, increase in like 
blood pressure and all that 

951
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,200
stuff, and you actually There's 
been a lot of research showing 

952
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,700
that you don't become like 
desensitized to it like you do 

953
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,100
caffeine so you don't develop 
this tolerance to it. 

954
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,100
Yeah. 
That's a, if you're trying to 

955
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,900
wean off of caffeine, I would 
say that like, three of your 

956
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,400
house. 
A, my three things, if you're 

957
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
trying to wean off, caffeine 
would probably be like, T 

958
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,200
crying, rhodiola rosea, and 
then, like any of those, like 

959
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,600
lines mean, any of those 
mushrooms you're talking about? 

960
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:26,400
It's crazy. 
Like, I really like hell. 

961
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,400
All these companies are kind of 
moving towards a more holistic, 

962
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,900
you know, Natural Healthy 
sustainable. 

963
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,800
You know supplement list you go 
back and you look like at the 

964
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,700
supplements in the late 90s and 
early 2000. 

965
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:40,200
You'll read the label, just like
man this is death in a bottle. 

966
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800
Yeah I mean they're able to get 
it it's regulated a little more.

967
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,900
Now the only problem that I 
still see with a lot of submit 

968
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:50,100
companies is you know and it you
know from a business standpoint 

969
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,100
like it obviously makes sense 
but a lot of times what people 

970
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,900
do is they just they take those 
keywords that people know. 

971
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,300
I ashwagandha that's really 
popular right now or, you know, 

972
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,400
like citrulline or any of these 
like these Supplements 

973
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,800
ingredients that are popular, 
and they'll put them in there. 

974
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,900
So, to the average person that 
flips around, they look at the 

975
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,800
label, wo this, this, this and 
is in there, but a lot of times,

976
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,400
they don't put the efficacious 
dose in and it's because, you 

977
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,300
know, it's expensive to do 
things at high. 

978
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,900
Like a lot of these more natural
ingredients. 

979
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,900
Like, you know, if you're doing 
like Alpha GPC or any of that 

980
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,200
stuff like those are more 
expensive than, you know, 

981
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,400
creatine which is like, you 
know, pennies to put in 

982
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,200
something. 
So a lot of so, you know, I 

983
00:46:30,207 --> 00:46:32,500
always tell people like if 
you're looking to get If you're 

984
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,400
looking at like, you know, 
product look at what you're 

985
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,100
trying to get out of it, see 
what the ingredients are and 

986
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,100
make sure that there's enough in
it before you get it. 

987
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,300
Because if you know if not, 
you're just going to be buying 

988
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,200
something based on the keywords 
that they throw on the label 

989
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000
exactly. 
But a couple are getting better 

990
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
now though. 
You're right. 

991
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,700
And there's not a third party 
testing companies which you 

992
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,000
know, makes it much much more 
regulated. 

993
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:57,800
So let's talk about what you 
keep on line of supplements 

994
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
because it's this is good. 
What about MCT powders? 

995
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,800
MCT oil owls and you know, you 
got your, you break it down, you

996
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,700
got your C6 e, AC 10, C12 lauric
acid there at the bottom, how do

997
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:15,300
you use and Implement that? 
Yeah, so the biggest thing is I 

998
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:20,000
use both so I use MCT. 
I've actually been using more 

999
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,300
MCT powder lately than oil, 
which we can kind of touch on in

1000
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:25,100
a second what to look for with 
that. 

1001
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,300
But I just like it because now 
they've actually have some like 

1002
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:32,100
some fleet like the ballistic 
MCT powder that it's like Burn 

1003
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,300
everything. 
So they have some and like Quest

1004
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,600
has some and you know there's 
better tasting ones and they can

1005
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200
help make your shakes better and
everything but I use MCT and 

1006
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,200
coconut oil separately because 
there's benefits to each one. 

1007
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,900
Coconut oil has a higher 
percentage of the lauric acid, 

1008
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:52,400
like you were talking, Which 
lauric acid is isn't technically

1009
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,500
an MC. 
T it actually kind of Falls in 

1010
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:58,100
that middle ground of an MC t 
and a long chain triglyceride. 

1011
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,600
But what what lauric acid does 
is it provides a lot of 

1012
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,200
benefits. 
F it for like, antimicrobial, 

1013
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,700
antibacterial antiviral. 
And there's also system, right? 

1014
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,500
What's that didn't help? 
Also, like, boost your immune 

1015
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,800
system and whatnot? 
Yeah, yeah, actually, I 

1016
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,400
definately and there's actually 
some stuff showing that it can 

1017
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,300
provide a lot of brain benefit, 
like, dr. 

1018
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:21,400
Mary Newport, she has. 
She's doing a lot of research 

1019
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,700
showing that it can improve what
people who are suffering from 

1020
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:26,400
like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's
and stuff like that. 

1021
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,300
So, I'll take that for different
reasons. 

1022
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,800
But I'll also supplement with 
like MCT oil. 

1023
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,500
MCT oil powder, which you know, 
like you said, is more of your 

1024
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,800
C8, your C10. 
They even have C6 is out there 

1025
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,200
now. 
But, you know, that's going to 

1026
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,400
have a little bit higher 
concentration of actual MCTS. 

1027
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,500
So, you know, that can help give
you a little bit more of like a 

1028
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:49,500
boost and like, your Ketone 
production. 

1029
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,800
So and then, you know, even 
based off of that, they actually

1030
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,900
have like, you know, CH 
specifically which like, for 

1031
00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:01,100
people who don't know, like ca 
is going to be more ketogenic 

1032
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,500
than C10. 
Because it can be more rapidly 

1033
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,000
converted to ketones. 
At least that's what suggested, 

1034
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,400
there's not a ton of research 
out on it, but there is a little

1035
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,600
bit. 
So yeah, that's so there's, you 

1036
00:49:11,607 --> 00:49:14,000
know, there's reasons to taking 
both. 

1037
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,700
I like to incorporate it more. 
My like, I have like, a little 

1038
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:19,500
bit of a shake that I like to 
make, where I'll take. 

1039
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:23,000
Like, I'll do like bone broth 
protein or I'm sorry. 

1040
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,400
Collagen protein with like chia 
seeds, MCT oil powder, and then 

1041
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,100
I'll put like a little bit of 
coffee in it. 

1042
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,300
That's because that's one of my 
shakes I make. 

1043
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,600
But that's And the best way that
I like to use it. 

1044
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,100
And then like coconut oil, I 
really like to put on like, my 

1045
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,000
vegetables. 
Just to help, like, Flavor those

1046
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,500
up a little bit. 
But one of the big things with 

1047
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,800
MCT oil powder, if you're 
looking at it is when you, when 

1048
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,100
you play a powder, it's just 
like a like a when you play MCT 

1049
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:52,400
oil, it's just like, when you do
protein, you have to Plate it on

1050
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,800
something to have it turn into a
powder. 

1051
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:00,300
Some people actually will use 
like maltodextrine for their MCT

1052
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,800
oil powder, which it's going to 
be in Trace Amounts in there but

1053
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,300
it's not the most keto friendly.
So you want to look at like 

1054
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:12,200
companies like I know Quest they
played it on, I think soluble 

1055
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,500
corn fiber which is a lot more 
Kyo friendly than maltodextrine.

1056
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,000
It's actually very cute. 
So friendly. 

1057
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:21,100
So if you're using like an MCT 
oil powder, you want to make 

1058
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:23,700
sure that you're checking the 
label to see what like in that 

1059
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,000
small print at the bottom, what 
other ingredients are included 

1060
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,400
in. 
It definitely definitely 

1061
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,800
specially. 
There's a bunch coming out and 

1062
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,000
like Quest was one of the first 
that's what I use initially. 

1063
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:34,800
I don't know what perfect keto 
Place their zombie. 

1064
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,800
I don't even think they have any
carbs in that one. 

1065
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,800
Whereas you get some with the 
soluble corn fiber. 

1066
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,200
Yeah, that's right. 
I don't think they have you. 

1067
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,500
I've tried I've tried their MCT 
oil powder. 

1068
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,200
I thought was really good. 
I've tried a couple of their 

1069
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,700
stuff actually and I think it's 
great but I'm not sure exactly 

1070
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,600
what they use in their request 
is kind of been my go-to. 

1071
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,200
I really like that one and then 
you know the ballistic Ketone. 

1072
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,800
I've been using that a little 
bit too. 

1073
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,100
I think that's a pretty good 
one. 

1074
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,600
So those are kind of Been the 
go-to for me, I like the 

1075
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,100
patterns a lot. 
I used to use the oils but after

1076
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:09,400
I did 4 tablespoons at once, I 
don't use the oil seem like 

1077
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,200
yeah, I've had some accidents 
with it too. 

1078
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,500
You know, I've had always tell 
someone like one time, there's 

1079
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:17,000
one morning. 
I was heading out to go play 

1080
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
basketball and I didn't have a 
spoon. 

1081
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,200
So I just took a swig out the 
bottle and you know, soon as I 

1082
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,200
did it I realized I took too 
much and I paid for it later. 

1083
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,700
Yeah. 
But one of the interesting thing

1084
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:29,400
that we touched a little bit 
earlier one the interesting 

1085
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,100
things that's coming out the MCT
oil now is actually They have a 

1086
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,200
most defied MCT oil which blends
better with like coffee and in 

1087
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,800
Hot Products. 
So like the natural force. 

1088
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Like I was talking, I saw them 
at paleo FX and I got to try 

1089
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,900
some of their stuff and they 
actually have a flavored MCT oil

1090
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,100
that emulsifies in. 
So I think the one I tried was 

1091
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,300
French vanilla so you can 
actually put like french vanilla

1092
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:57,200
MCT in your coffee and rather 
than it like sitting on top. 

1093
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,900
Like most times when you put MCT
on your coffee it actually 

1094
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:03,300
Blends in well with it. 
Like that's pretty good. 

1095
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:06,200
Yeah it's pretty. 
I like I liked it a lot and I 

1096
00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:08,400
mean shoot if it tastes good 
that's a lot better just to 

1097
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,300
blend oil flavor for sure. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1098
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,800
Exactly. 
Well, what about we're going to 

1099
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,700
have to segue into? 
I won't talk about college in a 

1100
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,800
little bit, so, do you. 
You said you use collagen 

1101
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:23,200
peptides, do you like that? 
I mean, what are you using it 

1102
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,000
for mostly joints pop? 
Yeah, so I like it because, for 

1103
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000
one, I mean, to be honest, one 
of my biggest reasons for using 

1104
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,900
it is, I like to have a shake. 
In the middle of the day, just 

1105
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,500
as kind of like a keep myself 
feeling full in between meals 

1106
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:40,100
and stuff like that. 
And I've just really like the 

1107
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,400
way that I feel when I take the 
collagen, but there's a ton of 

1108
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,500
benefits to college in with, 
like an improving, you know, 

1109
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:48,600
your skin, Health hair, all of 
that stuff that I really like. 

1110
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,800
But, you know, previously at 
least in my experience is 

1111
00:52:51,808 --> 00:52:53,000
collagen protein. 
I've never. 

1112
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,700
Tasted very good. 
But now there's, there's some 

1113
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:59,500
pretty good tasting ones out 
there, so it's kind of more for 

1114
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:00,600
me. 
It's something that I you, I 

1115
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,700
know that there's a lot of help.
Benefits to it. 

1116
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,300
But I like to use it because, 
you know, it's going to be a lot

1117
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,700
more keto friendly than some of 
the other protein powders. 

1118
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,100
Yeah, for sure, Crystal has been
making them like she'd been 

1119
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,900
making these fat bombs and 
she'll put the collagen in the 

1120
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,400
fat bomb, along with her, like, 
Branch chain, amino acid, 

1121
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,600
powders, and everything. 
So it's all in the fat bomb and 

1122
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,900
so, it's wow, pretty easy and 
convenient. 

1123
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,300
Yeah, I was, you know, I've 
actually never cooked with it, 

1124
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:24,700
how does it? 
How does it mixer? 

1125
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:26,200
How does it cook compared to 
like way? 

1126
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,800
Because I know, like ways easier
to cook with them, like, I think

1127
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,700
ways easier to cook with them, 
like casein is Elgin pretty easy

1128
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:34,800
to do stuff with. 
Yeah, I don't know because I 

1129
00:53:34,808 --> 00:53:38,100
mean with some stuff like way 
you reach a certain temperature 

1130
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,100
and it destroys the the way you 
know molecule. 

1131
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,600
So you're not really going to 
get the benefit. 

1132
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,300
I don't know what the 
temperature is with collagen, 

1133
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:47,900
but with like the fat bombs, 
it's all just Frozen. 

1134
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:50,100
So I would assume that would 
help you know, that refined. 

1135
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,300
So yeah she like mix that with 
like some cream cheese or some 

1136
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:55,800
almond butter, put some of the 
branched-chain amino acid 

1137
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,900
powders in there. 
And then you know it tastes like

1138
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,100
a packet of Stevie or truvy or 
something. 

1139
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,700
It tastes fine, that's all. 
Mmm, delicious. 

1140
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:03,800
Oh, is that the sweetener you 
guys? 

1141
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,300
Usually use that you use like 
Stevia. 

1142
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Yeah, we'll get like a little 
trivia packets and I don't 

1143
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,600
really use them that much, but 
she will also show add, you 

1144
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,500
know, two packets to a coffee or
whatever. 

1145
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,500
But it's just a blend of stevia 
and erythritol, which I haven't 

1146
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:18,400
had any negative impact from 
some people. 

1147
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,900
I've got a pretty good tolerance
so I can handle sucralose really

1148
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:23,100
well. 
Like, I've never had any 

1149
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:28,300
negative effects from sucralose.
I don't do the ace K or anything

1150
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:31,800
like that, but Splenda 
erythritol monk fruit. 

1151
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,400
Steve you have all been fun with
yeah, yeah I agree. 

1152
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:40,100
What about let's talk let's go 
deep down the rabbit hole of 

1153
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:43,800
exogenous ketones because that's
super hot right now and yeah and

1154
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,900
honestly I don't know where I 
stand on that because like I 

1155
00:54:46,908 --> 00:54:48,900
didn't mind my prep. 
I got down to three and a half 

1156
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,900
percent body fat never once 
touched it. 

1157
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:55,400
So I know you can get lean 
without using them and you know,

1158
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,700
one of the arguments now is that
if you're supplementing with 

1159
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,100
things Legends ketones in the 
primary goal is to get leaner, 

1160
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,400
it might minimize your bodies. 
Zone ability to, you know, 

1161
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,100
produce ketones and burn, fat 
oxidation. 

1162
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,200
So I don't know if, if that's 
the case or what your take is on

1163
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,500
then. 
Yeah. 

1164
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,400
So you know, anytime you like 
her right now, it's kind of, 

1165
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,900
it's a little bit tough to talk 
about in the keto Community 

1166
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:20,100
because like, if for a lot of 
people like there's this divide 

1167
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,400
of like this whole key do you 
have to do, you know, Whole 

1168
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,900
Foods. 
Don't use any of these types of 

1169
00:55:25,908 --> 00:55:28,400
products and there's a people 
that are the other end of the 

1170
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,000
extreme and use these products 
and don't follow a great kid 

1171
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200
drank diet. 
When you fall in the middle, 

1172
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,000
what happens is both sides end 
up wanting to crucify. 

1173
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,400
You, but really, that's where I 
fall is kind of in the middle on

1174
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,500
it, there's benefits to taking 
Exotics ketones and there's a, 

1175
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,200
you know, there's a lot of 
therapeutic benefits and a lot 

1176
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,500
of research on the benefits of 
Exotics ketones. 

1177
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,700
But when you talk specifically 
about weight loss, everybody 

1178
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:56,000
likes to look at it as being 
black and white. 

1179
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:00,700
So and why that becomes 
difficult because my personal 

1180
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:04,100
take on it is, Know, if you're 
going into a training session 

1181
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,200
and you take exoticness ketones 
before your training session. 

1182
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Yes, you might not have to burn 
as much fat during that training

1183
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,800
session because you are 
providing yourself with exotic 

1184
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,800
substrate, you know. 
It would be no different than if

1185
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,200
you were to eat a big bowl. 
So fat before you train, if 

1186
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,600
that's readily available, you 
might not have to burn as much 

1187
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,700
fat in that training session, 
but if Exotics ketones are 

1188
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:30,300
increasing your energy and they 
increase your ability to, you 

1189
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:33,900
know, get at work out more. 
Tensley then they may help you 

1190
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,100
burn more fat. 
And even outside of that, 

1191
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,200
there's a ton of research with 
like exhaustion is ketones. 

1192
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,700
Being able to increase like 
mitochondrial biogenesis which 

1193
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,000
is basically just like the 
creation of mitochondria and 

1194
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,100
your and your the, you know, 
it's creating more mitochondria 

1195
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:52,600
in your body and when you can do
that, that increases your 

1196
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,400
capacity to burn fat. 
So a lot of people want to look 

1197
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,600
like, you know, even if you were
to end, it hasn't been looked 

1198
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,700
at, but even if you were to 
measure fat, Burning and take 

1199
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,900
exaggerated ketones and see that
acutely in the three hours, you 

1200
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:07,800
take them. 
You don't burn as much fat. 

1201
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,600
That doesn't mean that you're 
not making physiological 

1202
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,800
adaptations. 
That allow for better fat 

1203
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,900
burning long-term. 
So my biggest thing with them is

1204
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,800
that I think that they're not 
necessary. 

1205
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,000
They're not a requirement if 
you're doing keto but they can 

1206
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
be just like everything else we 
were talking about. 

1207
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,800
They can be a great supplement 
to a kid Jank diet, depending on

1208
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,600
what your goal is, if you're 
trying to exercise more So, they

1209
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,000
can probably help with that, you
know, if you're looking for a 

1210
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,100
way to increase, like your 
mental acuity or, you know, 

1211
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,100
mental focus and all that stuff,
they'll probably provide a lot 

1212
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:44,600
of benefit with that. 
But if you're looking to use 

1213
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,800
them as like a replacement to a 
following a ketogenic diet 

1214
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,600
nutritionally, then then, you 
know, you're definitely not 

1215
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,900
taking the right approach with 
them. 

1216
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,300
Yeah, I think I think the 
mistake people make is they put 

1217
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:59,100
too much emphasis on it and you 
know, I mean, the whole theory 

1218
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:01,300
of you can eat whatever you 
want, drink a drink and then be 

1219
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:03,600
in ketosis. 
Osis and 60 Minutes like that, 

1220
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,000
that kind of gripes me every 
time I hear, you know. 

1221
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,800
Yeah. 
And you know and the reason why 

1222
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,400
is because like it's just like 
what we talked about the 

1223
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,300
beginning of the show. 
It's like that they're not wrong

1224
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,800
in saying that it gets you into 
ketosis but it's a difference 

1225
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,800
between being in ketosis and 
being fat adapted and take the 

1226
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,500
like 100%. 
I've tested it myself. 

1227
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:24,300
You can take these products and 
have an increase in Ketone 

1228
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:27,200
levels in your blood but that 
does not mean that you are in 

1229
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,300
ketosis if you're not following 
the diet. 

1230
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:31,600
But, you know, one of the 
interesting things that these 

1231
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,300
things Can be used for, and I'm 
not a huge user of them like I 

1232
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:38,600
use them. 
You know, every once in a while,

1233
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,900
I've never been a regular user 
of them. 

1234
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,500
But, you know, one of the things
I do think could be really 

1235
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:46,700
beneficial is. 
When you first start keto, they 

1236
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:50,300
may be a great addition to help 
get you over the hump. 

1237
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,700
If you're somebody who's insulin
resistant or having a hard time 

1238
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:58,400
producing ketones taking them, 
maybe something that for one it 

1239
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,100
provides you with some ketones 
that might make you you know, 

1240
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:05,600
lower like Brain fog and reduce 
like keto, flu symptoms, but to 

1241
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:08,400
there's a lot of research out 
there showing that having 

1242
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,900
increased blood Ketone levels 
will help like upregulate the 

1243
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:15,100
Transporters that are 
responsible for bringing ketones

1244
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,900
into the cell. 
So if you can, you know, if you 

1245
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,500
first start keto, if you can get
your Ketone levels Higher by 

1246
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:24,600
taking usages ketones, you may 
be able to adapt quicker. 

1247
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:28,000
And, you know, that's been 
something that if I like I never

1248
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
push them on anybody that I work
with. 

1249
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,400
But if somebody is interested in
Kick them. 

1250
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,900
That's how I'll always kind of 
like in a vowel. 

1251
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:38,600
That's how I'll kind of like 
segue into it and tell them how 

1252
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,800
they should be taking them is 
because you know, using them as 

1253
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,800
like kind of an adjunct to get 
you through that adaptation 

1254
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,300
period. 
But you know like you said it's 

1255
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:52,300
they're not a necessity though. 
I think they're indirectly good 

1256
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:55,700
again to Q2 flu simply because 
they're all bound to minerals. 

1257
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,800
You know you get your sodium 
potassium calcium, which most 

1258
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,000
people don't take in enough of 
of when they're getting adapted.

1259
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,800
So by default you're going to be
getting more sodium potassium 

1260
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,700
and you're going to that's going
to minimize the effects of chi 

1261
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:09,800
to flow as well. 
Yeah. 

1262
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,000
And that's exactly right and 
that's why I like sometimes when

1263
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,700
people they do take it and they,
you know, talk about how great 

1264
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:19,300
they felt like during the 
adaptation period that could be 

1265
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:22,700
from the electrolytes because 
like sodium electric 

1266
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:25,200
deficiencies in particular. 
Sodium deficiencies. 

1267
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,200
In my opinion, from what I've 
seen are one of the biggest 

1268
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,700
reasons for like Tito flu 
because there's so many likes. 

1269
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:35,400
In terms of having like, sodium 
deficiency is, which is very, 

1270
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,600
very, it's almost a guarantee 
that it's going to happen when 

1271
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,100
you start keto and so that's 
yeah. 

1272
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:43,600
I like you said, that's another 
great way to get those those in 

1273
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,000
without having to just like pour
a lot of salt on your food and 

1274
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,300
stuff. 
It's kind of a good addition to 

1275
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:50,200
the ketones. 
Now what kind of sodium 

1276
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,700
potassium calcium or these these
exogenous ketones Bounty? 

1277
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:56,600
Because I mean like all sodium's
aren't created equal, right? 

1278
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,100
You get your iodized table salt,
you got your pink Himalayan 

1279
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:00,100
salt. 
Like is there a difference in 

1280
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:02,400
quality between the minerals 
that these He's exhausted 

1281
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,000
ketones are bound to or they all
same across the board. 

1282
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:07,800
That's a great question. 
I don't know that I know the 

1283
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,400
exact answer to that, but I know
that when you look at these 

1284
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,600
products when they list on the 
back there just listing sodium 

1285
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,600
as just na as sodium. 
Yeah, I you know, that's a good 

1286
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,800
question. 
I don't know what they're 

1287
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,600
actually using if they're using 
any of the patented ones. 

1288
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,200
Like I know there's like there's
go BHP and I think there's some 

1289
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,800
other like patented versions of 
the ketones. 

1290
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,300
Any of those I'm sure you could 
actually look up and see 

1291
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:32,500
exactly. 
They're using. 

1292
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,600
But if they're just using like 
beta-hydroxybutyrate bound to 

1293
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,600
sodium, calcium, potassium. 
I don't know that you could even

1294
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,200
tell what type that they're 
using. 

1295
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,200
Yeah. 
Since it's not, that's a good 

1296
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,000
point. 
That's actually something. 

1297
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,600
I'm probably gonna start 
researching now because I'm 

1298
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,600
really curious about that. 
I didn't think about that. 

1299
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,100
Yeah. 
Because I mean, I don't even 

1300
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:52,800
know if this is possible, but if
you had like a negligence Ketone

1301
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,300
Mountain like pink Himalayan 
salt. 

1302
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:57,300
That'd be the way to go. 
Actually, you know, that's in 

1303
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,100
her. 
I know a couple people that are,

1304
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:02,600
you know, pretty well rehearsed 
and the and The biochemistry 

1305
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,100
realm. 
I'm not quite as well rehearsing

1306
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,300
that, but I actually something I
want to ask is that would be. 

1307
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:09,100
That's a really interesting 
thing that you bring up. 

1308
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,100
Well, if you find anything out, 
and that's going to be our 

1309
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:12,800
business Endeavor. 
Right there, we're going to make

1310
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,200
a nice. 
I just keep telling men to Pink.

1311
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,000
So, I have to remove this 
portion of the segment, so, 

1312
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,600
somebody doesn't steal our idea.
Yeah, you heard it here first 

1313
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,500
people. 
So what about the difference 

1314
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,400
between, you know, exoticness 
ketones in the form of the 

1315
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,400
ketones? 
Salts versus the Esters, which 

1316
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,100
are not really in full 
production mode now, but they're

1317
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,100
making. 
Pretty good waves and getting 

1318
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:36,800
out there. 
Yeah, so for a while, one of the

1319
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,800
biggest things was that like the
Esters were not palatable at 

1320
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,700
all. 
I had tried the Esters 

1321
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,800
previously and they were 
horrible. 

1322
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,900
I mean, like you I think, was 
it, I forget who the person that

1323
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:52,700
it was on, like, Tim Ferriss 
podcast. 

1324
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:56,100
Talk about how they taste, like,
jet fuel, Peter TM was Peter. 

1325
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:59,100
It's yeah. 
So Peter teeth like a hundred 

1326
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:00,200
percent. 
That's what they taste like. 

1327
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,800
Like it's one of the worst. 
Seeing things that you can ever 

1328
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,500
have but I have had some more 
palatable versions but the other

1329
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:10,600
problem with the Esters is 
they've always been so expensive

1330
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,400
like a shot of them is that 
before Ike? 

1331
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,300
I mean the numbers for how much 
it cost for to make them and 

1332
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:18,100
then like what you'd have to 
sell them for was just 

1333
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:22,800
astronomical what I've seen now 
is that, you know, there is some

1334
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,100
stuff showing that like the 
salts can increase levels of 

1335
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:29,400
ketones. 
Similarly to the Esters. 

1336
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,800
There's a lot of And fourth 
right now. 

1337
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,100
Between some of the top keto 
doctors out there or the keto 

1338
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,700
researchers out there talking 
about how, you know, one might 

1339
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:44,100
be more closely mimicking what 
is produced naturally in the 

1340
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:47,300
body and the other one isn't. 
So maybe the one is safer than 

1341
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,200
the other. 
It seemed like done. 

1342
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,500
Racemic, a land deal. 
Yep, that's exactly, right. 

1343
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:53,900
Yeah. 
I didn't know how deep we want 

1344
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:55,400
to go down the rabbit hole on 
that. 

1345
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:58,800
But yeah, that's exactly right. 
And you know, the thing is, they

1346
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,600
actually they've now been able 
to formulate the salt too. 

1347
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,900
To be more closely mimicking, 
the mimicking, the Esther. 

1348
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:09,700
So it's really hard to say 
there's kind of a big divide but

1349
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,500
ultimately, the thing is, as the
Esters are still pretty 

1350
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:15,200
expensive to take. 
I'm pretty certain sure. 

1351
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,000
The last Esther I tried, I was 
still told that it was like 

1352
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,500
somewhere like a fifty to a 
hundred dollar shot. 

1353
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,800
So how like if I was in the lab 
and you were making this Ester, 

1354
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,800
like, what happens like what? 
What goes into play here to make

1355
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,000
an ester? 
That's a good question. 

1356
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,700
I don't know the esterification 
process. 

1357
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,900
Well, that would be another 
question. 

1358
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:38,600
I'd have to ask like, one of my 
biochemistry buddies, but yeah, 

1359
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:41,300
it's something that I researched
at one point, but I don't know 

1360
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:43,700
if I wouldn't consider myself to
be an expert on being able to 

1361
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:47,700
explain that. 
But it's, it's different than 

1362
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,100
like, when you when you talk 
about like the salts like those 

1363
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:55,700
are their binding, the the BHP 
molecule to a carrier molecule 

1364
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,000
like the sodium, the calcium 
potassium, all that stuff, but 

1365
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,700
I'm not 100% certain on how the 
Esterification process works for

1366
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,400
those. 
It's interesting. 

1367
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:09,600
What about like, when you when 
you took yours, what did you 

1368
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,500
notice in differently? 
How do you feel with it? 

1369
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,300
So when I took it, I noticed 
that it was a, how much did you 

1370
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:19,800
take? 
That's a good question. 

1371
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:22,600
I want to say when I took it 
because I've taken it, I've 

1372
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,600
taken it a couple times. 
I think I've taken 10 grams of 

1373
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,800
it before, and then I tried it 
recently at a conference and I 

1374
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,400
didn't I didn't. 
It was a shot that was pre-made.

1375
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,800
So I didn't know the amount that
was in it but what I noticed was

1376
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,300
it was definitely a more robust 
change initially but I didn't 

1377
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:46,800
notice as long-lasting. 
But the other thing is that a 

1378
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,400
lot of the Just Ketone products 
out there that are salts are 

1379
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,200
combined with other things, like
caffeine or things that may make

1380
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,700
those a little bit longer let 
the feeling a little bit longer 

1381
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:58,900
lasting as opposed to the Esther
just being the Esther. 

1382
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:01,100
So that was kind of what I know 
is. 

1383
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:04,000
But I did notice like, I mean, 
my Ketone mobile shot through 

1384
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,100
the roof. 
They were turned back to 

1385
01:06:06,107 --> 01:06:09,800
Baseline pretty quickly, but I 
did notice kind of like that you

1386
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,000
feeling of euphoria from taking 
it. 

1387
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,200
Yeah, I I took 60 grams. 
So, pretty good. 

1388
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,900
Pretty good dose and I noticed 
Just like a warming sensation 

1389
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,800
throughout my boards. 
You did you feel that way? 

1390
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:25,600
Yeah, definitely. 
It's it's almost like I'm trying

1391
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,300
to think about it to be honest. 
It's not too much different than

1392
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:30,700
taking a shot of alcohol. 
Like a kind of reminds me of 

1393
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:33,600
like intake, like whiskey or 
something like you get that 

1394
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,800
feeling again. 
Yeah. 

1395
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,600
Yeah. 
And you know, not necessarily in

1396
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,600
a bad way like not making you 
feel sick or anything. 

1397
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,900
But you, dude, I definitely do. 
Remember getting that feeling 

1398
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:44,700
when I took it. 
Yeah, I mean my ketones went 

1399
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:48,700
from like I think point for 24 
in like It was crazy. 

1400
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,100
Yeah. 
And then, but then, they, that's

1401
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:53,000
what I've noticed is that like I
think like if you were to look 

1402
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,800
at a graph and, you know, this 
is just speculation, but I think

1403
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,500
you would see that, like, you 
know, the Esther might go 

1404
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,700
straight up more like this but 
then the, you know, the, the 

1405
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,900
salts might be more like this, 
more of like a subtle change but

1406
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:08,900
then eventually, there, I think 
the peak is pretty similar on 

1407
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:11,000
both of them. 
But it also is probably 

1408
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
dependent on the individual. 
Yeah. 

1409
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,600
And probably in, there's so many
variables at play, like, what 

1410
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,500
you're doing with that time that
you've taken it. 

1411
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,700
It etcetera, Etc. 
Yum. 

1412
01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:23,600
So what battle of supplements in
that had talked about? 

1413
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,100
Okay? 
Is there any other that you 

1414
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:29,100
recommend or our youth? 
Yeah, so I guess the only other 

1415
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:33,000
ones that I use right now are 
other than, like, the adapters 

1416
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,500
is. 
Like, I talked about, I take a 

1417
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:39,400
couple times a week. 
I take a nighttime formula where

1418
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:45,100
it's I take a blend of its 
magnesium 3 and 8, which is 

1419
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,400
supposed to be the, the type of 
magnesium. 

1420
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,600
That's You're more specific to 
like, aiding in your sleep. 

1421
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,400
That, you know, a lot of times 
being deficient magnesium can be

1422
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,900
wide. 
Some people report, not getting 

1423
01:07:54,900 --> 01:08:01,100
great sleep on keto, so I take a
blend of that with Gaba and a 

1424
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:04,400
very low dose of Melatonin, but 
I only take that about three 

1425
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,100
times a week. 
It's just our two or three times

1426
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:07,300
a week. 
It's just when I'm trying to get

1427
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,800
like real deep sleep so that 
that's kind of one of. 

1428
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,800
That's three of my supplements. 
I take in my night stack and I 

1429
01:08:14,808 --> 01:08:18,200
also add 5-HTP to it. 
Have you ever taken 58 HTTP. 

1430
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:26,500
And so 5-HTP is it's a precursor
to serotonin so it can be like 

1431
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:29,100
for the reason why I take it is 
that it can help with sleep. 

1432
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,500
It can kind of help with like 
relaxing you a little bit giving

1433
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,200
you like you can help get you in
like a deeper state of sleep and

1434
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,300
stuff. 
So I take about 200 mg of that 

1435
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:40,200
before I go to bed, that was 
something that was recommended 

1436
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,200
to me, by Sean Wells, actually 
recommended that taking that one

1437
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,300
to me. 
So that that's kind of the other

1438
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:47,899
ones that I take. 
But other than that, I think 

1439
01:08:47,899 --> 01:08:50,899
that's that's pretty much the 
primary ones that I take. 

1440
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:54,399
Let's check out the 5-HTP. 
I, I've used melatonin, but I 

1441
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,800
always feel so much more groggy 
the next day with no. 

1442
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,700
Its own even in low doses. 
Yeah, so I try and not do that 

1443
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:02,399
so much. 
I've noticed though, that when 

1444
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:04,200
I'm keto I don't need as much 
sleep. 

1445
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:07,000
Like six hours is better than 
eight hours when I had carbs, 

1446
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:10,899
but yeah, I've been used to have
trouble falling asleep. 

1447
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:15,600
The the leaner, I get the less I
sleep for whatever reason, but 

1448
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,100
I'm not been having trouble 
sleeping. 

1449
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:19,500
Now, I've had, I've had trouble 
waking up. 

1450
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:21,399
I think it's because it's high 
protein, a much more tired in 

1451
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:22,399
the mornings for whatever 
reason. 

1452
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,500
Yeah, yeah, no. 
That's, that's something that I,

1453
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,399
there's actually, like a lot of 
reasons why you may require a 

1454
01:09:28,407 --> 01:09:33,300
lot less sleep on keto, but for 
me, it's like, I know I work a 

1455
01:09:33,308 --> 01:09:35,800
little bit of a crazy schedule, 
and I like to work late at 

1456
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,100
night, so I only take it, like, 
I play basketball, 3 days a week

1457
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,000
in the morning at like, 5:00 in 
the morning. 

1458
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,899
So, I won't take it before that 
because I'll either miss my 

1459
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:47,500
alarm at that time in the 
morning. 

1460
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:49,700
Or I'll be too groggy to want to
do anything. 

1461
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,399
So I'll only anytime I take like
gabo or melatonin I'm taking it 

1462
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,400
you know on a night where I can 
get a full eight hours of sleep 

1463
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:58,800
and but you know, same thing 
though. 

1464
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,100
I've definitely noticed it. 
Like, I don't require nearly as 

1465
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:02,800
much sleep on keto that I used 
to. 

1466
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,100
Yeah, that's good. 
How you doing on time? 

1467
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:06,900
I don't know what your schedule 
is. 

1468
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:08,800
Like I'm good. 
Whatever you need man. 

1469
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:09,800
I'm here. 
All right. 

1470
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,800
Sweet. 
I love to dive into you play 

1471
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,200
basketball. 
I'm a bodybuilder. 

1472
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,300
I love to talk. 
I mean, there's a whole lot of 

1473
01:10:16,308 --> 01:10:19,600
research out there for Ernst 
athletes using Ketone and I mean

1474
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,200
that's pretty much undisputable.
I think I think I mean you start

1475
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,100
tapping into that greater fuel 
reserve. 

1476
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:26,900
It just makes sense from an 
insurance perspective when it 

1477
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:29,400
comes to, you know, hypertrophy 
and muscle growth. 

1478
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,100
I'd love to kind of go into the 
Weeds about what the science is 

1479
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:37,500
showing, you know, as ketones. 
You know, are used for that 

1480
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:41,100
because like I don't know near 
as much science you don't, and 

1481
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:42,700
so I'd love to just get your 
piano, like, you know, 

1482
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:45,400
testosterone precursor, that's 
cholesterol and your cholesterol

1483
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,500
is likely going to be higher 
with ketones, the ketogenic diet

1484
01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:49,700
because you're in taking more 
fat. 

1485
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:51,600
So, in theory, you know, it 
makes sense. 

1486
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,900
You that more that growth 
hormone, but what else from like

1487
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:58,100
a hypertrophy standpoint. 
Yeah, so there's actually a lot 

1488
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:01,600
of research out there showing, 
you know, before we go straight 

1489
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,600
into muscle building, we could 
talk about muscle sparing 

1490
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:07,200
muscle. 
Sparing is one of the primary 

1491
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,800
features of a ketogenic diet 
It's kind of why you see people 

1492
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,000
being being able to go pretty 
hypo caloric and still being 

1493
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,500
able to maintain muscle mass 
while they're losing fat. 

1494
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,300
So ketones themselves are 
actually able to. 

1495
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:22,300
There's research showing that 
they can actually prevent the 

1496
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:25,300
breakdown of like leucine and 
other muscle proteins. 

1497
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,300
So you know, having a ketones 
available and being in a state 

1498
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:32,400
of ketosis is going to make it. 
So your body doesn't have to dip

1499
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,500
into those muscle proteins and 
it's going to, you know, prevent

1500
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:38,300
you from losing muscle mass, you
know, while you're going through

1501
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,400
like a diet In Phase, which is 
one of the reasons. 

1502
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,500
Why, so great for somebody like 
yourself doing bodybuilding and 

1503
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,700
somebody that's dieting down, 
you know, if you have to go 

1504
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:47,900
hypochlorite and your training 
and everything it's going to 

1505
01:11:47,907 --> 01:11:49,300
make it. 
So you don't lose a ton of 

1506
01:11:49,308 --> 01:11:52,400
muscle mass which you know, as 
being a natural body builder. 

1507
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,700
That can be a primary concern 
real quick. 

1508
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,900
One of the biggest concerns that
hear from other competitors as I

1509
01:11:58,907 --> 01:12:02,000
was doing this was you know 
carbs or muscle sparing carbs 

1510
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,000
and muscle sparing. 
Yeah carbs are muscle sparing 

1511
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,600
but I would argue that you know 
fat and ketones is even more 

1512
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,400
muscle sparing. 
Yeah, so I mean the biggest 

1513
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,500
thing you have to consider when 
you do that is that you have a 

1514
01:12:12,508 --> 01:12:15,700
limited carb storage. 
So you know, if you're dieting 

1515
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:18,600
down on a show and everything 
and you know, most people they 

1516
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,400
do is they take their carbs down
really low. 

1517
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,100
So if you're getting your carbs 
down low and you don't have 

1518
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:25,800
great glycogen stores and stuff 
you're not you're going to have 

1519
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,900
a much more limited availability
of that compared to your fat 

1520
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,700
stores, which even as a lean 
individual, you're going to 

1521
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:34,100
have, you know, a lean 
individual plus eating a 

1522
01:12:34,108 --> 01:12:36,500
ketogenic diet. 
With a lot of exhaustion is fat,

1523
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:38,800
you're going to have plenty of 
substrate to produce. 

1524
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:41,100
Ketones which can be muscle 
sparing. 

1525
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:44,900
So that's kind of the reason why
I think that they're better, you

1526
01:12:44,907 --> 01:12:45,500
know. 
Yeah. 

1527
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:47,400
Carbohydrates could have that 
same effect but you're going to 

1528
01:12:47,407 --> 01:12:49,700
have to eat them in abundance, 
which isn't going to be most 

1529
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:51,400
optimal for what you're trying 
to do with your body 

1530
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,100
composition. 
Exactly. 

1531
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,200
Yeah. 
And then, you know, to go the 

1532
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,500
other wreck route. 
Now, talk about muscle building,

1533
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,600
it's difficult because there 
hasn't been much research 

1534
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,000
showing in, this is why what 
you're doing is so interesting. 

1535
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,100
There hasn't been a lot of 
research showing being in a 

1536
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:08,800
calorie Surplus. 
I'm Quito. 

1537
01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:14,200
Which I don't necessarily think 
is crucial for hypertrophy on 

1538
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,000
keto because I've seen I've been
in a calorie deficit and I've 

1539
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,900
deck sudden seen increases in 
muscle mass and myself in a 

1540
01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:24,400
calorie deficit. 
But there's also research out 

1541
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,400
there showing that ketones have 
the ability to stimulate muscle 

1542
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,600
protein synthesis. 
So, you know, not only are they 

1543
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,600
limiting the breakdown of 
protein. 

1544
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,900
But they're also increasing 
muscle protein synthesis, which 

1545
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:38,800
is great because you know 
uncaging diet if you're going. 

1546
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:41,300
True Quito and your lower 
protein, you may not be 

1547
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:44,800
stimulating muscle protein 
synthesis from like the protein 

1548
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,600
in your diet. 
So the problem is, is there 

1549
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,900
hasn't been much research to 
back it up. 

1550
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,100
There has there's been virtually
None, Shall you know, looking at

1551
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:58,500
people and a surplus. 
So it's kind of more of a self 

1552
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:00,900
experimentation thing. 
But I can tell you like, from 

1553
01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:03,800
even a team like the 
ketogenic.com platform when we 

1554
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,300
post stuff talking about, like 
the muscle building effects of 

1555
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:10,500
Quito and like we get really 
Really, really strong feedback 

1556
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:13,500
from people who have been doing 
keto for a long time, talking 

1557
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,000
about how they seen tremendous 
gains in their muscle mass. 

1558
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:19,300
You know is it going to be you 
know for like somebody like 

1559
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:22,400
yourself doing bodybuilding 
isn't going to be as robust as 

1560
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,700
as somebody who's taking, you 
know, testosterone or taking, 

1561
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:29,200
you know, steroids and stuff? 
No, but for somebody who's doing

1562
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,700
things naturally, it can be a 
great way to maintain and build 

1563
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:34,400
muscle mass. 
And and I haven't had the 

1564
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,900
ability to like just test this 
throughout my whole process but 

1565
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:39,800
like my reasoning is Is that, I 
mean, if you're eating 

1566
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,100
carbohydrates, the insulin is 
produced, I'm an insulin is an 

1567
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,200
extreme growth factor, you know?
So you're going to you're going 

1568
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,100
to cause muscle growth with that
you're going to. 

1569
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:51,400
I mean, some people shoot up and
slim just to grow muscle, you 

1570
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,700
know? 
But you're going to have fat 

1571
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:54,500
growth as well. 
So, I mean, everything grows the

1572
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:57,500
instant cancer cell growth, I 
mean everything and correct me 

1573
01:14:57,500 --> 01:15:01,500
if I'm wrong any this, but what 
with with ketones with ketones, 

1574
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,300
I mean I'm building muscle and I
might not be building muscle at 

1575
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:07,800
quite the same rate that I would
with carbohydrates. 

1576
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,500
But when I cut down, I'm going 
to be maintaining that whereas, 

1577
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:13,500
if I was eating much carbs and 
cut down, I'd have to tap in and

1578
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:17,500
lose some of that muscle. 
So over time, I feel like while 

1579
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:19,200
I may not be gaining, it is 
fast. 

1580
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,700
I'm still trending Upward at a 
faster rate than if I was to go 

1581
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:25,600
up and down, cycle it with you, 
no carbs, through a bulk and cut

1582
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,700
season. 
Exactly. 

1583
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:32,300
Yeah, no. 100%, And that's, 
that's why I think that Quito is

1584
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:35,300
almost like the perfect couple 
with, with bodybuilding. 

1585
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,900
It's just, it's so hard because 
a lot of people, you know, the 

1586
01:15:38,907 --> 01:15:41,500
bodybuilding space, they don't 
want to be as restricted. 

1587
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,000
And, you know, obviously when 
you start talking about, you 

1588
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,900
know, getting in like, you know,
taking drugs and stuff that can 

1589
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:53,300
increase your muscle mass diet 
doesn't become as important. 

1590
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,200
But for somebody who's like 
trying to do things naturally, I

1591
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,700
think he knows the perfect storm
for a because not only is it 

1592
01:15:59,700 --> 01:16:02,100
going to be great for 
maintaining leanness in your off

1593
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:05,700
season it's going to allow you 
to like you said diet down and 

1594
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:07,900
maintain or maybe even build 
muscle mass. 

1595
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,200
There's been a lot of stuff 
showing that being in a calorie 

1596
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,900
deficit on keto, isn't going to 
be as harmful to your metabolism

1597
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:17,600
as being in a calorie deficit on
another diet. 

1598
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,500
There's also a lot of stuff 
showing that the, you know, 

1599
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:24,600
typically when you diet, you see
a big increase in your hunger 

1600
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,400
hormones, which is the reason 
why it's so hard to maintain 

1601
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,600
weight loss because your hunger 
hormones are going crazy but 

1602
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,700
there's actually a lot of 
research showing that occasional

1603
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:34,200
diet. 
Attenuates that increase in 

1604
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,800
hunger hormones, so it's kind of
The Perfect Storm for you being 

1605
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,100
able to come off of Of like a 
show prep and not be setting 

1606
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:43,700
because, you know, most people 
come off the show prep and 

1607
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:46,500
they're setting themselves up 
for Rapid fat gain, like it's 

1608
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,900
almost enough about Cravings or 
high, hungers up metabolism is 

1609
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:53,300
down, you know, their insulin 
resistant probably. 

1610
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:55,400
So that that's that's a great 
way. 

1611
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,400
And then also, when you talk 
about keto post competition, 

1612
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,500
like you were touching on 
earlier with like, having fat 

1613
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:04,700
for like hormone production, 
there's a lot of research out 

1614
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:07,100
there showing like bodybuilders 
and you know, their hormones 

1615
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:10,700
just tanking post competition. 
So, you know, being on a 

1616
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,700
ketogenic diet may also be able 
to help with the after-effects 

1617
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:14,900
of a show. 
So I think it's really The 

1618
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:17,100
Perfect Storm. 
And I mean, I agree completely. 

1619
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:19,900
That's that's why I'm set up to 
do this for the rest of my life.

1620
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:22,600
But I mean, like, it's crazy 
because so many people in that 

1621
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,500
Niche, they just want, you know,
Cycles are limited, you know, 

1622
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:29,400
they're not patient. 
So like yeah, they might get on 

1623
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,400
keto for like, you know, a month
or two prior to competition, a, 

1624
01:17:32,407 --> 01:17:34,600
to lose some body fat, but 
they're not even beginning to 

1625
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,500
tap into the full potential of 
the diet and most people don't 

1626
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,700
think in terms of What's the 
best thing for me over the 

1627
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:43,000
course of the next five, ten 
fifteen twenty years. 

1628
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:46,800
And I mean my way of thinking 
right now is like, I'm 26. 

1629
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,700
I'm he turned 26 this month. 
I'm thinking if I stay keto 

1630
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:54,300
continue to train hard, Candida 
diet clean, you know, I'll be 

1631
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:57,600
freaking Untouchable in 15 
years, you know, and that's just

1632
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,800
kind of the way I'm going about 
it. 

1633
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,200
So yeah, I mean, and like a lot 
of people like, you know, of 

1634
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:06,400
course you can, you can die down
and you can get lean, you can do

1635
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,700
it through taking things or 
doing different things. 

1636
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:11,500
Like you can do it without it, 
but when you talk about like 

1637
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:14,800
sustainability and actually 
looking at your health, like, 

1638
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:16,700
one of the biggest things in the
fitness industry is a lot of 

1639
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:19,500
people have lost sight of that. 
It's become more about 

1640
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:22,700
Aesthetics and not just about 
health and that's kind of what I

1641
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:24,900
really like about. 
Kiito's, that you can have both.

1642
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,800
Yeah, you don't have to, you 
don't have to sacrifice your 

1643
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,800
health to look good. 
And you don't have to sacrifice 

1644
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,700
looking good for your health. 
You can do both. 

1645
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,900
And, you know, that's something 
that unfortunately, when you 

1646
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:41,100
start looking at like social 
media, Tia and stuff on Jean all

1647
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:42,800
these different platforms. 
You start seeing that that's 

1648
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,100
almost been lost, and that's why
I think he do so great. 

1649
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:49,200
Yeah, I completely agree. 
I mean, when if a competitor was

1650
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,800
to truly believe that not only 
would their performance benefit,

1651
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,200
but I mean, their health as 
well. 

1652
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,500
I mean, it's just there's no 
question about it, man. 

1653
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:58,700
That's just the best alternative
for sure. 

1654
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:02,800
Absolutely. 
What about you know? 

1655
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,800
Much about like a, you know, 
hormones as it relates to male 

1656
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,300
and female because I mean I've 
got both male and female clients

1657
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:10,900
and they both Tend to react much
differently. 

1658
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:14,600
So I'd love to get your take on 
on how the difference is, you 

1659
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,300
know, compare their with keto. 
Yeah, so a lot of times you know

1660
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:24,200
for males at least I've seen a 
lot of positive changes in 

1661
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,600
hormones for males but one of 
the things that happens is the 

1662
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,800
people that you'll see reporting
like - changes in their hormones

1663
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,700
are people that either weren't 
following it strictly or they 

1664
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:38,400
were people who were doing like 
taking like a cyclic approach. 

1665
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:41,700
Or you know, doing taking some 
approach where they weren't 

1666
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:43,700
being as strict as they should 
have been. 

1667
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,400
I've seen great things from 
myself, from other people with 

1668
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,200
with hormones, from doing keto, 
not females. 

1669
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:54,600
One of the issues that comes 
into it is because like one of 

1670
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,800
the reasons why you won't see a 
ton of research on females with 

1671
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,700
the stuff is because I mean they
changed daily. 

1672
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,300
You know, they're almost like 
physiologically. 

1673
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:04,500
They're almost a different 
person every day with with the 

1674
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,700
fluctuations in their hormones. 
So it's hard to study this. 

1675
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,000
But you start seeing, there's a 
lot of people that are using 

1676
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,900
like ketogenic diet and they're 
able to get pregnant and they 

1677
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:19,500
weren't able to before, or they 
were suffering from PCOS, they 

1678
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:22,100
were suffering from all these 
different things and they start 

1679
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:24,800
seeing awesome stuff on keto. 
And I think what tends to happen

1680
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,400
with females is that they start 
to get a little bit more balance

1681
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:33,300
in their hormones and they start
not to see like you know as like

1682
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:35,600
maybe their menstrual cycle, 
start to become a little bit 

1683
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,200
more balanced out. 
I've seen that with a lot of 

1684
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,900
clients but The problem is, is a
lot of females don't get that 

1685
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:45,700
far because when they start that
drastic diet change can lead to 

1686
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,300
a lot of hormone fluctuations 
and it can make things go a 

1687
01:20:48,308 --> 01:20:50,600
little haywire. 
And then most women get either 

1688
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,800
discouraged or a little freaked 
out and they quit. 

1689
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:56,400
I'm sure you've seen that with a
lot of your clients to but it's 

1690
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,600
just kind of one of those things
like, you know, you got to stick

1691
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,400
with it because there's a lot of
anecdotal stuff out there about 

1692
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:05,300
women who tried for six years to
get pregnant. 

1693
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:07,600
They did keto for six months and
next thing they knew they were 

1694
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,800
able to get pregnant. 
So I mean I think that it's 

1695
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,000
great for them but you know, the
thing is, is the fluctuations in

1696
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,200
the hormones. 
For women could be one of the 

1697
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,700
reasons why it may be harder for
a woman for a girl to get in 

1698
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:22,300
ketosis. 
I know we've talked about that a

1699
01:21:22,308 --> 01:21:25,200
little bit before about, you 
know, sometimes like you 

1700
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,300
probably see with your female 
clients that, you know, getting 

1701
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:29,500
into a state of ketosis is a 
little more difficult than men, 

1702
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:31,500
right? 
It takes a little bit longer and

1703
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:35,000
they don't tend to see the rapid
weight loss as quickly because 

1704
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,300
it's just simply taking longer 
for their hormones to regulate. 

1705
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:39,500
Yeah. 
That's exactly right. 

1706
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:41,800
So, I mean and that's really 
nothing new. 

1707
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,500
I mean, if you look at, you 
know, any diet like it guys, 

1708
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:48,100
usually respond a lot better 
than women and like I said 

1709
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,700
that's just because, you know, 
they're just different everyday,

1710
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:53,500
like they have, you know, their 
Cravings that they're having 

1711
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:56,600
that, you know, for a guy might 
be attenuated just by getting in

1712
01:21:56,608 --> 01:22:00,300
a state of ketosis, that might 
not happen for a girl because of

1713
01:22:00,300 --> 01:22:03,300
fluctuations in their hormones. 
There's there's a lot of things 

1714
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:05,800
that can factor into that. 
So, you know, it can definitely 

1715
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,200
be a little more difficult when 
you first start out. 

1716
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,300
But I Like the hormonal benefits
for a woman on keto are 

1717
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:14,500
definitely robust. 
Yeah, she can't stick with it. 

1718
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,100
Yeah. 
What about cholesterol? 

1719
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,400
Do you know, much about 
cholesterol as relates to Quito?

1720
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,000
Because I know I mean, it seems 
to really I mean with Quito and 

1721
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,900
with any other that relates so 
much based off the individual, 

1722
01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:28,700
like my numbers have all 
improved and probably get 

1723
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:31,400
testing in the end of this much.
Just to keep a pulse on it. 

1724
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,400
But, you know, a lot of people, 
their LDL will increase but 

1725
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,900
that's not necessarily 
indicative of a bad thing with 

1726
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:39,000
keto. 
If all other markers Haven't 

1727
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,000
proved, right? 
Yeah. 

1728
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,500
So one of the things and like 
you said, perfectly, it's 

1729
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:47,300
different for everybody because 
I've seen both scenarios, some 

1730
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:50,700
people you'll see their total to
start their total cholesterol. 

1731
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:55,000
Go down on keto and you'll see 
that it's they're seeing an 

1732
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,600
increase in HDL. 
A decrease in LDL sometimes 

1733
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,500
you'll see total cholesterol go 
up and while still seeing an 

1734
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:05,900
increase in HDL and a decrease 
in LDL it's just that the HDL is

1735
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:09,500
increasing to a greater extent 
which is driving Of the total 

1736
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:12,800
cholesterol. 
Sometimes you do see an increase

1737
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,900
in LDL cholesterol, and I don't 
know, the reason why that 

1738
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:19,500
happens in some people. 
But one of the biggest things 

1739
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:23,500
that people fail to consider is 
they're not looking at particle 

1740
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:28,900
size when you do that. 
So vldl, which is, which is a 

1741
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:33,600
sub particle of LDL is actually 
a better indicator of like 

1742
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:36,600
atherosclerosis and all of these
other like cardiovascular 

1743
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,100
diseases. 
That is what a lot of people, 

1744
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:43,400
what I've seen in like, dr. 
Volks research is that he'll see

1745
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,200
that, like total cholesterol 
goes uphill, see an increase in 

1746
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:51,500
HDL and increase in LDL, but a 
decrease in vldl, which is a 

1747
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,300
better indicator. 
So, the problem is is if you go 

1748
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:57,900
and get blood work done, vldl is
more expensive to test. 

1749
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:00,800
And in fact, most times they 
don't even test LDL. 

1750
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,200
What they test is, they do total
cholesterol, then they'll do 

1751
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,500
HDL, and then they'll just 
subtract the two because it's 

1752
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:08,600
more expensive for them to do 
that. 

1753
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:12,300
So it definitely is. 
It depends on the person. 

1754
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:16,200
I've seen all three of those 
scenarios where, you know, I've 

1755
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,000
seen each one of those happen. 
One of the theories out there, 

1756
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,700
also on y, LD, L increases is 
that the body is trying to 

1757
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:28,300
maintain a certain ratio of HDL 
to LDL. 

1758
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,300
So, while your HDL increases on 
keto, your LDL has to increase 

1759
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,500
as well. 
So you do see that sometimes 

1760
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:39,600
too, but you know, that doesn't 
necessarily not as those 

1761
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,500
readings aren't as bad as what 
they used to be back in the day 

1762
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:44,000
when they used to. 
Just think, you know, total 

1763
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,800
cholesterol is high. 
That puts you at a higher risk 

1764
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,500
for heart attacks and stuff. 
That's definitely not the case. 

1765
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:51,200
Yeah, I don't remember what 
lecture was that. 

1766
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,100
Listen to basically ever saying 
that, you know, LDL becomes like

1767
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:57,400
energy Transporters and then as 
you're, you know, eating a 

1768
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,100
higher fat ratio, you have more 
energy to be transported. 

1769
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:02,300
So it by default is going to be 
increased. 

1770
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,800
Yeah, which makes you act like 
this. 

1771
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:07,200
No, it definitely makes sense. 
I mean, that's-- and that's-- 

1772
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:08,400
there. 
Why you might see the big 

1773
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,500
difference? 
To is that not everybody goes, 

1774
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,600
you know, as high fat on keto, 
some go higher than others. 

1775
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:17,900
Some people, you know, may be 
utilizing more stored fat for 

1776
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:20,700
Ketone production versus, you 
know, the dietary fat and 

1777
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:22,300
everything. 
So that all that stuff plays a 

1778
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:24,600
role. 
But I think getting blood work 

1779
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,900
is definitely one of the best 
things that you can do because 

1780
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,200
it's hard to know what's going 
on your body without getting 

1781
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,700
that done. 
And you know, there's definitely

1782
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:34,700
different ways to optimize your 
ketogenic diet based on those 

1783
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:36,300
results. 
So you want to always be getting

1784
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:38,500
that stuff looked at. 
So you're not just going to kind

1785
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:40,500
of Just so, you know, searching 
in the dark for what you should 

1786
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:42,800
do. 
So if somebody test and they 

1787
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,500
have an elevated LDL, what are 
some other markers look forward 

1788
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:49,400
to kind of like ease, the stress
levels anxiety. 

1789
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:53,100
Like if they have, you know, 
more of the, The Fluffy larger 

1790
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:56,400
LDL particles and I always tell 
them to look for C-reactive 

1791
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,900
protein to. 
Yeah, that's a big one too. 

1792
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,800
C reactive protein is great but 
I think that if you're looking 

1793
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,100
at your HDL and you're looking 
at your vldl, those are going to

1794
01:26:05,108 --> 01:26:08,100
be important. 
So if you're seeing that vldl is

1795
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,400
is Going in the right direction 
and HDL is going up, that's 

1796
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,100
going to help you better be a 
have a better indication of 

1797
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,900
what's going on rather than just
looking at LDL. 

1798
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:21,600
Because like you said that 
numbers, you know, it may have 

1799
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,300
to go up based on the changes in
the diet. 

1800
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:25,400
But C reactive protein is also a
great one. 

1801
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:28,400
And I think like looking at like
different like, you know, 

1802
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,400
looking at any markers of like, 
inflammation can also be 

1803
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,300
beneficial because, you know, 
that's kind of, that's a lot of 

1804
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,900
those things go hand-in-hand. 
And, you know, if you're doing 

1805
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:40,500
the ketogenic, Well, you should 
be reducing inflammation. 

1806
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:43,200
So that's something to consider 
to yeah for sure. 

1807
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:45,700
So much. 
Someone's interesting science 

1808
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:47,600
going on man. 
It's exciting, it's exciting. 

1809
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,300
Yeah. 
Well I could literally talk to 

1810
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:52,900
you all day long - it's been an 
hour and 25 minutes in this far 

1811
01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:55,200
though. 
So my time at kind of here for 

1812
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,700
anybody doesn't want the three 
hour version right Lily no I do 

1813
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:01,800
for you know if you ever wanna 
hop on do another one? 

1814
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,800
You know I'd be more than happy 
to come back. 

1815
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:06,000
Well for Sherman we get we got 
all kinds of stuff to talk 

1816
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,500
about. 
So where can people go to find 

1817
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:09,500
out more about you. 
All right. 

1818
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:12,100
So, yes, I have, you know, I 
like I said earlier, I'm the 

1819
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:14,200
director of content for kids 
nick.com. 

1820
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,800
So I have, you know, we have 
social media, we on Instagram 

1821
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,100
and Facebook, we have at 
ketogenic calm and then we have 

1822
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:24,500
our website, ketogenic.com. 
And then I also have a personal 

1823
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:28,400
page, which is the key to 
ologist, you know, I mostly just

1824
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,600
on Instagram for that one. 
So it's just at the cute 

1825
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,800
ologist. 
So, that's, that's pretty much 

1826
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,900
and, you know, on there there's 
I have access to my email. 

1827
01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:38,500
So I always tell people if you 
have questions or want. 

1828
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,100
To reach out about anything. 
You know, feel free to drop it 

1829
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:42,800
in there. 
I'm not always quickest to 

1830
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,400
respond. 
Well, you know, I'll try to get 

1831
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,100
to everybody's stuff as quick as
I can. 

1832
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,600
Awesome. 
Awesome. 

1833
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,300
I love it. 
Will Chris man. 

1834
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:51,100
Always a pleasure. 
Appreciate learn something every

1835
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,000
single time. 
Talk to you. 

1836
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:54,000
All right, well, thanks a lot 
for having me today. 

1837
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,700
Robert absolutely man, take 
care. 

1838
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,100
To reach out about anything. 
You know, feel free to drop it 

1839
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:42,800
in there. 
I'm not always quickest to 

1840
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,400
respond. 
Well, you know, I'll try to get 

1841
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,100
to everybody's stuff as quick as
I can. 

1842
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,600
Awesome. 
Awesome. 

1843
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,300
I love it. 
Will Chris man. 

1844
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:51,100
Always a pleasure. 
Appreciate learn something every

1845
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,000
single time. 
Talk to you. 

1846
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:54,000
All right, well, thanks a lot 
for having me today. 

1847
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,700
Robert absolutely man, take 
care.